The Connect- with Johnny Mitchell - A Sitdown With America's Most Iconic Pimp: The Life & Times Of Pimpin Ken

Episode Date: January 25, 2026

In this raw, unfiltered conversation, Pimpin Ken, a former high-level pimp from Chicago and Milwaukee, breaks down the psychology, power dynamics, and realities of the pimping game during its peak in the 1970s–1990s. Ken speaks candidly about how he entered the life as a teenager, the culture of pimping that existed at the time, and how manipulation, control, and desensitization became central to survival. He explains the difference between street-level track work and higher-end strip club and VIP hustles, detailing how money was really made — and why most people misunderstand the game entirely. This interview also dives deep into: -The psychology behind control, power, and influence -How pimping was normalized in certain eras and communities -The role of trauma, abandonment, and emotional conditioning -Why he avoided violence and relied on manipulation instead -The evolution from street hustling to sophisticated financial setups -His thoughts on relationships, marriage, masculinity, and power -How prison, reading, and reflection changed his perspective This is not a glamorization — it’s a firsthand account of a brutal system, told by someone who lived it and survived it. Support Ken Books: https://www.lulu.com/spotlight/PimpinKen7?srsltid=AfmBOoocrftoIFbUynb_2YpRlVnI7TyfLbkZk6L55Hq6d821w17fi1K5 Audio Book: https://www.audible.com/pd/Pimpology-Audiobook/B0196WKYU8?source_code=ASSGB149080119000H&share_location=pdp Hip Hop Fraternity: https://www.pimpinken.net/ This Episode Is #Sponsored By The Following: The Wellness Company! Power up with RECHARGE! Click https://twc.health/connect and use code CONNECT for 10% Off + Free Shipping on every order 🇺🇸. Rocket Money! Let Rocket Money help you reach your financial goals faster. Join at https://rocketmoney.com/connect Cash App! Download Cash App Today: https://capl.onelink.me/vFut/ #CashAppPod. Cash App is a financial services platform, not a bank. Banking services provided by Cash App’s bank partner(s). Prepaid debit cards issued by Sutton Bank, Member FDIC. See terms and conditions at https://cash.app/legal/us/en-us/card-agreement. Cash App Green, overdraft coverage, borrow, cash back offers and promotions provided by Cash App, a Block, Inc. brand. Visit http://cash.app/legal/podcast for full disclosures. Join The Patreon For Bonus Content! https://www.patreon.com/theconnectshow 00:00 Introducing Pimping Ken & His Legacy 02:18 Origins: Hustling in Chicago 06:01 Juvenile Crime & Early Lessons 09:08 Transition to Milwaukee & First Schemes 13:16 Entering the Pimp Game 16:46 The Milwaukee Pimping Culture 20:25 Psychological of Pimping 21:24 This Episode Is Sponsored By The Wellness Company 22:58 Breaking Tricks – The Strip Club Game 28:39 How Pimping & Payments Really Work 33:01 Scaling Up: From Pimping to Business 38:42 Managing Multiple Women 39:48 Manage YOUR Money With Rocket Money 41:27 Pimping, Power & Mind Games 49:54 This Episode Is Sponsored By Cash App 51:22 From The Streets to Legendary Status 56:15 Trauma, Environment & Why People Pimp 01:02:03 Book Deals, Rap Fame & Legal Hustle 01:10:54 Major Deals, Royalties & Real Business 01:17:41 Education, Self-Help & Writing Approach 01:26:01 Life After Pimping – Giving Back 01:32:31 Fatherhood, Relationships & Change 01:38:46 Financial Success: Pimp Game vs. Legal Life 01:44:00 Stepping Into Mainstream Business & Media 01:48:02 Building the Hip-Hop Fraternity & Future Plans 01:50:02 Final Reflections & Where to Find Ken Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Once I became desicitized and I took the heart out of it, then I became one of the biggest pimps of all times. Real pimps is control freaks. I understood that pimping was a psychological game. The trick knows he's being played, but he loved a game. Pips sell women dreams. I was the dream. Today's guest is the legendary Pimpin Ken,

the most iconic Pimp in American history. Kenneth Ivy has a rags to riches street story. From selling candy as a little kid on the south side of Chicago, to committing Czech fraud and bank robbery, and then finally, learning and perfecting the Pimp trade on the streets of Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Pimp and Ken went on to make millions of dollars in the Pimp game, at one point having as many as 16 hoes in his stable. From Washington, D.C., to Hawaii to Las Vegas, wherever the tricks were spending money, Ken was touching down. He reveals the secrets of the Pimp game, why he was so successful, and how he pioneered the Pimp language that

is copied by so many rappers and entertainers that we admire today. His 1990, book, Pimpology, sold millions of copies and allowed Ken to retire from the Pimp game. And today, he's become an entertainment mogul with a diversified stake in music, fashion, film, and cryptocurrency. Make sure to go get his book The Art of Human Chess available anywhere you get books. For a bonus episode with Ken, where we talk about his company, H.HF, the hip-hop fraternity, and the way it's disrupting the music industry. Plus, so much more.

Subscribe to the Patreon, patreon. Patreon.com slash the Connect show. Okay, you guys, this is an all-time great. The Pimp of the Year, the Pimp of the Motherfucking Century, the legend, Pimp and Ken, right here on The Connect with Johnny Mitchell. It's a real honor to sit down with you. I told you over the phone. I've heard a Pimp and Ken just through listening to rap from decades ago.

And very few former pimps really have like the staying power that you have had, you know? It's interesting, too, because pimping has become kind of accepted in the larger zeitgeist, right? Like Snoop Dog branded himself as a pimp. Ice-T branded himself as a pimp, but these were just entertainers, too short. Hey, ball, MJT.

That's right. But you were a real pimp, like you were having hose. Right, I was in the game. Tell us where you're from, how you got into the game, how you grew up. Well, I was born in Chicago, Illinois. And as a very young man, I was a hustler, right? So we used to, me and my brother used to go to Jews,

and we used to bag these people for quarters. Like, hey, can you give me a quarter? Can you give me a quarter? It was the thing that all the hustlers did, the little young hustlers. Then so we went, me and my brother said, man, we're not getting enough money. So we did, we started cutting the little flowers, you know, little flowers that grow.

They look like roses. We had cut the flowers. We get the 24-case box, we put the flowers in there, and we would sell the flowers as a donation. I shouldn't even say this. My mom going to kill me, but we would sell the flowers as a donation for the church. Amazing. Yeah, but that's where the deception and the game really started.

My father was a hustler. My father was a crapshooter and a pool shark. So he used to hustle pool, and my mama was a square. You know, she would work a regular job. So, you know, my uncles were, you know, hustlers and stuff. They sold drugs and stuff back then. So I was kind of pretty much kind of brought up in that lifestyle. Totally.

But at the same time, you know, my father would say, don't do this, don't do this, don't do this. But, you know, because he was our father, he's our hero, we wanted to be with, I wanted to be like my dad. So I would, you know, bypass him and go to his partners and get the game, right? So then so people were like, man, you two shop, you know. And they said, but you got to get out of this petty shit, right? Right. Then we went to stealing candy, you know. And me and my friend, John Devine, we were still candy and sell the candy at school, you know, like we had a store in school.

So, you know, we would do that. Then so finally my brother and I, we was in Oak Park, Illinois. And it was this guy. It was a white guy. He was drunk. He was extremely drunk. And back then, you know, they can call you niggers, you know, and it wasn't bad. You know, it's like that was really racial.

He was like, nigger, nigger. And my brother pushed him. And when he pushed him, he pushed him into the tracks. And in Chicago, they got what you call the third rail. So if somebody touched the third rail, it would electrocue him. So they treat like attempt to murder. But the cameras was seeing that he was, you know, but the police, you know, because they was racist too.

Oak Park was like, man, that's like the clans that stay home. So we get to the police station. They beat us. We like, mind you, 14 years old. They beating us, kicking us in our heads, stumping us, calling us niggers, you know, just really being real disrespectful. And they gave us an attempt to murder charge. So I'm only 14.

They put me in a real prison, like a real jail, like in the Cook County jail. That's like GDs, vice lawyers, you know, it was crazy. And, you know, my brother was 16. But they put us in there. We stayed in there for three months and we finally, you know, beat the charge. Right. You know, because, you know.

But that's devastating, though. Yeah, it was devastating. And it kind of, I met hustlers in there. And it kind of pretty much Calipo, or it was the embryonic stages of my criminality because I learned a lot of stuff, you know. Of course. And so when I got to Milwaukee,

my mama said, we got to leave. We get to Milwaukee. I immediately go there and try to cash a check that wasn't even in my name. That's how illiterate I was. I had to be an illiterate, stupid dude to go in there to stay. If I was even an older white lady, I just got to check out of her thing.

I didn't know what I thought I could just go in there and just say, hey, here's a check for $300. I want to cash it. And, man, the FBI came, and I called my first federal case. People don't believe this at, like, 15. I could have been about 15 or 14 to have. And so the feds know I didn't know what I was doing.

So they just sent me to reformatory school for three months and met some more criminals. And, you know, mind you, my dad and my uncles was players, so I understood a game on another level. And I got out and I started hustling with this other guy at John Devine. We was robbing jury stores, not like with a gun, but we're going there. We get them some stuff to look at, then we were snatching and run. So we did that. And then that kind of, you know, got old. And then I went to jail.

And when I came out, John, JD, my partner, he had three holes. So I said, man, give me one another. He said, which one you want? I said, I want the one that's light bright down there, and the white with the one with the pussy candy strike. You know, so he was like, okay, take her. Her name was Dirty Red. So that was beginning of my career,

16. And what year was that? I was 16 years old. It had to be in the 70s. Okay. So, so this is still the era. This is really the height of the pimping. This is the mag and dodomite all this. This is super fly. Exploitation films was out, you know. It was really, you know, really game. You know, really tracks and pimping going on. Yeah. And you dressed in furs with the hats and minks and minks and yeah. Wow. And I'm shocked that Milwaukee, probably most people don't know this, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, this cracker-ass state with a cold-ass, you know, rainy-ass Milwaukee where they're known for like beers and being working-class white people at cheese is one of the biggest pimp tracks in the country. Why do you think

that is? Well, it was Minnesota too. You know, you remember the movie Minnesota Strip? I never saw that. It was called the movie Minnesota Strip. So what happened was a lot of the pips from all over the will go there because they had what you call a track, a blade, a holstrogue. So they would come there. So you got people from Memphis, Chicago, California. And so they're having kids, you know, and they're recruiting the chicks in the town. So that's how it became a Pimp town. You know, pills from all over the world would come because the police will let them do what they want to do.

Back then, it wasn't on human trafficking. So if you could beat your girlfriend up and the police was like, you and your girlfriend go home, they thought they were girlfriends. So it wasn't no issue. It wasn't no man act, no pimping and pan or another of that. It was just straight hoaring and pimping. Right. So, you know, you're in that culture.

And, you know, people talk a certain way, and it's a small town. So I always say in the small town it's the most game because if you're an robber, you are a dope dealer, you're a pimp, and you're a hole and you just now, y'all bumping into each other every day. So everybody got a little bit of all the game. You see what I'm saying? Sure, sure. So you're picking up information so you can depict what you want to be.

