The Connect- with Johnny Mitchell - 257

Episode Date: September 27, 2026

Former Hells Angel Joby Walters sits down to tell the unbelievable story of how he entered the outlaw motorcycle world at nearly 50 years old, rose through the ranks, survived one of the most infamous biker wars in American history, and eventually walked away from it all. Joby recounts meeting legendary Hells Angel Sonny Barger, earning his patch, and becoming deeply involved in the Arizona club scene during escalating conflicts with the Mongols, Vagos, Bandidos, and other outlaw motorcycle clubs. He gives a firsthand account of the deadly 2002 fight at Harrah’s Casino in Laughlin, Nevada, describing the moments leading up to the violence, the chaos inside the casino, and the death of one of his closest brothers. Joby also tells the incredible story of ATF agent Jay Dobyns infiltrating the Hells Angels, a staged murder used to gain the club’s trust, the moment Joby realized something wasn’t right, and the federal investigation that followed. Facing potentially decades behind bars, Joby fled to Mexico, where he spent years living under a new identity, riding through the mountains, hunting mountain lions and bears, and eventually beginning the spiritual transformation that would change the direction of his life. After prison, violence, betrayal, and losing nearly everything, Joby walked away from the Hells Angels and found a new purpose through faith. Go Support Joby! Website: https://www.jobywalters.com/ Book: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0HC3QQ54S This Episode Is #Sponsored By The Following: Perplexity! Start your free trial of Perplexity Computer today at https://PPLX.ai/CONNECT and experience the next phase of AI. #ad CashApp! Download Cash App Today: https://capl.onelink.me/vFut/1ekoiacn #CashAppPod Cash App is a financial services platform, not a bank. Banking services provided by Cash App’s bank partner(s). Prepaid debit cards issued by Sutton Bank, Member FDIC. Cash App Visa® Debit Flex Cards issued by Sutton Bank, Member FDIC, and The Bancorp Bank, N.A., pursuant to a license from Visa U.S.A. Inc. See terms and conditions for the Sutton prepaid card, Sutton debit flex card, and Bancorp debit flex card. Cash App Green features, Savings, Direct deposit, Round ups, Overdraft coverage and Discounts provided by Cash App, a Block, Inc. brand. Visit cash.app/legal/podcast for full disclosures. PrizePicks! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/CONNECT and use code CONNECT and get $150 if you win your first $5 lineup! Join The Patreon For Bonus Content! https://www.patreon.com/theconnectshow 0:00 Joby Walters: Hells Angels Outlaw Story 6:15 Getting Sober Before Joining the Hells Angels 11:52 The Bullhead Confrontation 18:08 Meeting Sonny Barger 25:00 This Episode Is Sponsored By Perplexity AI 26:47 From Prospect to Full-Patch Hells Angel 34:18 Expanding the Hells Angels in Arizona 41:16 Early Club Wars & Mongols Tensions 48:15 This Episode Is Sponsored By Cash App 49:25 The Laughlin Riot: How It Started 57:07 The Laughlin Shootout Explodes 1:05:03 Aftermath, Arrests & the Mongols War 1:07:15 This Episode Is Sponsored By PrizePicks 1:08:54 Two and a Half Years in Mexico 1:20:01 The ATF Undercover Infiltration 1:27:33 The Revenge Plot & Fake Murder Setup 1:35:03 Realizing They Were Undercover 1:43:31 Federal Indictments & Conspiracy Charges 1:50:43 Facing Prison & Beating the Federal Case 1:57:40 Getting Out, Probation & Faith 2:04:06 Bandidos, Sonny Barger & Old Club Wars 2:11:03 Old-School Biker Life & Final Thoughts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Free of charge. BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with Eye Gaming Ontario. One day I thought, I want to build a bike again. Went to Oakland, met Sonny with Hoover. And I looked right at him, and I said, I think I'll join your club. And I went and told Sonny, I said, I'm ready, man. I'm ready to Hell's Angel. I went to Loughlin.

Well, when I went up there, I saw mongle packages. And that's when the phone call came. Hell's Angels, Teheras. I said, you got a gun? He said, yeah. I said, people are going to die tonight. 63 of us walked in there, up against 100-and-some Mongols. It set off. I stabbed that national president twice.

I knew it was going to be a tough war. And I thought, better get a state meeting. All the honchos, the whole state, come up, and we found two bugs in the room, clear in the room. I said, get ready for conspiracy. And four days later, we were raided. Imagine joining an outlaw motorcycle club at 49 years old. That's the story of Joby Walters, a former Hells Angel who rose the ranks of the H.A. to become a leading figure in the organization.

Joby was in deep. He gave his life to the club. He was close friends with Hell's Angel leader Sunny Barger and was on the front lines of the war against the Mongols, including the infamous shootout at Hara's casino in Laughlin, Nevada, in which three bikers ended up dead. Joby is a real outlaw, the last of the old school gangsters. He put out a hit against the Mongol who killed his partner at Hara's

and then beat the federal murder conspiracy against him. How many people can say they did that? He finally left the Hells Angels and lives as a rancher now in rural Arizona and has written a book about his life, cut free. The link to that will be in the description below. No member of the Hells Angel has seen or done as much as Jobi and lived to tell about it. This is as outlaw as it gets. The one and only Jobi Walters right here on The Connect with Johnny Mitchell.

Arizona on a 1972 Ironhead Sportster on a rigid Springer front end with a pair of crutches strapped to it because of my broke foot. It was Arizona like the mecca of the HA? No. That was a dirty dozen, man. And I tell you what, when I showed up there, it took me just about maybe 20, 25 years after I rode into Arizona, got a job. Unloading, I'll tell you that I'll tell the story for you.

And at a stable, I was with some linos in Central Park, broke biker, dirt jeans, grind, you know, leaking Harley, you know. And as cowboy come across there, said, I got a semi-load of hay out of Craig Colorado. I need to unload a stable at South Mountain, Ponderosa stable. What kind of stable? It's a dude's stable. We take people on rides in those mountains over there. I said, well, I'll work. And I followed him here on my bike, and we unloaded that hay.

And the driver said, man, you work hard. You've been around horses or anything before. I said, oh, yeah. I said, grew up country, man. He said, well, they need help here. And I said, yeah, I'll give it a shot. Pushed the bike away. Went down to the thrift store and bought a cowboy hat

and a cowboy boots and a vest. And that's where my career of riding, guiding, hounds, the professional I am today, started right there. And then it went. on, I've guided all over the country. I've packed big horn sheep. I'm from Montana to Callisville to white fish in the mountains, Arizona, to San Juan's Colorado, the Hells Canyon to the Snake River, packed for hot-shot firefighters on their duties down in there, putting fires out, and I'm packing them up with a string of mules. I've been through it. I'm a professional. And then one day I thought,

I'm going to build a bike again. And that's when my story of that. Los Angeles that come on. So what year was that? When I decided I wanted to build one again, was in 97, 96, and I went to Canada and guided bear hunters, and that was my rat hole money for it. And I came back from there, my buddies.

You know, I shot pool, but I didn't drink. I quit a long 92. June 3rd, 1.30 and a half afternoon, after taking on Durango's finest, with a nose full of cocaine and a gullet full of Jack Daniels. I took them on. In Durango. In Durango, Colorado, El Rancho, I fought five Indians.

Another cowboy came off the bar and helped me with them. Whole stick bar, 45 record player shattered. I mean, it was on. And we walked out of course we wanted to. And they pulled me over at the end of town, and I didn't know what I looked like. I was high. I was high.

I mean, pull ball strung and pool sticks crashing. And this cowboy come off to help me. He knew what he was doing, man. We went five Indians. Yeah, we did. And the cop looked at me. I didn't know what I looked like, but I was busted up. And he went like that, and I said,

you better push a little button what you got because there ain't enough you taped me to jail. Well, he brought enough. And while I was waiting, that was when you could get out, I finished off that little bit of track. and I had a little vial coke left and I snorted it up while he stood right there and watched me

and they took me to jail. And that's what got you sober? Pretty much. It was that work release program that I went back to up there sitting at a stable that a friend of mine owned that had trout pond said he had signed me out.

She won a horse a day for me, Jobie and you and Marlow go do what you want. And if they wanted to where you're at, you're helping me on my fence. And I sat in her fishing for trout, and she was going to go at stores, 1.30 afternoon, June 3rd, 1992. And she said, what do you want me to get for these fish? I said, I get a salad and potato flakes full bread them up. She goes, you don't have to go to jail, work release, in and out.

You don't have to go in for two days. You want something to drink. That was it. So you got sober before you joined the Hells Angels? Oh, absolutely. I was sober for years before. How many people can say that? None.

I never met him. Because what sober person in the right mind would join the most infamous biker club, outlaw biker club in the world? Looking for something, man, looking for family, looking for brotherhood. That's what I was looking for. And man, that's the top of the food chain. Why wouldn't I want to? When I set my mind to take, and I, I, how do I want to say this? My dog, I had hounds and everything at that time.

I was hunting Mount lions and had mown horses and living, you know, with a good, good woman. And went to Oakland, met Sunny with Hoover, you know. That's how I found the Hells Angels was a girlfriend of mine who was dating Hoover. And when I came back from Canada, I mean, herschup pulled together, hung out, good girl, you know. We were pals, but she drank and I didn't. And my buddies told me, say, hey, Don's dating the Hell's Angel. man, you better have a talk with her. I've already been through that world, man.

You know, with the Avengers, the pagans, the outlaws, I've been around them. He just, that's another man. It just so happens that he's at the top of the future. He's the Hell's Angel. And the dirty dozen just went, that was their first year of being Hell's Angels.

Well, I went to visit her at the bar, she worked at, and he squealed, come out there and said, and there was Hoover sitting there at the bar. Who's Hoover? Hoover, Seabert. They shot him right there. it's in my book.

They snipered him. It was the feds that killed him. He was wanting peace, man. Hoover, Hoover had been through it, you know. He'd been, you know, been on the bag when he was a, you know, dirty dozen, like all of them, you know. But when Hoover took over Cave Creek and I met Hoover, Hoover had principles, man.

You know, he was looking at a club and he was a sure enough biker, just like I was, dirty at the times, but he always wanted peace. I remember asking him when I got, you know, are we at war with anybody? And he looked at me because, no, man, we're not at war with them. Like, why do you want to say something like that? Because it's, what else do you think? You know, one percent are hell's dangerous. Who are we fighting now?

Now we're fighting all of on all fronts, you know. But she introduced me to Hoover, and he said, you're that tour hunting guide she talks about. And I laughed. I said, yes, I am. Good to meet you. He said,

she said, you used to ride, which I told her I'd rode with the Avengers in West Virginia at one time or another. You know, I'd like to do another bike.

And I said, yeah, out of West Virginia, Avengers, that way back. He says, well, I'm from Michigan

originally. And that was him telling me that I know the Avengers because every county up there had Avengers in them.

and he was from there and he knew him in Ohio, West Virginia, Kentucky, and that's what he was telling me when he said that. And I knew what name dropping was when you know, and I asked him that right then. And I said, let's step outside. He had his bike out there. And I said, do we do you know this name dropping or what? I said, hit it.

He said, Pinky. I said, Adamo, names, you know. heavy names, big names in that world. And I'll tell you what, them Avengers were no joke. Who were the Avengers, and how did it relate to the Hell's Angels? The Avengers were smaller club, but if you wanted to put them in a bar and tell which one of them to eat, shit and die, they'd go to fighting.

They'd go back down to nobody. Respect, honor. Something you have right there, you know. You got to, the people die for that. I about did. And then it all came to a head when I wasn't backed up. And it was like, why?

Why do people want to die for something on their back when there's no brotherhood in it, man? So you were really ready to give your life for the club. Oh, absolutely. I've come so close many times to do that. There was one, you know, you hear that thing, I'll take a bullet for you. They went there to take a bullet for me when I took on the Bogos at Bullhead. I went up there three men because everybody said all the Vagos, the Vagos. I was in Kingman.

