The Connect- with Johnny Mitchell - East Coast BLOOD GANG Members Are Infiltrating 1% Biker Clubs: Bike Gang Leader SOSE Spills Secrets

Episode Date: April 20, 2025

In this raw and unfiltered episode, Sose the Ghost takes us deep into the gritty realities of street and biker life. From growing up in the violent streets of the South Bronx as a Grape Street Crip to doing time on Rikers Island and eventually becoming a 1% outlaw biker with the Thug Riders MC — Sose shares it all. He opens up about: -Life-or-death moments in gang wars -The power dynamics between Bloods and Crips in NYC -His transformation from gangbanger to biker -Inside stories on the Mongols, Hells Angels & MC culture -His views on street violence, prison politics, drug dealing, and redemption -The real impact of stop-and-frisk in NYC -Bitcoin, evolution, and building the Demons Row platform This is one of the realest interviews you’ll hear — straight from someone who lived it. Go Support Sose! YouTube: @DemonsRow IG: https://www.instagram.com/demonsrow/ Website: https://demonsrow.com/ The Episode Is #Sponsored By The Following: BAY SMOKES! To get your free sample just head to https://baysmokes.com/pages/free-thca-flower-gram-sample/theconnect BetterHelp! Give online therapy a try at https://betterhelp.com/connect and get on your way to being your best self. Join The Patreon For Bonus Content! https://www.patreon.com/theconnectshow Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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You're going to just get fucked up. Every time you turn the corner, 30 dudes are like running after you. The gun is aimed at my face and other people like, shoot them, shoot them, shoot them. And I look this way and my daughter's crawling towards me. Somebody in the hood that you have problems with goes up to your sister. It's on.

That's how I caught my attempt murder charge. Zos the Ghost has a fascinating life story. He grew up in the most violent section of the South Bronx, the epicenter of street gangs in New York City. As a teenager, he became a member of the Grape Street Crips in a neighborhood heavily dominant. by bloods. Fighting, shootouts, and murders were a daily occurrence. Soz did it all, sold dope and and coke, went back and forth from Rikers Island, and survived as a gangbanger in the roughest prisons

in the state of New York. After getting out of prison and leaving the Crips, Sos became a 1% biker with the Thug Rider's Motorcycle Club and moved up to become the Sergeant of Arms. He's networked with every 1% motorcycle club in the country from the Vagoes to the Hells Angels to the Mongols. He gave us inside info on the power of West Coast street gangs in New York City, especially the Bloods, and how they've managed to infiltrate these supposedly legitimate biker clubs across the East Coast. Sos is the leading voice for biker and street gang culture on the internet. Check out his YouTube pages, Sose the Ghost, and Demons Row for all of the best interviews

with 1% bikers. Without further ado, a gangster for life, Sose the Ghost, right here on The Connect with Johnny Mitchell. I was a sergeant of arms in a 1% club, which is a position where you have to actually get physical with people and stuff like. like that. In jail, they were ruthless. They would cut their own. The CEOs in Rikas, they didn't control the house. The head gang leader controls the house. Everybody wants to be king of the jungle. Fascinating subculture. The people are still interested in. Yeah. And it's so crazy because, like, I'm here, like, sitting down with all these outlaw motorcycle club members. And I got, like, Jason Momoa watching the show. I had no idea. And the only reason why I found out about it is because there was all these channels. You know, when you grow, people start talking shit, you know? So people were, they, they, all these channels started talking shit about me that didn't know me.

I was shocked. I was like, oh, shit. Like, they were just making up like they knew me. And Jason Momoa saw it. And he was kind of upset because he was a fan of the show. And he actually granted me an interview. So it was like, damn, I'm talking all these outlaws. But he's in a club.

He's in a red rum emce. So he was like learning about it because he was new to it. So it was like, it's crazy. Like YouTube, you read so far. You never would guess who was like watching the show. you know was jason moa a biker before he was an actor yeah that's his background yeah he always rides he does all his own stunts on fast and a furious and all that he does all the stunts yeah you're from the bronx yeah it's crazy the bronx is still hard rock it's one of the last burrows that really

hasn't changed that much yeah it's something in the water or something bro like i don't know what it is but the bronx it seems to never change you know when it calmed down a little when juliani came He, he, Giuliani was like, he fucking regulated New York. Like, people were scared when he, when he brought down the mob and the death penalty and everything. And you know what it was? The catch and frisk. It didn't matter what you was doing. If you were on a block just hanging out, because that's how it is in New York.

We just hang out on the corner, you know? So if you're hanging out on the corner, they're patting you down. So that took a lot of the crime off the street because, you know, you got a gun on you, gun charge, you know? It's just, yeah, he really shut it down. But the Bronx is just, it's just. it's been getting worse and worse progressively again. And like we grew up riding the subways

and the subways, man, people get pushed in the subway. Like you know, I don't know if you spent any time in New York, but if you ever ride the subway, people that know ride in the middle where the conductor is because if you get caught in that back and the wrong people come in the back, it's lights out for you. They're going to rob you, they're going to beat you up,

something, you know. Growing up, we've seen so much on the trains. Like we would cut school, hop on the train and end up in Coney Island, I'm in I'm from the Bronx and Coney Island is the last stop on the train so we're in Brooklyn you know ended up in crazy situations bro like yeah and gangs go back to like if you watch Warriors the famous movie from like the early 70s it's like different you know gang just little clicks of hooligans yeah so that and that's like unique to the Bronx nowhere else besides

maybe deep Brooklyn has gangs like that they were just you know just drug dealers or or mafia or whatever. Because the Bronx is, it's, it's part of New York, but it's, it's like a ghetto suburb. Yeah, it really is. It really is. It's different from everywhere else. I mean, we kind of got that relationship with Harlem,

because Harlem is like uptown right across the water from the Bronx. So Harlem and uptown, we always had that. It's so different, bro. Like everywhere else I go, I'm like, it's so clean compared to, there's like a filthy kind of look to New York, you know? People just throw garbage on the floor. We used to throw garbage out the window. Crazy shit.

I don't know what we were thinking. But you see other people do it and it's just, but then you go to nice neighborhoods and they're like, oh my God, you just littered. Like, it's crazy, you know. But in New York, it's just, that's how it is. It's just a gritty place. And it's like the twilight zone too because people I grew up with, I couldn't know your first and last name and never say what's up to you.

We'll walk right by each other. Know each other's family and everything. but we were never introduced, you don't say hi to each other. It was just the fucking Twilight Zone, bro. People are so defensive because there's so many people and things happen so fast that it's crazy,

like you could like just look and then what the fuck you're looking at and then it just goes down, you know? So everybody's so like tunnel vision and like not worrying about nobody else's business. Like I used to see the ambulance on my block. Somebody stretched out on the floor. You're like, somebody got killed.

You look. It's not somebody you know. You just keep walking. It was just completely like oblivious to everything, you know. It's just normal. That's normal. Yeah. It's normal.

And you could die any time in the Bronx. Especially now, you know, I read the New York Daily News every day. And every day it's somebody got stabbed in the Bronx. Some 16 year old killed a 14 year old in the Bronx. What is that about today? What is that teenage gang violence over? I'll be honest with you. I think when I was when I was a teenager, I did a bid for robbery.

All of us, when we were, were like 13, 14, everybody in my neighborhood started to do bids. I don't know what it was, but well, I know what it was. We were poor. And when we wanted something, you know, you asked your mom, oh, can I get this new jacket? Could we get this? And they're like, no, I can't afford it. And then you go about things the wrong way, you know, and I'm not proud of what I've done, but, you know, we used to take people's coats, crazy stuff. We used to call it shopping. And on Fridays, you know, we'd be on a block and then like, yeah, man, I asked mom, I wanted the new Norface or whatever. She won't get it for me.

And then we're like, yeah, me too, me too. Yo, fuck that. We're going shopping. And then we just go out and we start being people out, robbing them. We used to rob the Chinese man, like all the time. Like to the point where they didn't want to do deliveries anymore. And we had like this huge criminal scheme when we were little that we would, since this big apartment buildings, my boy lived on the fourth floor of one building.

And you could connect through the roof. So we would order food to this building right here, rob them. And then go up through the building. out and then go into my friend's house and just eat. We have fucking like $20 or whatever. But to us, it was a lot of money at the time, you know? And you wonder why Chinese people are racist in New York. Yeah, I mean, you know, you can kind of empathize a little bit.

Yeah. Yeah. And were you all Puerto Ricans? You're Puerto Rican. I'm Puerto Rican. Yeah, there was, Puerto Ricans, blacks. There was a lot of Albanians. Let me tell you, the Albanians are ruthless.

Like, Albanians, the Irish were ruthless. Like, there was, it was like a good melting pot, you know, but mostly, Puerto Rican and black and like that, you know? Yeah. And the Dominicans are really known as the drug dealers amongst the New York Latinos. Puerto Ricans used to have it in the Bronx. Yeah.

Guys like Boy George, you ever heard of him? Yeah, definitely. Yeah, George Rivera. He was like a massive heroin kingpin at like 20 years old. Puerto Rican dude. I have a friend Big John. He trains Amanda Serrano, the women's boxing champion.

Big John was one of his soldiers. He was like one of his right hands And he did a whole bunch of time So yeah, I know about his story well, yeah How old are you? What did you grow up? 45 Okay, so you do remember the old era

When like I lived on 183rd in the Bronx When buildings were completely torched Like they used to call them crackhead mansions And we used to like creep in when we were little And then we would see like crackers They're lighting up and all that The drug dealers would I don't know if they would like get raided

And just light the building on fire higher or what it was, but it seemed like that's what was happening. But it was just a time where all of these buildings in the Bronx were just burnt down. It was like, I don't know what was going on at that time. Well, in the 70s, it's well known. The landlords would, the buildings were so underwater. They were worth less than what the bank would give it to them for. So they would torch their own buildings to get the insurance money.

So that's what started it. And then in the 80s, you know, with crack and, I mean, it just got worse before it got better. Did you ever like see that era What the 80s was like in New York I see pictures all the time It's fascinating It was like bro It was like you watch a fucking

These video games That the kids play with the zombies I swear to God bro That was real life Like that crack shit took people soul They were they were fucking zombies Bro They were walking around soulless

Like gone And it was it was tough man It was tough seeing that as a kid You know Yeah your dad got hooked right Yeah my dad when I was four years old, he used to lay down carpets and he was making good money doing it. He was a good dude too, but he had a friend that put him on to it and boom, he was, I believe it's mental health issues though, why people use drugs.

You know, because I worked as a mental health worker for a short time and I realized that when they're off meds, they will do the craziest shit. But when they're on their meds, nicest people in the world. I maintain that like people that use drugs are some of the best people. people. They just get caught up. You know what I mean? But yeah, he got caught up and he did, he did about 20 something years, killed somebody. Yeah, my dad was, he left one out. I don't know the exact numbers because my father, he was burnt out from the crack. So he died like a couple of months ago. But something about him, he never learned English and I don't speak Spanish well. And he was just like kind of burnt out too from the crack. So he was kind of like gone. You

mentally. So I never get to really like have real conversations with him. But I didn't see him again until I was 28. So from 4 to 28, he was locked up. What happened? Drug bus, drug deal went bad. Somebody got killed. He got blamed for it. I don't know if he did it allegedly. They said he did, you know, but he was gone my whole life. And then I had a stepfather that was using cocaine most of the time beating the shit out of me the whole time. So I had a shitty childhood, you know what I mean? And that shit didn't stop, so I got older, and I got out of where I was locked up at as a juvenile,

and he smacked my sister one day, and I threw the beats on him. I was 17, so I was like, nah, fuck this. Now I'm up now, you know? He was older and bigger, but, you know, when you're young, you're like, you know, you got that agility and you're wild, you know? I just came home, so I thought I was big.

I was really skinny as hell, but, you know, for a kid, I thought I was big, you know? That's fucking wild. Yeah, anything can happen in the Bronx. You can go away from murders you didn't do. Yeah. You can stay free from murders you did do. Yeah.

You know? Did you have any homies, like, as teenagers, caught bodies? Like, did you know the dudes that were like, oh, no, he's a shooter? Like, he kills. You know the funny thing? The dudes that are shooters, they usually get caught for, like, a gun charge. The ones that actually body somebody is somebody that, like, yo, he was the coolest dude.

Like, what the... What happened? you know like my boy carlos he body somebody he used to get picked on by certain people and i used to like defend them you know it was some blus that he had a problem with down the block i was crib at the time and i told him i was like yo if you got a problem with him he's from my block it's on you know what i'm saying because we had this thing where it was like we went through all wars but then it was like you're over there we're over here you know so on the cater where i'm from near gun hill in the bronx they tried to um they tried to have a problem with him one time but he wounded up

body in one of them. And he wasn't that type of dude. He was a good dude. But you know, you get your back against the wall, you know, and there's no Second Amendment rights in New York, you know? So it's like, if you want to defend yourself, you're a criminal, pretty much, because that's how I caught my attempt murder charge. I was in a situation where I had this, this dude that I had beef with was from a block that it was when I was younger, I had problems with them. And we ran our whole childhood. because every time we would turn the corner, it was like 30 dudes right there ready to kill us, bro.

It was, bro, it was because of my cousin. My cousin knocked out this kid and James Sneaker store on a block. He had an argument with him, punched him. He fell into the sneaker rack, all that. Turns out this kid's brother is in this gang, KFH, and they were like the ones that ran the neighborhood and we ran for a couple years, you know?

