The Connect- with Johnny Mitchell - Houston Drug Lord On Being Codeine Kingpin, Making Millions Every Day, Causing OPIOID CRISIS

Episode Date: February 15, 2026

In this episode Houston legend Mike D — the man many call the original King of Lean — unpacks the true story behind codeine culture in the American South. Before “lean” was a mainstream rap flex… before double cups and purple memes… there was a street-level hustle that changed Houston forever. Mike D breaks down how promethazine with codeine went from a quiet substitute for heroin to a full-blown cultural phenomenon — influencing DJ Screw, the Screwed Up Click, and icons like Pimp C, Bun B, and Lil Wayne. What started as something passed around on the corner turned into an underground empire moving thousands of dollars a day — long before law enforcement even understood what was happening. In this interview, we cover: * How Mike D became Houston’s go-to supplier * The birth of “drank” culture inside DJ Screw’s house * The economics of the codeine black market * Street wars between Houston neighborhoods * Texas prison brutality and plantation-style incarceration * The real story behind Pimp C’s death * Addiction, droughts, and what happens when supply dries up * How music and drugs fed off each other to build a movement This isn’t just a drug story. It’s a story about culture, capitalism, addiction, loyalty, betrayal — and how one underground market reshaped Southern hip-hop forever. From Astroworld fights to state prison bids… from Mercedes at 16 to moving cases of syrup… Mike D tells it all. Go Support Mike! YouTube:  @1on1wMikeDpodcast  Join The Patreon For Bonus Content! https://www.patreon.com/theconnectshow 00:00 Introduction & Mike D's Beginnings 01:20 Early Hustle, Music & Street Life 07:16 Houston's Hood Culture & Neighborhood Conflicts 17:51 Inside State Prison and Houston's Rap Legends 19:35 This Episode Is Sponsored By CashApp 21:12 Pimp C, UGK & Houston's Musical Roots 27:47 The Origins of Lean & Houston's Drug Culture 32:12 Spreading Lean Culture, The Detail Shop, and DJ Screw 38:42 This Episode Is Sponsored By Betterhelp 39:52 The Screw House, Houston Rap Scene & Lean Epidemic 45:50 Market Growth, Addiction & Codeine Business Expands 52:44 Scarcity, Turf Wars & Million Dollar Moves 59:42 The California Connection & Smuggling Lean 01:10:32 Law Enforcement, Risks, and Hustle Tactics 01:17:12 Market Collapse, Addiction, and the Opioid Shift 01:29:30 The Bust, Downfall & Lessons from the Game 01:42:43 Legacy, Chopped & Screwed, and the Codeine Cowboy 01:46:42 Closing Thoughts & Where to Find Mike D Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Brick money. Easy. What is bar exactly? It's called lean. It's called drink. It's called bar. I call it the devil's blood. Because once you take a sip, it's over.

You started out drinking it. Were you even selling it? Or were you just giving it away at a party? Drink all your can and sell the rest, basically. That was the bottle. Because you have a pint for days. It's the fastest selling drugs. It's the only one that people want all of it.

If you got syrup, we want it. Today, I sit down with Mike D, a Houston Drug Kingpin who became the biggest supplier of codeine to the American South. Mike virtually introduced this opioid cough medicine to the masses in the early 1990s, and had a huge influence on Southern culture and rap icons like Pimp C, UGK, 36 Mafia, Little Wayne, and so many more. When you listen to your favorite rappers rapping about lean and syrup today, they got their habit and their slang from Mike. I've talked to a lot of drug kingpins on this show, but none who literally invented a market.

That was Mike D. Make sure to check out one-on-one with Mike D on YouTube and anywhere you get podcasts. Ladies and gentlemen, swanging down and sit in sideways, it's the King of Lean, Mike D, right here on The Connect with Johnny Mitchell. You got a groupies, all that shit, like. Well, explain who you are, Mike D.

Well, like what do you do? in the music. Where do you inhabit the music space? All over. I've been from putting my money behind the scenes to be in the rapper himself. I started as a rapper. Then I became a CEO when I figured out the money wasn't being a rapper. That wasn't where the money was in. And I learned that at 16 years old. I actually had a record deal when I was 15 with Lil Troy from Warned Be a Baller. Yeah. A lot of people know that song, Warno Be a Baller. Of course, the biggest song in the world in 1999. So that was my CEO then and my big brother

So I followed him So we went all the way to Miami We went Scarface We had Mr. 3-2 We had all kind of people It was shortstop records And this when I was 15, 16 years old So we were like excited to rap

We didn't do it for the money It was just like, hey, I got a record out So we go to Miami Get a record deal I'm in the streets already So I had a little money I was probably about $4,000 And I'm like

why when I came back I got more money coming back than I did when I left I mean less money like hold on this not right so we did it a little longer then Scarface moved to Rapalot Records and when he left I just kind of lost

my interest into it because I'm like there's no money there right and we start blowing up on the streets and by there and we're trying to catch Grisel de Blanca yeah for sure at that time we trying to catch the plug plug right so you know it became a disinterest until I met DJ

screw again later in life. Right. So you were, you left the rap alone, like most people did. And what is this, the 80s, mid-80s, late 80s? Well, and I was in the late 80s, early 90s. So I didn't start back into me and DJ screw hooked up, which was in 93, 94. So I took like a three-year hiatus. Right. And you were making moves out there, huh? Oh man, trying to get to the money. Trying to get to the money. You know, I said everybody else crack. Did you get to it? For sure. I had a Mercedes when I was 16. So I was pulling up in high school riding Mercedes-Benz.

So that's how a lot of people knew me then. He was like, he got a record out. He got a Benz. So I was able to camouflage through that in school, but I was really getting money off the street. So people thought you were making rap money pulling up in a Benz, but that was crack money. It was crack money.

I only had one teacher at school that knew, Mr. Boudreau. He was my pre-algebra teacher. He was like, I know what you got. Give it to me. He wanted that crack? He wanted some free crack. I got AIDS for my crack. Yeah, we swapped it out.

Seriously? Seriously. Yeah. And I was at Ballet High School, one of the nicest high schools in Houston. So I'm from the hood, but my mom made me go to school in Ballet. So people who know that, like,

oh, okay, I just went to Ballet? Yeah, but I didn't graduate. I went to, you know, baby prison. So I could graduate. You got locked up? Yeah. Okay. Unfortunately.

Yeah, it happens. It happens. So you knew Scarface and some of these Houston rap legends from a kid? From the beginning. Me and Scarface actually, we were at another label before that because I won a talent show. That's how I got the record deal. He was on this H-Town Records label.

We just kind of briefly, he was DJ Action then. So we briefly met then, and he was like, I like y'all. I was in a group. He's like, man, come over this. shortstop records with me. And come to find out, we had a mutual friend, which was little Troy's brother, Michael Germain. So I've been knowing him.

And I'm like, oh, this is the studio. So we just, we move right in. And it fit like a glove. So we followed Scarface there. And when he went to rap, a lot of kind of was like, well, he's doing to, I ain't going to the north side, because in Houston it's a big thing. Southside versus Northside. So I'm from the Southside.

So you're not going to do anything. It's like another part of town. on the north side, so I was like, oh, no, I'm dying. Yeah, Scarface has a song called South Side. He's always rapping the south side. What is the, it's like gangbanging culture, or is it just, like, explain the hood culture aside from the drugs, which obviously is rampant in Houston, even to this day. What is the hood culture like?

Are there bloods and crips? Like, what is the, or is it more like affiliations, as you say, by neighborhood? Yeah, it's more neighborhood. Like, in the earliest, we only had, like, one faction. of the Five-Duce Hoover Crips, but there was no bloods to have enemies. So mostly it was like, I'm from the north side, you're from the south side.

You're from Third Ward, I'm from South Park. So it's kind of like, if you, from my side of town, we kind of allies, depends on what has happened at Asteroor, because everybody met in Asteroor. To go to have fun, it's crazy, right? We're supposed to be that ride, rides, you know, do what we're supposed to do,

but we go to Asteroil, and that's where most of the beef started there. At the skating rink? No, AstroWorld was like six flags. Okay. It's the biggest like roller coaster joint ever. Come on that. Man, it's where we think Houston is like,

but for us, that's like six flags here. Asteroil. It was all made by the same people, though. So you guys would set it off? You guys would be on-on-site at outside of the roller coaster? Or the shopping center or wherever, the skating ring. Like you said, like the skating ring or whatever, but Astrored be the most common place that you meet.

And that's where y'all get into it at. So it was mostly like hood and sides of town. Yeah. So the cars came. Right. The cars? That's our coach in Houston. Okay.

So we have these things called swangers. Well, you see the rims poking out like this here, right? So on the north side, they were like more grimy. Like, they're going to jack you. Like, we're going to take the money. On the south side, we make the money. I guess we had more plugs than them because it's crazy because they did have all the big Colombian plugs back then. Right.

We would have to go to the north side to score. That was crazy. But the actual people out there putting in work were more like, you know, jackboys, you know what I mean? And we were more like the hustlers. We're going to get it. You know what I mean? We don't get the money like that. So that was another thing.

So when we had those cars, we had the money. We were investing those cars. And so when we come through in those cars, they tried to take the cars from us. So that's what started to hold beef, which. the north and south in Houston. Like, it's the biggest shit ever. It's just peace. I was able, 30 plus years, fast forward to be able to go over there to their park in their

neighborhood and actually make peace and do rap and, you know, do our thing through a block party. Just now recently, it's my first time in 30 years ever going to that side of town. Man, somebody must have got killed if there's beef the last 30 years. Christmas Eve. Christmas Eve. We were kids, man. It was like, we were like, I guess I was probably about 20, 21,

and we lost one of us with the car. So they actually tried to take his car. And I guess he wasn't going for it that night. And so he tried to reach and they killed him. That set off more war than you could. That probably today is still a little. Like even when I was doing the podcast and trying to bring unity in peace, it still was a little pullback because nobody forgets about that.

first body because after that it was this about now we got to drop one of y'alls y'all's got to drop one hours we got to drop it just went on and on no and even in prison like it's worse because you go to that side where you're from south side you from Houston what side south side it's like cribbing blood right north side oh you know that we got to get there yeah did you ever do a prison bid like an adult prison bid three times wow you're in the state in the state never been fed yeah never been to the big boys Yeah. He's like, look, every time you see them fair boys there, they adjust it. They're like, you peasant.

No, but the state president in Texas is not for play. Yeah. We've talked to some people. You don't want no parts of it. Just know it's hot. It's hot. That's what he said. He said in the summertime, he was in the box because he was like a shock call or whatever.

And he said you could spill water on your cell floor and it goes, like it's like frying an egg on the sidewalk. That's funny. I was an ag-seg porter. Yeah. So I used to have to take care of those guys back there. So I know what you're talking about seeing them guys back there because Emmy and T.S. couldn't walk. They can't walk in our prison.

So those guys, they're in the shoot, like you say. So they call the shots. So they give me the Willie, which they call it kite. I'm familiar with all that. But they give me to Willie. I take it back, but I tell them, I say, hey, man, because a lot of them know me from the music. So even the Brown brothers in Houston, like they are biggest fans from the screwed up click

and we'll go there from the music. A lot of them, once they find out on Mike D, hey, it's crazy. I can eat with them. It supersedes anything that goes on with game politics, unless the big guy from somewhere that don't know. It's me like, oh, this might be no problem. Yeah, yeah. But when I get shit, I brain them shit. But state is horrible.

Yeah. I did 12 years itself too, State. Wow. What were you down for? Drugs. Okay. Trying to get some money, man. Yeah, it's, uh, and most of the inmates are black.

Mm-hmm. I've heard. Yeah. And that, you just, you look at the conditions of it and you're like, this looks a little like slavery, you know what I mean? Like, it makes me uncomfortable when you see images of Texas prisons and it's just, just, just seas of black guys. You know, right.