I got along with them in Las Vegas. I had no trouble with the Vagos. Respect. They're no joke, you know? And then everybody procrastinates, and I told Cate Creek, okay, I'm going to Bullhead, Friday at 7. I'll leave my place, and I'm going to go find them, and we'll take care of this. Three other Hells Angels

showed up and they weren't Cave Creek and they weren't Skull Valley they were the nomads and Desert Road riders Rudy, he was the president of nomads and he'd done time and he was all buffed up

he showed I had a bike for him and he made the desert road riders go with us and we went and found them and people I was headed for a reckoning man you know I was headed

not Not to prove something, though, buddy, just to take care of the business of his hand. It's what's expected of me. Tell us what happened at Bullhead, because that's a famous collision, right? No, Harris was the famous collision with the Mongols. But I found that lazy Harris is where I found the Lagoes when we went in. And one of them looked down and said, hey, Joby, what's going on? I said, you know what's up?

Here's me and two other hell's angels and three of them. Big. I thought, boy, I'm going to take this big guy. I want him. If I can get him to the ground, I think I can whip him, but I knew I couldn't stand up with him, but I was going to take him. Rudy was on the wrong side of me to get to him. You know, I thought, let's go hit tough one.

I said, you know what this is about, man? And he said, man, we're the same. And I said, let's step out here on the balcony, sliding doors, rocks down below, people looking, knowing it was going down. The whole place went tense. These people were going to dive and hurt themselves because of what I was bringing to.

Jay. And I said, you know what this is about? And we lit them up. And we put them to sleep. Hmm. Yeah, we want. We want. Just with fists? Yeah. Yeah. Could escalate in a gun fight real easy. That's what I tried to take Jay to was bandito. And you kept it on you, right? I didn't have a gun on me when I went in there. Okay. I had a knife. I left my gun. I didn't want to see it go there. I didn't use your knife. tight. It was a lot of people in there. And when I saw the parking lot, the three green bikes and the band, you could hear it and the size of the place, I said, this ain't nowhere to be doing that. And I took it off of me, and I put it in my bag. And I said, you guys stay here, told Steve,

watch things, and me and two other hell's angels walked in there. Let's go get this done. And you set it off? Oh, boy, I set off a war from anything. on it was they went after yeah they were coming to kill me when I went home that night Rudy went home James went home Steve went home desert road riders didn't ride back to Kingman with me they went home I pulled up to my place said bye man after taking on those guys knowing I you know what I'd have done I'd have got a crew together and come up there and I'd above my I'd above my place on the foundation or I'd have knocked on the door

and said one-on-one in the street, Joby. Some way or another, retribution was common, and nobody was there to back me. And so the Vargos were out to kill you. I believe they would. You go beat three miles, and I was, I'm going to shoot you.

That's the way it was in those days, and I wasn't afraid of it. So you meet Hoover. Yeah. And he's the one who introduced you to Sunny, Barger? Yeah, yeah. Hoover, when we saw,

talking about bikes. He had a hard tail, you know, and the FXRs were coming out. That was when the evos were, you know, hot and heavy, and he was building him an FXR, and he had a hard tail with a hot rod motor, and he said, I'm going to take that motor out, and I got a rolling chassis. And that's what me and him talked about outside when we was dropping names. I said, you know, I had belt drive. I said, I might be interested in that. What do you want for you because I, you know. I said, well, I tell you what, I've got to get me a pager. I'll give you my pager number and take yours and when you decide, let's have a lunch and I got a pickup truck.

I'm pretty flush. If you're going to tear a motor down, you need to run around, build a new clubhouse. I'm a carpenter. Heck, I'll help you with that. I got nothing going on. That's how I introduced myself.

I got nothing going on. I'll hang out with you. Not your hell's any. It's a good dude. I liked him. Straight up. I'm going to buy a bike from him, so I might as well meet the other ones,

and I did. I drove nails with him. I had fun, and then Hoover come up and said, I got to go to Oakland. Sunny and John Andrew are moving to Arizona. I said, boy, that'll bring money to the coffer. Anniversary party, birthday party, red and white night, Sunny Barger.

You know, and I said, yeah, he's the one. Johnny Angel's got a bunch of parts, and he's giving them to us, so we'll sell them for the club, but you could probably use a few. I said, well, I got your truck. He said, I got a trailer. Next morning, man, we were on. away to Oakland. I said, well, meet Sunny when I'm up there. He said, oh, more likely. And we stayed the night on the way and pulled up there, and mid-morning, about 9 o'clock,

pulled into Johnny Angel's old place, and he'd already contacted Sonny in the truck telling him we're going to Johnny A's. So we back up into the garage, lift it, and we're throwing the thing. Here comes a pickup truck. Sonny Barger gets out. I thought he'd bigger than what he was. I never met him. I never seen a picture of a man. And he's top dog at this point, right? Oh, my gosh. He's not a national president in any way, but such an icon, such a mover and shaker. He's the one that took the hell's angels where they are, you know, and expanded and made him. And he was always in the political end of it.

And then you hear George Christie a lot what he's putting on the show. And, you know, George was supposed to be second to him. him and I wrote with Sonny for a number of years and George Christi's name can't recover his mouth. Really? So George is having fun with what he's doing. He's out bad. What a shame. And he's keeping the eye.

He's a true believer, man. You know, he, you know, I don't know where it's going to get him when it comes time for the Lord to step in. But he's living that life. But Sonny, Noel had horse. horses, Sonny like cowboys, and I'm up there just like I am here, you know. And I told Noel, I know what kind of horses you got? She told me, I said, oh, I know that kind of, nice breed, halter champions and cutters and all that,

cowhorses, roping horses, and she's looking like, and Sonny looks at Hoover, and he says, where'd you find this guy at? And Hoover said, there's more to him than you think. and I introduced you know that's when he said Sunny and the first thing it came out of my mouth when I shook hands with Sunny Barger was cool and we exchanged

numbers right there to when he come to Arizona he needed help with his horses horsesho and everything and he called me when he showed up hey we're in here's my address come out and see us and I went and that's the relationship I started with with Sonny. And so you were a hang-around? No, not at that time. I was nothing. I was waiting on Hoover to finish up his bike, and I was putting, I got the chassis, and I was doing some stuff to hit, new tires, and making things right. And I was, Sonny come up and said, we'd go through Delcron,

get you some cases, and build you a motor. I said, well, I got a guy, give me some heads, and we ended up with this other motor with some good stuff. And he said, why don't you let Mark build that motor. He's a good motor builder. Mark was the Cave Creek Charter. I said, okay, out of Sonny. I gave Mark the motor and said, build that. Here's the money. And while he was doing that, I was still with my dogs, hunting, seeing the club, helping with clubhouse, going to see Sunny. I like Sunny. I like being around him. I did. He's not because he's just, man, you're Sonny Barger. Don't get no better than that, of course. But I'm a man's man and he was, I liked you.

And he respected you. And I respected him. Yeah. And I, I didn't respect it like, because he's the man. You know, the patch, I learned to respect that later when I got mine. But to me, to him, he was just a stand-up man. And he had that, the one thing about him, when you ask him something, you got the real deal, man, because he had that second or second and a half to reach up there.

So he had that second. second half to think about what he's going to say. So he had the trachea. So you got, he didn't shoot his mouth off. Right. Because when you got to press a button to speak, the words you say are going to be meaningful. You got a second to say what you're going to think about what you're going to say. So I got the motor going.

Okay. Put it in a bike. Took my pickup truck and drove down to Sundays. He'd come out. A cup of coffee. We always drink coffee. Yeah. I said, you got a minute?

It's outside. We went out and dropped the tailgate. Sat down and I said, I got that motor in. How's a run? I said, it's going to be all right. I think I can get some miles out of me on a hard tail. I still got some life left in me, you know.

A hard tail with a lot of running that the club does, you know. And I said, he says, well, what are you going to do with it now? You got it running. And I looked right at him. And I said, I think I'll join your club. And I'd be an honor Thursday night's church if you'd bring me up and sponsor me. And I'm ready. That's what I want to do. And he said, you've got balls. He said, but I don't have a problem with that. And we got a lot to talk about. And we sat for a couple hours. We talked about a lot of things. Talked about life, life in the club.

The main thing that he said that I did lose, he said, when you join us and you get that patch, be ready to lose your job, your home, your wife, your life, or go to prison. I lost all of them but my life. I lost all of it. And you were ready for that? Yeah. I chose that. Because when you talk to George Christie, he'll tell you that it's just a riding club, man.

That's what I tried to tell people in the prospects and hangarounds. It's a club. It's all in, man. It's a club. Let's go riding. To Sunny Barger. It wasn't. We're criminals.

Darn right. There's a bunch of them in there. And you fought for something that you had nothing to be involved in. for what that man, that Mongol took that Hell's Angels old lady and you catch him in a swap meet and that hell's angel jumps on that Mongol for taking his old lady

and it was her choice and he beats his ass now you're a war with the Mongols. For what? For what? And it isn't just no fisty cuff. You're picking up things to Maine and hurt and kill.

It's all for what. And that's the reality of it. And you'll have guys say the club comes first and everything. I said, who's this new guy you got out there when I was at Scalbay? He was a Cape Free Charter. Went down for a meeting. He was that new guy out there?

Oh, yeah, he'd come around, you know. Young, young, youngster, you know. He goes, yeah, he goes to college over there at night school and he's got a wife and a baby. I said, you need thugs. You don't need any. He's going to lose everything he's got. a child in his career, for what? For being able to put something on to make him a man

because he wasn't a man to put it on. And there's a lot on them like that. I saw it, seen it. That's, yeah. Well, you think that's probably why there was, you know, a lot of informants is because you had these guys who weren't really thugs, criminals. And when it, you know, push came to shove,

they wanted to save their own life. But you didn't have, you were kind of a perfect recruit in many ways. I was a perfect fit. I saw trouble before it came. I went to prison by myself, you know. And you stood on it. You never cooperated. No.

Whatever they got out of me, the first thing they said, okay, Joby, you know, I said, I'll tell you why. I said, don't ask me nothing about Sonny Barger. I don't know anything about any murders. And probably what I say to you, you already know. and I'm trying to get my bail down. And they just like, here drove me, and I got my bail down

from a half million to 50,000. A friend put it up, and I headed to Mexico. Okay. So, stepping back a little bit. Oh, boy. How long we're going to go today? Man, a long time.

How much time you got? Hey, I'm with you, man. You got a few years left in your life, so. I've got a lot. I'll be here again. I hope so. I invite me. I'll tell you. Today's episode is sponsored by perplexity.

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and they had me that little black and white tag, said hang around eight months later. It was December 18th, 99, I think it was. I patched in me and Bobby and Stokes patched in at the same time. So you got your rocker, bottom and top. Yeah. Sonny, they jumped on us. They said, I told, I went to see Sonny, and I'd been into some things and put my ass out on the line on a few things, you know. And I went and told Sonny, I said, I'm ready, man. So I'm ready to be hell's angel.

I went to the house to tell him that. In Oakland? No, in Arizona. You know, when he came there, I said, I went to his house. I said, you know, we're going to try. church tonight and I always went down and rode with him, rode home with him. I went everywhere or Sunday went. We were coming out of the post time bar we hung out at after church. And it was time for us to go and Sonny heading home, you know. And he walked out to get on his bike

right there in the front and mine was just a little ways down and I went over there. I had a FXR then. I went and got on it and there was a car coming and there was two guys in it. And there There was a line of bikes, line of bikes and cars, and something was wrong. It slowed. It slowed down. And I'd already practiced on my road over there by New River to shoot left-handed off my motorcycle. I'd practice that. You know, I'm right-handed, and you can't let go the throttle.

So I practiced shooting left-handed while I was running hard on a bike. And I got good at it. Really? Yeah. I was hitting gallon jugs. 40 mine hour, you know, right from here to your wall or whatever. And I thought something's wrong with that. I hit the starter after gear.