And I had my friend, Buggy, rest in peace. He died. He used to defend me. He knew them. He was real nice with his hands and he used to defend me. But it sucked because they would never give you a fair one. They would just jump you every time. So it was like every time you turn the corner, 30 dudes are like running after you.

It was rough, man. Childhood was, it sucked in the Bronx, you know? So then how did you catch an attempt murder? Memorial Day weekend is almost here. And it's time to kick off summer right. When I'm getting ready for the first big weekend of summer, total wine and more is my go-to, especially when I'm firing up the grill with family. I'll grab refreshing beers, easy drinking wines, and some hard seltzers for the cooler.

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And we caught a case together. And once we got caught, it was an assault on police. I didn't know he was a police officer. I hit him with a 40 bottle. We were having an argument in the grocery store. And we were young. He was a grown man. So he was fighting my friend.

So I just hit him with a 40 bottle, stupid move. And it turns out this dude is a police officer. So when that happened, we ran and left. Police come to my house. So I'm like, these motherfuckers ratted on me. So it was on from there, you know? And then people had went to their house. It turns out it was somebody completely different that told on us where we live and all that.

But we started warring with each other. So one day he's in front of my building and he has an argument with my sister. I got to preface at first. He had a, he's seen my sister one day. She was with a boyfriend, thank God. And he tried to press my sister like, yo, when I see your brother, whatever, he was like in her face. So her boyfriend had a fight with him. he actually whipped his ass.

So after that, you know, somebody in the hood that you have problems with goes up to your sister, it's on. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's nothing to talk about no more. So I have my little Pearl 2-5. I'm young. I think I'm gangster or whatever.

And I went to meet up with this girl in Long Island and she was like, yo, come stay with me. So I was like, I'm going to go to the house and get some clothes. I go to get the clothes. This motherfucker is in front of my building. So I'm like, you got beef with me you got enough nerve to be in front of my building.

So I get out the car. We have an exchange. I can't say too much because I had an attempt murder case for it. So I don't want to get too into these. I mean, statute of limitations is way over because this was in 2000. But I mean, it turned out to be a shootout, right? I got shot too. And the craziest thing, because of this whole situation, because of this situation,

when I was in the hospital, since I had the assault on police, they didn't want to give me my clothes or anything. So when I went to court for this attempt murder case, and mind you, they're telling me that he died. They lied to me in there. They're like, oh, yeah, it's murder. You're charged a murder. I'm like, murder, what the fuck?

Like, he died, and they're like, yeah, he must have, but they were fucking with me. I didn't know. I was shook. So I'm in a sling, and I'm in, you know those, the hospital gown with the ass out. And then I have like these slippers

But they're like They're not actual slippers They're like what the nurses Wear over their feet Because they took my clothes And threw it out That my mother gave me Because I had that assault

On police charge before So the cops said Fuck this dude So I'm in there With a sling shot In there And I go into there And the first person I see

Is the big shot caller From the person that I shot Block So I'm like I'm fucked You know So I told him I was like, he was sitting down.

He was like, hey, what's up? What you doing here? And I said, I said, I just let your man have it. And he was like, who? And then I told him. And he was like, oh, he's not my, he's not from my block. He hangs out on my block. Started laughing.

I was like, what happened? So you guys, you guys both pulled out? Yeah, yeah. He started dumping. Yeah. He survived. Yeah, he survived. Obviously.

Yeah, yeah. You got hit where? I got hit on my shoulder. Oh, it's a good place to get hit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's why.

Was that your first time being shot? Yeah, it was my first time. The crazy shit about being shot, like, I don't know if you know about this, but my arm was like Popeye. It was like, it was like this big. It just blew up. And I had to hold it up because on top of that,

I tried to hand the burner to my so-called best friend and he pushed it back to me. Bitch-ass motherfucker. And I had to go up the elevator and try not to touch stuff, you know, to leave a trace, to go. Nobody was home.

My fucking luck. So I had to open the door and drop the shit in the garbage can come out without touching anything. Because if they know I got to the house, now they're going to search. I went to like a neighbor's door and I just knocked on the door and fell because I couldn't like hold myself no more. And the fucking dude, his wife comes out. She's like, oh my God, oh my God. Call the police. The dude is like, nah, no, no.

Mind your business. New York shit, bro. So he's like, nah, no, no. I don't want to get involved with that because then now, oh, maybe you're ratting on somebody or you're getting involved in a real situation. and they'll come and kick the door in. So the lady calls. I'm laying there. I have blood from here down.

You know what I mean? And the cops come first. They're asking me questions. Oh, you know who did this? You know that? I'm like, can I get some help first? You know what I mean? Like I'm incapacity to hear.

I can help you better if I'm not dead. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? So then they, yeah, they took me to the hospital or whatever. And were you in super pain? No. surprisingly you go into shock and I felt no pain. So it's almost like breaking your arm.

Like when you break your arm, it all swells up and shit like that. I never broke my arm like that. Yeah, that's what I've heard. That's what I've been told is like it's kind of the same sensation. But I've also heard that if you're not in pain, that's a problem. If it hurts real bad, that means your nerves are still working.

If you're not in pain, you might be bleeding out or something like that. But that's fucking crazy. So what happened to dude? Where did he flee after you hit? Where did you hit him? So he got lucky too because I shot him here. And he still to this day, I was a bullet in lodging his cheek.

So it never came out and went in the bone. And mine just went in and out. So I got lucky, you know what I mean? So he ran off? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I was trying to get rid of mine. So I don't know what his situation was. But, and the crazy.

thing about that is when I got to court, I'm, you know, like, I'm in this sling, like I said, and looking like a fool, bro. I must have looked so crazy, bro. And for the first time ever, I heard of a lawyer, like, when the lawyer spoke, I understood what he was saying. Like, as a kid,

I never understood what they were saying. It all sounded like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And the judge was like, the judge was like, yeah, but we already let his co-defendant out, or not co-defendant, but whatever you call like the person that you're against. And he said, um, he said, yeah, but you can't keep my client in if you let him go.

But he said, if we let one go, they're going to go right back at it. So worse, um, they start talking a little bit more. And he was like, all right, you can go. I'm like, what? I was like, wait a minute. I'm not getting a murder charge. And he said, he said, no, it's a tent murder. He's like, what are you talking about?

And I was like, they told me he died. And then he was like, no, he, he went home. He was, it's, they lied to you. I was like, why the fuck would they do that? You know what I mean? But I guess it's the COs trying to fuck with you, you know? But, um... So it's almost...

They almost treat it like a fight. Like it's a fist fight. Yeah. Like mutual combat. Yeah. Basically they just didn't give a fuck about us. So they're like, go ahead. If they kill each other, so what?

You know what I mean? But in that Bronx courthouse, dude. They've got to be slammed with shooting murder, attempt murder cases. That's wild. Okay. So then how did that... Did you do a bit over that? No.

Because it was, it was... like it was word against word. So it was like, you can't, if, if nobody's going to testify against each other, they can't do anything. You know what I mean? So it was like that. So I remember that they don't leave in the courtroom. Like I called my mom through the lawyer's phone and I'm like, mom, getting out.

And she was like, for real? And then she was like, just jump in a cab. So I'm standing out there on 161st Street by Yankee Stadium in a sling and this with my ass out in the back. And like, I must have looked so crazy. crazy, bro. And you know, you know, my, my hair was looking crazy. You know, the mug shots, they make you look like the worst piece of shit. You probably look like a damn movie star in yours. I look great. I look great. My hairline was like fucking Puerto Rican down to like my, you know, I looked just like a piece of fucking ass. I love my mugshot, dude. Yeah, no, we didn't,

we didn't go through any of that shit. They always made me look like I was the motherfucker that did it in my pictures. You know what? Yeah, right. You know what the key is? you smile in your mugshot. Oh, yeah. I had a guy. I used to, I was bid, I bid with this dude who's been in and out all his life. You know what I mean? Like real hard rock from, from Philly.

And he would smile like ear to ear in his mugshot. Because he's like, I'm not going to let these motherfuckers turn me into, you know, like make me feel bad. So I'm going to turn it on, I'm going to turn it on their head, you know. Yeah. So that's fucking master psychology right there, bro. Well, it comes from from experience. Were you a little bit older when you did that? Or you were young and had that.

This guy, I was 24 and I had a shitty attitude like everybody that goes into prison their first time, right? Just why me, porn me? And all the 40-year-old dudes like this guy, they were like, no, you got to fix your attitude. It's your attitude that's a problem. Yeah. So, and that's, and that just goes true for everybody that's not where they're at, where they want to be in life. So they got a shit attitude, you know? When you were locked up, did you feel like, like I don't belong here?

these people are fucking dumb. Yeah. Yeah, I was very in my mind. I mean, I was cool as fuck with most people. But in my mind, I was like, these fucking animals. Like, I'm a real criminal. I wish I had gone to the feds. Like, almost instantly when I was, when I hit the yard in state prison, I was like, I'm, I should be around real criminals. I used to say things to people that was like, I knew I didn't belong and they hated about me. Like, there was this shot call the Latin King shot and call her. And he was like, we were talking about our bids. And I was like, I got a two flat and he was like man that ain't shit man I got seven years

in I got ten more to go I'm like you proud of that bro like I'm going home in two years I don't want to be you bro like and nobody everybody's looking at me like yo he's crazy like and it was just like me being truthful I wasn't even trying to be like tough or anything I was just like bro

I'm going home that's good I don't want to be you the real OGs like the real motherfuckers would always empathize and encourage with you if they were real motherfucker. I was in the county jail facing like five years

and I'm spinning laps with a dude who went to my high school but he was 20 years older. He'd been fighting the death penalty for three years in the county jail. It's torturous and I'm like belly aching about my stupid little fucking drug charge.

And he goes, that's something. Like don't get me wrong. Yeah, no, two years even. That's a lot of time. But I'm facing the death penalty. Like that's the way that like an OG talks to like a youngster. That's like a good dude, even though he might have, you know, bodied a couple of people. I can relate to that. Because when I was in Gawanda, when I was up north, I used to work out with this OG, Mr. B. He was 73 years old, black dude. He was in the Attica riots.

He, he, it was said that he killed the police officer. He got hit at the parole board at least, like, I think it was like 10 times. He had like 30-something years in. I don't know the exact math, but I know he had like 35 years in or something like that and he would not, everybody would tell him Mr. B, just tell him you did it and that you're sorry and you'll go home. And he was like, I will not say it because I did not do it. And he winded up going home after like 40 years, like close to when I went home on his own terms.

But I used to work out with him and he used to live heavier weight than me. He was 73 years old, bro. He was training me and lifting way heavier. So I could relate to that a lot, bro. They said he killed a police officer? Yeah, they said he killed one of the cops in the Attica riots. Oh, in the riots. Yeah.

Yeah, those old dudes, don't they make you feel like a bitch? Yeah, they're up so early and they're working out twice a day. And I'm like, I just want to sleep. And Mr. B, he wasn't in no gang, none of that shit. And the blood's kind of like, you know, bloods in New York, they run the prison system. So I was Crip. It was not easy. You know what I mean?

A lot of people told me, yo, bro, why are you Crip? Like, you're Puerto Rican. You could have just put your feet up. Like, why would you do that? But I was stupid, you know? I was like trying to be hardcore or whatever. But, um, okay, so talk about that real quick. Okay, the Bloods and the Crips in New York is wild to me because I'm a West Coast cat.

That's our thing, you know. So how, when did they first start popping up in New York? So the Bloods were popping up in New York out of nowhere. They, they, it was crazy. They were like expanding so fast. And what they would do is, they would tell you, um, do you know what time it is? And if a person looked at the time, they would cut their. face, bro, girls, old ladies, it didn't matter. And I could not get with that program, bro.

I could not. I could not respect it. I could not fear it. I just, I was had that mentality, like, a underdog mentality. I think it's because I was always outnumber when I was young, so I can't relate to the favorite. I always was an underdog, you know? So. There were 15 innocent people. Innocent people, just as an initiation. And in jail, they were ruthless. When I was in Rikers, they would start. about this was before I was in anything. I went to Rikers, right? For a short time, a couple of weeks. And, you know, the way they have the seating and everything, if you sit in the wrong seat, they'll stab you. If you, you know, like, they controlled the food. Like, because the CEOs

in Rikas, they didn't control the house. The head gang leader controls the house. So, the head gang leader controls the food. You know what I mean? So if you're like somebody that had a problem with them, not like a rival gang, because if you're like Crip or son, they're going to cut you and you're out of there. But like they'll starve you out. And all the good food, they'll like take extra and then leave you little slabs or whatever. And you can't stand up to them because it's 15 of them in the house. And it's like probably 10 other people or whatever, you know? And the crypts were the only ones who were going against them. The Latin kings were in the beginning. And then they wound up choosing it up. And then it was fucking

lights out after that, you know. Right. Which is the opposite of how it originated in the street, I believe. And, you know, the comments will call me an idiot. But I think. Oh, you're right. I think the Crips were first, like on the street, Tucky Williams and the Bloods came about as a reaction to the Crips. But in New York, it's like the opposite. It's the opposite. The Bloods were so dominant that people started turning Crip. And the only reason why I turned, same cousin that started all the fucking drama when we was a kid, he was Crip. And he went, this is after I have my tent murder case and all that.

