The Connect- with Johnny Mitchell - Cartel Sicario Exposes Life Inside The Sinaloa Cartel, Gives Update On "Los Chapitos"

Episode Date: August 31, 2025

A Sinaloa Cartel hitman (sicario) sits down for a rare and chilling interview, revealing what life is really like inside one of the world’s most powerful criminal organizations. Speaking from Nogales, Sonora, he explains how he was recruited as a young halcón (lookout), the brutal military torture he survived, and how he rose through the ranks to become a killer for Los Chapitos. He opens up about: -The rules, discipline, and punishments inside the cartel -The violence of the Sinaloa–Beltrán Leyva war in Nogales -His first missions as a cartel soldier and hitman -The split between Mayo Zambada’s faction and Los Chapitos -How cartel life affects his family and children -His thoughts on corruption, Mexico’s future, and whether he can ever escape this life This full-length episode provides a rare look inside a world few outsiders ever get to see — a place where silence means survival, and speaking out could mean death. This Episode Is #Sponsored By The Following: BRUNT! Get $10 Off at BRUNT with code MITCHELL at https://www.bruntworkwear.com/MITCHELL #Bruntpod HIMS! To get simple, online access to personalized, affordable care for ED, Hair Loss, Weight Loss, and more, visit https://hims.com/CONNECT AVA! Take control of your credit right now. Download the Ava app today, and when you join using my promo code CONNECT, your first month is totally FREE. Join The Patreon For Bonus Content! https://www.patreon.com/theconnectshow 00:00 – Torture at the hands of the military 04:30 – Early life & recruitment into the cartel 06:30 – Life as a halcón (lookout) 08:30 – Arrests & brutal torture by soldiers 12:40 – The Sinaloa–Beltrán Leyva war in Nogales 18:20 – Cartel rules, discipline & punishments 20:28 – This Episode Is Sponsored By BRUNT Workwear 22:57 – Transition from lookout to sicario 26:50 – First shootout & adrenaline of survival 28:20 – Missions, targets & plaza enforcement 31:20 – The split: Mayo vs. Los Chapitos 37:33 – This Episode Is Sponsored By HIMS and AVA 41:31 – Family life & hiding the truth from loved ones 46:20 – Guilt, morality & thoughts on killing 53:40 – Desert missions & living like an army unit 1:02:00 – Hopes for his children’s future 1:04:30 – Trapped in cartel life & dreams of leaving 1:06:30 – Mexico’s corruption & bleak outlook 1:08:10 – Closing thoughts & reflections Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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a hit man for the Chippisa faction of the Sinaloa cartel. We interviewed him outside of his hometown of Nogales in the state of Sonora, Mexico. He's worked for, for the Sonora Plaza, which is controlled by the Sinaloa cartel for 20 years. First is a lookout, and for the past eight of those years is a Sicario, a paid killer. He tells us what life is like as a soldier for the world's most notorious drug cartel. The missions that he goes on, how he's managed to stay alive all this time,

and most recently, how his job in Nogales has been affected by the weakening of the Sinaloa cartel and the war in Kulia Khan between the Mayo faction and his bosses, the Chapitos. Ladies and gentlemen, it doesn't get any realer than this. prepare for chills up your spine and enjoy my interview with a Chapisa hitman right here on the Connect with Johnny Mitchell. Do you know, we're not

we're in front of cameras. And probably we need to take much care. Why? Because, the danger? Yeah, because the The The voice

will be to get to change Yeah Okay, okay, okay, yeah

but for us. But for us for Americans, grinkos the the

the the thing is like, no real no veradro No,

but is real but yeah, but if it could be that,

if somebody more can tell that someone like like some like

in balcon because we're saying that nobody knows what

that really is the reserve of that we need we need to we need to we need to take us

not as as as much as we know like you are much the

the groups all know, they can for any minimum can

that they're but there many propaganda there many

videos and interviews with with people with other

groups like in the other the four letters

of the halisco but in that moment it's very very, very calent for all what you're doing

with Trump and with your government? For us right we don't bring us because the police

the we have like we're like we're not there's there's no there's there, there

are, there, there are, there's, to the hefs, to the capos that you don't

do you're say nothing like like interviews or nothing.

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but not I think it's permitted but it's like

for the people so that the people know that the people

know they don't and it is it's a

it's a work but there things that not that are

in the films videos videos corridos X the

animals is different but is serious and would you would be

they're saying that you're doing and was doing that interview? I'm going to take a racquet or alcohol and but I

don't know but I could tell you because it's like to say that's

not normal to not you know you don't say you don't say

your work really that if you get you with the police not you

don't you say you're saying that say you're six a gun,

I'm a because that they're going to say, and the time, all of those are replaced. Mm-hmm. And the minute I know for the people, it's better. Hey, guys, do me a quick favor. Subscribe to the channel if you haven't already. Hit that notification bell and smash that like button.

