The Confessionals - RELOADED | 82: Growling Inside The House

Episode Date: June 1, 2026

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Merkel Media I guess it's time to go back in time Are you telling me you built a time machine Head of a Dolorean Time is but a stubborn

illusion I have a lot of memories of the past People are time traveling within themselves Time travel Is possible This was all circulating

the base that a giant had to kill but no one was supposed to talk about it. I saw three long bony fingers reach up underneath the door, curl up to grab it, and then disappear. When he came over to me, dude, he slithered over to me. The giant comes out of the cave and they're all frozen. And he starts running and firing at this giant. With a giant moves, he's got a spear in one hand and he's. In one hand, and he's running really fast. And Spears, Dan, holds him up like this.

Somebody else, shoot him in the face, shoot him in the face. They basically decapitated. When he got about 15 yards away from me, I raised that 12 days, and I blow this head off. I feel something pulling at my leg. And I look over, and there are two small grip pulling it. Couldn't breathe, and it couldn't move, because I know I'm seeing. Okay, I reload it. Okay, tonight I have a great guest coming on. I have Amy. Amy, how are you doing?

Good. How are you doing? I'm doing great. I'm doing great. Every time I do a recording on a Saturday, I tend to have a little bit more energy because I'm not just coming home from a 12-hour work shift. So it's kind of nice. Definitely. You emailed me. Actually, it wasn't that long ago, actually. It was back in April. And you have quite a few experience here that you listed with UFOs. And you also have some more, you know, demonic haunting type story you'd like to share. And so let's just start off with the UFO sightings that you've had. Where were you? When this happened? And just kind of walk us into it. Sure. So the first time I saw anything, I was about 11 or 12. So this is like 94, 95.

And I can't remember if it was early spring or if it was like just transitioning into fall. But it was after school and I was playing, I was learning to play tennis and I was taking lessons at this place called Vic Braden's Tennis Academy. And this is down in Orange County, California and a gated community known as Cota de Casa. And at this point, I had been, I'd been playing for like a couple years and I was starting to get really good. I had like hit a new level. And my coach at the time, Roy, he noticed this. And so he was like, hey,

stay after class and we'll rally. And for people that don't play tennis rallies, basically you're just hitting the ball back and forth without a serve. And so we were doing that. And the way the courts were situated, this is like, so it's called tennis college,

and there's multiple tennis courts, there's a huge viewing deck. There was something that was like, you know, like the baseball practice things, they shoot the balls out at you and you hit them with the bat. They had something similar to that.

So this is like a tennis compound, really. And the court that we were on was just outside the like pro shop and this viewing deck. And my mom was on the viewing deck and the viewing deck like only went out like about halfway over the court. And so she was on the same side of the court as my coach Roy. So they were like both facing me. And I can't I think I'm pretty sure he hit the ball at me. But I didn't hit it because I was beyond the courts, there was all these trees and these trees back up to what's known as Tribuco Canyon. And I was waiting for the ball. And then all of a sudden, like, I see this huge light.

And it was like, it had to have been about as long as a football field. It was massive. It was maybe 15 feet tall. It was dead silent. it was totally stealthy. It didn't make any noise. And it was so smooth. Like it,

I mean, I know like when you see a plane in the sky, they look smooth too, but this looks so much smoother in terms of like how it was moving. And it was pretty close. Like the thing couldn't have been any farther than like 200 feet away. And it was massive. And like I just,

I was holding on to my racket and I could hear, I could hear my mom calling for me. And I could hear Roy. But I could not respond to them because I was just so wrapped up in what I was seeing. It was just this huge, long cylindrical light. Now, I was looking at it, and I couldn't, wouldn't be able to tell you, like, what the shape of it was. Like, sometimes people take pictures or they videotape, like, something that looks like a cigar. That was definitely the shape, but, like, whether it was a square, like, I was only seen the profile of it.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And it was like really, really bright. It was like white in the center. And it's like almost like looking at the sun. Like if you were to look at the sun for a second, it almost had that appearance. But it wasn't like radiating light. It was the light was like contained within this shape.

And it probably took like 10 seconds for the whole thing to pass. But I was just like, I was just staring at it. And they didn't know what was going on with me. My mom was like calling at me because she thought that I was like hyperventilating or like having a seizure or something like that. And I snapped to it and like I just remember my coach where I was like, well, that's enough for today. And I was just kind of stunned. Like I just didn't. I mean, I had heard of UFOs like I I've always been open minded.

My family's very open minded. At the time like I used to like that show sightings or whatever. But I was still stunned because I wasn't ever expecting to see anything like that. anyway, we got back in the car and my mom's like, what was going on with you? Are you okay? Are you sure you're okay? Blah, blah, blah. And I was like, yeah, I'm okay, but I saw this light, you know, and I told her about it.

And she was, you know, she believed me. She didn't doubt me. I mean, she saw it happening to me, you know? Like she saw what that I was, that something was going on, but she would have never, no one would ever be, oh, she must be looking at a UFO. She thought it was like dying or something. So we went home, and then later that night on the news, there had been people in Tustin, which was like, it's still a part of Orange County. It's just a town farther north. And this thing was traveling north. People in Tustin had seen some kind of light. And I find it really improbable that it would be a different, excuse me, a different one. Yeah. So, yeah, that's the first one.

And then it was, sorry. Yeah, let me ask you a question. When you saw this, you said it was 15 feet tall about that? Yeah, it must have been like 15 feet tall, but like 300 feet long. Gotcha. I mean, that's gigantic, you know? Yeah, it was huge. It was just this huge light.

It took up, like, pretty much, like, all my vision, you know, it was just there. And so nobody else said they saw it. I mean, your coach, he was after that, he's like, okay, I guess that's enough for today. Do you think that he saw anything, or do you think he was just like, okay, this girl's acting weird? No, it was behind them. Like, I was facing them. They were facing me. And this thing was behind.

So, like, behind the court that we were on was another court. then these trees, these like, I guess, I don't, oak trees maybe behind the courts and then the hills. And this thing was behind the trees. So they didn't, they wouldn't have been able to see it. But they saw me reacting to something, but they, you know, like, I'm sure he thought I was just tired because I had already practiced today. I don't know what he thought. But I'm assuming that's what he thought. Yeah.

Well, that's, I mean, that's, that's pretty fascinating. that's happened in the middle of the day and that it was, you said it was, it was light, but it wasn't admitting light, right? It was like kind of contained? Yeah, it's not like, um, like,

like, okay, so like the trees that are, that are like in front of it, right? There was no light cast onto the trees. It was self-contained. Like,

like it had like a, how do I describe this? It's kind of difficult to describe. I'm sure. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe like a glow stick or something. Like it's lit up, but it doesn't really emit light onto other things? Yeah, or like the swords and like Star Wars, more like that, like that, like where you see like the border, you see the border of the light and then the actual light on the inside.

