The Connect- with Johnny Mitchell - Confessions Of A Cali Cartel Hitman: Colombian Sicario Reveals A Liftetime Killing For The Cartel

Episode Date: September 14, 2025

In this explosive episode, we sit down with Alex Vargas, a former gang member and cartel sicario who lived through one of the most dangerous eras of crime. Born in Cali, Colombia but raised in Florida, he grew up in gangs, survived violent wars with rivals, and even faced a 65-year sentence in the U.S. before being repatriated back to Colombia. He opens up about: -His violent childhood and early murders committed “for fun” in Colombia -Joining street gangs in Florida and waging wars against Jamaicans, Cubans, and Latin Kings -Attempted murder of a cop and a life sentence that should have ended his story -The shocking way he was freed through Colombia’s repatriation system in the 1990s -Working with hitmen and experiencing the dark side of the Cali Cartel era -How his life spiraled through crack, basuco, and violence before eventually transforming This is one of the rawest, most unfiltered looks into the world of gangs, drugs, and the cartels — told by someone who lived it on both sides of the border. Go Support Alex! For English Lessons Anywhere In The World Contact Alex On WhatsApp: [phone] This Episode Is #Sponsored By The Following: True Classic! Upgrade your wardrobe and save on @trueclassic at https://trueclassic.com/CONNECT! #trueclassicpod Mando! Control Body Odor ANYWHERE with @shop.mando and get 20% off + free shipping with promo code MITCHELL at https://shopmando.com! #mandopod Mood! Head to https://mood.com to find the functional gummy that matches exactly what you're looking for, and let Mood help you discover YOUR perfect mood. And don't forget to use promo code CONNECT when you check out to save 20% on your first order. Join The Patreon For Bonus Content! https://www.patreon.com/theconnectshow 00:00 Meet Alex Vargas: From Killer to English Teacher 01:36 Violent Roots: Family History in Colombia 05:05 Gang Life in Florida: Brothers in Crime 09:30 Escalating Violence and Early Addictions 13:10 Florida Gangs, Drive-Bys, and Crime Culture 15:12 This Episode Is Sponsored By True Classic! 16:55 Deportation and Sentencing: Repatriation Loophole 24:35 Florida Prison: Proving Yourself Amidst Killers 33:04 Return to Colombia: New Life, Old Enemies 37:00 Cartel Connections: Family Betrayal and Violence 40:11 This Episode Is Sponsored By Mando And Mood! 44:17 Back and Forth: US, Colombia, and Rising Up the Cartel 54:34 Becoming a Hitman for the Cali Cartel 01:00:00 Ecuadorian Prison: Survival, Addiction, and Brutality 01:13:07 Prison Riots, Forced Violence, and Hitting Bottom 01:20:10 Out of Prison: Drug Wars, Family, and New Cartels 01:24:00 Life as a Cartel Operative: Robbery, Violence, and Loyalty 01:32:00 Work for a Narco Boss: Trust, Drugs, and Betrayals 01:41:29 International Expansion: Honduras and the Maras 01:48:47 Cartel Wars: Guarantee Man in Honduras 01:57:00 Return to Colombia: Final Escape and Confrontations 02:01:00 Rock Bottom: Addiction, Homelessness and Recovery 02:08:09 Getting Sober, Redemption, and Teaching English 02:15:00 Reflections, Consequences, and Redemption Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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This was not for money. This was for fun. Here in Columbia, I could kill anybody. Nobody talks. It was the law of silence. When you're a killer and you see some other guy that he's got cold blood, you know, you can feel it. Somebody can say, hey, that guy killed my dad

and they'll come and shoot me in my head and there's nothing I can do about it. Alex Vargas is a former Colombian hitman with one of the craziest life stories I've ever heard. He was born in Collie Columbia, but raised in the slums of Fort Lauderdale, Florida in the 1980s, where he was a gangbanger and a delinquent pretty much from the beginning. After serving time for shooting a cop while he was still a teenager, Alex got deported back to Columbia, where he worked in cocaine laboratories as a heroin mule,

and then as a cicadio, a hitman, for one of the most powerful drug bosses of the Kali cartel, the largest cocaine cartel in the history of the world. He went in and out of drug addiction, and at one point was sleeping on the street, of Kali. He also served time in a bloody maximum security prison in Ecuador, which is one of the most violent in South America. Today, he's clean and sober, has his family back, and works as an English instructor at an elite English school here in Kali, Columbia. If you know anyone who needs English lessons, not just in Colombia, but anywhere in the world, we're going to put the link to Alex's information in the description of this episode. And for more, behind the scenes footage

of our time here in Colombia, make sure to check out that Patreon. Patreon. Patreon.com, slash, the Connect show. All right, guys, this is one for the history books. Alex Vargas, right here on The Connect with Johnny Mitchell. How ironic is that your mother to keep you safe from gangs and trouble in the 1980s sent you to Columbia for the summers? Exactly, because she thought that I would be better off here with my dad. But, you know, my dad, he's got his own personal story. As a matter of fact, people have told me that my dad used to be in the gorilla when he was younger in those days. As a matter of fact, a long time ago, I remember we were in the house and we were kids. And I remember cops barged in. And that time was called EF2.

EF2 is like, have you heard of the Daes? Yeah. Efeos is like before the Daes. And they were some bad motherfuckers. And they would just come looking for you and they would kill you. The cops. Yeah, the cops. They were going to bust you, but they would kill you because they wanted to get rid of the problem from the root.

Right. So there is a story where we remember that my dad was there and he just escaped. Yeah. And they found guns there and everything. But he got away. So you were two. You're born in Collie. And when you're two years old, your mom leaves your dad.

Yeah, exactly. They got separated because the story, the story before we were human born is the story that goes around because I have some half brothers here. And the story is that my dad fell in love with my mom. So he, some say that his first wife was cheating on him. some say that he killed his first wife to marry my mother. But what we do know is that they found that first wife. They found her in a, you call it a potrero. That's like a little, I don't know how the hell you would say to our names because I've never seen them.

You know, it's like a little village area or a little rural village area where you only find cows and mountains and this and that. But they found her over there with no ears and no nipples dead. That is an old world village. Yeah. Sick stuff. Yeah. Wow. So you have that in you, that, that criminality is from your father.

Exactly. That criminality could have, you know, it could be in, it could be genetic. Yeah. Because even though my mom tried to do her best job in the States and we grew up in gangs, we were ruthless in gangs. Because it's three of us. I told you it's three, we're three brothers. As a matter of fact, my brother got the day off on Sunday because he thought I was going to have the interview on Sunday, and he was just going to come and chill with us to, you know.

So you guys all end up getting deported. Yeah, we all, yeah, I got repatriated. Yeah. What's the difference? The difference is that I was already sentenced for attempted murder on a cop. I was already sentenced for a prison term. And then they came up to me and gave me the opportunity after I served a five-year sentence and they were repatriating Colombians, which I had told you about that.

And I'll tell you again if you need to. So they started repatriating because the drug dealer, needed away. You know, drug dealers in Colombia, they pay off everything and they don't pay jail time. You know, and if they don't, people don't take money, then they kill them. It's either money or money or bullet. That's what Pablo Escobar used to say. Plata or plomo. But how did that, so the Colombians getting repatriated? Exactly. So then the Colombians in the state, since they were already in the states, then what they did is they influenced the government here in Colombia. I imagine they paid them off or threatened them, who knows what the hell they did. But,

But they, the Colombian government convinced the American government that it was against human rights for these prisoners to be doing their time over there. They couldn't get no visits, no family, because they were wrong. So they asked for them to be able to come to Columbia and serve their prison time here. That way their family could visit them and all that crap. So they started repatriating Colombians here to do that. But once the Colombians came here, then the government, just said, hey, you know, you didn't commit a crime in our country.

Yeah. So you're free. Go commit crime. Yeah, continue trafficking and give us more money. So, right. So they threw me since I was a native Colombian and born here. Then they gave me that shot. But at first it was for just drug dealers, for drug crimes. It was not possible to get that done for violent crime.

Right. But, you know, they just wanted to get rid of another motherfucker. So before they knew it, they dropped my charges from attempted murder and allele to resisting arrest with armed violence. Okay. Tell us about what happened to catch your case. So you grew up in Florida. You're born in Calais, Columbia. You come.

Your mom brings you and your brothers to. Yeah, to sunrise, Boulevard, to be more exact. Broward County. Okay. Oh, it's hood. It's still shitty. Tons of pedophile parks. But Broward County is one of the sketchiest, as if.

codes in America. And you're there in the 80s. Yeah, I didn't even know that. You see, so I'm right. Yeah, you're right. Exactly. Spot on. No wonder. So what was like the gang life? Tell us about the gang life. So the gang life, we grew up there in gang. My brother was the first one to join the gang, the older brother. He joined the gang called Spanish Cobra's. And then from there, we started joining the gang, which was called Fult Nation, this one here, which is very known in the States. Fult Nation, I've heard of them. We fight against the Latin. We hate the Latin Kings. You know, The Latin Kings are like more known because of the name.

But Latin disciples is the ones that, in other words, we're with the blue and black gang, like with the Crips kind of chat in that area. And the other gangs that we fought against were like in the Latin Kings. They were gold and black, red and black, those kind of colors. Okay. So growing up in street gangs, well, it was three brothers. So we were bad motherfuckers because why? Because, I mean, if you are willing to die for one of your homeboys,

what are you going to do for your brother? So imagine three brothers in the same gang. I mean, when somebody did something, the three of us went to him. You didn't have a problem with one guy. You had a problem with three guys. So we were bad motherfuckers. And then after that, you know,

we had the reputation. In that day, it was all about people talking. So we would find out that in North Lauderdale, some kids in school were talking about, the folk nation, the fuck folk nation, and this and that. And we would find out from that, from the girls.

The girls are the ones that always did that crap because girls were always looking for gang members and this and that. So girls would come and tell us, oh yeah, you see this guy really, he's always dishing you guys and this and that. So we would go to that school

and fuck those guys up or shoot them or stab them, whatever. We were very young, so we weren't still killing them. We were just stabbing, beating up, you know, and going out, you know, like, I don't know, in those days, you know,

the teenagers you would go out in the street and look for trouble and then somebody looked at you wrong, you would beat them up, or you would shoot them up or whatever. Then you started growing into that gang. Then you started doing drive-by shootings. Then you would start getting doped up, always with weed.

And then you would go and start looking for people to shoot from the other gang. And then you would do drive-bys, like the normal gang history in the States. You were gang banging like a black guy from South Central as a Colombian in Florida. As a matter of fact, we joined our own little chapter, and it was called Colombian. It was called Colombian. I forgot now. We had Colombian Latin disciples, and then we had Colombian Regis, I remember.

We had some type of sign like they was like Colombian. I don't remember it that much, something like that. Colombian regis. And we were just called Colombians because the majority of our gang were all from Colombia, but they were not, in others, they were like us.

They grew, maybe they were born in Colombia, or they grew up in Colombia, or for some reason they were from Colombians. family, but the majority of that family in those days, they were drug traffickers. So their parents were drug traffickers, their uncles were drug traffickers, somebody was in prison. So we were like the, we wanted to be like them. Right. Yeah.

Yeah. It was very immature, obviously, and all that crap. But then we started going deeper. Now we were stealing car radios. I remember we used to go just down the street one that when you could steal a car radio like in 20 seconds. we just go to the back of a window car with the damn screw jar you get that little window

then you'd go in with your elbow put your hand in there unlock the door and then from the back seat you would stretch over there to the radio pop, pop, and then you had the radio and you were gone. And we would do that down the street with like seven or eight cars

and by the time we finished the neighborhood we had like 20 or 30 radios. And then we would go straight to this guy his name was, what was name? Fuck, Ronnie, I forgot his name. He was a nigger from the hood. And we would take him all the crap And he sold cars

He sold cars and coke and guns That was his little deal So we started getting cars I mean we all had caddies And that time we had caddies like a nigger Like the black guys We had Cadillacs We didn't even have a driver's license

But we had Cadillacs And this guy would do everything So we could get the car And then we started doing arm robberies Then in my case My brothers continued doing all that crap And this and that But I started going a different way.

I started getting in with the big-time armed robbers. They chose me because I had a lot of heart. And I mean, I was really good at what I did. And, you know, I never worried about it. You know, I was just like a bullet, you know, with no stopping. So these bigger guys started getting me. I remember the Cubans. At that time, the fucking Marielito started coming from Cuba.

And they started putting the crime rate up in Miami. And then there were a lot of gangs of Cuban stealing. you know, and they would always come and look for me because I was bad because I was young and bad. I mean, while, you know, they would drive up and start like saying, okay, should we go and get that guy. And they would drive these other Cubans with these big gold chains and that there were like crackheads and soul crack.

So I was always young and I was like, come on, man. They stop wasting our time. It's better just to do it at once before the cops come and they call in and suspicious. So I would just... So they would hesitate, but you never hesitate. Exactly. I would just jump out the car and boom,

ready. I'd be... Boom, boom, boom, and I'd just do what I had to do. Then they would come with me. And then we would go to that night to shoot pool and celebrate. They would be doing coke.