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What's the solution? Would love to hear from you. All right, enjoy the rest of the episode. you know what you had when you met you first with this type of halet? I think that I think it was 23, 24

years. I started like in a house, I think doing laddillos, like to al-baen. One person of there, the house was of that, one person

important, and he said that if I wanted to work to me go to a radio and then, you know, that when I came to the government, me said, then they were going to pay what they're going to pay

in a month in a month in two days there's a need to have needed to have to be in my wife

I had separated and I'm a job and the job of working. And since then then so? There's

a cold there was much time working from a one part or another then they said I said

I said I'd work like to work to the movement of the government the army, the

the army, all, all, and then, then, then, I went to do that

three days, and they said that they were to do that I said, I said, I said, I was going to

work to and I said, no, no, no, I don't not, no, I, don't get

to ask you to the corn, but yeah, more, more, more, and the, and the

aren't, normally are young, so, because it's the, the, the,

level the most below in the group that's yeah apart

that's like, it's like like, like, they're like to they're

like to do because I'm I'm so that the little

that's that's like I was I could go to I'm

to end and and all and so I said for a and so

I said but I batted I but I'm to put a arm

with them I batted time because I almost 20 years working

of an 24, no, 24, 12 hours for a day,

12 hours of night and the dominggo two hours to 24 for to come

a day. It's like a so, so. And the the pay of a

car is better that you could get working in a hotel

or like a limpeer or a a helie very like a

The difference is that in a job, you know, if an alcohol, you know, but even if you don't do that the job, it's because if

no, no, I don't, don't think how I was or simply just what you is, it's when if I

said, oh, if I'm going to the rapids, then if happens, then the most out of the

way, they, you know, in the majority of the alcones, his objective is to

to go to the organization or just to take a little one or just to and then it's a different. Depends of the

mentality. And what was your mentality when you started? You wanted to do you? Yeah.

Because I started with the trocas with other other, other, other,

other, other, other, other, I thought I was like was like the movies and

the stuff, I, I said, I was to be there, and I

would be there. And, Not that kind of person that because I wanted to say, no, no, but I wanted to be there. And then the time that I did to work with them, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, was doing that, I mean, and then I was when I, he said, no, he had no, no, had no way, to live, and I was literally, that's in life,

and I was, and I was doing it. And I said, me, go to go and you go to work, you go back, you're going to work. there's that you want, there's the opportunity that that's the opportunity that you've done to do you.

So the alcones are the claves or no? Only radios. Well, yeah, radios with the clas

but the clas you have to remember. And you know, a little a bit of

a time? You've been, like, to get to get more,

or it's more more than more, the problem, the problem, the problem when the

when the when the thing was that the thing, yeah. There.

I said, A verga, because the , the army doesn't have compassion of the other

no, it's like to say, ah, you're in aught and yeah. Oh,

so. Well, I remember a man said, when a soldier, you get

and you get a and you say, no, I say, no you're to be

to be to be a pula, you get a call, and you get a and they're

they're, and they're they're saying their they're, is because you go to the mother because you're going to the penalty.

But the majority of the cases that were because they were various, me pegged like, no you know,

I didn't know, I mean, they're doing me, me, I'm doing the water, or the water?

Explain it. Explain it, what are you? I was, and then in a serri, and they got because they were

to get them to know, and I never was playing that, and I never tried, then I got

and I'm what I said was, I put up my radio, and to them, to be

to be to learn to be the word that said, plent them no, no,

no don't know, because you need to put in the that, I don't know, that's,

that's, a cuadame. And, and he said, here, here, here, here,

here, and here, and then, and then, no, no, no, no,

I don't know, no, no, no, no, and I said, preend, me said,

I did, and I'll it, and I'll put in the clare, no matter. You can't, well, you know, you got me,

I got a, my, he got, my, he was all and he put back up, and he set

a water, and I got a water, and it's and it's you feel very. You're, like,

you know, there are there's, and there's there's just, there's a lot, and, and, but, when I was,

like I just got I put it and I put it and I put it and put it and put it every that's when he

put on the box. In the buss also there's me desnolly I'm I'm

and then I got and then then I did you me did me they got

on the water, and they're and put down and I'm put down at the legge and I'm

there were that's all I just said I'm not said that that said, go to watch, and I was going to

go to the water, but I don't, I know, but I don't, he thought that I, yeah, and he said,

where are the arms? I said, no, I said, and I, I got it because,

because I like, and where are the arms, and I was, and I was when he put, the put,

the stuced and I, put on the my entourage no, it was, and it was and it,

and, and, that is a question very kind of pendeo, but I'm of the

United after a, uh, a, like, an, like,

a person like you, you can't a quid, the city, the state, to recamar in,

in the judge, for, um, well, no, no, I think, but,

but, like, what would say my argument if I was in a place, I would have been doing

something were doing other things, that were for the law. I know that the rights

human but not if it's impustamint. Yeah. Yeah. It's a little,

it's a but he is doing something that not is not very seen for the people.

