The Connect- with Johnny Mitchell - Detroit Drug Kingpin Reveals Becoming BIGGEST Distributor For Mexican Cartels, Truth About Chapo

Episode Date: October 13, 2024

Donald Wayne Tomkins, aka "El Primo," shares his gripping journey from hustling in the slums of Detroit to becoming a key distributor for Mexican cartels. Tomkins talks about his connections with cartel leaders like Mayo Zambada, navigating dangerous betrayals, and surviving high-stakes situations. He also dives into his time in federal prison, his collaboration with the DEA, and exposes untold secrets about El Chapo and the inner workings of the drug trade. Go Support Donald! Book: https://www.amazon.com/EL-PRIMO-BLACK-SINALOA-CARTEL/dp/B0CFZ5F41H YouTube: @OfficialElPrimo1 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Danny is the direct connection to the Chihuahuanah cartel. So he eventually took me over. Sorry, my friends, these guys need to put these bags over your head. The doors fly open and they snatch the bags off. The old man starts to negotiate with me. The old man's a man, my old man. He wanted to send me, I think it was between eight to ten tons a week. Then I started listening to more conversations about the white.

Donald Wayne Tompkins is a former drug kingpin from Detroit, Michigan. He was raised in the slums and started working in crack houses during the boom of the 1980s. He continued working his way up until he eventually got plugged in with Mexican cartels. He was one of the key American distributors for the Juarez cartel and then eventually the Sinaloa cartel. He's been on ranches in Sinaloa with Mayo Zimbada, shared drinks with Chapo, and shaken hands with Mexican five-star generals. He eventually spent a decade in federal prison. He's now an author and a podcaster.

Go check out his book El Primo, the Black Hand of the Sinaloa Cartel. And for a bonus episode with Donald, where he exposes never before told secrets about Chapo, as well as his cooperation with the DEA against Mexican politicians and the Mexican military, go to patreon.com slash the Connect show. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Kingpin Donald Wayne Tompkins, aka El Primo, right here on The Connect with Johnny Mitchell. They sent us like 2,500 pounds. We got rid of that in like three days.

They started sending like about two to three metric tons. The lows basically came to a stop. I'm gonna go to see the Lord. I'm about to cut a deal. We get in a car with Chief. Chiefs slammed on the brakes and grab my leg. They setting you up. Something's gonna come through to take you out.

That's when I see lights behind me, start to flash. And I didn't even think. I just hit it. I was driving like my life depended on. Then I parked the car, popped out, closed the door, and I started running. And he pulls out a burner, shank, it's like six inches. And he passes it to me.

And he goes, here, that's yours. Don't ever leave the cell block without this. He was the reason I made it out of that place alive. Black Bottom is where? Tell us what Black Bottom is. Black Bottom was the area that the blacks moved to when they were migrating from the south up to Detroit for the purpose of getting an opportunity to work for the Big Three, Ford Motor Company, and all that. and has an extensively rich history with, I think, some of your top performers of that era.

You know, Doc Holiday and those types that were there. You had some of your top, like, Cotton Club type things, jazz things. You had black entrepreneurs, your dentists, your doctor's office, and things that sort. And, too, they build, I think it's I-75. I 75 through the middle of it. And just broke all of that up. Detroit's got so much talent out of it, doesn't it? Yeah.

Detroit is becoming a mecca. But I mean, Detroit have always been special to me. You've had a lot of talent. I guess if I can include myself in that. For sure. Oh, no, from artists, from the Barry Gordia era, Motown, to athletes to dope dealers. Exactly. I mean, it's just everything you can.

possibly think of and the crazy thing with you stating that just think back to the time that i don't know if you're familiar with uh chamber brothers i was basically raised by marlow chambers so i got an opportunity to really see how things go under his tutelich and just to to learn and then just to have the reputation that detroit guys have wherever you go in this country you seem like you can always run into detroit people a lot of of times from my era is like different drug guys yeah it seems like Detroit was doing so bad in the 70s and 80s that everybody had to leave the city to get on in other places so almost like a diaspora a Detroit diaspora that's a New York Philly definitely Atlanta the south LA exactly

because uh I mean the lifeblood of the city was the big three and that was the only thing going There was nothing else. Talk about the automakers. They had automakers, yeah. And there was nothing else. And it got to a point that after they got so many of their employees, you know, you're not letting nobody else in. You got your quota. So everybody else, you were screwed.

You know, so how did you survive? You know, and I grew up in the area where there were no money. If you could find bottles on the side of the street, something like that and take the 10 cent and, you know, turn it in and get that. You were doing good. and you might get robbed for that. So how did you survive? You were basically in orphan? Pretty much.

Pretty much. My mother, she passed when I was three. And my father was non-existent for the most part. So who raised you? I was raised by my grandmother and grandfather. And a crazy thing about it, I didn't know that they were my mother, my grandfather and grandmother until I got maybe like six or seven.

I thought they were actually my parents. Well, yeah, because how would you know? Exactly. So it finally came to me one day. The light came on day. Wait a minute. You call her your uncle and your auntie, and that's, you know, so wait a minute, you know. So that's pretty much how I figured it out.

And what year were you born? 72. Okay. Okay. So you were young when Crack first hit. When Crack first hit. You're a teenager. I was like 14.

Okay. I was 14 and, you know, I've never been popular. But there was some girls on the corner that I really liked, man. I mean, everybody liked them. And I'm not going to say their name to embarrass them. But I really liked them. But nobody, you know, was looking at a little old me. Then you had the guy at the time because the city had switched over from heroin to cocaine.

But it was still in the process. So the biggest thing at that time was going was BJ Chambers, Billy Joe Chambers. Billy Joe Chambers. And those are the guys that really started the crack era where it became an epidemic, I guess you could call it. But you still had your Curry boys that were before that, that were dealing in cocaine. Right.

So there was Johnny Curry, right? He was like one of the early African-American kingpins out of Detroit. With cocaine. Because you had other people. You had, I mean, he's probably going to get pissed, but there's a guy named Pelser. And he had a direct contact with, Colombians. Then you had Demetrius Holloway and you had those different guys, you know,

but Pelsa predated the Curries. But then you had the Curries and then after you, the Curries went down, of course you had White Boy Rick. You had Demetri's Holloway and those different individuals that were real heavy in the city. And the Chambers brothers were the first crack kingpins, like the real infamous crowd guys. Because they took a different approach to it. When they came along, they took the approach. approach of more of a franchise where each drop-off, and this was a lieutenant, he would be responsible for opening X amount of, let's say, Wendy's or whatever the case may be, but they were crack spots. So he might have 10 drop-offs because he was much bigger than Larry Chambers,

which was my mentor. But each one of those guys might have 10 crack houses. And he have 10 or 15 of them, each one have 10 crack houses. I mean, you do the math. You got 150. different spots that you serve crack out of. And were they plugged with Colombians or Mexicans? I was so young. I don't know, but I know from my understanding, the curries were plugged with Colombians. From my understanding, the Mexicans came along later when it became hard for the

Colombians to cross workover from, you know, the islands over into Florida and all of that. The Caribbean. So they switched to the Mexican and the Mexican became the middleman and basically brought it up over land instead of water. Gotcha. And tell us about your experience interning, we'll say, under the Larry Chambers. Was he the elder brother of the Chambers Brothers or was he the father? Marlow was the elder brother. And there was a significant age gap between Billy Joe and his twin because he had a twin.

Marlowe was always in a federal prison for Robin Banks. So when I came along, it was a young man that I grew. up on Lakewood with that was a cut up, cut up meaning that once they cooked the crack up, he was set the crack on a table, and there's usually girls that would be cutting it up. They were setting their braw and panties, pretty much, what is that movie?

Yeah, like Nino. Nino. And actually, they got the inspiration from the actual Chamber Brothers. And, I mean, when they wrote it, it was based on that. And that's exactly what happened. I think there's a few Kingpins who would argue about where the New Jack City actually got that trope from. Well, I would love to sit there and have the debate because, I mean, we know Biggie's,

it had to have an effect because Biggie Smalls make Tink Crack Commandments. And that came from Marlowe Chambers. Wow. He had commandments. What they called the commandments, he had a rule. And if you, like, play loud music while you in one of your spots dropping off, that would be a fine. If you didn't drop off before a certain time and got all the money out and a certain amount of time you get fined for that. There was no screwing or cut up girls.

You know, things of that sort. You would get fined for that. You know, there was no screwing each other's girlfriends inside that. You'd get fine for that. And a lot of those rules that he implanted or put forth helped the organization run good. And I took a lot of those rules when I got my organization going. And it really helped. Do you think, so he kind of runs it like the mafia. Oh, exactly. And I think. And I think, think a lot of the black guys actually from Detroit actually learned a lot of their ways by actually being around Cozinostra because Detroit's got a very powerful Sicilian organization. Yeah, before they started moving out because they were also there.

And it actually had a large Jewish anti-talion population that was in Detroit in your 60s and 70s. And then they started to actually move out. Yeah. But I think a lot of the perspectives that we, my generation, was basically from your mob movies. But it wasn't actually having the connection that maybe our uncles or whatever had before us. Because when the 80s came along, you had a different mentality. It was a lot of violence, a lot of violence.

So I think, which I believe I could speak to and I believe I could speak for the homie, Big Meach, that when our generation came along, we were slightly after that. and we knew that that violence was not going to get it. And we knew that as soon as you got the killing and doing that, as we say them people coming. And, you know, they'll pick you up and figure out the charges later. You know, because you had your organizations like the best friends, and you had Clifford Jones and these guys put in at work.

Who were those cops? No, these were killers. Oh. I mean, real cold-blooded killers. and they took out contracts. They come to whatever state can get you. And these guys were, they hunt literally. Oh, big, Clifford, big black Clifford Jones.

Yeah. From the White Boy Rick documentary. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's the boogeyman. And the best friends were right there with that. And they were just as effective. But Cliff, it was Cliff and he had his team.

But the best friends came up under what? They didn't come from upon him. They were already in existence, but they started getting consistent work from Maserati Rick. And that was that whole Maserati Rick, Demetra's Holloway thing there. So now you're 14. What are you doing for Marlowe? How do you meet Marlowe Chambers?

And how does he recruit you? Like I said, I had a buddy. And me and him was really close. And, I mean, he was always fresh. I'm using the words from back in that day. He had the Dita tracks suits. He had the Phila tracks suits. And I had a cousin made a rest in peace name, Howard.

And he grew up around my cousin Howard. My cousin Howard loved guns. And he had him, they playing with a gun one day, and the gun went off. Kid shot itself in the eye. So it messed up, but he lived. But he got a really tight relationship with me. And he started to tell Marlow about me because he was the only cut-up boy out of all the cut-up girls. So Marlowe like adopted him because Marlowe had no kids.

And here's the thing, Marlowe got out of federal prison. His brothers, according to him, took his money and came up here, came up to Detroit and started the whole crack thing. So when he got out, he looked at him from him like, where's my damn money? Right. You know, so they're like, we don't have your money, but we can set you up in business. So that's how Marlowe got set up in the crack business. Oh, interesting. So his younger brothers put him on.

Put him on. Where were they from originally? from Arkansas. Okay. Actually, Bill Clinton, when he did a speech, he referred to them of little boys, little young boys from the country of Arkansas that came up to Detroit, Michigan, and made all this money. But you couldn't say that they didn't put in the hard day's work.

Oh, really? Yeah. So you're giving props. Yeah, he did. He did. I actually in one of his speeches, yeah, and he referred to them. So he brought me around, but you had to earn your bones. So they put you in crack houses.

Yeah. And me, man, listen, those were the lean years. I had nothing, you hear me? So, man, they would put me in abandoned houses and, you know, they'll nail a door up with a little slot. And I go in there. I mean, they gave me a bucket. And, you know, when I had to express myself, naturally, I got on the bucket and tossed it out. And so a real biking, you know.

Third world conditions up there in Detroit, Michigan, man. And listen, man, they could put me anywhere and I would get it. Yeah. And he just really took a liking to that. And then I started to get a reputation of being able to handle myself from, again, my cousin Howard. He would do things like, doesn't know it's going to sound crazy. Like, come on, let's go have a shootout. So I'm like, okay, where's the guns at?

They're right here. So I'm thinking he's talking about fake guns. But no, he had real guns. And he was the first example of Diva. So I'm like, well, listen, I'm not going to go out and have a. shootout with you in the alley. So you're my cousin and you can't go have a shootout with me. Right.

I'm like, well, I guess it wouldn't be that bad. So we go to shooting it out and things of this sort. So not proud of it, but I became familiar with the process. So, I mean, having bullets whistling past my ears, you know, I was kind of, I don't know, kind of used to it, I guess, in a weird way. So that's the reputation that I got. Guys, I'm sure you've heard me talk about Mando whole body deodorant at this point. It was all over podcast that I listened to and I finally decided to give it a try.

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Let's get back into the episode. They ended up with infamous apartment building on the boulevard 1350. 1350 beatouts the address and I mean this place man 20 30,000 and crack

in a day but it got so to the point that nobody would go in it and I mean the people would come so quick the money come through

you push the crack back through you just have to throw the money on the floor then there would be money counters and it just got bad because the police would bust it

and then you know guys run go to the jail with nobody going in. So guess who he picked the go? Pick me. I'll go in there. He's giving me like $200 a day, which for me at the time was a lot of money.

The fortune. Exactly. So I'm in there and I'm selling crack when the police come and bust the dough in. I just run up to the six or seven floor because they would only come up so high. And then a lot of times I jump out the window. Wow. Like from the third floor. Wow.

The gift of you, right? Yeah. And I take off running. I could always get away because I was fast. So he just really took a liking of that. So he was having a problem at the time because one of his drop-offs that he had fired kept coming back robbing the joint. So I was the answer for that. So he put me in there to babysit the drugs.

Right. And then the guy heard I was in there and he wouldn't come no more because he knew, you know, it wouldn't be a simple. Exactly. So from that, he started really. just he would talk to me a lot and whatever you tell like I would catch on to and then I would give him my ideas with different stuff so really he would just sit out and kick it with me about different things that was going on in the organization I tell him what I think and um he just started to really pour into me and he would start to ask me questions okay if this one on that one on how

would you handle it how would you go about it oh I go and I kick everybody ass well no you don't want to do that. Not with your drop-offs. Because of the guys close to you, you kick their ass and you're a threat to them, they're going to turn you in. So you never do that with your core group. And he just started to teach me. And I started to learn and really just pick up on it. And he got to the point where he started just buy me scooters. And they just start just buying me stuff, you know, and then I had a curfew I had to be in because I kept going to jail for driving. license and all kind of stuff.

So he's like, you acting up, you can't go back outside. He ground on me and all that. So it turned into something more than just drugs. He turned into a father figure for me. So that was that process. Wow. Incredible. How long did you work in the shops before you got promoted?

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I guess it's a case to where, I guess we're working on a regularizer. You said, you never want the boss to know your name. But in this case, the boss knew my name. So everything I did when I'm willing to go into these spots that were extremely hot and my name started to ring. So when he had that issue, he brought me. And so to answer your question, maybe I wouldn't even get a year,

maybe about six months because spots were constantly getting bust. So they always had spots that were hot. And my name always came up. to go in them. And then when my name came up to go in them, I never took a loss. Because when the police came, I was good. I don't know how, but I was good at escaping and getting out the house with the drugs. When most guys would say, oh, the police took it all, me, I would always give it back.

Yeah. So he looked at him like, wow, that's rare. You're not going to keep it. You're not going to lie. And, you know, because I always gave it back. So I say maybe six to eight months or somewhere. And that's because BJ knew about me as well, because I was. I started out working with him with my cousin.

So my cousin was known too because he was real crazy. So when they found out I wasn't like him and I could handle a business that really helped. Okay. So what happens next? Marlowe gets busted. But actually, the whole Chambers family pretty much get took down. Okay, yeah. What year was that?

87, 88? That was between, I'm like the worst for days. So maybe between like 87, 89, somewhere in there. And I believe they got life. Yeah, they did. He did. He's actually still locked up. He got natural life because he had already, they think he had already had like three prison stints or whatever for robbing banks and all that.

Yeah. You know, but he put a lot into me because he would always tell me and he told us to stay away from BJ. Because he said, hey, listen, man, those guys are flashy, man. They're flashy. You know, these people are not going to handle that. I mean, the law enforcement is not going to deal with that, man. You flash and you're putting it on their fucking face. And they're filming all their money.

Yeah. And he stayed away from. from that and he kept us away and I was one of his rules if we went around them we would get fine wow and you know BJ never talks about that but he had rules for us to stay away from them because he say man they're going to get busted but it just so happened that I mean he got it as well actually as him speaking when he was filming his 24-carat gold sink that's him talking and then uh the guy money money money re rich god damn it that was his second-in-command jack he hated me but uh you thought I would fit I was spoiled. I probably was.

So now that after they go down, there's all these crack spots throughout the city that are vacant. There's this whole, there's this whole demand and supply that's now dried up. I would say after that point, your concept of selling drugs changed is switched from the crew to the boss. I'm the boss. I'm the man. And it switched basically because of of the laws. Because of your crew, you got RICO, you get all these different laws. So it basically switched. And that's when you, I would say, you had a lot, you had no order. You had a lot of rogue individuals, because if you had an eight ball, you were a boss now. If you had 10 rocks, you were a boss. There was no order. So everybody's decentralized. Everybody's decentralized.

It broke the whole concept of order off because before, if there was a disagreement, The bosses would meet kind of like the mob. They would have an understanding. They said, okay, listen, this is what's going to happen. And that's what you followed. And a lot of that came over from the heroin era. But now it broke up everything, everybody's free agents. And then that's when you start getting more of the government starting to come in and flip guys and starting to gather information, especially in Detroit's.

You had a lot of murders at the time. So really, you had no order. I ended up getting locked up after that. I went to juvenile for, I hate to say it, but two accounts first degree murder, felony firing on. Okay. For how long? That was before they made the law that you could be charged as an adult. Okay.

How old were you? Like 14, 15. And he caught two murders? yeah that's that's we understand it's Detroit these things happen okay um basically if you want just some of the details just real quick um it's unfortunate but our bosses were cowards I mean and they knew we were we were another generation coming up and we came from old school and we could get to it so to speak yeah so it was a particular block Cedar Grove right off a six mile because basically when I got old down six mile.

And they sent us to basically throw everybody off the block because at that point we had control of the block, but they went through a real bad drought at the time. These one guys had work. He didn't. And so they opened up, started doing well. So they sent us up in there, me and my best friend at the time. So the plan was horrible. but we ran up in like three different houses

threw everybody out and my one buddy he loved guns too he had AK-47 and he wanted to shoot the place up before we leave out to leave a message so to speak so he cuts through cut loose and they get them 30-30s just

going through the walls but we didn't know as a guy hiding in the closet in one of those rooms so the bullets went through the wall hit him and made rest in peace. So what the second account of first group murder came from, I don't know. But I end up being charged with that as well with him because I was there in the residence with the gun. As an accessory.

Exactly. Okay. What about why did Marlowe let you or ordered, did he order that? No, Marlowe. Marl was, I mean, Marlowe ordered me to do quite a few things, but never, no, killing nobody. Like back then, there was a lot of, you know, blowing. up people's spots, blowing up cars and all of that, you know. You knew how to do that? You knew how to set off bombs and yeah. Wow. Yeah. So we, but I mean,

that era, I don't know if you've heard of a Bush, Bush Jones, YBI and all of that out of Detroit. And they basically dealt with heroin. You had a young group of guys that were extremely mature because at that time, like I said, you couldn't go to prison. You would just go to jail. They'd call your parents come pick you up. So you had the older guys that were teaching younger guys to do these different crimes. Sure. And tell you, listen, be cool. I'm going to send an attorney down there for you.

You ain't got nothing because you can never get charged. And that was part of what made them change the laws and make them more severe. So after Marlowe's gone, Marlowe had me do certain things, but he was selective because he tried to stay away from violence to a degree because he knew what it was. But once he's gone, I don't have that direction. looking to older guys, and that's when they start taking advantage of you. You know, so that's how that happened. How much time did you do behind those?

I don't think I did over two years. I don't think I did over two years. They did a psychiatric evaluation on me and my buddy, because they wanted to, I think it was a maxi training school at the time. That was something like a kiddie prison where you were locked down. I forget the majority of day and all that. But the psychiatric evaluation that they did for me, it came back that I love to isolate myself.