But it wasn't emitting light. So it's not like raise or anything. Okay, gotcha. Well, I mean, welcome to the world, 11 or 12 year old girl. You know? Yeah. And that's just the beginning of some things, right? Yeah, absolutely.

Actually, like, most of the things that have happened have happened during the day. So, like, the next time I saw something was, like, years. This was, like, eight years ago. So I was, like, 27. So it was a huge gap. I was living in San Francisco at the time. I was living on Hate Street and Lion. And I was living with my friend.

I'm going to give her a different name. I was living with my friend Amanda. And I was like in the bath and she was out on the deck. I heard her like screaming bloody murder. I was like washing my hair. And so I was like, oh my God. Like I think someone's attacking her. So I like left out of the tub and I ran out there.

and I've got like soap in my hair and I'm I run out to her on the deck and she's pointing up in the sky and she's looking up and she's like what is that and I looked and it was just this this orb this blue orb really really high up in the atmosphere like like when you're out in the country and you're stargazing you see the sable lights you know it was like way up high like that okay but it was this perfect blue orb and it given the distance You know, this thing, this thing must have been huge. Now, to me, it looked like a blue orb, but I realized, like, I don't know, perhaps that could have been something metallic, but it was just sitting there. And we were, like, you know, watching the clouds go over it. And it would stay there, stayed stationary in the same spot. And then eventually some clouds passed and it was gone. So that was like the second time I saw something. the third time, this one to me is the most interesting because I haven't heard, actually, this is part of the reason why I wanted to share because I was thinking like maybe somebody else out there that listens to your show has seen something similar to this because I haven't ever heard anyone describe something like this.

So I was living in San Diego at the time and my dad lives in Scottsdale. So I was driving out to visit him. And this is like, I don't know, 10, 11 at night, something like that. And I got this feeling to look to my left, right? So I'm headed east. So I'm so you looking north. And in the northern direction, there's like this strand of dark blue lights, like royal blue

like really really blue and they're it's not like they're not like evenly spaced apart or anything like that but the way this thing is moving I want to say maybe it's like

30 feet long something like that and the like tail end of it would splay open and then shut and when it's shut it would project itself

forward it would like shoot forward It kind of reminded me of like a water bug or something when they spread the legs and then they squeeze them together and they shoot forward in the water. That's exactly how this was moving. And this, you know, I also didn't hear any noise and this like shot forward like several times and then it was just completely out of sight like maybe four or five times. So that was the third thing that I've seen. And this, that's the one that's at night. And then there's another one at night. But the next one that I saw, this was during the day.

This was broad daylight. This is on the flight path for the Phoenix International Airport. This was like four years ago. So I was attending Mesa Community College. And I had a science class in the morning. And between my science class and my science lab, there was a break. So typically, like, I would go to my car, I'd eat a snack. I'd fiddle around on my phone, whatever.

So I was sitting in my car and I'm, yeah, I get the feeling. I get the feeling to look out the window. So I look out my windshield and, you know, it's a really bright blue, like typical Arizona day. Sky is like sunny. There's no clouds, nothing. And I see this blue orb. And this blue orb is probably like 200 to 300 feet up in the air.

and then pretty close to me. So, like, meaning that, like, it was 200 to 300 feet off the air if you were to, like, step 20 feet in front of my car and then go straight up. So I'm watching this thing, and I'm like, wow, like, what is that? And it looks like perhaps it was the size of, like, if an average size person or to, or average size man were to, like, hunker down and get in the fetal position. position real tight to like do a cannonball on the pool. It's probably about that size. Okay. It's pretty large. But again, this is like a blue light. It's like a, like a, it's kind of like the white thing, the first light that I saw, but it's blue. Okay. And I'm watching it and I am out of my car at this point and then all of a sudden this other orb just appears. It just appears out of nothing.

and they continue to fly in like this southwestern trajectory. So like the thing about this is like, so later that day I had gone home, I was living with my dad at the time and I told him about it. He was like, well, maybe it was just an airplane or something. I'm like, no, because I, you know, Mesa is east of the Phoenix International Airport. So you see airplanes flying in and flying out all day long. Like it's really common sighting. I know what a plane is.

And then on top of that, Mesa Community College is right next door to a hospital. So there's these helicopters constantly going in and out and they make noise. You know, they've got some very distinctive features. That was not this. Plus, like, the other one just appeared out of nowhere. And, you know, these aren't like, I don't know, they didn't seem like craft, but yet they were intelligent because they were, you know, it's like they. the way they were flying, they were flying with intention. They were going somewhere. And I feel like they wanted to be seen because otherwise, why would you be appearing like that in like a really

busy metropolitan area, unless you wanted to be seen? Yeah. So like, so yeah, there's that. Also, if you want me to slow down, are you going to ask me questions? That's fine. No, go ahead. Continue. Okay. So that was that one. And then, And so later that same year, I decided to go to this meditation retreat in Hawaii to study this style of meditation known as the Pāsana. And at this retreat, it's basically silent, silent meditation for 10 days. Like you meditate all day. And I was like, cool, I'm going to do that. And my friend had also recently moved out to Hawaii to the big.

big island to, you know, buy a property and stuff. So I was like, cool, I'll see her too. So I'm there. And this is a, this is a retreat where like, they did have some housing on there, but they were like really primitive structures. But the majority of us were camping. Okay. So there was this main house on the property. And that's where the kitchen was. So like every, all the meditators, everybody there that's there for the sit, they eat there. you know, three times or twice a day. And then, you know, then nobody, none of the meditators have anything to do with that area. That's area is really more for the volunteers that keep the camp running.

So the women and the men are separated. So the women's camp, you know, we all had our tents set up under this, this tarp. Okay. And we're also in the jungle of this area of the Hawaiian island known as Pahoa. So it's just like, if everything's off the grid, you know, really dense, really lush, beautiful, beautiful place. There's also not, you don't have like street lights and stuff like that out there. There's really not a lot of light pollution on the island in general.

So one night, and I, like, I don't know, I feel like this is like several days in, you know, I was exhausted. Like you'd think that sitting and meditating is not exhausting. It's totally exhausting, especially if you've never done it before, and I had it. So every night at 930, when the day's meditations were all done, I would pass out and I'd get my sleep, you know. But this one night, so this is a rainforest and it rains a lot. And, you know, when it rains on a tarp, it's pretty loud. But I had, you know, grown accustomed to it now.

like it didn't bother me, but this one night, like, it was like somebody just cranked up the volume. You know, they turned it up to 11 and, and I just shot up out of bed. But when I shot up, you know, I was in this light and it was a really, really bright light. Like it looked like, like stadium lights, that kind of brightness. And I'm listening in like every person in my camp, like I hear snoring. you know, like nobody's, nobody's rustling around. Nobody appears to be awake, but there's this light. And I'm like, huh.