I'm going to be a pimped today. I want to be a dope deal tomorrow because the community was so small. So the gang was congested in that small little pot. But is there a lot of trick money there? Like are there a lot of people buying homes? Because you got in Milwaukee. Farmers. You know, it's one of the richest states in the union.

You know, Minnesota, because it's nothing but farmland. That's where most of your corn, your beer, your cheese, your milk, a paps, grower, you know, A.L. Smith, you know, Ford, you know, so it's a working town. Right. That's why all the pimps convened there because it was a working town. That's right. It's like gambling. The working man wants to gamble. Like Vegas. Right. And he wants, you know, something on the side. So it's the same way that the same mindset as the mafia, right? Like they had gambling and they had

women, right? So it's, but the brothers had it. It was a black thing. Yeah, yeah. And the thing about it, is that it's like if you got a hundred of the baddest bitches walking up and down the track, and you're a working class, dude, your wife at home, she's fat. Definitely. You can spend at that time probably $30, you know, to sleep with one of the baddest. I mean, it was white, black, it was all the type of color, you know, in Milwaukee. Because all the pimps from all over the world will come.

And that's how we've got to lay with pimptown. So a lot of those guys went back to where they went, but that culture state. Right. You know, it's like certain towns got a certain culture, that culture state, and then everybody started wanting to be a pimp. And so that's why I was, you know, I was so smooth with it because I had so many people, you know, influencing it. Yeah, you know.

Wow. So the hose were these, yeah, what were the hose like in the late 70s? Well, you know, they was, it was a culture. So, like, they wanted to be holes. Right. So holes would choose pimps, you know, like how they make this thing about this human trafficking, these guys is all, you know, bad and stuff like that. No, these were people who actually participate in the game, and they love the game. They love being hoes.

They love being pimps. They would throw parties, players' balls. They would, you know, go to the after hour, you know, to cocaine, you know what I'm saying? Smoke weed. It was a culture, you know, just like, it was like L.A., Hollywood, but it was in this small, little environment. Right. And some people couldn't wait to get to become pimps.

Some people couldn't wait to become holes. So it was accepted. And, you know, holes, you got chosen with your mouth closed. Holes, choose pimps back then. You know, today, you know, so much manipulation and so much kind going on. It was a different culture. You know, some of these guys that's doing it today, don't even know what they're doing. Spring weekends are all about family, sunshine, and evenings on the patio.

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about pimps. Oh, you got to put your hands on a hoe. You got to talk to a hoe rude. You're exactly the opposite. Have you always been this way? I don't put hands on holes. I put plans on hose. It's a non-contact sport, you know. Pimps are like Mark Twain. That's like a Mark Twain quote. I mean, you guys are real American poets. So tell us, you're 16. You got one of your hos, your friend John basically gifted you, one of your first girl. And then, yeah, how did that grow? What kind of money can you bring off of a girl back there?

Well, she gave me, the first money she gave was like $2007, right? And then she kept giving me money every day. But she was a different type of chick. And I didn't know she was manipulate me. She was manipulating because she wanted to have safe. sex all the time. And in the PIM game, you don't, you know, your, your penis is your trophy. So you try to starve a chick. The more you starve or the more you don't act like a trick, the more you act like you got control and you got penis control and you're not tinned under the zipper,

the more she gravitates towards you because, you know, when she goes to a trick, you know, tricks is more, you know, freaks and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Desperate. But you're supposed to be the opposite of that, right? So I didn't know that. At first, she was just, let's do it, let's do it all the time. And it was crazy because actually she was 24. It was actually statutory rape. You know what I'm saying? She were raced with me every day, you know what I'm saying?

Because she was much older than me. But, you know, I couldn't shake the hustle, right? She wouldn't get enough money, you know, because if I go to a mate, I go in there with a bag of change. I got like 100, 200 pennies. And the tailor, she'd take the penny, she'd go on the back, and they got the penny machine, you know. And when she go in the back, I just reach over the counter. And I grabbed the money. I was grabbing.

I found out years later that the money was in the second drawer. So I started getting the second drawer. That's where you get anywhere from 20 to 30,000. They keep all the 150s. They just kept the 20s at the top. So we learned that, you know, and then that's the kind of money. I just kept going back to jail. So you were robbing banks.

In your early Pimp days, you were still doing other stuff. Because pimping money was too slow for me. Right. or I didn't know the game yet. So the last time I went, it was a guy named Pimp and Pope. He was one of the biggest pimps in Milwaukee. He had got into it with another pimp over a girl.

He ended up shooting him because the guy was on top of his car. So when I got in there, you know, I said, man, what the hell are you doing here with me if you're a pimp? You know, because they didn't know me. He had seen me out there trying to pimp. You know, I was attempted pimp back at that time. So he said, man, you know, if you want to be a real, Pimp, you got to have all the sympathy

to remove out your heart. You got to go get a triple bipas. He said, Pippen a heart, when you're pimping, a heart, is the organ you can't afford. You know, you can't have no heart because you send somebody that's, you know, somebody's child, you know, somebody's sister, somebody's mother, you send them out the door, and you send them out in harm's away because there's no guarantee

she's going to come back home. So, you know, you got to be desistized, right? So I was desistatized. He's taught me how to be desistatized. and not to have a heart. And that was the part that I was missing. Once I learned that, then, you know, I always was a nice looking guy.

I can get bad, the bad as chicks. But, you know, it's hard when you got a bad chick, and she got the beautiful body. You know, she's just gorgeous, and you got to send her out there to a sadistic trick. You're like, oh, my God, you know, I'm, I'm, she too pretty for that. Yeah, it's an awful thing. It's an awful thing.

Objectively. Objectively. I mean, and you still, you still, you steal your mama's son. Right. You steal your daddy's son. You still your grandmama's grandbaby. That's right. You know, you're just in this world because you're trying to survive.

You know, you're just trying to figure out, man, how can I get to the next paycheck? You know, how can I survive? And that's the part that I was missing. Once I became desicitized and I took the heart out of it, then I became one of the biggest pimpsing of all times. You know what I'm saying? I got all the up to 16 holes. Wow. You know, and, man, I'm telling you.

about Johnny, man, I had some of the baddest chicks. And you know, you still have this thing that you're still a man. You're like, man, I want to keep this one to myself, right? But, you know, it's a saying in the game you can't get high on your own supply, you know. And I had to, you know, a lot of women that I probably would have, you know, said, man, I would marry this chick. This chick is fine. I mean, she's so far as to mom should have had triplets. But, you know, you can't do that in the game. You have to love money more than pussy. No, you got to love yourself.

See, Pimfin is a control thing. You know, pimps like the, real Pimps is control freaks. So they like, you know, give what they call instruction. Hey, go give me some food, you know, or cook me some eggs. Or, you know, go to my car and get my shoes out of the car. You know, you just give instructions. So Pimpsin is a game of instructions, right? So the money become obsolete after a while because you feel like God, you know,

like you're some kind of God, you know. I don't know if you're the real God, but maybe Geron. the guy, you know what I'm saying? But you feel like that, and the women doing everything, you're saying you've got beautiful women bowing down to you, and you know, you've got guys that control Fortune 500 companies, but they punk's at home. They women control them.

You know, you got guys, you know, 6-3. They got a woman 5-3. You ask them to say, man, let's go to the Packers game. Man, my woman tripping, I can't go tonight. But this guy throwing everybody across the club because the women, what they do is they, break a man down. You know, the first, I don't know how many of your audience is, in your audience is religion,

but the first chapter in the book is called the Father Man, the book of Genesis. It's about a woman breaking a man down. So the woman has always posed a challenge. Yes. You know, even though allegedly the book said she came from his real, you know. And a woman, as Goldie liked to say, if you don't take control, she's going to take the steering because she feel you're about to crash anyway. That's right.

You know what I'm saying? He's going to crash. She has to believe in your masculinity. Yeah. And how many men have we known to commit suicide over sex, right? Or over a woman. So I'm subjected to that same, those frailties, you know. Yeah.

We all are. Yeah. I can potentially be weak to a woman too. But because of my training, just like a fireman or a police officer, when he shoot you, he don't want to kill you, but that's his training. He has to kill you because it's part of his job. You know, you don't really want to do the things that you do, you know, in the game, but it's part of the training because if you don't do it, then the woman,

she has a disposition to. Her disposition is too. It's just a weak-ass nigger. He's a punk-ass motherfucker. He's a bitch. You know, he ain't no real pill. You know, they'll say that. You know, so you have to put these guardrails up,

and you got to have your game tight to the point where you don't allow this woman to penetrate you. Yeah. And you got to act like no matter what she do. If she, if that woman leave, you're talking about Kenny Rogers. It's Kenny Rogers for real. You got no one to hold them, no one to fold them. You know, you got to really be able to say, you know, bitch, get on out of here.

Yeah. I don't need you. Boss Bunyan's. Yeah, but knowing deep down inside, man, I hope she don't really take this, this challenge, you know. But, you know, that's what pimping is. So pimping is a mind control. You got to control it.

And you know, a pimp understand what a lot of men don't understand. A woman job is to debase a man, you know. And a woman to say stuff like, where you're going? Who's that in your phone? You know, and she does it, you know, in increments. After a while, she'd chip away methodically until you actually bowed down. And I'm talking about even, you know, you got men like Jeff Basil and other men who are, you know, extremely rich and affluent, you know, but they're weak to women.

Right. You know, a lot of men are weak to women. And it's because that's the only defense that a woman have. Like me and you, you can probably throw me around this room and probably do all kind of flips and kicks. No, I know you were never. But I'm just saying, you know, as a man, you could do that. But a woman, all she has is her mind. And the body, the sex.

Yeah, but her mind is more power than the sex because she can break you down emotions. She, God gave a woman the same thing gave a skunk, a white stripe in the belly for the funk. you know, even the Bible said you, you don't want, that was beautiful. Yeah, but you don't want, you don't want, you don't want, you don't want to meet the scoring of a woman. No. You know, so, so, you know, we, we know, that even you're getting some of the divorces

and stuff like that, you know, women take men through there. And they go, yeah, it's, it's a serious. No, they ruin, ruin men's lives. Yeah, they, I mean, what, physically, emotionally, it's hell. Yeah. So, so, so, so what I do, what I do, I stand on women. I control. I take control.

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Now, Ken, at such a young age as a teenager or in your early 20s, do you know all of it? Like, did you have to learn all of this wisdom that you have now? Like, did you just learn that through trial and error through being a pimp? Or did you, like, study the shit? Did you read about the psychology of members? I read Iceper Slim. I read all those books, but I didn't want to be there. See, Iceper Slim shot heroin in cocaine.

I never wanted to, I'd never been a drug addict. I don't use drugs. I don't smoke. I don't do anything. Right, right. You know, so that wasn't my flavor. So I tried to stay away from that. But, you know, some of the principles that they had in the books and stuff like that,

I had a different, because I was more psychological, you know, I understood that pimping was a psychological game. So with me, it wasn't about me just learning from other people. It was about me learning and create my own pathway. So everybody was like, man, you got to do this, got to do this. So I learned one secret in pimper. is that women, Pips sell women dreams. I never sold a woman's dream.

I was the dream. Okay, so what is the end goal of that dream? Well, they like diamonds. They like Rose Royces. They're like Maserati's. I had all that, you know, big houses. So I didn't have to work as hard as the other guys to get the women.