It said, what, what? Bam. I had snap cut. I snapped my cut open because I had a cross draw here. And when I come up, it stopped right in front of Sunny. And my handlebar clipped the mirror when I slid to stop and I was reaching. And it was roper day, but it used to be an old dirty dozen. I was stopping to say hi to Sonny.

And I'm pulling. And, you know, by could I, I didn't hit neutral, I hit brakes, it chattered to a stop. I was fixing to open up in this truck, in this car. I was reaching. I saw the Rupert Dave. He said, Joey. And Sonny looked over at him and says, you better be careful that and get your fucking ass killed. Me and me pulling up for her like he did.

That's what he told for Dave. You were ready. Yeah. I was ready to take a bullet for Sunny. And give one. Yeah. What did you have on you? 40.

40 cow. 40 cow. 16 rounds. What other kind of guns did you have in that era? 45, 1911. I left it under the body at Harris Casino. 22 Magnum Tires was my second backup gun. but when I lost the 45, you know, I had the 45, then I lost it at Harris,

and then I picked up on the 40, you know, Smith & West, the Cowell Smith and West. Did you guys have any automatics, semi-automatics? I didn't. No, I didn't see any around. I mean, I don't know what was, you know, I mean, I know what was in our coffer, and we didn't have any. I don't know what everybody else might have.

But now, everybody had a gun. Everybody had a gun and knife. You know, if I could have had hand grenades, I'd have carried them around with me. Well, you guys were known, the Hells Angels were known to have grenades. I never saw any. Never saw none.

So Sonny Barger at this time, what kind of criminal activity, you know, obviously besides the dues that are getting paid into the club, how was he financing himself? Oh, it was his shop he had. He had money saved up. Sonny was worth.

money. He had to shop in Oakland. He shut down. Sonny saved money. He wasn't a flauna, you know. I mean, hotels from Hotel 6es, you know. And then he started that book. And he did his own, he did his own shipping out of his own garage, you know. What book? That, uh, the life of times of Sonny Barger and Hells Angels. That's one I went on tour with him. We went to Chicago. But no, Sunny, Sunny never broke

a law that I know of the years I was around him. Never saw him do dope. Saw him drink a few beers. Saw him talk to youngsters, try to give him wisdom. Talked to a law. So once it met me in a camp in Colorado and heard my name.

and said, yeah, Joe B. Walters. He was LAPD, you know, retired. He said, you ran with Sonny. I said, yeah, I said, I did, I'll be darned. Look at us out here in the middle of underwear, and here's a guy that knows me, no Sonny. He said, you know, he was an evil man. I said, not my eyes.

I said, I never saw that side of him and him knocked shit out a few people together, you know. And yeah, yeah, there's no doubt he, He never turned tail and he'd tell you if he had to. So he ran this legitimate business operation, yet he still chose to live the life of an outlaw, of a criminal, and ended up dying in prison. Okay, you say outlaw, a criminal, let's break the law and what standards know.

He was, you look at the Hells Angels as a whole, and today they say gang, and they're a criminal activity. And I told them this. If Cave Creek, Skull Valley, whoever, and I was involved in it, in a criminal activity, of prostitution, drugs, me being a sober person, everything, I would have been involved in that because of the money, and there was nothing to get involved in. I never sold drugs while I was in there. I didn't like my people doing it.

Skull Valley didn't sell dope. My buddies in Kingman, I was trying to put a crew together. They were tough youngsters. They got high, but don't bring no heat on us selling dope money. But other charters, you know, it's individuality. Yeah. And you're not going to tell a man what to do. But, you know, the reputation I had and other people had

and be able to tell you're not going to do that in this charter. Well, you're not going to do that in this charter. You know, make sense? That makes sense, you know. So after you get patched in, tell us about how you basically opened up these areas in Arizona. I knew when I joined Cave Creek, I was living up in Prescott area, Skull Valley, before it boomed. And I knew I was going back there, and I told Hoover that. I said, in a year, man, let's kick something off up there, you know,

Prescott's going to grow. And I live up in Skull Valley and Hoover said, man, that'd be a cool name, Skull Valley. I said, you know, so that was my move. And I'd been everywhere. You know, prior to that one year in, because you can't transfer until after a year, I'd been to, I'd been to funerals,

anything that had to go, that a hell's angel had to go out of Arizona, out of a charter. My hand was in the air. I wanted to go. I wanted to meet. I wanted to see it. I wanted people to know me.

and I called myself, I didn't say, hey, Jobby, Hell's Angel out of Cave Creek. I said, Jobie of Arizona. That was my name. And that's how I introduced myself. That's Jobi of Arizona. And I opened up that country. I remember a funeral I went to in California, and my first one, and I was a prospect. And they had lowered the casket.

and they'd shoveled dirt. Hell's Angels were shoveling dirt. Well, one of the people that, you know, dig graves and, you know, took care of everything, the tamper, he sat it down in there and jumped down in there to start it. And I jumped down beside him, I said, you get your ass off my brother's casket mister and start that.

And I'm the one that started to tamper, and started tampon dirt. And every funeral I went to, I jumped in a hole and had a tamper sent to me, and I'd sent it. Wow. I wouldn't let her. I said, you get off my brother's go. She was really meaningful to you.

Absolutely. What were brothers dying for and from? Gunshots, wars, you know, Mongols. Well, we had a few cancer situations and things like that, but the most that I saw was fight, shot in the back, knifed, you know. I lost, you know, Jethro from San Jose. Me and him were tight.

I like Jethro. He became president, you know. After the sergeant arms got shot by another hell's angel at a funeral. He got killed. Jethro stepped up. the president of San Jose that claimed, you know, Mongols ain't coming here, right, right, right, right, right.

He's gone, he quit. He's like, take care of your own backyard. Take care of your own backyard. We're at war all over the nation, all over the world. And if you're getting along with the Mongols over here or the Comancheiros over there or the outlaws over here, and we're not over here, we're killing them.

I mean, you're not. I never could understand that. I figure, you know, but take care of your own backyard. And that Vago shot Jethro in the back at Reno at a run. Hot August nights, I think it was. In Reno at a casino, something kicked off with the Vagos. And Jethro got shot in the back and got killed.

And that hurt me. There was men in there that, no, I wouldn't take a bullet for. but they're and it's a hard thing to ask for man but you got some in there that are so tight and so stand up so man that you have that right there and over here you don't and over here you got your jealousy and you over here you're fighting your own and over here you want to kill your own i experienced all that tell us about the hell's angel that shot his brother at a funeral yeah there was a it was uh jethro or jeethro's Jethro's funeral up there and I forget the name of the I forget the name of the he was a sergeant arms on the West Coast

meetings and he got in an argument at a funeral with another Hells Angel from Merced and the Merced Hells Angel pulled a gun and shot him at the funeral killed him right there

and they wouldn't let the cops in of course cops ain't coming here to say to us. They got rid of the guy. You know, I mean, there was legit, whatever. I mean, you know, they didn't kill that member for killing the other member. And politics about it, I didn't get into it. But it was like the guy turned himself in, you know, that shot the other Elvanger. Wow.

Why? What was that? What is so hard that you have that brotherhood and you can't go over? there without sticks, knives, guns, and duke it out, that you have to pull a gun and kill your own. And I come close to it at one time or another and probably, I could see it. The meanness in it, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, not true, man, not having the truth, you know, that hurt me more than anything is not feeling the real truth

about how somebody felt that you couldn't just come and communicate, but they had to ambush you in a way that when Sonny looked at me, said, I'll tell you how to take care of this. Let's get a driver. I said, Sonny, I'm tired of fighting him and to kill him. I got my driver, and he's taking me home. I'm done. Yeah.

Sonny didn't like the way I did things, but... What do you mean? The way I quit. I could have come to the table and pitched and raised heads. and all that. But here I am putting 8, 8, 16 blocks in front of my windows, thinking the vulgar is going to come and kill me. And I have no backup.

And when I step out that door, my life's at risk. And I knew I was quitting right then, so I boxed it up and told them, you know, I'm done. And that's when I went down and told Sonny. And I tried to touch space with Sunny again after all that. but his woman at the time wouldn't let me talk. I was on non-association. Okay, so I don't want to jump ahead because I don't want to jump ahead.

All right. You know, who were you guys at war with when you first joined? The Mongols were already, you know, beating their chest in California, everything. But the dirty dozen, I heard about them a little bit, you know, prior to. to them becoming Hell's Angels. And what I heard of the Dirty Dousen was to Hell's Angels was not coming to Arizona because the Dirty Dousin told them they weren't

unless the Dirty Dughey Dughey Degals and there was a lot of politics and that, the party in Danyuma and this, that. The Dirty Dousin, when they prospected into the Hells Angels, they wore their whole Dirty Duglia patch and everything with a prospect red and white patch on their colors. They didn't shed at all

and put the Arizona red and white bottom rocker like it was all said and done. They prospected with the dirty dozen packs on and when you give us the hell's angel packs

we'll take the dirty dozen pack off. Yeah. They were notorious, man. I wouldn't have joined them. It was in the bag in the math and everything, man. They were in all of it. And that wasn't my

Forte, you know. So when Hell's Angels came to Arizona and then I heard about it, you know, that they went red and white, and then later on the next year is when I was introduced, the Mongol situation.

And then we were all at the host time, standing outside, I was prospect. And here come a member, a little Indian guy, can't remember his name, from Phoenix come blasting in there on a dinah, I mean sideways, and didn't even shut it off,

dropped the kickstand before his feet even hit the ground, and in the bar he went. I thought, I'm going to my motorcycle, check my gun, something. We're going somewhere. You know, we are going somewhere. And when he come out, here come the Hells Angels, and here come, Phoenix was there with us at the post time. And we jumped on bikes, went down in Cave Creek, a little hideaway bar down there that I used to drop off flyers for red and white night or whatever, but we didn't frequent it.

And there was 10 apang and bar motorcycles out front of it. Those choppers? Yep. Yeah, oh, yeah, they were apangers. They were gang bikes. They were Mongol bikes, you know, not California plates or anything, couldn't see them. But I jumped off to go in and Hoover said, stay out. and so a bunch of them went in.

And I thought, you know, what's this about? I didn't even know who was in there yet. I didn't know who was in there or whatever. Just these bikes are here. And it was Bike Week. Arizona Bike Week. And they came out. Hoover did, and all of them came out,

and we went back to the clubhouse. And I'm waiting for somebody to tell me what's going on. I got Sunny. So what was that about? He says, Mongols. There were 10 of them. there and they never come to Arizona and they were no joke that I heard you know but Hoover invited to them clubhouse next day at 10 o'clock to have a talk so 10 o'clock nine o'clock next

morning I'm at the clubhouse you know getting the bar back help other prospects and here come 10 mongles eight of those Arizona eight of those motorcycles had Arizona license plates on them. I thought they didn't come and say hi. They came. They're here. They are here. And they come inside. We stayed out and I went in and we ate and barred and they were talking and I'm going to the back room and Hoover's talking to this main mongle right there by the phone. And when I walked by and I heard that mongle say to Hoover, Hoover, I ain't here to kiss your ass. And I thought, it's on. You know, when I walked by and I turned reaching.

I was reaching. I thought, I thought the person like that, you know, because I thought Hoover had come off. And Hoover said, I know, just like that, I know, and he looked at me. And it was, and they turned back, he goes, yeah, I understand. So I knew, you know, don't shoot this guy. And when they left out of there,

That's when we found out. We took pictures, found out who was who, where they lived and all that. Yeah, they were there. They came to Arizona, you know, without asking. And the Vago's Tri-State moved into the area. And, you know, the banditos came through and stopped, you know. Hoover was on a, he was talking to New Mexico a good bit. After Hoover got killed every time I went through New Mexico,

I'd stop and see Jr. I was Sergeant Arms. I went back east, Ohio, whatever, to be my family, or wherever I was going, Illinois, wherever I was going. I would always call junior up. We'd meet a Harley Shop and Albuquerque and a picnic table, get a soda, pop or coffee, and chop it up, and everything's good with the bandito, you know, for a while. Until one?