And then it dims out. And then like a minute later, it comes back on again. And I was thinking, like, that's really weird that they would put on, like the people that are running this meditation retreat that they would put on lights that bright, like in the middle of the night, like one o'clock in the morning or something. and so I was like okay that's that's weird and I was like trying to ignore it but it's just this light kept coming on and fading off fading on and fading off and I had a little camp clock and I started to like time it and these are not like it wasn't you know like you have a light on a timer so like okay it'll go off at this time and it's it's really regulated the way this the pattern is of that coming on and coming off was not at all regulated.

Like it was always approximately a minute in between, but it varied. You know, it'd be like, oh, this is like 46 seconds and now it's back on again. Or it's 54 seconds and then it's back on again. Or it's off again, whatever. And I just like, I don't know, I kept getting this feeling like something was outside and something wanted me to come outside. And it felt dark. This is the only time I've ever, like aside from,

like the hauntings and stuff, this is the only time I felt like if I had gone outside, that something would have happened to me. But not necessarily that whatever was outside was evil necessarily, but just that something would have happened to me that would have been foreign and scary. And so I did not go outside. And I eventually, eventually I got back to sleep. And so breakfast the next morning at like 6 a.m., I go to the kitchen window and I knock on it because,

so it's a silent retreat. You don't talk to other students that are studying with you, but you can talk to the people that are running it in case you need anything. So I knock on the door and I want to ask them about the light. And I really want to ask them about it more because I just want to like make myself feel better. Like nothing weird happened. So I was like, hey, I just, you know, I just wanted to see if maybe you guys could keep the light off that, you know,

was turned on last night in the middle of the middle of. night because it was so bright, I couldn't sleep. And the girl that had met me at the door twisted up her face, gave me like a weird look, and she just walked away. I was like, okay, that's a weird response. And then she came back and the manager was like, there's no light. There's no lights anywhere on the property. The only lights that are in the property are right here, like in this building. And the distance between the building and where our can't, camp was was like hundreds of feet apart. Plus there's like huge trees and bushes and flowers and stuff in between. So there's no light on this property. There's no light on the road. There's

there's no light anywhere on any of the surrounding properties. It's it's kind of primitive out there, you know? And I just like, I don't know, my heart kind of sank when I heard that because I was like, damn, like that something really was there. Like, something was there. So yeah, that was the last time that I, like, saw anything. I mean, that wasn't like a sighting, like,

out in the sky, but it was, I don't know, like, I guess on theme for what's happened with me, like these encounters with light in some form, you know? You know, with these UFO settings that you had, I want to ask you, it's usually one of the last questions I ask

people, and I want to ask you this right away. What are your thoughts on, what UFOs are to begin with? Oh, you know, it's kind of changed over time. It's actually changed recently. Actually, I kind of listening to like your show and like other shows out there. I used to think that these were crafts

that were made by other intelligence civilizations outside the planet. Okay. But, like, I started, you know, listening to other people's experiences and stuff where things would just appear out of nowhere. And, like, I've seen that before. And then, like, thinking about, okay, this is, like, interdimensional. And then I've heard things where it's, like, they're not light. They're not, like, beings from other planets. These are, like, demons. You know, this is, like, a spiritual thing. And that kind of got to me because I was like, well,

you know, it's true. Like, I never saw a craft. I've only ever seen light. You know, and like if, if, you know, Lucifer's the bearer of light, you know, I'm like, I don't know. Maybe that is what, maybe this is a spiritual thing and not an extraterrestrial thing. Or maybe it's both. I mean, I don't know. I don't know what they are.

All I know is that, you know, four out of the five times, I did not feel anything malevolent. It was, it was just fascinating. Like, like, I was, something inside me told me to look, something that, something inside me wanted me to experience this, you know, and then one time, it did feel malevolent, and so I didn't want to participate. So in that way, like, I do wonder if maybe it's spiritual, you know, and not, not the other thing. Yeah, and I've definitely heard that before with the whole spiritual aspect. And it's hard to wrap your mind around when it comes to this kind of stuff because, you know, if it's spiritual, how does that even work? You know what I mean? Because it's just so, it's so like different. And, you know, the fact that, you know, you said that

the four out of the five times, you didn't feel afraid or anything like that. And like you said, I mean, it might be both. Maybe there are UFOs that come from other galaxies or something like that. and that's real. And maybe it is also a spiritual thing, too. When you saw the stream, I think you called them, they're blue lights. They're like a stream of blue lights. Yeah.

Those lights that you saw, was it like one straight line of lights and then at the end it kind of spread out? Is that how you described it? Yeah. It was like, it's just a line. But then if you, like, if you were to like split a hair, you know, the tail end, I guess the back end that was closer to me would open, but not curl. You know, it would just open. There was like a slight bend to the arc, and then it would snap and it would

shoot forward. Would you think that, all right, so, you know, we talked about being extraterrestrial. It talked about being spiritual. What about organic? When you describe what you're telling me, to me, it seems like it almost has its own, I don't know, motions, the motions it has is almost like it's in charge of itself, almost like, like you said, like a water, what'd you say? It was like a water spider or something like that way it shoots itself. Like a water, yeah, like a water, yeah. Yeah. And so like, and I don't know.

I mean, it's, you know, honestly, like, I think anything's possible. Like, I've always, I've always had an open mind about all kinds of stuff like this because I feel like so many people report on it. Like, it has to be real. Not everybody's a liar. Right. And, like, but within that, we still don't know. Like, those of us that know that stuff exists, we still don't know what it is.

So, like, to me, it's totally open for interpretation. It could be. I mean, heck, everything that I encountered could be, you know, a living organic entity, I guess. I don't know. I really don't know. Like, I definitely always got the sense that this was intelligent. Like, every single one of them, I felt intelligent. There's some there's some kind of force behind it, you know, and, you know, intelligence, I believe has a spiritual basis, and I also believe it has, you know, an organic basis as well, or expression, you know, so maybe, maybe what I saw was just the, um, the spiritual, like, I don't know, I guess I think I get, I feel like, yeah, it's, it's intelligent. I don't know.

if it's a living entity or what. Okay. I wish I could answer that. Yeah, no, it's fine. We're just hypothesizing here. Sure. But, you know, that whole experience you had with that, you know, organic-looking stream of lights, did it just disappear or did it just move off out of the distance?

How did that whole situation end? So it just kept progressing forward until I couldn't see it anymore. Okay. And it was like within five. like bursts it was gone and it was like you know go it progressing like a long

it was headed east you know because the highway highway 8 runs east west so it was just like shoot shoot shoot shoot done so it moved pretty fast it did yeah it was yeah wait wait wait you know

I was traveling probably like 80 miles an hour and it was like it schooled me like in a matter of seconds So, yeah. Wow. So, yeah, I was picturing it moving slower. For some reason, I was thinking that it was slow moving through the sky.

That's really interesting. I wonder if anybody's ever seen anything like that. That's really interesting. I don't know. That was my first inclination. I was like, I should like, I should contact that show. Because I kind of wanted to see if like anybody had ever said that. Because, yeah, it was, it was really, it was really weird, unique experience.

