The Connect- with Johnny Mitchell - Cartel Hitman Reveals How The Jalisco New Generation Cartel Turned Him Into A Professional Sicario

Episode Date: July 7, 2025

"David"—a former sicario for the Cártel Jalisco Nueva Generación (CJNG)—shares his harrowing journey into one of the most dangerous cartels in Mexico. From being recruited via TikTok to experiencing brutal military-style training, live executions, and deadly shootouts, David opens up about the psychological toll, the violence, and ultimately, his escape. -Recruitment via social media -Life inside CJNG training camps -Execution orders and internal punishment -Gunfights with rival cartels and military forces -Escaping the cartel and living with guilt -Reflections on trauma, redemption, and starting over Check out Johnny on the road! For tour dates visit https://www.micdropcomedy.com/ This Episode Is #Sponsored By The Following: AVA! Download the Ava app today, and when you join using my promo code CONNECT, you’ll get your first month FREE! This offer is only for MY listeners. BETTERHELP! As the largest online therapy provider in the world, BetterHelp can provide access to mental health professionals with a diverse variety of expertise. Our listeners get 10% off their first month at https://betterhelp.com/connect Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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of my wife, and my mom. And there was where I made the question, what are you? Devon the man to those who want to be sicarious. And I kept thinking, three seconds, I went to the hand.

And I went to the hand. And I said, This young man will call David. He's wearing a mask and using a fake name because he's still being monitored by his former employer, the Halisco New Generation Cartel,

the largest and most powerful criminal organization in Mexico. David is only 20 years old. He's still a kid, but the time he spent as a cicario with the Cjng was more violent and traumatizing than most real soldiers experience in sanctioned wars for their countries. The stories you were about to hear are the most unbelievable things ever told on this podcast. But after spending time in Halisco and talking to other Cicadio's soldiers and people familiar with the CJNG, I can assure you they are all true. What happened to David happens to thousands of young men and women in Mexico every day. Enjoy.

Very a type of military. Why? Because the commandant of that schoolita was a ex-militar. Incluso, also, also, we gaseer. We got us gassed. We made like three minutes there. Inal it all, and I felt that I don't mourn. Fuego, me ensued to death. In my trainingment, they were to, two administrators myos. They were to take to the camp of the fire, and they put them to the black. here in Halisco,

well known by the cartel most Polaroso of Mexico obviously

and you want to get a money as you need to how you get to

get to someone to get to get in the organization or how how it

comes? Look this, this, so, I'm talking to be more than

a year he was very very de moda that reclutababed By the media

social. The Facebook or TikTok or how are you in? In certain? I said, I'm still to say, I'm still today

to-day-day-day-day. I was trying, a day normal I'm thinking in how how to pay that money. And me

got a offer. And, and what they do you do. They're playing with your mind. They're

people intelligent. Why? Because they they use the marketing. And what they use in the

photo? Camionettes, cars, arms. And you put, you want, you're doing,

in the four letters? And all the people, all the people here know what the

four letters. C, J, N, hey. I go so. I go

so. The cartel Halisco New Generation. So I see that And I go Well,

Yes, I want I want to work Why? Because I mean Me, I'm going to Pinted up different in the video.

Okay? I'm a message to this person And I go, Hey, I want to work And the first The first question

What I'm Do you To your to the Central Camionera New from Howisco? What do?

And I'm about 30 minutes okay in 30 minutes you know I'm okay

me a location specific I'm I'm I'm I'm

I'm I'm okay and and of another number new

me mark oh yeah I'm I'm I'm in a car

black black Kia with placas right no, with placas a delante and

without and without okay passed 20 minutes 30 minutes 40 one hour

and I don't want to pass for me and what I said I said it will be

so it's rapid I'm going to do my chel my coat and gorele

yeah but no I that I said me I was of my my wife,

of my mother. I went to get that car, he had a other reclutated

another man. One is 15, 16, 16 years more than I'm more chico than I

go to the back to the part of the and he he was very nervous I was

so I was so I was so I'm not so I don't know

I'd have been I had been I was too nervous and like

he said, no, I don't want to but he can't get in the gasolinerer

to go to the bathroom to go to the panza. No, no, we're going to get

to get there. All you and the was very nervous too too too.

I was running and brought a a bolsa and was like seeing seeing

and the people being all all I'm I know

that was that was what he And there in that Bolesa that there was a

short, fastenely. I think that was what I was it was for protection. I have

known in carteras alled at Guadajara Okay? We'd we'd for

that carter and we said agache in the head okay

the agache and I I, for a little bit of my eye, I I'd be there and I

knew where I was, I knew, and I knew where I and I was there. So,

these, these, these morros that, that, they sequestraron, this was permitted

of the cartel? No. I want to know, look, because this, this type of

things, sequestrand, sequestras, and all that. It would be prohibited for the cartel. The extorsions. Exactly.

