The Connect- with Johnny Mitchell - Confronting Adam22 About His Podcast Beefs, Rap Career, & Being Internet's Biggest New Adult Star

Episode Date: November 28, 2024

Adam22 opens up about the highs and lows of his career as a podcast host, rapper, and internet personality. We delve into his controversial podcast episodes, his views on the evolving rap scene, and the challenges of balancing family life with a career in the adult entertainment industry. Stay tuned for an unfiltered conversation that gets to the heart of what drives Adam22’s success and the controversies surrounding his career. Go Support Adam! YouTube: @NoJumper IG: http://www.instagram.com/adam22 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/adam22 Join The Patreon For Bonus Content! https://www.patreon.com/theconnectshow Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Have you interviewed anyone besides Triple X that later ended up getting killed? Oh, tons, yeah. Do you ever feel like guilt or some kind of like responsibility after they get killed? A little bit. The Jason Love, Lina, video, did that affect you, your mental health? Like, did that bother you? It fucked with me for a little bit. Everybody was calling you a cuck.

Are you worried about when your daughter gets old enough to understand and that comes out? We are so lucky that we grew up in the last generation. on earth to not have a device in our hand that transmits to the whole world. Do you think about that? Like we were alone with just our environment when I was 13 or 12 and not like I think that a lot that I had like a nice chunk of my life without the internet and then like right as I was reaching maturity I like kind of got online. Well dude I didn't own a cell phone until 2004 when I was 18.

Probably the same. Yeah, 2004. I was 21. Okay. Yeah. So you were like a senior when I was a freshman, something like that. Yeah. Yeah, I bought an ounce of weed, a scale, baggies, and then I went to the Sprint store and got an $85 cell phone. That was all my, that was one day. Right. And that was, you know. Nobody had a cell phone my entire time in high school. It was completely foreign. So now when I hear teachers talk about it, then I hear all the shit in the news and stuff about it. I'm like, fuck, I can't even imagine how much that would have changed everything. Everything. What are you going to do with your kid? Have you talked about that with Lena? Like how you're, like how you're, going to raise the kid in terms of devices and shit. Yeah, we're like, she has like almost no TV time, but somehow that turns into her like fetishizing TV so fucking unbelievably hard. Like when she talks about like what she wants to do on like her dream day, a part of it is like, and we can watch a movie. We can sit on the couch and watch a movie. Like it's just so appealing to kids,

even though we give her almost nothing. Dude, you are like a good parents. You're responsible. You have these like high middle class values and yet every day day in and day out you're you're interacting with the opposite yeah like you're a man that's why i wanted to talk to you you're fascinating in your dualities and your wife yeah and we'll get into that sure yeah um so you're from new hampshire yes was it like what kind of was it a middle class um where yeah super middle class my mom's a librarian my dad's a a social worker or was a social worker. Everybody always hypes it up and acts like my dad was like super involved in politics, but he was like an unpaid volunteer for Bill Clinton on his first presidential campaign.

So that was like part of my childhood is that we're going to political events and, you know, going and putting up signs for different like democratic candidates that my dad was working with and stuff like that. But, you know, really like probably just the most ordinary, simple, lower middle class upbringing ever. never really like had any kind of interaction with anything um big besides bill clinton 1992 second grade my dad just ended up working on his campaign and then all of a sudden you fast forward like a year or two and he's the president like that was fucking insane but right yeah right but yeah good good old school democrat parents yeah just like and that's the camp those are battleground states places

like new hampshire just like real ordinary yeah like it's just the most normal ass upbringing possible And from a super young age, I was just attracted to all this cosmopolitan shit. You know, my memories of going to Boston as a kid always felt very revelatory of like, ah, this is the environment that I need to be surrounded by. Like this is. And when I first went to New York, when I was like 18, I was like, holy fuck, this is it. Like this, I was not meant to be around this slow moving shit. It made you vibrate.

Yes. Literally made you levitate almost. Yeah. And still to this day, the excitement of being in Manhattan. is like so infectious. I can't go to bed until four or five in the morning. I can't. Like,

I just love it so much, but somehow I'm stuck in this quiet Southern California lifestyle instead. We're going there in two days, and I'm already feeling it like in my guts. I'm like, I feel that tingling. I'm kind of sweating, talking about it.

Yeah. It's the best. Yeah. So we had that really kind of similar childhoods. I mean, we probably had a little more money than you. My dad was a lawyer. My mom worked at the hospital.

It was a little bit. more upper middle class, but same shit, right? Like I read about New York in like a novel in like eighth grade, Harlem, like what Harlem was like in the 50s. Fucked up, by the way. But I was like, oh, yeah, I need to. There's something bigger that I, and I didn't know what it was, but I always knew it was something more than like what I grew up around. Yeah. And it was a lot. We grew up around. I just always knew that I was not going to be able to be a person with a right. regular job like I never even considered it. I always just knew that I had way too much energy and that I wasn't going to be able to do anything that I didn't really want to do. And still to this

day, like, if I'm doing an hour long meeting about business shit that I just don't really care about or don't want to be doing, I feel it. Like, I'm just tapping my hands. I'm fucking stomping my foot up and down. It's like I start getting distracted by other shit. Like I just have such a hard time doing anything besides what I'm excited about at that moment. So you're hyperactive. crazy yeah so how did that manifest as a kid just getting in trouble constantly in school like just you know it's probably like one of or top top five worst behaved kids in my like elementary school for instance by the time i made it as a junior high i was getting suspended for fighting and acting crazy in class and all this kind of shit it was just like i just fit in very poorly and also

you know people think i'm smart or whatever i appear smart but it's like i did terrible in school like i had really really hard time even passing anything yeah yeah i can see all that makes sense yeah Did you have, did you grow up? Was it all white? Or was it urban? Was it hood at all? Did you have any interaction with the street? No,

no, not really like urban by any significant means. Like, you know, if anything, I got into BMX bikes because I fucking saw that as a way of like, ah, this is my vehicle to like experiencing a lot more in life. All of a sudden I was like hanging out of my friends downtown Nashville until three, four in the morning and just really being around cool shit. Like I always say that I feel like if I had just been introduced to gangs, or robberies or any kind of bullshit when I was young, it probably would have

I don't see myself as being the type of person who would have had the instincts to say no. To rise above your environment. Yeah, same dude. I think I would have pretty much gone with whatever had been placed in front of me. For sure. You know, I'm lucky that I got introduced to like, you know,

the punk and hardcore scene as well as like the BMX scene and all that kind of shit like before I really got introduced to any kind of like hardcore criminal shit. Were you like smoking weed or anything? A little bit, but I was I was like a straight edge throughout most of high school. Like I remember smoking a little bit of weed when I was like 16 and then just being like, you know what? Fuck this shit.

Like I'm, because I was listening to all these like hardcore bands that were like super anti-drinking and smoking and I just kind of like saw that in myself right away that I was just like this is a better way of life. Like this is going to there's, there's a place I'm trying to go and keeping my mind clear is going to help me get there. But I was also just like socially conditioned. Like a lot of the cool dudes I was around where like dudes who were like adamantly anti getting fucked up. Insane.

I was like nobody would think that you never looking at you or watching your podcast. Yeah. But like in the hardcore community, it's just like the cool dudes were the vegan dudes and the dudes who didn't smoke and drink and the dudes who would punch a dude in the face for drinking at the at the show and shit like that. Which that sounds insane. It's punching somebody in the face for drinking. But for real. I was just like the. that's a drunk move.

And I see it now and I realize that's the same exact mentality of like wanting to be the most hardcore that inspires the gang members that I know who flash out and do crazy as shit. It's like 100% because they're just trying to be the most extreme version and that is going to gain them respect within their in group. So was it like you were in bands and doing BMX? I was never in a band. I used to like really kind of think about it, but I never had any kind of musical. talent.

You know, I remember like picking up a book about how to play the drums and thinking, like, I'm going to figure this out. And by the time I got to like page four, I just was like, I don't get it. I'm not going to be able to figure this out. I was into BMX bikes and traveling and hanging out with girls and stuff like that. And like there was a few moments. Like there's a bunch of shit that happened when I was like 18, 19, 20, where like there was a band that seemed like they were kind of blowing up within the metal hardcore community.

And I was torn with them and like doing their merch and shit like that. And there was one night where the singer of the band drank. and we were staying at some dude's house and the singer ended up yelling at the dude's mom or some shit or like telling her to shut the fuck up and I was horrified because he's drunk and he's being rude to this lady who's letting us stay at our house and I had not you know developed the idea of like the boss is always right like the guy who's making the who's calling the shots you don't just get to tell him to shut the fuck up even if they really should shut the fuck up so that like when I think about that I might have ended up touring with that band for a another three, four, five years until they broke up and spending a significant portion of my youth on that. But, you know, I fucking worked my way out of that situation by just being a dick to the singer. And when I think about it, I'm like, damn, like my life could have gone in a completely different direction, probably not in a positive sense, because there's just so little opportunity in that world from my perspective. But you've had a love of music from the beginning.

Yeah. Because this is going to come into play later when you start podcasting. I've always been into all, like, when I was really young, when I'm like eight or nine, I get super into rap. That was like my primary thing until I found out about Green Day in 94. Got super into punk and grunge and smashing pumpkins and Nirvana and stuff. But I was always listening to rap too. And at that time in the late 90s, it was very much like you had to choose one or the other. Like you can't. And there's probably people watching this or are still stuck in that mentality of like, oh, well, if you were really hyped on Nirvana and smashing pumpkins, then you weren't really a rap fan. How could you fuck with Dre? For me, it was everything all at once,

metal, hardcore, everything. What were some of your rap? Because now it seems like you mostly interview like West Coast rappers, right? Like internet rappers. I was a street oriented rappers in general, but that was always what I was super into. Like Snoop Dog was the first rapper that I was like really truly gung-ho on in like 91 or 92.