And I have respect in my neighborhood because of that. Because, you know, if you let your thing fly, people are going to be like. I'm not messing with him, you know? So my cousin came home. He did a bid for robbery. And he was Cripp. He came home Cripp. So there was no Crips around, just Bloods.

But he's claiming the shit, walking around with a bandana out his back pocket and all that. He's in the park one day. He gets ran out the park by the Bloods. So he comes to me frantic. I'm driving. I had my little Ford Exploder at that time. And I was hustling at that time.

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It was all about the Asuzu's and the Ford Explorers. No, the Ford Explorer was a hot car. And if you had that Eddie Bauer joint, you were a fucking kickpin, bro. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tahoe's, Yukons. Those were like, I never saw like, like, I know down here you guys got like, well, you're from Cali, but Texas, they have like, these crazy dunks and all this shit.

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fuck out of here, bro. Like, I'm not shaking your hand, bro. And I used to wear the flag and the fucking listen to the EZE. And I used to hit licks in the blood neighborhood with the fucking Dodger jacket on. And I'm like, there's like 15 bloods. I was hustling in Rockland County. And I was getting a hundred of gram at that time. I thought I was like big dog because it was like so much, you know.

You selling powder? Yeah, powder, heroin. You know, I was, yeah, it was coke and dope I was selling. And, um. What was better business? I was in a Ford Exploder when I was just selling the soft white And then once I got to the dope

To the heroin I was in the Navigator I was like I graduated you know But I think that if I didn't get If I didn't graduate to heroin I think I never would have got locked up Because someone The guy, the connect who I love bro

Connect you know I love this dude They wanted me to rat on him I was like fuck you I love that dude Had me in a navigator I was like strip clubs bottles, fuck you. I'm not ratting on him.

Who was he? But he was, he was a, he was a, he was in New Jersey and he was a big time. And people were ODing off his dope. So that's why I got bagged. Because I was in that pipeline. So they wanted to grab me because I wasn't as big and to rat on him. And I was like, fuck you. I love that dude, man. Hell no. But yeah. So he was a black guy? Yeah, he was a black guy. Yeah. And it was like tan, East Coast heroin. Yes. It called the tan, right? Yeah. Yeah. We never had, we never saw that on the West Coast. It was in the 90s and the 2000s. It was all tar heroin,

Mexican tar heroin. So you didn't have people that sniffed. There was never nobody on the West Coast, especially in Oregon. I'm actually from Oregon, Portland, Oregon. Oh, yeah, that's right. It was all junkies. It was all pure stone stumped down,

fucking shoot it in your arm, dope fiends. Because you can't really sniff tar heroin. That shit's already melted down. So that was one of the differences. I don't know what it's like, I don't know what the dope game's like now, but there's a lot of money in heroin. So I'm going to ask you a question. Yeah.

So I had a test. Before you got locked up, I feel like we get these tests before we get burnt. I had like a, I had these two situations. I had one situation where this chick was pregnant and I always served her, but I didn't know it was for her. She always told me it was for a man. So one day she says, yo, can I, you know, do me a favor? Can I get some extra today because, you know, I don't got money or whatever. And I was like, yeah, you always, you know.

And I was like, it's not for you, right? And she was like, look, I'm going to tell you the truth is for me. And I still gave it up. And that's one thing I regret to this day. Like, I was like, fuck, I was a piece of shit. Because I believe, I always said drug dealers, I don't believe a bad people. I think they're just, they're just, um, bootleggers during prohibition. They have a liquor store when it's not, not legal.

But that's where it got immoral, you know? And then I had a second test. Um, I had this customer. He would spend like seven grand. No lie, he would spend like seven grand in heroin with cash. And then he would spend like seven grand in checks. He had it like I was working for him as an electrician. And it always came out to like seven grand a week.

It was weird. Like I would get checked for it. So he made it like I was officially on the books for his electrician company. So there was one day. That was all for him? I was all for him, bro. He's just a user. He's not reselling it.

Just using it. Yeah. Go ahead. And I remember there was a day where he was like, yo, I need some credit or whatever. I was like, yeah, I got you. And then his girl came to me and she said, beautiful girl too, like a Barbie doll.

And she was like, please. Like, she offered sex and everything. Like, please, I'll sleep with you right now. Just don't give him anymore. He's killing herself. And I said, I would do that because I don't want him to get sick and die or something, but he's going to get it from somebody else. So all you're telling me to do is not make money from him

when he's going to buy for somebody else anyway. If somebody else he doesn't know whose potency it is, and he could OD even easier. So a couple of days after that, I see him, and he's like injecting it until the veins, just his whole arm was like, I felt bad. I actually did. His arm was like green. And I was like, bro, what the fuck? And he was like, yo, I can't find a vein.

And his whole shit was just like all green and poked everywhere. And he asked for more and I still gave it him. and I got locked up a couple of weeks later. I think God said, fuck you. I gave you two opportunities to show some decency, and now I feel like that's why I had to do my bid. Man, I never, I never sold hair on, and I wasn't that deep in the Coke game,

so I can't relate to that. I feel no regret about any of the drug shit I did. I feel bad about the home invasions. That's what I feel bad about. I had a home invasion. That shit is, bro. Yeah. Well, you got invaded.

Yeah, yeah, we, we, you know, smack down a dude's door and beat him up and gagged him and tied him up and, you know, put a gun to his head and shit. And I would wake up when I was doing my bid for drugs. Oh, oh, in the middle of the night. And I'd be like, oh, my God, I'm already in here. Because I would hear about dudes already doing bids that would talk about their crimes or however, like crimes they never got popped for. And then the state cops would walk in and arrest them, re-arrest them. for, I mean, think about the nightmare of that, you know. So I feel bad.

So I'm like, okay, I definitely. And when I thought about that way, I'm like, oh, I definitely deserve to be in here. Maybe not for the weed, but I definitely needed to sit down. And I still feel bad about that, you know, and I hear about like the trauma. Like I heard you talk about Matt Cox's podcast. And he was talking about how he got, he got, you know, robbed at gunpoint in his house. Like how much it actually fucks with a person. And, yeah, and I was like, oh, yeah, that's bad, you know.

I'll tell you, I'll take a bullet right now before taking a home invasion. Yeah. A home invasion is a mental. It fucks with you because it's like, you're not safe anywhere. You know what I mean? If they could get you at your house, you're not safe anywhere. Getting shot, I felt like Superman after that, you know? Yeah, yeah, for sure.

We actually fucking dapped it up. Yo, no more beef. Wow. Yeah. Like, we saw each other on the street and I was like, yo, what's up? And he was like, yo, I don't want to do this no more. And I was like, all, fuck it. And we just dapped it up and it was over.

Yeah, it was crazy, bro. I'd rather get home invaded. Yeah, I've been home invaded too. We got over it. Yeah. But it was a little different, you know. We didn't have kids. We didn't have.

See, we didn't take it seriously because we were white boys. So we didn't, we were imitating what we heard and saw, but we didn't see death the way that, you know, cats from the Bronx saw how real it could get. So we never really believed it. I didn't even really believe in prison. I'm like, there's no way. So you just felt like they're going to take the shit and they're going to be happy because they got...

Nobody really kills over this shit. You're going to be crazy. You grew to prison. Like, we thought how... We thought everybody thought like we did. Oh, no, there's real consequence. You go to prison forever. Nobody wants to really do that.

Yeah. So that's kind of why we didn't take that that seriously. I think for me it was because the gun is aimed at my face and other people like, shoot them, shoot them, and I looked this way and my daughter's crawling towards me. That image it fucked with me for so long

bro. And the crazy shit is at that time I had a tooth pulled and it was a chick that did it so she didn't have the strength to yank it right so she like broke the tooth

so then they had to pull it again and I was on fucking perks and shit for like a month I didn't even realize I had like a little addiction because I was on it for a little while but it made me feel so good that I started getting in there for my boy

I was like yo I need more And I was on a little bit and made me like not myself, you know, I always felt so good and I was like kind of too soft for the conditions I was in So just looking that way and seeing my daughter crawling towards me and I'm like, yo, is this how I'm gonna fucking end? With my daughter watching me fucking get my brain blown, you know like it was it was crazy, you know, but Okay, so you're Cripping That was the Cripp's that yeah was this after Rikers Island? Yeah, okay And and and now the. the bloods, the Crips, they've got a bunch of subsex, obviously, subsets. And mostly are they based

out of the Bronx in New York or is it other boroughs, too? Jersey, I know. Brooklyn was more more Crip-heavy. Some in Queens, but a lot of bloods in the Bronx, you know? Like, the Bronx and uptown were like mostly blood and then the Crips were like more down in Brooklyn, Queens. But more in Brooklyn, though, them dudes, they hold it down. So you were outnumbered in the Bronx as a Crip? Yes. Okay. And we kind of fucking took pride in it, like idiots, you know? Like, yeah, we could fucking, you know, we hold weight because there's so many of them, but we're out here, you know?

I had that little chip on my shoulder. Like I told you, like, when I was hustling, there was this building where there used to be like 15 bloods in front of it. I'll come. I have fucking easy e-playing bad loud, jump out with my Dodger jacket, hit a lick. And then I remember one day, one of the bloods told me, he was like, yo, you know you can't wear that around here, right? Like, we don't do that around here. We don't, we're not going to just bang because you quit, but can't just come around here.

I looked at him. I said, I don't give a fuck about y'all. And I just turned and walked away. And that dude when I went like this, like, look back. His eyes were like this. He was like, that dude must have the biggest gun in the world in that car. Because it was like 15 of them. But I didn't even have a gun on me.

I was just fucking dumb, bro. I was dumb, bro. Yeah, that is crazy. You were a Grape Street Crip. So the host comes from Watts. The furthest. place on earth from the Bronx. That's so crazy to me.

So I'm going to tell you the whole truth about this. So my cousin came home from this dude up north. Turned out he wasn't a real fucking great, which is the problem with a lot of East Coast Crips shit. So one day I'm at a strip club. I got the purple bandana out and I see this dude and he got the purple bandana. So I'm thinking he's like blood because a lot of,

at that time, Jim Jones and him was popular, Purple City Bird Gang. So he used to wear the purple bandana. But he was like, yo, you grape? And I was like, yeah, it was cracking. And then I'm like, yo, you fucking like purple city burgang or something? Like, and he was like, nah, man, I'm from great. And he was actually from Jordan now Watts.

But he was in the Bronx. So then I started learning from him. And then I learned everything was bullshit on the East Coast. And it's like so awakening. Then I started getting in tune with people from the West Coast and all that. But it's like, I understand why they say like, oh, these dudes are mimicking us. And I understand now as I'm older, because I didn't think of it that way, but it's like, why the fuck are we reping like your street in California? You know what I mean?

But you don't think about that when you're a kid. You're like, you know, these are my people over here and this is who I'm running with, you know? But those guys are serious, though. I mean, the bloods especially, they're pretty organized. They have a hierarchy. They have chapters. You know, did you guys have that with the Crips? Yeah.

I had three chapters under me. I had the Bronx chapter. I had Hartford. I actually had four. New Haven, and then I had Newark. I had a couple people in Newark. Didn't really constitute a real chapter, but I had a couple people in North. But the grapes are big in Newark.

Like, you know, Arsenal, the battle rapper and Shabberg. Like, I have actually a music video with them back in the days and all that. Yeah, like I was very close with them. They're fucking real grapes, bro. Like, yeah, they go over there and everything, you know. And they still rep that shit to this day, you know. But the betrayal that I dealt with wasn't them. They were good people, but the people that I had the home invasion with, I just couldn't do it anymore.

I stayed for a while, but I'm like, why am I staying in something where I get betrayed like this, you know? That was your own set? Yeah. But it was, it was a, it was, so I was boss players. So in grape, there's boss players, Peter Role Mafia, Dust Town Hogs. They were Dust Town Hogs. I was boss players, a smaller sector within it. They were, they were in like the second one, Peter Rose, the big, you know, the big one.

And once again, my cousin lent the gun to one of them. We had this whole problem with him and that person. And I'm telling him, bro, you live in Hartford. Stop making fucking problems where I live. I'm cool with these people. So they got at me to retaliate against him, you know? And he always that type of person, you know, where he always, his shit always fell on me. You know, I always had to clean up his shit because I'm his older cousin.

But this time, I want him to handle his own shit. Like, you're talking shit, handle your own shit. Because I'm cool with them, you know? But it winded up. backfying on me and I'm staring at the fucking barrel because of this dude, you know. So I still love him because he's my cousin, but, you know, I have that resentment, you know, because I always defended him and I always caught shit for defending him. And my sister always told me like, he's not your fucking cousin.

He's your cousin, but he's not your cousin. Stop fucking with him, you know? And I should have listened to her because, you know, women have that little intuition with dudes. I feel like we're more, like we're more trusting with people than women. Women will cut you off quick, you know? Like, nah, he's no good. fuck with them. Us will like, all the red flags will be there and we'll just continue to like

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You look like a pretty smart dude though Like you You ducked a lot of shit Well thank you Not sure about that But you know Yeah I always I never like to deal with stupidity

At all Like I never I didn't even think of myself as a criminal I was like I'm a drug deal I'm a businessman You know I always Had like a kingpin mindset Even though I was like

not that, but I was like, it's all about your mentality, you know. I still believe drug dealers are the businessman. They're not like, people like, yo, they're the worst kind of people who Trump wants to like, you know, send them to like El Salvador and shit. And I was a big Trump guy for a long time. And I'm starting to see some things that I don't like. I'm not against them or anything like that. But like, I don't agree with the fact that like drug dealers are that bad.