Devere to be prohibited. It's been to be. No. So, look, the cartel

what he does, does all his new shows, sequester, drugs, strata of

blankas, all. But what is what they do? Oh, we're not We're doing We're

We're servicies Our people We're We're talking We're people What do They're doing They're

They're With what With what? With what? And what Is the The people Ah,

They're Those are the Good And What? And what And that The cartels

Beans They're Those That's To the Sold'd To the People who

They're inactive, They're the Only what They're They're Peoples ,

not they're in in the cities, they're in people in people of

people who are the people who we're not there doesn't have so much

the government, who solvents all the all the cartel?

So, so when you entered, where was the first parada,

yeah, first parada, the first house of security the first thing,

when when it's an what it's and what type of to

do you have to do or the holiday okay you you get

to the rancho where I was known as a rancho is Agir that

much people in a camp of exterminio no it is

so right we're we're to we're I get

to I'm met Boom Bhaugate Okay Desvistate All

All Desvistate Rapid Wow You devised Three sentadias Tocying One sentadias

And you have to Toce Boom Two sentadias Boom Three entadias Pum Okay

Okay Okay Okay Okay, Ponded the Ropido Puntte the rope Mientras

While they're Revising Your Calsado revising your pantalones, revisant your

cartelers, they're doing, you know, because they're because they're because if the rancho to get to

get to the police, or the country is this person is from here, this person is from this person is from

they're saying, they're to do you all to get a back after I'm going to get to yeah,

them mannum there, there's men, there's there, there women. I go

and the first the first I said, I'm to get to here, if I'm

here, I'm going to get to with people that that's what on that.

Uh-huh. Okay. I'm, I go and I go to a, a,

a companyer. Cabe to recalcar no, we can't call for our numbers,

we can't not we don't we We can't call for our names.

What, what was your apodo? Pantera. Pantera. Pantera. This,

I go, I go to that person that was a military. How, you know, you know,

like, here, then you then you know, you know, you know, you know,

you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, so, his vestimenta,

his form of his form of to come to do his form

to do do do so the way to I'm

I'm I'm I'm yeah I'm yeah yeah and

how and how how's much in your group that

they met they met they metaron between women or only

only only only only men not 100 yeah

so there there there there there but to enter the cartel.

Incredible. Okay. Tell us. What do you do you do with the cartel? What type of

the job do you do? Okay. Look, normally the first time that entered in the

women, they were like punteras of those that are passing government

so, tinderas of those that they are that they're they're a

, but never they're for the war, never were to be a no, until

it was a moment in the cartel that a woman said, I want to see, a man

to me to me to me to me to get me to be to the and then

that that woman that came to that's the word is the verga

is a barge the berg is a man's men and women and

women is park. Okay. Now, the women, as much as salker, salkoan, tenders,

cicarias, in a in a, in a escalon, before I had a one way,

a man, there, a man, out of the co-bron of what was, it was,

it was so, when you when you went to, you, did you did you

did you did you did, you did, you'd you're talking about you, you decide what you're going to do.

I want to do. Exactly. Or you can decide? Yes, you can decide. Okay. And what do you? I directly, I preferrater, I'd preferrider in a tinderer,

be a puntero, be a tindero. Puntero is a local. Aulcone, okay. But at the hour of the hour that,

that they said, you what do you want to be? Levanted the hand to those who want to be able to

three seconds. Three seconds. I don't do you know did do. My body did only do

so. I went the hand and I went and I did, I did. How did

people? Other. How many people people? I've been done the problem.

We had been passed all the house of security. people, they've got to the man.

The majority or only just? No, only various. Okay.

They've like five or six including me, five or six people of the 25 that

we're most. And the age, you're all is so, is so young, no?

They're all. And how time passed on you're in this camp

of training in the rancho? that was the camp of deistraming two two months two semas and what

did you the routine was simple eight of the morning you were you're getting where you

and you lavabas the car formabas for you to start to make exercise

formabas because we we we we're we're a

type military very style of military. Why? Because the commandant of that school, was a ex-militar. And between the commandant and those

that were the commandant and those that were militaries, had been marinos. There were marinos. There was a marino there. You've seen with your eyes propios? Yes.

They were me entraned to me. Imagineate that the government in the city of Mexico centered on this, of this actually incredible. The world no want to know. No.