It has to be the alcohol or or a so. So the most the most

the most danger of the caron is of the military not

of other cartel or group At the At the beginning was when the war of the

of the of the Chalpo and Beltran Okay When they They got Alcon

and they they were And they they were And then we We'll Let me Let me

Let's Okay Let me These times These years When you you

Concees Of Alcon Um Um Um He was The

era Very The group of The Cater of Cinal

the Beltran and the Chapp. How, how did it? How did it in this Pueblita? Before, it was like, that that's just like, oh, gosh.

And then, when I, when I, you know, when I was talking in a construction when they said, in that then, it was like 2007,

or eight, two, two, nine, in those years, and then, there's there were there was

there were there were there were there were there were there all the I'm

sure and the most of but those arcones but that other people

like the other people were and they saw where they were they were they were so

for so they were those those those changed but there were

there were there I don't know I remember when I made and I said

in what I said I was I said I, but I've been there. Murieled many people. I remember, I, I met see,

like, four, seven in less than two months. Wow. But they, they were,

they had, they had time in the organization. They'd come, and, and, and,

then they were, they were, the, those, the, the, and the, and they were,

they, they'd, they'd, they'd say, they'd, amazed, for here or there

or there were a lot of a lot of people because two the women

women they're yeah yeah they're very very they're

young 16 and 16 and 18 18 years I think they were and

why they were for the route I I said I'm I'm

because because before I I'm I'm I'm I'm

I'm I'm I'm I'm to put to and when

It was the cartel. All is a round of retum because, before, I was, I was, I know, the, there's,

all the, all that's, because the people, yeah, had a year, to get to the , and the , because,

there were, in the vanacens that there, in the city, there were, there were, people, that were,

not of the, the, no, the, and they'd they'd, and they'd, wow.

Wow. Wow. You said, I said, that I said that my mom so that my mom's entire in what I'm, that's not that's weird

because, I mean, the people are bad, but the people, I said, like, I said,

like, I said, like, I said, here you know, you say, here you know, to be part of

the people, not, not be against you, but I mean, because, too, also, also,

there was the risk that one to pass, the, the, the, the, the,

the, people, because me took, to work, to work part of the part of where I'd where I was in the

house and I met him in his pocket and I said my kids I thought it's like you know, but he no, I don't know. The death and the

war was normalized for all the parts of this zone. Like, yeah, yeah, it's all the day. And you

do you're doing two or three years of Alcon? No, more. More? How? So,

so like, I think 10 or more or more or less 10 years. Yeah, because I

I'd, I'd have to and then me would have to get me to get it. Oh, yeah. It was not so important

as if you then you know because because no because no because they're more responsibility

as a like a accountant, or they paid more? Yeah, a little more

more. Yeah, it's a responsibility. No, more that there was a, there

had been a a, then, then I've said that they've been that they didn't

time because he was to get to my patruer. So, but I did this

because my was my my So I wanted to calm. But, but you know, the necessity,

and in a factory, no, no, I don't know what needed. I mean, because,

they were three kids. More, I'm, I'm just the reason that many, many,

many, people, are the people, is for that not they, not, not,

he's, not, not, no, but, to help, to help, to help me

family, to help me, but, but, that's, that's, that's, that's,

because those desquied in a time, much time, much dedication to the work and nothing to the house,

I got of vizio, the vizio, the vizions not are not, nor the outside,

because the vices do you do you do you do get to so, so I

remember when, when the mom of my mother of said, well, I'm

met you to work to work with with with the points, and I go to

get the and I started, and all that, and all that and was,

What type of the drug? What type of drover? At the principle, I started with the perico. Ah, uh-huh. Yeah, after it's like, no, no, no, no, me, I fad-oh, and I, and I'm, but, like, the pistol, not me, no, me, no,

to funder, because not it's not as what I consume, that, when the perico, the perico, the money, and no gasto much, and no gasto on the other, and, apart to, and, apart that, it's not, to be prohibited, the, of, to fumar that. To fumar crystal?

Yeah. So, if you're Or Rita is the The regal? Yes, yes, in the

In serious? Why? No, I'm not I'm not because For the For the

question That's But it Is it Is it? No, no, that's For all

For us For us But, okay We're We're not We can't Because

We're Only For For a For you For a For a For a

For a So, I'm You can't You No No, no

No, no, no, no no, no no People are the jepes, or the commandant, or, but...

Did you say anti-doping? No. No? No, no, but they're not, well, they know how, so, you know, how, well, when you're doing to find out when you end up and to do, when I end up when I'm doing, when I get a little and, no more, for that. Because if I take that opioid, I don't, then you, I don't want to do that. But, yeah, I'm fume one or two, every, every three months.

Because there, you know, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, they say, because you know, you know, you can't you get a

life, that's, if you get her with this, or something, you're that we're

about, wow, because we do it say it's, no, yeah, no,

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they're, when they they're,

they're gonna get to, that's a , that's, it's a man, it's, it's a

real, the , they're saying, because they're so you're in there, you know, you're saying, you know, like, you're saying, no,

no, no, you can't consume what you don't you can't get, you don't put an utilization.