You know what I mean? I think once you commit the crime of like tying somebody up and you know, shooting them or something like that. Now you stepped into another world. Yeah. So how do the, how do the Crips and the Bloods in New York City, how does that relate to the motorcycle gangs

you got involved in? So that actually came after. But, you know, you have people that are like, still affiliated, but, like, you got so many people that are, like, were blood. They're still in their set, but they're, like, now in a club. Or they're crip, but they're in a club.

So they're still affiliated, but they're in clubs too, you know? Right. And I was like that for a while in the beginning before I, like, decided to stray away from it. But, um, I started in this club to click because my boy, Arson, um, who now is a, is a, he's an unknown biker. He's a, he's a one percent of now. And they, they're, like, big in New York, the unknown bikers. They're like, they're like, I know you know, like, you're from Cali,

so like the Vagos are like, yeah, they're like the Vagos, but in, I see, in New York, you know. And they're based out of the Bronx? Yeah. Well, Brooklyn, Bronx, yeah, but they started more in Coney Island and Brooklyn. Yeah. These dudes, man, when I was, I learned a lot under them. These dudes, bro, I've seen situations where like a girl, somebody will grab a girl's butt, the girl smacked the dude. They'll fucking stomp the girl out. Like she's a dude. Like, bro. Savage shit. I remember because I was in their support club for a while. I remember, they're telling us like, yo, something's going on. Keep people from jumping in. I turn around. I'm holding people back or whatever. Turn around. It's a girl getting stomped the fuck out. I felt weird about that. I was like, you know? Equal opportunity.

Yeah. Yeah. That's wild. Yeah. So are they made up the unknown bikers? Are these like Hispanics? Yeah. A lot of Hispanics, yeah.

Is it Puerto Ricans? Yeah. Yeah. I would say it's like a heavy Puerto Rican club. But you could be white in it. You could be black. Right. Yeah.

It's diverse, you know? That's the thing though. You know, like I know you're probably familiar with this, but the East Coast, we don't really have the color lines like that. I mean, like, you ever seen a movie. Bronxdale. Of course. So that's really how it is. Like Webster Avenue, that's black. Like, you know, and this Puerto Rican's there too. And like little Italy, that's Italian. It was really like that. Like if you go down on this block, you know, the Bronx is like that in general, though.

You walk down the wrong block. You're going to just get fucked up just because. And it's always the littlest dude. Like, yo, yo, what the fuck you doing over here? They send the littlest dude, right? Joe, Pesci. Yeah, yeah. I'm telling you. They send the littlest dude. Yo, fuck you doing here. and then they all jump on you, you know? That's how it always was, you know? But yeah, that's like that separation on the East Coast isn't really there anymore. Like there's a little bit of it, but like you can be like in Cali, you can't even function together like in prison, right?

And when I was locked up, it wasn't like that, you know, but it's different in prison in the East Coast because it's more like Bloods and Crips. But since I was Crip, Puerto Ricans were scared to hang out with me because they didn't want the Bloods to think that I was trying to recruit them. So I used to show with the Trinidados. Because in New York, like the Trinidados, they fucking run shit, bro. They're like the Mexicans kind of like are in Cali. Like they run shit, bro.

And the Bloods run shit too. But like Trinidados, nobody fucks with them, bro. Those are the Dominicans. The Dominicans, yeah. Dominicans, Peruvians, like kind of like Latinos in general, you know? But a lot of Dominicans, yeah, like heavy Dominican. But there's Puerto Ricans in there too. So talk about your first bid when you got caught.

you were selling dope. You were selling hair on, right? Not skid biz, right? Just bid. Yep. So you were there, you were slinging dope. Were you doing well?

Were you good at selling drugs? Yeah, I was doing good. I was doing real good. How much hair on were you getting from your connect? Um, I wasn't like doing pounds, but like a pound here and there or whatever. I wasn't like fucking.

That's a gang of heroin, though. Yeah. You know, it's not much weed, but it's a lot of smack. I know. Did you know how to cut and all that? They were giving it to me a ready brick-th up. And I always was telling my connect, like, yo, just give me the, you know, give me about a gram or whatever.

And he wouldn't do it, man. I would have been a fucking, I would have been super rich if I got it by the gram, like, if I would have got that connect. But it was so risky. What do you mean by the gram? Because he was giving to me already bundled up. All right. Okay. So, yeah, explain how, like, normally.

Tens and then do you sell it by 100 or whatever? I just sold about 100, you know, like 10 for 100. Yeah. Yeah. So was that the same for you? Or you was just doing pounds, right? Like straight up, like big shit or? Yeah, I was selling pounds of weed.

I didn't even know how hair on. Always. I never even seen hair on, you know? So, so yeah, you sell it by the 100 pack. Yeah. That's what the hundreds are. It's 10, 10 little baggies. Yeah, 10 little baggies and is rolled in the one.

Did it have a stamp? Did you have a stamp? Yeah, I had a stamp. I don't remember what the stamp was, though, because it was always, something different. He didn't have like, oh yeah, it was like a smiley face. Yeah, it was like a smiley face. It was not, it would change though. It would be like different things. But um, and then could you move like how many hundreds were you selling a day? Um, probably like 10 on the weekends. It would be like 20, 30. Like the weekends were like crazy. Like, you know what's crazy? I don't know if you did this,

but when I was hustling, I would not do shit on the weekend because it was so much money. My boys be like, yo, we're going to Miami, we're going here. And I'm like, nah, I got to work, bro. Like, did you do that or did you enjoy your time? Like, never enjoyed it. Always business. I did that too, bro. That's the kind of the ironic thing about the drug game is like, you're supposed to get

all this money to enjoy it, but I can't because my phone's ringing. Yeah. Yeah. So you're just curbed, you're just serving. You're just curb serving. You're just curbservant. You're not, you don't have any hair on spots. That kind of, that game is already dead by the time you're in there.

Right. It was cell phone. They call me. If it's not a certain of my. I don't meet up with them, you know, and we would just meet up or whatever. And yeah, that's how I did it? And how did you expand your clientele? I started working in this bar and this dude had a whole operation and I started working for him.

And I had this customer that, this is how I started selling in the first place. I had this customer saying like, yo, he never delivers. I hate having to come into the bar buy a drink, wait a while so it doesn't look suspicious. This spot is suspicious. I don't like coming here. You should get your own shit. So I was like, hmm, that. That's not a bad idea.

So I started getting my own. And he would wrap it in aluminum foil, right? The Coke. And he would sell three for 100. And it was just a little bit, bro. And it was like so much money. So I started doing that. And then I would add mines in and then sell it.

And then I started getting like little customers here and there. A lot of it is word of mouth. Like they'll tell you like somebody that you rely on that's like, you know, that always comes to you. They're like, I got somebody. I'm like, yo, they're like, they're not a cop, right? you know, and there are people that you've been working with for a while and then they put you on to the next person.

That's how I kept expanding, you know? Plus, one of my main suppliers had a tattoo spot and the dude could not tattoo without being fucking blasted on heroin. It was crazy. He would mess up tattoos if he wasn't on heroin, bro. Like, how do you have more focus on heroin, bro? Opium just keeps you straight, keeps you focused. That's wild.

See, yeah, it's heroin. I always thought it was. was like a junkie skid row street thing. Because on the West Coast it was. Like if you're already skin popping, like you pretty much, you're on your way to losing it all. But like with that tan shit on the East Coast at the time,

there were a lot of functional heroin addicts. Yeah, they were functional. They had businesses, yeah. That's crazy to me. And it was so much money coming in because he had the tattoo spot. So like everybody who wants something, he calls me, yo, I got, let me get 10 of them here.

I'm like, damn, bro, you use all this? she's not, it's for, you know, my friends or whatever. And they were all paying for it. And he was like, you know, yeah, Guido, he was a fat Italian dude. But would you eventually see your customers start to suck up, as we say, start to get skinny and start to, you know, just degenerate as their habits got worse? I feel like it wasn't. That's weird because I didn't, to tell you the truth. Like, I seen them get more degenerate, but not like crack where it, like, you know.

could see they turn into a fucking zombie and they lose all the weight and all that. So what does that mean? They were more sniffing it than like shooting it or, but even my boy Brett that was shooting it. He was like big. He worked out. He was always partying. And he used that shit a lot.

Yeah. So I don't know how they were functional. Is that weird that they were functional? Super weird. But it probably didn't last. Like, you know, fiends come in and out, you know, they, it's, unless they got off of it. Yeah. Yeah.

They're headed for a bad end. Or maybe they were sniffing it more than actually, you know, shooting it. Yeah. Well, that's what all the junkies say at first. They're like, no, I'm cool. I'm just sniffing it. You know, and that eventually, uh, you know, you don't get high enough. So you usually start tying it off unless you get off of it. You know what I mean? So you were making good money. Yeah. So, and you were still cripping. Yeah. So what is the crippen have to do with the drug dealing? I always ask gang members that. Why be a gang member? I didn't do with it. I was just being young. And that was, um, since I didn't have like brothers or a big family. cousins, stuff like that, I gravitated to gangs because it forces people to be your brothers,

you know? And it sucks because that's why a lot of people join. Like a lot of people would be like, why would you join a gang? The shit don't make no sense. But it's like that brotherhood shit is like real. You need that as a man. You need that fucking camaraderie because this world is so rough. You need people to be like, yo, stop being a bitch. Like man up, you know? And it's like, it sucks because I didn't generate the friends throughout my life that I could have because then like, you know, I'm Crip. So if you're my friend from the block,

I'm like, yeah, what up? But I don't really fuck with you like that. I'm not like, yo, come hang out. If you don't join, it's like, and I did that all throughout my life. Even with clubs, like when I was in a club, I'm only hanging out with people in the club. So it's like I'm not building those other relationships,

you know, so then when you leave, you're very isolated, you know? Of course. So you catch a bid. one of the customers from this heroin pipeline ODs, right? No, he doesn't OD. People are ODing because of my connect. So they locked me up. They build a case on me and lock me up to try to get me to tell on him.

Okay. So what did they have on you? Was this the state cops or was it New York Task Force? Who locked you up? It was just detectives, you know, regular detectives. Right, right, wasn't the feds. So what did they put on you? Possession of a controlled substance.

they caught me with a whole bunch of stuff in the car, man. I was fucking arguing with my baby mother, like an idiot. She just threw me off. And I had too much shit on me that day. And they busted me in the car. But I was supposed to meet up with this customer and this customer set me up. He was like an informant or something like that.

Yeah. It's typical. Yeah. It's typical. And I was so on point for so many years. And I got rattled by this girl. Because she was like saying she was pregnant. And then she had like a fucking, she had this like five month abortion.

and it was like a lot of people were telling me that it was probably somebody else's kid you know it was some crazy shit bro wow yeah wow okay so you got it was just a buy bust basically that they pinch you with yeah so you go to rikers first no this i'm in um at this time this is i'm in rocklin county so this is this is an area above new york so you know you have more money because it's harder to get the shit you know so a lot of people like i don't know if you're familiar with the palisades but it's by the Palisades Mall. A lot of people think that's Jersey,

but it's like Rockland County, New York. I think it's specific palisades, Los Angeles, but. Oh, okay. Oh, my. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because you got the big palisades. Just the bourgeoisie douchebag. All right, so you went and did,

what was your sentence? Two flat. Okay. Yeah, easy. Yeah, it was easy. Was it easy? I mean, for me, I mean, it was rough because I was crib.

So I remember first going to downstate because they send you, they send you on a fucking world tour. Did you go on a world tour when you got locked? Or was it like boom, boom? No, I just sat. Fucking New York, like I was in the county. Then two weeks later, I'm in Downstate. Downstate, so downstate is very locked down.

It's maximum. And it's like where they send you to whatever jail you're going to go to. So I'm there and I had the fucking tattoos and everything, you know, because I was fucking super gangster. So I'm sitting there and this dude is like, yo, what tattoos that? He sees it and then I had like a dough boy And I had two money bags with the with the purple bandana

That shit was everywhere too bro Yeah And um He's like oh yeah like that And then he goes like this And he has this big blood fucking shit I'm like fuck it's on now So after that day

Everything was like quiet after that day When I went in the mess hall It was like everybody was looking at me I was a fucking rock star bro I was like one of these dudes is gonna try to stand me bro Like I was just looking at me bro like I was just looking at me bro like I was just looking at me bro like

I was just looking at and everywhere, I'm like, yo, everybody's blood. And then they're like doing the calls and they're like, I'm like, fuck, he's blood too. He's blood too. Fuck, everybody's blood. The fuck. Nobody wants to join another. And you know what's crazy? I learned being up north, all these dudes,

they're Muslim because they know there's a lot of bloods because I didn't know the system like that. And they were, they were crypts, but they weren't claiming. And they were like, oh, I'm Muslim or whatever. And I would know because they would have these names that are crypt names, like clock instead of block and stuff like that where they flip the B into a C, but they're Muslim. You know what I'm saying?

So I'm like, uh, smoke with the blood. So they just say, I'm Muslim. So that kind of gets you out of the gangbang, right? I would like to say that they were smarter than me. They would be in real here. They were fucking smarter than me. But, um, yeah. So, um, from there, nothing happened because downstate, they fucking, I remember one time,

two dudes were talking about blood stuff and the, they called them the turtles came through and fucking totaled them. with batons, like fucking destroyed them. And they were like, everybody look fucking forward. Anybody looks, you're getting the same shit. And like some dude kind of peaked, they fucking totaled him. They like, they kept the standard where like, we run this shit, gangs don't run it. Once you go up north, you know, that shit is over.