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And the tirando, this type of training, tell us to do that. Um, to matter of people. Before to tirade, us ensign to know the arm. Desarm me and disarmes of the arm. What type of arms? Ar-15, Quirno of Chivo, Glock. 38 super, 45 super, are the ones that I learned

at disarm. Okay? But in that's, there was the SCAR, was the Minimi, the M60, this, the,

the Brown, that was an arm that had had earlier the soldiers, is an arm a short, this,

that also, the, the Barrett, the Barret, the, Calibre 50 So, I mean, so that we're

to use it and to support the sound because? Because we were all like five barracks

after us they're they're they're they're they're they're they're

they're they're when you are when you're you're no no no no

I'm not I'm not I'm say 20 people they're they're

and they're and they're sentadas in the the while

five people with Barrets, with Calibre 50, they were trying to you

at a scarce meters. And for what? For what? For what you to teach you

to get to get to get a bit horrible, so you see, boom,

you can imagine that this type of that's incredible. Hey. So,

so that we're that we're the book abired, we're the Boca

Abrupted The Ombuds Absolutely Okay I'm For support To support

To support That's Even even We're Gaseer Oh so With a With a

With a With a With With a Okay, the Tronement is Almost

What What you In the military Or the The police Is it Is it

Is it No No It's More It Because Because

The The I said That I I Did That was recluta.

He said, Oye, and this you, you did you to your side? I said,

no. I never never to get to do this. I never did to make the

to make maximum. Never I never to get to do that. And I say,

oh, I, boy, this is more and the people that don't get

they're to have to have to have have them,

they they they were to me they're they're they're so

how adults how's adults how's commandants are in this

rancho commandant so or auto command exactly it

was one one one but but he's the

commandant chio okay but when when we to us we

were to we He'd another commandant and there were two commanders

but the commandant of the schoolita has not much time came in the city of Mexico

and that and that I was earlier with Gaffe and I did you know what the

commandant that came there was in the notices said that he was the

in the rancho in which part of Halisco is That's

far away or? A two hours of Guadalajara. How? No, it's much. No.

No, no much. We're here in the middle of the and all the people and the

FIFA World Cup came here the next year. And two hours of here there,

there are like organizations criminales that who not that's

that he can't but you know after these two

years they're they're they're they have for part of

the cartel or what what was well in the in the

pro the was when me gase and and

how we gas we don't us we don't

this gas you of people we met in

a quarter a little and us evented two

granades of those. But anteriorly we're an explanation. You what they

have to do you have to do you and a little and you're

just we're going to get a minute. We met here like three minutes

there's three minutes, we metiering I, I was I was a minute in a

desperation that I was doing and I was April, and say, inal

all, and I felt like I would, I'm I'm really, I'm

really, if there's if there's if there's if there's and there's and two grandads

of that? Without any ventilation without? It's horrible. Horrible. There was a

man, a man, 15 years, he desmayed, and for all, to want to say to be they're saying,

they were they're they're they're on the car, in the body, in the

car, they're got them got out? He had had a blood here in the maris

had brotta and really, and I was a man, he was a

man, he was a little 15 years and so that I was in that

I said I said I was have been I have been you. But of

all you decided to continue and okay after that

that that that what what how how how

so how so can a a member a

organization okay after after of your program there there

there they they're they they start the people

you you you you you go to You're like, You're like,

you're like Okay? First, me sent them in a house where

San Juan of the Lago's. That's a little a city grand? It's a

town, it's a place, okay. Me mandan and and and not Duree

well, dormie and the day the next that I went and the day Because no, no, no, no, no time.

So, that's what I said, when you're in your house of security, take it's a time of to be a time to be a time of being to be quiet. And yeah, but I, no more I,

I'm going to, I'm going to, and I went to, it's counter the regla's, to do you know, in the house of security? Yeah.

In the house of security? In the house of, it's like, a, a place where you can't be a, because you, because they're

out of the house? Because they're No, I'm not but they're not

they're to to be to be to work to work well before

we're about that that the the the the the pay

you know you you you you how you

you you're to you not to me I'm

I I'm I I'm $10 000 of those Mexicans a

week. Not much but not a little not a little 10,000 is like

more than can get to buy and selling fruit or something and how you can

how you you get to you this this type of pay me paid $4,000

less much that you that you promised you

you promised you okay okay me They're to the

house of security to me to three people and there was where

me said the question what I'm what are you're those who want

to be the man. We've we've you levanted the

man I'm I'm I'm I don't I didn't

but why? Why you didn't it? It was an

an instinct of my person I I I want

I I I but I don't I didn't other people

there were punteras were tenders salcons so so

I'm I'm they're to my place in a in a taxi

discreet because it was a car a a car a car feo

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we're not we're armed. No, par to the policeia. Identifications? No, we don't know. How's they're called? of where are and then