I definitely like some like conscious rap, like Black Star and the roots and shit like that. But like this is just so hard to like get into music at that time or it was hard to even get CDs. I used to do the thing in the back of the magazine where you could get like 10 CDs for a dollar or whatever. Yeah.

And, but, but even that, it was like, there's only so many CDs in that shit. And I figured out how to do it for free, basically, or how to like, basically scam it at a young age. And that was like my primary way that I got into music. But then all of a sudden, it's 1998 and you got Napster. You got fucking, you know, lime wire and all these things popping up. And that, that was a crazy moment for me to realize, like, oh, I can leave my computer on overnight and download 10 MP3s and wake up and listen to them. And that was just felt like the biggest scam ever because I was so used to spend $15. on a CD. It changed the game because before you really had to know somebody. Like if you wanted to get put

on to rap that wasn't on MTV. Yeah. You know, like MTV music videos, you had to have like a plug. Like you had to have some your friend's older brother who was like, yo, check this cat out. Talib Kuali is his name. Like, you wouldn't have known that on the West Coast. You're like, who the fuck is Talib Kuali? Like, all I know is people that are in a music video. Like you had to be and that kind of made it exciting because you're like, oh shit, it's like finding a new drug. Yeah. I would go to Barnes & Noble and Borders religiously

and just look at the different rap magazines that they had. And one of them was a murder dog. And I remember like looking through and seeing all these ads and realizing I could order these CDs from these labels and different distros and shit like that. But at the same time, like, you know, I never really like, I don't think I ever actually did it. But I would always think about that.

I was like, I knew there was like a different label. of shit out there that I could discover, but it was so difficult. Like when I talked to people my age about music, like we were all kind of listening to the same shit in our high school era because just how else were you going to? It was like porn. You passed it around. Oh, yeah. We did that too.

Yeah. Do you remember Pleasuredome with Ron Jeremy was one of the first like VHS porno tapes that my crew got a hold of. And you would pass it around to your boys. And it's like, yeah, hey, I jacked off to this thing for two weeks. and now you, you know, you pass it to the homie. We did that. Yeah.

We traded VHF porn tapes 100%. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Dude. Okay. So you're an idea guy. Like you've always been this, it seems, this independent kind of thinker that's a new adopter of stuff. Would you say you're kind of, you know, Napster came along?

You're on it. Right? This thing comes along. You're on it. Does that describe you? Yeah. I mean, I was just like perpetually online at that time. Like I couldn't drag myself away from it.

And I just realized, like, I was learning so much stuff about hacking shit or, like, you know, being able to, like, there was a lot of this, this whole AOL scene back then where you could, like, make fake accounts and you could kick other people offline by sending them a bunch of messages at once using these programs and shit like that. And I just was, like, super fascinated by that. And when I think about it, I probably would have gone all in on being like a computer programmer slash hackers slash doing some kind of fraud, whatever. but I actually got the internet. My mom took the internet away in 1997 for like two years because I went in a Hanson chat room. You remember Hansen? Hansen Mbop. Yeah, this is what we did.

We were going to chat rooms of the shit we didn't like and we would hate on people who like that shit, which is now that's like everyone on Twitter. And I remember going in the Hanson room and being like, yo, you guys are a bunch of fags. And then my mom got an email on the AOL account like the next day saying like you're this account attached to yours, went in this chat. room was calling people faggots and she flipped out took the internet way for a couple of a couple years and that like really allowed me to become more of like a real person because that's when I got super hardcore into the BMX biking thing and all of a sudden I'm outside and I'm riding bikes all the time and I'm you know just being around people developing like real world street smart social skills as opposed to just being online all the time but then when I got the internet back I start spending like all my

nights on these different message boards about punk music and rap and BMX bikes and all this kind of shit And like, I kind of like had a sense even when I was really young that I was going to be able to start to make money off, uh, off content one way or another. But it's like the, this was such the DVD slash VHS slash like magazine era and BMX bikes and everything that it just felt completely unapproachable, you know? You hadn't seen anybody create that kind of business yet really. No, no. No. And you were what was called a computer nerd back then. Now everybody is a computer nerd.

We all have computers in our phones and our pockets. and everybody is doing what like dorks did back then. Like when I went to school, it's not like I would have been able to explain these forums that I was on to the people I went to school with. You know, they were not even close to that tapped in, you know? Right. So you have your like,

your worlds are like converging like the internet and then your BMX activities. Yeah. And, but I had this like weird segue that like took me even further outside of like normal life, which is basically like, spring weekends are all about family. sunshine and evenings on the patio. Before everyone arrives, I stop by my local Total Wine and Moore to grab a great bottle to share. With such a wide selection and the lowest prices,

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inside the Barnes & Noble and I would read some BMX magazine for a half hour and then I'd walk out of there with like $500 worth of books under my arm. And then I would like, you know, go to the record store and steal a bunch of CDs. And I'd go to this other store and I'd steal some like, you know, whatever I could sell on eBay. And I'm, I'm in college at the time. And I'm like doing like a full scale like, you know, just selling shit on eBay. Like art supplies, I had a down jacket that I would like tighten at the bottom and then like zip it up halfway.

And I'd go into the art supply store and be taking these $20 tubes of paint and just stuffing them into my jacket and then go home, sell them all on eBay for five, six, seven bucks. And I was making, you know, probably five grand a month on average doing that. And I mentioned it on this forum or some shit. And so this dude that I knew this 21 year old kid reaches out to me and is basically like, yo, I'm doing credit card scams. I want to put you on. I go visit him in Manchester, New Hampshire. And he basically like shows me how you purchase these credit card accounts and you swipe these cards through this card reader and you put the information onto it. And then you can go and do all these purchases and everything like that.

And I had another friend. I brought him in on it, but he was like smarter than me. So he watched this guy do the whole method and memorizes everything, including like the names of the computer program and the name of the card reader, et cetera. We just break off from him and start doing it all ourselves. I did that for a couple of years. And it was like pretty profitable,

but also like terrifying, you know, to be doing this on a daily basis of like going into all these malls and, you know, doing 10, 20 different purchases. And then meanwhile, like being. scare shit list that the security is going to run down on you and we had crazy close calls. But I, you know, I was honestly done that by like 21 and I like started this BMX website, which was like there was all these like DMX blogs that I was checking at the time that I thought

were super or excuse me, hip hop blogs that were like, you know, basically just like posting magazine covers and, you know, new songs and new music videos, et cetera. And I noticed it in myself that I had been a person like my whole life that would go by the source or double Xcel every single. month and all of a sudden I didn't care anymore and I was I didn't care anymore because of these blogs that were like way more up to the minute right and I was just like oh there's all these old stodgy BMX magazines that are basically just like you know doing what their advertisers want them to do and I was like oh this is sick I'm going to be the hardcore version of that and I'm just

going to start a website and I'm going to talk hell of shit and I'm going to get everybody to pay attention to this and I'll figure out how to monetize it at some point you know wow marketing bro yeah But now when you look at that, it's like so obvious. Everybody who's interested in something, like there's some kid who has a Johnny Mitchell fan page probably that reposts little clips from these interviews and any kind of little drama and shit. And he's probably got his nice little 5, 10,000 followers. If there's not, there should be.

Because that's just what kids do now. And but at the time, that was like nobody had really thought of that. And I managed to make like a real business out of it. Yeah. Well, that's what I mean. Of course it seems obvious 20 years later, right? Everything does. Like, you know, Bitcoin 20 years from now.

seem like a no-brainer. But at the time, it always starts with like a collection of weirdos that find their community and now it's online. So you saw, you were like, okay, just like how the hip hop blogs consolidated all this information from the old magazines, old hip-hop magazines, you basically did that, the first one to do that with BMX magazines. Yeah, and there's like a dude who I still watch his podcast once in the BMX community. And like recently I saw him talk.

about me on his podcast and he basically said that I intentionally torched the BMX industry, like the media side of things for my own gain. And he's right. Like I totally did. Like I, I took these magazines that were making, you know, however much fucking money, probably six figures a month. And I basically just like threw them under the bus and put tons of time and effort into like shitting on them and explaining why their advertisers being ripped off, etc. Just to glorify my platform and the internet in general. And I would tell everybody, even in 2006, 2007, print is dead. This shit is all out.

Like, this shit is gone soon. And I was right. And you don't really get any points for being right. I made myself a lot of enemies in the BMX industry. But, you know, I definitely, like, was extremely cut throw and made a ton of people in the BMX industry hate me. And at a certain point, I realized that I needed to be a little more positive and not just, like, attacking everything in the industry.

Because, you know, when I look at it, it's like hip hop's a huge industry. So we constantly attack each other And we constantly do content Dragging each other down But it's huge BMX is smaller It feels like a family I remember one time in BMX

There was a year where like four or five Giant Pro Riders all got divorced And it never got discussed in the media Nobody ever talked about it Which is completely different than hip hop Where if somebody was getting divorced Like you would be the victor of the day If you expose the divorce

Before anybody else was able to And that's just like how different subcultures manage themselves based on how big they are for the most part. But yeah, I just saw that there was something for me to gain by like basically like shitting on these magazines and I made that my purpose in life.

Now, did you actually believe what you were saying? Or was that just to be provocative to get eyeballs? I believed what I was saying because I'm looking at it like, you know, these magazines are on the way out. My shit is super popular. But meanwhile, all these advertisers are still fucking with these magazines

and getting absolutely raked over the fucking coals because they're just charging them so much money. and I already knew the statistics about how many, like what a giant percentage of those magazines end up in landfills and shit like that. However, rewind the clock, I look at it, you know,

the fact that skateboarding still has thrashers, the fact that skateboarding has multiple magazines. I mean, those really, like a lot of those skateboard companies advertise and thrashor, and it's not like they really think they're actually getting a return on their investment. They do it because it's important for the industry

to have standards and to have, you know, a flagpole thing or what is it, tent poles? things that like, you know, make the industry a real thing, you know? And it's like I was happy to tear it down. But when I look back at it now, it's like, oh, I should have, you know, at the same time, you got to get on.