I was just a jitterbug, and I was doing the same thing. Then I got... Then at one point, I remember I started living in a house with one of these damn Cubans that sold crack. And I don't remember too much,

but I do remember you to sell crack a lot to women. And as a gang member, he had me go with these girls. And that's when I tried crack for the first time. Yeah, you didn't snort crack. You smoked it. Yeah, I smoked it. Yeah, I did Coke normally, like a normal Colombian.

And, I mean, that didn't phase me, didn't do anything. It was just like something because that when you're young, you're not hooked yet. How did crack compare to bassook? No, crack is bad. I mean, crack is bad. And, and, and, and, and. But all we've seen since we've been in Colombia in Medellin and now in Cali are Basuko communities that look like zombie zones. Yeah.

Probably worse than the fentanyl zones. Like what we saw today kind of. Yeah, exactly. So you've been addicted to both. Yeah, yeah. So how would you compare the rush from crack to the rush from Basuko? Yeah. Spring weekends are all about family, sunshine, and evenings on the patio.

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But when I was in the stage doing the crack deal, I wasn't addicted to, yeah, I probably was addicted to it, but I didn't feel like I was addicted to it because I wasn't, you know, stealing and, and feaming in the floor for a wrong.

Yeah, you weren't a junkie. You know, I was just, you know, doing the normal deal. So as a matter of fact, I remember this guy, he pissed me off one time because he had me screwing these women smoking crack.

And one day he treated me like shit. So one day I just, my brother got out of prison. And so I went, so he told me, you know, I just got out. What can I do? Help me out.

I said, oh, don't worry about him. That guy was taking a shower, and I remember I took his two pistols. I took a fucking can like that full of crack rocks. I'm talking about like that. And I took all his money and stole his car. Wow. To pick up my brother.

And that day I shot some motherfucker over there. Well, it was a pain in the ass. But what's the difference? The difference is very simple. Basuko is the garbage that is scraped. Are we filming? No. Okay.

Basuko is the garbage that we scrape from what is left over when they are crystallizing the cocaine, for example. Okay, that's the garbage. That's what they mean, but too cut out of it. They put bricks in that crap. I mean, it's just some total bullshit. Unless you get it like from the Putumaggio where they sell base. Base is the closest thing you're going to get to crack.

Okay? But it hasn't been processed with bacon, soda, or ammonia yet. Right. In the states, they do it with ammonia. That's how they make the crack. Okay, but the crack that they make in the States comes from a kilo that came from Colombia that is 100%.

So it's very, it's very, in other words, but in other words, crack is like high class bassoco. That's what it is. It's cleaner, yeah, it's pure. And it, of course, I mean, when you hit one of little $5 rocks, it's like smoking five papillitas of basuko.

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Yes, because when I came down here, my cousins, they were hitmen, and they were in with the mafia. So where? Where? In Pereira. In Pereira. Pereira is near Medellegina. Have you heard of Pereira? I've been to Florida. Okay, to those Kevara. Pereira, they were in that turf.

In that area, they were in Pereira and, and like Armenia, kind of also. In that little areas, they were. And, oh, no, and the one you don't even think about Carthago. Cartago, Bajik, which is real near Perf, I've heard of Cartago Valley. That's where it is north. That's where the north of Valle,

cartel, that's their area. Cartago is such, I mean, this place has never been raided. It's like an old school, and it still exists. It's like they really handled that little village there. Anyways, they were from that area. And they were active hitmen.

Yeah, they were active hitmen. And I was an active motherfucker coming from gangs in the States. I had already shot people. I had already killed like two or three, Not like because they hired me to kill them, but maybe in a drive-by or maybe some kids in a corner, I shot them up and then I found out one of them died. Yeah. Something like that.

Okay. And when I came to Columbia, so I started hanging out with these with my cousins. And everything first happened because my dad, he left my mom for the maid and he was screwing the maid. And the maid was a real bitch. Oh, no, she was cool. but the maid was taking advantage of my mom, of my dad, because he was older. I mean, she was like, you know, what, like 18, maybe him like 40 or 45, something like that. But she had grown already.

She had another child, another stepsister that I had. But she was always manipulating his money. And in other words, my dad was a pussy whipped. Yeah. And just like taking care of the family. So that really offended us and he was treating some cousins bad. So we just said, fuck this shit. We're going to put a hit.

on my dad. We're not going to kill my dad, but we are going to rob the shit out of him. And so we planned that out with one, with Gonzalo, which is a priest now, this guy, but he killed motherfuckers left and right. And, and, and, and we planned this him and I, like the most ruthless cousins of all. One of my half-brothers took my dad, you know, he called him and say, hey, we were going to make a deal and made him go to that downtown. So then I arrived to to the house, and we tied the bitch up. We stole everything. We stole, like, millions of pesos,

all his jewelry, all his money. We did, and then we want to run. And then my dad started getting the Das to find us, to kill us. They were going to kill us. And they never, I mean, they did catch us at the end, and they put us in prison and in jail, and the Pereira jail,

and then they sent us to Bogota. And we even came out in the newspaper, Los Aguilas Negras, they told us. No, Angelis Negro. Because they cut us, they busted us all dressed in black. like the men in black. So my dad was trying to get us killed by these people,

but they didn't kill us because we had hidden the majority of the merchandise that we stole from him, not drugs. It was like electronic where he worked with. Was he a drug dealer? No, my dad, I don't know about that because I don't think he ever messed with drugs. I never really saw any of that, but who knows?

I think from what I've heard, he was more of a weapon dealer. He was into weapons and all that crap. You would bring weapons from Ecuador and sell them and something like that is what he was in. So, so this guy, Gonzalo, and I had a competition for killing motherfuckers. That picture that you saw that I was with a 45. Yeah. That wasn't that time.

Okay. In that time, nobody would have a gun that big. Right. It was impossible. Are we talking about like 84 or? Yeah, something like like 80s. Yeah, like 85, 86, something like that. So you would actually commit murders on, like, your summer vacation?

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I would come here and say, yeah, because, I mean, in the stage, you have the police up the ass and it was difficult. But here in Columbia, I could kill anybody. How did you get work? Who hired you? No, no, no. No, this was not for money.

This was for fun. This was for fun and just to kill. And we would do our own little whiltas. And we would go and we would go and do some hits. and kill some people or basically my cousin was the one that had some types of contracts I would just go and kill

and then after that in that time it was El M. 109 where they were this motherfucker Petro is in Madezine 109 and they were there in Pereira they were in control so we would go and I remember he had a friend that was in the Madezine

and in that time in Pereira there was a street full of little bars little bars where people just go drink and the majority of the people that went to drink there were guerrilla people, hit men and drug and drug, not drug dealers, because the big drug dealers, the cop was there in their own area. Yeah. The people that work for them, the hit man,

the people that drive them around, the other motherfuckers, that's where they go and celebrate and drink. It's like a real sleazy area where people go and drink. So the idea there was to go and kill. We would drink, and then I remember one time we were, And that's where I learned to smoke bassook at that time. Because my cousin used to smoke bassook, but not the pipe deal. Yeah.

It was they put them in cigarettes. Have you heard of that? Yeah. Yeah, they put them inside cigarettes. It's called a pistolo. And when they smoke that crap, they like it. They like it. And then after we were all drugged, we, he was like, he said he needed to always kill somebody.

Because he, and he always had a little 25. and he would practice at home, he would go then, then he would just turn around, I remember, and shoot. And this and that, he was good. This motherfucker were the 25, he would just, before he knew, he would just, boom, and just with one shot, he would get you into heart. And this is Gustavo, who's now a priest?

No, no, yeah, his name is Gonzalo. Gonzalo, yeah, he became a priest. I don't know, I don't believe him, but. That's what, you know, we spoke about before the episode was how normalized it is to be in Columbia, and be hanging out with people like you and, you know, people that we've been recording with since I've been here, they have hundreds, maybe thousands of bodies on them.

But they've changed and life goes on. And now they made it. I might have a job. But this doesn't exist in America because it just doesn't, especially now. You're going to jail or you're going to end up dead yourself. Yeah, yeah. And you're screwed with a number and nobody hires you and all that bullshit.

Exactly. Exactly. No, that doesn't happen. Yeah, here's a whole different scenario. It's like there doesn't seem to be much deterrents for killing people, even today. Yeah, yeah, it's a whole different scenario. It's a whole different scenario. Now, as far as we used to have like a little competition. I told you that street was full of bars here and there. And I remember one time we were here and he killed the guy because the guy came over with

beers and slammed the beer on our table and spit on the, no, no, that was that guy I killed. I don't know, he did something on the table with a beer, so my cousin just killed him. After he killed him, I remember when we used to go there, they would put a sound that's called Lavanda del Carro Rojo. Dice that venian de Cali in a car rollo colorado. Traian, 100 kilos of Coca to New York, Chicago. So, so you heard it? No, but that's a great tune.

that they had denunciated and then they end up killing everybody. Every time, and this was a famous song and every time we got to the bars

because this guy was a lady's man. So all the hookers and all these bitches in these bars they would love them. So every time we went into

any of these bars they would put that song for us and that would just inflate our ego and we knew we were killers and we had guns

and I had a 45 I mean nobody had a 45 like that. Only a gorilla high gorilla people or very high military people would have this gun. Right.

But I had it. As a matter of fact, I bought it from a military guy. So you killed a guy with a 45? Yeah, yeah, I'll tell you about that one. So first he killed that guy with his 25. And then we went across the street to another bar and started drinking, waiting for them to come and pick up the body. That's how much you could kill with impunity.

Exactly, exactly. And nobody talked. It was a silence. It was the law of silence. Nobody could say anything. Everybody knew that we had killed him and we were caused the street, but nobody could do nothing.

For people that don't know, places that he's talking about, Parayra, parts of Kali, you know, obviously these tiny little towns that I forget the name of, I would equate them to a place like Kulia Khan, Sinaloa, or in Mexico,

in the Sierra, there's, it's completely gaucho cowboy justice. Exactly. It's, it's, they have different laws and rules than the rest of the country. Exactly.

Something like that at that time. Yeah. So after he killed that little guy over there, then now I had to prove a point, and I had to show him that I'm also a killer. So I remember we were in the other bar, and then I don't know why we moved down, like, two bars more, and then this asshole just came out of nowhere,

and I guess he just wanted to die that day. And he came up to us. He looked at me and spit on the floor. Then he looked at my cousin and spit on the floor. And then he looked at our other friend and spit on the floor. And we're like, Really shit. We were offended.

These guys got to die. So he had already killed that guy over there. So they had hit his gun. Because once you shoot the guy, you give the gun to the barman, and he goes and hide it. Right. For you. So he had already killed that guy. They hit his gun, so he couldn't do anything.

So the only one that could do something was me, my 45. But I had my 45. I wasn't walking around with my 45 here under. That's a big-ass gun. I had it at a nearby where I had it at one of my cousin's house. So his sister's house So I went and got my 45 Came back in a taxi

And went and then I went into the bathroom To put some coke in my You know and just drinking And then I went to the bathroom As soon as I went to the bathroom And lowered it up, the guy came into the bathroom The guy to spit on us So he came into the bathroom

So I just faked that off and continued taking a leak Then he just looked at me and laughed And then he went out, you know, stumbling a little And then he went and sat on the On the table And then the rest was like a movie. He sat up in his chair. So the rest was like a movie.

I was coming out with the gun right here, taking it out. And my cousin was in back of me trying to get the gun from me because he wanted to shoot the guy, you know? It was like, we want to kill this guy so bad that we were fighting over who was going to kill him. But obviously I had my hand of God, so he wasn't going to get it. And then we just, like, struggled ourselves a little to, like, where you're sitting right there, and I just took it out, boom,

hit him with one shot 45. I didn't need right in the chest. I didn't need it. And the bullets were... Hollow points with little hole. So I didn't have to sit there and wait. I just shot him while. I knew he would die with that with that 45.

Oh, man. It's like shooting an elephant. Boom. That's it. I remember the next day they said that the bullet went through him, through the wall, through the chair, through everything. And there's no sense that, like, I just killed a guy in front of a bunch of people in a bar.

I should probably make a run for it. No, no. I made a run to go put the gun away and then I took a taxi, boom, boom, boom. It was like a, like a movie scene, man, because the taxi guy took me, like, to a mountain. Then I gave him his money. Then I came out, I showed him my gun.

I said, don't even say who you left here. Now I'll kill you. And they know, they won't say nothing because they know you'll find them. And then I just remember I went down a hill, and then I went, put my gun away, changed clothes, and then came back and kept drinking. Wow.

And kept drinking. Okay, so, you, and then you'd stay for how long when you were on these trips. Okay, on these trips, they were normally like summer vacation, two, three, three months, I imagine, more or less. So then would you go back to high school

when you got back to Florida? Yeah, exactly. Then I would come back and go to high school. And were you actually going to class? Yeah, I was skipping class. You know, it was one of those days, it was one of those classes where you would just go to class

and then jump the fans. The math teacher was an asshole, Mr. Schroeder. Oh, he's got a real asshole, so I would always leave on his. And then we would just leave with a few friends on the block, and we would go and start breaking into cars. Yeah.