But from there, I went to shock. That's where 50 cent went. 50 went to shock. So it's a program where in six months you go home. So I'm like, this is it. I'm going to be a fucking military dude and deal with. bullshit and I'm out of here in six months got fucking denied because

I had the assault on police on my I got probation for that but it wasn't assault on police it was assault because he wasn't on duty so they couldn't give me that but since it was on my record it was considered a violent you can't get shocked without that and it was crazy because

in shock since it's like military there was this funny time where these two bluds they were kind of like talking shit to me or whatever and they would always stand together in the line and they're like yeah yo it's going to be on soon, bro, and I'm like, all right, whatever. So this D.I, they call him D.I. Says, yo, are you two fucking faggots?

Why are you always fucking together? He was like, you know what? Fucking hold hands right now or you're out the program. And they made the program. So they were going to go home in six months or leave in three years because they had the three-year max for that program because that was the least time you could have to get that program. So it's hold this dude's hand or do three years.

so they're fucking holding hands. I remember the time they got in line together again and they were talking shit to me or whatever. And I'm like, I'm like, fuck these dudes, you know? And the D.I. said, oh, you thought I was fucking playing last time. He said they were talking in the mess hall. He made them feed each other. He was like, you two, since you two are fucking faggots,

you're going to feed each other. And they sat there and fed each other. Everybody's laughing. That's how bad they wanted to go home. Yeah. But you didn't get that program. You didn't get shocked. I got Seth to Gwanda.

What's, okay, so what is state prison in New York like? So I went to Gawanda, they call it the projects because it's like two big ass buildings or whatever. And it was like, I kind of like Gawanda in a way. That's weird to say, but it was like, it was like a dorm because it was like a long hallway. And then you go in each room, there's like three to five, you know, people in the room or whatever. And I was, like, it was good because if you get into a fight or something, you know, people keep it between each other. you just bang out and nobody rats on nobody so you could get away with it. Sometimes people do it in front of everybody and throw, you know, everybody under the bus.

But I remember I was with this dude. He was 6'9, German dude. And he had the ball head, everything. And he was like, he was like the funniest dude I ever met, bro. Like a legit comedian. There was like Dominican dudes that would say certain stuff in Spanish. And he would be like, did he just call me? and he would say every syllable,

but make it something funny. That fucking dude made my bid so much easier. When he went home, I was sad, bro. Because he was just so fucking funny. Like, how funny do you got to be to have people in prison in the worst situations

for getting there in prison because they're just fucking crying, laughing, bro? Yeah, funniest people in the world that ever met prisoners. Yeah, man. Yeah, they don't hold back. Okay, so you just skated through then? You didn't have to gang bang or anything?

So in there, like, there was probably like 12 of us that was Crip. But there was, all right, so there was Horvus and Jaba with two lifers that were Jamaicans. They weren't Crip, but my boy, Kat, that I was, all right. So when I was in juvenile, I was in Lincoln Hall. I was locked up with this kid and he was there. We met each other again as adults in fucking the worst kind of situation. But Cat was there for seven years. He fucking stabbed somebody.

He's a Crip. he's fucking respected. So he sees me. And like, um, like when you first get in there, like you got to prove that you're really crypt. Like you got to know your knowledge and all that.

So they're telling me, you know, like, yo, so what's this? What's that? So I'm telling them or whatever. And then he sees me. He's like,

yo, fucking, you know, he calls me by my last name and shit. Yo. And I'm like, cat? And he's like,

yeah, and we fucking hugged. And I was like, fucking thank you God. You know what I mean? Because if I didn't get embraced by them, the bloods will sooner or later to cut you and then you got to leave, you know?

And those dudes were so real, but the fucked up thing was like, they're all Jamaican. So that's why they really like stood tall because it was Jamaicans and then and then the Crips, you know, because all the Crips were Jamaican too. And it was like me, I was like the only Puerto Rican and there was another Dominican that was Crip. So I'm sitting there. They're all talking in their language and like the only ones that I could really hang out with was them for the first couple of months or whatever.

So like, and I'm like, the like Puerto Rican dudes are like, yo, how did they embrace you or whatever? And I was like, I started talking to my boy cat. And I was like, why did I get embraced by like the Jamaican culture? And he said, bro, you're from the Caribbean, you're Puerto Rican. So he was like, you're part of our culture too. So I was like, oh, shit. Like, you know, I never looked at it that way.

I thought it was a different island or whatever. And they were just on, because they were like from different Caribbean islands too. You know, they weren't all just Jamaican. And I had this like window vision like, oh, they're Jamaican. Everybody's Jamaican. But really they're all from these different islands there or whatever. But yeah, the bloods were big there. There was a time where I was lucky because in Gawanda was like one of the only prisons in New York at the time where Crips really had like a stronghold.

Not a stronghold where we ran the prison, but we were like we were respected. It wasn't just like you go to Wyoming or one of these other prison. while you're cuffed coming in they cut you when you're out of there it was like that. It's really like that? Yeah I remember when I was getting shipped around like when I left and I was I was in Windy and Windham

that's a maximum and they just kept shipping me around before I went to Gwanda and I got cool with this crib and I remember all the bloods were in this one shit in this one holding cell and they were like announcing everybody that was going to Wyoming all the bloods were going to Wyoming and this one

crib, yo, bro, I shed a tear, bro. I was like, that shit devastated me, bro. That dude's fucked. He's getting run off. Like, he's done, bro. So they'll slice you. That's how they remove you from the yard

to the main line? It's not like, you know, like California, like, they'll slice you for being a rat. You know what I mean? Which is justified. But in the East Coast, they just slash you because you're their fucking enemy. Which I don't think is honorable, bro.

I think you should get that kind of treatment if you're like a fucking rat. You know what I mean? So instead of like, trying to stab you like they do in Cali, let's say. They flash you over there. It's a slash thing, yeah. How do they get, they call it a buck 50? Because they say

that's how many stitches you need to sew you up. Yeah. So up your side of your face. It's brutal. Did you ever, like, witness the aftermath of that? Yeah. I remember one day on the street, I've seen it in prison too, but in the street, the first time I ever saw it when I was young,

I'm walking with my dude and he's like arguing with this kid and he's like, yo, so what's up? you want to do they start fighting he's being his ass handily all of a sudden they break it up and then he like grabs something for somebody and then he like goes like this and then all of a sudden my boys like this and he's like you come me you come me and he was just beating his dude's ass like so easy and like boom his shit just yeah and it was like so in prison what are they doing how they getting in these these little razor blades well they give you razors in in um of course the regular razors you shave with so they're making shit but people were getting bangers and all that you

you know. I can't believe they, in a place where buck 50 is like the code, right? That's like the law. They haven't figured out like, oh, we got to,

we got to give these guys electric razors or something. Like they still give them fucking sharp-ass razors that they know they're going to cut people with. I think they're better than the West Coast with not letting shit in that'll fucking take you out though.

Because I think the West Coast, you guys get fucking real weapons, you know? I think it's harder to get the real fucking pokers in prison. In county jail, it is. but no, you can get a poker anywhere

when you're doing a bid, when you're the big house. That's crazy. So did you keep your shit on you when you knew there were a bunch of bloods around? Yeah, I remember it was weird though because the first time I got approached by blood, he was like, yo, homie was popping.

And I'm like, yo, what's cracking? And I took my razor and I was like, yo, he's not like that here. And he introduced me to the Crips. That shit don't happen in New York prison. So that's God. Like, I got to give that to God, you know what I mean? Because that shit, like, that was luck, bro.

That was luck. I could have been like that dude, right in Wyoming, getting cut as soon as I get off the bus, you know, or having to cut somebody to not get cut right away, you know? It was just, yeah, I was lucky, bro. Really lucky. And all those dark situations, too, I always thought I was so unlucky. But then I look back on it now.

I'm like, yo, I was fucking lucky, bro. Because so many people had it so much worse. And it's like the bloods, yo, they were devious. Like, they would cut their own all the time. I remember like something that would happen all the time why bloods would get cut they would tell them to do a hit

right and they're ready if somebody that's ready to go home that's why it's so ruthless bro if that's your brother and he's about to go home why are you sending him on it bro like to get a new charge they didn't get a fuck about you

so they wouldn't do the hit they would hit them you know it's just like bro and it sounds like they don't usually kill somebody when they're hitting them with a razor it's to scar you it's to maim you crazy. Yeah, that's what it's really about. You're right. It's not really to kill you. It's still like

to maim you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You just did this pussy and that his whole face has opened up. That's true. That's wild. Are these like the children of like the crack era and they were themselves were cracked babies so they don't have the business acumen to be drug dealers? They're just going to be psychopath killers. They, I think they are the mentally unwell. I remember when I was in on, because they made us this fucking ASAP program, because I try to lie and say, oh, it was personal use. I was using it all. They was like, yeah, you never been to a drug program. Like, no. What did they get you with?

How much smack? I forgot because once they, like, boiled it down to, like, what was real and not, like, shit that they put in it, it wasn't that much. That's why I only got two years. I don't remember exactly, like, because I don't have that, like, old paperwork, because that shit wasn't fucking. But it was just grams. I can't imagine.

I can't imagine it was an ounce even. No, no, it was less than ounce. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I forgot what I was saying. So you were doing the drug program. He tried to say that it was personal use. I'm doing the drug program. And I remember I was taking like this allergy medication, larididine, I think it is. And it always had me like sleepy. Like I'm always in. And you're in a fucking drug program. Of course I'm sleeping. Like this shit is the most boring shit in the world. So this black kid was like, yo, sleepy, look at sleepy sleeping again. And they all started laughing. So I'm like, oh, fuck you. And then he starts reading. And he's like, oh, Duh, bu, duh.

And I'm like, so when they tell me it's time to read, I started doing it. I'm like, duh, uh, cat, uh, uh, and they're like, yo, man, that's fucked up. And I'm like, what? I was like, I'm reading. And they're like, yo, you're making fun of him. And I'm like, bro, he reads like he can't fucking read. And, bro, they were going around a circle. I can't read.

I can't read. I was like. How wild is that? I was like, y'all motherfuckers ain't graduated from second grade or third grade? In America, bro. Yo, bro, we're all grown in. I was, I was like, I was like, are you serious?

No, like, seriously, you're not joking around. None of you guys can read. And they're like, no, we're serious. That's some fucked up shit you just said. I said, bro, how the fuck did you get past second to third grade? And it's like, I was the bad guy, though. That's when I knew. I was like, I'm fucking destined for better than this.

I'm done with this, like, low-level gang-bang and shit. Yeah. But the system is where these people live. Like most ordinary people don't see it. But like it's within these institutions that this whole underworld of, yeah, just like dispossessed, marginalized, no education. Do you think there's a correlation with not knowing how to read and crime? For sure.

Yeah. That all. And like his drugs and poverty and trauma and all of it builds on each other. And, you know, people don't know any better until they get older, until they get older, until they been in the system for decades. Yeah. And then, you know, everybody grows up. Everybody's got to grow up sometimes.

They're like, damn, I wish I didn't kill that dude. And now it's too late. The dude that I winded up getting into the shootout when I was younger, the whole 10 murder case, he actually was in a mental home for a long time after that. So he was, like, insane. So I was dealing with a straight-up maniac in the street. And it's like, a lot of these people are like, do you think that they should be in mental facilities instead of prisons?

At first, yeah. Before they even commit the crime? I mean, it depends. These homeless people that are running around everywhere in every major city, they should be a mental institution. Yeah, that mentally, oh, for sure. And I don't know, there's a whole, what I think should be is, I mean, we could go on all day.

After you get out, is that when the motorcycle club comes into play? Yeah. Okay, tell us about that. I just was, I needed that camaraderie shit again. And I was so disconnected from everybody. I was in this fucking bubble. Didn't trust anybody. And my boy, Arson, was like, yo, come to the click or whatever.

It's not like that gang shit, bro. You could get the same shit. There's girls in it, too, you know? So, yeah, it was like all these pretty girls. And it was a fun thing. And then being in that, I wound up progressing to get into the 1% because it was just like, you go into a, if you're in a support club for a 1% club, you go into a spy, you got to shake everybody's hand.

do the respect shit. When you're on 1% you just walk in. You don't got to say shit than nobody. That was more of my style because I was crimped my whole life, you know?

Sorry, when you say support club, explain what that is. So a support club is a club that is underneath a 1% club. So they answer to that 1% club, you know,

so they wear a support patch saying like, this is who we run with, you know, this is the side of the track we're on. And are they called the same thing? Are they under the same banner? Yeah,

they're under the same coalition. Like there's different coalitions. Right. I see. So like an easy one a lot of people know was 81, right? Hells Angels and then you got 81 support. So if they got the 81 patch there underneath the Hells Angels, they're an 81 support club.

So it's like the farm system. They're like the farm team for the one percent or? Yes. Okay. And in some cases, they're the real ones that put in the work. You know? Really? Like, yeah, they'll have certain clubs that are support.

