The Connect- with Johnny Mitchell - California's Most SAVAGE Prison Gang: A Shot Caller Exposes His Life BANGING For NUESTRA FAMILIA

Episode Date: January 11, 2026

In this episode, Johnny sits down with Luis “Spider” Gutierrez, a longtime Northern California gang figure and former leader within the Norteño structure, to tell one of the most intense and unfiltered prison stories ever shared on the podcast. Raised in Salinas, California—one of the most gang-impacted cities in the state—Spider was convicted of attempted murder and sentenced to decades in California’s most violent Level IV prison yards. What followed was nearly 20 years of nonstop war behind the walls: mass riots, stabbings, political power struggles, and surviving situations most inmates don’t live to talk about. Spider breaks down: -What it’s really like to enter prison already marked for war -How Northern California gang politics actually function on the yards -100-man riots, organized violence, and surviving multiple gunshot wounds -The reality of loyalty, reputation, and respect inside high-security prisons -Why he never dropped out—and how he eventually made it home alive This is not a glamorized story. It’s raw, graphic, and brutally honest—told by someone who lived every second of it and is still dealing with the aftermath today. Go Support Spider! IG: https://www.instagram.com/level4fitnessnorcal/ This Episode Is #Sponsored By The Following: Hims! To get simple, online access to personalized, affordable care for ED, Hair Loss, Weight Loss, and more, visit https://hims.com/CONNECT Mando! Control Body Odor ANYWHERE with @shop.mando and get $5 off off your Starter Pack (that’s over 40% off) with promo code MITCHELL at Mandopodcast.com/MITCHELL! #mandopod PrizePicks! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/CONNECT and use code CONNECT and get $50 in lineups when you play your first $5 lineup! Join The Patreon For Bonus Content! https://www.patreon.com/theconnectshow 00:00 Intro: Meet Spider - Notorious Prisoner 02:30 Life in Salinas: Growing Up in the Gang Epicenter 10:00 From Athlete to Gangster: What Drew Me to the Streets 14:30 Joining and Rising in Nuestra Familia 19:00 Attempted Murders and Sentencing: My Case 25:30 This Episode Is Sponsored By HIMS! 27:27 Walking Into War: Reception to First Riots 32:00 Yard Wars & Violence: Surviving and Fighting in Prison 39:30 Seven Years of War: Northern Politics & Respect 49:00 Major Riot: 4 Against 100+ and Getting Shot 52:24 This Episode Is Sponsored By Mando and PrizePicks! 55:10 Cell Phone, Smuggling & Making Money Inside 01:07:00 Staff Relations: Manipulating and Networking with COs 01:15:30 Contraband Hustles: Drugs, Phones & Profits 01:22:00 Running Salinas Valley: Power, Status & More Riots 01:33:00 Stabbings, Politics & Staying Alive 01:44:30 Infamy and Respect: Becoming the Northern Spartan 01:53:00 Stabbing My Cellmate: The Story Behind It 02:09:00 Hole, SHU, and Working the Politics 02:18:00 The End of the Stretch: Getting Released & Reflections 02:26:00 Aftermath: Returning Home, Living Free, and Closing Thoughts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I did this for glory. Every prison I landed on was war. That second riot was chaos, but it was organized chaos. We're at war, I mean, you know what you got to do. My guest this week is Luis Gietierrez, aka Spider. a Noestra Familia gang leader with the craziest prison story I have ever heard. Spider is from Salinas, California, one of the most gang-ridden cities in America and headquarters of Noestra Familia, the strongest Latino crime organization in California.

Spider was convicted of attempted murder and served 18 years on level four prison yards all over the state. The stories you were about to hear are some of the rarest to ever be told by a gang member who served that kind of hard time. I'm talking 100-man riots, brutal stabbings, drug and cell phone smuggling on an enormous scale, and unlike most gang leaders, Spider never dropped out. He stayed loyal until the end of his stretch. These days, he's no longer active, but Spider is still respected as a veterano by noestra familia and the entire Norteño movement throughout Northern California. Check him out on social media, and make sure to drop a like and a comment on this episode.

You're going to love it. And for more of the craziest, most hilarious prison stories you've ever heard, check out the bonus episode with Spider at patreon.com slash the Connect show. Orole Holmes, buckle up the Vato Loco himself, Spider, right here on The Connect with Johnny Mitchell. My first yard was a seven-year right with the whites, and I stopped my cellie and shit this happened. Seven-year war. War. War.

Yeah, lockdown war in Sinz Valley. Wow. So, I mean, there's no rehabilitation. There's no even attempt to do anything besides go to war. So in my story, I wrote, I wanted to show you a few chapters because I got some people I'm working with now. Warner Brothers, Blair Media. Yeah.

They're like, they're taking me out, whining and dining and looking at my story, turning into a script maybe. So, like, like you said, whoa, we weren't expecting this. Yeah. I showed up to the box seats at the Niners game to meet a producer. and I came with successful people and I'm like, who's that guy? I'm a little gay.

I get that a lot and he's all, that's a spider. And he's like, holy shit. Let me hear your story. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. I get that a lot.

You don't look the type. Yeah. I'm, you know, take my shirt off. I don't, I'm not tatted up. I know where I'm from. Yeah. But I made a conscious choice not to get tatted up. when you went to prison

people were getting hip I seen a guy lose his leg for gangrene I didn't see it it happens I seen a guy

get a tattoo right here and it got infected and it looked disgusting yeah and plus I was single cell remember well part of my story

is I stabbed my cellie and that is open it was cool after that so it was like cool no cellies after that You said a story one time. He's like, I don't mind being in the cell. I'm going to go play with myself.

And that's how it is. Yeah. But I lived in myself for years. After you stabbed the cellie, they didn't give you any more roommates. For a while, they labeled me as a violent predator. Cool. And it worked out with my favor. Yeah.

Because, you know, you have a cellie, you don't have to smell this shit. I know. If he has a wife, he's tripping off for kids, if he has two years, 10 years, 20 years, he's stressing. Plus, you live in 8 by 6, less than 35 feet, unencumbered, space. Yeah. So do the math. Yeah.

Like the size of this table right here is about half the size of a prison cell. California, this is, this is the space alone. This is more than what we have. Remember, yeah, two bunks, metal lockers. I have all schematic. I have pictures of all that. Still, to my buddies, send me pictures of. Yeah.

Like, you're a Northeño. Yeah. You're a northerner. I mean, people think about a Latino gangbanger from California and they think about a dude from South Central. Florentica, he's got tattoos on his neck, he's short, he's darker, perhaps. You're from a different universe, Northern California, Salinas. Why is gangbanging from that valley, the Salinas Valley that's home to farmers and

John Steinbeck and, you know, immigrants from all over the country who came there? I'll tell you. Why do gangbanging, why does it persist the way it does? So you got to understand. Soled that opened up, I believe, in 47 or 57. And when that prison opened up, you got to understand. Mom, dad, sister, and brother would migrate where their loved ones are at. So they would set up shot in that surrounding community.

Think about it. Corcoran, all these prison towns have Southerners, blacks. Because if their dad's doing 10 years, you know, the wife's going to follow and be a loyal wife. You know, and they're going to have some type of relationship with their kids. which is good. Not everybody does that. So when they would come to Salinas, think about it. We have a prison in our backyard.

We have two prisons. We have a level four, 96 was built in Sines Valley, and we have Slaughter Dad. And then more importantly, we are the sellable of the world. Our produce is in over 100 countries, literally. So people migrate to Salinas to do the fields. And a lot of these guys are from L.A., Mexico, Texas.

And, you know, out of a thousand, you got a couple of Southerners. So they bring their shit over here. and, you know, they think they could wear a blue hat. And I'm not advocating, hey, this is how I am, but this is how it is. Yeah. Like, they wear a blue hat and they get shot. And the next guy tries to come.

He brings two brothers and one cousin, and that's five people. Right. They're encroaching on Northern land. And I could say strongly out of all communities, my town don't play. Yeah. Like, we are the citadel, the West Coast gang culture for a fact. For a fact. It's a fact.

And your grandparents migrated there to work in the cabbage fields, as you said. Exactly. My grandpa and grandma came from Texas working out there, followed the harvest. Sins Valley is the most dountiful valley, 90 miles long, 50 miles wide. It's unbelievable. It's gorgeous. Gorgeous.

Fifteen minutes away. Like I wrote a story and I hate it. Like I said, I want to show you some work I did, but this guy read it. And he was like, bro, I need to see this in the movie. And the children of your... your grandparents were the ones that said, fuck working in the fields, I'm going to go to the streets.

None of my uncles, none of my aunts, worked in the fields. My grandpa was in the war, military guy, came back home, became a carpenter, my grandma was a nurse for 40 plus years.

All my aunts and uncles were born in since. Yeah. And they all, I had to say, all my uncles died. They were all home boys, you know? Yeah.

They died by the cause, old age. some shit. In prison? They all made home. Okay. They all made home. My uncle got out and out of prison, new Folsom back in the day, and he was dead two days later to kill them.

Wow. Politics. Street politics. Southern Northern War. That's one was like. Now, were your uncles, when did La Nuestra Familia, the Northerners, when did they become officially a click? What year? What era?

The inception, the date is 1968. It's a prominent day. It's well known. September 16. No, there's meaning behind all that. But after that time period, like I said, Salinas is and will forever be, like I said, it is the source of power, the source of prestige. And we are the, like I said, the citadel of northern culture for so many reasons. We are the vanguard.

Our towns right here. And, you know, we're just a couple miles from south. Think about it. Bakersfield's an hour away, hour and a half. So like I said, everybody coming in, the influx of labors, day labors, people working in the fields, and you have two prisons in our backyard. Where are those people going to live at? They're going to go to Salinas, Soledad, and their little sons and cousins are Southerners, Crips, Bloods, and they're going to do their shit. I respect it.

You know, they, I'm from Southern LA. Well, welcome Northern California. This is the worst place to be. And that's where the beef starts is when the children of people that immigrate there from the south. You got to understand. Some people, when I was out there, we had, we had whites living in our neighborhood. They were from, I forgot, Santer Cruz maybe, but her husband was in prison. So when he got out, you know, they moved into our neighborhood.

It was cool. Whites are cool with us. But then again, like, he would tell us, hey, man, where I'm from, different. Like, we're a small community. We're a world-closed-knit. Like, if something happens, there's so many people that could, reach out and assist anybody. If I'm at a bar,

amen, I'm here at a bar stuck with, you know, by myself and there's some, some rivals. Someone's going to pull up or someone's already there. I'm trying to, our town is the L.A.,

but just add the red. We are, that's a fact. We are more dangerous than L.A. That's a fact. We are 91% more dangerous, more violent than any city, any town in America.

Think about that. For capital, yeah. We are 170, in population. Sacramento is probably half a million. San Jose's a million. Merced. Stockton's bigger than that. Everybody's bigger than us. But they're not bigger than us in crime. But you guys got thousands of gangbangers in a city of 170,000. Your grandma's a gangbanger. Your uncle's part thug. If you're from that soil, spring weekends are all about family, sunshine, and evenings on the patio. Before everyone

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gangster in her DNA. Like, my mom's from the neighborhood. She don't look like it, she's not like it, but she was originally from the block. Grew up there. She didn't bang it like that. So, all my uncles, my grandma from the neighborhood, we still have the same house in the neighborhood.

And, like I said, growing up, I wasn't supposed to be a homeboy. Like, I was supposed to be different. I excelled. I was a badass. in sports. Like, like,

that's the only thing that hurts me. When I talk about my past, I know I could have been playing Division I one somewhere. You know, I had all that, like I said,

when you read my story, like, holy fuck, this guy was a badass athlete. Oh, yeah, you built like one. Yeah, I'm 47.

I'm older than most people, but I know I look different. I got great genes. My grandpa was a beast. I just have discipline. I have commitment. I'm raising two kids that I want to see in 30 years.

I started late in life. Yeah. So I got my, my twin. he's seven. He's going to turn eight and I have a beautiful daughter, colored eyes, so do the math. I'm trying to be here for her. I'm their front line of defense.

I'm their parent. I'm their gardener. I'm their chauffeur. I'm her doctor. I'm everything in their life. And I still want to be here 30 years, 40 years to watch them develop into what I didn't have. So what happened? What happened to me?

Yeah. Why didn't you take the sports route? What pulled you to the streets? I mean, I'm sure you grew up going to visit your uncle's in prison. You knew what the system was. You knew what the gang was. You know what, I'm going to be honest. I remember telling my buddies from the neighborhood, we're young. I remember. I still remember. It was like, hey, how much time would you do for the hood? And dumbass me was like, I'll do 10 years flat.

And like, fuck, 10 years. And that's a lot to think. And I was like, I didn't mean it. I just said it. Later on, you know, we start doing some gang bangy stuff, shooting people. everything that entails gang violence, so we did it. Robberies and... You know what? I'll be honest. I never robbed. I was never a thief. Like I said, I was not a drug addict.

Like, I gangbang in the sense that every person I shot, every person I beat up, they deserved it. They were from the same lifestyle. With the exception of one person, I'm not going to talk about it, but I feel bad for what I did to him. but then again it was so long ago I was young I was uneducated and I learned from that lesson

like other than that person I could say every person I put on their back every slug I put in somebody every knife that I used in prison on somebody was for that purpose like you were at war Johnny you know you're representing your culture I'm representing mine

I'm not going to be a victim I always told my parents from the first visit I told my mom and dad is a listen you're never going to get that call. I'm going to tell you why. I'm always going to be the suspect. I'm going to do everything that I need to do to come back home to you.

I told my mom that first visit. And we were talking and I was like, she didn't want to hear that. You know, she's trying to, oh, do these programs. Like, programming was unheard of for me. My first prison when I talked to my parents was a level four yard, Stenis Valley. First visit.

So I said, And remember, I got there three yards later, Major Wright kicked off on lockdown. I see my parents. They're worried about me, you know? I'm the baby. I told my mom, don't worry about it. I'm not going to tell you what's going on here.

When I tell you I'm okay, that's all you need to know. And I had to tell my mom, when you write me, she would call me miho, my son. I say, hey, mom, you can't be breaking me down with that shit. Like, seriously, you got to detach. who I am in here and this fucking roll with the punches. When I say I'm okay, don't ask me any questions. And she's like, she doesn't want to hear that.

So explain to me because I know there's a lot of different sub-gangs, sub-cars in the northern structure, right? But were you, the Neustra Familia is the, the, the, the mothership. It's the, the big, the biggest. It is what controls all of the other sub-gangs. Were you actually a part of the NF? Did you come up that way on the streets? Or did you just become that when you went to prison?