Absolutely. It was unique even in terms of what I've encountered, so. Yeah. Well, before we move on to the more haunting demonic experiences that you had, you mentioned that you were in Hawaii and you were on a type of meditation, you know, retreat. And you said that you weren't used to meditating and you were exhausted after the first day. And I'm just curiosities, you know, getting to me. What about meditation exhausted you on the first day? Because, I mean, my assumption was meditation's relaxing.

It's chill. But what about it that puts you in a state of mind where it just takes so much energy? Oh, it takes a lot of energy. So I had gone out there. I found the PASNA because I watched a movie called Dahma Brothers, which is basically these violent inmates were. exposed to this style of meditation and they healed, you know, they became remorseful for the things that they had done. They had their lives improved dramatically, even though they were still in prison.

And it was very effective. And I was like, wow, if it was effective for them, it'll be effective for me. Because I've had, I've had depression, actually, since I was around 11. I've had really, really severe depression. And so I was kind of desperate at this point. I wanted to go and try it. And to sit at home and sit for five minutes to an hour in meditation, that's one thing. But this is you go for 10 days and you become a monk. You eat twice a day. There's no talking. You meditate basically from 4.30 in the morning until 9.30 at night with those two breaks.

And, you know, when you're alone in your car or just with yourself in general, you're aware that you're thinking, you're aware that your mind is always going, okay? But when you're in that environment, the silence is deafening and that the voice in your head, the thoughts, it becomes so loud and you're trying to focus and you become, you become acquainted with what's known in the meditation community as the monkey mind. It's just always going, going, going, going, going, and you just keep trying to bring it back to your breath. to keep trying to bring it back to this sensation.

And it's just trying to to calm the mind, trying to get accomplished what you're trying to accomplish can be exhausting, especially if you have never done it before. And I had gone from never meditating, nada, to meditating for 10 days, you know, over 12 hours a day. Wow. You know, plus like you're sitting there and your body gets like, you have pain, you know, you have, you're not used to sitting.

for 16 hours a day on the ground with your legs crossed. So you're like the back hurts. Like it's an intense experience. You're learning a new type of mental exercise. That's essentially what it is. It's just mental exercise. So it's, you wouldn't think that it would be.

I mean, maybe other people don't experience it that way. But for me, I was like, yeah, at 9.30, I was like out. Just done. I'm sure.

I'm absolutely sure. I mean, once you said, sitting cross-legged on a hard ground for that long. Yep, that's exhausting to me. I got a horrible back. And if I sat cross-legged on my couch for 30 minutes, I'd have some severe pain. And to do that for that long, holy cow, yeah. Now, let me ask you this question. I know this is off topic, but we'll get back to the show in a second here. But I want to ask you this question with meditating like that, is it tiring in the sense that did you have a hard time not falling asleep? Because I think I would.

Oh yeah, no, definitely. There were, it was, yeah. There's, so, yeah, it's interesting. Like, I think, I think everybody should, should do these courses because they're free and it has nothing to do with religion. People have all religions come and they practice this, the style of meditation. But it is a mental exercise and it's funny, like, when you, as the observer, okay, as the observer of the person that is thinking all of the things. So there's the separation. It's like becoming acquainted with your soul.

Okay, and you're now looking out at the activity of your brain from your soul's perspective. Your brain will start doing all kinds of things to make you stop. It's like it'll make you tired. You'll start getting cravings for things. You'll, you know, you'll start really battling with the pain in your back or wherever it's going on in your body. Or you'll start itching everywhere. Like there's your brain will come up with all these distractions. you know, so that's just, that's just part of it, actually.

Like, even when the 10 days were over, when you finally get to talk to the other meditators, you find out that, man, we're all so much alike. Everybody goes through the same thing. Everybody's mind was driving them crazy. You know what I mean? They're just trying to learn this new technique. So, yeah. Yeah.

So that answers your question? Absolutely. Absolutely. The other day I was driving my truck and I was kind of thinking about similar things. I was thinking myself, I wonder what it would be. like if I took a week off from work, like a vacation week, and I went away by myself, you know, up into the mountains, you know, in a cabin, no, no TV, nothing, just me in the woods. I wonder what it would be like, you know, mentally for me, because I move so fast and I have, I do so much stuff.

And it's just constantly movement for me that I wonder what it would feel like anymore, just slowing down to the point where I have literally nothing to do for seven days. straight and it's just me by myself and my thoughts. And it actually terrified me. It actually terrified me to think that I'd be alone by myself that long and I'd actually have time to think about my actual thoughts. And it's like that's kind of scary to think about when you're so used to going through the motions of day in and day out, run, run, run, run, run for 20 hours a day, get four hours of sleep half the time and you're back at it again. And, you know, it's, it's, yeah, Anyways.

Yeah. No, it's true. It's really, it's an interesting. I think, I think, you know, like if you were to do that, I'd highly recommend going to some kind of meditation retreat because it gives you the discipline. There's a discipline in examining those thoughts. Let's keep it moving here. You've had these haunting experiences and it's pretty fascinating. So why don't just walk us into how this whole thing.

started for you. And this is, all these happened, did all these happen after the UFOs? Or they kind of overlap each other? They, they do overlap. Okay. So all of this kind of started out at my grandmother's ranch from my grandparents ranch when I was a kid. So this is in, um, this is in an area of Arizona called Paloma, Arizona. And they had a ranch. It's like 60 acre ranch and they had multiple buildings and I loved it there. There were tons of animals. There were peacocks and donkey and ducks and cats and dogs and just tons of life. And in the main house, you know, there was like a long, it's like basically a long rectangle. And the kitchen and the dining room are kind of in the front half, like where you would enter the

house and then there was this tiny little room that we called the ante room. I don't know why it was called that. That's just what it was called. And there was a doorway. And once you pass that doorway, you would open up into this long hallway and all the bedrooms were off this hallway in the living room and whatnot. And at the very end of the hallway was a bathroom. And that door was always kept shut because there were some cats that couldn't go outside and, you know, some animals that didn't get along with each other. So it was just a way to cord in the box. So that door was always shut. When I was a kid, though, like I, I loved this place. Everything about this place felt great, except the end of that hallway. Anytime I had to go in there by myself, I just,

like, dreaded it. That was something that always stayed with me up until the property finally was sold to another family. So, flash, like, and also I'll mention this. Like, when I was a kid, Like I had heard stories about, you know, there was, there was a period of time in the 70s. And I think it was, this was a popular thing back in the 70s where people were like experimenting with the occult, like at parties and stuff like that. Well, my grandparents, I guess, had, you know, developed a curiosity for it. And they had, they had like Ouija boards. My grandpa had a crystal ball. And I guess during this time, my grandmother started experimenting with something called automatic writing.