A lot of times when you hear like something involving an enemy of the Hells Angels, like if the Mongols, the Vagos, anybody like that gets into something, a lot of times it's the support club that is the one that acted for the Hells Angels. Because the Hells Angels are smart. They got their name is such a name brand that people want to be down with them. So they're like, nah, you can't be down, but you can be affiliated this way. And then it's like you want to prove yourself. So you get in that circle. So they actually are the ones that like do a lot of the shit, you know. In their hands dirty. Yeah. Okay. That makes sense. And there, there's so many rats. in the Hells Angels and those big clubs down,

that it's, yeah, farm the workout to somebody else. Yeah. Oh, that's crazy. Okay, so tell us about, yeah, real quick, break down the motorcycle club culture, the 1% culture in New York City. Are there still Hells Angels there?

Yeah, there's Hells Angels in New York. Okay. Where are they based out of? A lot of them are like in Long Island. They're in New York too, like down by the Hell's Kitchen area and stuff like that. But, I mean, they were at like, we saw the Indian Larry's.

They'd be deep over there at Indian Larry's event. You know, Indiana Larry? Oh, what is it? He was a famous, he was a famous motorcycle, what do you call it? He built, he was a builder. He built the bikes. And he's famous because he used to, like, ride on the bike like this. And he built, like, amazing bikes.

And every year he has, like, an Indian Larry event. And they're over there deep or whatever and all their support clubs and stuff like that. Yeah. But New York, you're talking about just New York? Yeah, yeah. New York. I mean, New York City, there's no parking. So I imagine they're probably in the boroughs.

Yeah, yeah. There's a lot of clubs everywhere though. In New York, Pagans are real big. Unknown bikers are real big, dirty ones. There's a lot of clubs that dunderguards. Like, yeah, there's a lot of clubs, you know. A little bit of Mongols, not too much. I used to go to their national parties when I was NTR.

I used to go to their national parties and stuff. And do you think amongst these 1% clubs, just a guess, how many members are actually involved in a legal activity? So, all right, so this is what I like to say. It's more like, all right, so it's more like the type of crime that they're involved with is not like this 20 people in our chapter, let's start this criminal empire. It's more like this dude right here sells drugs. He does his thing.

This dude right here got into a problem with this club, so now we're beefing with them. So our crime is like we're attacking them. they're attacking us. Now, are there different clubs in different areas that may have their shit together like a chapter? Yeah, that's happened throughout history where they got some money together.

But as far as like the whole club as a whole being a criminal enterprise, it's bullshit. These people own businesses, they work. Like, they're tough dudes, you know? But it's not a criminal empire. Like a true, I'll be honest with you, I was trying to do that.

Like I was of the mindset. When we were sitting at the table, it was like 50 of this year. everybody's arguing and talking about stupid shit. I'm like, how about we talk about, like, making money? It's like 50 of us, bro. If we put our minds together, we put money together, like, what could, like, we could take over, like, do crazy shit.

Like, what's up? And they go back to arguing. What was some of your ideas? I was saying, like, illegitimate stuff and legitimate stuff. Like, instead of having a clubhouse and we're paying dues, you know, paying $100 a month, and you have all this money, for dudes to have a clubhouse, why don't we have a business, and we'll have our meetings downstairs from the business, have a restaurant or club or, you know, something, you know, some

bullshit, you know? And what was the, what were some illegal ideas? Just like, um, hustling or, or like, trying to like, um, I never wanted to do like stealing bikes and all like that, but like, because I have more of a hustler mentality. So I was thinking like hustling or whatever, you know. What about extortion? Are any of the guys involved in that? Nah, not on not in the club I was in

Okay, so it sounds like 1% clubs are made up of A lot of dudes And their culture is outlaw Like riding the bike You know 50 deep down 6th Avenue New York like that's some outlaw Fucking shit that makes you feel alive

Freedom so And a lot of these guys just happen to be Involved in illegal activities Independently and then they come together and then sometimes they network and do dirt together and then sometimes shit just spills over and then they're involved in maybe murders of rivals in different clubs.

But it wasn't formed to make illegal money the way the mafia was. Yeah, you're exactly right. I see. I see. Okay. That makes sense. Yeah.

It gets glorified because whenever there's a shootout of son, of course that's like a major thing. But as far as being a criminal enterprise, I just, I don't see it. I saw a lot worse when I was Crip, a lot worse. Yeah. But I know in California, they got shit going on, you know what I mean? But like on the East Coast, it's more like stuff goes down because it's a rough area,

but it's not like we got together to get money, you know? Money is not the root of it. Right. It's more like brotherhood, brotherhood. Because people are fucking backstabbing each other left and right. Because you know how dudes are, bro. Everybody wants to be king of the jungle, you know? that president patch so many people you'd be surprised how many people care about that i never cared about

it bro i was a sergeant arms like all throughout in a one percent club which is a position where you have to actually be the one that you know gets physical with people and stuff like that and um i never was impressed by a patch like oh i want this patch to seem like i'm better than people because really nobody gives a fuck you know only you between your little circle but other people don't care you know what your patch was. So it depends like in that world it is important. Yeah. So tell us about the patch you were you had. Like how did that work? So the patch that was important to me was the 1% diamond patch because that's like that's like the Navy seals of MC culture. You know what I mean? So I was proud of that. You know? And in the club I was in like some clubs when you get fully patched, it comes with the diamond. And mine, my president was like you have to earn your diamond separately. You know what I mean? How do you earn that?

So you just putting in work, showing that you're loyal to the club, you know? Me personally, I was like a kind of handsy person. Like, we would go out places and stuff like that. And people would get close to the president and our backhand them. Shit that I didn't really have to do. But I was just like trying to show them that like, I'm not going to let nobody get close to you. You know what I mean? And just showing force and, you know, fighting and stuff like that when it comes to it, you know?

And to me, that's regular shit, though, being in the Bronx, you know? like, but it wasn't, it wasn't like too much shooting or anything like that, you know. Sometimes it comes to that, you know. We had our time where we had tensions with the Hells Angels too when we first were in Connecticut and stuff like that because when we first put on the Diamond Patch, there was this member that left the Hells Angels and came to us. That's how the beef always starts too, bro. I always told people, if this dude got all these problems, why you let him come here and

bring the problems? Because he got 40 dudes that come with him, so they want the numbers to look tough. but then you got problems with them, you know? Right. And he wound up leaving the club anyway. So, you know, all that stuff got squashed. But yeah, you have tensions with these big clubs sometimes, you know, over shit like that. How many, tells the name of your club again?

Thug riders. The thug riders. So how deep were you guys? So it's a multi-state thing, you know? It's in a lot of states, you know? So to say in exact numbers, it's kind of hard to say, you know. You specifically in New York. In New York, in New York, I was in, New York had like 15, but when I moved to CT, we had like 50.

So, yeah, CT is where I spent a lot of time with T.R. And, yeah, we had like 50 at a time, but then we broke up in the different chapters. I see. Yeah. So you were small compared to, like, the Mongols or the Los Angeles. The way they are in Cali, they're fucking huge, bro. So I have a lot of relationships with them because I do interviews and stuff like. that and I have personal relationships with people when I go out there they really like hold me down

because you know California's the type of place like if you don't know nobody you could get into some you know real problems I remember um Trod he was a national the bagos I interviewed him and um he's he's been like a big brother to me and um he actually um said I'm gonna throw you a party so this is this is like 45 minutes before he says I'm gonna throw your party he goes a call listen we're gonna have a little get together we go to uh we're in tammy Mecula, yo, bro, there was like a hundred of them, bro. Like, not exaggerating, like a hundred on call. Imagine if they got actual problems.

How many people are coming? That was just to hang out. I was fucking blown. I was like, damn, these motherfuckers are deep. The Mexicans are deep. Yeah, they are. I like those dudes a lot. Like, they've, like, times where I was out there,

they, like, always, like, make sure I'm good. The manga's, too. Like, I'm close with a lot of them, you know? Like, they, they, um, I interviewed, um, junior he was the national president of mongos he went away for killing a hell's angel for many years he's like the sunny barger of the mongols and he's like an awesome mentor like he teaches me so much shit you know so i've learned from some like real heavyweights you know when you're in the game or what now just through this podcast well in the game i was still in the game with that and then now out the game

even more you know what i mean but i was meeting the same people when i was in the game you know So now that you're, you get patched in, your sergeant arms of the thug riders, um, it's so crazy to me because New York, Manhattan is so gentrified. It's so catered to tourists. It's very safe, more or less. There's crazy people in Times Square. Time Square is priming as shit. But like the fact that these biker clubs exist kind of on the periphery still, like it's very like,

it's very 90s, you know, no, where do you guys? kick it at, like dive bars and... So it's not like the gangs, I feel like the gangs are clear and present. They're on the avenues. You see them. They have more of a presence. Clubs are like in the warehouse here's. You know? Because it's hard to have a clubhouse

where all the bikes making noise and like a real like area where a lot of people live. Except for the unknowns have a dope clubhouse like in Coney Island. That's kind of cool because Coney Island's like, you know, the amusement part and all that. So that was always fun going over there, visiting them. But also New York's

to find big real estate that you can afford to where it's going to fit all these bikes. So yeah, you usually got to be a little out of the way. Yeah. But do you ever have problems? Like, do you guys ride through like blood neighborhoods, crib neighborhoods, drug neighborhoods in the Bronx? Yeah. It was never that crossover problem. Right.

It's two different worlds, I always say. Yeah. Like data, I've never seen the two paths cross, you know, like where it's like, it's just, I don't know, we're just like. Because, like, young, you know, street, hood, thug dudes shooting at each other, they don't ride motorcycles. And why would they be, like, in a warehouse area, you know? Right, right. They're taking the bus most of the time, you know? Yeah.

Like, in New York, that's the crazy thing about New York. Like, because transportation is so good and there's so much traffic, like, you got dudes wearing fucking $1,000 jeans, $500 Jordans, and they got no car. Right. They just jump on the bus or the train, wherever they go, you know. You shoot somebody, you jump on the train. It's crazy. So when you, now that you're in this club, are you still doing dirt? Are you still making money illegally?

No, I squared up once I got in the club. When I got in the club, I was like, I became, that's why I say, like, people say, like, the 1% shit is always like some, like, gang type shit. But I disagree because I lived it and it was not what people think it is, you know? A lot of these people own businesses, too, like legit businesses. So they make a lot of money and they don't have to do that shit. You know what I mean? Kind of like the mob, like getting into.

casinos and stuff like that. Like they like legitimized more. I mean, I know they still have their shit, but like it's different. You know, you think the gangs or excuse me, the clubs, the one percent clubs now, they're less illegal than they used to be? I would say they're still illegal in a small sense. Like, like, you know, not having liquor licenses and shit like that. You know what I mean?

And the clubhouse having all these, you know, strippers and that type of shit, but not like real danger. I would say if you're in a clubhouse area, it's kind of. safe because they don't want that shit. They don't want the heat around there. So if you're like fucking up in the street, they'll, they'll fuck you up. You know what I mean? Like I've seen that where we had to handle shit in the local area because now they're

looking at us because like they were doing like this after hours thing and it was right by the clubhouse and they like were fucking up, fighting, shooting and stuff like that. So automatically the club will come down on you if you're like in that area because now you're making it look like there the attention, you know? So that's where they help the community. and they're not going to be like making people feel uncomfortable and stuff like that because they know like people hate that the bikes are loud and stuff like that so they're more inclined to look out for the community you know do you remember a couple years ago i think this is like right during the pandemic or right after the pandemic the president of a bike chapter in the bronx he was coming out of a gas station and he got straight up like assassinated by two dudes with silencers and yeah they just let him have it i think they were like in a jeep or something. Do you remember when that happened? So I know him and his big, my big brother is a pagan.

He's, he's big in the pagans. That dude was a pagan and he was the blood. And they knew that that shit was about to get real. Because now he was going to put the bloods on bikes. And that shit would have been, checkmate, you know? So that shit was strategic, bro. No shit. That shit was strategic, bro.

So who hit him? That was the support club. Oh, so somebody within the pagans hit him? No, no, no. The support club at 81. Okay. Yeah. Oh, so the Hells Angels.

Hells Angels. The support club hit the pagan president. Yeah. That dude, he was about to checkmate shit in New York. Wow. Yeah, that was, he was dangerous, bro. They, they, they, they, they saw that coming. They from a mile away.

It was, that shit was shocking. It was shocking. You saw it like, the security cameras picked all of it up. Yeah. And you couldn't believe that shit like that still happens. So there was another one. My big brother was actually caught up in the one. there was another one at a gas station where you hit like the Hells Angel on the head with the with the um sledgehammer or whatever or like I forgot what it was like a stick or something and he but it was his helmet but he was hitting him in the head he was in that case yeah it was in Jersey they killed him no he didn't kill him he just had him in the hospital okay so what would have been and this is where I disagree with the contention that these are not criminal organizations and I kind of argue with George Christie when he was on my show he's a good friend of mine he's a good friend of mine he's a

He's a great guy. He's a great, great guy. But, okay, if this pagan president is about to put on all these blood gang members that are whole existences to do illegal shit, would you not agree with that? Yeah, yeah. Then how is it not a criminal organization? How are these one percenters not? Well, it would have been if he would have succeeded.

Right. Yeah, it would have been. But then you pull the most criminal shit to not make it be a criminal organization. Do you see where the logic is kind of flawed there? You're right. You're right. I'm an accountability person, you know what I'm saying? Like, anything I do that's wrong.

Like, that's why I'm not one of these people that's like, I used to be like, fuck the police, all that shit. But I look at it like, anything I ever did, it was my fault. It's not the cop's fault for locking me up because I did some, you know, illegal shit. That's their job. Yeah, so I just look at it different. People get mad at me for that, but I'm big on my channel. I talk about accountability.