Literally picking cotton. And I think they might still have the guards on horseback with the guns. You're like, ooh, optically, this is not... They don't do that in the feds? They don't have that. I don't know. I don't know.

That's crazy. I don't think so. I don't think so. But yeah, it's brutal. It's plantation style. Man, so to survive that, you've got to be...

You got to be mentally tough. Man, it's bad, especially when they got you bending down and picking cotton and tell you you can't look up. And if you look up, or if a rattlesnake bite you, you can't kill it

because that's Texas prop. That's state prop. That's the coldest one else. I know you heard that one, five. You kill that rattlesnake in the field. That is, you get in a major case, that state property. What you doing? Put a case on me.

That rattlesnakes' heads coming off, dude. I know it. So you were out there in the fields. No, I never had to go to the fields, thank God. But I know all about it, though. I know all about it. Being Mike D has its perks, man. They know I'm coming to the unit before I get there.

Really? Yeah, I started off of Boob Black. For real. My first bid, I was a boot black. But that was from going to TYC, which is getting state jail and Crockett stay jail. Right. It prepared me for prison. So I already kind of knew, you know, how to move.

And intake, what to say, man, my back fucked up. Right. That's that, you know what I mean? I knew how to shuck and jive with him. But you go in there and you're a perfect bill of health. You go in the fields. Yeah. Who you is.

Yeah. P.M.C. was in the fields. No shit. Hell, yeah. Until he got it, how to learn how to do time. What was Pim C locked up for? He had a fight with a chick. Well, he didn't have a fight, but an incident happened at the mile with him and a young lady.

And I guess the dude he was with or whatever. She was with. He smacked him with a pistol. He got an aggravated charge. That's why he was on the main yard. He was really in a prison where he had to do real time. And he had already blown up and rap at this time, right? Pem C was one of the first ones.

Him in Scarface, UG.K. Bumby. They like SBC, K Reno, you know, those guys, they are Houston, the four-fathers of Houston, you know what I mean. Those four or five guys. Yeah, a lot of people start with us. They say, DJ screw, screwed up, click. But we always give those guys props, man. Because UGK, we wouldn't be shit without them street military. Like, yeah, they started it.

Although I thought they were Port Arthur. It's right down the street. Okay. It's right down the street. Much as they were there with us, we consider my brothers. It's like, a lot of people say that, but it's like, y'all being funny. Come on. You got to give Pimp Houston and Port Arthur.

Yeah. That's right. Yeah. He was incredible. He was incredible. The way he represented East, Southeast Texas, and just the way that he spoke. And, you know, he sounded like a preacher mixed with a poet, rapper. Like, it was just incredible.

Like, yeah, he really was one of the greats. You know why? It's because he made the fucking beats, man. Really? That's what a lot of people don't know. He was a one-man band. Wow. So he knows how he's going to sound.

He knows how, you know, like zero. Like these guys, when they make the beat and rap on it, it's different. It's almost like being a one-man band. When you're making a beat, you know in your head, okay, there's got to be that. That's why he was always better than everybody. Because you know your own voice, so you know how to tailor the beats to you. Wow. He also told me that your voice is an instrument.

Right. And so he always told me, you got a unique voice, Mike. He's saying, and that's your instrument. That's what you used to always tell him. He said, you use it. Scarface tells me that all the time, too. They're like, no, use your voice as an instrument.

But that's how PMC was greater than anybody. Now, Bun B was kind of the straight man. He was the one who kind of, like, directed the group. You know, he was a little less reckless. He seemed a little more business. astute, perhaps. I'm going to make you laugh. He wasn't always like that.

Well, Pimp is always the out, you know. It's me, baby. Right, right. That's his character. But B. when coming up, he was about that. And that's one thing that people better pay attention. Think about it. When they broke in his house with his wife and they were trying to, they had his wife hostage.

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when he got him cornered in the garage where he's more mature now to like, you know what, you're running away, go ahead. But he had already hit him like two or three times. Right. He wanted to know who it was more than he wanted the body. Like, why would you kick my door in? Have my wife open the door, put a gun to her head.

And she's the real gangster. Queenie, let me give a shout out to her because he's like, where he at? Where he at? She just didn't want to take, she didn't know if it was the hit or what. I'm not going to let you take me to my husband. Go ahead and do what you got to do.

He came out to the restroom and heard the commotion. Wow. And got him with like, now, Bun is the professor. He's the word smith. He's the good guy. But Bun ain't to be played with. He just growled up throughout time. You know what I mean?

Yeah, that was a... So somebody pulled a home invasion on him, and it was a perfect self-defense shoot. He shot the guy, could have killed him, had the drop on him, and he let him go. I think he called the cops, right? He did. We call Charles Adams first.

I learned. He had to tell him to call the cops. I say, bud, you got to let the streets go, man. You're supposed to call the cops first, man. Because you know you got a time. No, he's probably like this. Hey, Charles, what can I do here legally? Can I squeeze?

Can I kill this motherfucker? Hey, if you get Charles on here, he'll tell you. He said he had to really stop him from going. I'm like, now you really can't do nothing after the little. The delay now, like, he's like, man, this motherfucker. Right, because he had time to think about it. And so if you have time to think and then you squeeze, that's when you're in trouble. Big trouble.

Big trouble. It's ironic because Pimp C, rest and peace, died at the Mondrian Hotel. Right up the street, I lived right up the street from the Mondrian. I always associate every time I pass by the Mondrian on sunset in L.A., I think about Pimp C. Me too. He died of lean, correct? I believe it was a lean overdose? or is that rumor?

That's just rumor. We're going to clear that up today about Lane, too. No, he actually has sleep apnea to where, like, when you're sleeping, is I'm going to hear somebody that? They stop breathing. And then I'm saying, but they never wake up, though. And you're looking like, are you the fuck okay? Like, that's what that is.

You stop breathing momentarily. Yeah. So when he went to, when he went to, Now, I'm sure being on codeine didn't help because you're leaning and it's a little harder to get up. It's almost like you paralyzed and you sleep. Right. So, and he had a bad heart too. Right.

So those mixtures, that's what got him. He didn't wake up from his sleep. So it wasn't, the toxicology didn't say that it was. It had lean in that because he had lean and I think a little snort in him. You know what I mean? You know, he'll go out of the edge. nine, you know what I mean? He's PEMC. Right. Right. Was he a,

did he struggle with addiction? Yeah. Yeah, he had addiction problems. But at that time, he was just getting out, getting himself back together, having the most money he ever had in California. Right. You know what I mean? You know, you know, you got to know him to know. He at the top of his game, baby. But before he left, you know, he struggled just like everybody else. I think that's what hurt our music singing a lot, too. Like drug addiction, it hurt us. Yeah, yeah, Houston, I assume it's, I mean, it's a huge drug market.

So addiction has got to run rampant, you know, in the music too, right? Especially with a genius like Pimp C. And artists in general are fucking crazy weirdos. Exactly. You know, if Diddy reveals one thing, it's just how goofy these rappers and singers are. Yeah, yeah. Because you feel like you have to be high to be in the mode. To create, right.

You don't. No. You really don't, man. That's some shit we lie to ourself to keep doing what we're doing. Yeah. And you're right. That shit is goofy as hell. Today's episode is brought to you by Cash App.

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member FDIC discounts and promotions provided by Cash App, a Block Inc brand. Visit cash.com slash legal slash podcast for full disclosure. But I bring up, you know, the death of Pimsy and codeine, or as the streets call it, lean, because that was like something you were known for in Houston. So, and I remember when this phenomena was going on, can you tell us a little bit about that, what that is, what the market is, how big it got, especially in the South?

Oh, man. I mean, let's go to the beginning. Okay, so it's been around. So that's what people don't, let's get that straight now because everybody's going to say, you know, he's not the nationwide drink, man. But yeah, it's been around. True facts, but let's start here.

When we were doing it, our father's, uncles, godparents would do it to replace Heron. So it's been around since the Heron. So when they can't get this, they take this here. And they might drink, you know, they never mixed in soda like we did, though. They drunk liquor, so it would use it as a chaser. So if they can't get that, a main line, then they would go and that would get them into, you know, Heron is not a drug you want to have, but Harron is a drug. You have to have it.

That's right. You're sick. Yeah, you really sick. So it was like their version of methadone almost? Yeah, it's the only way to, you know, cope until you get to it. Right. Yeah. Okay.

That was the thing. So we would come across it on the corner, like it's corner of boys. So they'll bring it. They might have some dope things come along with an eight bottle, which is half of a pint. And we might wrap it all. They might bring the whole paint. We get it. We mix it in beer.

We were drinking beer back then. EZ had everybody. had the eight ball rolling, you know what I mean? So if you're at my age, you know what it is. So we have like boxes of 40 ounces or wild hours rolls, boom form, wine coolers. And we would mix it. But no cups, none of that, none of the double cups you see. Today, none of that, we would just drink it, chase it like we've seen them do.

So we call it sweet beer. It transferred over when DJ Screw Music came out. So we would always, from the corner, it was crazy because, like, in Houston, we think all these neighborhoods are separated. Screw brought the South Side together. So those neighborhoods that didn't get along got along at Screwhouse. Come to find out the same thing they were doing on their corners we were doing. So we go up there, oh, y'all drank son? Oh, me too.

Right. Oh, look. I got this shit. Oh, you who we've been getting it from? Because when I first got it, nobody was on it. I had cases stacked to the ceiling in fucking 20, 30 boxes, bro. Before people, this is when it was glass bottles. It was called bar back there, not what they, the last, I guess we were 35 and younger.

You know activists. It's going to be a class for you today, fellas. So we was drinking. When my dad them did, it was robocetussing. When we had it, it was bar. So I had so many fucking cases of this shit, but nobody to do. drink it. He had no market.

I would fucking get a bowl because my family has a detail shop. Bamzano and detailing. We wash a car. We write down the street from McGregor Park. So before you come on Sundays, go to the park, you come by a detail shop. And you get right before you go down there. So I'm knowing everybody from the streets and the detail shop, right? So I'd be like, here, drink this.

They made what you drink it? I would get a bowl at my house and I would pour like, a minute made soda in it, the ice, and we get the red cups, but the cups would sweat too fast. So one day, Big Moe, the popular singer, he had a double, he had a styrofoam cup. He said, use these crazy, man, them cups out of there. That was the birth of the styrofoam.

Okay. So from the punchbow to the styrofoam to damn near like, here, drink it, forcing people like, yeah, let's do it. Because you have a pint for days. So you started out drinking it. Were you even selling it or were you just giving it away at a party? I would drink all you. You sell what you can.

Amen. Drink all you can and sell the rest, basically. That was the motto, like Bluebell ice cream. So you didn't look at it like this is a big business. It was just a fun thing that you were doing, that you wanted other people to enjoy. Just enjoy with us. That's all because a few people doing, like I say, they were doing it in their neighborhoods, but they were going to like the Mercy House.

Everybody would go to designated places. But I was the first person that was like... Doing it out. Yeah, in the open and like, hey, no, okay. But come to... A lot of people didn't know. So I would put it on this side of town, that side of town, that side of town. So people now you can get close instead of going to these one or two places.

So a lot of people didn't know. But like all them early people, I was to connect. So from the detail shop, it got to, like, known people coming up. When you come to a detail shop, you get your car wash. She'd take 30 to 40, four to five minutes. They're pulling up in four, five minutes, and my grandmother's in here working. And she's like, why the hell of these cars ain't getting washed?

They're pulling up and pulling out, Michael. You think I'm crazy. What you doing? Mama, you know, they buy spray. Because we also know for the spray. They buying spray. So she used to get on my head. So I'm like, okay, I got to stop up here.