A lot of people got to destroy somebody in the process of getting on. Of course. So you got, how big did the blog get, the website get? I can honestly say that within like six months it was the biggest BMX website, which didn't really mean much at the time because there wasn't that much competition. But like, you know, all these other magazines and stuff basically start. focusing on their web presence. But all throughout the 10 years that I was really focused on this,

we were just by far the biggest platform in BMX. Like how, the only thing. How many, how do you, what's the metrics on that? It wasn't followers back then. Is it like,

do you run it through like, page views and independent viewers on, you know, unique viewers on the website and shit like that? I would spend all kinds of time in my Google analytics just digging through that shit, even though I'm sure the numbers would be pretty tragic in comparison to everything we do that.

I just like can't even remember numbers at all. But I remember like a video would come out and like Vimeo was kind of the platform of the time as opposed to YouTube because YouTube you like couldn't use whatever music you wanted at the time. You were getting shit and taken down all the time. And I remember it would let you see what websites had driven traffic to this video. And it would be like, you know, if the video got 100,000 views from my platform, it would get like, you know, a couple thousand. from like our nearest competitor. Right. So I took so much pride in that that like I am literally getting 30 times as many viewers

on this piece of content, but yet somehow this company doesn't want to advertise with me, which I didn't really understand at the time that when you create a platform and you're trying to sell advertising, it's not just about the size of the platform. It's also about the experience for the viewer. And does this content, does this platform match the values of the brands,

etc? And if you're doing the nonstop, activity thing. Yeah. It's going to be hard for brands to really want to get behind you. So at some point I kind of compromised my mission statement and stopped being so negative and all over the place, which when I look at it now, it's like I don't really have to make that decision as much. I mean, I kind of do because it's a lot of times I want to interview somebody and then I'll think about, you know, maybe they don't want to do the interview and the reason why is because last time they had a controversy, we talked about it very openly on the podcast. And then, you know,

people typically wouldn't want to do content with you or whatever. But is controversy something that you actively seek when you're bringing, deciding who to bring on or questions to ask? I mean, I think it's really more about like just what are people excited about. What do people want to see you talk about? What are people interested in at that time? But a lot of times controversy is very much like the thing. You know,

it's like one of the complaints I get about the Tuesday show, the no jumber show that I do every Tuesday is like me lush and Brick Baby, we all kind of, we get along a little too good. We agree about shit a little too much, which can be kind of boring. Like there's been other times with the podcast I notice where like when people get really involved is when there is some kind of conflict. When there's, you know, somebody who's creating arguments consistently. And it's, it's, it can be tough because sometimes it feels like those arguments get in the way of better conversations. But sometimes the audience doesn't really want to hear like high level discussions. They want to hear arguments. They want to hear

controversy. They want to hear somebody get mad, get out of pocket, you know. Do you like your audience? I do, although it definitely contains, you know, many different types of people, some of whom want to see me win and some of whom do not want to see me win and some who probably oscillate between the two over and over. But there's definitely been times where I was like, holy fuck, I've created an army of fucking idiots that I want nothing to do with. And then there's also been times where we feel 1,000 percent your pain, dude. You have a good. You have a good. audience you have a solid audience in terms of size and the number of views you can expect to get on shit but like over the over the years sometimes i'll like bring a bunch of different people on as like co-hosts and stuff and then when they leave you feel it like you see the comments you see everything you see yourself losing followers and you're like oh fuck like that's many tens of thousands of people who like kind of don't plan on watching my shit anymore as a result of whatever this narrative is and even when you completely don't agree with it even when you think it's totally unfair like you're like you're realizing that you made those fans and now you've also lost those fans like having gone

through that experience that will make you mega thankful for anyone who watches your shit you know like I went to six flags with a big ass crew of porn stars the other day and I took you know probably like a hundred fucking 200 photos or whatever and like a couple of them said like I can't believe you just do that over and over and I'm like yeah but like bro but the dark period of my life will be the point where I come to six flags and nobody gives a foe. That's right. I hope by that point, I'm not judging myself on the metric of like how popular I am. But you know, you just, you can't take those people for granted.

You know, it's such a crazy relationship with people to just know that they're watching your shit consistently. Never mind buying tickets for a live show or buying merch, whatever. It's like you just cannot take that shit for granted. No, of course. And you know what I've noticed? Like I, we don't take for granted. Actually, how smart most of our audience is.

Because we can tell when we bring in people that are kind of out of. the theme of drugs in prison and people love it. They really get it. Like Hollywood's problem and part of the reason that they are basically extinct as a business is because they assume their audience was dumb as fuck. When in reality, it's just the loudest haters that make it seem like this is the entirety of your audience, these morons. But no, and they need, their numbers need to be so big that they have to appeal to an

incredibly broad audience, which basically means they have to be fucking morons because you want to also get like 10 year olds to watch this content or whatever, you know? 10 year old Chinese kids with bullcuts. Right. Whereas me and you, you know, I'm happy to do an interview that gets 50K, 60K views if it's something that I believe in. And I just know that like the percentage of my audience who watches it might be kind of small.

But right. It meant something to me. Sure. You know, sure. It might build to something else over time. So how much money, going back to the genesis of all of this, the, all of this. the off the BMX website. You did it for a decade? Yeah, I started it in 2006 and then around 2016 is pretty much when I just had the realization of like, damn, no jumpers taken off.

I can't put this much time into this business anymore. It's just not like a big enough business, you know? So you were in New York City. You moved to New York. So I moved to New York when I was like 21 and I stayed there until 2009, basically, I think. And the whole time I was working on the BMX side of things. And around 2009, I had a bunch of homies who we were doing this brand on some shit with and we were just filming all the time, party and hanging out. I just formed this really good friend group of all these dudes. And I started this brand to basically like, you know, represent this group of dudes that I was riding and filming with. And then at a certain point, I, uh, a few of them suggested like, yo, we should just move to California, you know, and we didn't

know anything. I remember when we moved out there, people were, you know, helping us figure where we want to stay at there like do you want to stay in long beach or like LA I'm like I don't fucking know dude like I don't even know the difference like I haven't been out here long enough to like even get what that signifies and we ended up moving in a long beach for a couple of years and then I ended up moving downtown LA and starting a bike shop after doing a few years in long beach and starting the bike shop kind of set everything in motion because all of a sudden now I had a spot where I could do podcasts I spent about a year just interviewing like every BMXer every company owner,

etc. That I could get my hands on. And was it no jumper? Was that the original name? The come up was my BMX website. If I didn't have hair grown out right now, you could see a tattooed on the side of my head. But the come up was the BMX website.

Okay. And then that was going cool. For sure, it was like the first BMX podcast that did anything of significance, you know? I mean, because that podcasting in 2010, 2014 or so was probably when I started it downtown L.A. But still pretty new, though.

Yeah, it was super new and like number one comment was like why the fuck would you think that i would want to listen to you to talk for an hour and a half with this fucking dude you know it's like people just couldn't really wrap their head around long form content as much but i was a joe rogan super fan at that time you know and i'm watching the joe buddyn podcast and combat jack and all these different podcasts and sort of like realizing this is the future of content like this is way better than everything else out there right and uh so then but at the same time i'm also going to a lot of underground rap shows because i had made friends with these different underground soundcloud rapper type dudes who are like way younger than

me but they're fucking with my BMX brand and they're like wearing the clothes and they're coming to our jams and stuff and at the time even though these dudes are basically like irrelevant there's no reason for me to even say their name because you're not going to who the fuck they were but they were like driving a shitload of attention to my BMX brand which had never you know BMX is only it's only so big you know it pales in the in comparison to skateboarding even skateboarding is not really that big in terms of like actual audience and shit so you know all of a sudden i'm fucking poppin zanz and smoking blunts at parties with all these different characters and the sort of like downtown l a hipster fucking internet whatever world i keep meeting more and more people and i keep thinking like this dude

would be a fire interview like i bet i can get 100 000 views if i interview that guy joe rogan is never going to understand who this dude is but i can do this i can dip my toe and there was so many people I wanted to have conversations with from rappers to clothing designers, etc. And I was getting myself into positions where I kind of could. But at the same time, it's like, how are you going to ask this super successful clothing designer to go get lunch with you when he's got a million different things going on? And I realized pretty quickly, like, oh, if I start building a platform, they're going to want to have a conversation with me because it's going to glorify them and promote them. And I realize, like, every single person I network and interact with in this environment is going to basically

be a step forward in terms of me being able to meet all of the most important people in this world and expand into other worlds and then that just set me off on this trajectory of like so i can spend eight hours on youtube tonight and find out about 20 different content creators never mind rappers never mind whoever and then i can like go out of my way to meet them i can follow them on instagram i can message them i can email them and maybe if i find 20 people that i want to interview i'm only going to get two of them but that's fucking great i learned that from hollering at chicks my whole life is like you talk to 100 girls and you get one who gives you the time of the day well you got laid yeah one time fuck the other 99 right so that's so it was

basically you started off with guys you could get exactly yeah wow and you have this knack for like finding characters like it's it's a producer's mindset really like you see this guy kryp mac yeah who the fuck is this you know he's just some big you know burly gigantic half retard no offense he's schizophrenic yeah there you go. So I am accurate in saying that. Yeah. Like, for example, how did you discover this guy? Literally, like, I think I just saw like a YouTube short in 2020. And I think it had like 400,000 views. And it was just like him talking to the camera, banging his hood, dissing his enemies. And I was just blown away. Like, this is one of the craziest trips I ever seen in my entire life. So I, I started DMing him and I sent him 50 bucks to basically, like, I think it was a birthday shoutout for my wife. I just sent him, like, I asked him, like, how much to do, like, a birthday shoutout for my girl.

And he charged me, like, 50 bucks or whatever. And I was like, okay, cool. But we got to do an interview after that. And he's like, all right, bet. And, like, he came through. And it was just the craziest conversation I ever had. And that really kind of, like, set us off on a different trajectory because I wasn't really focused on the gang shit or whatever for a long time.