I remember we broke into a car, and we found an ounce of weed. We found a gun at like a 38. Did they know? Did these other gang members and people from the neighborhood know that you caught bodies in Columbia? I don't remember speaking about it too much. Okay. So you were able to kill somebody and then just keep it to yourself.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Keep it to myself because, I mean, why talk about it? Yeah. As a matter of fact, as a young guy, it's like you're ashamed of it. You're like, oh, man, you know. But then when I came to Columbia, I was Superman. Yeah. You know, as a matter of fact, that day, we stole that house and I smoked so much weed, man.

We broke into a haunted house or, you know, an empty house and abandoned house. And I remember we were so high, man, that there was a mattress on the floor and we were jumping from the second floor like Superman. Yeah. That's how screwed we were with a gun. Like it's LSD or something. Yeah, yeah, like LSD, yeah. Okay. Screw it up.

Tell us about the case that eventually got you, you know, repatriate. I got you kicked out of the stakes. Repatriate, okay. So, yeah, so we're already deep in gangs. We are famous for gangs, and our war was with the untouchables. The untouchables was a Jamaican gang. At that time, we hated Jamaicans. We hated Jamaicans and we hated Cubans.

Okay? So what was the deal with the Jamaicans? The Jamaicans, the young gangs, they were always talking crap about the Colombians. because the Colombians were the ones that were bringing the Kogan so Jamaicans were trying to take control and the Jamaicans were in control of the weed so there was always like that rivalry

and in the teenage kind of deal the rivalry was in skating rinks we used to go to skating rinks and a pentza okay I remember it was like a discotheque with a skating rink in the middle you've seen it and then and then pool tables and we would just go in there and chill and sit on the wall

and, you know, smoke weed and be there ready. And if things broke loose, then we would just shoot up the place or they would shoot us. So anyways, we had a big problem with them. So we just wanted to kill those motherfuckers. So what we did is we went to Nepentha that night, and we planned everything. We were going to arrive there in the cars.

I had two guns. I had two guns. I hid them under a McDonald's dumpster. And the idea was that because back in the days when you got in a gang fight, they call the gang units. The gang unit would come. They take out the gang members.

They put one gang on this side, one gang on that side, and then they start taking pictures and classifying you that you're from that gang, and then everybody go home and don't come back, and that's it. That's what they would do. If they'd find something on you, they would take a jail or detention center, whatever.

So the deal was that my brothers would go in there with some of the other gang members, and then they would start a fight. And once they started the fight, then they would come like always, the gang unit, they would line them up outside on the wall, because they lined you up on a wall. And that was it.

So once they had them nice and lined up, then Alex, the killer, would get his two guns from the dumpster, and then I would go to where they had the lineup, and I was just going to start shooting all of them. With the cops right there. Who gives them? I was just going to start shooting my ass up because that's how much we just wanted to kill him.

And when you're young, you're stupid. You don't think about that. And in my case, which I was really crazy, I mean, I was like just, I'm going to go kill these motherfuckers. I don't care who's there. And that was a perfect plan. Right. Now, everything was perfect.

Perfect. Well, it's arguable, but sure. It's arguable. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, you know what I mean? Everything was perfect in that mind, in that state of mind. So we were coming out. So I came out with the two guns.

And as soon as I came out with the two guns, well, you're not going to believe it. Some cop came out of McDonald's. I guess he was eating hash browns or who knows what the hell he was doing McDonald's. and he just came out of McDonald's, man. She was a regular cop. A coincidence. He was a regular cop. He wasn't a gang unit cop. He was just, he just happened to be in there.

So when I come out with the guns, and I'm going to go get them right over there, you know, the cop's right there. And he sees me with the two guns in my hand because I was ready to go blow them up. So he says, hey, stop. And shit, everything got screwed. So I couldn't even run over there and shoot him. Now I had to run and not get busted. So he started getting his gun out and started chasing me. and I started running my ass off

and then at that time the gang unit the helicopter and all that bullshit started chasing me down and then once I was like almost trying to get away I said what the heck it looks like I'm not like they're gonna catch me so I just turn around and started shooting

that motherfucker that came out of McDonald's and yeah with both guns now unfortunately they have you know cops in the stage they have their bulletproof breasts and all this and that so unfortunately he didn't he didn't well I didn't know at that time

you know I thought he had killed him But you caught him clean in the chest. It was really difficult because I was running, so I just had to, like, turn back and pop, pop, pop, pop, pap, and then kept running. And then finally, I ditched the gun somewhere. I didn't sit back and see I had killed him, you know, but I'm sure that I did get them. And then I just started running, and then I ditched the guns. And then after ditching the guns, and they caught me, and then they found the guns.

And then I went to jail. And then over there, they said that the cop had died. And at that time, the famous commercial, kill a cop, get the chair. Remember? Right. I don't remember, but that's... Yeah, at that time it was... Yeah, yeah. At that time, it was kill it, kill a cop. So you thought you might get...

So did that go through your mind? No, no, I didn't really give it damn. I was pissed out because I couldn't get the untouchables. So for me, it was just another going to jail. You know, I wasn't really knowing about that. But the cop started coming and tell him, yeah, the cop died. He died. You're going to go to the electric chair, motherfucker, and this and that.

And he started just telling to me and telling to me. And as far as I was concerned, I had killed the cop. And everybody, everybody was away from me. And, you know, normally try to bully whoever goes in and be an ass with them and this and that. But everybody respected me. Nobody fucked with me that day. They knew I had killed the cop. They were calling me a cop killer.

So there was respect in that holding cell. Nobody was messing with me. And if somebody did mess with me, man, I was just going to snap the hell out of them or whatever I could find, even if I had to do with my fingers. So when did you find out? So then, you know, I went. Then they transferred me to the normal. detention center where you go as a minor and everybody knows that you're a cop killer and they've already seen news and this and that so finally when i went to my first hearing that's when i found out

that i was arrested they charged me with attempted murder on a leo with uh with armed violence something like that with i don't remember what the job but it was arrested it was yeah yeah it was a tentant murder on a leo that's what it was enforcement officer yeah okay what was your sentence No, they hadn't sentenced me. I went to the detention center. Then they did a waiver to treat me as an adult because of the seriousness of the crime. So since the cop didn't die in, then they sentenced me to 65 years in prison. That's what they gave me, 65 years.

Now, those 65 years in prison that allegedly they gave me, they sent me to a youth correctional institution, which is not really youth. They call it a youth recreational institution, but you got people there are 27, 28. And they sent me there. Then after all that, and going through what I did, then I found out that, you know, well, the guy never died. He wasn't going to die

because allegedly they had said that he was going to die and that that's what I got charged for and convicted for. But if this guy dies, you know, it's a whole new story. I mean, I really didn't know what was going.

I was just young and didn't give a damn. Wow. So I went in there and then that's what that was, then I went, then they sent me, that was Brevard Correctional institution.

I remember. Brevard. And then from there, I don't know what happened. And I don't remember how I ended up in Dade Correctional Institution. And in Dade Correctional Institution, they transferred me. I don't know if I stabbed somebody in Bavard or I don't remember what happened exactly, but I ended up in Dade Correctional Institution. As a matter of fact, I was watching that movie with these damn gym trainers that killed some guy and didn't kill him.

You didn't hear about that famous story of the movie that came out with the rock and everything. I usually miss his movies. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay, so just jumping forward a little bit. So you were in there putting in work. It doesn't sound like you thought that the rest of your life was over. No, actually.

Like you gave a shit. No, yeah, like I gave a shit in 65 years. Well, I mean, I didn't know what the hell was going to happen. So once I went to date correction institution, then I started seeing serious name because now I was with drug dealers, killers, and this and that. And I had to prove my point. And even though I was Colombian, whatever, everybody looked at me as a white boy because I had blonde hair, green eyes. So everybody just tried me as a white boy.

And when you're a white boy in prison, everybody wants to screw you, try you. And you've got to prove yourself. You got to do what you got to do. But they didn't know that this white boy really was Colombian and a killer and had killed already and had that blood in them. You know what I'm saying? They didn't know that. So obviously, I had problems here and there. As a matter of fact, when I was in the county jail, some redneck, I'll call him a redneck because he was redneck.

Sure. Yeah. It's Florida. The guy just came up to me and he hated me because I looked, he told me, I remember he told me, you look white, you speak like a white boy, but you're a damn Hispanic, and he punched me in my mouth. You see that little scar I got right there? Yeah. That tiny little scar that was from him. Wow. But we were playing spades.

We were playing spades, and I had a pen. I was keeping score. As soon as the guy punched me, immediately I just took the damn pen as a reaction, I stabbed him right here in the temple. Luckily, he didn't die. If not, I would have gotten more... You fucked him up, though.

Yeah, I really fucked them up. As a matter of fact, a few, before I got sent to the prison, I saw him in a holding cell one day, and he was just over there all, like, he didn't even say anything to me. He was just, like, depressed. He broke him.

And he had a fucking tattoo right here. All that ink that when I stabbed him, I guess that ink just spilled inside his skin, and he had... You could see like the ink right here. Yeah. Yeah, so he learned. Mike Tyson.

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And they're always saying hi to everybody. So I was just the gang member that was a Colombian, but not the drug dealer, Colombian, you know. As a matter of fact, sometimes Colombians didn't like me a little because they didn't like these Colombian-made individuals from the states that weren't gangs. They were like, oh, you should be a killer. You should be a ghetto. Yeah, you shouldn't be in the ghetto and this and that.

You know, they didn't like that crap. So I remember one time. time I was going by and I saw this brother, I'll call him brother, so that we don't offend them. You know, I grew up with black people all the time. You've already said the N word twice. So I brought one of these brothers and he was talking to one of these capos that are dangerous motherfuckers. And he was saying, hello, you ugly motherfucker. How are you doing today, you son of a with a smile? So the Colombian didn't speak English. So he was like, oh, hi, thank you very much.

So that really offended me Because I was gonna let them try a Hispanic like that You know, because they didn't understand the language So I immediately butted in and a fight broke out You know, I went I immediately swung on the black guy Because I had beef for a minute either way So I immediately swung on that guy And hell broke loose there

And then all the other black guys came into fight But then once that happened And the other Colombians thought that it was with them So they took out their little knives and this and that And their shanks And then just things you know, everything got stopped. You know, it's like, oh, okay, yeah, we're going to kill each other,

but then everybody stepped back and something happened. So then the Colombian, after that, like later on that day, they came and they were pissed off at me. That, what the hell am I doing? Why am I messing up their peace there and this and that, this and that? They didn't know. So then I told him. I say, oh, what do you mean?

What am I doing? Did you know what the guy was telling you? He was telling that you're a stupid motherfucker and that your mother's a real bitch and smiling so that you would shake his hand. and he's humiliating you. Oh, they didn't like that. So then after that, hell broke loose, and now there was going to be a war with them.

So during that kind of war, they started putting me under their wings. In other words, they were always calling me to translate, to be on the lookout, what the hell was that motherfucker looking out? In other words, now I was showing them the ropes of the prison.

Because they knew the ropes, because a lot of them had been there for a long time. But they didn't know the ropes in the language kind of. of understanding real. So they really didn't know what the hell was going on, you know? So, so then I started showing in the robes telling them how these guys were taking advantage, how these guys didn't like the white boys, how these white boys didn't like those, how the Islam's over there, you know, you got all these people, the Mexicans, them, Jamaicans.

And so I was like the guy, the interpreter there. So they started getting really fun of me. And when there were some problems here and there, I was always there in action. So they also found respect for me. And they can see, you know, what? When you're a killer and you see some other guy that he's got cold blood, you know, you can feel it. So they started showing respect. And then that's when five years later, these drug dealers found a way to get back to Colombia. Because since they were in the States paying, I don't know how many years they were sentenced to, they were never going to get out or maybe in 30 or 40 years. Who knows?

So then at that, Pablo Escobar, Cartel de Cali and Cartel de Mijian. time they were dominating here in Colombia. Right. The government, they paid the government off, or if now they would just say, either you do what I want or I kill you. Either you take the money or you take the bullet, which do you prefer? So these government officials would take the money. And that's when hell started breaking loose.

So they found a way to repatriate themselves. So what the government from Colombia did was they, according to human rights, or I don't know how exactly they did it, I'm just supposing, assuming making an ass out of you and me than when you assume. So this guy ended up, this guy and these guys ended up through human rights

asking the American government for these drug dealers to be able to serve their prison term in Colombia. Okay? So that way they could be with their families and all that bullshit. So yeah, somehow it was approved. Either through the,

yeah, the state, the state, US attorney, or the state attorney or the U.S. attorney and a judge. Wow. Yeah, who knows how they did it, but they did it. And was it all Colombians or did you mean? No, just Colombians with drug crimes. Okay. Drug traffickers.

So how then did you jump on that ship? Yeah, I was a lucky motherfucker. They started just throwing them over there. You know, they started repatriating these people. And when they got to Colombia, I mean, Colombia would just say, hey, you know, you didn't do anything here. You know, your crime was in the state. So they would let them go. So you'd only done five years?

Yeah, I had only done five years. And I was hoping they would extra-demy, but I knew they weren't going to do it. First of all, because it was only for drug traffickers. Second of all, because it couldn't be a violent crime. And third of all, if you try to kill a cop, you know, forget it. You're not going to get that right. You got to pay. Americans are really stricken that crap.