So it was like, okay. And I guess the psychiatrist said he would love for you to put him in a cell. I don't have to bother him at all because he don't like being around people. And I guess I'm kind of like that. And I don't really like, you know. And so they put me in a boys training school, Boysville of Michigan. And there you can never be alone. You had to always be with three or more at a time.

And which I hated that. and pretty much that's what happened. And they couldn't release me before I turned 18. And I think I was like, so I might have did a little, maybe of almost two, a little over two, two and a half years or something. By the time I went into Boysville, because when I turned 18,

I had, my situation was different because I had to actually have a judge come in, said I don't do minutes and all that to give permission for me to leave. But the thing is, they would not let me come back to Detroit's. They were none of my family. I would have had to go to independent living or either go down to Texas with my father

And so that's what I did I went down to Texas with my father Got down there Went to Alamo Heights High School Start running track playing football And things of that sort Wow incredible You got out of prison for murder

And now you're in high school Yeah Different time Different time Totally different time Wow Okay so you graduated You graduated?

I did not graduate I stayed Well, not down there. Stayed down there for so long. My father's wife did not like me. And I wish I could say that I was a horrible kid, you know, and I brought it on myself, but I can't say that. She wanted her husband all to herself, you know, and I guess she felt that I was in a way.

I mean, there was not much money down there, I would admit, for them. So when I came down, I was an extra mouth, you know. So she wanted me out of there. and they talked to my probation officer and my probation officer eventually agreed to send me back. He didn't when she first started because a lot of the teachers,

the teachers loved me down there. They really got on his ass, man. You know, you're not going to send him back up there. You know what's going to happen to him, do your fucking job type thing. And there was even teachers that even offered to let me move in with them. But basically since I was still on parole

or whatever they call that thing for kids down in Texas, he couldn't allow that. So they had to send me back to Michigan. And then, you know, I started staying with my aunt. I got back in school, played a little football. And then drugs came again. Right.

Because I tried to be cool and not do anything. But Boisville or Michigan, they clothe you when you went in there. But this is like years after, and I still have the clothes from Boysville that I'm still wearing. And they're literally starting to come loose at the scenes. So. You need money. I got a skill set. And it was an opportunity and I started hustling the game.

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We started going up to Meskeek and Michigan and selling crack. And I mean, we would get up there and it was kind of rough, but then I came up with a formula that we're going to sell two for 10 or two for 20 or something, a little gimmick. And we started moving quick. So we would get off the bus early in the morning, going on the strip about later on that day. We'll be back on a glove greyhound taking off and we might have one of a major, about maybe five or something. $6,000 worth of a crack and it will really go really quick. You know, but going back and forth, oh, listen, I'm going to hook you up and buy some clothes and all that.

That never happened. Are you forward thinking? Are you like, do you see that long term, if you want to survive and make real money, you need a wholesale connect to cocaine, to powder cocaine? Or are you still not thinking that grandiose? At that time, nobody,

the dream was of a key of cocaine. Right. The drug dealer's destiny is reaching a key. If you get a key, man, you were a thousand grams. Exactly. So, I mean, this was the dream, but nobody never knew how to get to it. Yeah. Because the unfortunate part, and I mean, shout out to my people.

I love my people. But nobody's going to help you get there because everybody wants you to be a worker bee. So they're going to basically try to suck the life force out of you And turn you into a workhorse and they'd be the one that riding good and all of that while they're trying to keep you down And that was the process Man, if you continue, I'm going to front you this, I'm going to front you that But they put their elbow, foot and wiggle their toes on the damn drugs before you get it It's not jumping back the way it need to

And then they charge you a high price for it and it just was like it was crazy you couldn't survive. Right. But we continued to work, and crack was the only way. You couldn't get off into selling any weight because there was no profit in it. Right. There was no profit into selling weight. There was no profit in it for us for selling weight.

I see. Because you had to have access to it. And then when a crack era started, you used to be able to go to buy people and say, I want a half a key or this or that and powder. It got to the point where a guy would powder would never sell it to you. Right. He wanted to cook it and sell it to you. cooked. Right. And then, you know, where you ounces 23 grams, you know, it turned, well, you only get 25 grams or you only get 24 grams. And they steal four from you. Or you know, you're losing the cookup. Cocaine. You're not supposed to lose. It's supposed to expand. Exactly. You know, but they never told us that. We never seen no powder. Only time I seen powders when I used to watch Marlowe cook it up. Right. But far as I actually seeing them myself, no. Yeah. So there's a ton of crack being sold in the ghettos throughout America and the 80s.

and 90s, but very little bit of profit is staying in the hood. It's going to a couple of people that have these special international relationships. And then the unfortunate thing is even with them, the greed within my opinion, is so gross to the point they didn't want to sell weight. You had some of the biggest guys that will get the shit, cook it, and cut it all in the crack and sell it that way. and sell it that way, put everybody to work, because they wanted to make the most they can make out of it instead of just moving it. Right.

And that's one thing. As I moved along, I started to analyze things and figure out what each crew or whatever needed and how to get in those niches. And I figured that I found out, listen, I'm moving it. I don't want the street money.

I want the cartels money. They got more of it. Sure. but nobody really had that concept in. When did you start to realize that? At what age? That's a good question. Like, when did you learn what a cartel was?

Like, when did you learn that these people that speak Spanish are the ones that have the source material? The crazy thing, Johnny, is I never knew. It's just I ended up in a scenario because after that, going through that, I think I was maybe, how was I? I went through another run selling drugs. My cousin ended up with a lot of it. I think it was coming out of New York or something. And he was putting me on.

I'm moving it. But I'm mostly selling like bricks, half a brick, so on and so forth. But he would never give me powder either. He would cook it up and sell it to people hard. Okay. But there's a lot of people that didn't know how to cook because it got so to the point. Nobody had access to power. that nobody knew how to cook.

Uh-huh. Because everybody was buying it hard. So you had a very select group that knew how to cook, which you would hear later on, that it would be like cooks in the neighborhood that would cook for everybody. Right. You know, and they would get so much of a percentage off or whatever they cook because the art of cooking was lost. Right.

You know. And your cousin was given to you, giving you these large amounts, half keys, whole keys, but already cooked up. Already cooked. And then you just charge a markup to your distributors, to your street. Actually, what I started doing. doing, I switched in. Well, I still had some crack.

I still couldn't let it go. But I had guys that wanted to buy halves and holes, but all hard because they didn't know how to cook. So what I would do, and that's why I, I guess I could say I got the concept because I became valuable to him because I understood that I would help him move his bag and then I could take longer with mine. So whatever I would get, he would let me cut it up and take forever because I was constantly moving his.

So I'll cut mine down and I'll make the most I can make out of it. And I'll be moving half the keys and keys hard for him. He can keep the extra off of that. Plus, still tax me and I tax other people. But you're still just charging a markup. You're not getting powder yet. No, no, no. I'm still just charged the markup.

How the whole powder thing, the whole way of connection that I got landed in my lap. I was not looking for that. I was looking for weed, actually. So I'll fast forward you. I had actually stopped hustling. I stopped hustling because I had a girlfriend. Didn't want me doing it and all that. Like they say, any great movie won't put a damn woman in it, right?

And she wanted me to stop. So I'm broke. She's giving me money, but I'm working jobs. I'll pair back and all of this. So she ends up getting into it, falling out with me, and she wouldn't start dating a guy that was what? Selling drugs. So I call her one day, talking to her, and then and then a nigger gets up.

talking crazy. And he gets on the phone and start talking, you a bum, you ain't this, you ain't that. I'm like, nigga,

do you know who I am? I'm thinking, I'm a whole world with drugs. You know what I'm saying? So at the time, my brother is getting bells of marijuana

out of Arizona. I don't know it, but he's constantly coming over to my house and he's bringing the Mexicans of Woody. They need to use a computer. They need to use,

you know, so I'm letting him. I mean, listen, the money good, man, you need to come on, man.

I'm not doing it. You know, my girlfriend. I want me to do it. You little bitch-ass, nigga, you know. But I'm not going. He's kind of right. No, he was. Totally right.

And so now, this is the same brother. Actually, that was part of who sent me and his other guy up in the house and did that thing. But I didn't know at that age, he was asking me questions about his organization. And I'm like, no, you should do this. You should do that. I'm not knowing that he used him because I don't know the knowledge that Larry Chambers didn't put in me. So he's picking your brain. He's picking my brain and I don't know it.

Because I'm just young just telling him from what I seen Marlowe do. So his organization got really big, but it was from my planning, but I didn't know it. You know, so when he comes back with these Mexican guys, I need him back because he know how to put a damn plan together. Yeah. But, you know, I'm not paying attention and all that. So anyway, bitch left me. Nigger talk shit. I'm mad.

I want my bitch back. That was poetic. Can I write that down? I have that one? Take it, man. It's like a Willie Nelson line. Yeah. So I call him and I'm like, hey, man, what's going on?

He said nothing, man, what's going on with you? I say, man, listen, I need some work. He said, well, you need some work. What's wrong, man? What's going on? Bitch, stop asking me questions. I need some work. This nigga got my bitch.

I want my bitch back. So he said, come on down. So he gave me a bail of weed. The bail was like 25 pounds. I took it. Didn't know who I was going to sell it. two was out of the loop. I had an R&B group at the time. You had an R&B group? Yeah, because I was dealing

with music. You were like managing? I was managing. Okay. And I'm going back and forth to Atlanta. So I know people down in Atlanta. That's how what leads me to going to Atlanta at some point. So I got my group. They practicing the weeds over. I'm breaking it down or whatever. So they invite one of their guys over to come sing to. This guy's saying, man, you got the good, good. I don't even know what the fuck that mean. I'm like, what that mean. You got the good weed. Give me a couple of pounds. No, Nick, you gotta have money and this, that and another. So one guy said,

get let him. Okay, nigga, take one. Huh? He'd go come right back. Let me give me another. He'd go come right back. And that's why my guys is practicing. I got the big Tupperware thing there. And yeah, this motherfucker keep going. Give me five. And I'm like, shit. Yeah. Well, man, uh, I had to call him a brother back. I need more saying, Nick, I just gave you that. Come on. So he gets excited. I go take him the money. he's like, give me two bales. And so, bam, I get to two bales. Is a bail 25 pounds?

Yeah, each bail is 25 pounds. It's actually 25, maybe a little because they're doing it in a metric. Right. You know, so it's a little bit more, but I'm not knowing that time. Like keys of weed, kilos of weed. Exactly. But on the metric system. So you know you got more grams in it than what they do over here.

Right. So because eventually I was wondering how I was selling so many bales and I finally figured it out. They're getting all them extras. Right. You know, the other guys will break it down, take the extras off and make. me I didn't do it. How I got it's pushed it out. Right.

So anyway. That means you're moving it fast because you're given more for the same market price. But I'm not knowing that I stumbled into it. Yeah. You know, so anyway, he gives me two bells and this guy's still running. He sells half of the one bill. Say, listen, man, I got a guy in the morning. He want a whole bell, but he wants to get it for he go to work.

Fuck it, take it. He took it. Next morning, he comes back with the money. And then I sold a few more. I take my brother the money for the two bills. Then he gets mad at me. You say, damn, nigga, I was just trying to help you get a little money. You're selling all my shit.

I got to go up on the price on you. I'm like, man, I don't want to hear that shit. I want my bitch. Give me this shit, nigga. So what is your plan to get enough money and you think that's what we'll get your bitch back? I'm running off raw emotion, man. I'm rolling off raw emotion.

This nigga didn't talk to me crazy. Nick, I got the skill to make meals, bitch, and I'm about to show you. I'm about to run it up. the mentality in the ghetto is very strange and I don't understand it to this day you're selling more drugs therefore your price goes up tell me in what economic universe did that make sense it makes no sense and you got enough money you get your bitch back no no no you get a new one you upgrade but you you're saying all the right shit but see what you just said there is important about the more you go the price comes down. I learned that when I started dealing with the Mexicans. Right. And I started using that on them because the concept that you're saying is absolutely right. Because what would happen with the Mexicans when you get them, oh, you got a thousand, we're going to see you 2,000 pounds. We're going to see you 3,000 pounds. You're like, yeah. And niggas be happy about that.

You dumb motherfucker, the price of the work comes down. Right. It's not coming down for you, but it's dropping on them and they're keeping all of it. Right. Exactly. We don't know that. It's volume. They understand. understand the concept of time. Time and less transactions make dropping the wholesale price. Because you're doing business. We're doing loyalty.

Right. Business and loyalty don't go together. Two different concepts. This is capitalism. What the fuck does loyalty have to do with that? If you want loyalty to this business, bitch, I'm going to charge you a tax.

A loyalty tax. Because it's to your brand. Right. because we're not doing business. So you're absolutely right. I mean, exactly what you said was spot on. So I'm still in an ancient, archaic form of thinking. I want my being the same bitch back in.

But you're moving it, though. Like you are now becoming invaluable to these international connects because you're the salesman. What do you think made you a good salesman? What made me a good salesman is that I wasn't going in shit. I wasn't going in shit I wasn't concerned about what you made my whole thing is I want to move it move it move it move it

yeah and my whole thing is I want to be the best and not from the best of oh I need to be the shit I want to be the best because I know the workhorse runs the bag so if I'm the workhorse I run the bag what I say go

and as you said the problem that you pointed out came because the Mexican can start to notice that he started to move a lot fast and they started to ask questions. He started to increase and then they started to keep the price the same on him. And I say, listen, man, why you keep charging me the same price and going up on me but you get more work? So I starts to argue with him. And so what I do, I started to play, start to slow down.

Because now I know he's getting pressure from them if they seen he can work faster. Wow. And so they started to squeeze him. and so he has to come drop the price on me. And so I started to go back and forth with the wheel started to click then. I get my bitch back. I got rid of the bitch too.

You know. Ego. Exactly. He was getting 750 pounds at the time. Who's that? My brother. Okay. I basically run through all of it,

but he had to split it with the guy that was coming up from Arizona. The guy take three, 50, he takes 350 or however breaks down. So what I noticed is when that next load came, I ran through all of it. That he had to start pulling back from his people and pulling out the street. And so when he got done, he had to put a call in down to Arizona. And the Mexicans down there told him to go take the stuff from the other guy on the west side.

And I get west. I mean, the load had just came in. I sold it all within a matter of hours. Wow. How many people did you have picking up from you? At that point, what I did. I just, the crazy thing about it, Johnny, is I didn't know how that's weed will go. I didn't, to this day, I don't know what's good weed and what's bad weed.

I just don't know. But I knew guys that from dealing with cocaine and they knew guys with weed. And so I just tapped into them. And they just would come get it and they bring the money back. Yeah. And that's just how I'd want. To this day, I don't know what good weed. I don't know none of it.

But I just knew guys that could reach out to other people that knew people because I'm really an introvert. Yeah. So we went over grab the rest of it. I moved the rest of it. Within that one day, that seven, it was gone. So down there, which you'll find out when I go a little further about this little black girl I met out of Arizona stripper taught me to all Mexicans were greedy. And I started to see it.

So they increased the 1500. They increased the 1500. They split. Same thing. When they came in, it was like a day and a half. I sold all my brother's part. They sent me over to get. So eventually they just told the other guy, listen, you don't go up there no more.

You're in the way. Right. You just deal with it getting up there. So they increased again. And that's what I started to say to my brother. Because I started knowing my brother was giving the weed to his people that were not panning. Because he's a big cream puff. They're not paying him in there, you know.

And then I finds out that he's charging him less than he's charging me. But I didn't get into that because I see where this is going. your money. I don't care because I'm moving it so quick anyway. So eventually I end up with all of it, but they went to him and what, no, what they did, they told him to bring me down for a party that they were having. He didn't want to bring me.

So they held up the work. So he agreed to come down, but he had to bring me down to Arizona. So when he brings me down to Arizona, we went to a strip club. It took us out to a strip club called the Body Shop. Where in Phoenix? Was this Tempe? Is that the name of it?

Tempe. I think it was. It's a suburb of Phoenix? Yeah, it was Tempe. And then later on, we went down to... Tucson? Tucson. Later on, we went down to Tucson. But right then, we were in Tempe in the body shop.

And so they wanted this guy from Detroit, who's moving all these thousands of bricks in a day, they want to meet you. But I'm not knowing this, but I kind of figure it. Wow. Okay. We get down. We go in the body shop. They have their little relative. We always called him Joe Pesci

because he looked like Joe Pesci. And he spoke English horrible. But he's staying next to me. Now, the guy that was in charge of bringing the stuff, but they had to split with my brother at the time was around my brother. But the little midget guy stayed next to me. And so he's like, man, this girl, she's, my friend,

this girl, she's looking at you, my friend. I look, oh, this girl's fucking beautiful. She couldn't be looking at me. So I'm looking like she got to be looking at somebody. Oh, no. She got to be looking at somebody. else. And, um, man, I said, no, she's looking at you. He said, no, listen, my friend,

she's looking for you. I look again, and she over there dancing and wiggling and shaking and all this. And I'm like, no, she ain't looking for me. So I keep my hair straight. And then he tapped me. He said, my friend, here she comes. Here she comes. I look up this, oh my God, this Cocoa goddess walking straight at me in stilettos, baby. And I'm like, man, skin looked butter soft, bro. She came and sat down on my life. lap through her legs across me. And, uh, wow, I can't remember what the hell she said to me. And she's like, she's like, you know, she said something like, oh, so you wasn't going to

give me no eye contact? Man, I'm shaking like a Las Vegas crap table. Man, I'm nervous as hell. You know, I'm like, well, listen, if you wanted me, you should have came over. She said, I did. I'm like, okay, well, what's the problem? You know, and, uh, there's no problem. I just want to know, are you available?

I said, what I say? I said, if you're looking for me, you just got to take what you want. Then she whispered in my ear, taking. I'm like, damn, this bitch, bad. So, me and her, she gave me her number. She came and got with me that night. We didn't mess around or nothing. But come find out, I will find out later on,

that she was dating the Kinex uncle that was giving them the fucking marijuana. But she never said nothing. So really, she eyed me coming in with them and she knew, but I didn't know, okay, but she would be very valuable later on. But anyway, we'll come, well, yeah, she'll come into play. Good. Exactly.

So we end up going down to, uh, so what was the point of, uh, what kind of business did you discuss? I guess you're going to get to that, right? We're about to get that. Okay. I apologize. No, I don't know. You're good. You're good.

Um, we went down to Tucson. And I hadn't heard nothing about Tucson except in Biggie songs. You know, uh, when it's come out. when he's talking about when he wouldn't perform the hit, his man, what is, I forget, I forget the name of the song, he said, but he said he was from Tucson. Okay.

And some hit or whatever that went down, he called his man something, El Dorado, something from Tucson or whatever. Anyway, we go down there, and we go to the place, and it's called the Candy Store. There's a whole funny story with that. But anyway, this point is a guy, in his real name, anyway, Mario.

Mario's belligerent. Mario, but I like Mario. Mario is flat out. He's emotional, but he's belligerent. He can't stand my brother. He says, my brother's too soft. So he has us. We're riding.

And they said, say, listen, my friend, I'm going to do something for you. I'm going to do something special for you, my friend. You don't worry. I got this young lady down here and I'm going to put her on you. I call her a vampire. I call her a vampire bitch. He said, because when she gets you,

she's going to suck the life out of you, my friend. She's going on about how she's going to suck it. And I'm like, okay, I'm scared. She's my fucking ax. She's going to fight you. She's going to bite you all over. She's going to suck the life out of you and all of this. And my brother's getting jealous of it.

But I'm like, whatever. And he goes on and say, he just keeps going on. Anyway, he gets us down there. And he introduces us to this young lady. And she has a friend with a British accent. So she puts me with her. And she takes my fat-ass brother. So we down there.

Dan, they dancing and all this. And this woman here, she's sitting with me and we're talking. My table starts to fill up with beers. Like, this bitch buying me beers or something? I don't know what's going on. Okay. I'm looking at my brother. He's way over here with this other lady, the vampire bitch.

And, of course, he's going to grab her to try to keep her from me anyway. That's how he is. But so I ask her something. I'm like, why are you buying all these be? She said, honey, I'm not buying these beers. I look over at my brother. I'm like, he ain't buying them. She said, these beers are coming from these guys.

And I look. She said, look over here. And I look to the one table, makes some guys naughty. I'm like, whoa. I'm starting to get it. Excuse me. And she said, I'm like,

why are they sending the beers? She said, they want to be friends. I'm like, well, but I'm not the man. My brother's the man. She laughed. She said, oh, is he? I said, yeah, because I'm still not catching on. She said, look at your table.