I can't. Right. Okay, so how much are you, why are you the connect? Who is your connect? Where are you getting it from? And what is it? What is Barr exactly? Okay.

What are the chemicals? It's permethazine with coating. Okay, so it's a purple drink that you mix with you, you know, soda or whatever you choose to mix it with. So it's called lean. It's called drink. It's Kyle Ba, you know, B-A-R-R-E, because that was the first company that went, you know what I mean? That went big with it. So my connection came through my godmother and my godfather.

They pulled up to that same detail. shop and I'm knowing that he come in he in there waiting on his car and he just leaning I said man he on that run or he on them syrup I'm like because we was like not drink it

every day but when you find it it's like you found gold you're like man he on that shit I'm telling Dave I say man Lennon on Mr. Hunt on that shit dog I say man so I look up in his pocket he got a prank bottle sticking out of his pocket so I'm like ooh it's some drinking now so I go to the car she in the

Miss Rita, was my godmother, she in there fighting the same thing. Now, when you're on lean, you'll see people doing this here, just like a heroin there. They hear everything going on, but this is what they call a drink nod. So they both in there doing like this. I'm like, oh, they're feeling good. So I go in there, I say, hey, don't touch the inside of that car. I'm knowing.

I say, there's some drinking now. I'm going to find it. And I go in there, and he had a bottle under the seat. I said, man, I'll put it in my pocket. and I walk in that. So I'm like, hey, let me have that in your pocket. I wake him up. Let me have that in your pocket.

He's like, man, shit, sure. I said, okay, look, so it was halfway. I said, well, I ain't going to do this place. He goes to something I found under your seat. He's finding that money in the seat, man, you can have it. So he let us have all that. I put it up. I tell Dave, which is my brother, I say, hey, man, we're going to have some fun after we get off work.

So he called me back over there, and he said, Ms. Reader, she'd say, you know what to do with that? I say, well, a few people, you know who drank that? I said, I know a few people. She popped the trunk. There's 10 cases in there. Wow. She said, go ahead and get them.

Now, mind you, they're not the plastic bottles and the smaller cases that people get today. These are the longer boxes with glass bottles. So when I say 10 cases, it's heavy as fuck. Right. You know what I'm saying? So we pick it up, we put it out. Now, mind you, I don't have nobody sell it to.

At that time, the cases was 3 to 400 of a box. Okay. And how many? 12 in each one. You sell them for 100 of bottles. So you make an 800 per profit. Wow. Per box. So you got 10 boxes you just made right quick.

Wow. So that's why you could drink. Easy. But finding the people to drink it was the problem. So what I did would say, okay, they'll buy a pain and come back in two or three days. I got to get it where they come every day all day. So I broke it down and I went and got some pimento jars. That shit that pimento's come in.

This is before the Gerba bottles, the 11-3s. So they were actually 1-1-5, I mean 1-1-3s too. So I took it, boom, pulled everything out, poured them up, so a pint would have four-fours in it, right? So with that meant that I'd have five fours because of 11-3 made you have five. You're only supposed to have 16 ounces, which is four times four at 16. So this is where the school came in, you know, I told you. I went to the good school.

So my math is great. Right. So we got four fours, which I got five. So now if I got every paint, I got a four. So every four paints is a paint, right? So now we can drink as much of this shit as we want. It don't matter because we're going to sell you to rest. So you're only getting four.

So what I started doing was putting a box here. I put a box there. And then it just caught on. And then we start going to screwhouse. Now I'm seeing everybody from every neighborhood. That's Mike D. He'd be having a drink. You know, streets going to tell it whether you want to or not. And that's how I really got my frame between BAMS and Screwhouse.

People would come there see me and they'd be like, associate me with the drink. And then that's how I just kicked out. It was like overnight almost, bro. We started blowing through 10 boxes in about an hour. Oh, my God. 10 boxes with and each box has 12. 12 pints. So it's 120 pints.

Easy gone. Like, as soon as I get it, pull up at BAMs, four or five people, pull up, they want it all. And remind us, what is your profit off of a box? Off a box. I'm selling them for a hundred a bottle to the wholesalers. To the wholesalers, right, right? They selling it for 50 a pint, making 200 a bottle.

Right, right. So they don't mind paying a ton of, just like drugs. So I'm making 800 off each one of these motherfuckers. So now I don't want to sell bricks no more. I don't want to sell work no more. I don't want to do none of that. I only want to do this. When I get the drink, she cow me.

So they start trusting me so much they took me to the U-Ha, to the storage place, because they're older. So they're like, hey, we need your help today. So I would go to Dr. Tran office to the storage with them, right? And Dr. Tran's gone. All these people are gone. So I would go from there to, you know, help them maneuver the boxes. Of course, they're giving me 10. They're getting, what, 50, 60, 70 boxes.

And they're, and hang on, let me start right there. So they're getting their product from the doctor. The doctor. Okay. So this is, that's why there's a black market for it, is because you have to get it, you have to get it from the doctor. And the doctor's got to be in on it because these are not, these are obviously more than what's needed for medical purposes. Right. Somebody got to be accountable for it.

They got to go somewhere. I mean, that's an insane amount of product, you know. That's why they stopped it here. Right. Well, we get there. Okay. So you, it blew up like, you're making. You're making brick money.

Easy. More. More. So you're making like $8,000. Just say a day. A day. Right. You're selling boxes.

Four or five times a week because that was the thing. Every time the pharmacy opened, that's when I work. Wow. So if I missed the pharmacy, if they miss the pharmacy, it's the next day. So instead of four times that week, we might work three times that week. Or if they go every day, we five days a week. And I mean, now you must have it. felt like you just hit the lottery.

For sure. You'd done three shitty fucking state prison bids. This is before that. Oh, this is before your prison bid? I had only been to TYC by that time. Okay.

I'm 18 with this here, like 17. Wow. I'm still basically a kid, so 18 to 21 is when we put it out there in 21 to 26 before I even went to jail. I even went to prison. And so when you're at DJ Screws House, this is one of your main marketing places

that you do your marketing for the lien what is the significance of DJ Screw's place? And who for people that, you know, don't know. Rest in peace, Robert Earl Davis, DJ Screw, the greatest ever did it, the biggest out the South. He created his own genre music by slowing it down and chopping it. So the screw tapes were for our cars, which we get to the culture. We're talking about the swanglers in the North Side taking.

So this is where this rap style was birth. the style of music, this genre of music was birthed at his house. So being at DJ Screwhouse was we were making personalized tapes for those cars that we riding in. They weren't for public consumption. You know what I mean? They weren't for the public at all. So those tapes were made.

I might have, you know, all my favorite songs on there. And then flip it over, he'll give you five or ten minutes to freestyle if you want to do that. But not everybody wraps. So mainly you would be. bring a rapper. So that's how he got popular. So Stick 1 would bring Lil Kiki over.

Lil Randy brought me over. Corey Blunt brought Fat Pat over. Run G brought Big Poky over. Such and such brought Big Mo over, who later became the whole Houston rap scene after DJ's group passed away. You feel what I'm saying? So somebody brought Zero over.

So we all come, Lil Flip. You feel what I'm saying? And then, so at Screwhouse, this is where I might be doing my tape. But I don't want my tape to get out. This is my personal tape. When I'm riding in my car, my slab, this is my tape. You jam your tape. So people start paying screw to get, man, come on, bro.

Let me get a copy of that tape Mike D did. I was over there with y'all last night. So they might, now, I'm meeting people from different neighborhoods and they're finding out. No, he really got that drink, bro. We drunk from the time we walked in the door. I would bring four or five paints and just slide them to screw. Screw wasn't even drinking at that time. I slide, you know, people, everybody who there, here you go.

I slide them a whole paint. Here you go. Pull it up. Go get you some sodas. Go get whatever you drink in. We don't drink behind each other. Go get this shit. And then by that time that make it through every hood like, no, that shit.

Right. Are you able to rap when you're slumped over like that? Oh, yeah. See, you're not slumped until you put your cup down. That's the thing about. sir. It's never over. You got to keep drinking. You got to keep drinking. The longer you keep drinking, you're going to stay up.

The minute that cup empty, that's when you're going to. It's like a Ponzi scheme. You can't stop feeding it, feeding the beast. And when you do, everybody gets wiped out. If I ever tell you, if I'm sitting in the car, we're riding back here to tell you, hey, man, I already know. Because he knows, when you sit down and you kind of like just get comfortable, you're out of that. Right.

Now, he called this something the other night. What did you call it the other day? What you said? Narcoleptic. He's like, man, as soon as he sit down, it's over. But that's how it is. Your drinking ain't, you don't slump until it's over. Right.

But anyway. And so basically, you're causing, respectfully, an epidemic in the Houston area. I think it's crazy because when I listen to DJ Screw mashups and remixes and, you know, a lot of times I'll just see like a. one of my favorite artists songs, but it's a DJ screw mix and it's slowed down. It sounds like you're on lean. Like that's the effect is like,

oh, this is like drug, opioid, premedesine music. Do you think the lean influenced that style or did he already have that style? That really slowed down, chopped in school. People ask me that all the time. Was that just a coincidence? It happened at the same time, bro. It's kind of like you can't have one without the other.

It's like having, you know, cigarette, no coffee. Like, you know what I mean? It's like the music went right with it because we riding around listening to our tapes. We made the tape on lane. We riding around listening to the tape on lane. Right. You feel what I'm saying?

So I'm going to have to say he came first, but it just kind of went with it. So when you was on the corner and you're feeling good and that tape playing, you're like, hold on, what's that? What's wrong with your radio? You're like, no, this is that new DJ screw. Yeah. Like, man.

Right. So the people before us, of course, laughing and like, man, hell is y'all doing the O'Gs, the people I tell y'all about dating, Scarface would have had his songs on screw tapes. He are ready to go. He'd be the go, go, go, go, go, go. Because back there it was that piracy thing. So people were looking at screw as like, he's copying the tapes.

But to us, we're like, no, that's my tape. But when you duplicate it and sell it, that's when it's a problem. We didn't understand that we kids, you know what I mean? So the rap, a lot of. records did. A few other big record companies did, but yeah. Today's episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. I use BetterHelp. I've been going to therapy with a therapist that I found on BetterHelp way before I did a podcast, way before they sponsored the show. BetterHelp is the world's number one online therapy platform. They've got over 30,000 qualified therapists to choose from. They've served

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No, it was, but it was, what's the lowest? One, what's the lowest? One is the highest. So it was scheduled three.

It was scheduled three. Okay, so when it went up to a two, that's when it got a little bit more on it. Right. Now it's a one. Okay. Okay.

So they've, okay. So tell us how that evolved. Like how did you grow the business? What did you do with all your loot? The music grew it. At the same time. Yeah,

Because they're marketing it. They're rapping about it. And grew in animated detail shop accessible. Right. So what I started doing was Pat Lemon, rest in peace, let me get out his story real quick because it goes with me. So he would have the gallons, I would have the cases. So it was another faction that is called gallons.

Because I had the cases on a lot. Only a few people knew how much access I had, because you got to know, like, I'm with my people, and I'm one of the only ones they trust. There's a few other people dealing with them, but I'm doing the numbers, the hundreds. So they didn't have to deal with nobody else. They only dealt with me.

Pat Lemon came, his wife worked at a wholesale place that distributed coding to the pharmacies. Right. So he got his free. I had to pay for mine. This is where he lapped me, but we end up working together. Okay.

So we brought both families together. So he came to my house. He had the same problem I had when I got the cases. He got all this syrup. Nobody to sell it to. So Manpoo said, I know somebody that might know what to do with it. He brought him to my house. Now, he brought me this gallon-sized milk.