They want you to pay. So one day out of nowhere, they ran out of drug dealers to, to retry. So they started sending Colombians here and there. And I knew I wasn't going to be sent because of my crime. But one day out of nowhere, they just came and told me, hey, we're going to send you back to your country. Even though I had my green card, even though my mother had already become an American citizen. Okay, you have your green. They said, we're going to send you back to your country.

You're going to sign this paper where you're going to promise not to come back to the states in 25 years. After 25 years, you can come back. It's cool. What year was that? That was around 1996, because I came here in 1996. And you had been back since 1996. Never. Almost 30 years.

Wow. I mean, did you? I haven't even tried to go under the whole. I could have tried. I've had people wanting to send me there. I could, they told me just go to Mexico. You'll walk like a normal American, you know, just get, just get next to them construction workers and just don't think you're just another white boy coming through.

It's ironic. If your mom had got you citizenship, when you were a little kid, you would have been an American citizen. You probably would still be in prison. Yeah. You ever think about that? Yeah, exactly.

Like, you're not Colombian now. You're an American. Exactly. Like, that kind of double nationality helped me. Now, what really saved my ass is that I wasn't a legal citizen yet. I know. That's what I'm saying. It was like in process.

Yeah. Yeah. So my mother would have legalized that. Probably I would have still been over there paying. Yeah, I would have still been in jail. Of course. Okay. So you're obviously like, you must feel untrue.

touchable now. You're like, I just got sprung from a life sentence. When I got here or there? Yeah, when you got sprung from jail there. Yeah, yeah. Well, first of all, they brought down the charges. And that's how you can see how crooked the system can be also. Because in the States, they want to throw you on the system. I mean, once you're a kid and you commit a crime and you're going to the HRS system, you're screwed, man. I went through everything, man. I went through halfway houses, group homes, shelter homes. they told my mom she couldn't,

she didn't have the, I don't know how you would say that, but she couldn't take care of me, so they took me away from my mom, and they threw me in these halfway houses and this, and that's how I met other gang members, and, you know, I met some guy that stole cars, and that's how you start moving up in that world.

But then you can't ever get out of that system. It's difficult to get out of the HRS or all that crap. One of the biggest shames of America. Yeah, yeah. Once you're in the system, you're screwed. But you got here in 1990. 96 and you got to work? Exactly.

They dropped down the charges. Attend them on Arlillo. Then they went to resisting arrest with armed violence. Then it went to resisting arrest with no violence. And then it just went down to resisting arrest. And then from resisting arrest, they waved over or whatever the hell they made me sign. Boom. And you were in Columbia.

I thought I was going to pay time here. I didn't know the Colombians were free here. I told you that because I found that out after I got to Colombia. and the Das just stamped on my password and say, welcome to Colombia. See, not a day in jail. Man, not a day in jail. I didn't have to report to anybody.

You told me, welcome to Colombia, and that's it. Where did you come? Where did you go? I went to Bogota. Okay. Because my brother had already committed a crime and he escaped from the States. You know, he just bought a plane ticket

and came over here on a warrant. So he was already, he found his way to teach English. He was teaching English. He was trying to. start a new way and new life. So he was teaching English. So he told me, hey, why don't you start teaching English as that? So I'm like, fuck that. You know, one day I went to the institute, and he was working in a bilingual secretarial English Institute. And when I went there, man, it was just like 25 or 30 girls in uniforms. So I said, oh, you know, it might work for me.

What the heck. It sounded pretty cool. But then I said, no, so I ended up going back to Cali. I came to Cali. He stayed in Bogota. I came to Cali. And then I got in touch with some of my friends that had been in that prison. And I got in touch with one that was called William Garsohn. And he was with the cartel. He was with the Cali cartel. I don't know what the hell he did

with them. But he was involved in that area. Okay. Describe 1996 in Cali, the Orifuelas had just been arrested. Yeah. They hadn't been extradited yet. They were in Colombian prison. Exactly. Were they still running

the city and exporting when they were in prison? Yeah, everything was still being run by them or by other people, the cartel was there still. Okay, so the old school, the college hotel was still in place when you went to work.

Okay, so did you, how did you link up with them through these contacts? So I linked up with the William Gerson. He told me, he told me, hey, just wait for me to get there, do something in the meantime while I get out.

I don't know why he had gotten extra diet or repatriated. I don't know what his deal was. I never knew that as a matter of fact. He should have. So he told me just to wait and wait that his process hadn't come through, whatever. So then one of my brother's best friends came to Cali in one of the English Institute branches and became the director there.

So my brother told me, hey, hire my brother. So I went over there and got a job as an English teacher. So Harmon Mayer, which was a black Afro-American who freed slavery according to his story years ago and came to Columbia and married a Colombian girl. He's the one that, he was a linguistics doctor, I don't know. He was a doctor in linguistics. So he was known because people that came from the States like me, which were really born here, but we were trapped, we were raised in the States

and meant to be thought in our mind that we were really Americans with the American dream because I went to high school to prom, played American football and all that crap. So I felt very American, you know, and I came here. I didn't know how to speak English very well. I didn't know what the hell the culture was here. Yeah, I had seen some of the from coming on vacation days, but I felt like I missed this days, you know, damn, you know, why did they kick me out of my country? That's what I thought, you know.

So I started working there at the Institute and this guy, you know, he started training me and I started doing things really good. You know, I became an excellent teacher. Then I started moving up there. and then I became a coordinator. And by the time I became a director, because I became a director, that's when I met my wife.

My wife was a student there. So I met my wife there. We got married three months later. And they started sending me to other branches, to Barankega. And I was a bad motherfucker. I was really young. But since I had that mentality, you know,

I controlled people. I learned the bosses, there are those kind of bosses that don't just train you. They train you like, I would say, the American way, when an American is the owner. Come on, what are you fucking stupid?

Come on. You know, like the Italian way. Come on. Get this with motherfucker here and motherfucker there. But I didn't care. They could insult me all day one. I was just, you know, I was just taking all their knowledge. And all that knowledge helped me because I became a director of these English

institution. And they started transmitting to different branches. So I went to one branch and I made that branch grow. And that branch would grow. And then they would tell me to another branch. And I would make them grow. And they were making a lot of. money with me handling these branches. And I was just doing that waiting for the other guy,

but I was smoking my weed here and there, and I still wanted to do, I still had hatred in my heart, but then I was getting used to that neo-life, and I was liking it with my wife and things were going pretty good. And then when things were getting really good, and there was this one director that was a real asshole, and he was always going to the branches to screw the girls. and he came to my branch and wanted to just control the branch and like, you know, in other words,

he wanted to sit in my chair and I didn't give a damn. He could sit wherever he wants, but the problem is that we're in the middle of registering students, you know, it's a real busy, and I need to be in the chair and signing permission

and giving orders here and controlling this and that. And then, you know, he's there and I had to sit like on the side, like a dumbass, and that really fits me out. So one day, I don't know, he treated me like crap.

And I say, you know, fuck you, man, today. Oh, my friend from Kali finally called me, the Colombian from Kali that was in the prison, he finally got out. He told me, hey, I'm here. I need you. So that coincidentally happened with that day. So I told the guy, man, this is the last day you're going to bitch.

If you say one more word, I'm just going to come across that chair. I'm going to get your ass out of you. I'm going to beat the fuck out of you in front of everybody in front of all the girls that you screwed. I'm just going to, man, and that guy just turned pale, you know, because I was pretty big at I was young, big. Okay, so did you take your wife back to Kali? Okay, so, okay, so then, okay, so yeah, so then that guy, after I told him I was going to beat his ass, then I just left, I resigned.

I resigned and, and at that time, things were not going well with my wife because she had gotten pregnant, and when women get pregnant, they sometimes become jealous and they become a pain in the butt sometimes. And she was a champion at that. And I don't know why. My wife is so beautiful. My wife, she was a queen here. And, well, not a national queen like of Colombia, but she was a queen in these little, I don't know how you say that in English, you know, these little queen.

Yeah, pageants. Yeah, these pageants. That's what you call them. Beautiful. My wife is beautiful. My wife looks like Beyonce or one of these women. She's black. She's a little color.

Yeah, no. Yeah, we, you know, in the same you say black, even if you're redbone. Right. But here in Colombia, when you say black, they get offended on. I'm not black. Right. I am mulata.

Okay. Tell me how you got involved with... With Kyle. Okay, so with William Garsohn. So once I did that, then I was having this problem with my wife, so I started dating one of the teachers and screwing her around. And then I left my house, and then we separated, and I abandoned my wife with my daughter. Oh, I hate that shit.

I hate to say that. It hurts. but it happened. And then I met, and then I was with the teacher and then I was going to start over, but then this guy came, so then we decided we were going to take drugs to Ecuador

because he had a contact in Ecuador. He had been to Italy already. He was sending drugs to Italy. So we were going to take some, he knew how they were doing the mule deal there in Ecuador and this and that. So we made some vests, some vests,

and we were going to fill them up with heroin. They wanted heroin because heroin was more money and this and that. So what the heck? Let's take heroin. So I didn't have too much experience about that or cared. So we did some vests that, that, I remember those vests had like, I don't remember how many kilos. There were like 14 kilos or almost like 14 or 22 kilos. I don't remember 14, 14 or something kilos.

It was a gang of heroin. Yeah, it was a gang of heroin. And, and, and. You guys took it on the plane? No, no, we had, we grew. Oh, we went on the border. We went to the border. We went to Tulkan.

There, we were going to cross the border with that crap. And then from there, everything was organized, allegedly. We didn't know too much about that shit. So we were really relying on him and trusting him. And can you believe it? The taxi driver or something that was... I don't know what happened, but somebody snitched. A taxi driver snitched on us.

And this taxi driver, which I have this tattoo here to say is Moira and Sapo. After they shot and killed that guy, I made my tattoo. Mue Ran Sapo. That's why you got the damn gun pointing at you there and he says moan-sapples. So this guy, they snitched us out and they busted us in Tulkan. We got caught, went to prison, in Tulkan.

Oh, man, that was the worst day of my life, man. And then, so, okay, so then I was in prison in Tulkan, then I was going to stay there. So I started organizing how the hell I was going to get out of there. I started controlling a little there with the Colombians, receiving all the, there were many Colombians there, many mules because in that time there was a lot of mules. As a matter of fact, in the keto prison, which was the maximum security,

the mules would go into the prison and they would load them up in prison and then they would go to the airport and fly up. In other words, the drug dealers were... The kickpins had the weight. They had quantity kilos in prison. That was the distribution point. Yeah, exactly. Right in the prison, like if it was a damn, you know.

So Colombians would be. And it was drug dealers from everywhere. Because in that prison, you had people from Africa, you had people from Europe, you had people from all over the world that had been busted for drugs. And now they were, as a matter of fact, some mules that were, mules, they became like drug dealers. Yeah. Because the big time drug dealers were also in that prison. So now they had direct contact with the Colombians to get the cocaine in there. And they would pay everybody up.

And that was just a whole crooked deal there. So I was in Tulkan. So I tried to escape a few times. The first time that I was going to escape, I met these paramilitaries that were allegedly they were bad motherfuckers, but they all shitted in their pants because the first time we were going to escape

after I got one of the guards and disarmed him and had him on the ground. And I told this paramilitary guy to tie his shoes, you're not going to believe it. This paramilitary guy that had killed people already and this and that he got so nervous that he just knelt down and started

tying his shoelace. His name was Eloy Martinez. I was never able to kill that guy. So this guy let this guy just and so they busted me. They got me. They got me because I had a gun and I could have shot my way up and they were, I mean the police

were already outside. So what is your sentence now for this? The attempt to escape. No, actually in that time they didn't screw you over. Okay, okay. So I got caught with the heroin And at that time, they had a dos per one. So they sent me to 14 years of prison. But since they had the dos per one, I would only pay seven years.

Right. And seven years. And the Pope came, I don't know what year he came, and when the Pope comes to prison over there, they give you another year on the house. Wow. So I ended up with six years.

And I don't remember how they brought that down to five years, because that's how I ever did over there was five years. But then after I tried to escape several times, then they said, no, these guy's too dangerous. We've got to get them out of here. So they shipped me over to maximum. security over there. That's where I receive Oscar. Right. Our friend. Yeah, our friend, Oscar. And this was in Quito. No, no, that was in Tulkan.

Oh, no, but they shipped you in Quito. Okay. They ship me to Tito, to maximum security. Okay. And do the rest of your stretch there? Yeah, I started doing the rest of my stretch, but I thought, you know, over there was crazy, man. You had these Combe Mueros and you had these killers. People were getting chopped up left and right, killed everywhere. And then I started doing drugs because I was doing heroin. So, you know, I got crazy with hair, and then I started doing, over there you don't call it basuko, you call it Polvo. Because over there, over there is Polvo.

Yeah, dust. And it's like, you know, Bassoco is like the garbage, like here in Columbia, as you have seen it. But Polvo is like fine, fine basucco. In other words, Polvo is like really base. It's like base, grinded down, like really grinded powder. It's like, like, like baby powder kind of. And they saw me these little,

tiny things. And with that little thing you put in your head, man, shit, you're gone. And, and, and so I started becoming an addict. Yeah. So I started becoming an addict. I thought I was never going to leave the prison. And my wife came to visit me several times, the other, I left the other girl and decided my wife started coming back, trying to get back with me again. Were you putting in work? Did you have to kill people? Or did you have to defend yourself? Yeah. Well, not yeah. Not yeah. Once I started using drugs like crazy and became an addict, I was using heroin because over there you would smoke this, let's say, let's call it crack. You would smoke the crack and once you were all paranoid and everything, you would go down with heroin.