How many beers are you? I think that might be like 15 damn beers on the table, right? She said, look over at his table. How many you see? I see the one he'd been. So evidently, what you see, everybody else in here don't see. You see him as the man, but nobody else They're sending it all to you.

How do they know you were the guy that was moving at all, all the way up there in Detroit? How do they know you were the real distributor? What I found, oh, you mean, the Mario and eventually I'll say Frank. My brother, love him, he going to hear this, but he's a fuck up. I mean, he doesn't. Goodhart, but he was always coming short. He wasn't paying like he was supposed to.

he gets the marijuana. It might take him a month and a half and they start moving it quick. So I'm thinking over time what happened is, let me have to edit this out. Excuse me. What happened over time is the guy on the west side

that we had to go pick up from, he told them because he got an opportunity to see me because my brother needed to have a crew. I had to load it up in the van and driving myself. My brother was scared to drive it. So he told them. And so they scored.

the information out of my brother. And like I said, my brother didn't want to bring me down, but they made him because they wouldn't send him nothing else. So now when I come, they already have an idea because the guys there at the strip club orders. And now they got me to their selves going down to Tucson. So they're pushing your brother out of the way because they want to deal with you directly. And they tried to, but I would not let them. And that is the term what they call, they tried to jump you.

I wouldn't let them jump him because that's my brother. and he actually set me up later. But anyway, so we eventually end up having a conversation and Frank came and got us the next morning to drive us back up to Tempe or wherever in Arizona to go ahead and get you ready to catch a flight back. But he wanted to discuss wanting to increase.

So increase the size of the loads. Increase the size of the loads. So there was already a load that had left. Actually, we didn't know it, but left like a day. before before we were supposed to leave, so he could meet us up there, so to speak. And he had us in the car on a ride back,

and he's talking about the business, saying what he wanted to do. And I started to talk, just started to come to me. Okay, well, what are we going to need? If you're talking about giving us this amount, we're going to need to borrow some money from you because we're going to need to get some places to store this stuff. We need to get vehicles to move it in. And I'm noticing he's not talking.

And he just started listening and squint his eyes and shaking his hair. And my brother's sitting up front. Like, yeah, that's exactly what we're playing. And as we got closer to Tucson, because he could throw out scenarios, I would answer back. And he told me, he said, he said, well, and I really like the way you think about the business. And that pretty much set the tone. So they sent us like 2,500 pounds. Got rid of that in like three days.

Wow. all from to cats in Detroit. Yeah. But again, these guys, some of these guys, and one of them became really close friend of mine, because when I got off under the cocaine, I could go borrow $400,000,000 from this guy. You know. So he had guys in Ohio and other places that were coming up paying cash. Huge hub.

Detroit's a huge Midwest hub. So that's coming in. And they got so to the point, Johnny, that they started sending like about 45, like, two to three metric tons of pot yeah and i'm moving this shit in like a day and a half two days when they come in they would start saying well when they come in listen we least need a million or one point five i was like okay no problem and i would have it okay they would have the truck sit there and wait the shit would come and i literally probably wouldn't a few hours i ever have like 1.5 1.7 wow and my brother was raping me charged me like 950 crazy numbers 950 a pound yeah

Okay. How much were you turning that over? Listen, I was selling it, Johnny. I wasn't even counting. And this is what happened. But how much are you charging on a pound? Like, if you get it for $9.50 and you sell a guy 500 pounds. Sometimes I wouldn't make nothing. No, sounds crazy to you, but sometimes I wouldn't make nothing. Like my one guy that's buying that volume like that, maybe $25 on him or something, sometimes nothing. Because I'm working on something bigger. Sure. Sure.

Okay. So because what's happening, the shit's moving so fast now. Within a matter of hours, I'd have made it $300,000. You might get it, what, $9.75? I might charge you $1,000 or if you ain't got it all, pay me later. Because what happened after was shit, think about three months of that, I had like a million dollars on weed. That was mine.

Wow. Just from making $25, $50 a pound. And that's that shit that quick, that shit was going. And I didn't know, and this is how I found that out. Because I'm going through my math, and I'm thinking about what I got to pay my brother, right? He's like, man, you only owe me a couple hundred thousand. Oh, man, your numbers is wrong.

Your number. I got a basement full of fucking weed down here. Your numbers are wrong. Man, my numbers ain't wrong. Check your numbers again. I go down there and check the fucking numbers. And I got fucking U-Haul boxes because only four, the big U-Haul box box is only for a 25-pound bails could fit in those.

I still got a fucking boxes up the ass of marijuana. That's how I figured out how much fucking money I had. And at that time, I think I had like $750,000. And marijuana, that was mine. How the fuck I did it? How I don't have? I don't know. I was just moving it.

So when that happens, shit, I'm rich, bitch. Yeah. For real. So now you got a war chest. Now you got a million dollars. It's yours. That's all mine. Okay.

But then what started to happen, they started to play games. because what I started doing, I started making them come down, come down, come down. They had another group inside the city that they were working with. So they were trying to transition and switching over to them because I had made that market so lucrative. So the whole thing was to switch the market over to somebody else, charged them a higher price and just have the customers go to them. It's the same week.

Fascinating. But what they didn't know, I had a cousin over there that was on that team. And I had had him working with me. So he started telling me, hey, these two guys, they're reaching over and they're talking to, you know, my guy's about trying to send over to them now. Okay. I'm talking to the young lady at the strip club. She wants to get an exercise gym, workout gym. She's a workout freak.

So I already started to go down and see her. So I'm starting to tell this. I need another connection. and, well, I don't know, baby, I might have something for you and da-da-da-da-da. So I'm feeding the money. That's what Detroit nakes do. We feed bitches money. You know what I'm saying?

And she ends up introducing me to a guy named B, Brian. But he has a weird name, so he just called himself Brian. So she had me at, I think the hotels, the Phoenician out there. Phoenician, I can't remember what city in Arizona. but I know I guess Michael Jordan and Charles Barkley used to go out there. I think it was like $1,500 or $500 a night or something like that. Real boozy bitch. But anyway, she hasn't come out and meet me.

Scottsdale? Scottsdale. That's it. Scott'sdale. So she hasn't come out to meet me and we're sitting and we're talking. We're talking about the amount of volume that I'm looking for. And I'm telling me. And is the Mexican guy as well.

It's the Mexican guy. Let me ask you before we go further. do we know what organization these guys are with on the other side? Are they with a cartel? What kind of, you know? Now, Brian was not with a cartel. Oh, you're talking about Mario and Frank? Mario and Frank.

I found out that Mario and Frank's uncle was because that's the one that the girl that I was started with dating. Right, okay. But exactly what cartel, I don't know, but an interesting story comes up in a little while. I'll let you get to it, yeah. Okay. So you're talking to B. I'm talking to B. We're talking and I'm telling him the volume I want.

I keep saying I need volume. I need volume. I need to least be able to put my hands on two to three tons per month. I was doing that. Johnny and less than a week. Right. But I'm not telling him that. I'm just telling them what I need.

Right. Okay. Now, from my old head, this is important. My old hair told me with dealing with. those individuals down there never tell them you have money to buy just tell them you can move it and the reason why he said because there's informants down there and their job is to set you up but they can't make no money if you don't come with cash because they get a percentage of the money so if you say you don't have no money they're going to say fuck you and move on right wow so

mind-blowing tip. Exactly. So that's what I'm telling him. I don't have no money, but I can move it. I have the money, but I can move it. So she used to date him when they were younger. So he really wants to get back. He's in love with a beautiful girl, you know.

And I had that problem, too. So anyway, what happens is he said, well, listen, how do you feel about going across? I'm trying to go over there. He said, listen, my friend, I could take you across. We could talk to some people. And so he eventually took me over at some point. And we met with the Tijuana cartel. So that's how that started.

And you went down into Tijuana. But it wasn't not yet. We're just talking right now. Okay. But he's eventually going to take me there. So just give me a look. Okay. So he said he's going to call some people.

So she comes back. Now at this time, it's kind of crazy. She's beautiful, but she likes to work out. and maybe work out a little hard sometimes. So at this point, I'm supposed to be giving up the ass. Okay, fucking. But she doesn't even give you pussy yet. No, I never took it.

I know it sounds crazy, Johnny. I'm trying to get to the bag, okay, man. Okay. So, and from my experience, when you put dick and pussy in something, it fucks it up. Absolutely. She knows too many people. Right. So I don't need her falling in love with.

Not saying that I'm going to fuck a good enough for that to happen. But, you know, I don't need that fucking with the business. Oh, interesting. So that's what I'm just giving her money. Yeah. So it's not enough for you to turn away from me because you like the money. Okay. So I'm withholding the dick.

Oh, you just redeemed yourself. The whole audience thought you were the simp of the year. I'm on my way, baby. Okay. No, no, I like this. Work with me, Johnny. Work with me. I'm coming to laugh.

Hell yeah, no. Respect, respect. Okay. So, um, she comes in. one night and we're supposed to do it, right? She come in, that's the time they had all these damn strawberries smelling lotions and all this shit. She didn't smell up the whole damn place with this shit.

So, you know, I'm laying there like I'm asleep, but I peeked my eye open, right? And, man, she bends over to, you know, do some old sexy, put the lotion on the leg thing. Man, this whole bitch, I cut the fuck up. I mean, like, I'm bodybuilder. I'm like, what the fuck? I didn't know, but I found out later she gets some bodybuilding competitions. Oh, I thought

you were going to say she was a man. Oh, I thought you said this is your introduction to trans women. But listen, it's shit, this damn near there, okay? So I'm like, damn. So I started,

you know, so she didn't bother me, thank God. So I had to get an ass up, right? So next morning, be as excited. he comes back. Listen, I got somebody that wants to meet you, but a lot, whatever. So she convinces me, go ahead.

She's getting excited because she want to open this big gym up down there. So she gets me in a truck with him. I start going down. I just changed my mind to last minute, getting nervous. Now, come on, man, they're waiting now. No, fuck that. Fuck that. Take me back.

I'm not going. So anyway, took me back. So I goes back to the city. Get back to the city. Frank and Nate still going through this bullshit, ripping my brother off, playing these different games and all that. But then I figured that my brother owes them money as well. So I'm talking back and forth with B starts to come up.

He starts to borrow money from me. And I started loan it to him. I'm giving it to her as well. You know, putting all his money to use, investing, I guess you could say. So anyway. But B is bringing you work up to the city. He's not bringing nothing yet. Okay.

But he's broke. But she's telling me that B's a fuck up. He gets work from over there and then he robs them and he doesn't pay him. But B's uncle is somebody, was somebody big over there. I know his uncle father of somebody and had a lot of respect over there and I would find out the over there would be the Tijuana cartel. So they tolerate him. What year is this? This is.

I'm the worst of fucking years, Johnny. But it's the 90s though. It's, uh, hold on. No, this is late 90s going into like 2000. Okay. Gotcha. This might be 2000 because I get, I get that BMW, that spaceship 745 L.I like 0, 2003.

Okay. Okay. So it might be like early 2000s. Okay. Anyway, okay. Where was it? So you're giving money to be? Why?

Okay. I'm giving money to be because she's giving me information that he's broke. He's broke and he probably owes somebody over there. So part of paying him. them off there, let him get something else. So, because she's feeding me information. Okay. And then I find out the work start, stop coming with my brother.

And he tells me, man, big sexy, which was the truck driver that was braining it. He got busted out there on the highway and this, this, this, that, and other. I'm like, really? He said, so that's why we ain't got nothing else. And so I'm talking with B, so B, get somebody down there to start sending a little something up, but sending it through the mail. I'm feeling like a peasant getting shit through the mail, but, you know, it is what it is. So when we get there, I'll just pay him the money out, just an illusion like we're moving

fast. And how much can you get through the mail? I don't remember how much it was, John. It wasn't shit. I would give him like 50 or 60,000, and the thing about it, but it was compressed. So it was nothing that we could really do nothing with it. But I'm just, fuck it, pay you, you pay them. Yeah.

And so it ended up working out, but I'll tell you how in a minute. Excuse me. So we worked that. That's going. So she calls me back down to come see her because B wants to take me across. He didn't set up a meeting. So I goes down.

I meet with her. She said, baby, he really has something big for you, so on and so forth. So I'm like, okay. And I'm like, well, something strange is going on. I said, but I need you to really help me get a hold of something. And I started telling her happen with big sexy and all this. And she said, baby.

she said, I'm going to tell you something. She said, I've been reframing from telling you this. She told me, Frankie Mario's name, I never told her they dang. She said they have a grandmother told me where the grandmother stayed

and said they have an uncle that they get worked from. And the uncle right now is threatening to kill them. I'm like, are you serious? She said, listen to me. So I'm thinking like, bitch, you're making

stuff up. You're trying to set me up something going on. But then she says to me that he's giving them so much time to pay him back because they gave him fake paperwork. And they stole a load. They jacked him for a load. I'm like, we've heard that's common. We've actually heard from the horse's mouth when we were in Mexico last week. The guys, the dealers on this side, Mexican dealers, will get it from the connects in Mexico, say they got busted, make. Make, fake arrest paperwork and give it to them as proof that, hey, nothing, the work, we got arrested, nothing we could do. We lost that.

I got so much more for you. Uh-huh. Okay. So, this shit's going to get crazy. Okay. So anyway, I'm like, wow. And it totally screwed me up because he had just told me before I left, there's a bad spot.

Man, he's in the bad spot. He's going to send something to us, but he needs to work fast because he has to pay the connect because they won't. They won't, he gave him the paperwork, but they won't let him some bullshit. But pressing, he need, we need to pay him fast. So now I know why you need to pay him fast because he didn't jack this fucking money and he asked to pay his uncle. And the only thing keeping his uncle from hurting you is his mother is begging him,

don't, you know. So that let me know I really have to make something work. So B takes me across and I give these guys nicknames because I can't remember their names. There's one guy he took my, I call him boots, because y'all, we wore nice, Ostra-Skin's boots. And that's the drug deal over there, ostrackeen, boots, and the big belt buck on the hat.

You know. So you're in Sonora right now. I'm in Mexicali. Okay. Gotcha. I'm in the city of Mexico. In the city of Mexico. And,

but I think we're at that point, we're slightly outside of that city. But we meet with boots. Boots make an arrangement for us to meet with some other people the following day, but they had to come in town. We go into Mexicali. We're going to Mexico

We go to the strip club And we're in the strip club I got a crazy story I don't know If you want me to tell that We want to hear You met the plug Okay

We gotta get to that We'll come back to that So anyway What ends up happening Is we end up Going to Meet Boots again We went to another city

I can't remember The name of the city But there's a lot of kidnapping Goes on In that particular city And Fucking huge club The Hub

club is huge. They got, I guess, each section of the club is a different brand of music. So we go in, we're up in VIP, the plug is there. And it turns out to be some of the Tijuana guys, but I don't know it. So we cut a deal that night for them to send me up a load. Wow. What were those details? The details.

It was like 1,500 pounds. 1500 pounds. Would they front you or do you come with cash? How does that work? All I had to do was pay the driver. Nice. Pay the driver. And how are they bringing up loads from the border all the way up to Detroit?

They didn't give me no details on that. But what I found out later is that the truck will come up so far. And then they would get the weed off, put it in the van or whatever. And then they would bring it to my little house. All the way up to Detroit. Yeah. Wow. Like it's UPS.

Yeah. And they put them in vans. They put the work in vans. They put it in vans. I don't know how far it came. up but it came out. I don't know if it came to Michigan or whatever, but they would get it off. It would be in like a minivan. Yeah. And then they would have

a guy trail it. And then the minivan would come right and they dropped the minivan off. They'd jump in it and they take off. You keep the minivan, you pull the work out and then they come back, get the minivan later. Yeah. But when they did that, the fucking weed again was compressed. But I skipped

over a part. But anyway. And do they know you were the guy moving it? Now, this is with the Tijuana cartel. This has nothing to do with the frank and because this weed is a total different type of weed. Is it better? It's not. It's worse.

Oh, okay. It's worse. But the Tijuana cartels is just horrible. Anyway, so I end up having to borrow money from my buddy to not use all my money to just go ahead and pay it real quick. It smoked good. It just didn't look good. It wasn't

pretty to the eyes. So I knew it would be a process and I knew I'll probably have to get some more weed somewhere else and cut it and mix it in. but the fortunate thing for us at that time there was no weed in the city so that helped us get rid of a nice amount of yeah because people like fuck it I'll just take this much of it

like hotcakes exactly and plus I'm the plug I'm moving so much they want to help me get to something better right so anyway that went they want to meet me again so I go down again and they took me

I went to Mexico they took me somewhere else and it was at a it was at a club slash bar no club slash restaurant goes in this restaurant and B takes me in we go to the back back of the restaurant

and we sit at a table we talk and they're speaking Spanish I don't know what the fuck they're saying but the vibes were not good for him they were really interested in the meat and I could feel that

and he's answering questions but then they get hot at him at some reason, but I found out later, they count your words. So if he asks me a question from them and I answer and they think that I'm saying too many words, they think he's lying. It's crazy. But anyway, it doesn't make sense, but it's going to make sense later.

So anyway, a guy comes in, a younger guy, he has on Gucci loafers, Gucci belt, American eyes, hair all spiked up in things, you know. But I just know how everybody started moving and acting around him. So I find out I know which one. But I guess he was one. I don't know if he was one of Tijuana brothers or one of their sons or something. But he was something by and he spoke to me in English. Hey, how you doing, man?

What's going on? I'm like, whoa. He's like, we're looking forward to working with you. Wow. I'm like, well, shit, I'm looking forward to working with you. So. They know you're the responsible one. Like all of there, it just seems like this whole process.

is just a ruse to get all of these bums out of the way. Because they want to deal with you. Exactly. Because they know the money's going to come back right. Exactly. Wow. Are you, do you,

were you like, God, this is surreal? Like, I'm this, like, orphan that used to work in, like,

Detroit crack houses, this black guy, never supposed to have nothing. And now I'm surrounded by a bunch of Mexican kingpins and cowboy hats. Like, that must have been, you know, Johnny,

that's something. That never really came to me like that. And this is the reason why I never came to me like that. Because I had a fear of Black Bottom. I had a fear of that beyond imaginable poor. And I was more afraid of that. So whatever took me to ending that and never going back to that again, I don't give a fuck.

That's why I was at. But I was starting to get it. The old sage of Marlowe and the different things, I'm starting to see it now in real time. I'm able to read it. I'm able to see it. And, you know, so now I'm clicking. And I'm noticing that I have a new skill set.

Yeah. And I don't speak the language, but I understand everything that's fucking going on. Yeah. So we get back across. But at this time, my brother's calling me because he has a load coming in. He can't move it. So when I finally get across, he's like, man, I've been calling you. And I was wondering what's going on.

I know you down there seeing a girl from me. But for some reason, when I was calling you, a Spanish woman kept coming up saying, because I'm over in Mexico. So my phone is registering over there. You calling me, the Spanish woman kicks in and say whatever in the Spanish, but he don't understand it. So anyway, I get back. I think Frank Sand, they cut the load down.

It's like maybe like a ton and a half. Get there. Get rid of that quick. But now I'm going back down. Go back down. I meet with B. B tell me they're about to send a load up. So I get back.

B comes back like a couple of days later. and they sent another load up. Wheat is better. So it's like a ton of this. Okay. But I'm noticing the fucking weed had like a lot of white chalk on it. Because it's wrapped

and these bells were like 19 or 20 pounds, not to 25. And it's wrapped in like black tape. I'm like, what the fuck is this chalk? So I grab it, I do this. I'm like, it's cocaine. So these motherfuckers were shifting

weed and cocaine up together. I'm like, what the fuck is wrong with you? And then the guy that drops it off, this guy, like, you can tell he's high as fuck. Yeah. He's not even supposed to be talking. He's supposed to drop the van and get the fuck on. But now he wants to sit around and talk a little bit. And he's like, queaking, you know?

I'm like, fuck, why aren't these guys are fucking rogue, man? What the fuck's going on? You know, so we get rid of it. And, hey, my friend, I want to ask you something. You know, do you deal with the white? Do you like the white? No, I'm not interested in a white. Hang on, hang on.