It's like a bleach-style jug. And it's eight paints in there. And I'm like, bro, I sell a paints glass. Like, they're not going to buy it if it ain't in this fucking bottle now. Because I didn't move on from the day by the old. Let me let you all know. Everybody got on to my 5-4 system, so they start getting the bigger, the real four-ounce jars.

So now I'm like, okay, well, guess what? I'm not going to sell that anymore. I'm just going to sell paints. So I'm telling him, I'm like, bro, I don't know how, what we're going to put it in to make them buy it wholesale. You've got to break all that down. So really, I'm like, he's like, well, what are we selling for this day? I said, I'm sending them for $100.

So he starts selling for 80 in, like, other containers, but people were complaining about it not being in that paint. Why? Because it just didn't look good. It didn't look good. It's not good marketing. If I buy something, I want it to look. Right now, you go to McDonald's, right?

And they bring you a big mac in a plain white thing that you get at the barbecue. Like a styrofoam joint. You're not going to eat it. Right. Right. Something wrong with it. Yeah. It's just the same, you know,

Same thought process with crack. I want to have it in a glassy. Vile. Yeah. I want to have it in a vial. It just looks better. It's classier, whatever. That's exactly right.

Classy crack. People buy with their eyes. Right. Okay. You know, I mean, so it's one of those situations. So I'm telling him, I'm like, bro, so he comes back, he's like, bro, this ain't working. What can we do? I say, bro, you're going to have to go back to the basis because now he's kind of, he

don't realize he's catching on. So now I'm like, you're slowing me up because it wasn't a lot of pool of people that would just come, I want the people that want to break it down $150,000. You know what I mean? Of course I'm going to give everybody there, but I'm greedy like everybody else. So I'm like, hey, bro, what you're going to have to do is break it all down in the fours. He started doing that. And then he came back.

He said, bro, this ain't moving fast. I say, well, tell you what, just give it all to me. Don't worry about it. You're playing his ass. Yeah, because he's getting four boxes. He's getting four jugs five times a week, which is 20 jugs, four free. So he's making head and it's his wife. Yeah.

Who pays their wife? Nobody. So he comes up real hard. Okay, so he's moving and grooving during the stage. So I'm like, give it to me, boom, I distributed it through my people who just give him the money. And then his slick ass started getting more. She started getting two and three and four boxes with four pines. So he's giving them to other people like me and I'm giving mine.

So now we're making our competition against each other. Like, we're becoming our own competition without knowing it. So he rises, he goes, you know, like, and we're doing our thing for years, bro. I'm talking about, like, people who know Pat Lemon, they don't know this story. So he goes home one night. I'm waiting on him. It's New Year's Eve. I'm waiting on him.

I'm like, man, go get me something to drink. It was one of them times we didn't have nothing. Now, let me bag up a little bit. We didn't know this was an addiction until it started the schedule, start going up, start getting harder to get because the more that come out, the paperwork come with this, the more the eyes get on it.

And we didn't understand that. Go get more. Go, go, go, go. Get it all. We want it all. So we didn't dried it up. The doctor can't write any more scripts. He got to cover this with paperwork.

So every time it's a drought, we're not realizing that it's being bumped up a schedule and it's being looked at on a microphone. Like, damn, what's going on? Why is all this being sold? Everything is accounted for. So I'm waiting on him, and I'm like, hey, bro, go give me something to drink and you had nothing. We didn't realize it because your stomach'd be hurt.

We didn't know we was on heroin ourselves. It's called it liquid heroin. We didn't realize that we having these symptoms. We bawled up. Like, man, what the fuck is wrong? I'm sick. I got the flu. So everybody starts seeing it at once.

Like, man, no. So my godfather came and said, I told you about drinking in their soda. Y'all, you're addicted to this shit. Yeah. You say, you can't stop drinking. You got diarrhea. You got, like you really don't have it. What the hell is wrong with me, man?

I'm too rich for this. What's going on, bro? I need some drinks. So the only day, I need some said. So I'm waiting on Pat to go, him and his wife get into it because he got another lady pregnant. He'd go home, and he bought a Mercedes. And when she found out he had that car and got that girl pregnant,

she killed him. They had a fight. They ended up having a fight. She killed while we were waiting on it. That's a loyal chick, dude. It's a loyal chick. You can't have just me. No one will have you.

She killed him. So she killed the plug. She killed. Well, she was the plug. Right. I made you. I made you. You doing all this?

Right. I made you. So they're fighting under that pretense. I told you. Boom. Now let me rewind two weeks before that. We're sitting in the garage. Me and him.

She'd come walking out. He said, Mike, man, you better talk to your crazy ass sister-in-law, man. I'm going to kill that bitch. You know, this ain't talking. He just talked to him. He was like a comedic dude. Like, I'm going to kill that bitch.

That bitch got me fucked up. This ain't really talk. I'm saying you talk to that bitch. So I'm like, Pat, you're crazy. She turned around and dead. God. She said, you better talk to him. And they time, I'm going to kill his ass.

I told you. She looked. I didn't care. I'm doing what you did. I said, whoa. But I really ain't catch it. Yeah, I told you that bitch crazy. That bitch shot at me.

Look at, we in the garage. Look up there, man. That motherfucker shot at me. They had already had a fight when she shot at him and missed. She told him. Next time I'll catch you fucking up, I'm gonna kill you. And when she turned around, now when he died, that's the only thing that plays in my head.

Her turning around saying, nah, you better get him. Because if I pull him up my piss again, I'm gonna kill that bitch. I'm gonna kill that bitch. That bitch. Did she go away for that? No. He had drugs in his system, PCP powder, codeine.

So she just said. They had a record for, what was that, family abuse? Domestic violence, yeah, yeah. It's crazy. She used my lawyer, too. It's crazy.

What the lady who shot Pat? Pat's wife. I mean, she's, I'm going to be honest. If he lived, they be together. Right. His wife. Right. So.

Yeah, there's something kind of romantic about this in a sick way, dude. Yeah, it's his wife. Incredibly toxic. It turns you on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're like, man, shit, say, I love you, bitch. Yeah. Because you're at the hospital, you're like, you're crazy bitch.

Yeah. I could see him saying that. You crazy bitch, I'm going to fuck the shit out of you. Yeah. If I survive. You get in fucking. Yeah. You imagine that sex after you survive a bullet from your wife, dude?

Oh, man. Holy shit. It's the shit only made for movies. It's only made for movies, man, for real. Wow. So she ended up killing him, bro, and she was the plug. So I'm sure she dealt with other people after he died, which I do know one person she dealt with.

That's wrong. When he's home, boys. We don't go to that. But you and I know what's going on. But that was dirty. But anybody else that we don't know, that's kind of not. our business, you know what I mean? So it really wasn't no big deal except that one person that was doing it.

Well, but what is, okay, so, but what did that do to your supply? I mean, did, did, I was great. I had the cases, remember he had the boxes. He had the jugs. So you still had your other plugs. I got my other plugs. He was just, that was just like my side thing, you know what I mean? So I do that.

And then it was to the point of where I was really trying to control him so that mind don't get slowed. Right. He didn't have enough for what I had. going on. I was basically out of pocket a lot of that shit. Right. You know what I mean? Until it got too stacked up too high. And then I'd be like, don't worry about it.

Because I use this profit and just buy that and just keep it to where I never run out. Once I found out you get sick, I vowed to never not have a cup, empty cup. I do not want to feel that shit again in life. You didn't say, I'm going to not do this anymore. You said,

I'm going to make sure I'm always doing us. I'm always doing this. I always got it. And the people that's looking and feeling like me always got it. Right. That's how I became the real drink man, bro. Okay, so you stepped it up after the first drought you had, like the first serious drought.

Sure. We're never going to have it again. Now, did you hear about the community, all the fiends now? Did you hear about them getting sick? I'm in it. I'm in the streets. Yeah. We're making screw tapes.

We got a screw tape, Kyle, no drink. Fat Pessing at the beginning. Drink man. Ooh, whee. We need you to sprang a little love out here, baby. Wow. My stomach hurt like a motherfucker, boy. I'm talking about it.

He actually made a screw tape talking to me and Pat Lemon saying that we need to step it up and sprint and put a little love on the streets. So these rappers are addicted. Yeah, yeah, everybody at this point, by this time DJ Screw start drinking, everybody that's affiliated. Screw was his own radio station. So when you got a screw tape, every day you go to his house. Let me explain this to you.

So it's like, I don't know. You've been to a record store, right? Yeah. Okay, all right. When you go to Screwhouse, at 8 o'clock, he opened the gate. Whoever did the tapes last night, it's a sea of people outside. They've broken his house. They raided his house two times with three total.

That the older house, they raided it just knowing drugs was in it because you got all the drug dealers outside your house waiting on you to open this gate at 8 o'clock. They didn't know what the fuck he was in there selling, but they had to go in there and find out. So when they raided the first time, it's our document. When you pull up, you'll see, they found nothing. They didn't even find, because they didn't know what drank was. I'll tell you a funny story about that after when we get to where we're going.

And they didn't find nothing. So it wasn't no like, and it wasn't no bunch of drinks. He might have had a pint I left over there or some cups or some sodas that. He didn't smoke weed, so it wasn't a weed that. You had to step outside and smoke weed. He started letting a smoke inside later. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah.

For real. You could drink all you want them, but it was kind of like he didn't want to smoke fucking with his equipment at first. Right. So that's the crazy part about it, man. So it was a place where everybody would get in, that everybody was lined up at 8 in the morning to get into DJ's Cruz. Well, 8 p.m.

Oh, I'm sorry. To get into his house, like pulling up at his house, like at 8 o'clock. That's what we are. I'm sorry. Pulled up, you get your tape. So whoever did that tape last night, that tape is on the streets. So you might have 3, 400 people, literally. This is no gas numbers.

If I say a thousand, we gas it. But two to 300 people every day at 8 o'clock lined up slabs. The cars we're talking about people in their other cars, people in their farins. It's the drug dealer community. So when that tape dropped,

it was like having a seat, like an album that dropped. So you're selling 400 or 500 tapes when you, the next day. So it's on the street. So it's kind of like the news press, What's going on? Everybody know.

Like, damn, oh, Pat made a tape called no drink. Oh, you were sick, too. Oh, I'm sick. Oh, man, I knew it, man, bro. That's how it kind of spread. Everything spread through screw tapes. That's fascinating. He's like, right, he's like his own radio station.

He's putting out the news for the hood. Every day. Wow. Oh, so this guy's making millions of dollars. People thought he just because he's just, you know, bad, no, no jury, no nothing. Right. They still finding DJ screw money. Wow.

That is fascinating. I like to say he made the most money out of mixed tapes, but I beg the difference. You ain't been living long enough for one son, and they still find his screw money to this day. Because he get fucked up, go put it in his safe deposit box. He get fucked up, put it at this.

Yeah. They still finding the money to the day. Was he older than you guys? He was at the same age. Okay. He just died in 2000, so he's been a while. And every year, His legacy gets bigger and bigger.

Totally. And bigger and bigger. To now it's like they talk like him, they walk like him, they act like him. And I say him, but it's that culture, the one group of guys that made that thing pop out of. Now, tell us how you grew the business after we lost Pat Lemon and they moved the schedule up. Okay. So when they moved the schedule up and I lost Pat, man, it was more like, okay, now my plug. when the schedule go up,

it's getting tight on them. Dr. Tran. Yeah, that was day plug. Mr. Hunt was my plug through them. Ms. Rita was really the place. Really was a woman. But, of course, you're married. You know, he's going to take care of everything.

It's crazy because she would give me some, and then he'd be fucked up like I tell you. Like, he'll give me, what he'd give him in there, she'll bag down and say, just get the rest of them. Don't worry about it. I ain't got time to be fucking with him. That's how I found out it was her.

