The Confessionals - The Loch Ness Monster, UFOs & What's Beneath the Water | Slingshot Nation

Episode Date: August 7, 2026

The mystery of Loch Ness just got even stranger. With six new Loch Ness Monster sightings this year, reports of intense UFO activity over the loch, and eerie connections to deep water, portals, and the supernatural, we're asking whether these phenomena are all part of the same mystery. Plus, we revisit the growing Black Panther reports from East Tennessee and explore why these impossible encounters keep happening.If you’re able, consider helping the Merkel family with medical expenses by donating to Lindsay’s GoFundMe: https://gofund.me/b8f76890📕 Pre-order Tony's Book: https://a.co/d/0bJS3SaVBecome a member for ad-free listening, extra shows, and exclusive access to our social media app: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinThe Confessionals Social Network App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZThe Counter Series Available NOW:The Counter (YouTube): WATCH HEREThe Counter (Full Episode): WATCH HERETony's Recommended Reads: slingshotlibrary.comIf you want to learn about Jesus and what it means to be saved: Click HereMerkel Media Apparel: merkmerch.comSPONSORSGHOSTBED: GhostBed.com/tonyQUINCE: quince.com/tonyIVERMECTIN: twc.health/tonyVENICE AI: https://venice.ai/theconfessionalsRUMBLE WALLET: https://rumblewallet.onelink.me/bJsX/ConfessionalsCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] ADDRESS:Merkel Media6726 Morganton RdP.O. Box #08Greenback, TN 37742SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIReddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/theconfessionals/Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelProduced by: @jyorkofficialOUTRO MUSICTony Merkel - Grace Boom ft. BAMNow on Spotify

Oh boy, is that Slingshot? Yeah, yeah. Slingshot season. Hey, let's run it. Grace hear me like, boom. Hey, too, bro. Hey. How's everybody doing?

Welcome to Slingshot Nation. Dude, I think the rock took Jack out there. That right. Dude, I watched that, that intro video. And I was like, that's the wrong video. I sent you the wrong video. Really? That was totally the wrong video.

I made a better one. I stayed up late working on it and it didn't even get to be shown to the people. You got to send it to the right place. Oh my gosh, man. I love the sound effects. So that, it was great. Yeah. Well, I mean, that's what I think of the the Angry Birds King Pig Head ship.

That's, you know, like that video of the disclosure where that thing is floating in the air, they zoom in on it and then just kind of flies off camera. I just, I think of like the Jessons, you know, like, you. That's sound like, bye, suckers, you know. Gosh, darn it. I was, I'm so disappointed. That's what happens when I stay up too late, though. You know, let me see this video real quick. Let me look this out.

Yeah, it's a better video. It's a better video. Can we share it quick? No, actually, I don't know. Maybe I just imagined I made a better one because that's the one we just watched. I don't know. I don't like the AI video we made today. So there it is.

Derek, how you doing, man? You're great. It's hard when you try to encompass all the craziness we're going to talk about in one video, though. Well, I thought I did a good job. I thought that one was good. It was decent, but gosh, man, there's a better one. I might have dreamt about it last night. It may not actually have been made.

But in my mind, there's a better one. You went to a liminal space. I went to a liminal space. And we created a better video. Yes. Jack, buddy, how you doing? How's the hair today? The hair is still here.

Yes. It's not gone. It won't leave. I'm glad. I'm glad. Do you have to comb it regularly? Or do you just let it dry? No, I just let it dry.

Wow. Okay. Cool. Yeah, very nice. So, welcome to the show, everybody. And sorry about the, I guess, what was it, a glitch in the beginning, Jack, with the camera or something? I don't know. Sure.

Yeah, it was definitely a glitch. It was my fault. No, I'm sure it wasn't. I think this shows off to a great stuff. So last week, We had Martin Gross and Matt Streber here in studio. And I thought that was a great conversation. Had a lot of fun, right?

And we went all over the place talking cryptids, but the topic of the black cat came up and some new information has come out. And we're going to be talking about some more evidence of black cats in Appalachia. We're also going to be talking about some sightings in across the pond in the UK. to lock Ness. I had to think about it. Yeah. Because I almost did it.

I can't help myself. You can say Lake Ness. That's okay. But that's not the problem. The problem is I naturally want to say Lake. And then in mid saying it, I'm like, oh, no, Locke. So I go Lake Lock. And then I'm already sound like an idiot.

Could you say Nessie. Which is nothing new. Nessie? Nessie. Nessie. Anyways, we have sightings of Nessie, UFOs. We're going to have a great conversation today. But before we get into all that goodness of just an amazing conversation about weird stuff, which is my wheelhouse, and I absolutely love it.

Guys, next week, I'm going to be at Remnant Rising 2.0. Here are the Watchmen. And if you didn't get a free ticket, it's okay. A lot of people didn't. Apparently, we had like hundreds of submissions. It looked like it on the wheel. And not everybody can get a free ticket. But we did give away free tickets. And there is a discount code that you can still get. Does the discount code work for the online? because right now the event is completely sold out. There's no more tickets being sold in person. I think it's sold out actually a couple weeks ago, to be honest with you. And so now the only access you'll have is being able to watch it online and you can purchase tickets to watch online. I would say this. When you're purchasing your online ticket, just give it a shot. If there's a option for a promotional code, just put Merkle 20 in and see if it works. And if it works, you get a discount. If not, then... Should have come in person.

It was only for in-person tickets. Yeah, you should just come in person. Yep. You know, not everybody can get a deal, I guess. I don't know. But Remnant Rising 2.0. I will be there next week speaking Friday night. There's a VIP dinner Thursday night.

And then after me will be, I believe, Larry Raglan speaking. Who is in the chat right now? Oh, Larry Raggle. Larry. Tearing the house down. I told the guys before we went live, I'm really glad that I'm going before Larry, because Larry just brings an energy I can't follow with.

Like Larry's like, you know, just Larry. And I'm going to be like, what's the professor's name? I was mocking him earlier from Ferris Bueller's Day Off. What was his name? That's Ben Stein. Yeah. Bueller. If I went on the stage after Larry, that's how I'd feel.

Bueller, Bueller. Everybody's like, okay, we're going to go, you know, look at the merch tables. That's temper bad. Relief and early. Yeah. It's going to be a great talk. I'm going to do awesome. Please come on.

But yeah, Remnant Rising 2.0. We've been talking about it. It's coming next week. And my only main concern right now is fitting in a sport coat because I did put on a few pounds with the last few months. And so I see some fasting in my future. It's good. I hope everybody gets to check it out.

It's going to be a fun weekend. Also, friends, we have a newsletter coming. And actually, no, the newsletter is here. And you can check it out, the professionalspodcast.com slash newsletter. And I think the link will be on the screen. Go ahead and sign up to our newsletter. We have it now.