So was that, were they intentionally putting cocaine on the weed to make it better? Or was that a smuggling technique? Were you breaking the weed down and then taking the shards of Coke and selling that? Do you see what I'm saying? This is what I'm thinking. I'm thinking, okay, now let me clarify. So those economics don't make sense. I think that you're thinking that the weed was on, the cocaine was on the weed.

Yeah. It was not on the weed. It was on the wrapping. I see. So I don't know if somebody was sniffing off of it or if something broke open while they were transporting it. Oh, interesting. Or whatever. But that ain't never happened before.

Okay. You know, so, and shortly after that, I start hearing, you know, hey, you do deal with the white. Right. So I think they were doing it and maybe hoping that I would inquire, maybe. I don't know. I see. Okay. But as high as this guy was, I don't know if he was busting it open and sniffing off the dam or whatever, you know.

So anyway, we get rid of it. And they go ahead and they switch. switch out and give me another handler and kind of move beat it aside. But one of the times I went down, it was a guy named Orlando and Danny. Danny's very important. Orlando and Danny grabs me and they take me around to see the mediachi bands and all that's giving me the full Mexican experience. So when I get ready to split up from them to come back, they're telling me, listen,

you know, you should deal with it when I'm not going to jump B. And that's when you say, listen, I'm going to tell you something, my friend. Your friend's no good. One thing he's going to do is he's going to use you. He's going to get us to continue to send things. He's going to borrow money from you. And it's going to be for what did you owe us? Then he's going to say that you stole something.

But I'm not, nah, even though I know he's a piece of shit, but nah. But I want to keep the rule, the loyalty bullshit, right? So anyway, we ended up, I'm doing good with them, but I don't like how they work. They're erratic, and then they start, like I said, they send his handler. But he has guys in Ohio. He really doesn't like me because they're trying to get me to move to cocaine, but I'm telling them the price I want. I told them that I won like 17. And he didn't like that because he knew he could get the guys in Ohio to take it for like 20 something.

And then he could make that extra money. and then they even went as far as sending a guy up with him to come see me. And we met Donna Fischbones downtown. And we sat and we talked. And I told it because I really didn't want to deal with it. So I was giving him crazy prices. I told this guy fucking 16. And he jumped at it.

The Mexican guy stopped him. I started speaking to him in Spanish. But he got front of the whole no, no, no. And the guy looked, you know, and he's like, well, hold on. We're going to meet back with you. But the guy. that B that you're dealing with, we don't want you dealing with him no more. Get rid of his number.

Don't call him no more. Don't talk to him no more. But I'm not understanding at that time, they most likely bought the contract from B. Can you explain that buying the contract? What does that mean in the drug game? You mentioned that before the podcast. And I got a good one coming for you. But buying a contract is business.

I come, you bring me, you get into work, you're giving it to me. It's coming to me basically on consignment. Yeah. I'm just saying I'll pay the driver. So it's really being in front of you. Yeah. But it's given to me under your name. So whatever I pay, you have something on each pound or each key.

Right. So when they collect the money, they give you back yours. So it's really just like a handling fee. It's a handling fee. But you have the contract. So what do I mean by that? At some point, once I continue to work good, they want you out of the way. Because they're going to want to keep that part of the job.

you got and they're going to want to pull the finagling and all this on me. So they need you out the way because you know other people down there. So they're offered a buy the contract for me from you. And that might come with a position inside the cartel as well as money.

But in his case, he owed them a lot of money. So they were going to forgive the dead and whatever. The whole details of it, I don't know, but I know when something like that because of the girl, the tequila shoot, not to cal, I call it a baby, She told me later on under some of it.

Okay. So anyway, that was the thing, but I never got rid of him because I'm still under the loyalty thing. I'm not getting it, even though he's no good for me. But anyway, so they sent me up another load of marijuana.

The weed from, the marijuana from our frank name is still coming. So I'm helping my brother out with that. But it's starting to slow up a little again. So they're still sending weed, but it starts to get worse. It wasn't, it had gotten manageable. But now since Danny's

not down it, but a B supposed to be gone. They're pulling the bullshit again. They're sending garbage up and wanting me to get rid of it. And then that's why I tell them to come get it. Because I found out that tactic. When they send bullshit, they don't want to take it back. They want the money back. It costs them to bring it back.

So when you get them in that position, they'll say, well, hold on, my friend. Hold on. They're going to try to argue with you at first. We're going to send somebody up to see if it's there. You send them there, you let them come up, let us see us all there. Well, listen, my friend, well, what do you think you,

what do you think you could sell it for? What are you? And they were starting to negotiate. You bring the price way down. And that's how you crack them in the ass. Right. Well, they won't play with you anymore. Right.

So, but with this fucker here, he didn't like me anyway. He wanted to give it to his garbage men in Ohio. So he agrees to take care of it for the cartel because he really don't want them dealing with me. And what you'll find out is you go on, the Mexican over here. And Americanized Mexicans over there don't want

the cartels dealing with us, meaning black people or people like you. Is that right? Yeah. And I'm going to tell you something later on. It's going to. Why is that? This is what the baby doll told me that I learned out to be my rule of thumb. She's taken me three things.

Mexicans always lie. Mexicans are greedy. And she said, they're also jealous of you because of your dick. She'd say that. Who knows how true that is. I am too. Just kidding. Well, oh, let me sit up.

Anyway, so what I found out is that... I'm sorry, so they want, in general, the real cartel plugs, always want a Mexican intermediary or handler. They're giving the work to their distributors like you. They don't want to. They have to because of the language barrier. Right. The language barrier and they don't understand the culture.

I see. Okay. They don't want them in a place. that they are because the cartel has a weakness. Cartel has two weaknesses. They're vulnerable with the drivers, and they're vulnerable at the point of sale. Right.

And what happens is the Mexicans, or the Americanized Mexicans, they get in between us and them, and then they make the load slow down sometimes. Even though it doesn't have to slow down. They may hold it. They can't make a move it no fast. It's, oh, it's slow.

And that's the reason why they had me go down to Atlanta, which I found out later. Okay. Because they squeeze them and they make them come down on the price. It's too high. You charging too much? If you just drop it some, we could sell it faster or... Okay.

So there's like middlemen. So right now you're dealing with like cartel middlemen still. Exactly. Okay. Exactly. I see. And so they are essentially, and in midshipment, they can squeeze the plugs in Mexico, their bosses.

Yeah. And say, hey, you got to bring the price. down and they can lie and say, yeah, my guys in Detroit can't move it at this price. And see, the Mexicans over there are in a quagmire because they have to make payments every quarter to the government. Right. So if you're running a plaza, you have to make a payment every quarter. If you don't make that payment, you lose protection and you lose the plaza. Somebody else buys the plaza, then you have to pay the work. Right. And they know the payments, so they squeeze them. Right. And there's no.

nothing they can do because they don't speak the language and they're vulnerable. And you have to make your payments down there to the government or else you can't move your stuff across the border. And then if the American government wants you, they give you up and all of the nasty things start happening to you. That's right. And so they squeeze them like that. I see.

You know. So that's their issue. But they want you out. They want to deal with you directly. But at this point, there still can't figure out how to do it yet. They can't figure out how to do it. And then I'm still, I'm still caught. with the

stigmatism of how we black people think this shit go that oh, they're the plug, they're the this, they're the that

and they don't really go that way. So whatever they call, you go on because you don't want to lose the plug, not knowing that they're nothing but fucking middlemen

they're garbage. Right. No disrespect to my Mexican brothers and sisters out there. No disrespect to you. But they're nothing. Right. They're expendable.

But we don't see it because we don't know how it really functions. So Danny taught me how, but go ahead. Okay, but at this point, you still hadn't thought to just go around them. I didn't know that there was a way to go around them yet. Gotcha. But I knew, off Vibe, this one guy, he did not like me because I'm going to run this other type

that don't like you, don't want you over there. And I knew he was in the middle stopping a lot of shit, even though I didn't want to deal with the cocaine anyway and I didn't like Dillon with the Tijuana Cartel. but it was still access to. You know, so what would have been eventually ended up happening, that handler was making money off of me because they needed him there. But eventually after I worked a little bit longer, bigger volumes, they would have moved him out the way.

And then I would have had a direct. Right. But I learned that later on from doing more. But anyway. Okay. Excuse me. Fascinating. So what ends up happening from there, my brother gets cut off.

They're not dealing with him anymore. The week is coming. But then B comes back and takes me over to meet his uncle. Okay. So you're down in Mexico meeting B's uncle who is considering killing B. So there's some drama going on. But how does this relationship grow? Well, what happens is we end up meeting the guy named Chui.

And Shoey is a facilitator down there But basically everybody that grows And what he does He takes their loads And he gets a market over here To get rid of it But he has He has

Trucks that are coming up But are basically going to Chicago But like trucks full of marijuana So B goes back to boots He got his uncle there but his uncle don't trust him. So he gets B gets boo, boots to basically speak for him with his uncle.

Now, I don't think this guy is a real uncle, but I think this guy is somebody that was real cool with B's uncle or father, whoever, that Tide B down there to the whole Tijuana thing down there. Okay, so boots get Chui involved. Chewy comes to me and Chui talks to him. me. And I, Chewy's seen, he's heard about the weed I'm moving. He's interested. But he wants to give me a whole lot more weed. So I go down, I talk to him. So he's asking me like, okay,

where, what would the truck come in at? What would you unload it at? And so on and so forth. So as I'm giving him this information, he's like, well, no, that's not going to work because, you know, so what about the spot on the corner? How the fuck does he notice? Wow. But what he does, he's talking, but he got somebody using. I never knew about. Google Earth. They're Google Earthen everywhere that I'm telling them and looking at the whole damn area. So, B, likes it. And, uh, not B, but Chewy like what he's hearing. He liked why I tell him to drop spots and how I'm organized and so on. So he sends up B's uncle to come up. Now B, uncle comes up and B comes with his uncle. So I'm going to show him a good time.

I take them out to Benihana's out and I think about Paralane at the time. I know Beni Hans is still out there. So as we're getting out the car, I got a couple of my guys with me. I got B's uncle with me and B. Guess who's coming out of Beni Hannes? Frank and Mario. Wow. What are the odds of that?

Exactly, right. So I'm looking at them. They're looking at me. Frank is looking at me, but his face is. starting to turn red. So I sent something. Mario's looking, but Mario is more like a, hmm. So I tell, I believe it was Sam had with me.

I tell Sam to go ahead take B and his uncle on end. Now, B uncle came up to see how it was set up. But when he came to see how it was set up, I had showed him weed that I had from the Tijuana car to let him see I'm already working to make it more attractive. but I tell them to take them on in. So that actually is a big eye. Sam stayed with me.

So Frank walks up and says, Hey, Wayne, how are you doing? I'm pretty good. Frank, how are you? Face beat red. When are you going to pay me my fucking money? What do you mean? Pay your fucking money.

You owe me $300,000. When are you going to pay me my fucking money? I said, whoa, whoa, whoa, player. I don't owe you no three. $300,000? That's the only thing I owe you is $70,000. And I'll give you that. Mario on the back.

See? I fucking told you. I fucking told you. He's yelling in the middle of the fucking park. Like, arms flailing and all nine. I fucking told you. I told you big dog. My brother, he called him big dog.

Big dog is fucking lying to you. I told you. So Frank looks at him. He's getting more red. But in disgust, he said, no. Your brother told me, your brother owes me 300,000. And he said that you are the reason that I haven't got it because you've been. I said, no.

I say, you know I've been the one moving everything. You came to me and tried to get me to jump my brother. And I told you I wouldn't do it. I owe you $70,000. And I said, if you want, you can have Mario or you meet me later on the day and I'll give that to you. I would have been gave it to you, but I had no way of getting it to you because you haven't been. He said, because you owe me $300,000. I'm saying, you know I don't owe you no 300,000.

You know my brother was older you before I even came along. The way my brother was paying you is because I was there moving what I was moving. And you notice, Mar on the back, I fucking told you. He's yelling and screaming. I told you, you're dumb. You're dumb. So prank is hot. Frank is hot.

He said, well, how are we going to deal with this, Wayne? I said, what are you going to do? You're going to call my brother. You're going to talk to my brother. then you're going to arrange a meeting. I'm going to come along with the meeting, and my brother's going to tell you that he owe you and I don't owe you nothing.

I said, but later on, I'm handling business now, but later on, I'll come, and I'll either give it to you, the 70 that old you or I'll give it to Mario. Mario's in the back. He's talking bad to Frank. Frank is hot. I could tell, and Frank started to settle in his eyes,

and I could tell he already knew he was just hoping that I owe, because I probably be the only way he gets paid. So I went in, finished dealing with my business, and I ended up meeting Mario later on at the bar down at Fishbone's in Detroit. And I gave him like half of it. And I made it messy to all ones and five's nasty money. But anyway.

And he said, listen, I told my brother in the beginning that you didn't owe because you've never owed. You've always did good business. And since you haven't been dealing with your brother, brother because he sent your brothers a few other things and it didn't go well or whatever the case may be. So you meet Chui. How does how does this relationship build with Chui? The thing with Chui ended up going south because Chui came up and he wanted to go down to Vegas to a fight or whatever. But how he ended up coming up because they sent the load up to Chicago and the people got busted there. So he came up, but he asked B, could I help him out? He wanted to redirect him.

the semi to me. The semi had maybe like 15 tons on it, some crazy numbers on it. So he needed me to unload the truck, warehouse it formed, and to another truck came. And I could keep what I wanted to keep or whatever and put the rest on the truck. So I lined everything up, got everything ready, get my team ready, handed out phones and all the communicate on, and we're ready to go. What ended up happening is he came up, he's ready, but then he told me, so we know, I don't need you anymore because we redirected. And I guess the guys, I guess a fraction of their team got busted, but they didn't get busted, which sounded weird to me. Okay. And then I found out that a, he had one of his buddies come up that just got out of prison in California. And he came up to

drive a pickup truck back. I'm like, wait a man, this don't sound right. But anyway, the police got on to us up here. As I'm waiting for this to go on, I get pulled over or whatever the case may be. But as they're leaving the hotel, getting ready to drive back, they're about to fly back, have his buddy ride back in the actual vehicle.

They get pulled over. Police dropped the gas tanker found, I think, like $3 or $4 million. Oh, that hurts. So my understanding, they were set up from out of Chicago. So they should have let the load come to me, but they went ahead and sent it. That truck got popped. Wow. And the money got popped.

Okay, they took, his guy just literally got out of fucking prison, state prison. So he's jammed up. They pulled them over in a cab, but they ended up letting them go. So I called be in the process, because I had just been pulled up the road. And he said, why are you calling me? Why are you calling me? How are you calling me? I just got pulled over. And that's when he told me what happened. But what he did, what he was going to do anyway, he had already started getting weed from chute. So we're getting the weed from Chui, he was going to fuck Chui over because he knew Chui wanted to get to me. So that's the play he's going to put down. That's what the girl told me, baby doll.

Okay, but Orlando has slipped me his number when he warned me about B the time before, but I just kept the number never calling. I put a call into Orlando. Orlando came up to see me. Orlando came up to see me and I started dealing with the Tijuana Cartel again. But at that time, Orlando decided he wanted to be done with the business. and he gave me to Danny. Danny left Tijuana and went back to war race. Okay.

And this is where it starts to get real at. Okay. Who is Danny? Danny is the guy that I met when I said they were taking me around to the mariachi bands and all that. He was best friends with Orlando. Okay. And Orlando was a direct connection to the Tijuana cartel. Got it.

And they're the ones and the growers are chewy and... Exactly. And probably a conglomeration of different people. And the Tijuana cartel is the one that's moving it. Right. Got it. Okay. So when he goes to now he's in Juarez.

Now he's in Juarez. And how does, yeah, take it away. How does this change things? Okay. He's in Juarez. And I'm trying to get him to get me weed. So he would bring me back and forth to meet with different people. All the weed was horrible because I didn't want to deal with weeds.

So I ended up not dealing with nothing for like over a year and a half because I had plenty of money. I bought like 70, 80 houses in the city of Detroit and all that. So I'm doing that. Wow. You know. So you're a slum lord now. Well, actually, yeah, probably. Yeah, probably was.

She's snapping up cheap houses. Yeah, yeah. I'm buying them up and I just had teams where I just had a lot of money. So I'm just, and I was basically flipping the houses, selling them and all of that. That's going good. Then a housing market starts to crash. Right. Okay.

Danny's still in contact with me. Then I started listening to more conversations about the white. Uh-huh. So I'm like, well, fuck it. I'll try it. So I come over. He takes me to meet some guys. You down in Juarez?

Yep, I go down to Warwick. And it's been, what, 20 years since you fucked with White? It's been, yeah, it's been a long fucking time since I fucked with White. It's been a long time. And I think at this point we're like at 05, 06, somewhere in there. So I go down and I'm meeting with different people that he's hooking them me up with. I meet up with a guy named Tano. Tano was very influential down there.

Me and him never actually ended up doing any business. But I think he was a politician, actually. But anyway, he took me this one group and we're in the band. And, you know, he's talking and we're all this, that and another. And then he says to me and one of my guys, he's like, hey, this guy thinks that you guys are DEA. My guy next to me, I got bigger than silver dollars. Right. So me, I started laughing and smacking my leg.

Like, it was hilarious. and I had to smack this motherfucker. We're about to be dead. Right. And so as he telling me, I'm laughing, I get my guy to laugh. And he's driving. He's looking back, looking at her, and trying to see our responses. And so, anyway, we end up going to this one particular house.

Yeah. You're going to put your best fake laugh on. Exactly. But you know. And what he ended up telling him, like, do you even know what the fuck D. DE look like, do you? Yeah. But he made a reference to, you know, he used to the.

black guys with the chains and he had never seen black people before. Right. So he's going by the rap video with Dead Yankee and. Right. You know that. So we get polo shirts on and I'm like, we can't come across the border like that. Right, right. You know, because he don't know.

So anyway, we get over to their house and he cut a triangle in the, uh, and a break. And, uh, he sniff a line and Danny sniff a line and he, and give it to me. I'm like, he handed it to my other guy. I got like, so now he just know we DEA, not. Right. So it's like a quagmire. He's looking, looking at that. Looking at us, right?

And I'm like, man, I'm not sniffing that shit. And so he starts to get upset, but there's an older guy that is just looking. So Danny, thinking quick, he said, listen, man, do you want to do fucking business or you want to get high? What the fuck do you want to do? And then the old guy chined in and started yelling at him. Yeah. And then he got back on the business. You say, we're trying to do business.

You want to get fucking high. You know, so that got us out of that. So anyway, so we cut a deal. We cut a deal and we got back to the city. What are the details? The details, they were going to start sending us something small, like about 10 bricks at a time. And what they were doing, they were buying vehicles from over here. And they were taking them back when these car haulers.

Right. And what they were doing, they were cutting the bricks in half and putting a number of them. And somehow they was loading them into the things that the car haulers go on. And when they get over, they pull it out and they give it to us. Okay. So they buy cars from the U.S., bring them to Mexico, load them up. And what they would do, I guess, is a big market over there for used cars. Right.

Because nobody can really afford new cars. Right. So they bring that over and they were paying taxes, regular business. Right. You know. But when they came back, to come back and get a new set of cars, the whole thing was loaded up with cocaine. But it wasn't about 10 at the time. So what they did to have us make it easier for them, we started hitting the police auctions and start buying a bunch of cars.

And they would come over, give it. give us the dope, load up the cars, and go back. Right. So we were doing like, they would come back like two to three times a week. So we're doing like 20 or 30 a week. But it got at a point that I didn't know how good would translate over. But these guys that were selling all this weed, I guess they dealt with cocaine too. So as soon as they got there, the money was there. So I'm sending that back.

How much are you paying on a kilo at this point? They started, did it start like 17 maybe? or something like that. And then as they started bringing up like 25 at a time, and I got them to drop down to 16. Okay. And that's in 2005, 2006? That's a good price.

That's a hell of a number. So then what are you turning around? What are you offloading that for? I'm giving it to my guys. I think, let me see, 16. I think I was like, there's a couple of thousand on it, two, three thousand on it. They'd take it. Because I think at that time, Keyes are going for like 24.

25 or something like that. So you're undercutting the hood price by 5Gs. I'm murdering them. I'm giving them California prices, damn there. Wow. I'm killing them. Wow. And it's jumping back.

They're not losing nothing. Right. So these are crack dealers. They're cooking your power up? My guys are not. Okay. Because they're taking it and they're putting their foot on it. Right.