I didn't know until they start. falling out. And now, because they go right with what you're saying, now they're falling out. They have, you know, our marriages go through right. And they only trust me. So I'll deal with him first, and he'd get whatever she got, he'd give it to me.

And then she'll come back after she drop him off with the rest. Like, hey, you know what? Just move this for me. And you just call me with that money. So now I'm like, damn, what's going on? So she finally told me, she'd say, man, this shit, my shit. Okay. So what would like a re-up look like?

Like if you're, you know, what is like an amount of money in a coding lean re-up? I would get probably at our top, I would get like the whole U-house. So whatever's in there. If it's 100, I get the whole storage space. So like it's a room like this here, she might got 100, 150 boxes in there. Wow. So that's at our height. That's wild.

And who can you trust them? You know what I mean? But one or two people. I had to put them in there. You can't show nobody where they're at So they owed I had to get the fucking dollies And fucking move it from

To in there Take my time I fucking put the truck there Leave come back later Do it They give me the key So to where she just said Hey just take the key

Do what you do You could just have it store it there You just do back and forth So every day I go grab 10 boxes Yeah I go grab 20 boxes You know what I mean Whatever I need for the day

And then I make my route And then I ain't doing nothing else For the rest of the day And then did you pay them after the whole load of the sold? Yeah. How much is that? What's the total revenue on 150 boxes? It went up to 800.

When we were doing, when we finally, at our height before they cut off that particular plug cut off. No, $1,200, I'm sorry. $1,200 of a case. A case. And we started going up to the $100, so I started having to sell it for $200. They had to go up. So every time I go up, the price would go up.

Right. He was so much points in it. So we're talking a million five for a whole? Easy. Easy. Wow. Easy. Easy.

That's a big responsibility. And this is at the height, again, syrup is the only drug that you can have, that you can, I can have a hundred boxes today. Right now today. It'll be gone. If you go to the store right and come back, all I'll be doing is countermoney. Even today, there's, what the fuck happen to the boxes? They go on, brother. Two people came, three people came, they go.

It's the only one that people want all of them. They don't want some of it. They want all of it. You think that's because the customers like you are like, in order to keep from being sick, I got to just keep drinking this. That's always the number one thing. But more than that, it's the fastest selling drug in the country next to pills, I'm sure. But it's all in the same category.

But do you think that's because it's unlike how, heroin, you kind of got to know what you're doing. You got to be able to, you know. Yeah, I ain't nobody doing all that shit. And shit like that. But you could just, with this, you can mix it up. And why do you think it sells so fast as opposed to other opioids? Because it's a rich man drug. Why the powder sell so fast?

Because it was a rich man drug. See, it gives you the effects of heroin. But, you know, to us, heroin like a street drug. Like a junkie. Yeah, some junkie. You're looking at people who got money. Nowadays, the paint costs $3,600 a paint. So we ain't even went there yet.

No. So we're going to, hold on, we got to walk it up. So now it's when I was charging $25 or $4 and $150 of $4, now it's $300, a line. No, a line. So go $4,800 is what you're a makeoff that motherfucker now. And you pay $32 or $34 for it. Like future them and the rich,

They want it all. Still today is just small and scale. It's still the same mindset. They want it all. So now you got different types of syrup that people drink to make, where they don't have that expensive habit. Like that's the crem deli crim, the activist, the guard, the purple shit. But you got yellow, green, red, you got, you know,

but it's not the same as that. Shit tastes like, that's the thing. It's not what you think until you taste it. So once you taste it, what gets you. You're like, damn, it's something about it being sweet and soda. And it's just like, you're like, oh my God, I'm never tasting. I call it the devil's blood. Because once you take a sip, it's over. The same thing is hitting that, that on, but you're doing it in a classy way. You know what I'm saying? So the price kept going up as the supply was

constrained by the different scheduling, the rescheduling by the DEA. Yeah, because now they're starting to watch it because I'm not the only one that's doing this shit. We're in Houston. So, and people tell you like, yeah, I'm the most popular to do it. I'm the first to do it. I'm the first of having like, okay, when it stopped, I started it back up like this again.

I started it like this from the beginning with a fucking punchbow at the detail shop. And then when it got scheduled up, let's get to the point to where, like to say, every time the price go up. So when Mr. Hunt died, right?

And they cut off everything for that. Tran stopped, all that stopped because they couldn't keep up with the paperwork. I think Tran went to jail and then it rolled down here. So Mr. Honey ended up passing away. Ms. Reader's tucked off. And now she don't want to fuck with it because it's getting too hard or not. She made her money just thinking from break, like you say, a million, five, two million. It's crazy.

Every week or something like that, right? You can move 150 in, yeah, 10 days? Not even that. Not even that, bro. As quick as you come out, I would stretch it out to make sure that we had it to make sure. Like, I'm not doing shit until tomorrow's load is here. Right. Like, I'm going to do just enough to be able to pay for tomorrow's load.

You feel what I'm saying? You want your profit in product. Yeah, right. I leave my money in product. You know what I mean? Because it's guaranteed to move. That's guaranteed, brother. It's like cocaine in the late 70s.

The problem is on the supply side. the demand way outweighs the supply. That's a lovely position to be in. Now, did you, because it's, you know, as the price gets, as the supply constrains, the price gets higher, that must have been lovely at the beginning for you because then you could charge more,

but there's a happy medium because you don't, you don't want it to dry up too much because then, you know, the demand falls off. Exactly. So what did you, yeah, how did that evolve to eventually end. Well, it's crazy because when it got too tight for Houston,

they made it, they barred it in Houston. After our run right there, they barred it. Because like I was saying, more people start doing it. People say, okay, Mike, he did this, he did that. But I had a connect with a thousand boxes. I had to connect with 500 boxes. He was doing 100 at a time. Ha, ha, ha.

You don't know. I was doing 300. but nobody started it like me. You feel what I'm saying? It's like being Pablo Escobar to cocaine. Right. I mean, the drink game. So that's where they come off with that.

So basically when they banned it from Houston, now nobody can get it nowhere in Houston. What do you mean? Who banned it? The feds, the schedule went up. It's like, got this like, boom, no more. No doctor touch it. Every doctor that touch is getting raided.

Every doctor they're getting, what you call it, when they're going over their books, and all that shit. Right. Yeah, they're coming in. Audited. Audited. Yeah.

They get audited because what they was doing, they couldn't keep doing, right? Right. They were cheating. They were cooking the books. Right. They had to cook the books, but you could only cook the books so long. So you're looking at all kind of people that's doing this here. So eventually after they got that few people here, they plug, went dry.

My plug went dry. And by me being most popular, people be like, hey, man, hey, bro, I got somebody that, they might be, and I find out they coming from out of town. So these white guys coming from Dallas. I didn't know they had a fucking Martin Grove had a fucking distribution in Dallas. So my boy, shout out my guy. No, the white guys at this time,

they're coming down in the U-house. So they got like, fucking 300, fucking boxes all over. Bro, we would literally load the back of the truck up. The guy that pull up to me, we load the back of the truck up, right? because it's been a drought. It's been a drought.

Right. Load it up. Go sell it. Man, we ride. Turn the corner. Hey, man, how many you want? He's driving in a, no, do, do, do it. Like, man, hey, give me.

I need one more person to help me. And they give it to him. I collect the money. He's sitting in a driver's seat. And like, hey, I'm on my gown. I'm on such and such, pull up. So wherever I pull up, it's like a fucking line of motherfuckers with bank, though. Now I know dophins.

Right. These, the drug dealers are the city. drug dealers in Houston, they buy keys, rise, slab, and sip, sir. Yeah. They want it, bro. And then if you got it, there's more money into that than it is in your regular brick game. Right. You feel what I'm saying?

So you want that. So if Mike D. pulled up, he got a thousand pranks. Shit, how many can I get is the question? Because whatever it is, it's going to be double profit. Remember that. That's how it's up to where it's at now. Whatever it is, drink automatic. That's double.

Heroin is the only better thing because you're the seven times, six times, as many times that they can take, right? So it's doubles. So wherever I pull up and go. So they pull us, they start pulling up from Dallas. They come in. So I'm like, dude, you can't let nobody else. And sure, you know, people can't keep their mouth closed.

Right. Nobody can keep their mouth closed. So I pull up over there and ask other strange-looking-ass motherfuckers that ain't supposed to be over here. And me, I'm always been like, you know, people know who I am and what I do, but you don't see me doing it. That's always been the thing. Like, goes, you can sit there.

whatever, but you don't see me doing it. I got people to do it. Is that lean in your cup right now? No, not at all right. You should have brought some. Yeah, I started to. I started to. We could have leaned out.

So after that, after the Dallas run, they start coming down. Most of the people got in our business, so it kind of, I don't know, I think they made too much money too fast. I think it scared them. We're in there. We're like on a pool, table, table.

Like, this is it. Money is hard. Wow. man, all over. When they finish and we're up in there and I'm bringing the rest of my bag in like the, you know, the Wells

day they in here with them. It was to the point to where you make everybody else wait outside because they start dealing with other people and I'm like, bro, don't have them motherfuckers in here while we got all this money, bro. Come on, bro.

It's Houston. And they seen that motherfucker that. And I said, I told the guy that one child shit, bro. That motherfucker ain't coming back, man. That was too much, bro. You know how much fucking money that was, bro?

He looked at me. He said, that. be back. They didn't come back. So we had to start. So we went to Dallas. My mind, I'm like, shit. Okay, so that's the end of the second time.

Right. What did you take? What was your, what was your haul from helping those white guys sell all that week? I know I at least made a million dollars fucking win. Wow.

I went. Like overnight. Overnight. That's why I went. But it was a few runs. It wasn't just one run. That's so fucking crazy. Now, did you ever get like,

you got millions of dollars you got to account for? Did you ever get, you know, have some gangster shit happened to you? I mean, this is Houston after all, you know? Not during the drink. People will stick you up. You never had any North Siders come ground and try to... Only when we were getting cars and shit like that, but I didn't really like, them, like, that's...

I only had, like, one slap. I like to ride Mercedes. Right. Comfortable. Right. You know what I mean? Like that. So, plus I went, I went to Belize, so I kind of knew to move better with my money,

do different shit. You know what I'm saying? when I was younger, so it wasn't no big thing because you got a thing from 18 to 26, man, it wasn't shit to touch me in Lollah's, you know what I mean? Yeah. It wasn't shit to have that shit on hand like that. So when you go through multiple years of having that kind of money, you kind of already know how to move.

You know what I mean? So you know better. So when it stopped, when they stopped coming from Dallas, I went to Dallas and I met a friend of mine down there named OU. and basically he was the plug down now. He wasn't as heavy as they were, but he'd telling me, he said, hey man, what you want in California,

I'm like, man, I'm not going to a motherfucker in California. Man, you're crazy. Me? Man, bro. I'm thinking it's gang banging. If I take $30,000 to California, I think they're going to kill me for it. If I take that, what are we going to do?

I'm going up there. He can only fulfill so much. So I start. Trying him with the money. Like, here, you take $50.99 now. You take $100,9. And every time he'd go up to where he was like, bro, come on, I'm telling you, come.

Bro, I'm not doing it. So Lil Flip has, he's, at this time, he's the top rapper in the world. What year is this? This is Game Overway. It was that 2000, or 99? No, no, that was about 2000-something, right? Flip was doing his thing.

So whenever Flip was doing his thing, So it was like 2000. I had to be like 2001, 2002, right? So when he doing his thing, he like, come to the video shoot, he wanted me and be. How old to come to me? I'm like, okay, all right.

We're going to go? So we go out there? I'm like, man, so Flip has this guy. It's crazy because Hernandez-Govann, the guy who killed Dolf, he was Flip's friend, and he knew the plug. I just put that together recently.

