The Confessionals - Tennessee's Cryptid Hotspots Exposed w/Matt Seeber & Martin Groves | Slingshot Nation

Episode Date: July 24, 2026

East Tennessee has become a hotspot for some of the strangest cryptid encounters in the country. Returning guest Martin Groves joins first-time guest Matt Seeber to share firsthand experiences, years of field research, and the patterns they've uncovered across the region. From Dogman and Bigfoot to panther-like black cats and other unexplained creatures, they explore the reports that continue to surface throughout Tennessee. If you've ever wondered what's really roaming the mountains and forests of the Volunteer State, this conversation is one you won't want to miss.Please consider donating to Ron Patton's GoFundMe. Any donation helps greatly: https://gofund.me/818cdbf11If you’re able, consider helping the Merkel family with medical expenses by donating to Lindsay’s GoFundMe: https://gofund.me/b8f76890🎟️ Enter the FREE TICKET Giveaway here 👉: [e-mail] Rising 2.0 Conference Tickets: https://bit.ly/3QWMYqN📕 Pre-order Tony's Book: https://a.co/d/0bJS3SaV🫈 Join us at the Smoky Mountain Bigfoot Conference: Tickets HereBecome a member for ad-free listening, extra shows, and exclusive access to our social media app: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinThe Confessionals Social Network App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZThe Counter Series Available NOW:The Counter (YouTube): WATCH HEREThe Counter (Full Episode): WATCH HERETony's Recommended Reads: slingshotlibrary.comIf you want to learn about Jesus and what it means to be saved: Click HereMerkel Media Apparel: merkmerch.comSPONSORSGHOSTBED: GhostBed.com/tonyQUINCE: quince.com/tonyIVERMECTIN: twc.health/tonyVENICE AI: https://venice.ai/theconfessionalsRUMBLE WALLET: https://rumblewallet.onelink.me/bJsX/ConfessionalsCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] ADDRESS:Merkel Media6726 Morganton RdP.O. Box #08Greenback, TN 37742SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIReddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/theconfessionals/Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelProduced by: @jyorkofficialOUTRO MUSICTony Merkel - Grace Boom ft. BAMNow on Spotify

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See Brunello, the gracious visionary, in Select Theater's July 24th. Oh boy, is that a slingshot? Yeah, yeah. Slingshot season. Hey, let's run it. Grace hit me like, boom. Welcome to Slingshot Nation, everybody. I'm your host, Tony Merkel.

Thanks for tuning in to another Thursday. I'm enjoying Slingshot Nation, and I'm here with my buddy, Derek. Derek, how you doing, man? Tony, doing great today. I love East Tennessee. Cryptids. It's so great. We, every time we do a Slingshot Nation where we focus on Appalachia, it seems like people

really enjoy that. So no better week to do that than this week because we have two guests in studio. In fact, I'm not even going to talk to Jack today because Jack is behind the scenes. He's here. He's here. But there's not enough mics for everybody. And so I guess that's my problem. I should probably, should we, hey Jack, nope, never mind.

I can't talk to him. But maybe he can send us text messages throughout the show and we can read them on air. But maybe I need to find some new tech in here to allow Jack to have a microphone too when we have a full table. But we do have a full table today. We have Matt Sieber here in studio from East Tennessee, Bigfoot. How you're all doing? Doing real good. I'm glad you're here.

You're a local guy, Knoxville. And we also have legend of the. show, Martin Groves. Super stoked to be here and see everybody today. I'm super stoked. Yeah. This is going to be good. This is going to be really good.

The way it's kind of came together. Actually, Matt, you were supposed to be here a few weeks back, I think it was. And I messed up the schedule with something. I forget what it was. Now, there was some doctor's appointments. Yeah, that's what it was. I think I planned to have you in the day that I had to take my wife to the hospital. And today's another one of those days.

And so I was like, can you have your mom taking you to the hospital? I really mess my schedule up again. And that's kind of where Derek comes in. Derek is like the guy. I don't handle your personal schedule. That's true. That's where it gets a problem. Maybe we need to change that.

I'll just call Derek. I admit I'm like, okay, is Derek. What am I doing with my kids tomorrow? You know? But yeah, so I'm glad to have everybody here at the studio. And we're going to have a great conversation today. The reason why Martin is, well, I mean, you can come out any time, Martin.

Just so you know. Thank you. Thank you. Open invitation. But it was fitting because we have the Smoking Mountain Bigfoot Conference this weekend. And everybody in this room is going to be at the Smoking Mountain Bigfoot Conference. So if you're watching right now and you enjoy these guys, which I don't think you won't, you should definitely come out to the smoking about Bigfoot conference and meet all of us.

Matt's going to be, do you have a table there? I will. I'll have a booth. Okay. So Matt's going to have a booth there for East Tennessee Bigfoot. We're going to have a booth there. I'll be participating in the roundtable discussion. Derek, I'm sorry.

I spit on you again. I feel like I do that every week. I was raised with my dad. It's all good. I get really excited. My mouth gets full of saliva and I just start spitting. It's all good. Unfortunately, you're going to get Tony Robbins today.

So I hear he spits a lot when he speaks. But I'm going to have a roundtable discussion. I'm not actually hosting it. The last time I participated at Smoking Mountain Bigfoot Conference, I was hosting the roundtable. And this year, we have a different host. I forget which person is hosting it. David, I think it is.

David Bakara. Yes. That he pronounced his last name, Bacara? Yeah, great guy. Yeah. I've met him a couple times. Never been to his museum, but he has a museum in Georgia called the Bigfoot Museum. Is that what's called?

Expedition Bigfoot. It's a museum off of a road. Cherry Log. Cherry Log, Georgia. Cherry Log, Georgia. I forget the name of the road. I remember I was driving from Florida back here, and I was going to stop by. And that was the point of the drive where I was like, I'm not a step.

stop it anywhere. I'm just going home. It was like a 10-hour drive, you know. I'm not a trucker anymore. I'm not used to it. I just think. But he's going to be hosting a roundtable conversation there, and I think they usually go about 45 minutes to an hour. Lori Wade's going to be there at the roundtable. And Levi, I can't remember his last name, but I have never met this other guy yet. But we're going to do a roundtable discussion. It's going to be awesome at Smokhamout, Bigfoot Conference. And Martin is going to be a featured speaker. You're going to be speaking on stage by yourself, no supporting casting a roundtable, just alone on the stage. Are you scared?

I am totally freak, but now I have backup. I am going to have with me as a special guest, Sammy the Sasquatch. And Sammy will appear for his first time, and he will be right beside of me. He's a little guy, just been born, so he's a little bitty guy, so I'm going to carry Sammy with him. So that's how you caught him. So, yeah, so I'll hang on to walk. And he was crawling through the woods, and you picked him up by the back of the neck You're coming with me, boy.

I didn't think that was Martin in that photo holding the baby Sasquatch. Oh, my gosh, that was Martin. I didn't know. So everybody will actually get to see Sammy the Sasquatch. Awesome. I'm looking forward to it. And I'm looking forward to meeting everybody out there. It's going to be a great time.

At our booth, we're going to have some new merch. Actually, one of the merch is that I'm going to be, we're going to have is what I'm wearing here. Our t-shirt. Catch me outside. How about that? Totally awesome. It's the perfect T-shirt. And so if you want this T-shirt, it's only going to be available at the Smoky Mountain Bigfoot Conference.

That's me bribing you to come out and meet me and shake my hand and pretend you like me. But also, we have coffee that we're going to be doing where nobody's ever tasted our coffee publicly yet. And we're going to be giving free taste testing there at our booth. And we'll be selling our newly minted coffee. And because we're doing that, we've made us. second custom shirt for Smoking Mountain Big Food Conference. And Derek is wearing that. Hang on.

Show them the front because I like the front. The front. Jack, zoom in. You can't zoom in. Probably can't. The confessionals. Nice cursive. Stand up and strut your stuff.

All right. Let's show them. Yeah. Yeah. Work it. Work it. Harry Mann's house. That's the,

that is one of the blends that we have. And we have other ones like pinkies out. What are the flavors? You guys. We got UAP, unidentified, aromatic. Oh my gosh.

I can't remember what it is. Aromatic. Don't talk to Jack. He's not here today. Jack's not here. And we got Midnight Merck. Tony at in the middle of the night. Yeah.

And midnight Merck. Pinkies out. And the pinkies out has actually six fingers. That's why there's two out for the pinkies out. Two pinkies. So, you know, we got to go to Nephlin branding, you know, six fingers. But, yeah. So we have some really fun stuff at the booth for next week.

And I'm looking forward, or not next week, this coming weekend, Saturday, July 25th. And I believe to get in, you just pay a flat fee for the Expo. And then if you want to hear the speakers, there's another fee for that. But if you don't want to hear this amazing man speak and me fumble all over myself with a roundtable discussion, then you can just come in for the Expo and meet Matt and ignore us over here. So yeah, Matt,

you're going to hog all over there. You're going to hog all the attention. I hope so. I hope they see me and say, hey, I want to talk to that guy. Yeah. We'll see. Yeah. Jack, stop talking. You're not on, you're not on, you're not on, you don't have a mic. Jack's over there talking. He has a microphone. Pretty soon what's going to happen is Jack's going to say something. One of these guys are going to answer. People are going to think they're just talking to themselves. So, yeah, anyway, smoking out big foot conference. Now, we are doing a giveaway. Today is our last giveaway. We, we're all going to be, not these two guys, unless you guys want to come, but I'm not paying for your trip.

The Remnant Rising 2.0 conference in Missouri. The ministry is called Hear the Watchman. And we're going to be out there. I don't remember the dates now. August 6th. 7th through the 9th. Thank you, Derek. I'll be speaking at that conference.

I'll be speaking Friday night, but I'll be there throughout the whole weekend. I'll be on a panel discussion Sunday afternoon. And we are giving away tickets. Now, we've given away five tickets, and this is the last week. So we have one lucky winner to win a ticket. If you do not win a ticket and you still want to come, we have a discount code for you. So you still purchase a ticket.

If you use Merkel 20, you'll get $20 off. $20 off. All right, Jack, give me the nod. $20. I can never remember $2 or a percentage, but you'll get $20 off of use Merkle 20 for your ticket. So even if you don't win a free ticket, you can still get a discount ticket. let's get to this wheel. And Jack told us before we started

that I have to narrate it because he doesn't have a mic. So here we go. We are bringing up the wheel. And how many, Jack, just, you can say it and I'll say it on there. How many names are on this roughly? Probably about 400. And so, listen, we told you guys in the beginning, the very first time we did this,

there was probably about, I don't know, 50 names. And we said, get in early because the list is going to, to grow. And now we have like 400 names on here. So whoever wins today is literally a lucky winner. Jack, give her a spin. All right. We are spinning.

Spinning, spinning, spinning. And we're coming up here on who is it? Who is it? Who is it? Who is it? We got a winner. Holly S. Holly S. Yes, yes, yes. Holly S. You are coming to Remnant Rising 2.0.

Jack will be in contact with you and he'll pass on your information to the appropriate people at the conference and you'll get your free ticket. I can't wait to see you there. And anybody else, just a reminder, if you want to come on out to Remnant Rising 2.0, you can. Just go get your ticket. Use Merkel 20 for your discount code of $20 off. See you there. Hear the Watchman.

Remnant Rising. Let's go. We're going to get supernatural with that conversation. The organizer said to me that he doesn't really tell the speakers what to speak about. And so I was like, oh, boy. this is going to get interesting. It's going to be good. I'm going to probably

I know what I'm going to do. I'm going to do a supernatural conversation because that's what I like talking about. So we're going to talk about the reality of the supernatural realm and how it applies to people's lives. So I'm excited about it and you should be too.

So last but not least, before we get to paying the bills, I just want to you guys know, listen. The book. Oh, what is that on camera? The Confessionals. Exposing War and Kingdoms, This is my new book, my first book.

I shouldn't even say new book. This is my first book. And I have printed copies. You don't have printed copies yet because it's not coming out until October, but I had these delivered to my house. And we will be selling them at Remnant Rising 2.0. So if you come on out to the conference, you could be some of the first people in the world to own a copy of my book.

And since I'm there, I'll sign it for you if you want. But if you don't want, no hard feelings. But this book I wrote, and it is all about what I was just talking about, exposing warring kingdoms, the supernatural realm, and the reality that there are opposing forces. And it's a very complex system. And it's my discovery of that process and that system throughout the process of this show. It starts in my early life where I had pretty interesting experiences. Let's put that way that I didn't really consider and think about a whole lot until I started writing the book. And just this book is like me documenting my journey into my supernatural understanding from

childhood. Then the show starts, how the show started, and that whole chaos, my three-hour experience with the Satanus at his house, that chaos. And then into the show and me discovering certain aspects of the supernatural realm through people's experiences that led me down this road of my personal understanding of how things operate. It's all documented in this book. And I do believe this book is going to change people's lives that are really struggling with certain things. People have experiences that they don't understand. And this is, and this is, not a shot at anybody, any pastors or churches, but traditionally, people have experiences where they can't really go into church because the church, unfortunately, is not set up to handle

supernatural encounters and experiences, and they don't know what to do with it. And they go from anywhere from people are going to think I'm crazy to, am I even a Christian? And the answer is, no, you're not crazy. And yes, you can be a Christian and have these experiences because you are in a war. The subject. is you. They're seeking your destruction. And so you will have experiences because you have a target on your back. And so that's what we document in this book. It is forwarded by L.A. Marzuli, a good friend of mine. And I called him the other day. And I sent him a voice memo. And I called him my sensei. I was like, teach me what you know, sense. And he seemed to like that. So hopefully, this is me trying to bribe him

to be my mentor. And so, and my pastor's texting me right now. How many chickens did you lose? Oh, that's a different topic. I just want to make sure it wasn't an emergency. I'm sure he's watching actually right now. Pastor, I've lost all my chickens. I have no more chickens. They're dead.

Oh, man. And so even my rooster, who I had for about five, going on five years. And so he was a good boy. But the raccoon got him. And what really bothers me is that the raccoon got him. And raccoons are known for taking, popping the heads off the chickens and leaving the body. he did that with my last remaining hen. But he just killed my rooster.

Didn't do the head thing, didn't eat him, nothing. Just killed him. And I was like, man, in the chicken coop. Anyways, I'm going to get distracted here. So let's get back on the topic. What was it? Oh, my book. Pre-order.

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Thanks, Jack. He's over there whispering my answers to me. And so that's really good for a book that hasn't even been published yet. Like, it's not out, you know. So the more people pre-order, the more the book will get exposure, and the more lives can be changed. So if you want to be part of the success of this book, please go ahead and pre-order the book.

Thank you very much. And so before we get into the topic of the day of the cryptids and East Tennessee, you can't go cryptid without crypto. Good. That's good. And that is my transition. Derek, we're not talking Bigfoot with you, are we? No, it's time for our paid advertisement from Rumble Wallet. How much control do you have over your money right now?

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but I didn't know what I was getting myself into. And I went down to, I'm going to drop him again, Eddie from Legends and Lord Pizzeria. He was here a few weeks ago. And when I went to his pizzeria and he, told me that Scott, he's like, do you know who Scott Carpenter? It's like, yeah, I know who Scott Carpenter. I mean, I don't know him, but, you know, I'm aware of him. He's like, yeah, he lives in Marival. I'm like, wait, that's where my studio's at. Really? And so I had him on the show and just talking with him before he passed, I learned how this specific

area of Marble, Murville, Murville. And I can't even say the word Merrill on text anymore because it spells it not as Maryville, which is what it is. So anybody who's not local, it's spelled Maryville, but locals say, Murrible. Your talk to text is no good. No, it's no good. And I try. I'm like, I think I'm saying Maryville and it's still saying, you mean Murrible. I'm like, yeah, yeah, that's what I mean. But this area is just so jam-packed with cryptids, missing 401, mysterious nature. And it seems like it just, it ripples out from here. You have the Smoky Mountains, like literally we can see the smoking mountains from where we're at. If you make a right out of here, you go up the mountain, you're at, you're at,

Adams something, I forget. Abram Falls. Abram Falls, thank you. You're at Abrams Falls within not even 20 minutes, you know, which has tons of mysterious things. My friend Brian, Brian Jeffrey, he researches the area heavily. We were just talking about him earlier today, the guy who went missing. What was his name?