So in the streets and in the pen, you know, the NF is, you know, the respected uncle. You know, Theo, you know, they're right here and every neighborhood has one, every town has one. You know, when you have that one person that you go for guidance, advice, who knows, you know, the politics, you know, you view him and you treat him with a certain amount of respect. And in my town, we have a lot more than those people in our town. Because, you know, like I said, we are the source of prestige where when you talk about our town. And this is factual. And I've been doing my math and asking different homeboys, hey, man, if you have one person from Salinas on that yard, who's running the yard? And he's like, you, you motherfuckers.

Because we do, in my community, it's very strong. structured. From our jail, from the streets, we operate like a closed unit with the same ideas, with the same goals, and the same mindset. Just imagine having a dedicated army of a thousand soldiers. Discipline in unison. Can that be said about the whites? Can that be said about the blacks? Can that be said about the Southerners? There's very few, you know, group segments, that operate like us, but I know for a fact, in my estimation, that we are the most structured, we are the most uncompromising. We are, I tell people, I represent the super minority.

What I mean by that, if you have 100 inmates that did 20 years, do the math. Out of 100 Northerners that did level 4 time, you're probably going to get back. I'm going to give a good number. 10 out of 100. That's facts. What happens to the other 90? They die by the struggle. They roll it up. They get blasted on.

They fade away. They become everything that I didn't want to become. But out of those 10, you'll find that one that actually has the true merit, sacrifice,

and he's He still has honor. That's rare. And he becomes the deal. He becomes the shot caller. Not necessarily. Most people, you know, most people in my community aspire to be something else because it's there. Like, coming from my neighborhood, you want to be like the big homie.

So once you acquire that type of status and prestige, cool. Now, what's after that? Most of us know that, not to be somebody, but to be respected on the streets, you got to or the prison route. And it's true. I want the prison route. And I thought just because I shot three people, I was going to be different.

Oh, you know, he's with the business. You get there, it's different. You know, shake your hand, welcome to the club. How much time you got? Life changes. It doesn't matter if I have 10 bodies on me. It doesn't matter if I have no bodies on me. You're still going to be treated with the same respect

that you deserve until you start putting in the work. That's how I seen it. Like, there's a hierarchy. You know that. Yeah. You have two white men. Yeah, one's smarter than the other. Obviously, he's going to be more respected for his knowledge.

But if you have another white boy who's his fucking blasting everybody, like, holy shit, we need that guy. But if you have a combination of both, a politician and a warrior, that's a dangerous weapon right there. Like, I know what I am. Deep down aside. I am very educated by my cause. I'm very educated by myself. I know what I am, but I know what I'm not. So do you have to earn the label of NF to be able to say I am NF?

So for me, I represent the Norteno movement. I'm in solid standings, which cannot be said for, I hate to say, most of these people that have been on this platform and all these other platforms. What I mean by that. Fair enough. is I left that environment with my name, reputation, and social standings intact. No blemish on my record. There's no X.

There's not a question mark. There's not asterisk associated to my name, which is a good thing. And I said, you get a thousand people with 20 years. I want to see you find the same person like me. It doesn't happen. And I came from an era award. after 2017 CDC changed

no they started releasing all the shoe terms all the validated guys and with that that's why I became home remember I was in the shoe at that time I was in the shoe when all these laws

were changing cruel and unusement punishment rehabilitation so what that happened was CDC was like let's be a little lenient let's let these guys do their time, let him figure out that opportunities are available in prison. I didn't have those. I'm going to keep it real. I didn't go to typing class. I was in a vote class. I did none of that.

I did none of that for the first fuck. So I left. I got a computer class. Tell us when you went in, how long did you get? And for what? So January 5th, 2000, I allegedly put eight bullets into three rival gang members. Broad daylight, it wasn't a drive-by. They said someone walked up and shot a bunch of gang members. Obviously, it was true. So I got arrested on January 8, 2000, a couple days later. And I was arrested for three attempted murders,

sobbed a firearm, gang enhancements, and some other crime associated with the hang. Oh, semi-automatic. So got arrested. And I was like, damn. I mean, I got myself into it. Like, my whole life, everybody in my community does this. I'm not even lying, Johnny.

When I say I got my boy up the hill who's probably got 10 shootings that it's about, it's true. When I say, you know, my other boy has 15, it's true. And the one thing is, I got caught. I mean, I know what I did. I know why I did it. It's broad daylight, you know, you don't get away, you know. Kind of gun was it? It was a semi-automatic 22 Belarus, 30-round clip.

And whatever happened, they said I walked up to these guys and put five in one, four in the other one, whatever. They really didn't have a case per se. They had no gun. They said it was an AK-47, not true. They said the person of interest was 160 with a beard. I'm like, hmm, not me. I didn't even have no hair on my body.

They'd do another charge, too. another prior shooting, I'm like, damn. And I accepted their deal. What started was 112 years. My lawyer was negotiating. You guys got no case offering a better deal. So from 112 years, got to 80 years,

and then like, I believe 70-something years, I'm like, fuck. So my lawyer at the time, I loved this dude, and he kept it real with me. He's like, look, this is what am I do for you? these motherfuckers can't testify against him when they're in the hospital. Think about that.

I was like, okay, what's your... He's like, just go a speedy trial real quick. We'll force him to come to court. You want to do that? And that's going to wake up the DA and be like, he has nothing to hide. Just run it. You want to do it? So I'll get you in court two, three times a week.

Let's do it. So from 112 years, they got down to like the 30 range. And I was about to sign for like 32. I was thinking about it, 32, 20, 50, damn. Something in my back of my mind was like, I'm not going to get life. You know, it's weird to say that. I kept telling myself, man, it doesn't end like this. Went to court again and I offered 25 years.

It's like, man, 25, it's cool. That's weird to say. 25 years sounds cool when you're thinking about your freedom. And can you get parole back in 2000? Did they have a potential to get a bunch of time off? No. Remember, the laws were stringent back in the, the day from the late 90s

until the early 2000 and 12 range. Yeah. You do a crime, you're going to do your time. Day for day, basically. Day for day until I believe 2015 that, you know, subcommittee laws are my bad. The law started changing lifers, youth offenders. I didn't qualify

for none of that, by the way. Like I was there for three attempted murders and I said, I'm going to ride this bitch out. Like I did it. I'm going to serve with honor. I'm going to represent my town. More important, I'm going to represent myself.

So I accepted 18 years, four months after they offered me, my bad. So when they got to the 20-year range, I thought I could take that. But by chance, my lawyer slipped one in, went to court, started talking his lawyer talk. He was like, no, we'll take it all day. I was like, man, bro, I don't play with my life, but came back and like, hey, 18 years, four months right now, I said, I'll take it. So I could do 18 years. I could do 18 years. Signed for 18 years, four months, and I ended up doing almost the whole time.

Yeah. So do I regret it? I regret certain choices, but that time behind the walls, every sacrifice I made, everybody I dropped, every book I read, every lonely night in my cell made me a better person, if that's possible to believe. I believe it. Like, I wouldn't be who I am now if I didn't struggle,

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that's in Delano, California that place rocks it was rocking so you must understand out of all the all the prison yards there there's only one building for us at the time so let's imagine all the northerners been in one building

and you have southerners whites blacks that control that prison we had nothing coming nothing coming I'm talking about man, they would do it's dirty, but it's part of the politics. What I mean by that, we would be isolated in our building six. And remember, all the Southerners, all the blacks, and all the whites had all the jobs in a world reception center. And our food would come back with shit in it.

Piss, it was horrible. And I never got mad at that point, but I was like, well, this is a different war. It could be political. It could be physical. it could be manipulated in the way that they do it. So when I got to that yard, we just rocked it. There were still Southerners in our dorm, on my bad, in the building. And right when I got there, I believe six of the fellas, they got smashed on.

Like, keep it real. It was six of them, stabbed up, probably 50 plus Southerners on them. It was like six against 50. They got the business. All right, cool. I pulled up right after that. that. And it was back and forth. They crack a door open and we'll get them. They crack their door open. They'll get us. But for the most part, in reception, it was, you know, I did a few things there.

I put a few people on their back, caught a southerner slipping twice, caught a white boy slipping running his mouth, and a black. But that was just politics. Disrespect my people. We're going to do something about it. But the Southerners will respect, you know, they understand that it's war, bro. It's their prison, and we're not even a guest. So we've got to fight for everything we have. And I was okay with that because I come from a place where we are always the hunters. So it's different.

Right. To have this, you know, target on you. I wasn't scared. I wasn't nervous. It was just like, damn, this is what they feel like in our community. Right. So I was only there for six months. No major riots or anything.

that it was already done. They kicked all the Southerners out of the building. It was just fist fights, a couple of slight scenes. That's about it. So I was there for a couple months and I went to Salinas Valley. I arrived to Sillian's Valley in November 2001. Spring just hits different. One day, cold mud, the next warm sunshine. But the hardworking men and women in Carhart don't wait for the forecast to get to work. Hatching roads, clearing trails, planting crops. Their hands turned this season's uncertainty into possibility. So get out there. Spring into action.

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I made it to lower your C yard. And no bullshit. I was there. I probably seen my very first yard, it went down. Like, first minute out, no bullshit. So I got out the yard from my building. I'm in C-4. I walk out, I see some fight.

Okay, cool. Another incident. And then yard was done. Next yard, we already know it was about to go down. You know, war is war. And I believe the Southerners did something, so they locked down the yard. But I remember on the third yard, it was, this is what everybody talks about.

You know, this is prison. It was against the whites. And I remember I got to my group, you know, the OGs there. Hey, man, you're right here. You know, anything happens. You know, that's your guy right there. All right, cool. What do you mean?

Like, we all have targets. You know, during war, you know, we want Johnny. If you're the richest on the yard, you're the most influential, you're the big homie, we're going for you, Johnny. Why are you going to go for a bunch of tweakers, drug addicts? Now, you want the guy who has the most influence. You want the guy who has, you know, that yard.

Yeah. And I could say confidently, man, that, that riot was my introduction into the world I was going to live in for the next 18 years. Wow. That first riot, it was out of my, we had two brothers, on our handball court. We had people on the yard, you know, following their targets.

We had another group and we're supposed to go in the white area. But I remember the two white boys came to our area and they got the business. I remember one of them got stabbed. I want to say 30 plus times

and the other one was 70-something times. Wow. And I remember because I was right there on, that was my area. I had the basketball court. And I was supposed to be watching this guy my target, but he laid it down. So like, cool. What do you mean he laid it down? He didn't even get up to, to engage. Okay. You know, he was supposed to. The word was, you know?

Yeah. But he's seen his, his buddies just get butchered. Wow. Like, that first riot set the tone for everything I was going to do. Now, did those dudes survive? They all survived. Okay. Now, did you already have your, your banger on you? You showed me a picture of a knife that was not small. No, so those, so those pictures I showed you, those are the type of weapons we used, we made. And in my paperwork, you can see the type of weapons that I used. Bangers are, there's different bangers in prison. You know, what do you call them? Burners, I think.

You got your regular burner, one shot. It's like a 22. But when you got a good, flat steel rod, that's like an AK-47 in there. Yeah. First yard, I was given, I was given, it wasn't a piece. It was a Tom Hock. Tomahawk is this a fasten material out of razor blades. And this one was vicious.

Yeah, two pointed that way, two pointed that way. And I was like, wow, they're here. Get that guy. I was like, all right, cool. Now, are you trying to go for his neck or are you able to like slice his body? Like how do you? Depends how the situation unfolds. The situation in that time was if he jumped, I had two other guys with me, by the way.

I had two other guys, one from Sacramento, one from Hanford. Or not Hanford, Madera. And remember, these guys are older than me. They were like, if anything happens, jump. Just wait on my calls. I wanted to jump. I was like, let's go do this. This is what I'm here for.

And everything just slow down. Like watching just a great act of violence, it registers real quick. You see so many things. You hear so many things. But your mind is quickly brought back into reality when that mini 14 goes off on a 180 level four yard. A level four yard 180 is a concrete enclosure. It's not no open fence.

It's all concrete. So when that bullet goes off, the ricocheted, it's, brings you back to life. Real quick. And I remember the tower shooting. I'm like, man, welcome to prison. So. And those dudes, like, how fast, how fast does it take to,

to have somebody 70 times. Quick. I done some shit. I hit someone one time. I remember I did it. And the joke was like, you didn't even do anything. And I felt that way too because he didn't drop or anything. But I hit someone one time in prison and escorted him out.

And as soon as he went to the wall, he collapsed. And they lifelighted him out. So I was like, you know, proud. I said, look, motherfucker. See how fast I did it? that that's all it took i probably that's in 10 seconds i put i want to say 12 to 15 holes in in one guy one time wow fit to his back or to his chest oh no i went straight from behind it's poked him in the face and neck yeah i set him up i set him up had him walk to you i came

from behind us game the business and then he just turns and walks away no uh or you walked him out what do you mean you escorted him out so one guy hit so uh no no no We knew we were going to hit him. He was trying to masquerade as another race group. You don't do that, bro. You don't come back to prison and be something else. Like, are you fucking stupid? Exactly.

The SEALs told us, you got a buddy over here. Oh, what? Wait, what's up? Seeing him? All right, cool. And during that time, I could say, like I said, when I did that, and the SEALs at that time were shown his love.

They're like, look, you got this motherfucker on the yard? We're going to be gone at this time. cool so it was it happens like that wow so seals gave us a heads up all right and uh you know everything's organized and planned out accordingly and i remember i just came up from behind and passed the piece had the guy go hide it what he was supposed to do he did it and had someone else's bomb on him the guy that jumped on him fucked him up so like hey we didn't see anything up until later on that night. Cills like, hey, man, I got life flighted out.

I was like, oh, shit. Cool. Another striped. Yeah. So I got away with it. And the CEOs, are these usually, when they're friendly to you guys, are they usually from, are they usually Latinos? Are they usually northerners themselves?

So it varies. So me personally, I had COs. Then again, the way you conduct yourself is the way they're going to conduct themselves against you. If you're an asshole, running your mouth, cry baby, they ain't going to fuck with you. But on that yard, we had a lot of Mexican seals there, a lot of them from San Jose, Salinas, and they would show us, you know, some type of love. And that day out of all days was a white seal. Cool as fuck. I always remembered him. I'll tell another story later, but he was cool with me. At that time, that was my first yard, I could say,

I walked the main lane. All the yards I've been to before were all locked down. That was five prisons before that yard. That was 2007. By that time I was ready. Corcoran Shoe, Corcoran, Sillens Valley, Delano. Got there. We finally got some program. First time for me. So we're doing our stuff. Southerners are locked down and the blacks. They went at it on the right. I seen it. I see it. I mean, it was all right. But there were locked down. But at that time, we had some COs that were sympathetic to us. Hey, man, you got a guy here and go fucking do what you guys can do.