And there's a... What? Solid pitch. We have it now. I'm working my way up to it, son. The link isn't in the description. But, yeah, there's this newsletter that... These you threw me all off.

I used to have a newsletter and I just scrapped it. And now it's back. It's back. And we need your email. Yes. We want to stay in touch with people and have the ability to reach out to you when something special is happening. Because not everybody gets to catch every show and you miss things. And I'm not going to use the newsletter for a weekly update or things like that.

I may not even send a monthly email, to be honest with you. I'm not really interested in spamming you. I'm just more interested in when I actually. have something that I really want you to know, opportunities, discounts, things like that, things that are coming, I would like to be able to share that with you guys.

So, Jack's over there, goofing around. What are you doing, bud? Joe Dirt is the name. Is that what it's on there? That's what popped up when I typed in Joe.

Oh, that's, that, well, see, the Dirtay, I love it. He makes a cameo. I use,

I use Joe Dirt to test the website. And so in the same day, I'm glad to say something like, I hate derrick.com. If we go ahead and check it out the newsletter, the Confessionalspodcast.com slash newsletter, or hit the link in the description of this episode. And if you want to be reminded,

the newsletter is a great way to be reminded of my book coming, because I do have a book coming out, and I will use the newsletter to let you know, hey, it's launch week. If you haven't done so yet, please go ahead and check my book out. The book is called The Confessionals, exposing warring kingdoms,

documenting my journey through the supernatural, you know, things that I've picked up along the way through conversations with people, to my own lived experiences from childhood into my adulthood. And the conclusions that I came to that I believe are solid conclusions. That's why I've come to them. And I do believe that the messaging of the book will help people along the way

understand some of their own experiences, maybe through a different lens, and hopefully change some lives in the process, you know. And so if you're interested in checking out the book, The Confessionals, Exposing War and Kingdoms, the link is in the description of this episode as well. We are doing pre-orders right now. and pre-orders definitely help us get pushed more in the algorithm on Amazon. And that just helps everybody. So if you would be part of the success of this book and not just reading it,

pre-orders definitely help that. So thank you very much, friends. I appreciate all the support. It's been amazing. I get emails and DMs pretty consistently at this point of people saying, hey, I got the book. Can't wait to read it and stuff. So I'm pretty excited about people checking it out.

And if you hate it, just be nice. I'm very nervous about that because I'm just like, oh, man, they're going to hate it. And they're going to tell me all about it how they hate it. And you're also bringing some of the Remnant Rising. Yes, we are. We're going to bring some of the Remnant Rising. And so actually, people at Remnant Rising will have, was that, like a world premiere of the book? They'll be the first ones ever to have the book.

So, yeah, now that I'm throwing myself out there and all nervous, I'll hand it over to you, Derek. I'm super nervous about that book. I'm thinking about it now. Holy cow. You crushed it. I crushed it. So it's amazing. It's amazing book.

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Much appreciated. Thank you very much. So, listen, guys, the black cat, right? So last week, I don't know, I don't know if I was planning on the black cat being something that people actually liked, you know? Like, I thought that was like a throw-in. You liked it, so that's all that mattered. Yeah, I liked it. Yeah, absolutely.

And it made me excited. So I was hoping, but usually that means, you're like, oh, who cares, you know? But the video goes out, and it kind of went viral on some platforms, like Instagram. Last I checked, it had like 1.3 million views. Wow. And I get a text message from the guy who, like, so I'm going to be honest. I don't even know how to log into my Discord, but I have a Discord. And the guy who monitors that whole thing text me.

And he said that some people were saying that I was on Joe Rogan and that I should check it out. And I was like, oh, cool. All right. And he said right to the beginning. So I go in and Joe Rogan starts this show right off with the black cat. Like not even like, hey man, how you doing? He's just like, so he goes right into the black cat. And almost instantaneous, they must have been talking about it right beforehand.

And Jamie pulls up the reel of the confessionals with the black cat. And Joe starts talking about the black cat. And the guy he's talking to, what was the thing? He's forced something? Forced. I guess he's a wildlife guy. And he goes, oh, yeah, that thing's, no. And because he had already seen the image that he thought he was going to see.

And what he was referring to was the image that I was excited about last week. You know, the one with a 4K up close to the camera and stuff. And then after we released that, that we went live and released that video, some people had emailed links of episodes or not episodes, but articles from years prior with that very picture in it. And apparently this guy on Rogan says that that picture circulates around every few years. And I get that. I understand that because I still get pictures of Bigfoot from 2016 saying that it was just captured on a trail cam last week. So these things happened, right? So I was duped. The lady at church

that gave it to me just passing on something that somebody passed on to her that that person was probably duped too, you know? And so there's that. But what I found interesting with the Rogan little segment.

So first of all, can it be official now? I can introduce myself as Tony Merkel as seen on Joe Rogan. Totally. Absolutely. Yes. I think it's a good idea.

I mean, it's the closest I'm ever going to get to Joe Rogan. broken show. I go watch that video, and what I found interesting was the fact that he starts brushing it off without actually seeing the picture because he knew what picture Joe was talking about. But the picture that Jimmy brings up first is our first trail cam picture of the black cat further back in Kodak, the vertical image.

And he looks at the screen, he goes, oh, no, I didn't see that one. And then they went to the other one and then they started talking about that, but they never go back to that trail cam. And I'm just like, I would have liked to hear his opinion on that because he had never seen that before. And supposedly that comes from Kodak, Tennessee. So you're saying he was only being dismissive of the one he definitely knew was not. Yeah.

It was fake. Yeah. And when I was looking at that image, the cat, I'm talking about the one up close to it. It's not fake. It's an actual picture. It's just not from here. It's mislabeled. Yeah.

Yeah. When you look at it, the shoulder blades, there's like spots, you know, like a Jaguar, we have spots. Yeah. And so there's that. But he doesn't look at that other image. And I was like, dang, I wish he would have like commented on that. You know, if he would have said like, that's really interesting, never saw that. If that's in East Tennessee, that shouldn't be there or something, you know. Right. But he didn't. Now, because this video goes semi-viral last. week, other people were sending us emails of, and we got, Lindsay said we got a lot of emails from people that were just telling their story, how they saw a black cat. Some people said they had it on Game Trail Cam, but they didn't send the pictures. And that's unfortunate. But some people either sent pictures or links to different things. And I want to go over some of this because I'm not crazy. I know I seem crazy, but I'm not crazy. There are people here in East Tennessee, Appalachia area that have seen black cats and have caught images of them. Now, the first one I want to hit, actually, let me think, let's go to a Texas one first, Jack.

Let's go to a Texas one first. And I don't remember exactly where this one came. These are DM or an email or something like that. But the Texas image of this black cat, I would say that I was told that this is from Texas off a trail cam in Texas. The image quality is bad. So I'm assuming they're taking a picture of a picture. That's what it looks like. Yeah.