And then once the heroin started going to it, then you would go back and you were going on up. But I would never sleep. And then, of course, then I started doing jobs, stabbing people. Sometimes they would just get people for you to, in other words, some guy would kill some guy. And then they, especially in the Welgas, in the riots, they would kill some guy. and then you had to, they would chop this guy up, and then they would give you a piece of his body, and you had to get rid of that piece of your body,

and your prize was a little box full of this polvo crap. And heroin. To get rid of a hand. Yeah, to get rid of a hand. How would you get rid of somebody's hand? Either you get a hammer or a rock, and you start beating the hell out of it until it just turns into nothing

and start putting it in water and getting rid of it. I mean, it's your hand. You're stretching your pole with it. It's your hand. You got to do whatever to help. What other body part did you get? No, I just got, actually, I only did that twice. One time I got an arm and another time I got a hand.

So you had to grind down a human arm? Yeah, a human arm. I did that with a, the reason I said the rock is because that's all I had was a rock. I wasn't going to spend my polo because my polvo. I could get some of that, sell it, and then I could buy maybe something sharp or whatever. You could do it. To grind it. But how do you do it?

You take, how do you grind a human arm down with a rock? I mean, that seems like it would take. You just start smashing the heck out of it. I mean, just imagine if some, well, have you ever seen when somebody gets ran over a car? How, what that happened? No. You just start smashing the hell out of it. As a matter of fact, you know, I just got the memories of this guy that I got rid of

because I smashed the hell out of his head because he was going to kill me here in Namundee. Yeah. I'll tell you about that afterwards. But that guy I smashed with a brick like, I, I, oh, man. I smashed them like 20 bricks and I was so paranoid that I thought he was going to come back alive and so I smashed him more

right. Okay, so... The arm, you just start smashing the hell out of it. You start smashing and smashing and smashing and everything's going everywhere. Of course you wrap it up in something, right? Yeah, yeah. If not you'll just... So you've essentially become, as we found out, not a Comé Muerto, because Comemuartos are like lifers down there that just kill people

for any amount of money, but almost like a Come and Muerto. Yeah, comemortos, either they kill somebody. But honestly, there's a lot of Comei Mueros that are not really Come Mvuartos. I'm sorry, they are Come Murtos. They're just not killers. Maybe there's a guy that was sentenced because he killed his wife or with a machete. But he's not a real hitman.

He's not a killer, but he's there for that. And then he goes in and he starts doing drugs and they rape him or whatever, and then he just becomes a drug addict. But since he's got a 25-year sentence and he's never going to get out of there, If he kills another guy, he gets the same 25-year sentence concurrent. That's right. So you can just keep killing people. I can kill 10, and I'll pay the same 25 years.

That's why they're called Come Mueros. Because if I kill you, if I kill that guy over there, then I'll just give you the knife and you'll say, I did it. Right. And that's it. You ate a dead man. That's why it's called Come Muerto. Okay?

And then you pay the prison term. So that's why anybody could just kill anybody. So, of course, the killers, they would be killing left and right, and these Commer Mertos would be taking the blame for drugs. Yeah, that kind of brutality, I mean, that's probably why part of the reason that prison got shut down. Exactly. Now, what happened in my case after being a drug addict and smoking so much, I would hustle

myself. They would send me money from the States. I would, you know, I became an asshole. And I started telling my family lies that they were going to kill me, getting money here. Because when you earn that crap, man, I mean, especially when you don't have heroin, man, and you feel like you're going to die, man. And if you don't get that heroin, you're nothing. You can't even get up from your bed.

Oh, shit, man. I remember that. And thank God I never used drugs anymore, you know? Thank God I survive because not Mary heroin addicts can tell you the story. So thank God I can tell you the story. So like when you see heroin addicts today, like those people down in that zone that we went to in downtown collie, you know, these barely human beings shooting up, like, does that do something to you? No, not anymore. Thank God that I can say right now that it doesn't do anything to me.

Now, if I stay around and start talking and sleep over and I start smelling that crap, sooner or later is just that beast is going to wake up. And then we have a problem. You don't want that beast to come. I got to keep that beast sleeping. But it's more the thought of making my daughter suffer because my daughter has seen me in the streets. My daughter has walked by and seen me garbage picking,

taking garbage out of the eaten food out of the goddamn garbage. The lowest. The lowest because that, you see, that's what to draw all this kind of life that you live as a drug dealer and as a drug trafficker and as a hitman and all that crap. The way I look at it religiously, what the devil has implanned for you is for at the end of the day, for you to become the scum of the earth. And religiously, the way I'm, believe that's when God just takes you from the scum of the earth and restores you.

Yeah. Okay, that's the only explanation I have. Yeah. No, I mean, but these people, this country is run rampant with drug addicts. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's shocking. Yeah. It's, it really turns on its head that the notion that Americans are the ones that buy drugs and you're the ones who export them to us.

Not so. Yeah. No, here it's a problem. It's a problem. In Mexico, too. It's a problem. all over the world, really. Okay, so you do five years.

Yeah, so I was doing five years. So we were in the part where, yeah, I was doing five years. Okay, you were telling me that if I had killed people over there or what had happened. So yeah, so one day after I became a big drug addict and I didn't give a damn anymore

and I just thought I was going to die over there, then I was hustling people and people were sending me money and as a matter of fact, I was working with some of the Colombians drug dealers there. They had little restaurants in the prison, and I was working with them there and making my money. I had bought my sale because there you can buy yourself.

I had my own sale and this and that. But then I moved in with some jerk that started smoking that bassoco crap, that polvito. He was always smoking it in cigarettes. So I started smoking it again. But it was just, you know, like I had money. I would smoke just on the weekends. Then I started getting more into it, then the heroin and all that crap. So then one time, they didn't send a payment on time.

And these damn Equatorians, they have their little prison gangers, gang members over there. So one of these little cliques that you would call them, they beat the heck out of me. They hit me with a brick on the back of my head and almost beat the hell out of me that they all, man. So after that, they sent me to an area where you can say it's like protective, it's not protective custody like in the stage where it is protective custody. like in the stage where it is protective custody. But they just sent me like in a holding cell with a gate where they couldn't get to me. So I remember I got my money finally.

So the idea was to go out and pay them and pay the guards out because the guards, they receive money like they're very corrupted. They bring you the drugs. Obviously. They bring you the drugs. So the guy came over across the street and he said, hey, remember you got to pay,

you got to pay. And I bought two machetes. I bought two big, about this big, like machetes. From who? You buy them in prison. They got dealers. They got huge nice.

Yeah, they got people to make them. No, you got the kachimotchos. The kachimotos are these equatorian people that go outside and they buy things for you. And since you got a restaurant, you have permission to have some of this crap. So as long as you paid them out for the good, they'll bring them in for you.

Or you just fooling. They're really stupid. These ecotorians, kiachi-mokos, they're a little dumb, unfortunately. And you can just trick them and how to bring things. That's how drug. were smuggled in because they would go buy drugs.

They would go buy bananas in a little stand where you would send them to buy it, but what they didn't know is that it was a Colombian that was stuffing coke in those bananas. You know what I'm saying? And they would really, and they would be innocently doing that. And they would pay the guards off,

so they would just let everything coming. So I bought two little machetes. And they came over to that area to tell me that, hey, what about the money you owe us? That's why we beat your ass and this and that. And I said, oh, yeah, Fuck you. The money you got are these.

And I can use two machetes very good. You know, I can just grow like that like a fucking samurai. So I just did, yeah, here's your money, motherfuckers. And they swore that they were going to kill me. And I swore that I was going to kill them. I didn't give a damn. Because I thought I was going to die there. I was a drug addict.

So the next five years, those were the most difficult five years of my life in that prison. Because these five years was constantly, they were always trying to kill me. And I was going from pavilion to pervillain. civilian trying to survive. And they got me a few times. One time they had me in a holding cell. As a matter of fact, one of Oscar's friend that he used to give him the drummer, they had me in there.

Well, the first time, they threw me from a third floor. They threw me from a third floor. I don't know how I landed like a cat, but I survived. They threw me from a third floor. So when they did that one to me, then I went on the third floor. And from the third floor, you could see the guys shooting pool. And I got one of the guys that were shooting pool. and I was able to take a, it was like a bench.

It was like a bench and I was able to throw it from that third floor and I calculated him and boom, broke that guy's neck. He didn't die, luckily for him, but he did get screwed up. I mean, he was like this for some time. So then they really wanted to kill me. Then another time, they stabbed me over here. They put me in a holding cell. And then once I was in his holding cell,

I looked out the window and I saw them because you could see from the door the bottom tier where you could see the people coming in and I see these guys just coming in with knives. Like nothing, machetes.

I saw like some of them coming in and I knew they were coming from me they were coming to kill me that day. That's why they had me in the holding cell and that's why they had me in one guy's cell. But what they would do is they would go and take you there and then they would take you to another cell

of a comemuerto and they would chop you up in that cell and kill you and get rid of you or whatever. And then everybody goes home happily. So when I saw them coming, when I saw that they were coming, I knew something was going to happen. And I remember I had like a big old needle. There was a big old needle in that cell. And as soon as the guy came and opened the door smiling, he's like the capo. The capo, in other words, the owner of that cell, that really is not paying 25 years.

He'll be leaving like in three or four years. So he can't afford problems because they'll be. keep his ass there and he's not going to stay there. So he hires these guys to come and kill me or they're part of his gang. So as soon as they came in, I just said, I'm not going to let these motherfuckers kill me. I'm going to kill myself. So I stab myself with that big needle in my heart right here. You can actually see, I have that little scar. You see that scar white scar right there? Right there. I see it. I just blim. And when I stabbed myself and took out the needle, blood just went like this. And when

the blood came down on that floor, that guy turned pale. He said, no, no, no, no, yeah no. And everybody left. They saw it in my state bubutaca. They told me to get out of here. No, because if, if, if I die in that cell, there's blood on the floor. And the Cetei comes in these people, and they come in with that damn spray that they know that they killed somebody there. You know, like, they had killed a guy in three cells down, one of these comemuerto cells.

They killed this guy and they chopped them up in so much. many pieces and just kill them in that cell that when they came in with that spray do you know what spray i'm talking about no i don't know it's some type of spray that when you these people use it these people to investigate crimes i don't know what you call it breaks up the blood it what no no it may turns it like fluorescent in all the way voluminol whatever yeah that's it that's it as a matter of fact it's like that color over there and in other words if there was blood there and they clearly it, that will show it. Right.

When they spray that. So with the blood that was on the floor, this guy was going to get busted for this. So it wasn't convenient for him. They couldn't kill you in the cell because you were already bleeding all over the place. They couldn't kill me in that moment. I mean, I didn't think about that.

I just didn't want to give them the pleasure of chopping me up. And I said, oh, man, imagine me here getting chopped up. Forget it. So that saved my ass. How did you survive? I don't know, but that saved my ass, and immediately they made me get the hell out of there, and they sent me to another cell of a Colombian where I think I was assigned to that cell. And I went there, and then, and I was like, I felt like I was dying.

I don't know what the hell was going on. So I remember they sent me to the, they sent me to the doctor, to the prison doctor, whatever. And he found out what happened. I don't know what they did, but they gave me some medication and some, some, crap and they told me that when I stabbed myself I created like I I don't remember very old but I think I created like a space you know like an air or something like that an air pocket an air pocket and when that starts going when your blood starts circling the air pocket starts getting bigger and bigger and then once it gets to your heart you're gone you know I don't know what they gave me they gave me

sometimes I remember I asked somebody it was some type of pill that I don't know if it delude I mean I'm not a medical, so I don't know what you think I'm lying, but I survived. So there's just constant, it's constant war trying to get you killed for five years. And I'm trying to survive and at the same time trying to get high. Survive, get high. Survive, get high. Survive, get high. Not die from lack of heroin, not die. So then, you know, just, hell started breaking loose over there. I started. So when you got out, you got out in 2001? Yeah, I got out in 2001. The last, I got really I got out really lucky because before in 2001, when I was getting out, some guy came and, and, and, and try to kill me.

And then I ended up killing this. Well, I didn't kill him. I ended up trying to kill him back. I stabbed him in the heart one time. Then this guy just like ramble got up again. I stabbed him again. Nothing. And then he came at me with a machete.

Then I was able to put him on the floor and I was able to lift up his hand. Then I stabbed him on this side. I mean, I got his heart here and he didn't die. So I said, okay, then I'll get him here. And I got him through the side and he still didn't die. This guy survived. So I had this like charge pending there. And then because of the mercy of God, this guy turned Christian.

This guy said that, you know, I was a big, important part of his life because he survived and the Lord saved him. So he changed. He baptized himself. And he didn't press charges on him. He forgave me. Wow. He forgave me. So they never, I never got that charge.