I couldn't remember. Michael, Michael Heron back in 2014 goes missing up there. And from my perspective, it's a missing 401 type of case. It's unsolved. And it's just like the circumstances around it are just so mysterious. Like, from what I remember off the top of my head, he wasn't even planning on being gone long because he left to his wallet, his keys, his gun, everything was in his truck.

He takes off on a side-by-side or a four-wheeler, and they find the four-wheeler in the keys in the on position. That gas tanks empty, like, theoretically, he was just taken off the four-wheeler and the four they were just drove into and they say like some trees and just kind of ran out of gas there. Is that right, Martin? Yes, yes. It's such a mysterious circumstances behind his disappearance. and it goes hand in hand with what we have in this immediate area for hundreds of years

where people, hunters, the pioneers disappeared, the first people that lived here, and it just goes hand in hand with all these stories for a couple hundred years. Yeah, it's wild. And I mean, I can only imagine if this area is what I suspected to be, like, for Tony's lingo supernaturally charged, I can only imagine what the stories were of the Cherokee and those who literally lived in this area. Like, we live in the area inside our homes, inside buildings. They're like, no, like the woods are our homes.

Like, we live here. I can only imagine what they would have had seen and experienced. You look like you have something run through your head now. I'm just thinking about a lot of things that I've heard over the years. Okay. So I, along with the, the, the, the, the, cryptids and everything that I want to hit, I definitely want to hit on Bigfoot today. I want to present this, this line of thinking.

And I want to do it. And there's a reason why if you look at, I guess, on my shoulder over here, and if you flip the Jack, or flip to Derek Jack, that panther that's on Derek's over Derek's shoulder, the reason why I put that there, it's like, well, that's not a cryptid. It kind of is. It kind of is. and let's leave the whole it being a magical panther out, you know, because I could have fun with that.

But the very fact that, you know, I stem from Pennsylvania where, you know, they say there are no mountain lines. Yeah, I've heard of people having mountain lines up there to one of the guys I used to work with said that in the area that he was in, a mountain line was hit and killed like roadkill. And like law enforcement, let's just say it that way, came in. like conned off the road, blocked it off, cleaned up the site, like for a mountain lion, you know? And so like there's that element of what, what are they? What, what?

If they are willing to go to that extent of being like, we got to clean this up before people see it. And it's a mountain lion, what do you think they're going to do when a trucker hits a big foot or a dog, man, right? Like that, you know, that's next level of urgency. down here in East Tennessee, they also say there's no mountain. In fact, they say the eastern part of the country, the official narrative, as far as I understand now, to this day is east coast of the United States doesn't have mountain line.

That they went extinct 100 years ago and they are no longer here. They were hunted out. Yet we have countless of people saying that they've seen mountain line, right? Now, I think if you're just taking a person who is not really into these topics, cryptids and all that, and you say Mountline, they're like, oh, that was extinct, but at least we know that exists here in the United States. If you tell them there's Black Panthers in the United States, they're going to be like, that's impossible. They never were here. Mountline were at least once here, we know there are on the West Coast. Black Panthers, they were never here.

here. However, this immediate area has Black Panthers. And it's crazy because we have them on pictures. And I have pictures to show people today. And I was hoping that I was hoping that I was hoping that I could have one picture that I don't have today. But Brian Jeffrey, he has a picture of one. So first of all, I want to say that Eddie a few weeks ago shared about law enforcement coming into his pizza shop. And I think it was a local sheriff, if I remember correctly, who had it on his dash cam of a Black Panther going across the road, I think down in 4-11. And he said the tail was so long and curled around the guardrail. It was a massive cat. Huge.

Huge. And but he wasn't allowed to do anything with that. He's not allowed to talk about it, right? Brian in Frozenhead, right? Frozen head. Frozen head. I don't know why I always want to say Frozen Fish. I don't know why.

But Brian does a lot of research, and I'm going to bring him in for a Slingshot Nation at some point. He does a ton of research in this area, East Tennessee. He goes all over place. It's literally essentially his full-time job. This is what he does. He's a retired veteran, and he goes and hunts the mysterious thing. and he's trying to get things like black panthers recognize

that they are actually here. He has a an image where it's one game trail camera that has a picture of a deer walking cross. It has a picture of a wild boar walking across and it has a black panther. And the black panther,

if the distance this panther was from the camera versus the other animals was larger than the wild boar. Wow. It was massive. Even if that scale is off, it still was a Black Panther at Frozen Head, not fish. And so I have, and I've seen the image.

I just don't have it. But today we do have two other images, which is really interesting because I've shared one before. And it's in Kodak, Tennessee. And Kodak is not far from Knoxville. I almost bought a house in Kodak when I was looking to, move down here. And Jack, if you pull the first one up of the one walking through the field, um, full body, yeah, uh, at it from a distance. Yes, that one. So this is a black panther walking through a field in Kodak. Now, I've had people say that because of the distance,

you don't know if that's a how, a black house cat. And, and, you know, there's part of me, and I'll be honest, like, there's part of me that I'll choose to believe it. You know, like, I want to believe that that's a Black Panther, right? And I've seen Brian's image and now this one in Kodak that was sent to us in an email. I can't remember the lady's name or else I'd give her a shout out. And there's that. Okay, so take it for what it is, you know? And if you want to say it's a black house cat, okay, we got a black house cat. Tony's a fool. However, on Sunday, after I was done worshipping the Lord in the The foyer of my church, a sister came over and who does not do these topics. She's not, she doesn't follow Bigfoot.

She just knows that I tackle unusual topics. She said a friend of hers that lives in Kodak got on a game trail camera around their house, I suppose, a Black Panther before you, don't put it up yet, Jack. When she tells me this, I'm thinking what I have here. You know, which is distance, kind of fuzzy. It's not a clear image. You know, it's like the shoulder or something. You're like, oh, that's clearly a Black Panther.

Somebody else will be like, that's a big foot. I'm like, I don't know what it is, you know. Jack, show him what we got. Show him what we got. That is a Black Panther in Kodak, Tennessee. Bingo. Wow. Boom, baby, boom.

No denial. 4K high deaf, not a mountain lion, not tan. That is a Black Panther right outside Knoxville, Tennessee. Wow. Now, this video disappears. At least we've seen it today. Right, right. So all of you guys watching right now, and I used to be somebody, keep that up for a little bit, Jack.

I used to be somebody that when people, back in the day, when I was like starting my Bigfoot hunting journey, I'm in Pennsylvania, going out into the Appalachian Mountains up there, which are more like hills compared to down here. And the, I'll send it to you, bro. I'll just send it to you. I might disappear before the show's over. No, on my phone, I'll send it to you. Before the show's over. If it disappears off my phone, we got bigger problems than the cat. Yeah, it's bigger than the cat, yeah.

But people would talk about these Black Panthers being up in, like, New York State. And I was like, who cares? It's a black cat. The more I got into the crypted stuff, the mysterious nature of things that it existed. that shouldn't exist, the more I'm like, oh, no. Like, there's a reason to care if there's a Black Panther walking anywhere on this country's grounds. And it's not because, I mean, there's plenty of reasons, I'm sure.

But Matt just keeps looking at it. It's so incredible. I'm trying to compare it to what people are saying is the black jaguar from South America. Yeah. Doesn't look anything like it. I mean, that looks like a cougar only. Black. Black. Yeah. Because their facial structure is different for a Jaguar. You take a good look at a Jaguar.

I've never looked at a different. It's got a more rounded head. Okay. These things got these big jaw lines on them. And yeah, that's special right there. Right. That's special. That's the real deal right there. Yeah. That's the real deal. I think it is, right? But I look at these topics and you're looking at the mysterious side of it, right?

and people, you know, talking about the existence of Black Panthers, and I used to be like, who cares? But now I'm looking at it. I'm like, okay, I know Black Panthers exist somewhere on this world, just like I know Mountain Lions exist, right? But officially, they don't exist in the United States. Mountain Line do. Just not this part of it, officially.

But Black Panthers do not exist. here. Yet we have them on trail camera three times. I officially three times have seen. I saw Brian's footage. I showed you two Kodak pictures here. Both those pictures are from Kodak, Tennessee. It might be the same cat.

So why is that, and this is my question to launch conversation, why is it that something that does not exist in the United States but does exist officially in the world, a Black Panther

is documented three times on a Game Trail camera footage that have come to me, just me. There's probably countless of other people who have had similar documentation that just didn't have a platform to put it on. Why is it that

we have Black Panthers on game trail cameras and not other things that do not exist in the United States, Bigfoot, Dogman. And I'll just say, I don't care what answers you guys have here. You can say something that you, I don't know what you're feeling like, oh, Tony's not going to agree with me on this.

Say whatever you want. You know, I come up from a very extreme supernatural worldview, and that's where I lean. But why is it that we don't have pictures of something that, quote, unquote, doesn't exist, like Bigfoot and Dogman, but we do have pictures of something that does not exist in the United States of Black Panthers. Yeah.

Go ahead, man. Simple for me. Scott Carpenter said you can make a perimeter around your property if you point each camera to each other. Bigfoot knows. They know.

They're intelligent. They're not animals. Panthers are animals. They don't consider what that camera is. They might look at it. They might think it's kind of goofy looking to them or, you know, you've seen bears sniff them,

bears rip them off trees and chew on them. But they're not looking at that as possibly being detected by humans. Yeah. And I think Bigfoot and other cryptids like that don't want to be seen. They don't want to be messed with. And you've got to consider, too, whatever's out there, if it has enough intelligence to know to stay away from game cams, it's, and knows a lot more.

Yeah, and it's like, it's like, what is it? Like, why is it that they have that need for secrecy? You know, like, you say the intelligence aspect of things. Like, that's beyond just intelligence. Like, that's, I don't want to say nefarious isn't the right word, but it's that, that angle of like, I need to be secret. There's this intelligence that's like, not only, is it intelligent, but it's extremely aware that I, me, need to be secret.

I cannot be seen. I only need to be seen only when I allow it to happen. Scott Carpenter, who you just brought up, he said that, I think I can say this, and I'm pretty sure I'm remembering correctly, he said at one point he had Sasquatch coming up to his house. And I know where he lived. I've been in the house. Scott was not in the mountains of Tennessee.

He was in Marival. He lived in a neighborhood, an old development. His house was between, I think, two other houses. So he has these things coming up to his house. He even had neighbors who claimed to have seen his words relayed to him from his neighbors. I gotta say that clearly. They saw a little black boy climbing the trees of the neighborhood. Like, and he's like, that ain't, no, that ain't.

And I think he even laid eyes on it. He saw what it was. And they were defining it as a black kid. But he's like, no, that's a big foot. And so they do come up to the property. And you're talking about the barrier aspect. But why is it that they even feel the need to come to Scott's house in a development? Like, are they doing this to other people?

Are they only doing the people who are going and hunting them? They may be doing it to me. Really? Where are you at? The property. I want your address. I live in Clinton. Okay, so Clinton, Tennessee.

It's about 16 miles west, northwest, Knoxville. Okay. And the person that I go to the farm where all this stuff is happening in my corner is about, as the crow flies, maybe 10 miles. I've been to her property many times. I've looked at things. I've cast the track. I've found hair samples, all these kinds of things. If it's watching her, it's watching me.

And we think it's got a kind of a crush on her. But anyway, I have an old tree, an old cherry tree that we had cut down, and I left it about three feet high. And just for giggle's sake, I left an apple. It came a large rain, large storm. The next day, about two different size, possible tracks in my yard near that stump with no apple. And one of them was pushing 18 inches.

Wow. Now, I can't say for 100% that it's a track, but I've got photos. And we can discuss that at some point. But I think that if you're interested in them, they've become interested in you. They do. And I did have an experience when my son had his experience in 2005 that I think kind connected me to them in a way that I can't get away from it. Yeah.

I mean, I could back off and say, I don't want to do this anymore. Well, I can do that physically, but it never leaves my mind. It never leaves my consciousness. I'm always thinking about this in one form or other. Plus, when you start throwing in the dog man and some of this other stuff, that just builds on it. It does. So you start thinking, I start thinking, dog man, I thought, I need to call Martin. because I don't want nothing to do with that nonsense.

Yeah. So, but yeah, I mean, it's very possible that, in my opinion, of course, we're going back, I'm going in circles, when the Native Americans say that they used to trade with these beings, they used to have interactions with them, and they were almost like neighbors, they considered themselves almost friends, people of the woods, and then the Europeans came in with guns. And we showed Bigfoot how dangerous we are. And they've passed that knowledge on to their children and their children and children and children. And they know to stay away from us because we are dangerous. We talk about is Bigfoot good or Bigfoot evil? Well, is mankind evil? Yeah. We're evil.

Well said. We are evil. Bigfoot may be just trying to protect itself, scaring us, throwing rocks. doing all those things. Get away from me. I don't want no part of you because you are evil. That's how I look at at this point in my life. So, I mean, it's fluid. That might change tomorrow. It's changed over the past 20 years what Bigfoot is, who Bigfoot is, where it's from, what it's about. That changes every few days for me. I think it should be fluid because, like, we're talking about something that is so mysterious. is there's so many questions.

There's so many questions surrounding it. And unfortunately, some of these researchers, these people who pride themselves on their research, they don't, they get to a point where maybe subconsciously, they're saying this, they're not saying it consciously, but they get to a point where there is no question as to what it is anymore. They've got to figure it out.

And I think it's good to remain fluid because that means that you are inevitably saying, I don't have it all figured out. My opinion on the topic has changed dramatically over the years. Go ahead, Martin. Let's walk it back just because there's so much serious aspects here, especially with what Matt had said as well. Well, let's go back to your original question,

back to the Black Panther and the existence. We have to go back, and it's such a shame that we have lost so much of our history that is no longer taught. And it's not taught inside the schools. We can go back, though, to the very first ship captains that landed here. And they sent out hunter teams. And they were quite good with their records.

And they kept manifest, they kept journals. And one thing that they were really good at is not only would they write down numbers, they would write down. And some of them were quite very good artists. and on these ships manifest, one thing that leads us to back to the Black Panther is we have manifest that do exist where along the Appalachian Mountains all the way from New York, all the way down to going into Georgia, Hunter teams had killed Black Panthers. They had killed all different types of game, and they would write down how much

and what they've shot, what they've killed, what they ate. And there is one manifest that is very important. And I do not recall the name of the team that went in, the group that it went in. So we do have a chronological order of what they killed to eat along their travel. And Black Panthers was in there. But what's so important, we have Black Panthers being seen today. and why is it that when we have witnesses that are so great in their testimony that they say, we've seen a Black Panther, why are those so easily to dismiss these good folks?

And then we walk it around. Why do we dismiss and hide the Black Panther? And we come to what Matt is speaking of when we have no photographs, no good pictures of the game cameras, with Bigfoot. The answer is easy is because the Black Panther is, in my belief, partly flesh and blood, but Bigfoot is not. But they know when the game cameras are up, Matt is very experienced in this, and they will walk around the game cameras,

and they will shy away from these things. So, yes, we do have Black Panthers, and I believe they do exist here. Yeah, I mean, you have to believe it now. Long answer, but I just showed you a picture. I got a photo of one on my phone not black, but in halls. In halls? In halls.

Okay. I mean, I did consider, because you have to consider all things, the image that we showed was that AI, was it created by AI. And I'm like, well, I know the source that the picture came from as far as she giving to me, I know she didn't do it. And she said her friend does it.