And I don't know the history or story of it. But supposedly this is a black cat in Texas. Now, if you look close, does that have spots on it too? Yeah, definitely. Yeah. So the idea of a Jaguar out there roaming around, I think in certain climates of this country, is perfectly acceptable to accept as a possibility for it to survive. And, you know, as somebody who's not a biologist, I don't know these things. I don't know.

Jaguars, jungle animals, rainforests, things like that. And we were talking about before the show started temperate rainforest. That's what East Tennessee is. And so you also have in this temperate rainforests, one of, if not the largest national forest in the country. Right. It's massive. And it has mountains. And it's just completely wild.

So is it, if you took 10 jaguars, released them into the smokies, is it possible that they would survive and multiply? I mean, there's a, there's plenty of food source, right? What do you think? Well, I mean, so the black ones are. specifically melanistic. So that is like a genetic trait. So they're not their typical like tan with spots. So these black ones, those are the dominant gene. So I was just doing a little research and then said that those, that gene will override some like a jaguar that was not melanistic. So you only need one black one and then overall the whole population will probably just turn

black. So it's actually more likely that you would see a black dragwire if there was initially a black drag wire in the area. So basically if there was one black jaguar, that would be a dominant gene that would just kind of take over the whole area over time. Especially if it was bred over time. Yeah. Interesting. So it's not like a rarity. No.

It wouldn't be a rarity. No. But they're saying they don't attest. So they're definitely rare. I feel like you're forcing laughs today. I was like, that wasn't that funny. I'm on a role. Comedian Tony.

How's that? I just don't know. if his laugh is authentic or he's just trying to keep me going. I don't know if the laugh is like code for keeping moving, boss. But so there's the Texas one. I wanted to kind of get that because it's kind of like outside of this immediate area. But then we also have, let's go with the, let's go with the house cat video. Let's go with the house cat video.

And I call it the house cat video because, can you pause for a second? Or, yeah, okay. I don't, I'm not, a listener of the show. sent this video. They shot this, I believe, off their front porch. And I think it was, I don't know if it was this year or a couple years ago. But you'll see a cat going through the trees in the distance. And I think she said, or he said, I don't know, I didn't read the email. Lindsay sent it to me. It was like 200 feet away, ish. Okay. And so that there's that gauge of distance. And I would just say that I could understand if people, would say that this is a house cat. But I would also understand to say if it's 200 feet away and you're seeing it that clearly, is it possible that it's bigger than your normal house cat, you know? So just check it out, take it for what it is. So yeah, if you want to kind of like help to tell where it's at. Oh yeah, I forgot. I have to talk. Yeah. This is radio. Just because it's so

quick and it's, uh, yeah, I can pause it right here. We can you, can, there you go. Yeah, right there. So that's a good spot right there. So, I mean, you have this cat. And I would say that's probably close to 200 feet away. And moving through those trees, I mean, talk about... Right in the middle of the video. Yeah. Anybody's missing it. So you see it moving through there.

And it's just you don't really have a gauge. I mean, maybe... I'm sure she's probably... They're probably watching right now. So maybe they could go out there and do... Find that location, stand next to it, have somebody to shoot video so we can kind of see the size comparison or something. Yeah, I mean, it's in the snow too, so you think they could go out in like a prints really easily.

Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I wonder if they did do that. I don't know. So there's that video. And I found it interesting. I wanted to share it with people because, again, this is, I believe this is in Tennessee. Now, the next video I want to play is actually a new. And we have some, I'm saving the best for last. I'm saving the best picture for last. So this video is a news outlet covering just a mysterious circumstance of what seems to be a very large cat walking through somebody's backyard caught on security camera. And I'll let people watch it here and then we'll decide, we'll have some discussion as to what it could be and what's going on there. Because I'd have some thoughts on that. at its last confirmed Cougar siding. However, a Rutherford County man is convinced that one crossed his property early Sunday morning, too. The TWRA is calling the odds highly unlikely, however. However, that homeowner telling news to is Nikki McGee. He still wants his neighbors to be aware. Curiosity's got the cat at this Smyrna home on mutual drive. At 418 Sunday morning,

Bruce Fondstock was woken up by his camera's motion sensor, alerted. him to this mysterious big cat. So I pulled it up and and low and behold, my mouth fell open. I went, oh my gosh, that's not a kitty cat. Fondstock believes he saw a cougar. You could tell by the distance it was between the post and the back. There's a spot on the video where they show him standing next to the hot tub and it kind of gives that perspective and size comparison. But Wild Jack's looking for that. If you can't find, it's not big deal. The question I have is what we're looking at looks like a shadow.

Doesn't it? And what is it walking? I'm glad you said that because at the very beginning of the frame, it almost looks like the shadow actually goes across the beam in front of the hot tub. Yeah. And so it almost looks like it's actually like projecting a shadow on the fence line really nicely. Yeah. So again, with pictures, video of mysterious things that you're trying to analyze, like context is everything, scale is everything, having the data is everything. So I don't know.

Is there like, you know, how sometimes people have those solar lights that are like, they put in their yard and they like, they project light onto the house to make it look nice and things. Could it be something where he has something like that and there's light and there's a house cat walks in front of it? And it just looks like it's going across at. area. What's weird about it is just the way it travels, you watch the whole video, it goes down and then it comes back out and then it extends way

beyond the hot tub and stays, it keeps the same path all the way down the fence. And that's what really makes interesting. Yeah. So I have more questions and answers. And that's usually the case for me. So I found that video that video interesting for sure. But let's go to

the Facebook post, Jack. Let's go to the Facebook post first. This lady is in Tennessee. Altamount. Altamont. Altamont. Is that you pronounce? That sounds right, right. Altamont. Does that sound right to you, Derek?

I've never heard of it before. A-L-T-A-M-O-N-T, Altamont. Can you read her description? It's too small for me to read, Jack. Captured on camera in Grundy County, Altamont area, be alert for your animals and kiddos. T-W-R-A was contacted already. They have said several have reported seeing it. I just want to make everyone aware.

Yeah. So is there any way to make that bigger? That. There you go. Cool. So that's here in Tennessee, supposedly. And that's a very clear image of a black cat. It's a big wide head, too. So, I mean, that definitely looks more Jaguar to me. I almost said big dog, but it's a big cat. Too much dog man for you. Yeah. I know.

What do you think about that, Jack? I thought that was crazy when you sent it. And the fact that, like, you were like, oh, you guys didn't see this yet? Like, no, if we saw it, it was freaking, like, holy crap. No, that one's crazy. For that to be in this area is nuts. Yeah, like, letting my dog outside makes me nervous when I see these pictures. That's just giant.

That's fair. You know? I don't know. They're huge. Yeah. I mean, they're monstrous predators. Yeah. And I don't think there's, just like with a mountain line, I mean, there's nothing you're going to do about that.