To give it to the way they couldn't do it or do as much before. Right. Because they were getting like the Coke I'm bringing in. They're taking four and a half, sometimes nine. owes out of it. Right. Putting the flim flam and putting it back together and guys are still happy over it because, you know, because that's how good it was.

It's so damn good. Exactly. So this starts the movement. These guys are happy. And then they tried to jump Danny. And I'm not going to let him jump Danny. Okay. Because they tried to make me an offer I wouldn't take it and all that.

What was their offer? The offer was like a low came in. And, um, the one, they send guys up because I had a bunch of houses. So I had a house that they could come to and bring the work to. Right.

And then they come to another house, get the cars and go back. So they were just coming, spend the night going back. Right. So I put beds, not beds, they could say,

they wouldn't let me buy beds. They said, buy them sleeping bags, beans, tortillas and a hot plate. We don't want them being too comfortable. Don't you dare buy them beds. That's what he said.

He said, listen, don't, my friend don't do it. They're not going to come back. Oh, that's hilarious. He said by them beans, tortillas, maybe

some cereal, an evaporated milk, and a hot plate. That's it. No more. And get them sleeping. I don't want to get him a pillow. He said, no, don't get a pillow. He said, they're not going to come back. No pillow. Think about how Mexicans think. It's kind of logical, though.

They're like, oh my God, in America, they have pillows and beds. Yeah. I'm going to run off and stay here illegally. Exactly. Wow. And he got upset. We said, they're not going to fucking come back. Instead of just maybe paying them a little more. Yeah. No, not that.

Hell no. Wow. Okay. So I think I finally understand Danny is your broker, more or less, but out of loyalty. But once you bring, once you bring the distributor you to the connect, these old guys and Juarez, there's nothing he could really do short of killing you or killing that guy to stop you from going around him. true exactly i'm at that point there where and and it does it it takes the fuck off it takes off your blow this whole process i mean my value yeah your value yeah my value is ready to peak they see it so they want him out the way but what he does he pulls a kansas city switch on him and do what he know

that they're about they're about to do which i'm about to tell you okay um so uh the low came in, but the main guy that was over the guys, because they had got to fighting over there. We had to stop all that. So he sent the main guy up to handle them there. He wanted to meet with me. I'm like, what the fuck do you need to meet with me for? But he's pressing Sam that he wants to meet with me.

So, okay, I come down and I come meet with him. He comes over to the house. Hey, my friend, how are you doing all this friendly shit? But I know what he's trying to get to. I have an idea, but I'm not sure. He said, listen, my friend, I don't know. do you know that really you know you you were paying like 17 for this right my friend you but you know we only get 16 we only get 16 i'm like okay but no i don't think you understand

my friend uh your friend is really he's really not your friend okay explain well i mean tell me what do you mean you know he's he's making a 1,000 from you offer each one of those and we will give it to you for 19 but your friend won't last so i see what he's doing i'm like what that have to do with me. So, I mean, I mean, you're a very good friend. Are you, you okay with your friend? Just taking $1,000 from you on each one? I said, that's not my business.

My business is what we agreed to. All that. So anyway, I turned his deal down. Right. He was trying to give him to you for how much? They were giving them to Danny for 16. Yeah, and he was giving to you for 17. 17.

So what would your price have dropped down to you? It would have only dropped down to 16. Right, okay. You know, but I know it was probably a little bit cheaper because he was putting his ass. He just, he said some other, he tripped up in there and said some of them just for the sake of just trying to move it along. Anyway, but he, uh, I turned him down and I called Danny and I told Danny. He said, okay, well, what do you want to do? Because me and Danny were like partners. Yeah. You know. And, uh, what do you want to do? I said, listen, I'm not going to jump you. You're my guy.

He said, okay. All right. He said, but just everything, nothing's going to change. Everything's going to be okay. Da, da-da-da. So he went back to them and he told him he knew what they did. So that's when they had to come clean, see, and I wouldn't go. And that's when I found out about the buying a contract thing. They gave him like about maybe $300,000 or something like that. And so what he did, he called me back and told me. He said, listen, these guys are going to pay me. I'm not going to be talking to you, but keep this number, right? He said, I'll contact you. Right. So his brother was up here. his brother went back.

He took the money. They sent another guy up and replaced the one guy to handle and had him sitting up here. I'm talking back and forth. So I squeeze them now and say, no,

I want you to give it to me for 15.5. They agreed. But what I didn't know they was about to start the board, they start cutting the work. I said, start messing over it.

So my guys are complaining and all of this. So Danny calls me, he's like, listen, I need you to come down. I'm like, are you sure, man? he said, listen, I need you to come down because at this point, I'm not only working here.

I'm working in Baltimore as well. Okay. But I'm working in Baltimore with Danny with somebody else. I don't know who does somebody else he is, though. So what are you doing? Are you just sending some of the load to this guy in Baltimore? No. How are you getting it off in Baltimore?

I got a, I know I got relatives up there. Okay. Okay. And then I met other people up there that could move it. Okay. So me and Danny was not only working here in Detroit. we're working in Baltimore. Okay.

How many keys are you moving a week? 50. Up in Baltimore, it started with like 20, 25 at a time. But it's through somebody else. And because what many Danny was doing was working with this team, but I would put money together with Danny. And that's what we was working in Baltimore with our own money. So he had a separate group or so I thought.

Sending it up. We're working over here. So anyway, I want to get rid of these guys. They're full of shit. So he calls me down. I go down. But I noticed when he picked me up, he got the curtains down in the van and all. I'm like, look, he acting nervous.

What the fuck is wrong with you, man? What's going on? He said, no, I have to be careful and have to be careful. And then he told me, I called you down here to give you my new number. He said, these guys gave me $300,000 for you. He had a young guy there with him. And a young guy like, what the fuck is wrong with you, Danny? You know they're going to kill you.

I said, man, I told Dan, I feel bad for you. He said, don't feel bad for me. Feel bad for them. And I'm not knowing what he's saying. He told the guy something. in Spanish and the guy's like, you're crazy in English, right? So anyway, what ends up happening, he has set up another meeting for me. And this meeting was with Mario Nunes Messer.

Who was? The cousin of the Corello brothers. And they are? They ran. That's who runs the Warwick Cartel. Wow. The bosses. Exactly.

So he had been working on his meeting for a while. I didn't know it. So anyway, he's like, be patient. I got a really big meeting. so we think in a meeting we're not going to happen we have to get back across because we got to catch the plane so can I ask you something really quick go ahead you know all this back and forth jumping across the border how does a guy like Danny or you how do you do that and not get flagged by customs for you know what I mean like that's got to paint a target on you if somebody's going back and forth so much across the border you would think you would think right yeah does Danny how to have American citizenship? No. No, he doesn't. His brother has American citizenship. And do you guys enter mostly on land or do you take private planes? Danny never, Danny never comes across. I'm the one going back and forth across. So Danny actually does all this while he's in Mexico?

While he's in Mexico. Okay. And just coordinates it through the phone. Exactly. Wow. Okay. Exactly. As I go on it, it kind of makes sense. But anyway, there's always a long-ass line across. Yeah. So we're in a cab and we're waiting. The next thing I know, motherfucker, come beating on the damn window in the cab. We look as Danny.

Come on, get out. Get out. Come with me. Come with me. Get out. Get out. Get out. We're like, what the fuck's going on? This guy's ready.

Come on. Come on. And he's running. He's in between the cars. Running back down. Holy shit. So we got to pull our suitcases out. We're running in between the damn cars down this damn bridge,

pulling out of suitcases. And he didn't stop in the middle of the street with the doors open. We jump in with him. Oh, my God. And he speeds off. He goes into the Burger King, pulls there, and he's sweating. And he's freaking out.

And he's, he kind of making me nervous. I'm like, what's going on? Nothing's wrong, my friend. Nothing's wrong. He's looking around. He's looking around. Next thing I know, these big-ass trucks to speed up in the damn

the Burger King parking lot. And I'm like, whoa, what the fuck is this? He said, come on, my friend. We got to go. We got to go. And he gets out, slams doing runs toward the truck. So I get out. I'm coming.

And then I look back for my guy, big guy, he ain't got out the damn vehicle. I'm like, man, come on. He's like, man, I'm not going. I'm not. I'm like, man, come on. So I had to go back, snatch him out the truck. I mean, the car.

Yeah. We go back toward the car. I mean, the big truck we're getting in. Danny gets in the front seat. They putting us in the back. But he noticing as he get in the fucking door is super heavy. So I'm much smaller in him. in. So we get in. It's a guy sitting in between us.

Two guys in the front, Danny's sitting in the middle. But these fucking, they get like shotgun mounted in the middle. Wow. Fucking automatic weapons mounted on the roof. And this is like, what the fuck? So we're pulling off. They tell Danny something to tell us. And what Danny said, sorry, my friends, these guys need you to put these bags over your head.

Like the movies. I'm like, fuck it. You know, we hear it. I put it on. he's giving them problem I mean put the fucking bag we in here not ain't nothing you could so he put the bag over his head

so okay and one other thing my friends I need you to lead your head forward you grab the back our heads and leaned our heads forward on the I'm like this nigga started crying and he mumbling and shit like that so they drive and all I'm hearing the chirps going on

well don't you understand you're going to meet the connect you're not getting kidnapped Doesn't Danny communicate this? How stupid are people in this business? No. I mean, it drives me nuts. Yeah. But he didn't tell us nothing. We don't know. Right.

You know, but I trust him because we didn't did enough that I got an idea. But this guy don't know. He thinks we about to get whacked. Yeah. So the chirping's going on. Then the phones go silent. And then he's making so much noise. They talking, they start talking. And then they say, what's my friend? What's wrong with your friend?

And I said He's praying It's like, oh, you have such It's like, oh, oh, they kept driving And so then the phone started going off again It was like some type of Morris Cole Because they weren't saying nothing Right

And then I know we got into a neighborhood Because you start going over speed bumps And then the phone started going off more And we pulled in somewhere like a garage or something The doors fly open They snatch the bags off Go this way, go this way everybody yelling.

So I'm like, what the fuck? So we going in, we step out. It's like two or three steps there. Go this way, go this. Everybody yelling. There's guys in the hallways with automatic weapons and all this shit, right? So we go in and then they're like,

you sit here, you sit here. So they pointed for me to sit over to the right on this one couch, pointed for I to sit over in this other single chair. And Danny went and sat on a couch next to this mysterious man sitting in the corn. But the lights down. and then there's guys back over here behind us everybody with weapons is another guy that I'll call ballhead later that's standing there he's going to translate for the chief the chief is Mario nunez messa

Danny's going to translate for me right so the conversation start okay well I'm here what's going on Danny starts to talk and then he he just starts to disregard Danny he's sitting in the corner over here Danny's sitting. I mean, if that damn arm on that couch wasn't there, Danny would keep scooting over because it got to the point where Danny started moving around the arm and on that little small part of the couch

moving away from the chief. So the chief's sitting there, but the chief got a nickel-plated 45 sitting right in his lap. I can't really see him that good. So we started to talk. And he said, okay, well, what can I do for you? I started telling him what I was interested in.

And he just totally stopped talking to Dan. What did you tell him? I told him that I need a volume. Oh. He asked me, what was I doing? I told him I was doing it anywhere between 75 to 100 keys a week. Yeah. So he was like, okay.

He's like, are you working with somebody else? I said, yes. You said, okay. What are you paying? And I told him I was paying 16. He was like, okay. And then this guy over here. And that's a lie.

Because you were paying 17 with the point from Danny. Who side of you on, Johnny? Yeah. The truth. I'm on the Lord. side. Yeah, I know that's right. I'm trying to work my hand here. Yeah, I love it. I love the balls. So the guy in the back here starts to yell saying something to the chief, right? Because he's the one translating as well. So Danny translated for me. He translates for the chief. So the chief says, okay, well, what if I send you 150 a week? I said, oh, okay. I said, but you probably. will try to be sending me.

I said you will probably want to send me that much so I can't work with these other guys. Then I see the darkness start to light up, see his teeth. Somebody turned to light light up. He linked up, gave a dirty look, grabbed someone, turned the light back down and leaned back into the, like the darkness again. Right. So I'm like, well, I still want to continue to work with them, you know, but I can still handle that with you as well.

He's like, okay, well, what if I send you 200 a week? I said, okay, well, at what price? He said, 17. I said, no, 17's too high. This guy's having a connoxion fit over here. He's having to fit because he's going to make something out of it. So we're going back and forth. We're going back and forth over the prices, you know,

and we eventually settled at 16. He's jumping up and down. He's mad. And then he starts to discuss the logistics. with him. Right. Well, I can on, because he's good handling, getting it up there. I can only bring it to Ohio.

I'm like, I can't, I can't have no way to get it from Ohio. Well, I'm sorry, my friend, you have to just, you're in the big league now. You basically have to grow up and all this, you know. But Chief is there listening. I'm going back and forth with him. And then I stopped talking to him. And I started talking to Chief. Yeah.

I say, please, I guarantee you, if you get this to me, I'll be able to move all of it. You're not going to have no problem. I mean, he's having a fucking connoissement fit. And Danny's translating for me now to the chief. Right. The chief is listening. He turns the light up. He said, we'll get it to you.

This motherfucker is hot. Yeah. I forgot to tell you one part. As we're negotiating, we're negotiating. He's coming down in the price. And I did some old creepy shit. I was like, I did some shit like this. I said, oh, I said, oh, I said, you're starting to make me feel like I'm the pretty

girl at the damn. Now, he started laughing. These guys go eight shit. They're laughing. They probably says some shit like you should fuck him or something because I'm not knowing how they really are. You know, but we come to an agreement. And he said, we're going to get it.

We're going to get it to you. We're going to get it. He's going to get it all the way to you. So now your price came down. You get more of it. And you don't have to worry about moving any of it. They just deliver it straight to your door. They're bringing it all to me to stop dealing with the other guys.

Right. You know. And he asked me, what would I do? do if they don't want to go away. I gave him my answer, which is not politically correct. But I gave him the answer to that. But he was like, okay. You know.

And now what happened, Danny was only asking for 50. The reason why he stopped talking to Danny, because he kept going up on the mount that he's going to see him. Danny's scared shitless. Because this guy ends up becoming the butcher of Durango that killed over 350 people and Durango and buried him in Mad's Graves. So he's already a killer. I don't notice.

The chief. Yeah. Wow. but Danny knows it. So Danny is scared because Danny like, you know, I can, you know, I can negotiate 50, but you didn't get to 1509,200. He damn, they're about to fall off the edge of the couch,

but Chief is not talking to him no more at all. And what are the payment methods that are worked out? What are the payment arrangements? The agreement that we worked on was that he would give me two weeks, no, three weeks, three weeks. And you wouldn't put any cash down. No. Wow.

No. And with him, I didn't even have to pay for the driver. Wow. He didn't have to pay for nothing. He took care of everything. Now, so Danny, how does that work? That must put Danny's life in danger because he's a broker that connected you with the first plug, these guys in Juarez, who I don't even know were they, who, what organization were they working with? Let me finish up. Come find out, they're working in Warras, but Warras owns the plaza. Right. So they have to. to pay to work. So anything they moved through there, they have to pay. Right. So when we came to the agreement, Danny told Chief his problem with these guys.

And Chief said, okay, he told one of his guys to go over to their office and tell them guys that Danny works with him now. That was ended up. What are you going to do about it? I got 300 bodies on me. Danny ripped him off for $350,000. Right. And it's, what can they do?

Wow. Wow. So that's why Danny told me, like, don't feel sorry. for me. I feel sorry for him. Because he pulled the bullshit on him and it was nothing they could do. And this is proof. Like, did that make you see that the connects need you almost as much or if not more than

you need them? That helped me see that. And that helped me see that the loyalty bullshit was just bullshit. Because I was supposed to get some of that $350,000. He offered me some. But I didn't take it because going with hood folklore deal with what's on. your desk, stay low, don't worry what's on it. And not knowing that that's just business.

He made that money off of me. I was entitled to some of that money. Right. And I told him no. He looked at me crazy and the guy in the front was like, fuck wrong with you. So he just made off with that when he made it off of me. Right.

So then now that he's got 350 G's and you've got the new Connect, do you still have to keep paying Danny? Well, what happened is Danny is in on that. Okay. He still gets something off of that. That's why this guy over here was so upset. Because what he would normally get, he doesn't get that. And he hearing the volume of work that's going to be moved.

So he's plotting against me. He's hoping I fail and every fucking thing. I see. You know, but Danny pulls some old bullshit later on, which we'll get to. All right. So now you got 200 joints a week at 16,000 apiece. But this first was a test. Okay.

So they get it to me. He gave me three weeks, right? Do you know how they're moving it across? at this time what this is what he did he dates I don't know how they well I know how they did it

it was on a flatbed and his flat bed that came they moved like big like construction tractors on it you know the whatever them things

that moved gravel and all that yeah back hose exactly now the part that goes to the fifth wheel somehow they had a compartment in there

that they put the keys in wow so the first load that came that's how it came We had a spot for them to back in, and they started pulling the keys out. I was there.

And my guys pulled the dude pulling the keys out handed to my guys, and they counted. I'm on the phone with them over there. And they're telling me to make sure I count everything. Because once I say it's cool, it's cool, I owe. Right. This fucker hands over 198 keys. And then when my guy Sam, I say, this is not it. no, no, my friend, it's everything.

Hold on, let me look. So I beat the inside. Oh, no, that's it. He said, it's not everything. He said, listen, I'm telling you, my friend, it's everything. So he gets on the chirp and he starts because they used to lying on us. And what scares him is when my phone go off. I'm not saying nothing.

My phone go off then. He hear a Mexican voice come across to me. His eyes get big. And he immediately turns, he immediately turns back around. Oh, my friend, I found him. Right, right. Because he sees you're talking to the connect. He knows I'm talking.

Yeah. So he gets scared and he goes, pulls him. Oh, no, I found him. Wow. And I say, okay, everything's fine. Yeah. So we get it. And, man, we did those.

We did like 150. And, like, it wasn't even a week. Wow. Between how many guys, how many guys are picking up for me? My rule of thumb is I only have three guys with me. And my guys are forced multipliers. so they may have a team of whatever. Right.

But there's only three that deal directly with me. So if something, it's easy for me to tell where are problems coming from. So what I would do is, okay, my guys at this point, I'm only giving them, let's say, 25 a piece. You got 25 a piece. Once you finish your 25, you have full access to the rest. So now they're busting their ass, moving it. So whoever finishes first have access to the rest. of the 125 keys why these other motherfuckers stuck on the 25.

So you're motivating them to work faster? Exactly. Wow. And are they paying cash? Do they have to pay COD with you? No. Or you give it to them on the front as well? No.

Give it to them on the front. Okay. So these are guys. And I'm giving them a good price too. But these must be guys that you've worked with. Yeah. That's my team. Yeah.

I know them. And I know they're going to. But see, this is what you learn. When you start dealing with volume, you don't get as many crooks. Right. Well, of course not. Because these people want somewhere they can spend their money. money.

They don't have to worry about bringing a gun. Yeah. And they're going to get good work. They got to worry about, you know, so you don't have that problem. No. You know, so when you're dealing with volumes like this, you don't have problems. And my guys, I told them, if you got to deal with anybody where you got to take a gun or they bring it, we don't deal with them. Right.

At a certain time at night, going back tomorrow, we stopped working. Yep. You know, and so these are the rules that I put down. Right. So these guys, they happy they can come bring three, 400,000 you and they got to worry about being robbed. Right. And if they call you and say something wrong. you're going to pick up the phone.

You're not going to say, oh, man, that's your problem and all that peasant type shit. You know what I'm saying? So it was never a problem. It's just high-level professional drug dealing. All day. All day. You know, there was no gun toting. It wasn't necessary.

There never is at that level. No, it's not. It's not. And that's what it would be hard for people to understand. So I called. They sent the truck up, come pick the money up. But that was what, and he told me, listen, from now on, I understand you were a little nervous because it's more, you know, But from now on, you have to complete the ticket.

What does that mean? Meaning that if I send you $200, you have to pay the full amount for the $200. You can't just pay me $150. No, they're going to still give it to me on front. But when I pay for it, I was only paying him for $150 of me because I'm nervous. I see the way these guys got all these damn guns. I don't want if I, oh, I'd rather owe for the $50 that it was talking about than $100. You know what I'm saying?

So he told me, but it's fine. It's cool. but from now on just complete everything. So what happened... 200 bricks, I'm sorry. So that's how many... How much is that? How much cash is that?

