The Confessionals - Utah’s Underground Giants and the Officer Who Was Warned | Slingshot Nation

Episode Date: January 30, 2026

Deep beneath Utah’s backcountry are stories that refuse to stay buried. Today on Slingshot Nation, we examine reports of underground giant bones, hidden cave systems, and what one U.S. Forest Service Officer says he was warned about while patrolling remote land. His account isn’t rumor or internet folklore — it’s a firsthand story involving restricted areas, local knowledge passed down quietly, and unsettling details about what may exist below the surface. What he was told suggests these locations are not only known, but actively avoided.From ancient accounts of giants and Nephilim to caves, sealed chambers, and warnings tied to specific regions of Utah, the evidence begins to form a pattern. We connect the officer’s story to historical discoveries, Native traditions, underground structures, and other suppressed narratives that point to something far older and far bigger than modern history admits. Whether this is forgotten history, forbidden archaeology, or something more supernatural, one thing is clear — there are places underground that some believe were never meant to be disturbed.Please pray for Tony's wife, Lindsay, as she battles breast cancer. Your prayers make a difference!If you’re able, consider helping the Merkel family with medical expenses by donating to Lindsay’s GoFundMe: https://gofund.me/b8f76890Become a member for ad-free listening, extra shows, and exclusive access to our social media app: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinThe Confessionals Social Network App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZTony's Recommended Reads: slingshotlibrary.comIf you want to learn about Jesus and what it means to be saved: Click HereMy NEW Website: tonymerkel.comMy New YouTube ChannelMerkel IRL: @merkelIRLMy First Sermon: Unseen BattlesBigfoot: The Journey To Belief: Stream HereThe Meadow Project: Stream HereMerkel Media Apparel: merkmerch.comSPONSORSSIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGHOSTBED: GhostBed.com/tonyCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] ADDRESS:Merkel Media257 N. Calderwood St., #301Alcoa, TN 37701SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIReddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/theconfessionals/Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelProduced by: @jack_theproducer

Oh, boy. Is that a slingshot? Yeah, yeah. You did be dirty. He's quite a lot. Grace hit me like, boom. Can't miss. God with me whole squad going.

Devil try to throw shade. I grin because the light too bright. Welcome to Slingshot Nation, everybody. Thanks for tuning in. Jack did me dirty. I'll forgive him, though. I think that was actually a lot better than last week, Jack. I think we should work that format out a little bit more and we'll rerun it next week.

Rinse and repeat. Rinse and repeat. Derek, how you doing, man? Feeling great today. Good. Good. Jack, you good over there? We don't care.

So, we've been Raz and Jack about the last 10 minutes before we went live. And, well, a lot of that will stay private. But just know, we're all happy to be here. We've been gritting and grinding on today's topic for the last, I'd say, three and a half, four hours. The thing is, it was one of those topics where I think it was about yesterday or the day before. I think it was yesterday. I came into the office and we were planning on doing something. I don't even remember what we were doing.

I said, boys, we're doing giants tomorrow. And totally threw a pivot on the whole thing. Like I usually, I think I do that a lot, don't I? Every day. I'm ready for an adventure, though, baby. Let's go. Let's go. Listen, I am excited for today's episode.

We're going to be going on an adventure, and it's all about giants and giant bones and are they real? Tony thinks they are, but the world can decide for themselves. Listen, this stuff gets me going. It gets me ramped up and ready to rock. So, listen, this episode is brought to you by. what are we bringing them to bringing it to them for today members members members i wasn't sure if we changed it up since last week subscribe members if uh you have been dragging your feet on memberships go ahead and do that today you'll get access to all the past member episodes plus future member

episodes and all you got to do is hit the join button and you'll be good to go so go ahead and see what you've been missing out on join the memberships today um also i want to kind of uh uh derail off of everything and take the show in a completely different direction for the rest of time now. I'm just kidding, guys. I'm not doing that to you. I'm not doing it to you. But I haven't been talking about a lot recently, mainly because just talking about it is really not my thing. But my wife, I just kind of, yesterday I felt this impression as I was kind of just making some notes on our shared note that I don't talk about it a whole lot. And I just wanted to kind of, I don't give a whole lot of details for for many reasons but uh you know being a public person i like to keep some things private right

so it was a big deal for me to even uh open up publicly to talk about the fact that my wife was uh going through the battle with cancer now we've changed our vernacular and how we talk about it and she is overcoming cancer uh but she is still battling on that front and uh i think i think what spawned it was the fact that I got another bill yesterday. And I was looking at it and I was like, man, like, I'm so grateful for the people who donated to help support us through this struggle. Because quite honestly, like, I was looking at how much we've racked up in our debt or what would have been debt.

And I was like, dude, we would be at least 50 grand in debt right now. Wow. Like, with all the treatments and stuff. And I don't know if that's because we pay for our own health insurance or what, but I'm like, dude, this is no joke. And so it just made me feel extremely grateful. And so I just wanted to take time off the top here just to say to people who are watching on YouTube who listen on the audio feed. Because I got like a split audience. I got people who only tune into YouTube and they're relatively new the past couple of years.

And I got the OGs of the last nine years who have been audio listeners to, everybody. I just want to say thank you for your support in the prayers, the financials, because literally both have helped a ton. We feel the prayers because I feel like we've been transforming spiritually through this process. I mean, obviously we've been putting our work in on it, but I do believe that part of that is the people praying for us and the supernatural aspect of that for us to be spiritually transforming. But also the spiritual supernatural peace that's come over my family. And also the, just the financial side of things, it's just been, I was just sitting there thinking,

like, my Lord, like, how different would this whole process feel right now? If I'm going through all this with her, she's going through it, the kids are going through it. And on top of that, I'm just like, I don't know what I'm going to do, you know? So, very grateful to everybody. I just wanted to spend some time off the top to just say that. Thank you very much. She's high spirits. Yesterday was a tough day physically for her.

Today she woke up seeming pretty good, but it was early. It was six o'clock in the morning, so who knows? But it's just been a process. And I guess I'll end it on this. To the outside world, and I see it in the comments and, you know, emails that come in and people just, you know, who talk to me throughout time will, the way they, their tones about it will be like very mournful. and I'm so sorry you're going through this, trying to be gentle about it. At home, our world isn't crashing.

We're just, it's just a matter of life, what we're going through right now. And I don't want to say it's normal. And I don't want it to be normal, but it's just something that we're just like, it is what it is. We're going to get through this, you know? So I just want everybody else to know that their world doesn't have to be crashing and burning every time they talk to me because they feel like that's what I expect. I don't expect that.

I just expect people to treat us like life is normal. because that's how we're treating it. And keep praying. Oh, yes. And keep praying. I thought that would be a given, but yes, please keep praying. That is much needed. And, you know, like I said, we felt it throughout this whole process.

And I'm going to know if you stop praying. So don't you stop praying. So did you guys survive the weather apocalypse? Snow apocalypse. Oh, man. I mean. I got a dusting of snow. Yeah?

It was cold. That's about it. It's still cold. It's still cold. What did we have? We had like... Two-tenths of an inch. Yeah, maybe two...

No, maybe just like a tenth of an inch. It was so, such a small amount of ice. And then it's immediately like in the afternoon change to rain and 40 degrees. It was great. Yeah, I think we actually got our snow the day. So on, I think it was, what, Sunday. It was just raining here in East Tennessee. So nationally and globally, because we have a global audience,

there was this projection initially of us having this this snowmageddon like it was going like if you're in Minnesota Cleveland, Ohio, you're like that's nothing. I'm used to it, right? Down in the south, they ain't ready for it. Now, all three of us are from up north. We know we can handle things. But we also know that when it snows here, we don't drive where in the north we would down here. Yeah. It's best to stay off the roads because it gets crazy out there. They're not taking care of the same.

Right. Not at all. So when they were talking about initially, I saw Jefferson City, which is about an hour and a half east of here in Tennessee, initially I was seeing 27 inches of snow earlier in the week. And I was like, holy crap. Wow. Like, we're going to be down for a month.

A month. I came into the office. I was told Jack, I was like, dude, get working on it. Start working ahead, bro. And as the week started shifting, the whole storm shifted north, and it started showing that we were going to have a lot of ice. And I was like, that's even worse, you know? And Tennessee did get a lot of ice.

In fact, Tennessee had the most power outages nationwide of all the states. Like, we got hit hard. but here in this small portion of East Tennessee, I'd say probably about from Knoxville, maybe 30 minutes west of Knoxville, probably not even that far, east to the mountains. There was like this pocket of warm air that got pushed up. I'm not a meteorologist, so I don't know.

The low pressure system pushed high, and then the north pushed the other low south, get it? So the warm air came up from the south and I really, and we started calling it the Halene pocket because a similar thing happened during Hurricane Helene. So Hurricane Helene devastated this area, 30 minutes east of here. And we pretty, I think that day, didn't we have like some sunshine peek through and stuff during a hurricane? Like, it was just crazy, weird. And then the same thing happened with this. It's like this warm pocket of air like grabbed, the east side of the mountains and just hooked up north and just blanket us with like warm,

not like tropical air, but it didn't snow. It was just downpouring rain. But you go west of, or east of the mountains into North Carolina, it was devastating. You go west of here. It was devastating. But we just got lucky again. So, um, thank you, you know, I mean, how is, how is it spending? Because you did spend it, we did spend a few days at home because of all the ice. that the rain came, so the cold air eventually, it all froze over. How did you make out with your family? We made out good. We didn't lose any chickens.