And then I got out in 2001. Wow. You dodged another bullet. And then now you got deported back to Columbia. Yeah. So I got deported back to Columbia. And when I got to Columbia, you're not going to believe it. But I'm so damn lucky that, you know, everybody that gets to the border, they have paperwork,

and they turn into the Colombian government. And they put the paper and they signal that you're screwed and you got, and they know you were in prison and this and that. And when I got there, they couldn't find my paperwork. Something happened with my paperwork. And these Equatorians, they were lazy motherfuckers. They weren't going to go way back to Keito to come back with me and this and that. Or maybe they were even getting trouble. So they just let me through.

They just let me through. It's a clean slate. Yeah, I was in the holding cell with all the other people. But the other day, they let us go. Were you a junkie when you got out or did you get clean in prison? No, no, no. I was still kind of a, yeah, I was clean and junk. Yeah, I was still doing drugs because when I came out, I remember I went to Medellin.

I did some heroin there because of that time, it was easy to get heroin easily in Medellin. Okay, tell us about the next 10 years, yeah. The next 10 years. So, yeah, so now I started using drugs. Then I started getting clean. Then I started going to Bonaventura. Then I started working for a couple for Bonaventura that I told you about before alias Olindijo

in case nobody believes that they can look them up. I don't give a damn. Alias Olindijo. That's what they call him. Alias Gaffas. He was a big guy in Bonaventura. An arco.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. A big guy. Big narco. So he... How did you meet him? I met him because I started living in an apartment building across the street from the bus terminal.

And he was living in two penthouses and a building across the terminal because I guess since they did business and money and all this crap, they needed to be nearby the bus termin. Right, right. Because they did their deals there. Right. Or they got their money there.

Or I don't know what the heck they did. So I was still using drugs, yeah. And then I don't know, but one day he met me. I don't remember how exactly was the moment that we met. But what I do remember is that I was going to teach his daughter some English classes or something. And then he found out that I was a whiz at computer. and I was really good at computers and this and that and technology. So one day he told me that he needed to be a favor,

but that it was really low and this and that. So he wanted me to find out if some people had been busted. And I don't remember it was in the Bahamas. I don't know. It was in some island. It was a speedboat, a speedboat with drugs that got busted. And allegedly it came back to him that the shipment got caught. But they had.

have to prove it because sometimes these speedboat drivers, they line. They say they got busted, but they actually steal the merchandise and get paid. So everything has to be proved for the organization that they are in for their cartel. So that was my job. So yes, I found out. They got busted. They were in the Florida State Prison. And you can find all that crap in life. Right, right. So then he started calling me for more of that. Then he one time he told me to go with with a friend to pick up some money from Winaventura. We had to go drive over there and get some money and then come back. Where were you living at this time?

In that building. But by the bus station, is it in Winaventura? No, no, no, in Cali. Okay, you didn't specify that. Okay, so he's a boss from Blenaventura. Yeah, yeah. He lives in Cali. Yeah, exactly, but he lives in Cali.

And who was the organization in the early 2000s? What was the strongest organization in Cali? Was it still the Collie cartel? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, the Cali Cartel was, but it wasn't like the Cali cartel. It was like the people that were left over from the collie cartel. The guys that were not the big bosses at that time that now could do something because the big bosses were in prison. So they started handling it, but on the low tip.

Right. On the low tip. So I didn't know too much about this guy, but then he found out my life and the things that I had done and this and that. So he kind of liked that. So then he started telling me to do personal favors for him. You know, like I was in charge of going and it was really stupid, you know, maybe he was screwing some. You know, these capos, they have all type of women. Yeah.

So maybe he's screwing these women and he bought her an apartment and a car and everything. But these bitch is taking some guy in there and screwing him and he found out. And they get, and these guys are jealous. Right. They want these women just for him. They don't want them screwing with anybody. They'll put you in there in a Barbie box and they don't give a damn. Wow.

But they don't want you screwing out with other people. Right. First of all, because they might get sick or they're just jealous, man. They're like really jealous about that. It's amazing. Yeah. And so, so then my job was at first to go and do evil to those guys or to those girls or whatever. Then at that time, then it was also my job to maybe go and eliminate one of them because he just went over and stayed at the lady's house.

But at the beginning, it was just doing evil. I would have to go. He said, okay, I want you to go over there with some guys. and I want you to make her thing that they're robbing her, I want you to take everything. You're going to get paid and you can take everything that you steal.

And that's what I would have to do. So I would have to sit there and put surveillance on this lady and as soon as I saw that she was with her lover, whatever, then I would go in and do my deal. It was just a very simple procedure. These bitches fell always with the same story.

I would just go with a, I would buy a big old fly, arrangement. Yeah. You know? And I would put glasses on and I would just go and I would put the gun

right here in the bottom of the flower arrangements. And I would just come like, I have a flower arrangement for Ms. Maria. And once they see the flowers, man, even if they're with a lover,

they would show that they are receiving flower arrangements from the big boss or whatever. And then once they opened that door, then that's it, man. They got screwed. I would be in there. I would get the guy,

beat them, you know, pistol whip him a little, tie him up, then the guys would come in, they would take everything, and they would leave her with nothing. Wow. And then that's it.

And then a few months later, she would have everything back because he forgave her. He forgave her, so now they got everything back. And then round two would happen. Then something else would have to, now, you know,

you can't do the flower deal now, so I need you to do that. And then at the end of the day, then just kill that motherfucker because he hasn't learned his lesson. Wow. So that would happen like that also. Wow. And they say at that time that they would throw the bodies into the Rio Cacao.

Caca, yeah, the Rio Cauca. Yeah, because that's a big river. I mean, just bodies roll down that river from everywhere. Did you ever have to do that stuff? Yeah, of course. We had to throw some people in there. Do you put the, they say they put the chicken wire around? Yeah, there's a lot of ways to do it.

My job was just to throw them in there. There's another guy that would fix them up. Yeah, they did some type of chicken wire deal. They also used to put them down there with cement blocks. As a matter of fact, people used to say that if somebody would go scuba diving, they would probably find, like, you know, a whole bunch of statues just there of people floating like this with cement blocks. And, I mean, there was all types of way to do it. This guy, this guy was more macabellic because he was from Winaventura.

So he had an area, he had wooden companies. This guy had wooden companies. So they had these wooden machines where you just, you know, have you seen those woodchippers? Yeah, is that what you call them? Woodchippers, yeah. They would just woodchip the people, the hell out of people. Holy shit. They would throw that guy in there and would chip them and that's it. They say people from Winaventura are some of the most violent.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. As a matter of fact, I remember this guy had a wood chipper next to some river kind of deal. I don't know, but they would just chip them running the water. Wow. Boom. Oh, shit. So, and how does this work? progress. Okay, so how everything starts progressing because he started trusting me so much and I started

doing this, but then I started using more drugs and then I did little side jobs here and there. And then just that beast started coming out of me. So then I would do a job and then I would go and hide out in Las Sojas. You know, I would go there, my motorcycle, my gun, and then I would just start smoking and trying to forget whatever the hell I did. And then once, and I had to hide out because You did the job and then you hid out. So after you hide out, then you come back, you do another job. And it was just a damn boring-ass cycle. So my job was to get people also to do it.

That's where I met Gustavo because I went over there and I would have to get young guys because sometimes you had to get young guys that would just drive with a bicycle like nothing and boom and then go and shoot some guy. And so I started escalating in that. He started trusting me in that, but he didn't trust me enough because I was using drugs. So he wouldn't take me to the labs or or and sometimes he would give me coke. I would say, he would give me, he would give me coke and I would go to these Ojas and I would be like the kingpin over there. Right, right, right.

And I started doing all that and then and then it came, okay, then we'll go to the Honduras part. So yeah, after we're doing all so much of that crap. How long did you work for this guy for? Well, imagine, imagine until many. years. I remember my daughter was like, she used to play with their littered out, but like, like maybe like 10 years, maybe. I don't know. Wow. Yeah. I worked, I worked a long time with it because I was also lost in the streets. And then he were also, I mean, this guy, this guy, I could say that he was like a father to me. And it's ironic to say he was like a father to me

because he wasn't having me do it. But this guy, I don't know if he loved me so much, like, because my daughter had played with his daughters, and he knew my family, and he even met my mother. I mean, it was already so close. There was a bond there. I would go and live. I would go and sleep in, like, these kind of houses here.

I would go and sleep there. Oh, and then he was, he was, he was, you know, when they had so much money, then he said, oh, I'm just going to start, you know, getting some discotheks. So my job was to start downloading music like crazy for the discothex. So I would go with him and travel. but I would always be with him.

Yeah. And his, I need you to say, Guriari, but I was always right there with him, you know? Even though, but it was like a, he loved you because you were a junkie. Like, most bosses wouldn't want to be around. Yeah, yeah, I don't know,

but he had something special with me. He really, and I guess my charisma, my way of being and the way I did things with love, even, it's stupid to say that, you know, people would be like, what I mean with love, come on.

Yeah. What I mean, maybe, maybe what I meant to say I would do things with my heart, you know, but I would make sure that I would do this latte with love. Yeah, even if I got to kill this motherfucker, I would do it with love. I would let him know, hey, you know,

I'm killing you with love. That's a crazy thing. Yeah, it's crazy. And so these, how did it, what happened to this guy? Okay, so then I started doing all this crap and this and that. But then I was too much of a junkie. So he would pay one of my girlfriends and this girlfriend that I had. You're not going to believe it, but she was an attorney.

She was like a fiscal. She was an attorney in the government, in the palace, in the justice of palace. And she loved me as a junkie. And she, because she had, in other words, when I was the director at the English Institute, she was a secretary there, a young girl, and she was in love with me, and she liked me. And then I, we met years afterwards. And she lived in that same building. As a matter of fact, I used to run her aunt's house, I used to run a room there.

in the first floor and then the copo was in the penthouses. So I was there and he would have this lady. He would pay a hotel and doctors and they would put me in with, you know, how do you call that, fluids? They would put IVs, fluids and all that crapping to me to try to get me clean and okay or at least to survive. And then I would go back and into drugs and I was here going here and there, here and there. But I was doing jobs.

Whatever he asked me to do, I would do. And I would do it really good. He really just trusted me for that. And he used to love, every time we went somewhere, he would come on, do the machete deal because I'm really good with these machetes. I can just get these damn machetes and do like samurai. And he would love, he would make me do that in front of the other couples.

He said, look at this guy. You got to see this guy with the machetes. And that was like his little public figure. Right. And I never thought that he would kill me. I really thought that there was that bond. So then I started living in the Ojas, because I was really strong.

screwed up and my mind was really screwed up. And sometimes he would just send me money and pay for my rooms there. And sometimes he would call me to go do some type of job, or organize something for it. But then I would go back to the old job. And I was like his junkie, hitman killer that he really trusted, even though what I was, he trusted me. But he would never take me to the laboratories or wherever they were making the shitmen or none of that crap. Yeah, I guess he didn't even trust his mom on that. Right, right, right. So yeah, and if he was from Kali, he would have never treated you.

He's, well, whenever it's sort of ghetto as fuck. So, like, that's probably why he had to, he didn't hold your addiction against you. Yeah, possibly not. But, but, because he had beef for other people. As a matter of fact, his own brother, which is also a hitman, I'm sorry, he's not a hitman. He's a drug dealer. He's a drug dealer. He, I think he used to be him, but he was a drug dealer in his level.

But his brother. Yeah, he's brother. Oh, no, and a cousin of his. A cousin of his that was really close to him also. This guy was stealing money from my... That's why he loved me so much also because this guy was stealing money from the couple. He was underscruing him, and I busted him.

And I got him in front of him, and I got to say, hey, this motherfucker's stealing money from him. Oh, come on, you got to respect me and this and that. And even he told me that I had to respect his cousin. Wow. And I punched this guy in the stomach, And I said, I turned into a beast that day, I remember. And I ripped these guys damn jeans down.

And when I came down, the money will come. He had money. And he got busted, man. And now everybody wanted to kill me because of that. Even his family. But then everything turned into love again. And I don't know, it was just like a hell of a soap opera. It's so bizarre.

Yeah, yeah, it's so bizarre. But then he got more respect for me. because if I was willing to do what I did for this cousin that could have just killed me, I mean, while I'm in one of these Ojas, this guy will go and get me killed. But then if the couple probably told him something, like if something happens to this guy, you're screwed.

Does this kind of culture, this is like 15 years ago, does this kind of culture exist today and Kali, like bosses that are very on the low, but that send people to kill all the time and hit men. Are there hit men like you were today in some Oja, you know, smoking basucco and thinking about the person that they just killed? Like, does that? Yeah, yeah.

That still exists. I mean. Yeah, I'm sure it does happen. But right now with everything that has happened, I think these couples are more like underground. They're hidden. They're hidden. They don't go through all this crap anymore.

Right. It's not necessary. Are they less, it's violent? Yeah, yeah, they're less violent. They let, like, the guerrilla and the groups take care of all that crap. Right. So do you think after the, you think 2016 when they signed, the guerrillas signed the peace treaty with the Columbia government,

do you think that's when they became like the military side of the cartel? Exactly. And now the capos don't have to get their hands dirty at all. Exactly. They're just focused on their drug shipments. Exactly. They just do the deals and put the money. and control here and there.

But even then, the majority of these guerrilla groups already are like capos. They're doing their own deals. All these groups are doing their own deals. This clan del golf, all these different types of organizations, they're doing their own deals. Yeah. You know, and they're just having alliance with other people.