If you do some shit, it's your fault. It's no one else's fault. You know what I mean? Yeah, I agree with that. I felt like that one that got locked up. I wasn't like, oh, it's his fault and his fault. I fucked up. I got caught.

I was stupid. Yeah, me too. God. So the hardest thing to do is live with your own mistake. And the hardest thing is like, it's easier when you have someone to blame. Yes. You know what it was hard for me? I thought I was good at it.

And I was like, I suck at it. You know what I mean? I got caught. And so many people were in prison like, yeah, man, I did 10. Yeah, I did that. I'm like, you fucking suck at crime, bro. It's not good. You're supposed to not get caught, bro.

I always had that mentality like, yo, we're the fucking dumb ones, bro. I don't agree with that though because even the smartest guys get caught. That's true. You had the whole force of the law and that government apparatus against you. What chance do you have?

That's true. Long term. You can do some stupid shit together. It's usually when you let your guard down and do some shit that you wouldn't do, that's usually what leads you to get caught. But it doesn't mean you're stupid, but you fucked up.

And all you got to do is fuck up once. I think you're right, because they know what we're doing. they want to busters, they can bust us at any moment. Because they know everything. And with the tech now, I don't know how people are doing now, bro. Yeah. With the tech now, I mean, if they want you, they got you.

I mean, they caught those dudes that killed that pagan president, I believe. Yeah, they did. Yeah. So, no, actually, though, I think that was, they were masked up. They never got caught. They never got caught? No, no. That's wild. I mean, it doesn't seem to be dissuading

all the cameras and the, uh, what do you call it? you know, facial recognition and the DNA. And it doesn't seem to be dissuading these fucking kids from the Bronx that are running around killing everybody, everything, every day. I'll be honest with you, bro. I think it's the food and stuff like that. Like, I think, I think there's something about New York. There's something in the water.

There's something in the food where there's a disconnect. Something's not right. All you guys do is brag about how good your tap water is. have you ever had New York tap water but everybody's like we have the best tap water you have a lot of chalkout stop it I'm gonna tell you some of Puerto Rican shit

I'm from Portland Oregon we have the best runoff pure tap water I've heard that before that New York supposed to have the cleanest water I heard Trump say that have you ever went to Chochai Beach it's called Orchard Beach in the Bronx

bro you could find you could go to the beach and see a boot in the water bro it's bro it's so bad that if you step in the water, it could be like this much water. You cannot see your feet, bro.

It's, bro. Run off. I don't know what they're talking about. Bro, imagine saying, let's go to the beach in the Bronx. Imagine you have no shot of not ever being trash, ever not being trash if you go to a Bronx beach. I remember my friends used to like, when we were doing music, we would be recording to like three, four in the morning.

And I'm like ready to go to bed. And they're like, yo, let's go to the beach. I'm like, get there. the fuck out of here, bro. Like, they would always, it'd be like an hour and a half that they were like coerce him. And they were like, all right, fuck it. We take the bus to the beach.

It's still dark. We fall asleep. Wake up. We're like, yeah. It was fun, but I was like, I would have never did that shit. And we were in, we were in Chocha Beach. That's what they call it. Chochia Beach.

Which is Puerto Rican for pussy. Yeah. That's funny. Chocha Beach. That's what we call it. Is there a lot of Chochia there? Is there a lot of Chowcha there? Bro.

That's one thing the Bronx has abundance of. chicks of the women are fire bro oh yeah fire bro no fuck you they'll they got issues they got kids at home they got a baby daddy it's up north oh man i remember when the dominican girls first moved in bro to new york i was like oh my god thank you god for the dominican republic it was crazy crazy and they had like the light skin ones and the dark skin ones but the lighter skin ones with the long hair dark black yeah bro these great these great girls had the bodies that like these girls in LA pay for they have it that's one thing about LA I noticed though like I always looked at like because you grew up out there so you know like

I um I always thought LA women are more beautiful but I've noticed like New York women have better bodies yes because natural they're walking around everybody's walking everywhere yeah they don't have the surgeries in New York like that not as much I don't I don't see it yeah all the girls in and Cali they got the lips the tits you know I like it I don't know I got none to But they it's not they don't naturally have it in New York. There's a lot of girls were like fat ass. They got the bodies, you know. Yeah, I agree.

The 1% gang that you were part of. How long were you a 1% or before you quit, retired? And why did you? Why did you retire? So all together in the culture, I was probably like 14 years. And 1% probably like 6. The reason why I left is because my mentor, he was the one that really helped grow the club

and since I started doing the YouTube show a lot of people started coming to the club and he got ran out and I didn't like the way he got ran out it was a lot of politics so how did he get run out? He started growing in power too fast because I had the show

people were like yo I want to get down with you bro I like what you talk about So I would give him the number. He called people who were opening up in Ohio and all these places. Yeah, they just had a big RICO too, all those people that I brought. So I kind of feel bad about that. But, you know, they were living that life, you know, so it's not my fault. But they were good dudes, though.

But, yeah, they just had like a big RICO case or whatever. In Ohio? Yeah. So some chapters are more criminal than others, clearly. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But you're the bike gang, the, what do you call them?

Thug riders. The Thug riders are expanding because of your YouTube presence. At that time, they were. Wow. Yeah. Wow. But they were, um, we were mostly like more East Coast, but we had other places like Texas, Florida.

It's a pretty big club, you know? Yeah. But it was at that time, it was expanding a lot. And like my mentor, he, what he did wrong was like, he, um, he started getting everybody that got down with us to, like, come in this corner, you're with me. And we're like in this power struggle thing. So he had his shit. that he was doing wrong too, you know?

So there was that power struggle and he wound up getting pushed out. And when he got pushed out, I was his guy, you know? So it was like the writing was kind of on the wall for me, even though I was in the club longer to him. And I was getting success with the YouTube and stuff. So I just said, fuck it, I'm out too, you know? Yeah.

I didn't want to leave, but, like, there was just like the writing was kind of like on the wall for me. Like the people in power were like not my guys. You know, like I wasn't their guy, you know? had that little resentment towards me. I didn't really have any resentment towards them at the time, but they thought I did because I was his guy, you know, so it was just part of them. It's kind of like a fraternity, you know,

when you have that many people in a group and a hierarchy like that, and you're with like rough dudes and a lot of them have criminal records and some of them are criminals, like you're going to have that in turn, that infighting. Yeah. You know, George Christie the same way. He kind of got ran out of his own chapter of the Hell's Angels. And he was basically president. Yeah.

He's a legend, though. George Chrissy, yeah, he's big. What's your opinion? Do you think he's a criminal? Who, George Chrissy? Yeah, do you think he was doing dirt all those years? As far as, like, banging out and all that, yeah. Because he was, like, training, you know, like martial arts and all that.

So he was shorter, but he was fucking nasty with the braw fighting and shit. Yeah. But was he, like, plotting on murdering people and blow, you know, firebombing stories? like they accused him of? I think that if you move on them, they move back on you. So I don't think, I don't think George Chrissy was like the one initiating.

I think sometimes people would make moves and they were like, you know, the hell's angels like, yo, we're the top dogs. So he's just trying to maintain the level of respect they had. So I don't look at, I mean, he's an outlaw, you know?

So he's not going by the law, but, you know, but I think he's a good dude, though. He got a good heart, you know what I mean? Like, did he do stuff in the past? Like, yeah, I mean, I've done shit that I'm not proud of, you know? But I don't think I was like, the only time that I thought I was a piece of shit was those two situations I told you.

So when I was Crip, I was kind of like a piece of shit too because I would like, people would come to me, yo, I want to turn Crip. I'm like, for real? So you got to put in work, go rob this person. I would do shit like that. Like, make them prove themselves to me, which is fucked up, you know? And I started realizing, like, sometimes they would do it and then they would get locked up or they'll get beat up by the person.

And I'm like, damn, I'm putting this fucking kid in a situation, you know? So, you know, those were the times where I think I was, I was fucked up. You know, I can, I can be accountable for what I was wrong for, you know? Right, right. Yeah, yeah, I think it's such a waste of money. Like, when you look back at, like, all the money that the government spent, like, the ATF, like, infiltrating these bite gangs, like, they were the mafia or something. Yeah. I think it's such a waste.

I think it's because it looks sexy. They hang up the cuts. And it's like, look, you know. Yeah. That happened with, um, I took a lot. out of heat because you know Judge Grady. Wait, Judge McGrady, I think his name is? I don't know. Sheriff McGrady.

He's like, he's, he's in Florida and Polk. And he's like very vocal about like trafficking and all that. He like busts all these sex traffickers. Well, there was this pagan that I actually knew that went to pick up a hooker, right? And he got bagged and they put him involved. They put his vest on online. And they did this whole press conference and they had all these other people that got locked up. and they made it seem like he was part of a sex trafficking ring.

The dude was going to get some pussy. He was not part of a ring. But they put it all together and they made it look sexy with the vests. All the pagans and it's bullshit, bro. Like, it's political. And people love that dude because they think that he's like, he might, you know, go after real sex traffickers and stuff, which is cool. But like he's making it seem like he is when he's not.

So is he really going after the real people that's doing the stuff? I don't know. I don't think so. Yeah, probably not. Do you see that bar, that huge shootout? I think it was in either Texas or Louisiana, maybe it was Arkansas. It happened like four or five years ago now. So I'm talking about the Waco shootout at this biker bar where two rival clubs had a shootout.

17 people got killed. 17 people. That was the bandito shootout. That was in Waco? Yeah, that was in Texas. Oh, that's close to here. It's like an hour north. So everybody got off.

I just saw the headlines. Nobody talked, bro. Nobody. That's crazy. They kept water, bro. They held it. I've never seen it happen before, bro. Amazing.

Yeah, I did a video about that when it happened. Well, not when it happened, but a couple years after. And because I wasn't doing YouTube at that time. And I called it, nobody talks. Everybody walks. And I was kind of like, look, this is the prototype when some shit happens. But I, like, I heard from people that were there that it was the copy. that started shooting and made it escalate.

Could be. Yeah. But the whole thing is it was kind of like how you had your shoot out in front of your building. You guys didn't talk. Both of you guys walked out of it. That is true. You know what I mean? That's true.

And with something like that is such a complicated case about who started it that the DA was like, I got to drop it. Yeah. I think that like people, we have to teach the young like not like you got to be hardcore. You can't snitch. we gotta be like, no, like, you can't tell because you're like bringing the whole community down. Like, you gotta like instill it to him in a moral character way, not like a,

not like a, you're being tough. Because then they're like, oh, I don't feel tough right now, I'm gonna tell. It needs to be like, no, like, you probably are not going to go to jail if you don't tell. You know what I mean? You're telling they don't have shit on you.

That's why they need you to tell. You know what I mean? And I feel like we need to teach the young that more when they're not being taught, Like all these dudes, they're not being taught, you know? Well, I'll tell you what, that, when I saw that headline, this was just like last week. Like, everybody walked from that shoot. And I'm like, this makes the one percenters look better because they were infiltrated by rats and undercovers for years.

I'm like, okay, you earned a little respect back in my eyes. I remember this, this ATF agent said that every outlaw club has agents in them right now. And they could be presidents. They could be anything. Wow. So yeah, that shit is like, it's just a sinking shit, bro. Yeah, yeah, for sure. That's why, you know, it's when people do dirt, like somebody came to George Christie and they were like, hey, we want to have this dude killed.

He's like, what do I don't have shit to do with it? So, and the government couldn't pin it on him, you know. But all that shit's coming to an end, dude. The system of the United States dollar is coming to an end. Like, they don't have that wasteful shit in name of, fucking country. Mexico? Because they can't print money. They can't just make money appear out of thin air.

They have to budget. So if the United States had to budget, the federal government actually had to budget, they'd be like, oh, we can't just these non-criminal clubs or these guys that are doing low-level crime. We can't pay federal agents six-figure salaries to infiltrate these guys that like to get hookers

and maybe sell a little bit of like bootleg liquor. You know what I mean? That's the shit. Like all these Rico's and where do you really see like the real time coming in they'll they'll like lay out all these guns and shit and like a lot of guns illegal they're not even illegal bro

It's a fucking shit and then they're like 10,000 dollars and it's like bro They didn't even have 10,000 dollars a piece Like the fuck you got a full 10 G's You got a half a kilo worth of money out of this whole club It's crazy bro losers dude Yeah losers the fucking feds are I fucking hate them

I hate them. I hate them. I hate the fucking military industrial complex. I hate the prison industrial complex. You faggots, you losers, you can't make money in the free market. So you fucking leach off the government. And the only reason they can do that is because they're able to print money. And that's why what Trump is doing right now, even though it's crazy, he's collapsing it because it's the system is broken.