Everything was good. That's the important thing. I was ready to get to work, though. I'll tell you that. I don't miss the COVID days of being stuck in the house for days on end. Yeah, New York, man. That must have been terrible. Oh, yeah.

It was terrible. So, yeah, I mean, hopefully everybody else is doing all right with that. I mean, I know we made it out okay, but I was texting some of the blurry guys. I was texting Luke Rogers over blurry creatures, and he said, last I had talked to him about it, he said they had not lost power, but he was preparing to get out and bail if they did lose power. And I've seen images online, and it looked like a bomb went off in certain parts of the South, Mississippi, Tennessee. And I just don't, in today's world, we don't know if it's AI or not. Like, you know what I'm saying?

Like, I want to believe everything. Yeah. But I have to question everything. And then not believe anything. Yeah, that stuff was crazy, though. Like, it looked horrible. Like, tornadoes went through. Like, that's what it looked like.

Because trees were just down everywhere. I mean, people's homes were just coated in ice. Dude, listen, last thing on this. I just saw a video yesterday. This lady, I don't know if she was trying to make a point or what, but I think it was in Minnesota. I had to be up north. She was walking to her front door,

ground covered in snow, ice everywhere. It looked like probably Minnesota or something. and she's in a pink gym gym outfit. Sports bra tight, like she just came from the gym. And I don't know if she was trying to make a point. Like, I can handle this or what.

But as she's walking towards the ring cam, the tree in her yard exploded like they said it would start happening up north. And she drops. And she starts rolling around on this ice. And then she's like, my leg, my leg! It's like, oh, shoot, I think she got shot by the tree. Exploded tree? Oh, my gosh. That's crazy.

Oh, it's like, dang, dude. Like, it caught on camera. So that's a real thing unless that was AI. Oh, shoot, it's probably AI. Dang it. I just don't know. Exploding trees are real, though. Is it? I don't know what's real anymore. I don't know if they actually explode.

They sound like they explode. Oh, my gosh. Was that fake? I was had again. I can't tell you many times. I sent some of my wife. She's like, that's AI. I was like, dang it.

Dang it. I just want to believe it's all real. It's hard to even trust all the stuff we grew up just watching, you know, like unsolved mysteries. What if like AI was out then? All of it would be all. Well, AI was being worked on by the, we're going to the AI direction for the show.

Jack just took like a deep breath. Like, here we go. But it was being worked on back in the 70s by the government and military. So who's to say, I think some theories say that in 2009 or 10 around that time that some people believe that AI actually took over back then within the government. And we've been just living in this facade for the last 15, 20 years.

And so, like, you know? Another show. I mean, nothing's real. No, it's happening now. Scrap the Giants. We're talking about this. AI again. It's interesting.

It's interesting because, like, you see the movies that came out in the 70s and 80s, and there's AI taking over at those times. So, I mean, it really... In the script. In the scripts. They're like, oh, that's pretty.

program we know is telling you what's happening right then and there. Yeah. But anyway, at least the good part about what we're talking about today is this stuff was documented before people had access to AI. Can you say 1855? I think it was one of the years. The John Brewer K. or, yeah, John Brewer K was December was 1855. Do you remember? I think it was 1850. Holy crap. If it was 1855, that goes with the 1855 war in Oklahoma with the Native Americans killing the giant, the big foot. But in the ranks of the American Army was a Native American tribe that was all seven feet taller or seven feet or taller. It was a giant tribe of Native Americans that went with the military to go kill the Bigfoot. You remember that story?

That actually ties in with that YouTube clip that we have. Holy cow. 1855 was a big year. All right. Show's over, guys. John Brewer was sadly 100 years later. Oh, was it? Yeah.

It was in 1955. Yeah, it was later. something I read about 1855 today. Maybe it was that story. It's all the Mormons and stuff. Yeah, that's all that time for him, probably. Wow, wow, wow. All right, so I, let's talk about, let's play the Instagram reel that spawned this whole thing, Jack. When I tell you, you go, go. I saw this Instagram reel and I was like, I just started juicing my veins were giants and bones. And I was like, oh, that's what we're talking about tomorrow. And today, and I sent you guys some links. And today we came in here and Derek, you've been going crazy on research.

So you're going to be the host A, B of the show. Like your host A, but B because I don't want to put you above me. So you're like A.B. Make sense? Yep. Okay. Cool. I got you.

Show people, Jack, show people the Instagram reel that kind of spawned today's conversation. Okay. So this was down the rabbit hole on Instagram. And you have, what do we have? here. Do you want to read the caption? Yeah, if you want, go ahead. Okay, so he just was talking about. Don Phillips talks about information he's seen on the strange guardians of the caves, multiple videos and images that he was shown that proved

to him these creatures existed and had interactions with natives. So this spawned your interest in today's topic. Yes. The image, former Air Force, and Lockheed Skunk Works insider talks about the guardians of the cave. Here's the video. I'm going to line up to take a device, you know, this recording device like this and do research. They did. They eventually did. The guardians of the caves and the territory have been in the hands of the Native American in that area for hundreds and hundreds and maybe thousands of years. They are taught.

They are visited quite often, as they said. These people are not, you know, fringe, what I call fringe thinking. They're very solid. They believe in the great spirit, a very solid practice of treating one another here correctly, how you'd want to be treated. There were three caves. And this is where in Utah? And somewhere in the Wasatch Mountains, we're trying to line up to take a device,

you know, this recording device like this. and do research. They did. They eventually did. The guardians of the caves and the territory have been in the hands of the Native American in that area for hundreds and hundreds and maybe thousands of years. They are taught, they are visited quite often, as they said. These people are not, the caretakers, as they're called,

are visited by these extraterrestrials. But there's some big graves up there with people seven feet and over. Blonde-haired, red-haired, light-skinned, fairly well preserved. I mean, you know, where do they come from? I don't mean there's just one out of many. Have you seen these or did you go?

I've seen pictures of them. Yeah, I saw it. They brought back still pictures. Not only did they do video, they brought back still pictures. So how they opened up these caves, they look just like mountains. They, I don't know, some, who knows? I don't know, but they got in there.

Yeah, there's technology. Weapons or things that can heal. There's spacecraft, so I'm told. But this travel stone came out of one of where ancient records are kept. All right. Let's cut that out. Cut that out. So one thing that I forgot to mention, because later on in today's episode,

we're actually going to play a recording that I got for, from a wildlife officer. He works for the government out in Utah. And I met him a few years ago. And we've become friendly with each other. And I had him send me a voice memo today on what he told me years ago about what he learned about the area that he patrols. And I think on the recording, I don't think he said this.

I don't remember him saying it. But I'm pretty sure I remember him saying. years ago on the phone with me that one of the things that he was told is that there are guardians guarding this temple, this Nephilim temple in Utah. And it turns out there's seven of them. Or more, who knows?

Wow. So, I mean, do you, in all your stuff that you were looking into, Derek, do you recall seeing anything about guardians of these locations? Not specifically, no. Okay. No. So I wonder if this has a supernatural

natural implication is similarly the way that man described it on the on the Instagram reel made me the first thing I thought of was the the Ark of the Covenant story where supposedly it where it's buried the the remote viewers they saw guardians of the ark of the covenant you know yeah I was wondering if it maybe is it a similar thing where these things are dormant guardians unless you come near it and then they activate I I mean, with Brewer, it starts off. The story goes, it was a Native American who knew where the cave was that actually ends up showing Brewer where the cave is located. So it wouldn't be surprising if the Native Americans had knowledge of where all these locations are and they actually protect them from people finding them.

Yeah, you know what? I feel like he did say something like that about the Native American protection of it on that clip. We'll find out later. We'll find out later. Stay tuned. Yeah. So real quick to that point, here's an interesting pop culture reference to that. The new show, Welcome to Derry on HBO, it's an it TV show.

Like, they just made a show about It, The Clown. And the Native Americans protect the town from the world from it getting out. So, like, they have, like, a whole structure set up where they've placed guardians and pillars around the entire area. So anyway, it is, it is, like, even something that in pop culture is referenced. Like, that's what Native Americans would do. Hmm. Interesting. So, Derek, where do we go?

Where do we go from here? Do we hit the John Brewer story? We could hit the John Brewer story, or we could play that clip that we just found about the early settlers. That's also really interesting. Yeah, let's do that. Yeah, I think that'll time it better. The YouTube short, Jack. Came across a whole group of red-haired giants, different ages, young, small.

scared the bejibis out of them. So they were still alive. They were still alive. This is... In this late 1800s? Probably maybe 1860s. I don't know. This was shortly after the Saints moved to Salt Lake and Bergam Young immediately started sending people to the four corners of Settle.