If, for example, I'm in other part and I want to come for, I don't I'm going to, I'm going to, because if,

no, it's a repressal. Uh-huh. Not so that they're going to not to get to but if, if they're

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I'm famous at the other side. I'm going to be. You know, I'm not. You know what I'm here. Okay. How came after the job? How did you the organization?

It was an opportunity that, well, it's that in the 2010, if I remember that there was

a moment, there was a that I've said to say, I said, I'm going to get to see that,

that's expected, I, said, so when there was a very great

that was a moment here between who? Between who? Bertran and the

cartel said, oh, that there Many of mortals, they said that I was, Hey, come, you're just a turn because we're to occupy. No, I'm not yet, but if I've

arrived, then, I'd be able to be here, because the majority had been a lot of, a lot of, a lot of here in the front of that, and no, but not yet, but there, I'm, and I'm, I'm going to start with them. Not as much as if the

war, to go to the war, sales, balacetasas, more than my job was to to be to be in the area of the area, the people that were disarranted, those who were robing, those were in the world, and that's, that they were,

because that's, the area, the area, the area, and the other, and the acano, for the back, they were,

for the guys, and for here, but I was doing cartels of in Sinalo, no more than every to get to their, because

the, because the, they had the division of the, of the, and you, and you trained

with a key, an K-47, other types of arms? Well, no, in reality, when I went to my first time, no, no, no, no, no, I feel in the instrument,

no, more me, what I knew, what I saw, and what I, did, you know, before, I had worked with

pistols of, and the most only knew, so it was so, when I was, when I got the when I got the

arm, as he got a, and he said, when one a minute, more, more, time,

A, a pierre, a gunner, a gunner, a gunner, then, so, before they go to go to a, one of a, a part of a camp, a demonstration, a basic, a, a, a, a certain, or, like, use, or, like,

to use your, the night, the night, then, then, I got another arm, that is the, the R-15,

was similar, and, yeah. Yeah. Never, no, here, the,

the, my cintura, you'll get them. At the port, you'll get them, because not any other than you. You have to do, but you have to do something, you have to do. It's a very good. And not, like, see, visible,

because there's, they're in there, and they're in, that's, they're not, it's better. And, then,

when I, in my life, had I, I've seen, the, the, the, the,

and I was surprised, and I'm surprised, because, so, is, something, is something,

something, it's, In my reason, I just, I just feel like the foot, well, the foreman, and for the corner, it's more, more, more, more, like, I'm more, like, what I think, so, so, yeah, so, but.

You, I recall your, your first, matanza, your, first, your, first, your first, yeah, that,

well, I, I don't remember what I was, but, it was the residue of what had had been in the war, and, we were, because they were

medicated, and that day I not were never, but we were not they were waiting to do we go ahead, to do weir, and to, to try, because we got to, we got, but of the right up, and then, from the bottom, and then I was

where I was in the car, all the ballanced, all, I don't know, because I think that I'm floged, but I was, but I was, all the cover, all the silhouette,

but where I was in the table. And then, the window, in the spectre, all the boat, and I looked at the all right, I didn't even see, I'm going to take it from here,

because I was to go to go to the door, and I was to go. And I thought that I didn't know the point, but if,

it's the first time that I was in a tirade, and I felt like, I, I've seen the adrenaline, but

I, didn't, I said, I said, I said, I'm, and I said, and I, and I,

and I, responded, but, but if you, if you, if you, if you're, like, like, if you're in the nervous,

I mean, it's because if you felt like to zoom the ball and that's, like, and I was like to get me when I was trying, I couldn't move me, like, I didn't, like, it's like, it's just the fear,

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police or the people that consumed drugs? You had to damage to them?

What were your objectives? Your normal? When I was the country patriard

the vigilance was like, as I were the saying that they

were to start the company to the businesses and

and getting in January, then we had had been various in list and we're and we're going to

go out and we're we're and we're also also to do you to

get to get to someone but in in CEN I remember

that I only one that I remember that I said

I was I did but I did but we're many

many and they say, And if carers like you, what do you do, that do you normally, and how do you

pay, how do you pay, is better, or is different each person? One person more important, that is an

objective, you, they're more, or how it works? I think, I would have to be for them. The commandants,

the commandants of the team of them, they're going to a little more, but the person in the same is the same, the same, the same.