No. No, not at all. You're not stopping that. You're never even going to see it. No, I mean, I can't even stop my house cat. When she goes nuts, it hurts. And these things just rip you from lind the limb. And so the last one I wanted to show people,

because I actually kind of wanted to run through some of these videos and pictures that we've seen over the last week or so, just to kind of show you that this isn't just a one-off thing. You know, I wish I had the pictures that I've met, I mentioned last week with Brian, who had the black cat and Frozenhead. And this thing walked across the camera, the same camera, same positioning that he got a deer on and a wild boar. And this thing is large, bigger than the wild boar. So I wish I had that to show people.

But, I mean, I officially have had, well, now more. But as of last week, I had seen three trail cameras that had the black cats on it, right? And the one, turns out, was probably not from here. So, Joe Rogan, if you're watching, give us a thumbs up if you want to see more black cats photos. And we'll keep it rolling. Yeah, Joe, because I know you're watching, bro. And so this last one, though, Joe, is the best of my mind. This is a guy

That's not the one I know The one that was up This is a guy Who sent me this image He texted to me A listener to the show And he said that

I think he said A family member Up in Fort Knox Kentucky Got this on their Game Trail camera And do you have a larger Image of that?

Yeah, just wait Yep Yeah That is a very large Black cat That's a big cat

In Fort Knox, Kentucky You could just tell from the photo that it has so much more muscular structure than like the house cat ones. You know what I mean? They look more slender and not as defined. Like it looks like it works out, man. Absolutely. Yeah.

That dog works out. Cat dog. Cat dog. So yeah, I mean, Fort Knox, Kentucky had taken that picture. And when you just look at the tree in front of it, I mean, that tree is probably like, probably like about that at least. you know so if you the cats probably like at least that big at least that big yeah um and so not to mention the tail so yeah i mean i don't think that these cats are are monster cats that are coming up to my hip you know on all four you know but i definitely think that there's a chance that

these things are out there and um people probably should be aware and alert because sometimes you hear things in the woods you can't explain you feel like you're being followed maybe you are and it's not Bigfoot. It might be something else. And that is not a good situation. So how do you think all these black cats exist around here? Well, we, it's a good question, Derek, because we have answers. No. So people were telling us in the email, there's different, I guess, legends. What I'm gathering is that at some point here in Appalachia, there was a exotic. animal or exotic pet or cat sanctuary. And the two predominant things that we've heard is that one, it was hit by a tornado

and the cats got out and escaped. Then the other idea is that the owners of the sanctuary were losing the sanctuary. And so they just let the cats go loose and just. See you later. Kind of like, you know, oh, we can't have our sanctuary. Fine. And they just let them loose, right? Mm-hmm.

I think either one, whatever happened. And, oh, they also said that the, it was in what, West Virginia? Yeah. Yeah. So the sanctuary in West Virginia, and you looked up as like 300 miles away? It is Seneca Rocks, where there was a, like, wild exotic cat. like zoo or a private collection. And how far is Seneca Rocks from here?

It's about 400 miles, give or take. Yeah. So Kodak from here is probably about, I'd say about a 50-mile drive. So from that image that we have that forest on Joe Rogan didn't leave comment on, from that location of that Black Cat to this place, let's just say, 350 miles. I had found out, I think just a few days ago, I came across this information. The mountain line, the females don't travel as far as males, but the mountain line male will travel up to about a thousand miles whenever they, I guess, feel like it.

They'll just migrate, you know? They need to find new territory because their territories are huge and they market. So like they travel to find untouched territory. Yeah. So they can find brief. breeding grounds. So that's like why maybe we saw that one picture with the one that's not gigantic. It could be an adolescent that's looking for a new breeding ground for himself. For sure. And very aggressive. It's like, I'm looking for a woman. Let me alone. I've been working

out. I work out. But the females, they say don't travel as far. They say females will travel, I think, a couple hundred miles, maybe 300 miles, two, 300 miles. So it's definitely within the realm of possibility that if there was an exotic sanctuary in West Virginia that either got hit by a tornado or the owners let them go or whatever they escaped that they could be as far down as here or further because if you think like say the female only travels 150 miles well say she has a litter 150 miles south that litter grows up and then they travel another 150 miles south and it keeps going right So it's not out of the realm of possibility that they go south for warmer weather and areas that are more conducive to what they want for living space. And like how many times did people have sightings and in the same way we're like looking at these videos and like, is it a house cat?

Is it not? But if they did see a melanistic black cat, you know, a jaguar or whatever and they just thought it was a house cat because giant black cats don't exist. Yeah. Right. So how many sightings go untold and you're like, well, it's just a big house cat that's running across the field. Absolutely. And I think that's an explanation that I've heard over the years plenty of times, especially up in New York, because the legends of the black cats up in New York, which, you know, if you're talking about Westridge, say that's ground zero. Well, if they go, I mean, if they want to go north, they can. It's colder up there. But, I mean, you get up to New York. I mean, everybody thinks New York City. But New York is a large state and there's a lot of nothing in the middle of it.

That's where I lived and the whole lot of nothing. Yeah. It's like the Adirondacks, right? You got the cat skills. You have western New York. I mean, like, it's hours and hours of driving and of nothingness. Yeah. Yeah. And you decided to put up a pizza shop there. Yeah, I survived.

I made some money sold in pizza. You did great. It was good. Mountain pizza. Mountain pizza. Mountain pizza. Mountain man pizza. Yeah.

So apparently jaguars can get up to a little over two feet tall. That's like the average height for a jaguar. And especially considering we're seeing that all of these, a lot of these images are black jaguars. That would make sense for the height that we're seeing. on these images, especially like even the one, the video that we saw from a listener,

because if they're shorter, or if they're adolescent like you're talking about, then they're going to be a little shorter. They're going to look a little bit more house cat height. But their length and their tail length and everything will give you a little bit more of the understanding of what kind of cat it is pretty much. Gotcha.

But yeah, that Knox, the Fort Knox Kentucky one, if I remember correctly, that tail is pretty long. Yeah. And I know the Texas image of the image was that tail was really long as well. Unusually long if it was a house cat. So, yeah, I mean, I find all this stuff.

I find this stuff interesting because, you know, we often talk about wanting to look for mystery out there. And we believe that, you know, people are experiencing things that are just shouldn't be in the realm of possibility. And sometimes those lines get blurred and things that we know exist that shouldn't exist in areas that they are existing, I find that very interesting as well. Can I give you my crackpot theory? Mm-hmm. Okay, so I was down in... I'm always open to a crack-pot theory.

Welcome to the show, Eric. So I was down in Georgia. We were at Okmoggi Mountains in Macon, Georgia. And I'm just, of course, reading like I do and studying, like all the signs that are up. And they actually said that they, some people, archaeologists believe that those mounds were from the Mayan culture that spread all the the way up to the lower end of the Smoky Mountains.