and what are and what are and what they're to do what in a rancho

of a agriculture no I think to where they're to work to work

to to we're we're we're we're that in that rancho

were hitomates so that verdur with the vacas we've with the

vacas but in that vaca no there a see all all over all

all for to get and all for we're gonna we're they're they're they're

they're they're so that one of those wwees about but but

not he was, he was a story false to despist no,

is that he he's that they're doing this, they're to get to go to go to the

carcel and in what that was talking he back the commandant of the

police no, let us go, let's go they're they're they're

let's go their things other because they're they're

paid for... Police federal. Exactly. And for the police federal more or less or less

are corrupts all. Okay. So, so, so the thing, okay,

perfect. So, so you're still, and then then what they're going? We're

on us come to us, they're my commandant in a motor. And he said,

I'm going to be, and he's, I'm a co-mandant. And it was a person that made a half of what I mido. This person, chaparry, and I said, you're my commandant? Yeah.

I'm sorry. I'm not. To his orders, commandant, me present, I'm, I'm, tell, tal, tal. I'm from the schoolita of the commandant to tal. Perfect.

We're going. get another two motors and we're going to we're all on motor because it was a town of

a carous all so we're in motor we're we're to get us to where

our our base of operations can you say a house abandoned okay

there there there there there there there arms

chelel cascus the those vehicles the the Two vehicles blinded,

monsters, the monsters, those who are in here? Monstros. Monstros. How we saw in the

news? Like tankas, tanks, tankos, tankas. Tanks, artisanal. That's that. That's a way.

That's a way of to say, tankas tanks, tankers artisanals. Wow. Okay.

We're getting, okay, this, put your cheliko. Me, my chalco. My, casco.

And me they're a quern of chivo. I'm my cargators

p, pump, abastecis I'm my measures of security quito placas

erroge two times, I'm a plan, I'm secure, and me kept in

12, so I said, in 12 to be firmes. How you felt in that

moment? And not you had no idea that you were to do you

How you You know, I'm a extrano. Extranew in what aspect I don't know what

was going to know what was to be uncertainty was what I said. That same day that

I got a first a first a first of that they start in the radios

they're they're going government military soldiers soldiers they

were to to enter to where we were a break. But in that breach,

there was a second, there was a circle that had to be to bring and and pass and then we

do that do do that's to get to our base of operations. Reportan that the government

so much position. I'm very a first day I'm I'm going to top me

with government. A balancerer with the pinche government. imagineate that Valio Madre

I said me going to matter and is what I think I said I said I said you

do I see casco pechera adjusted placas I put a I put

in position if they they're if they were to come back

we we're we're we're to if they're they're we

that that was a moment that one minute in

those that they were like they were in three stacas, three caminets, and it was a moment of a, boom,

boom, if they were to put in to come to a little meters, and they're going to be

to be able to back to go back to and I said, yeah, it's, you know,

madres, here's, here's the thing, yeah, mamie. We're not not much,

but not not many, but we're we're, we're, we're, we're, we're,

we're, of government, that each staca has taken four, eight, like ten people, no?

One of ten persons, 10 persons, that were 30 people, like for 20, we'd get them in

volume of fire. Yeah. Separate, yeah, it's, we're going, I'm,

I was, I was, I was a little, but I thought, but in my mind, I'd try a,

a disorder that you imagine. So, They don't and they're and they're

and they're they're going to it's in a moment that he put the

I put the the security and it was like in a co-in-a- and I got to

like that I said yeah never you never you never you've so

I'm I no no no the the military or

the marinos? No, the the military. The army are

not not paid for the cartels for so they're to

they're to try to or or fiftate that there are

some some some that are they are they are paid to

even even even that are they're but the

only that we we don't know we're for two those gaffes those

the forces specials but it was very difficult to pay a marino it was very

difficult not not difficult to pay a guard national a federal a

a soldier a more more but but it but it was

very difficult um one of the one of the instructors that me

paid one a million and no so how much, because he was there. But to him

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only with them with this group for three months in the cartel in the New Generation

is too it's too it's a bit much after that what you do you

do you with them with them yes yes yes yes after this

first day that's the first day yeah that the day next me

they begin to make the explication of how we act we're because

my first topones reales and the refugue were both with a

and one with the right I got that okay but in the same

time or no no so fugues different yeah the type of

different the first the the front that I took

was was the cartel. Who was? The Mayos. The Mayjitos. And are the

contras more more fertes in Halisco? But there are the most strong.