And I mean, we're talking about, or does it? I said, does it? Her friend gave it to her and it's shot. the picture with her camera. And I mean, I don't know how old her friend is, but I know this couple, I mean, they're at least in their upper 60s. I know her husband's 73, I think. So, I mean, the odds are against them fooling around with AI like that, right? I would think, but maybe not. It would be nice to maybe contact the person who actually got the photo and- I don't know if the person would even care to even talk about it, you know? But she sent it to her.

she gave it to me and I give it to the world. But the, so we're bringing up the, we brought up you and the, you're in Clinton. Yeah. Clinton. Okay. So we have, Merrill has a lot of activity. Clinton has activity. We know down south of here, where's the shop at the pizza shop?

I was Madisonville. Madisonville has a lot of activity and Kodak has these Black Panthers or at least one, right? But if there's one, there's probably more than one. Your place, I would like to get into, you mentioned about the trackway, the two tracks that you got around the stump, right?

This just happened about a day or two ago. and I when I don't want to admit something's happening I'm just like meh that ain't nothing and it probably is nothing but I will tell

this I haven't even told Lindsay this or Jack or anybody I think it started actually yesterday I started driving I started driving down my driveway yesterday and there was a I hate to say this man

I hate to even say this hell loud do. Because I know, I just know how this is going to be, all right, here we go. You know how you brought it the Apple thing, right? And the idea is what it's gifting. They call it gifting, right? So people will gift things to Bigfoot.

And they say Bigfoot gifts back, right? I don't gift, okay? I don't gift. I just want to say that. I don't gift Bigfoot. I don't gift anything. They can find their own food. But I just turned in my driveway and I started driving down my driveway and I don't have any pine trees on my driveway.

And there was a big pine cone like that big sitting on its end in the middle of my driveway. And I was like, well, if I was a big footer, I'd say that's a gift. And I just didn't think about it. I just drove away and drove over to my house. And then I left. I'm driving up the driveway and it's still sitting there. And I was like, hang on a second. I don't have any pine cones.

I don't have any pine trees. And I mean, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I do. But I started thinking like, I'm going to pray a barrier over my property again. You know, because I do that. and I don't know. I just something,

because I don't think like that. I don't think like that usually. I usually don't even think, consider that as a possibility. But for whatever reason, I just can't shake the idea that I don't know where that pine cone came from. And why is it sitting on its end?

Like, it was placed there. And I know these big footers, they talk about the pine cone and being gifts and stuff. And I don't like pine cones bigfoot. So I'm just telling you straight up. I don't like pine cones.

You keep your gifts. Not a fan of them. I don't like them. But yeah, so you talking about the Apple brought that up in my mind, and I figured, okay, let's just share it and get it off. I have a huge question. I don't have answers. I don't have answers.

I want to know. I want to know with everything that you heard from him. I've seen your eyes light up just the same as mine. What are you thinking about that pine cone? Sitting on its end, that's different. I showed a picture. But the fact that you're relatively certain you don't have pines around. I think so.

I'm going to analyze. Do you have a dog? Yeah, but he runs around a little bit? He's not allowed down there. He has a fence. He can't get down there. I can't imagine anything. I mean, when I think of a pine cone, maybe laying on its end, maybe it's blown around.

But you said it was a big pine cone, would it took a heck of a storm to get it where it's at. Plus sitting on its end, that's one of those that's like dropping a dime on the table landing on its end. That's very improbable. Yeah. Now, just so the audience knows, the camera's going to be on that for a few minutes here. Oh, Jack's back. Okay.

Because he had to walk out real quick. Are my kids okay? Okay. Oh, they're gone. Okay, cool. Not in a bad way, though, right? Somebody, Lindsay took him, right? Okay.

You think or you know? You don't know. OJ? Okay. So, I'm a little nervous. But go ahead and, Okay. My kids were in the other room.

Are we sure? Let me see if Lindsay text me. I continue this conversation. I'm going to just text my wife. So, big question. Matt is there. And I'm not convinced of something that you have said to me that it's completely natural. It's not a normal, right?

It's perfectly fine. You're going to see what I'm going to do. So question to you now, because Matt and his eyebrows are up, You have camera on your chickens. Complete camera. I mean, you won't miss anything from your camera. I don't like what this is going. The pine cone is pavement for your chickens.

Ooh, I never thought about that. I was thinking about that earlier. I don't like that at all. I'm not enjoying this conversation. The pine cone is pavement because I've seen and heard, and Matt was sinking it too, but the pine cone is pavement. No, it's impossible. No, it's not.

Impossible. Not considering they're invisible to begin with many times over. So, but that pine comes a payment for something. What's frustrating with this line of thinking and what you just presented is I have a camera for my chickens that I hadn't put up yet. And how many chickens have total? Just a guess. What do you mean? Because I've been talking to you for a very long.

time over years. How many chicken? I mean, we're going to go way back. I had nearly 30 at one point. My flock, because of what's going on in my life, I let the flock dwindle as it dwindled. And I got down to

my buddy, the rooster, and one hen. And I was planning on restocking soon. That's when my pastor texts me about the hens. And then this past Saturday, We were out of town taking the kids to at an event, and we came home. And both my chickens were in the coop, but they were dead.

And so, nah, Bigfoot didn't do that. Was there any, did you see damage around the fence? Did you see anything messing with the cage? What kind of latch did you have on it? I just have a normal twist handle lock. It locks. Raccoons have thumbs, but they're probably not tall enough to do that. Yeah, I know.

I was thinking that it maybe came in before it got dark, which I did find odd because... Why aren't we turning this about Bigfoot on my property? This is not happening. What happened was we were talking off camera before we got going today. And Matt, I don't think Matt had come in yet, but you had told me about your chickens, and I'm sitting there and I'm listening. And the one thing, the only thing that you've never been able to convince me of

because I've listened to you for years. I'm like, okay, maybe Rocky the raccoon may not be the only visitor to Tony's house. Yeah, well, let me tell you, I don't think, I'm just checking my text message. And my wife has not texting bad guys. I'm just getting nervous, but I'm sure the kids are fine. Oh, she just read it. So we'll be good. We're sure to be good.

She's texting. We're going to do this live on air because I can't think of anything else right now until the kids are safe. Priority. Yes, just got home. Perfect. Kids are safe. Lindsay's got them. Yes.

Awesome. Awesome. That means... Didn't you start, like, when you got your new coop, you had more than two chickens, though? Yeah, I had four. I had four. And they've all gone missing or been, you know, taken care of? Yeah, we're like the last week and a half, two weeks. Same year my son had his encounter in Rhone County. One of our neighbors down the road, a little ways we heard about him because the neighbor's friend was a friend of my son.

They kept a turkey as a pet, and they would put him in a cage every night up off the ground, kind of like a for a rabbit cage kind of thing, and it had a latch on it. Well, they came out one morning. The latch and the door were open, and there was no turkey. Turkey was gone for three days. They're figuring, okay, maybe a raccoon or something weighed its way into the cage and got it and took it. It returned three days later, laying by their mailbox with its breast, ripped out.

Whoa. And if you can imagine if that was a real predator, there wouldn't be anything left of feathers somewhere out in the woods. That's my opinion. I don't believe a predator would bring the turkey back dead and damaged

and lay it by a mailbox. And again, that was the same summer. There was more than one siding in the community, but same place, a mile down the road. Let's get to conversation off me.

I'm sorry, no, you're fine, you're fine. I'm convinced his raccoon still. Okay, it was definitely Rocky the raccoon. It was. It was. Or opossum, that's right. Listen, I even shot at a raccoon on Sunday.

And maybe it was, maybe it was, according to you guys, unjust, because he had nothing to do with this. But I think Rocky. And that's why he left the pine cone for you. Yeah, you shout out of him and he felt bad. See? Yeah. He was trying to strike a piece of chord with you.

I regret this pine coin story. So let's talk about your son, though, because I know this was a... I don't know if you were into these topics beforehand, but I know your son had a dramatic experience that... I don't want to put words in your mouth, but I think that he's... He has after effects. Yeah, he has some issues.

Yeah. So I don't know how deep you want to go. the things. So I would just. Lightly tread. Yeah, lightly tread. But I mean, your son had an experience. Tell us about what happened that that started you off this path. Oh, yeah.

This is it. This is the catalyst. Absolutely. Did this happen in Clinton? It happened in Rhone County. Rhone County down below Oliver Springs. That's where I, you know, that's where I spent the last few years of my teenage years. And then I met my wife in that area.

And it just goes on like that. living in a property down there right along the Walden's Ridge, which goes from good grief all the way up into Kentucky down to Alabama. So it's part of the, of course, it's the foothill area of Appalachia. And we were putting in a hot tub behind the house, and I had gotten a truckload of sand, 15-year-old kid, summertime, he's not going to do nothing in the day. He's asleep. He plays video games all night.

So I told him, I said, son, I don't care when you do this, just get it done. He decides to do that overnight, two or three in the morning. He's out there shoveling sand out of my old truck. And he's making a racket, but of course I didn't hear it. I was sound asleep. And he said something approached him. A few more odds and ends took place, but something approached him and stood behind one of our bird feeders and watched him. He picked up the shovel and started walking toward it, thinking that perhaps possibly it was one of his friends.

want to scare him up. It turned and it jogged, the best way he could say it, he even said loped, just a real slow jog kind of thing. And it ran under our security lot, and that's when he saw it was covered with black hair. And he said it ran kindly hunched over, and he said the hair was long, black, and flowing. He said it was beautiful. Wow. And as its arm would raise when it would run, he could see gray skin under the arm. and he's just,

it's just real pretty. He said, that's all I can say. It's a real manly structure, not fat, not looking ugly. I mean, he said probably the face

would probably have scared him to death. He never saw the face. And it ran around, you'd have to understand the property, ran around our dog lot down to the front of the house,

down into the road. And when it ran into the road, he distinctly heard four heavy footfalls on the asphalt, bare feet. And he said it sounded like somebody was,

running around the swimming pool, a concrete pool, you know, how kids will run around. Yeah. Slop, flop, flop, flop. And then after it left the road again, about 45 feet away, it went up into another driveway and walked up behind another house and went into a pine thicket. And that's the last he saw of it. And he actually followed it to the road and watched it as it went. So what is, 45 feet with four steps? That's what, nine-foot gate?

something to that effect and that's huge of course I didn't see any evidence of it when he told me about it I thought he was lying to me of course he's 15 year old kid he's gonna pick on dad he's gonna make and you didn't think about these topics before that

I had always had an interest okay I always had an interest when Peter Graves the mysterious monsters I was a kid and that great great show yeah that just oh that really got a hold of me but I never lived my life thinking about this stuff it was just okay Bigfoot maybe

out in the Pacific Northwest. They're not in Tennessee. Gotcha. So maybe there's a skunk cape in Florida I'd heard about. And that was about it. That was about it. So after that, I just got into it. Yeah.

And I can't get away from it. And the same summer, the same summer, I don't know if you know this, I had an experience of Monspeak. Really? Yeah, yeah. Same area? In my home, in my bed, from where my son had the encounter. Wow.

So that whole summer there were things going on in that community. So I'm laying in bed one night. I'm almost asleep. And I can't say this 100%. I really can't because it could have been my imagination and what was going on at the time and my looking into the situation and what Bigfoot is and where it's from and all that. That had just started. So it is a possibility that what I encountered, what I experienced was in my head.

So I'll say that first off. But I'm laying there almost asleep. And I get this vision in my head of two large black eyes surrounded by hair. And then around the hair was kind of like a fog. And it said three words to me, I am here. That was it. And it was very unnerving. It wasn't scary, but it was intrusive, if that makes any sense.

It's like, you've got no business in my head. And I think, looking back on it now, I think it wanted me to come outside. but I was too afraid to do so. And, you know, when that happened, I started thinking about it constantly. Just I can't, and I can't get it out of my head. It's there. And I've heard some people say that once they speak to you in one way or the other, you're tied to them. Yes, you are.

You're just, there's no way around it. Whether for better or worse, they will always be here in your mind. They won't go away. So what that means exactly spiritually, mentally, emotionally, paranocially, I don't know. So do you feel like after that experience that you had, you've had other following encounters that respond from that? I don't think so. No, I've never seen Sasquatch. The same summer that I had the Monspeak incident, I did hear the classic whistle from the other side of the road.

in the dark. And again, I had several neighbors tell me that they saw this, they heard that, all the summer long. There were two houses being built that summer next door to me. A lot of beaten, hammering, banging, noise. And my personal thought is it's traveling Walton's Ridge, north, south, and it hears all this beating and banging, and it wants to know what's going on. Its curiosity got to it, and it came down off the mountain, and it stayed there a while.

So you feel like when that happens, though, you mentioned about being connected to you, right? Are you connected to it? Yeah. So, I mean, for very generic terminology, let's say you're connected to the phenomena. Did you ever, after that,

have you ever had any experiences outside of Bigfoot that could be, like if you want to go like super woo-woo, super natural Tony route, like, like, I promise you, I'm willing to go more woo-woo,

within you. So don't, you're not going to, you know. Don't be so sure. Yeah. Can I just relate? Because I was just researching like alien abduction stuff. And it was like 67% of abductions actually have ghost encounters, orbs and all these other paranormal aspects that tie into just an abduction thing. So I mean, is that something similar? No. I have not experienced anything like that since. That's the only time I ever had that kind of experience. Have you had any other supernatural experience?

Have you ever experienced a haunting? No. When I was younger, there were some things that happened when I was a kid that may or may not have been. I was squirrel hunting one time when I was a young teenager, went into a certain area and it was so dead quiet. It was like I walked into a vacuum. Something was watching me.

I didn't see anything, didn't hear anything. And by not hearing anything, I heard nothing. nothing was in the woods. And I backed out with my 12-gauge and walked away. I knew that's something I needed to do. And then there was another time, you know, I've had a few crazy dreams when I was a kid. I felt people felt like there was a hand rubbing my face.

And then when I went to stop, I heard this crazy witchy top laugh. But that's it. That's it. That's as far as it goes, as far as supernatural. And the guys at work make fun of me because I'm looking for stuff.

And I can't find it, and it's right in front of me. So you'll never find it. You can't find the four-wheeler or two-wheeler or whatever it is that I'm looking for. And it's just, yeah, I agree. So there is something, this might be a little sidetrack that we go a little bit here, but I can't help but bring it up. So you brought up this dream that you had as a kid,

and when you try to brush it away, you hear that witchy laugh. Right. One, I'll say not too long ago, I had a dream. and I would say this was a I don't want to say it was a lucid dream but it was definitely not a normal dream it felt extremely real I was laying in my bed

everything that was happening in my dream was actually happening in this realm of reality I was laying in my bed I was sleeping with my wife I was laying on my right side facing her everything was in the dream same way here except for except for unless it actually did happen here and I just didn't see it

in my dream I had this I go from sleeping next to my wife to almost like I was taken out of my body in my dream and I can see my whole body and my back's facing the edge of the bed and there's this cloaked figure like cloaked as in like a hooded figure standing there with these like arms coming out of the cloak and it's wadding a ball of hair over me and I had had um I mean, I'm assuming at this point it's just going to be a constant thing where there will be human agents which is that have nefarious intentions towards me. But the idea of druids, hooded, cloaked people,

which is coming, I don't want to say coming after me because that sounds almost to like 1980s action movie. but like, you know, taunting me or whatever, coming, whatever. That is something that that has been

part of my journey. And that was just another piece of that. Now, I bring that up because of what you said, I tend to think that there is something that happens with dreams. And when we go to sleep, I do think, I do 100% believe that sometimes we're just dreaming.