Man, listen, I'm the worst in the coming as shit. That's Sam always multiply that shit fast. So Sam is your partner. Sam is my partner. When we're... I'm over-negotiating. He's always... He can calculate fares.

He can do all that shit there. And, you know... How does the money... What do you... How are they moving the money back to Mexico? At this time, it was old style. Meaning that... you know bricks of money okay you have your one brick is uh thousand dollar increments

5 000 and then when you ship it it has to be in 25 000 bricks so you take the five of the five thousand dollar bricks you wrap it in tape or whatever and you know what i'm saying you send it like that that's how it's going at that time but it changes a couple of times and it changes again when i get to scene a little because it start going directly to a bank at that point okay but for now okay and that's 3.2 million that's the re-up money yeah yeah So are they sending it back in passenger cars or are they also putting it in heavy machinery like they sent the work up? Yeah. When here's the thing, when the drugs are coming in, once it come up off the freeway, I'm responsible.

So when it's in the truck being delivered to me, when it come off the freeway, I'm responsible until he gets back on the freeway. Same thing with the money. When they come to get the money, wherever they come, because they're coming where I tell them to come. I'm responsible. So that money has to get into the truck. Money has to get into the truck. And we have to make sure he get down on the freeway without no issue. Once he gets on the freeway, it's no longer my responsibility.

Is it a semi-truck? It's a semi-truck. I'm sorry. Sorry about that. It's a semi-truck. And it's pretty much the same thing. The fifth wheel, they put it in the money in there like that. Now, sometimes the driver adjust because it's like, I think a big suitcase would hold like $1.2 million, a big suitcase.

And your smaller suitcase, like your carry on, if it's large, you probably put it like 500,000 in there, if it's all large. Yeah. So we'll put, give him like three suitcases and then fuckers would be heavy. So a lot of time he'll just put it on the inside. And when he gets wherever he's going to go, he'll put it wherever it's going to go. Right. He's already got that figured out. Yeah.

Okay. Tell me about your operation really quick in Detroit. How are you keeping yourself safe? Like, this is a huge level of responsibility, 200 keys. So you've got Sam, do you have different, are you using all the real estate that you were buying from your weed money as like the stashes or how are you operating security? At this point, I stayed away from my real estate because the real estate is in my company name and anything of it. It's right. It's easy.

Yeah. So what I started to do, well, in Detroit, we use women a lot. I mean, you know. Those are some down-ass bitches. Yeah. You know what I'm saying. Sorry, Queens. I mean, take care of their bills, make sure they're riding good.

and they get a house for you and they don't come back no more. Right. You know, and they mind their own business type thing. Right. So, but in most cases, let's say when the bricks come in, that my thing switched to where everybody got like 50 as it started coming. You get 50, let's say 200 come in at this point. You get 50.

There's only 50 left. Right. Three guys get 50. Right. So there's nothing left. Right. You have the majority of it that's out there. Right, right.

So, and then it got to the point that guys started to save their money. because we're giving them really good prices. Right. They wouldn't work if we wasn't working. Right. Because then when they get it, then you go, you get like two or three days before they even hit the street because they're going to get it. They got the recompressers.

They're going to take stuff out, recompress, rewrap, put the fake balloons on it and all that. I got them for you fresh out the water. Some bullshit like that. Wow. That was the trick. It was a trick. Wow.

It was a trick. So your guys were breaking them. Say you give a guy on one of your guys 50 keys. He's compressed. and stretching that to my guys could not touch nothing okay the way you get it is the way it went out wow that's why they love me so and i told my guys just follow the formula yeah because you're making a thousand two thousand just off just handed it off within a matter of hours right so don't get greedy this is this is the best product at the lowest price there's no need to step on it there's no need

to stay there's no need to touch it right put it out there in the street because i need those guys out there to get money. Yeah. Why I need them to get money? Because they're going to start flashing. They're going to ride the cars. They're going to have the big chains on. And guess what?

It gives it, it's unfortunate, but it's business. It gives the DEA and all in plenty to investigate. Right. And not investigating us. That's right. Because the work is out, two or three window. We're done. It's paid for.

We probably went over to Baltimore down in Atlanta. We're out the fucking way. Right. And your guys, your three guys in Detroit, they must have out-of-towners. coming in. They must have people coming from... What starts to happen when you have that type of volume in those prices, you eventually get people coming in. Because what happens

to me as I started to move on, people in Chicago started to call down to Mexico saying that there's somebody in Detroit, saying there's somebody in Detroit that has the work a lot cheaper than us and our people are starting to go to them and they have the same stuff.

Wow. So at this time it would have been the Flores twins were the biggest dope dealers out of Chicago. When that started to happen, the Flores twins, I believe, were gone. So I think, I don't know, I think they turned their self in or they got brought in like 08 or somewhere in there. Okay. And at that time. Meach is gone too.

Yeah, Meach is gone. So you're it kind of. Yeah. You're kind of the man. It's an open market for me. Now, in Chicago, they still had some heavy hitters up there. It's just they wouldn't get in the numbers that I was getting. I understand.

I haven't went to Sen. A little yet. Right. Well, my chief hasn't went to seen a little. yet. Okay. We're still with war is. Right. So when I get the complaints that's going over there, I'm tapped in now. Everything that happens I hear about, that's how I heard about that. Because the guys now, if somebody coming to Michigan getting the bricks cheaper than them, and Chicago's a hub, but it's a different stamp on it or, as they say, a different t-shirt,

they're not going to say too much. But what started happening, the reason why they complain, because they were coming in Detroit, coming back with the same bricks that they had on the same stamp on a T-shirt. Right. They're like, how do you guys, if we're the main, hub and we're taking care of all the states around, how the hell is all our people going to Detroit getting cheaper work there? And it's the same shit. And why is that? Because you can move it faster.

Well, what that's what I figured out that. And they remember I told you about the middleman, playing the games? Right. Holding a world. Oh, it's too high. It's too bad middleman. And they started using me as a pace car to keep them honest. Oh, like, hey, he's getting for 16.

so we should get them for 16. Yeah. Well, what they would do, like I said, just to make sure I understand what you're saying, they may get it at a higher price or they may get it at the same price, but they're selling it way more. And it's causing it to move at a certain pace,

but I'm tearing ass. I'm shooting the lights out in the gym. So the people are coming over to me, but eventually they start giving me cheaper prices than them because they know I'm going to sell it past and get them the money back. So what happens with me is all the money I'm turning in,

is they're using that to pay the politicians. Right. These guys are dragging their ass. So what they start doing to them is the same thing that Frank did with the guy that was on the west side. They take the work from them and send it to me. Wow. And make them be honest. So it's like they're offering incentives as well.

The cartels are offering their distributors incentives. Yeah. They basically supplement it. Right. I'll cut you off if it's moving too slow. Yeah. Wow. It's moving slow.

Okay. you still got it. Okay. Take this over here and it ends up coming to me. Wow. And I move it like that. Did you ever get the price lower when you were as when you were working with Chief? This what I found out that the marijuana basically pays for the transport of the cocaine. That's what the money from the marijuana is used for because all the farmers grow that. But with the cocaine, you can only go down so low. Right. And they won't go no lower.

Right. And now if anybody's going to go lower, beware. Because that's just like you're going to a baker and saying, you're trying to talk them down on baking your wedding cake. He'll agree with you, but you're not going to have, you're going to cut down on the good ingredients. Right, right. You know, so you're shooting yourself in the foot.

Yeah. But that, with the cocaine, is more regulated. And what I found out at one point, because this came out of one of their mouths, we can't continue to let cheap cocaine coming to the United States. It's too cheap. Yeah. So where the fuck would you hear that from?

Where would you hear that from? What I found out when I got with Sinaloa, that it was a different ballgame. It was a totally different ballgame. Okay. So let's talk about how Chief made that switch and brought you over from Juarez to Sinaloa. What year is that?

This. Like I know you're bad with years. How long had you been working with Juarez and this? I had been working with Juarez. let's say for like a year and a half-ish. Okay. So you, at this point, you would move thousands of thousands of keys for him. Working with war, I liked working with war race better than Cina Loa and Tijuana.

Okay. Working with Warres was like calling in airstrikes, literally. Whatever I want I got. Wow. So there was never a hold up? Never a load. Whatever I won't. But never a problem.

I told him when to come get the money. If I wanted to take a break, I told them hold on a minute. that when it got to Senaloas, it was different. So how did, but you ended up with Sinaloa because chief, as you call him. I ended up with Sinaloa

because the shit was starting. Right. The shit was starting. This was the war that Chappo was making on Juadas. And just for context, just historical context for the viewer, Sina Loa,

Chapo specifically, uh, wanted to take over Huadas. and they would start attacking the city and cause one of the, you know, the craziest mafia cartel wars in Mexican history. They tried to do that in Tijuana too. Wild.

They tried to make war on two fronts. And the crazy thing about it, the war that started in Tijuana was because of the sheep. And nobody knows this. Really? Yeah. Danny called me when it was going on and said they released, and I guess it was a major publication over there

in Mexico released the publication saying, with the chief's picture on the front page saying that he started the war. I was at the meeting over there when they decided to go full out war. I was there. What was it about? Why did they decide to go to war? I mean, you want to go directly there? Yeah, I mean.

Well, just a quick backstory. The chief, I went to see the chief one time. We went out to eat, and he just kept staring at me. He had a stare that he would do. like he was looking through your fucking soul literally. And we're eating, putting the limes on the ors, live oysters and all this. I don't eat this shit, but I mean, you're in Rome, doing what the Romans do. So I'm chucking these damn things and he just keeps staring at me.

And then he breaks out and say, you are much more important than you think you are. It comes through translation. So I'm like, okay, everybody's looking at me now. you are much, much more important than you think you are. While he's staring at me, I says, okay, but I'm thinking I'm feeling awkward here. Promise me. You promise me right now. Right now, he starts to bang on the table.

You will never throw me under the bridge. Promise me now. Promise me. I mean, like I had no choice, I will not throw you on that. No, no, no, no, no. Promise me right now. He's hitting the table hard. with his damn finger.

You would not throw me under the bridge. Tell me. Tell me. They translate. And I had to look him directly in his eyes and say, Chief, I would never throw you under the bridge. He just stared at me, shook his head. He gave a light smile and started eating again.

At this time, me and ballhead didn't get kind of cool because they didn't get me to cut Danny off. Because Danny tried to pull me from the chief because he got paid by warrest. but to bring me over to War is and they gave him a position in Warriors. Okay.

So. Sounds like these brokers cause a lot of problems. Yeah. Yeah. They used the contract to level up. Yeah. And he had a big contract.

He had somebody that could move a lot of work. Yeah. So, but we don't know. We're moving to work. They get leveraged from us. Yeah. Because he has a good relationship

with us. We'll see a Mexican come around. Let's say somebody we're dealing with. they're come out. They act like they're real friendly with you around other because you think he's just being cool. No. What he's doing, he's pretending like he has a special relationship with you

and he can be the mediator or the middleman for you. And next thing you know, he's the one that's dealing with them when you had the direct connection. Right. Because they don't speak the language. So if he seems like he's your best buddies, he gets to make money off of you and you don't know it. Wow. So anyway, Danny starts to send me work

150, 200 keys How the fucking you send me this Danny? But Danny starts to call me and talk to me different. When you call and they call and they talk to you different because they got somebody listening. Most likely somebody of power because they're trying to show them that they have influence over you or you listen to them.

And one week I had work that came from Chief and had work that came from Danny. $400? Danny only sent me $1,000. the chief sent me 200. So like maybe 325 or something like that. But Danny don't have access to do this.

That's a lot of fucking Coke, buddy. But the shit was moving. The shit was fucking moving. 325,000 grams. They started sending more than that. They were sending more than that. Man, this shit was, it got crazy. It got real crazy.

But let me, um, so what I did, I pulled some bullshit. You have to pay Chief all the money. Remember, I told you that. Hey, Danny, something happened, my friend. I may need to owe you $200,000. Oh, don't worry about it, my friend. It's okay.

Okay. Chief don't know nothing about this. Who the fuck are you working with? Danny switched. Danny switched. And he's about to fuck him. I'm like, damn. But Danny's talking to him more aggressive now and like he's a hefe.

Right. And, man, you're supposed to be partners. Where this shit come from? I've been honest with you about everything, but you, You know? So anyway, one time he called me and he's talking to me real aggressive But in a tone, I know

with somebody else living. I find out there's one of the Corello brothers he was sitting with while he was talking to me. Okay, who were the Corello brothers? The Corella brothers is that's who the Warrest Cartel belongs to. Right. Okay. So Chief is actually just a high-up boss within the Corello's

organization. This is what this is what they told me through Danny. Okay. Because one of the brothers was sitting there with Danny. Okay. And I forget what I said to them. I'm trying to figure out what's going on. Because I know, I told Danny, that's how I knew somebody else was there with Danny.

I told Danny, I'm like, well, the chief just sent me. Danny has the, he didn't let go of the button. And I heard him send it to somebody and they respond to him. And I finally that's one to corrupt. Oh, don't worry. That's cool because that's their cousin. Chief is their cousin. So don't worry.

not exactly what position, but he had a position of power. But what Chief did was what Danny did. Chief saying I got enough power now to level up and go to Sena Lua. And that's what he did. So that's what the whole statement of don't throw me under the bridge.

Meaning, well, meaning what? I'm going to go to Sena Lord. I'm about to cut a deal. Right. Because Sina Lord tried to cut him out. And if they cut him out, cut him out, they're going to kill him and keep me directly. Yeah. I see. So it turns out that Chief was actually kind of just a broker himself.

Chief was a motherfucker with a lot of power. And I think a lot of the power, I don't think, a lot of the power he had is, I don't know what he was with the police force, because he was a police, he was actually still a police officer when he was giving me work. Yep. So he had a lot of power in the government and then when we got took down, he was actually paying a lot of the governors over there. Right. That's the best position to be in as a drug dealer in Mexico is with the military. Yeah.

So he had a lot of influence, and I think that's a lot of the influence that the Warriors cartel was through him. So he had like a spot, like maybe right up under the brothers or just maybe as just as influential as them because of the political power that he brought with law enforcement. Okay. So then why would he switch and go over to seeing a law. I don't know the answer to that. Okay.

I can only tell you what I think. Well, I can't tell you to answer that. Because he told me what he wanted to do because he eventually ended up fighting Chapo. Because but why did he switch first? Why did he go to Cina Loa? If everything's going great, he controls Juarez. He wants to start his own cartel. And he wanted to wipe the warres cartel out, in which he did do.

And he started that new, his part of starting that new haliso or whatever. cartel they got in warres now. Halisko New Generation? Yeah. But that's Mencho's cartel. He was part of what started that. Wow. Now, you know, he got took down, but, uh, shit.

Well, look, the, the Meyer is not as important as your relationship to all this, but it's pretty crazy that you have, that you're a fly on the wall of all of this Mexican cartel politics when you're just a Coke dealer at the end of the day. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. So, but so he, when he said, don't throw me under the bridge, he was saying, don't, if I do basically come with me when I make this move, stay loyal to me and keep moving my product. Because they're going to cut into you, which they did, to undercut me.

Because it got to a point where Chief's life was in danger because they were trying to get me bad. And I would, they were, the, the, trying to give me to switch allegiance over to. to this was after he switched to Sinaloa. Okay. Sina Lua tried to get me to switch directly over him. Chapo tried to take me from him. And then they were going to kill him. Okay, yeah.

All right. Let's talk. Let's move up to that right now. Okay. So does he leave Juarez, chief, when he decides to flip and go to Sinaloa? Does he actually physically move? Let me give you this and then I'm going to take you directly into that. Okay.

At this point, all of my bricks got, uh, crowns on them. That's the stamp. That's from war race. Right. And then I get a load of bricks with crowns on them. But then my guys are coming back to me like, man, what the fuck is going on? Somebody is mimicking our bricks.

Somebody got the stamp made or something. They put the crown stamp in there, man, because these motherfuckers bricks are every fucking where. I'm like, nah, that don't make sense. You're like, listen, man, we tell you it. They everywhere. our normal people say what the fuck is y'all doing because we didn't bought already.

Somebody in town got the same bricks, so we think of somebody then copied the stamp and do because guys couldn't sell nothing until we were done. I just have to purposely be out to let guys sell some of their stuff so we didn't have starting a war. Okay?

So I'm like, I'm trying to figure it, I can't figure it out. So I called down there because they used to me moving at a certain pace. And if you don't move at that pace, they think you double dipping in dealing with somebody else. and not moving their stuff, then that's when they want to kill you.

Right. So I got to call in. Listen, man, somebody up here duplicating our stamp. I don't know who it is. I'm trying to find it out. I haven't moved as much as I normally move. Bye, blah, blah.

Okay, don't worry. Hold on, my friend. We're going to see what's going on. They call me back. My friend, my friend, don't worry. Don't worry. Fuck you mean, don't worry. I can't and I got to get rid of it.

No, my friend, don't worry. The chief said, this is okay. Don't worry. No, no. What the fuck you mean? I know now the power I get. So I'm pushing motherfuckers around. No, fuck you mean.

Tell me something. You know, I'm a big fella here. Yeah, yeah. So, um, no, no. It's the same factory. It's the same. Huh? The same factory.

What the fuck? So it ain't nobody do, but just you motherfuckers. I go egg shit. The fuck you doing sent us some bullshit. up here fucking the whole market up. I built this motherfucker market and you. No, my friend, I'm down. It's okay. It's all the same factory. How do fucking it be the same factory?

Phone go quiet. I'm still cussing and shit. The phone opens back up with the two-way. And I hear the chief speaking Spanish. Don't know what he's saying, but I know his voice. Then a voice come in. The chief says, why does it matter what the fuck he do? he didn't do it to you.

I knew to shut the fuck up. Don't worry. When you don't send the money. Shut the fuck up. I don't get it. The thing was... They found a new distributor? The next load it came was all Ferraris.

It was all from Sina Lua. They switched over, but he was killing the market. He was destroying the market where War Reds couldn't come back with bricks no more, with the crown. Oh, so he was. He was lowering the price. Lowering the price and he fucked Juarez. Because before, with that stamp, people trusted, they wouldn't even try to cook it or test it a finger fuck it.

They just bought it as much as they could buy. Wow. Because the monies that I was turning in had different denominations, but it got to the point that all the money I was turning in was all hundreds and 50s. Whenever you get all hundreds and 50s, that's the money that the drug dealers keep. But that means these motherfuckers blowing a safes open to get all they can fucking get. Because they knew when they come back, this shit would be gone.

So they would try to buy all they could. Right. So he wanted to fuck them. I'm going to put a bunch of bad bricks out there. I'm going to hit it and fuck the market up. So nobody would touch a damn crown again when I switch over to Sina Lower. And that's how he did it. That's how he, that's how he basically.

But then does he have to run? Don't the Carrillo brothers, his cousins, want to kill him now? We're going to get to that part. Okay, I've said, soon we will. So I get a call immediately after that, said I need you to come over. Okay, I'll go over. And that's when Ballhead grabbed me.

I went to warrest and he took me to the airport. I don't know what's going on. I've never got on a plane over there. You're on a private plane now? No. Commercial. Okay. And he flies me somewhere in motherfuck of Mexico.

I don't know we made about two, three stops. We get there and we go and we meet with Chief. I always ride with Chief. We get in a car with Chief. We start driving again. There's about five or six cars of security. Right. He rides in the middle.

Are you in the city now or are you out in the country? We're somewhere in Mexico. We're not in war. I understand that. But yeah. know where? I don't know what the fuck I'm at. I didn't even know I was going to get on the damn plane.

I'm thinking I'm going to go over the war rears and he's somewhere in error. You get me. Actually, we was at the airport. He asked me for my name. I wouldn't give it to him. And Sam wouldn't give it to him. Like, man, what the fuck is you? What is you going?

They're not telling me, he begged me, please my friend, please my friend. Just, you know. So, Chief call, say give him your name. I'm here. I'm here. I'm waiting on you. Because I'm not being told nothing, Johnny, nothing. So I give him the shit.

he buys the damn tickets. We get on a damn plane. I don't know where the fuck I'm going. So we get over there with Chief. I get in Chief BMW and we ride. It's Chief driving me and his ballhead

was to translate. And we're gone. You got five or six cars of security. But we get pulled over. We get pulled over. So I'm whispering the ball. man, what's going on? You know,

because I don't know what's going on and nobody answering. But actually it was a junior in the car, too. Junior was Chief's personal bodyguard. All I see, these motherfuckers pulling lightning rise out.