And around that time, like, pandemic eras when I started to, like, really go hard on, like, like covering everything that was going on in LA from a street perspective and trying to sort uncover all these different characters that people would be fascinated by. And that's kind of the trajectory you're on now, it seems, right? I mean, that's one of the things for sure. Like, I feel like hip hop is always kind of like our guiding light, but like you can only get so deep into hip hop before you basically are not telling the complete story unless you also talk about the street politics and the gangs and all that kind of stuff, you know.

So you really at a certain point have to understand that. Like my Chicago interviews would be fucking useless if I didn't have at least some idea of like who gets along with who and who you need to ask everybody about or whatever because conflict is just such a gigantic part of it. When did it become about rap? When did you when did you realize in the course of doing the podcast? Well, first of all, when did it become no jumper? How long did it take you to go from the come up? You know, the original name for the the biker website to no jumper? I think 2015 is when I started the no jumper platform.

I just kind of realized like, because at that time I was like, I'm going to just keep doing both of these side by side because I have no reason to believe that the no jumper thing is going to really take off. But that's when we like came up with that name. And it became more about rap. Like I mean, my earliest interviews outside of BMX were rappers, but I didn't realize that that was going to be our specialty until I started to, you know, really just see the feedback from the audience and realize that every time I went out. outside of hip hop. The audience was kind of conflicted about it. I remember I interviewed Riley Reid is like one of the most famous porn stars ever. Audience was super fucking furious about it,

even though now it has like seven million views or whatever. But like that at the time felt like we were compromised because it's like, oh, we are coming to this platform for all the cool new underground rappers. Why are you talking to fucking Cody Co or like some YouTuber, you know? But little did they know. They didn't like the porn star. Little did they see what was coming. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah. But I mean, there is part of me that was like, oh, I should have just like 100% focused on the hip-hop shit and then maybe started like another platform for everything outside of that. Like I do think that there's merit to sort of siloing your content off and kind of keeping it more formal in that regard. But, you know, I always was just using this as a way for me to talk to everybody that I wanted to talk to even like the first no jumper episode is with this guy, Ryan Dennehy, who's just like a entrepreneur. business dude who had like you know a couple of different online startups yeah it was just like you know it was I was just interested to talk to the guy for an hour so I did it you know and then as time and but really it all started to change in 2016 though when people started to be more conscious of like the sound cloud rap movement and then I interviewed xxxxentacian and it was kind of a regular interview at

first and then all of a sudden he's blowing the fuck up and that hits like a million views and then all of a sudden, like, you know, he's gigantic. He's got Kylie Jenner playing his music on her fucking Snapchat story and shit like that. And then all of a sudden, somebody kills him. Right. And it's like that, that even more extreme made me realize like, oh, this is like really important work. Some of these people I interview are going to become pivotal figures in the culture and die. And then there is something that happens when somebody dies where it's like the world's just not going to hear anything else from them.

So it's just, this is like, like your interviews feel kind of important and then someone dies and then they feel so important because this is going to be like a blueprint for their fucking kids to understand them, for their families to sit around and reflect on them. And I saw that. Like if you zoom out and look at the full YouTube analytics for the history of the no jumper channel, the biggest spike is the day X died by far, like two million views from people all over the world saying, I'm either going to mourn this dude by. sitting here and watching this interview, or I'm going to figure out who this dude is for the first time by watching this interview. And all of that was just like pivotal in terms of me understanding how important what I had set up to do was. And now you've become like the gatekeeper almost for this subculture, for this kind of rap. Wouldn't you agree? Not a gatekeeper like the way that MTV was, but like a launching pad. It's a place. Yeah, you know, it's pretty wild. Yeah, it is.

kind of crazy just because like I was you know it's still to this day people are always like how did this guy get into this position and it's like bro I got into this position by just literally waking up every day and thinking how can I advance my position how can I further make my way into this business how can I every day create a piece of content that some people will care about and that's mentality has served me pretty well I guess yeah your mind is constantly like I know that's the first thing I think about I try to meditate now and I try to really like not think in the morning. I try to feel, which I know is hokey in L.A. and metaphysical and gay and she like that. But you try to just feel wealth. I try to just feel how I want to feel when I do

sell this podcast for 125Ms. You know what I mean? As I plan to. Yeah. So it's like, but yeah, it's my mind is just, I'm just always thinking what's next. Yeah. And I'm guarantee you're the same way. And every day you're just kicking the ball down the field. And I remember when I started, Joe Rogan numbers his podcast or whatever. And I think when I started, he might have had two or three hundred or some shit under his belt. And I remember thinking to myself, like, if I do one podcast per week, I'm never going to reach the number of episodes that he does.

And even him, he would do like two or three in a week a lot of times. And a lot of times they're two or three hours long, which at that time, I didn't really do podcasts that long. But I started to realize, like, A, I'm covering way too much shit to do one podcast per week. And B, I just will. like every episode I do I'm going to get better and it's going to every episode I do is networking in a sense. It's like just another thing to show people to say, hey, you should do an interview with me because this dude did an interview with me. And, you know, I just realized that, you know, even right now, it's like I'm covering, even if you just do rap, it's like I'm covering Chicago, L.A., Texas, the Northwest, you know, New York, Florida, fucking Louisiana area, New Orleans, etc.

there's just like even just in america there's there's 10 plus relevant hip hop cities so you know even if there's only one rapper every couple months that blows up not to mention the older rappers who maybe have interesting stories to tell not to mention like there's just so many different things that come my way and i'm just not really trying to say no to them and i'm just like a workaholic like i come from i didn't even mention this but like i played online poker for like three years straight. After the credit card fraud, that was like what I was doing while I was also working on the BMX website. And online poker, if it taught me anything, is like, you need to be able to put in the hours. Because if you're going to play online tournaments, it's like you might

enter a tournament and be sitting there for 12 hours to win it. So for me, it's like if I can do three, four, five interviews in a day, that's like the best day ever. That's like, I just did a week's worth of content in a day. If I want to drop one a day, you know, so it's like for me, that just, like that's an easy decision for me like even today i'm doing this then i got to go do two more then i'm gonna wake up tomorrow do three more yeah wednesday three more it's like i love that though it's a good week yeah yeah and i wish it was four or five a day wow because i can do it you know and it's like i don't know how long i'm gonna be able to do it but yeah you feel like your energies uh draining a little bit as you reach your 40s and you got a kid and a wife in a way and just you know it's easy to like

want more balance because, you know, you're successful. You don't have to do this. Sometimes a lot of these interviews might not even get 100,000 views. Maybe the interview makes 1,000 books. Maybe it makes 500 books, but it still feels important for me. Like, even if it doesn't do some significant number of views, it's like it's still exciting for me. So sometimes I need to like recheck myself of like, fuck, am I putting too much effort

into things that are not moving the business along? I don't know. So you're really not. one of these guys online that is just doing a certain type of content because there's an audience there. Like you really care about it. Yeah, yeah. And I mean, I think no jumbra as a brand as a business, it's like if underground rap and rap in general is our niche, then I just want to keep getting deeper and deeper into it. Now, I mean, you know, rap is not quite as huge as it was in 2017.

You know, it's kind of scaled back a little bit. You could even see that in the percentage of the charts. that is occupied by rap. But yeah, I mean, to me... People say country is the new rap, which sickens me to my core. Yeah, I have a lot of doubts about how likely that actually is. But, you know, it's like, I would like to interview some country dudes, I guess. Sure, if I find interesting narratives around that, I'm cool with the music.

I like it a little bit. You know, it's all right. But for me, it's like hip-hop is kind of like always what I've been excited about in life pretty much. So I'm glad that I've hated country. music from the beginning and it hasn't changed. Really? Yeah. I don't hate it. I hated it when I was younger. But like, it's okay. I'm glad there's a market for it.

I understand it. You know, the ICE tea said that back in the 80s. He's like, the closest thing to hip hop is country because they're talking about what they come from and language that they people can understand. And you're like, wow, that's, that is poignant. Yeah. But I just, yeah, I just, it's, it's like nails on a chalkboard for me. And it's like, country is big in the sense that there's like big country. artists, but I don't know that they necessarily have this like extremely passionate fan base of people who want to watch interviews with like the guy who shot Garth Brooks.

Right. If there is a guy, you know, it's like, I just don't know if one day there will be. I feel like there's not a DJ academics of country music. I might be wrong, but I feel like the fan base interacts with it in a different way. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's more broad. Yeah. Like it's, it's just, yeah, it's a little dumb.

and it's easy for people to be casual fans. Exactly. Whereas in hip hop, yeah, you have dedicated hip hop nerds. So what to you, like, gang culture now is so tied in with a lot of these local rappers. Like, how do you see that? Like, when you say Chicago, like, you interview these Chicago rappers. Like, you can't understand them without understanding the gang culture. Could you go into that?

especially somewhere like Chicago and I guess LA is like the same way is just the gang that you're associated with is usually determined by where you're from especially in Chicago more so than in LA. In LA it's acceptable to be like, yeah, I'm from here. But then I chose to be from here. Whereas in Chicago, it's like if you're from O Block, you're from O Block and you're probably not going to be from somewhere else, you know. And it completely dictates like who you're cool with, who you have issues with,

where you can go, who you can be around, who you can do music with. And it's just, it's like, if you were to try to ignore the gang shit and do interviews of Chicago rappers, you would just be shooting in the dark. Because a lot of these guys, that's like the whole narrative, especially because like dudes will quite often, like their first big song or like most of their music will be dissing various people. And I, you know, I used to do interviews with Chicago rappers, even in the early days, 2016 and 2017, when I didn't really understand anything about who they were beefing with.

but it doesn't really, in order to do an in-depth interview, you really need to be able to understand who their villains are. And I think I'm capable of doing interviews without bringing up that kind of stuff, but I also feel like it's a disservice to the fans. Like the fans have questions that are burning in their minds as well. And if you can, you know, if you can ask the questions that are really going to, you know, open them up or like really get them to speak on shit, that's going to be way more valuable.