Until I was trying to help get Las Vegas going when I was living in Kingman and Jay Dobbins and Timmy. and having a big coalition meeting, coalition of clubs. And word was out that the banditos came, and we knew they were there, and then we knew they were in Nevada. And they were going to come and take over. They were coming to it, and they weren't invited. And I got a call from Las Vegas, and that's when I told Teddy, I got to go to Las Vegas. He said, why don't want to send all of our soldiers?

We know you're involved over there, and you're helping me. with that so take the prospects and do what you got to do and this is when Laughlin happened this was after okay this was this was this was after so you were involved in what popped off at Laughlin famously and afterwards as well yes in Vegas yes and and in bollhead with the ball coach and when did that happen the run in with the Bogos. To run in with the Bogos was when I was on federal pretrial release. So that happened after Laughlin and all the drama.

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bio. So tell us because even people that don't really know outlaw history, if they follow this stuff just casually, they know about the Loughlin riot that happened between the Mongols and the H.A. Tell us what happened. Tell us about that day and how it all came about. Exploded. All exploded. I had a mechanical bull. I'd put up, you know, I'd put a pork horned, Martin Harts Motorsock rally. As a hell's angel, I won a couple bull buckles, riding bulls with a patch on. Crowd went nuts. Had a great time. bought me a mechanical bull to hit the road, the fares, to biker events.

You know, I mean, you know, drunk bikers and you couldn't keep clothes on the girls when you got on, you know. They love that mechanical ball, man. I had a ball with it. I looked like I'd taken over, you know, robbed 40 circle Ks with cash amounts. I'd leave from these places. I didn't get a lot of money with it. So that was your hustle was like? That's what my hustle started.

When I won that the first time, I thought biker boar. riding mechanical bull. And what was his name? He had one at his venue at Sturgis. He's from Bisbee. Steel horse? Anyway, he had one and he wished he got me involved in it, you know, and had one. So I bought one and went on the road with it and did all that.

Well, I went to Lotham with it. and I had a place to set up. And I was setting it up, I said, I heck with it. I'm going to town. I'm going up with all the brothers, you know, in town. And Flamingo, and they set bleachers up for burnouts and wheelies and the crowd. And, you know, that was our hangout. Well, across the river, we had another hotel right there at Bullhead that a lot of people stayed at,

but it was on the Arizona side. So I went and checked in there and then blasted over to Flamingo. And I heard that San Francisco, was staying at Harris. And I knew a lot of them guys someone blast up there, you know. Well, when I went up there, there was a prospect watching motorcycles out front,

a bunch of Hells Angel bikes. And when I looked, I saw, I saw mongo patches. And I thought, what is going on here? And I asked that prospect, what's going because they've been filtering in. I said, well, San Francisco is going here. He said, yeah. So I went inside and I said, you know, what's happening?

And San Francisco always booked that place. And they didn't know, but the whole Mongol West Coast nation booked Harris. There was a bunch of them. And that's your turf. They can't just ride through without letting you know. They never came to Lofland. And they were given grief to our support booths, you know, standoff stairs. These guys are no joke.

They're gangsters, man. They're street boys. you know, it got on bikes. They're, you know, they're thugs, you know. Tough, as tough as they come. They ain't afraid. They're going to shoot you stab you. And you got, you know, you got 15 of them where to do that.

And out of them 15 hell's angels, maybe eight of them will do it. They weren't cut like they were when it come to that, you know. Mess. Yeah, when you, they had to do it. They lived it. That's where they came off. the street from. And I knew it was going to be a tough war. Well, me and another member from Alaska and went back over there. I got him when we took our patches off left from hotel and we went back

over there to see what was going on, incognito. And there was other members coming to see it. And there was a bunch of Mongols around. I remember one member from Oakland, and I'm hard on names, but I could see his face, loved a guy. He was walking to the bathroom. And I got my, uh, 45 by 1911. I got a shirt tail out. My pistol's there. That's when you hear, yeah, we go in there with our shirt tails at. That's because you're hiding the gun.

You know, my shirt tails out, I hiding the gun. And he was walking straight to the bathroom, and he walked by some Mongols in a glass and looked at each other, and I got up from sitting over here, I saw it, and when the Mongols followed, four Mongols followed him in there. And I come in behind the Mongols, I went, excuse me, man. I said that to him, and it stopped them.

And that Hell's Angel went to the urinal, and I walked up to the urinal, went up to the urinal, like, like, I was taking the piss, and it was on, it was ready to rock and roll. That's how I would hold my pistol, like I was taking the pin in the yard. Wow. That hell's angel, and he looked at that, looked at me and smiled.

I said, you know, if they start anything on you, brother, I'm killing everyone. And he shook his. I tucked back, turn around, walked out, and mom never said a word. And then that's when everything was eyeballing and this and that.

And I went back to Flamingo, and by the time to tell him what was going on. Me and Mike, Big Mike from Richmond and Dennis, he was the VP from Richmond. We were standing out. I said, man, it don't look good over there. And here comes some cops. Saw my sergeant arms, VP, president,

and said, hey, You know, we don't want any trouble, you know, and they saw it coming. They come over to say something to us. And I remember Dennis saying, we'll police our own. We'll police our own. We'll not say to you guys. And that's when the phone call came. That's when it came.

A guy got a phone call. Hell's Angels to Harris. I ran inside, told everybody, other people came inside. We got to go to Harris. got a big crowd, you know, bikes rear it up out of there. We tore out. Me and Cowboy, he was Sergeant Orbs Cape Creek, who's the last ones to leave.

And my bike sputtered. I was on reserve. And I looked over at Cowboy, I said, I need gas. And I cut right across traffic and everything. I mean, screeching bikes into the station where everybody is. And I pulled up beside a guy, I stood at hit neutral, and he's pumping gas, and he looked at me.

I wrecked my pocket, pulled out a wad, said here, and he wrecked for the 20, and I took it out, put it in mine, and then handed it back to him. Bam, out of there we went, and I hollered at Cowboy. I said, you got a gun? He said, yeah. I said, people are going to die tonight. People are going to die tonight. You just felt it.

You knew it. I knew it. And are you guys patching? You guys got your... Oh, yeah. Got your... Hell, yeah, okay, we're headed war. Wow.

We walked in there. Wow. 63 of us walked in there, up against 100-some Mongols. And this is in the first floor of the Flamingo Casino? No, this is the first floor at Harris. At Harris, right. Yeah. Walked in, everybody's like, uh-oh, uh-oh, uh-oh, uh-oh.

And I pep in, or I think it was the national president. Me and Dego Pete were standing right, and I walked right up to him. And he looked at my tagging, Dego Pete. were standing beside me and he said, man, he says, we can't let this go here, just like that. And I said, you better, you better call him off. And when he said that, I started reaching. When I said that to him, I started reaching because I knew it was going to kick. And that's when Ray, Ray, front snap kicked that guy.

It set off. I stabbed that national president twice. And he got away from me. And then I jumped over and covered up some guy from Washington ducked, and the bullets hit the wall, the post, and it splittered my lips. And then that's when I saw Fester, I wrecked from my gun and saw Fester, wrestling with a big mongle, and a boom, boom, boom went off between them. And Fester fell, and I shot two at him, that mongle.

and I ducked and ended up with a bullet hole right through my shirt right there and a T-shirt I was wearing under my cut. And Festus went down and I made my way to him and he liver shot him up close. And I tore it open and Big Mike was there. I said, put a finger in that and I started just aside acid spitting terrible. blood pool my gun was laying there my knife

and a cop started coming other shooting was going on and I was trying to save us trying to get and he looked at me right when I started in on him he was live

and he looked at me and he says we got to go to Kentucky and go fishing with Tommy Villa Tommy Villa was the president of Kentucky and we were both friends with him and me and Festus

was going to go back here and spend some time and do some bass fishing with him. That was the last conversation me and that brother had prior to him dying under me. We've got to go see Tommy, Joby. I said, we'll get there, brother. And then his eyes glazed. That's when I knew it.

I better get to work on him and I lost him. Cop showed up. I shud my gun underneath him. He kicked the knife away, and Paramedics came in. He started giving the push. I had doing the mouth of mouth, and they plugged him in and said he was gone, so they handcuffed me and Mike, Dennis, cops were there then. It was all, everything was stopped.

And that cop come back over to get us up, and he said to me, if it's any indication, he said, there's three of them dead. And I looked at him, I said, that's a start, isn't it? That's a start. Who shot first? I don't know. I don't know. Does anybody know? That question,

Kyle Schaefer was shoot a rock and roll. Boy, he's putting him down. That guy never even had a speeding ticket. And he's down there burning DuPont, man. I mean, he's right there in the middle. Wow. Yeah, he's shooting him. And, but the front snack kick from Ray Ray started it.

But who pulled guns first? It could have been any others, you know. Now, that mongle that you shot that killed your partner. I don't know what I did. I don't know. I think I did. I don't know. I just, he wasn't there when it got done because Fesk fell.

And there was a Ron from Phoenix hit him with about a 12-inch crescent wrench at the same time. And it disappeared in his head. I mean, he busted him. And that's, so I don't know. But he wasn't one of the first. of the three that was dead at the end. No, I don't think so. I don't know.

And civilians are running. Oh, it's pandemonium. Oh, yeah, it's crazy, man. It's crazy. People are fighting and stabbing. Yeah, stabbing. Chair, stabbing, kicking, you know. And some ducking and some running.

And 63 Hells Angels went in there. You know how many they took into the room handcuffed? 61 because two of them were dead. We all stayed. The Mongols ran. I talked to an old Mongol later on about that one time when we bumped into each other. I pointed my finger at him.

I wanted to shoot him, but I wasn't in a situation that I could do it. And I said, I said, you old geez scared them youngsters to death when you all came in there. They ran. Wow. And they jumped on their bikes and they peeled out.

All right. Rooms, wherever they could go hide. You know, they, you know. Who's the other brother you guys lost that day? We lost, we lost Festus. We lost a younger member out there on the, out by the bikes. He got shot. And then there was a member that left Loughlin going back to,

Ventura, and they found him on the side of the road, wrecked bike shot with his driver's license laying on his chest on the side of the road. You hear about that, didn't you? No. Yeah. Found him. Police found him on the highway, wrecked motorcycle, and he's laying off in the ditch, gunshot with his driver's license laying on his chest.

So who did that? That was a brother or a monk? He was a hell's angel. Young man. So they caught up with him. Yeah, they found him on the road or something, you know. Wow. Yeah, they were running to him on the road and shot him off his bike.

Young guy, too, had a cool, I remember him. I mean, I'd seen him around. Young guy, full of it, jock, you know, tough, you know. But well-mannered, well-dressed. Got a nice old lady, young girl. And when we had... He had George, young George, when we was at the funeral, said, well, we're going to bury him. He goes, no.

He said, we're not burying him. I said, I ain't never been to a Hells Angels funeral where we didn't bury our own. And George Christie's son, he says, well, you have now. Parents didn't want nothing. We came there out of respect, but we left and they buried their own. The family had had enough of it. So this could have been avoided if the Mongols had just contacted somebody. But they weren't there to do that.

They were there to kick some shit up. Absolutely. They were there. They had enough. Their men. They're bad. They're no joke. I mean, all that.

You go away to have Kosax that took on the banditos. And you take the banditos and the warlocks, the sons of silence, pagans, the outlaws, the Avengers, the Hells Angels, the top hatters, the Vagos, the Mongols, you don't get no worse than that. And I don't care, you know, you want to take and split them up and say, okay, here's a hundred of each. You've got 600, 700, 700, bad son of the guns, buddy. They're no joke.