So anyways, you know, you know this is going to lead to me saying, go, by Bitcoin, right? Because, because... Just going to ask you that. So you believe Bitcoin is the future? I know it is. It's like a person in 1870 saying, wow, oh, the railroads are on their way out and pretty soon we're going to be driving vehicles. Because they had a set tapes. Exactly. Well, I don't know that had cassette tapes back then, but they had electricity. Like a person 1875 saying, oh, electricity is going to, we're going to be in these moving,

driving cars and everybody's going to... Like, the smartest futurist, back then predicted that. We were all going to be on phones. So I know what's happening. I was saying cassette is like when I had cassettes and CDs came out. I was like, nah. I thought cassettes would last forever. And my boy was like, nah,

CDs is going to make cassettes go out. And I was like, nah, how's that possible? And you don't see any of that. CDs are not even around anymore. I saw this video from a NASA scientist in 1960. That was a long,

fucking time ago. Yeah. And he's like, this is a supercomputer. This is what they call the internet. Yeah. he's, he's like, this is what they, they're back. And they're like, one day, everybody at home will have a computer hooked up to this main computer. He's, he's like, this will happen. Literally. And it happens. So you, have you ever seen this stuff on TikTok when they show the old school world fairs? And people are like this. And they zoom in and it's a fucking cell phone. crazy bro wow yeah there's some crazy like that just photoshopped like no bro it's like actual pictures they're like yo take the picture yourself and zoom it in like they find little dense where like

this tech has been around since the 70s and even before that right there's this this like huge conspiracy i don't know if you ever went down conspiracy rabbit holes but there's this conspiracy that we had all the tech and then they did like a like a rework on everybody because nobody really knows their grandmother's grandmother and stuff like that so they're like took all the tech away and then made us start over and then like they're like little by little showing us the tech because you know the CIA the feds had cell phones and all that back in the days you know for sure yeah yeah yeah oh yeah I mean I'm not that deep into conspiracies but it's fun yeah yeah for sure but my point is with Bitcoin is that so what's happening now is Trump's collapsing

the stock market to weaken the dollar which will eventually have to be backed by and he's going to reprice it to gold, meaning our dollar's not backed by anything now. That's why you can just print billions because it's a debt system. You just print. So he's going to have to back it by gold. But gold is not good enough because they can manipulate it. They do. They say they have more than they have. So it will just naturally have to come about that Bitcoin will be the world's underlying currency. And they'll still be the US dollar and they'll still be the Japanese yuan and they'll still be the Argentine peso. You're basically saying he's ushering in the New World Order.

Not a New World Order, a decentralized order. New World Order makes it seem like it's... But New World Order is one world currency. Yeah, but it's... Yeah, it's not currency. It's money. Currency is the shit that you pay with. Money is what backs it.

So when things were the best in all of human history, it's when it was backed by a hard money. It's like the Roman Empire, the Denari, was backed by gold. they were gold coins. When they, when governments got greedy and wanted to make war, they started putting fake gold on the coins. And you track it.

The society started like a hundred years later, everything collapsed. So when you start fucking with the money and not backing it by something that's, that's, that's real, that takes real energy and it's really scarce and divisible and all that shit, that's when the society phrase. So,

I don't know if he's doing it on purpose, but yeah, they're crashing the, they're ushering. in a new era of sound money. Sound money meaning its currencies are backed by something that can't just be printed. Don't you feel like Bitcoin is backed by nothing? It's just air, thin air? No, it's backed by energy. It takes a lot of energy and it takes coding and hashing. And so it takes a lot of energy to make Bitcoin. You know what I mean? How are you investing in Bitcoin

right now? Like every little bit you get, you take a certain amount out. Yeah. And you throw it into Bitcoin? Yeah, and I have majority or like a little bit? Yeah, probably like now, especially now. So I just dumped, I got out of the stock market like a couple months ago because I knew this was coming. And so, yeah, I own some gold stock, but most of it, I either keep cash or, but yeah, probably 60% of my net worths in Bitcoin. So if I have money in the SMP, I should just take it out and put it in Bitcoin. Yeah, I would.

So it's going to jump up a little bit. But by the end of the year, there's going to be a huge. 40 or 50% correction. So I would dump the S&P, like as soon as you're not going to lose money out of it, I would dump it. Okay. Yeah. I just dumped like some NASDAQ today after it shut because it was down like 15% and it shot

back up. So I saw that and I was like because I'm trying to like mitigate my losses on that. Did you learn all this here, bro? Bro, just I've been always been fascinated by economy and money. And so and capitalism. And that's what got me started on my journey into selling drugs in the first place. I just love business. I was like, man, how does this underground economy work?

How do buyers find sellers and blah, blah, blah. And it's just over the years. And with the advent of YouTube, you can learn everything and anything on YouTube. So there's no excuse anymore. You know, like you can choose to not be ignorant because it's such, it's infinite information. And it's going to keep becoming more infinite. So, yeah, it's just literally I learned everything about Bitcoin. particular, starting with YouTube, and that's what started getting me reading. And now sometimes

I go to conferences and shit. So, yeah, because this is the big lick. This is where my, my grandkids will be just beyond rich because of what I'm buying now. The Bitcoin. The Bitcoin. Like, so I missed out on the opportunity, like after the, after the OA crash. I should have bought Amazon and Facebook and all that shit because it just tanked. I should have bought. But I was, was too deep in the streets. And I didn't understand I had a drug dealer mentality, right? Where I'm like, this is cash. I can't just give my cash into like the market.

But now I'm not, we're coming into like the next big, big crash. And that's why I'm like, yeah, this is my time. But, um, God, that's a fucking journey, man. That's, you really like, you went from Crip to dope boy, Harron Slinger to fucking one percenter. Yeah. So how do you identify? now? Like, do you? Like, do you still identify

as this 1% viker? I just percent of myself an outlaw, you know what I mean? Like 1% like, 1% like, oh, law, you know? Because like to me, a 1%er is you, you prospected, you earned that diamond patch, you know what I mean? Like, like Derek Jeter is a New York Yankee, he earned that. He's been,

you know, he was a Yankee. He's not presently playing, but that's what he is. He's a baseball player, he's a Yankee. I'm an outlaw, I'm a one percenter. That's how I view myself. But am I like some criminal or whatever. Nah, I'm a businessman now, you know. It's about this, this shit that we're doing right here in the future, you know? Your YouTube channel's sick. So plug, plug away. I mean, for people that don't know you, I'm sure most people watching know you by now. But, yeah,

plug all your shit, man. Yeah. So my channel was Demons Row and I call it the Holy Grail of MC Culture, a bunch of interviews with like all these diamond clubs. Like, I'm the only person in history to sit down with as many outlaws. Like, oh, what's the name that wrote that book? I forgot his name about the Hells Angels. He had like that big interview and wrote a book. He's like legend for that. Just one interview with the Hells, you know, running with the Hells Angels for a time. I've sat down with Hells Angels, Mongols, Vagos, Outlaws, Banditos, like all the big clubs I've sat down with, you know what I mean? On YouTube on my channel. So if you enter that motorcycle club stuff, motorcycles, all that stuff, go to at Demons Row on any platform. And that's Twitter anywhere.

I'm not really that big on Twitter, but like Instagram, you know, TikTok. And YouTube is the home base, though. At Demon's Row. You can follow me there. Yeah, no, it's a great channel. That's fucking sick. I appreciate that, man. I'll fuck with your channel.

Thanks, bro. Yeah. Thank you for coming down here. You're one of the few channels that I actually do watch. You know how you say like, oh, yeah, I like that channel. But, no, I actually watch your channel, you know? Thank you, man. It's a dope channel, bro.

Appreciate it. We got some, yeah, we got some big things coming down the pipe. I see. I see you. You're real fast, too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We got in right before this genre exploded. You know what I mean?

So how do we keep it? How do we keep the ball in the air? How do we keep this little racket going? Like your editing style too. I think that's what made you stand out from everybody else. For sure. Because a lot of the prison content is like, it's not well produced, you know? Well, that's where I got the light bulb moment.

Yeah. I was like, dude, I can talk about this from a first person perspective. And we can fucking make a professional. You know what I mean? Is that authenticity, bro? That word is like overused. but it's like you are for what that is, what I am to MC culture. Like we are the ones that live the life and actually dealt with the people so we can talk

from firsthand experience and people feel it. That's why other people will jump on and they'll talk about it, but they're not as big because it doesn't resonate. It's not real, you know? Yeah, exactly. Or people try to put it on a front and, you know, it's like just enjoy the content, man. It's not fucking hating all the time. Yeah, I agree.

And I get it. Like, dude, coming from a comedy background, like, I see. a motherfucker get on and he's selling out clubs and theaters everywhere and I'm like I'm funnier than that motherfucker but I gotta rein that in that that like scarcity instinct yeah you know like that's just

just hating is some bum-ass shit dude it is and you get to choose if you're a hater or not that's a fact so you know please keep keep commenting it just gets me paid yeah do remember the easy E-line Dre Day only meant easy's paid that's what I say to everybody talking shit it's like you're just

pumping the video out more. Yeah. You just, Daddy's just buying more Bitcoin. You bought my Bitcoin. Six-Soc makes me like that shit, though. I'd be laughing. People be talking shit.

Sure. They'd be dancing me. I'll fucking laughing, bro. Bro, I'll have the most official cats on here. Like, dudes, like, you just call down to this government, the DEA,

and they're like, oh, yeah, I have the files. And people in the TikTok are still like, nah. Yeah, no. Nah,

I know. I know. Yeah, it's like, go do something. Yeah, like, I've sat down with killers.

Right. And they're like, nah, I don't believe a story. I'm like, bro, you don't got to believe it. It's fact. It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. But hey, you go make another one. You go, you go, you go make another biker outlaw podcast. You don't like your shit.

You know what I mean? You go, you go do what we do. Best of luck to you. Yeah. Much is Werte. Anyways, that's my old. But so you see it gets to me. Even I, so I, shame on me for even letting it get to me.

Yeah, sometimes like, more human beings, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I just, I don't take it as personal as I do. I'm bothered by how stupid people are. That's what I'm like, I thought America, it makes me lose hope for people. When I see how stupid and base and ignorant and just low vibration people. That's really, it doesn't bother me personally. Yeah.

I think, I think not to sound like elitist or whatever, but I think there's a lot of low IQ people that can't just say, I always see somebody doing good. and I'm like, oh yeah, that's what's up, man. Like, this might sound corny, but I like watch wrestling and see somebody getting a major pop. And I'm like fucking happy for them. Like, shit, you worked hard and people are like fucking singing your song. Like, and I can't understand that hate shit. It should inspire you. Like, all right, now look what he did.

Now, I want to do my thing, my own way. And take a little bit that I learned from him. Right. Why hate him? Right. Shit don't make no sense. No, I know. But some people, that's a natural instinct with you.

Some people don't have that natural. It's like, I'll be real. Like, I have a jealous bone in my body. I'll keep it a buck. Yeah. So, like, when I was in the drug game and I wasn't at the level I wanted to be, I would see dudes that have blown up. That's how we would say, I know, he's big time now.

He blew up. You know, he's sitting on real work. He's plugged in. And I'm like, you know, I would feel, I'd get envious. You know what I mean? And that's why. What is that the spirit of competition or hate? I think what I've seen of you, I think that's competition.

You're a competitor. Fair enough. Fair enough. You want to be the best. Fair enough. Yeah, yeah. Not a hater. Like, oh, fuck him.

You know? Good point. You want to be better. You know, you want to be the best. I guess that's what competition does. You're like, oh, I can do that too. As long as you channel that into like, yeah, just not turning, letting you turn into like a depressed piece of shit who's hating online or robbing somebody.

But if you can channel that into positive energy, that's, That's ideal. You know what I mean? Because human beings have a, we have a biological scarcity embedded in us because we come from apes. We come from fucking cavemen where if this dude. I do. No.

I do. I mean, look. Could be here. Some people do. I don't think us Catholics do. Well, but I'm sure God started all of it. But it's a,

it's a scientific, you know, anthropological fact that we come from villages where if you saw a guy with a, a deer that he killed, you're jealous because you're hungry. It's like he, this guy gets to live another day and I might starve to death. So that, that scarcity is actually biologically ingrained in us. And we just haven't, we're in the modern age, but our biology is still in the, in like we're cavemen in many ways.

The only thing I don't, why don't buy the evolution bullshit? Like I think they could still be a God and then there's evolution. So it doesn't, you know, disprove God. But why are there still monkeys and apes around them if we're all like, some of the monkeys and apes, like, you know what I mean? I just think it's bullshit. I think they want us to think that we're fucking apes, bro.

I think it's that simple, bro. Like, the ones that are, like, really pulling the strings want us to think we're fucking monkeys. There's an answer to that, and I'm not smart enough to give it. But we broke off. There were multiple different kinds of humans. And we, there was Neanderthals, there was Cro-Magnums.

There was Chromagnum. I think Magnum is a condom that I can't fit. And then there were homo sapiens. and we, there's good evidence that says we committed genocide. We killed off the Neanderthals. That's possible. So it's a bloody history to get here. You know what I mean?

It's, it's not pretty. But I think it's all, God's all leading us towards like a really, really higher future. I really believe that. I agree. I think he wants, I think people who have God mistaken, too. they think that like they want us to be he wants us to be poor and just praying all day and I think what me and you are doing is why God wants us here be fruitful multiply have dominion what we're doing is having dominion we're getting the money we're building legacy that's what he wants everybody

evolve to be like truly his kids you know what I mean successful you know no I think no I think I think God wants you to be abundant and I agree and become wealthy or if that's what you're meant to be or just make the most of yourself yeah yeah that's what I think even if it's just creatively you know because he's the ultimate creator, you know. Fucking 100% dude. Yeah. All right, so, well, this was a fun one, man. This was an easy one.

You made it easy. I enjoyed it, man. Thanks, bro. Thank you, man. Go check out his YouTube, his TikTok, and just, yeah, just another great creator. So it was a pleasure. Yeah, man, I really enjoyed it.

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