Why are drug dealers even necessary anymore? Maybe because of the, maybe because of the, of the genes, the genetic, maybe because it's something to do they are not necessary anymore. Like, as a matter of fact. The drug dealers are the guerrillas. So why do the guerrillas need to sell the drug dealers? I mean, I guess because everybody's got routes and clients and why not. Exactly. That's why. That's why. But to be honest with you, I don't think there are that many drug dealers anymore. I think there are drug dealers like crazy, but they're already in groups. They belong to groups.

They belong to the, yeah, they belong to groups. Orillas or maybe Apadas or militaries? Yes, yes, yes. Got it. So they were already part of these armed. Yeah. They're armed people. They're not kingpins.

They're just part of the group. And it's not like before they said, oh, Pachorera. Yeah. Yeah. You know, Pachrera. Yeah, the Orejuela, the Pablo Escobar. Kingpins. Yeah, yeah.

There really are no more Colombian kingpins. Pirulito and all this. Most shit like they say in the soap are. Right. Yeah, there really aren't no more kingpins in Colombia. In Mexico, there's still a few. Yeah, and there might be, but they're really, I mean, nobody knows who they are. Right. Right. Even if they're not important people. Right. In the military, important people, in the government, who knows? They busted a few here and there. Yeah. They busted a few here and there. Yeah. But they don't command these, like, huge army of killers as much anymore. I don't know. I could be wrong, but it seems like the killers.

No, no, yeah, it's not like that anymore. It's like everything is done in a different level now. Yeah. It's not like before where you had a drug dealer driving through Cali with three land cruisers and back of them with machine guns and use and that. They controlled here and there. Yeah. It's not like that anymore because the Majors have been killed, busted, jail. Now it's either invisible guys or whole armies.

Exactly. There's no middle. Exactly. Same in Mexico. Exactly. It's invisible guys working with whole armies. Working with whole literal, literal armies. And there are these big armies that are handling that crap.

Yeah. Okay, so you worked for this guy for a hell of a long time. Can't believe you're not already dead from all the drugs you've done. Yeah, yeah, exactly. People that you've put in the ground. What happened? How did you finally split with this guy from? Okay, so we started doing a deal and then he needed, he was doing some deal with

Damaras in Honduras. First he was going to meet some guy from Romania. He was going to do some deal, and he was going to do some shipments with this guy from Romania. I remember Romania because I was in prison in Ecuador, Romanian. And we said, hey, what are you, a vampire, Transvania, and all that crap. Gypsy. Yeah.

So he was going to, this big important politician, this guy was involved with politics. I don't know who the hell does he. But he was important. As a matter of fact, I met him in Panama. So he was going to do some deal with that guy and also another deal with some people in Central America. So he told me he needed me to go to Panama with him to translate for the Romanian guy. That's what initially he told me that he wanted me to do. So yeah, I told him I would do that, this and that.

As a matter of fact, I don't remember what happened. I don't remember why I had to sell my motorcycle. I had to sell my Dete, which was a badass motorcycle, hitman motorcycle. Like you guys will probably showing the pictures. And I don't remember why I sold that motorcycle to get some of my paperwork so that I could travel, I think. And then we ended up in Panama. And then once we were in Panama,

we met these guys from Honduras, from the Maras. Maras Al-Berica, MS-13. Yeah, they sent some representatives to speak for NECA. It's not like they come with tattoos and all that crap. And no. And Marasabatrishas are not like the ones in El Salvador that are all tattooed. The one in Honduras,

are less tattooed. I don't know if you knew that. Yeah, they got also ones that are tattooed in that, but the ones in El Salvador are the ones that are really tattooed in their face and all that crap. But the ones in Honduras are like a little more discreet. So they sent some representatives, and then I ended up finding out that he was going to do a drug deal with them. And then he said that he needed some guy to go to Honduras and be there.

In the meantime, that they made this deal, and he convinced me, this and that. So I remember he gave me a lot of money that day. And yeah, I don't know, but I bought a bunch of crap in Panama because everything's cheap over there for my girlfriend at that time because I wasn't with my wife. And then the next thing I knew is I ended up in Honduras. And I was the guarantee man over there.

I was the guy. Explain what that is. Because how does that work? It's very simple. The couple goes and meets another couple. in Panama, which is a neutral area, and they make the deal over there. And then once they make the deal over there, then these people from Central America, they sent dollars to the capo from Colombia.

And that money that is sent given to him, however they send it or give it to him, whatever, that money is to pay for the merchandise that is going to be made. It's not like they're paying for a thousand kilos that is already made. No, they're paying for a thousand kilos that is going to be made. Wow. Is that how that works? Yeah, that's how that works. That's how, I mean, yeah, they do also buy merchandise from people that they have in stocks, but normally they order it.

Yeah, it's like I want to get 100 T-shirts done, you know? Yeah, it's like having a house built. Here's the money. Exactly. Do you put, is it the full payment or do they just put a down payment? No, no, normally it's like, yeah, normally they have their percentages. I don't know how that works, but what I do know is that it was like $2 million or something like that. It was good money.

And so allegedly they were going to make the merchandise while they're making the merchandise and everything. And then they're going to send everything in the Lanchas and the speedboats to Central America to Panama to get to Honduras. Then I am over there as a guarantee. You're being held as insurance. Again, I'm insurance. If something happens to that money or the merchandise, then they cut my head off point blank. Now, when I get there and I meet this cartel guys from Honduras, these business. Maras, which is a little family cartel.

I don't know if they work by chapters. I don't know how it works over there. They had just killed one of their brothers. The police just, you know, over there when they're frisking you, they tell you to get on the floor and you got to like allegedly lie down on the floor, put your guns to the side, they search you, and then they let you go. I don't know why they search you if you got guns on the side. But those guns have permits.

Yeah. So anyways, they did that with one of their brothers, but then they shot. They killed them. The cops were killers. And that guy, for some type of reason, was just like me. Blonde hair, green eyes, and that's it. Not the other brothers. Now, this is ironic. That's why I'm telling you this story. So once I started going there, on the first day that I was there, they had a confrontation

with some cops. And I didn't have anything, you know, no guns, no weapons, nothing. I was just the guy there, the insurance guy, the Colombian insurance guy. So then once that happened, I told the capo there, I told him, hey, man, you know, I'm not going to be running around here with you guys, you know, having these confrontations and not having a way to defend myself. So give me, give me my, I don't know how you would say that in English. Give me my equipment. Give me my gear, exactly.

Give me my gear, because every soldier is entitled to some type of gear. Give me my damn gear. So he gave me my gear. My gear was three erikinses, like you will see in those pictures, a five-seven cop-killer. You know which one that is? 57. Yeah. The 5-7 cop killer with little, well, you know what.

It's in the picture also. And he gave me his personal barretta, a gold barretta that is also in one of the pictures you'll probably show. With extension, obviously. Wow. And they have shot to shot and rapagat. I don't know how you say rapagat in English. I don't know. Raffagai, it's like you click it here and you can shoot one at a time or you click it down and three come out of a time.

Yeah, yeah. the bump, the stock or something? Yeah, I don't know how you would say it in English. In Spanish, you call it Rafaga. Piro or rapagas. So how long did you spend in, you're basically now, actually, I'm there with them. I'm like, waiting for the drugs to get made and shoot up.

You start working with these. Exactly. I started working with them, exactly. And I start having other confrontations with police. And they start saying that they start seeing that this Colombian is a bad motherfucker. You know, they used to tell me, I was just like a guerrillerieger. You're like a gorilla man.

And I was very good at shooting and everything. And they liked it. So we started getting together. Then we started doing like brotherly things like that they would have done with their brother. They always went crab hunting. They went crab hunting with these damn spears. And they taught me how to crab hunting. You would just see the little crab order with one hand.

And he said, when you see the hand there, you just do it here. And blow, man, we would just go crab hunting. And it was fun. And then whenever the military was coming to get him, because they were like in the Pablo Escobar days that the military was trying to get them. And they can be caught with a Colombian because if they're caught with a Colombian, then it's proof that they're drug trafficking. Wow. So, you know, these are really delicate. So there were times where we had to go up to the mountains and either wait for them and either if they

come, we would have to just shoot our way through or die or whatever, but it was just, and I was always cool about that and I was always ready for that. Now, they killed a lot of people. There were a lot of people that I don't know, for some reasons, once in a while, somebody would, we would be like in a little kind of finca kind of house like this. And once in a while, they would just bring some guy in and blah, blah, blah. I don't know what the hell happened with that guy. And then they would torture him and then kill him. And I was involved in a few of those. I mean, sometimes I was drinking and I wasn't going to be the guy that didn't do anything, you know.

Right. How would they torture people? I remember one guy, I remember one guy, they had him tied up and they would, they, they, they, They would just, they, they, they had like a needle nose pliers, and they would just start, like, taking chunks from him, like. Yeah. Like that. Yeah, like, oh my God.

Like, they would get you here and they could rip your damn thing off, or they would just take your nose, you know, all that crap. So I remember there was one guy, the first guy they tortured. I was so drunk that day. And I don't know why I felt like a, like a preacher that it looked like, I feel a little sorry for, like, after. being a killer, like, you know, I felt sorry for this guy. I don't know why.

And at the same time, I wanted to prove a point. So I had a beer bottle, and I started with a beer bottle, I just started going like this, like smashing it into his head. But I smashed it so hard that it was not enough to break it, but it was enough to break his here. It was like going down. And I started doing that. And I don't know.

That day I was really drunk. And I remember that the guy fell down. and I remember that I came and I came to the guy and I started strangling him there in front of everybody and I went like to his ear and I said just say whatever the fuck you have to say

you're gonna kill you don't you understand I don't know why I did I felt sorry for the guy because the guy looked like just one of the you know like when you go to Mexico and you see these guys that they look like all humble like somebody's father and I was like oh man

you know they're killing these guys who knows I don't know did they end up killing him today. Yeah, of course. That guy, yeah, that guy got killed. And then once they finished torture him, they sent him with a guy that cuts his head off. And he's like the guy that's the doorman. I don't know. The doorman, they liked him. He was famous for chopping heads up. And they said, metra la Cabeza. That's it. Bring me the head. And they would have to bring the head and that's it. And they would just get rid of him. Yeah, that was the first guy. Then another

guy one time we went to a, this guy was a real idiot. He was like one of these bombs from the street, but he wasn't, yeah, he was like a bum, all tattooed all over the place, and they, and these people, these little cities, like in Mexico, are very jealous. I mean, you can't just go into, yeah, in Honduras. But you got to be careful where you go in that city. If you go in that little town and you don't,

they don't know who you are, like you said about Kulia Khan, that they got surveillance, and you're not from there, they're going to kill you because they think you're spying or something. So we were at the gas station putting gas, and this damn idiot con, and asks for money. So the other brother, which is a killer, well, you know, he's driving, but he doesn't look

like a killer, and tells him, no, that we don't have any money, and this and that, because he hates crickets. They hate crackets. And the guy tells him, he tells him, oh, the reason I ask for money is so that I don't have to steal it. Oh, man, that really offended, that guy. They really hate thieves, too. Yeah, because he's like saying, well, if you don't give me money, I'm going to rob you.

Yeah. And he didn't know who the hell these people. work. So, so they know, Tranquilo, you're out of, don't worry, I'm going to let you have some money.

Just relax. I'm going to drive you down at the same time, like to drive him out of there. As a matter of fact, I even thought he was just going to drive him out of the hood until I'm never to come back.

So we started driving him out and then I was in the back again with the guy. And I don't know what they, I don't know what was going through my mind. Because, you know, I've been a cold-blooded killer, but in that moment,

I don't know why. I felt like shame for these guys. And I told the guy in the back, it was a pickup truck. I was back there with him. And I told him, look, man, just, as soon as they let you go, just get the hell out of here

and don't come back here, man. You're gonna, what do you want to die? Don't be so stupid. I don't know. And if they probably heard me with saying some crowd like that, they would probably kill me. They wouldn't like that shit.

I imagine. So then they took a little alley term. That's it. They told the guy to get down, walk that way, and then the guy just took his gun, Like three shots in the heart. Boom, and the guy started going like this.

As soon as he did that, I had no choice. So I just took my 5-7, which that destroys everything. And I just, boom, right in the head. As he was falling down, I got him in the head. And then the two guys that were with us that are from their clique, from their little cartel, they were very young guys, like that guy over there. They were very young guys, and they just came, they had Eriquinses. And they just came over, and they didn't shoot them.

They just left. And then I remember that day that they got in trouble because of that. They got in trouble because they didn't. No, no, with them from their bosses, the guy that was there. For not shooting them. For not shooting. They say, how could you do that? How could the Colombian help me kill the guy and you guys didn't do anything?

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and they just disappear. I didn't find out a lot about it because they did it. I mean, they would just, I would just hear them say that they had gotten rid of some guys back and the guy just, the boss would give the go ahead. I was normally with the top guys. I didn't have to do that crap. I was there celebrating and this and that. Okay.

How long were you there? So I was there for approximately two, like three months. And then after those three months that we were really tight, then we found out that my boss here had stole, took their money. He stole the damn money. I don't know if he's, I really can't say he stole it. Maybe something went wrong with the shit man. They got busted, but they weren't going to get $2 million back. That's it.