And you also have to balance that with like, you know, you don't want to ask anybody anything. that's going to get them in trouble. But, you know, my thing is like, if you have argued with this guy on Instagram live or if you have written songs in which you say you want to kill this guy, I feel like you could probably do an interview talking about it as well. Sure. I don't think that, like, it's that out of line for me to want to ask questions about shit that you've blatantly put out there.

And also all the time, I'll do interviews with people who are very, you know, unwilling to engage in any kind of street talk. And I respect that. It doesn't necessarily make for the best interviews sometimes, but I respect it. So because older people or people like us, like I'm more of a casual rap fan now as I've gotten older. I haven't really kept up with like underground rap. I thought all the gang bang.

I thought all that shit went out after the 90s. It's like actually more violent than ever. Like rappers get killed way more now than they did back in the day. And I'm shocked just getting to know you that rap. rappers beef, like, geography-wise. Oh, yeah. Like, it used to be East Coast and West Coast, and now it's South Side of Chicago versus west side of Chicago.

Yeah. Can you go into that? It's even, like, way more in depth than that in the sense of, like, you know, people like to come up with sort of like umbrella gang shit to, like, simplify stuff, you know, like, if you were to talk about L.A. It's Bloods versus Crips. But in reality, a lot of the Crips, like, I can't remember the last time I interviewed a Crip where we were talking about the Bloods that they were at war with.

Right. You know, that's almost like different races in prison where like a lot of times they just don't interact interact as much. It's a lot more like close to home a lot of times. But, you know, even in Chicago, it's like the gangster disciples and the black disciples. But that doesn't explain everything because there's tons of gangs who are outside of that shit who have issues with each other. Right. You know, it's it's very tricky to figure it out from time to time. But there exists a whole ecosystem of different documentaries.

Like if I'm talking to a rapper and he mentioned. that his hood beeps with another hood. A lot of times I won't even like really try to get him to explain it. I'll just go home and Google it and like watch a 20 minute YouTube video that somebody made breaking down the politics of that. But at the same time, it's so complicated that non-participants like myself can't even really be expected to understand every last nuance of it. Have you interviewed anyone besides Triple X that later ended up getting killed? Oh, yeah. Many, many, many dozens of people for sure.

Really? dozens. tons yeah what the fuck so are they gang members first or rappers some for sure are it's gang oriented somebody like x he just went to the fucking the motorcycle place he was trying to buy a motorcycle he had like 40 grand in a louis bag and some dudes saw him and basically like realized the scenario and ran down on him he didn't want to give it up right away they killed him oh that was on camera right yeah yeah didn't that where was that florida yeah because i think they arrest of those guys and they hit them with like a some kind of crazy Rico yeah they went down for sure I

think they all got like 20 years or some shit one of the guys DMs me from prison wow I basically talking shit he talks shit about exes baby mama too and his kid insane very heinous behavior not what I would think that somebody who just got locked up for 20 years of beginning right you think you'd reflect a little bit yeah or like feel bad about the kid that's growing up without his dad but instead he's like on a phone in prison talking shit I guess I don't know yeah I just don't even want. I expect that many, just like my show, you have many viewers behind the wall. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. You find out about that many times over the years. Yeah. But I mean, really, like, I mean, there's countless people that I've basically been like their last interview before

they got murdered. That's crazy. Draco the ruler from out here, FBG Cash from Chicago, etc. Like, you know, that's always a weird one because like, you know, nowadays, the artist will do dozens of interviews throughout their career. And it's like there'll always be like one that kind of gets the algorithmic push from, you know, people who are going to look for a conversation. I think the audience a lot of times wants to see like their last podcast. Do you think these people that got smoked, do you think their enemies saw these interviews and use them as impetus at all?

Like do you ever feel like guilt or some kind of like responsibility after they get killed? I mean, usually I don't really feel good because they could say whatever they want in the interview and usually have i ever felt like they got killed because of something they said in the interview not really but sometimes the stuff they say in the interview will kind of amplify shit you know like my boy i was really close friends with this dude drago the ruler who got killed and in the interview he was taking multiple shots at different people who were probably associated with the people that killed him and i'm sitting there not even understanding the fucking jokes he's because he's doing like

some deeply coded references where he's talking shit about different people, but I don't really understand what he's saying. And then that shit comes out after the fact and people try to put the narrative together, like look at how Adam was basically like baiting him and playing dumb for him to be dissing these guys. And I'm like, I wasn't playing dumb. I really was dumb. I really didn't understand what the fuck he was saying. But although now, if I were to do the same interview when somebody were to make the same

inside jokes and references, I would get it right away. He was the guy that was on the song with Migos, right? right? Draco? Yeah. Bad and bougie or something? No, that's a little Uzivert. Oh, okay.

He was, um, he did songs. Just what they call a gun. Yeah, well, Soldier Boy also goes by big Draco. Okay. Which was basically him just copying Drakeo the ruler, but you know,

yeah, it's all over the place. Do you feel, ever feel, I can't imagine, but do you ever feel like you got to watch your own back? A little bit.

Uh-huh. Yeah. But for the most part, it's like, when I look at hip-hop history, how many members of the media have got even beat up, never mind killed. It's very, very rare, you know. Because they need your platform. The people that are beefing need your platform. The people that want information need your

platform. They need you alive. I mean, I could tell you how I could get killed this month. You got a diss specific gangs, dis dead people. And, you know, if you really wanted to insure it, you could diss like their moms or their girls and shit like that. But I don't really do any of that. like I'm pretty good at interviewing all these people from different places and having them understand it. You know, I can honestly say right now that I don't think that there's really like anybody gang related that I could run into that would think that it was a good idea to kill me.

I just don't think I've like upset people to such an extent. Now, beat my ass. Okay, maybe that. Because it's like realistically the language of like, I have a problem with you, so I'm going to kill you, is usually reserved for other people who are on that same type of timing. So a gang member will kill another gang member, but they have to, really, because otherwise, like, if you just whoop his ass, well, number one, he probably has a gun on him. But if you whip his ass, he's coming back to kill you. So it's like, you know, there's definitely people that I don't want to see, but I feel like they're not going to shoot me in the head.

They're going to fucking whip my ass. What are your parents? If I'm moving sloppy. Yeah, right, right. Exactly. We had six flags. I mean, it's wild. Do you ever get run out?

Have you ever been run up on in public? Not now. Not like, not really. Your mom, this lovely librarian from New Hampshire, live, live free or die. Does she, what does she think about all this? She doesn't know about the vast majority of it. Like for sure, she doesn't like know that I talk to so many gang members on camera or whatever. I just wouldn't really bother her with those details.

She knows about the porn. shit, but we don't talk about it. Yeah, I mean, to her, it seems like I've got a nice little hip hop music business going on, which is true. You know, it's like besides the details of all the street people, but she knows I'm not doing anything illegal. She knows that I seem like I have a pretty good life. She sees me hanging on my wife and kids.

So she's not stressed. Yeah, she's watching NPR, just like all of whom her moms are. I mean, with no jumper, you could easily focus in on the dangerous shit or you could just focus on the other stuff. Like my dad got to meet Lamar Odom because I interviewed him. My dad came in. He's a huge basketball fan. Came in.

Got to have a conversation with him. That was pretty cool for him. Probably not like my dad doesn't know like what a Hoover is. Yeah. What a rolling 60s is. Yeah. When did you meet Lena and when did the porn stuff? When did that light bulb switch?

Because when I already knew about you when that came out. And I remember specifically thinking, okay, I'm not. going to because I think you were putting clips on to like at the beginning you were putting clips on like porn hub and shit like that right I was like okay I might meet Adam someday so I'm not going to jerk off to this guy because it's just going to be weird if I meet him face to face right so I just want you to no homo no never seen it by all means if you want to go right ahead uh but I met her like 2016 like right around the time I interviewed X and uh we kind of just hit it off right away but took a few months for us to like really start seeing each other and

more of a serious way. Was she already doing adult stuff? No. The first time I hung out with her, she said, do you think I should start a private Snapchat, which is basically the precursor to OnlyFans? I said, what is that?

I didn't understand. She's like, oh, people will pay me five, 10 bucks a month to be able to, like, see naked pictures of me. And my response was, nobody's going to do that. What are you thinking? Wow.

People have Pornhub. They have, this is way before the OnlyFans era. So I'm like, nobody's going to do that. That's like a crazy idea. But she, she had like 50k on Instagram from like posting some booty pictures and shit like that you know like little light shit and uh but she she started to do it i told her i'm like what i want to do is i want to turn you into a YouTuber so i basically managed like you know setting up the cameras and coaching her on what to talk about and everything like that in retrospect you would much rather be the only fans manager than the YouTube manager she never really made any significant amount of money off YouTube but she did get a ton of you know we went super viral like early on

because I think she said, you know, I want to do this like marketing campaign where I basically say that I'm going to do a sex tape when I hit a million subscribers. That sounds kind of generic by today's standards, but at the time was just fucking monstrous. We were on every website about that shit. And, you know, it just kind of went from there. And at first it was like, we're going out and we're drinking. We're getting fucked up. And we're like filming these little clips of us like hooking up with random girls that were

hanging out with or whatever. And as time went by, it became more. like she's asking me like can you do uh 2 p.m on Tuesday to fuck me and so and so and I'm like okay yeah like I don't mind that's okay so that's fun to me now she's fully in the porn world yeah because she thought that she was like she wanted to quit her job she had like a shitty ass job making like 10 12 bucks an hour or something doing she was like a making tortillas no close she was like an assistant at a fucking social media startup some bullshit at the time okay getting paid like jack shit yeah she starts this uh private snapchat thing and i think she did 30k

in her first week so that was yeah eye opening sure for sure that's an aha moment for sure i should have said okay actually i want to manage your own fans and i need 20% yeah that's ironic because you usually see the future you see what's coming on on in the world of technology you didn't see the snapchat possibility in retrospect no jumper kind of fucked that up for me because if i had just been a BMX rider. Well, I wouldn't have met her in the first place if I had just been a BMX rider. But my motion with no jumper at the time was so intense that I wasn't open-minded enough to realize that there was an oncoming revolution in the porn world. Right. Subscription based. Yeah. If I had been able to like seize that in 2016, who knows what I would have been able to do. Now granted,

we started Pluck Talk like four years later. So it's not that much later. But yeah, like that just changed everything. Well, we grew up in the world, the era where the porn you found, you either found porn or later you you didn't pay for it it's completely free on the internet like paying for porn mate you were like a pedophile or a fucking simp or something like that possible yeah why would anyone ever do that out of your mind but also like that is not true as well because reality is is that all these sites like browsers and all that shit they do have tons and tons probably hundreds of thousands of like subscribers paying them sure 10 bucks or 20 books a month and shit wow yeah they're huge still yeah so so now she's getting into did she was she ever contract

or was she fully independent? Always pretty much independent because it's like, what does a porn company like really have to offer you? You know, they're paying girls like a thousand bucks a scene and shit. Yeah. And it's like even if you do, you know,

I know girls will like do their first anal and get 10 grand. Meanwhile, her first year doing only fans, she's bringing in multiple hundreds of thousands per month. You know, she's had like insane month. She's like, she's pretty much had like the biggest only fans video.