They'll bring it to you. They ain't afraid. Care if you're hell's angel, care who you are. They'll bring it to you. That's the way it is today. You're riding with a target on your back, a war coming from all fronts. So there's been a war since that day. Oh, absolutely.

In 2002, there's an ongoing war between the H.A. and the Mongols. On site. Yeah. To your knowledge, has there been revenge killings? Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. Peeway. And then when they worked at wedding with their son, Peewee was on your cast.

Yeah. One of the angels come over and said, there's Mongols over there in that next room getting married. And you know what Pee-Wee Brandon's son said? We got to go in there. We have to go in there. At a marriage, at one of marriage places in Las Vegas. They went in there to kill them,

and the fight was on knives, shooting, everything went on right there. Peeway was right there. Peeway went to prison for that. Yeah. So you guys all stay, get arrested, everybody's handcuffed. They let us go. They took our patches. Transport police station to Las Vegas took our patches and let us go.

And we waited for indictments. Yeah. I walked out. I was headed back to go get my motorcycle, Doug Harris. I wasn't going back to the running side. I'm walking down the road with a Hell's Angel T-shirt on. And this girl on a shovel head, an old shellway in motorcycle

pulled up and she said you a hell's angel I said yeah and she sat back on her bike she goes take me wherever you need to go and I said I'm going to Harris and I straddled it

and I rode to Harris and I stopped I said I don't know what's going on down there but thank you for the ride she goes you got anything I said I have nothing I still had the Swiss Army knife that she handed me out of her own pocket for a weapon Wow.

Yeah. It does something. That is fucking wild. Yeah. It's some like 19th century OK Corral shit. Handed him here of Swiss Army knife. She said, you got anything? I said, I don't have nothing.

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Cal, they dropped a lot of charges and this and that, and Cal Schaefer took five years for all the shooting he did, and pretty much, you know, I was looking at racketeering with Jay Dobbins and everything coming on, and then that Vago thing, and I was looking. I was looking at five counts of conspiracies to commit murder and racketeering. I was looking at 80 years. Based off of the...

All of it. Okay. Yeah, it all came together, you know, through the year. But there was no state charges based off of that incident. Because it's all, it's like basically a brawl. It's all self-defense. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow.

And then the film and all that. Yeah, it came out because it was on security footage. It was crazy. You know, I imagined the footage you had to go through. And we had a team put together, you know, that was pretty smart to go help our lawyers look through all that, you know, and everything. You know, came together on it, put our money together, and I wasn't about to do life. So I loaded up and made some connections, and I took my dogs and made sure that they got across and my mule, my truck, and my horse. And I made some connections in Sonora, Mexico to hunt mountain line and bear for them big ranchers down there.

through the cattlemen's association. And a buddy of mine, Davey Cleveland helped me get the connection to get the guy to get my stuff across that could do it. And he met me at Wilcock, Bowie, at Stockyards. And I put my eyes waiting on him, and I unloaded Johnny Redd, my big horse. And it's in my book. And I unloaded the mule, got him a drink, let my dogs out. And this car pulls up with a lady and this mix.

and gets out cowboy, and I, hey, you know, introduce myself. He nods, and I put the mule back in and my dogs, and he's the one that has the people and the know-how to sneak get across. And me, I was going to ride. It took me three days to ride through the desert and across the mountains to sneak into Mexico to a place. I already had prearranged to meet and work. I had myself said,

If anybody could have run off to Mexico and go make a living horseback in those mountains and rode where no white man ever rode and lived, I made a living and I had a good time. Sometimes I feel that I wish I'd never come back. Wow. Yeah. You rode horseback? Yeah, three days. A few nights and three days.

ATF, U.S. Marshals, all of them knew I was on my run. They were hunting me. The helicopter came over. I was told on that somebody had spotted me. And so you're sleeping in the mountains? what sleep I could get. Yeah, underneath my horse. What century are you from?

I mean, this is like some, as I say, 1860s. I'll say it like this. Okay, Corral. Yeah. We're the last Wild Bill Hickok's. That's right. We're last Billy the kids.

Yeah. We're last true American heroes this world to ever see. Some of us rode horses and some of us rode iron horses. And some of us just did it backwards. Everywhere I went, my idolization, I could do it. I was good at it. When I picked horses, I could live it. I did, and I could survive it.

And if I chose today to go home, saddle up, scabbard a rifle, throw a little food on the back and a skillet in a coffee pot, I'd live a good life. How long did you spend in Mexico? Two and a half years. Wow. Yeah. Wow.

Just making a living. Working as a ranch hand. Hunting mountain lions and bears and getting paid for it with them big ranches. Wow. With my hounds. Yeah. Yeah. And you were just basically waiting to see if you were going to get done.

Yeah. Yeah. And then I made a fun. I made a contact. It's heck when you go do that, you know, and you're looking at, you just tell everybody bye. You never see, you know, call him my sister, you never see me again,

call him Tom Deer from my brother in life, my mentor, my pastor, my preacher, you know, that helped me find God, you know, that sent the box down there with everything, that, you know, he could get it to me that helped me, the Bible, the literature, the cassettes. And, you know, I was alone. I was by myself.

But saying goodbye to all of them, and I never see you again. That was a hard thing to do. It was hard on my family than it was on me until later. Then I realized that what really family God and PTSD and veterans and prisoners and addicts and everything, all they ever wanted, Johnny, was three things. and it was what my book, Cut Free, will give to them and what God could give to them. And that is love, forgiveness, and respect.

And that's what that cut free, came from a knife. Cut free. A Hell's Angels Ride to Redemption by George Jobi Walters. So it was down in Mexico in these years that you really began to change. Oh, yeah, yeah. You know, as a youngster growing up in rural Ohio, hunting rabbit squirrels, going to church, mom, dad, drinking, and, you know, family busting up in alcoholism, everybody lives. You know, and the people never had to live with you that life, you know, God bless them, you know. It was a hard one with us kids and all.

But I had a gym teacher in high school. I played a lot of ball, you know, I was good at it, baseball, you know, basketball. And he gave me a book called The Cross and Switch Blades. And, you know, about a pastor going to New York that, you know, is rescuing gangs, real gangs. Gangs like I rode with. Say club. You can say club all you want, you know. And yeah, we were a motorcycle club.

But these guys were gangs and it was like, why would, you know, but the thrill of that embedded in this rural boy that when my dad put me on a bus on 1973, November 26th on my 17th birthday and shook my hand to send me to Fort Campbell, Kentucky, the 101st Airborne said, be a man. When I came back from all that, and Germany and the drugs and everything that I've been through, I had no identity, I had no family,

and that's what set me out on the road. And that scared me when he prayed over me on that book. When I read that book and he prayed over me, the Holy Ghost took a hold of me. I know what it is. today and it scared me to death. I had no help at home. I'm backing up. I had no help. My dad wasn't a Bible thumpber. And you call it biper thumpfrey on you want. But I tell you what, it takes some bravo to be able to walk into walking Lord and to have faith and upon his grace,

follow him, you know. You can pull a trigger, turn a book open, see if you can follow that. That's really scary. Absolutely. You don't grow wings on your back and a halo over your head. but there's going to be some things coming around. And he left me. The Lord left me. And after, you know, 40 years, let's just say, you know, I became a hell's angel. I was, what, 48 years old, 49 years old.

I became a house angel. Yeah, yeah. And 40 years to that is when I'd had enough. I quit. Tom helped me. I'm hiding. I don't have nothing. And I come back and talk.

And Tom helped me through that with that book and that literature. And I read it and I believed it and the Lord helped me. And when I came back and got caught and turned myself in and all this and that, you know, heck here I am waiting for my lawyer in Las Vegas to talk about the racketeering on the federal end. And I'm up there with all them fires going on in Washington, Oregon, and Idaho back in 0607. I'm up there with a buddy of mine waiting for my lawyer to make a deal for me in Vegas, packing for hot shot firefighters down in Hells Canyon with seven mules and riding out for 23 straight days, taking care of them.

Here I am running from the government, and I'm working for them. Got a heck of a paycheck from them, too, you know. Were you using fake IDs? No, I just never gave them my name because I worked for my other buddy. I was Pack Station 1. I had a fake ID down in Mexico. I had to, you know. When I got caught, they didn't get me for false, you know, identity or robbery, you know.

It was real, you know, Paul Anderson, buddy of mine helped me out. But down in Mexico, I bought a through a friend, and it's in my book, and God bless him today, he got me to an official and said, what's your story? An official asked me, government official, I'm looking for some identification. I'm running from feds, you know. I mean, I'm on the lamb. And he said, he asked me, he says, so you need some paper. What's your story?

I said, well, here's my story. I said, my mom was a gringa and belonged to the colonies down here way back. And so was my father. So that made them Mexicans in the colonies. They were white. I was born. When I was this big, they took me to Utah, and I grew up as a Mormon, but I never learned Spanish.

So I've came back to my roots. I may want to buy a ranch down here or something. So I got a legit birth certificate from Nueva de Casiglante. I got a Vosur registration guard. I got a visa passport. I even flew to Costa Rica on that passport to look at some jaguar hunting down there. Wow. A driver's license.

and that's it. My name was Tyree James Mendes, and they called me Thai. That's what the Cowboys called me Thai. God bless Mexico. You can really just make a brand new start down there. I did. From a government official. From a government official.

And $2,800. That's all it took, $2,800. And a government official. So around this time, time as you're on the lamb, you know, I want to back up a little bit because Jay Dobbins, who we've had on this show, who was famous ATF agent, infamous ATF agent who infiltrated the Hells Angels in Arizona and got really deep with them, he made contact with you while he was undercover. Yes. And actually made the introduction to us is the reason you're here today. Talk about your

time with Jay Dobbins. Jay Dobbins. How that all started, there was a solo angel showed up at Cave Creek, our new clubhouse from Tijuana. And Hoover's talking to him, and I, hey, hey, that was pretty cool. Well, what it was was this solo angel. He had a bad drug deal go bad in Florida, and he was looking at big, big time. So he was turning for the feds.

So the feds send him to Arizona to start and get an introduction to the solo angels nomads, which was Jay, Pops, Timmy, and four or five other agents that were out of New Mexico rocker. But they had a nomad. But they lived in New Mexico, per se. And here's my other three brothers from Texas, but we're all nomads. and that was what Jade came for his introduction. So that was the backstory that he gave? Yeah, well, the guy was getting more time knocked off of him

if he could get the ATF infiltrated into the Hells Angels. And if this guy could make the introduction and his solo angel people over there didn't know he was already got busted up and was hauled up in Florida over these charges. It was all boom, hush, hush, it's just. You get these guys in, we'll not take care of you.

And he did. He got him in. And Jay and them showed up at Mesa with bad bobb and all them. Road right up. Introduction. Hey, hi. We're here. And it flowed.

But why would you guys let a guy in like that? Who says that he's, you know, working his time off with the feds? Well, we didn't know that. Oh, I see. I see. Okay. So he brought up guys. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. He came to Hoover and said, hey, man, I got these guys or solo angels. And we've always had a good relationship with Tijuana Solo Angels and San Diego and all that. Even a dirty dozen. So Hoover knew the guy pretty. Yeah, you know, get them around. Let's see what they're like. And boy, did they play the game.

I liked them. I mean, right when they showed up, they were, and their rush was debt collectors and gun runners. For Mexico, debt collectors for the mob. Done a little work here. took Bobby, patched in with me over to Las Vegas and Stager Rush, where they went in and, you know, did a debt collect for a mob guy and met him there, and the mob guy told Bobby, you know, hey, if anything's happening to these guys, you're going to have trouble with us. He's telling the hell's angel this.