So they encompassed Georgia, Florida, and all the way back down. And so would it be likely? Just like how the Romans used to do it, they would go to other lands and they would bring their animals or have exotic animals because it was a show of power. Yeah. That like some, they would come and have a breeding pair of Jaguar if the Mayans like ran this zone hundreds of years ago and that they became a breeding, got released and they started breeding through the Appalachian.

That's a good point. Yeah, I mean, it's a really interesting point. And if that were to be true, that would mean that we have an active, very old, active cover-up on our hands, right? That would mean that they were here from the time of the beginning. And there's reports of Black Cats going all the way through the 1800s. That's right. In this area.

Yeah, and they said that they were hunted out. That's right. So let's say that they were hunted out. And everything we're talking about is nothing. There's still the matter that what you have is, I don't think it's a crackpot theory. I think that that's a very good theory. Thank you, Tony.

Absolutely. I'm going to put it in my next book and call it my own idea. That happens. How do you guys think I wrote my book? I got hired and all of a sudden there was a book. Oh my gosh, the conspiracy theories are going to go wild now. So, no, I think that's a great thought. I mean, it very well could.

And then what they're saying is that they were hunted out. And I think in like the late 1800, I think is when they said they were hunted out officially. I don't remember exactly. But that's a really interesting thought, though, for sure. But the matter of fact is, like, the mysterious things out in the woods, out in nature that we think shouldn't be there. For instance, often I talk about the charging situation that I had in the woods, right? Well, in that same area, we had not that night, but a different night I had been there. I heard this weird clicking sound.

And the clicking sound sounded like almost like, not almost, it sounded just like the predator clicking sound that you hear in the movie. And while I'm sitting there hearing this, I'm getting scared. And after I get home safely, I message Justin from Cryptos of the Corn. and he starts running through all wildlife sounds that are known in this area for me. And he starts sending me tons, I mean tons of clips from YouTube sounds.

And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. And the only thing he came up with that was even remotely, possibly closer, and wasn't, is the shoe bill something? Stort. Stork. Stork. I thought he said, Stort.

I was like, I've never heard of that one. It's encrypted. So the shoe bill, though. And it, like, you know, leans his head back, makes his loud clucking noise. But it wasn't what I sounded like to me. But that out in the woods, where it shouldn't be, would be amazing to find. You know, so, like, we're constantly looking at the cryptid side of stuff and the, you know, UFOs and Lochness monster and, you know, Bigfoot and all that stuff. But, you know, gosh, I wouldn't mind finding, you know, a shoe bill or.

I mean, so there's even reports, this old book called Frontier Tales of the Tennessee, there was a mystery group of people called the Malungeons. The Malungeons? Malungeons. And they were a dark-colored people that the Cherokee had displaced. And so it's like there's even like mystery race humans that they don't even know. They think maybe they were even come from the Spanish. And they ended up like holding up somewhere in the Smoky Mountains.

And they became like their own distinct like human race in the mountains apart from the Cherokee. Because they were different. I feel like I heard about this. Yeah. But, I mean, just saying that was just a hundred or so years ago and there's still remnants of them in North Carolina. Yes. If we're just discovering humans, why can't there be black cats? Yes.

That's what it was. Because for the longest time, they didn't understand where these people came from. Like, in the modern times, they were like a people group that didn't have an identity. They're like, we don't know where your genetics come from. But then they found out about that. And it explained everything. Yeah, that's really interesting. That's a good point. So mysterious things out there.

And we recently heard about, I think it was Derek, had heard about recent sightings of the lock nest monster. Oh, yeah. Now, I've spent my childhood in the woods as an adult. I've been in the woods. And from childhood to adult life, the topic of the lockness monster has always been something that just kind of pulls me back in. it was the first love that I had for cryptids. I mean, literally, before I even considered anything else, me and my friends were going to go find that thing and catch it, right? We talked about it and all that.

And today, there are still sightings popping up. And what was the website called that had all the sightings? It is lockness sightings.com. That's right. Pretty straightforward. Yep. good call. I should have had that one ready to rock.

Now I'm trying to find it again. There it is. Yeah. And so, yeah, the website's called lockness sightings.com. And they're just documenting people's claims of unusual occurrences in the lock. Or one would say lake. And just not lake lock. Definitely not upon, though.

Definitely not upon. Inside joke. Yeah. So some of these images. are definitely interesting. Some of them I feel probably could be explained. Yeah, absolutely. The one image that I was looking at,

I'm scrolling down to see here. The first one I want to bring up, though, is Jack, the date would be March 22nd, 2025. It's an image of, if you didn't know you were looking at Loch Ness, you'd be like, is that a man walking on water? because it looks like it's like a humanoid figure out on the water standing there.

And then when you get the context of, oh, that's Loch Ness, then you're like, is that Nessie? Is that Nessie's neck? Maybe. Maybe. Maybe the world will never know. But there's another one out there that is similar to that. And that one is, I believe, April 5th, 2023.

it's just it's the same thing only way far off in the distance. But it's this idea that you see this thing popping its head or out of the water or something's seemingly out there vertical on the water. And so, you know, when you try to scratch off the list of the realm of possibilities. Right. Like a log is not going to flow up vertically very long term. No. Like maybe maybe if Nessie hits it and flips it up, you know, But it's not going to just do it, especially on calm waters, right? I mean, do they have like one of those beacons out there?

You know there's like floating beacons they have? Oh, yeah. But I mean, I don't think I've ever seen that or heard of that on this body of water. No, I've never, no. They say that this lock is 23 miles long, about a mile wide. It's massive. And 745 feet deep, something like that is what we heard. That's deeper than I thought it was.

Yeah, it's pretty deep. It's really deep. You'll definitely feel it if you try to go diving. Don't try, Jack. That's a warning. Don't mess up your hair. But I think come up with one of those shrunken heads. You know how they would like put the heads in the ocean

and they'd like deep, put them deep in the water and the heads come back like shrunken heads. Yeah. Jack, just coming back up with a shrunken head. Beetlejuice head. Beautiful hair. Petal juice head. Yeah.

The hair never shrinks. The iron ever shrieks. So it's just, it's just there. It's like, and you can't even see his head. So it's just like it's like shoulders with hair on. You think its voice pitch would change too? Like nice and squeaky. There you go.

A mouse. But on this website, though, the one image that you brought up, I thought, was the most interesting. The sonar one, right? Oh, the sonar one's really interesting. So that was, what, 2024? Yeah, October 9th. on 2024? September

Is that the right one? September 27th. Yeah, September 27th. Yeah, it's underneath October 9th. Yeah, so that was a different sighting. So that's the boat sonar. Sonar's weird because it's like you're taking

like a still pop and then it kind of builds an image, right, as you go over an area. But so it's like, Obviously, it's not super clean, but I mean, if you just look at the image itself, it looks like, Jack says it looks like a giant turtle.

