The Connect- with Johnny Mitchell - How A Mexican Narco Dynasty Built A U.S. Drug Empire

Episode Date: October 11, 2026

Martin Munoz up in Anaheim, just minutes from Disneyland—but behind the scenes, his family was connected to a completely different world. In this episode, Martin tells the story of growing up around a family involved in high-level drug trafficking between Mexico and Southern California. He describes an uncle who operated at a major level before mysteriously disappearing in Tijuana, a father who went on to become a major meth and cocaine distributor, and how he eventually found himself stepping into the same business. After his father was arrested, he says his dad’s right-hand man was told: “Go grab my son and let him run with you.” From there, the operation grew fast. Martin eventually found himself receiving as much as 100 kilos of cocaine a week, handling massive amounts of cash, meeting his father’s network of customers, and running stash locations throughout Orange County. He talks about: • Growing up around narcos, gang members, money, and violence in Anaheim • His uncle’s rise—and mysterious disappearance in Mexico • How his father built his own trafficking network • Getting introduced to the business as a teenager • His father’s arrest and the moment he was brought into the operation • Receiving 100 kilos of cocaine per week • Counting and collecting millions of dollars • The surveillance operation that eventually brought the feds to his door • His federal prison sentence and why he finally walked away from the life This is the story of a kid who grew up wanting to become a narco, eventually entered his family’s world, and learned firsthand where that life leads. Go Support Martin! IG: https://www.instagram.com/48ways/ YouTube: @48ways62 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/album/5kZEs5TcRjasUjFpdrdBv0?si=Fu_4vtUzTpGKqys9Tik7zg This Episode Is #Sponsored By The Following: PrizePicks! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/CONNECT and use code CONNECT and get $150 if you win your first $5 lineup! Hims! Ready to build a better sex life? Visit https://hims.com/connect for a personalized plan—for sex, hair, weight loss and more. Prescription products require an online consultation with a licensed healthcare provider who will determine if a prescription is appropriate. Restrictions apply. Individual results may vary. *Based on a survey of Hims customers. See hims.com for full details. GLD! New customers get 40% Off with code MITCHELL at https://gld.com Join The Patreon For Bonus Content! https://www.patreon.com/theconnectshow 0:00 Meet Martin Muñiz: Inside a Narco Family Dynasty 2:05 Growing Up Around Anaheim Gangs and Cartel Money 12:05 His Uncle's Meth and Ephedrine Empire 18:54 How the Family Came from Mexico to California 26:54 This Episode Is Sponsored By PrizePicks 28:03 His Uncle's Cartel and International Smuggling Routes 36:29 The Mysterious Disappearance of His Uncle 42:41 Living Between Street Gangs and Drug Kingpins 48:32 How His Father Rebuilt the Family Business 59:10 This Episode Is Sponsored By Hims 1:00:29 Corruption and Smuggling at the U.S.–Mexico Border 1:07:05 Entering the Drug Game at 18 1:14:00 From Small Deals to Moving Pounds of Meth 1:22:22 Getting Access to His Father's Supply 1:26:18 This Episode Is Sponsored By GLD 1:27:39 His First Big Deal With His Dad 1:39:50 His Father Gets Arrested 1:50:15 Taking Over the Family's Drug Network 1:58:18 His Dad Flees to Mexico and the Business Expands 2:05:04 Stashing and Distributing 100 Kilos of Cocaine 2:12:48 The Dream of Becoming a Kingpin in Mexico 2:23:31 The First Sting and Police Raid 2:31:13 Managing Millions and Tracking Missing Loads 2:40:39 Stolen Drugs, Enforcers, and Cartel Violence 2:49:52 The Hawaiian Distributor Who Became an Informant 2:55:13 Realizing Federal Agents Were Following Him 3:03:56 Why His Father Turned Down El Mayo Zambada 3:12:16 The Plot to Kill Martin 3:18:38 Finding a Tracking Device on His Car 3:26:33 The DEA Arrest and Raids 3:31:30 How the Informant Built a Federal Case 3:42:43 Facing 12 Years in Federal Prison 3:54:15 How His Father Retired from Drug Trafficking 4:03:25 Life After Prison: Rap and the Music Business 4:11:00 Regrets, His Children, and His Father in Mexico Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

As a kid, I wanted to be a narco in elementary. Kids wanted to be fucking Batman, Superman. Like, I really wanted to be a narco because that's what I was seeing. It all started with my uncle. My uncle used to show up, like, two suburbs. Gang members would come out, open the door for him. And they had people in Border Patrol and people in the crossing. It was deep.

My uncle was driving with, you know, his right-hand man down to TJ from Rosarito. They got fake, arrested, taken somewhere, tortured, and killed. Bodies never found or nothing. I get introduced as Martin's son. You're going to be seeing him now. Now I know all these people that are just ballers, moving, work, like crazy work. Now I'm collecting the big money. I'm receiving 100 a week.

Where are you keeping 100 keys? Either an apartment or a house. And then these two guys walk in, right? And one of them says, you're under arrest. And I saw the badge and I looked closer. And I said, DEA. How do Mexican drug cartels actually operate inside the United States? One word, family.

Martine Munis is a second-generation drug kingpin from Orange County, California. He grew up in a family of Narcos. His uncle and his father were bosses from Halisco who controlled drug routes in every major plaza along the U.S. Mexico border, from Tijuana to Juarez. Thousands of pounds of amphetamine precursors, crystal meth, and pure cocaine, smuggled into the U.S. every month and delivered straight to Martin at their stash house in Anaheim. Martin was head of logistics for the family business. He supervised dozens of distributors across the United States and was in charge of shipping his father's money back to Mexico, millions of

dollars every week. These days, Martine is home from the feds and the family business is all legal. Make sure to check out his music and follow him at 48 ways. Ladies and gentlemen, this is the most authentic look inside the world of a family drug dynasty during the golden age of the Mexican It's Martin Muniz right here on The Connect with Johnny Mitchell. Everybody has haters, you know? And, you know, it's just the way it is. But one thing about my pops was that he used to be like, he would keep it cool with everybody.

Because there was times where he'll call me, for example, and be like, hey, my friend over here has 25 burritos over there. Burritos are pounds of dope. And he'll be like, he has like 25 that are. are stuck, can you help? And I'll be like, nah, fuck that. Like, you know, I got 25 other ones I got, I'm trying to move. And he'll be like, ah, come on, let's move his real quick for cheaper.

He's going to, you know, they're cheap. He's stuck with him, super cheap. Just move on. Let's do them a favor. As a matter of fact, if we got some money right there, send it and I'll give it to him so we could clear that, you know, those 25 and I'll be so mad. Like, fuck that, dude. I don't even know him.

But he'll, he'll always explain to me. me like it's better to keep cool relationships than make enemies with these people because you know anything can happen you know and he's over there so I would you know I would okay that I got you so it's like it seems like when you violate the danger is always in Mexico in Mexico so he wants you to do a favor on this side yeah for the other team or for you know competition so he stays safe and cool over there yeah yeah because John danger here? Not really because here I'm from a neighborhood. I had homeboys. You know, my neighborhood became literally in the 90s, early 2000s, my neighborhood became like the strongest neighborhood in

all of Anaheim. At one point, all of Orange County, we were like, you know, under Sana, who died, who was a big homie from Orange County. We were under him. So we had like, you know, a lot of power in Anaheim, you can say. And then in Orange County, at one point, we had like, through the drugs and the violence, and, you know, we just had the money for weapons. You know, so it became over here, I was cool. But in Mexico, it's a whole different story. So most people think of Anaheim and they picture Disneyland. Yeah.

So tell us about the other side of the tracks where you come from. Well, Anaheim growing up had like 30 gangs, you can say. About 30 gangs. The thing with Disneyland is that Disneyland pays a lot of money for all that bad publicity. to stay under the radar. That's a fact, right? So, for example, where Anaheim is at, right behind Anaheim, it's a little street,

which we have a condo right behind Disneyland. So there's like apartments across the street from the condo we have. There's apartments across the street that used to be like a crazy-ass gang. Like they were, it was called Jeffrey Street and they were there. But Disneyland, after them being,

so violent and so much havoc, Disneyland paid for that whole neighborhood to get cleaned up. And all those people that live there, they got moved out. They all got like, you know, 20 grand, a household to move out. And then they cleaned up the whole place. So now in that neighborhood, that's right behind Disneyland, if there's three or more kids hanging out together, right away security or they'll call Anaheim gang unit. They'll come and, you know, hey, you guys got to break it up. You know, it's just like that. But, you know, there's gangs.

They're spread out. So, like, there's some gangs that are like, you know, a couple blocks away from each other. It's not like Al-Lay. Al-A, it's got, like, every block. But Anaheim's got like, Anaheim, you can say every gang is probably a little less than a quarter mile from each other. You know, so it's kind of more spread out. Yeah. I mean, you heard of hoodstocks?

I don't know if you heard of hoodstocks, but I went on hoodstocks and I told them that I said, you know, as a kid, like, I wanted to be a narco in elementary. While kids wanted to be fucking Batman Superman, like I really wanted to be an arachal. That's what I used to be like, man, I'm going to grow up and be an article because that's what I was seeing. Yeah.

I was seeing like, you know, Ferraris, Porsches, Suburbans back then that were now the escalate, you know, just everything that I was seeing, money, like I was just so nosy and I would ask my dad so many questions. And my dad was, me and my dad was always so tight. that he wouldn't hold back. Yeah.

And part of the reason why he would tell me everything was because he wanted me to know what was going on in his life. Mm-hmm. He always wanted me to know. So like his baby mamas, I knew them. My other siblings through, you know, through his baby mamas, I knew them. And they were all, they all lived, you guys all lived in Anaheim?

Yeah. Yeah, they are, his other two baby mamas that, you know, they lived, one of them lived in Anaheim. Now she lives like in La Habra. Mm. Okay. Were you the only sibling in the game? My brother tried it.

My brother tried it because he's younger than me. He tried it, but once he got robbed, when he got robbed and then a couple of other things happened, and then I told on him with my dad. I told him like he got robbed, like, you know. What did they get him for? About 20 Gs, about 20 Gs one time. That's nothing. At the time, it wasn't.

And it was more of a disrespect. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Because being a gang member, being from a hood, and we were so strong as a neighborhood that when that happened, like we literally went and like, I mean, I don't do that no more, but we literally went and kidnapped a dude from the hospital. He was having a baby. And we literally went to the hospital and kidnapped him,

threw him in the truck and pistol whipped them. And the next day I had some of the money. Yeah, it was a. But so that's why I was like, yeah, my brother's got to kind of, you know, stay away in a way. Like, he tried, but, you know, he just works now. Everybody, like, my story, everybody's legit now, dead or just living in Mexico. Yeah. Because I'm 45.

Like, we started since kids, you know. So it's everybody's legit. And that's the reason I'm able to talk about. Right. Because I reached out to one of my boys that's in Mexico. and I asked, I said, hey man, your solid opinion, like, what's up, should I mention my pops and, you know, our uncle? What do you think?

And he was like, what's already past tense? He did time. He's like, just keep it raw. Fuck you. And I'm like, all right. And that was like somebody that I really wanted like a solid, you know, like perspective on it. So a lot of the Mexican nationals, they got caught.

They bailed out or they had indictments on them here and they just fled back to Mexico. They wanted, belt out, stuff like that. Yeah. Some got busted and deported. Right. Some just took off because it was too hot here. You know, it was just different stuff. And then whoever stayed here and decided not to ever go on the run or nothing like me, we just all went legit.

Everybody's like plumbers now. You know, you got electricians, you know, just truck drivers. So everybody's just making good money now, you know, you can say. Do Mexicans like your dad or your uncle, do they look at it like, okay, I got a 15-year run in America, getting as much money as I can, and then I'm going to catch a case, do my time, and then come home? Like, do they look at it as like a short-term opportunity? Or do they not think that far ahead? No, you don't really think that shit's going to end? Like, for me, it never crossed my mind.

but you don't think that. For example, if my dad would have thought that, he'd be like a millionaire right now. But we never thought of that. You know, we just, you know, blow money, like, buy stuff, you know, just live life. So you never want to think, like, I'm superstitious. So I always used to be like, can't think negative. You know, like there were times where I'll go to my mom's and I'll sit down for like five minutes.

I'm just visiting my mom stopping by. And I'll sit down. like five minutes and then I'll get a call on one of the one of the flip phones and like hello all right all right I'm on my way and I'll hang up I'll get up like hey mom I got to go and like she'll be like man you just got here like but I got to go and then I'll be walking out and every time like it just felt like it happened every time she'll be like be safe good and I'll stop and I'm like mom don't tell me that because now I have to leave with that I'm like your voice in my head

Like now I have to carry on my day knowing what I'm doing. And my mom knew, you know, my mom, my mom, she was married to my dad, so she knew from kids, you know. And then, you know, we had restaurants and stuff like that. So, you know, my mom was like a, at one point my mom, you could tell she was like married to somebody, you know, just the way she carried herself, the way she looked, different cars, you know, just it was, you know, for being my dad, you know, coming, my family coming from. Mexico, they did a damn thing. You know, they did a damn thing. Like, we have family restaurants. One in Anaheim that's very freaking popular.

You know, one is Santa Ana, which is super popular. One is about to open in Rancho Cucamanga. There's another one in Eastvale. So there's four restaurants. At one point, there was more, but there's four restaurants that are, it's called Indomitrakhan. So it's authentic Mexican food. We have menudo every day.

It's just bomb-ass food. Like, you know, we're like five minutes from. Disneyland. So you guys really made it legal and illegal. You guys really made it here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you can say that. Yeah. So your dad, how old is he now? He's 67. Okay. So he's born in like 59, 60? He's born in 60. So he's from that Chalino Sanchez era. Funny story about Chalino. Okay. Chalino was going to be my uncle's compadre. In the game. In the game. Like when Chalino was trying to sing and my uncle was around still, He was going to be Chalino's compadre. Wow. Like, man, I'm telling you. And what happened? He just decided to give singing.

Well, Chalino got killed. All right, of course. Yeah, Chalino got killed and my uncle got killed in 92. After Chalino, nothing to do with that. But, yeah, they were going to be compadres. See, my uncle, my uncle was from Halisco. So my uncle was married to my dad's sister. Right?

So my uncle used to have all my uncle's cars back then, whether it was a Ferrar. a Porsche, freaking, you name it, any kind of Suburvans, you know, Cheyens, you know, the, you know, and all of them used to have in the front, in the windshield, they used to have Happies. So, Monko has like a shop out of LA, I don't even know if he knew what the shop looked like or anything,

but there was a shop called Happies out of LA. And old school, old school ballers will know exactly that shop. Because my uncle was huge, like he was, he was, was like on another level. If he would have never if he would have never disappeared because he disappeared. If he don't disappear, he would end up being

like a chapel. Back then, my uncle was one of the first in the U.S. to supply meth, crystal, glass. Right. Before it was speed and then

it became glass. Well, my uncle used to bring in tons from Thailand. He used to bring in tons of ephedron and buckets. five gallon buckets. So my uncle used to get a five gallon bucket of Ephedrin back then in 80s and early 90s before he disappeared. He would get like a five gallon bucket to my uncle of Ephedrin was about $7,500.

Well, that bucket used to be worth $25,000 in the U.S. And he used to bring in tons to T.J. So that's the level my uncle was on. And so he was moving it across into California. Into Anaheim. Wow. So Anaheim, he used to have trap houses in Anaheim, but they're called officinas. They're not trap houses.

They're called officinas where it's just storage. It's not like you're dealing out of there because it's too much work, too much product. So you're not dealing out of there. It's just a storage house. He would rent houses, rent houses out, about three houses and all spread through Anaheim, and he'll have just all the merchandise there. So if this was pre-glass, obviously because it's late 80s, early 90s, who are his customers? All cooks.

Cooks. Right. All cooks, Dom, because when once I got into the game at about ninth, well, the way I got in at 18 years old, I picked up an A ball from one of my dad's beritos. One of my dad's boys, you can say, right? So when I went like, hey, man, let me get something. Let me get, you know, let me get an A ball. Let me try to make some money. And he was like, nah, I can't.

Your pops will kill me. Like, man, I'm not going to tell him. Like, nah, I don't know, man. Like, I don't know. And the dude, the dude was early 20s. I was, like, 18. The dude was like, or mid-20s. So he worked for my pops.

He was one of his boys. So I went to him like, hey, let me get a ball. Like, nah, your dad will kill me, man. Like, no, I can't do that to him. Like, man, come on, man, I'm not going to tell him. Like, fuck. All right, here you go. And then I just started 20s.