The same. The same. Yeah. And how, how many, how many people, how, how many,

times, every, I see, a month, or every six months, the receive this call, or,

or, someone has to get to go, or, or someone has to disappear, or what is, Well,

ultimately, now not here, here, here, here, no, no,

no, no, no, when they're when they're to get to the, to the

other parts of other to the other places, and if it's when, it's

when it's a matter, but there's, but here is more more

to be more to get, that not to get the to get the to the country, that,

those can't this, here, what's the matter? And as when I said, well,

like, you know, like you're in the house, you'll see, or you're going, or is located and you're

and so you go to know, but of many people, who's who's who people, or the people,

or the chiefs of the plaza, has been of what is going with our government,

with Trump and all the time, amazes, of, to, to, and,

to, , to, to give our EGercito. You think that affect them to the

capos and they're saying no, less matanzas, like they fall in

or they're in care. They're more more careful. Because no,

there's because they're very vigilant. But I know, no, I don't

think they're not, but they know, but we also we also we can't

because if the people is much more than the the

place. So, more than the is the that's the that's the response. We're not we're not we're trying

like to say to give the teleno that we're not we're not we're those of because

they're those of the they're defending the but not but not it's

okay okay very well very very well and they are in in Gala

in this moment or not? But the moment no, but really, who knows? For the fact that the case, not is who's the case, who can't, with who you go to there, because we've always been

to send a lot, and they were the same Mayos and shappos, and now, to the field, in which in Kuliacarne has, and then, you know, they're just to get, but here still doesn't get. I see? Right, all right. We're still in, in stella.

And, we're in, in time. And, well, if there had been called, to what I have to do the And the company Sanorra like the Capos

of Sanora or work on or work on those capos in Sinaloa or you

are independent No no no no no no no we're three we're from the property from

we're from we're for me it's the same because it's no matter there's no matter in in Singapore

but there's not there I've got to In the frontier I'm up to okay

but if someone I don't see I or other uh

they would in what cartel what organization you

do? How you would respondar you my cartel of my

wow okay okay and the those the chopisa

or the maisas the rap chippes because I'm

don't because I'm And the Call of Mayo and of all what is going to with Ovidio

and they're all the world knows what they're doing with the government has affected what is what is going to

you know because we're like we we're we're always we're we're but

but we the deal that the the battle also came to the they're still talking,

then I don't know I don't know I'm still. I'm going to go to the command the command of I'm going to I'm going to

because I want because I'm for me in the job, no, I don't have no,

I'm so I'm so I'm a but if I know the command of the that I'm saying,

I'm going to I'm going, no, no, no, no, where I'm more sure,

where I'm more secure, where I'm, where I'm, I'm more closer, but I'm, in,

in, Where you're in that right in that moment? For the area.

No, what you do you? For that for you? Okay. Okay.

And for how time has since has? Oh. I

think like about nine eight, eight, wow, is much time?

Well, I'm pretty from the because from the from the point

to right not so and not. And not that has I've been

put up but I'm in the way Fault of evidence Yeah Yeah I'm

I'm It's not When the government And I Let's talk And I'm And go

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they're, But if there were con that that that they're not that's involved for one error, then they're saying, because they're I always said,

no, if the government is from here, ah, then we're more in a little, if you go to the unit, and at the unit, and at least,

to me, not you know, so, and so, you're, to, because right, because right,

no, no, but, never to pass to the guardian, no, The day that it would be that again, that is when you start a period of government, and the people, it's when it's to put more

tens of, it's, it's just the of the people, that's the time, that's the like that was before, in other other places, in the streets, at all hours. Even my abuera said that was, even if I was, living, for another part, to work,

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my, my, my, partner, she's, he's, but not, but not very, because, because the risk of my life, and know that's

good, but, but I don't, I can do other other thing, I know, I know, I know,

I don't know, no, I don't know, this is what I do, and, and, and, but I'm, I'm, so, I'm,

not detent to my house, I, so, detent me, the moment that I'm not I'm there all the time but when I'm

doing so I'm so I'm I'm going to I'm going to see I'm with my family I'm

because I don't see if it's you know and you know and how

you know affect the job affect the job you personally as in the you

don't use drugs well is well I imagine I mean I imagine that

many many many there are many that are that is that the

is that the is when we go to go to a part where there's a lot. So if I'm a little bit,

I'm a put in, it's what that's what I'm that's what I'm abiv. But when I am I'm sorry, I'm,

then I'm, it's when I just when I'm a little, but not a little, I'm a lot, I'm a lot,

I'm, so, so, so, for that that's, that's where I'm, because the

enemies are from the other part, no other are the people. And if they're enemies, when I'm so you, the war is

those who come to the people. You're enemies? No. No, no. No, no. I don't know.

I, so. My job, I'm my job. I'm my job. And I'm not. I'm not going to do. But, but in the

times of war, nobody did you, you attempted to, you know, no,

no, no. No, no. No. No. I mean, my job is, I mean, my job is the

order, no more. So, so I'm, the order, the order, I'm, The order of the

The order of the I don't I don't No, I don't No, no, I never, I mean, If someone

had a problem So, I mean, I, I don't, I don't, no, I'm, no,

my, responsibility of the job, yeah no. Why? Because? Because,

the, those people, are the, the government, is all, the government, so, so,

so, if I, if I could, I, I could, I could, if I could do,

another other thing, but I would , I don't, no, no, I'm afraid of a bit

a job well, because, because, uh, I'm going to say I'm not no,

then I'm, so, it's like, is how, it's like, is how you, is it, is a more

sure of to be a, so, a car, or a, a, a,

a, a, a, a, a, he's, he's, because they're the objectives

of the government and all the, the, the, the, the, pressure that we

the United we put them to them the place that's the way to get up so much

want to do because the money, much of but I don't, I don't see the

the ganache if you have to be all the time, you know, you can't you,

I wish to have the car in because the people see that supered, but then

so you don't know so much if you care to or you get to to get to

the car or get to the for how how much you can do you throw away.