It does. It looks like a giant turtle. It kind of does. But you have like a huge body mass, and then you have this really long neck with like some little flipper things underneath it. And if we're going to like, I don't know if you can necessarily scale it

according to how it's scaled on the right for the depth. Yeah. But if you were, I mean, you're talking about something that's like anywhere from 25 to 40 feet, possibly. So it's interesting. I mean, that one's pretty interesting. That looks like a very large animal. It does.

Or a turtle. A large sea turtle. I think a turtle 25 feet, I think, is less believable than Nessie. It's pretty historic. So basically they're from the same era. They're from the same era. It's a large snapping turtle. No, I think that definitely is interesting.

Now, it could be, you know, you mentioned a log earlier. Maybe it is a log, but I don't know how to read sonar, you know, but it looks like whatever it is is pretty big. And, you know, it just, it kind of brings this question in a play. Like, I mean, we know this idea of the Loch Ness monster. There's a lot of pop culture around it. There's a lot of sci-fi around it, legends and lore, pizzeria and just more legends and lore.

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But people people are seeing things out there Whether they actually are They think they are And it's not just Lock Nest That has people seeing prehistoric animals, dinosaurs. I don't have it in the notes here, but there was that place in Africa where they had the

Toronto starts with the M. We were talking about that yesterday. We were talking about it yesterday. Membe something, I think. But it's a tribe in Africa that doesn't have a whole lot of outside world influence and exposure and they were shown different pictures of what they were seeing in the wood. Macaulay, Mumbembe. So the legends were out there that there was a dinosaur out there.

They were seeing it. So they were shown pictures and pictures of like different animals like alligators, crocodiles. And they're like, no, no, no, that's not it. That's not it. As soon as they were shown a picture of like, what's the, I always just say long neck dinosaur, but it's an actual name for it. Like a bronosaurus. Bronosaurus.

They all were like, oh, that's it. That's what we've been seeing. So, like, there's a whole tribe of people that are seeing supposedly a dinosaur that shouldn't exist anymore in the deep wilds of Africa. Yeah. And it goes back to, let's talk about Black Panthers for a second. I'm scared.

But, I mean, it's the idea that things that our logic says shouldn't be out there. But people are saying they're seeing it. I know that there's been reports during World War II when our GIs were out in like the Philippine area, they actually reported seeing like little teradactyls flying around. And so like, like, because they said they're not birds. They're definitely like reptilian, smooth skin. And they were like, they were like buzzing over some of the ships that were like near

the shoreline. So I mean, these are really weird stories, right? There's, and it might be Photoshop, but there's been a. a picture floating around for a long time of settlers who killed. Is that what you're talking about? No, no. This is World War II. This is out in the, like, Indonesia.

But I just remember seeing a black and white picture of, I know which one you're talking about. Yeah. And they killed it and they're standing next to it like it was a trophy. Giant taradactyl. Yeah. Yeah. And so, you know, you have these things and are they one-offs?

I mean, I don't think they can, if it's real, it can't possibly be a one-off. I mean, there has to be, you know, the ability to procreate if they're natural. And that goes into the next question. What if these things aren't natural? Like, what if... I don't know what dinosaurs are. I know some people say that dinosaurs never existed. I don't know.

I know that they... I think they... I've never heard anyone say dinosaurs don't exist. Really? Yeah, Jack. Oh, man, you haven't lived... Jack, have you heard of that hypothesis? Jack, definitely has.

Of course. You haven't lived enough, man. But I guess the theory is that, you know, up to a certain point of time, they didn't have any skeletons. And now all of a sudden they have all these skeletons and made up something, I don't know. Right? Am I right? Yeah, basically.

Yeah. But it's, there's these, these, and I forget where I was going with that. Well, so in the lake, though, there are... That's what I was going to say. So the natural side of this, right? So I said, I don't know, I don't know what dinosaurs are, right?

And the history of, of, um, the world. and the supernatural, could the remains that we have of dinosaurs be the remains of what we would be looking for when it comes to like digging up burial mountains state side of giants? You know, like the giant graves in Pennsylvania. You know, we find remains of these giants and people want to, like us people want to say, these were Nephilim giants. These were giant, biblical hybrid creatures. And, and so is it possible that, you know, these these, these, these, dinosaur bones are fall in that same line. And is it possible that some of this stuff like Nessie and other creatures like that are more not natural and maybe pop in and out through soft veil spots? And that's where it kind of gets interesting with this location because of the amount of UFO sightings that are seen at, I keep wanting to say Lake Lock.

Gosh, darn it. Lockness. Yeah, but real quick. I got you just unloaded so much. I want to like recap a little bit here real fast. Okay, so there is also an 11-foot fish that is known to dwell in the lake called the sturgeon. Yeah. So, I mean, that's a possibility. On the south of England, there's actually called the Jurassic Coast.

And they actually have pulled giant, like all the way. from 10 to 40 feet giant skeleton remains of the pleasaur. So, like, that area is actually known for pleasiosaur, which would be Nessi. Nessi. Yeah, that too. Also, timeline-wise, it's interesting, because if you've ever looked at, I forgot the scientist's name,

I think it's a creation researcher, they actually have taken the T-Rex bone, and they actually realized that there's actually soft tissue. still pliable on it. And so they're like, they're making the case that there's no way that this could be millions of years old and still be able to create pliable tissue

by putting it back and rehydrating it. Jeez. So, I mean, you can watch the videos. It's crazy. They literally are like pulling the flesh right off of the bone. Like, and it's like elastic again. So it's like the age aspect of it is really interesting

because like, is, could it be that somehow there is, I mean, the flood, the flood killed what? things on land, right? Obviously, if this is a swimming organism, that it could still obviously survive 40 days in a flood, right? And then it's actually also, like, right on the great Glenn fault line. So Scotland's actually split, and there's where all these locks, where Loch Ness is, there's like four locks to all go right in a row. And right below that is a giant, it's like millions of years old.

Again, I'm challenging time and also accepting time at the same time. I get it. but there's a really old fault line that goes right through the locks which actually creates the locks and there's evidence of caves in the locks like underground underwater caves.

So I just make the case the same way that we know that the mammoth cave system is literally stretched from Kentucky all the way to Tennessee and that these, they're so unexplored, they're so unknown.

Is it possible that there are cave systems linking all the way between the Irish sea all the way to the North Sea interconnecting all these locks together. It could have a really vast biological area to live in that we don't know of.