All that to do was show up, and they thought I played for, you know, the Milwaukee Bucks, the Green Bay Packers. They thought I was a football player. They thought I was an athlete. I was an actor. I was a celebrity because they see me with all these trappings of life.

And that's how they perceive that. And I learned that at a young age. So women would just see me, they wanted to be with me because of my success, you know, or my appearance of success. Because, you know, perception is reality. Right, right. So you were psychological.

Now, so were you not coming off as like a normal pimp? No, see, that's a misconception. I know some pimps, you know, They own strip clubs. They got 30 bitches, all along work in the club. I know pimps that play golf, you know, hobnob with the president. You know, a real pimp you would never really know them. I'm talking about a guy that's really doing it.

You know, he's probably a multi-millionaire because it's a lot of money and sex. Right. You know, and once you organize it, you know, the mob, you know, Dennis Huff, you know, from the bunny ranch, he was making millions of dollars. So it's different levels of the game. Like, my girls didn't sell pussy. They sold pussyality. You know what that is?

So Pussyology, when you give a trick or male, the perception that he's going to get some pussy, but he never get the pussy. So you have the persona of a prostitute. You make a trick think that he's going to get some sex, but it's all gay. So like if my girls worked in the strip club, when they go in the strip club, what they would do is they would order drinks, you know, water for them, vodka for the trick. The trick get in the VIP room, he's drinking the vodka, she's getting him drunk. we understood that in every strip club,

they got a thing on there called gratuity on every seat. So instead them asking for the money, they order some wings for like $30. Then they put an $800 gratuity. The trick is drunk. He approved it. So we was running like, you know, thousands and thousands of dollars up.

And I was the only guy that really understood this game. I created this game. And is that legal? Yeah, that's legal. It's a tip. Wow. Wow. And they look at it.

They're drunk and they go, yeah, cool. Yeah, he got to sign it. That's what make it legal, the signature. Wow. Yeah, so once he signed it, it would be illegal if she took it, and she went and took his credit card and ran without his permission. Right. But every transaction was signed, and it was legitimate.

And then, you know, she's playing another game. Remember, it's called Pussy Allity. So Pussy Alley, this game is, I don't know if I can cuss on here. Of course you can. But, but like a trick right, when he in the VIP, P-room, she's telling him, you know, like, hey, we're going to have fun, we're going to have fun. But she's working with the security guard, so the security guard keep coming in. So instead of her touching his dick, she tells him, Jack your dick off, and she's playing with

her pussy. And she's making all of, you know how women moan and groan, that turns them on. And then she says, stop, stop it. You know, the security company. So she's selling him pussy out. He's thinking he's going to get sex. He thinks he's going to have sex with it, but he's not having sex with it. And so the long, she drags it out.

She drags in there and more money's got. So you go, you order wings, you go from wings to a soda, you go from a soda to a drink. And in every scenario, you know, you charge in a different charge. And it's a difference. It's not 800. And then it goes to 700, then it goes to 500. That way you can't get a charge back. Right.

But at the same time, as she's running her little game, right, the club is on the two. And it's $1,000 will say legit. So when it says your credit card don't work no more, then she got him at, she's drunk. She walked him through it. He called, they called the bank, and then she reactivate the car. Wow. You know what I'm saying? And then if the trick is live, a live trick is somebody that, you know, you can run up.

So if he's live, she would take him from the club to Walmart and she had ordered gift cards, gift cards for $500. So the gift cards she would use for hotel fees, for paying, you know, for trips and stuff like that because that's still money. Otherwise, you'll pay for cash. And then if that, you know, if he go to the credit card where he actually uses his actual credit, now she's getting Birkin bags, she's getting Louis Vuitton bags and stuff like that. And she could bust a trick out like that without even fucking him?

But yeah, because she's still pussy out. The biggest mistake most holes do is sell a pussy for $20, $50, $50, $100 because now, you know, the thrill is gone. Yeah, I got the pussy. I got the pussy. So a trick love a challenge, right? especially, you know, white men. White men love to, you know, different. A black man say, fuck this bitch.

This bitch ain't give me no pussy. But a white man love to conquer women, you know what I mean? Especially women that he think are conquerable, right? Yeah. So he's going to try everything. And if he don't know he's being played, then he's going to play the game all the way to he gets all the way stretched out. So like Pusciality is basically like, oh, maybe this woman actually loves me.

Maybe she's trying to sell him the dream of like a relationship. Yeah, she'd be like grab. grabbing him and like, you my fucking husband. You love me, don't you, motherfucker? She's talking to him like that, right? Right. Because she's, you know, she got to create this scenario. Of course.

And she's got to be drunk. And like, what the fuck is you doing? Grabbing his phone, you better not be trying to talk to another bitch. She's psychologically, you know, it's pussyality. So it's a game that she's playing. And the trick know he's being played, but he loved the game. Because, you know, it's like a bitch, right, that know that she can have any motherfucker out there.

She's a bad bitch. But when she meet that one dude, they give her that challenge, even though she know that she don't have to give him the money or she don't have to do these things for her, she loved the challenge. You know, a woman love with a man, you know, don't pay them attention. Women love with a man is hard to get. They love when the men, you know, mess with other women. And, you know, you throw that up in their face and they know that they're the second

or they decide chick. You know, they say they don't like it, but they like it because the challenge. That's right. Because her mind in her mind is this motherfucker, I'm a bad bitch. I'm going to tear his ass up. I'm going to break him down to the last compound. So she's thinking she's going to flip you. But if you got real game and you understand the game that you play,

the probability of her actually flipping you is probably slim to know. But in the same thing, when you look in that a rich white trick with a whole lot of money that control Fortune 500 companies and everybody is submissive to him, you know what I'm saying? He's the boss. And now he got this little ghetto bitch. You know what I'm saying? Bossing him around. It works better with white women, though.

Because, you know, white men love their kind. You know what I'm saying? Me? They love dealing with white women. You know, I mean, a black woman, he ain't going to let her get too slick over it. But, I mean, black women can play the game, too. They can play it on black men. Right.

It works better with a white woman because the pusyality is not only, it's the girlfriend experience, too. You know, he feels like this is. She's telling him. You know, she acting like his wife. She acting jealous. She acted like she's really concerned. Like she really like him, you know, playing his hair. Like, you know, tell him shit like, I'm going to fuck the shit out of you.

You know what I'm saying? She ain't going to never fuck him. But she said, I'm going to fuck the shit out of you. So these women, they have to be top-notch bitches. They can't just be selling pussy. They have to have hustle like, you know. Blue-Eye or Brunette, all-American white women, but zero fat on their body. Yeah. Titty's done.

Everything. You know, they don't wear gowns. You know, my girls, if I had them in the strip club, they never dance. Every time they'd go to the DJ to get a DJ $50. They can call that rookie bitch up. I'm not going up on stage. Why? Because she wants to be out there with an action.

You're talking to me. Yeah. And then, you know, if a trick is sitting in the strip club, right, say sitting in deja vu, and it's all. these women there, they're all beautiful, right? A real chick that sell Pussyality, she wants to get that trick in the VIP room. So she's going to start, let's go to VIP room, I want you to fuck the shit out of me. You know what I'm saying?

I want to play with my pussy. I want you to see my pussy. I got a pretty pussy. You ain't never seen the pussy. She knows once she get them out of that environment, she's the only bitch. Uh-huh. You know what I'm saying? So, and then if she see, if you came in there, Johnny, you was a big trick and you

know of being a big trick, the first thing she's going to do, I ain't saying your trick, Jack. She's going to pay the DJ money to take the girl, to get the girl that's sitting with you to go dance. Here, he'll go $100. Call her up to dance. That's right. To get her out of the way.

Did she's going to dive in on you. She's going to get you out of that environment. That's right. So that's a lot of, a lot of people. dudes don't peep on that level because you got to be smart too. Okay, so are these girls, when we think of pimping, we think this girl goes and sells a date, sex, blowjob, and then brings all the money back to her pimp. But this sounds like the arrangements a little different.

What are these bitches getting, what are their cuts out of breaking tricks like this in strip clubs? Well, this is the fun part. So the fun part of it is that when you deal in this level of game, everything is basically, based on barter, right? So it's a barter system. So what I do is I go get a nice apartment, probably like some, you know, decent for about 1,500. I tell her that I sell leased to her for 3,500.

So I'm making an extra 2,000 on the apartment. I go get her a car. I probably use some of my credit, get her a car like a nice little BMW, a little pink BMW, something like that. Car 13,000. I, right, I build a cell phone. sell, car 40,000.

I tell her you pay these monthly notes, you know, $2,000, $3,000, you know, a month. Same thing with jury. I get the jury hide in the streets. I get it for like a thousand. I go to my jeweler. I say, say, I can't say his name, but hey man, listen, I want you to put a markup

on this. He marked it up, you know, maybe $20,000. I give him $2,000. We're getting it on credit, she'd think. Right, right. And then now she has responsibility. You've got motivation, inspiration.

So she's working towards something. I got you. So she's not paying me as a pimp. Even though the society would call it pimp

but she's not paying me. This is America. You know, buy low-sale high. That's what we're doing. We buy, but you're taking away the criminality out of it.

You try to see, a real hustler live his life like he on trial, meaning that whatever you say will be used against you to court of law. So you try not to do

anything that's incriminating. Of course. You try to, you try to separate yourself as far as you, you care from cry. Of course.

And that was a legitimate way to have her. Then she owned the own house. Yeah. She paid the own rent. She owned the minks. She owned the diamonds. She owned the car. And she was-

But she was paying you off for those things. You were essentially like a bank for her. Yeah, you become the bank. Because now she don't feel like she's being used. She's going to her house. She's driving her car. It's her jury, is her mink coat. She's paying.

She knows that she's in. have a bill. She got to pay because, you know, you know that. They didn't think about it. Even without that, she would sell her pussy and she would give you the money. She would do everything. You say, do you just put another element to the game? This bitch already like me. She liked me like, she like Chris Brown or like Trace's a guy. So I got her mind already. Right. Now, you know, I got to take her to another level. You know, I don't want her to give me $1,000 every day because I'm her pimp, you know. And that's it. You know, I want her to be like, I kind of pay my bills, I got to pay my rent. I got to

pay for my jury, you know, I want her to be happy. I want to be around other holes and other holes see her with minks and diamonds on it. You know, she got a different attitude. I'm raising her confidence. She's not moving like other holes. The other holes, they're unhappy. The pimps is beating them. They're uncomfortable. You know, they ain't get nothing out the deal. And it doesn't really work. So I had to, as an educated man, I had to figure out how do I benefit everybody in this situation, you know. Wow. And if you look at pimps and my whole dog,

you know there's all my holes had on minks and diamonds and shit. You know, you ain't never seen me with a reggae bitch. You know, I don't do that. Yeah. How long did it take you to move up from, we'll call it, like, street pimping or putting hose on the track to actually moving up to where I got him in strip clubs and we're doing all, only doing this really sophisticated, high-end kind of breaking of tricks?

Because I kind of stumbled up on it because, you know, one trick had we was in, I think it was in Iowa. I was in Iowa and a trick had gave one of my young ladies, this was years, years ago, gave her like a $1,500 tip. And he gave her in the gratuity.

And the light bill hit me in my head. I said, God damn. I said, you can get fucking money off the gratuity. Fuck the dance and fuck the, you know, the dollars and the making the rain shit, you can pop. And then I just, every bitch they got with me,

I taught them that game, you know. And then, you know, the only person they really have sex with is you now. You know what I'm saying? They don't feel sluddy. They don't feel dirty. You know what I'm saying?