So here they meet these redhead giants and scared the bejibis out of them so they went ahead and killed them all. And then they buried them. And then they took an oath that they would never tell anybody about this. They'd just keep it a secret. It's just really interesting, the correlation of the red-haired giants that we're going to see with Brewer as well in like this whole area. Even like what you were just talking about with the Oklahoma, like killing the giants in the late 1800s, that these entities, these beings, these people were still around, like maybe within 100 years of now. Yeah, they've been around, but then we also have the legends of them still being around and people talking about still seeing. still seeing them, and whether they're real or not, some of the videos have popped up over

the years. And it just makes you wonder how far gone are they actually, you know, because he said about the red hair giants, the Air Force guy that we just played on Instagram said about the red hair, blonde hair. John Brewer said that in the cave that he found, the mummies were, the king was red hair, the queen was blonde hair. And what's interesting is even, and I want to get into telling the story and the legend of John Brewer and this whole this whole cave story. But what's interesting is the petroglyphs at, what's the ranch called again? Maconkey. Maconkey Ranch. They display these giants that are adorned with very similar sketches as what John Brewer said he saw. So John Brewer went and sketched out what he saw on a piece of paper and the things that he was

sketching have been seen in other locations, including symbols. Do you want to tell the John Brewer story? I'll let you do it, but there's also really interesting evidences of other discoveries of very similar people in Salt Lake City, like all around Utah. They were discovering these tombs with red hair giants like pretty regularly. So there's evidence for that in old like articles, things like that, but it is very interesting how they all tie together. Even the Catalina Islands out in California, like those are blonde hair giants. Like it kind of all links all the way together throughout the Americas. No brown hair giants, no black hair giants.

No, blonder red. Blonder red. Geez. Blonder red. It's a real stereotype right there. So John Brewer and this case, so somebody who's really documented it well, and I don't think we're going to play his video, but I just want to give him a shout out as Terry Carter on YouTube. anybody can look him up. He's documented the Utah Giants extremely well throughout his channel's

existence. He's a treasure hunter that kind of, I think, got sidetracked with this stuff as well. And so I was just actually texting with him last night and he said that he hasn't given up on the hunt for all this. He's just kind of life is keeping them busy. But he does it when he can. So that's where we step in. Boys, I'm up for an adventure. You want to go to Utah? Let's go to Utah. Que the airport scene. We're out of here. I'm ready for an adventure.

And feel free to interrupt and jump in as we go here. But the story of this guy named John Brewer, he was looking for arrowheads to sell at a fair, I think it was. And another man told him to talk to this one local that knew where to get these arrowheads. And so for like a barrel of wine or something like that, he goes. goes to this man and the man said, give me a barrel of wine and you can have this location. So he tells him where to go. And he goes up there looking for the arrowheads and he comes back,

empty hand essentially. And he's like, that was a dud. And he talks to the guy and he's like, listen, I'll take you to the location. So it's just going to cost you another barrel of wine or whatever it was, a jug of wine,

I think is what the legend says. And so they go to the location and there's like this, this overhang, this like cliff overhang. And apparently, from what I understand, this is where they did a lot of manufacturing, you know, arrowhead making and different things like that.

So that's why this place is just so riddled with artifacts. And he told him, before he went up there, he said, listen, don't just pick off of what is on the surface. You've got to dig down into the ground, and that's where you're going to find a lot of the artifacts. And so John goes up and he starts digging, and he got down to about a foot, foot and a half, two feet deep. And all of a sudden, the ground, this is legend has it.

I think this is just the story that that we're retelling here. The ground lets out underneath him and he kind of goes down and he finds this like hole with, I believe it was seven steps going down. And this is the part of the story where I have a hard time picturing my mind because of the way it, I guess maybe it's just been told or whatever. I don't, like I haven't been able to talk to John himself, which I think is dead now. but I know he's dead now but it says at the bottom

of the steps there is this giant hole that John threw a rock down and it was so deep he couldn't hear the rock hit bottom and then to I think it was the left of the steps there was like this table or something where

manufacturing would happen he theorizes of of what later is believed to be a repository of records and but at this point, the scene unfolds into this whole other cavern that I just don't understand how we got from these steps that at the bottom have this gigantic gaping hole to now we can move freely around. So in my mind, my imagination is just not connecting it. Do you have any perspective on that?

Did you feel the same way? Yeah, the story's kind of rushed, you know, so it's hard to like conceptualize what they're saying exactly with that. So I have some notes here. So the central chamber. So to the left at the bottom of the stairs was a stone bench or table. Brewer believed it was used for transcribing records, plates, tablets, writings. Nearby were boxes wrapped in juniper bark and sealed with pitch containing metal plates and records. These weren't loose artifacts. They were intentionally preserved.

So right there, the scene that I was telling you, telling you, about there was things on there that gave John the feeling that this was not just random. It was intentionally placed. And this is where it seems like it kind of jumps. So we're at the stairs and this whole scene. And now we're jumping to this chamber, I suppose. And against one wall was a massive stone sarcophagus. And against another around the corner.

was a second one. So inside these sarcophaguses, he discovered because he left after this initial discovery, he left and got tools and stuff and pry bars and came back. And it said that he could, I got the sense that he could just barely do it, but he was able to get a pry bar and pry the lid, the stone lid off these things. And inside were these massive, mummified humanoid remains. And the reason why earlier I said king and queen is because they were dressed as if they were royalty, almost as if this was a burial chamber for a king and queen of long past. And they had medals and jewels, I suppose, a crown. The male was larger than the female. She was still extremely large. He had red hair. She had blonde hair. Again, no black hair, no brown.

hair. They got a particular taste. Okay. And so the image that Jack is showing with the, the king and queen, that is an AI rendition. That is not a photograph, just so everybody understands. You know, time-wise, I don't think that that was even a possibility in that era. But he did sketch these, the king and queen, and I had AI regenerated to make it look like it was. Jack, if you could show them the sketch itself. Did you already show them that? It's up there already. I'm looking at the wrong screen here. So the sketch is what John actually sketched supposedly. And there's other sketches too. I'm not sure if I sent him to Jack, but he actually sketched out the cavern. And again, I have a very hard time understanding.

it seems like there's a focus on the left side of the cavern and the right side of the cavern. I don't know if in the front the walls were collapsing, but it just seems like there was a lot of dust, a lot of debris, and it was never excavated. It was never searched. So we don't know if, like, there was more to this location. But anyways, the mummies, they were wearing full armor, a large source. sword placed next to the male mummy. The female mummy was also armored, and like I said, she was slightly smaller than the male.

They were positioned deliberately on different walls, oriented differently, not random burials. That's something that seems to be a key point as this scene was not like, like we were talking about the, or maybe we were talking about it before we went live, the idea of Native Americans kill. these giants, not the story of 1855 or something else. We've gone down so many rabbit holes in this way. I can't remember what we all talked about. But the idea that I've traditionally have had is that a lot of times I look at that era and these legends and when you start taking it in and you're like, okay, so how'd this happen? What happened? The thought is like Lovelock Cave, they were they were eradicated this is not that

it wasn't like they were chased into this cave and they just died there this was an intentional burial site that was done out of respect and with a lot of intent so this wasn't a massacre site this wasn't something that happened by chance this was deliberate

and according to the legend it seems like there's other locations too along one one wall, there were cut shelves holding bundled items. Brewer opened one. It was a cement-like box wrapped in juniper bark, coated with pitch, and contained records. Most of the bundles were left untouched, though. So I think he initially thought that he was going to be coming back to this location. He was, he discovered something

amazing and he was going to spend probably the rest of it. I mean, that would be my thought. If I discovered something like this, I would be, first of all, I wouldn't be doing what he did. I wouldn't be telling everybody. Okay. I'd be like keeping this quiet, you know, and I'd probably tell you guys probably, maybe, maybe, most likely because I need working hands. I need jack to feed me grapes while you dig. No, but, but, he tells people, and that's where it all unravels for him, I think. In the rear of the chamber beneath inches of dust, Brewer stumbled onto flat tablets.

When these tablets were assembled, they formed a map. And the map pointed to seven other locations across Utah from Spring City to Wales. Brewer physically visited some of these locations with other people. He believed they marked additional. record repositories. So this is fascinating because it suggests that there's several locations in Utah, just Utah. I have a suspicion that it's not just Utah. And when we look at the legend of the giants in America and how this all kind of is portrayed throughout history and then pop culture picks it up and does its own definition to it, and we're left holding a

bag of we don't know what's what. You go back to this idea of the Smithsonian and how the Smithsonian supposedly is hiding the bones, you know, and they have it all there. I'm not giving up on that. But there might be other organizations that hold the bones too. Oh, yeah. You know? Very true. And this idea that there's other locations like this suggests that all it takes is for one organization to get their hands on the fact that there are giant remains. And, you know, these aren't anybody who's tuning in that maybe first time here, I don't believe the giant remains are just giant humans. I think that they're supernatural beings.

And so I think that if there's a group of people, an organization that understands that gets their hands on these locations, they're going to start utilizing and trying to utilize the properties of the remains of these supernatural beings. you look like your gears are turning. Yeah, well, I mean, you're putting in the layup for me. So in Mante, Utah, which is right where he discovered, like, this is where Brewer's Cave is, is the Mantee Utah Temple is literally built, like, on top of the hill area. So it's interesting that Brewer being Mormon and also this, like, Mormon overlay kind of to this whole situation.

And we just played in that clip where they were saying that the, Brigham Young was asking his people to go and basically just eradicate the red hair giants from the land. So it's an interesting tie-in to all this. That's really interesting. If the Mormons have some kind of understanding of the giants in this area, are they covering things up? Yeah. I barely listened to what you were just saying because I was trying to send Jack something. But did you bring up the repositories, the vaults?