Our brain is going. But I think that something happens, happens in dreams where if, you know, say we're sleeping and we're walking down this tunnel of dream, you come to, whether it's a literal decision in the road or what, but if you make a left, you continue dreaming. If you make a right, though, now you're exiting your dream realm and you're going somewhere else. Not back here, though. And I just got a text message the other day from a friend of ours, Wesley. And he hasn't had a seizure since like 2020. And, and he hasn't had a seizure since, like 2020.

And he had a seizure in the back of a truck that he's working. And I guess his seizures are spawned by just like different things. I'm not totally sure, but like, I think he said he jammed his thumb and it caused the seizure. And he said that when he, I haven't in a text, I tend to find it though, but like he said when he had his seizure, he heard like a crowd of people yelling. and screaming almost like a i admit this is probably my words not his but like like almost like torment you know and he heard it on the way back like when he was coming back from like like waking up from his seizure um and you saying that you in your dream you bat your hand and as you're waking

up you hear the witch cackling i think there's a transition point where your brain consciously can remember something that you're experiencing somewhere else but you only remember pieces of it right and we should probably get back to Bigfoot now. Yeah, we're going, like this. This is quite incredible, though. I'm listening to all this. Do you have any weird dream stories, Martin? Oh, I, yeah, I won't even bother.

Since the 93 encounter, yeah, I'm incredible dreams. And the only thing I can do is religiously, I pray very hard. Yeah. And because I have some horrid dreams, just like what you are. I was so interested in and listened to what Matt and you said, yeah, yeah. I've got the bad dreams. Yeah, I mean, I imagine you. I mean, if I had an experience like you, I'd have terrible, terrible dreams as well.

I mean, I may not go to sleep ever again. Because I, yeah, I mean, I told my son, you know, when we got out of the truck, when we were coming in here, I said, just briefly about who was here. And I said that you, in 93, so a dog man, I just kind of left it at that. And, you know, I think about, you know, your experience. Now, your experience was in the LBL, Tennessee side, right? Or was it Kentucky side? Right on the edge. Right on the Tennessee side.

Yeah. Yes. Your experience in 93 with the dog man, like, I don't know, because I know you told me beforehand about kind of like the rules you set up with your children after that experience about there navigating the woods. Yes. What would your, what would your, I don't know, like, Like, just think about what if you weren't there with a hunting partner, but you were there with your son?

Like, do you think the whole scene would have played out differently because you actually have your son there to protect and not just another man with you? I have relived that many times because my son and I would hunt in another location. As he was growing up, we would hunt at Cheatham Wildlife Management Area. And then we had an encounter that I basically snatched him up. And he was quite young. And I snatched him up and we left the area. And I actually left behind a ground blind. And he couldn't understand what I had done.

But I had seen something in the woods. And he was within 50 yards of me. And so I made a decision that because he's with me, I'm going to get him out of the woods and protect him. But yeah, oh, yeah, that would be any father's nightmare with what you went to, Matt, with your son. And it's right there. And then the things that you and I have spoke about. But, yeah, I mean, that's, that would be an incredible father's nightmare right there with your children.

Yeah, because, I mean, when you came in here, you asked my son something about going out in the woods with dad. And I said, nope, we don't do that yet. Because, like, I think about that stuff. And it's honestly, I mean, I don't want to be in a position where he, he, I would feel incredibly guilty because like, I know what's out there. And I know specifically this area. So like if we're talking about going in the woods, I got the mountains right here. I'm going to go to the mountains with my son. And I know what's out there.

I know what Scott Carpenter filmed several times in these mountains. I've been to the location where the portal bubble opened up. that entity started manifesting. I know where that's at. And if I'm in these woods where that happens and it happens to my son, and I could have prevented it by not acting like an idiot and just taking him out into the woods when I know what's out there, I don't know if I could, if I'd ever be able to forget myself for that. You wouldn't be able to live with that.

And you're a very educated man and you have to go back to Father's Day of 1969. if I've got that correct, when Dennis Martin disappeared. Was it on a few miles? It was on Father's Day. They would make their annual pilgrimage every Father's Day weekend, and whenever it failed, and they would go up into the Smokies and the Spence Field. And so, you know, I'm not saying anything trying to make it worse, but, I mean, look at Matt.

His son is outside, and he's working, and, you know, know, it's an incredible time of night or morning. And, you know, you're in bed and you can't hear, really. And the same thing for me or any other hunter that you just turn your back for a moment. And you have your son or your sibling. A lot of hunters will hunt with their brothers and their uncles. And, oh, yeah, it's a father's worst nightmare. It really is.

And, you know, I, I'm sitting here thinking. how soft am I? How soft are we that we say we're terrified, yet again, the Cherokee lived in these woods with their kids? Like, they're just like, no, this is just what we deal with, you know? It's because, I mean, you know, even the Cherokee taught their children not to be out at a certain time and not to whistle in the woods. And you go back to the nun to hay,

and you go back to all the stories of children being let off into the woods and never found again. So even the Cherokee armed their children up and taught them what to do, the things that they could go, the places in areas that they were to stay away from that belong to the Slope and Giant or the Harry Man. Yeah. I made the image behind us specifically with this witch here. And I think that's on there. Yep, it's on there. And I don't know what the spear finger witch looks like, but I gave her spear fingers. because that looks awful close to me as close as I ever want to see to your family.

Yeah, that's enough for me. But she's a Cherokee legend. And actually, I don't know the specific landmarks, but I know Marival, this specific area is a landing spot for her of what she roams theoretically back and forth. So it's like I think from what I remember, I'm probably wrong. I'm probably wrong, but I'm going to say anyways. I think as far as I can remember, Speerfinger travels the mountain range up to here,

but goes all the way far south as like the Georgia border, I think it is. But there's this entity that the Cherokee talked about, you know? And it's, you know, I just not a good guy. I don't want to run into the Spear finger. No, no. Even that, you know, with the things I've seen in the woods, even as much as January the 17th when we had an encounter. But when I look at that, dog man, Bigfoot,

I don't want nothing to do with Miss Spearfinger at all. Yeah, no, I mean, that scares me worse. But I mean, like, Miss Spearfinger, I mean, it's probably Lilith. It probably is an archetype of Lilith. I mean, so Lilith has been the theory that I choose to believe the most. is Bo from the Bump podcast believes that Lilith has a territorial reign over Appalachia. And he's dealt with Lilith personally in a very intimate way.

I mean, Lilith has gotten a hold of his daughter. His daughter will not talk to him anymore. I think if I, I'm pretty sure his daughter went down the route of worshipping Willis. And when you start diving into Appalachia lore, these men, mountains up into West Virginia, you see signs of Lilith throughout the culture. And my buddy, Ward He has a docu-series called Dark Holler, and it documents a family's journey through this idea. And it all started with the one girl in the family. She was a witch, and she became a Christian, and she went to the river to get baptized by the pastor,

who is a friend of mine and wards. This is before Ward ever did a documentary. The pastor, I don't even know if the pastor, Josh Robinson, if he ever even, like, believed in demonic possession, but he calls Ward after the baptism. Thank you. I wanted to say exorcism and says,

I think I might have been involved in an exorcism. And when that girl went down, something came out of her. And so Ward goes down to document, and he thought it would be like a 15-minute video that he was making because he's very talented. He used to work for Glenn Beck at the Blaze. He goes down and just turns into this six-episode docu-series where he started documenting the famous journey.

You know, not all signs, but signs do point back to Lilith and Lilith being entrenched in that area. And I think that that's just one family story of probably many people who are dealing with entities that trace back to Lilith, an archetype of Lilith. I can tell you, when I moved here, Lilith was not on the radar for me when I moved here. This is four years ago. I don't even know if I talked about Lilith on the show to that point. And one of the images that Lilith will portray herself as is a woman dressed in white, long black hair, which we hear about that and we see it a lot in horror movies, like The Ring and was it Grudge? Is that a grudge? That's a Lilith type.

Well, we're here. We just move into the house. It's a new house. which was crazy back then if the market, I couldn't, I was getting outbid on, I would put a bid on the house and somebody outbid me by $100,000.

I'm like, this is crazy. And somehow I bought this house for $5,000 less and what it had appraised at. Now I know why. Ricky. Yeah. Get my pie. Get the pine cone off my driveway, man. But, but so it's,

But it was in the middle, it was almost being done. It was being built. And we move in. And Lindsay has, Lindsay's known to have these, like, lucid dreams. And she had this dream where she walked across the house into my daughter's bedroom. And she said, if I remember correctly, everything was set up the same in my daughter's bedroom, except for maybe like the bookshelf was on the other side of the room. But everything was, and that's typical with lucid dreams.

Lucid dreams, you walk in and you recognize a place. It's identical. You feel like you're actually there. It's more real than here, real. But there's little things that are a little different. So she walks in my daughter's room and there is a woman in a white gown, long hair, like a googly, like a hag almost, standing over my daughter's bed. And so, like, was that Lilith? I don't know.

I don't know. but the way she described it sounds like it. And the more I've talked about Lilith and understood what is in this area as far as a very dark old principality, the more I think maybe it was Lilith. And I don't know why she had that experience. I can tell you that after that my daughter had a very radical experience in her bedroom. that would, I wouldn't want to tie it to Lilith because I know what it came from. We were under some really heavy spiritual warfare, dark attack that week off of an episode that we released.

But something manifested in my daughter's bedroom. I was on the other side of the wall when it happened. I heard my daughter whimpering. I was in the room minutes after it happened. And what she described, I don't understand what she said. I literally to this day don't understand what she saw. And I dare not bring it up to her to remind her of what she saw. Maybe when she's older, if she remembers, she can describe it to me better.

But something was standing in the corner of her room. And I'm almost in tears listening to this. Yeah. Almost in tears, man. I hate telling. I don't know why I tell her. I started telling a story. It needs to be told because there are.

other people who are listening to you right now that are having some of the same attacks in their home and they need to know as well. Martin, this is my job, man. He's doing good. I'm supposed to, I'm supposed to be coaching people up that way. Straight up, straight up, straight up real quick. Well, not real quick. My son's issues. Sometimes I believe they are because of what I do. He had the experience. He's dealing with that experience. But my continuation in the experience allows that to continue. I had a member whose daughter was killed in a car wreck.

She was told she needs to get away from this because this is what caused it. I know several people, you know several people, who have lost children. children for whatever reason because they're into this. Well, that's kind of like you put two and two together. I know you're having issues at home. And I don't want to, I don't want to seem rude or crud or crows. But when I heard about the situation in your home with your wife, that's the first thing I thought. It's, it's attack.

It's spiritual attack. Yeah, it's spiritual warfare for sure. Yeah, and it's not the fact that she's ill. I mean, people get ill. People have problems, but this is different. Yeah. There's a specific reason these things happen to people. It's because we're digging into things that they don't want us digging into.

Yeah, the period, when my wife got diagnosed with breast cancer, like, that was a, like, I'm literally, I was at the, I mean, I mean, I guess throughout time, I would say I'm still in the beginning stages, but I was like literally in the beginning stages of stepping into ministry, literally in the beginning stages of starting to preach, literally doing things that was me going absolutely on the offensive to the kingdom of darkness. Like I was in a mindset and I still am where I was like, I, I am 100% convinced that this stuff is real. And because it's real, I'm not going to be quiet about it. And I'm going to point people back to the cross. And that is like the absolute strongest weapon I could have. And it's literally just fulfilling the Great Commission of what Christ call us to do. And so when that happens, you know, she gets diagnosed with cancer.

I don't even think it's like a week later. My dad has a heart attack. And like there's like just this stuff that I started seeing a pattern where it was like, because I don't really waver on my commitment to, this is my interpretation, I could be wrong, but because I don't waver on my commitment to sharing this stuff, this truth of the supernatural realm, whether it is Bigfoot dogman,

not sold that Black Panthers are supernatural, but maybe. Maybe, maybe. But to the supernatural witches, beings, all that stuff, I know it puts a target on the back. But what else are you supposed to do? Keep your mouth shut? You have a platform that is huge. Somebody like me, I talk to my friends about this kind of stuff. I'll sit and talk to Martin about this stuff.

I'm not a big threat. This is a threat. This is threatening those that are out there. You're a threat to this principality. Think of the people that you have led to Christ. I was weak in my spiritual where I stood until I came and started to listen to you. And I was almost ready to quit in 23 and 24. But I began to listen to you.

And I knew this platform was so important that you lead others and talk and educate other people that I knew. where you were headed per se if you don't mind me saying that but you are such an important figure that they have come against you to attack you to silence you and to stop your program and to stop you personally

I mean you're a very important man I didn't know that I thank you for sharing that because I didn't know that the show had that kind of an impact on you your show had a huge impact I would not be here if it was is not for you, period. Wow. First time I met you,

I looked in your eyes when I told you what I told you, and I said, this guy thinks I'm crazy. Because this is what I said. I said, Tony, I started praying to God because I had done this for so long, the Bigfoot thing. I said, God, I want to see.

I want to see. And I would say that every day. And then one day, I turned on the confessionals and blurry creatures. I didn't see. Bigfoot, but I see. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. I see the darkness that you're fighting against that I see every day. I see what happens. I got a little job working weekends with the public. I see darkness across my path every day. A lot of people are happy and a lot. They have joy. They have

peace. But sometimes they come in, they have that look in their eye. I mean, they might be looking for answers. And then again, there may be something looking out from behind those eyes that none of us in here could deal with. So, I mean, it's the fact that God sends you what we need, you know, and he sent the confessionals. I mean, I'm not blowing smoke. And it just happened because I wasn't looking to hear things about spiritual warfare. I was looking for Bigfoot.

Yeah, and I mean, I can, you say God send. And it's like literally that that right there is the root of what I do, which is why I I operate in a way that I do. I don't really walk around in fear. I mean, I can't say I haven't been nervous at times, you know. But I don't walk around in fear because I 100% know and I'm convinced that the only reason why this show exists is because literally God called me to do it. Like people say, oh, man, you're hearing voices.

Say whatever you want. I didn't audibly hear a voice. When you spend time with God, you learn to hear his voice. And I heard the voice of God driving a tractor trailer and told me that I was going to start a podcast and told me that I was going to work with Wes German from Sasquatch Chronicles, who was not my friend. I had never talked to before. I had to listen to his podcast, but I didn't know the man.

And I was a truck driver, and that's all I wanted to be. That's what I did. My dad's a truck driver. I'm going to be a truck driver. And on weekends, I'm going to complain about truck driving. That's what I, you know. And a month later goes by and I back my trailer into the dock at work. It's like eight something at night.

I'm getting ready to go home. And my Facebook messenger starts ringing and it's Wes German from Sasquatch Chronicles. Calls me out of the blue. I still, to this day, don't totally understand why he called me. I assume he saw my Facebook groups. I had a Facebook group called, what was it called? Pennsylvania Sasquatch Research. And that was my early attempt to trying to find other people who know about

Bigfoot that I could learn from and turned into a group where they were asking me questions. Like I don't freaking know. I don't know. But I can only imagine he, that's where he found me. In our first conversation, he's telling me, hey, I think you'd be a good podcaster. And for me, that was confirmation of what the Lord spoke to me a month before. And anybody could ask Lindsay. Lindsay remembers the night that I came home and told her what I felt God telling me because I was in a habit of telling her. You know, if God's speaking to me, I tell my wife so that she's my witness for when it happens. Yeah, I mean, at the very root of this show, it was a calling that I deeply believed in and knew that I was, it was going to happen. And the more time went on, the more I treated it like I do now where it's like, this is the battlefield I'm on, you know?

And, you know, I just a few weeks ago, I think I told these guys this, I haven't said this publicly because it's not really something to boast about. but since we're in this conversation and Martin, you mentioning about how the show has impacted you personally. You get emails over the years from people. There's a running folder that I think I haven't checked it recently, but I'm assuming it's still there where Lindsay

and the other people would put, you know, really kind emails that I get so that if I were needed encouragement, I could just dive into that folder and read some emails. A lot of are people who are saying, like, you know, because of the show, they rededicate their life to crime, or they came in their relationship with Christ.