We call lightnings rise nickel-plated guns. I'm like, whoa. So I turn around and start facing four. Like, what the fuck's going on? The state trooper comes up to the car

and he asks for certain information. And then all of a sudden he just started freaking out. And like, you know, like saying sorry. He's sorry. And then Chiefs started to say, don't worry about it. It's okay.

You know, gave him some money. Like, I didn't, basically saying, I didn't know. Yeah. You know, that it was, I'm sorry. And, you know, no, no, no, don't worry. Don't worry. Don't worry. Don't worry. Give him some money and all that. He's dead. He's dead now. That cop's dead for sure. But then the cops says some bullshit, right?

Because that's at this point, that's why I'm like 310 pounds. Right. So I'm in this BMW 5 series. Oh, you're a big guy. Yeah. And so he tells the chief, so yeah, but chief, be careful. That guy next to you, be careful. He might eat you. And they start laughing like, and I'm like, what do you say? What do you say? And, and ballhead didn't tell him we pulled off. He told Chief to be careful you might eat him. Like, I'll fuck you, motherfuckers. But anyway, we ride and we ride and like, damn there all night. Yeah. We get to Maasalon. Okay. So you're in Sinaloa. I don't know.

Mazzat Lons in the state of Siena Lola. I hate to be all white boy on you. Hey, listen, yeah. We're getting where we got to get to. How about we need to get there? So, you know, I'm looking at all this then water and, you know, we go in nice hotels and this thing here. I'm like, okay, there's some cool shit, you know. So one particular time we pull in because we got into a better hotel, it's like I had a driving area.

You go up, pull up in, garage to attach to the hotel. So we're standing in the parking garage. And next thing I know, phone's start going off. than a, I think it was a blue or black hammer pool scene. And it's chopper. At this point, some guys grabbed me and Sam, and they take us up to the room. We took up to the room. We're there.

Okay. What ends up happening is later on what ball he took us up, but he wouldn't tell us nothing. I don't know who Chapo is at this time. I found out who Chopper was on CNN. Anyway. We're in the room. So he comes up later. Like everything's okay.

Everything's fine. But I'm like, what the fuck's going on? What was all that? Why? But he's not really answering nothing. Don't worry, my friend. Everything's okay. So next morning, we get together about 20 fucking cars.

And we head out. And we get on a road that goes like this for like four and a half hours or something. And it's called the devil's spine. Yeah. So they're warning me. If you got to throw up or something, just stick your head out at the window. I'm like,

why the fuck what I have to throw up? But when you start going at spad speed like this and trucks falling over on the mountain, you have cows walking up one side as you. It's fucking crazy. And nobody's telling me nothing. Okay, we get up to the top of the mountain. They pull over.

They buy some tacos or whatever, this little stand. It's a guy up there with cute hair and all that. A couple of guys take him on the other side of the mountain. Who knows what happens. But anyway, We eat and we load back up again And we had like another two hours or whatever

I think We get to Kuyakan Is it a city? It's a city Yeah And we pull into the hotel But it's like

It's a big hotel Bunch of buildings But it's like a fucking Fortune 500 convention Is going on You get Secarrio Stunning all outside the gate and all this and all through there.

And then we pull all the way to the back. And the sacadios down on the ground. They're also up on the little thingies that you walk up, the little banisters. You walk under your room and all this. So we go up to the top. And then that's when I get introduced to a guy that I call a black shirt. So speaks English well.

Good. No accent or nothing. So I'm freaking out. I don't really nobody's answering questions. So we usually always get a room next to the chief. Chief sleeps in his room, but Junior always sleeps with chief. Okay, so it's another guy come in the book I call him the senior lower pimp, but I found out later on he got a lot of power.

He starts bringing a bunch of women by anyway. And I got to tell this one story, just to tell the night get on took. So every time we stop, we eating the fucking. I got tired of fucking, man. I was tired. You know what I'm saying? I don't know how to fuck they're doing it. So anyway, they keep bringing women, keep bringing women.

And I keep turning them down. That's not my type, not my type. And so I seen that they weren't going to stop. But what I was doing, because the women over there freak out when they see us, if we got the King Kong dicks or whatever. So I got shorts on, no draws. And they had this one thing. They would say mustache, which is basically mustache.

But that's their word for kutty cat. They say, mustache, pussy. You know what I'm saying? So I started saying that and then they used to like when I was to go like this, like, they start, they didn't fall out. So I would come out the room trying to run the girls off. I come out of my yule mustache, mustache as I'm walking. Then I hit my move.

Then my joint swing back and forth. And the girl started running. Nice. Scared them off. Exactly. And that's how you got them to not fuck you. But no, this ends up happening. The chief started feeling bad.

And he offered me his girl in his bed. just going in, fuck her. I'm like, okay, I better get somebody. So I chose somebody. We go in a room and we doing what we do. And the condom broke. So I goes out to open the door to say to y'all guys got a condom. I open the door.

There's two guys at the damn door. I'm still naked and my man was saying, how you doing? Full salute. They walk off. I'm just trying to get a condom. So I look out the damn door and I look down this way. And these guys are palled on top of each.

other. It's a little crack in the curtain. These moments looking through the damn curtain. I said, hey, they even one of y'all got it, they look up and they damn, they fall, they fall in all over each other trying to walk away. But that was a crazy story. But anyway, long story short, we left from there the following day. And we went over to this certain place. It was a wall around it.

And inside it was like eight condos, but it was a big steel door. They had to pull back. You pull up in a Cardio state outside. They close it back. And up at the top, and it's one particular apartment, chairs in a circle. We all sat in a circle. And I still say to this day, La Barbie walked in there. And look that guy up, people at home, if you don't know who he is.

They just arrested him a year ago. And then he disappeared. They think he's cooperating now. but he was like a ruthless killer decapitated people, sort of a lot of coke, but he's from Texas, actually. And he's, they call him Labarbi because he's really good looking and he's white.

He's Mexican, but he's got this like orangish hair. He's like pale like an Irish person. And some heavy dudes started coming in. Did you met Choppot at this point? I'm about to meet him. Okay. Well, actually, I've seen him at the hotel,

but I didn't know that was him when he, got out, but I'm about to meet him. But it's another twist, too. So, actually, that's what we're sitting around waiting for, but I don't know that. So we're there, and there's some heavy dudes coming in, man, sitting in a circle and we're talking. Then we go downstairs one particular time. We're standing in, like, parking lot within this wall structure. And it says, guy walks in.

He walks in. He walks in this beautiful woman. I mean, oh, my gosh, she's beautiful. I get my leg in one of your arms to, you know, have, you know, what I do. Anyway. And this dude is staring at me. But I can tell he's he's alternative lifestyle. But he's staring at me.

And I'm dressed Detroit style. I got on a money green linen outfit. I got on some money green mori gators. Oh my God. You're so Detroit. And he's looking at me. And I'm telling him, like, fuck wrong. This guy.

Why he keep looking at me? You know. He's sweet. I say something to ballhead. Ballhead not paying me no attention. He keeps, like, blowing me off. Then the chief finally asked, what does he, what does he keep saying?

And then he told him that I said, this guy's gay, and he keep looking at me. Everybody in the group started laughing. We're in a little circle. Then the gay guy says, what are y'all laughing at? I swear to fucking God to you, everybody stopped laughing like that.

Whoa. Whoa. Damn. He said that in English or Spanish? He said it in Spanish. Wow. I don't know what he said, but I know they stopped laughing. They stopped instantly.

Now, Chief has a lot of power. I've seen his power. But you stopped laughing with this. Okay, something going on. Something ain't right. You're seeing the packing order. I'm starting to... Chief's not Chief when he's around these cats.

Yeah. Wow. So I'm like, wow. So he didn't ask no more. more and left it as that. So we left, went back again that night to the hotels again, came back the following day. We all went out to Chili's and ate. I'm like, why? What's going on? You know. Why are you eating at a Chili's? You guys make millions of dollars a day. Why are we eating at a place we could have stayed in Detroit on eight mile and ate at? Exactly. But I guess the convention

is going on in the city and everybody's just eating and Mexican, they love all of the American garbage. Like to them, like they love TGA Fridays. Like to them, that's like, that's a status symbol. Is eating at? Yeah, I'm like, you know, a place you wouldn't fucking send your worst enemy to eat at. Exactly. So we get back. So I'm thinking we're about to go back to the hotel.

Now, listen, I got like, I've got how many keys I got over. They don't never call me over. They make me finish first and then come over. I have keys inside the state. And I'm like, chief, I got work, man. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. don't worry about it.

So this ain't making sense. Next thing I know the phone starts going on. Everybody started running. Come on, come on, come on, come on, come on. Put me in the car. We started riding. We get to a farm. We get to a farm.

We ride into the farm. Everybody get out. Now this black shirt guy, he comes over and starts talking again. Hey, how are you doing, you know, this, that, another. Are you sure you want to do this? Yeah. What are you talking about? You know.

Well, no, I'm just saying, my friend, because these are some very powerful people. I said, yeah, no. I said, but my chief is powerful, too. He said, oh, yeah, he's powerful too. But these are some very powerful people. I'm like, but I'm with chief. I'm not worried about it.

I'm like, and I got tired of him. I'm like, listen, I'm a big boy. I can handle myself. He said, okay. Well, I have like 3,000 pounds. Can I put it on the truck when you get ready to receive? you something. He's not supposed to be talking to me like this.

Right. You know. So I say, I mean, I don't have no problem, as long as you cleared with the chief. Oh, yeah, of course. Of course. Sam tapped me. He said, oh, boy, looking at you again. The Monte con. So I look over, and he's by a pickup truck

sitting on the back of with the beautiful woman, and he's staring at me again. I'm like, oh, my God. He likes black eyes. You know, yeah, evidently. And, um, and then every now that, you know, you look to see everything and he's still locked in. I'm, I'm feeling creepy. And then Sam said, oh shit, here you come.

And then Sam took off. So he comes up and black shirt is still saying there. He said, how are you doing, my friend? I said, I'm okay. How are you doing? He said, uh, what's the matter? You don't like Rolex? And I had a Rolex on him, but it's Submarining.

I said, uh, yeah, I like Rolex. He said, well, what's the matter? And he pointed to, you want a Rolex? I said, no, actually, I already have one. I have the presidential and, oh, okay. And he started to say something. The phone started going off again, and he ran back over to where he was,

and everybody started scrambling. They grabbed me and they took me under the pavilion. Chopo pulls in. What's he rolling in? Like, what's he? I didn't, the pavilion they pulled me into, and there's so many people were there. I couldn't see. Wow.

It's like he's the president. That's exactly what it was. Wow. And so when he walks in, I say to say, I said, look like we're getting an evasion of the munchkins. Because a whole, like a whole bunch of little short motherfuckers was, you know, and he walks in, he got on flip flops. He got on like a man bag. So I'm thinking he wanted him too, you know, alternative. Yeah.

But he don't have a mustache. Like what we usually see on a, you know, but he got the hat on and, you know. And he looks at me. He doesn't do nothing. And so, but I don't know who he is. And so then they grabbed me, they put me under the pavilion. Only ones standing next to him is the chief.

And then that's when this old man walks up. And Chapo is standing to the right of him. No, the left of him. Not saying that, but this old man was doing the talking. They had big-ass things of weed laying out. They cut a triangle on it. and they asked me how was this week. I'm like, oh, it's good.

I don't know. You know what I'm saying? Sam ain't no good either at it. And the old man starts to negotiate with me. The old man is a old man, Mayo. You just met Mayo Zimbada. Now, I seen Mayo Zimbada before this, but didn't know who he was. Because when we first went down in there, who brought the chief over to the scene of

lower, it was not Chapo. It was the old man. Right. And that's how I found out That the old man was really the one with the power And not chop up The old man had them open up The Durango Zoo

The Durango Zoo was closed down for renovation They opened up the Durango Zoo And they let us in I'm sitting at once Into the zoo The old man is down at the other It's like he got all fucking military Around him

A total different type of security Yeah And he had on the big white hat and chief was down talking to him and this was on another trip just for the sake of, you know. And I believe that was when the agreement was made for the chief to come in

because then that's when all this other crazy stuff started happening. But back to the meeting. He wanted to send me, I think it was between 8 to 10 tons of marijuana a week. The driver that was going to bring it was there. So me and him was negotiating.

The chief was standing. next to me. I think we negotiated something like $4,500 a kilo, which is two pounds, and that's like 200, you know what I'm saying? And that's the agreement we came to. He was happy with it, and he said, you'll have a truck this week. He said, by the time you make it back, the driver is going to fly in, you're going to show him where he's going to come to.

You're going to drop him right back off at the airport. He's going to come back, and he's going to come right back. with the weed and you're going to receive this every week. All the way to Detroit, they were going to bring it to you. Yeah. And there was no mention of cocaine? That was the interesting part. So I'm going to tell you what happened with that in a minute.

So I'm like, well, what happens if I'm not done? And don't worry about it. It's a truck going to come every week. Just put on it what you have. And it's constantly going to be trucks coming. So I'm thinking like, how to fuck I'm going to get rid of this weed? I got to expand. I got to open shit in other states.

And you know what I'm saying? I'm thinking how I'm going to take care of this. So we came the agreement with that. And we left. Chappo didn't say nothing. Standing there listening the whole time. After the agreement was made, he nodded at me. We left.

I get in the truck, I get in the BMW with chief. We're pulling out of the fucking, the farm. I started shaking. I didn't even know, fucking knew I was shaking. I started freaking the fuck out. I didn't, listen, I didn't know I was shaking. Chief slammed on the brakes and grabbed my leg and said,

stop shaking, stop shaking. Ballhead is right here in the middle of us, translate. Stop shaking, stop shaking. They're not giving it to you. They're not giving it to you. Just think of it. They're giving it to me and I'm giving it to you. I'm responsible.

Not you. Stop shaking. Stop shaking. I'm going to support you. I'm going to protect you. Haven't I always protect you? And I didn't know I was shaking. but I got it at that moment.

So you felt the gravity of what you were undertaking. Finally. And it hit me so hard. I think if you wouldn't, I probably would have fainted it in some shit, literally. You're just an orphan from Detroit that's supposed to lose. Yeah. You've just met,

you've just shaking hands with the top dog. And didn't know it, but I felt something wasn't right. But you knew their power. Oh, my God. I got it. Yeah. You knew you were with the kingpin.

Right. Right. Wow. So we pull it to the corner. Now hang on, hang on. Hang on. I'm sorry for a second. It seems like you were one of the main reasons that Sinaloa recruited Chief. Because it seems like basically Chief acted as this high level distributor for Sinaloa. And that's part of like his value to them. Am I wrong? I found out later The chief's value was Of course, me For the financial end of things So I'm thinking at this time Just looking at the dates I think the twins were gone

Yeah So they needed somebody to feel that boy Right Okay, I was that And the political power Chief had and warrest With the police force and all that Because later on I found out

He was actually making sure the governor Of senior law I mean of uh Warrest uh Chihuahua was being paid. Right. And all of this. Right.

So he was a killing machine. Right. So he could work for Sinaloa to help take out these Huadas targets in Chihuahua and Huas. Exactly. I see. But he actually started in Tijuana first. And then they wiped the majority of them out, which is a whole bunch of story. And then he went to Walrez last.

But he had a thing with him. I'm about to tell you something. Okay. Look this guy up too, just at home, just for so they can Google him. we'll try to put an image of him in the episode. What is his chief's full name? Mario Nunes Mesa. Mario Nunes Mesa, got it.

And they also called him Mack 10, because that was his weapon of choice. How many guys did he have, like you in the U.S.? Did he have other Donalds in different regions? I don't know. I know he had other people, but I don't think he had nobody that was doing what I was doing. Sure. Because when they put me in Atlanta, I got out. That was a top earner.

And they started taking bets, literally, on who was going to finish first. And I ran him out of the, I got sort of the point that nobody wouldn't make bets against me no more. Wow. Yeah. But, uh, all right. We're there. We're leaving. We pulled to the, uh, it was like a corner, I guess.

It would be equivalent to a corner. Everybody went to the gas station, except this is Chicago. They set up the perimeter. And I'm sitting there and I start feeling creepy again. And you know how you feel somebody standing at you? So I look over to the right and guess who's there? Sweetheart's there. Boy, George.

Staring at me hard. And I'm like, oh, my God, this dude going to try to rape me or something. I just know it. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, you know, I thought he was a senior lawyer pimp. But somebody had already told me what he was. He made all the payments to the federalities, to the Army, everybody.

Right. And he was making it somewhat of an decent proposal to me with the Rolex thing. I guess he was going to try to do me a ditty, take me shopping. Do I ditty. So at this point, I know who he is. I'm like, what can I do if you say, ooh, I think you're sexy and I want you? I'm in trouble. So I'm freaking out.

So I look a couple and he's still staring. He does not stop staring, but it wasn't a chief stare. This was a freaky stare. you know so we get back they get back in a car we're driving so we about to head back to the devil's spine chief gets the call but yeah chief gets the call and they're saying we want to party come on back let's party so the chief say something to me i'm like no no hell no oh it's gonna be fine i'm like no listen man i want to get this over because i'm gonna get sick and all he's saying this to uh sweetheart And so at least not worry what we'll do.

We'll get somebody to drive your cars back over tonight. And we'll fly y'all back across. And your cars are already be sitting there. I'm like, he's trying to get to me. He won't me bad. You know. I would have told, I want to gone straight to my own. And been like, look, I'm the one moving the work.

Kill this man. He's smoking, paying everybody. So, but, but I'm begging, chief. listen, don't worry, I know what you think. Don't worry. We're going to make sure you safe, man. But I think Chief was told to come back. So we went back to the damn place where everybody was sitting at the circle.

And I mean, this fucking place, the fucking roof was bouncing on this place. They were partying, sniffing coke and some everything. Girls are there? No, I hope. No, there was no girls there. Oh, boy. You know, we're not even faking it. There was no girls there.

And besides that beautiful one, I mean. So, but you have. You had El Turro, Tertran Lever. Arturo. You had him and one of his other brothers was there. But I found out who they were later. Was he Stiff and Coke? I don't know.

In the show, Choppel, they portray him as a major Cokehead. He probably were. I don't know. Because it's a thing. When you over there, around them boss, you can't stare at them too long. Right. Because it's like, why are you staying?

Are you trying to, you know what I'm saying? I've had a motherfucker going to say, do you got a bug on the inside of the, your t-shirt inside of you. You know, so it's a level of paranoia. Sure. So you can't just be looking at. You can look, but don't look. Right. You know what I'm

saying? So, I'm standing there. Black shirt is over, talking to me about drugs again. I didn't see sweetheart no more. I didn't see sweetheart no more. And then Chappo works as well over to me. And black shirt starts to

translate for Chappo. So Chapo starts to tell me That he've only dealt with one other black guy before And I can't remember What he said the 90s or when He said he dealt with one of the black guy before He said the black guy never cheated him He said it did real good work

But then he just up and disappeared He said he didn't owe him no money He just disappeared You know And he said he never seen him He said that was the only black guy That he worked with And he said

You're not going to disappear on me, are you? Like that? I'm like, no, no, you know. I'm going to say yes. You know, so no. He said, listen, let me tell you something, my friend. He said, I need you to know this. He said that at the end, this right here, and he did this.

He said must always, always end up in the hand of a black man. What? Keys of cocaine, drugs. The cocaine must always end up in the hand of a black man. Wow. That's what the fuck he does. That's what he told him. What did you think he was trying to tell you?

What do you think that meant? Then I didn't know. You got to realize I just got through them to pass and out and faint. Right. And I'm trying out to get fucked or have to fuck somebody. You know what I'm saying? So it meant a whole lot more to me later. What it meant to me and what he was telling me is that you are the most important variable.

And if I have a direct link with you like I had with the other black guy that I worked real good with, we made plenty. of money. You know what I'm saying? So he's giving me a history. I have worked with somebody black before so me and you could work together. And basically saying, this guy made a lot of money. He just left, just disappeared. You're going to make a lot of money.

And I want you to know that I know at the end, you are the most important variable because you have access to the market. Yep. He got it. Chapo was the distributor, you know. Yeah. Like he, Mayo might have been the boss. You know, I think really there were three bosses that had their own, you know,

little factions within the Sinaloa cartel. It was Arturo, Belton, Leva, Maya, and Chapo. But Chopo was the real, he was the smuggler. He knew about moving. The routes and how to get it there. Yeah.