Not are the more the more strong because they're the training military, no.

They're more more more more armament. Oh, yeah? But what is what

they don't have? No they're an disraming military, no

they're nothing of this. Because they they they're arms,

they're they're doing, to us they're saying those guys cobran $25,000 $50,000

pesos a a month but not the first time they're to be able to because

they're they're they're they're a arm, so they're not they're doing they're doing

to be in a person well, I see, so that. So, so, how it

how it was the first yeah of where they were and all it was a day

in the people they asked to all all those new people someone someone

can manage standard manual in car and I I said if I

say I can get to you can be going to make

to go you you you you you you

you're you malio verga And I said, no, I've I said that no, I've said that I'm sure. I, I don't know. I'm sure. I'm, the

precision most secure is the person that's in the tanker, but no? No, are blinded? Yes, are but there's a problematica that are there between those blinders, that when they're quamins, you're

you're kemas, yeah, yeah. Momas, in poxed words. So, so I said, you're going to you're going to

do you? I said, now what I'm what I'm going to do? And I said, and the magytos

had a custom that they got them with the with the when it was the

cartel of the golf with the cartel of Noreste what did the

majitos in the breaches and they had in the plur it was

the lumbre all it was we're in the we're we're

we're saying let him yeah yeah it was a a

a a a a F3 50 of the Ford but

was a car a we're we're we we went

to the changua the to the to the to

the and he he, he, he's a man that he tras a man that

he's a man that he's what they're the those, those mayos those

carionettes are prepared to chucar for the part of the part of that's they're not

they're top with the back, they're they're they're they're because,

because they're not they're they're not they're they okay, well,

they're they're the part of the part of but the barretero that we're a person

very experimented very, very experimented and he he just knew how they'd to them

because he he was he um like with maia because he?

because he he'd he'd be the ball boom rebotable the ball and so

that like They'd expose their motor, but they'd their tank of gasoline. Ah, clear. So, when topavas with them,

they'd and just, just, just, just, just, just, then I'd

them'd be in the carmenants. And they'd them at that. But, that's what normally did. I'm

I'm a couple that when I came to that breaka, I'd manhando, and the command to me

said, let me more rapid I met a third and Iceler to find

so I'm a moment to do you a curve and you are still they're not going to

they're waiting they're so they're so they're so they're doing this

and what I'm saying command chocalos oh and we we're going to get

we're we're we're we're we we're we I

I came and boom those chocked there I I got

the ballant so and I still I didn't I think I

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this video boom me it's they're gonna boom boom boom boom boom

boom and they're and what I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm the first

that was that you're my first that you've seen someone you're not even not the

first because in the schoolit and in the proe of the fire me to they're

to start I'm me I'm to desivir a person to kill a person, to

destasal. In the training but you have to see someone you're trying during the training

I was I'm not we're to us during us to do you who okay okay okay

okay okay okay wait me who who who were the people in this rancho

that they're to die for for you're for you're in raperos

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In my training, they were a two administrators meos. Like, with a arm?

With a arm? But then? A ball to the head or how how it happened?

A one he, he was a one, he was because he violable the

women and he he was the commander and he he was. The other he robbed

and a he was he was he he was he, but you

how you, You've got to them? Those I'm in question that was for an

order of the commandant? What? What? He was? He was asked, or I'll

say, or I'll them, they're in the piernas. Yorand supplicando, we're they're,

amarrenlos. I was them, I'm like puercos. Those only, just those

them just them're, the, those, those, the, I'm, the,

the, the, yeah, yeah, okay. Okay. Okay. they were

to take to the and they put them to turn the black like two

silhouettes they're they're a arm that I know but it was a

arm that only had a government was the the

the the dragon of the god yeah yeah so

they're they they're they they're and the command to the

he bowed the Cabea So that's the first The first That's the

That's He was And then He said You You Ben Panta

Ben And I'm You're You're gonna You're gonna You're You're It was

My Manzano Was he Yeah It's His abode It's Apoo

Buelele The Cbeza He says Okay and I go, if no I do not I'm

I'm and I'm and I'm I'm I'm like like I'm like so he's like

he's but I falled me say concentrate in your respiration concentrate

do you do the things well and I I breathe I

I'm in the time in the in the head or in the back

or here but that that arm is an arm potent.

If you're like, you're like here, here, then it's

a head and no there doesn't that yeah. Wow.