Just recently, a few weeks ago, I got a DM from a guy. And I don't check my DMs a lot, but I checked this one. And I forget all the details, but he said that he's Muslim. And he, I forget the family story, but he's Muslim. And he said, from listening to my show, he's now reconsidering if he's, I guess, in the right faith. And he's looking into Christianity and who Christ is.

And so I just told him, I sent him a voice memo because that really impacted me a lot. I'm like, how is this podcast reaching people in a way where like that, you know? And I just told him, I said, listen, man, don't listen to me. Don't listen to the pastors online.

Don't listen to the people at your mosque. If you're seeking this truth and on this journey, I said, just go to the Bible, get a Bible, open it up to the book of John. I always recommend people to start in John. And I just told him, I said, before you start reading it, just whether you believe there's anybody listening or not, you believe in Allah, just pray that God, if this is truth, reveal yourself to me as I read this. And you start reading the book of John. It might be a little bit of a setup because in the very first chapter it says in the beginning was the word,

the word was with God, the word was God. Like it's talking about Jesus being literally the words that you're reading. But I told him I said, just ask the Holy Spirit to reveal himself to you and then just start reading. I don't need to do anything from there. Nobody else does either. That's now, now you're God's problem. And he'll take care of the rest, you know? But yeah, I mean, it's crazy that all that starts from the podcast. I want to tell you something and I want, I want the listeners to hear you. This is supposed to be a hot shot, the hotspot show. I want you to know this publicly. No matter what films, no matter what documentaries,

over 200 podcasts of people that I didn't even appear, all these people and Monster Quest. No matter where I have appeared, I want you to know that the people search me out because, For typical response, Mr. Groves, I saw you on the confessionals with Tony Merkel. I want you to know, and I've had this more than one time, I want you to know that I was non-Christian. I was dealing with entities. I was dealing with dog man.

But I was suicidal. Overdose. This, that the story repeats over and over. to this very week one day before I come to see you. One day a gentleman contacted me out of California and stated to me, Mr. Groves, I just now found you, and it was via Tony Merkel. Wow. And I've been listening to Tony Merkel.

I cannot turn my YouTube channel off. I can't stop watching. My point is this. You have reached millions. You look at the views just what you got on, just this one little fat guy right here. Go back and look at it to millions, and it's millions. But the message is clear. Christ is the answer, and you're the ones that are leading them and making them think

and giving them another idea that Christ is the answer. And I want you to know that. I appreciate it. I appreciate it. Yeah, I think this, whatever field we're in, I don't even know what to call this. you know because i don't call my show a paranormal show i'd call it more of a supernatural show but i just feel like traditionally um people who deal with this stuff the hauntings uh the torment seeing cryptids like there's not traditionally up till you know last 10 years or so there hasn't been

a group of people i'm not even saying i'm a group of people but just there hasn't been um they haven't been on, you know? Like, it's just like, that's weird, you're weird. And there's no consideration that maybe somebody's going through a spiritual attack. And the more I've done the show, the more I started, the line just started blurring for me. And I'm like, I think a lot of this is connected. Very much so. I, I, I'm going to try to bring this back into the topical conversation because I, I, I don't want to make this, this, the,

the rest of this live about the show and all that. I'll finish my story and then we'll go from there, I guess. Just so people understand it. Because we kind of dropped off there, the attack on my daughter, right? One, I say, like, it's warfare. Like, that's the way I've approached my life now. Like, I mean, when you're in war, bad things can happen, you know? And so I only engage in warfare because I know the one that put me on the battlefield.

My daughter, she says she saw something. I'll just leave it at that because I don't have a clear picture as to exactly what she saw. I'm not going to prod her. Something was standing in the corner of her room at the very moment that really bad things were happening in my life, like to the second attacks. And she said it stretched across her bedroom is what I understand it to be. In my mind, it didn't move. It stretched across the bedroom to her. She said like a straw.

And she said, and she's five. And when it happened, I think she was three. So her verbiage is, you know, going to be. And she said, it spoke to her. And that's the thing that made me mad. Like the whole thing makes me mad But that set me off Because she said it asked

It said What's your name? And And I was like To me that felt like The enemy was putting a mark On my daughter And it's like

You know It was like a leveling up Of the attack, right? And since then she hasn't had any experiences or bad things happen But I can tell you That was a marking point where another, there's been so many transition periods in my show and my life because of the show,

but that was very much a transitional point where like that's on the level of Lindsay getting diagnosed with cancer. Like the gloves came off and I was like, okay, if we're going to do this, we're going to go hard. And I, um, the next day, I just sent Lindsay out of the house with Gemma and I went through that house. I mean, I had, I prayed all over that house. I always say that the house was dripping an oil. It was very oily. No ditty. No ditty. Bad joke. Is that bad joke, Jack? No. Okay. Jack Shooka said, no. I don't know if that was in disapproval. But I prayed a lot of my, over the house. I anointed it. And that was the beginning stages of me just really another level of purposeful prayer, you know? Like it was like you go from praying

to like praying with very, at the time, odd specifics. You know, and now it's just natural. Like, I didn't do this beforehand, but now I do when I'm praying. I'm literally inviting God's angels into my home. You know, like, if you want to say the enemy's legalistic, then I got to approach the same way with the heavenly armies as well. And so I just want it to be known that you are welcome in my house. to protect me and my family from any harm. And I constantly pray that. And after I invite them in my home,

I also suggest, like, you can also stay outside the home and border my property so nothing can cross my property lines. But if they do, you're in here too, you know? And I, and I, I, when I say I invite the angels, I'm not praying to angels. I pray to the Lord to send his angels. I'm kind of very particular on some of that stuff. I don't, I don't pray to angels. I pray to God. I think there's a reason why you see angels, the imagery in the Bible, they ascend to heaven, and then they descend. And I think they take our prayers to the Father, and then he gives the permissions.

And they come back to fulfill his will, not ours. So anyways, should we talk about Bigfoot or something? Well, interesting correlation. So if we're talking about like Spear Finger and like you mentioned a White Witch, do you remember the Sasquatch Chronicles episode with the two brothers? I think they were in Oregon. Yeah. And then they had all these crazy Bigfoot encounters going on, like really, like level 10.

And then one day they actually see a woman in white running down the field. And was there a correlation directly to Bigfoot with that? Do you remember? You know, I don't remember if there was a direct correlation, but I think that they also had orbs in the property. Okay. So, like, I feel like that was a long time ago. I mean, we're talking like probably episode 100, 200, something like that.

he, I believe that was one of the first, I believe, I can't speak for him, but I think that was like a transitional point for West where he started realizing that there are connections here between Bigfoot and other stuff. And I think that's the same conclusion the brothers came to to the point that they're like, we're not talking about this anymore. Yeah, they thought the white lady that they saw in the daytime was actually like somehow manifesting the bigfoot's to the property that she was like the witch in control of the activity going on in the house. And so I just want to throw that back to you, like these entities. Have you guys ever encountered anything where there's like other aspects, other entities involved with Bigfoot in your research and things that you guys have done? I have not. I mean, you go back to the talking when I was young. A little while after I got married, I know that my wife told me that one of her grandparents died in the home we were living in.

And I did have a sleep paralysis. And I could almost swear that there was somebody there. but I didn't see anything. But as far as other aspects when it comes to Bigfoot, I have heard stories. Of course, things have been said. People have told me things, but I haven't myself encountered anything like that. So many direct correlation of either Spearfinger or the possibility of the Lady in White. I won't use the person's name because I don't really feel like I have the, it is in one of my

books. But I'll just tell you that Joe Doyle of Helbin Holler went face to face with the woman in white and land between the lakes. And there have been other people as well. And what I have seen is a direct correlation with that it's almost as if the lady in white or the woman in white was directing whatever entity or attack, whether if it be dogman or Bigfoot, because they're both seen in the same area, as well as I many times spoke of Bigfoot directing the dogman or werewolf. So, yes, I do believe in what you're saying. I believe there's a direct attachment between the woman in White or Spearfinger and these entities, no matter what they are. I mean, your experience that spawned everything in 93, I mean, in the same experience,

You have Dogman, which is heavily focused on by many people. But it's, I don't know, maybe this is my perspective. But it feels like it often gets glossed over that Bigfoot was there that night as well. Like, I mean, it's part of the story. It's just Dogman was the actionable point of the story. Like, it was crazy what happened, right? But even as you tell the story, it's like Bigfoot was like this almost like side character that just left your head scratching. like, what were you doing here, you know?

But it, like, from my perspective, it feels like when you had that encounter in the land between the legs and you had all this action happening around you, it was like Bigfoot was not just stumbling across the scene. No. It arrived with purpose, whatever that purpose was, whether it's just a monitor what was what was happening. But it was there in conjunction. it was there.

It was, it was, they, they were there together. Yes. And it's just like got the bank robber and the one who drives the car. Yes. You know, it's like they're both the robbers, but one is doing the robbing. The other one's doing the escaping and the escape car, right? And I'm not saying Bigfoot is going to carry dogman away. Hop on my back, buddy.

Yeah. But it's just like they, they arrived together with purpose and each one had a separate job to do. Over the years, this long road that I've went down, what I've been educated on by others, not just my own conclusion. The Bigfoot are actually used, they use Dogman or the Werewolf as if it is, you and I would go coil hunting and we would have our bird dogs with us. And in so many different investigations, and plus what I've seen, Bigfoot. does call call and he he directs everything per se like a movie director and it's pretty scary thoughts when you when you consider that we have so many missing people in the national parks and recreation areas throughout america or the scene plays out in the worldwide you know worldwide

scene so i do believe bigfoot does uh direct or order these these dog man or as we We spoke off camera, the Anubis, these entities that are always seen around graveyards. You know, I referenced this at times, and I, and Jack, if you can make a note of this, I have to look this up. And I keep turning this way. Am I really not looking at, am I doing bad with the camera work today? Okay, I'm sorry. It's way too late for that. Yeah.

The look on his face. Yeah, I'm sitting here like this talking. You had the look, I'm sure. My bad. Shoot, I forget what I was going to say. Oh, we had a member's episode. I can never remember 100% of details or even what episode it was. But I remember it was a guy in Canada,

and there was two episodes I did with him about these dreams that he was having that I don't believe what we were true. I was talking about before with you guys. It just felt like. he was having an experience beyond the dream realm. He took a right instead of a left, you know? And he's interacting with an upright standing dog, I believe. I believe it was an upright standing dog.

And it's talking with him and sharing with him the history of its existence. And the way it was talking to him, it was like it's, it was telling the story of Genesis, the rebellions, the co-mingling. And I remember telling him, I was like, you realize this sounds like out of scripture, the Bible, Genesis, the Nephilim? And he goes, no, I never thought about that. I was like, how did you not think about that, you know? But I remember it's talking about how there was a ward with other entities.

and it's not the only source that I have, but it is something that it's an idea that I do consider strongly, the idea that though there are entities that fallen angels rebelled against God, a third of the angels, that's millions. We're talking about millions of angels rebelled. Within that rebellion, I just cannot not believe that there are egos involved, and there are warring fractions within that rebellion.

And you have one end, like, I don't know, like I imagine in World War II, you know, you're going against the Nazis, but the countries that are going against Nazis, some of me, you know, it's like, okay, I'll put up with you because we've got to go get this guy, you know, but like, we're not that great, you know. The Russians.

There you go. Yeah. And so it's like, what, that's a great example. Thank you. Thank you. But, I mean, I imagine it's similar in the spiritual realm, as well with this stuff. And he said this thing was telling him

that it warred with another entity that was more like a cat entity. And then there was this great shifting of the land and the seas came and split them. And the way he was laying it out, I was like, what do we have over across the Atlantic Ocean? You have the Middle East.

And that's gin country. And a lot of times they say, the gin will appear as a Black Panther or a cat entity. And I'm like, we got dogman over here. I don't think of myself, man, was this guy like having an interaction with an ancient entity laying out the history of what happened with it, it's kind, you know? And I just remember doing that story and thinking, there are so many parallels to what I'm talking about. and this guy was not picking it up.

Like when I was, like, I mean, I'm sure he did once I mentioned it, but like before I brought up, I just remember him saying, he was a pause and he goes, you know, I never thought about that. I was like, whoa, okay. Do you recall that episode? 626. What was it called?

Crypted, oh, you did. Okay, so the people know and I don't. But cryptid wars and cosmic revelations. Make sure you, like, I got to remember to pull that episode. I got to go over that again, both of them because it was two-parter, right? Jack said, yeah, two-parter.

So I got to go over that episode again because I feel like there's nuggets in there that I don't even get yet, you know? Always go back. Yes. Yeah. And that's one thing with like what we do here within this house of Merkel Media and the professionals,

it's like, dude, I got coming up on 900 episodes of work. Like, that's a lot to comb through. And somehow I got to figure out how to start combing through some of the old stuff because sometimes I'll I'm across an old episode and I'll hear something. I'm thinking, oh my gosh, that went right over my head. Now I get it, you know? Like this one lady years ago, I talked to her.

And she just real briefly, I mean, I'm talking, she glossed over it about how, like, she's talking about her abduction situation. And she said on the front lawn was a UFO that looked like an egg. And it was sitting on like these legs. but the shape of it looked like an egg. And I was like, huh, all right, so tell me about the entities. And I'm just going totally, didn't even consider the shape of it. And now, like, the egg-shaped UFO, one is part of disclosure now.

It's the Jake Barber stuff, right, and how he has that video of the recovery and all that. But even to the occultic side of it, the Amalancho workings and the fact that lamb, the entity that looks like an alien came out of a shape of an egg, a form of an egg. Now, many other people like Isaac Wysop and Joel Thomas can tell that stuff way more than I can. I'm not an expert in anything. But the fact that the egg shape is associated with the occultic nature of the Amalancho workings that has an entity calling itself lamb that looks like a gray entity, a gray alien. And I'm just like, okay, I'm not good at math. I'm really not. But one plus one, I think is two, right?

So it's just like things like that just went over my head. And now you look back on it. You're like, man, I should probably just listen to my entire art. I won't because I don't, I hate listening to myself talk. And so that's asking me to just, you know. It is hard to go back and listen to yourself. I very seldom do it. But unless somebody calls my attention is, hey, you remember what that thing look like or something, you know.

Yeah. It's hard to go back and listen to yourself. Do you guys think that there's like an aspect? of these like old witchcraft that kind of maybe like feeds some of these like paranormal activities in this area like this mountain witch doctor aspect like these because we know that there's like real old occult activity you know especially out here by the smokies and probably all throughout Tennessee I can mention this I watch a lot of YouTube so I know a lot about nothing but anyway you watch these shows that talk about the Appalachian Mountains and in a scientist

realm of things. They say that America broke off from England and all that's many, many, many years, I'm going to say. But that the Scottish Highlands used to be part of the Appalachian chain. And when the Scottish and Irish came over here to escape the English and all that was going on there, they supposedly brought their spirits with them. Yeah. They're gods.

You know, the fairies and some of these leprechauns and all these other things that they had these beliefs in. And that may be part of this whole thing that's going on in the Appalachian Mountains. You speak about the witchcraft aspect of it. When I think of witchcraft, anything and everything that's not Jesus Christ to me is witchcraft. I don't care of what they call themselves. But when you think, you go back, you mentioned druids earlier with this whatever, it was you saw in your experience. Now, the druids were supposedly this big deal over there in that area in England and Ireland and Scotland and there's there's energy over there that while I don't

believe in the millions and millions of years idea of creation, I believe that there is a time frame for mankind. We started at a particular place. And I'll leave that there because I don't know anything either. But when they came over here, they brought their stuff with them. And that stuff is now part of us. It's in the Appalachians. And even though most people don't believe it anymore, it was still left out in those woods. And it's still doing what it's doing. It's still out there looking for somebody to believe in them, perhaps. You know, I know the Bible talks about false gods. And I've always been taught in church that, you know, and I understand. And I understand. understand. There is only one God. And I understand that completely. But there are these beings who call themselves God. And people worship these beings who call themselves God. And they call them gods. And they're not idols of brass and idols of wood. They are existing beings. They are entities. They're entities that control nations and control parts of nations, control certain aspects of land and properties. I think I was listening to you when you were.

talking to the dude that had something to do with Anton LeVay's daughter. Oh, do you remember that? Yeah, and they were traveling through a certain area, and the doors of their vehicle came open, and they were having this battle with this entity that said, this is my place, you can't be here because it knew who she was. That's, I mean, that sounds extremely crazy, but there's all this stuff that you can read and hear about, and that, like certain cities. I mean, look at New York City.