Jay's our man. He's our boy, you know. And Jay goes and takes a corvette away from a guy and eats his meal. and, you know, right there at the table with Bobby and gets in his wallet, takes all his money and says, you still owe us, and, you know, we'll see you again. And he played that, you know, and he was, that's what his rush was. When I met him, I'm outdoor cowboy, you know, that's what I was. I was a biking cowboy, you know, and we got along good, and I liked his demeanor,

and Timmy, you know, Pops was a little wild. And you never suspected him. No. No. I went to Bob at a party down, and it was Burdoux's anniversary, Bad Bob, Mesa Charter. And them guys were hanging out close to them, and that's where they was getting their dope and money. And, you know, here's the dope and we got guns on us too. That's all law. You know, there's a bunch of stuff that goes with that. And they had all that on film while I was starting, I needed numbers for Skull Valley, me, Teddy, Bobby, Joey, Turtle, Rudy, and Randy.

Got a poor Randy. But anyway, I went to Bob there at Purdue and sat down with us. I said, man, I said, I could sure use those guys, you know, help me up up there, you know, and this and that. How about it, man? And what me and bad Bob had going on, he said, for you, Joby, I'll do it, man. Okay. I said, well, Teddy, we all appreciate it, you know. So I went to him, and we had a thing to go in San Diego.

I said, meet us in San Diego and don't have them to Tijuana patches on no more. I'll have hang around patches ready for you when you get to San Diego. And if you don't show up, I better never see you again. But it's done. It's over. Take all that shit back to Orlando. So me and Bobby arranged that, and they showed up at San Diego, and me and Bobby took them back behind the...

clubhouse there in the garden and sat down and said here's your tags and they'd brought other cuts and uh they became hangarounds for us first gall valley yeah and uh still doing and they even said hey man we can bring a lot of money to us you know with our gun running going on and you know our extortion and all this you know and i said hey man as long as it ain't got nothing to do it ain't that's cool. Oh. You know, we don't like that, you know. So, and then it came up.

We were up in Williams and, Jay Bird come over to me. He said, hey, man, we've got a problem down south. So what's the deal? He said, well, the guy down there, Malong was kind of sipping over our turf, and he's bragging it up down there. He was the one that shot Festus.

Okay. And that just nerved me. The guy who killed your friend in Laughlin. in the office. He said, yeah, he's bragging up that he was one killed that. Nomad president is like he said that. And he said, we got going to hour to take care of this. I said, I tell you what, I said, here, and I went to my bike and I had a dirty gun. Didn't have any numbers in any history or whatever.

And it didn't dawn on me. I mean, I was running guns. Why do I? But I did, you know, and I look at it right now, like, you know, maybe I should look at that a little closer. Or maybe I shouldn't know. And I said, here, I said, I'll tell you what. I said, why don't you just find this cat, let me know and I'll come down. I said, I got kind of a, I like to take care of that.

What he did to my friend, you know, my brother. You still felt that vengeance. Absolutely. With all of them. All of them. I told him, you might not want to run with me in front of the court, judge, at a traffic light. It's on. It's on.

That's how I felt. I was mad about it. And I felt that I couldn't be touched over it, you know. Anyway, they went, they left, and it wasn't a next two days. We got a call that Pops had a blue a head gasket down there, and that's the code for dead, blue a head gasket on his bike. whose pops pops was the confidential informant

that could do all the dope and drink the beer and you know he was the one that got away with all of it you know if anybody can snored up something in front of all three of them he's the one's going to do it

you know and then they'd say man I'm filled up on Xanax I don't need any more you know that was their Timmy and Jay Dobbins talk but Doc he's too right there he could

he could get away with it right so we heard about that and I got a hold of Sonny about it. And he says, tell him to leave that body down there. I said, yeah, I said, I imagine we already know that. So we're waiting for them to get back.

They're coming back across. And we get a call, all of us, and at the clubhouse there. We met them at their RV. They had an RV park there at Chino Valley that they were out of, and they had a house down at Bullhead that they were supposed to. but it was an undercover house. Been there a couple of times. I always wondered why they didn't have any dishes

or bedding or anything, but, you know, you know, and when we walked into the trailer, Jay was nervous, which I could understand why, and he'd been smoking. Jay don't smoke that much, but he'd been chain smoking. Teddy chain smokes. And he had a folder. And he handed it to me.

And big envelope. And inside of it was a cut. And I pulled it out, and there was pictures inside of it, and another envelope with pictures. And I looked, it was a Mongol cut. And it had some cut marks where it had been cut off a body, and it was stiff with blood. And I said, wow.

And Bobby looked at it, and Rudy. We opened up the papers and showed the body. You know, the Mongol set up and the shallow grave and the organs that were supposed to be brain matter and the blood. And the cut was still on him. They'd cut it off afterwards. He said, yeah, he said, if we did him, we just went ahead and cut it off of him. And there it is, you know. And Timmy did him in with a ball bat, and they went ahead and put a bullet in him, you know, said all this.

You know, Timmy's one to beat him up. Timmy liked a ball bat. And this was, you looked at the picture and it was the guy. It was just staged. It was a... But it was, in fact, the guy that killed your friend. No. It was all staged.

It was an agent. They'd done that. Right outside the desert there in Phoenix, they staged all that right there. We found out, of course, later in the news. But it was supposed to be the guy that you were looking for. You look at it right there with the photos and everything. Those guys did work, man. Proud of them.

And you couldn't tell because he was so mangled. Everything about it was real. Wow. It was real. That's what made me laugh one time. Not at you, George Christie, but when Jay and him were talking and Jay mentioned that, and George piped, oh, I'd have caught onto that right away. You just don't send stuff over the mail.

Bullshit. Excuse me, Lord. You know, but that was, it was like, man, you know, you're in. You know, you've done work. Did you feel good? Did you feel? I was odd, yeah. Like vengeance?

was taken? Yeah. Yeah. I said, okay, let's go get rid of this. We'll meet you guys at the bar. I had a little corral outside of Chino where I staged, go hunting on a section of mountains over there when I lived in Skull Valley. So I had a barrel over there and a corral.

So let's just buzz over there and we'll burn this, you know, and the evidence and everything, the pictures and all. So me and Timmy and Bird got in their pickup. up and because we went there in Teddy's woman's car not to attract attention with motorcycles and they were going to the bar that we had which was a topless joint but you could come there and drink during the day bar bar bar stuy you know we was going to meet them there and we were cutting it had scissors nice and we was cutting that mongle patch up started to firing that little barrel and we was pitching it in there and I said man I don't

care what they say, Jay, you know, I took my cut off. I said, turn around, brother. I said, you're a hell's angel in my eyes. And I said, and I looked at Timmy and I said, and Teddy's got an old one I know fit you that he had in that wreck. And Jay spun, took it and spun, spun back at me. He says, fuck that. I want my own. I worked for my own. And Timmy said, and that's the way I ride to. and Jay handed it back to me. He didn't do with that. He said, I did work for mine. I want my own.

I said, I'll get that for you, man. I'll hit the road. We burnt that up and went to the bar. And next day I set out on the road, talked to Teddy, and I was going to go to see Sonny, let him in on what was going on. And Burdue, I was going to go talk to them, and Dego and George.

and Oakland. I was going to make circle the big shots and say, hey, these guys done some work for a mandatory year. We want to pack them in. He going to give me a buff at the West Coast meeting over it. And I know who to talk to. I, you know, I wasn't going to go into a whole meeting and say, hey, we've got a guy who's just whacked a bunch of them.

You know, I knew what I was doing. But when I got down to Sunny, I was telling him about it, and I hit me. I said, Sunny, that wasn't human blood, man. He said, what? I said, it hit me, because something was going on my head right there when we was doing that. But it didn't register because I'm thinking of everything else, but it registered right there. When I said, yeah, we burnt that.

It wasn't the acid, iron, physical, human blood. I've smelled blood before. I've cooked more meat over an open fire, let it be a steak, an elk, a deer, a mountain, a bear. I know what wild game blood smells. smelled like. That were wild game blood and hit me right there at Sunny's. He said, you sure. I said, I'm sure. And I grabbed my phone. I called Bobby. And I said, hey, Bobby. I said, where's them guys? Hey, he said, well, they called and said, they didn't want to watch the gate want to know if you were on the road. I said, call them and tell them to get there.

I said, this is wrong, man. He says, me and Teddy think something's going on to. I said, I'll be right back. When I got there, they were supposed to call them to tell them to be there. They weren't there. I said, where they at? Said, we can't find them. The old ladies called their old ladies, which were ATF Hagen's, their girlfriends undercover. All the phones had shut off.

I thought, I'll be down. I said, that blood wasn't real, man. They said, yeah. And Bobby said, I looked at Teddy and said, you think, you're thinking that you're thinking, that I'm thinking that they might be cops because they, you know, and I thought, better get a state meeting. We did.

All the honchos, the whole state, come up to Skull Valley up there, Chino Valley. And we found two bugs in the room, clearing the room. Yeah, because they was in there putting support merchandise together and everything, you know. And we found two bugs. Bobby found them.

We squashed them. And everybody showed up, and Teddy said, tell them. And I said, anybody that's had any dealings with Pops, Timmy, or Jade Aubins. I said, we think they're feds and get ready for conspiracy. And four days later, we were raided. Holy shit. And Joe Patea, his handler, came up to me while I was sitting outside there. They were all mask up, but Joe was.

I'm Joe Pozo. He was Jay's handler. He said, I think we got a warrant for you, Joby. I said, I'm sure you do. I'm sure you do. Yeah. And that was when, you know, the Vagos, or the Banditos were going to take off. And I called Jay and Timmy up, pops, and said, bring your stuff.

We've got to go to Vegas. And they come in the car and had their bag with their guns and their flat vest and armor. and what's going on. I was reading the Louis Lomor Sackett book on the way there. I said, Bands is going to show up, and there's going to be a problem. It'll probably escalate into a gunfight,

so we need to be ready. And we drove over there, and he was able to get a hold. Timmy was the one that made a call. I thought it was Jay made to call. And Timmy had got in the bathroom, I said, hey, man, we're in a bad jam. You know, Jobie's over here to take it to the bandits, you know.

And I didn't say, I'm shooting off her bikes tonight. I was going to, you know, I'm just going to jump in there, let's at this fight, and get her done. You know, there was other club members there, you know. We had some support guys. I mean, our numbers weren't weak, but they stopped 25, Metro. Joe got a hold of Metro and stopped, like, I think, 25 of them from four blocks out out and rattled them so bad that they didn't show up. But J&M showed face.

Man, they were there. They were there for it. They were going to do it. They were prepared, armed up, had their gear, and showed, you know, they were that. I was able to ask Jay on our conversations. I said, Jay, I got to ask you this, man. If I would have dove in there on the first bike and took him off of it, fighting, stabbing, whatever, and it went into a gunfight or I would have pulled a gun or something, would you have shot me?

would you have stopped me? I had always wondered that. And Jay said, no, he says, I really never give it a thought, but if it would have went off, I'd have probably pops and rounds into the ground or, you know, made, you know, or something like that is what Jay told me. But I was wondering, I thought, wonder if Faye did,

you know, here comes Joe be healed, ready to do it if he had a shot me. So that happened, obviously, before the, fake murder. I went back. Yeah. Just the way they played it. Brilliant.

Good at what they did. Yeah. And Jay today, you know, he wrote the epilogue in my book. I contacted him. He's a man of God. You know, he always had God in his life. But he went through a lot. He went through losing his family just about, like I did.

He lost an identity. He lost the trust of the ATF like I lost the trust of the hell's angels. We both went through a thing that a little life of turmoil there that, you know, what do we identify now as? What horizon do we chase today? Mine led to God. And it brought God to bring Jay to me to help me with this, to understand this, and to put out. I have no dialogue with the club, don't care to. I'm done.

I went to prison on my own. I'm not here to browbeat them. I just know that there's a different life. And what you're chasing out there and what you're identifying on your back to die for isn't. You won't like the ending.

You won't like the ending. And you're afraid. There's people out there that are afraid to walk away from that. Not necessarily even of identity, but a fear. Well, I'm not scared because I didn't I didn't do nothing to them

but tell them that you weren't there for me when I needed you. And today I look back on it. I, would I do something different? Heck yeah.