Did you bring those bolts? No, we could do that. We were just talking about the temple. Bolts. Bring up the volts. Yeah. Before you bring up the volts, though, I just wanted some logistical things here. Jack, I just text the group a picture, a screenshot from my Google Maps.

Remember what we're going with the volts and everything. 10-4. But if you can pull that, get ready to pull that up on the stream yard as soon as you pull it. Because yesterday and today, and these aren't nearly all the locations we've been talking about. But these are just some key locations that were popping out this morning. early this morning when we first started this this journey that I was just like this is interesting so this range I can't I can't ever pronounce it I've heard a million times a day wash wash wash watch I can't pronounce I probably said it wrong too this range is said

to be housing all this craziness right I can tell you it's not just this range because of my contact in Utah but just on this range there are some really interesting names of places and locations. So on this range is where we are suggesting that there are buried Nephilim giants. The remains of buried Nephilim giants. One of the towns right near this location is called Neffi, Utah, N-E-P-H-I.

Is that up? Is it up? Can you pull it up for the people so they can see it too? Neffi, Utah. Yeah. And another place in the location is another Mount Nebo. We just talked about that, I think, like last week. So he, which, God. He's trying to tell you something.

I'll get it out eventually. Like, we have a Mount Nebo here. There's a Mount Nebo in the Bible. There's a Mount Nebo in Utah. And all the locations have biblical references. Well, not the one here. I'm suggesting that. Right now, it just supposedly is filled with a drug addicts.

Just keep you away. But it's so dangerous that the police don't go up there. Why? Because there's probably some kind of territorial reigning spirit up there. Where does that come from? So like there's got to, like, listen, dude, there's got to be something with these mountain ebos. There's just got to be. And then there's this Temple Hill, which is what?

What was the Temple Hill thing again? Manti. So Manti is actually one of their like, that's what you were just talking about. It's one of their descendant, like priesthood, Mormon beliefs. it's like one of the spirits of the early Israelites who came to America. Same with Nephi. Nephi's actually one of their ancestral names of their ancestral spirit of the Israelis who came here. Really?

Yeah. Interesting. So that's why they called it Neffi. That's why it's Neph. It's actually Nephilim, but yeah. That's what we know. That's what I'm saying. That's a really strange correlation.

The book of Tony says. The book of Tony. But I just found it fascinating. So, the, anyways, you were talking about the vaults. Go. Yeah. So they have what's called the Granite Mountain Records Vault, which is really crazy. It is on the cliff edge of this giant piece of granite, and they say they hold family records only in there.

But like, why do you need a giant carved out granite vault with three giant doors and a giant space inside to hold family records? Yeah. Like, Mormons, like, that's crazy, right? Like you could have a normal brick and mortar building to hold records. It's in granite. It's interesting too because if you understand some of the Mormon theology, it seems like they believe these giants are actually the Jaredites. So they're actually lineage to the Mormons themselves.

So they're encompassing these Nephilim beings as like ancient Abraham sons. and therefore they're linked to the Mormons. So they believe that the Jaredites will actually be resurrected and be part of their whole belief system in the Second Coming. Jaredites being giants. Yes, Jaredites being these physical creatures that are still in existence or the remnants that they're finding in Utah. Jeez.

So that goes right along with this idea that we talked about in the beginning of the year, the underground, so many people, including myself, just get this sense that this is, this sounds very YouTube thumbnail, what I'm about to say, but the rise of the underground, right? It's the vibe that I've been really sensing this year and several other people have been expressing this as well. And so again, it takes us right back to this idea of the rising, the resurrection of what's under the ground coming to the surface.

Like, 2026 is going to be a year that I think we're going to, if we get a chance to look back on, because it's crazy already, we're going to be like, that was a turning point, you know? Like, for instance,

2012, you know, the Mayen calendar. Now, my encounter, December 25th came and went and, you know,

everybody was expecting the world to stop or whatever. Nothing seemed to have happened. But we do look back at, 2012 and say, that was a pivotal time period where things shifted for mankind. Another one, 1947 to 1948. That was a very pivotal time, the end of the war. Roswell, the book written, 1984 was written by George Orwell. Orwell, yeah. Like, there's, and there's way more. The formation of Israel. Like, there's so much that happened in that short period of time. You're like, that was a turning point for mankind.

There was a pivotal point. And it feels like I feel like in the present, 2026 feels like there's going to be able to look back and like there was something that shifted. And the things that, you know, Tony said the underground was going to rise. That never happened. But something happened in 2026, you know?

Like I just, and I hope I'm wrong. Like I don't want dead Nephilim resurrected giants walking the streets, right? But maybe. Maybe. So it's interesting, though, is that the mountain record vault is owned by the Mormon Church. And so it's their family records. So to make that connection, they think that if they are Jaredites, they would make sense if they kept the remains that they found in this,

because it would technically be family lineage to their beliefs. Yes, yes. And I'm looking at, and you know, it's pure and true and real. It was written in 2011. So, you know, it's real. It's before the shift. It's Neffi Code N-E-F-I-N-E-H-I-Code.

Dot Blogspot.com It's a part one article, The Structure of the Jaredites. Right here in the beginning it says, in describing the Jaredites, ether, on three separate occasions, described them as having impressive size and strength. And apparently, I guess,

Ether is, one, a book in... The Book of Mormon. And also, Ether, from what I understand and what I... Again, we have been all over the map today and yesterday. It's hard to understand the Mormon theology. Well, that's for sure. But, like, what we're talking about today, there's so many branches of this legend.

And some of those branches seem to tie other things in. And you're like, oh, wait, what's that over there? No, absolutely. But I think I remember seeing how Ether was an entity that appeared to John Brewer. Correct. And the instructions would suggest that Ether was protecting the remains of what could be the Jaredites. So could it be that the family record volts that you're talking about are actually housing the family records just going back to. ancient times of a

descendant race of Nephloon called the Jaredites. Right. And they're being housed in these vaults now, so they move from one cave to the other. What are they doing with the bones? We know where they're at, though. Storm the vaults. Who's with me?

In today's world, I better not say that because people might actually do it. Like all of a sudden, a week from now, there's going to be like this hashtag that's viral, storm the vault, storm the vault. Like area 51. One guy's there. I'm going to do it. The news first will show up and like, why did you suggest?

It was a joke. It was a joke. I was live on YouTube. It was a joke. Guys, go home. What's your message for the people in Utah, Tony? Go home. Don't get arrested.

I don't even know what's in there. Yeah. What's crazy, though, is you could easily, from like, a more Christian perspective, not a Mormon perspective, I would clearly define this as more of a Nephilim thing, where the Mormons will then call it Jaredites. So it is really nuanced in how you say it and what they are. Very nuanced. Okay, let's wrap up this Brewer story, I suppose.

Am I missing a crucial part that you can remember? I'm not talking to you, Jack, because you didn't study up on the legend. Derek? Well, it gets really interesting because Brewer is a Mormon, and then he's visited by Ether, Ether? Ether. Ether. I'll call it Ether. Probably Ether.

But he's visited by the Spirit of Ether. And then he, like, spiritually, like, transcends, right? And then, like, he has this whole other experience. So he did. I wasn't imagining that. No, yeah. That was, yeah, that's part of the story. Yeah.

And so, like, Ether's telling him to, like, it's not, like, this is, like, secret knowledge that he's not supposed to share with people yet. There's times coming and blah, blah, blah. So the normal kind of, like, you're being warned, you know, by this entity. So it's really strange. I mean, you have like entities, angelic beings, you have like principalities, powers, you have burial areas. Obviously, these are all bare. I mean, it's proven that these are burial areas all through here of the possibly gigantic, ancient Nephilim spirits and things like that.

So, all right, let me actually keep going through these notes here. I thought I was done, but I'm not. Inside the cave was what Brewer described as a melting pot or crucible, suggesting metals were working. were worked on site. This wasn't just a tomb. I think I already did this one, right? Yeah, I already did this one. It was a record keeping to preserve,

I guess, the history, I suppose. It's even suggested that it's a complex of record keeping. So it's like, it's not just, like the seven locations. It's like this is not just one location. It's like this entire network. It's a complex of underground family history. volts. Yeah. I mean, it has heavy Joseph Smith vibes of like the angel showed me. I found this map. No one's ever seen it. I've kind of been to these places. But it's very interesting.

And there's enough, I think, real evidence to make it, you know, interesting to talk about. So Brewer took some of the records and some of the evidence, but he didn't take it all. Then he sealed the entrance so thoroughly that he claimed you could stand within three feet of the entrance and never know it was there. And he later actually supposedly created a second entrance that only he could, that he knew where it was. And I got the sense that it was, I don't know if he was a small person, but I got the sense that this second entrance was not an entrance that just anybody could get in. So it was probably something You ever see those videos

Or those those cavers that go through Just like really tight spots And you're like turn their head sideways And just like exhaling all their air So they could squeeze through Like I want to die when I watch those videos And then I watch it again Because I'm a glutton for punishment

I'm like this guy's crazy He's so much more brave than me I got a sense that it was that kind of An entrance to a cave Like it's like very small Inconspicuous So anyways Later on he faced a lot of backlash over this

So knowing the danger He made a video explaining how to find the cave Created a map Put them in... Does that make sense? What time period was this? In the 50s? I guess he could have made a video then Yeah

Yeah, they had cell phones back then That's when it started So it could have even been in the 60s or 70s Yeah Made a video explaining how to find the cave created a map, and then he put them into bank escrow in Provo. Okay? So if anything happened to him, the materials would be released.