I mean, there's some evil going on in that town. And it's not necessarily just the people that are living there. They're under the bondage of sin and the enemy. That's what's going on in their lives. But there are things there that are making that happen. And I think that's just, it's the same kind of thing here. You brought up this idea of, like, people bringing things from faraway lands. And that's something that I've talked about.

with a lot of traditions, Eastern European traditions that were brought here. And I think we just talked about this not too long ago on the show about this, because I remember you saying religious freedom, like this was a place of religious freedom. And it was like, we're going to bring

our religion. And it's like the hexing and all that stuff. That's old German. There was, and I think they were German too, the Moravians. Were they German? Do you remember? I think the Moravians were German, but the Moravians, if I remember the timeline, right, they stemmed from like eastern Pennsylvania, Bethlehem area,

and then they came down to Georgia, I believe, or might have been flip, but they wind up in the mountains of the Smokies, the Smoky Mountains, North Carolina side, and there's a place called Moravian Falls. And there's a lot of supernatural thing. that happened at Moravian Falls because of what the Moravians did there. Now, I'm talking like good, theoretically, good things,

but the idea was that they did, I believe it was, I want to say it was a hundred days of prayer or maybe a year of prayer, but it was non-stop prayer. Somebody was up at the top of this, and you guys were there, so I'd like to hear what your perspective,

but the, there was always somebody praying and the belief is that because then angels started appearing and portals to heaven, let's call it, opened up and it became

a soft spot, a veil spot, a thin veil location between here and the other side, right? And these angels were appearing, I think miracles were happening and it was because of human activity long drawn out

dedicated human activity to a certain cause. Now, this cause was prayer to God, and it wear the veil thin, for lack of better terms. I don't think that, you know, they... I mean, maybe I don't know, but the veil became thin, and supernatural activity started happening there. So the opposite can happen, too,

where people who have other practices throughout over extended period of time create a thin veil location where nefarious things can be popping through. And if this area historically has that attached to it, then what we could be experiencing in this area of East Tennessee, Tennessee, Appalachia area is a result of hundreds of years of practices that brought things in, just like the Moravians did with the angels. What do you have, Derek?

Because I know you're itching on something. No, no, no, no. I was just trying to look. I thought it was 100 years. I thought they like literally prayed 100 something. Yes, we got a thumbs up from the producer. Yeah. Yeah, so they prayed like nonstop for 100 years.

And then essentially like in the evangelical side of Christianity, we think that like that opened up a portal for the angels to ascend and descend essentially. We created like a great space for healings and for encounters with angelic beings. But I agree with you like on the opposite side of that. If we're doing all these other rituals and things of that nature, is it creating like these other gateways for these entities to begin to maybe be more seen, be more evident to us in the physical realm. Are we creating the energy necessary for them to basically engage with our dimension more, more regularly? I mean, I had a personal experience when I moved down to Tennessee. My wife was working

at a gym and she became friends with this one lady. All of a sudden, like, over the course of the months, my wife, we started really getting in big fights. We started like totally changed. Like her whole demeanor changed. Her theology was changing her Christian theology. Like everything was going really crazy. And I remember I was like, I was just so desperate. I got to my face and I started praying.

And so I like I prayed and I just, I was like an hour. I just kept praying and praying and praying and praying. And then the Lord's like, pray against Jezebel. And I was like, okay, I'll pray against Jezebel. So I prayed against Jezebel because I was reminded of Galatians, like, you know, foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you? right? There's a bewitching that can happen, you know, over, over our minds. So, uh, I pray, she comes home from work and she's back to herself. And I'm like, oh my gosh. Like,

hallelujah. Like things were starting to mend back. She's like, her personality's back. Like, she's like kind of falling away. Like she's understanding that toxic environment she was working in. Well, the next day, we have a dinner. And it was her friend from the gym. So we go to the dinner. And, you know, nothing too crazy. We're just having dinner with her. and her husband. I end up after dinner, I go sit and I'm talking to her husband. And oh, we met. I used to be a missionary, you know, with my parents and we were in South Africa. I randomly met her, blah, blah, blah. And then he starts making these little, like, nuanced things. He's like, you know, she's like the most powerful spiritual person I've ever known. And I'm like,

what do you mean by that? Because that's not Christian lingo, right? So I start prying. I start asking questions. And then, of course, listening to this show, you kind of know, like, know how to, like, asked the right questions, he ends up admitting to me that she is a priestess of Jezebel and has an altar to Jezebel in the basement where Jezebel physically appears to her and she's allotted, like, powers and abilities because of that. And it's just so wild, like, how God confirmed all of that, literally within 24 hours. And I'm like, again, I'm from, like, Western New York. Like, you know, like, there's, like, witchcraft. there's stuff like that. But like, dude, right? Like, again, like, maybe tying in with the show,

like, we got witchcraft too. We got witchcraft too. Yeah. But, like, tying it into the show again, like, you know, like, I wasn't on the show yet, but, like, I felt like God was calling me to be a part of the show. That, like, I was here to, like, gird up Tony and to strengthen him for this walk in the spiritual warfare. And so, like, for the enemy to come at me and just literally throw the priestess of Jezabel directly in my family line and to, like, crux it all up. But again, like, the spiritual energy here, like it ties all of it together. Like there's really dark things right under our noses working against us believers, against all of us.

And I think Bigfoot and all that, I think are just there, they're spiritual little tentacles of the main that are working and infiltrating our realm. Yeah. I got side. I've heard this story before and I'm glad you shared it. I did get sidetracked while he was telling it because I wanted to look up this area and the different principalities.

that are here, and I brought up Moravian Falls. And it's going to bug me if I didn't bring it up. I don't know if I've ever mentioned this guy on the show. If I did, probably not by name. But his name is Gary Beaton, B-E-A-T-O-N. And there's a video of him somewhere on YouTube talking about this where him and his wife are looking for property in Moravian Falls area because of the spiritual connection that's there,

the thin veil or whatever. he said that he was walking around a property with his realtor. And he said they walk and they enter into something. And he said everything changed. Like they clearly cross a threshold of some kind. You could feel it. And he, and I forget all the details of it, but it's just very apparent. and he says to his realtor something very general.

I don't know how much he told his realtor what he's, why he wants to move here, you know? Like, that's not what I would tell my realtor. Like, I'm looking for portals, so I'm looking for property, help me out. But he acknowledges the environment changed, and she said, we just entered a portal. And so, like, he was like, taken, sold, I'll buy this property, you know?

But yeah, so, I mean, that's Moravian Falls because of human activity over 100 years of prayer. And I just feel like this area has a lot. And also, the more you learn about this area, it feels like there is, this is like a melting pot within a melting pot, you know. And this area has so many different people and lineages from different parts of the world that have different practices that were brought here. and I think that there's there could be a reason that that might be a reason why there's so much diversity of experiences and entities and and things in this area. Like if you think about, and maybe it's because I live here, but if you think about like Washington State, if you're thinking cryptids and stuff like that, you're going to think

Bigfoot, you know, and yes, I think there's probably other things in Washington State too, but that is like dominant, right? Here, I mean, take your pick and there's everything here. Like, it's just so much. And it does make you wonder, like, is it tied to human activity and what was happening for hundreds of years here? Yeah. You know, and things that we've lost contact and connection with that we just don't know anymore. You know, verbal oral tradition has kind of died off in the last hundred years, you know?

So how long has your family line been here? Do you know? Oh, my gosh. I think the first one was in the 1790s. 1790s. Yeah, and the Cedar name is kind of rare. There are only pockets of it in different parts of the country. I think up in western New York, there's a pocket.

And then, of course, East Tennessee, mostly Anderson-Rone County. And then I think there may be two or three more, but it's not a very common name. And like I say, he came from, I want to say he came from Germany. But he's doing the DNA testing, it goes all the. the way back to the possibility of Viking and Irish descent. And you can imagine how that happened if you can, you know, Vakis hit over to Ireland and they do bad things. And then here we are. So I've been listening to everybody.

And, I mean, it's just incredible stories. I mean, everything that all three of you brought up. But I thought I might add to bring it to perspective that this is not just in the, passed. It wasn't it wasn't one or two hundred years ago. Uh, something going on right now today and just a few miles from us in Pidge and Forge. Uh, one of a very incredible guy, and I know some of you have heard of a gentleman by the name of Todd. And Todd is known on YouTube channel as South Force Tent. And, uh, he tells the different stories of, uh, because his family has been in the mountains here for, for many generations.

But very recently, he had taken me up into the mountains to one of the areas before you get in the smokies. And he told me an incredible story of witchcraft and of a family that had spent many generations in an area that I should not mention. But very close to us. And they had a demonic. Yes. And they had a very definite demonic spiritual. effect from all the way from Marrival, all the way into Pigeon, Forge, and Severable. And I'm speaking within the last 10 years.

And some of that family is still alive. They still practice. And he also took me to another area where we know that an entire coven of witches live, and they own something like 60 acres. And so we have an entire practicing coven of witches. Now, we're talking about right now. Like a compound. Yes.

And so we have all of this into your melting pot and into what Matt had said about the generations of people coming. And so, yeah, it's right now today. And that's why we're facing such as the Jezebel spirit and Lilith and all this stuff. And it's very scary. Yeah. It's not unheard of. If you think about what is the enemy of Satan more than anything, it's the church. I mean, they're after us.

And how better to really figure that stuff out is to infiltrate. And I've heard all kinds of stories where people figured out that some of the old, wonderful, loving little grandmothers were going home. Yep. And sitting in a, or standing in a pentagram with candles around them and praying. That's why I don't trust Sister Anne. Sister Anne, I don't trust. And there's supposedly, and I just, I know this by what I've been told, there's a church in Anderson County that has a two-story building. And on the second floor, if you take the rug off the floor, there are scratch marks where a pentagram used to be.

At one time, there was a pentagram. Now, whether kids broke in there and did that for meanness, or if there was actually something going on on the second floor of that church. There's a story that I did years ago. I can't remember the guy's name. I know Jack, have fun sleuthing this one. Shout out if you find it. But it took place in Oregon. This guy came to talk about his experiences with the church that he was part of the ministry.

And it was dark. It was dark. And I don't remember all the details, but I do remember it was like the church, the leadership at the church was not who they were portraying themselves to be. And, you know, you kind of walk into this stuff. I think it was a member's episode, by the way.

You kind of walk into this, into churches, and you're like, you know, we're all team Jesus, right? And not only could the people attending church maybe not be team Jesus, some of them, but maybe even the church was founded by a leader that's not team Jesus. You know, it's, it's, I hate to say it, but it's possible. And we were, our church was, was hit with local pagans.

They had a pagan festival. And the week before my pastor and some other deacons at the church, just went through the park praying over the park, you know, before the pagan festival came. And the pagan festival happened to say, I think it was a Saturday. We come into church on Sunday, and there's these ashes spread across all our doorways. And, you know, could it be that they just decided to target a church down the road randomly? Sure, but that would also show their intentions.

But I lean more towards the idea that our church was targeted because there were human agents that were pushed to target it because of what the leadership at this church did the week before. And so there's, you know, it again, you could go, oh, well, it was just human pagans who decided to randomly pick a church to hit because clearly then, I mean, they had some kind of intent. Or I think more likely is there were entities that were present the day that the leadership of my church walked through praying and they prodded human agents. agents to retaliate. And the human agent didn't even totally understand why they were doing it other than they were prodded to do it. And they probably don't even know and realize they were being prodded.

We often talk about people getting these quote unquote downloads. And it's just like, oh, there's a creative idea and it turned into the Matrix. And it's like, or you were given this information. You know, like there's so many things you see in pop culture. You're like, that's actually real. And they're portraying it as science, science fiction. and it feels like the director, the person who wrote the script,

got a download from somewhere, you know, and they may not even realize they just think they're creative. You know, and it's like, hey, you are creative, but that's more than just creativity. And so I think that there's a lot of,

a lot of that kind of stuff that happens, probably not just in this area, but all over the place. And it creates a soft spot. And that's where cryptids for me, like I think the veil's thin here. And I think there's probably, a reason why cryptids are such a big thing in this area.

It's because they pop in and out a lot here. I think that they're very supernatural beings and they leave hints along the way. You mentioned about how, you know, I don't know how long we've been going, probably like an hour or two. But a while back, you mentioned about the stump and the apple. And there was, I think you said, two tracks there. Like, why? If you have an 18-inch print and you only have two,

impressions. To me, I'm like, physically, logically and physically, that doesn't make sense. And that's where the supernatural side of me comes in with, you know, that side of stuff. Now, the prints that were around that stump were they castable? No. Because what you have here at the table is something that didn't happen at your house, I guess? Not at my home. It was at the property that is.

is currently my stomping ground. So the property that's currently your stomping ground, this happened at? Yes, this track. I'll need the address. Tell the whole world the address right now. We're docks in your area. No.

Okay. I'll tell you after. Is it in East Tennessee? It's in Anderson County. Anderson County. Okay. I got the county out of them. I got the county out of them.

You did your job. So in Anderson County, Tennessee, yes. You got this print. Yes. How far from here? gosh, how far is it to my house?

25 miles maybe. Wow. That's not far. Yeah. That's really cool. Yeah. So how'd you stumble across it? And so then I want you to show people what you got.

The owner of the property, been talking to her for years. There's Bigfoot here. There's Bigfoot here. And okay. And I think I mentioned to you before the show started or I was talking to Martin about. I didn't really believe her. I thought because her kids were rowdy, and I don't mean rowdy in a bad way. They just like to play tricks on their mother.

And that's what I thought was going on for a long time. But then here recently, in the past couple of years, things have been gotten a little more crazy. There was a calf. Something was in the field with the calf. The mother cow, she was just going nuts. The calf was crying. and something was dragging that calf. And when they turned the headlights on the vehicle,

they didn't see anything, but they heard a big thud. And the next morning, when they were brave enough to go down there, they found that calf laying next to a cross-tie fence post. And whatever had killed that calf had beat its head against that post and killed it. There were no scratch marks.

There was no blood. But that calf was grave. yard dead. And she's had a horse killed. Don't know if it was a heart attack kind of thing because she did mention when she turned the horse over before they buried it, it had a big knot on its neck where it looked like its neck had been broken. Many chickens missing.

Dogs killed and left on the property. Killed and gone. Then, of course, back in February or so, she had an encounter. She actually saw one at a probably, I'd like to say about 50 yards away, but it was much close enough for her to realize who she was looking at because she did have a flashlight on it for just a few seconds. The glowing red eyes, for example. Large build with matted hair.

Couldn't really see a whole lot of its face, but you could see the eyes through the hair that was hanging over its face, that kind of thing. And she would stay in contact with me. I'd go up and talk to her. She'd say, hey, I've seen this. She'd text me. She's messaging me.

This is going on at my house right now. And I'm thinking, okay, it's 1 a.m. I need to, I'm not going. I'm just not going. And the next day, I'd go talk to her, and she would say all these things and tell me all this stuff. And then the one day she said, I think I found the track. It's okay, let's go. And we went up on the property, and there it was.