For your time you felt that you know much much I'm not

yeah yeah because you know to have time or money because

they have to invest because they're much they're much to

connect you don't don't I don't you know you know you

know you know that have that has retired well

you understand you that are Or not? No? No?

What? What happened? To what they've happened? The people are who are who are they are in the other

part and they're not in the carse? And the those that are the that

that are that? But you what are to do you? You're to be

the murder? Well, yes. I'd want to go to I'd like, I'd

want to know, no, no. Because I do you know that I do many things,

but I don't me don't mean, that I I'm not other parts of things that not have

to be a lot of where live, not that's what you? Mata is more normal

for you after eight years? No, no, or you feel bad of every

body? Yeah, because I see that there's a person there's a family

that, that's like I was still in the house, but it's like if

me could talk in a man, I'm to go in the hill and I

talk with those that are playing and then I'm to go to go to him

and he the way the same he's the he's in the respect I'm not

I'm not saying I'm in reality no me just it's

or I or you or it or it or the and if me took on the moment

that were the then the moment you're you have a

an one an no no or they matter to

order. Okay. The order is a order and if you have to do it

because they're not because you want. But normally how you see the majority of

victims are involved in groups? No, no, but I don't say,

how, and who didn't because the people, it's because

it's because it's because it has to something I don't me feel that bad.

But if the person no no one doesn't if you don't know, if the

cab- in your family then his family the that's the way that's that's

not because if I'm going to put to a lot to be going to be

my my mom and my my my my spouse my my

my wife because I go and I do you and I'm you're to

you're just only no no no no there I see I didn't

know because I thought and if me they're they're not

they're not I'm then I'm so I'm when the it's when

is my reality because I'm bad, because I don't know. It's a little bit of a lot more a lot more. It's a lot of there. There's

I've heard that in Halisco, right, there are many, many women who are you? Is there are you? Is there in the north? No, no. One or another, but no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I've taken in the action, but I see that they're in, but I'm not so, I'm not, but I'm not, no, no, no, famous. And that they're,

obligate, like, in Tamaripas, that they're in those, that are they, they're obligated, or, you know, that's so, no, that's a lot of,

how people that have, you know, you know, you know, I, know, the more,

the way, okay, that's, okay, but you, but you, you've, you,

you've got, yeah, sometimes, I can't, I can't, think, in, what I'm

when I'm when I'm when I'm, what I'm when I'm when, but, but,

just, only, the only, just no more than the time for time. But I have recognized

of your superiors and your heffes that are a good job? If

no, no, it's the, the, the, the, the,

and I don't you do you do you do you, I'm like, I'm,

I'm, I'm, it's like, it's like, it's, it's I'm going

to say, I'm all the all, no, I've , we're

retroceded no everything. All right. When you have a trial, a

issue, how time you're in study and prepare you? Well,

many a they're there's in the areas and they're not

because they're located. I have to go to come on the

right and that so that is when it's when it was because

I went I really not know I that came from the time so.

But, but no, we don't get to the point because they're they're not but it was one of the

one of the part, a part not very from, not very from a very long, a pletia

that refused a piece of that just that I'm that I'm that I'm that I said,

I'm going to say, that I'm going to that not, that was that I'm, that I'm coming

with, with a, with a, with a pistol, I only, to to kill a, a, a, a, man to try a, a gunned, and with a scot of 10, 10, 10,

people, I said, oh, this is not, so, no, I'm going to go to get to, but I'm going to tell them, and I say, what case has? And I said, but, but, well, because,

if no, I'm going to I'd have been, I'd have been, I'd have been, I'd, you? You know, no. You're just, you? Well, I'm going to do. I'm going to do. I'm going to do.

I said, no, I'm going to do. I said, well, I'm going, that they canceled the plan and they said, yeah, I'm going to another

but I said, I'm going to go to be, I said, that's like, I'm going to like,

people who are, but, or I think, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's,

he's, no, that's, very significant, very important for you. But he says, if you do

it's a fair and you're going to go to you, I'm going to, you know, you know,

you know, you're, you're doing, you're, you're, you're part of a Okay, a

A team of Cicarios? Okay, how many people, how are people are? Bustante.