The recipient died, and it's unclear whether Brewer ever updated his escrow. Oh. So possibly. They're sitting in a vault. Possibly. That's cool. We, another vault! Storm that vault!

Just kidding, guys. It's a bang. Don't go there. But, I mean, theoretically, he could have spilled the beans on record, and that record is floating around somewhere. It might be in one of these family record vaults that we were just talking about. I don't know. It's just crazy.

So there was a big fallout. After the discovery, Brewer, he faced harassment threats. He was even shot at. He was assaulted, and he became so paranoid and withdrawn. eventually he was known to be saying that he had wished he'd never even found the cave. So like imagine finding the find of a century for anybody for you to be the one finding it

and then to say, I wish I had never found it. Like something that's so amazing, but it brought so much heartache drama into your life. You're like, I wish I just never found this place. I'm trying to think of an example of perspective, but I'll just say it's like, I think everybody when their kids growing up, like the idea of being a one in a million, like you dream of being that one in a million.

Like, like, I remember when Kobe Bryant was 18 years old in the NBA, and I was like, dude, like, what is it even, what is it even mean to be 18 in the NBA? You're like, you're one in a million, you know? And I used to dream like, oh, I want to be like, I'm going to be like Kobe. And I'm going to, I'm going to be that one in a million. But then at some point, the reality starts hitting it. And you're like, you're like, that ain't meant for me.

And most people go down that route of, I'm not that one a million. That doesn't happen for me. Like things like that don't happen for me. How many times when people say that? Things like that don't happen to me, right? And I was one of those people. And then all of a sudden, I find myself in this like dream job. And I would have said that the situation that I'm sitting in right now,

I would have been like, that's one in a million. Things like that don't happen to Tony Merkel. And then all of a sudden, here I am, right? And so putting myself in his shoes, something so dramatic happening that I find myself constantly saying, I wish I had never started that podcast.

That's crazy. You know what I'm saying? And so this is on a scale way bigger, way bigger to be saying, like theoretically, he is the only one that knows where the caves at, yet he's still saying,

I wish I never found it. I mean, it's got to be like the ridicule of the guys that were rafting down the Rio Grande and found the Egyptian allegedly, right? The Egyptian tombs and all the gold, you know, same things.

Like, who's going to believe you? Or, like, Joe Barger, you shoot Dogman, like, who's going to believe you? Tony. You're in the right place. I am. But the ridicule of coming out with, like, your truth is sometimes, like, not worth coming out at all.

Yeah. Yeah. Imagine how big of a deal this was that he faced such reactions, even being shot at. And this is in time where information wasn't widespread. This is probably very localized. But it was such a big deal that it caused that kind of drama in his life that he wishes he had never seen. Like think about what we're seeing in today's world, you know, and all the drama and people getting all riled up from internet personalities.

And they get mad. Like, for instance, five or six years ago, there was this guy in Texas, madman, madman. he went from Texas to like, I think it was Portland because there was a podcaster he hated and he went and killed the man. Wow. Or lady. I don't know what, I don't remember all the details, but it was like, it was a listener of a podcast

who had enough of something and went, found the person halfway across the country and killed them. Like, that's why. I see your mind going now. You know what I'm saying? That's why I'm so big on security. Makes sense. I don't make this.

stuff up, man. Like, I heard it one time and I blow it out of proportion. That's what I do. But it's like, that's the world we live in where information is so accessible. Sure. That you can ral masses of amounts of people up where danger could happen, right? But this was such a confined location, theoretically for the distribution level, that it was so impactful for that location that he faced that kind of backlash that he was even shot at. In Utah. Yeah. Well, they're like, you know, super cool out there. The things he found, I mean, he has those copper tablets. I saw them that Jack put him up a few minutes ago. But, you know, like those engravings, that language, they, a lot of

people thought they were fake, that he faked all of it, that it was actually, he created the desert alphabet, which is like a Mormon alphabet that created, that he actually wrote it on there to kind of like conjure up this prehistory that the Mormons want to believe. Hold on saying. So you're saying John Brewer actually has a piece of Mormon church history? Well, no. So I'm saying that, what's hard for a lot of people is that the language that's written on here, they think it's like Deseret. It's like this like Mormon-made alphabet that's supposed to be like prehistory. So it's in their in their theology and their belief system.

Yeah, that's what's on the tablets. And so he forged these to kind of like push the Mormon doctrine a little bit. But that also could go the opposite way with some of the theories we've followed out, right? So could it be that he actually found stuff that was being, confiscated on a grand scheme and put into volts that that's where they got that that language from, right? So could that be a route too? They could work both ways.

So like we could find a cave with this writing, put it in one of these, whatever you call, Mormon volts. And then they claim the language as their own. Jeez. Because they believe it is. They believe they're descendants of the Jaredites. Wow. See, I think Brewer, he got the short end of the stick, man.

John was just, he was just living life, man. He was just digging for arrowheads, trying to sell him at the local fair and accidentally fell into a hole and his whole life fell into a hole. Like, it's not fair, man. Visited by entities, like all that fun stuff. It's not fair, dude. Like, if John Brewer was live today, man, I put my arm around. I'm like, dude, I feel for you, bro.

Yeah. I feel for you. I wouldn't want to be in your shoes. No. You know? I wonder if his descendants are around today. I think his daughter's still alive. Yeah?

Dude, find her. Let's talk to her. Are you serious? Yeah, I saw you. Dude. Be really interesting. Yeah, dude, call her up. All right.

Let's do it. I'm serious, Derek. I'm on it. Okay. I got to stop and stare at us. Get her on my show. You're fired. And I'll hire her.

No, dude, that, I didn't even think about that when we were doing all this looking into it this morning. Because you were thinking 1850s. Dude, I was thinking 1850s. Yeah. Oh, man, I had the wrong century. Darn it. I was awful little. I was awful little. So, listen, this whole narrative of John Brewer is a story that has been around for quite some time. I've known about it for a while. I've never actually talked about it like this. But there are other things in the world that tie all this together. The little pieces to bigger pieces. little pieces as in things that we bring up on the show quite often about our local stuff. Like there's actual local stuff here in East Tennessee, like the Egyptian ruins, the Hebrew tablets, the Bat, the Bat, the Bat Tables, the Bat, Creek tablet. Yep.

Like, possible Hebrew writing on it. Like, there's a lot of, like, ancient biblical artifacts and history, that mythology that's here, that theoretically exists. You know, mainstream would say absolutely not, but we're not for that. and then you go across to Utah and they have their own little ecosystem of that kind of thing happening and then on top of that you have the LDS church

which seems to if you take certain paths and make certain turns you find that possibly there's some roots to this stuff that we're talking about within the LDS but then you talk about you know Lovelock Cave and the Native Americans killing the giants and putting them in caves to kill them And there's all these little pieces that tie things together.

And we talked about the different locations in Utah. And there's a specific mountain range in Utah. What's it called again? Washabi. Wasahachi? I don't know. What's up? Yeah, oh, man.

It's bad. I know. I know. It's, listen. Just a stupid podcast. Wasat. Wasatch. Wasach.

I know? Wasach. Okay. Anyways. Okay. Okay. in Utah. So this isn't, it's like, I think traditional, maybe not traditionally, I don't know.

I mean, I'm just looking into this today and yesterday. But it feels like that mountain range is heavily focused on with all these different legends. I think it is the seven locations that theoretically exist all within that mountain range. Do you know? Yeah. It's all like in that valley area. I'm pretty sure. Yeah.

So on another mountain range. You went to Basin. Is it called? You went to Mountain Range on the map? I forget what it's called. I don't know. But there's a mountain range that goes east to west from Salt Lake City out to basically Skinwalker Ranch.

And I went out to Vernal, Utah. Was it Jack? Two years ago now? Four almost. No, I wasn't. It's crazy. He hasn't. He's thinking, you're thinking the wrong thing.

I'm thinking about the conference I spoke at. Oh. Yeah, we went twice. So you can't blame me. I went three or four times in the last four years. But so I went out to Vernal, Utah, to speak at a conference. And at the conference, I didn't realize how close we were to Skinwalker Ranch, Space Wolf Research, Blind Frog Ranch, which is the one that I least have ever talked about.

I don't know a ton about it. I know there's a whole TV show about it. I just don't watch TV. So I'm out in this area of Vernal, Utah, that has all this stuff around. I don't know that. Until later that night, I went out to. Anyways. So I meet a guy that is standing at the conference.

And where Jack and I had our table set up, it was right next to one of the doors. It was like an entrance to the main conference room. And there's a guy standing there. And I strike up a conversation when he's standing. I think he's standing right next to my booth. and we start talking and he says that he's a local police officer or a federal. I think he's federal, a wildlife officer. And his job is to patrol like a massive amount of land.