So eventually. by like 19, 20 years old is when I went through somebody else, I got into my dad's crew through one of my older boys. I got in through my dad's crew. And at the time when I got in to just do runs, they had the ephedrine in full effect. So they had like a ton of effedrin where me and my boy, we went around all over, all around Orange County, just word them out, finding people that knew people. and like we would go and get introduced to cooks. So we go to cooks and we'd be like, hey, we got the, we got the peevot with us.

We got the pills. You got to buy five boxes, which is 16,000 pills, five boxes of ephedrine. You could only buy five boxes or more at a time. You can't buy less. So each box was going, each box at the time was going for like $2,500.

We would get it for like $2,000, and then we'll sell $5,000, sometimes 15, sometimes more. You know, and then my pops would, you know, collect all the money and they would break us off. Sometimes my little profit would be like $500, but we were constantly just looking for cooks because at the time everybody was cooking here, Riverside, you know, all the desert areas that were cooking at. I had no idea that Ephedrin was moved on that scale.

I thought it was just they would get dope fiends to go into pharmacies and just buy up. That's small time. Small time, right? Yeah, that's small time. So that was the genesis of your family's whole. story in the game was from your uncle bringing that shit in. My uncle introducing it to my family. Wow.

That's genius. I've never heard of that. Yeah, my uncle introducing it to my family and then taking my dad with him because they were already good friends. Even though they were brother-in-laws, they were like real good friends. And my uncle was like a serious gangster. Like I have, because I have uncles, my dad's brothers that are like serious man that are like with the business.

Like they're not afraid of shit. They were like afraid of him. And I used to see that and I used to be like, what the fuck? Like my uncle's a fucking G. And he was like, if you knew, like he was just a G,

bro, like so much of a gangster, you know, and just the way he dressed, everything about him, you know, and then my dad dressed the same, my uncles,

you know. So that's why I brought up Chalino. Did they have the look with the cowboy hat and the boots? My dad and my uncles, they wouldn't wear the hats. They would wear the ostrich boots. The Osor Migero,

which is that eater. the stingray, the Angula, they would wear the booze, they would wear like Levi, silk shirts, a bunch of jewelry rings, you know, just slick back hair, you know, they would just look, they would just look, you know, like some cowboys, you can say, some Paisa cowboys, but they weren't the type to wear hats. They never wore hats. They were caps. My dad wears caps. he always would wear caps, but not like the sombreros or those kind of hats. And what year did the whole family, your uncle, your dad, your mom, what year did they come to the States? They came to the U.S. in like, I think 79, I think, around there.

Like 78, 79 around there. I recently, we recently went like on a family vacation to T.J. took my grandma and my dad was there, a bunch of family members. And since my grandma's on her way out, you know, she's older. Like every chance I get, I try to pick her brain. So I'm like, hey, grandma, like, why didn't we end up in Chicago, for example, right? So my dad was like, because we ended up in California, what do you mean? And I said, nah, I said, there's a lot of Mitrakanos in Chicago.

I said, how did we not end up in Chicago? That's what I want to know. And my grandma stopped my dad, cut him off and said, well, he's right. She said, because my sister landed in Chicago first, but they didn't like it. It was too cold. So they transferred to California. And when they were in California, that's when they let us know, like, hey, it's cool over here. It's better over here.

Right. So then my uncle came, and then my uncle eventually brought, like, real soon brought my dad, my grandpa. all started bringing each other. Yeah. They all just started bringing each other. And then landed here in, landed in Santa Ana. And probably 78, 79, my grandma said. That's what my dad said.

They landed in Santa Ana about probably 78 around there. And Mitroikato's like stick together. Yeah. Very close people. Michoacano stick together. Call each other primos. Primos, yeah. And you guys, and they're just big narcos.

They're just known for having the work. Yeah, they're known for that. So can you talk about the connection that your uncle had to Halisco? Because that's where a lot of people from Mitchell Khan ended up. Yeah. So my uncle was born in Halisco, right? And he met my aunt in San Ana, California as kids. He met my aunt.

And he just, he was like a pot dealer. You know, he was just moving pot and stuff like that. So he started dating my aunt. and then became good friends with my dad. And then we eventually moved to Anaheim. So by the time we moved to Anaheim, we moved to Anaheim in like mid-80s, late-80s around there. But it was already in effect. Like, I wasn't really seeing my uncle that much because my uncle, we wouldn't see him that much.

We see him like once every three months. You know, he'll come around. And then when he came around, there was like a big event. Like out of nowhere where he'll come around and then like we'll go like to a lake and he'll go by like we'll see it. He'll go buy some jet skis like on the way like stuff like that.

Cash on the spot. Cash. One time he showed up we were kids, right? So he showed up to Anaheim to my grandma's house one time. He shows up and my uncle used to show up like two suburbans. Gang members would come out,

open the door for him. Wow. And then I once heard somebody call him Hefe and he looked at him and he said, don't fucking call me that ever again. He would, and then another word, if you ever use the word mafia around my uncle, I only heard it once around him. That was his son that said of the word. And he fucking flipped out and I was like, but I was a kid.

You know, I was, I don't know, eight years old, something like that. So when he said, my, my cousin was like, mafia something, or I want to hear some mafia music or something. My uncle, I remember he fucking snapped. Like, don't fuck ever use that word again. And I couldn't understand why. Because I didn't know what exactly was going on yet. But I was curious.

I was trying to catch on. So, like, for example, one time we were hanging out on my grandma's as kids. And my uncle shows up, you know, with two suburban as usual. He shows up and we're all there. And he comes up to the porch and a bunch of us kids. We already did everything for the whole day. We probably broke a window already. You know, we play soccer.

We did everything the whole day already. So he comes in. He's like, what's up, kids? What you guys doing? Like, nah, not the uncle. We're bored. Like, we're bored. Yeah, we're trying to find something else to do.

So he's like, all right. So he tells my uncles, hey, come on, hey, let's go. So they jump in the rides and they take off. So we just continue about, I don't know, an hour later, he shows up with some dirt bikes. Later on, I hear the story from my uncle, my dad's brother, tells us the story, right? Once we got older,

just one time we're just talking and he says that they ended up going to Ham Motorsport in Anaheim. They get there, right? So they walk in. My uncle tells us, you know, his boys, they hold up, you know, because he wasn't like,

hey, you got to roll with me, like, you know, inside the store, whatever. So they walk in, right? And my uncle's like, I want that three-wheeler and I want that four-wheeler. And that the salesman at the,

at the motorcycle place was like that he laughed, that he laughed like a uncle, because my uncle was in boots, you know, jeans, silk shirts, a bunch of jewelry, but, you know, I guess he probably thought it was just a baisa, right? So that he was like,

how you're going to pay for that? Uncle was like, cash, what do you mean? And he was like, okay, how? Like, man, they gave him like a bag or something

and he just started putting cash. And that the dude was like, what the fuck? And then he's like, well, how are you going to take him? And he's like, what do you mean how? Like, well, you need like a trailer. Well, fucking give me a trailer. The fuck, why don't you tell me that?

Give me a fucking trailer. Which one you're giving me? Like, without even seeing the trailer, without even questions, like, just boom, boom. And he shows up about an hour. And he's like, go, cabronos, go have fun. And we fucking, they're biking on the street, so they call the cops on us. Yeah. So they call the cops on us.

Like, these fucking kids. Because, bro, my house was like in elementary. I remember in elementary, maybe fifth grade, where I had a classmate, right? He was my friend. And I said, hey, bro, you ever seen a Ferrari in your life? And he was like, well, a toy one. Like, no, like a real Ferrari.

You ever see one? Like, no. You want to see one? Like, yeah, let's go to my house after school. Like, for real? Like, yeah. I'm going to show you a Ferrari. Like, all right.

So after school, he goes with me to my house. We go in the garage, open the garage, go inside, and I fucking uncover a Ferrari, a black Ferrari. Brand new at the time. Uncover a black Ferrari. And he's like, bro, I thought you were talking about a fucking toy Ferrari. What the fuck? And I was like, I told you I was going to show you a Ferrari, bro.

Like, you know, because we're living in the hood. It ain't nobody ever seen a Ferrari. Right, right. You know, so I'm like, this is a Ferrari, bro. Like, what the fuck, bro? Like, you know, So you're living, you're living ghetto fabulous. Why, why move out,

why not move out the hood? Your uncle is a genius. Why, why buy the black Ferrari but keep the family in the ghetto? The thing with the Ferrari was, it was confiscated from somebody. My uncle hadn't even seen that Ferrari. Because my uncle wouldn't be around California that much. He'd be in Guadalajara or in T.J.

I see. That's what he would be at. So a lot of cars that would end up in my house covered were a car that somebody owes some money and my pops went and picked it up. Right. And brought it home, covered it up. And then when the time came, he just either sold it

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Okay, so explain a person at your uncle's level. What is, he's spending most of his time in Mexico? Yeah. Is that because that's where the Fedron? That was his base. Right. My uncle's base was in Rosarito at the time. Okay.

Right. So till this day, I blame, I don't blame him, but I have an idea that Like, for example, the Arellanos, I believe they had something to do with my uncle disappearing. Okay, so was he working with the Arianos? No, he wasn't working with him. He was working out of Sinaloa. He was working with somebody from Sinaloa. So once I got older and I, like, you could say, really, really noticed the way the game is and really caught on to things,

That's when I was like, damn, I think that Arianos had something to do with them. Well, they were a bitter war. Yeah. The worst war that Mexico's ever had, basically, in Tijuana, was between the Arianos and Choppel. The thing with my uncle, he wasn't, like, from Sinaloa, from, like, their cartel or nothing. My uncle had his own.

My uncle had his own cartel. It was called a chickie mafia. He had his own little thing. So they weren't like huge, but they were like, you know, strong enough and big enough because he had he had relationships. He had like big relationships, you know. And later on, like I found out, you know, he was like super, like bigger than I really thought. He was bigger than what we thought as kids, you know? Was he moving Coke too?

Yeah, they were moving yay. They were moving some yay and they were moving meth mostly. Okay. But Ephedrin is what was skyrocketed him through the roof. And nobody else was doing that. So he probably just cleaned up. Yeah, he was making so much money. Yeah, he was bringing in a ton of Ephedron to T.J.

And that's what he was bringing in over here. So he spends most of his time in Mexico because that's where the stuff is coming in. Yeah. And then he's got his cells that are helping him. He's got his routes to get it across. He's got his routes. He had everything, his routes. You know, he had his people over here.

My pops was back and forth. All his boys, their boys. They're both back and forth. My pops was always gone like, you know, three months at a time. You know, he'll be in Rosarito, T.J. Gualajara or like he might call and be like, oh, I'm in freaking Canada right now. Like, what the fuck? What's you doing in Canada?

So they were moving work all the way to Canada? They were getting aedron from Canada at one point. And bringing it down. Bringing it down. Wow. Bringing it down. Coming in from the ports, like into Vancouver? Exactly where?

I'm not sure, but from what I understand, it's all planes. all through planes. Wow. All through planes, like a ton at a time. That's what my uncle was doing, like a ton, two tons at a time. In planes. And so they would fly it from Thailand? From Thailand to Mexico.

Yeah. Or to Canada. No, to Mexico. From Thailand to TJ. But what about Canada? What does Canada have to do with it? I'm fascinated. So later on, when the Thailand dried out, they had to get the ephedron from Canada.

I see. I see. Okay. That's where they started getting the fedrine. Oh, yeah, because they do have a lot less restrained. on like prescription precursors in Canada. That is true. I'm not too familiar with that?

Yeah, it is. That's why, because we're Canadian, and so whenever we used to go up there as kids, my parents were always load up on shit. Oh, cool. That they couldn't, like, you have to have a prescription for in the U.S. Yeah. It's a lot easier, like going to Mexico.

Like going to Mexico, right? So Canada is a lot of, much the same way. Oh, okay. Okay, so it makes sense. So, so you're on. is vertically integrated. Like he's got his distributors here, his people. Yeah. He's got the connect. Yeah. And he has the routes. And the routes. He had the routes. So he had his own means of smuggling it over. He had his own means of everything. He didn't have to use the

Ariano. No, he didn't have to use nobody. He had his own. He had his own. He was like a genius. Like he had his own everything. You know, and he would spend time in Sinaloa, you know, Guadalajara, T.J., California, but in California, he was wanted, so he would come back and forth with a different name. Okay. With a different alias. Yeah. And it always blew my mind how he was here when he was wanted.

Like, he was seriously wanted. He didn't care. Like, he would roll around. His vehicles all had traps. You know, they all had traps. That's what, like, the first time I ever saw, you know, hit some buttons and something opens up in a car was a kid. Like, what the fuck?

You know, in a Z71 that my dad had. My dad had a C71 lifted in the back seat. You hit a couple buttons in the front. And then on the roof of the truck, there was hitting buttons under the, like in the ceiling, right? So they were like hitting buttons. So once you hit a couple of buttons over here, you hit those buttons and a trap would come up under the back seat. And my uncle would fit an AK in there or my dad, they would fit an AK in there. and then just straps, guns, you know, it was full-blown, like, you know, traps in the cars.

And then later on, obviously, I saw, like, the aerostars, the little wind stars where the whole back parts, they would all open with buttons and the whole back panels would pop open. And then you feel like so much work. Of course. You know, and I just saw so much of it, you know. And even when he was here, he had bodyguards. Gang members? Uh-huh. gang members that were, because even, like, once he was gone, my dad had his own homies on his team

where he had a lot of, a lot of homies, a lot of gang members that were from L.A. So they would come to my house and I was still young. I would see them. I'll be like, damn, these dudes don't look like gang members, but they're gang members. But they'd be dressed, you know, nice clothes, you know, they wouldn't look like gang members, but they were full-blown gang members. Like, you could tell the way they talk, the way they carry themselves. But just the way they dressed was just different.

Like, damn, these dudes, you know, what the hell? Small cargo shorts, you know, like, these dudes, like, they don't really, I know they're homies, I know they're gang members. Because they used to, they used to see me like a little choolito. So they used to, the way they used to talk to me and be with me, right? It was like, they used to sometimes like, hey, Pichololo, you know. And I'll be like, hey, what's up? But they wouldn't act like it.

Right. But they would just talk to me, you know. Old school. And then sometimes they would ask me, like, what neighborhood are you from? And I would tell them, you know, and they'll be like, all right, cool. But they wouldn't get into dead, like, oh, I'm from this neighborhood or nothing. They would just keep it at a minimum, but they would ask me, like, well, who are you from? All right.

And sometimes they'll be like, hey, got any beefs over here, man, let us know. Because these were, these were, like, serious dudes, like, you know, hitters, you know? Yeah. And your uncle would just keep them around. My uncle would keep them around. My uncle would just keep them around. And then they would roll around with them everywhere, just roll around. Wow.

So he's the one that got your dad into the game. Yeah, yeah. And he brings your dad in. How was your dad working with him? And what was he doing for him? Doing runs over here. For example, in that, see, because when you work with a group, when you work in like organization, you could say,

you can, like, if my dad was over here, my uncle might say, like, hey, this dude over here owes me 200 Gs. can you go get him? I got you. Then my dad will go visit the person like, hey, boom. Might show up in the, for example, Ferrari or Porsche or, you know, or the money, you know. And then he will go with, you know, his boys, gang members, stuff like that. They will collect.

Or my father, I mean, my uncle might be like, hey, you know, I got so and so over there that needs 20 pounds or something or needs a couple buckets or, you know, and can you take care of that? Yeah, I got you. So my dad would do stuff like that. And then my dad had his own customers as well. Right. That's how my dad was able to make it also on his own. Yeah. You know, because once my uncle disappeared, once he died,

because he disappeared, nobody ever found his body, nothing like that. He just disappeared. So, yeah, let's talk about that real quick. So he obviously was killed in T.J. You think? So he was running his own little mini cartel. Yeah, yeah. He had, he must have had a beef,

with the main, with the Arianos, right? Because they were, that's their city, or it was. So that's how they looked at it. It was, the way, okay, so my uncle used to, my uncle had a partner, right? And they used to go, I believe they used to go like halves on like tons of Ephedrin, right? His partner was from Sinaloa, right? So they were partners. I was, as a kid, I was, I got to see him in Guadalajara.

I got to see that dude. Right. So his partner, I guess they got into a beef one time, right? They got into a beef. My uncle was in T.J. In Rosarito. And then his partner was in Sinaloa. So according to my dad, one time they got into it because a ton went missing.