Do you know what that is? Yeah, I know what that is. It's like when you, it's like when you kind of go into an alter state of mind and you're, and you actually write something out, right? Yeah, or like something comes through you and writes it out. So apparently the story goes, and I actually later confirmed this with my grandmother when she was so alive. She actually did do that. And it freaked my grandfather out because it was actually fruitful. And she had in like some really old school like like Gothic style writing had basically predicted what's happening in the Middle East. now. Wow. And it freaks my grandpa out. He crumpled up the paper and like basically threw it out. The crystal ball and the, the Ouija board ended up in another building on the property that

was the library, basically, had all their books. So that's, I feel like everything that I encountered was because of this, what had happened with them, years ago. Um, so when my grandmother passed away, um, maybe five years ago, something like that, six years ago. And, um, my mom was basically, she had prepared the property. So the property went from my, my grandmother to my mom and her sister. And I, I told you before, like, my, um, my mom didn't want. anyone to get hurt because there's a lot of hunters that will just like cross through people's

properties out in out in Arizona. So hunting quail or whatever. And she she was always afraid of a lawsuit that if someone were to like break in on the property or someone to walk across the property and there were all these bushes around, you know, that a snake would get them and bite them or whatever and then they'd sue her. So she she went in after my grandmother passed away and basically ripped out, you know, all the vegetation. Everything was just gone. So it's just like It looks like a dead place. And so at the time that I go out there where this story kind of initiates, I was with my boyfriend at the time, his name was Drew.

We were going to go to this sensory awareness workshop, which is, I guess, kind of a meditation technique onto itself. It was for him. And it was in Tucson, but I was like, well, we were living in. San Diego. I was like, well, let's, let's go, but I'll take you to my grandmother's ranch. We'll swing by Scottsdale, see my dad, and then we'll go to your thing. And so we drove out there. And, you know, the last time I had seen the ranch, you know, there were trees and animals and, you know, it was teeming with life. Well, when we got there, everything was ripped out. And it was just like this dead place. And it just had a bad feeling. And but regardless, I was, I was just

like, oh, it's just because the plants are gone. And anyway, so we got on the property. And when you first get on the property, the way the road is laid out, it's like an L, capital, capital letter L that's been tipped over on its side. So on the right hand side, there's what was called the block house, just like this little square house. There was, and then to your left, there's a long house where workers used to live. Then you make the right turn. And there's the library, what was like grandfather's office, and then the main house. So we drive, we park at the gate, we start walking.

And I'm just kind of showing him, this is the blockhouse, blah, blah, blah, this is where this happened, et cetera. We get to the main house, and the curtains are drawn, everything's locked up. I wasn't talking to my mom at the time. I didn't have a key or anything, but I just wanted to give him kind of an outdoor tour. So we get to the area where the kitchen was, and that's on like the short end of the house, meaning that it's a rectangle, so it's on the short, short end. I'm like, this is the dining room.

This is the kitchen where my grandmother was. And so behind the main house is like another house. So we turn the corner and we're between the two buildings. And so, sorry, I hope I'm explaining this right. Just beyond the kitchen and the ante room, the first door on the left was my grandmother's room. So on the long side of the house, it would. be the kitchen and then my grandmother's room. And so we turned that right corner and I'm like, this is where my grandmother slept and like we're taking a couple steps forward and then we just

stop. Like we both stopped for absolutely no reason. I don't even know why I stopped, but it was like we just stopped. Like we hit a wall. And then that second, the window, my grandmother's window, and I know the sound of this window. I've opened it a million times in my life. It just shot open. And I heard the grading of the metal. And then I heard this like really guttural snarl. It was deep and nasty and it was not an animal. It was not a person. You know, everything was clear in my field of vision.

This is not, you know, it was coming from inside the house, but the house was locked up and alarmed. Well, we're just like silent. And all of a sudden I felt like this is territorial. I need to say right now that this is my place. So I like puffed up in response. And I was like, this is where my grandmother slept. This is where my grandfather stored the work boots for the men that worked out here.

I was trying to verbally claim the territory that I wasn't a trespasser, that this was somehow affiliated with me. This is my place. because whatever it was, it felt like it was telling me that it was its place. So at this point, though, like, I'm puffed up, but I'm like, what am I dealing with in my head? So I start kind of backing away. I'm still talking, still talking to Drew, and I start leading him back off the property. And he kept, like, kind of lagging behind me and peeking his head back as he was trying to,

to see something. And I was like, okay. And so we just kept moving him out. And we finally got into the car and we closed the doors. And I look at him and I'm like, did you hear that? And he was like, yeah, I heard that. And I was like, see you like, you know, you heard that like snarl at ground. He was like, no, that's not what I heard.

I heard like a horse whinny and like the expulsion of the air, like the, that kind of thing. So we both heard something. We both heard something entirely different than the other. person did. But we both felt it. Like, you know, we continue to talk about it after this. So anyway, we leave there. We go to stop by my dad's place. It was like a surprise thing, so he wasn't there. And we had headed on down to Tucson. So I was in the hotel room and Drew is, you know, doing his workshop. And luckily, the woman that was running the workshop, you know, told him like, oh, you know, she doesn't have to pay for it. Just let her come on down.

not locked up in the hotel room all week. I was really grateful for that because the whole time I was in the hotel room, I got the same exact feeling that I did whenever I was in my grandparents' house and I was faced with that hallway because it always felt like something was watching me from the end of that hallway. And when I was in this hotel room, I felt that same feeling like something was just staring at me. And it wasn't, you know, it was just like this like a dark feeling, like looking at me with bad intentions kind of thing. And so, you know, that whole week ended. We ended up going back to our apartment in San Diego.

And like, you know, stuff like really hit the fan at this point. And then, honestly, to backtrack a little bit, like, when my grandmother was passing away, my mom was taking care of her. She had dementia. And so my mom had moved out there to take care of her and everything. Well, you know, there were several buildings full of like furniture and stuff like that. And this is before I was dating Drew. So, you know, I was living alone. And my mom was like, hey, you know, if you want any furniture or anything, just like feel free to come out and get it.

I made several trips to go out there. I helped take care of my grandmother on the weekends and stuff like that. So I ended up coming back at one point with like a dresser. And I had my grandfather's watch. and then just like some other random things in the ranch. So before that visit with Drew, I had some haunting things that had happened with what I had brought back. So the dresser,

I always kept my grandfather's watch on the dresser. Well, as soon as I brought that into the house, every night at about 3 a.m. And it was never like 3 a.m. 3 a.m. was like 301, 302, 303, something like that. was around 3 a.m. That I would wake up to the sound of a clock. I did not have, I didn't have a clock in the house.

All I had was that watch and my cell phone. The watch, however, was dead. There's no battery in it. But what was really weird to me is that the sound that I heard of this clock was actually the exact sound of the clock that sat next to my grandmother's bed, this old white plastic clock that glowed orange in the dark

and it just had this particular plastic-y kind of sound as it would tick along. Well, that sound was coming from my dresser where my grandfather's watch was. But the thing was dead. There was no battery in it. It was impossible for it to be making any sound.