You're screwed. Boom. And maybe since I had been a drug addict and this and that, and sometimes these drug dealers, you know, they'll sacrifice even family if they have to. Wow. And they say it was like, you know, when you play chess and you got to sacrifice that piece, he had to sacrifice me. And they were going to sacrifice.

man. So, so I didn't know that, I didn't know that they knew already that that happened, but then finally they broke the news down to me. And I was like, oh, okay, so that's my ass. And they'll kill me at any moment. And they just, yeah, yeah, I was, yeah, I was, yeah. Were you pissed at your boss for fucking them over? Actually, with so much, actually, with everything he had done for me in his life, yeah, there was a little hatred there, but at the same time, I was like, ah, what the heck, you know, it's part of the game. It's part of the game Just like it was this guy

Now it's me I have no sure And one day it will be him Yeah So all right What the heck So I was you know Yeah

I said what the heck Whatever So they told me They told me If you last Two If you last three months Of war with us

And you don't get killed We'll send you back home So I was like Okay cool Cool But I knew they weren't going to do that I said they're going to shoot my You know

They're going to use me And then they'll just kill me Because they're can't have the police catch them with a Colombian. Yeah. I mean, this is like really odd. Wow. But can you believe that from so much violence and so much shit, people do have a little

piece of humanity inside of them? And all those three months that we had spent together and done the crap deal and maybe I, and I was sleeping in their, in their brothers, the brother that they killed, I was sleeping in that room. Wow. And I had met already their mother, their hideouts. I mean, I knew a lot of crap. So did you go to war?

Who were they warring against? Against the government. So, yeah, we were in that war. We had some confrontations here and there. Thank God, nothing happened to me. And then two months later, they came up to me and said, look, we're sorry, but, you know, you got to go because if they catch us with you, we're screwed. So tomorrow, the same guy that had picked me up at the airport, they told me that he was going to take me back and send me to Colombia. I didn't believe that.

Yeah, they're probably going to take me on side road into the field. Yeah, and feel me. And I don't know. The only thing I can say is that the glory of God or the mercy of God, they just came at and they, that guy came in the morning. I even, tears want to come out of it. I don't know if it's from happiness or gratefulness. But these guys just came out of nowhere and they took me to the damn airport.

They bought my plane ticket and they sent me home, man. And they did make me promise that they would come to Columbia and that I would have to show them how to find my boss to kill him. Wow. And of course I said, yes, I would do that. I was going to say no.

And they sent me home, man. Wow. And man, I'm telling you this. And the only proof I have of that is those little pictures you see me there

with the Maras and the machine guns. That's the only proof I have. And, but... People don't believe this story. They're not going to believe anything. Yeah, people won't... Yeah, and probably people will say,

ah, that's a bunch of bullshit, this and that. But it's, man, it's... It's the grace of God that has saved me. Why? I have no idea. Was that, the God saved you

three times at least. Three pivotal things, probably more than that. More, so many times. From 65 years in prison to to being murdered by Honduran MS-13 members, you know, like, it's incredible. And the life that I have here, for example, here, this statue says trust no one but God,

because, man, you can't trust no one in the that game. Here I had the name of one of my, that boss. I had tattooed his name. One day I was doing a tattoo and he told me, hey, write my name on there and I'll get it. I'll see if you'll do it. I said, yeah, no problem. What are you going to give me? I'll give you five million pesos, like a thousand or a thousand and five hundred dollars. It was bullshit, but I tattooed it because I knew I could always erase it. And, and, and, and, and, yeah, and basically that, that, that's kind of life that I have lived, you know, don't any care that the murder me surprise wherever death might surprise me, welcome it.

I will welcome it. So when did you start getting clean? Was that the moment that you realized? Yeah, yeah. Then I came back to, I came back. Yeah, I had to be clean over there because they would kill me over there. And even then, there were some of them

that would take some coke here and there. And one of their uncles sold coke. He was like a micro-trafficker. And he would tell us on the side, and we would, whenever we were sell various home, we would take little hits here and there, which it was not good. But we did it. So that's another survival story there because they would just shoot you. They don't like that shit.

They don't do that. For you to use your own merchandise, they don't like that crap. So once I came here, then I confronted my boss. We met somewhere and say, hey, man, you had probably 20 million and this and all this bullshit. and my motorcycle that I had to sell and this and that. So he got me a motorcycle. He gave me some money just like to get me away. And I don't know, he was having some problems himself.

They were after his ass. They were after his ass. So they had frozen his accounts. He had no money. He was struggling getting money here and there with what he could get. He was going through some other issues. My issue was just like to try to get my wife back to see what would happen. But then I started falling back into drugs and all that crap again.

And then I started working with some of the hitmen again that were left over and doing stupidities here and there and consuming drugs again. And then that's when all that started happening. Then my family came, my wife and my daughter came back from Italy. And then I was in the streets of Terran. I was just, you know, I went really low. I went really low. That was your rock bottom? That was my rock bottom.

And then I started working like in these, you know, drug houses. I was the doorman, but I was consuming. Then I would be the doorman. And then I would go here and there. You were like one of those kids today. Exactly. And those aos that we saw. Yeah.

Like clearly, like they are clearly involved with the drug dealing, but they're also on drugs. Yeah, they're also on drugs. I was just part of the game. And doing here, you know, helping pack up the drugs, sending it here. Yeah. And then it became a routine. And then at night when I didn't have more drugs and I didn't have a gun anymore, I didn't have a motorcycle. I didn't have a knife to go and, well, I mean, you could get a knife, but I was just not in the best looking way.

I mean, I couldn't just like fit into society to go and rob some motherfucker and then come back and do drugs like a normal drug he would do. No, I was already beyond that. So I had to, so I started recycling, like these people that recycle here. So I would be the doorman. I would sell drugs there and do what I had to do. But then when the other guy came in on the shift and I would always make sure I got the day shift. Then at night shift, then I would just go out and I would just start recycling because people in Columbia, man, they recycle their asses up. They recycled everything, plastic.

But it's really low, man. And a lot of people would be embarrassed to say that and to say that they have. But I'm not embarrassed. I'm proud because look at me today. You know, I'm here. I'm alive because of the mercy of God because I was able to put myself back on my feet. What was the year that you last, how much time do you have, as they say in the program? What was the last time you've used?

Being clean. Yeah, actually right now, I don't think it's that much, but people say it is a lot. I've been clean for approximately six years now. Okay. I'm going on six years. Okay. Yeah. And I've already been to drug houses and nothing, nothing, nothing.

It doesn't, I mean, before it was just a circle. I couldn't because I had already been through so many processes. Right. But it always, but I know that beast is there. Yeah. And I got to be careful with that beast. So I will not drink wine. I will not drink anything.

And anybody that offers me beers or wine or drugs knowing what I go through, then they're my instant enemy because they want to see me back that way. Right. But no, but I'm cool now. Now you could smoke a joint with me there. And I want to tell you to. Not after these stories. Nah, I want to ask you for that.

I mean, I had so much drugs in my life that I think it's still in my brain. You know, I still got a full tank. Yeah. Yeah. I'll keep a full tank. I guess the last kind of couple of questions is like, I mean, are you, why do you not worry? because we've talked to, you know, a lot of people that have worked as, you know,

contract killers, cicadios and stuff like that. And especially in Mexico, they're like, we can't, you have to change our voice, we have to cover up on all that. Why are you not scared? Why are you not scared about? Yeah, I'm not scared because, first of all, I never did think, yeah, yeah,

I killed people and I know that at one point I can just be eating a hamburger and somebody can say, hey, that guy killed my dad and they'll come and shoot me in my head, and there's nothing I can. do about it. And that can happen at any time. That's why don't care that's why, don't care that's why, don't care

that I have no choice. I can't change the past. And I can't live with the past as something that's going to create fear and have me hiding and start using drugs so that because maybe they might kill me. No, I can't go. I do have to live a normal life. That's it, you know. I'm an English teacher. I teach English. I try to give back to humanity, everything that I took away. I know the consequences of what could happen to me, but when I was a hitman, when I was in the drug business,

when I was in the gangs, I was always a straight person. I never screwed anybody over. And the majority of the people that got killed were people that deserved it. I never did harm to somebody that didn't deserve it. You know, and I'm not God to judge who deserved it or not,

but these people were bad people. You know, I remember one guy that, that he was just going to kill my friend. And I remember he went one day and shot my friend's house up. He almost shot his little son, man, a little kid about that size. And he told him that if he didn't, I don't know why, that he was going to kill him the next day. And this guy was a killer. He would go the next day and kill him.

So what did we have to do? The guy had to hire me, even though I was his friend. And I had to go and luckily I got the guy the next day. getting on his motorcycle, possibly going to go kill my friend. And I got him right there on that motorcycle. And would, you know, I just, I put it in the, and I put the gun right here in this little hole. You see this little socket you have here?

Yeah. You just put that in that little socket and you point it down and you just shoot three times. And that's just going to, that's just going to tear up the arteries, the heart. I mean, if he doesn't die there, then he, you know, he's not human. And God strike you down. Yeah, he's definitely going to die right there. Wow. And that's it.

Because you know, and... Do you worry about as a Christian? Like that guy, I worry. That guy I worry. Well, no, I'm sorry. I don't worry. But that guy, his son now, I've heard that he's... Do you know?

Does he know? Does his son know that you killed his father? His son doesn't know that I killed his father. But his mother was really good friends. His mother was best friends with my friends. his mother was best friends with my friend's wife and now they have separated and he did a lot of shit to her

so she hates him so who knows at one point they're going to drink beers and they will find out and who knows at one point she's going to drink beers and he's going to tell her and at one point they can find me

and her son will say hey I'm going to go kill the guy that killed my dad and if he does it that's cool you know but do you feel like for this party you feel like you deserve you deserve it, even though you don't want it to come. Like, if it comes, you say, well, that's what I...

Yeah, that's what I... That's what I planted and that's what I will sell. Right. Yeah. But I also know that the Lord is mightier than all of that. And it's his decision. Right. So I'm not worried about it.

I'm trying to do my good deeds. I... Right now, I teach English. That's what I do. I teach English. I try to teach immigrants. You're very busy. English teaching. Yeah, yeah, I teach. So if anybody

watching this episode needs an English teacher. Yeah, I teach, I'm an online teacher, so people don't see my tattoos and all that crap. They don't know my life. I just teach and teach. No, that's what I was saying at the top of the episode. It's so weird because, like, you're such a nice guy, such a cool guy. We let you around all of our, like, expensive equipment.

It hasn't, you haven't, you haven't run off of it yet. Yeah, yeah. But, like, you've got this pretty bloody, gory, very Colombian story, you know? And that's how my past. I would, I would, I wouldn't, like right now, what would I earn if I, like, stole all your things or drowned you guys in the pool and just took up in your car? I mean, what the heck am I going to, what the heck am I going to accomplish there, you know?

Just more karma and then that beast is going to wake up because karma will come up. Then I'll have to go and do drugs to feel to numb myself with what I just did. No, man, that wouldn't, that would, that's not even in my, yeah. That's why I'm doing the interview with no mask, because I don't give a care. Yeah. I don't give a damn. Whatever the Lord's will for this interview, for people that will see this interview and think about whatever it is, it is. Well, I certainly, I certainly appreciate it.

And I, yeah, it's, it's amazing. and I consider you a friend. And, yeah, we're very grateful for you. And I hope you're around for a lot longer, you know. Just keep doing good. Yeah, yeah, I will. And if some rich guy, a millionaire, some guy just looks at this effort and say, hey, you know, I want to send this guy $50,000 so that he can just redo his life with

his family and what the heck, let's give him a chance. Hey, it won't bother me. Yeah, there you go. I got his info. I'm not sure that we have that kind of fan base, but you never know. 50,000 pesos, baby. Yeah, and if somebody wants to just, you know, shoot a birdie over,

hey, that's welcome to everything's cool, whatever. Even if you were able to watch the episode and enjoy it and, you know, like, damn, you know, whatever, whatever negative, positive feedback, whatever it is, it is. I think it gets sober is the point. If you can do it, they can do it. For sure. You can do it.

Like you, whatever drug addict, is watching this, they have not done as much bad stuff as you. That's pretty much a guarantee. So, and you turned yourself around. So, congrats to you, sir. Yeah. And if anybody is also... I'm not there with your sweet wife.

Yeah, yeah. I'm so excited. Yeah, that's great. And if anybody is watching also this episode and thinks that they're doing a hell of a job because they're in the game and they're getting that money, trust me, sooner or later, everything will go to hell.

Either you'll end up in a cemetery, dead, in jail, in prison. I'm telling you the story because God just, you know, he had mercy on me, and I can tell the story, okay? And like I have hearing this last tattoo here, you say, De lo vil and lo menospreciado me saco Dios. It's like from the scum of the earth is where the Lord takes us and just changes. Because I have a good heart. I mean, now I, you do. I mean, you know, I watch movies and I cry.

You know, I watch movies here and there and it hurts me. I, you know, and before I didn't have that type of heart. So something is okay. Yeah. Something has been okay. Alex, I appreciate you, sir. That was awesome. That was fucking amazing.

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