Like a million acres or something. It's huge. And he's just one man because it's that desolate, that rural. There ain't nothing. Most of his days are spent not seeing a. single person. And ironically, the day I met him just the week before, he actually saw another person and got into shootout with him. So he's like, it's pretty uneventful, except for last week. Last week, I was shooting at people. But him and I strike it up. And, you know, just his,

his local knowledge of the area, his interest in different topics, we just became friendly. We exchanged information. Former Marine, real cool dude, living in Vernal. And we start connecting and keeping in touch with each other. And he calls me up one day to tell me about a situation that he finds himself in. And years prior, he had met a guy who was telling him, he was on patrol. He found these two guys out and I know where the exact location where this happened. He told me I'm not allowed to share.

I hate when he does that. I know. I hate when I have to do it. But he meets these guys who tell him about this local. Now, we're talking about this is, Jack, do you remember how long it took for us to drive from Salt Lake City out to Vernal? It was hours.

About two and a half or three hours. Two and a half, three hours? Yeah. Three hour drive. So we're talking a three-hour drive east of this mountain range where all this activity for John Brewer happened. And these local guys,

old men who were out there with dousing rods, tell him about this local legend of giants, chambers, Nephilim temples, buried within a two-mile radius of where he was standing.

So we have a geographical location and a generalized idea of how far you need to go in every direction. Who's ready to go? I'm ready. I mean, I mean, let's, maybe we, uh, we, we, we take like a two week sabbatical from here and we just tell the ladies, listen, figure it out.

Yep. Hubby's got to go. That'll work. I'm chasing legend and treasure. The confidence, Derek, just added that right there. Yeah, that'll work. We're chasing mythological unknown bones locations. Yes.

don't call me, I'll call you. Hey, but I'm getting paid, so that's good. It's kind of my job. Like, I can't even ask you. I'm in this weird position. I know you don't want me to go, but I can't even ask you. I have to tell you I'm going, because it's my job.

Sorry? I'm going. I'm going. Yeah. Absolutely. So, anyways, this location is, he calls me about and he lays it on me. And I had him this morning.

I called him up this morning, and everybody should be praying for him, too. Like, we were talking about how the prayers were affecting us here. We can feel your prayers. And in a couple of weeks, you're going to hear an episode with Joseph and Franco, which is going to expound on the power of your prayers. It's phenomenal. Like, if you listen to that and you walk away, like, I think maybe I'll start praying next week.

You're crazy. But this morning he, he, He didn't give me any details that I didn't ask, but he said over the last year he's been having health issues. And he's around my age, but he's been having health issues. And he said, he's not as serious as cancer, but I have been in hospital a couple of times.

And so I don't know what's going on, but I think he said the hospital a couple times. I don't remember it. It was early. But anyways, just pray for his health. But I did have him, uh,

shoot me a voice memo of this story he called me about. And because I was going to have, him hop on live with us, but timing, I was like, I honestly don't know. He's like, when you're going live? It's like, could be 10, could be noon. Jack made this late. Could scrap it the whole time and just say, nah, we ain't doing it. So I said, why don't you send me a voice memo? So he sent a voice memo that I want people to hear from him what this story is. And then I actually want to show, not right away, Jack, I'll tell you when to pull it up, but just get ready. I want to show people a picture that he sent me.

after he told me this story. So Jack, why don't you let people hear this amazing story? My name's Eric. I am a law enforcement officer for the U.S. Forest Service up here in Bernal, Utah. And early, early on in taking this job, I was patrolling on my mountain up above a place called Dry Fork Canyon. And, you know, it was, it was, I don't know if it was early winter or late winter, but there was snow on the ground. Most of the mountain was inaccessible. And we had headed up, or I had headed up to check kind of a lower elevation area that was in the snow, but you could still drive around.

As I got into this area, I saw some tracks, followed it in, and noticed there was a vehicle on the side of the road. So I was like, oh, well, somebody's in here. And drove a little further. I saw a couple guys standing out in a field and a little clearing with what I immediately saw to be dousing rods. And I'm like, well, this could be an interesting conversation done the least. And so, you know, kind of jumped out of the truck and wandered over to them and kind of introduced myself and just asking what they're up to. and they said they had just built these witching rods and they were just testing them out up there. Anyway, that led into, you know, talking about witching rods, and then that went to the Lost Roads mine and, like, you know, Spanish gold that's supposedly hidden all over the UNA and Wasatch Mountains.

Anyway, me being new to the area, this is all pretty, pretty new information to me. I think I'd maybe been there. I may have been in this area for six months at the time. We started talking about, you know, the Lost Roads Mine, and the older gentleman told me, you know, like, yeah, if you ever want to retire early, let me know. I know where all the gold is. I was like, why don't you have the gold if you know where it's at? He's like, well, I'm not touching it.

It's cursed. I'm like, oh, okay. Anyway, I don't really remember how he got on to it. He mentioned something about a Jaredite temple, something like, you know, there's a Jaredite temple up here. That's that for a second. The fact that he's bringing up Jaredite temples, I have to stress to people,

how much at the time of this meeting, he didn't know about this stuff. He was into strange things, and that's why it piqued his interest. But, like, there's no way Eric knew about the Jaredites. And the fact that this is all intertwined together, it just, for me, it's, like, in my mind, I'm like, he had this experience. and, you know, remind me, please write this down. I want to tell people what he has told us in a text message today about some newer things happening.

Go ahead and hit play jack. You're in dry fork, right? And I was like, I don't know what you're talking about. I don't even know what a Jaredite is. And so he explained to me, I guess in the LDS religion, Jaredites are like some kind of lost tribe of Israel. And again, this is going off a conversation I had six years ago. So I don't remember all the fine details of how he explained Jaredites.

But it sounds like when Noah was on the ark, Jared was told to build a barge. And he was in the barge with Jesus. And then said barge came down in Triforque Canyon, or that general area, I guess. And, yeah. that kind of that got weird and I was and he starts telling me about this Jaredite temple and how it's yeah so he describes this this temple as being like underground I got the impression you like can look down into it from like the ceiling kind of I don't know it was a little unclear and again I wasn't I didn't put any stock in any of this stuff at the time and so I just was listening to the story and didn't have any questions to ask, so to speak. But you said that it's like guarded by Blackfeet Warriors, which Blackfeet, Blackfoot, are Indian,

there are two tribes up like Montana, Canada, I think, Alberta. Like right there, that I knew it. I knew I heard of say it. I'm so glad he said it on the recording. Again, you got the guardians of whether it's supernatural entities guarding a location or Native Americans, we were talking about that earlier. So it's just, it's one of those things where these things are, the horses are circling the same narrative.

It's all, it's all tying together. And yeah, sorry, go ahead. I'm getting excited. Anyway, I was like, that seems weird. And I remember asking them, I was like, you mean like youts and he's like no no blackfeet like they're you know tougher better warriors or something which you know whatever that just seemed weird at the time and then uh he said inside the temple there's obviously lots of gold and there's like armor and there's all this stuff in

there and then he said there's six sarcophagus sarcophagi however you say that word um and inside each one of these sarcophagus is the body of a nephalum. Think John Brewer's story. Now, all credit to the legend, it seems like there was more parts of this cavern that John didn't explore. Maybe there was a collapse or something like that. But this whole legend that is surrounding John, Brewer is over two mummified giants.

This story that Eric is telling me that he was told about six years ago now was that there's a location that has another temple that has six sarcophicae, sarcophicus, sarcophagi. You know what I'm saying. I'm going to let you go. I'm having fun listening. But it's like, so think about the magnitude of the John Brewer legend. this legend that we're talking about now that Eric was told,

if true and if we can find it, we're talking about bigger legend than John Brewer himself. That's true. They're going to have legends and people are going to be talking about the Tony Merkel legend. This Tony Merkel came.

This frontiersman who travel from the wilds of East Tennessee to wrangle the wilds of the Utah. That's right. We're going to find them giants. we're going to find them giants show us the bones show us the bones carry on jack to me like nephelm was kind of like i was familiar with that from you know the bible and everything but again hadn't done a whole lot of research into it um and so anyway he was telling me something

about about this temple and the nephlem and then like something about something about in the last days like these these nephalm are i don't know being resurrected or something it just all sounded really weird to me and i remember just kind of chuckling to myself as i drove away and uh they're just like holy cow like i live in so i just got to say what we were saying earlier yep the resurrection the underground rising 2026 like there are so many there are so many topics talking about AI, disclosure, aliens, ET, all this stuff culminating this year. I mean, they're talking about massive changes in the AI world that could bring on the end of the world, right? They're talking about disclosure and how the defined feminine is going to reveal their self and all this stuff.

Like the occult symbolism with all this. Like it's all like 2026, 2026 this year, this year, this year. and now we have things like this, and it's like, dude, can you imagine if all these little different things were like partially right, you know? Like, for instance, the divine feminine. Like, I'm not saying the divine feminine isn't real. I'm just saying it's a demon. It ain't Jesus. It ain't divine.

But it's just like all this stuff that they're saying is going to happen this year, this year, this year. And then things like this makes me. feel like, shoot, dude, if a fraction of what they're saying is going to happen this year, like, we might just see Jaredites walk in the streets of Salt Lake City. That'd be wild. Nine foot tall, red bearded man. Can you imagine? Imagine.