Right. So a ton went missing and they got into it back and forth on the phone. And they threatened each other, right? Well, fuck, you too. Then, well, you know, you too. all right, it's on, you know, stuff like that. So then my uncle started having a lot of problems, you know, that I was hearing about as a kid.

You know, I was hearing stuff like he was having to move around the lot because he was starting to have a lot of problems. So one day, this is how I went down. They weren't Rosarito. My pops was with them. There weren't Rosarito in the house right by the water. And my uncle got like a call, right? So my uncle gets a call and my uncle's walking out of the house.

So he calls, my uncle calls his right-hand man. They called them Chano. So he says, Chano, let's roll. So Chano goes with my uncle. My uncle's name was Martin. So they jump in my uncle's car. My uncle had a brand new Lexus, a silver Lex, a charcoal Lexus at the time was new. Nobody had it in T.

T.J. So my uncle had a Lexus and TJ And then they had trucks like the Cheyennes, the Suburans, right? So my dad notices that my uncle and his boy are leaving So my dad runs out the house like, hey, what's up? Where are you going? And my uncle was like, oh, I'm just going to go down to TJ real quick And I'll be right back.

And my pops was like, nah, hold up. We're going to follow you. Wait up. And my uncle was like, nah, don't follow me. I'm going to come back real quick. And my post was like, nah, man, let me get the boys. Let me gather up the squad and we'll follow you. You can't just go no more.

Like those days are over of traveling by yourself. And he was like, nah, it's an order. It's an order you guys stay back. That's my order. And my house was like, fuck, he never gives orders. Like my uncle was, remember I told you he didn't like somebody saying, calling him boss? He didn't like it. So for him to give an order like that, it wasn't normal because he wasn't like that.

Because he wasn't like that. He wasn't like, oh, you got to do this. You got to do that. You know, he would like, hey, you want to do this? You know, I got you. So that's how my uncle was. So when he gave my dad an order, my dad was like, my dad knew it was wrong, but the boss is giving you an order, right?

So my uncle takes off. And there's different stories of once he took off. There's different stories that we've heard throughout time that would happen. So this isn't about 92 that this happened. So one story is that my uncle's driving with, you know, his right-hand man to down to TJ from Rosarito and that they got pulled over. They got the lights hit on them and then they got fake arrested, taken somewhere, tortured and killed. Bodies never found or nothing. There was another story that lasted for a lot of time until everybody was like, that's got to be fake.

that because the truth is, and my dad vouched for this, his right-hand man, my uncle's right-hand man, used to always tell him, hey, we got so much money, man, we're super millionaires, like, let's leave. Let's leave everything behind, man. All these problems, everything, let's leave them behind. Let's take off.

And then my uncle would always say, like, I can't leave my kids, man. I can't leave my kids behind. Like, I can't. I can't do that. I can't leave my family. I got to make sure they're always good. So my uncle eventually ended up moving

like my aunt and my cousins. He moved them to Guadhaara because for him they were safer in Guadha. So, you know, that's another story that him and his right-hand man disappeared on their own. But that didn't make no sense. That didn't make sense.

So it was more like the dude from Sinaloa hooked up with somebody from T.J. planned it, gave up the details on my uncle, and that's how this disappeared them. And since my uncle was... Did Johno, his right-hand man, disappeared? Yeah, they both disappeared, never found, no bodies, no DNA, nothing ever was found of them.

The only thing, a couple months later, they followed that Lexus and T. And T.J., they followed it because they were investigating. You know, they were looking for the Lexus. They ended up seeing the Lexus and T. like a couple months later, they followed it. Then they realized the biggest, I think, cop and all of T.J., his son was driving the Lexus.

So it was, and then my dad came back. My dad ended up coming back and he hit rock bottom for some time because it affected him so bad. Like, it messed him up so bad. Like, I saw my dad hit rock bottom. So your uncle was just a kingpin. Yeah. He was a coppo, as they said.

Yeah, he was. And your dad, now around this time, you're growing up and you're seeing these, you're living in Anaheim. Yeah. In this gang community. Yeah. But you're, all of your uncles and your dad, these are millionaire drug traffickers. Totally different than gang members.

Yeah, way different. But so it's like you're in both worlds. Both worlds. Because my older homies used to look at me and like, you know, like, you. my family and they would always be like fuck you know they would they would say like damn this dude this kid like damn like you got a family you know they would be like man your pops is like you know they would and then i got once i got into my teens early teens i started telling him all their homeboys like oh you guys are going to work for me when i get older and they would laugh but eventually it happened

you know but they would laugh they would laugh at me how many guys you know, from the gang neighborhoods, how many gangbangers, Latino gangbangers, had, like, narco connections in Mexico? There was a bunch. There was a bunch. Not all of them make it to a level.

A lot of times, I've seen a lot of instances where, I don't know if you, for example, you heard the Corrido of El Centenario. Centenario was a big drug lord from, from, like, TJ. and he was out of Anaheim.

Well, his kids are out of Anaheim also. Nice to know them. I used to know his kids, right? At one point, I did business with one of his sons. Well, Centenario was the big coin from Mexico, right? So that's what he was known for. He would rock the big old coin from Mexico with his chain, you know, big old flossy chain, you know.

So his son, for example, that I did business with at one point, he was in a full-blown calculative drug dealer yeah he ran around with gangs also but when it came to the the drug part his mom once his dad got killed because of him

his mom had to end up selling up all kinds of stuff giving up a bunch of properties cars because he fucked up because he didn't know how to run like his I don't think his dad taught him or ever explained to him stuff, you know, like there was things that my dad would always plan in my head, always keep

your word, always show respect, you know, don't, don't be disrespecting people over here in Mexico, don't be thinking you're hard, don't be thinking you're a badass, like don't, don't portray the drug dealer life, you know, keep a low profile. There was times in elementary where it'd be like early in the morning going to school and my dad would literally stop me like he'll stop me at the door and be like hey come here we're like what's up and it'll be like whatever you saw

or whatever you heard over the weekend or any days you don't repeat that and I'll be like I got you and be like you don't repeat it like all right I got you you don't repeat you saw money you saw whatever you saw don't repeat nothing okay I got you

so that's how I grew up so once I got older some people had an idea like that if that dude's pops is the main plug but i would lie be like nah my pops is just a regular dude you know right but that's how you know so it's if you're raised in the mafia culture like if you're raised with serious people that's how usually a guy like you a mexican american can ascend and become have an advantage here have an advantage yeah so after your uncle gets killed or disappears and is dead, how does your dad grow the business? So my dad comes, my dad comes back and he starts staying on the couch a lot with a gun

like next to him, right? And I was a kid. I was like, you know, sixth grade. And so my dad, you know, my dad was a dog, you know, he always had side pieces, side girls, you know, and stuff like that. So my mom was always, you know, beefing with him over it. So there was a time when my uncle first disappeared. My dad hit rock bottom.

And at the same time, my mom found out about other women and stuff like that. So my mom grabbed me, my brother and my sister, and took us to stay like at an apartment. Right. And then my dad didn't know where we're at. So my mom went to the extent of even moving me schools, she moved schools. So when she moved the schools, my dad didn't know where we were at. We were still in Anaheim, but my dad for a few months, he didn't know where we were at. But he had hit rock bottom.

And one time after school, I decided, instead of going to the apartment, I decided to go home. To go home to check out our house because that was still our house. So I decided to go. And my mom was like, don't go over there, you know. You don't want to see your dad right now, this and that. And my mom knew that he had hit rock bottom. So I show up one day and it's, I don't know, in the afternoon and my dad's on the couch sleeping and there's a gun next to him and I had to go and check, make sure that he didn't kill himself or something, you know, but I checked on him. He didn't even know I was there.

Like, he didn't even hear me nothing. I just checked on him, looked around the house and then I left. So, and then I knew like, damn, my dad's going through something. But I knew that he was going through that because of my uncle. Like it was his boy. It affected them like hard. So at the same time, my dad had his own customers, you know, his own people, his own friends through my uncle. So my dad had everything there for him, right?

He had everything on the table for him. So the moment he snapped out of it, it was all there for him. Right? Because so my dad is rock bottom. And then one of his best friends in life ended up getting killed. Tequilero, they called them. He used to be my dad's customer, and he used to buy, like, birds and work for my dad, right? But on a big scale, because the dude, they call him tequilaero, but the dude had mescal in Mexico.

He owned a bunch of mescal. He ended up leaving in, like, to his wife and stuff like that. But once he got a hold of my dad, he was like, hey, what's up? Let's meet up. So they meet up, and then he tells my dad, like, what's up? But now this guy is up. This guy is now a boss. So he tells my dad like, what's up?

Like, what you got going? Like, man, I'm trying to get back. You know, I'm going through this. And that dude knew that my uncle had, you know, disappeared. So he tells my dad, and this is what my dad told me that his friend was like, hey, well, come work with me. I got you. And he was from Halisco.

His best friend, you can say in life in the older, older and the later times you know once I was in like 18 and for the rest up until when the dude got killed El Tequilero him and my dad were just close and it went from him basically giving my dad work

to them eventually becoming 50-50 partners and then once they became 50-50 partners but prior to that my dad was doing it but once they became like 50-50 partners it just skyrocketed. It skyrocketed. Did they take over the Ephedron routes that your uncle left?

They took over for a little bit, the Canada one. The Canada one, and then it eventually died out because people stopped cooking it here. Right. So once people stopped cooking it here, they started just cooking it like in T.J. Or in like Guadalajara, other places, and then it just bringing it. Yeah, and then it was just crystal meth. And then it was just crystal meth. Transported.

Right. Transporting Topperware or like burrito like. Did they do that or was it just Coke? No, it was both. Okay. So Crystal and Coke? Crystal and Coke. Yeah, Crystal and Coke.

Best things to be in, man. Yeah. At the time. Okay, so, and now your dad is moving like your uncle moved, going back and forth. Yeah, back and forth. Being gone a lot, being gone a lot. Where was his base in Mexico? In Guadalajara.

All right. Or T.J. Okay. But he spent most of the time in Guadalajara. Yeah. And why is that? Well, because we, had, we already had history in Guadalajara and then his, his, like, best friend you can say

was from Halisco, was from Guadalajara. So that's where, you know, he had homes and they had all their crew over there. So he would just go to Guadalajara to Sapopan. You know, it's a nice city in Guadalajara called Sapopan. And it's like a, um, you either have to, you have to have a real good job or you have to be like a drug dealer to live there. Yeah, it's all narcos and then empresarios that are usually mixed up with an narcos somehow. So when I live there as a kid, because when we live there, I personally live there with my parents, my family, from like the age of 12 to 14, right? So of course, I had friends, right?

So I had a friend, his name was Miguel, right? He was around my age and they lived in Sapopoano, so him and his mom only. right so I was you know learning learning things I was seeing things learning things but I'm I'm still you know 12 years old 13 years old and um so him and his mom lived alone in a nice two-story house nothing crazy but a nice two-story house and one day my friends like hey we got a new house I'm going to invite all my friends for like a barbecue come over on like Saturday whatever it was I'm like, all right, cool. So we show up, and we show up to, like, this freaking mini mansion.

And it's just him and his mom. And we show up to, like, this mini mansion and big old gates open. There's, like, a fancy big water found in the front. The house is, like, crazy. I didn't know at the time the floors were marble, but they were marble. Like, it's just a crazy house. And I'm thinking, like, how the hell is this dude's mom able to afford this? I wasn't dumb, right?

But I was trying to figure it out. So I'm like, what the hell? Right? So he goes, hey, man, check out the house. You know, so I'm checking out the house. I'm looking all around. And I'm walking one of the hallways. And I come across on the wall,

they had a big picture frame on the wall of an old man in a military uniform. Right? So I stop and I'm like, hey, bro. Who is that? And he goes, oh, that's my grandpa. And I said, all right. And he goes, that's who gave us this house. And I looked at him and I was like, that's,

and I'm thinking to my head, that's who gave us this house. What the fuck, right? So, of course, when I go home, you know, I tell my, I tell my dad, like, about my day or whatever. So I tell my dad, hey, my friend's grandpa is like in the military. He's an old man and have a picture of him. and now they have a big-ass house. You know, I don't know.

I don't know who his grandpa is, but, you know, something's there. So my dad was like, all right, that's cool, right? Because my dad was rolling around in Guadalajara with, like, the biggest cop of all of Guadalajara. I don't know if he's like a cop or an agent, what he was. But I would assume he was like in Guadalajara, the equivalent of like a D-A agent maybe. Wow. Right? That was one of my dad's closest friends in Guadalajara.

So my dad used to roll around with this dude, right? And this dude used to wear like the big ray bands. And he looked like, you know, a big narco also. Yeah. But he was like some type of big cop. I just never knew what he was, right? So my dad, I knew that through connections and through connections, you can get some power.

And you can have stuff like this big-ass house that my friend's mom got, you know? So fast forward a little bit And I'm watching the news one time You know at home and the news comes on I used to like the Mexico news and their magazines Because they get in debt on stuff They show killings they show all kinds of stuff So I'm like watching the news

And they caught a big drug lord in Mexico They caught him it was Guero Palma They caught Wero Palma right So I'm watching the news and I'm like Oh damn they call Wero Palmy And then they're, you know how they parade you with the cameras and all that? So they're parading Wero Palma to the cameras and all that. And there's an old man in the military uniform walking next to him.

And they post them up to take pictures. And the military dude, the military old man is standing next to him. And I'm looking and I look and I'm like, holy shit. I'm like that. Wow. That's my friend's grandpa. And he's like, oh, damn, that's your friend's grandpa? Like, yeah.

Well, that grandpa, my friend's grandpa, later on I found out, he used to work with Amaro Carrillo. Right. Amara Carriyo Fuentes. And that's, yeah, the Señor de Los Sceles. Right. So then later on in life, later on, once I was deep in it, I realized that my dad's friend, El Tequilero,

He used to work with Amaro Carrillo. So that's how he became so big. So then by this time, my dad had links and connections with people from Midrachan, Halisco, Sinaloa, Juarez, all over because the relationship he had built. And he was always good to people. Right. And he had connections with the cops, probably some military. Yeah, because I was 12 years old.

I learned how to drive at 12, right, in Guadalajara. So, like, my aunt, she had her house and her cars that my uncle had got her. So my aunt had, like, a band's explorer at the time, brand new explorer. Nobody had them, you know, a Cheyenne. You know, my aunt was, like, you could tell she was, like, married to somebody. And then my dad had, like, his trucks and cars also when we lived at. And I started driving, like, my dad's 454 Super Sport Cheyenne. Yeah.

So I started driving it around while I had out with my friends. I started driving at 12. So I remember one time I got pulled over by my house. By a house, I get pulled over. And I guess one of the neighbors got a hold of my dad somehow because I get pulled over and they're trying to take the truck from me because I was a kid. So these cops, they're trying to take the truck away. So they have me outside the truck and they're like, they're talking with each other like, we're going to confiscate this from them. So I'm a kid.

I didn't know somebody ended up getting a hold of my dad. So my dad shows up with his friend that was a cop. They show up, they get out, and his friend starts chewing out the cops. He starts. Yeah. And I was who I'm, one of the cops says to him, well, we were going to take this truck from him.

And my dad steps in and he's, you ain't taking shit. Try it. And they were like, and then I was like 12, 13 years old. So I was like, damn, this power. shit ain't no joke. And we're living in Guadalajara. So you're learning about how the power works in Mexico.

I'm learning about what the power gets you, but through relationship, because you got to be solid with people. I'm learning because everything that my pops has been telling me, I'm seeing it. Like, always keep your word. Always show respect. You know, don't let nobody punk you, stuff like that. Like, you know, like make sure you have your nuts tight, you know. Your dad was also paying out a lot of money, though.

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Yeah, they had their own routes. Do you know what the main route was? Mainly through TJ because we're in Cali. Of course. So it was mainly through TJ. Sometimes they would go through like the Arizona border or Texas once in a while. But that was only because they knew that TJ was going to close down for a bit. That's just the way it was.

How would they hear about that? They would be told like, hey, there's a season coming. There's training or whatever they're doing. So they got to, you know. What do you mean, though? This is fascinating. So my pops would, he would get word from people in T.J. You know, because they have, so you've crossed like the border before, right?

And when you cross the border, there's like businesses. There's like homes, stuff like that. So there's always people watching. You ever crossed the border like in T.J.? And there's people in balconings, like just watching the whole time. And they time it. And then, you know, there was people in like border patrol, stuff like that that were on the team. Right.