I'd have never joined that club. I never would have. I'd have found God sooner in my life and what he's done for me today what he's about to do for people through this book, through my talks. That's real. To me, that's truth. So the indictments come.

Oh, boy. Did you, first of all, were the heads, Sonny, George, etc. Were they, did they blame you for bringing Jay and all the other covers that? Oh, no, no, no. They blamed Bob took it. Bad Bob took the brown of it. A man dedicated to it, loved it, had family. But it was a club to him.

It wasn't that. Even dirty dozen. Heck yeah, they were hell raise you do dope and all this, you know. But, you cleaned up the hell's angels cleaned things up a little bit. And if you'd have said bad Bob, it's your family or the club, Bob would have handed the colors to you and went home, you know. And they hung it all out on him. you're the one that brought him around you're the one that didn't vet him good enough and this and

that's and that was that was too bad for him it really was so what became a bad bob he walked you know he's back you know i heard about him he said hi to me through somebody here not long ago you know just walked away did he cooperate oh no no no no no I don't know. I laughed at him because anything I ever said to him, they all right, knew something about that. You're shaking their heads, you know, like, tell us something. I don't want to tell you, you know.

I don't have not tell you. You know, it was funny. But through all that, we had a member in Cave Creek that just got out of prison, Dirty Dan, wired 38 times, 38 meetings. he was wired. They got to him, and he was a badass. He'd come out of prison. We helped him.

Did some bike nights for him to get some money together, get him back up, and he got busted for dope, and there's going to run him, or dope or possession firearm or something, maybe both anyway. And never even heard about it. Hey, you're going to go into these meetings wired,

and he went into a bunch of meetings wired. And I never listened to any wires or anything. I don't know what he had said. And we were pretty careful about meetings, You know, you don't show your whole hand sometimes, you know. And some people don't know what the other one's doing. And that's better sometimes, you know. The Bravo, a real man don't need no Bravo.

He needs to take care of business. So what were the indictments? Who was named in it? And what were the charges? On, I can't remember all of them, Johnny. I can't. There's a lot. Oh, boy.

Yeah. I mean, mine was racketeering and Hanson's criminal street gang, rioting, conspiracies to commit murder to other outlaw motorcycle club members. My wire taps for phone's not your friend. I had one Reno, Hell's Angel, tell him, he said, dang, Joby, which I said, I thought I was saying on the right phone. What were you talking about? Oh, stuff.

Bodies. Could have been. Where, who, what, or, you know, just a lot of stupid stuff, man. A lot of stupid stuff. But why don't we get along? And then the Mongol, obviously, the setup, that was conspiracy to commit murder? Or what was the charge there? On them killing him?

Yeah. That really didn't flow over. That was just credibility to them. That was the credibility for the infiltration. That's all that scored. And so when you guys made them, when you realized that, oh, wait, that's fake blood, these are feds. Oh, yeah. Then everything came.

All the wiretaps, all the Mesa, selling the dope with a gun. I mean, that's a law, you know, theft, you know, guns that were stolen and dealing dope and conspiracies, you know, and just a whole bunch of stuff come out in that. And these are from on members from Arizona or California? All over. Okay. All over. I mean, even the ones that carried, you know, through the Laughlin incident,

went all the way from back east to Cleveland, Ohio. I mean, there was a little guy. I love you, man. He was a little guy. His brother was a hell's angel, and he made hells angel. And he was a cool dude, man. He was a kid there trying to stab him with a number five hard pencil. you know that's that's what he took to war with him in there with a pencil and they was getting him for

attempted murder with a pencil right they raided everybody when that went off every it was all coincided did sonny go down in that no no right he wasn't there and what about you what were the what were the main what was the best evidence they had against you for the charges that they laid on you riding and conspiracies committed where from the riot or from other stuff going through from the riot on yeah I mean that isn't where it stopped that's where it started you know I mean and then weren't even I mean I shook his hand somewhere along the line and didn't even I didn't even care who he was because we's fixing to get into it and then you go one more year into that you

know and and I was trying to I was wanting to stay busy you want to some heads. I was mad. I was mad. It shouldn't happen. Shouldn't happen. So what, how did this all play out? They arrest you, dozens of other people. Yeah, a dozen other people. I did six months federal on fair to abide by pre-travel lease and then the Vago thing, rioting. I did two and a half year of state. Through all that combination was my fleet to Mexico. Okay. And then they didn't back me up, so I quit. I didn't even know I had a warrant out for me.

I was headed back to Mexico after I quit the club, not running from the club. I was going back to what I—there was a ranch down there that even the feds told me, heck, we'll buy it for you, tell us anything. And I was wanting to go back down there, and I had a buddy of mine in Vegas was going to come with $165,000. And I was going to go buy this 125-calf outfit and go down there and live a lot. Give me a little senior reading, go back to the mountains where I belong. Yeah.

You know? Yeah. Love the place. It spent time on it, hunted on it, found it. And I'm going, I'm down there waiting on the money to show, ready to go across the border after quitting the club. I'm done with you. Even called brother down in Tucson there, Max. Max co-signed a bike for me when I got out of that federal prison, you know, and I give it back and called Max.

And I said, we all right, bud? He said, Joby, we laughed at your paperwork, man. You know, you flim flammed him. That's what sunny told the West Coast. Joby flim flammed him. He didn't tell him nothing. He wanted his bail down so he could run to Mexico. He liked it down there.

Rats don't do what Joby's done. Okay, so you gave him info, fake info, to get out, to get your bail down so you could get out and flee to Mexico. Yeah, go by. And then so you're down there. I'm down there at all. for, I'm Douglas, waiting on my money, and I got a little place I rented to put my truck,

my dogs, and my horses, and, you know, I'm ready to, you know, Johnny Johnson to find each ranch, you know, hey brother, I'm going to go down there ranch. I'm going to back, I had a ball. I'm done with this. Are you going to be done with the United States? Oh, yeah, I've just done, you know, I've got in my heart, man. I said, heck, I'm going to go, I'm going to go do Joby stuff, you know, where back to the hills, back to my hiology, you know, the cowboy, you know. And I was pulling into a restaurant I ate at, and they swore me, undercover, cops, guns out, you know, on the ground. I said, for you and no other son of a gun, do I kneel for?

So they put me there, where's your patch? So I didn't even do with that no more, man. nothing to do with that no more. And that's when they flew me back. They thought, you know, gang task. So, okay, you know, we can get you that. What was you going to do? I said, I was going back down there and, you know, I had nothing to do with the club no more.

I ain't nothing to say. How did they find you? We'll get you that place down there, you know. How do they find you? Somebody give you up? No, I hadn't given the bike up yet. And the warrant came out, and then here, I am and Douglas on this bike over here out of this lot and they ran the plate.

Who is this guy? He's been around here for two or three days now. It's over here, goes over here and they ran the plate and they, Joby Walters, we found him. We got him down here. We'll get him. We'll fly down there and get him. They wanted me back. Yeah, when they fly down to get you.

Usually they say send him up when you have time. When they'd go to get you and they want you. They want you. Yeah, they flew down there and got me. Oh, so now your goose is cooked. Oh, yeah. I mean, I thought, but no, I didn't tell them. So what were you looking at, obviously, forever?

Oh, gosh, yes. Oh, yeah. With all of it, yeah. I didn't want to go back. But when I went, I got two and a half years. I thought I was going to do eight to 18 on that one. I beat the 80-some with that. the racketeering stuff.

And the judge in the courtroom, Eric Kingman, I'd played softball against him. You know, I knew everybody in Kingman. I had Kingman. So this was in federal court? No, this was state. Okay. That's what I asked the guys when they arrested me.

I said, it's state or federal? Think it's state. That's, well, I know what that's about. The Boggles. All gang task was mad. They couldn't show up over there. Kingman. Bullhead police showed up.

up over there to confront that, I scared of them. I got a fish fought them. And gang task showed up at my door saying, you know they're coming. And if we would have been down there, I said, if you'd have been down there, it would have been any different. You know, we'd have fought you two. He said, Jobie, you know they're coming. I said, yeah, I know they're coming. I'm about fed up with this.

That's when it all came to a head. And the judge, he said, I stopped the whole proceeding. with my lawyer and everything, and here's a prosecutor and gang tasks thinking they got somebody that's going to. And I looked at the judge and I said, I tell you what, and there was three hells angels in the back dress like we are today. And I turned around and I said, look, I said, I'm going to prison by myself. Leave me alone. I'm done. And I turned around to the judge and called on and I said, if you can sentence me today, I'll take it.

He says, well, I can't do that today, judge. But I'll tell you this. He says, you were in a no-win situation from the get-go, and I knew I had one. So when I went to jail and I got sentenced and walked in there with a Bible, I took the Lord to prison with me. I didn't find him in there. And that's my life, man. What were you sentenced to?

Two and a half year, that Buckeye. For what? Riding, rioting assault, assault with intent. tent to do bodily harm and scaring people. People are going to jump off that balcony into rocks to get away from us. I didn't want to hurt nobody ever again. Well, I don't understand is how you beat all of these federal charges.

That's what doesn't make sense to me. Look, I know that... They messed it up. Everybody got off on it. Right. So talk about that. They spent all this money to infiltrate you guys. When I come back and I find out all these...

I own a phone call on a mason and snore. Mexico and my nephew who I make a call to says you lucky MF son of a gun God's with you man they dropped all the charges against you guys cows taking a rap for five and they didn't that's what happened to Jay they didn't bring in all the tapes and evidence and they wouldn't display them they wouldn't bring them out and we asked for them and they didn't so they had to throw it out all that money all Jay put his life out there for and everything. And then Jay's house gets set on fire and the Fed thinks he'd done it to himself to get help or get a new home. And he just, his brotherhood left him high and dry. That is amazing.

It is. I make that call to Spa Bob on that Mesa on that Mexican cell phone. And I said, hey, it's me. And the first thing came out of his mouth was, I don't care where you're at and I don't want to know, but we think we can, Sonny thinks we can get you out of this. I said, I'll be in touch. I'll call my lawyer. I called Todd Levinthal in Las Vegas. I said, hey, Todd, this is Jobi. He gagged. I said, you all right? We thought you were dead, man. We thought either the Mongols killed you or the hell's angels killed you, one or the other. I said, no. I said, you only come back across. and see what we can do. I can.

And if I can get out of this. And that's when I went to come back and I did my two and a half years. And when I got out, I preached on the yard, had a great time, tried to convince the serignios and the peckerwoods

and the Arians and the Nortinos and all of them that they could lead their guys to a better life than what we have in politics and prisons today. you know, and I found out, you know, preaching in there that that's, you know, what what prisoners are looking for when they look for escape.

And that's what I was telling. They're looking for love and forgiveness and respect. Well, they got off, walked away from me. And then they came to me and said, the San Antonio said, hey, you know, you quit preaching to our guys. I said, I don't kneel for no man. I'll talk who I want to talk to. They said, well, we'll come at you. I said, I'll tell you what.

Let's just get her done. And I said, just get one of your boys. And we had a place over there behind the little bucklement where the fat was wearing the phone for that if you squared off back area, you had a pretty good little square off area. I said, I'll bring one. I'll fight for God.

And I threw hands for the Lord in there, and I won. I said, the winter stays on the yard. And the whistle, they tried to sneak the youngster out. They broke my wrist because his head didn't give against the concrete. I snapped my wrist, but I had him, And so I got it done. And they gathered him up and tried to sneak him off the yard. And, of course, he got caught, whistles blue.

Here comes the guards. Everybody up against the fence. Shirts off, hands out. They want to see grab marks, busted knuckles. And I'm dotted up. Heck, I didn't get out of it with nothing. Kid was tough. Been pumping iron on the yard, you know.