I said, man, it was fucking him. for real, bro. Like, that's who the fuck we met the plug with right there. That's why he, because he was saying some shit on a little flip on another podcast. And I was like, man, bro, that's crazy. That's the fucking dude. How the world come back 360. You feel what I'm saying?

So he knew the plug, basically. So when we went down now, I was like, all right, we got it. How do we get it back? Because we only got like 100 paints. Where'd you go? Went to Los Angeles. Okay. So when we get down there, everything was what they said.

Like everything was what it was. We met somebody. It wasn't even my friend Connect that we met. It was through flip. You know what I mean? The guy, Honette, her,

I said, Honan, there, no disrespect. Hernandez, go, man. So he'd get us what we want. And I'm like, how the fuck we're going to get at home now? We're in Los Angeles, California.

A friend of mine showed me a trick. I ain't going to tell y'all. So basically, it was a wine box trick. And when he did that, we just had to start taking it out of its regular formation and get it back home. Let's just say that.

In case of people still doing it. You driving it back or? We flew it back. This is before the liquid, the guy that the straps, I guess it was some bomb that had strapped some liquid bomb to his nuts or something on the plane

and they stopped letting liquid. Basically, that's why you can't go over with four ounces of fluid because of that guy. Okay. And this is pre-that. So before he did that, we were just, you could have much liquid as you want on the fucking plane.

It could be in the form. So I'm going to let your imagination. So if you had to take it out of something and put it in something and disguise it and give it to a TSA, what would you do? So we had to come up with that. Let's just say that. So we took it out, three, four people, and get it back. Now you got the task of something going because it's nothing in Texas.

It dried up in Houston. Right. I think we dried them up in Dallas. Right. Because we never seen those guys again. And then we now in LA, and it's a brand new game. And we're back to $50 of paint. What?

With $400 at home. Right. Profit. So now we're back to, but I can't get the numbers that I once had. But I can get enough to make some damn bills get paid. You mean you can't get the quantity? Can't get the quantity. But that markup is insane.

Insane, man. I'm talking about it. It's crazy. All you need is 100. All you need is 200. You're going out there, you're killing them. Right. So this isn't really like a junky market,

even though you get addicted to it, you get dope sick when you don't have it. It's like people get used to having it not around. But then when it comes around, they're like, oh, yeah, it's came true, let me get it all. Right. Get it all from young thud to future to this day. They all want it right now.

Bigos, Lil Wayne, all of them. Did you ever supply any of those guys? Can you say that? Wayne. It seems like he's on a lot of lean. Well, he has a big tie to Houston. But it was through a friend of mine, Sam. So he would, Sam introduced.

He was the music manager for us. So like, we're doing concerts also. Don't forget, we got the music shit going on too now. Yeah, tell us about that real quick. Yeah, so we got, so Sam was our manager, right? So when DJ's group passed away, we still moving forward. This is before a switch out. House and Slim Thug and all those guys got Mike Jones and all those guys hit the scene.

We are the better half of that. We, you know, people say, oh, they took our style and ran off with it. Sam was our manager, and Sam did concerts everywhere. He had connections with Wayne, and that's how he had me and Wayne people all the time. So whenever I get it, I just fly to Wayne. This is Lollipop Wayne. This is like a lollipop. I'm talking the height of his era.

The height of his era. We're pulling up, man, this is that Wayne. I want it all. One man. I want it all, ma'am. That's him. That's why when it didn't have no more, he still had it because he bought everybody's shit. Wow.

He had the money to do it. He wasn't selling it. He's just stuffing it. I know Jewel's... Two Chains was about it, too. Titty Boy? Titty boy was about that shit, too, man. He get it and put it up, too.

Wow. Juels Santana put him on it. You right? I know where he's going. Yeah. Well, but I think he really fell out because of Lean. This is what I heard. I just read it in a magazine,

Cameron is, you know, talking about it. That's what took him down. That's what took him down was a lean addiction. It's always going to be the people that don't drink lean and say that. Right. I think those guys were getting so much money and doing so many different things that, yeah, it might have made them lazy. It might have made them not on time of this, that, and the third.

But I think they're at the most creative stages when they up late at night doing that shit. Right. Even with Wayne's voice, it helps his voice. He'd tell you, like, oh, if I got it's going to be magic, baby. He said, right, jaws. You think it added to their creativity. Yeah. I do.

I mean, it certainly added a lot to, it did, because a guy like me from the West Coast who's not, I'm not, I'm a casual fan of this Southern rap, I would say, but that made it back to me. Like, everybody knows, everybody hears it. Oh, drinking ball. Yeah.

That's fucking, you notice it as it's cool. Like, what is that? You know, we assumed it was this concoction of promethazine and, you know, yeah, 36 Mafia too was really like blew that whole phenomena up in the early 2000s. But what, okay, so if it's now like a delicacy where it's not a constant product like cocaine

that's just all relentlessly being trafficked over the border, right? It's something where if a connection can get it from what, a dirty pharmacy, right? It's like random. Sometimes they get it. It doesn't seem like it can be a consistent market. So my question is, do people that depend on lean,

do they, when it doesn't come around, do they go and start using things like heroin? Have you seen that? I hope not. I think pills took over. I think the pill epidemic took that part of it over so people didn't have to go to heroin, I guess.

I've never personally heard of anybody that went from Lean to heroin. Okay. But I definitely know people that go from lean to pills. Like... Like benzos? I would say more like Roxies and narcos and hydrocodone, hydrocodone, whatever they, however you say that.

Hydrocodone? Yeah, hydrocodone. And that's... Codone. Yeah. Right. And that's also a drink. No, no, it's in peel form.

See, I see. See, I was in prison when the peel epidemic hit. Right. So all the opiose is pretty much the same. So syrup pills, all that shit is opiate. It's all in one big family right there. And I think people just start doing. That's what we draw to opioid crisis.

All that made in the opioid crisis, you know what I mean? And that's what happened. But I caught the ass the end of that shit, but I wasn't here when it started. So when I went to jail, I told somebody. I said, man, I told zero. I said, man, would you buy this shit if it went to $1,000 of paint and drank? And he said, fine. No.

I say get ready. It's coming. I was getting them for, when I left, before I left in 2008, bro, I was paying, I went from $50 in California, Los Angeles, all the way to $400, all the way to $450 out there. So when I'm coming home, it's $800. We had, I hadn't even, I had made so much money on the last hour. I'd be like, okay, look, I ain't going to do y'all like that, $6.50. Come on.

But you got to buy it all right now. And I'm gone. So I can get back because everybody starts finding out to buy California. 650 wholesale in Houston for... 250 profit. For a bottle. I get $100. That's $25.

I'm gone. But that's insane. So a fourth of that, they sell for $1,000. Crazy. No, no, no, no. A fourth of that would be if it's $6.50 here, so it'll break down from $700. So you'll go up to the highest number, right? Right, right.

And then you'll say, what, $175? 200 or four. So that you're made by 800 off each. Okay. You bought it for me for 600, 650. Right. I was paying up to 450 in California. Yeah. So when I get here, I got 100 or 200 of them, that's $25,000,

I'm gone. I go back and I go get some more. I fell in love with Los Angeles. Let me say that. I have a house there. They didn't know what I was doing. Right. I'm walking through gang territories because now I'm getting it so low because I could go to the pharmacies there. It hadn't scheduled up there for some reason.

Or the way they hustle, I don't know the liberal state of mind. They don't care about the doctors hustling here. They care about all that. I don't get how a federal schedule is different state to state, though. I think it's the way they let them hustle in California. I don't get it, though.

If it's a federal law, if it's a federal rescheduling, why would it be different in California than Texas? The way the doctors hustle? That's what makes it different. Oh, so the doctors are just breaking the law more. Yeah. They're doing it, but it's not. It's on the hot sheet.

See, you go and a lot of these doctors, you've got to realize, when they get on it and they start hustling, right? Even with the pill meals, what happens? They get a sheet of those doctors who are just doing crazy numbers, and that's the ones they go hit. So they start hitting everybody in Texas. We was on the hot sheet. You feel what I'm saying?

So it got harder to get there. So it's not that they couldn't get it. They wouldn't touch it. You get a script for some drinks. man, man, no. The answer is no, we don't have it. You used to go to CBS and get that shit. So it was still wide open in California.

It was still like, hey, we don't care. Kind of like when Florida starts selling the pills. Right. We even look at Florida like, damn, they was getting it like that. Right, right. So it hadn't caught on. Cali wasn't hot yet. It wasn't hot yet.

Okay. And they let them doctors hustle their ass out. But then why did the price go from $50, wholesale for a pint to $450. Everybody's trying to go get it. So when I leave now, my people now, you start spreading motherfuckers talk too much. Right.

So now you have way too much competition trying to get a scarce product. You know how it went up? Because when I'm there, I'm like, okay, look, all right, how many you got? How much you want for them? $200? Okay.

I give you $225. When you get some more, I'm going to pay you $25 more to just sell them to me. But when I leave, somebody else pull up and they say, oh, you charge them $2.25, I'll pay $250. Then when they leave, the next person pull up, I'll pay $2.75. Now I'm coming back, and I'm, whoa, what you mean? Oh, bro, it went up $2,000.

But it's like he was doing this. Don't worry about it. I'm going to go message this other guy. So by the time they all got on this, it took a couple of years for them to get all on the same. same page in California because it was new to him. I used to walk through the neighborhood, go to the, in the middle,

I'm talking about Main Street Mafia Crip neighborhood, go to their pharmacist, meet the security guard. He load my car up in front of these guys. And they look at all that, go that dophine, they're drinking that bull shit from Texas, not knowing

we was getting hand over fist because they're looking at like, oh, $50 a bottle, $25 a bottle. I'll tell you, a funny story. We got busted out there one time, right? This is how, I don't say lame. This is how green they were with the game in California, right? So I get off the play.

My brother them are already at the hotel. They're in Gardena, right? So I ain't ever been in Gardena. I like to kind of stay in, like, the rapper part of L.A., like, Sunset. You know, 1-10. I just remember the 110, the 1-1-1, Lancashem. And I remember all these streets. Like, I like to stay.

there. That's why I stayed because... You just named like gigantic swaths of Los Angeles. You're being very broad. So what did you? You like to stay in North Hollywood? I would be like in the valley. Yeah, that's what I mean. So I love it. I think I had a apartment off Lancashire. That's why I remember. Yeah. Yeah. And then the studio was kind of close to that.

So we go there and we kick it in and load up the paints. But they had the room. So we collect, but we collect in the hoods. And then at night we take it on back to where we're. We're laying down that. Okay, so wait a minute. So you would go to hit different pharmacies in the hoods to get as much as you can from different. So you knew a lot of doctors.

We knew a lot of people that worked at the doctors, the doctors, the security guards, the gang bangers, their mamas, their cousins, their anis, everybody. If you got served, we wanted, and we're there. I feel like this is slept on. Like, nobody talks about that. That's why I told you. That's what I'm trying to tell you.

Like, we open that bitch up. And when I tell you, nobody was drinking. Now it's an epidemic down there. They drank a syrup. We left, man, now check it out. They disagreeing they were.

Down to the police. Bro, I fly in. They had a hotel. We didn't Uber. We called a cab then. Call the cab to there. Now, before I got there, I about 100 paints on the way there.

My buddy I already called. He's like, hey, man, I got 100 over here, so I stop over there, grab them. I'm dragging these fucking suitcases, right? These plastic bottles So they're nowhere near as heavy As the glass bottles So, but I got two fucking

Luggages and I'm fucking dragging these bitches And they got And I hate the room with the outside Like where your door is facing the outside Somebody can anybody can walk up to your door And fucking kick I hate those kind of rooms A motel? Yeah

That's what that would be a fucking motel Man I hate And so I'm talking shit I'm like Bro why y'all get this rag glass Mother fucking hotel Motel. He said motel. Like, I get this motherfucker with this dough. I'm talking shit,

right? Yeah. I'm smoking. You know, that California good. I'm smoking. And I look that way, I see two county sheriffs, right? Two brown suits, I guess they're police or county sheriffs, whatever they are.