And they do that a lot. Like I said, I got in a way with so much shit just based on my mannerism with them. Like, true story. I did some shit. And we could call the guy right now. We were in a big riot and they gave me the knife back. Yeah. COs gave you the knife.

man, respect. Like, we're not worried about anything you did on that yard. We're like, what are you talking about? I know, we've seen you. Like, these are guards at the end of the day. I don't know what you're talking about. And he opened up his pants leg. And he's out here.

He's like, is this yours? I was like, I ain't any shit. I remember that day, he's after we came back from medical. Because I got shot during that right. And he told us, whatever you have in your, sell, whatever you're going to have later on, you deserve to have it. He told me that. Because we were just in a big riot, another right. What prison was this? Slinn's Valley years later. Okay. And you got, tell, what was that riot over and tell us how

you got shot? So January 2010, I was in Sins Valley, B yard. And at that time, the blacks just rushed us before I got there. There were, I mean, whatever it was, it was, you know, it happens. Disrespect, money. There's always something. There's always, man, prison is a revolving door of fuckery. There's always something going on. I'm sure you wake up in prison, you know,

it's always the pettiest issues that get the most attention. You know, when a motherfucker owes $10,000, why ain't you stabbing that guy? Oh, because I want my money back. Right. But when someone is disrespecting you outright, you're going to let that slide? Not me.

Like, anybody that knows me, I've been like this my whole entire life. Like, I don't take shit from anybody, especially another race group. And I looked like this because genetics. You know, I don't look like a gangster. I don't act like one. I don't dress like one. But I am from a community of fucking bad motherfuckers.

And if you think I didn't grow up in the neighborhood fighting, shooting, I'm a product of my environment. Everything that's been done before me is going to be done again after me. I was this growing up in an environment where gunplay was normal. Shootings were everyday occurrence. Having your boy get shot, losing three of your boys in one day is facts. We come from a small little community, but man, we are, we're fucking badass. And I'm proud of where I'm from because I know what.

So what happened on this riot? that riot, disrespect. That riot was some bullshit. We got there. They were already in lockdown. And we knew we were going to get off soon on lockdown. Long story short, I got into it with the sergeant. Bitch ass fool.

Like, I don't disrespect seals or anything, but this one was running his mouth. So the day before the riot, they came and searched us, only us, our cell. Fucking tore it up. they know i mean they're looking for weapons cell phone i got caught with the cell phone that day they're right whatever but uh when they're researching us one of the sergeant was like oh you ready to go to yard black guy and i told them straight up bring all your fucking people man like you think

we're we're scared to go to yard like i told them bring all of them and i was talking shit i never talk shit but fuck that like you're gonna talk shit two motherfuckers knowing damn well like the blacks are the most unorganized least respected people out of everybody. I told the sergeant of the day before, I said, uh, bring them all out. And he's like, okay. I was just talking shit.

Next day, they released two of us out. Just me and my celly. And we hit the yard, it's like fucking South Africa there. No bullshit. It was supposed to be two on two. In prison, it's usually two versus two. It's called incremental. After lockdown, they want to see if you guys are going to go talk and get along.

Make it fair. Two on two, it's usually the OGs. The old guys, they're not going to get off. But if you release two youngsters, hey, man, we're at war, I mean, you know what you got to do. So they release two blacks and two Nortenos. They released before Yard, they're already seen blacks out for medical and all that shit. There's like 30 blacks out already. So when we came out, fucking they brought the whole fucking CDC down upon us.

You know, 10 guards on the east side, patting you down. all that shit. It's like, all right. Hit the yard. As soon as we walked out, like, damn. All right. I told my cell, what's up? We have about 30 people right there.

So it's just two homeboys. Just two. Just me and myself. Yeah. And 30 of them. No, at first it's about maybe no more than 25. And mind you, these are the guys that are going for medical. All the guys in wheelchairs, guys with one fucking leg.

And we're looking at it. Bro, we could bust on all these fools right now. And we're joking about it. Come on. Let's go get a food in a wheelchair. And I said, it's not going to matter. At long that, what's going to matter is in your paperwork, fucking 10 people got stabbed.

It's not going to say he was in a wheelchair. It's not going to say that guy had one eye. So we're joking. Hey, man, what's up? You want to go blasts? It's like, nah, let's wait. And we walk the track. They're all scared as fuck.

Keep it real. Walk the track and we posted up at our handball court waiting for someone else to come out. And here comes one block. And it's like, what I imagine if you go to fucking, South Africa to a fucking farmer's market. It's all blacks. And I'm not being racist. I'm being factual.

I told my son, he's like, fuck, bro, Africa just came out. It's all blacks. It was fucking blacks. There are 100 blacks on the yard already. So we're chilling. I was like by ourselves. So this time is we counted 100 blacks.

So this is why I tell you this. So we're posted up at our handball court. We've got the crisp bloods everywhere, Bay Area. And do you know where your knives are buried? No. So we've been locked down the whole time. Okay.

So you didn't even have time to get out there to keep a weapon. So at that time, I had long hair. I had long hair all the way past my back of my knee. Oh, my back. So I had long hair past my back of my knee. And I would put in a ponytail, true shit.

And I would put a banger in there. I used to do it for my phone. Only one time I ever got searched. Man, I fucking panic. I ain't going to lie. And it was a cooceo. Shout out to him. You know who he is? In Delano. But in Sillings Valley, that was my backyard. and I'm not going to put any seal on blast,

but the night before, I got a text from us, you know, one of my buddies's aid, just so you know, when you and your cello go out tomorrow, they're going to be filming you guys. Everything that, they want to catch you with a piece.

I was like, damn. Like, they're going to, like, they wanted us. I just talked shit too to the fucking sergeant of fucking the blacks. Bitch ass, but I can't stand them anyway. But we went out, Africa was on the yard.

we started hitting the track the bearer came up to us first you know, we'll say, man, we want no funk you got you brothers, you know, that's all talk worst thing out the way. They gave us a heads up. Look, now, we already knew what time was. We're dying out, we're good, you know, playing the apart now.

We're cool. We're starting to program. So me and my cellar took a lap. Little guy, too. Little guy. And we're like, what do you want to do? And we're walking. It's funny, man.

You know, like two lines walking in their habitat. All the gazelles, all the fucking hyenas is fucking recognized. And that was happening. We're walking the yard and the blacks is trying to avoid us. Finally, we've seen two of our homies coming out fucking 20 minutes later. So we were waiting from. And as soon as they got closer, it was on.

They rushed us. And I'm talking about, I think the number was 89 to 90 blacks in my paperwork. But there was like 100 in. rushing four people. So they rushed us. Like I said, I hate to say, I'm not going to be rude, but the blacks are very unorganized. Like, I'd rather get hit by 100 blacks than two southerners.

Two southerners will fucking get you. Three will fucking kill you. 100 blacks, come on. They're not going to use a piece. They're going to do mob mentality. They're going to jump, kick. At the end of the day, that's not too bad. been doing that shit my whole life.

But during that day, when they rushed, it was comical in so many ways. We're posted up in our area, and my side was like, what do you want to do, man? We could go over there. We got 20 blacks over there.

We got 40 blacks right there. And I were like, fucking let them come to us, bro. We got a wall behind us. So when they started shooting, you know, we got a handball wall. And we've seen our homies coming to them. Fucking taking forever.

And as soon as they hit the gate, we got about 10 feet by us, they rushed. About 25 the first time. So we met him head up. But before I say, it was comical, one of them rushed us, and he fucking fell. Like, he rushed, he tripped over himself, and I shit you not. When he was falling in front of me, I gave him one knee to the face.

I had to get a tennis shot. And I caught his tooth on my knee. I still have a scar through my pant. I caught him in the knee, dropped him, and now it was on. So we're going at it, me and my celly. I think the first wave was like maybe 25 to 30 people. And we're just, we're going toe to toe, we're going at it. They overwhelm him for a second.

Let me help them out. But ultimately, they rushed us about 25 the first time, maybe two couple of minutes, seems like forever. And they back away. We're back up. We never go down. And then the next wave comes. I think the next wave was like a bunch of bloods.

Maybe like 30, 40 bloods. Come on. Serve them up too. We're going at it. they need you shit. My celli, now we're fucking pissed. That adrenaline's up.

Let's do this. We're smacking them. We're on top. Like, we're hitting everybody. I could say my celli, I was proud of him. I'll tell you the story later about him, but man, that day,

we've been training for this. When he came in my cell, the very first moment, I said, look, man, we're at war. We're about to get off soon. I need to know if you got my back. If not, let me know right now, bro.

I can stab you right now. Or you can do whatever you got to do to get the fuck off. yard. And I was like, no, I got you, bro. I was like, cool. As soon as he came in, no, good guy. I was like, look, bro, where I wore, I'm gonna do some shit. You got me? Sure enough. And during that ride, I, you know, everything's slow motion. I'm trying to fight fucking 50 blacks right here. And I look at him and he's just rocking. I'm like, oh, and it pumps you up. I don't have to take care of him. He doesn't have to take care of me. The other two homies, they got overwhelmed. But

in a good way. They isolated a couple guys over there. They stayed with those guys. Me and my celly, we probably went head on with about 90 blacks that day. Three different waves. And you can get dropped?

Never. Wow. Never got dropped. Never been dropped in prison. I never been stabbed. I never been sliced. I never been... All that shit that these people speak of

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Get down. They're shooting. whatever. I'm not worried about the shots. I'm worried about 30 motherfuckers trying to kill me. I'm worried about my celly. Ultimately, we are one and one together. He's my main priority. If he goes down, I got to assist him. I told him, if I go down, you assist me. That's how it works. Don't get overrun. Don't take off and chase anybody.

And everything we practice, everything we live by in that cell? 100%. He fucking... He did the shit. And we fuck around to this day. So how do you avoid getting shot? Sticking move, bro. So on a riot, remember, I'm in a riot, you got a multitude of people in front of you, on the side of you.

It's chaos. You got people running towards you. So initially, the guards are supposed to shoot on the floor or ricocheted off the floor. So when they're ricocheting shots, I can't hear them yet. You know, because I'm in the thick of it.

At this time, it was the second way. They're already shooting. I'm like, fuck. I could hear it, but I'm not tripping. So after the second wave, like, that one was intense. You know, we backed up for a second. And we're like, we're breathing hard. I was like, cool?

I was like, yeah, cool. Fuck. And here they come again, another wave. I was like, fuck. Got up. We were in, oh, my bad. At that time, after the second wave hit, they were shooting like crazy. And the blacks, you shoot on the yard, blacks take off running.

Come on. I'm sure you've been locked up. If a white man is stabbing someone, that white man is going to finish the job. If a Southerner is stabbing you, that fucking Southerner is going to do the job. No disrespect to blacks, but like I said, I'd rather fight 100 blacks. Understood, understood.

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can't see. So actually no, a riot is pretty much a free fall. This is where you want to hit people because you get away with it. And a right, it's weird. If you're in a riot, it's weird. If you're in a riot, the most time you get is 90 days. Okay. Even if you stab somebody. If you get caught, stabbling someone. During that last wave, get down. They were calling my name on there.

Turers, get down. I'm like, hell no. I'm going to get mine again. So on the third wave, me and my celly started going at it with these guys. We caught a black member. I told me we got one of the guys, but they started fucking them up. And get down. And for a second, I looked at the tower.

I'm like, fuck you. don't tell me to get down motherfucker and he apologized later I remember so got back up and boom felt it I was like oh ho we're playing huh where'd you get hit the first time I got hit in my ass but I felt that motherfucker like oh

all right cool didn't really phase me no adrenaline's pumping and the second time I got shot in the back and then we're trying to disengage we're trying to separate ourselves from the mess because seven to ten feet, there's blacks everywhere. You can't prone out.

We're not going to prone out. So there's the black who tried to do some hero shit, and we snatched them up. And we literally got them on the floor and just, I remember just racking on them, licking at all the blacks, like 100 blacks on yards. Come get them.

They left them. And you're leaking at this point. Do you even feel the gunshots? No, I felt the ass one. Yeah. That one, damn, that one hurt. It didn't hurt. it woke me up.

But I got hit twice already. I didn't know I got hit later, but the third one was on that got me. So the third shot, and when I'm, get down, I'm not going down. I'm not going down

until we leave this yard on our terms. Like I told him, I said, we are going to be the last one of my fucker standing. You got that? And true to form,

true to our word, we were the last one standing that day. And so I was the last one fighting and the tower just, boom, pulling in my back. And I felt it. I was like,

ooh, I was like, all right. And, We're kicking back now. Smoke everywhere. Pepper spray everywhere. And,

and I, we back up, we prone out. And I, get down. You know, all that bullshit. The Atrix,

you know, seals do. We're down. I look at them. You cool? I'm cool. And I know bullshit. We're on the floor,

and I gave him a little hug. I was like, fucking, I love you, fool. I got you, fool. You realize how lucky you are that he didn't hit your spine

or your lower? tell you what happened after that shot. So after that, we get up after the COs, you know, do their little thing, investigate flex cuffs and medical and, uh, they try to get me up. And, uh, I can't feel my body. My, my lower body, I'm like, so I'm like, and my size, hey, you okay? And, uh, that day, like I said, everything happens for a reason. The CEO I met that day that had to escort me. Long story short, he grew up in my neighborhood. He's like, he's been waiting to meet me. He's like, hey, I know who you are?

Like, who the fuck are you? Long story short, when I was on the floor, I couldn't move my leg. I'm telling me, I said, hey, I can't get up. Like, what? And I didn't want to get up and give the blacks any ammunition. Like, hey, this guy can't walk. We took him out in the stretcher because that didn't happen. And I remember talking to SEAL was, hey, you're right?

I was like, hey, I can't feel my leg. I'm not trying to be a little bit. You know, like real shit. And my side said, you're okay? So I was like, hey, man, like, we didn't take you to medical. I was like, do me a favor. You can't escort me from here to medical, bro. Because there's 150 blacks on the yard.

And they throw me on that stretcher, that means we lost. And they're like, it was a cool seal. Man, I ended up meeting another one that day. And they're like, what do you want to do? I was like, man. And I remember the medical guy coming, you can't feel your legs. I was like, don't make a big deal. But I can't feel my rights on my body right now.

I'm like, fuck. And that seal goes, look, so I'm going to do. I'm going to pick you up. And he called another seal. He was like, we're going to pick you up and walk you across. Is that cool? And my side was like, do it. I was like, well, fuck, I got no choice.

I was like, bro, don't bring a stretcher out. Don't bring a wheelchair out. I'm like, we got you. So I remember the seals pick me up. You know, you're cuffed up. And like, I couldn't feel my leg. I was like, fuck. Couldn't feel my leg.