And, you know, maybe now and then, you know, they might get a regular or something, you know, or rich, or white or Asian trick that they probably have to have sex with maybe once or twice a month.

And now, but this dude giving them like $20,000, I was a pop, you know. Wow. So, yeah, so, you know, I stumbled up on it. And once I seen that, I was like, damn, you know, these motherfuckers, you can, you, this is a, because I can go, I can go to a restaurant.

I can give a, I can go to a restaurant. I can give a waitress a $1,500 tip. Think about it. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's common sense. It's, you know, the most simplest thing in the world, will bow for a genius. But yeah, the baby can understand it. You understand what I'm saying?

Like, this shit, this shit. And I got away with it for years. That's why everybody was like, man, Ken got the Fasci, he got the $100 Jacobs. He got the Rolls Voices. You know, I mean, you know my history. I'm the shabvest motherfucker in the game, but motherfuckers not knowing what my game was. They thought I was actually, you know, just really mashing on the bitch. No, I was raised, I was leveling her up and giving her a game, you know, and that's what I was.

I was gained. You know, that's why, you know, and I read a lot when I was in prison, too. Right. So, you know, I read a lot. I study, you know, read books like, you know, Kia, Robert Kiyosaki. Robert Kiyosaki. Rich Dad, poured out. Agamadino, you know what I'm saying?

The richest man in Babylon. Think and Grow Rich. You know, these were the book back of the day. Dale Carnegie, how to win friends and influence people. You know, I was just a reader, you know, Prince McAvelli. You know, I was reading this shit when I was in my 20s. You thought this was your run club era. Turns out it was more of a thinking about run club era.

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If Malcolm X could have been a pimp, I think he would have been kind of like you. You've got the mouthpiece of, uh, Yeah, like a brother from the nation of Islam. But the game, the hustle of a cat from the south side of Chicago. It's really interesting, man. We don't have, where I come from, there ain't cats like you. Guys, can you keep track of all your monthly subscriptions and how much money is leaving your account on auto pay every month?

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let me tell you a fun secret right so you know I told you at 16 and at 17 I was robbing banks right in jury store so you know the count of money I was used to Johnny was phenomenal so if you're rob in the jury store you get two three three hundred dollar of jury this just become your appetite, right? Two, three hundred thousand dollars worth a jury. Are you kidding me? Yeah. Wow.

Back then? Go look at my criminal record. You know, look at some of my cases. You can see it's on the dot. You see, I was getting big money. I was robbing the jury store. I went for bank robbery. You know, I didn't go for the gun bank robbery.

I went for actually beating the bank out of probably millions of dollars and all my, me and my partners, right? So my appetite for money was different, you know. I mean, when you look at the Bible, when you look at the study of David, right? David just didn't want to be king. David overheard his family talking about the perks of a king. Once David knew what the perks of a king was, that's what inspired him to be king.

That's why he was able to, you know, take out Goliath. You know what I'm saying? Because the perks was so great. He had exposed. I was exposed to a lot of money at a young age. You know, we looked at better than the pimps. You know, that's why all the pimps gravitated towards us that gave us game because we was young dudes with plenty of young.

your jury on and driving cars. We couldn't even drive. We used to take a limo to school. Me and my friend JD, and we used to throw all the singles out the window. You know, before Big Meach, all of them was existed. We was doing that way back in the kid, but we were just throwing away to kids in the neighborhood.

So you were richer than drug dealers. Well, yeah, because they had to sell, they had to buy the drugs and sell it. Yeah. All I had to do was go and get one bank. I'm getting $20,000. You know, to make $20,000, you got to sell these four keys. Right.

You know, I had the 280 bins at, I think I was 20, You know, and all the jury and nothing ever came from drug dealers, but everybody thought I was selling drugs. So my appetite, you know, and so go back to your question. So, yeah, I had them on the track. You're talking about two, three hundred hours a date, you know. I had them dating in a strip club. You know, I had them, you know, dancing for dollars.

That shit was no money for me, you know? So I had to come up, you know, with other ways to get bigger money, you know, because I was, It wasn't comfortable. It was like a demotion for me. But once I got a hold to that game, I knew that, you know, because I probably wouldn't continue to be a pimp. It was enough money in the pimp for me. Now, there were some other pimps that were getting money.

You know, they had six or seven white girls, and they were, you know, on escort services and stuff like that, you know, that was too much exposure to me, you know. I'm a real criminal, so I understand law. A real criminal understand the law. I know it's too much exposure in certain games. So it's too obvious if a black guy with a mink coat and a big mink hat is on a plane flying to Vegas with seven white hos, several white bitches. That's too hot for you.

And it all takes one, it's two of them a snitch on you, right? Right. So if you could- He forced me across day lines. So if you could take the criminality out of the game and still had the bitch is what I did. Yeah. You know, I had bitches that was just as bad as they. My business was just up under different instructions. They had different gain.

Right. And I was limiting my risk, right? Yeah. You know, but I know how to pimp on the hole. I know how to put a bitch on the track, you know. I know how to put my foot in the bitch ass if, you know, if that's what it takes. But I didn't have to do that because I had too much gain. Right.

You know, I had too much game. So you're making maybe like between, well, how long did it take you to work up to 16 hose? Let's talk about the hose for a second. That was when I was in the streets. Okay. Those were holes. So what happened was I had three holes. Then I ended up getting a hole for one of these famous pimps.

I don't want to say his name, but you know who he is. Everybody knows. So I got one. Magic Don Juan. No, not Don Juan. But I got one of the his holes. He was a white chick. So then I got, we was hanging out in Oskirts, Wisconsin.

So I got up to about six girls, right? Six or eight girls. So I went to Indianapolis. It was a hole named Sensation, you know. And Sensation was with another pimp who had seven other holes, right? So Sensation was the bottom bitch. She was the main bitch. So I ended up, she's seeing me because I was a real nice dresser, Johnny.

I had minks and, you know, I was just a real flashy. I was a ho's dream, just say that. You know what I'm saying? So the bitch knew out of mouth. that she liked my pimping. So she said, okay, I want to be with pimping Ken. They didn't call me Pimp and C. They called me Ken Ivy then. So she said, I want to be with Ken and Ivy's pimping.

And she said, she convinced all the holes to go with me. And that's how I got 16.D. We all went to the track in Washington, D.C. And, you know, it lasted. They eventually scattered, you know. But that's how I got to 16. I knocked the bottom out of a pimp. I got all this holes in one walk.

And is that dangerous? Like, are pimps? Will they come back and shoot you? No. Okay. The holes belong to the community. And the Pimp game, you know, a whole can choose another Pimp. Yeah.

Only thing, only requirement is that the Pimp got to call another Pimp and say, man, your bitch just chose me, right? And, you know, once she choose you, she got to give you a fee. So that's called a choosing feat. And then once you get a choosing fee, you call other Pimp and said, me, you can break the plate on that bitch. She don't eat there no more. She was some pimping, right? She ain't missing. She ain't missing.

She ain't missing. She ain't missing. And then once you break that down, then he know that. And then he'll be like, yeah, well, put the bitch back down. You know, put it back on the track so I can get action at it. Make sure that she didn't make a mad move. So you put it right back down. You put it right back of the streets.

And that's how the gang go. Wow. I mean, that's on some man shit. Yeah, that is very interesting. Why weren't you featured in the American Pimp documentary? You were in there? Yeah. Mr. I called Mr. I called Mr. I didn't call me Pimp.

Ah, that's how I overlooked you because that was a really... I had the white and pink suit on. Okay, that's it. That's it. You should have made more of an appearance there, but. But no, because I was under contract with A lot of people don't know the story. I was supposed to be the main character in the American Pimp. You know, the Hughes brothers, they wanted me to be the main character, but I had already

had a deal. See, I'm the only person in Pimp's Up, Hose, down, who had an actual deal with HBO. Because I brought them to my, at that time, I had a lot of real estate and I had a business, you know, downtown, the clothing store. So I brought them to Milwaukee because they was in Chicago and I was at a players ball. So I said, man, y'all want to talk to me,

come to Milwaukee. So when they got to Milwaukee, I got a deal. I said, I want more money than everybody. I said, I want credits on the film. And I said, I also want the movie to end with me. So that was my deal with HBO.

And that's what happened. If you go look at the movie, he ended with me. But then at the same time, Hughes was trying to steal the idea from Brent Owens, who was from HBO. because, you know, they overheard, you know, that he was doing this movie on these pimps, you know.

So they came and they tried to swoop in, and they tried to knock me from HBO. And I told him, I said, I already assigned the contract with these people, so I can't do it. And so they said, what can you do? I said, I can give you Pimp Snoopy. I said, I'm having a players ball in Milwaukee. Pimp Snoopy is going to be, I'm going to get him. I'm going to make him Pimp of the year. So they said, well, we love to film that.

So when they, Snokey getting the trophy, that's. That's me giving Snoopy the trophy, right? At the players' book, right? But, but, but, you know, I told him, I said, I don't want you all to fuck up when I got going on with HBO. So I was really under contract. Otherwise, I would have been, you know, featured in there. The main character.

Yeah, I spoke very minimum, and, you know, and, you know, that was to understand it. And, you know, of course, you know, I would have made a lot more money from the huge brother. But because, you know, I chose not to, you know, take a leader role in there, I wasn't able to get the kind of money that I should have.

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That takes a special kind of patience. I mean, I can barely be with one woman in a relationship. They drive me so crazy. So, I mean, truly, I think that is a skill to be able to manage that kind of estrogen. Like, what is the key? Well, the key is, you know. Like, if you take them to D.C.,

do you put them all up in a house? So what holds? The value proposition or the deal is that, look, the more holds we got, the more money we're going to have, the more we're going to be able to do. And to them, it's like being on a football team, you know. You know, and they feel like we for the outdo Bishop Don Juan. We feel to outdo Pimp Snoopy. We feel like outdo sugar-free, two shorts.

You know, we're going to be the main character at the players' ball this year. So everybody is with each other because it's a gang and it's a lifestyle. You know what I'm saying? So holes, they want to be with other holes because they feel that that's their definition of being with a real pimp. Yeah. He got 15 holes. He's the best pimp. He got six hos.

He's the best pimp. And then now here's where you got to come in. You got to manage these holes. You know what I'm saying? The way you manage them is, you know, you pit them against each other. You tell this whole, you're my best friend. You tell this whole you're my best friend. You tell I want you to be a little.

You're a spy folk. I want you to watch her. You watch her and you confuse them, right? Then, you know what I'm saying? Once you get them, then you send a hole over here, over there. And then you constantly, you know, playing games with them. You might be talking to this hole, and you're telling this hole like, yeah, I'm on the phone with your wife-in-law.

That's what they call it, the other holes, wife-in-law. I'm on the phone with your wife-in-law. This bitch just gave me $8,000. Hey, bitch, how much money you gave me? 8,000. Now you're playing psychology. Now she's hustling to try to compete with her. So you keep them in competition.

That's it. Right? And then some of them is crazy, so they want to fight, they want to argue, and you got to be able to fire her right in front of everybody. Like if I got a disgruntled girl, I got six girls, one get disgrunt to, I say, you're fired. That's the hardest thing to do because you couldn't, your money source, right? But you got to be able to fire. So it's all about, it's almost like in the animal kingdom. You know, everything is based on perception and fear and, you know, different things, right?