The biggest only fans video. biggest only fans video of all time you know was that the one with jason yeah but that was free too wasn't it well for many people like you who just watched it on twitter probably yeah right right she charged like 15 bucks or whatever it was at the time and is there like profit sharing if you don't mind pulling the curtain back to the industry because it's fascinating is there like profit sharing with jason or no it's i mean in theory that would be possible but the way most of these girls work is like content trade so if if a girl says hey johnny let's shoot a scene you both have only fans you both get tagged you get to sell it and she gets to sell it.

Now, that in itself is kind of unfair because it's like reality is that girls just get way more money spent on them than dudes. So, but like, yeah, like, you know, when she did the scene with Jason, it was just like, hey, this will be content trade. That's it. No, like, I'm going to give you X amount of dollars. Now, that kind of situation could happen

if it made sense, but for the most part, it doesn't. Did you expect like the trolling because I remember when that happened, like, you know, everybody was calling, not everybody, like the internet was calling you a cuck. Did you expect all that? I mean, I'm sure you did. I expected some extent,

but I just definitely didn't realize that the whole world would stop and that this would become like the biggest story. Like probably the most viral thing we've ever been attached to. I know on a personal level, I think I gained like 200,000 Twitter followers just to put it in perspective, you know,

and definitely felt compensated financially. just by the attention. But then at the same time, like, yeah, I mean, I knew it would be viral, but I kind of thought it was like viral in my world and didn't realize that it was going to be viral in the whole world. Yeah, I was seeing like videos that started off with Adam with you and it was like black and white.

Like the downfall of Adam 22. Yeah, yeah. And then that opens the gateway for it to be like, okay, this guy is now worthy of an hour long YouTube documentary, talking shit about him, slash like documenting his whole life whatever i'd never really like had too much of that prior to that well that means there's industry around it though like you're clickbaitable enough the way that like there's a whole industry within the comedy world of dedicated to just shitting on bert Kreischer

tom sagura sometimes joe rogan and like maybe uh once in a while some other comedians but it's mostly bert and tom and like there's like real money made just by how clickbait and how much hate there is around those comedians. And like they're so excited when they have somebody to tear down. You know, if you fuck up at all, like, you know, I interviewed David Lucas a few months ago. And now there's like a YouTube video criticizing his special that has more views than his special. Right. Oh yeah. David's under fire now. David's the new. And it's kind of on him because he's kind of now got to figure out like, am I going to be able to survive this, you know, firestorm? Right. And really the only thing that's going to save him is just being good.

his craft. Better than he's probably been in the past. You know, if he puts out amazing shit, then they're going to have to accept like, oh, shit, he's here to stay. Which is kind of how I've always looked at it. Like, no matter how under fire I am, it's just like, well, the work will speak for itself and showing people that you don't give a shit will speak for itself. And being, you know, confident and, you know, just not letting people stop you is always going to be like the thing that basically, I'm kind of at the point now where I've gone through so many controversies that it's almost hard to imagine any of them really like taking hold aside from like you look at a ditty thing and it's like okay there's a criminal case that's when things start to change

did it that affect your what happened with the the jason love lena video did that affect you your mental health like did that bother you no i mean i'm not gonna lie like it fucked with me for a little bit just because it's like kind of a weird feeling because it's like there's people that you fucked with for a long time and all of a sudden they can't resist the desire to like basically use you as a punching bag for their own content. So for sure, it'll make you like look at people differently. For me on like a sexual level or like a relationship level, it definitely didn't impact our relationship. Like we just have like a very real relationship and it was obvious to her and I that that was hijinks, that that was like a viral marketing plan. Yeah. But the problem is is that it was like too

successful. So like now even to this day, people that I'm friends with like WAC 100 who I do a podcast with who feels the need to still bring up this sex tape like in almost every episode will like basically try to use it against me as if this is like an indicator of some sort of failing when in reality this is like one of my greatest triumphs as a marketer. Right. That I was willing to go through with something so insane helped think up something so insane and that we then profited massively so from it. And it's like, but it's like still to other people, it's incomprehensible that you could be okay with seeing your wife have sex with someone else, even though to me as a fucking freakazoid slash like a marketer, a pornographer, it's not such a

big stretch to me, you know? Well, in the black community, especially old school black guys, that is a no, no. That's like completely taboo. I think my black comedian friend just said that black cucking, is now starting to emerge like black guys jacking off to watching their wives get fucked or whatever did he that's like one of his many sure well it's all spilling out now yeah but it was suppressed within that community for sure so what i saw all that coming down i'm like knowing your fan base i'm like oh i'm not surprised at all and it's hard to explain it to people too because people like want you to either be like a real deal like enthusiastic cuck or they want you to be like a hundred percent not into it and i'm only doing it for money

And for me, it's more like, I'm kind of indifferent. Like, I've fucked my girl with other dudes before. And it's not like, it's not like, I don't feel like I have some crazy fetish for it. But it's not like the worst day at the office either. Like, it's still kind of fun to me. But as like a pornographer, that's when it actually makes sense because you're making money off it. Like, I know a lot of people who will go to like the kinky rabbit and all these sex clubs and shit. And that's a fun Friday night for them is to like take Molly and go to this like sex club.

and at some point you end up watching some guy, fuck your girl. And that's like, that's a good Friday night. I never did all that. I'm kind of intrigued. Like, but at the same time, like,

from my perspective, it's like, well, if we are going to do that, we're probably just going to do it on camera and make a bunch of money out of it. Right? Why would I,

you know? And also it's like porn spoils you because it's important, everybody's tested. Yeah. I can't imagine going into an environment where you'd be like meeting somebody for the first time and doing something with them sexually.

And you got to wear a rubber. And that's just, that's beyond me. Now we're talking devil worship. I'm not playing that. No. No, no, no, no, no. Wow.

So obviously, like, you've got this, like, really, you've got this, in many ways, very normal life. You know, you live in the hills. You got this lovely family. You're raising your kid right. Like, you're good parents, you're good people. What are you worried about when your daughter gets old enough to understand? And that comes out about what mommy and daddy did. I'm sure you'll be out of the game by then, but like, do you think about that?

A little bit. I'm like, I'm not personally ashamed or worried about anything that I've done. It's more just like, oh, fuck, like, how will the world at some point, like, use this against my kid who's basically like an innocent participant in my life, you know? So, I mean, around that time is when we stop posting her online and we have no plans to ever, like, post photos of her or whatever. But at the same time, you know, a celebrity invite. me on Saturday, upcoming Saturday, invited us to go to this little birthday party or whatever. And she has like a kid my age. And I'm just thinking like, fuck.

Like if I bring my kid to that thing, it's going to be, there's going to be pictures of my kid that end up getting on somebody's Instagram story or whatever. And that's kind of like, you know, you realize like pretty early on like, oh, if I ever bring my kid to a music festival or any kind of event or whatever that they're going to, her, her photos will emerge but well i meant kind of her relationship it how she views her parents oh yeah i mean to me it's like i don't know it's like i feel like you just normalize what you grew up around so it's like at some point i know this is also part of it too is that i just know so many people who are in the porn industry who have like extremely normal family lives and their kids know

and they don't really care that their dad's out there serving dick for a living or whatever So it's like, I don't know. I just don't worry about it. Like, for me, it's like, it's like, you know, my dad, my dad went to federal prison. That was tough for me. Right. So, like, that, that to me is, like, more real,

whereas it's like, oh, you find out at some point that your parents were kind of freaky, sexual. Yeah. I mean, to me, it's just nothing. Yeah. So it's kind of hard for me to, like, wrap my head around how it might be something in the future. Well, certainly growing up in L.A.

That can, you can manage to live a normal life when you're, you grow up. here in this environment where that's semi acceptable, right? It's not like, you know, being porn stars in fucking Cleveland, Ohio. Yeah. But I guess just like I think porn probably is bad for people's brains watching it. So it's like I, my own, the reason I asked that question is because I was like, okay, well, if I did that was raising a child and they found out what I did, I wouldn't want my child replicating it. You know, your daughter replicating it or watching it, like getting hooked on it.