Long story short, I went to medical. And what happened was, it's called Renaud syndrome. They hit me at the exact spot of my nerve, which basically cut off my nerves from my leg. So I couldn't walk. It was numb. So my leg, when I got shot, you know, the aftermath was, man, my nerves just wouldn't work. Literally, I couldn't move. I couldn't sit up.

My leg was dead. So they rushed me to the hospital. did a bunch of tests, and they were doing tests for a couple weeks to figure out and finally to ask some guy from,

I remember, it was a cool guy from, uh, VYU, specialists. Can you visit me? Hospital?

Hey, man, this is what you got. Renal syndrome was, is something, is nerve damage, nerve damage. You'll be able to walk again.

You just got to stretch your leg out, move it. I'll do that all the time. But I, I had a wheelchair for like a couple weeks in the hole. After the riot,

they gave me a wheelchair. I ain't using that. I would only use it when I had to go to medical. I was milking it after that. Fuck. But I got nerve damage and it took me down for like almost 10 months. Has that fucked you up to this day? You know what?

Better now. No, no more I'm good. 100%. But in prison, I was probably at a disadvantage for about maybe a year. You know, my arm would die. Wow. I literally, I'll be sitting. So I had to go to hospital a few times in there.

So once I were sitting down, me and I'm in my cellar and a hole. And I try to get up. You know, when you try to, like, what the f? And I can't get up. It's like, oh, man. I was like, dude, I was tripping. Man down, rushed me to hospital, did a bunch of tests, came back. I'm like, hey, you got Renaud syndrome.

Or later. Yeah. Cool, nerve damage. That's all it was. So how did all of this? How did you ascend within the ranks of the NF as times moving on and you're getting all these stripes? So I, how responsibilities did you have?

So I did ascend the ranks of the NF. So remember, the, the, The BNF is the beloved uncle, the father figure. Me, you know, we're the rowdy-ass kids, you know? Right. You know, when uncle or dad has a problem, they're going to send those kids out. Right. And at that time, all my brothers, all the OGs were slammed down.

They're all slammed down in Corkin, Pelican Bay, and the federal system. So the main lines were ours to operate and control and essentially wage were on the behalf of our people. Okay, tell us about how you would get messages from Pelican Bay, from the shock callers, all the way to wherever you were at. So this goes for everybody. At that time, we had 32 prisons. You got a constant influx of people arriving to a prison and leaving to a prison. And that goes for Pelican Bay. And everywhere else that, you know, leadership is at.

When a message needs to be sent, they can send it with the body. they could, you know, an actual body, hey, man, here's a coded message, send it out to wherever you're going. They could do it to mail, letters, lawyers. There's so many ways. There's so many ways that, remember, you're a criminal.

You got all day to think about getting that message out. And did you know how to read in the encoded letters? How did you learn that? So when you, so, for example, early in my prison career, I used to get Sudoku. I used to get crossword puzzles, and I got good at them. And I used to do, especially the crossword puzzles. I was like, man, you could create a code with this, a codex.

And I would get certain books like that, you know, and then what was popular was Dan Brown books and the codes and all that. So I would check those out. But in order to be successful in code making, you got to have a codex that only you, the other person, could decipher. Like, you could tell your wife, hey, please feed the, two dogs, three cats, and say hello to your mom. That could be a code right there, you know? Your mom owes 2000, or is your mom good or bad? There's so many messages within messages.

But at that time, I was just a regular fucking soldier like everybody else. So the orders that were coming, they weren't directly in my hand. They would go to the facility, and they would filter them out, hey, man, so-and-so is all bad, so-and-so's all good, or we're at war. It's an underground PG, or my bad, it's an underground culture of communication. Like, it's pretty fascinating

if you sit down and talk to someone who's actually created codes, who's actually relayed codes, but more important, who actually has an understanding of that lifestyle. Would you get taught that by whoever was running, whatever facility you were at?

No, so at that time, you know, you are taught certain things. you're taught everything how to be a great criminal, how to be a loyal servant, there's certain things that you just have to pick up on your own, because not everybody's going to be in a position of power, not everybody's going to be in a position to delegate responsibilities. And to keep it honest, you got 100 men, 75% of these guys are drug addicts.

Even in the NF? In the NF, at the time, no. Like I said, when I say I represented the most structured and environmental environment, my elders prohibited hard drug use. And I appreciated that. I'm sure some people do it. We're all criminals. We all come from the streets.

But me personally, I seen my uncles do it. I seen people in my community do drugs. And I never liked it. I never had like, hey, I'm going to do some heroin. Never. I was more into females, sport. and kicking with the homies. But in prison,

it's against the rules? Well, for us, like I said, we have very structured rules and one of them is, you really can't be a full contributing member if you're indulging in drugs because drugs are going to create so many problems.

You can't concentrate when you're on drugs. Can you call shots when you're on drugs or you're going to be a different person? Like for me, like people that do drugs, I'll keep it real. Stay your ass over there. What are you guys moving drugs, though? You guys are selling drugs.

Drugs are, drugs are profitable in prison that are probably the number one, you know, illicit trade in the black market. So for the NF, was it heroin? Was that the big mover?

Well, I'm not going to say NF, but in general, every drug that is available will sell. Think about it. You got guys who are in tune in a concrete box. They don't get to go

to the dope man down the street. like in their neighborhood. So when drugs come in, it doesn't matter if it's cigarettes, weed, heroin, ice, it's going to sell. And there's always something for everybody. But the number one drugs,

when I was around, heroin sold, heroin while we sell. Cigarette sells, you know, pretty fast. But when I was around, the China White came out, people were giving up

their whole locker for stuff. Yeah. And crystal meth. Right. But like I said, people are popping pills now. People are doing everything. that is

K2 and Oh yeah I've seen a guy In Suns Valley I know some guys that I Whigged out on that Yeah

I remember You know One of my buddies sold something to a guy And he OD Like three times In that weekend Wow

Like bro Like If how bad it is Did Did you have a responsibility To sell drugs Or Are there soldiers

Within the NF structure Whose duty it is To hustle and bring in revenue? How does that work? Or is it every man for himself? So you got to think of every organization, you know,

it has to be run like a Fortune 500 company. You know, you have a CEO, you have a CFO, you have executives who delegate and who are responsible for money revenue. There's people who are responsible for, you know, the crime side of fixing your household,

getting rid of those who are not worthy or those who are no longer, acceptable. Like I said, there's so many things going on in prison, not just from the top, but from the bottom as well. Remember, all the drugs that are moved in are done, are done in a manner that is a reflection of our people. Who's going to bring drugs in? Your mom, your sister, your aunt, your uncle, your homies, everybody's going to do it. I've been in prison at visit where this pretty white lady, maybe like 50 was bringing drugs. drugs in, I didn't even know. And they snatched

it up right there. I was like, damn, anybody does it. Everybody does it. But within your rank, your structure. In my structure, it goes like this. There's always those at the top for part of the chain of command. They're in charge of everything. They're in charge of

Johnny Mitchell being alive on the yard. They're aware of the time you have. They're aware of the shit you did in your past that is on paperwork. So in order to run a successful household, there's many things involved. You need to be security-minded. Okay, we get that.

But you also have to have revenue to take care of your brothers who don't have anything and to take care of those brothers who require assistance who are locked down in the shoes, who are not getting anything based on the fact that these brothers are there for a reason. When I say my elders, I say this with the respect that they deserve. My elders were gangsters. You know, my elders were the men that inspired me to be not just a regular soldier. Anybody could be a soldier. I wanted to be something different.

I don't want to be a gangster. I would never label myself as a gangster because gangsters come and go. The men I was watching, the men I was emulating, the streets where I come from, they taught me differently. So I was like, man, I did this for glory. I didn't do it for a paycheck. There's no 401k plan. They're not going to match, you know, my benefits based on the time I did. So there's so many factors going on.

But one thing I always wanted to be was a fucking prison warrior. I was like, man, those guys do legendary shit. So then how does it work? Do you guys, the people that make money, do you put it into a fund? Because I imagine, I imagine some of that's got to get kicked up to the shoe, to all the bosses, right? So Walmart, you go shop at Walmart. You buy some goods.

You know, that specific Walmart makes $100,000. Whoever's the manager of that Walmart, you know, they need to get back at the CFO and the CEO. And, hey, man, we made this amount of money here. Okay, what's the percentage? That's on them. This episode is brought to you by Palm Olive. Family time isn't just the big moments.

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you're not going to get rich off this. And you're especially not going to be rich when your manpower are suffering. So basically, you know, there's implements, or my bad, there's policies in place, hey, man, it's all good. Bring what you got to bring at your risk. Don't bring, you know, things that are going to get you attention. Like marijuana.

People bring you marijuana at visit. It smells. Right. Like I seen it. Like, bro, you're trying to hoop a ball on marijuana. You can smell my visit. Like, bro, it's stupid. But if you're going to bring something ultimately, it's for everybody.

Yes, you're going to make a good percentage of it for yourself. But at the same time, even me, when I was bringing contraband and moving all these things, you could ask my manpower at the time. I would bless every building with like a couple of balls of dope. This is for you guys. but make sure we stock up what we need. Right. Because not everybody's fortunate.

Right. You guys, you have guys doing 20 years. Think about that. You got what, a grandma, a mom? After five years,

most people start losing, well, me, I was very blessed. People fall off, though, if you do that much time. Johnny has 20 years,

you know, your mom's going to be your mom. At the same time, she's going to get tired of writing letters, sending you packages of money, and it's hard. It's a hardship. Yeah.

It's not much to take care of someone behind the walls. more of the emotional part. Okay, so you were bringing stuff in? Oh, I got, yeah, of course, everybody does. Okay. Dope, heroin. I brought in whatever I could.

I did it differently. For example, like, I never did the visiting little sackballs. Yeah. That's, that's very amateur. Yeah. Me, with the paperwork you saw, I got busted in prison with, uh, an iPad, PlayStation, an Acer computer,

cell phones, Tupperware from the streets. I had food brought into me from guards and all that that were fascinated with me. I had it pretty good. And the reason why I said I had it pretty good, so after the first riot, I told you about,

those COs showed me the utmost respect that anybody could have on that yard. When I came back to that yard, this is no exaggeration. You know, we're calling my Selly and I, Spartan. The northern Spartan, right? Just remember, for 100 motherfuckers to go at it against four and not kill them, that's embarrassing. Like I said, I'll take 100 blacks any day against three Southerners.

If it was three Southerners, I wouldn't be here. Probably being a wheelchair, all fucked up, but I'm not. But after that, right, this is a true story, man. Those SEALs respected us on a different level. They were all coming up to my saying, man, you guys fucking tore it up. Good job. Like, you know, and it feels good because I got involved in the shit for glory. I was like, when I'm in prison, I just want to represent my people.

I want to represent myself and be that bad motherfucker. So after that, you got the guards to start bringing stuff. I already had guards bringing stuff. Okay. Get into some detail, please. So, for example, I pulled up to Salinas Valley. And that's my backyard. And before I left Delano, I was, I was settled with my childhood friend.

And they called me randomly in the morning. Hey, get tears. Back up. What the fuck? Where am I going? Sleen's Valley. I was like, damn. It's my backyard.

And I was already gone for 10 years. And I told my son, they watch, when I go back, I'm going to, I'm going to blow up right there, watch. It's like, because he's my childhood friend. We all have friends that work in corrections. But me, like I said, I had a different life. I grew up in the hood, but I represented. Southside sports.

All the nice leagues, I played football, baseball with all the guys. I went to the parties and everything. I was a social guy. I wasn't thugging like that. I wasn't dressed up with a gun on my hip trying to be like, I know. I'm from the neighborhood. I just look differently, but I will represent it if I have to.

But like I said, I was more into the chicks, you know, going to parties at the same time. If it goes down, I'm there. You know? But when I went back, true story. As soon as I got off the bus, I got to R&R and I seen my buddy's neighbor. He looked at me. I was like, damn.

Because if you know someone there, they will kick you out of that prison. It's called overfamiliarity. Right. So as soon as I got off the bus, I seen him. And he's a CEO. He's a CEO, an R&R. He's seen me.

And he said, what's up to me? I was like, man, the last time I talked to him, he was an asshole. And he was like, Corey's friend. I'm like, yeah. And that's all I said. All right.

Like, man, here we go. I didn't say anything. Made it to my cell. And I remember I had a seal, a night watch, knock on my door, get up about 2 o'clock in the morning. And I couldn't see anybody. I thought I was tripping. And, hey, Louie.

And it was a seal inside of my door. I was like, oh, dude, I know you. He's like, hey, I'm going on vacation. What do you need? I said everything Because I'll be back in two weeks All right And I just already got there

I was probably there five days Maybe about a week And man Pulled up through his word Open up my tray slot Two cell phones in there He's like much stuff, foo Walked off

And okay And I didn't ask anybody yet And then all right cool I had a fucked up Sally too at that time I couldn't stand them and I was like, I need to get this guy out of myself because if that was that easy, I wasn't starting to get at everybody that I knew.

So as soon as I got there, I started making my rounds, going to medical, got escorted when I went to medical by one of my boys' sister. And she always liked me back in the day. You know, a little groupie. She wasn't the prettiest, but, you know, keep her around because, you know,

she's going to flatter you somehow, but now she's a guard. So we're walking. She's like, oh, my God, how you've been? And I didn't even remember. And I was like, who are you? And I seen her text. I was like, where's your brother?

I just happened to say that. I was like, man, I know you from somewhere. And her brother was locked up Tuesday. My brother's in court grand. I was, oh. And I remember who she was. So I was, hey, what's up? Tom, I said, what's up?

Oh, my God. And we get your number. I said, okay. And all right. Got her number real quick. And like two days later, we're texting. You know, doing all that, you know? Yeah.

It's like, hey, bring me something. what do you want? I was like, no, I'm not going to be that guy to ask for drugs. I was like, man, bring me some food. I just want to see if they work. She brought me food. Okay. And then I met another seal.

These are seals that I know as kids. Like childhood of friends, people I played baseball with. I had a friend. Her dad was a sergeant. And we're always cool with each other. Probably a school girl. And somehow I got her number. No, Louise in Salinas Valley?

And she hit me up. Oh my God, my dad's there. Do you want something? Like, are you serious? And she's like, yeah, my dad's pretty dirty. I was like, damn. And that time I already, I mean, I had two cell phones. We're okay.

I mean, sure. What can you get me? What do you want? Like, damn, I don't know if it's a setup, you know? I'm always very cautious. Even with females that I was trying to knock. For sure. Like, I don't want to be that guy.

But you got to take a risk. So I'm not going to say, but I was like, hey, tell me to bring me this. I was like, I'm going to do it once. So make it worth it. I was like, all right, hold up. Let me switch that order. I got a buddy. Can you go pick this up?