I was just annery, you know. And I remember that guard looking. He said, oh, gee, old gangster. What are you doing beating up? these youngsters. I said, man, it's so cool, man. You can bring them back on the yard you want. I said, it's all good. So we went, I went through the hole for a while. Then I got out and Johnny Johnson, my savior, gave me up at the ranch. He was there for me. You know, Dale Wells, Mike Riddle, you know, a good woman, Sue, Sue Williams Hancock, who run the, who run the prison,

probation. Her last name was Hancock. There was a horse's name Hancock, and I saw that, and I mentioned it. I said, yeah, I do horseback and stuff like that. She said, what are you doing in here? I said, I'm in a hell's a angel. Got in trouble. And she saved me. She'd come out there. I got in an argument with my PO, and she'd come out and said, Mr. Walter, when did you get out? I said, three days ago, and this guy's an asshole. Excuse me, Lord. And she says, come in here. And she punched a few numbers and said, when do you want to go to a ranch? I said, tonight, year probation, you know. And she says, if I need a UA, I'll call you and call me once a week.

Have fun. I said, God bless you. And that was. It's just incredible. I mean, that really is God's intervention. You guys are looking at, you guys are looking at federal RICO mandatory 30 years. life with no parole. All of it.

And everybody based. Half a million dollar bail. Half a million dollar bail. And get it down to 50,000. And a brother comes to you, a buddy, and says, here, I'll get you out because they're trying to flim flam me. I said, Eric, Eric Frye, Las Vegas. You know, I built houses for him.

He came up there with 50,000 cash and handed it to him. And I said, Eric, you'll never see it. He says, I don't need to, brother. I don't need to. Good luck. that's a gangster. You knew you were running. Yeah.

Oh, absolutely. He wanted me to. He should get out of here. But at the end of the day, everybody basically walked. Everybody walked. Yeah. Good for you guys. Absolutely.

Good for you guys. I'll say that and I'll stand on that. Okay. Oh, you will. You know. So it's after the federal jump is when the state thing happened. Yeah. And then you go and you do another, you said two and a half?

Two and a half in Arizona. State prison. Six months of Florence. I was at the walls. I always said, well, I got out, went right back in the mix, man. If you ever do anything bad, make it a federal wrap. Because you've got a milk machine you can go to all day long, you know. Those Arizona State prisons.

Oh, my gosh, man. Talk about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a bad spot. And the conditions are horrible. Yeah, they're terrible. You know, everything about it. You know, I'm trying to get.

My book's going into some Prentice ministry. We've got some real good contacts on that to get that book, you know, to have people buy for the prisoner, you know, get it out there where they can purchase it and get it and see it. And, you know, and I have a life and have an identity and know that there is a hope and their faith. And that's what my word's about. It's from a knife that I occurred that cut me free a few times from some hard times.

and the word cut free is to be able to cut free people from their hard times too. And to end that, I'll say it like this, Johnny, is I don't have what you need, but I know who does. And his name is Jesus, man. Amen, brother. That's where I'm at today. I just want to, because people might want to know what happened to Sunny Barger. Could you talk about that really quick? A little of what I know.

I tried to reach out to him, but I couldn't. He was, of course, he was mad. You know, he helped me get out of that old bandito issue, you know, when they got mad at me, we had to talk with them. You know, hey, you know, you do something wrong? You know, what if I put, basically what he told Jr. was, what if I put Seven Hells Angels in Austin, Texas with Texas Bottom Rockers? You're going to have a problem with that?

and the answer was, well, heck yeah. He said, well, Joby had a problem with you guys coming to Nevada with the Nevada bottom rockers. It all plays out the same game, man. So we had peace with that. But he was upset with you for leaving, obviously. Yeah, the way I did. And I tried to reach out to him, you know.

I had, I lost a friend right there. Not a brother. Not a brother. I know what brotherhood is, but I know what a friend is too. And I'll tell you what, I'll call them three men friends before I'll call him brother, if you know what I mean. Sonny was a friend, a real one. He's the man you call at three o'clock in the morning or at 1.30 in the morning,

and he's lacing up your boots. He's lacing his boots up before you tell him what's going on. That's a friend. He's a real one. You're darn right. I had a lot of admiration for, he spent a lot of time with him, a lot of knowledge with him of life.

Not club stuff. I mean, look at the people he knew. But we never got into that. We got into regular motorcycle over the road. Call me up one time. I was coming from London, England. Went over there for, see some people, have fun, you know. Did Myrtle Beach with my mechanical bull,

had a pocket full of money, and went to, called Bobby. said, hey, meet me in New York. I'm flying us to France to the world run. French Riviere. Come on, Bobby. I got a bunch of money. How fuck do you get a mechanical bull to Europe? I didn't take it over there.

We was going to take it to London to the Bulldog Bash. They were going to ship it over there. But we, you know, and I come back, and I'm going up to Laconia. And I meet Doc, who was the beginning or the starting of my book, because he knew the lifestyle. He knew me. He knew the language. And I met him up there.

Well, I'm on the way back. and I call and I put a buddy of mine, my nephew, and a truck and trailer, I want to ride, you know. So I go to Long Island and I'm going to go to Kentucky and I shoot right through pagan country. I don't care, you know. Fastest way across there. Might as well just ride through there.

I wasn't afraid of them, you know. Get shot off my bike, hopefully I get a few rounds off, you know. And Sonny called me when I was leaving Kentucky. And he said, you on your way back? And he said, yeah. He said, you're coming across 40? Yeah, what's up?

He said, up there in Quebec, there was a club that warred with the Hells Angels. Oh, my goodness, why don't I know? The Canadians. They were down, and they wanted to become banditos. So the banditos became, went up there and patched in with them. guys to become bandito. And there was a war up there in Ontario and all across there in Quebec that had 177 people killed and bombs.

And I'm going to say the name and I'm going to come back to you so you can put it in. What was the name of it? It's a big biker war. My gosh. Anyway, they were down there visiting the banditos, a bunch of them. And Sonny said there's a bunch of them rock machine. A bunch of the rock machine are in Albuquerque, and if they see you, Joby, they'll try to kill you.

Be careful coming through there. So I had two magazines, my shirt tail out with my patch on, and I didn't go very fast through Albuquerque. Just floated right on through like I always did. Yeah, that would have been a story, wasn't it? Right. Yeah. But Sonny called me, he said, the rock machine are in Albuquerque, and if they see you, they'll try to kill you.

I said, okay. So, and what was Sonny's fate? Cancer. I believe he died in prison? No. No. When all this stuff went down and everything, and Arizona succumbed, Arizona, hell's angels succumbed to the invasion of the Mongols and the Voggles and the Voggles, and the Voggles, and, and, you know, and and the Banditos and even some pagans in Tucson.

Spa Bob's boy, the president of the Cave Creek. And Cave Creek was pretty much a leader of Arizona, was sunny and all them there, got shot off his motorcycle from the Mongols. They went by a clubhouse, him and a few Californians, some hangarounds down the street from 19th Avenue and Bell and throw some shots at the Mongols' clubhouse. and then drove away, headed back to the post-time bar. Well, the Mongols come out, jumped in a cage, and shot one California,

and an associate off their bike, didn't kill him, but killed Spah Bob's son right there at the traffic light. And there was no retaliation. And Sonny said, what I heard he said was, I'm going back to Oakland where there's real hell's angels. And Sonny moved back to Oakland. And Johnny Angel went back with him and things, you know, and I was out then. I mean, that's through the years, you know.

And Sunny died three year ago. I think it was June of cancer. There was over 7,000 people at the racetrack up there in Northern California to see him. And every outlaw motorcycle club member from just about worldwide made a presence to say bye to Sunny Barber. How did you feel when you heard the news? I cried. I cried. Yeah.

It's sad losing a friend in this life and when they pass. Yeah. He'd have made a good Christian. He would have, you know. But yeah, that's something, that's a friendship, but not a brotherhood, but that's a friendship I'll never forget. And I'm, I'm, I'm, there was no other way but to stand in front. of him to say I'm done with this and I don't need it no more and I'm finished and I'm tired of

fighting and the killing and I walked and it was hard to do that to walk away from that man knowing that this is going to come back on me in a way that I'll never be able to speak to him again and I tried once but it never happened and the man who introduced you guys who originally brought you in Hoover Hoover he said he was shot by the government yeah I was in Kingman up here at my place in Kingman and I got a call from Bob at practically midnight and they were at Burnett's Bernice's bar there at Bell and Cave Creek Road Union Hills and Cave Creek Road and they'd all come out to get on their bikes to go you know and Hoover Cowboy said he looked over and Hoover blood went like that and Hoover slumped over and

fell and his girl getting on the back rolled and they jumped up thinking you know what happened he had a heart attack or what and they saw the blood nighttime motorcycles roaring getting ready to go other guys is going to peel off here to go with sunny out there to carefree highway to go with him others going to the clubhouse was the word and uh hoover was snipered at uh midnight midnight 15 minutes or so right there in that parking lot and tried to find out the shot came across. It's in my book. I'll let you read. I'll let the crowd read that in my book if you don't mind.

I looked into it. I tried to find where your shot might have come from and everything. It was a setup. It wasn't a drive-by. You couldn't have done that with a drive-by. It was a sniper shot. Yes, sir. I think it was the feds.

Hoover was dating a girl and her brother. was a stiper for a SWAT team out of Flagstaff. How you like hearing that out there? And that murder's still unsolved? That murder's still unsolved. Had to have been. Who else? I don't know. That's what Sonny said.

It was the feds. Hoover wanted peace, man. That's all he ever wanted. He didn't want to, he didn't want these wars. He didn't want these fights. He tried to talk to the main man of the outlaws to say, hey, you know, but we don't have a guy on that guy's level.

We don't have that national, national, national that talks to the national. We don't have that. We got one man, one vote. Just like Sonny, he ain't going to make things change. He's got to vote on it too. And Hoover tried to talk to those type of people and say, hey, you know, we need peace, just like George Christie, you know. And Sonny said to peewee, I think, on your broadcast one time.

But, you know, every, the war with the outlaws that's been going on. since whenever. I mean, every peace treaty that was broke was broke by us with the outlaws, not them breaking it with it. You know, we broke it, you know. So what's it going to bring, you know, with gangsters, technology, drug trade, do you hear it all? It's hard to tell what's true anymore, you know.

But then you got them guys out there that all they want to do is, you know, us old school guys that throw that sleeting bag on with a good pad and ride down the road with three days worth of jeans and, you know, get on and ride another day. That's exciting. You know, it's enviable for most people that will never live like that, especially now. Especially now. But you don't have that. You go back to the 70s, the 60s, the era turned at the 80s, man.

You know, I saw it happen. But before that, oh my goodness, man. Yeah. Well, I think the government, you know, to justify their budgets and their job, I think they do kick up a lot of the violence, especially between outlaw clubs. Guaranteed. Yeah.

Guaranteed. Yeah. They're going to say just politics is politics, man. You know. I mean, they do it on the highest level. Yeah. It's... It don't matter if you're going to listen to CNN or Newsmax.

both of them's going to be different on the same subject. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. That's promise. Joby, man, what a, what an honor and a privilege to sit down with you. This was truly amazing to hear your story. So I want everybody to go get his book. Cut free.

The link will be in the description and in the pin comment. A Hell's Angels Ride to Redemption. I can't wait to crack into this. and go to www.jobiewaters.com, and I'll lead you through all of it and where I'm at and get on board. You want to see it? You want to talk to me?

You want me anywhere? You know, if he says me, I'm coming. I want you to teach me how to ride and shoot, man. I'll tell you what. My door's open up there. All right. Okay? Do you ever get out towards Arizona?

I got some good horses, good hounds. I ain't that far, man. No, no. It's not that far at all. That's it. And it's a blessing. Thank you for having me. Thank you, Joby.

I appreciate it. You got it, man. All right, you guys. We'll see you next time. The great Joby Walters, cut free. Go check it out. Take care.