So, you know, you just have to master the environment. You got to, one thing about, the main thing about Piffin, is you got to always be desirable, you know. You got to always be the one thing that everybody wants. So all the holes got to want you simultaneously. And all of them got to be striving to be the bottom bitch. They all got to be competing, you know, like I'm going to give him more money than this other hole gave him. And then it becomes a challenge.

And you got to create that challenge and that psychology and that environment. And that's psychosis that, you know, hey, bitch, if you give me more money, this bitch, you go with my bottom bitch. You know, so that's the whole thing. And then, you know, the money part is the lease of it, right? It's more like the God-like feeling, right? You know, you control all these bitches. Everybody thinks it's about beating holes and all.

It's about being the alpha male. You know, you want to be like a god, you know, it's crazy. Yeah, it's a guy type thing. No, you're turning like the biology of man on his head because our male biology is to, we see a woman and we just want to have sex with her. And everything we do from these careers we try to make and the house we want to buy in the car,

it's all to attract a woman so we can have sex with her. But you're turning it on its head. It's like, no, no, no, she wants to be with me, she loves me, and she's going to pay for all this. That's fire. But, well, go, go, the, well, it's reversed. First game. Yeah.

So Goldie, he got some beautiful saying, take the pussy off the pedestal. Of course. Because here's the situation, Jaddy, right? So if I meet a pretty woman, right, and she come and she say, I'm going to fuck with you, right? And she knows that I'm sexually attracted to her, right? Every time I take her out to eat, she's going to try to paint me with pussy. Every time I take her to the movie, she's going to pay me with pussy. for her pussy.

They're talking about a Birkin bag or Gucci. She's going to pay me with pussy. But the minute she get upset, she's going to weaponize the pussy, right? And she's going to use it against me. So she's going to turn over to the other side of the bed and put her back towards me when I'm ready to really just have sex. I'm horny than the hony beat, right? And she's depriving me of sex because I allow pussy to be on the pedestal.

But when we take the pussy off the pedestal, right? You know, just like even in some certain, you know, in diplomacy, right? You hear in certain countries, you know, they say you got to just take certain things off the table, you know, and let's deal with each other squarely, right? You know, like in most African countries, you know, the problem with African countries dealing with America is that they don't do the same thing with China. China allows them to do business with them, but they don't give them no demands, you know, you don't have to be a democracy, you don't have to do this. Right. You know, so that's why China is able to do more business with different cousins. You know, America, you know, it's more of a peerism, colonial-type mentality.

Like, listen, you're going to do what we say. You can't sell to the China. I mean, to the Chinese or to the Russians, we got sanctions on. But the same thing with Cucci, right? You take all that off the pedestal, and she got to deal with you man-to-man-man-woman-in-moment metric as Goldie, like to say. Then the dynamics change because she don't have the one thing that's her most, valuable asset, which is her vagina, right? The power of the vagina is Ronnie Boe like to say, right?

Once you take that vagina out of the equation, that's like me and you talking, right? It's man to man. It's going to be woman and man. So now there's nothing inside of you that's going to say, oh, man, I can't wait to get in that coochie, right? And she can't say, oh, I can't wait to see what this package is like with that wood would look like. Now it's like two intelligent people have an intelligence dialogue.

Wow. It's almost like more respectful in a way. It makes two people be honest when they can just conquer their biology. It's actually in some kind of sick way it makes things more equitable. But of course, you know, these women, if we can just keep a reel about a lot of these women, they're sex addicts. I would assume they're love addicts. They didn't have males in their life.

Their dad ran away or beat them. And so what they're trying to do when they're competing to bring you the most money, it looks like they're they're competing for your affection, for your love, for your approval. Or to debase you. You know, debase me and tear you down. So most go back to, you know, the fallen man, what happened? The woman that you gave me deceived me.

She made me of this forbidden fruit. Right. I mean, marriage is a, it's a bad contract, you know, because what happens is, you know, if you buy a car, right, you get a deed, right? If you buy a house, you get a deed. If you buy a car, you get a registration, right? You marry a woman, you got a 50% contract. It's half and half. You know, so if you lead this woman, you got to give her half of the money, right?

Yeah. It's a bad contract. But women understand that dynamic. But if a whole bringing you money, you think that she's still trying to debase you? Yeah, the reason why she's debasing you because that is the, that's debate. The money's debate. How many pimps, you don't know the game, but I can tell you from a person to the game. A lot of pimps fall short.

They get with bad chicks and the chicks end up turn them into punks. You know, they end up making them into punks. They end up making them suckers, right? Right. They end up doing suckers shit because they fall in love with the bitch or, you know, they let the bitch. You know, a woman has, it's three things that you got to know about. IQ, intelligent quotient, EQ, emotional quotient, and ACU, adaptability quotient, right? Women are more higher in the emotional quotient than men.

Why? Because they have to be more emotional because they take care of what, crying babies. You know, they deal with the most excruciating pain in the world, you know, period. This episode is brought to you by Palm Olive. Family time isn't just the big moments. It's weeknight dinners. Sitting around the table, everyone talking all at once. So when the plates are empty and the sink is full, use Palm Olive Ultra.

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You know, women bleed five times a month and don't die. So they have more tolerance, you know, and more emotional stamina than men. That's why most psychiatrists say women are 70% emotion, 30% stability men, I have 30% stability and 30% emotion because he'd do the job. You know, he'll work. You know, he's a, he's stabilized his thing, right?

Well, women, they're too. So that's why I say he gave a woman to say they gave a skunk, a white striped belly for the funk. What's the most powerful thing about a skunk? Not his muscles or anything. It's, you know, it's funk. Right. So women, you know, they use their emotionalism to debase men to turn men down.

So you think when you think some of your, hose when they were bringing you money. We're really hoping, I'm going to marry this guy. Like, he's going to, I'm going to break him down. I'm going to make him choose just me at the end of all this.

What bitch on earth can love me that's selling her pussy to another man? What bitch on earth can love me that's dancing? She can't love me. If you love me, you would never, if you love me, you would never go out there and be with another man.

That's if you love me. So we understand that that's a myth. Ain't no love in the game. Love is like a four-letter word like fucking shit. So fuck that shit. You know what I'm saying? I don't subscribe to a whole love in the pimp.

And I don't subscribe to a pimp love it. If you love the bitch, why are you sending the bitch out there to sell a pussy? Why are you sitting over there and let Johnny fuck her for $500? You know, what kind of husband? What kind of man is you? So we understand early in the game that this is a game we play. And all the holes belong to the community. A bitch left for mama should lead you.

The book on what a bitch going to do haven't been written yet. You can't find a book on what the bitch going to do. bitch going to do. Whether she's square, whether she's a hole, you know, whether she's just a dyke bitch or whatever, the book on where the bitch going to do that has been written yet. And the irony about that is that most men don't understand that. She never let me. She left her mama. That was her first house, the pussy. You know, she was in her mama's pussy. All those love pussy. We all love It's going to be comfort pussy, right? That's our first nine months where we stay. So, so, so, so, so, so.

Man, that's such a hard, oh, it's not, I'm such a romantic, you know, I don't like to think about things that way. Do you think that your perceptions, jaded? Because now that you're, you're a legitimate business, you're a legitimate businessman, you're a worldly man, you're a well-traveled man. You've, you've been around, not just hood people, far from it. You've been around affluent people. You've been around white people, people that, people come from environments where, like, my parents have been in love, married for 50 years. Do you think that...

My father was married for years, too. Amazing, right. So do you think that your baby just dealing with a certain kind of traumatized woman that behaves and thinks of... See, they always say the women that were traumatic. I was raped at three years old by my babysitter.

You know, the lady who babysitting me. My mama left me in prison for six years with no visits. You know, I didn't have no visits from it, right? So I was traumatized. The first girlfriend I ever had, she ended up having sex with a 32-year-old man, man. And I caught them in band. So I was traumatized, too.

Right. You know, these men ain't just sending these women out here. We have problems, too. We have psychological problems. You know, a lot of men that's pimps, they have psychological problems. Right. You can't be sane and do what we do. Right.

You know, it's impossible. You know, because, like you said, the desistatized aspect of it, comes from, you know, you having, you know, zero sympathy for shit. Right. And it comes over a period of time. Then you have abandonment issues, right? Right. You know, you can't fall in love with a woman

because your mama abandoned you when she had a second child. Right. You know, all will use babies by Guy Guy Gagoo. Robert Green talks about the abandonment issues. You know, he talks about how, you know, when somebody get abandoned, you know, it's hard for them to get in a relationship and be with somebody because they don't want to suffer that abandonment.

Yes. You know, and then the females, when you think about a woman selling her pussy, if she get raped by uncle or by a pops or by a cousin or something, immediately she learned two things, that her pussy is valuable and that she had never going to have a virgin marriage. She would never get a cherry bust by somebody who she loved, right? Yeah, yeah. So she become desensitized, too.

So one was like, oh, girl, you know, remember so-and-so was in ninth grade versus, girl, he busts my cherry. Yeah. She ain't going to say, yeah, well, my uncle busts my cherry. My daddy busts my cherry. My brother busts my cherry, you know. And so most holes, if you notice, you know, they understand the value of their koochee. You know what I'm saying? That's why they charge for it because they know, you know, their uncle, they used to always be like,

he'll go, he'll $100. Don't tell your mama, you know, come on this room. with me, you know, all that shit they'd be doing, their little weird pedophile shit. You know, that shit, also, it creates two things. You know, it creates, you know, the first, and most women, they first orgasm is probably coming from somebody that they don't even know or somebody that, you know, that's not really their man. So they're already dealing with strangers.

Yeah. It's just they said, well, I already been violated, so I might as well get paid. and people don't realize the ineptness of that, you know. And they said, you can take every Pimp off the country, still going to be hoeing. Yeah. A lot of people say, she's being abused.

She's been human trafficking. But then the same girl get called two weeks later for prostitution, the Pimp is in jail. Right. You know, so it's like, it's all, they needed to take 100 psychiatrists and just dump it in the game and deal with all of us because we're all crazy. And that's really, I can't believe it's so great you said that.

So in a way, the Pimp, and the hoe are both victims. They both victims. I mean, I would say they trauma, you know. Yeah. They got post-traumatic stress disorder. They got post-traumatic skepticism disorder. Yeah.

The bitterness. That's a new one, right? The jadedness of life. Skepticism. Yeah. You know, paranoia. You know what I'm saying? All this shit is real.

You know, then, you know, I read about Vietnam. I wasn't old enough to go, but I read about it. And everybody that came back from Vietnam had problems. Right, had issues, damn there. What about in the black community, African-American community where you got young men killing each other every day?

The murder rate is all going on. Chicago. Every day is a shootout. So, they've got trauma too. That's traumatic too. So a lot of times, you know, we deal with the crime, but we don't never deal with the problem.

The problem is the environment, you know. And then, you know, women, right? And particularly black women, I want to use this as a, you know, a backdrop. So black women are 85% single parenting. Is that real? Like across the country? Yeah.