Like it, for me, it's affected relationships. It's like ruined some of my relationships, I would say. Really? See, I feel like I have kind of like an oblivious perspective on porn because I've always had a purely healthy relationship with it. Like, I've always looked at jerking off as this is how I'm going to steal myself for the day and make it so that I have no interest in sex and I'm able to focus on my job and not think about sex, you know? Yeah. But I mean, I think porn is comparable to drugs in the sense that like a lot of people can. drink consistently for 40 years out of their life and it doesn't really have any serious

effect on them. And then on the other hand, some people, alcohol will ruin their lives. So yeah, I mean, you definitely like need to teach them to have a healthy perspective on sex. And it might make that, I mean, the weird part about it is just that like we're all so deeply uncomfortable with the idea of our parents having sex in the first place. Yeah, exactly. The fact that like at some point your kid will find out that not only did their parents have sex, but there's some sort of record of it online. But I mean, part of it, too, though, is just that, like,

my kid will have so many, like, examples of porn stars being normal people. And for, like, you know, the fact that Riley Reid is just, like, her friend that Riley Reed's kids hang out with my kids. And they just kick it. And it's normal shit. And at some point, she'll realize, like, oh, the reason why Riley Reed has the giant house is because she's a famous porn star. I don't know. I mean, like, you kind of hope that like by going to a really nice private school that they will not be surrounded by the types of kids who have the types of parents who would instruct their, or who would say shitty things around their kid or whatever.

But ultimately, like, I blame the world, not myself. You know, I'm comfortable with my decisions and my wife's decisions and I believe that we go about our content in a respectable manner. Will she at some point have to deal with people who have a less evolved perspective on it? you know, probably, but we'll figure it out. Look, and you can't pay too much attention to kids. George Carlin said it best. This country cares way too much about children. Like, people are born into the world without a choice. Like, we're all born.

We didn't ask to be here. So you kind of just, you got to get a deal with what your parents give you. And I think hopefully, you know, most of us rebel against what we grew up with. I think that's just kind of natural. So she'll probably grow up to be like, a prude. You should probably grow up to have a maybe, maybe be,

you know, a square. Yeah. I don't know. Would you be sick? Yeah. No, that would be great.

I don't really like worry about it honestly. Because like I see, you know, I lived like a poor existence for a long time. And now I see what it's like when you're torn the private schools and you're realizing like, oh, this is what it's going to be like for your kid to go to school with people where your dad

being an NBA player is just normal. Mm-hmm. You know, I just like see how different my kids upbringing is going to be compared to people that I know who make less money. Yeah. And it honestly seems really fucked up from my perspective. Like America just has like a caste system that is kind of invisible to you until you like start to go through the schooling process and shit. And so I would way rather have my kid grow up in the environment that she's exposed to now than if I had, you know, not done porn and had like a more. Meager existence.

In other words, yeah, the benefits of the economic rewards. And yeah, she can go to therapy, right? If she's got some issues. But it outweighs the trauma of poverty. Yeah, sure. I mean, I would definitely accept the upbringing that she has now over if I could rewind the clock and start my life over 10 years ago and not do porn. For sure, I would still do it.

Like, I just don't even think it's that big a deal. And I also am like aware that she will become an adult. like 15 years from now at a time where your mom used to have a only fans is just like nothing nothing like probably pretty close to nothing now granted we've done a lot more than the average person does on only fans but I don't know and you guys won't be doing it 15 years from now I don't assume probably not yeah if I'm doing porn at 56 then I probably did something wrong slash I'm just freaky enough that I just wanted to keep doing porn yeah yeah maybe you just make that for yourselves you know yeah uh what's next man

shit i'm uh well i'm a rapper now i don't know if you know about that oh yeah you told me that i decided to be a rapper how did that video do didn't you say you had a music video drop it oh so we did this big cipher that we put out that has like a quarter million views or something so that was solid but i have another song that i'm shooting with his other rapper uh big sad from playboy gangster crib he for some reason was a fan of what i did on that track hit me up i went in the studio with him we did a song we're shooting the video wednesday night so when that comes out i I guess I'll have a little bit more information in terms of like how interested people are in me rapping. So I'm looking forward to that.

Well, we're going to watch it one way or the other. Yeah, yeah. Either to shit on you or be fans. I mean, it's kind of just like an experiment of like, oh, can I as a 40 year old white guy, can I be like just funny on these songs and people will actually listen to it? I don't know. But I like going through the process of having to do all these things that the rappers that I interview do. because like for instance when I listen to a beat

already I can think of fucking 10 different ways to rap on it there's like a million different ways to flow on these beats where you could cram a shitload of words in or you could leave a lot of space for the words to breathe and you know it's like even that when I'm interviewing rappers I feel myself having like better conversations with them because I like understand

what they're doing in the studio more and even like the process of like oh I'm gonna get tune core which is like the thing that everybody seems to use to upload their music to claim it on different services and stuff. Now I'm going to know what it's like to log into TuneCore and see my, you know, $10 that I've made today from my music catalog or whatever. I'm like, I'm enjoying all that.

And then we have this like weed strain on some shit is the brand name. It was like a BMX brand for a long ass time. We kind of pulled back on that and we're like pushing it as a weed brand and everything. Where can they get that? Currently, that is a good question. I'll have to get back to you on that. Because it's not really anywhere at the. moment but we've just been working on the streets exactly that there's at least one place you could

get yeah and uh i don't know like just keeping no jumper going and continuing to develop more hosts and figure should i like that it's just like you're kind of constant grind which is weird because it's like you go through this period of your life where you're just growing and growing and you're constantly you do a new interview and you get a ton of new subscribers and you're hype because you know that some of those people are going to watch your content going forward whereas like with no jumper i've doing this for like almost 10 years. So at a certain point, it's kind of like, oh, even the biggest piece of content that I do is not really exposing me to that much of a new audience. Like almost everybody who might want to watch my content already knows about it.

Which is kind of a weird feeling for me as somebody who kind of feels like I always need to be growing my audience or growing the content and shit like that. But you know, diversifying now. Yeah. And once, but once you get into that mentality, it's like, then you need to really love what you're doing. Because if you don't, then what's going to keep you going? Yeah. Then you're on the hamster wheel. Yeah.

Sure. Well, we'll get a few new people over to No Jumper. Certainly, I mean, if you want to see Adam and Lena on, where do they find that? Onlyplugtalk.com is where we do the adult stuff, $5 for your first month. And you can watch all of our episodes, which I believe is like 140 episodes that we've done. And some bad bitches, like the hottest women. You know what I mean? And, yeah.

I would never call your wife. that she's a lovely, that's whyfie. I'm a little bit of a bitch all the time. Especially that's like a big part of the problem with the rap stuff is that, why is your editor looking at pictures of Alex Trebek on the computer right now? What the fuck is that? Is he gooning to Alex Trebek? Are you jacking off?

What is going on? That is a wild thing. Let him rest in peace, man. Wait, is he dead? No, he's dead. He's dead as fuck. Now it's like Ken Starr, I think. Rest and piss.

Wait, what? Ken Starr. Oh, no, that's, ah, that was the Monica Lewinsky guy. I'm sorry. No, no, no. Ken, uh, what's his name? Ken Jennings. Look at young Alex Trebek.

He was a stud, dude. He looks Lebanese there, bro. Yeah, he looks like a 70s only fan star. That mustache for sure, yeah. Dude, I'd run a train with Alex Trebek. A young man train? Yeah. Exactly, dude.

Wow, we just got so distracted by Alex Trebek. That's hilarious. But, um, well, hey, man, thank you for coming by. I know you're busy. So, uh, I'll let you get out of here. But I appreciate you coming down in the can. this man. I really, I'm, I'm inspired in many ways by what you do. So just for my own operation. I see in you like a lot of the same energy. And I think what you're doing is really wise because

you're like you found your own niche that gives you, you know, like an ability to, you're, you're finding characters that are too niche for, you know, Vlad does a lot of similar people to you. But you're a little bit more ground level. You're like working a little bit more, you know, he does get like real celebrities quite often and stuff. So I feel like you're, you know, in a really good spot to be able to kind of like corner a different market. This is our come up. This was our come up. And then we'll grow from here and see where that happens.

You know, see where that leads us, right? With the, you know, down the celebrity route and all that shit. But yeah, we definitely are, we don't want to be just any podcast, you know. And I got that advice a lot in the beginning where when I would start to go outside of the underground rapper thing, I remember when I first interviewed Gary Vee. and I had some people hit me up and be like, bro, your platform is special because you're different. Yeah.

If you interview Gary V, you're just like everybody else. Exactly. But, you know, and I agree with that to a certain extent. But my thing has always been like, if I interview a Gary V, I'm going to interview four Crips to make up for it so that everybody else gets whatever they want. Yeah. One for me, four for you guys. Yeah.

Sometimes we have to just do that for our own curiosity. Exactly. Sometimes it will really be into somebody. It's like we've got to bring them in here. Even if it doesn't fit perfect. with the brand. It's like, we need that. And that's the constant exchange is like, um, okay, you have two choices, I think when you find yourself really like knee deep in a certain niche in the sense of like when I get in the car in the morning, I can fire up some podcast and

listen to some shit about Gaza and some shit about Ukraine and some shit about the debate that happened the other day and all this kind of shit. I could like try to learn about the outside world and learn about shit that'll make me more competent at having conversations with, you know, people who realistically are like my peers outside of the music business or I could listen to all of my competitors and all of the people who are doing interviews that I want to compete with. And you know, it's like you kind of have to find like your happy place. That is away from your day to day, to day grind so that you can sort of like focus more.

So you can, you have to be able to do both. Like I don't want to like, I've gone through periods of time where I got too focused on listening to politics and listening into poker shit because I'm super into poker and listening to all this different stuff. Whereas, you know, if I take my eye off the ball too much in terms of the hip-hop shit, that's all bad. So I feel like, you know, you probably go through a similar thing where it's like, totally. The mafia guy who just did a random viral interview, you might be like, well, I don't fucking want to listen to. I just interviewed three mafia guys and I'm not trying to hear this shit. But, you know, you got to like stay obsessed with the thing that made you successful

in the first place. Stay in the pocket. Okay. Good. Good to know. Yeah, sometimes I just want to talk about Bitcoin. Exactly. And there are people who do well talking about Bitcoin. And it's good to take shots. Yeah. But at the same time, if you take your eye off the ball too much, it could be bad, you know. Okay. I'm back focused.