But sure enough, every night, 3 a.m., I'd wake up to this ticking sound. So eventually I actually had to get rid of that stuff. I just gave it to the Salvation Army because I didn't want it anymore. And as soon as I did that, that activity stopped. So going forward again, after I had returned from Tucson with Drew, like, first of all, I don't think we were ever supposed to be together. So it's fine that we broke up. but I think things really took a negative turn as soon as we came back.

Like things just got really dark between us and just weird stuff was happening in the house. I was waking up with like severe. And I didn't think about this until years later. I didn't like put it together. I mean, I've always bruised easy. But like the backs of my legs just looked like somebody had just taken a bat to them. Like I was bruised up and down. It's just like I was painted with bruises.

And that happened several times. And, you know, we were always trying to figure out, like, what it was. And I was just like, I don't know. Maybe it's like we've been going to the beach. Maybe it's the waves, like crashing on me. I don't know. So that was one thing. Another thing that happened was I woke up one morning and I walked into my living room.

And there were like hundreds of flies on the wall. out. I always, you know, there were screens on the windows and I keep the windows shut at night. So I have no idea how hundreds of flies would have gotten in the apartment. But this was the other weird thing is that they weren't like flying around. They weren't moving. They were still. And they were just sitting there all over the wall. And I like walked out in the living room and my heart and my stomach just sank in my body. And I was just like, oh my God, like what am I dealing with here? And so I, you know, Went to the store. I lived right next door to an Albertsons, walked over there, grabbed a canterade, and I proceeded to kill them all. But that was, that was, like, really strange to me. That was, like, an omen.

There was another time that Drew and I were, like, sitting on a couch. And the way our apartment was situated is, like, where we were sitting on the couch, we were looking out the front window. And out the front window, you would be able to see anybody that was walking up to the apartments. We were on a second story. And so we're sitting there and we're like talking about like getting some ice cream or whatever. And all of a sudden there's this knock knock knock knock dot dot dot right on the window right in front of us. And there's nobody there.

There's no one there whatsoever. And I was just like, okay, you go get ice cream. I'm going to jump online and try to figure out how to deal with this stuff. Because that wasn't the only thing that was happening. Like, we had a cat at the time, Mr. Paws, and he was a really good kitty. Like, some cats, like, they're up all night and they're, you know, they meow a lot. He cuddled with me every night. And there were several nights, though, that I would wake up to him yelling at the front door,

not moving, just looking at the front door and doing the same repetitive meow over and over and over again. Meow, meow, meow, like just, and I couldn't get him to stop. there was also something else that kept happening where I would be like in the bathroom, getting ready for work or whatever, and I would see like this shadow critter out of the corner of my eye leaping and bounding around in the apartment. And when this started happening, I just thought, oh, the cat is jumping up on the couch or whatever. But I would turn and look.

No cat there. And then I'd go into my bedroom, cat found to sleep on the bed. But what I was seeing was like, and the reason why I thought it was a cat was because I saw like hindquarters and a tail, like a really sharp tail though. And it was black and shadowy. But I never saw the front end or the head. I always saw the back end of this thing, like jumping around on stuff. there was another night where Drew and I, we had a really bad argument, and I got this really dark feeling. I just thought, like, if I stay here, I'm going to get hurt.

So I got a bag together, and I told them I'm going to go stay at my friend of Legger's house. And so I drove over to my friend of Leger's house, and I stayed the night there. And I had a really hard time getting to sleep that night because I was sleeping on her couch. I was laying there and I couldn't sleep because I just felt like something was staring at me that same really familiar feeling

and eventually when I did go back home Drew was like I kind of told him like yeah like I couldn't sleep I told him why and he was like he was like yeah well when you left that night

Mr. Paz and I watched this shadow figure walk after you Wow and yeah just like um so eventually like eventually we let up i ended up i needed to like recollect myself and my life and so i moved out to my my dad's place like get back in school and stuff like that um and i had not like i'm a christian now but i had not yet become a christian um but i had started using the lord's prayer and i had started calling out to um to jesus and the

the Archangel Michael. I'd read somewhere a long time ago that Michael is the protector of Rachel in the Bible or something. So I had started doing that and I did notice that there was a dissipation of activity. I had also put salt in the windows, particularly after the knocking incident, put salt in the windows and stuff like that. And that seemed to help a little bit. But then I moved. So I brought my cat out to my dad. and things had really subsided at that point.

But there were still, like, I feel like some remnant energy. And also, I should say, like, the night before I left, I said, I told whatever it was that was there, like, you can't follow me. You have to stay here. So I don't know if that was something that helped. I'm not really sure what helped. But anyway, I met at my dad's house. I still have some of the items from my grandparents' place. Like, I have some paintings that my grandmother had done.

and I had the one of them up next to my bed and that thing would rattle. It would rattle on the wall. Like no fan, no air conditioner going. It would just start rattling. That creeped me out. And I lived with that for actually a couple years until I had a, I was a Pilates instructor and one of my clients was a Catholic and she had referred me to. this priest. And he had given me, I don't know what it is, but I'm not Catholic, but it's like a, it looks

like a ribbon and it has the cross stitched on it. And he kept it, it was maybe like a couple feet long. He had it folded up in his Bible, like a Bible strap or something. I don't, I don't know what it's called. But anyway, it was this blessed item. So he gave it to me and he said, you know, put this, put this on whatever's disturbing you in your home. And if it doesn't go away, then we'll, you know, we'll take other measures, but just put this in your home, put it on, put it on whatever the object is until the problem ceases. So I kept it for about a week and it turned off it stopped. But another weird thing that happened there was when I moved out there, I had a MacBook Pro and I was starting school and it was, it was too old to like

accommodate a lot of the software that I had to use for my program. So I had to get a new computer. So I had a brand new MacBook Pro. And these things work perfect, you know? Yes, I do. And I was, it was late at night and I was like watching some video and a commercial came on and I hate commercials. So I put it on mute. So I put it on mute and then my computer kisses at me like like that. And I was like, oh my goodness. Like what I'm I'm going to do. So that was probably, that was like the creepiest thing that happened at my dad's. And then I did, I did awaken one night to knocking at my door. And I had asked my dad if he had ever had anything like that happened. And he said he did, but he said, he just excused it,

like, oh, I was just, you know, probably just dreaming or whatever. And, and then he also had said something like, well, I think if you talk about these things that you're, you're inviting more of it in. You know? So I was like, oh, I don't know. But possibly maybe that's why stuff happens to me all the time. So that's that kind of period of time. I've had other things happen like a long time ago.

I was listening to Coast to Coast. And there was a gentleman on there who wrote a book called Adventures Beyond the Body, the out of body experience book. And he basically spells out like how to do it. And he had received all this benefit from doing it. And I was like, oh, that sounds cool. Like, I'd like to do that. So I followed his, I followed his teaching, which is basically like every night you say, before bed, you say a mantra, like, I'm out of my body.