I remember in Walaara when we lived over there, there was like a big. family party one time. Well, I don't know if it was, I'll remember for it was family party, but it was a big party going on. And we had like a hotel booked, right? Like a whole floor of a hotel was booked for like family and friends, right? And there was a Marine that was on the team, a sergeant, an American Marine that was on the team at the time, right? He was a full-blown Marine, like American, like full-blown. He was from Mitrakan, also, a full-blown American Marine, right? And I knew him since I was a kid. I knew he was a Marine. I knew he was a Marine. and all that, right? So he was on the team. And there was one of my dad's boys had just got home

from the feds. He got, he got, but he got deported. So he did like five years in the feds for a couple of birds. He got deported and ended up in TJ. Well, he ended up in Guadalara with my pops and the rest of the crew. So since he had just came home from the feds, he's, you know, he's fit, you know, he's, he's fit. He's like really fit. So we're, I remember we're in the room and I was a kid, used to be nosy. I used to love to hear their conversations because it was a lot of joking going on. You know, it was a lot of joking.

It wasn't, I know, like, oh, we moved his work. It was none of that. You know, it was just joking and stuff. But I used to like the Paisa joking. You know, the Spanish clowning is just on another network. I love it. I love it. So my pops, I remember my boss was like,

you guys know the difference between somebody that's in the military and somebody that's been to prison? And everybody's like, nah, what the fuck's the difference? And he tells the dude that, that was a sergeant in the Marines. He says, hey, take off your shirt. That dude's like proud. He takes off his shirt and he's ripped.

He's ripped, bro. He's like, he works out all the damn time. He's ripped. And he goes, take off your shirt. So his boy that just got out the fence, he takes off his shirt and he's ripped. So they're both ripped. Like, boat ripped. And if they do workout, they can go both go forever.

So he goes, tell me which one you would think is in the military. And they were like, fuck, we wouldn't know. And he goes, that's what I'm talking about. You know, and that's how I knew, like, and this dude's an actual sergeant in the Marines in the United States. So that's amazing. And your dad, just like your uncle, now he's given orders. And people are doing what he...

Now my dad's the boss. He's the patron. Yeah. So is, but I still want to know, so he had people either on the U.S. side of the Mexico side in T.J. that would tell him, hey, crossing's going to be really hard this month. Yeah, yeah. They would have people.

Yeah, they would have people that would tell him. They had people in Border Patrol, you know. Wow. And people in the crossing, like, yeah, they were, yeah, it was deep. Yeah, it was deep. Okay. So we're training new hires? Like, we're training new people, so they're going to be really,

they're going to scrutinize a lot of the cars coming through. Like, what would make it so hot at the border in, T.J. For example, if they have like training going on and then when they have training they want to show off for each other. So they're trying to stop every car. Right, that makes sense. They're taking their, it's longer now. It goes

from a two hour crossing time to a freaking six hour crossing path time because now they're doing training and they all want to show off for each other. So one of the guys that works there he's known like a friend of my pops or something for years.

They're like childhood friends So they feed each other information You know So one of the one of the things that I knew later on in life That when they have like training It's a bad time Because now they're trying to stop every car Because they're in training

So they're trying to be serious They're trying to be very Yeah if a car's too clean They're gonna stop it If a car you know Any little thing If a car's missing a hubcap But you know

Just every little thing that they can think It's you know Something's up So then if they need to move product in like Sonora, like Nogales, right? That's a big crossing hub or in Texas. Texas, yeah. And your dad is based in Guadalajara. Yeah.

That's a different plaza. Yeah. Does he, would he have to contact somebody from Ciloloa? Yeah, they would contact somebody. Yep. So they were contact. So like I said, my dad's friend, Tequilero, he worked with Senor de los Seleos, Amaro Carrillo.

Right. Right? He worked with him direct. So if they had to switch like the TJ route, for example, then they would go. They would just, I guess, get at their people and be like, hey, you know, can we just go through you now? Right. And he was, that was in Juarez. Yeah, that was Juarez. Okay. And so what is Texas? You know, so yeah, it was, they would switch it. But the main, main one for, you know, for the almost the whole career was TJ. Because we're from Cali, you know. he was the connections are fascinating yeah yeah yeah mind blowing yeah there were some some serious connections wow serious connections okay so this is where we're at you're becoming a young man right and you're

gang banging in anahe yeah i'm gangbanging in anaheim what does that look like you're come from these millionaire drug dealers why do you choose to gangbag just because everybody's doing it Because my cousins lived in the neighborhood. So all my homies from the neighborhood, they were my friends since elementary. And we started off like playing sports, playing basketball on the street. And then like we had like older homies,

older friends that were like gang members. So we used to look at them like, man, these guys get all the girls. Like man, they got nice. shoes, nice clothes, like how the hell they do it? Like, you know, and, you know, some of them sell weed, stuff like that, you know, for example, I had a homeboy that passed away when he was 21, but I was like 16, but he was like, in the neighborhood, he was like my idol, because he was like, he used to slang weed. He had his nice car, always going to the gym. He would go to church.

He was a, he was a full-blown gang member. People were afraid of him. He was a, he was a, he was a full-blown gang member, people were afraid of him. He was a writer. But he was trying to live all their life. He was trying to, and then he would come around and he would tell all the youngsters like, hey,

don't go starting shit over there. Like, don't go start to shit with them. Like, you don't need to. Like, minimize the beefs. Like, you know, hey, don't go tagging over there. Like, minimize so he would want us to be a little more low-key. But I have homeboys, you know,

that ended up getting life for killing somebody, killing another gang member, stuff like that. So, but it was always like, like, man, how could I make money? You know, how could I make money? So, yeah, I was, you know, in the neighborhood, doing everything a gang member does. But at the same time, I wanted to, you know, make money because that's what I was seeing, like, man, I want to make money.

So how did you get in? Did you approach your dad? I approached, um, because growing up, I would always pick my dad's brain. We would be somewhere, driving or whatever, and I'd be like, hey, dad, how do they cross it over? And they'll tell me, well, they use this method or this way, this way. And I'll be like, all right, hey, dad, but how you get it to Mexico?

And he'll be like, oh, well, you got to get it from, you know, he would explain to me. And I'd be like, hey, dad, but how do you avoid problems? And then he would tell me, like, man, you just got to keep it cool with people. You know, sometimes somebody might ask you for a favor. you know, you might want to do it for them. And then, you know, because at the same time, they might be testing you. You know, and if you say no, that's a problem, you know.

And then so I pick his brain and then he'll tell me like, hey, I had this issue over here. I'm having issues with this dude, but it's going to get solved. I'm going to meet up with him and we're going to solve it. And I'll be like, all right, everything good. It'll be like, yeah, it's good. I'm taking the crew with me, this and that. So he'll tell me, right? But he would always tell me at the end of the conversation, he'll be like,

but you're not going to do that. You're going to go to a school. You're going to do better. Like, you're going to do good. Like, you're going to, I'm going to pay for a school for you, a trade. Any school for you that you want to do, I'm going to pay for it. And I got you. And I'll be like, yeah, right.

You know, in my head, I'll be like, yeah, right. So about 18 years old, I approached one of my dad's boys in Anaheim. He was in Anaheim, probably mid-20s. I approached them and I said, hey, let me get something. I want to make money. And I remember he was like, nah, I can't. I'm like, man, come on, man. No, I can't, man.

Your dad will kill me. Come on, dog. Like, let me get something. I won't say nothing. Nah, let me think about it. And then from hitting him up, like, so much within, like, a month of me just hitting them up all the time and going to his house and, like, just bugging him at, like, 18. Like, man, let me just get an eight ball.

like man all right and he gave me an eight ball he didn't charge me he just gave me an eight ball he said if you want another one bring me the money i'll give you another one but if you blow that that's it that was my test so i remember going home with a little eight ball and like looking at it and being like damn what the fuck what i do now right so i had this one friend she was older but she had her own house and she was like a dentist assistant or something. And she was a lot of older. So I remember going to her house with my friends, like my homies and stuff.

And we would go to her house, smoke weed and hang out. She was like our aunt, you can say. She treated us like a ad, right? But she would always be honest. Like, hey, don't do that. Or, you know, if she heard us talking, she would correct us. And like, she'd be honest, like a real ad.

Like, you know, she was solid. So I went to her and I said, hey, you know what? I'm trying to slang this. What do you think? And she smoked weed, so she was cool, you know, and she was like, man, she's like, the best thing for you to do?

She said, you should go and hit up, like, if you see, like, prostitutes. Prostitutes, like, go hit them up, go let them know, you got it. Just let your friends know. Let people know. You got it. You have to let people know.

And I was like, but how? And she was like, Just use your judgment. Like, be smart about it. You're obviously not going to go tell a cop. You got it. You know, like, you can kind of read people. Like, all right.

So then I went home and then, like, I just happened to go, I think, to the liquor store or something. I seen like a prostitute. And I told her like, hey, hey, you fuck around. Like, what you got, kid? Like, you know, like, man, I got this glass. Now her pimp started calling me. Because you had, you had meth or co? Met.

Okay. So I started, like, her pimp started calling me for like 20s, right? So one day I'm at my friend's house and my pager goes off and I call from her house. Right? And I'm like, hey, what's up? And the pimp was like, you bring me two 20s. Like, all right, I got you. So I remember hanging up.

And I remember I tell my friend like, oh, I got to go take two 20s. And I remember she told me, you know, if you tell your people not to hit you up for anything less than like 50, you know they will, right? And I was like, she's like, because all this is running around for 20s, 20s, 20s, she's like, that's too much running around for you. She's like, you should let them know not to hit you up for anything under 50. Don't hit you up. I'm like, all right. So I met up with the pimp, gave him the little. little 20s and I said hey um I can't do anything under 50 no more like all right I guess I'll just

have to send my bitches to work more like all right boom and then you know I just started word a mouth and then I just started serving 20s and I remember one day and this is your dad's product my dad's product but he doesn't know he has no idea right you're just getting it from one of his workers I'm getting it from one of his workers he has no idea right because at the time I will see my dad like once every like 90 days he come home for like a week or so brand new cars like get stuff and then he'll lead back to Guadalajara you know so i'll see him and then don't see him again for a while yeah so then i remember one time being in my room and i made a 20 out i remember being in my room and i had a 20 in a little baggy little bag and i remember i'm looking at this 20 and i'm like

damn how can I turn this 20 into 220s right so I was like man because I want it now I want to double up I want to double up this A ball so I have this A ball that I keep getting and I'm making you know 100 200 hundred dollars profit at any it's it's starting not to be nothing I'm blowing that shit right away so it's starting to be like too little you know I'm like damn how couldn't I advance and make this two eight balls right because I'm able to afford a A ball you know but now two A ball. Like, I don't want to have no money in my pocket when I go buy two eight balls. You know what I mean? And then I'm buying freaking sodas and chips and you name me. You know, I'm spending my money because I'm only like 18 years old, right? And I'm taking my girl out, you know.

So I'm spending my money like it's coming, you know, I'm just spending it. So I remember one time looking at this little begging like, how could I turn this 20 into 220s? I remember just looking at it, looking at it, looking at it. I remember, let me try something. since I knew it was like oil-based so I'm like, let me try something so I remember opening the bag and I spit in it and I remember like closing it

and I remember like messing with it and I'm like, oh fuck I just lost 20 bucks I remember being so devastated that I lost 20 bucks because I was trying to double up right? Eventually later on in life I got introduced to

MSM you know where you can double up you know MSM is horse vitamins that you cut the meth with. I never heard of that. Yeah, so that was later on. But yeah, I was nickel and diamond at first. How much, looking back,

how many pounds of meth was your dad moving at a time? Like, what was a load coming from Mexico? I would say, like, if I had to guess like a month, maybe 100 pounds of dope. And this is when

dope was expensive. Yeah. Relatively. At one point, at one point, the most expensive it got on us was about 16, 17,000. A pound. A pound. That's fucking crazy. That's when we had. Like at one point, at one point, like, that's how in the city, like, we, like, my neighborhood, us, like myself and my crew, we were the only ones that really had it, that had pounds

in the city because we had the direct, I had the direct plug. And we were getting it cheaper. we're getting them for about 13 to 14 when they were about 17. When they were at 17, we were making about two grand profit on each pound. And you were just giving them away, wholesale on them? No, 16, about 16. But at the time, we had already discovered cut, how to cut it. So you throw about a quarter pound of cut in it.

So now you're making more. You're making an extra two grand on top of the profit. because you have extra quarter pound to play with. And was your dad also cooking it? Did he also have cooks in Mexico? He had cooks, but he didn't cook at himself, but he had cooks. Right. Okay.

He had cooks. Wow. They had cooks. How long before your dad found out? So I started, you know, nickel and diamond at about 18. By like 1920, I was doing like runs for my pops, but not directly. for him, for his boys, right? I was doing runs with them.

So when they had like the ephedron, right, I'm like 1920, they had a bunch of ephedrine that my pops had and they were moving it. So the best way to move that ephedrine was to me cooks. So me and one of my boys, we started just going out and just different neighborhoods, different neighborhoods and different cities,

just going out and getting introduced to cook. through word of mouths, through family friends, through uncles, just through anybody that we knew, knew somebody, that were introducing us to cooks. So here we are 19, 20-year-olds going to somebody's restaurant, and this is this narco at a restaurant that he owns, and they're feeding us, and then we're discussing a deal with this big, big plug, big cook.

And so we're discussing a deal, and he's like, like, well, what you guys got? Oh, we got the pivoros was, was ephedrine in pills, in pill form. And there were, there were boxes. And then if you bought five boxes from them, it was 16,000 pills. And 16,000 pills, I think at the time would get you like five to 10 pounds of dope once you cooked it up. So you had to buy like five, you know, five and up. You couldn't buy like, you couldn't be a small dealer and like, oh, I'm going to cook up one pound, you know.

You had to buy five pounds from them. So that's how it was. We go and, you know, distribute or make deals happen, like, meet somebody and, like, then turn around and introduce that person to, like, my pops. Not me directly, but he would get introduced. And then they would do business. And then, like, when they would do business, since we introduced, we would get, like, a little profit, you know. So whatever he bought, my dad would always, like, hey, I got something for you. Here, boom, he'll give me, you know, 500, 1,000, 1,500.

So you're bringing your dad client. I'm bringing my dad's clientele, but not direct through like a middleman. Of course. Because my pops didn't want me involved in that. He had no idea. He had no idea. He thought I was just like, maybe he didn't have an idea, but he didn't know how deep I was getting in. Right?

So then about by like the age of 21, about the age of 22 when my son was born, I was about 22 and I was moving about I was moving a pound a day you can say of dope and like no no bullshit like I was moving

I was moving about a pound a day right and this is ice now crystal meth from Mexico I was moving glass so I was moving glass about a pound a day and um my boy that I was getting it from he was getting it from my pops right

so one time I'm at his house and, you know, we're hanging out and my phones, because now I got a couple phones on me. You know, now we got the, now we got the chirps. Remember the chirps? Now we have the next house chirping. Yep. So we have the chirps, flip phones, you know, there's no smartphone.

So it's all, it's either like a Blackberry, you know, flip phones. So by now I got like two, three flip phones on me. And we all do, you know, and the chirps. And I'm talking to my boy. And I had ran out for the day. So it's like the nighttime and my phone's still going off crazy. And I remember I said, hey, let me get some more work. And he goes, nah, just wait.

You know, I'll get you tomorrow. Like, we're chilling tonight. Like, that's like, you know, a close-up shot. Like, man, but my phone's going off the hook, right? And I remember like, it brought in a QP right now. You got anything? Like, damn, I remember him being like, like, bugged out because he's already done, like, because it started becoming where we were so, so deep in it,

and it became, like, our career. So now we're putting up a front for, for, for the neighbors, you know, when I left how, when I left home, I leave like seven in the morning and I'll come back like five in and the evening, like, like if I went to work. So I come home, you know, and then that's it. You're not coming in and out of your house no more. That's it. Like, you're closing up.

So I remember we're hanging out though, and then we had like a studio, music studio. So I'm like, hey, bro, I need a QP. You got one? And he was like, man, I think I got some shake left. I got some bunk left, like the last. And I'm like, he's like, I won't go to the apartment until tomorrow, you know. I'm not going to go right now, bro. Like, I already went, you know, like.

Because, you know, we had apartments that we would rent. And they would just be stash homes. They weren't trap houses. They were just offices. it's what you call officinnas. So I'm like, damn. So he gives me some work, and it's like shake.