And we found another one after we, came down from casting this one. But it wasn't really castable. But it was pretty much the same size. And there were several of them down near her home that were pretty much this size. And it wasn't, and it's like you mentioned, one here, one there, randomly. I would always find one or two, but never a trackway. That's always one of the strangest thing.

Every track that I've ever found has been a single right foot. And I think the two that I found were the same one over near Oak Ridge. Wow. So we casted this one, and I was very disappointed in it because it's not what you would normally see, all these beautiful tracks that people cast, and they've got all the toes and the dermal ridges and all this stuff. And mine's got leaf clutter and all that stuff on it. But it does show a mid-tarsal break. Mm-hmm.

And again, right next to that track was a small pine tree, maybe roughly two inches in diameter with smaller limbs coming off of it. And each one of those was twisted. Just as people say they see limbs twisted. But it was a small tree. It wasn't something huge. And inside those twists were black hairs. And she and I both collected those hairs. And I still got them.

And that's, and then there have been a few other things happen up there. And she's just always talking about it. And when we get off there, I'll have to share a specific area near her place that is considered haunted. The area is considered haunted. A lot of people have died in the area. Coal mines, things of that nature. A lot of, I mean, there was a huge coal mine cave in and that killed several people. I think it was up in the teens or even more.

A lot of people died. It was considered a tragedy. There was a small incursion from miners and the United States Army in the 1800s in this area. So there's a lot of stuff, which, in my opinion, and I think yours too, thins the veil. And this thing is there too. I hate to say thing because I think they are they're not things. I don't want to be disrespectful.

I don't know who they are. Leave it to me to be disrespectful. They are. I'll go that. Whatever they are, they are. You want to show it? Sure. Yeah.

You want to show it? Let you show it. Okay. Just show. That's cool. And again, it's not very specific. It's not huge, but it has a mid-tarsal break. I think it's huge enough.

Let me pull up the monitor here so that people can see. So you can see that, there you go, that mid-tarsal break right there. And I would say this is 13 inches? It's running around about 14. You can kind of see, you can see the, I mean, people won't be able to see on camera here, but this right here is that mid-tarsal break. Yeah. I'm scared to hold it, man.

I don't want to break it. I won't break it. I don't want to break it either, but hopefully I won't. It's, I mean, as strange as it sounds, this is, this is a big deal to me. Oh, yeah, of course. I didn't find it. It should be. Yeah.

I didn't find it. She allowed me to cast it. She's allowed me to keep it. And, you know, it's a great print. It really truly is great, great. I've never got a print that I was able to cast. I don't think. Well, that's the thing about Tennessee.

It's not an easy task in Tennessee with the hardwood forest and the leaf clutter and all that. And I can show you pictures of these other ones. And like I say, I told Martin, I don't think they're, they may or they may not be. The ones I mentioned near the stump where I put the apple. I don't know for sure. But they certainly do look like them. But if you can imagine, I've got a lot of trees on my property down around Midway. and there's not a lot of grass that grows under trees.

That's just common. But there's a lot of like pieces of acorns and weeds and things like that, little gravel and stuff that kind of accumulates under these trees. And there had been a large rain, big rain come a month or so ago. And after that rain, I went down and was looking around seeing if the apple was still there. The apple's gone, but there were these impressions. Now, I've considered this and thought about this. is that if water pools on a hill, on a grade, and it pools like this, eventually one side's going to break out and it's going to roll down.

And you might get this imprint that kind of looks like a track. But the thing about it was, the largest of the tracks was sideways. And it still looked like a track. And that, to me, that, I don't know. It's kind of creepy, though, because it goes right in line with, Scott Carpenter, the incidents that he had, the experiences he had when he would go home. And I believe he told me personally, don't get too involved, they'll follow you home. Now, I've not had anything bad happen.

And like you say, and I just tell you, I do the praying too. I said, you know, protect my home, protect my property. Don't let that thing kill my dogs, that kind of stuff. State, you keep them at bay. I don't want them here. And I'll go so far as to tell you this. I speak to them. I'll sit out on my back porch.

I'll step out on my back porch at night and I say, you don't belong here. This is not your home. This is not your place. I will respect your place if you respect mine. And I've heard a lot of people talk like that. So again, as I mentioned, I think either in the beginning of the show or before we got on here, actually live, I'm not sure who or what they are. and I'm not ready to call them evil

because I would think that if they were truly darkness, there'd be a lot more of it going on. If somebody sees a Sasquatch and they live through it and they're not injured, what does that mean? And you have all these other stories of where they were benevolent and they helped people. And they, like, what's the little story about the North Carolina kid

that everybody said he hung out, That was the bear. He said it was a bear. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But bear would eat the child. Bear would tear that child to pieces. Whatever he was with didn't do that. And actually, from what I understand, it was, it got lost.

He got lost somewhere. He went in the woods somewhere and he was found somewhere else, a long way away. It sounds very similar to the missing 4-1-1 stuff, but the kid's alive. And he came out of the woods and said a bear took care of him. So I Where was I going with that? Gosh, I hate when that happens. All right.

I'm just going to start talking to see where it goes. You mentioned about how if you, you'll say like this is my property. If you don't respect my property, I want to disrespect yours. Are you willing to disrespect their property if they disrespect yours? Now, this is sarcastic.

That's a sarcastic question. in a physically frightful kind of way, no. Okay, good, because I don't know if I'd want to do that either. But, all right, so here's something, because you and I probably are definitely different in this area because I'm not, once upon a time, I was definitely more in a camp of, like, I don't know if they're all bad.

I don't know if they're bad or good. I don't know, right? but I would say because you met earlier you brought up the idea of people being evil but it depends on who you're interacting with because like if you have

a known bad guy I can't think of an example but like a known bad guy there are people around that known bad guy that don't have the perspective of the public yeah like there are people who have had great interactions with that person. That's why you hear people say,

I can't believe they would do this, you know? Yeah, I get you. And so if these things are as intelligent as we, I think we all agree with at the table and stuff, and there is a level of real intelligence there, could there be a level of willingness to go the manipulative route? Yeah. And I'm not saying that,

I don't know what I'm saying as far as, maybe that's meme that, mean that. Like, I don't know what I'm saying. But like, I'm looking at this picture of Bigfoot behind you. Yeah. And I don't think I want to say that Bigfoot is evil as a blanket statement. But I do want to acknowledge, just like I would acknowledge with demonic entities, that there are, there's manipulation that people have experienced with demonic entities to get them to do things that they normally in their sane mind wouldn't have done, right? And I would question if these things are as intelligent as we all believe they are.

And they know the truth of where they come from and what they are. Could there be a level of manipulation? And that just goes into, and I hate to bring it back around to this, but that just goes into my thought process of the ultimate thing that's going on in our daily lives. I believe that we are in war. There's a spiritual battle, and there are different agents. There are different levels to kingdoms of darkness, kingdoms of light, and could it be that there is a level of manipulation as the overarching theme of a section of this manipulative war? I don't know if that's to be true.

I don't even know if what I said makes sense. It does. Here, put your mic closer to you when they say that. Tony Merkel makes complete common sense. When I look at it, I'm speaking in a generality. Sure, sure, sure. The Bible tells us that mankind is evil. The heart of man is wicked.

Right. So even though the people at this table may not be mass murderers or people who would commit such atrocities that we can't even, I wouldn't want to speak. There's always somebody in the world that could look at us and say, you're not a good guy because of the man's standards, right? Yeah. Yeah. But we know that every one of us without Christ has the potential.

to be as evil as Adolf Hitler, or his cronies, or some mass murderer, or child killer. And that rings on me because I know that without God and the grace that he's given my life, I could be one of those people. And when you think about people in prison, are they evil? Well, no, they just messed up most of the time. People who manipulate and murder people, I start looking at the evil side of things then. why would it not be possible that in the grand scheme of creation, these beings,

these Sasquatch, are no different than we are. There are, you know, I think it's, I think David Polidus mentioned something about, they don't come to us. It's like something's holding them back.

Something does not allow them to interact with us. Maybe they, maybe a higher power is saying, you can't touch my children, that kind of thing. And I even had one guy tell me one time that a Christian cannot see Sasquatch. And I thought, well, I don't hardly believe that because I'm pretty sure my mom was a born-again child of God. And she had an experience.

A lot of people in my family have seen these things. But how is it? You know, we can, they are, if they are a people rather than some sort of animal. And on the chronicles, West talks to people all the time, said, well, it didn't look like an ape. It looked like a person. It didn't look like it looked like a hairy Native American or it looked just like a gorilla or it looked like this. They don't all look the same. You put a row of red dachshunds out here and you probably won't be able to tell them apart unless you know your dog specifically.

And they're not like that. They are all different, just like we are all different. There's a level of those beings that is more like us. And I would believe that they would have the option or the. or the choice like we talked about earlier to choose good or evil. And maybe there are those out there that are evil and then those that are not.

Yeah, so Joel. And you never know what you're going to get. It's just like with people. You don't know who you're talking to. Yeah, and there's different types of patterns that pop up with the creatures too. I mean, I don't remember where I heard this from, but I had heard that somebody had the perspective

because they had multiple experiences with these things. They noticed a trend of the red-haired ones or the ones that are a problem. And so there's different patterns you start noticing and recognizing. And I think that's to the individual and their personal experiences with it. Then I was going to say,

Joel, my friend Joel from Freed the Rabbits, uh he did an episode i think he i think he did it on our show for a christmas episode i think he called it good nephalum and i think he tackled that that idea of is it possible that the nephalum and and it's just called bigfoot a hybrid creature maybe maybe that's why some some people say they have more human looking to it maybe they maybe they are some kind of hybrid right um but he said uh his his his perspective was is a possible that Bigfoot, or not Bigfoot, Nephilim could choose to be good,

choose to want to do the right thing. And I would say that's an open-ended question because I don't think anybody really truly has an answer to that. Just like with a lot of this stuff, I mean, like this is a table of theories. You know what I mean? You said you never saw one, right? I've never seen.

Yeah, I never saw one. I was charged by an invisible force in the woods that scared the crap out of me. You never saw one, Derek, right? just heard random things. So like he saw, like Martin sees one, right? Martin, the ones that you saw that night

at the scene when you guys hit the lights on, what did what they look like? To me, they were, I can't say if they were evil or not by the general look.

Just not man, not ape, somewhere in between and just extremely fierce looking. And, you know, I'm hung in between. I highly respect what Matt says and what Derek and you say.

But I'm kind of hung in between, you know, because biblically you have to look at, even with Enoch, when he pled to actual pled case to God concerning some of the neplom. And so are they all evil? Are they good? Are there some good? I don't know. But what I saw in that field frightened me, scared me.

I wasn't at a spiritual place as I am now where I was being as strong. But what I saw was sheer evil look on the faces of these two beasts of the field, whatever name we would have to give them. but some have asked me, were they there to protect me? Or were they there to direct the dogmen and the attack? I don't know. But I did not see, per se, and you've heard me say it comically, they were not Harry and the Henderson-looking guy that, you know,

wants to sit on your front sofa. You know, that's all the way I know how to say. I mean, I, just given your, and anybody who maybe is this is your first time, seeing Martin Groves, just go to the YouTube channel, hit videos, then hit popular. And he's like the second most popular video that we have, I think. And you'll hear his whole story. But when you have that scene unfold, I mean, those things are just standing there watching it unfold.

Yeah. So if they are there to protect, they did a crappy job because literally you had to protect yourself. They didn't budge. They didn't intervene. They didn't. You didn't even see them directing. Like the other theory of them directing the scene, right? Like you didn't see them directing.

They just were existing there. They were just existing there. One thing that I had hid for many years. And, you know, I like many of you, many of you have sought out Scott and his wisdom. Scott at one point it told me not to be ashamed of mindset. speak or to speak of it publicly because that was something I did. That was the first time that I had received any type of mind speak. And in some of my interviews and when I'm talking face-to-face to people,

that was the very first authentic what I felt and what I know now was mind-speak. And the message that I received was given, go, leave now, we let you win and don't come back. and that was the Minespeak that I had received. So that kind of taught me that, you know, hey, we let you go this time. And that Minespeak has progressed over a period of 30-some-odd years now. But I perceived that night was very evil from both the Bigfoot Harry man as well as the dog man that I had encountered. I did not have a good feeling at all. these beasts were friendly.

But we go back to dozens of friends and people that I've known in the Bigfoot world. One of my great friends, I won't use his name in Texas, has two that protect him and his property in Texas. I have friends in Alabama that say that they have an old male Bigfoot on their property that actually watches over their farm and protects their animals. I mean, Janice Carter, local here. Yes. I mean, her family, from what I understand, her family had like ongoing interaction with a family of Bigfoot right here in this area. And Janice is still alive. And Eddie says that she comes into the shop sometimes.

And I've texted with her about coming on the show and talking. And it doesn't really develop anywhere. But, I mean, that's a local family. Yeah, Miss Janice and Miss Green. And so many, I could give so many accounts. of people that have had good interaction. Right. And so I have to believe with what Matt says that just like humans,

maybe there's some good and there's some bad. Interesting theory, going back to the Sasquatch Chronicles episode I mentioned earlier, is that I think at one point a lady had come to the farm to try to, like, stop the Sasquatch activity on the property. And I think it was very negative, like the activity that was going on on this farm. And then the lady that came to how to, she goes, oh, they're empty suits. So they don't really have the same spiritual, like,

um, development as a human so that entities can either, and, like, instantly possess them or not. Yes. So like there could be, I mean, maybe that fits both of these categories a little bit where like, if they're not possessed, they are more so just creatures of the woods where if they are in possess, being possessed by the white witch,

Lillith other entities that they are then supernatural horrors in the woods. That's just something interesting that might correlate in a theory. I like that theory. Yeah. That takes everything into one. From tribe to tribe. I find it so strange that we're all sitting here talking together today. From tribe to tribe,

you have the natives in Alaska their idea of the Nantinac or the Harry man is a killer. You go to tribes in Washington. He is a forest, uh, forest protector and is good and helps their tribes. And then we have scientific evidence and accounts of one of the very last

Indians, uh, uh, through her journal that knew that Sasquatch, Bigfoot or Nepolem was cannibalistic and took her tribe and killed an ethem. Mm. And then you come to Tennessee.

You have the red-haired giants that come from all the way up to Kentucky, Tennessee, Ohio, all the way down, and they were killers. So which is it, you know, are some good, some bad? I talk to an individual quite often from Alaska that will tell you point blank that if you get one in your scope, you'd better kill it because they are cannibalistic and they will eat you. and as a result, that's why you have so many missing people in the state of Alaska, and their bodies are never found. There's a, I have to look at it up real quick. There's a legend. Yeah, I think it's 1855.

I think it's the war of 1855, and it was in Oklahoma. Chalktile wars. Yeah. And the reason is it right, or is it chock tall or another tribe? I can't remember the tribe. It was like, I call it the Bigfoot War. Yeah, the Bigfoot War of 1855. Here's an article about a dark legend of cannibalistic Sasquatch in eastern Oklahoma.

And there was a, I can't remember his name. I'm trying to just skim this article to see if I can see it pop out anywhere. There was a soldier. So this was supposedly a, a problem to the point that the United States military got involved, and they, I guess, partnered with a local tribe of Native Americans, and the tribe was giants. Like, the people who went out with them to hunt down these Sasquatch,

these Native Americans were seven feet taller, taller. And they go out to hunt these things down because they were coming and taking their women and children. And I believe the legend is that there was three or four of them that they came across, and it was a bloodbath. It was a blood bath. And the general or colonel, LaFleur? Joshua LaFleur.

Was he a colonel or general? Does it say? Look it up, though. I'm pretty sure, like, I remember looking into this, and he was an actual real person that died in 1855. The county's named after him. Is it? Yes.