They're walking up. And I do this here. Now, I'm from Texas. Wheed is illegal out here. Then we fuck by no weed in California. I still have to adjust to these things, right? So I swing the do bag instead of me pulling it, I kind of go in the door like that and I got the weed. That motherfucker stuck his baton in the door.

What the fuck you doing? I say, ah, nothing much, sir, just, you know, he, oh, y'all in here getting high, huh? This motherfucker, open the door. It looks like a fucking insane science class in this motherfucker. We got tired detergent, we washing them out because they, we had to have all these different ways to get it back. We got grape things. We got all these different ways to get this shit.

shit back home, right? In there, but we got paint bottles everywhere, and they're empty, and they we try. They're like, what the fuck are y'all doing in here? Now, this is a fucking whole motel, right? This is a motel with the beds right there already. There's no privacy

and no nothing. Yeah, it's ghetto as fuck. My brother Duke, for some reason, he thought that running and jumping on the shitter was going to get him out. He's running, he's going to jump on shit. So I'm sitting there by the door. I'm closer because I'm the one that was right there, and he's like, what's going on?

He's like, man, what the fuck of y'all doing in here? My brother, milk come up with. Man, we're making a concoction. What y'all making that damn college date, rape, drug shit you're putting on them girls? Hey, y'all, we was making like some roofy shit that we spiked with the drink. Who the fuck is this?

So he's looking at the bottles. And they're like, man, those are over-the-counter. That's like, y'all got cough syrup in here? What the fuck? Because it says cough syrup on the month. Right. He's like, they read the bottle. And he said, oh, this ain't shit.

I said, yeah, that's come over the counter. We used that to spike it. Why y'all have so fucking many? I'm like, shit, you know, that's how we, you know, make the college drugs. We're addicts. Yeah, yeah, right. We're fucking junkies. That's how we do it.

No, I'm going with his shit. He's talking about this is a roofie. I'm like, because he looked and talking like, oh, that ain't shit. Like, I can tell it vibe. You don't look like a college student, Mike. I know, right. And he like, it worked. I'm telling you, bro.

Because that motherfucker say, that motherfucker said, all right, come on. Now, I had a warrant in Texas. My brother had a warrant. So they put us in the back of the police car. So now they got all my money out. I got $20,000 in every pocket. I'm talking about this motherfucker, counting all the money. I said, we're in the back of the police car, so they got all this shit.

So in Texas, we fried. We gone forever. What do you have warrants out for in Texas? I had one for some of us. We were taking peels from Texas to Louisiana, and we got caught on the highway. So I had caught the charge in Beaumont. What kind of pills? It was the hydrocodones.

Okay. Yeah, so we was taking them to Louisiana along with the drain. So they caught us going out that way. But it was during when they had the hurricane and all that shit going on. Katrina, 2005. It was one in Katrina, then it was one after that one. Okay. You remember that other one was by Allison?

Ike. Aite. Yeah. So it was two of them back to back. So Katrina Brown-A-Mau-Too. And then I fucked up the whole court system. So I had a warrant, but it washed Beaumont out. So no, it's a whole gang of us with warrants.

We didn't know. Right. So when they pull up my name in the system, it's a warrant. Like, because, oh, we ain't went back to report the court shit. So the motherfucker, go down there. He, like, he kind of all the money. He takes out there. He's like, we're thinking, man, we fried, bro.

It's over. Because we're in Texas. I probably just not be getting out. Really? So there was that many pills you got knocked? No, this was that many bottles of drink. We in California with the Serb. Now, I had an open warrant for the pills back in Texas. I'm thinking they got us in the back of the car because of the serve upstairs.

They got us in the back of the car because of the warrant. He got a warm. Nobody else in the car but us two. I said, man, you think they're talking? I'm thinking, I said, man, what's going on? The lady comes to the car. She opened the back door. They're all lucky day, man.

Go ahead and we're highly. child, we don't give a damn about that warring in Texas. Straighten that shit up when you get back home. See, California won't extradite won't come get somebody state to state. Texas is the only state that will come get you anywhere in the world. That comes to Japan for a parking ticket.

You know what I'm saying? They need you working in the fields. Exactly. But California is so laid back when it comes to that shit, bro. They was like, we don't hear a fuck about that shit. Y'all take care of that shit when y'all get down there. He said, man, as a matter of fact, come on up here. Let me come up here. Let me count this money out. So I'm like, oh, they're trying to get us with the money.

I'm overthinking myself now. Like, I'm like, oh, they're trying. If I say this is my money, fed's coming. I don't this drink up in here. Oh, we finished, bro. This motherfucker here, man. I'm talking about, bro, he goes, he counted money out. He's like, so this your money right here?

I'm like, we used to. I don't know what to say. When you get caught on the highway, you get caught with money. It's not yours. It's a case. That's all I know is to say. yeah yeah

who money is is your money no no I'm like what the fuck I don't know what to do

he's like look it's either your money or the fuck is not if I got to call my fucking superiors here we're gonna have a problem

if this is your fucking money just take your fucking money I just don't want you motherfucker saying we took some of it now mind you you got a big ass camcourt in the back

over him and I'm like man how much money was it it was that 80,000 it was I had 20 I remember that because they had 20 000 in each pocket so did you I you guys never consider you got 80,000 dollars you never thought you know we'll get we'll get a hotel hey we'll we'll spring for uh that's what the fuck we'll spring for a holiday and express that's what I was mad about boss you feel me now you that's what I had the door open I'm talking shit but you wouldn't be you Houston cats wouldn't be Houston Cats if you did the right thing.

Right. And also, they look at you so crazy in those hotels. I used to go to those. That's true, though. That's a good point. Yeah. They look at you fucking crazy, bro.

Like, you're doing something wrong. And then we like to smoke that loud ass weed. Right, right. Well, yeah, when you're hauling literally cases and cases, you probably couldn't do that in a nice hotel. You can hide from the city there, but she's actually hiding in the police site. Right. It's like you being like with them.

Because even them, they was like, Hey, man, get the money. Go on on. Like, man, cut the camera off, he said, look, I know what the fuck. This is not Texas. We don't give a fuck about what y'all down here doing. We care about guns, cocaine, and murders.

If you ain't doing that, get the fuck out of our state. If you doing whatever y'all doing hustling, we don't give a fuck. I'm still like, no. Yeah. He's like, look, take a fucking money. We get on. So we sat there in the room, basically. He didn't take none of the drink.

He didn't take none of the money. We sat there in the room thinking all night that when we leave, that's when we're going to go to jail. Not that they don't give a fuck, but that's how green they were to it. We stayed there all night, moved out, nothing happened. You know what I mean? We got away.

I'm like, damn, so when we did that, it opened my brain up and on. I said, they don't fucking know what's going on. Wow. Man, we start every wish way to get up out of it, driving it, flying it, mailing it, chilling it. Whatever way we could get at home. That's how we did it from that.

Did something to me. And that took us to the next level. Like, man, oh, shit. Oh, so your lean journey isn't over. No. I just kicked it in part two. You just had like a renaissance from this Callie Connect. And it came all the way back over.

The only thing that stopped is in 2008 I went to prison. I would probably still been selling them for whatever price they is right now had I didn't go to jail because it allowed it to pocket to open. Why I had to fuck open? So now so many people became the, Drake man. You know what I mean? Because now it was like, everybody wanted to do what I was doing. So were you, how much were you supplying in 2007 compared to like 1992? Nowhere's near, but we were making good money.

But the price point was way higher. The price point was way high. Right. See, we went from hundreds of cases to hundreds of bottles. Right. Because you could, you can only get so much back. Right. You feel what I'm saying? What was a regular re-up coming back from California? I would stay until I run out of money. So what I would do is have them come in, go out, money come in, because you know you got to regulate how much you got coming in. On the airplane. I try to keep it like $100,000.

$100,000. So I stay from Monday to Friday, and then I go home until I get tired. Until they're telling me, oh, it's going to be on Friday. And then it'll be like, well, you probably need to come back Monday. We ain't going to have nothing to Monday. So I sneak back home because it's rolling by itself, but it's on autopilot at this point. So you're moving $100,000 a week buying $100,000 and then shipping it off? And then what can you turn $100,000 into?

you're going to double. And then it went to like $250. So like, and when everybody starts fighting the prices, you start going up instead of the double, you're making a hundred. You know what I mean? You're making $300. Now you're making $250.

Now you're making $200. It got to be worth it for it to go. I would never go over $250 a price profit if I'm spending $400. You feel what I'm saying? So you had a team back here in Houston. And they're running through it. Wow. They run through it.

So what I do is have that team when they, When that girl make it, strap up with their money, send her back, boom. So we keep it. I try to keep at least about $100,000 at the time. So we have somebody in the air at least twice or three times a week. With the cash or the work? The cash. So you put the $100 Gs in your check luggage?

Well, you probably just, you know, as you go, each person's different. Yeah, you can put in your check luggage. You can have some on you, some put up. You know what I mean? Did you ever get stopped? You ever had mules get popped? get pop with the cash? Yeah, yeah.

All the time. You know, anything going to LAX now seem like get popped. Do they seize the money? Hell, yeah. They've done that a couple times. But more so, like, before, like right before I got locked up,

that's because they were kind of targeting those airports then. It seemed like, you know how when one person get popped. They tell them what everybody doing. So then I moved to Ontario County. Right. You know what I mean? To that airport.

and we just move around, like trying to move around to each. You know what I mean? Each one of the little airports. And you could lose 100 G's and get a clip to keep rolling? I'm going to tell you how serious this drain game was. I would have, and this was real, it would be sold before it got there. People would send their money to me. I would make profit while I'm out there.

I already got the profit when I mean. So I was standing there. in California. So when you see, say if you send me 150 grand, probably about 50 grand is mine off the top. And I just get your shit in the room. And then I use, by the time, three, four days old, if I'd have made $200,000,

I'm playing with the house money at this time. So if I sit out there and make $200,000, before I leave, I'll score it with that $200,000 go home. Now, I took care of everybody else. So now I come home and then I'm, you know. I mean, This is the best hustle I've ever heard of. Can I do this?

I'm doing podcasting. I'm working way too hard, man. Why are we doing podcasts? Wow. It's just not around. You can't get it. You can't get it in abundance no more. That's why I don't get a fuck about talking about it

because nobody can find 100 pints. Nobody can find 50 pints. You may get three or four pints. And if you're mad about three or four pints selling the game, and that's some sick of shit. So do you think that because the supply, constrained only it's become a delicacy now

because it's so expensive when it does come through that only rappers, only future and two chains. Big drug dealers. Right. Even these rappers be going broke on that shit, bro. Because if you're trying to drink something that costs $3,000 a bottle, right?

I drank, drink. So meaning if we drink and we get a pain on that table, that motherfucker ain't going to be that tomorrow. We're going to drink. We're going to drink this shit. I'm going to put a four in there for you and a four in there for me

and we're going to get hired. We got the drink on the table and I got you to do it like, man, let's do some fucking leave, mate. We ain't drinking that shit. So that's $3,000 every other day. So that's $1,500 a day. The habit is stupid as fuck to have right now. I don't care how rich you are.

You're going broke on that shit, brother. Like, for real, like if you're taking that and you got, just say $1,000 a day. Just say if you can't. Bro, that's $7,000 a week. That's $5,000. 35, 50 Gs a month. Yeah.

So it would be like a hedge fund manager from New York. It's 30 grand of fucking money. Drinking like the highest end age whiskey, scotch, VSOP. Right, okay. Every day, though. Right. You know what I mean? And I've seen that too.