Okay. I don't think the news has reported this

type of of action but okay so why? When

you when you was in this tank this monster in

that moment was you were you you you're you're

you No I see. Of fear. It was a fear. Why? Because I got

my arm I had my arm. I was there and I was so, and I gotcha I was yule and I'm

commandant and me says, back at the verga because you backer on them. Me

said, and I said, no, no, no, I don't he responded with he said,

no, no, I don't want to do you want to I'm I was

I went I went to the carmion me went to and I went to

do you what I'm so I'm so I'm so I'm and then I say to do you

and then because if not you're if not you're you you're

you said you okay I said I I I'm I

I'm I'm my curn in raffa it I

do I'm me , that the first cargator is to

you're saying, they're saying, are saying, are much and all the first is a

fring in raffa the second is a time, but I back I'm and it

what I did, me and I did know, I'm that it's

like in the little that's that you're that you're

no, no, no, no I did nothing, to nothing.

In serious? you? He failed all? I felled all the cargator.

All the cargad I was I did nothing. They started to them to go

and they're to do we're doing we're doing we're we're in volume of people

in how many people for that we know we know

what are of you and they're they're of those the

contras some some 10. And you're like 20, 22 people? Oh, okay, okay. We're much more. We're advanced.

And they're to start to start up, boom, boom, yeah, there's a way, boom, boom, yeah, there's another way. And I still yeah, I, I'd still tirade, pa, blah, blah, blah. A,

to what I was, yeah, I didn't know if it was, one of my companions, I, I, I, I, I, I said, I just, I just moved, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, to get a placar a car a car

a car a lot of yeah but for my nervousism I was I was and I

came to and I was up a and I said I and I disparate and

I was um pump pump um and I and I was

no I didn't know I was not I was not I'm

a moment of silence no no I'm heard no

hey yeah you all all all Yeah. We all.

There were bachas? Okay. No, no, no. Nobody of you, you know, because of us. And he was there. And he was,

and he made a person to peinar. What is peinar? That was, to those who were agonizant and to those that were dead

to give us, to give us a tear of grace. A little bit of a grace. That is, of grace. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, put them out of their misery.

Yeah. Yeah, what were what they were to give them to give? Mm-hmm, man, man, man. Despite that, we're not, we're gonna get us arms, munitions, chaleco, if not were fragmented,

the plaque, if not were fragmented, we'd, we'd, we'd, cascos, many things, because they were, because they were very equipped, but not they'd, almost not even

they'd use the arms more than than to do you so that's what we're

what we're you were the cartel when that was a barzler passed

three days okay and and tell us about the second balacer

with the military was it was the last because in the

middle there was there was another valcer with the

Contras, the which also we got but there was there was

there was there's the 20, 22, we're we're there were

16, 15 there were many and where they were all that

where where in what in what part of the Halisco?

Sakateka Sakatecas okay the ultimate the last was

with government Yeah. But, but like a week before we

took a front of the where there was where there was what was what was what was we had

the order to go to the people more to clean to clean to clean.

Limpier of rateros and to coblers of people who vend drugs

that not be the company So, so. And they're a list of people

that have but in a cellular in WhatsApp we're this person is a person is

he's coming on this and so so say so so that were people

that were they're they're they're or ladrons what kind of of

people you're like in that in that in that moment there were

at the Fiestas Patronal of that little Pueblo of Saka What are

there? There are there games, there are there games, but what

they were what they were you're doing for your work what we did we

did we did we were what we're to do they're to go back

and the ladrons that robes they're to they're to they're

to the company they And what we're to us And we're to us to

we're going to get to get to someone, it was with your arm short. For what

for the for the mobility? So what was what happened? In that second

enfrontamintam we went to the second day to the first and it was going to

be able to the night, it was going to and we were going

and we were they were they were they're They were waiting. Yeah

we're who, who were? The ones. The most of the Mayos, the Mayes. Wow.

And it was like a trapa, an embossed. An embossed. Uh-huh. But to us

also we're trained as embossed and contraemboscata. So, what was what we did we did we

did all that, we're we're the camionettes and position and all, p, p, p, And were in the

Carreterra? We're at the Entrada of the People. Okay? We're like At a few meters

to enter to The world. No, I see, I don't know, to do you have to The Gahara,

I said, Welcome, I'll have to do you. Yeah. And what was what happened?

We got, we got, we're, we're back, We're going to do we're We're not, we're not, to the last few years.

What was what does our commandant? Mark, and re-una all the alcones, to all the pounteros tenders, mobiles and fichos, they're in a house of security, to all.