And at that time, we had a buddy at the cell phone store. So we got some phones. And I believe we got a pack of cigarettes. I was like, it was two phones and a case. And sure enough dropped it off. And he's like, hey, kid, I remember we're talking to me. Hey, kid. you'd be cool, bro.

You'd be cool. My daughter said, The sergeant. Sergeant. Holy shit. And I remember him as a kid. Yeah. But like I said, I didn't grow up being an asshole.

I was never a dick to the girls, to the guys. I was just me. I played sports. I was well known. I was well liked. But, you know, I am from where I'm from. You know, shit happens in life. And those cigarettes are money in the bank.

A card to cigarette? Yeah, for a pack of cigarettes. at, we're selling one cigarette, I believe, $25, 30, $30, $1. Wow. And you had a whole carton. Whole car, I was passing out to all my homes there, man. Go make $100 for quick. Yeah.

Easy. Wow. So it's on from there, and now you have four cell phones. No, at that time, I had, me and my cellar hooked up. And with that one, I shot to my buddy in five block. Because he didn't have a phone. So I got you. I shot two of them to five block.

Both my boys. One was from the town. Say, man, I need a phone. Another guy. Fuck. I got you. I just happened to cop two the next day. Shot of him, no money.

And I had an extra while. I was sending out to another building just like I said, why do I need all those phones for? And what kind of phones? At that time, my first phones were all flip phones. Okay. Remember a little flip? And then I started moving up.

I got a Blackberry. Wow. And that piece of shit broke on me. Yeah, yeah. A piece of shit. And then I had an iPhone. You got the iPhone. But you can't really do much with iPhones because, you know,

the SIM cards at the time, you can't pull them out. They're encased in metal. So I was like, I really don't like this phone. But I liked it. I liked it. features, you know, watching videos and all that stuff was good, but... You can watch the connect with Johnny Mitchell. I'm sure some homeboys will be watching on their iPhones.

2010, I don't think you were, you were probably locked up still, right? No, yeah, yeah, I was... No, so I have the basic flip phones, but, uh, after that right, that's when, you know, I was regular spider and now I'm super spider. Yeah, now you're on. I'm on. So when I came back, remember, I came back from the hospital when the seals were just waiting there, like, hey, man, we're not worried about that PCU.

what are you talking about, bro? Pulled it out. Like, damn, my side looked at me. And we hobbled over to our building. And he's like, bro, you hear what he said? I know. Went to the hole. And even when we got to the hole, those seals were like, man,

you guys are some bad motherfuckers. Because you got to understand. A lot of those seals are racist too. Prison will make you racist. And a lot of those seals that work in Sinus Valley, remember, they're all farm boys too. A lot of them are from Tularee County, San Jose, Monterey County.

you got a lot of whites. So, you know, we have a lot of whites and blacks. And like I said, I kept it cool with everybody. I'm not one of those motherfuckers that talked to COs. Like I said, when I had to, you know, get out of seal with respect. Hey, excuse me. But most of the times, they're talking to us after that right. Like, hey, you're like, I'm not right.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So how did you grow from cell phones and cigarettes to? You tell you how? So I came back from the hole. They tried to isolate me in four block. There was none of my, none of the homies were there. They brought me back from the hole after the riot. Made me go back, fuckers.

And I came back, moved to four block, and no bullshit within one hour, I had a phone. The Asians. The Asians, hey, brother, it's for you. Wow. Or like, respect. That's a $2,000 phone. He shot me a little basic, you know, flip phone. Hey, man.

This is all you, bro, you deserve. You can have it. Like, much love, eh? He's like, we seen what you did. So that day on the yard, the Asians were there. And I was gone, the Asians were trying to the story like, fuck, you're a fucking homie. got down. The SEALs were talking about it. Seals were talking about area. Like, when I was in the

whole, the SEALs was stopped by like, hey, you guys are those Northerners? They're like, hey, badass, hey, much respect. That's how it was like, damn. And we don't say that often. And I was time, I said, but we're going to milk this shit. Watch, we're going to milk every fucking seal that fucking gives us a compliment. Every seal that stops by and fucking swings on our dick. Every seal that talks about the Northern Spartan riot, like you guys handle business, milk it. So that's what I did. First day I came back, I got put off. and told the COA, man, give me back to two block. Done.

And I had my homework for the neighborhood in that building. That's why I wanted to go back. But I was able to get him a phone from another block already. I just pulled up. I was already on. Got him my phone real quick, and then I moved in with him a week later. And then I remember we're in the cell. And we're watching a commercial.

And he goes, I bet you can't get that. Like, you what? It was a PlayStation. What I want a PlayStation for? I don't know. See if you get it. Boom, had it in the week. After that, we got an iPad.

We had a freaking computer. You know, those big old charges they have for a computer, we had it in the cell. Are you guys using that? Are you renting that out? Like, you're using it to make money? Yeah, you can. I would do that with one of the phones.

Right. You can let someone, like, at that time, cell phones were, I think people were paying like a hundred bucks to like rent it out for, I don't know, people are different. Some people charge 100 for a couple hours or all night. At that time, I had no need. for an extra cell phone.

I would shoot my homies one so they could have it, communication. But I didn't have 40 cell phones on myself. I had the one I used. I had another one. A backup with my neighbor

who, you know, one of the brothers. Hey man, fuck with that phone. But when I needed, I need it. Like I said,

I had one stash here, one stash there. I did pretty good. And you can rent, you can lease it out for a night. I never leased anything out because I was on that mother,

we're on lock now. I'm on lockdown all day. We're trying to make shit happen. Talk to girls. Talk to family. Network. And we did it. We're littering the cell.

Are you talking to people in different prisons? Oh, yeah. Like other brothers? Other brothers. Hey, what's like you had? This communication, like I said. If you have a, so my, uh, my celly came from Solano, I believe. And they're flooded with cell phones.

The level four environments at the time were, we're, it's a lot harder to get contraband in there. It's a lot harder. So he was like, oh, I had all this over there. And I believe it. That's no. ounces. I like, damn.

ounces of. Oh, yeah. Everybody knows ounces of it. O ounces of crystal? Everything, yeah. Holy shit. That's how it works. That's so much dope in prison.

But yeah, he had everything there. So when he got to Sting's Valley, he just after the riot and he was like, bro, I'm hearing your name everywhere. I was like, that's what stuff? He's like, bro, you're fucking shining right now. Like trip out, bro, watch. We're going to have it better right now.

I just moved in with them. And right away, like, that building I went into, those fucking seals were heller respectful towards me. Like, we hit it off. They're like, hey, man, you're a bad motherfucker. Hey, man, thanks. And I would start flexing

my power because these guys live in my community. And I heard him talking one time, hey, I'm going to go to a concert. And I was like, was that right? And he was going to a concert where my buddy had a friend who was like the bartender. So I told me, hey, when you go to that concert tonight, ask for so-and-so. Like, why? One trip. I'm going to take care of you.

And he was like, who the fuck are you? Like, as a joke, who are you? They, trust me. I told him, watch, bro, tell that chick to hook it up. Take care of him. because it's going to come back. So he went out that bar to the concert, VIP seating, bottle service.

It didn't cost us much. But when he came back to work a couple days, he's like, bro, I remember what he says. He's like, who the fuck are you? He's like, bro, how did you do that? I don't trip, bro. And after that, he was as cool as fuck with us. So how did you start getting the dope in?

Easy. Staff. Staff. There's so many different seals that will do it, especially, I mean, I had buddies there that I grew up with. Played baseball with them. Played football with them. Spend a night at one of them's house, you know.

And I would see them. They would, hey, what's up, Louis? Like, hey, bro. They would hit me out. Hey, what do you need? And they're like, don't ask for dope either. So, all right, cool. Bring a cell phone.

You could sell that cell phone for $3,000. A regular flip phone at Walmart used to cost about $16 to $19 at the time. And that flip phone would sell for minimum $1,000. Holy-ish. And if you take it to the hole, you could probably get at least, 2,500 at the time. Cell phone's probably a lot more now. They're about $10,000 now.

Wow. Yeah. $10,000? Oh, yeah. So you could get one for $20 from your homeboy on the outside. No, I wouldn't free. I wouldn't pay for, like, most, I never paid for one cell phone in my life. These are all, like, friends hooking me up. And then you sell it, and are they using cash in California prisons?

So at that time, it was green dots. Yeah. It was, uh, Walmart. Like, there's a, you know, you had a debit card and you load it. Right. So I would do that. All right. thousand bucks, send it to my cousin or whoever was my secretary at the time, save that.

Holy shit. Quick, quick transaction. And you, so your cousin or a family member on the outside was the one basically handling all the money that was coming through? They didn't even, they didn't even know. I said, here's the numbers to add to it. You know, don't ask questions. They never did. Wow. So I was sending them a green dot, loaded up. Never asked me anything. Did you eventually, did you even mess with drugs? I mean, this is such a great hustle. You don't even need to bring in balloons. Never. Like I said, You bring drugs in prison, they're going to prosecute you. That I know.

So all these guys that were, like I said, I'm not trying to knock anybody, but I didn't have to do that. Wow. I was, man, my, that first riot, I would tell people that first riot put me on the map. Right. Like, one, I was in my backyard. Two, I just fucking smacked 100 blacks on the yard. You think that's not going to be talked about?

Because I remember my friend's wife calling this up. She's like, hey, motherfucker, they're talking about you at the, a nail place. There was a female seal there and she's like, oh my God, these northerners got a big old riot and she's there. And they said my last name and she texted him, oh my God, I think they're fucking talking about Louis. And sure enough, he's like, they were

talking about the riot. You know, females like that, they see some violence, you know, they're going to talk about it. Seals are going to talk about everything they see at work. They're going to go have a barbecue with their buddies like, hey, I just seen this guy fucking put shit on his face. I just seen fucking Johnny's staff five guys. Damn. They talk talk about it. Yeah. So were you now running your, were you running Salinas or just your block? No, so, so. Like did you have, and I'm sure this got back to the, the Tos in Pelican Bay, right?

So at the time, like I said, the yard was being run by those that were in manager positions. And I was always assisting where I was needed. And at that time, we're in a state of war from, man, like I said, all my years were war. This was the seven-year war? No, no, the seven-year war was already passed. This was a new war with the blacks now. Like, I've been in so many... So after that riot, where you got shot and you got all the stripes, now you're at war.

Still at war. Okay. So when I went to the whole, like, when you do some shit like that, what can your own people say, that motherfucker just fucking put down a hundred motherfuckers. And I would talk shit, like, I would tell people, I put down more of my motherfuckers on one day, then you will do in your whole fucking entire prison career. And I'm a smug motherfucker when I say it, because it's facts. Like, I'm not very liked by the weaker class because I don't cater to, like, weak men.

I like, especially those guys with tattoos, I used to tell the people that, dude, you got all these tattoos, bro. Why are you fucking scared for? Like, you signed up for this shit. Don't be a little bitch now. Like, you're in prison. Act like a fucking soldier. And I would tell people shit like that.

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Really? Oh, yeah. Think about it. You go back from 95 to 2015 and look at all the deaths. from every every group saying whites, blacks, southerners, whatever. Ultimately, what's happening is this house is being cleaned.

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My first man, let me see. So when you go to a different prison, they could be a different war going on there. It could be, I'm not saying at peace, just because it's quiet in Sillings Valley, doesn't mean it's quiet in Pelican Bay. You could enter a different environment, and it could be a different war. It could be with the blacks, southerners, or whites, or young people. And that's common. When I was doing time, man, every prison I landed on was war.

First couple years, white boys here, southerners there, blacks there, southerners there. That's all happens. My only prison for the first time where I said I seen actual yard yard was Kern Valley. Get to walk the track. Everybody's on lockdown except us. And then that changed quick. But like I said, all my entire time in prison was spent warring, lockdowns, modified program, and surviving the politics. What kind of politics?

What do you mean? Prison politics. Yeah. Prison politics are the most brutal form of politics you could come across. If I didn't go to prison, I could have been the governor of California right now. Like if I'm going to do something, I might as well get in politics. Those motherfuckers are dirty anyway. If those motherfuckers understand the backbiting, the conniving, cutthroat ways,

I should take my skills and be a politician. So it was crazy infighting amongst the NF. I wouldn't say the NF because the NF was in the Bay doing, their shit. Remember, I represent the Nortemian movement. We are the vanguard for the NF. We were on every mainline, pushing, advocating, protecting, and securing what they created for us. Like, your parents made a sacrifice. We're going to respect what they did. That's the same thing with our brothers who are older, who are the elders. Everything they did was for a purpose. And I always believe in that. I know I'm just a bean in the burrito. But man, this fucking bean has some thing.

fucking kick to it. I'm a different. And I always understood that you can't be anything without your brothers. You can't. A one-man army doesn't exist. Would you rather be one badass dude or would you rather be a badass dude a part of a bigger purpose? Okay. What happened? So now you're at Salinas running shit. What happens next? Where did another right right after? Really? So after that first riot we got programmed for the first time so when I was in the hole they released the blacks out again

and our homies and the homies got smashed like really I just fucking get we know you smashed 100 blacks no I was mad because what the fuck you guys doing you guys tend to do a peace treaty and we're over here fucking mind you

I couldn't walk my ass hurted like you know I was I was experiencing the symptoms of my sacrifice and I was okay with that. And then what happened was they did a program type bullshit and the blacks jumped on the homies. They got them. Slice up one of my homies.

All right, cool. And in the back I'm thinking oh, I'm going to go back and do it again. So I went back and this time they let us program for the first time. It wasn't long. So all the blacks were on lockdown. I believe the Southerners were on lockdown and maybe the whites. So we have the yard.

So we had the yard with the Asians, and it was nice. So, you know, we're getting, you know, visits going to, no, no vocation to work. I got a job in the kitchen. And we're at peace for months because they're on lockdown. But as soon as I get a chance, when the blacks come on a logger, we're going to run it back. I know. Like, come on. It was, that's all it works.

We don't give you your terms. to acknowledge them, to accept them, we provide you with my terms. Like, if we're at war, war's not going to end until I'm satisfied. Until we killed you or until we have that event that pushes us to this level. Meaning, we had 10 battles. If we want eight of them, we're okay with them. We want the upper hand. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah. So long story short, the blacks, ran it back, got the homies, weak. So I came back on the yard, and this time it was a little different. They released the blacks out. We knew that we were going to release them. Cool. We've been ready.

I was already, like, I could say I was advocating for war my whole time, because that's what I know. Like, if you're going to disrespect us, we're going to come back. Oh, we're coming back. So when the blacks came off lockdown, at that time in the riot, we went to yard. It was 21 of us. Wow. you know, wow.