Nephilim Blaster 2000, please. All right, let's go. Such a weird place. And then, shoot, it's probably been probably two or two or three. three years after this incident incident was when I kind of started diving deep into like maybe this stuff isn't all just stories. And I guess the one other piece that was odd to me is Mconki Ranch is a petroglyph site. It's all on private land. But it's some of the one of the densest collections of petroglyphs.

I don't know if it's like in the country or just Utah or what, but it's, I mean, it's expansive. And large portions of the public to just go, you know, you pay like the little entrance fee or whatever and just go take a look at it. But they've got a panel called the Three Kings panel, which, oddly enough, has six figures on it that all look really large.

And so it's just like one of those things that I kind of cross my mind like, that's kind of weird because then I'm thinking back to this guy's story about the six Nephilim. I don't know why they call it the Three Kings panel. Maybe there's a, there's a explanation like for why they call it three kings if there's six people on it. but anyway. So let's just brainstorm out loud real quick about the Three Kings panel. And he was saying there's six giants, right? Was I hearing that right?

There's six. Yeah. So people on it. We, Jack and I were out there with the other guys, Joel Ward and them several years ago shooting the documentary, The Shape of Shadows. And we visited this location. Jack, I think I sent some pictures that I took. So if you could cue those up and throw them up,

these are pictures that I took personally with my own cell phone. So you know I was there. No copy. If you don't think I was there, show him the next picture, Jack. Yeah, see, that's me. That's me. A little thinner. But we spent a time out there and we went and visited this location.

It's 100% real. It's public access. You can get to it. I think there's some rules like they ask you not to climb on certain things. You can climb up on certain things, but like not other things. What's interesting is Eric texts me today when I was talking about all this stuff. And he said, oh, I forgot to tell you. The state just hired a new ranger for the area, and he's related to the McCongueys.

And he said that he, I guess this ranger told Eric that he could arrange for a private tour beyond what is accessible to the public. And Eric said, I'll wait to call in that favor for when you come out here. Let's go. That one, again, let's go. That one's crazy. That's clearly like giants with like small little people. And then the spiral is always like they interpret that as like portals. And then the hand from the one that you're in, that's just like the Judah color rock. It's literally almost identical to what we talked about like to that six finger hand that we find in Judah color rocks. So that's really crazy. Yeah. So the three kings, six giants on there, could this be, and just were openly theorizing today, obviously, that's what I do all the time.

Just judging by the John Brewer's story and legend, the fact that he had a map that had seven other locations, could it be that these, now this is saying six kings or three kings, six giants on there, could this be showing and depicting a hierarchy of the region amongst these supernatural beings that they all shared a specific location

and there was this like maybe even existing in harmony, you know, like they have, there was some kind of structure in place. that maybe even, dare I say, a inversion, a mockery of a divine counsel, you know, some kind of idea of there being a counsel of these godlike beings in this location. And could these chambers, tombs, caves, all this stuff, be housing not the remains of Nephilim giants, but the remains of dead kings and queen nephelum giants. Bro, that's crazy.

Because if you read Deuteronomy 32.8, I think verse 8 it talks about, let me pull it out. But it also ties in with Joshua really well. Because when Joshua goes and takes the promised land, there isn't just like one big nephalum king. They're all subdivided into these little regional towns where each nephalum king, had his land. Pull it out. And so they, like, when they had to go to Jericho and they had to go to I and they had to go to all these different places, they were different, like, kings for each little city.

It wasn't like a kingdom. Wow. So it was all, like, subdivided into their regions, probably because they were big and powerful. They don't want to really fight each other because they're brothers. Yeah. You know? And so if we see this kind of, like, with the three kings, if that's a similar kind of concept to Joshua when he's coming into the land. So while you're finding that, it's interesting.

because what you just said, probably because they're brothers and they don't want to fight each other, it's like, it's like this tribe of kingship, and they have their own geographical location that they've subdivided up to territories. And then throughout the entire world,

could there have been other sex like this throughout the world, which takes you back to the East Tennessee and all the weird things we've been finding here and the idea that there definitely could be, Well, I mean, not could be. There's a legend that there's some kind of pyramid-type structure in the Smoky Mountains. And could there be something like this here or other locations? What if those are like the territorial spirits is like the disembodied spirit of these Nephilim burial areas?

What if? Yeah, I'm going to one-up you. Okay. I see you and I give you. I raise you. I raise you. What if in the petroglyphs, the spirals, what you? suggest to be a symbol of a portal is how these these these territorial spirits manifest themselves

to their territory in the physical to display their power to the man to human yeah well for sure dang it dude this is great we solved it okay I saw he had the scripture up so it's Deuter Army 32 8 so I actually was in my my library and I got Gary Wayne's Genesis 6 and what's the name of the rest of the title of the book? Conspiracy? Yeah. So he actually references this as far as like heavenly assigned territories. And there's some discrepancy because of the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Greek version, which read they like translate it a little differently.

But it says when the most assigned lands to the nations, when he divided up the human race, he established the boundaries of the peoples according to the number in his heavenly court. So that's, I'm reading the NLT. But like, so that translation to Gary Wayne, it's almost like they were given a specific place. Like these heavenly court were divided out and were given lands to basically rule over. Which kind of goes into the episode we came out with Vicki Joy Anderson and Dr. Laura Sanger this past Tuesday talking about needing authority and what authority are you coming in. And the idea that you can't just march into areas that you haven't been given permission to go to, divine permission to go to to wage war. It has to be strategic. Like, warfare is strategic.

Right. And so, um, this is all, see, what I'm saying, man. Like, it's all kind of coming together. And then when we're done with the live, I'm going to forget everything. It's just the way it works. I'll retain like a fraction of what we just talked about. And then like, two weeks of, you're going to be like, hey, remember when you said? I'm like, I didn't say that.

No, you totally said that. You'll show me the record. I'm like, oh, dang, I did say that. But that's wild stuff. Yeah. So anyways, how did we get on that? I was going to just mention like Joshua and kind of the story like of the five kings because it's the same alert, like when he's taking over the land, these five kings decide

they're going to like come against him. And so it's really interesting. It's the Gibbons that actually like unite with the Israelites. And they're actually the, the, the strong warriors, they're the mighty men. The Ghibionites are actually, the Hebrew, like, is the mighty men. And they join with Israel. So then these five kings who are probably, Gary Wayne suggests that a lot of these

Canaanites, most of them were most, because the kings are the Nephilim. Like, they're the ones that rule over people. So it's highly likely that not maybe, if not all, most of these kings were Nephlin beings themselves. So. And they come against and fight the Gibyanites for making an alliance with the Israelites. Interesting. I believe it was Gary Wayne that also suggested when it came to David's Mighty Men that there is, that one, there's not a strong argument to made that all of David's Mighty Men were Nephilim. When you read the description of them, you're like, oh, these are like super soldier hybrid humans that teamed up with David. But he does make the argument that one of the, one of the Mighty Men comes from a tribe that was a Nephilim descendant tribe. And so that that person, whoever, I can't remember the name of the person, I haven't looked at this in a while,

but that one specific person that's mentioned was probably a hybrid human being fighting as one of David's Mighty Men. Yes, translated gibberim in the Hebrew. Okay. Which you know, I know Joel's mentioned that a bunch of times, yeah. It's like, we went from Utah, a giant legend cave to, or what is that? they call it the LDS Church's temple not the temple but the thing that they're

housing the records. Oh, the vault. The vault. The LDS vault. Yeah. To East Tennessee to now we're going back to ancient Israel and it all just kind of goes dude, can I share what the Lord kind of put on me yesterday? It is so cool. So

in Joshua 10 if you guys want to read it it is so neat. This is when the sun stands still, right? And so these five most likely Nephilim kings are coming against the people of Israel and the Ghibionites. And this is when the sun stands still and they're actually hit with like hail. And the hail kills more people than the Israelites can't kill. What's crazy is in their Canaanite belief, the sun god was L.

He was the father. And the son Bayal was the god of the storms and the tempest. So it's like literally God's like saying, you don't have power here. He's like, I'm going to hold the sun still and I'm going to hit you guys with hail and mighty storms like your gods think they have control over. They don't. Yeah. So like already that's so amazing. So during this whole thing, the five kings go and they escape into a cave, right? And then Joshua orders them to seal the cave off, why they go and kill off all the other rest of the army. When they're done destroying the army, they come back to the cave. They open the tomb up.

they open up because caves are referenced always like with Abraham with Jesus like a cave is an area of a tomb right like it is always depicted that way so they bring the five kings out and he says he asks the commanders of his armies to come and put your feet on the necks of the kings and he says don't ever be afraid or discouraged Joshua told them be strong and courageous for the Lord is going to do this to all of your enemies man I got goosebumps even reading it But like, we don't need even be afraid of this stuff. Like, he's already, he's like, come, my commanders, you're going to put your foot on the necks of these Nephilim kings, right?

And where do we have? What's the correlation of this? This is Jesus, right? This is Jesus and Luke 1019 when they go and he's sending out the 70 to go and witness and cast out demons. He's like, you're going to trample on snakes and scorpion. And he's talking about the powers of Satan. Like, we see it again.