That's it. And then you go to sleep. And within 30 days, it'll happen. Well, it's true. That's all it takes. And I did that. And it was the, I forget what year it was, but it was the year that the movie Monster came out. And the reason why I remember that is because the night that it happened, um, I was.

I went to see that movie with my friend Matt. And so I came back from that movie, and it's nighttime, and I go to sleep. And I say, this time I say, I'm out of my body. Now I'm out of my body. Now I'm getting help getting out of my body. Okay. So as I'm falling asleep, I felt like, if you hold your hand up to somebody else's hand, but there's a space, you can still feel the heat of the hand, you know?

Right. And it felt like the heat of hands going in circles above my chest this night when I saw asleep. So I wake up, and this is why I know this is not a night terror. Okay. I had never had night terrors anyway, but this is not a night terror because I got up at one o'clock in the morning. I'm totally awake.

I sit up. I roll over. And as I roll over, in my head, I was like, oh, God, it's happening now. And so one of the things that he describes in the book is this phenomenon where it's like your soul is separating from matter and that you feel this like really intense vibration. Well, that's no joke. That's exactly what I felt. And it was overwhelming. But I, so I'm, I'm totally awake. I've rolled over and I'm just feeling these waves of the most intense vibrations. I've never felt anything like it in my life. And it was, it was like, these waves, it was like I had invited something to help me. I don't know what that is. You know, I wasn't specific and I, you know, kind of learned my lesson. Whatever it was, it did not feel benevolent at all. It felt like it kept trying to force me out of my body. And I just was like

trying with all my strength to call for my father down the hall and then you know eventually in this this took minutes and that's a long time when you really want something to be over um i finally got it off of me but i i'll tell you this like even to this day it never happens at night but it to this day sometimes when i take a nap i'll feel that again and actually this is kind of funny um my So my dear one, my love Colin, like he does not like to wake me up because I'm not somebody that should be awakened ever. Like I really like my sleep. And one time I was like I was napping and he was like playing a video game or whatever on his phone. And I felt it.

And again, this is like another situation where it's like all my strength. And I was like, help me. help me and he looked at me and he looked away and started playing his video again because he didn't want to he didn't want to bother making me up so

I kind of lived through that one yeah so like that happened and then Colin and I lived in Flagstaff Arizona for a while before we moved up here to Washington and we lived down the hill from this

observatory. I forget what it's called, but it's like, it's a Catholic observatory. I think it's the only one in northern Arizona. And it's a really beautiful campus, this forested woods or whatever. And so we'd leave our apartment and we had a dog at the time and we'd walk her up the path and we'd go to this observatory. We'd just go to the nature around it. Anyway, we'd always pass this neighborhood. And I always just got a dark feeling. I just didn't like it. And we were walking back one day.

And I told them, I was like, I just feel like somebody yelling at me. Like, every time I come by here, I feel like someone shouting at me. Like, they want something. And the person that I always imagined was like an average, like, five foot 10 male, it's kind of bulky and shaved blonde hair and like blue eyes. and we had found out that there was a cop that was actually gunned down in that spot. There was actually a memorial for him. And I, so we came home from this walk and I just wanted to draw, I just wanted to draw up this person.

And I looked up who that guy was. And that's the person that I drew was that man. And I feel like he was just, once I figured out like that's that person, I was like, he's really upset about how he died. He wants somebody to know what happened to him. You know? There was another time in that house in that apartment where we were lying there before going to sleep and Colin was like, do you feel that?

And all of a sudden, like on my face was just ice cold and I could not get it off. And I was like, yeah, I can't get it off. And I like waved my hand and then it was gone. there was another time this this one i really i felt really violated when i heard about it um i was sleeping and colin can be kind of a night owl so he was not doing whatever he was doing and um he picks up on things that i don't pick up on like i think i'm i'm pretty sensitive but he's he's sensitive in another way you know and um he sees like i don't really see stuff i don't see like spirits.

I kind of saw a shadow critter, but I don't, you know, like some people see apparitions. Like, I think he'd be the person that sees apparitions. I don't. And I think that's because God knows that I would really scare me. I just don't want to see it. But anyway, this night,

like, there's this, there was this, like, black like, like, cloud. There was something up on the ceiling. And Colin had, um, the, uh, what's it called, um, you know they're like you get you get the apps on your phone where you can like communicate with the spirits or whatever like the eVP recorders kind of thing yeah so he had something like that and he was uh he was like asking it um you know what are your intentions here and all of a sudden i out of my mouth comes i'm here for the sole for the sole purpose of helping you said that yeah I was asleep though.

Like he asked this question and then that was the answer that came. Direct response to him, but through me. Yeah, that felt really creepy. Like that made me feel violated because I was like, I'm not open. I'm not open to this. Like, you know, and I'm, and even now, like, in my life, like, I'm really trying to, like, I, you know, I pray every day. Like, I, I'm trying to build this relationship with my Lord, you know. So, yeah, like, I don't know.

This is pretty much everything that's happened to me. Wow. And hopefully it's over. I started, so I found your show through like Fastwatch Chronicles. Okay. And now that I'm in the Pacific Northwest, I'm like, well, considering everything else that's happened to me, like, I bet. Like, I'm sure, like, I'll probably see a fastwatch too. Like, that's probably just my lot in life, but I hope not.

Well, if you do, I'll be envious. because that's something I would love to see one day. Yeah. But, you know, with all those paranormal experiences that you had and stuff, and you mentioned in the beginning when you first started telling these stories about your grandparents, do you think that maybe you are, I don't want to say haunted, but maybe like a family curse or something like that? I don't know.

Oh, there's one more thing I had to tell you. This actually wasn't my experience with my mom, so it has to do with the ranch. Okay. Do you want me to tell you? Yeah, go ahead. Okay, so my mom, well, actually, so like the way my grandmother passed away,

like she ended up in hospice, but my mom was living out there with her. She, my grandmother was at the end of the hallway that I didn't like. She was in the bedroom off there. My mom was in her bedroom, and my mom woke up at like 3 o'clock in the morning, the sound of my grandmother's screaming, and all the furniture in my grandmother's room was, like, turned over.

My grandmother was little and feeble, and there was no way she could like lift. I could barely lift some of the dressers that were in that room. And I was young and able, you know. And she had been tossed out of the bed. And then quickly her health, like, just went kaput. She was in hospice and then she passed away. After my grandma, after my mom had, like, clean up all the property.

My mom is on the more paranoid side. So she locks every window. She closes every blind. She is habitual about this kind of stuff. So she told me, like, after the stuff had happened with Drew, I called my mom finally. We hadn't been talking. I called her and I was like,

and I found out you know, what happened out there is it really creep me out. She was like, the day that I left that place, and I'll never go back, is that I had cleaned and closed the blinds and locked all the windows. I alarmed the house,

and then I left. When I got into my car, because our car was facing the living room, she said the blinds were up, like someone was looking at me. I had just closed them. and they were all the way up. Wow.