Oh, yeah? We're, we're doing exactly, but if it's it's a thought that

it's not easy to the terrain where we're but if you have a objective

like in the central of Nogales urban, you, you're not, only, only,

only, only, only, only, just a one or two people. This is this strategy

if you you're, you're, you're, flash and you're going to comment and you're active so that you're going to see if you're

shakas a one has to report and they're going to get to get it's like as a plan a plan of a goal

but they're objectives but in the terrain in the sierra you're like an mini-ehercito

with the great arms and you have to get with the with

with a leg The cargators, the rifle, then's a fergators, the mochila with the water, a little longer, and you have to come in, come in and come,

and come, and say, if you're going to, come, and the way, so that the a kid, and,

then, and, then, so that's, for that I, do, that's why I, that's,

that's not, that's not, because if I'm a lot, I don't get to the condition, no, no,

no, you have to be in form? No, you're, what you're, what you're going to, what you're going to do,

If you say, no, we're not going to put in the rifle, because I, because I'm before, before that, before that, I, when all of them, I took to come to walk, guling to the United. And we came down for 30 days. 30 days? 30 days? Well, there were, and I, and I, and I'd say that when they were not paid. I said, no, I don't go there.

But if, if 30 days, we're from here, from. To be. Another, another, other. Oh, there. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. So, yeah.

So, yeah. So, but, so. as we've got to be able to we need to be able to move to the part of where we used to do it, it was able to do so. When will be there people 30 days, but when they they got me paid them in my

pay them to pay me my dollars because I never had never seen any dollars. I'm going to pay them dollars. Wow. Wow. It's a good lot. I said, me never said that I'm going to go to get back, but when I did it, I said, if I went to say, if I didn't

When I had the form of that you go, you know, they'd pay them, and said, but when they'd say, oh, yeah, but when I was, but then, but then, then, that's the, of, that's the, that's the, yeah, I'm going to do that.

Hmm. That's, that was, before, I said, because, you know, because it, I mean, so, I'm going to be, but, no, not with a band of the cartel,

but someone who had much material to think, and me, he said, much of them. Uh-huh. You have you worked in other states? Yes,

the enemies the United States, no, but in the States or not in other parts in other parts like the

Govan, Agafietta, Canonea, Santana. And there are musillos. The enemies

try to enter from the north or the when they get to them in a

place for example if they met them for the I'm very difficult

but for it is that there are there. There are there

can't the same line, we're going to go to go to the command and we're we're

going to two, three months, four months, five months, when you come on,

we're not stationed a because it not not as a other that's incredible.

It's one hour here, and so we go to get a 15 and so.

So you vireas there's there in the middle of the desert

for like 15 days 30 days? No, five, five, 15

months? Like about eight months that was the that was the and where they were

where they were camping and we were some people there were food yeah and

you know and all that yeah so that we all we're we're going to we're

you're seeing you're you're still you're family, then you experience? Because there's

because there there's not, you care in them, you know, you know, to

have to be not the end of the team, because if you're in a war, and form

a other war, within your team, you know, you have, you know, you have to

not you don't have to keep, to be here, and you, you know, we're, we're just,

we're just, we're we're going, we're we're, if we're we're, we're

we're just, and we're If we're not that we have to be to get a lot, we have to we have to be able to, we need to get to do that. You're not. You're not going to

do you. It's the same is the same the same thing of a exercise. It's different. But what is, the, the,

the people have to the, the team has the, you know, you have to, you know, you have to, if you're, if you're,

if you're, if you're, if you're, with, with the, so, to that you go. I mean, the

disqualance of one, it's all and the matter of one, then the risked to all,

so if we see that something, let me have the other two, he'll have the head,

and the commande, and he said that not for that not that he or

that he or that's, or that other, but other position. But as the,

the, the, they're not, they're not, they're they're, they're the same, they're

for the same, they're the same. And, then they're for for to play with us. We're going to

go to and get to you're because you to live to your family. You're the

only sicario that you know, of where you're from you know,

you know, you know, to other people, with who gris, you, that,

that's to be a , so, you're the only, you're the only,

you're the, no, no, no, I, there one when I don't

say he said he said he was he was he was he was he was he was

he was all the we've we've we've we've for two and

I've got that's what you're going to with all this and the politics of the

of the United what will what will result in the three years

when he's president Donald Trump? Well, who knows? Because that's the, for them, the presidents are the that they're in the

desaltern, then they're in the people who are and, and, but how it's how it?

How will affect you and your organization? No, I'd say in the because we, we've,

we've, we've, the people, who are the people, who are, that's the other side, that's being

being deponted or a drug, it's because, if, money to provide us. We think that they can get to and they can do.