And there was about 180 to 200 blacks. And my cellie that was with me in the first ride, he was gone already. He was on another yard. But I had brothers there that, you know, they said, you know, there were soldiers, you know. So this is the time to prove it. So we went out, outnumbered about 180 blacks, and we took off on the blacks. This time was different. You know, we had some soldiers with me now.

Not much. But the few we had, fucking put it down. Out of 21 of us, we sent 11 to the hospital, 11 blacks. And they knocked out like two of our homies. Not to defend them, but these guys were not fucking soldiers. This guy was like a Christian, which is cool. But he still showed up for, you know, for battle. But that day, smacked them.

smack them. This 21 of us. This is why people on the feds, with all due respect, say somebody's just got to get killed, and then we don't have to have these ridiculous playground fist fights. When do you make that decision to say, okay, no, this has got to be a homicide. The main dude has got to get dropped,

as opposed to like us just going at it on the yard with chaos. You know what I mean? Well, so is it organized chaos or is it just chaos? If you think it's chaos from your lens, now we see it as opportunity from our lens. Because we're the ones structuring this chaos. We're the ones leading our men to battle on our terms. Like I said, just because it was 200 blacks didn't mean we're going to be scared or we're not going to go through with the plan. It could have been a thousand blacks.

It could have been five of us. but we knew what we had to do and we did it. I'm not going to say everybody was on board. No one wants to fight in prison. No one wants to stab anybody because people want to go home. But those rules are not dictated to me.

It's because the environment dictates the rules, if that makes sense. The master lesson I received was from my environment. If you want to fight someone in prison, cool. You're going to fight a man with a thousand years. You don't think he wants to stab you up. You think he wants to get beat up, sliced, stabbed?

No, because he still has to live in that environment. So with that incident with the blacks, those terms were dictated long ago. You fucking hurt one of us? We're coming back. It might be a year? Might be two years. Well, we will come back and get ours. And that's what we did.

It was about seven months went by enjoying program. I don't give a fuck about program. I want more blood. That's, I mean, that was my mentality. that was my goal I was I was dead set always

on protecting promoting and advancing my people always and like I said that second riot was chaos but it was organized chaos you know from what you see in the paperwork

from the gun tower like I said it is chaos but we had four guys over here putting down two motherfuckers we had six guys over here putting down eight motherfuckers with knives. Wow. So that's your chaos. Did you have a,

you have a knife? Oh, yeah. Yeah. And the paperwork I send you. You stab somebody? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Wow.

You got to. You have the big one or just the... A nice one. It worked. Wow. You know, send someone to hospital. Wow. It is what it is.

Yeah. Like I said, that time, I believe, it was, I want to say 15, but 11 for sure went to hospital. Wow. 11 for sure, maybe 15. That's what they got the paperwork. But I, I believe. I believe it was 15 total. Two of them were ours, you know?

Yeah. But they got knocked out. They didn't get stabber anything. Right. I mean, who gets knocked out, everybody in the riot? Damn. So in the aftermath of that, did you, I assume you got everybody went to the hole. Did you get, did you get written up for having a knife?

No. Remember, they got to catch you with, remember, C.O. Johnny has to spot you in the act and the commission of a felony. Right. And most of the time, mind you, those. seals on that yard showed me hell of respect. Yeah, half of them were bringing you cell phones in and food and cigarettes. I'm not even like, even like, even after that, right, like people were like, I met a seal. I remember when I was engaging, I seen him at a restaurant and I was already home. And I remember that day I came from a funeral, so I was dressed up. And, hey, what's up with yours?

What's up, man? Shook my hand, bought me a drink. And he was like, hey, man. We still talk about you in that environment. Yeah. And you could ask my wife. I've been at places where the gang coordinators at a bar. And walk in. I'm very, no, I know, I'm very observant. I was like, oh, shit.

There's four seals of here. Oh, wow. You know, my wife, she don't know. She don't care. Sit down. They're looking at me. I'm not tripping. I'm a free man.

And a bartender. Hey, man, here you go. Two beers. Who's this from? Turn around. And they come up to me, shake my hand, and, hey, man, how you doing? Wow. I had it like that.

Like I said, I was never a coward, never fucking depended on the cops to save me. I was myself. So when did you finally leave Salinas? Like, when did they say, okay, we got to ship this guy out? So after that second riot, they sent me to the hole, and they sent me to a new yard. It was D yard, no, the other yard on the other side. And at that time, they validated me as a prison gang member. And it was around 2014, I believe.

Validated me. Got me on some shit for this gangstuff. To get validated in prison, you got to have tattoos. You got to get caught with paperwork. Someone snitches on you. Even your crime is a point for validation. If I did a crime and the seal said that you did it for the benefit of your, you know, prison gang, they give you a point. My shit was, I could say probably when I got validated, most people in prison of my cloth, they only last two years they get validated.

Three years at most. I lasted on the main lines almost 15 years. Wow. Not just. Unheard of. Not just, you know, being a religious fanatic, praying and. staying out the way. No, I was a hunter. How many riots

do you think you were in? Fights, riots in the got 15 years you were on the mainline. I could tell you that I put hands on. I put a knife in battle against over 200

motherfuckers. You have my paperwork. I know. First riot was over 100 blacks. All those motherfuckers are my victims. You guys had 100 motherfuckers in my paperwork, I'm counting that. Everyone that had a scrape, you know, a little abrasion, a slice, those are my victims. So that was the first riot. I think it was over 100. And you've seen the pictures of the fuckering. A hundred riots. No, no, not 100 riots. And that right alone

was a hundred. How many riots were you in? One, two, three, four rights. Yeah. Were we ever worried that somebody you stab, you might accidentally kill him? No. You just didn't think. You don't think. it's, uh, stop the car up. You're going to hope, you know, you're going to get to drive and drive off. Right. Like, I knew. Because if you think, you won't react.

So my thing was, you start thinking, that's when you become weak. Right. Like, uh, the day before the riot, the first one, I called my best friend. I said, hey, uh, Fabian, you're probably not going to hear from me for a little while, right? And he was like, well, what's up, my boy? I was like, look, I'm going to handle some business. If you don't hear from me, one or two days, no, I'm okay. he's like, let me pray for you.

Don't pray for me. Pray for them, Fabian. Just pray for them that they get out of my way. And, you know, and if you don't hear from me, you know, I die with glory, bro. Like real shit. And, uh, okay.

And I would disappear after the riot, you know, it happens. Yeah. And then he was connected. You know, he would check in with his buddy, say, hell, my buddy. He's all right. All right, cool. But I remember, like, I didn't call my mom.

mom about to get down tomorrow. I didn't have a wife. I didn't have kids. So my main objective was going to that yard and tearing shit up. And I'm not saying it cavalier, but I am saying it with the perspective of my mindset at that time. Yeah. Like I entered a system of war of chaos,

of anarchy, political sabotage. Everything is in that environment. Do you think the NF, the northerners, are the most willing to use violence, or is that the Southerners? Or is it the whites? I say, so from my estimation, I say three with respect.

And in my estimation, the three prison superpowers are the Southern faction, the Northerners and whites. And I would put the others before the blacks. And the whites, when in the level fours.

White are some bad motherfuckers in California. Of course. Now, is that, are most of these guys under the umbrella of the A-B? Of course. Like I said, you own CBS, whatever company, there's always a parent company. That's how it is with us. Just because the whites don't have the brand on the yard, just because we don't have, you know, Theo on the yard goes for the same as Southerners.

Those guys are doing everything still the same. If they were on the yard or not. Like I said, what we did is what the whites do and it's what the Southerners do. But in respect to violence, the whites are with it. Like... Did you ever have to go to war with them?

Oh, yeah. Talk about that because we did kind of pass over that. Your first years in prison, like your first 10 years. Third day on the yard kicked off with the whites. They disrespected us. Sorry, what facility is this? Salinas Valley.

C-R. Okay, still Salinas. November 2000. Oh, no, no, my bad. November, November, December, 2000. That's when the riot kicked off. Because I remember I stabbed my celly after that. So, went to that riot.

Two homies. So my homie took the knife away from the white guy and used it on him. Oh, shit. And that's the guy that got stabbed, I believe, 30-something times. And even after that fact, when he went to the hospital, came back,

because he came to the hole later. That guy was like, hey, man, you're a boy. Respect. And I was like, damn. After he got stabbed 30 times. He got blasted on. With his own knife. With his own knife.

He had to be like, hey, respect. He got me. Yeah. But like I said, that was that right? That was my first introduction to organize chaos. Yeah. But man, I'm glad everything happened. The mini 14 going off was a reminder that, holy shit, I'm in prison.

Yeah. Like, mom's not here to protect you. You know, it's not going to happen. It's just you and the weapons that you have. You could either use your mind in prison or you could either use your mind in prison or you use your body or you can do both. Me, in the first years, it was, let's go to war.

You stabbed your celly? Was that the first time you ever touched somebody with a knife? I never used a knife on the streets. Right. Ever. I fought many people. I was a gun slinger. Now, coming from salinas, you're going to use... Yeah, of course. I'm in prison when you stabbed your celly. That was my first time I stabbed anybody with a prison

manufactured weapon. Tell us, why did you stab them? What happened over that? So it was January 2001. This guy pulled up. And he was already done. They already knew who he was. And mind you, I remember my boy that was there. He's like, hey, man, there's a guy that just pulled up. If he pulls up, he's all bad.

That's all right. And by chance, he pulls up to myself. And I don't have a cellie because, remember, my cellie just left in the right. My cellie got busted in the right. Right. Okay. And so I'm chilling for a couple days and this guy pulls up. And what does that mean all bad?

He's all bad. He's not good. He can't be here. His paperwork. Paperwork. Paperwork charges, whatever it is. It's all bad. Why would they let him with bad paperwork?

Why would they let him slip through and be on Mainline? So he was going home. He was coming from Corcoran and he only had like three weeks to the house, maybe a month. So he thought he was going to slide by and get out. And this is what happened. As soon as he pulled up, my boy was like from San Jose, like, hey man, this guy's have to go. So make sure, you know, you got to do what you got to do to keep them comfortable because they wanted someone else to do it. Like I said, I've already pulled up to that yard. I was

not even a year in prison yet. And I was getting visits every weekend. I was from Salinas. I was getting visits Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, female on Friday, maybe a cousin on Thursday, a different chick on Saturday, whoever, family, friends. Like I said, I was doing everything I was supposed to be doing as a young soldier. So I was liked by the upper management. And even when that happened, he's like, hey, brother, we're going to let someone else do it on the tier. I was like, fuck, that's dangerous. Like, I was like, I'll do it. Nah, no, no, no.

It's like, just kick back. I was like, no, I'm living with this guy. Like, you just told me he has to go. And that just changes the whole dynamics. Like, I'm living with trash. I can't do it. They're like, bro, three days. Live with them for three days is an eternity.

And mind you, I didn't have to do it. I don't regret it. and I remember getting everything ready to go to the hole because I knew what I was going to do. So I had canteen, package, you know, all that. I started giving my food away. I started giving everything away. And we were the only manpower in that section.

So we had to wait to two other people to come in downstairs and not to lose that pot. So as soon as they came in, it was like on a Monday, Tuesday. Oh, boy, was like, you know, you got it? I'm like, yeah, I'm probably going to hit them. And they wanted to know the details. They wanted me to hit them on the, the tier.

I was like, hell no, they're going to shoot me, bro. Like. They shoot you on the tier inside of the building? They, so on a 180. How does that work? Yeah, so. Yeah, explain this. Gun tower in a 180 design, it's like a half circle.

Right. A 180 design is broken into three pots. You have a pod, B pot, and C pot. Usually it's one through cell 10, sell 10 to 20 in B pot, and 20 to 32 in C pot. There's always one bigger pot. Right. Okay. But then you, it's,

outdoors? No, indoors. So how can the gun tower... There's a gun tower right there. Inside of the building. He opened a window up and give you... Wow. Give you some lead. Yeah, I mean, it happens. So, like, one thing I knew, I didn't want to get shot in prison. Right. He's like, I'll stab a motherfucker, but on my terms. And I told, I told, because I remember I had a visit with him. He's like, what are you going to do?

He was telling me how to set it up. I was like, no, if I do it, I want to do it my way. It's like, how you want to do it in the cell? I was like, and remember, ask anybody, any prison expert, I heard someone on the podcast say this. The hardest thing for someone to do in prison is stabbed or silly. Because one, you're going to get caught. One, you get caught, the DA is picking up. Three, what about that guy overpowers you? What about if you become the victim?

And mind you, the guy that pulled up to myself, he was a healthy motherfucker. Yeah. He was about 220 prison solid, healthy. Norteno? Yeah, Nortillo. He was one of us. And the first couple of days, you know, making him feel comfortable. And he was telling stories about, man, I remember knocking this motherfucker out.

I was like, fuck, we're going to battle in here. Little does he know who I am, you know? And did you like him as a person? I couldn't like him because right away, I knew who he was, what they told me about him. And this is what got to me. I was using the restroom. And I grabbed his paperwork. You know, they pass out paperwork to the mail.

So I grabbed his paperwork. at a curtain and I started reading his thing. I was like, man, you're sick motherfucker. He was a... He had some fucked up charges on it, but he also had a charge with a, with a female. He lied about it. He started to say he was 17.

Right. My motherfucker was like 25. So he had a jacket. He had a lot of shit on his jacket. He had a lot of shit on his jacket. In prison and on the streets. Okay. Why they didn't check it in his county jail

goes to show that county jails where he was from are different. If you go to Monterey County, San Jose, Santa Clara, T.C. They run a very tight, organized, structured jail.

Other jails, not so much. I see. So he slipped through the cracks. He slipped through the cracks somewhere along the line, cool. And he also slipped through the cracks. He was in a riot. And basically what he did, he told. I was like, I read it. I seen it. I was like, that

wasn't the main thing of it. It was his charges and other shit he did. But that ends up on your paperwork. If you tell in prison, how does that get to your paperwork? one of the paperwork you have in mind that'll ask you any comment and you say no, he made a comment and it was not the best comment.

He pretty much gave up information they already have, but you shouldn't be saying these things. So what he did, he fucked up on his own. But that wasn't the main purpose. He had a bunch of shit on him. Okay. So when it came time to get him,

remember, I just got my packages. I was doing okay. How are you feeling? Are you scared? I wasn't scared I was nervous though Like this is a new This is a new territory for me

Yeah So I remember How'd you get the knife? So when I started doing Getting rid of all my shit The homies like Pick up the knife when you're ready Because uh

Technically they wanted me to do it on Monday Because they thought I was gonna wait for visit Go to visit Saturday and Sunday I was like man I can't I can't wait It was already like eating me up I'm really lived with them for a couple days but it was already too much.