It's not even like charge, you know. It's just, and I remember like, damn. But I was able to move it. I called my person, I called the person that was bugging me. I said, hey, I got this. You need it? Like, yeah. So I met up with him, give it to him, they looked at it loud, whatever.

Because it was moving. It was just moving, like, like, I mean, we weren't throwing ones moving the product, just anywhere, but it was just moving, moving, like, you know, like hotcakes. So then we're having a conversation and I said, hey, bro, you need to give me more. You need to give me at least another pound. And he looks at me and he says, bro, it's your pops.

Why don't you just hit him up? And I was like, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, because at the same time, I'm not trying to deal with my pops because that's more serious. I already knew that was more serious so I'm not trying to deal with him and I'm not trying to let him know the extent of where I'm at now because I still hear him in my head

telling me I'm not going to do this growing up I still hear him in my head like you ain't going to do this you're going to do something else so I'm still hiding it from him in a way so I tell I look at my boy and when he's telling me like bro it's your pops

like you think he's going to say no to you and I'm like yeah but I want to go through You, I want to still put money in your pocket. Like, I'm cool with that. Like, no matter. There's levels. And he was like, dude, like, sure pops. But in a way, he didn't think I was really going to ask my pop.

Because they knew the way I was, I would, you know, if I was somewhere hanging out with the crew and my pop's shirt, hey, I'm on my way or whatever. And I'll be like, hey, I'm gone. See you guys later. And I will take off because I didn't want them to know that I was there. Right? because my pauses, then I get a lecture. And how many people, how many people did he have distributing for him? Man, a lot.

A lot. Like dozens of people? Yeah, probably 20. Wow. Yeah, a lot. It was, it was a lot. And then plus me and all my homies, like from the neighborhood, when we're all in our prime, it was like probably 12 or 15 of us that were all doing it, all bawling.

like all making money. Every day we just meet up every day and then either go eat seafood or just every day we'll meet up and we're all drug dealers. About 15 of us maybe. And your dad basically ran everything from the safety of Mexico.

In Guadalajara. Okay. Yep, from Wala. Wow. And he oversaw a crew in Orange County all the way south in Halisco. Again, he had people like Atlanta, you know, New York.

Wow. People are all over. not just Cali. And all Michoicanos? I don't know if they were all Mitchoacanos. But all Mexicans? There was white people too.

There was white people. There was Arabs. There was everything. Like just, like it was just diverse, everything. You know, just something of everything. You know? So when my boy tells me that,

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So he's like, he's like, how much can you move? And I'm like, I can move a pound a day. And he was like, oh, yeah? I was like, yeah, I can move a pound a day. Let me get some work. And he was like, you sure? And I'm like, yeah. And he said, all right.

He writes down, he grabs a pen and a paper. He writes down and he goes, me at his address tomorrow at this time. And I grabbed it. I'm like, oh, should I know that area? I know that street. All right. So he's, uh, meet me there at the, uh, at a time.

I forgot at the time. But he gives me a time. He said, be there. Don't be late or nothing. Like, meet me there tomorrow. I'm like, all right, cool. So I end up going there the next day. I meet him up.

I meet him outside. Right? So we meet him outside. And he goes, what's up? All right. Let's come on. So we walk inside. He unlocks the door.

He opens it. We walk in. And there's a dude sitting on the floor reading a book, an AK-47 on the wall and there's a mattress on the floor. Right? So we walk in, the dude sees us

and he goes, what's up? And then my dad tells us, hey, it's my son. He goes, oh, much gusto. You know, in Spanish. It was a dude that my dad brought from Mexico. The dude was fresh from Mexico.

Yeah. They brought him over here and part of his first job was to watch a house, right? So. That's all 24 hours a day. 24 hours a day. You're just guarding this work.

With that 8K on the wall right there. like leaning on the wall, like no BS. So we walk in the room and there's cabinets. We walk in the room and my pops opens up a bagel cabinet. He opens it up. And you could see, bro, I was in a candy store. There was like what looked like burritos in the shelves, just burritos wrapped up like burritos.

And I look and I'm like, what the hell? and I look at my Pops and I'm like damn how many you got right here? And he was like it's about 100 and I was like

and I'm like damn what the hell I'm like holy smoke so Pops was the guide so I said I said can I pick what I want

and he goes yeah pick something because when you transport them and a lot of times they come in cars or trucks when they're like this in a vehicle sometimes they show up and there's a lot of shake.

They have a lot of shake because they break. Yeah. Right? So here I am. I pull out like 20 of them and I'm like, I'm rolling them and I'm looking at them and I'm like, nah, roll it back. And I'm right there for a while. And then I grabbed one like, oh man, this is nice.

And I look at it. I remember I looked at him and I said, can I take two? And he goes, I thought you said you moved one. I said, but I would like to take two just in case. And he goes, take two. So I remember right Grab two And what was your price?

At the time My price was About 6,500 And they were going for about 8,000 Okay And were you cut you cut those Not right away Not right away

Because then Probably Probably a year after that Or A few months after that Is when I found out How to cut it That's when I learned

Like coincidentally Through somebody else I learned how to cut it And then I found a place that sells stuff for horses. And I found a secret, like a hidden one. And, man, people would pay me money for that spot, like would offer me. Man, where you get your cut at? Because it became like a big old thing.

The MSM became so big. It's like people couldn't find it. They didn't know what it was, how it was. Eventually I became like a professional with it because I learned how to cook. it so it looked like glass. I learned. I learned the whole process. And do they sell, was your dad selling pounds of meth or keys?

Pounds or keys. Mainly keys. Okay. So you would tell them out in a thousand gram. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They would sell them out. Either or, it was either or. Later on, it was mainly keys. Later on, once, you know, but at the time it was a bunch of pounds, just a bunch of pounds. Right. So I grabbed two, and the next day I was done. And I hit them up the next day. Hey, where you at?

Oh, I'm on my way to 7-Eleven. All right, I got something for you. And he was like, really? Like, yeah. So the day that I got those two from them, we're walking out, we're leaving. And as like, I'm getting ready to leave, he goes, come here. And I said, what's up? And he goes, look, he said, I don't want no excuses.

He said, you're my son. I love you to death. I'll do anything for you. He said, but I want my very last penny. If you owe me a penny, I want it. He said, I don't care. I don't want no excuses. And I always keep your word.

And I was like, I got you. And he's like, just like you have to pay me, I have to pay on the other side to make this happen. So I need the last penny. I was like, all right. So the next day I called him up, hey, I'm done. Because I will stay up. Now I'm staying out all night just serving hotels,

place like homes you know now I'm serving I'm moving the first I got those two pounds I moved them within a day

but now I'm moving to teachers doctors now I got I got an owner of a bell's bonds that's buying for me now I got a full blown

freaking customer service going on you know and nobody's hitting me up for anything under now I'm like because I used what my friend told me

when I was a kid I used that So eventually it became like, hey, you can't call me for less than an ounce. If you want to call me for anything under that, call him or call the little homies. Call the other homies. Right.

Now you put them on. I put the homies on. And so now you got ounce customers now. Yeah. That's how you grow it. Yep. So now people are calling me for like quarter pounds, ounces and up.

If you call me for, A ball, I'm laughing at you now. Like not, it comes with the territory. You start becoming cocky. You start building a eagle. You start just laughing at little things. Like, I'll be in the hood and my flashy ride. And one of the homies will come to me like, hey, bro, put me on.

Put me on deck. I can move work. And I'll be like, oh, yeah, how much you work? How much can you move? Oh, man, I can move a eight ball. I'll laugh. Like, hey, call him. Call him and get it from him.

Hey, hey, hook him up. All right. And this is all in the Anaheim area? All in Anaheim. Yeah, all in Anaheim. I got a question for you. So you say you got a pound of meth from your dad for like $6,800. $6,500.

$6,500. He's got $100 there. So that's $650 G's. How did the money work? Like, a load comes over, all of it gets sold out. The money gets pulled. The money gets collected. Right.

Right. And then somebody else comes. picks up the money, puts it like in a ugly car, a little truck, and they take it to T.J. Okay. And then in T.J, they had, in T.J, they had, you know, where you exchange your money? Mm-hmm.

When T.J., they had a few of those that were working with the. Yeah, in pocket, yeah. So they were working with them, and then they would go to those places, and that's how they would clean up the money. So, and then that money gets, you know. It ends up in like Guadalajara. Right.

bank accounts or whatever. Okay, gotcha. So your dad was taking all of it, obviously, back to Mexico. Not himself, because he wasn't really touching nothing. He was just directing. Right. He was just directing. And that's how I was. Yeah. Now, I remember I had a ticket one time, right? So I had a ticket out of like Fullerton Court. So I go to court and I'm sitting in court, right? So they stopped the court because they're starting a trial. Right? They're like, Hey, everybody, we're going to start a trial if you don't want to be here. Like, you could leave, whatever, and come back later or whatever. So I'm like, I'm just being nosy.

I want to hang out. Check out the trial. I've never seen a trial before, right? So I'm, you know, I'm like, I'm like 22 or whatever. I've never seen a trial in life. So I'm like, I want to see what it looks like. So I'm sitting there and they call up this guy, right? And he's in trial and he's got his lawyer.

and they beat the, they get the, they get the case dismissed on the spot, right? So when it gets dismissed, I go up to his lawyer and I go, hey, man, good job. Hey, you have a card? And his lawyer gives me his card, right?

And then the guy looks, the pisa, the guy that just beat the case, he looks at me, we look at each other, I just say, what's up to him? And so I get this card, right? And I meet up with my pops, And I tell him the story.

Hey, Pops, man, I seen this dude. Man, he just beat trial. It turns out that they raided this apartment in Anaheim and this guy was there and I'm hearing the trial, but the guy's lawyer beat the trial. This is the guy's card. Here you go. Eventually, when my pops got busted, we used that lawyer.

Well, I gave him the card, right? So I'm telling him the story about the trial. So then, I don't know, a couple weeks later, A couple weeks later, I show up to my mom's, and my pops is, he's on top of his boat. He had like a boat. So he's on top of the boat. You know, I'm talking to somebody, right? So I get there and I get off.

I'm like, what's up, Dad? And I'm like, looking and I'm like, I'm trying to figure out who his friend is. So they're like discussing something. And I look and I'm like, what the hell? I'm like, hey, dad. Remember the story? told you about the trial? I'm like, this is him. And they look at each other and they laugh. And I go, wait a minute. Well, the apartment that they got, that got raided, I used to go to that

apartment to pick up before from my dad's boy that was giving me the little work. So that apartment eventually got, because they started treating it like a trap house. That guy happened to just show up to like pick up money or something. So when he, when I met him with my pops, they were starting to get in business together. So this guy was like, so my pops was like up here, bro. And then this guy was like, so by the time this guy beat his trial and paid all that money for the lawyer, he was getting to a high, high level where he caught my dad's attention. So now my dad is recruiting him. So when I met him, my dad was recruiting him. And then this guy eventually became my dad. as right-hand man.

Wow. And this was also the guy who was being represented by the lawyer who your dad used. Yeah. That I gave my dad the card to. Small, southern California.

Small world. Underworld, bro. Small world. Wow. Small world. Okay. So how did things progress as you're getting older now

and you're getting more money? How did you move up to a wholesale level? So. Because you make a lot of money just selling two pounds of meth a night. A day, yeah. Breaking it down. You can make a lot of money.

Yeah, I was making a lot of money. Yeah. I was making a lot of money. So my pop son ends up getting busted, right? Like from the moment that I got the work directly from him, so when he got busted was probably a two-year period, you can say. Okay. Right.

How long did that take to, oh, yeah, right, you talked about it. You were like. So I was like 22, so he gets busted and I was like 24, 25 around there. So he gets busted. So when he gets busted, his right-hand man that I'm telling you about, he ends up coming and picking me up. So my dad gets busted. My dad gets a hold of him and lets him know like, hey, go grab my son

and let him run around with you. Okay, so tell us real quick about that. How did he get busted? What was that like? Is it the feds, obviously? Yeah, the feds busted. So my pops didn't touch nothing. All he did was fly back and forth from Guadharata to Cali.

But he would do it through TJ. He would drive into TJ, fly out to Guadalajara, and then fly back to TJ and then drive in. Right? But he wasn't touching nothing. He would just make sure money was correct. And then my house was just all of a sudden have money at home or whatever. But he wasn't touching no dope or nothing. He knew where the houses were at and everything.

Obviously, you know, because he had to check on him. But he wasn't really hands on no more. Right. So his right-hand man was hands-on with everything. So then there was a big. They had a big supplier in L.A. And my dad was supplying that person in L.A., they were supplying them, I don't know, like 20 pounds or...

I forgot how much it was, but it was a lot. Or maybe more. I'm guessing a lot more. Well, there was half a million dollars that was owed out of L.A., right, to my Pops and my Pops boy. So they owed half a million dollars And my pops asked his right hand To go to Ali and pick it up right

So his right hand man at the time was busy Somewhere else Picking up other money and he was busy So he told my pops like Yeah I got you I'll go later or I'll go tomorrow And my pops got like he wanted to leave He already wanted to leave so he got anxious and he just wanted to get it done.

He didn't want them holding that money like on next day, I guess. So my pops was like, I'll go, fuck it. So my pops goes to L.A., picks up that money, drives back to... He's driving back to Anaheim and he gets pulled over. He gets pulled over by Highway Patrol.

They take him in. They put all the money on the table and they tell them they're sitting across from them, And they tell them, you have two options. One, you stay in custody and fight for this money or two, we keep this money and we release you. And my pops, one of the mistakes he made was like, keep the money and let me go. They were like, really? Yeah, non-drug dealer wouldn't, he'd be fighting for his money if that was legal.

So what raised an alarm and a red flag was that my pops didn't care about paperwork or nothing. So they were like, if you're picking up this type of money and you get it confiscated and you have to report to somebody, they're going to kill you because you don't have proof how this money disappeared. You always have to have proof. You know, it's like being locked up. You have paperwork. You know, you have to have. So they assumed it was drug money. But when he goes, nah, just take it, keep it.

They knew it was drug money because the people in L.A. were being watched. I see. So what my pops did was make a mistake and meeting up with these people. So they just followed him. So they just followed him, called it in, got him pulled over. And then they gave him the option. So my father was like, man, keep the money. And they asked them, nobody's going to come after you with this money.

And my father was like, nah, I bought that car. I bought that car at an auction. I didn't even know that money was in there. And they were like, okay, you can go. So they released them. They released them, but put them on 24-hour surveillance. Okay, but I'm saying that if he had been a worker, like if he had just been picking that money up to bring it to the boss and T.J.

And they were confiscating this money. He would have said, give me, show me some paperwork. So I can go. Let me stay in custody. Right. So I don't get killed. Right. Let me stay in custody and do this time.

so they know I'm solid by doing the time. Right. Because now I got hit, you know? So that was the difference. So that's how they knew he was a boss. So that's how they knew he was a boss. Because he's like, that's my money. Yeah, that's how they knew.

They were like, because they even asked them. Fascinating. Nobody's going to come after you for this money. And he was like, nah, I bought the car at an auction. I didn't know that money was in there. So they were like, oh, okay. So they put him on 24-hour surveillance, but he had no idea. So now the other thing that got him was that he would, they were following him.

And then now they follow him San Diego. Now he goes into T.J. So they have to turn around. And now they're like, why is he going to T.J? So he goes into T.J. He's gone for like a week. And then he comes back. And now he's back.

And now they're surveillance him again. So he's in California a couple days. And now they follow him back to T.J. Was he in the same call? Different cars. Always different cars. How they flag him coming back? Because where my mom lived, where they lived there, they already had the house.

Because they had followed him directly to that house. I got you. So now they have the house. So they had the house and they would just surveillance him, 24-hour surveillance on him all the time. And there was times my dad told me later on. He thought a lot of times he thought that I was around and a car that was parked outside that looks suspicious to him. at times he thought that those were my people. Like it was just somebody waiting on me

or like on my friends. But I didn't do nothing, but if I rolled up to my mom's, my homeboys will show up. It was just one of those things where I always had people around me. So there was times where I'll show up to my moms and my friends will already be there waiting for me

and like, hey, what's up? And then we'll leave. You know, stuff like that. So that's what my dad was like, you know, because my parents were my mom. lived at that time, they were like at one point, like the only Hispanics on the block. You know,

my dad turned that house into like the nicest house in the neighborhood where it was like, wait a minute. You know, the neighbors would look at us funny. You know, was it the sheriff's department that was investigating him? No, regular. My dad, the feds. So this is the actual DEA. It was sitting on

you guys. Wow. I was watching my dad. And did they follow you at all? No, they didn't follow me yet. I wasn't like on the radar. are yet. But once my pops got busted and they questioned my brother, then they asked my brother, like, what's your brother at? Okay, so sorry, I cut you out. How do they

eventually pop your dad? So my pops takes off, he leaves home, and he goes, I don't know where he went, I think it was baby mama's house or something, and when he was leaving, he gets pulled over, but when he got pulled over right by Disneyland, he got pulled over with a helicopter and a bunch of cars. They blocked off I think Catella Avenue where he got busted at.