Oh, my God. Now check this out, Johnny, this is going to be alarming. If there's no father in the house, if, you know, the father's in jail through, you know, the crime bills are 94, everybody keep talking about, you know, Clinton's crime bill in 1994, where they locked up a lot of African-Americans. because of cracks, right? If all this is true, and 85% of the parents, you know, are mothers, single mothers,

then who's raising all the killers? The women. You have to have men in the household. Of course. You know, and I think the black men and the black woman have to come back together because if not, this debauchancy and this negativity is going to continue.

You know, the pimping, the horn, the drug dealing, you know, the ops and all that shit you see. It's going to continue because the, the father has an atom apple. The atom apple serves the same purpose as their roar of the lion. When a lion says, it scared the shit out of elephants and giraffes in the jungle. You know, it's not his teeth.

It's not his claw. It's his roar that scare other animals and make them fearful of him. Well, it's not your mother's commands. It's not your mother's de-man. There's not nothing that your mother say that makes you obedient. It's your father's atom apple.

When you hear that, male figure thing, even in the white families, your mother always say, every black, white, Chinese, any ethnic group, I'm going to tell your dad. That's it. You didn't want to hear that. You don't want to hear that. So the dead, the absence of the dead, that has a lot to do with the pimping and horn, too. Of course.

You know, all the killing and the drama, you know, molestation, you know, poverty, you know, it's a collage of things that create the pimp and the hope. It's not just, you know, say per se, I want to grow up and be a pimp. Now, you do have some idiots who say they want to be pimps and, you know, they want to get in the game. And, you know, I mean, if they got a basic education, you know, I urge all young men not to be pimps. And I denounce pimps up and hold down. And I denounce American pimp on your show because it really inspired a lot of young men. to become pimps. Yeah, I rap too. Raps a big thing.

Yeah, rap. Man, that's why I made most of my money from. On albums, I've been on 50-cent album, I'm talking about pimping, Louis John album, talking about pippin. Talking about pippin. I'm talking about pippin. Two or two shorts, five of Pimp C albums.

They all pay me to kick pimping, right? Because it's a fascinating thing that anybody can be a drug dealer in the hood. Anybody can, you know, rob people. To be a pimp, that is a special hustle. Right. And so I think that's why secretly everybody wants to have that Godlike power. But Johnny, it really ain't the pimp. You know what it really is?

Everybody wants to control the women. Of course. Most of us are punk-ass motherfuckers. And our women control us. You know, they control our purse strings, everything. And we some punks. You know, a lot of us are scary cats. You know what I'm saying?

And the women control us. The women control us. So the irony of that is that, you know, How do you control all those women? No matter who I talk to, I mean, I didn't talk to Fortune 500 people, all kind of people. They say, how do you control women? You know, my woman. And it's like a, it's like a group of people who hate that.

So a lot of men hate that they don't have control of that women, that women don't listen to them. Well, you're like, you're speaking, the way you talk about men and women and the psychology of it, it's now a whole industry online. They call it the Red Pill community or Andrew Tate or Dan Bolzarian. You know, these guys, it's all mainstream now. Andrew Tate always quote me in all this state. They use my book. My book is the book he recommends.

Yeah. But now it's like mainstream. It's like not, there's no stigma around like this mat push for like masculinity. But it was criminalized back then. You guys met a lot of money out of it, though. I want to, before we get out of here, I just want to go through your timeline again. And so you're in Milwaukee, you're pimping. What did you go to prison for?

Bank robbery. Okay. How long were you in there for? Well, I went two times. First time was three. Well, about a year in the boys reformatory school all together. I did three years in the state prison. Then I did five and a half in the feds.

All right. So that's all together by 10 years. Okay. And when you got out of the feds? This is from like 16 to, about 26 or 27. Okay. Consistently.

And when you came out of the feds, that's when you really put the pee down hard. You said, I'm going to be the best pimp. Yeah. So I got into the game, and I was winning, using the principles that I just talked to you about earlier. So when pimps up, hose down, came out. I made a deal with HBO that if they put their movie out, I'll put my movie out. So my movie PEP biology, which is they could watch for free on YouTube. All you got to do is go to PIPA.

podcast. They could watch it for free. So I made that movie, but I made millions of dollars off that project, right? What? Yeah, yeah, because it was on BETT. I had three different distribution deals. I had a scriptmaster just Mike Walker for Southern Midwesternship. So I made a lot of money because it was like the sequel to Pips Up Howsdown Part 2. And then I quit once I became famous.

I was at a Mike Tyson fight in 96. And a white dude came up when he was a police officer. He said, hey, Pippet Ken. I'm a police officer. I just want to take a picture with you. You know, that's scared of the mess out of me because I've been to fans. I've been to the joint before.

I said, oh, shit, man, they own me, right? And then everybody just wanted to take pictures. And my dad told me, said, man, you're a damn fool if you don't get out the game because everybody knows your name. So I just started getting to real estate. I started opening up daycares. And then I went from that,

and I started being the intro, ultra man, for all celebrities. I got on millions of records, over 80 million records, worked with 50 Cent, too. I'm in the P-I-M-P-V-V-V-D. That's me Piff and Ken said don't down the crown. I mean, Nelly's videos, all these videos.

So I became this iconic figure in hip-hop, right? Which really made me become a hip-hop head. And then so from there, you know, I end up owning my businesses. And I made a lot of money, you know, legitimately with daycares and stuff like that. And I had got called by a company by the name of Simon Shoots. Are you familiar with now? Of course. The publisher.

Simon Schutche gave me a quarter million dollars to do a book called Parology. Right. And so that was big for me. The first time they offered me $25,000. I said, that won't even pay for the front-end clip on the bins I'm driving right now. So Jeremy Stratis, who was my chief publisher, he called me back. You know, he gave me what I wanted, gave me the six figures. And then I wrote me another book called The Art of Human Chess.

I did that independent, made way more money. and that's how I got up on audio books. I went back to Simon Schuster. I tried to buy the rights for my audio back. And in the process that we did a deep, what they called a forensic account on my book, and they said I was in the red. I said, how the fuck is I'm in the red

when I saw millions of books for y'all, right? Everybody in prison bought my book, you know what I'm saying? It was on the list of books you could order in prison, so my book was the only black book, period. Oh, so that's selling like... Yeah, that was... Yeah, but for Simon & Schuster. So I went on YouTube or on Google.

I got me a contract. I put it out there. I put a lawyer's name on there, a white lawyer name on there. And I went to Simon Schuster. I said, I want to buy it back for $50,000. You know, and they would do. So what I did, I gave them a fake contract.

You know what I'm saying? It was a real contract. But in the contract it says that I will retain. my rights. You know, I will retain my rights. You know, or the money that would come from the sales of the existing book, which is typology,

would come from the royalties to $50,000. So I'm sitting there, I got a check. I got to check, the check says 50,000. I wrote $50,000 on it, flipped it, never signed it, you know. Signed the contract. We walked out of there, you know. Now own 100% wrong.

writes in my audio book and I didn't give nothing. If you go look at an audiobook, it says Ken Ivey, right? Is that okay that they know that, that we're talking about that? Well, you know, it's all cool because I end up working for them. I became partners. I'm a literary agent now. Since then, I signed Boosie to a book deal. I sign an ICT to the same company, which is Simon Schuster.

So, you know, I mean, when you think about it, you know what I'm saying? me, you know, it's like, you know, they respect me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're making them money now, too. Yeah, yeah. I mean, so you go from owning your rights, right, to your audiobook to working for or being a partner and signing two of the biggest guys in hip-hop to the company as they literally agent, you know.

And then I also got movies coming out called The Making of Autobiography. So now we're making the movie of the Making of a Voguegative. each book as well. So, you know, I mean, and Simon Shoots know all this stuff, you know, they love me, you know. Everybody loves you. I'm a businessman. I'm a business man. I love you. No, I'm a businessman. You know, Simon Schuster, they made a lot of money off me, man. You know, whatever I do, they ain't going to get mad because they, they know I made a lot of money for them. Do you think you made more money legit or in the pimp game? But, you know, doing a contract, Once somebody signed a contract, Johnny,

it don't make a difference how it pan out. The check wasn't the issue. The issue was the contract. They have to read the contract. You know what they told me? Read the contract. You know what it cost me all my money? I didn't understand what the word revert me.

So they said you would get 15% except for when it reverts to a paperback. So I would have been getting 10% of all the money that they made. So every time they make a million, I would have made $100,000. But once it went to paperback, it reverts to 5%. So you still got to pay for the manufacturing costs.

You got to pay for all these little hidden prices and stuff like that. And that was eating my money up, but I didn't make so much money off the audiobook now. How many copies are you selling? Man, Simon Shoots had to sell millions of copies. They're making a... Of pimpology. But yeah, but they don't give me no money.

So how... I get my money from the audio book. I own 100. They don't own nothing of the audio book. So how many audio, how much money do you think you made off the audiobook? Man, man, I deal with ACX. They probably, there's got to be at least access to a meal.

Wow. How much is each audiobook? It's, one is 14, and the other one is $6.99. So, and so the PIPBology helps my, my own book sale as well. Right, right. It pushes your brand. It pushes you. It pushes my brand because every time people go in Simon Shoots, of course, they're going to do, they do diligence because they're owned by CBS.

Yeah. So they could push the algorithms however they want to push it. And because I'm in my 29th printing, you know, I don't think, you know, too many people have been there 209 printing. You know, and the book is still relevant as it was when we first put it out in 07. You know, it's kind of benefit me as well. So I get to check every month from ACX or from, I guess you would say ACX would be Amazon. You know what I'm saying? I get a check for Amazon every, from Jeff Bezor every month.

That is incredible. That's incredible. It's so rare to get anybody to read anything nowadays. That's why I see Simon Schuster, they were slow. I understood, because I used to listen to, you know, thinking grow rich on audio. I understood that the culture was going to audio. But the greatest thing, if you ever look at my Instagram,

you're going to see something that in everyone in my post. Go to audio. dot com and get my new book or go get my book, Pepiology. Just type my name Pepper Kennedy searchbook because everybody on their phone. Yeah. So how many people going into, how many people going to the brick and motors? How many people go into books a million or burns and those? Only homeless people.

So I end up beating them at their own game, making more, even more money than that. Do you think you're mostly selling prison or selling books to people in prison? Yeah, yeah. No, I had the guy, the owner of L.A. fitness called me. I had accountants, a lot of lawyers, the king of, uh, uh, uh, what's the name in the African country? He paid me to come to Africa. Orini Faso? No, not, not, not, uh, Torei. This is, this was the Congo. I don't know. Idi Amin, Uganda, no. It's, it's like Cameroon. Cameroon. Gambia. The Republic of Gambia. He, he, he, he, uh, paid for my flight,

paid for three of the people that was with me, $5,000 flights. And the only reason why I couldn't go was because I had an issue that I couldn't make it there. But he paid for all that. It is all because he read Pryphology. You know, people from England, you know, college students. I'm going to tell you something, you know the number one book that they use to study the game in college? No, I like the attorneys, the district attorneys, and attorneys is my book.

Pimpology. Yeah, all attorneys, all of the district attorneys, they read their book. You mean like when they're trying to prosecute like pimps or something? Why would they read it? To learn the game. Expedia and visit Scotland invite you to come experience the beauty that awaits in Scotland. The sweep of wild coastlines, quiet locks and untamed landscapes. fresh cuisine that feels rooted in the land.