And all have to be there. Because if someone has a, they'll look and they're not. We're getting and to We were the operative, of those who were the operative,

of those who were like sikarious. We got us, and we're getting armed and all? And they said, what chingados passed here?

No, me advised them to nothing, no, there was report of nothing, what happened

here? No, is that they started to give us no, is that me no me

no more, because happened that, we passed to the the quarter.

They said, back almost the middle. This not is not quite. Why not

they're not? And then I'm part I'm well, if there fiestas,

I don't see that that's ran blank that going to go and go to

go to a family or go to I'ma. I said, I mean, I

know, I'm I'm to understand so, but I'm my pantera.

agar them those those I gotre put your his head and I'm

he was he gotrava of the other person he was a basing the

psalasas psalas psalas yeah the first tableas yeah they're up

they're they're gonna and they're they're to the burghers to boom it's over

bam mass and but no shing there a table a

table and a table like, and they don't have seen. Wow, until that they

had to them all, and to all both a couple. You're all?

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not, because no not not they had that there had that there was,

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they'd them were many there were many there were Olias

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So, So So, So, So, How did So, With the

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We're We're We're We're No, I don't I've No, I

No, I've heard No, And And then And then You're To have

This, this, to make this One, one or two days before that I

were. Yeah. Okay. So, how, Quetan us, how, how,

how, what, well, look, if you remember you I've said

that you have said not a minute I need to need a moment. Necessi

a moment. That is an example of what what happens in the parts of

Mexico very rural very very very very very very lehos

of commercial like Guadar or Tijuana. That is a part

of a side that nobody in nobody they're yeah

but fichate that also here in Guadahara and and Ayes

that is a place andres that's a place where

people people of money but there is where

there has done there has done the yeah

yeah and I say one part and well

yeah well yeah so imagine to imagine they're

they is recognized because that that not notice not can

be because you because you're in a zone metropolitan you're in a

area where there there's in all in all lots and earlier and I

took to be able to be the news that the in place

and dares that not you see that that there was a brabus and

they got a a smother that did And yeah. It was all?

But it was a, a baller, intense. It was a little. Wow. Okay. Encounters. You're rumped.

What happened with the ultimate? Enfrontation. Enfrontation. Okay. Contigo. Look. That day

we reported. There are two stacas of government. And you have to to go to have

to you have to top and what happened there people there

for the for that we're almost about 28 people all in and with arms

that you do you where did where did where that's arm of don't

they're they're minin me try you scat and they're

arms Cabrown, those Armands. And where they're? What do you do the other

other other side? No, no, no, no, you know, they're not,

I said, oh, where's the arm? They were saying, I don't know, I mean me they're

doing, ah, who can know, who knows, no, all the the numbers

of series, uh, raillers. Yes, so, yes, so, the,

so, the, so, 28 and they're the government How are you In a staca And in that

staca And in that stack They were 20 18 And there And then we Why they're

For what We're We're We're We're For volume of Abreach And all

I made I mean I did count The time And I Why this Notion The

Notices Backer To be To be Backer All And And the

No No No No No No No Nothing,

nothing, nothing, no no, no, the bodies, those were,

but no, they were, no, no, so you're, they're, they're,

two people, or more? Two stacas of the government, two,

two, two, two, two, two, two, those they, all those

those, those they were in the two, those, they were, the, we,

were, the, We were We were You You were You You were

You were They were They were They were Yeah Yeah But What was

What was What was That I Did the I I I I

I I I I'm Who My Commandant Okay

Okay Okay Quintan About Why Elegist of You

did To do of That chaos I, I,

I, I had to go to my house. I mean I had a idea of

that I go. This is not that way. In what can I

go. I'm I'm going. I was a time together and I had

talked about about my my wife about my my mom I

I'm I'm I'm I'm my I'm my shit

drugs? And I no. Tomas? No? What you do? I was, I'd have been,

and you know, yes, I'd still do and do you? And what's okay? Is the money?

Mm, okay. Ljew the moment of that the enfrontation, the enfrontation terminate?

What was our error? That we did we don't robes a canionetta of them. No,

So if those cametrails have those have been restriadas no see we're in our

in our center of operations and report an bulludo an helicopter

of marina a helicopter of marina I know I just I had a a needissim

of marina report in the all they're all they're all with the 50s

pass pass pass desempied to throw. The helicopter, it's a helicopter,

but not it's like in the the films, that's no, it's a there,

there's a, there's, it's in the earth. Then, then they're, they're, they're,

they're they're in, they're all, they're on mortes, the people, the people,

the people they were to be to be with their Gracious, I'm Mired.