So I remember I'm getting ready, get all my paperwork, shit ready, what I could take to the hole, what I could give away. I remember giving all my bags of canteen. And I remember telling my name... Does he notice that at all? He's an idiot.

So what happened was I had tobacco, and he used to draw, and he walked in, and you know, he was cool, and I didn't know who he was, and he was right away, within a couple hours, I knew who he was. Hey, this guy, it's like, fuck, it's all good.

So I showed him the most... respect I could give him for someone like him. Made him feel comfortable. I fed him. I'm doing my thing. And he noticed it. So I told my neighbor, I shot him a kite. He was from Oakland.

I remember. Cool, cool cat. I said, hey, I'm going to shoot you some stuff. Get on the vent and be like, hey, Spider, you got that 50 bucks? You got that 40? Whatever. Just go along with it.

He's okay. On the vent. Hey, Spider, right? What's up? Hey, man. You got that 50 bucks? Oh, yeah. I'll get it ready.

Mind you. I'm getting a bag. ready. And he said, what happened? He lost the gamble. I said, no, the Homeboy's birthday is coming up. We're going to throw a big old spread. Oh, what's up?

And one thing he told me, I felt bad later. He said, hey, man, you're he he hell of generous. He told me that because I was just giving away everything. I'm going to show you how generous I am. Dude, it's all my head. I mean, five extra stabs. No, so I was getting all my stuff ready. And mind you, it was pretty like Tuesday, Wednesday.

And I couldn't wait to Monday. The only thing I regret in prison is this moment. I could have waited because my grandma was just to prove to visit me. And she was supposed to come that weekend. I was just like, I can't. Like I had to do it. I did a Friday morning. I could have waited Saturday, but I didn't.

So long story short, I started giving away my stuff. And he was an artist. So hey, man, do me a favor. Do a car for the homie's birthday. Oh, yeah, yeah. I said, we're going to have a big old spread. And I said, but you can't. smoking myself because he wanted to smoke.

So it was like, we go to shower, bro. I'll give you 10 cigarettes. Smoke all you want in the shower. Just don't bring that. Because I got respiratory. I was like, oh, okay, cool. I just don't want that smell of myself. I was making them comfortable. We're getting tobacco. Let him eat fat for three days. I was like, damn up hill. This food is cat back watch. And then the day of it,

Thursday night, I told all me tomorrow. Just let me the peace. I was like, and whatever they told me, man, be safe. You know, What kind of steel was it? So at that time, it was, uh, they put, they fasten a plastic knife with a boot nail. You know, a boot.

Okay. So in prison, you know, uh, CDC boots, they got nails where they tack them in to the rubber. Uh-huh. So they pull those out, sharpen them, and they put them into a plastic piece. You could put two nails, three nails, four nails. So they shot me a piece. So it was literally nails you're stabbing them with. Yeah.

Oh, shit. There's a plastic piece with a boot nails. Okay. I remember, all right, it is what it is. And you're coming back from wherever? No, I was in the shower. Okay. I was, we're on lockdown.

Remember, we're just, we're on lockdown for the rights, though. Right. So I'm running the tear during shower time, getting all this food situated. And the homies are downstairs. And, you know, they know what's going on. Yeah. They're like, you know, hey, man, you're going to wait to Monday? Nah, fuck down.

I'm going to get him tomorrow. Like, no, hey, man, good luck. So they slided to you. So they already shot it to me from B-Pot. Got it. And they shot it to me and I went downstairs. I told me, tomorrow morning I'm going to fucking blast them. I was like, I'm going to send you some food later, whatever I had, whatever I had left.

So I remember going back to the cell and like, man, longest prison day of my life. I didn't sleep when, you know, I'm writing little notes, you know, to take to the whole, like addresses, phone numbers, messages. my cell, he's snoring. He's a snorer. And he's that type of guy that sleeps with a towel on his face. And I was like, man, what's this guy doing? But I remember, like, that whole night, I'm up walking, slow pacing. He's out.

I was like, this fool doesn't have no idea that I'm about to light his ass up. And I wasn't scared, but I had a strategy. I said, fuck, if I do it in the cell, I'm going to get caught, obviously. But the only is like, dude, you got to flush that. weapon. All right. So in CDC they got a night watch. They come out, they come around every couple hours, do count. They come around, I believe 10 o'clock, and they leave at six in the morning. So that whole night, I'm up. I'm just like, TV's low. I'm just like, I thought it got ADD or something, you know, I'm just pacing to myself. He's asleep. He's out. He has no idea what's going on.

So, uh, 3 o'clock, I'm watching like some reruns on the TV, just, taking a deep breath, pacing, trying to get centered, you know? And then about 445, the flashlight, see what walks by, goes to cell 202, 201, and he exits the building, door shuts.

I get up, and watch the tower, opens the door, and I got like, all, bye, whatever they say. And now, now it's, you know, not scared, but maybe, nervous. I mean, if a man's going to say he did a drive-by shooting, he wasn't scared, come on, there's something going on in your body, emotions, whatever. I was feeling something,

but more importantly, I was feeling like, I need to do this now. Like, you're done, homie. So he's on the top bunk. And I remember I tried to wake him up the first time. He did not, I was like, holy, man, bro, you're, you're messing this up for me. You're getting me nervous now. So I remember, he's like, dude, he's snoring. Did you wake up? I got to stab you. I try to be respectful. Like, I don't want to stab him when he's sleeping. That's like, you know, some bit shit, you know? And he has his towel on his face.

Oh, my bad. He has a towel on his face. I was like, man, try to stab him in his face? I thought about that right there. Like, but he's protected by his towel. So I wake up and he's getting up slow. Like, he makes a big old grunt and it's pitch dark in the cell. The back window's covered up, and I covered the front windows.

I covered the one by the restroom and I put the curtain up. I want steel. look in yourself. He got three windows. From his vantage point, he has a good view. Especially myself. I was in 203, perfect. So I'm getting them up, get up. And he's fucking taking forever. I was like, gee, are you serious, bro?

Like, you need to get stabbed up already. Hurry up, bro, wake up. And he's, oh, he's getting up slow. I was like, bro, it's program time. He's like, what? And mind you, it was barely 450. About that, I remember. It's the longest hour of my life.

So I wake him up. I was like, this month. He's taking forever. So I stand on the On the There's a locker On that locker my bad There's a bench Where you're a desk and a stool

I stand on the stool And I have my piece like this I'm just waiting from the pull his towel down And he's taking forever I'm like man It's about two or three minutes Maybe longer He's getting out pitch dart

Like a piece of shit Hurry up and wake up motherfucker And finally he's like Oh you know doing his stretch And as soon as he's moving that towel I just said Boom I caught him in the chest, boom

And he screams like, you know, he's startled. Yeah. But he gives it out of this, this roar. I'm like, it scares me a little bit. Like, shut the fuck up, fool, trying to stab you. And then he's like, what the fuck? And I just started, boom, boom, I started going at it. And he's, you know, now he's trying to block it in.

And I just started, whoa, I'm going crazy now. Now it's on, motherfucker. I'm trying to take you out. So play by the rules, you know? Yeah. You can fight back or are not. And I thought he was going to fight back. His whole stories were knocking people out.

I seen his paperwork. This guy was, at one time, you know, did his shit. He was no punk. But I had to do it. Woke him up. As soon as he moved that, I caught him. Boom. Started stabbing him neck, face, head, eye.

And then he's blocking. And I'm catching him in the arm. And I remember just going for like the killer shot. Hit him in the head and the knife breaks. The knife breaks in half. And you know when plastic cracks, I'm holding the handle And I said, what the

Holy crap, this is not cool And he's on the- Did the knife penetrate him? Yeah, oh yeah. Sharp enough to go. Oh yeah, it pierced him. Yeah, like, it didn't pierce his head because, you know,

obviously the craniums a little harder than the flesh, but I remember like, I was just trying to stab him everywhere. Yeah. Got eye, ear, whatever, but I remember somehow I got him in the head and the knife just cracked. So, and I heard it,

I was like, damn it. So, I can't stop him with this, a piece of plastic. So now it's on. I threw that little piece on the floor, and I started bombing on him. So he's like, still protecting, kicking.

And I couldn't really, at an advantage point, I couldn't do much. I'm on a stool. He's at an elevated position. I'm just throwing, you know, some body shots. So hell no. I ground by his feet and is off the bunk, and he hits the floor. Boom! Knocks out.

He knocks out for about 20 seconds. He's out. I grabbed the piece and I flush it. I'm looking for the tip. I turned the light on real quick. I had to do it. I turned the light on. He's like, what the fuck's going on?

I found it. I flush it now. He's trying to go under the bunk. I pull him back out. I just started giving it to him. I'm talking about at least 40 minutes, resting water, two Snickers break.

My arms were swollen meats, you know? They couldn't put the cuffs on me. So I just, I would rack them up. beat him down for five minutes there. He was always trying to go under the bunk. And he was like, he was trying to talk about it still. What the fuck did I do? I was like, you know what you did, motherfucker?

So, mind you, it's 550. Seals are coming to work now because they start shift change at six. And I'm drenched. There's blood everywhere now. Like, he's leaking air. I'm like, and I don't like blood. You know, who does? And I'm like, I can smell the blood.

If that makes sense, I can smell like, like wet, hot iron. That's right. And I'm familiar with it, but it's overwhelming. That time, I'm like, man. So I started giving the business again. I'm talking about multiple rounds. I paused, drink some water. At one time, I even ate a Snickers bar.

I'm going to eat a fucking snickers. He's under the bunk hiding. Going back out, pulling back out, leg shots, side shots, whatever I get. And then he's screaming. About $5.50, he starts screaming. So I'm trying to drag him out. Start stomping on him. and I pull him out.

Oh, that's why I tell, all right, come on. It's all good. I'll let you get out. I told him, I said, let me get out. Come on, get out. He gets up, knock him out. Drop him again, and this time, his head's bleeding.

There's blood everywhere. And I'm, like, saturated with wet blood. And he's screaming, finally, like, shiftings come. Seals, the tower's like, hey, man, something's going on. So the seal comes to the door. Oh.

You took the... No, I'm still... blocked on my window side. I have a current. This time the current already ripped down because we're fighting. Right. Whatever happens. But we're going at it and he's screaming making noise. He's hitting the floor. Anything to get, you know, attention.

I'm like, what a bitch, you know? Like, come on, let's go at it. So he's making a bunch of noise and finally that the, the oncoming seal comes on our door, but he doesn't have his mace or anything yet because he just walked in the building and the towers, hey, man, you go check whatever. He goes, oh shit. He takes off. to go get a spray to get whatever they got to get.

And I'm like, fuck it. I started banging out again. And finally they come. They hit you with the pepper spray? No. That's how I'm done. Yeah. Like, gassed.

Adrenaline's, you know, getting me through. But I'm prone out. I didn't pro now. I, I, I, emit Morales. My bad. She didn't even say his name, but fuck him. They take him out. He crawls out.

And I remember he's crawling out. Like, sips on the blood. That's all bloody with. I gave him like a kick. Get the fuck out of here. They cuff them up, take them out, they closed the door. And the best thing I did

was while I was waiting, they gave me a couple minutes because two COs took him. And remember, it's early in the morning. The shift hasn't even started yet. So they left for a couple minutes. I take off my clothes. I flush them in the toilet.

I grab a towel. I'm just trying to clean as much as I can. It's blood everywhere. I couldn't get, you know, the top bunk, but I'm disgusting, bro. I got the towel. I'm like in a toilet. I'm trying to clean up as much as I can.

No crime scene. So I do that. It can turn. They come up. I flush my, my, my, uh, my boxers. That's all I had on boxers and some shoes. No boots. I changed my socks, fresh pair of boxes, but I still had like, you know,

residue blood here and there. And, uh, they take me out. And, uh, they take me up front to the program office. And I said, everything works out in my favor that day. So when they opened, when they started, program that day for that building. My neighbor was a southerner. He was a porter and they left my door open. And what he did, you know, when you're a porter, you pass out trades and you're with a mop and all that. That's right. You got the mop. So I'm in the back hours waiting. This is about 11 o'clock. Remember,

I did this at 5-4.45 is when we started. They pulled me out of the cell about 615. It's an hour of of combat. Combat's a way to put it. So when I go to the program office, They start running packages, you know, modified program. My neighbor comes, hey, I got you. Took care of that. And I didn't know what he meant. I didn't take care of that. I didn't get it, whatever, and I didn't get it.

Long story short, I'm still waiting, and I remember a squad comes to me. You know, the investigators, hey, what happened? Nothing happened. What's fucking talking about? And then another guy comes in, he's like confused. Hey, you're the one that fucking cell 203? He's like, yeah. And I remember him yelling at another officer, who cleaned that cell?

Like, who cleaned that cell? I was like, we haven't did a crime inventory yet. You know, when something happens in prison, they have a whole prisoncy aside. They take pictures and all that. So what happened was my neighbor came out. He's a porter. He had a mop bucket and broom and all that. And what he did, he hit myself with the bucket.

swept up all the red blood, drained it right there. And did as much as he. can, could to help me out. And I didn't know that until months later he came to the hole. He said, hey, how does that work out? He was like, bro. He's like, hey, I cleaned yourself for you. So they shot you to the hole. Shot me to the hole. And you never, you never got, it never got referred to the DA. Or they didn't pick it up. So they didn't pick it up for a few reasons. One, they had a weapon, fleshed it. Two, the crime scene was tampered with. Right. I, I cleaned as much blood as I could. But like I said, you don't have time. I changed. I was clean. Like even in my

mugshot prison pictures, no marks, no blood. I was all wet, you know? Yeah. But the thing that I think really helped me was that southerner getting that mop and literally clean up the crime scene. And when he pulled up to the hole, oh man, I got you. Wow. What you need, you know? Wow. So like I said, that worked out in my favor. So how long? Oh my God, that's intense. how, so I mean, after that, the management is loving you. Which, well, my people? Yeah. So when that happened, remember, we're at war with the whites still.

They kicked me out to a PC hole, not knowing what happened. Because this guy's going home in three weeks, and who knows what he's saying. But I remember he came back from the hospital. And I'm in a cell next to the shower and the sales, hey, your buddy's back. I'm like, I got a buddies. It's all, it's all trash in there. You know, they don't know what's going on. They don't know if he's bad or if I'm bad.

So I'm chilling in the PCO for like, man, months. Like, it's horrible there. Bulldogs, PCs, all that. Well, that guy, he comes back from the hospital. A couple days later. And the CEO goes, hey, your buddy wants to talk to you. I was like, I got no buddy's there. And it's him.

He's coming from medical. He has a cast on, like a sling. He's bandaged to fuck up. Neck head, everywhere head. Like, I was like, okay, cool. I did that. Because of myself, hey, What happened?