So the county's named. after him. And so now it's just this question of, is this legend real or not? And if it's not real, why did Joshua LaFleur of all people get tied into a legend of a Bigfoot war that happened where Native Americans that were seven feet tall or taller, teaming up with the United States military? And to go along with it, there are actual journal accounts of how large that these tribe of Native Americans were including whatever his officer rank was. He was a huge man and well known to be

extremely strong. And so... Before it was? Yes, he was extremely strong. And the rest of his Calvary unit, there were a Calvary unit. And they too were of large size. And very strong and very strong.

very brave and they ruffed in to these, uh, to these bigfoot. And of course, uh, captain Lafleures is killed immediately and, uh, rips his head off. But I go back to, okay, if this is not a true story,

how come we have Joshua, how come he is listed in the army and all these other factuals that goes with it. So I, I'm inclined to believe the story, whether those that say it's not a true story. But I believe it myself. If they say it's not real, it's probably good.

Yeah. Show me. Yeah. So, I mean, like, there's John Smith when he came into Virginia, made a map of the Chesapeake area. And then at Pennsylvania, there is like, like there's normal Indians drawn. And then right where ratting that area, I think they filled it with a dam where the natives were now, of course, they covered it in water at the whole old village. And that drawing has like seven, eight foot. Native Americans

as opposed to all the other tribal people that were drawn in the map that he made. So, I mean, like, there's evidence, I think there's a lot of good evidence to support, like, really tall natives. She said in, like, a writing area? Yeah, it's right where, I think the Susquehanna came in to the, the Chesapeake.

Interesting. Interesting. That's really interesting. I think I know where that dam is. If that's the dam that I'm thinking of, my parents live, like, five, ten minutes from there. They were close, weren't they? They were closer than I realized.

Wow. But yeah, I mean, going to Pennsylvania then, based off of what you just said, there's old newspaper articles that show giant skeletons that are being unearthed in Pennsylvania. And if I remember correctly, there's two separate articles. One was out in the Pittsburgh area and one was in like the north central Pennsylvania area. both were discoveries of, I think, like, 40-plus giant skeletons, like all buried together. I have a friend just outside of Poxetani that where some of the mounds were in one of the wildlife management areas up there. And giants, man.

Giants are being unearthed. I'm moving back to Pennsylvania. I'm moving back to Pennsylvania just for like a weekend. Well, I got the close friend that moved here from Paxatani, and we were very close. And he says there's a lot of good people in Pennsylvania and patriots to boot. Yeah. Hunters and Patriots. Yeah, well, especially Paxetani area.

Philadelphia, maybe not as much. But interesting about Pennsylvania, not, you know, this is Tennessee show, but Pennsylvania, there's basically stemming across, I forget the logistics of this. I kind of, we connected these dots years ago. Stimming across the southern border of Pennsylvania is where you're going to get most your dogman encounters. Wow. There's a lot of dogman encounters in Pennsylvania, and they all seem to stem across the bottom of the state, and it tends to stop Harrisburg-ish area. So you're talking about like half the state.

South, southwestern half of the state is a lot of dogman. And I'm sure that goes over into West Virginia and things like that. But it makes you wonder why. And we're going back to the territorial side of things. Like, are there territories for these things where this is their area? And that's where they roam. Jack and I went to a place in Pennsylvania out in the Harrisburg areas past Gettysburg. We found a place.

This is when I first started, like, my journeys in trying to document them. we found a place where, and I still am big on this, where the idea of finding a location that has history to it that is verifiable, that also has cryptid activity, just because when I'm making a video about something, I want to know I can get somewhere where it's interesting. So I found an old World War II prisoner of war camp that had,

um nazis actually taken there and interrogated and i was like okay i would like to go find the old prisoner of war camp in the middle of the woods and also there's bigfoot activity there right so we get there late it was like 10 30 at night and we're we find these ruins as it's it's it was awesome um but there was there was bigfoot activity there and that night you know people talk about the electronics failing and all that stuff that happened to us. But it's like, I can't get around the human side of it too. But it's like, do they just go hand in hand? So sometimes there's glitches with technology that you don't understand how it's possible. The batteries draining, all that stuff. But then it's like, okay, my batteries didn't drain. I'm good.

We got that on camera, right? And it's like, yeah, we got that on camera. You go back. And you're like, oh, crap. This is explainable. and we didn't get it on camera. And it's like, why? So, like, what I'm talking about right now is the, that night him and I go out, he sets the camera on the hood of the truck. And it was raining. And the camera falls off the hood.

And it falls in the ground. And I'm like, oh, you know, and we pick it up. We look at it. It looks good. It's working. Perfect. Cool. And we go through our whole night hiking.

and I had a camera, he had a camera. And we're recording the whole night. We go to this end of this trail that we were on, and it kind of opens up into an area. And so I turn off my camera. And so he has his camera running with the mic, and I pull out a K2 meter, and I'm in the middle of the woods.

And so I'm just like, I'm like, if there's any kind of supernatural thing happening here, this is years ago, My perspective on things have changed quite a bit. Maybe it'll register on the K2 meter like they do in these haunted houses. I kid you not. This is on camera. The K2 meter starts jumping hard.

And we're out in the middle of the woods. Like there's no power lines around as nothing, you know? And then while this is jumping, we hear off in the distance just like this loud. Ah, this loud, like yell. Like, it was loud and long. And if I'm lying, I ain't lying. Jack's here to verify. Well, Jack can't verify, but I can tell people he's over there nodding.

Not, Jack. See? So. But I'm like, and on camera, you see me look at the camera. I'm like, my eyes are big as sauces. I said, Jack, did you hear that? And I was like, oh, you're, tell me you're recording. He's like, I'm recording.

I'm like, oh, yes. Because I'm like, this is the only time I'm ever going to have this opportunity to hear that. Like it doesn't happen for everybody and I caught it on a recording. Yes! We go back to the truck and the whole recording, there's no audio. And I'm like, what the heck? There's just this like electronic buzzing. And then when you look at the wire connecting the microphone to the camera,

when it fell off the hood, the wire got damaged. Like snap and got pulled out. And so like we had video of me reacting to what we were hearing, but there was no audio. And I was just in that moment, I'm like, my batteries didn't die though, but I still don't have the audio for something else. So it's like, is that a human thing? It's just the unfortunate situation or is that something other than just an unfortunate situation? You know, it's on the level of batteries draining.

It's just the batteries didn't get drained. It's just something pushed my camera off the hood and snapped the wire. But either way, we don't have the audio from that. And that was depressing. Jack, is that video on the YouTube channel? What's the playlist called? Twilight Trek's, right? Did you already put it on camera?

Yeah. Oh, he already put it. Yeah. Prisoner of War Camp. Jack's on it, man. Jack's on it. But we must go on the record and say, Jack is an amazing man.

Yes. Yeah. He's on board today. That's amazing as his hair. Yes. We didn't get the chance to talk about his hair today. He's got amazing hair, ladies. Jack, come over here and stand in front of the camera real quick, no?

Okay, he won't do it. You ask about, you mentioned, is it a human thing or is it something else? Two of my members, one of whom I mentioned, whose daughter died and she left the group. My other member, he passed away a few years ago. So I can't put them in front of you to tell you this happened. But this is what they told me. They go to Baker Creek. You familiar with, that's one of Scott Carlin,

The carpenter stomping grounds. They went there. Got out of the truck. As soon as they got out of the truck, the guy got sick. Just sick. I can't stay here. I've got to go. Something's wrong.

I got to go. They get back in the truck and they leave. A mile or two down the road. So it's gone. He's fine. He feels fine. Let's go back. I think I can go back.

So they go back. To get out of the truck again. And she's turned and walked around in front of him. and he's fine and she's standing there and she's videotaping. And yeah, it is digital. It was digital, but it was an older tech. And she started recording screams, all sorts of sounds, trees being shaken, limbs being thrown, things of that nature. Because they were getting ready to go into these woods to look around.

Well, they never left the roadside. All this stuff was going on. And they're not going. I'm not going. We're going home. Let's go. We're not dealing with this. So they leave.

And as they're driving away, she pulls out her camera and she starts watching what they have just recorded. It's not there. Well. The trees are there. Okay. They're talking to each other is there. But there are no screams. Yeah.

Or nothing. And to me, that tells me that was mental manipulation. And that might have been, you know, when you first said that, when you first said, I didn't get any audio, that's okay, I know what that's about. But then you say it was damaged. Yeah, it was damaged. But there are people, you can talk to people who go out together and they talk about, oh, did you hear that? No, I didn't hear anything. Maybe it wasn't directed at those other folks. It was directed to this person. And it was all in their head. I asked you one time at the conference. And I wasn't trying to be. play down what happened to you. Right, right. But you had these two Sasquatch off to the side watching. And I thought to myself, well, this happened to my two group members.

Is it possible, Martin, that what you encountered was a figment of your imagination or a manipulation of your mind by the two Sasquatch that were standing there watching to see what would happen? Very deep. And, you know, when we speak of the manipulation or of the, um, What can be imprinted upon us as humans, time after time again, one person in a group will be singled out and he or she will see something. Yeah. And the rest of the group is standing only feet away and has zero encounter. Yeah.

And also, I think it goes back to if some of us are impath or if we are capable of achieving the fourth. dimension where others, where most of us are only three dimensional. Right. And so, yeah, so you just never know. Yeah. You never know. I mean, I've always found that interesting. And, you know, they talk about infrasound.

And we know that infrasound affects the mind. It affects us. It affects, you know, other animals have infrasound. And that happens to them, too. The gazelle freezes for just a few moments before the jaguar or leopard attacks because it has this ability. If Bigfoot has that ability and they have the intelligence that I believe they have, they could make you see what you want to see.

Yes. And they can make you hear, feel what they want you to. Make you freeze up. Make you freeze. Totally immobile. Yeah. And the fear is just incredible. I think to myself, okay, I've done this for over 20 years, and I've heard all these

stories, and I've listened to all these videos and listen to sounds. You know, if I see Bigfoot, I don't think it would affect me that much. But then I think a little bit deeper. And, well, if, yeah, I'm not sure. You know, I might fall apart just like a lot of people do. You know, I'll find with all the witnesses, I mean, we're up to almost 3,000 witnesses that I have personally interviewed, orally most of them face to face. And it affects so many people in a different manner. One person achieves a jubious or a very positive feeling, wow, this is incredible.

thus flash of beauty. Yeah. And then others are so incredibly shaken from this episode, affected with PTSD and can't go back in the woods anymore. And I'm talking about manly men. These are men of the woods. You know, they've been killing bears all their life. And it's really fascinating.

Yeah. Yeah. I was just thinking when you just said that, I was thinking, like, have I been in the woods since I was charged? I don't know if I've ever gone back to that location. Now I'm wondering psychologically, am I scared to go back? Now I've got to prove it. I got to go back.

Now I have to. I'm thinking I don't know if I've ever gone back to that location. I've been trying to get you in the woods for the whole time I've been here. Yeah, but it's a lot of ticks out there. There's a lot of things. That's what I'm talking about. Oh, man. When I first came in today off camera, we were all talking.

I meet up from head to toe with sugars. Oh. And, you know, we were, yeah, you could say we're bigfooting, but we're actually out looking for the greatest meal on earth. We're looking for chantrails. Yeah. And that's when I think I told you, Derek, about the lady that was with me. She's, she is an older lady, very, very wonderful human being. And that's where we had seen a portal open up.

And she had seen a face coming out of a tree. And I turn over and I look and I see it too. but we were after the chantrails in the woods and man the triggers just eat me alive. Yeah. Cannibalistic chuds. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. So that just happened. You just saw a portal with a face? Save it. Save it. Save it. Save it. Save it. We're doing a recording after this with just Martin. And I don't want to get into it right now. Derek. Chill out. Two weeks. So anyways, I am going to bring this in for a landing.

We've been going for three hours, and so it is time to bring it in. I didn't say it's beginning, but I'll say it now. You guys both have books on Amazon. Jack, if you get a chance, if you can pull them up on the screen, start with Matt. Start with Matt's book. Yeah. And let people know what the book's about. Basically a little bit of my early life.

some of the things that happened when I was young, some of the stories I'd heard when I was young, how I got into what I'm doing, and some of the different ideas that people have, including a few of my own, about who or what these things are. And I just, I tried to make it something real simple

for someone who doesn't believe in any way, shape, or form, just to give them an idea of the possibilities. Yeah. Because, you know, I'm not really complicated anyway. So I just tried to put it in layman's terms as to what people think they are and what they could be. So it's really kind of a, it's a short read, maybe two and a half hours. His book is excellent.

I read it. He's a great author. He was able to put it in layman's term for everyone to enjoy. I love your book. And I thank you for giving it to me a long time ago. Thank you, sir. A lot to me. I actually think your book's on my shelf out in the hallway.

Yeah. To do that or at the office. But you have three books, right? Five. I've got three now. There's one should come out before long. A beast between the rivers, a trace of death in which Tony Merkel himself helped design the cover, and it's one of my favorite covers.

The third one is a labor of love, and it was the devil's backbone, and Sibylla Irwin was the creator of the cover, which, I mean, all you got to do. I mean, it's like you say the name Sibylla Irwin, and you get goose, because he was in the woods, doing things in the woods chasing Bigfoot when most men would be coward at home watching it on TV. I mean, she's just an epic lady. You know, I'm trying to think, I don't think I've ever had her on the show. She's a great woman.

Her granddaughter is a Texas Ranger. God bless her granddaughter. She is one tough lady. And Texas Ranger, man. But Sibel Irwin is just a super nice individual. Yeah, I met, the first time I met her was probably in 2014, 2015, at the South Fort State Park Bigfoot Conference. And I met her there. And she did the recreation for Dave Groves, not Martin Groves, Dave Groves.

Dave, yes. You know, Dave? Yes. He's him and I go back a long time. But he had an encounter with Sasquatch and Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania. And daylight sighting, very clear. It stood there. He got a great look at it. Yes. And she did a recreation and stuff. And I remember when she gave him, she did like a plaster, like math, not mask, but like it could have made a mask, right? It was like a 3D artistic rendering of the face. And I remember when she gave it to him, he just looked at. He's like, that is spot on. Spot on. And so, yeah. Good. person. Shout out to her and shout out to everybody watching this for the last three hours.

Over a thousand people. I saw, I think we broke like 1100 people of live viewers and stuff. So thanks for tuning in. If you want more of this, I'll see you Saturday, July 25th at the Smoky Mountain Biffa Conference, because Derek's going to be there, Jack's going to be there, I'll be there, Matt's going to be here, there. Martin will be there and countless other people. And Sammy the Sasquatch. Sammy the Sasquatch. David Politees, Moriah Mayor, Seth Breedlove, lots of different people

are going to be there. It's going to be a hop in place in Gatlinburg, Tennessee. So if you're aboard and you're in the state of Maine and you feel like doing a road trip, come on down to Gatlinburg, Tennessee, smoking out of Bigfoot Conference.

I'll see you there this coming Saturday. Bye. Oh, boy. Is that a slingshot? Yeah, yeah. Slingshot season. Hey, let's run it. Hey, hey, hey, hey.

Grace hit me like, boom, can't miss, no, God with me, whole squad. Walking the spot like who that. Standing in the slang and the truth slap. Never in the way we moved dad. All my name for the hit like a duress. I was stuck in the valley that view bad. Now I'm up in the hills with a food bag. God took all my elves ran through that.

Now the wind stack high like a new stack. Every step with the light, that's a blueprint. Hope pack getting bright because he's doing it. He the king, so the crown got a new feed. And the cross hit harder than a new clip. We ain't here just a body. It's a movement. Every giant in the way, he'll move it.

If the world when I hate, we cool with it because the love is strong. There's no guy with me, whole squad in the dirt now I'm cleaned up. Blood bought brand new, never dreamed up. Every thorn out of stone trying to team up. Got 50,000 standing here feeling beamed up. I remember them nice in the struggle. Feeling way down deep by the trouble. But he showed up strong, bro, the muzzle.

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