They blocked it off. And then I got a call. I was somewhere and I get a call. And like, hey, dog, I think I just saw your pops hemmed up on Catella. And I was like, what? Nah. Like, yeah, I think you're dead surrounded right now. Like, what the fuck?

So then I found out, you know, my pops got busted. Like, damn, what the hell? So then his boy from Guadalajara, that was his partner, he called. he chirps, and they used to call me Prieto, so he's like, right, so I'm like,

what's up? What's up? You know, and then he's like, hey, what's, so I'm like, well, I'm gathering up information

and I'll send you, I'll send you the paperwork when, once I get it. All right, let me know, whatever you guys need. All right. And so, you know,

Spanish, you know, full-blown. That dude was a, like big, big millionaire, big millionaire, big, big,

boss, big boss. So what did they have on your dad besides the money? What did they end up? The money and they accused them of being one of the biggest distributors at the time in California. Of meth? Of meth. Yeah. Of meth and coke.

But did they have anything on him besides, did they have his workers talking on him? No. No. They just knew that he has something to do with the work because of him going to TJ so much. And then eventually they followed him in and they saw that he found. flew out. So they were like, damn, this dude's like, he's flying out all the damn time. Right. Like, how's he? But they didn't have any big indictment. No, they had an indictment from some guys in L.A., but they didn't directly link them.

They were trying to, but they didn't have, these guys didn't have no connection to my dad. Because it was somebody else that would meet up with them. My dad would never meet up with them. So the head of these guys was one of my dad's boys, like, Customers, you can say. Right. So they were getting product from my dad, but just not directly. So like through somebody. That's what I'm saying.

So they don't, for what he was doing, they didn't really, they didn't have any information on him. It was just bad luck. Yeah, it was, it was bad luck. It was him being anxious. Yeah. And just decided to work. Yeah. He decided to go run.

Get his hands dirty. Yeah, he decided to get his hands dirty again. So, all right. Now what has? happens. They got him in custody. So I got him in custody and he calls his right hand man. They call him Sprykel. He calls Sprykel and he tells him, hey, go grab my son and let him run around with you. So Sprico hits me up. Hey, I'm going to go. Where are you at home? I'm going to go see you. Let's go eat. Okay, boom. Be ready at this time early in the morning. It was like early in the

morning the first time he picked me up. Like we're early like seven or eight in the morning. So you know, we go and we end up going to different homes. We go like Riverside, you know, we go to Fontana, Paris. We're all over. So we just start driving all over and then we start, we go to, I remember we went to this dude's house that was, he was like Hawaiian, I think. We go to his house and then that was one, this dude was one of the routes my pops had. He had a route to Hawaii, Samoa, and whatever else is, I forgot.

the other one. But Samoa in Hawaii, so at the time, a pound of dope in Samoa was going for 50 grand. Yeah. So the way they would do it, the Hawaiian, my pops used to give them three pounds. One pound was for him and then two pounds for my dad. So he would give him, you know, sometimes it'd be more, but he would always give him a pound for him. Yeah. So that dude was always making 50 G's profit for doing the favor. Yeah. But he was working directly with my pops. So when my pops gets busted, I go and I meet him.

I meet this big old Hawaiian dude. And I get introduced as Martin's son. Hey, this is Martin's son. He's going to be, you're going to be seeing him now. You're going to be seeing him. All right. Oh, nice to meet you. I go, we go to different places.

Sometimes I meet people's wives. Like, hey, this is Martin's. son like oh my husband is like in New York for example and and she's like gets I'm on the phone like hey got somebody here is visiting like hey what's up hey Kiyonah what's up hey oh I'll be back I'll be back in a couple days I'll see you so that's how I started becoming why I started becoming I started meeting all their people all my past people so now I'm now I know all these people that are just ballers moving work like crazy work you know so now I'm stepping into a different lane.

Now I'm collecting. Now I'm collecting the big money. Now I'm going around. This person owes 200. Now I'm going collecting 200. This person owes 50. You know, this person owes 100. Now I'm gathering up all this money.

Now we're counting up. Now me and Spryko are counting up a million dollars, you know, stuff like that. And, you know, getting it to where it's supposed to go. And then Spryko was full-blown hands-on everything. where he was doing so much. You know, Spryko eventually ended up getting killed in Samora, in Mitrakan. Oh, really?

He got killed, yeah, he got killed in Samora. He took over that plaza. Oh, shit. He took over that plaza in Samora and he got killed. Yeah, he got sprayed with two-way case. Yeah. He got sprayed. Sprico, rest in peace, Spryko.

Yeah, he became big. Like, he became really big. Yeah, because he ended up taking off because they needed them over there. Yeah. He got so big. He ended up over there. Once my paws bailed out and left,

then they linked up again. But then Sprichael had other ideas. And then they made him a boss of a plaza. So him and my pops became just like friends. But then Sprico had his crew. And then Sprichael in a way was like my pops's, you can say his muscle over there. Yeah.

Because he had a whole squad. And then they became like my pops crew over there, like, you know, enforcers and stuff like. that. So, and then once Spryko left, then I, then I stayed here, you know, and I, I just became the main. The man. Everything was just coming to me. Wow. So, so Spryko laced me up. Okay. So what, well, the first time he picked me up for, for a period of time, for maybe a year until he left. So for like a year, he put me up on game. He laced me up. Showed you the whole business. Showed me the whole business. Showed me when the birds come. What, what, uh, he, he put me, he put me up. He, he, he

what the colors mean, you know. So I started learning, you know, I started learning that if 100 birds of yay come, you know, and 20 are red, colored, and then the rest are gray, that just means they're doing a favor for somebody and 20 belong to somebody else. And then somebody's going to contact me

and I already know, you know. So it started becoming where, okay, every couple weeks, me and my crew that I had, my homeboys and my crew, we would all meet up like at a phone store and then we get rid of our phones

and I'll get new ones. Buy a bunch of phones and everybody have new phones. So now we have chirps. So we're chirping every day all day. You know, we're always chirping. You know, that's how we're communicating. Now my, once my apostles is in Mexico now,

I'm communicating with them on a daily, on a daily. And, you know, we're just communicating. So we have a full blown business going. Okay. You know? All right. So I have so many questions.

So let's take it one at a time. So you bail your pops out? Yeah. Yeah. So your dad is American citizenship, right? No. So they gave him a bail? Yeah, they gave him a bail.

That's unusual. Because usually if you're an illegal immigrant and you're caught with that. He was a citizen, you can see. Because he wasn't born here. But he had like a green car. Yeah, he had a green car. Yeah, he was legit. Okay.

it and then so they they gave them bail. Oh, with the bailed, they were just going to put them on surveillance. Right. So it was almost, when they were bailing them out, they were just setting them up. Yeah. That's all it was. Yeah. It was just a setup.

They wanted to get him to lead them to somebody else. Yeah, because they knew that whoever was bigger than him was in Mexico. Right. That's how they looked at it. And then we ended up firing that attorney that I told you. We ended up firing them. And then we hired an attorney from LA, a big attorney now. I just found out recently that he's a big ass attorney now.

Alex Kesso, he's a big old attorney now. He represents people like Wack 100. He represents like big rappers and stuff like that. And he's a big, big, big attorney. And at the time he was. I think Big U could use some help right now. Yeah, but he's in trouble, man. Yeah, he's in trouble.

He's cooked. Yeah. He messed up. Okay, so, but you got this attorney. Did you bail your pops out? Yeah, how much? 200, 200 cash. 200 cash?

Yeah, 200 cash. And you could take 200 cash to the... Through the attorney, yeah. Through the attorney. So he walks in to where was your dad at the tombs in L.A.? At the time he was on Wayside. Okay. It was on way.

Actually, they moved them, I think, to San Pedro. Okay. Because he was going to have to fight an immigration case also with this money laundering case. Because it ended up being like a money laundering type case. So he was going to have to fight the immigration. So they gave him the option. You could either bell out and fight it or you can stay in here and fight it. And he was like, nah, I've been here too long already.

Right. Okay. So you go put up 200. You get him out. How do you get him back to Mexico? He just leaves. He drives. I don't know.

I don't know that story. I just remember him calling from T.J. Yeah. And calling my mom and saying, hey, I'm in T.J. And she was like, what the hell? Like, because he, instead of coming home, he was gone. Like, he's, we, he had a plan. If I bow out, I'm gone.

I'm, I'm not, I'm not giving these people no more time. And he hasn't been back since. He hasn't been back since. So he made that decision. I'm not even going to do five years or whatever the case, Whatever he would have signed for. I'm going to go live the rest of my days in Mexico. And he's been there ever since.

Ever since, ever since like 2007. Okay. He's been there. But back in 2007, when he gets back, now he's working. And you've now been put on to the whole business. I've been put on to everything. I've been put on to all the people, the Hawaii route, everything. What was that the most profitable route?

The Hawaii? Yeah. I would say one of them, yeah. One of them. What were some other good routes? New York was a big one. New York was a big one because at one time I got, I had a friend that had his Class A license

and he got paid 25 Gs to take a truck to to New York. And then I found out how how they're safe. Like I found out my pops explained to me how they work the truck routes and all that, how they have to be careful with the logs. And he had told me that when people get busted most of the time driving a big truck is because they're driving, right? For example, just an example, they're driving to New York, right?

So they're on route. So if the driver decides that he's hungry and he wants to eat somewhere and he gets out of the highway, somewhere where he's not really supposed to, he gets out and that's like bad luck in a way. Like you're not supposed to, you know, you should go, you should follow the same route as a truck driver's follow, right? Because a truck driver goes, if he's going from Cali to New York, chances are he's. only place he's going to stop are the truck stops. Right. Right.

So now when you want to do the, when you're just a guy in the game and you might want to stop in the city instead of the truck stop, you might want to go to the strip club. So what is what does that have to do getting busted? Like, so they would always say like once you go out of route, if you get out in the city and you just go somewhere and eat and then you get back in, it's just a luck. It's just a luck. It's a superstition. You know, it's one of those things where, like, they just want you to go.

Right. You know, no stopping, just the wreck. So was it, so it's obviously hauling across the country is long haul truckers. Yep. Did you guys use the mail? For the mail, we used it for Hawaii. Yeah. Right.

We did use it for Hawaii. Wow. What did you like dealing with more, the meth or the Coke? The Coke. The Coke. The Coke is really a rich. man's drug. Yeah.

The Coke made me like, like, and I moved less Coke than all of Met in like my whole career, but I probably made more money moving less Coke than the Met for sure. Yeah, Coke is, yeah, because when I started, when I started getting the Coke, I was getting it for 12, 5 a bird and they were going for 15. So, and then I negotiated with my pops to give me $200. per bird. So at first, they were like,

at first my pop's right hand man, he was like, look, you're going to get the birds. They're going to give you $100 per bird to stash them.

And then you're just going to distribute them to their people. So then when I did that, then I thought about it and I was like, wait a minute, I can make more.

So I got on the, I got on the phone with my pops and I was like, I think, should give me $200 for bird. And he was like, why? I was like, because I'm taking a lot of risk. I need $200 per bird.

I'm receiving $100 a week. Like, I need $200 per. And he was like, all right. So then it became where I was getting $100. And they would tell me like, hey, so-and-so is going to pick up $25. All right. Boom. So somebody would come.

I'll get 25. I'll box them up. I always wear gloves and stuff like that. So I'll box them up for them. They'll pick them up. And he'll give me, he'll give me 15,000 times 25, right? So he'll give me that. And I'll turn around, count it.

And for each bird, I had to return 12.5. So now I'm making 20 Gs for receiving them. And now I'm making... $2,500 a bird. Sometimes less. Sometimes less. Because I'll tell my pops like, hey, or sometimes my pops will be like, hey, this person is, he's getting them at 14.

No, no, no, at 15, 14 and a half. Or he's getting at our price. So I'll be like, all right. So all I'm making on those birds is what I made from taking care of them. Right. You know, so there'll be some that I will make. So hold on. So, and this is 100 kilos a week.

A week. A week. And so if you're making 15. 100 a bird, let's say, on the spread. That's 150 G's plus 20K, the 200 per bird just for stashing up. Yeah. Oh, fuck.

And then the money I'm making is not all my money. It's not all my money because I'm breaking off my pops because I'm in his position. Right. Right. So I'm breaking them off and then everybody's eating. Right. So now I have people that are running around for me.

So I'm breaking. everybody off. Right. Okay. So with the Coke, his cost in Tijuana is 12,500. No. His cost in Tijuana was like 7,500. Okay, okay, okay. So, all right, got it. Yeah. Yeah. So he's making, your pops is making four, five grand kilo. Yeah. Yeah. I got you. He's making about four or five grand, and he's splitting it with his partner. So they're off of cocaine alone. He's making about a quarter million a week. Yeah. But they're splitting it

with different people. Not just him alone. They're splitting it. So, you know, if a hundred shows up, like the first time, well, one of the first times, 100 showed up and there was, I don't know, 30 or something that were different color. And I was like, hey,

why is, what's up with the, I think they were red, I think. I'm like, what's about the red? I, oh, that's so-and-so. Don't worry about those. They're going to come get those. But don't touch those. Don't don't give those to our people.

The same thing, but just different color. So somebody over there was like, hey, I need to do something. Like, all right, we'll let you in on the next ride. On the load. We'll let you in on the load. You got your own or put up some money, put up some money, and then we'll let you in and they'll let them in. They'll let them in and then his people come to me and pick those up.

And you're keeping all of it in one house? Where you keep 100 keys? At the time, either an apartment or a house. Orange County? Yeah, in Orange County. Yeah. Yeah. So I was renting an apartment. Oh, man. We were renting apartments, stuff like that.

Yeah. That's a shit. And would 100 come at a time? Yeah, 100 at once. Wow. 100 at once. Did you know, I've heard that a lot of the people hop like 5, 10, 15 at a time and then wait until all 100 are in one spot and then they move them? No, that's not how. No, that's not how we do. So your dad would get 100 over in one shot? Yeah, they would get 100 over in one shot.

over in one shot. Holy fuck. So they had to been using trucks. They used some ugly as vehicles. You could fit

100 keys of coke? You could fit 100 keys a Coke in like a old SUV Honda, like a small, like I remember

there was this one Honda. It was like a little mini station wagon, but it was a Honda. It was ugly as hell, bro,

like ugly. And it blew my mind that it fit a hundred in there. Under the backseat, there was a freaking hidden compartment. I remember they popped it open, and I was like, what the hell? And we put gloves on and he started, I remember started pulling them out,

pulling them out, started pulling them out. And then the driver, who is he or she? It would just be regular, sometimes gang members, but a lot of times just, by us, just, you know, regular people, regular old, older guys. And would you take care of them or were they? They were already taken care of. Okay. Yeah, they were taken care of.

Wow. So I was just receiving and making sure everything was getting. So in a way later on, I used to be, I started being known as spoiled because everything was coming directly to me. Right. There was a time, for example, that one of the drivers tried to get me to go out to, like, Riverside, which is like an hour away. I remember he called me.

He was calling me like, hey, I need you to come over here, give me a story. a story. So I'm like, all right, hold on. I remember I'm hitting him my pop's like, hey, well, so what this is doing? He's saying I have to go over there and get it from him.

Like, what? Hell no. And then I'll call you back. And then he called me back like, no, he's coming to you. Give him the address. And then I'll hit him up. Like, hey, now you have to come over here.

I can't make it. Like, all right. Did you eventually branch out and make your own customers? Yeah. Yeah, I had my own customer. I always had my own customer. So what happened with the with the with the coke was the med dried out.

The med dried up for some time. At the time they were going for about 17 grand a pound, right? And then it dried up. There was no, there was no met. I don't know what had happened. Oh, I think the, if I remember correctly, some Asian had got busted. That was a big ephedron plug. Right.

So it affected the whole market. Wow. So when he got busted, it affected the market. it affected the market. The pounds had skyrocketed to 17 grand. And I'm hitting on my pops because everybody's dry. Everybody's dry.