I was like, I'm going to do you a favor. You're a piece of shit? That's what it is. And I read him his sister's address. I read him his mom's address, and I read him his paperwork address that he had when he got arrested. So how do you want to do this?

You can say whatever you want, but I promise you this, my people will avenge me if you want to go tell. And I read him his mom's address, the sister's address. Because when he was my celly, he got a letter. So when I grabbed it, I wrote the address down.

Just, you know, want to play dirty? I'm going to play dirty too. And sure enough, I read him as sister's address. He's all, I just want to go home. I said, go home then. Wow. So he never told. Never told.

In this credit, I'll give him that, you know? Yeah. I give him that. Yeah. But I did threaten him, I did have his mom's sister and one more address. And I told him how you want to do it. Wow. How long were you in the hole for after that?

That time I did a little over two years total. In the hole? In the hole. What is the difference between the hole and the shoe? So the hole is basically the jail within the jail. All right. the shoe is security housing unit. You only go there if you're a threat to institution,

meaning you're a gang member, shock caller type shit, or you stab someone, or you stab staff, or you do something violent. Because everything is based on a system of terms. You stab someone, you're going to get two years,

three years, or five years. That was my first one, so I got, you're supposed to be given two years, and then you get the midterm and shit like that unless you get a write-up. So I was in the PC hole for a couple months, and then I finally went,

to the ad sake where all the brothers were at, got there, embraced me like, what's up, where you've been at? Man, I got a story to tell. They didn't even trip. They were waiting for me. They knew I was good. You know, gave me my, I guess,

my, my acknowledgement. Because there's a system of checks and balances in prison. You could be everything you say you are, but if you don't have the resume to back it up, sit down. You know? And I knew I arrived because, one, I did this in the cell.

Every person I blasted in prison, I never needed another motherfucker out of me. Usually, you know, when she goes down to politics, when they got to take you off the yard, it's like three motherfuckers on you. Three knives on you, you're getting poke from everywhere. I gunned him down in the cell, and that was my very first introduction to, you know, gang violence.

Yeah. And I know I did it in the most, I guess, flagrant way. Flagrant or most powerful way to make a statement. I did an in-cell. I risked my freedom. I could have got hurt. So many factors. I did it. Felt good after it. Never felt bad for him. Do you ever remember, were there any other times where you had to take out somebody with a knife that's like memorable? Where you're like, man, he really deserved it. Not on the yard,

like in isolation. So one thing I could say about me, so after you commit self-violetism, you don't get a cellie. Right. Because you're a fucking, they call it a violent predator. And they'll keep you on a program for four years. And you got to act like me. I don't want to sell you.

Why would I want to sell you for? I'm living cool, comfortable. I'm not smelling another man's body odor. I'm not hearing another man stress off his lady, his kids, or the letter he didn't get or something. So I lived in myself, by myself,

comfortable for years. And I enjoyed it. Everybody's like, man, how did you get single self-satisfying? Go stab your silly. Yeah. That's how you do it.

Oh, fuck this guy. It's crazy. Yeah. But it worked out for me in so many ways because knowing the way I am, like I would have bumped his with most of my cellies only because a lot of these guys don't have standards. Like me, I knew what I had to do to make it back home if that was an option. And my only goal was to make it back home to my mother with mind and body intact. And like I said in the story, I told my mom, I'm, I'm,

always going to be, always, always going to be the suspect. Do you know what that means? She had tears in the eyes. And my Pops right there. My Pops is a very humble man. And I told my Pops right there, hey, Pops, I want to thank you. Because you taught me a skill set that's going to save my life in there. My father is an Olympic boxing coach. He's, he's trained many, many pro athletes on the big stage. And he's a humble guy, you know? And I told me Pops, I'm going to be okay because of you. It's like, I might have not, you know, took key to the lessons you gave me,

but that skill set that you help me develop, I'm going to be all right. And he didn't want to hear that. But at the same time, as a man, and he calls me Gaitho, guyo. Yeah, a little rooster, yeah. And they always called me that since I was a kid.

I always grew up fighting. Remember, I got older brothers, older cousin. I was always fighting with them. I would go to the gym and box and everything to do all this. I was always fighting. And I told Pops, that your Gaito's going to be okay. and I know he wanted to cry.

And I was like, don't do it because you do it, you're going to make me cry. And he's always giving me that respect and he held it in. And ironically, you actually got some good time. Never got a good time. Well, you got out. I mean, you did how long, total? I did almost 18 years. Okay, so you did the whole, yeah.

Tell us how you got out. So I, first, so when you do an A1, A offense, you're maxed out after that. Okay. That's the fact. So you figured you were just going day for day. I went day for day. The first, after January 11th, that's when I stopped my side. On January 11th, I was all in.

So after that, when you have an EPRD, it's like early possible release date, they bumped it up to the full max, minus like two months. So I was like, well, it's two months. And then sometimes you could get it back, but you got to be clean for one year. You know how hard that is in prison? Yeah. So I would lose the remaining good time I had was like six months. Come on, I could play with six months.

But my, in my mindset, I said, if I have to do every fucking day in this bitch and go home, normal, I'll do it. But during 2015, the law started changing. They started giving inmates milestone credits for programming on, like, not programming per se, but doing education, computer classes, signing up for rehab shit. I was like, bro, that's. That's not for me. But I will do that class to get out a month earlier. So when I got to the Bay, that was the only time I had a shot, like, in a classroom setting. At that time, everybody was, you know, not at war.

They weren't at peace, but they weren't war anymore. You know, all the guys started coming out from the shoe in 2015, 16, and they were on the yard with us. I left Pelican Bay shoe with, like, two top dogs, you know? two of us made it to the main line and three made it to the whole ever facing like another charge but like I said I was there when prison was prison

I wasn't there with the changing times now and I'm glad I'm not because I was already itching to leave that environment I was like man I might be going home in two months that's the hardest two months of your life longest two months yeah

I was only on the line for maybe seven months It was kickback, you know, for me. John, I'm hearing there, not for me. But, man, I was just thinking already. I could smell the food I wanted to eat. I could taste, you know, the dreams I've been having. But I was like, I was always worried about one thing. I was like, man, I bet you I'm going to parole,

and there's going to be someone at the gate to take me right. But I always thought that. Because remember, I got validated for something, and they could have hit me with that charge. What did you get validated for? One of them was attempted murder on someone. So they could have easily... What happened there?

Politics. What happened was someone got too big for, you know, the program. And they thought they became, you know, a John Gotti type motherfucker. Someone within the NF. No, no, someone within my prison. Okay. And, you know, we're all Northenio's on this yard. Right.

But someone must want to be the biggest and brightest Northenio there and call shot. That's cool, bro. Do what you got to do. But don't think. For a moment, you're going to fucking get me out of the way so you can feel safe. So what happened was someone tried to plot on me. It's all facts. Okay?

I kicked back for a second. And I didn't play chess with these guys. Chess is a game. I became the chessboard. I utilized all my pieces as weapons. I strategize accordingly. I acted in the manner that I was taught. I was professional.

But at the same time, I'll be damned if this little punk motherfucker's going to tell me something, especially what I've done and what I've been doing. He was planning to have you run off the yard. Oh, he tried for a second, for a mere second, for a mere second. You know, he had a little power for a week. And like I said, communications everything. Call the right people up. Made a phone call.

They called that prison. Spider, do your thing. So, long story short, those three motherfuckers that try to plot against me, had them all, I had all of them hit. I had those, the same motherfucker that tried to hit me, I had him hit his homie.

Like, you want to play motherfucker? So when he hit him, he rolled it up in the hole. Let's see. When this guy got hit, he rolled it up too. And the third guy,

he rolled it up on the streets. So I was like, you guys came after me. And you didn't have to touch any of them. You got other people to do it? They got themselves to do it. I didn't do nothing. The way it happened was,

if you're going to do something like that, so Cavalier and, attempt to take a good brother out, there's consequences. You don't know who I know. You don't know what I am. And you don't know what I'm capable of. Obviously, you know what I did in this prison and you're jealous of it. Like I said, I was a rock star in that prison.

Like, the stuff I got caught with doesn't happen, bro. I was having homemade meals from the streets. Think about that. So you didn't have to stab these dudes. They stout himself. What does that mean? They did themselves. Whatever policy they tried or whatever regulation they tried to enforce on me to their

benefit came right back at him. I'm seeing when they got when they had to roll up you didn't have to do it. You said no, I didn't do it. So that's my question. You know, so me personally, I didn't do it. But there was other brothers raised their hand that wanted to do that specific one because they were there with that guy before me. When I got there, that guy was like I said, he thought he was a, you know, something special. And I get it. You know, when you're in a position of delegating manpower, you got to have an eagle. But you also had to have a resume to back it up. you got to have the foresight and the education to be everything my prison professors taught me

and this guy's resume was weak so when he went against me like I said I didn't play chess I became the board and I told myself I'm gonna blast the shit out of you watch in my head there was a number of people on that yard my old cellie from the right he was on that yard so when I got there he was like hey man these fools are hating on you it's cool yeah my back you know a couple of guys already gave me weapons

Like I said, I'm not supposed to have all this, but there was other brothers there that were like, man. This guy's full of shit. And I said, don't get involved. It's cool. I could take care of myself. I'm a big boy. So I could either play his little dirty game of politics or I could go to someone like a Thiel that knows me. Hey, Theo, check us out.

I got a question for you. What's up? Talked it out. Boom. Okay, cool. Green light? Green light. You know?

So you got all three of them hit at the same time? I made one hit him. Remember two hits? I met, you know, they're best friends on the yard. So I made those two motherfuckers hit each other. And the other one got scared and he rolled it up, the third one. Wow. You know, so fortunate.

And did they tell? Is that why you almost got a temp murder charge? Oh, no. The prison charges did you for attempt to murder. But how do they know it was you that ordered it? So I didn't order it. You know, I did, I had a, you know, my. manpower, I would utilize them for the right reasons. If I'm making a decision, I'm the type of

person that wants to be sure that the education I have matches up to the experience and the protocol I should be following. So anything I would do, I didn't have to at times, I would bring other brothers into the mix. Check us out. This is the situation. Can I get your advice on this matter? This is what I'm thinking of doing. Are you in accordance with that or not? Cool. And I don't need those people. But I'm giving them the information that is required for them to know that it's about to go down. All the checks and balances are there. I don't need your opinion, but I'm asking you as another brother on this yard, what would you do? And we all talked about it, and the vote was easy. And there was no no-nose. All right, cool. And there was guys on that yard. My brother's

like, no, I want to take them out. Relax. You know, shit. We got it. I'm going to have these two dumb fucks do each other watch. And it was all good all the way around. Like I said, my buddies, I forgot about the story. My buddy called me three months, four months ago in prison.

And that same prison. I said, hey, fucking spider. Is it all, did you do this and that? I was like, oh shit, I did. I forgot about it. Shit like that. I don't think about all that shit I did every day, but a move like that,

I was cunning. I planned accordingly and I was disciplined. I could have got off on the yard like, no, you're going to fucking do me dirty. I could have bitched him own. No, no, I was respectful. And I followed the protocol that was given to me the very first moment I stepped in prison.

And it worked out for me. That's a hell of a political answer. Well, Spider, we're glad you're home. Me too. Glad you're living peaceful now. Raising a beautiful family. still in Salinas. Still and Salinas.

Was never scared to go back. And most people were like, why would you go back to the very community that is Salinas? It wasn't that I didn't have options. And I'm glad everything worked out because I was supposed to go somewhere else

to another state. When I was coming up for, you know, finally to get released, they ask you. Yeah, family here and there. And I didn't want to stay with my cousins. I don't want to be that guy. I didn't have a wife.

I didn't want to stay with my homies. I had a list, you know, that I wanted to follow. And I still had that to this very day. And I was like, man, I'm going to go back to Salinas. Like, this is my town. If I survived prison out here, I survived the streets when I was out there. I could survive it again. Because this time I'm more disciplined.

I'm more aware of consequences. Don't get me wrong. My wife and I have been places where, you know, she had to see me knock some motherfuckers out. But I didn't start it. Like, I do everything with caution. I don't want to be that person living a good life, telling you a story.

And then, hey, man, Louis just got arrested for doing some dumb ass shit. That ain't me. I control my emotions. I'm not a drug addict because I think drug addicts and alcoholics, they don't control themselves. They're not in control of their body and mind. And I always been a person that wanted to be in control of everything, especially myself, not in control of the situation, but myself.

And if I'm doing that, I'm okay. Like, I'm not responsible for you. I used to tell one of my teachers she used to visit me, a nice lady. She doesn't get a nice white lady. And I used to tell her, look, I'm not in control what this man wants to do to me. Do you understand that? She's like, well, you know, she's a white lady.

Nice lady. Well, you can tell the guards. No, it doesn't work like that. Like, I got to live here. And if I got to live here, I'm going to live on my terms. And, of course, they don't want to hear that. My parents don't want to hear it, but when I finally came home, I told, hey, I'm here. No scar on me, ma'am.

No blemish. It's remarkable. How many guys do you think going into high-level California prisons with the time that you had and part of the clique, the gang that you're a part of, whether it's, you know, Sorreinos or, you know, A, B, dudes, whoever. How many actually make it out? So that's what I say. I represent the super minority.

Those of us that do 20 plus years in a level four environment, it's hard. You got to factor in that you have to live in that environment for 20 years. It's remarkable to get through it 10 years, but to reach a 20-year mark, people start giving up.

Their mind starts betraying them. By then, they're miserable. They might not have anybody. parents are dead girlfriend left a long time ago kids hate them so their world is that environment yeah and i get it but i say the number that come out in good standings with an impressive resume less than 10 percent yeah i mean i just there's more pc prisons than yards in california than active yards that's a fact yeah i talk to a bunch of my ceo buddies all the time and i say man got a question and they're like nope pc's are the dominant force

know. I get it. And I mean, it's hard all the way around to do time, but to do time with backstabbers, conniving motherfuckers, drug addicts, degenerates, that's not easy. I mean, the state of California, their politics and the way everything is divided and separated is from what I hear is unlike anything in the world. Well, we'll jump over to the bonus to talk a little bit more about that and catch up with what you're doing now. Um, Louie, Spider-Man, that was a movie. Thank you so much. You really graced us today. I appreciate it. Thank you. You want to shout out Salinas. You want people to follow you anywhere? You got social media? I got social media, but like I said, I'm doing something different. Yeah.

And I'll be back to teach a master lesson about survival later, but I'm doing good things right now. Yeah, you are. No, like I got some good things lining up and people don't know what I'm doing. That's what's cool about it, you know? Luis Gietierrez. Can I say your last name? Yeah, good. Luis Gittierrez, aka Spider, Oralee, Holmes. What other, Johnny? Appreciate that, guys.

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