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But you've got to remember, this is honest to God true, Johnny. here I am. I'm at home. You know, I'm living in a $750 dollar house. You know, I got more cars than the NBA player, right? I'm living lavish, right? I'm chilling. I got legitimate business, you know, daycares, right?

You know, making a lot of money, legitimate money, you know, straight from the government, legit money. And somebody called me talking about they want me to write a book. Never wrote a book in my life. Just put yourself in this context. Never wrote a book in my life, right? I had no idea that this book was going to be as successful as it was. I wrote the book in 30 days.

Chapter a day. The only reason why I knew how to write the book in 30 years, because when I was in prison, I used to do Sunday school lessons for the prisoners. So I went to, took a couple prison cards. I took English 101, and English 101, and I understood the five paragraph form, you know. introduction, body, and conclusion. You know what I'm saying? And use stories as an example.

So I just followed that method, right? And they had a co-author named Karen Hunter. She couldn't even write them in the book. So they actually took 50% of her money back because I ended up writing a book. And, you know, I didn't know I can write that good. You know, I didn't even know that I can write. I didn't even know that I was an author. And then that went so well.

Then I wrote my other book. So it was a little bit more extensive. You know what I'm saying? I did a little bit more research. So I wrote my other book, The Art of Human Chess. It's like The Art of War. Now, here's the secret of my books. The 48 laws of gang, the 48 laws of power.

They're parrities. The art of war, the out of human chess. Right. So, you know, I use parodies and guess what? Most African-Americans don't know this. When you write a book and you African-American, they put you in the Chittling Circuit of Burns and Nobles. They put you in the back with by Luther King and Malcolm.

Right. When you say self-help, all my books are self-help. You get next to Kiyosaki. You get next to Robert Green. Tony Robbins. Tony Robbins. So that's why my book was so sell. A lot of white people would read my book because, you know, they don't know what

Pempology is. They don't know what the help. But, you know, my book is self-help. So I use a lot of the principles that I learn from, you know, Tony Roberts and Zig Ziglar. You know, I kind of wrote it for African Americans to understand it from their perspective. You know, like, man, listen, this is what Napoleon Hill meant, you know, by having but up to mind, believe, and conceive it can achieve. This is what he mean by persistence.

You know, this is what Sun Suf meant about, you know, if you go on right, go left. You know, a general usually win the battle before you go to the battlefield. You know, so I'm writing those principles about using, you know, folklore to communicate, right? And that's why they're so successful. So a white person that's an educator or that's educated, he can read my book, and it reads the same way, Robert Green. It reads the same way as the art of the art. But I'm just using ghetto folklore. Of course.

I'm not talking about Julius Caesar. I'm not talking about, you know, Theodosis. You know, I'm talking about, you know, pookie, you know what I'm saying, from the hood. Yeah. You know, I'm talking about, you know, dime wine. I'm talking about, you know, Pimp Snokey, you know, John Devine, J.D., you know, relative that's current in the society. Yeah.

But I'm using the same principles, you know. Yeah. And, you know, that's one thing. My car commercial level is on 10. And then, so lastly, I'll talk about this. So all of that, right, you know, the roles that you take to get to your destiny is not the one to get you there. It's your detours. So all of that, right, if you put me in a crystal ball when I was pimping like a motherfucker,

and you had told me I would be the founder of the hip-hop fraternity, right, which we have 40,000 members, 23,000 registered members that you can see. Go on the site, hfmedia.com, you can see. We actually have that many members that should actually register, you know. And I have over 100 executives. I have 39 CEOs of my company. I had told you, man, you're crazy the motherfucker. I'm not going to be around all these people.

I'm going to be around some hos and some pimps all my life. I'm going to be the biggest pimp to ever live. I'm going to be living somewhere in Tahiti with fishes flies through my legs. This is what my perception was. That was your dream. But see, God, the steps of a good man, I ordered by God. See, man have plans, but God is the best of the plan, right? Right.

So God has something different for me. And everything I was going through the holes, you know, holes leaving me. It prepared me for being in a situation where you have an organization where people leave all the time. Of course. You know, people start at your feet, end up at your throat. Yeah, and there's disappointments. Like, people have to learn how to business is not all smooth, man. It's really difficult sometimes.

Prepare me for that, right? Right. You know, being in prison, you know. being in the debate groups in prison, you know, it taught me how to be, you know, get into dialectics and how to debate. And it also taught me, you know, how to deal with people that was Machiavellian, you know, the most conniving and the most deceptive people in prison. Right.

You know, these motherfuckers are cold. They're not, you know, they're politicians. So that taught me that. And then, you know, also all of the negativity that I did, right. I realize it's being a player, being, you know, ganged up. I realize there's only one way to deal with people, and that's with no gain. So in my organization, our policy is no gain. We don't charge nobody to get in.

I don't charge nobody to perform. We feed everybody for free. We just gave $40,000 worth of Christmas toys to all the people in Atlanta that couldn't afford it. We fed Artis, our shelf fed 5,000 people in Michigan, you know, gourmet-type food, you know. I mean, steaks and shrimp. You know, it's a young lady, her name, Chavon. She, Chavon Williams, I believe. Her brother got killed, and he got killed by the paramedics

because the paramedics didn't have the equipment. So he was dying from oxygen, right? He had, he's asthmatic. So they could afford the lawyer, or I don't know if they could afford it, but I allow one of my lawyers to represent them for free Michael Harper, he has Harper law firm. So we gave them free. So all the stuff that I was doing

create the remorse, right? Right. So I used to be, I don't give a fuck, I had no hard, no sympathy. Now I'm the most loving person in the world. Right. Okay, so let me ask you about that because you have a son,

you have a grown son. And daughters. How many daughters do you have? I got four daughters and I got my kids all together. Oh my God. You really are kind of like an African. King, you know? I got two sons. My son, one of my sons, he's an actor in Hollywood. Okay. Yeah. So you've got 11 kids?

11 kids. Wow. Well, I mean nine. Okay, nine kids. But a couple of them, you know, it's just like I raised. Three of them I just raised. Six is actually mine. Okay. But you got a shitload of kids. Are you married? You know, I don't discuss my personal life. Well, but I'm just curious about that because you went from this cold-hearted pimp, always mind-control, always on 10, always playing the game, to now no games, has that softened and warmed your heart towards a relationship

and towards being with a woman? Has it made you love women and appreciate women more now that you're not in the pimps game? Well, I tell you about the love, right? The love came when I had my daughter. So my daughter, when I had my first daughter, I was 31, her name Kiki. That's my first experience of love.

So my kids is who I love. You know, women, you know, you deal with women accordingly, right? Because even somebody who ain't never pimped or never had a whole in their life, you know. I mean, what's the number one reason of marriage? Have kids. No. Well, I mean, what's the number, okay, have kids and have a family, right? What's the number one cause a divorce?

Kids. Marriage. Yeah. Think about it. You know what I'm saying? Look at you. You got to laugh. Oh, my God.

You're like cat in the hat, dude. These riddles. Yeah. No, seriously. So, you know, I mean, you know, I think I love myself. You know, I think I love my children because they're 50% of me, right? So that is myself. You know, I try to leave it at that, right?

But do you want your daughter? This is a perfect opportunity to challenge you a little bit. Are your daughter's married? No. Do you want, would you like to see them, because these are your baby girls, the most precious things in the world, would you like to see them married to a good man, a faithful man, a man that's going to take care of them and have them be together for the rest of their lives? I'm going to tell you a secret.

My kids never seen me as Pimp and Ken. They only know me as the provider, you know, bringing them toys and, you know, school, and all that. So they think I'm somebody else. But I'm asking you what you think about, like, what you want your daughters, how you want them to end up married with a faithful man? Oh, yeah, yeah. I want whatever they want.

You know, I want my daughters to be, you know, my, actually my daughters all along went to college. I've got one daughter with a master's degree. So my daughters is extremely educated, but they get mad when I talk about them. So, like, I just put it like this, my daughters is really insubes. some good relationships, you know, with some very affluent men. And they're not tricks. So, you know, I try not to, you know, the last time I said something about my daughter's

she got extremely mad with me because she, the people that they deal with is like, you know, they worth like seven, eight figures, you know. Right. But so it is possible to not be a trick, to be a man. I think what people want to hear from you. And I certainly want to, even if it's not realistic, is, is it possible for a man, to get married and still be masculine, not be a trick, but not have to play the game with his wife.

I encourage people to get marriage. And I encourage, you know, I teach a lot of classes on relationships. You know, if you go to my podcast, on my podcast, I talk about how to deal with women and how, you know, I mean, see, one of the things that a man can benefit from a woman. First of all, you got to take the sex off the pedestal. Thirdly, you got to have education. You know what I'm saying?

You got to have some type of thing going on whether it's money, education. And generally, you want to marry a woman that's pretty much younger than you. A woman needs to look up to a man. Yeah. You know, so there are tactics that I use. Now, describe women that if I deal with them, they love me because, you know, I'm a gentleman first. You know what I'm saying? I'm not even if you go back into my pimp game, you see me evolve to the point where,

you know, it was just me and the bras getting money, right? It wasn't them in a bunch of tricks. You know what I'm saying? These bras were actually living well. You know, probably out of all the women that I did with, you know, all of them are still doing good. Really? Because the game that I gave, and they merged older women.

So they, because most prostitutes end up on drugs, all messed up, dead. My son, my son-mother was from the game. Really? But she, but she- Oh, she won. She won. Yeah, his mama is like, she got our own businesses. She, you know, she into nursing.

She's getting a lot of money. Wow. You know what I'm saying? So his mama doing really well. And then a lot of the other girls, you know, that I dealt with, they're doing really well. Because I was not the drug dude or the, you know, I was a different type of dude, Johnny. I was like more, I mean, if you would say a relationship, I think our relationships were the best.

You know, we went to Hawaii. We did the Bahamas, you know. We all would dress up, you know. We would go to the most expensive restaurants. So all the stuff that people think about the pimp, take that out your mind. That ain't how to gain gold. Those people that you're seeing are probably drug addicts. If somebody get high, then they're going to be very, if you look at me,

the Iceberg Slam. He was trying to get a fix. That's it. You know what I'm saying? I think Malcolm X, when he was talking about being abusive, He was on cocaine at that time. You know, that's not my reality. You know, that's not a lot of my partner's reality.

Do you think you made more money in the Pimp game or in the legal world? I have an organization called a hip-hop fraternity. Right? We have multiple people. You know, I-T just came in. He got $2 million with equity in my company. A lot of investors come in, right? You know, legal money is.

It's better. Squares have more fun. You say, well, prove it. Look at Oprah. Look at Talapair. Look at Jay-Z. They ain't looking over their back. They're driving Bugatti's. They're living in a hundred million-dollar houses and stuff like that.

Look at Donald Trump. You know, look at all the people that's successful in this world. You know, look at Larry Fink, you know. Look at Larry Ellison. Look at the deal. Mr. Dale. These people are living extremely well. Bill Gates.

Right. squares and suckers, right? But they're doing way better than us. You know, when you really want to be Bill Gates or you want to be yourself, you know what I mean? Come on, be real with yourself. You want to be Bill Gates. You would have better to be worth for $150 billion. You could change, that's life-changing money.

You can change your whole family with that money. Yeah, but I want to be me, though. I don't want to be Bill Gates with his man-in- I'm just hyperthetically speaking, you know, from the square. So what do you think, though? You think you made more money in the game or in the game now? I made more money legit. Yeah, not even close, right?