Or does maybe just the fault line goes right to the Middle Earth, and that's where Nessie lives. It's the portal to middle earth. I mean, that's something that I had considered, I feel like, since I was a kid. You think about the idea of these things

coming up, but then just not being seen. for extended periods of time. And it's like, well, where are they going? And when you find out about the caves and that idea, it's like, could they be going into cave systems that stemmed that mountain range? Could there be air pockets there? And also, like, the traveling aspect,

there's the Ness River that flows through all that out to the sea. So are they actually landlocked? Is it that they could go in through these different systems and actually go out into larger, bodies of water that they go absolutely undetected. And also then, if that's the case, what brings them back to that location? In the lore in that area is super interesting

because you're making the tie-ins to the Nephilim and all this. Yeah, then you should go back to the natural. Now you want to go supernatural. You jump way, so many staffs. Hold on. We're getting there. No, no, it's so cool. It's cool.

Yeah, just go supernatural now. And then we'll go back to natural, and then we'll go back to supernatural. And then back to UFOs. Yeah. Oh, I thought that's where. we were going. Okay. So there's a Celtic god that's very, it's called Manan. And he actually is the god of the other world. And he's actually known to ride a water horse. So when you start breaking down like

what the water horse is, it's called the Alcushka. And it's a water spirit. It's a supernatural water spirit that lives in the sea. It lives in the sea locks. It lives in the fresh locks. It's a shape shifter. It can be seen as a handsome man, a horse, or even a boobree. I think that's like a penguin-like bird in that area. So it's just really interesting that all of a sudden, like, we're tying in again to the, like, the lore of this. So these water horse are shapeshifters, these water horse are spiritual and their water spirits. I mean, like when we talk to the brewers, I talked to Ben about like when they would go to Mexico and I think they were up in the mountains on a lake and they would go to visit a village and there's a whole temple with all mermaids everywhere. And he's like, what the heck?

There's freaking like mermaids in a freshwater lake. And then like he ended up seeing mermaids because it's the water spirit of the area and they manifest themselves. They had video of it. They have video. I know. They should do it. Yeah. I saw it. Yeah. And that was actually off the Pacific coast. That one state in the States. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm saying even like in the front, he's told me a separate story of there was a freshwater lake and they also had the manifestation of mermaids in the freshwater lake because they they were deities they were worshipped in that area and so here they come to do basically spiritual warfare by like freeing kids of trafficking and like i just wonder if it's the same thing with lockness is it it's a water spirit entity right that ties into people

seeing it and experiencing it no i i think that's a perfectly acceptable thought process to go down when you started thinking about or not thinking about but when you start hearing about all the other strange occurrences you talk about the the UFOs that are in that area and the large amount of UFOs that are being cited in that area where are they coming from why is it that in that area the water holds all this mystery you have this creature that's being seen you have these UFOs that being seen. Then you have people like Tim Burchett who talk about the underground base side of the UFO phenomenon. And we've had plenty accounts of people who've seen and had experiences with UFOs coming up out of the water. So is it more about what's under the water at this location? And is it in the

similar vein as the UFO topic where maybe these UFOs, foes, maybe there's not a base how we would think of it under the water, but it's something different and other that these things are actually able to pierce and come through. Like I said, the fault line's right there. So if you're talking about like a place of intrusion underneath the surface of the earth, like that would be the place. For what? For like anything coming up from under the ground. So you're talking physical. I'm talking, I'm talking extra dimensional. So are you talking like under underground civilization. Is it how it's supposed to be within the earth? Yeah, but I'm, okay. Yeah. I'm trying to, I'm sorry, are you, are you suggesting that the bases are

actually underground? They could be, I mean, it could be water. It could be access. I think that that's definitely to deeper layers in the earth. People's experiences with taking, like, um, Karen Wilkinson, taking the, uh, her, her abduction case. And then she talks about going down into the earth. and what was down there. But my thought is, is it completely, yeah, it can be, without going too nerdy on it, it could be absolutely going down physically and the earth and at the same time transitioning into another state of existence that is still, that existence is here on Earth. It's just not what we perceive as this tangible physical reality.

Because when they have these experiences in these locations, they seem to be. Even getting there seems logistical, but also supernatural at the same time. It's not, it doesn't seem like a simple just train ride, you know, and all of a sudden you get there. There's memory loss, there's transitional points. And so it's, I think it's a reasonable question to have, what's underneath the water? You know, how is it tied to this creature, the UFOs, and maybe other mysteries that are there? Yeah, and that would even tie into like Ryan Pote's take on what he had seen. I mean, like the ridiculous speed that it was traveling and then the immediate and sudden drop, you know, below water, below the surface without having, you know, like gravitational awareness.

Like that, it's somehow this ship, this submergeable object, USO decided that it was just going to stop and drop, you know. And so, I mean, that's the same thing like Timberjet, Timberchette talks about with how it's true. 200 miles an hour. Yeah, exactly. So there is a lot of like, that would be kind of supernatural to us. We wouldn't have any clue how the heck that happens. Yeah. You know, so to your point.

What are you going to say? So there's actually biblical evidence of a water serpent too that we know of, right? Leviathan. Right. So Isaiah 271, it says, in that day the Lord with his hard and great and strong sword will punish Leviathan, the fleeing serpent. Leviathan, the twisting serpent. and he will slay the dragon that is in the sea. So it's super interesting.

Leviathan means twisted. Serpent there is Nahash. It's the same one as the same entity that was in the Garden of Eden. So that's the same, like, Hebrew word Nahash is the same that's used here twice. So it's saying that the Leviathan is a Nahash. Is it a, is it in the same realm then spiritually as the serpent that deceived Adam and Eve? So does that make sense? So is there a spiritual connection to why Isaiah wants to call it a Nahash versus just calling it a creature?

Right? Like he's making a very clear distinct connection between Leviathan, the twisted, it's called like the coiled one versus it being a Nahash. Yeah. So what if it's that? I mean, we don't know. but if it's a spiritual entity and we know that UFOs can be summoned we've seen it on video

people have made claims of being able to do it call them in but we've seen people do it right I would suggest that there's a level of intent behind that so you're going out you're performing a ritual of some sort to call in a UFO The fact that Loch Ness has so many UFO sightings, could it be that it's a mixture between two categories where there's tons of tourists that come there.

I didn't look up statistics, but it's a huge tourist area. People are going because of the Loch Ness monster. Your intent to go to a geographical location to witness something, to witness something. that could be a spiritual supernatural phenomena, could that act of going to the location to find that, to see it, even if you don't believe you're going to actually see it, but just going because of that entity, could that act of going be viewed at as a ritual?

And if it is, and if it is some kind of thing where by doing that, you're almost trying to call something in, could the general category of the phenomenon decide that I'm not going to give you Lochness Monster, but I will give you the UFOs. And that's where all the UFOs are being seen because of the massive amount of people

that are going there under just... I'm not saying out telling people they're doing rituals intentionally. I don't even know. It may not be considered a ritual, but there are so many people that go there visiting because of this. And if this is an entity,

such as Leviathan or of the like, and it's much more of a spiritual, interdimensional type of thing, could the phenomenon on the other end of it witness and see those coming for a show and decide to give them a show according to what it wants to give you? It's kind of like what Nathan Nathaniel Gillis

talks about with the phenomenon where he says, it's like the snake that has a tail that looks like a bug, and it learned over time that if it moves the tail a certain way, it looks like a bug and it calls in the, calls in birds.