And even in Genesis 3 where he talks about like, you're going to bite his head. you're going to pierce his heel, like this aspect of like we are going to dominate, we're going to crush his head, we're going to have control over them because Jesus already won the battle, man. And so that's what's so cool. Like we already see this in Joshua, this depiction of Christ, like conquering the Nephilim powers already. It's like a pattern throughout all scripture. All scripture. Victory, victory, victory.

Yeah. And like even it ends in victory. Yep. That's wild. I love it. You shared that with me earlier this morning. I was like, make sure you see that on the show. So I'm glad you did.

Because I totally forgot. Hey, that's good. But so we talked about all this stuff and the idea that in the end, the Jaredites are going to be resurrected, right? Are we approaching the end? What does that end look like? Does in the end the resurrection of the Jaredites, according to the legend, does that happen instantaneously? Is there a progression? Does it happen slowly?

could the Jaredites be resurrecting now? Could they have been resurrecting? Could they be slowly coming back? Could 20206 be the acceleration point to all that? Could the underground be coming to the surface and manifesting itself? Well, there's a picture that Eric sent me when he told me this legend. And we call the guy that told him this whole thing. We call him Q.

Okay? I don't know the guy's real name. He does. Eric knew somebody that Eric knew somebody who actually was cousins with Q I think that's how it goes

and he actually arranged for Eric to sit down with Q and so Eric's had conversations with Q Q. Q gave him a picture that when I first received it from Eric he told me I wasn't allowed to post publicly I was not allowed to share

and I say okay I won't and quite frankly I forgot about it until I was scrolling through my text messages with Eric trying to remember this story before I finally just text and I'm like, hey, dude, can you just send me a voicemail? And I came across this picture. Jack, if you can put the picture up and show people, Q took this picture of his bootprint

next to a giant footprint. Now, I don't know how large that boot print is, but I can tell you, even if that bootprint was made by my eight-year-old who is the size of a 10-year-old, that's one large footprint. That's a wide footprint. Like, if I took my eight-year-old shoe and made an imprint in the dirt, and then I put my foot next to it,

it would not even remotely look like that. You know? Like, that would have to be an infant, I'd suppose. That's a huge footprint. It's a wide, that's not a human footprint. No. And you see, like, the mid-tarsal break in it almost, where it looks like it's bending at the middle point of the foot.

That's crazy. So is it Bigfoot? I didn't even think about that. I got giants in the brain. I didn't even think about Bigfoot. Or is Bigfoot in Utah? Is it more giants than Bigfoot? Oh, man.

So we have this picture from Q. And I find it fascinating. I love it. I love it. And, you know, anybody who says it's AI, you can feel free to say it if you want. But I can tell you at the time of this record, January of 2026, we are just now getting to a point where we can make actual realistic

images with AI. I could probably make that right now. I received that over a year ago when AI was not what it is right now. Moving forward, I mean, anything can be faked, you know? That's why it's just like whatever. I mean, I think most people are probably numb to it and they're just like, oh, cool picture, I suppose. Who cares? You know, 10 years ago, that would have been like, whoa, you know, that would have got people jumping on Facebook, at least. All the Facebook groups would have had in sharing it around and everything. So in the land of giants, there's a footprint of a giant. Wouldn't you know it?

That's crazy. I love it. Listen, I had fun doing this conversation. And I think we did okay for pivoting last minute. You always pivot. I always pivot. So that was the pivot. Maybe we should just call this show The Pivot.

Welcome to the Pivot, everybody. What's on Tony's mind? Correct. Pivot! We can have like Ross from friends as like the logo yelling Pivot. shoot, man. Listen, I appreciate everybody for watching live, everybody who watches it on replay, people who listen to it on replay.

I appreciate everybody. Love you guys. Thank you very much for, you know, consuming this content. And apparently you guys enjoy it. We're going to keep trying to bring you guys stuff that you enjoy. You guys got anything else you want to say before we get out of here? Final words, Jack. Next up, Derek, final words.

Me? Yeah. Like, subscribe, be a member. It really helps us all out a lot, a lot. And we appreciate everyone's support. And all your prayers, honestly. A lot of people say they're praying for all of us. We all appreciate it.

Yeah, that's great. Totally. In fact, you're always going to the PO box getting mail from people. And a lot of the stuff that comes in is letters of people just saying, just simply that, praying for you stuff. And I think the letter you brought in just, I think it was yesterday, it was addressed to the confessionals team, everybody. It listed you, Jack,

Lindsay, everybody. And it was just, it was really cool. Do you remember the person's name? I don't remember. Melissa. Melissa. Shout out to Melissa. And often we get emails from people saying, do you have an address?

We do have an address. I don't have it memorized. But all you got to do is go to the professionals podcast.com. Go to Merkel.com. One of those two websites on the very bottom of the page you'll see in the center is the PO box. You can send stuff to. Send us letters.

Just keep your anthrax. It's 257. It's also in the. description of every episode and every live. So you can find the PO box. Yeah. So send me more free crap, you know? Or if you have some Utah tablets hanging around, send them on down.

Please. If I just haven't happened to this John Brewer signed tablet, I would love to collect it. I'll put it on the wall behind Jack and we'll display it. That's cool. But yeah, and just what you just said sparked my thought here. And it might be too soon to say, so I'm just going to say it anyways. Jack and I shake our heads. Here we go.

We're working on some new merch. Yeah. And there's a, there's, I mean, tears and levels to it, you know, as far as quality. There's going to be the traditional merch that we have and we'll come out with new designs. We're going to come out with new designs. We're talking to a local printer and all this stuff. But we are also looking at possibly coming out with another merch line that's, higher quality stuff. So I become aware that I'm not like this. I'm still like stuck in the 90s where,

you know, like you can rub cheetos all over my face and throw me down a dirt hill. Snort like, Kool-Aid. Yeah, it's just like whatever. You know, it's like, just rub it off. You'll be fine. You know, stop being a wimp and all that stuff. But there are a lot of people who take serious about what their clothes are made out of, you know, and I didn't know there's plastics and cotton. Apparently there's plastics and cotton and they affect your frequencies and everybody's worried about it. No, there's no plastic. Not cotton. Okay. They're blends. Blends.

Whatever. See, I don't know. I'm from the 90s, man. I'm still there. But there's a lot of material, I suppose, that people are not down with. And so we're looking at possibly coming out with some higher level quality stuff for people to wear on their bodies. And just like everyday apparel. I've been saying it on the intros for the past like month anyway.

Oh, have you? Yeah. So when you said what you were saying, I was like, oh, yeah, that's fine. Okay, cool. It was funny as I was talking to Lindsay about it yesterday, and she walks into our closet, and she pulls out some shirts, and she's like, feel these. And I was like, oh, that feels nice. She's like, yeah, that's what quality is.

Yeah, she's like, she's like, I don't wear these often because they're really nice, and I want to keep them nice, you know? And I was like, well, they feel really nice. And she's like, yes, they're better than your stupid T-shirts, you always. buy, you know, because I'm always just buying like this stupid black t-shirts and I rotate them. So anyways. They say cotton's better for healing and for your body frequency. I'm going to try, I'm going to try leveling up my own game of what I'm wearing so that maybe it fixes my brain or something. I don't know.

There you go. That's the whole goal is for Tony to actually wear the stuff that we sell. Get all the, yeah. That's my goal. We have a member's question there if you guys want to address that. Go ahead. I can't read it. Can we please get some girl colors, purple, pink, and black? Well, the black is already, you know, Tony's about black.

You want black? You got it. No, absolutely. We're going to be diversifying everything on the merch website. So something for everybody. That's the goal. And listen, the way we're going to do this is my hands are going to be off of it. Don't ask me.

Ask Derek. Ask Jack. Send all the complaints to me. Derek is consulting with his wife. I have nothing to do with it. And that's a good thing. Because if it was up to me, it'd be like, the confessions, what do you offer?

Black t-shirts with the confessionals logo on the inside collar. Why? That's what I wear. It's kind of what we did have. I mean, it's like very close. I'm not good at this stuff. Like, I just, in order to spice things up, I decided to get a bunch of flannels,

and I put them over my everyday wear black t-shirts. And so that's as good as I got. So anyways, guys, I appreciate everybody being here. Thanks for tuning in live. And until next time, I see is I think we're going to go live Monday. Hopefully, we have no idea what we're talking about, but we're going to try to go live Monday.

It's not up to me. It's not up to me either. It's up to whatever my brain tells me. All right, Jack, get us out of here, man. Oh, boy. Is that a slingshot? Yeah, yeah. Flingshot season. Grace hit me like, boom. Can't miss snow.

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Now I'm up in the hills with a food bag God took all my elves ran through that Now the wind stack high like a new stack Every step with the light that's a blueprint Whole pack getting bright cause he doing it He the king so the crown got a new fit And the cross here harder than a new clip We ain't here just the body's a movement

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Blood bought brand new, never dreamed up. Every thorn outta stone trying to team up. Got 50,000 standing here feeling beamed up. I remember them nice in the struggle. Feeling way down deep by the trouble. But he showed up strong, bro, the muzzle. Now the faith built bit like a double. We ain't here for the frame of the flash.

We just point to the king, let him flash. Living water in the cup, no cap in the well, don't run dry, that's that fax. Now we run another pat with a show step. Every loss is a set up for the best yet. Every giant in my face is a test back. Got swing once. We're like, boom, boom, boom, came in snow.