They were to them. They were they're getting their people, they're they're

all, and I mean me they're I'm not you know, I'm no,

no, and I want to to be here, I'm I'm going, I'm to go,

you're going, you're going, you're going to go to your house, but I want to

you want to start a life productive I'm, I want to do the

things good, because, because if if if you here for

any cellular that's a carter of the helix is to manage for cellular I'm

going to and you going to you're to get to get to this world

I want to want to I'm he I he I

saw something like this this chame is different

than the rest and I can in your

eyes that you don't never should be a

sycario no And what was what What was What was to? I said Fifat

what you going to do you We're going to I'm going to completely but the other

only was to go to you go to on the carterter you do do you go to the

shop oh okay I'm going to cargan something and they did the

money and you ma-mah or not they're to be to get to

I go to the I and this person and we they're a Mercedes-Benz that in my

video I had seen and was my commandant and I do it in a motor in camions

blinded is like a Mercedes luxurious the line he he was

he was to the the the what is the station

of buses more more to to come a a lot

of your credential. We don't we got he he's he's

he to be a me for me for him to be to be to be in

this state and you're you're going to get to and

okay I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm not I'm

not I'm not you're not you're not I'm you

don't you're to get to comeion and we're we has

been I've been I go and I've I've the people normal

to the people flowing how flue the people and I kept so

and I started to see the people I'm well why why?

Why? Because I had botas tactics I I'm my

pantalon that type tactical I I had a

a camis a tactic also like, so so it was and you

what? Why you see? What do you? What I said? What I do? And before my commandant

me gave money I go I go I go I'm I'm to the

banos I can't and I do that that how's how time

that you got you you you did you did you

did not much six months and how you feel and you do you

have you have been bad dreams or you have you're affected

mentally or something of what what you what you what you you you need

to do to survive how how you how you see you I'm

I I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm still

I'm Oh very culpable I'm but what is what is what I do I don't

I don't like a person of a person of a that you say oh you know

I'm you know you know you know what this because because now in my

life there I'm a moment in that I don't tell

my problems to my problems to my now they they're they

they're what I do I said, no, if you have many problems to you, I'm for

what I want to tell the my? And, well, it's something that

I'm, I don't see, I know, I'm don't know, I'm like you

say, I'm, I'm in the mind a world totally different,

I've I'm I'm a and say about it and say literally

like, like I said already, as I said with Gaff, in the that I'm a little alibi

no, I'm, no, me, no, me, I'm a, no, me, I'm a little alibi but I'm, not a dayary, but I'm thinking so on that. And why? Because I was,

I was just, I'm a lot of my house and I'd start and I'm gonna, and now, there are, there's, there still the night of,

I'm going to say, I'm, so I'm, so I'm, so, I'm I'm just I'm just I'm in my house and I'm

I'm tranquilizing And what you want with the life? You have a plan for

to work or study, to go to school? You're ready? You're ready? You're a new

you've seen of being a architecto? Well, the of the thing, I'm,

the right, the really, not, I'm not I'm not I'm

very concentrated in this. Right I'm still I'm concerned in in

to work, in a time to get to get money, for my daughter, for my

father, actually with my knowia, because the mom of my mother of my

daughter. Oh, no, excuse me. When, when you were when you

got to I, so, I got to I was, I'm not in his cellular, platicas with other

way. And when I said, I said, no, you're you're more

to be back, than Let's do you. The other people in your life

were, they were about what did you? My mom my mom my papa,

I let's a story very resumied of what what happened I, yeah,

I don't I said to tell to the because I don't want to I'm

notce to do it. No, no I don't I would that they should

that they knew really what I did. Well, I'd like that you

would be to talk and talk your story with me. I

feel honored because it's important to say and to what

has happened. It's important to talk. Hmm. Yeah,

I'm still without a word without a word now. Hmm.

you're well chill you're a good person you're going to be you know you know you know well

at the maybe you could think that you that was part of a war

and then could be a form of sanar your culability

because you're part of a war It's like you're going to get a

people innocent I don't know trying to help you out I don't know if they said this guy

he was a man to try to help him I don't know I said he was

to make him yeah well well well well okay

thanks thanks for an interview a so I'm

so I'm sorry for what you have passed but you're a young you can

you can you can you can get and say you're in serious you're

with all respect you're I know when I think when I thought I thought

I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I really you

you know in serious you you but do correct is

my advice for you thank thank thank way

and I suppose I don't you don't you

don't to get your re des sociales. Okay, thanks, guys. You just, uh, you've, this was... Grazius. Orale.