When a bird comes to try to take the bug, it kills the bird and eats it. So could the phenomenon be wagging its tail in the form of a Lochness monster? And when you come and arrive on scene, it gives you a UFO. It's interesting. Yeah, that's really interesting.

There's that great photo that someone took of a UFO right over Loch Ness. Yeah. And, yeah, I really like ties in all the UFO sightings. in that area really well. Which one are you talking about? The Calvone? He just pulled it up here.

Yeah. Oh, mirror. Okay. I think they have a better, if you scroll down, there's a better photo of it. He said the mirror is a sketchy website? No, glitchy. Oh, good.

Glitchy. That's the spot. Maybe not. There's Loch Masse. Yeah, so anyway, they show at the top there. There's definitely like two days. disc-like things flying right over the lake.

And it's just really interesting. Like what you're talking about. Like, is there, is it an access point? We also have like the Falkirk triangle right in that area. So there's like hundreds of sightings of UFOs just south of Loch Ness. And then there's a really great, what was the one we found, Jack, the Calvin UFO photo, which is just south. So that that story is really interesting. there's two guys hiking in the mountain ranges just below, just south of Loch Ness.

And they said that this is in the 90s. And they're just walking around. All of a sudden, they see a UFO and they snap six pictures of it. And so this is actually one of the remaining pictures that was left. So what happened to the others? So they actually, they took the six photos. They end up sending them to a like a local tabloid. the tabloid then doesn't publish it.

It actually gets tied into British intelligence and then it disappears. Of course. And then a reporter ends up hearing about the story, digs into it a little bit. And then the guy in charge of the case file, whatever, is like, oh yeah, I still have a photo. And he like basically pulls an original photo out

from that account. What year was that? This was, I think, in 92, 93. Yeah. That looks like, I mean, that straight looks like reverse engineer technology. Like, that looks very mechanical. that looks like they were retiring World War II UFOs to their museum somewhere underground. It's very possible.

I mean... Which part? The museum? Like you're first engineered? No, I mean, Jesse Michaels, like I talked about a few weeks ago, there were people saying that they have, like, ways to camouflage aspects in mountains and things. So this mountain range would be a perfect place if they were going to have a secret base. So there's...

I'm looking at it online. here. There's two different images of the same scene that I'm seeing here, which means that it's, one is the image that was released. And the other one is the image that the guy still had left over. This is the only actual image. I think they've done reconstructed it. Like, they've remade the image other ways. This is actually the one that's officially said to be the original with the Harrier Jet flying in the background. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I can't show because I'm not. The rock one with the rock background or whatever it is, right? And like the jet is, everything's clearer.

The jet's closer and bigger. Yeah, yeah, the mountain background. Right, yeah. That one, that one is what we believe to be like a superimposed image. Oh, gotcha, got you. Okay. All right, that makes sense. Yeah, I mean, that image is, and it's just south of Loch Ness.

Yeah. So, I don't know. Maybe they have a really big net and they're just catching UFOs coming out of portals and they're reverse engineering. That'd be frightening, man. That would freak me out. If you saw that just floating in the air? Yeah. And that's like, I was talking to somebody this morning about some of the images that I've seen.

And trying to describe it's hard because you're constantly fighting what the pop culture narrative of UFOs and what they look like are. And so if I see, which I have, you see a UFO that is, it's like, it's like, Like a disc. Like how else you describe it? It's like a disc. But then you're trying to say, but it's not like a smooth surface disk. There's there's mechanical nature to it.

There's structure to it. It's, I don't know how to describe what I saw, right? And I'd be following in the same line with this. If I saw this, I would be like, you know how they show flying saucers? Well, from my advantage point,

it looked like that, but it might have been like a diamond. And I think there was like layers, to it, like almost like a sheet metal or scales to it. And people are like, what the heck are you talking about? How does Charlie describe the UFO that he walked up on and got the technology from? I mean, I just said scales. So that's like in my mind, but I don't think he described it as scales.

But he did say it was like almost like panels. And they were culted to the touch, which he emphasized saying that wherever he was in the world doing this recovery mission, it was hot out. And so it didn't make sense that on the outside, the panels, the exterior of this UFO, was cold to the touch. So I don't know, when you look at this Calvin image,

I saw somewhere, there was like a model replica of it, and they, there it is. And part of it, they show like these square panels. And, you know,

is it one of those cases where, you know, people are seeing a lot of the same thing, but it's hard to describe. So we all have a different description of what we're seeing. And if there's no pictures, you have 50 different types of UFOs in reality is only like probably five. And I agree with you. Like this would fit really well with stealth technology. Like even the photos we did for our disclosure when like last week or two weeks ago, you know, they had stealth technology even in the 40s. So if this is the 90s now, I could totally see that this is, this looks perfect to be stealth. Sharp angles. It would deflect,

you know, radar really well. Yeah, but it's... Well, the question is propulsion at that point. It's how do you, how is that thing being propelled and, you know, lifted and moving? Because that would move you into the anti-gravity, you know, and again, what Lingley came out in 91 talking about anti-gravity was real. So, again, it ties together. It does. It ties together.

Especially with a hairier, I mean, you think that would be like, those otherworldly, they'd be like, they're here. Yeah. They're just observing, as they always do, right? Always observing. What do you guys think? Let us know, as you're viewing and watching in the comments, what you think about this. Is there a realm where there's an ancient prehistoric dinosaur that's living underwater, surviving in cave systems, and down into the depths of the earth? Is it more supernatural where there's, you know, the water's a point?

and it's popping through a portal, just like the UFOs, or is it more of a spiritual thing, a demonic thing, Leviathan? I think that the Lochness monster still has mystery to be explored with it. I think that there's probably 99% of misidentify things out there, right? Stories being made up, lore, just somebody goes, visits on vacation, to come back tell their 13-year-old nephew that they saw the monster, that nephew believed him, grew up, tells a story to 10 people. That story evolves into it crawled across the road and ate Nana's puppy, you know?

And so it's like there's definitely an element of that, but I don't know. I feel like there could be things to explore here where maybe the Lockness Monster does have a layer of depth to it that goes beyond the lock. solid. Yes. That's true. All right. Let's get out of here, guys. Do you guys got anything else before we head out?

No. I mean, we didn't really discuss Bonnie Bridge, but there's like... We didn't even cover that in the show prep, so we're going to pass on it. Okay. Yeah. There you go. That's it. There's a lot of stuff all around Scotland.

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