With the election, you know, I just try to, like, really limit myself to, like, I'm only going to watch this podcast about what's going on with the election or watch this clip. If it seems like it's like big pitcher stuff. Yeah. I'm not going to listen to the podcast that's like, what should Kamala's strategy be in Nebraska? Right. You know? It's like, that's too much.

So for me, for me, my obsession during the election is I want to be in this conversation. So I have to, I have to train myself to not call it by booking agent be like, why don't we have Vecramuswami? Why don't we have this person? You know what I mean? Because those do big views. And I am interested in it, but it's also short lived, right? So the election will be over in a month. Yeah.

So yeah, you're right. You stay within the brand and then, you know, have some dessert every now and then. Yeah. That's the move. Where, where's 22 come from? When I was 15, I made a live journal, which was basically like pre-MySpace. There was just this website called LiveJournal. And everybody in my high school was starting to get it.

And a friend of mine was like, you should make a live journal. And I wrote, I'm choosing a username. And I wrote Adam taken. I wrote Adam two. I was like, that that's weird. I don't want to be the second Adam. So I put another two. That was it.

Me meant to be, dude. I just stuck with it after that because I realized like my last name has 11 letters in it. Man Mason is just like kind of hard for grand Mason. Yeah. Wow. What is the etymology that? Big house in French. Oh shit. That's all I know. Kind of embodies your who you are. A big house. You're a big guy. You've made this kingdom.

I need to get on testosterone and be a bigger house. Dude, should we get on TRT? Everybody's doing it. There's some pluses and some minuses. But I mean, yeah, it seems like a blast. I don't think you need higher testosterone, my man. But they told me my testosterone is a little low. Really? Last time I got my blood work done.

They're like, it's not super low, but it's not great. And when I lift weights and stuff now, I feel like I kind of feel it of like, ah, like I could be. Do you take dick pills when you fuck on for can on camera? I took one ever and it was fun, but I, uh, no. So you could just get a hard on. Yeah, I'll get a hard right now. Wow. Wow.

Okay, hold on. Let me lift my shirt up. Wow. Because my testosterone goes through the roof, but like if I had to fuck on camera, I'd need to be on seven Cialis. Really? Yeah. Just getting injected into my dick. Yeah.

No. But my testosterone is like weirdly high. Really? Yep. Wow. That's got to be fun. Yeah. It's okay.

It's got its drawbacks. I'm like looking at your dick trying to figure out if I can see it. It's called like sex addiction. No, I've done, like I used to, I did some steroids like back in the day when I was like 21. Yeah. And it was extremely fun. You get yoked? I fucking was.

Yeah. This is the best. This is like the best couple months in my life, man. Like just you want to work out all fucking day. You know, you just, you want to fuck like crazy. It's like, it was awesome. But. Yeah.

I don't know. It seems like a bad idea. But then also it's like, well, shit, I am 40. So it's like it's not that out of the ordinary for me to. But I'm scared if I take any kind of artificial testosterone that I'm going to like fuck with what I have going right now, dickwise, which is like I'm one of the only people I think in the porn world who can shoot like multiple times in a day without drugs. So I don't want to fuck that up. Wow. So most people are on drug. They got to be. You know, they don't really talk about it that much. probably because I don't do it. So they don't want to talk about it with me. But I hear about it all the time. The dudes shoot up their dicks with the shit that's like you prick your dick and it makes it hard as fuck for like three, four hours.

And then just the regular dick pills are also very popular from what I could tell you. If you don't have your own line of dick pills, bro, come on. I thought you were the marketing genius. You better put out Adam 22 penis pills. You know, a million people have suggested that to me over the years and I never actually took it serious until this moment. Plug talk penis pills. You can, and I will, but then I got to cut my wife in on it. Oh, fuck that.

Fuck that. 22 dick pills. Yeah. That's right. Damn, dude. She could sell some earth control pills or something. Yeah, dude. No shit.

I hope she stays on that because you're shooting loads. Yeah. No, I got to make a new kid at some point too. You got to have one more? You got one more? At least one more at some point, yeah. So you guys are monogamous outside the porn stuff. The last time we fucked a girl off camera was like pre-pandemic.

Like, so spend like almost five years. Yeah. So that's, that seems like, yeah, pretty much. Yeah. Do you, but the idea of monogamy to you as you become older is, is one that you want? I just, like, can't imagine myself spending almost any time focused on girls just because, like, I got too much shit going on. Yeah. Now, it's like, if it was, like, really simple, like, if I could just have a girl, like, come through and, like, you know, suck my dick real quick, that would be cool.

but I got zero interest in like side chicks and spending time with them and shit like that. Even just having one woman in my life is, it's a lot. It's already enough. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, no, I'm with you there, dude.

That's why I'm trying to find my one, but I just can't, uh, I got old school Catholicism in me. I could never do. I'm still haunted by something fuck me up in Catholic school, bro. I didn't get touched or anything, but like,

yeah, my buddy brought this up the other day, walked by the church that I grew up in. He was like, this is the genesis of your deviancy. And so, like, yeah, I would feel like guilty. I would feel like I'm going to hell. I would bring shame on my family. I mean, I already put my family through enough, like going to prison and shit.

So they would, my family would really be upset if they found out I was on, on camera fucking. That's good. Yeah. No, no, everything isn't for everyone. Right. But where are you looking to find your soulmate? Mexico. Oh, what?

Tinder? No. No. I can't be on the apps anymore, bro. Really? Because they find the Instagram and then they look at the content and it's all criminality. And that's not good? No, because it's attracting the wrong kind of girl. You know what I mean? So I like a girl that likes a bad boy, but you're not going to find that on the apps.

You're not going to find a girl who likes bad boys, but also can be a wife on the apps. That makes sense. She's going to be out of her fucking mind. You know what I mean? And I've had that enough. Yeah. Wow. That makes a lot of sense.

I never really thought about that. So it'll happen what happens, but now it's, now it's time to just dial in, you know, and be celibate if need be. Yeah. But, but no porn, no jerking off, none of that. I respect it. It's going to, 50 cents said that. He said he hasn't fucked in 10 years.

50 cents wild. But yeah, he says he's, he's not had sex. He's way ahead. When did he say that? I see him having girlfriends and shit. I got to think that they're fucking. He says he dates and does not have sex with people. Brian, would you mind?

Better. I'm looking that up. Better man than me. Yeah. For sure. That's crazy. Yeah. He was the first rapper to like, of those New York class of guys to not drink, to not smoke.

That's true. He definitely doesn't drink a smoke. Yeah. He definitely doesn't drink smoke. Yeah. So he's always like been ahead, you know, he's kind of been more evolved than his peers. I'm not suggesting I would do that. But yeah, I believe.

Practicing abstinence for the year. Oh, he's practicing absence for the year. Okay. I don't know where I saw 10 years. I feel like 50. sense not going 10 years without fucking i could see him like having a hard long stoic year right right that makes sense to me right there's also like weird stories about speak up him like looking at himself in the mirror and stuff like that like women have said when they slept with them i mean he

yeah he has been associated with like very few women really like you hear about him having girlfriends and stuff but from very early on he was in a relationship with vivica a fox as soon as he popped off and she wanted to do a magazine cover with him, like, which is normal relationship stuff for celebrities at the time. Yeah. And he's just like,

oh, you're a cloud chaser and goodbye. Wow. Ends the relationship. And I remember just thinking like, bro, you have a lot to gain right now by being in a relationship with her.

But I think he knew it was fake. So he didn't want anything to do with it. From my perspective, it's like, yeah, it's fake probably, but it gives a fuck, you know,

you're going to become a bigger celebrity if you're a, like, and that's why I'm so lucky to be in a relationship for my whole time being famous. think because, bro, I would be doing way too much viral shit with my dick. Like, not even porn, but I'd just be dating like random fucking girls.

They were like the craziest chick on earth, the most viral chick on. I'm glad I don't have to like balance that because I would have fucked my name up in the dating pool in L.A. So bad by. And when you started doing around that same time is when the Me Too movement started to come down. So, I mean, innocent dudes were getting caught up in the drag net, you know? For sure. So yeah, you got out of the game at the right time. Yeah. Very true. I wonder if I'll ever end up back in it. Who knows?

No, I hope not, man, dude. I'm fucking, I'm an old-fashioned romantic. Yeah. You got to be, you got to be married until you die, dude. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, trust me. These next 20 years, we're both about 40, you're a little post-40. Think about these next 20. That's what I was thinking about the other night. I was getting high, just alone on the beach. I'm like, this next 20 years is it. That's what's going to define us, the wealth, the name, right? Yeah. And so like that's going to go so fast. So after 60 it's like you just want your fucking best friend there. You just want to be on your veranda overlooking the water and you don't want no problems.

No, 100%. And I mean, yeah, I think about that all the time. It's like, damn, I got successful. Like I'm 40, but like 40 sounds like such an old man to me. I'm 41. Almost 41. It's just like I feel like I'm almost dead. So it feels like I'm, it just feels like I'm like.

so late in the game at 40 in particular because so much of the content that I do and shit is kind of geared towards younger people, especially with the rap shit and everything. So it's kind of, I don't know, it's like a weird thing. I feel like I'm just getting going. I mean, I feel tired, but I've always felt tired. I've always had this sluggishness. But like, yeah, I feel like it's just starting. Yeah. That's the other way to look at it too. It's like, I'm just getting going now. Yeah. And then another part of me is like, you're 40. Like you're 41? That's fucking very late stage, you know, in hip hop. Yeah.

By the time you get to 50, almost everybody has aged out of their space in the media world. Yes. Right. But what we, what the blessing, the beauty of the new world is that you can transition into something different that is more conducive to your age. Yeah. Podcasting is one of them. Yeah.

Or whatever it's going to be, maybe when you're 50, it's something else. Yeah. Definitely. So. For sure. All right. Thanks for coming through, man. Johnny, my man.

Appreciate you. Adam 22. Check him out. Yeah. Thank you so much. Appreciate it.