They can't do that. That's what they're that they're that they're to be. We have to we're doing that they're

that they're that they're to get to and so that's even and so that's that's what

that we can't that can't say that. And we're we're we're because because, because we're

because not, because They don't want to, like, as the, as a government more, we're doing,

we're not, we're in, we're, we're, we're having arms, we're having things of cellar,

so we can't, make, so, not, so, but with those politicians,

you can continue doing your job, without, so, so, more or

the problem, that in the problem, that in the cruzia, it's, because it's, more,

more, more, more, more, more, more, like I'm a little circle, the push

from here to that's the that's the that's the one of the people, not me,

like those who are so they're so they're so they're for us because they know,

but you can't you know you can you know you you're no

there's no apparently not there's because if you know they're

so you I'm I'm I'm because I'm I'm because I said that

I don't no It's like tradition because, you know, you can't not say it's

not because your profession let's not, your job, and it's for that you do you do that's when you

work. I'm, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I'm, like,

the, apart of the politicians, get, with a matanzas, being easy,

more or less or less, to escape you, despite of, you commit that's the problem

well, well, well, well, no. Right. Right. The police

are like corrupts or not valen vergas if that's another sicaria or other

people? Depend, it depends that depends against that's that they're to be

because if there were not people were not been so they're not

so they were so there there was there was there's a police.

Here, the municipal no the state and the state and the government with the

soldiers are put in you know you have to have to or, or,

yeah, matter or, or, yeah, matter of not, no,

no, no, no, never, never to have never to have

to have to this moment, no. It's here, this law not

doesn't, no, no, no, so, no. Uh, I've

this I'm that's they're in the osillo but here no, no,

no, no, no, no, I don't give to go to move

no, no, it's because it's calient more and so

because it's more more a little yeah, yeah, yeah,

with all reason, with all reason. What want is that your

children? No, what I'm doing I do, that's obviously. Obio,

obviously. No, so they're, they're they're like a little,

who I said, he's not, if he wants to be able to do, school, school, and I'll do it, and I'll do all the, to them, and I'm going to, because the majority of if they're in the list of them, are more than they're young. And you know what you do, your father? Yes. Yeah.

Yeah. How many years? How many years have you? Yeah, I think I said, I was a police, I was my daughter when I was in the radio. I'm a policeian, not the top of that. I don't think of that. But they're not.

very good with me, they're in the past. And the, yeah, but the kid, is intelligent, and he likes the school. He, he's still, and he says that at the beginning, but yeah, no, because I'll explain,

and I said, and I said that, how had been a lot of people in the desert for, to go, that's easy, that's a,

that's a, it's a, it's a, that is something, that's something, that's something, that's the moment that I said,

I'm going to manch the ones, I'm not, I can't, until the fact, I, I'm not, I'm not,

I don't think you want to be like, apart. That is more intelligent, he's more intelligent that I'm more intelligent to me more, that's more different,

because I don't know the things so it's more, it's more, it's all, it's all. It's like, it's normal because it's

very soon. But I'm, that no do it, and that, and that, that any day, what I'll have done what I've done,

they're going to affect I think you're going to go out after you're or not? How?

Do you think you go to go to get to get to the police

or they're or they're so, in a way I can

but no, in the moment not not too not not too,

but I'm yeah, I'm yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

will serve much too. I don't see in the environment, but I don't be able to not be able

to get to not be able to serve. I'll risk for you, okay? I'll

that, ohla, that, that you go to in time. For a problem,

I, if, I, I've been to say, but what the people,

is that I go, I'm going to put them in the malady, I don't want to

to start. What is, be to be able to do with the little that I've done with my family, and to recover what I've learned, the time with them, with my mom, because I know that some day not be able to be, and that's why I think that I'm there and I'm saying,

if my mom's a man has a fever, and have if I'm not going to be there, I'm not going to pardon. Something like, or that something that something that's in my house and that I can't do I, I think, but some day at a little, and if I'm not feeling bad with you,

you know, and if you're that's the old are the you know. You believe in the

God? Yeah. I think you're, I think you will, I

pardoning I think you for what does it? I'm really like

because my old always me incorporate to that God

does if you do if you repent in the person for

if if I don't do. First, I want to, I want to, I want to, I want to give me the, like, as well, if I'm going to be, if my family,

if I'm too, not even if I'm not. When I'm in my house, when I'm with my family, if I'm still, I'm not in the night. I'm not, not so,

because I don't know, I think that they're going to or be a police or, but I, a, I always, that's, I always, I always, I always, And, and then when I had manned,

I don't know if I had the arm to have been and so that's not okay because they're that they're that they're in the

that's the if I feel more in me. The last question, you think, to what opinions?

How do you Mexico? Like, a country, is better or pejorando? Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

Well, the truth, the truth, I think, the mal and the the Well, it's a question of the

government, man, the government is the that is the that is the that's the

because if the government could the we're not not not have not

because the government because the because he always received part of the

party of the government and that is the detail that the corruption

no this will be better and so so if

there were against the United or or Russia

and we we we're we because the government of here it's not I've seen

that the United not see because the government is not there's there's products but not not

too much yeah yeah yeah yeah the money it's the money to

and not I don't know how it can't how it I don't know it would

be a yeah it would be the matter yeah the all the people are this system

that's this system that's the system of the product that we have. And the police is mal. The police is not. Because they're not, because they're not because they're not, because they're that they're not allowed to, not

permitted, with the people, with the people that they've got to lose for a little bit of the time, they're just they're living, no, I see. Thanks. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. And I want that you're good. Okay? Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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