And that's kind of what had me like on that. Like, damn, oh, people do do that. Because they might have a, you know, fucking Louis the 13, that's $7,000 at that dinner. Then they have another dinner that's, you know, we start stepping to the other side of life. you start seeing it like, oh, shit, it's just different levels to the game.

Motherfucking stupid on this level, too. Okay, but to just dry drink syrup to meet $28,000, 30,000, something you're going to pee out every month. I know some other shit you could have did. Because at the end of the year, that's what? You're making street money. You ain't really making it. These people doing that, they didn't just pop the million-dollar deal somewhere.

Right. Five, six million-million dollar deal. They can fucking drink $7,000 worth of Luey to $13. Yeah, most drug dealer. can't drink. Hell no. $350,000 worth of shit every year. And sustain.

Right. Or a rapper. But it is habit forming, though, then. Very habit formed. So, because I'm trying to understand, all right, if there's a huge market in the height, in the good old days, right, the 90s, early 2000s, what happened to all those addicts, all those people that had to happen? They all peels and they got their city, they got their life.

together or they own pills. Right. Okay. That makes sense. You know what I'm saying? They're on the next opiate. I got you. See, you know, an opiate is the thing about people don't understand with opiates, like the next opiate

will take you over. Like, you know what I mean? That's why it's such a big crisis with this shit. It's such a big problem. You know what I mean? I always say go through the seven days. It's only seven days. See, that's what we didn't know how long that fucking shit was going last. Being sick. It's three to seven days.

Right. And you're not going to die. Definitely not going to die. It feels like it. Yeah. But even the pills, man, get out of that shit, man. Yeah. I take the seven days, man.

Your whole life going to open up. Man, when I went to prison, man, my whole eyes opened up. I could see, I could hear, I could talk. I was like, man, it's like I was living in a big clock.

Right, right. Like in a big fog. You know what I mean? Like, it's like I couldn't. And then when I finally got myself together, I'm like, man, you know, damn. I feel great. Right.

You know what I mean? Yeah. But you just living in. and your problems and you, you know, suppressing everything, man. That's why people killing themselves at a long rate these days. I know. I know. What did you go to prison?

What'd you go to prison for? Man, drugs. So you went down for that bid that you talked about, the pills? Well, yeah, I did. That was the last time. That was this last time. You're right. But that's, tell us about that.

Yeah. Tell us about that because that's what ended the run for you. Yeah. Man, it was bad, man. It's bad. At the end, I was wanted in Beaumont, I was telling you about, I ended up catching a case in California.

I finally ended up going in the FedEx. I called the case there. For the lien? For the lien. Okay. Shipping the lien. And then I had melted on this side, and I got busted in Fort Bend on this side at the house waiting on it,

knowing that this shit was hot. Because if the mail tells you, he's going to be there at a certain time it's going to be there if the FedEx the mail can be late but the FedEx overnight

be there by 10 a.m. That you just paid 200 bucks for never it can't be late if it is no good no touchy

yeah so I fool myself so I know I'm on at all these places so in my mind I was like fuck it I'm hustling

until I get caught baby it's kind of feel like uh who's the boy depth, you know what I mean, on blow. Oh, yeah. I don't fucking get this money and just get to it, bro. I'm all.

So now I'm waiting on the package. It's two days late. I'm knowing something ain't right. Now my sister, she, I just got busted in California. You feel what I'm saying? Trying to mail it. So I'm dead with that system. So now I've got to have somebody else do it.

See, that's what happens. The plane gets fucked up. Somebody got busted on the plane from it wasn't me. Then I get busted in the mail. All the signs telling you to stop, but can you ever stop? Hell no, because the bills keep coming. Life keep coming. People

think, well, where the millions is at? Man, that shit go with the game, baby. He go as you living. You make it fast, you spin it faster. Period. You're going to make some cool decisions here and now, but you ain't on. You think tomorrow you're going to make another million.

Another hundred thousand. You're not you like, fuck that. When you like Louis Vuitton, Cartier, and Hermes and all that shit. Right, that shit gonna go, man. Yeah. Yeah, and not your own life. But I'm waiting on the pack to get here. Everything is all, everything unfolded.

So I'm waiting on the package. I'm like, it's two days late. I call them. I said, hey, let me talk to the supervisor. I've been waiting two days, da, da, da, da, and I paid. Next day, he's like, oh, it's coming today. It's already en route. Now, I tell you, I got, you get these stomach pains now.

Now this is the bad part about it. I'm bawled up because everybody waiting on me. My addiction knew, my mind knew that this ain't right. Two, three days, two days late, a day late, maybe. Two days, three days, no fucking way. They're getting a warrant. They got you, buddy. Yeah.

So when they bring the packages, it was three days later. Now, as I said, it wasn't two, it was three. So they bring it in plastic bags. Now, they got all these things. I had to start putting them in the bottles when I could go through the mail. So 10 feet in each, they had eight boxes here. They had eight boxes. It was almost 200, 200 panes all together.

But it was in the 10-shoe box. I could put 10 in each box, 12 in each box. Something busted en route. That's what got a moment. One of the boxes, bottles busted, and the box was leaking, and that's what made them fucking go in it. So when they brought it to me, it was in a plastic bag. I guess they tried to figure out how to get it to me

and me dumb enough to take it. At this time, I'm dumb enough to take it because, you know, when you're on the run and you got the money to make, and now you're drinking this shit, your addiction, your money, your dis and dependency, and everybody depending on you. So it all crumbles in the end,

kids, you know what I mean? So, they got in the plastic bag and I get it. I look, I don't see nobody. I tell my girl, go around there and see, because the way my garages was, I couldn't see the front of the street. She could go around the house, go around. I dragged that motherfuckerback in. By the time I opened it, cut it,

I could cut open the box because the liquid that went through the cardboard. I could cut it open from the outside. I said, man, this is what the fuck happened. I'm telling it. I say, I ain't a fuck it. But boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. I'm telling my wife about this. I'm like, dude you motherfucker. Man, I hit that motherfucker.

I said, I really knew it. I said, of course, you can't drink nothing like that when that type of pressure on you. You can try. You can try. It's never going to work, but I definitely went out like a G and I hit that motherfucker. I said shit. They were banging on the door? I was down the police.

It was the feds or? No, I was just a record. Okay. Thank God it wasn't. You know, and I mean. Right. And they showed. should have been through the mail, but they didn't get us.

You know what I mean? Thank God. That's what I was scared of. But when I went to jail, that's when all the other cases caught up with me. They gave me no bun. So I had to sit there from 08 to like 2012. And I've been home and shit. Every since then, just on the right straight and arrow, you know what I mean?

Just trying to stay the fuck out of jail. Won't do that, you know, telling these stories and, you know, going over into the podcast space and, you know, shit like that now. Amazing. Amazing. Just producing. Peace of history, man. Peace.

But we fucking, we fucking created that lane that all these guys from Atlanta, the shit, even Philly, you know what I mean? Yeah. That they all, even up to New York now, shit, it's really coast to coast now. Yeah. It's like Texas, you say, you say, lean, you think Texas. Of course. And that's the original story how it started.

You know what I mean? That's how this shit really coincided to the music, to the culture, to what you see today in real life, bro. Sipping on some scissors, man. y'all get ready for the movie too it's coming too man wow instead of cocaine cowboy be codeine cowboy dude I fucking love it

I love it it's gonna be Cody's story the codeine cowboy fucking cocaine cowboy yeah it's awesome and I haven't besides my channel to where we do story time and I tell these guys about different shit that

happened because I learned that in prison how he don't rap for you fuck that like you know plus you get older like I just like produce and kind of put my money behind it and shit like that. But you ain't from to have Mike D. up in no motherfuckers and saying, oh, we have him rapping all the time. Right.

He got me fucked up. I sit up and I tell him motherfuckers different stories. Me and DJ Screw did this. Me and Fat Pat did that. Me and Pimsy did this. You know, what we did in California. I just gave you kind of like the movie synopsis to what we're going to cover basically in the movie.

But, bro, it's so many different. Many stories. Into all these stories that we got enough for. like how power was doing it and how everybody tells their cocaine stories and not. And we're telling the codeine stories like that because that's what we created and the screw stories. We created a genre of music. Who the hell can say that they know someone or been a part of a movement that created

a genre, rock and roll, blues, R&B, rap, chopped and screwed. It's a genre of music. Chopped and screwed. Wow. Wow. Yeah. And look, a lot of different types of genres of music have been driven by drugs.

You know, if you look at, if you look at, right, it's a great point. All of them, right? Like, if you look at the Bee Gees, you look at the Bee Gees in that era, like that's cocaine all the way, you know what I mean? Acid, LSD, right, for Pink Floyd and, and like the 60s and grunge music, Nirvana, driven by that fucking black tar heroin, you know what I mean? For real, damn. So it's jazz driven by that, the reefer sticks from the 40s, you know?

For real. That's really incredible. I can't wait to see it. Where can we see your channels? Plug, plug away, man. Man, my channel is one-on-one with Mike D. And it's Mr. Who shot, who? We went last year, we went viral for having Toulow on the channel, right, guys.

Let me just tell you. This is me, Mike D, one-on-one with Mike D with Tee with Toul accidentally almost, you know, banged himself live on camera. So we went like crazy probably, went like almost a billion views, man. how we got in the podcast space and we took off like a rocket. Jimmy Kimmel threw us a hell of an alley-oop. He came back and he put it on there and everybody went back and watched it, man, and it was crazy, man. It happened a lot.

To me, I didn't realize what it was going to do or how it was going to do. You know what I'm saying? I always say it was a firecrack in his pocket, but if you know, you know. You know what I mean? I'm glad he didn't hurt himself. Sure. And my Frenchie was right there. And I guess that's the funniest part because when they said, like,

I'm going to show you the clip, the crazy part is like, So the choices you make, Fow! And then he grabbed his pocket and we look around and somebody in the back and say, it's Lord, you shot yourself? And I'm looking, I say shot, who shot? It all in one motion the way it was like,

because I had the headphones on, see, you don't wear headphones. So the noise suppressor made it sound like a... Right. See how you got that deadness in here? It didn't sound like somebody, a shot went off. And it was right in front of me.

But the way I kicked my leg up and say that everybody there, Everybody they had us on. Lord, they even voted us like top five most vile clips in 2020- I can't believe I haven't seen that. Yeah, so I'll show it to you when we go off, man. You're going to die laughing, man.

But the thing is, man, is that y'all can go check me out on the one-on-one with Mike Dee, the dirty third podcast, even one of my podcasts, and that you can go check it out. We got story times coming. I got five in the building. You already know he's with me.

That's my right hand. Shout out D-guided. to shout out everybody in Houston, man, and y'all know what it is, man. Y'all support this, man. And y'all, in the comments, I want y'all to show my boy what, hey, what Texas are all about.

So y'all stand up for us in this one. Not just Houston. We need the whole Texas to stand up, man. Let's go so we can come back and do it again after the movie come out. That's it, man. Mike D. What a pleasure.

You want to stick around for the bonus and talk a little bit more shit? Let's get it. All right, man. You guys, this was an all-time great. Nobody has a story like him. Mike D. go fucking check out his channel, follow him, support him.

Shout out to Houston. That's right, man. Hottest chicks in the country. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, man. Oh, you said it. Only place you can find a Vietnamese chick with a tattoo of a tiger on her butt.

Very weird. And she got a cornbread fed backside. And I'm talking about she meant you want to know why she got their bubble on her butt. We fed a cornbread, man. I'm worried about it, man. She all right. Patreon.

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They're picking it up tomorrow. Nothing went wrong. So what's the problem? That is the problem. Nothing in my life goes to smoothie. I'm waiting for the catch. Maybe there's no catch. That's exactly what a catch would want me to think.

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