So we left. And he said, then he takes his cock out. Thank God that didn't happen because, man. I guess I'd have probably negotiated a ton of two tons of keel. I had to get a ass up,

at least get a couple tons of coke out of it. Okay. You can, you can, raise the price on me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Get me out of here.

So when we left, because we still ended up leaving and driving the vehicles, because he got me out of there quick. I think he got me out before the, because the senior lawyer pimple, the uncle to real power, that's who brought all the women. So I'm thinking that's what he was probably getting together to come back with. So he got me out of there before that. Choppel. Chappo said you're good to go.

No, I mean, Chief got me out of it. I don't know. He might have told Chief that he was good to go. I don't know. but he made sure before that guy I was gone. But on the way back, Chief is talking on the phone. She was talking on the phone.

Now, usually whenever me and Chief riding, because the whole time, he was like, what do you think about this guy? And he asked him about what I think about the guy with the backpack on that I think that was La Barby. And a lot of the guys he was asking me about ends up being the Beltron Lever guys. So he just asked me, like, what type of vibes I'm getting up?

And as I'm talking to him, he'd be squinting his eyes, doing like this. but a phone call came in and he wasn't talking no more. He was talking on the phone and I'm trying to get Ballhead to talk and tell me what he's talking about, but he won't say nothing. Ballhead actually set back so I couldn't have access to talk to him. So he's talking, but he's talking intense. So anyway, I get back to Detroit.

Sam picks the guy from the McName Airport, takes him show's him and drives him right back to the airport. and I guess he got back on a plane or whatever end. So I'm waiting for this load to come in. I'm getting my guys ready, spending money, setting up other arrangements. And you think it's eight tons that's coming to you?

Eight tons a week? Between eight to ten tons. Wow. But the whole thing about it, it was like, and this would be the thing. Let's say the agreement, you're going to get two tons this month. It wouldn't be all on one load.

You might get a series of trucks, but it ended up equally. Yep. You know. So exactly how it was going to come. I don't know. a lot of times they hit you when they just so many miles out. That's when I hit Sam and he makes the arrangements to take care of whatever else.

Because at this point, they didn't want me around money and drugs, period. Yeah. Okay. You're the top dog, bro. Exactly. Wow. So what ends up happening, the lobe never comes. I'm calling ball.

He's like, wait a minute, this, this don't seem right. What's going on? Oh, don't worry. The chief is sick. The chief is sick. Okay, the chief is sick. But that got to do with the load. No.

The chief is sicker, motherfucker. Stop lying to me. I'm the hefe. Where the fucking load? I can't tell you, my friend. I can't tell you. Just hold on. I'm trying to.

So eventually, Chief told him to tell me. The motherfuckers he was talking to was the Corella brothers. They had agreed to meet up the following day to work out their differences, to settle everything for him not to switch over to Cina Loa. And when he went to meet up with them, they killed them. all this security, shot his car up, shot him a couple of times in the leg, so he was in the hospital. That's what started your war. Wow.

Do they intentionally leave him alive or they just missed him? No, they were trying to kill him. Whoa. He had some hard asses with him. Yeah. But I mean, they damn they wiped out everybody, but he had some hard asses with him. And then he wasn't no fucking joke as well. And he got a couple of shots in his leg, but he was messed up pretty bad.

But he was in the hospital. Wow. And that's what really kicked it off. That's what really set it all the way off. Okay. I'm contemplating maybe ending this and going over to Patreon because that was one of the craziest stories I've ever fucking heard on this podcast.

I'm going to send you some of the paperwork over. Like with Chapo's name and all that. In the book, the actual agent name is in the book. And the actual prosecutor's name is in the book. there is a a New York Times writer I don't know how to fuck he got this information but he got a lot of the information

on the chief and a lot of the payments that chief was making to the government over there at that home are we still no keep yeah yeah I want to wrap up I don't know I want to say this on okay well is it sensitive

yeah there's a lot of sensitive shit but this is kind of okay let's let's talk about let's jump forward how long did you work with sinaloa before the indictment came down because you end up going to atlanta so let's run through that and then we'll switch over to the patreon for more of the details but just tell us tell us how long you worked before you went away to prison i worked with sina loa for about about about two and a half years maybe three that's a long run Yeah.

How long? And did they send you, did they start sending you cocaine to? Or was it strictly weed from there on in? I never seen weed again. Really? It was all a trick. Because the ultimatum they gave me was if you want to get weed, you'll take cocaine. And so that's why I started to take cocaine.

Okay. Because they said they would give me weed. But they never gave me weed. It was to give me to take cocaine. And that's how I found out what the weed was really for. I see. And then Durango, the old man runs all the farms in Durango with the weed. It all comes to him.

Okay. And he's the one that, because, I mean, I didn't even tell you about what happened when I rolled through Durango and all that. So there's a lot. I mean, for the sake of time that I haven't going to. Okay. So what price are you paying with the Sena Lowens? Senior Loans. That's when I seen.

That's when I got a chance to see that this is a business and how it runs. I was at 16 and it wasn't going. more or no lower than 16. Yeah. You didn't ask. But what started happening when the war started really kicking off, the price started going up. And that's when I heard that, hey, cocaine is too cheap and that the price has to go up. I was told what areas would have droughts because I had actually moved some work up to Baltimore. And I found out that it was not supposed to be no work up there and that I wasn't supposed to send nothing up there. They told you.

that. Yeah. It told you where you could sell and where you couldn't. Well, see, that's when I found out. Because it was going slow where I was in Atlanta because Chapo beat the hell out of the bricks. Meaning stepped on them. Step on. Wow. Because they were running out. Most people don't know. Seinole almost lost that war. They were not winning. No. They were losing bad and they were running short on money because a lot of the places they were keeping a Coke at, guys were switching allegiances. Right. And taking a Coke with them. That's why I became so valuable because I wasn't switching and going nowhere. Right.

So he would beat the cocaine up to scratch the price because he still had to make the payments to the government. Right. And there's a bunch of weird stuff that went with that. So I had sent some work up to my man in Baltimore because it was slowing down. And it's the work they took from somebody else to give me that I did not want. But I had to take. But I knew he was pressing me because soon as I got the fucking work. Johnny, Chapo started calling me,

give me my fucking money. I want my fucking money. Where's my money? And I didn't even- Call you direct? No, yes. And threatening me. Oh, yeah, Moreno. I sent this shit up to fucking Baltimore. And then that's when I, he started calling and pressing again. And I

could go off on ball here. You tell him we want to fucking money. It's on the way back here from Baltimore. Why are you, why did they basically force you to relocate to Atlanta. I, well, I didn't think I was being forced. I thought I was going on the holiday and all that.

I didn't even know what they had going on down there because they don't tell you. I had got ran up on by the DEA. In Detroit. In Detroit. What was that over? Like I said, it's a lot. It's a lot. Well, it was over all the motherfucking cocaine you were moving, but where do you take the leak came from in your organization?

The chief thought it came from Ballhead. Wow. That's what I'm saying. It goes. You never know what's real dealing with the cartel. He thought it was ballhead. He had ballhead because ballhead called me and told me, listen, the chief is calling for me to come across. If I don't come back in a week, don't come down here because he made a pack with me just like Danny made a pack with me.

If the chief of somebody's going to kill you, I'm going to tell you. But if somebody's going to kill me, you tell me. you tell me. Yeah. I broke that promise with Danny because the chief was going to kill Danny. And Dammy in the end, fuck me. How do they fuck you? It's a long story.

Give us the, you're in Atlanta. What becomes of everybody? Give us that much. The war, the war got really bad. It got really, really bad. Sina Loa was losing. but Chapo gave or it may have been

old man Maya gave Maito because that's what they call Mario New Year's Maito they gave him more power and he just he's T flipped man and he just

just start killing every fucking body and it started turning the war around and what happened is then they start fighting with the Bell trying to leave her brothers right

and they didn't believe they could be them but I think was some help from the government and all that but so the loads basically came to a stop so they get because I just had to ask for permission to come back home so they gave me permission to come home and then I ended up being up here I never went back down to Atlanta and then you know there's a bunch of things happened when I was up here then they eventually started sending work again a bunch of other bunch of strange stuff happened but uh

They were sending work. How many joints are you getting? At that point, they started sending it up on, they had a group of people that was coming up from Mexico gambling in Detroit. Indian Trail, they had a driver, and he was just bringing me like 50 at a time. But this was after a nice little layoff. And they were about to start sending trucks.

They sent a truck driver up. I showed him the route after a while these buses coming. But the truck driver never came. They had got me like, I think maybe 100. And one week with the bus coming back and forth. But they never came to pick the money up. And that was weird.

They always come pick the money up. I had that money for like a month and a half. And then you say, listen, my friend, you know, come get this. I'm not, it's not going to be my responsibility. And then when you say that, they have to come get it. Right. Because then if they don't, it's not my responsibility.

It's mine now. Pretty much. Yeah. And, um, oh, we're going to send somebody up. We're going to send somebody up. Just hold on and all that. Now, at this time, Mario and Frank popped back up. But not Frank, Mario. Now, Frank has sent weed to my brother.

I got rid of it and all this. Frank started talking about No, Mario started talking about cocaine. We've never had a conversation about cocaine. Ever. And when he starts to talk to me, he's talking to me in a way that I know somebody's listening. Hey, my friend, have you ever deal with the white?

Yeah. Oh, okay, my friend. How long does you take you? I'm like, for what? A hundred. I barely got it out of my mouth. You can't send a hundred of nothing without having. permission from the top because nobody wants to be responsible for that.

Right. And you said 100 out your mouth quick. Somebody's sitting there listening to you. I said, that's nothing, my friend. I do that in a day and a half two days. I knew it. I knew it. Like I said, Mario was just over the top.

I knew it was you. I know it was you because I know your family. I know your mother. And we are basically like family. I've been knowing your family for 10 years. And okay, my, why are you reading your resume out to me? I know. because somebody's listening

and you're trying to be the middle guy you know so we started to have a conversation and we got all the way to the point where okay we're just waiting for the final call which is normal you always get the final call

but then his phones went there I had a contact from Danny Danny was telling me that somebody was coming up to see me on American Airlines gave me the flight number and everything, the time they were supposed to be there.

I was about to go pick them up from the airport. And when they got here, I was supposed to put them up, and they were going to tell me what to do with the money. Danny calls me at the last minute and say, oh, the guy's not coming. Hold on, my friend. This doesn't make sense. This doesn't happen, my friend. This never happens.

What am I supposed to do with the money? No, the flights were made. I don't know, my friend. No, you know. What happened? What happened? I don't know, my friend. They just called me and said the guy's not coming,

so don't go and pick him up. Now, Ballhead had been telling me, and I knew Ballhead was working, but Ballhead had been telling me, he was going to come see me, going to come see me. All of a sudden, Ballhead comes,

calls, and he's coming now. Ballhead came. The guy that was supposed to come up and tell me what to do, but over a million dollars, never came. Hour from me picking him up from the airport, the flights canceled,

this over with, the bricks that were supposed to come from his other way for Mario, and the price I told him was a crazy price. Never came. Phones went dead. Not off. It just turned off. But this one way comes through. And it's the way that sets me up. And that's what takes me down. So it was conspiracy. Or what was the charge?

It was conspiracy. It was conspiracy. And how Danny got me back is that she told me he was going to kill Danny. because Danny stopped blocking loads that he couldn't cross once he was seen the lower because Danny got a lot of power in the warrest cartel. So he just told me he going to kill Danny. Don't talk to Danny no more. And I almost got killed, which I didn't tell you about that,

for still talking to Danny and he found out. But Danny called me and asked me, is the chief saying he going to do something to me? Is he? No, no. Are you sure, my friend? No, you know what I'm saying? My friend, are you sure?

He knew all his line. But I couldn't, you know. So I made a deal with him. I didn't keep the deal. So now this would have been the time for you to tell me, listen, motherfucker, they're setting you up. They're shutting down ends. Something's going to come through to take you out.

They're triangulating you. Why were they, so who set you up? I don't understand. Was it Danny or was it the... It was either chopper or the old man. Why would they want to see you go down? I don't understand. The chief turned on them and started fighting them

and started beating them. Bad. So they needed to take out his main earner so he couldn't make his payments. Why did the chief start fighting them? Because the chief's whole objective was just to knock off the warres cartel and to get his own relationship in Colombia

to supply his own cartel. So then why go after Sina Loa? Why not go after Huas? He was using the power and the money of Sina Loa to knock off Warres because he couldn't do it by itself. So once he basically got them eliminated, he turned around and started fighting them. Okay, so he went back to Juarez, essentially, after he won. Oh, he did?

He knocked off Tijuana. Wow. And then he went over to War Reds and raised hell, basically killed up everybody in there, and then he started turning around and started fighting Chopper. Wow. And did you know this was happening? during the the war years?

I did not know that that was happening but once I got picked up and I had more privy to more information that's one I knew the actual details of what was going on.

But I know the chief told because the chief had already told me the reason why he didn't want me to throw him under the bridge because the same way that he took me to Chapo and let me cut my deal there.

he's going to take me over to Columbia and let me cut my deal there. But the whole thing was I would have to do his work first, then, do that. So that's why I didn't never go with Chappo. Is because you were going to, you wanted, you were holding out for the Colombian Connect. Yeah, yeah, wouldn't you? But how are you? I don't know what that would have done because you still have to move the bricks through Mexico. I don't know how that would have dropped your price.

I mean, I don't know either. Unless you're sending them through the mail or, I don't know. Well, you know, what, Columbus. for my understanding, they'll give you so much work. And then they'll actually also pay you out of that work because you're going to be distributing for them. Right. So there was already, because they was using me like that in Atlanta.

It was giving me work and I had to hand it to other people. Colombians? No, no. Just was seen the Lord. Okay. And I was arguing with chief, which I never did. Like, I don't want to do that. He kept saying, I'm doing something for you.

I'm doing something. You don't see it. I'm doing something for you. I'm doing something for you. So what he was doing was giving me experience with holding that work like that and distributing it to other distributors. Right. So you're basically warehousing. Exactly. And you were logistics. Yeah, basically. Wow. And with the Colombians, that's what you do. Right. They'll park so much work in certain spots and they can hand it out to people from. And that's what he was preparing me for. Wow. So you are working for them. It's not like you were just distributing your own coke. Yeah, I was working. working for them. Yeah. Wow. So, so they tried to take you out. They did take you out. So did you go

down for 100 kilos? Was that the amount that you got popped on? I was charged with, what is that? Receiving five or more or something like that. And the devil is in the details with that. because this whole thing, it turned real political. It turned real political. And it's some stuff that I don't feel comfortable with saying, you know. But I put it like this. When I was sentenced, they had, was it, 800 keys or something like that on there. That was the charge.

but of course they didn't charge you with that with relative conduct the judge said once he stated the number and he said I'm sure this is a very very generous number saying that he knew that I did way more than what they had on that damn document how did they how did they manage to put together 800 keys so was this multiple shipments that chopo or one of the Sinaloans had set you up on

what they did because they caught a number of the drivers that said that they were on their way to me. Okay. Yeah. They called somebody say they're on the way to me in Detroit and on their way to me in Atlanta. Wow. And they charged me with that. Over how much, what period of time was this investigation?

This was like, well, like how long? They had already been like six or seven years. Okay. But the drivers that were, the drivers that basically said they were on their way, way to meet. It had only been maybe like a couple of years. Okay. And why do you think they didn't take you down right there? This is what I said to the Lee U.S. attorney because he came down to meet me once they extradited me to El Paso. He came down to meet me. And I said this to him. I said, you know you were lucky that you caught me when you did because you wouldn't have never

found me. What he told me was this. He said, you're right, Mr. Tompkins. He said, but what you should be asking yourself is, why did they tell us to come get you now? I'm saying, well, you're the U.S. Attorney? Who the fuck is they? Right. That's when I started to get it.

But it goes a lot deeper. Who is they? Tees us, because we're going to talk about it on the Patreon. Who is they? Sina Loa? It was somebody more powerful than the U.S. attorney. Wow. But in our government. I don't know. But they were powerful, whoever they were. And he made sure he put a distinction on they. So you went down before, obviously before, you got arrested in 2010.

Chapo didn't go down until. I got arrested like 2011. I think it was April, April, third or fourth, or 2011. Okay. Gotcha. You got arrested in 2011. And then. then did you just stay in? Did you bail out? They never let me out. Actually, Michigan was going to let me out. They, this story is crazy.

Michigan is going to let me out. And they talked to my attorney because they had people from El Paso there in the court and said that if I tried to bail out, that they were there to appeal it to stop me from getting out. and told me through my attorney

that if I was willing to weigh the extradition process that I could come down to a Texas be a rain and they would give me a bond. So I'm like, fuck it. Let's do it, right? So I went ahead, did it. Got down the,

usually takes a while to get extradited and transported. I was down there less than a week. Maybe like three or four days he got me down there that damn quick. I get down there, go to court, whatever, and my attorney had made it down there. I had a team of attorneys. I had two attorneys from down there

and my attorney up here, which has since passed, may rest in peace. And my attorney from down there met with me after we went to court. I say, so what did they say about the bond? He said, Mrs. Tompkins, are you a real, like, religious person? I'm like, no, not really.

He said, well, I'm going to tell you exactly what they said, but there's no attack on the ones of religions. I'm like, okay. They told me it would be easier for you to shake hands with God. Didn't get a bond. Yeah. I started laughing my ass. He looked at me like I was crazy.

I'm like, that was a good one. But, yeah, they never let me back up. And once I started getting into the weeds, I can see why. Okay. Well, we'll talk about more. We're going to switch over now because we're out of time. But you did 10 flat or 8 and a half? It was a little under 10.

And you came home, you've been home about what? About five, five and a half somewhere there. Okay. Yeah. Wow. Let's plug your book, man. You got several books, but El Primo, which is what they called you, which is what the boys down in Mexico called you, the cousin, right?

That's what Chapo. Chapo gave me the name. Primo. Chapo gave you this name. Yeah. El Primo. the black hand of the Sino-Loa cartel by Donald Wayne Tompkins. Where can they get this?

You can get on Amazon. You can get on Amazon to come right up. It's a long book. Yeah. You know, there's a lot I cut out of it, but I get 600-something pages, but I also have it broke down into volumes. This is volume one. Okay. And this one is volume two.

And this is the juicy one. It's thicker, right. Volume 3. And that's basically your entire life story with all of these, all of these details. Oh, and much, much more. Right. Okay. So they can get that on Amazon.

And I encourage you, like, I'm going to read this book. I mean, a lot of people come on here with books that I don't read. I'm going to read this book. Now, tell us about your YouTube channel as well. We want to plug that on. My YouTube channel is. at official El Primo. The link will be in the description.

But you're just doing content. Is it a podcast? Are you just telling stories about yourself? I'm telling some stories about myself. I don't go real heavy into it, but there are some stories on there about myself. I do a lot of current events and things that stuff. But I'm going to put more stories about myself

and a lot that's going on with me. And that has went on more deep and in detail stuff. So okay. Terrific. Well, yeah, that was, that was unbelievable. Really remarkable. Do you, do you reflect back? Did you have time to sit back and think about how far that you ascended in the drug world from just being an orphan collecting bottles in Detroit? Does that hit you at how rare and exceptional that is? It's scary to think about. because at the age that I am now thinking back, I'm like, how did I do that? How did I have the balls to do it?

How did I, so it's like, wow. So, I mean, it's scary. And to even tell the story, man, it comes from a dark place. It comes from a real, real dark place, man. You know what I'm saying? And I know it's one thing is I would never want to do it again. I don't think I'd have to,

I mean, the chest pains I used to have. I mean, you oweing somebody $4 and $5 million. How do you call them and tell them you had a bad day? Right. I mean, who wants to hear that, right? So, I mean, wow. The stress. Yeah.

It's unimaginable. Yeah. It's unimaginable. Wow. Well, we're glad you're back. Glad you're free. We're glad you're out of the game. We're going to switch over to Patreon and fill in a lot of those details,

especially about the war years. But that was really something else. I appreciate you coming all the way out here to L.A. Thank you for having me. You got to go check out his book, El Primo, available on Amazon and anywhere else you get books. Donald Topkins, I really appreciate it, man. We'll see you over on Patreon. Patreon.com slash the Connect show.