Nobody has it. So I'm hitting on my pops and I said, hey, what's up? And he goes, hey, the only thing we have over there right now is paint. And I said paint. And he goes, yeah, that's what they would call it. He goes, the only thing we have is paint, white paint. And I'm like,

what do you mean white paint? And he was like, yeah, you know, the devil's dandruff? And I'm like, but in Spanish, you know, and I'm like, oh, that's all that's all you got? And he's like, yeah, we got a lot of it. And I was like, I don't know nobody for that. And he goes, well, if you just put out the word, put out the word and see what happens. So I'm like, all right. So I got friends and, you know, partners that are, they move work.

They move a lot of work, you know, mehto. So I start telling them like, hey, hey, dog, I got, I got yay. Like, you know anybody? And like, I know people, I'll let you know. So the next thing you know, I'm getting hit up for one to five birds at a time. Right?

So when I got the, the first time I got the 100, I had like five that I had people that were willing to work with me on those five. And then the 95 were all to my pops and his friends people. Right? So then from that, it became where people just started hitting me up for the birds. And like people went from one bird to two birds to five birds. Now I can move in a week now I can move about 20 birds myself.

So do you have to up the order? No, I had to fight with my pops. I would go back and forward with them on the phone. Right. Because now you're taking people's keys. Because now I'm taking from his keys. Yeah, yeah. Now I'm taking from his from their work because I was only getting 100.

I wasn't going to get 200. I was going to get 100. We weren't going to, it wasn't going to be one of those things where we're going to up it. Somebody else, somewhere else has another 100, right? Like in a different county or somewhere else might have another 100, but I have 100, right? So I have 100, and that's what I'm getting weekly. They're not going to up it. They're not, you know, because they already have their people.

They already know what they're pretty much distributing, right? So now I'm on the phone with them. Now I'm on the chirp, you know, now, hey, I need 10. Oh, well, I need 95. Nah, I don't know. I need 10. Like, nah, man, I'll call you back. Like, call me back like, all right, you can have those 10.

Of course, not have them, but, you know, front it, you know, because they're coming to me. But, and then, hey, I need 15 of those. What? Nah, but we need, we need 95 or we need 90. I can't give you 15. Like, man, I need 15. like, man, I need 15 of those. Why can't your dad just send more Coke?

Because that's the way they were doing it. I never asked. I never really asked. But that was the way- Mexicans are pretty stubborn, don't you think? Like real old-school Mexicans? They kind of just do it their way. I think eventually we would have.

Nowadays you would have because there's so much Coke now. Coke is so cheap. And they're sending so much from Columbia. I feel like the loads are, I don't know, I could be wrong. That's just what I read in the newspaper, you know, like. I mean, the thing was that my pops always told me.

They didn't want to get involved with more than what they wanted. So did your pops have a line down to South America? I'm not too sure. Okay. I'm not too sure. Huh. Yeah, I'm not 100% sure. I'm going to.

So, and then he let the. he couldn't get a Fedron, but he still had his cooks, right? They had cooks, but they weren't cooking it like that no more. Right, right. Because eventually it kind of later on it got watered down. You know, the Mets kind of went to. Nowadays is like free, basically. It's like dirt cheap now.

Exactly because they make so much of it or that the quality sucks. The quality sucks. They don't use the Ephedrine no more because the big Ephedrian connect got busted. Right. I read about that. Yeah, he was, I think it's from Thailand. Wow. Yeah, it's these Asian guys.

Yeah. Yeah, he got busted in, I don't know if he was in Saupon, too. I don't remember exactly where he was at. But he was, he affected the whole market. He affected the whole market. But yeah, yeah. So you were just making, you just blew the fuck up. Now you're like the man.

Yeah. For your dad. Yeah. Yeah. It seems like that's, it's interesting, like the timeline for like a kingpin. that's from Mexico is like they sneak into the U.S., they blow up with their connects in Mexico, and then they go back to Mexico and run it from there.

That was... That seems like the path. Yeah, that was my dream. You were going to go to Mexico? That was my goal to end up in Mexico, and Guadalajara also, and just be a kingpin. And just because that's safe. you're safe over there because all you're doing is shipping.

All you're doing is sending the work. Right. And you're safe over there. As long as you move correctly over there, you don't piss people off. You know, you don't burn people. You're cool. And you don't think you're a badass over there. You're good.

Well, your dad's partner got killed, though. Yeah, because he made some enemies. He made some enemies, you know. A bunch of people made enemies, you know. And then not everybody does favors for people, you can say. You know, like his friend that got killed, Tequilero, that had mescal. And he was, like, really big. He was, he got really comfortable and he got killed.

He got snatched up. Oh. So the biggest risk in the United States is getting busted. The biggest risk down there is getting murdered. Yeah. Yeah. But they would, you ask a narco, that's, they want to be in Mexico. If they can build up enough of a network here, they want to leave.

Yeah, they want to leave. Yeah, they want to leave. Yeah, because that's what I wanted to do. Like eventually that's what I wanted to do. So when the feds were watching me, I didn't know it was a fess, but when they were watching me, like I had the opportunity to take off because that was already on my sights. Like I wanted to take off and be just like my pops over there, you know, chilling and, you know,

just sending work and collecting money, you know. And had you built up, did you eventually get up to the point where you had, you could move 100 keys in a week like your Poffs was doing? Yeah, yeah, because all those people were eventually going to be mine. Yeah, because some of those people belong to his partner, and he got killed. Right. So those people were going to become mine. Right.

So those people were just eventually going to just be full blowing my pops, and they were just going to be mine. You know, and then it was just going to be me. Like, and then my pops was just going to be by himself, you know, from all those people. You know, eventually we would have moved more. You know, yeah, we would have. You know, but at that time, it's like 100. was like a good number for me to have.

And so, and what was the max, like, what was the height of it where you were making the most money per kilo? That was probably between 07 to 2012. Okay. Wow. Five years. Yeah, but not, it wasn't always like, because it was, it would stop. Yeah.

You know, it would go on and off. And then there's big people that get busted and it affects the whole market. You know, like I knew of, I never met them, but they didn't know too much of them, but I knew of, for example, the twin brothers in Chicago, you know, you wouldn't, you would know about people. It's just funny the way the game is. You hear of people, you know of people. So somebody gets busted, like Al-Lay, somebody big gets busted, you know that it's about to affect the whole market. You know, somebody gets busted in Mexico. It affects, like, it was just things that would affect. So when I was, you know, you know, moving birds and dope, there was times where it just died out. It died out for a month, a couple of months. You know, but there was times where we knew that was going to happen, and then we'll get a heads up, like, hey, stack up,

or put some away. Put some away because it's about to, it's about to be a drought. Wow. There's about to be a drought. Put some away. I learned that the hard way, because one time I had about 20 pounds of meth, And one of my boys that was also deep in the game, he had like his own work.

And you can say he had his own 20. And I remember he hit me up and he was like, hey, how many you got? And I was like, and I got like 20. And he was like, let me get them from you. And I was like, I was just thinking money like, ching ching. You know, I was just thinking like making more money. Like, yeah, I got you.

And he was like, all right, what you want for them? Gave them the price. you know, made probably 500 on each one, if I remember correctly, and he bought them all, right? And like, within the next couple of days, it dried up. And he knew he had got the word. And I didn't, right? So then I hit up my mom's like, hey, what the hell happened?

Why didn't you tell him? And he was like, damn, I thought you would have known. You could have charged him four times what it was. I could have charged. I could have held on to him. So what he did, he put a bunch of, he put like all those 20 away. He put them all away. And he just waited a couple of days.

for everybody to be completely dry and then he killed the game. Did your dad, so he's in Guadalajara, was he working with any of the big organizations? Like, was he working with Mayo or Chapo and Cino? Was he working with Meno? No, by then, C.J.N.G. wasn't a thing then.

But was he working with like Cartel Millennio? No, he had friends, but he never worked directly with people. I'll take you to when I was a kid. Right. So when my uncle, right, when my uncle disappeared, right, my dad and my aunt, his sister, they flew out to Sinaloa to meet up with my uncle's partner, right? I'm getting chills. But they meet up with him in Sinaloa, right? So they come back and then I hear the story that they were in this dude's ranch. And my aunt looked at the, at the dude. And she said, hey, look me in my face, like, look me in my eyes, like, tell me the truth. Did you have anything to do with my husband's disappearance? And that dude looked at my aunt directly in her face and looked at my dad, and he said, you see that kid right there?

And there was his son. His son was like little, I don't know, six years old or something. I don't remember, but he was a little kid, right? So he goes, you see my son right there? Yeah. I swear on his life that I had nothing to do with your husband's disappearance. About a month later,

that little boy drowned in the pool and died. Right? So we fast forward. That's how, you know, we knew that he did have something. Like we took that man, that's a sign. He did have something to do with it, right? So you could probably Google that and find out who the guy was that your aunt was talking to.

Yeah. Like the boss. I know his name. Yeah, I know his name. Who is he? They called him Cruz, Crusito, Cruz. And he was from the Cartel de Sinaloa. I don't know if he was directly from the cartels.

But he was from Sinaloa. Yeah, he was from Sinaloa. I think he was from Barriwato. I think he was from Chappo's area. Maybe. Why does your, why do drug traffickers need cartels? For the muscle, the enforcers, the power. It's like over here.

I had homies. I had, you know, the hood. Right. The hood that was always around me. You know, all the homies were always together. People are making money. We're always strapped. Yeah.

You know, we run into other gang members and we're like, you know, we have an advantage because we have all these weapons. Right. You know, they might have one gun and there's 15 of us. We have 15 guns. Like, it was just, we're all in flashy cars. But they knew that we're like gang members. So at the same time, we're growing up in, like, with violence, you know, because

Gang members fight. Did you feel like you were still, or were you seen as a gang member when you were at that level of, you got hundreds of keys of coke, were you still seen as a gang member? Are you disappeared now? You must be like off the radar.

No, I would go to the neighborhood. I would go to the neighborhood, but they would look at me different. I would go to the neighborhood, not just me, because there's other homeboys that were doing it big also, that were part of my crew. Of course, I supplied them,

but they were also big, and some of them that I supplied made more money than I did. So, you know, there's ballers, but you can tell because everybody knew where I came from, like my background, my pops and my family. So they knew my background. So they'd be like, man, yeah, they look at you different. Like, man, like this dude's on another level, you know, because I got flashy cars. I got nicer whips.

You know, it's just I'm making more money. I'm treating everybody, you know. It don't matter if you make more money than me serving. You know, I'm still treating you. I'm paying for everything. You know, I'm looking out for people. You know, it's just, it's just the way it is. And then you develop like this heartless mentality with an eagle and with a cockiness, you know, that it took me to the feds to kind of wash it away from me.

Where it was like, man, like, I wasn't as humble as I thought I was. You know, because you developed this like, fuck everybody mentality. Like, you know, you just, I don't know, it just comes naturally where you have to always be like a hard ass in a way. And then when there's, you know, of course there's always You're like girls are intrigued by you So I was known like man that dude's conceited He thinks he's a shit But I didn't want to mess around with like hood rats and you know I didn't want to do any of that

Like I just want to make money and and make sure that my kids were good You know what that's that's what my mentality was and eventually Make it to Mexico you know that's and were you gonna give your business The way that you were schooled in it by your dad's business You were showing all the customers, all the routes. Were you going to do that with somebody here? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, because I eventually had a right-hand man.

Huh. Yeah. I eventually had my own right-hand man, and he was making half of all the money. And even though that I feel now looking back, he didn't deserve it, but, you know, I was just looking out for a lot of people, you know. Did your dad, was he or connect the whole time to you got busted? Yeah, the whole time. Wow. And he's, then he retired, right?

When I got busted, he retired. Okay. So tell me about how you caught your case, son. So in 2013, like in 2012, I knew this lady that would do favors for me. Like she'll drive out of town to pick up money. Sometimes she'll drive me around. And sometimes I'll use her house to unload. I'll use her house for somebody to pick up a load.

and she became like, she was older and she became like a good friend of mine. And then she would, you know, my friends would use her to, not use her, but they would hire her, you can say, and then drive them around,

take them to pick up money, stuff like that same thing. But she was like more loyal. You could say she was loyal to me. So if my friend asked, you know, she would ask me like, hey, yeah, go ahead. That's cool.

So one time she hits me up, And she was like a party animal, you can say. So she hits me up one time. She said, hey, I'm partying with my friends tonight. Can you hook me up with like little eight ball or something to party? And I remember like, the hell? Like, eight ball, like, you know? But since she was my friend did favors for me, I'm like, all right.

So I meet up with her, right? I meet up with her and I gave her the eight ball. I just gave it to her, you know. and she had got busted like I think a day or two before. She had got busted on some dumb stuff, probably possession. I forgot exactly what she got busted, but she got busted for like possession or something, right? So they scared her and she gave up my name, right?

So when we met up, that was them testing her. That was regular PD testing her to try to give somebody up. So when I met up with her, I was in a beat, MW, so I meet up with her, I gave her to her, and we don't exchange no money or nothing. So they knew that I just gave it to her, and they were like, oh, okay. So I go home, like later on the day, I go home, but she had already gave them a lot of information about me. So I go home, right, and I get home, I park the Beamer, and then, like, the next day I leave,

and then they see me come home in a Harley truck, right? So now I'm in a Harley truck, and so they're like... What the hell? This is somebody. So they raid me and they don't find that. They found money. Okay, they found money. And then they bust me.

And then they try to say they found perfanilia in my house, right? So I get on the phone in jail. I get busted and I get on the phone. And I called one of my boys and I said, hey, come bail me out. And he's like, all right, I'll go. I said, look, if you come bell me out right now, I said, before you come bail me out, go by my house and pick up the Beamer and you could have it.

And he was like, what, for real? I said, yeah, you could have that shit. Because I thought that the Beamer caught me attention. Hmm. Right? Because it was a 745 at the time, real flashy. I live in a regular neighborhood. So I'm thinking the Beamer just,

I'm not knowing why I got raided. I'm thinking I was just seen in a flashy Beamer and they got curious. That's what I thought. they found that money, right? So I bow out and then I go and I jump in a different way, but I go in my house and I go through another stash spot that I had at home and I end up finding more money that they didn't find. So I'm like, what the fuck? So now I'm a, I get put on probation for this paraphernalia, right? So now I'm reporting to probation. So I did about a month in county, right? In about 2012, I do about a month in county.

and I get out and then I continue, right? I continue back. So I'm working right now, and I have probation now. So now I have to go report to a freaking probation office, right? So when I get to probation, so I bail out,

and when I bail out, I went and I bought an escalate. It was weird, but I was like, I don't know, it was flashy. I went and cashed out an escalate, and then while I'm cashing out, the escalate, I tell the sales manager at the dealership,

I said, hey, can give me a Panamara? And he's like, yeah, I said, how much? And he goes, 50 Gs. And I said, 50 Gs for a Panamara. And he goes, yeah, what color you want? I'm like, it doesn't even matter. I just want a Panama, bro. And this is about 2012.

And I go, I just want a Panama. Just give me whatever color. Because I had done the same with the Beamer. The Beamer, I went to a dealership. I said, hey, I want a 745. I'll lie. Can you get it? And it was a dealership that I got hooked up through Gualajara.

So they gave me the Beamer the same way. So when I went to buy the Cadillac, I said the same thing. Hey, let me, give me a Panamara. All right. Panamara Porsche. Yeah, Panamara Porsche. So I say, give me 90 days. I'll come back and I'll cash you out.

And the dude was like, I know you will. And I was like, all right. So we became friends. So now I got the Escalate, Harley truck, and I got the Beamer, but the Nala Beamer. And you would pay 50 G's in cash. I was going to, yeah. Yeah, cash in the Panamara.

And you know. this is a dealership that's cool. Yeah, because he's... They're in on it. This dealership was out of Dana Point by the water. So when I was negotiating the deal on the Cadillac, I was talking to the sales manager, and of course I didn't, I just met him, right?

Because this is a different dealership than where I got the Beamer. So this is a more, the owner of this dealership is a white guy. And then the sales manager was like Punjabi or something, right? If I remember correctly. So we become like we're conversating. And when I'm negotiating trying to buy the Cadillac, I'm like, I'm like, hey, what if I was to buy this cash? And he's like, oh, well, you know, I couldn't, you know, make it so that it looks like you bought it on payments. And I'm like, all right, can we do that?