Totally open. And so I think that everybody's, I think everybody's sensitive. I think there are some people that just don't want to, that they want to close their mind. And then there's people that have an open mind. And I think that's really what the difference is. I do think that my grandparents, whatever they were experimenting with,

I think that kind of unleashed havoc in people's lives that were there that were open-minded. You know, because I don't think my mom's haunted to this day. I don't feel like I'm haunted right now, you know. I feel like I've kind of spent some time battling this stuff, but I don't know if it's a lineage thing. I don't think so. I think everybody has it. I just think some people want to be shut off to it, and some people don't.

Yeah. Well, absolutely. I agree with you. and there's a lot of things that go on that people just, they either don't want to acknowledge it or they're, they acknowledge it, but they're scared to contemplate about it. And this kind of stuff is,

it's deep, it's really deep. And it's hard to kind of wrap your mind around. That's why we talk about these things, you know? Mm-hmm. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, it feels nice to share it to you. And I'm really grateful for your program, too,

because, like, you know, I always felt kind of weirded out that, like, I had all of these experiences, these different experiences, you know, like, if you, like, watch TV or whatever, it's like, this person saw a UFO once and this person had a haunting here, but it's not like this throughout their whole life, but, like, being familiar with your program, like, I realize this was sexually really common that people have a lot of experiences in their lifetime. Yeah. You know, multiple occasions, different things.

Exactly. And that's why I conduct the show the way I conducted, because I'm, I'm, you know, I'm not a stranger to the idea of people having multiple experiences throughout their life. And you're always going to have people out there that, you know, they're like, how can one person have so many experiences? Well, people do. And there could be reasons for that. It may not just be that they were in the right place of the right time so many times,

but maybe that they actually, there's something to do with them personally that leads to these experiences. There's so many questions and there's so many baffling things to think about when it comes of these types of events that there shouldn't be anything left off the table. And that's why I do the show the way I do it. That's why I don't limit the person that comes on. I let them share exactly what they want to share because I think that is what helps a lot of other people kind of make sense of what they experience because, you know, I've seen it myself. So many times throughout online community and stuff, you know, people are like, oh, how can one person have so many experiences? But yet they do.

But it's funny because sometimes I was in some kind of forum. I forget where it was. This is a while ago. But they were talking about this very thing. And they said about people having all these paranormal experiences and all this different types of stuff. But the very person that was complaining about it went on to talk about how they had a lot of miraculous things happen in their life.

And I'm like, well, why is it any different that you can have miraculous things happen in your life where you saw angels and your body was healed? and there's a couple other things, yet somebody who has hauntings in their life and maybe something that's not as happy go lucky as miracles in their life, they can't, that they can't be telling the truth. And so it's one of those things where it's frustrating for me sometimes to deal with, but I won't ever change the way I do the show because that's, there's so many people out there that have those kind of experiences where they're one after another. And it's like they need to be able to have an outlet. Yeah, sure. Totally.

And, yeah, actually, so the way I found, the way I came to God or came to a Christian was Colin and I were at this church in New Mexico. I forget what it's called. It's like a really famous, it's a really famous church. There's actually two on the complex, and it's known because the Spaniards, when they came here as conquistadors, they had gone through this area and they had found a cross. they had picked it up. They had gone on their way. And when they came back, there was a cross there again. So they built this church. And this church is known to, like, heal the sick. So like when you go to this church, there's all these like leg braces and stuff on the side of the wall. And there's all these pictures of kids that, you know, people are praying for healing and everything. But we went into this church or I went into this church and he was like walking the dog. And I was looking at Mary. The statue, it's like a regular like side of the road, you know, the ceramics shop that is. And I was looking at Mary the statue. It's like a regular like side of the road. You know, the ceramics shop that is. see on the side of the road, like on the highway, and they've got like the guy leaning up against a burrow or like a cactus, and then there's the statue of Mary. This was a regular, typical, painted ceramic statue of Mary, and someone had shoved a plastic bouquet of roses in her

arms. And the way the light was coming in through the front doors of the church, it was casting the shadow, but the shadow it was casting was the exact profile of Christ with the crown of thorns. and I, like, jumped up. I ran and got call, and I was like, you have to come see this. But somebody else has to see this. It can't just be me. And that was kind of like what, what led me to Christ was that moment. Because I was like, that's impossible.

Well, yeah, it's like, first of all, I always felt really connected to God. And, like, you know, and I've had all these experiences, like, you know, like, I really truly feel like I encountered a demon. And I feel like if I encountered a demon, then the opposite is also true. you know and then when I saw that like the shadow of Christ from Mary which is a whole poetic thing in it in and of itself like sure you know it's just like okay that's what that's what I'm supposed to do I am so I was I was born and I am meant to be a Christian and you know there's a reason why like when you call call to him in times of darkness or you're being

haunted there's a reason why that works and so I just finally decided to trust it and and so that's why I became this way. But yeah, like, I think that, like, people, I hope that people become more open-minded and people that are open that encounter these things that, you know, that they'll also become, like, open to Christ because if you are haunted, like, trust in him and it will go away. And there's a reason why it works. Yeah. That's what I would say. It's really cool to hear that. I mean, you know, people have these different stories of how they, you know, found Jesus. And, uh, you know, it's just interesting to hear people's different stories because everybody's got a story, you know,

and, uh, you know, I've heard things like just recently, uh, friends of ours are missionaries. And they are here in the States for a little bit, but they're from, they, they go to Egypt for their, their work. And they told me that, and they didn't tell me, they told my wife, and my wife told me that when they were over there, they saw a lot of, of crazy stuff, a lot of crazy stuff that here in America, people don't talk about it. I'm convinced that it happens here, but people don't talk about it. And we live our lives in such a way where we have these blinders on where we probably don't even notice it half the time. But like this one instance, this guy who's a director of whatever they do over there, this Christian organization,

was cursed by somebody else. And he got deathly ill, deathly sick. And he's in the hospital. and he sees Jesus. Like he said, I saw Jesus Christ. And at that very moment that he saw Jesus Christ, the guy who cursed him was at work and dropped over dead. It's like, yeah. It's just like, when you hear these stories, it's like, wow. But, you know, here in America, we don't really talk about these kind of things.

I think we have a lot of blinders on, and we don't really acknowledge it happens around us. And it's just this kind of stuff is very real. And, you know, people like you. who experience these different types of things and stuff, it just takes people like you coming forward and sharing your story. And I appreciate that. I appreciate you having me on, honestly.

So thank you very much. Absolutely. Well, Amy, I will talk to you later. If you have anything else you'd like to share with me, feel free to get a hold of me. Okay. All right. Thanks. Bye, Tony.

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