It's not even a close second because, you know, even when you make your money, you still got to buy $100,000 cars. You got to buy Rolexes. You got to buy suits every day. You're being a trick. So you're a tricking your money off to Jacob. You're tricking your money off to Louis Vuitton. You're tricking your money off to Gucci.

But you say there's hell of a pimp, and you got these holes, and you think you're manipulating these holes against the money, but you're being manipulated by the system. My daddy call them the Joneses. You got to keep over the Joneses. You know what I'm saying? So you're going in the hole. So guess what?

99.9% of the Pipsin, they don't have nothing because they made bad investments. Because they made bad investments. Nobody got away any of the money. That's why I got out the game over 30, almost 20 years ago. And here it is, you know, 2006, I'm still relevant. Yeah. You know, when I went on the breakfast club, I went on the breakfast club. My first name was Pippen.

My last name was Ken. My first name was Ken. My last, Peppa, Ken. So I was able to still go on there as the person that was the former person, right? Yeah. But people respect me, you know, Charlemagne and all of them respect me. You know, when I went on drink chumps, they still respected me as the guy that I went on Real Life Street Star. No jumper.

All those people. They still respected me as Pepi Kemp and Ken. But I ain't had a hole in who knows when. I ain't got a picture of a bitch. Right. You know what I can't even throw a rice in the Chinese way. I can't bust a grape and welches back yard. I don't have a picture of a bitch, you know,

but I'm living better than these guys, you know. I dress better than them. I still got on my teeth. You know, I mean, you know. It's not how much money you make. It's how much money you keep. That's an expensive. It's an expensive.

It's an extremely expensive. You know, so I say all that to say this, that, you know, wherever you go, you take yourself with you, you know. And even with the hip-hop fraternity, you know, I had to step down. I gave up all the positions. I'm not the CEO. I'm not nothing.

I'm the founder, right? Because of the stereotypical mentality of people, people so shallow, they say, he's a pimp, he's pimping this, he's doing that. So I had to put, you know, people like Jane, C.B. Gray, Ms. Contrice, and Ms. Oshah, Casseberry, and leadership roles.

These are all squares. These are all people that, you know, politicians, you know, Ms. Couserberry, She used to be the national advisor, security advisor for Kamala Harris. She's been on every news outlet you. But, you know, I understand my position. And I got to be a ghost. I got to play the background.

You know, I can't be out there like I used to be. And, you know, that was one of the kickbacks of being a pimp. You know, here I am, this highly intelligent man, you know, that have a fortune 500 company, you know, that deal with all type of business people. but I have to be anonymous at my own company because of the mistakes that I've made. So there's still a stigma around it,

even after all these years? I would never get rid of it. People said, why do you still call yourself Pippie Kent if you feel it's a stigma? I said, because I'm pimping Kinn. I'm pimping me now. You know what I'm saying? People, when I put that twist on, they say, oh, okay.

And I said, well, you know, I said, why is Coca-Cola still calling itself Coca-Cola? Because if HBO put you out there to a billion people and you can make money, you'll be a damn food to abandon that brand. Of course. You know. Damn food.

But if the brand is detrimental to the organization, to the hip-hop fraternity, which is the fraternity with the 40,000 people, then it's only appropriate for me to step down and put other people in key positions and let them run it, you know. Right. And just basically be an advisor and get my advice. But God gave me the wisdom, the former organization, you know, the leadership skills, to put all those many people together.

to come up with the concept for, you know, the magazine for the H.H.H.F. Social. Mead, first-ever social. It's going to be on all of the apps. It's going to be called H.H.F. Social. I got there from Donald Trump. He said, true social. So I said H.H.H.F. Social. So I ain't going to lie. Donald Trump gave me some game. He gave some game. We liked him back then when he gave game. Yeah. I got to keep it real with him. You know what I'm saying? I mean, keep it real with everybody.

You know, I learn from everybody, you know. Well, there's no one like you, Pimp and Ken. Thank you. You know, I never thought I'd be able to sit down with cats like you. I didn't think this podcast was going to become what it was. You know, I was just. I saw you. I saw that.

Man, you saw me out. Yeah, I saw you. I said, man, this dude, I was looking at your podcast, Johnny. I was like, man, I like that dude, man. He's so cool. You know, I just like, you know. That's high praise, man. You're the coolest guy ever.

I mean, you know, a lot of people understand street life, right? So we got colds and, you know, it's like in business, right, it's certain codes, you know, it's cold language. And I just, I said this man know the code language of the street and I was just, you know, I was like, man, I like this to do. You know what I'm saying? I said, man, I got to work with them. Well, I'm glad we hooked up. I want everybody to go. I mean, I'm going to go by Pimpology.

I like to read still. But if you listen to audiobooks, go get it. it, the bestseller, maybe the bestselling, if we can call it a hood book of all time in America, probably up there with Iceberg Slim's book. What's it called again? Pempt the story of my life. Yeah, yeah. That was the big one.

But, I mean, it's unbelievable that you've lasted this long. You're not doing life in prison. I mean, it's, you beat the odds in a big way. I like to call you the Russell Simmons, that you're a new and improved Russell meets... I got to use one of your lines. I don't want to be Bill Gates. I'm Ken Ivy. Ken Ivy, man.

Yeah, I'm kidding. Hey, Russell Simmons, let's be, what I'm doing to hip hop, Jay-Z, Russell Simmons, Steve Stout, baby from Cash Money. Neither one have never did it. Because, see, all of them had Rockefeller. They had cash money. they had crews. I have an organization. No one has ever unified hip hop. I'm the first one to ever do this. I'm the first guy in the history have created the ecosystem where you can come from all aspects and be integrated into the whole ecosystem of hip hop, you know, and I did

it on a donut budget. You know, I don't have the billions of dollars of Jay-Z. I don't have the connections of these guys. But one thing I do have, I have intuition, and I have stuff. I study Mark Zuckerberg, you know, how he created Facebook and how he created, how he bought Instagram. I study, you know, Larry Fink. You know, I study Donnie Jammer. Jamie Diamond. Yeah, Jamie Diamond, excuse me.

And all these different corporations, you know, Robert Smith, you know, just all of the greats, you know, Magic Johnson. And I looked at their business models, right? You know, I study, people don't believe it, I study foreign affairs. You know, I study all governments. Like you said, Burkina Foss, I was tripping because I understand about the Sahel states. And, you know, I study China. I study India.

You know, I study the Venezuela situation. I study, you know, all the different countries around that. And, you know, and the different economies, the GDPs and stuff like that. How China became China. I studied because I'm a chess player, right? And I'm writing a book. I don't want to say it right now because people still ideas. But the book, I give you example.

It's about every successful man and how they became successful. And I did the same thing that Napoleon Hill did. But what I did, I extrapolate a character out of each one of these individuals and gave it a title, whether it was desire. whether it was ambition, you know, whether it was consistency. You know, because each one of those characters, whether it was Vanguard, whether it was Carnegie, you know, whether it was Rupert Murdoch, all of them have a certain attribute by themselves that create the system. And if you can take all those attributes and put them in book form,

as the gentleman Napoleon Hill did, and regurgitate that, you know, in book form, then you can get a real success manual on how may it become successful. And that's just something that's been a science project. And I've been doing it for about eight years now, but thank God for AI now. So I want to save a lot of money. And I've been dumping it into the AI and telling the AI, this is what I want you to figure out. And so now the book is going to probably be, it probably would have took me about two more years, but it'll probably be out within the next six or seven months.

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So go tell people where they can tell people that follow you on social. Obviously, go get Pimpology, get familiar with him and with the bestseller. Where can people find you online? Okay. If you old school, go to Amazon.com, Target.com, Walmart.com, books a million. com, burns and novels. dot com and get the hardcover or or lulu.com.

Please go to lulu.com. They pay me directly. I get 60% for that. So if you go to lulu.com, you want to get the paperback for the Art of Human Chess. Just go in there and type of my name, Pipp and Kinn. But if you don't have time for that, you're a truck driver or you're a type of person that just like to listen to books and do, you know, and stroll through Instagram. Go to audible.

com. Type of my name, Pipp and Ken. in the search box. And both of the books will come up and you can order them. And we got free trials. So the first 30 days, you can listen to them

and you can try them for 30 days if you like them. Then you can buy the book. And it's your voice, right? You're reading your book. No, I hire a gentleman to do it because I tried it. Johnny, that shit is hard.

It's harder than it seems, right? Man, listen, I'm a hell of a reader. But, you know, I messed up so many times. I just went on ACX allowed you to a higher producer. Oh, yeah. I forget the gentleman name, man, it's crazy. But he did such a marvelous job. And he's a hell of a readd.

If you go to Ida. It was Farrakhan. Idle.com. No, hell no. That's my man, though. I love Farrakhan. Idle. Dot com is, you know, they got producers, right?

Yep. And you can order a producer from there. Oh, wow. Yeah, for like about $500 and $600 and read the entire book. And they're very professional. Yeah. Because you can't breathe. You know, if you breathe, you can hear.

Yeah, of course. Man, I did the audio, man. When I got through this and that thing, man, you can hear me breathing through the mic. I said, I can't do this. They didn't want me to do it over. I'm not doing it over. You know, I said, I'm just going to pay somebody to do it. Yeah, but so that's how they can get the book.

And if they want to join the hip hop fraternity for free, just go to hHFmedia.com. It's free. You know, it's thousands of people. We've got everything in the Instagram. You can profile, you can DM people, you can put your pictures up, you can put your music up. And also, you know, if they want to check back in about a month,

you can go to HHF social on the app store and get the app. Now, the app does everything their Instagram. They said, don't hate, imitate. So we imitate it. Instagram, but we have certain functionalities for the music people. So if you want to put your music on there,

you can upload your music to the app, and you can hit a button and it take them over to a landing page, which would be your catalog, and they can purchase your music. And we pay a thousand percent more than any streaming company. Wow.

You know, we pay a whole dollar. Streaming company, pay zero, 0.5%. That means everything you're selling a million records, you only get in 5,000. Wow. That could change the game. That's a disruptor, for sure. That's why I said, you know, I moved out of a fortune. I study, you know, all of the big corporations, you know.

That's it. We're a C-Corps. Mm-hmm. You know, so a C-corps allow you to print your own money to negotiate for instruments. So I can print stock. So we got a million stock at a $100 private. So my company got a capitalization of $100 million.

So if we sell out tomorrow, I can print up another million stock. And then eventually we can do an IPO. That's the goal. Yeah, yeah. And then, you know, but in between that, then it's also a negotiable instrument because, you know, I could do with vitamin water deal with 50. You know, I can partner with people like yourself and, you know, iced tea and give stock options.

you know, in exchange for, you know, us doing business, you know. I mean, you might, you know, it might be turned out very lucrative for you. Yeah. Yeah. What a remarkable individual, Pimp and Ken Ivy. Thank you again, sir. You want to stick around for a quick bonus episode? We can get your son in. Yeah.

Yeah, because there's some questions that I still have. Yeah, really honored to sit down with you, sir. Thank you, guys. We'll see you over at Patreon. Patreon.com slash The Connect Show with more of the legendary, the American hero. Pimp and Ken. Take care, guys. Did you know if your windows are bare, indoor temperatures can go up 20 degrees? Turn the temperature down with blinds.com

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