And he was like, yeah, we'll make it, we'll make it like that. And I was like, all right. Because I negotiated, the Cadillac, I negotiated, I ended up paying $21,5 cash for it. So when I'm negotiating it, because they want it like $30 or something. So when I'm negotiating, I'm like, I'll give you a bunch of crispy new hundreds. I said, all cash. I said, just how do I, because since I was getting money from Hawaii,

I was getting money orders from a 7-Eleven. And at times, there was times where I'll have like 20,000 in money orders. And one time I went to Bank of America and I had an account and I tried to deposit them. And they called the manager of the bank and the manager came and got me and was like, come over here. And she happened to be Hispanic, probably had people in the life also. And we sit down in her office and she's like, what are you doing? And I was like, what do you mean? And she's like, what are you doing?

And I'm like, they're real, they're legit. I have a business. I have a catering business. I did a big catering in Hawaii. So now I'm trying to deposit the catering money into my account. She was like, that's not the way it works. She was like, you're trying to catch attention. She's like, I don't know what you do.

And I know these are legit. I can tell. But don't do it like that. So I, you know, I kind of, I was put up on game. It wasn't like I went to a school. it was like experiences where like, damn, I'm being a dummy right now because I was having to learn

a lot of stuff on my own, you know, because my Pops was gone, so a lot of things. And then... Well, did you keep I was going to ask you that? So what did you do with your money? Obviously, you shipped your Pops' money back to Mexico. Were you also sending money back there? Yeah, I was. I was. Okay. So I was sending

money back. Right. So there's properties in Mexico that if they get sold, you know, I can, you know, have a little something, you know. Yeah. Or my kids can have a little something. But did you, in the States, did you keep anything, I was going to say, did you, did you

mostly just stay in cash and hide it? Or did you have investments to make it look like, you're legit? Mainly blow it all. And then when the feds came, they took it all. Yeah. They took a lot of cash. Yeah, when the feds came, they got me. And then you have, you always have problems.

So if somebody gets busted, you got to. you got to give the wife money, you got to give them lawyer and bail money because you don't want them to tell on you. Right, exactly. And then if that person got busted with work, now you just lost like 35 grand, 50 grand. You got to chop it up.

Yeah. You know, so it's, yeah, you make so much money, but it's not a problem-free career. You have whatever scale you're in, the more money, the more problems. So there were times where, somebody gets busted and they owe 35 grand, they get busted. Now I got to chalk it up.

You know, I have to take that loss. And now I have to take care of the wife, lawyer money. So now I got to take the wife, say, 20 Gs, 25 Gs. Now I just lost, you know, all that money, you know. Yeah. How did it work with your dad? Because, you know, he was a partner in a way. Yeah. Like you never paid for anything up front. You just got the work.

Got the work. Whatever the agreed upon price, you would give him his end. And then once in a while, I would send money. Okay. In a while, I would send money for a job.

So once in a while, once in a while, he'll be like, hey, you want to get in on this next one? Send me 25. All right. I got you.

So I'll send 25. A load will get in. I'll wait. A load will get in. And then I'll have my own. Okay. So,

but if you guys are going in together, how did it work with losses, like between you and your pops? I would take the losses over here myself. If it was my problem, I would take, I will take the loss. Did you ever have a time

where a big load got busted? Yeah, yeah. Really? Like at the border? At the, yeah, at the border too, yeah.

One time that I gave up some money, and then I had a good friend of mine that was legit. He was like, he's always just been legit, right? So there was a time he needed money. He was trying to do something at his house or something and he was like bugging me. Like we meet up and he was a good friend. I'm like, hey, man, let me in. Let me in a job. Can I invest some money and then flip it? And I was like,

eventually I was like, yeah, I got you. You know, give me this much. And then once it gets here, if you got people, you move it. If not, I'll help you move it and you make that money. Because it's going to be your stuff. And yeah, but a lot, with that, a couple, I did that a couple of times, but they bug. They bug. I would have to cash them out of my own money. Then I'll just wait to move their product. Did, did you have any idea?

Your dad obviously is, knows exactly how it's getting hopped. How it's getting moved across. Would you guys send people to get caught? No, no, no. You never did any of that? No, they never did any of that. No, they, they wouldn't do that. They were stand-up guys.

Yeah, they never did that. and everything, none of that. But what would happen? Like, did a runner ever get busted with a big load of money or keys or anything like that? Yeah, and then there was situations where somebody were run off with money. Right. And I had to go investigate. I was going to ask you about that.

Without giving up too much detail, like, how do you trust the person with the million dollars you got to send back to Mexico in a shitty car? Who are those people? Like, do you trust those people more? Yeah, because. Are those family members? Like, how do you? These people will be, for example, I'll just say like random names and stuff. Like this person will be Chui that lives in a little neighborhood in Samora that my pops and his boys know his whole family.

Right. Right. that they known Chui since they were kids. And then now Chooie is, he has dual citizenship. And Chooey freaking is a person that comes over here. He's over here, but he takes like clothes and merchandise back over there. And he's always driving back and forth. So they're always seeing them on the border.

Right. So he's a regular. Yeah. So now he's hurting for money or he wants some more money. And then he brings it up to like my pops or one of them like, I go every day. And then the fact that he's a regular, they're seeing him.

He's a regular. So the fact that he's a regular, it works in their favor. Like, oh, he's a regular. All right, he could do that for us. So now that they might hire him because they know all his family. They know where he lives.

They know everything about him. And of course, when they bring somebody in, like, that's going to do favors, they got to know everything about them. Right. Their addresses. Like, they got to know everything. Especially the money people.

Yeah. So there was this one time where this dude had 25 birds. And he was going to deliver him, right? And a truck. It was like a, it was a silver auto two-door silverado. And he ends up reporting back that he got busted, right? So he reports back and he says that he got pulled over and they impounded the truck. And then he got busted, but they let him out.

couple hours later for whatever case. And then they showed me the paperwork. So Sprykel, the one that, you know, ended up getting killed. He shows me the paperwork. And I'm looking at the paperwork. And I'm like, this don't look, it don't look legit, bro. Like, it doesn't look real.

Like, this looks like a fake paperwork. And he was like, I know it. It does look fake. And I was like, man, what should we do? And he was like, well, we're going to find out. We got to go investigate. So we started, we ran around. And then we fake.

figured out where the truck that it did get told, right? It got impounded, right? So the truck ended up in an impound in L.A. in by Commerce casino. So we show up and they're having an auction, right? We show up to this public auction and they're auctioning now impound the cars. It's an impound auction, right? So we walk in and there's that truck, right? And they auction the truck, right?

So now we waited outside and we followed. to the truck. We follow the truck like a couple miles to a to a mechanic shop, right? So the truck goes into the mechanic shop and we go in, we go to the mechanic shop and Sprichle starts talking to the owner of the mechanic shop. And he says, hey, man, I know you just bought that truck, but that truck has sentimental value to me. Can I buy it from you? And the guy was like, man, I was going to going to use it for my shop. But, man, I paid like a thousand bucks for it. And then Sprichael was like, man, I'll give you, you know,

$1,000, $2,000 for it. And the guy was like, he's like, man, it's because it was my grandpa's. And, you know, man, it means a lot. Like, we had it parked wrong. And man, I really, I would really appreciate it if you sold it to me. And he's like, all right. So he buys a truck from him. We take the truck.

and we put it in a garage, right? So Spryko gets in his whole mechanic freaking mold and he goes under the truck and he unscrews the transmission. He unscrews the transmission and he fucking takes it, boom, and it's dry. There's no oil in the transmission has been cleaned out because that's where the birds were at.

Yeah. So that's where the birds were at. So now we have to report that the dude ran off with the birds because there's no way that the birds ended up like that and there's no oil and all that because if they would have found them

the truck would have ended up as evidence right of course you know it would have ended up in as evidence it would have not ended up in a freaking you know in a toll a random tow yard so what the dude was what the dude did he took out he took it out

he took them all out and he ran off with them he put the truck back together and he parked it somewhere where he knew it was going to get told. So he left it there and then it got told and then, you know, and ended up so we had to report. So when I reported that back,

I knew how in deep shit that dude was. So when I reported back like, hey, there's nothing in the truck. I go, oh, okay, okay. And I said, what's up? You want me to go find them? Like, nah, that's okay. He has to come to Mexico.

he has to fly to Valhara. Because they know who he is. They know who he was. Wow. And then later on, I found out that they, instead of killing him, they just took a bunch of stuff from him. They took like two, three homes from him in Mexico. Oh, wow.

Yeah, they got him. He didn't get killed or nothing. But usually they can find these people. Yeah, because they know everything about you. Yeah. Even if it's a guy just a kid from Tijuana that wants to drive a load across. They know where your family's at. They know everything about them.

Yeah. Information is so in Mexico, we know because we've been down there a bunch. Like the way these guys operate, it's like they're the police and that they know everything. It's constant information passing. Yeah, they know everything. You know what I mean? They know everything. And there's, there was a bunch of situations like that where somebody ran off.

And, you know, and I would call like, hey, this person, the house is empty now. somebody owed 200 grand for example and I go to the house where he tells me like oh come back in come back in two weeks I got you all right show up in two weeks

the house is vacant like what the fuck so I reported back like hey the house is empty what the fuck okay like what's up you want you want me to look for him like nah don't trip he's gonna have to come over here

and then once they get over there you know their open season so they were always track down the person. Yeah, they would always most of the time, yeah. Yeah. Do you think that's why your dad preferred working with Mexicans? Because if I'm

not coming back to Mexico, if I run off with 25 keys. Well, it wasn't that because there was Hawaiians. Right. You know, Hawaiian gave me up on my case. Okay, hold on. We'll get to that. We'll get to that. But before we get to your, how you fell,

are you aware, not your pops or anything to do with you, but are you aware of any instances where they actually had to send hitters, like, smuggle them in to the States to go take care of somebody like that? I mean, I heard stories, but I don't know too much details on them. No, I don't even want details. Like, does that even happen? Yeah, it does happen. It does happen. It does happen, but they have guys from neighborhoods here. So they have gang members, you know, they have gang members that do all that.

for them, you know. Soreños, you know, whatever it is. Logan Heights. Yeah, homies. Mostly from like L.A., Orange County. You know, so they have homies on the teams. Right. Yeah.

We had a guy on here. Okay. Let me ask you this. He's a nice guy, so I don't want to call him out. He was a recent guest on the show. He said that he was an American from Texas and he would get smuggled into Mexico, just like a reverse migrant coming into the States

he would get smuggled in there and he would go do hits for the organizations on the border you know Matamoros all those really shitty places Renosa

did that make any sense to you you know quite about this world I mean I offered it before in the past back then I offered my services or my pops told me no in Mexico?

Yeah, in Guadalajara, stuff like that, or other places. I did offer, I did know of people that did go over there and clean up plazas, how clean plazas. And like, I had some real good friends of mine

that they went to Sakatecas and to clean up plazas because they were fighting the setas. So they went over there and they were like real, they were like real, they were gang members, but they were really militant.

They were really good at, if we went to shooting, range. They were better than cops at shooting. Like, they were on another level. And when they told me the story of when they went over there in a cleanup plaza, one of them was like, he was so jazzed of the way it went down. He said that he was like with the AK, like, because they put like a crew under him. So he told me how he was like, he got in full blown like warrior freaking, you know, mold or whatever.

Like he was like, yeah, guys. And he was telling me how they cleaned up plaza. And I was like, oh, shit. So when I, there was times we're offering my pops like, hey, well, if you guys are beefing over there, you know, if you got that little beef right there, you want me to go over there with some homies? Like, nah, nah, it's cool. We got it.

He seemed like he wanted to keep you out of violence. Yeah, yeah, because there were certain things that he would try to keep me out of. For example, there was, he would always tell me, don't let me ever catch you in the kitchen. Don't ever let me catch. Don't ever go to a kitchen. Don't be in a kitchen. What's a kitchen? Where they cook this stuff.

So he never wanted me to be around. Because that's where you get robbed or killed. Or you get raided. Right. And then now you get raided with all this work. But of course it was before we even knew about the feds and all they operate and everything. Because you can get busted just driving. Right.

So it's just he would try to minimize my risk, you can say. Yeah. For example, everything would come to me instead of me. Because there was times where I would have to drive somewhere once in a while, drive somewhere, like, fuck it, I'll take the drive. Drive somewhere, pick up some work, and then drive back. You know, it was risky, but, you know, I just did it, you know, without telling my pops. Like, a driver, like, hey, man, I'm stuck over here.

Like, all right, man, I'll go. You know, where's it at? Or I'm on my way. You know, I'll go myself, you know, and a little hoopty. Yeah. You know, that's why I always say, if I'm at the red light and say a 1992 Honda Civic pulls up next to me and there's just a random, regular looking Honda Civic and I look at it, it always brings me back to it like, man, that dude probably got about $40 million worth of work in there. Because that's what we're using. That's what I was using.

I was using little hoopties, regular Camrys, regular. regular two-door Saturns, you know, regular, just regular, ugly cars that you just think I'm going to my 9-5 and I'm making minimum wage and I barely could afford this car and, you know, I got a quarter million dollars worth of work in the car

and, you know, who's going to suspect? If I pull up to the red light and a dude in a bends pulls up next to me, you're going to suspect the dude in the bends is doing it. Right. Not the dude in a little hoopty, you know? So that's how, that's how, was. So, so you knew gang members from Orange County, Chicano's, that would go into Mexico

to clean plazas. I met some that, I met some that, that went over there to clean up, to help clean plazas, yes. Wow. I mean, Logan Heights famously, they went down and did work. Yeah, for in T.J. Yeah. And T.J. and shit. Yeah. So that does happen. Yeah. That does happen. So now we're in 2012. This is where you got, you got told on. I got, I got, I get, I get told on on a little eight bog right so I bowed out and then I get put on probation yeah for like paraphernalia and then the money I couldn't fight the money because my lawyer was like you're gonna raise some red flags if you want me to fight for this money how much cash was it well 55 gs um and then I had another I had another 30 that didn't find um but they took they took 55 and he and then people owe me money

So he was like, hey, if I fight for this money, like you're going to raise some red flags. So just take it as a loss. And I was like, all right, fuck it. I'll take it as a loss. So then I continue, right? But now I have a full-blown right-hand man that he's doing everything for me.

So the right-hand man that I had, he was the type of person that if I send them to, say, Santa Barbara, he go to Santa Barbara and then he'll come back and he'll be like Hey bro what the hell That dude looked like a sheriff bro He's white with a big old mustache dude Are you sure he's not a sheriff?

And I'll be like bro Relax, relax Man, it's a good customer like Relax, he's good Or he'll go to a neighborhood somewhere Inside somebody's gang And he'll do a transaction And he'll call me like

Dude why didn't you tell me How was gonna go into a neighborhood a bunch of other gang members, and man, they could have, like, bro, you're good, don't worry about it. He'll always have a complaint about somebody, right? So the Hawaiian that I was serving, when he met the Hawaiian, of course, he had a complaint about,

oh, man, he looks fishy, something's up with him. Like, man, come on, bro, you say that about everybody, right? So then I send them to see what's up with the Hawaii. So he tells me, nah, bro, I don't want to deal with that Hawaiian. Something's up with that, dude. And I'm like, bro, you say that about everybody, man. Like, you know, like, you say everybody's fishy. So, man, let me, let me contact him myself.

So I really knew the Hawaiian, but I had just put him to work with my right hand. But it got to the point where the Hawaiian got busted without us knowing, and he flipped. He got busted in Hawaii on the second bust. He got busted out of L.A., southwest. He was shipping work through Southwest and L.A. You could probably Google that for sure. Southwest Airlines. Southwest Airlines, yeah, there was a whole crew.

Yeah, it's probably on Google. There was a crew out of Southwest Airlines, L.A. that got busted, and he was part of that crew. So when they got busted, he got busted with them, bailed out, but he wasn't like, they didn't have them as, like, somebody big or nothing. So he bowed out and he hooked up with a different crew. I think out of San Francisco doing the same thing to Hawaii. So when he went to Hawaii, the DEA busted him in Hawaii.

So when they took him to court, the judge told them like, oh, you're looking at it double now. Like you bell on bail crime. So they gave him the opportunity to talk. And this is meth. This is meth. So when he flipped, he told them about me. So he painted a perfect picture. He sang music to their ears.

So he told them about me, told them that I was running stuff for my pops here in California. And then I was doing all this stuff. And he was getting the work for me. Right. So he didn't mention my right hand or nothing. He only mentioned me. So when my right hand tells me, hey, something's up with that, dude. What's up with that?

And I'm like, dude, you say that about everybody. Just being paranoid. Yeah. You're like, you're saying that about everybody. So then I meet up with him and I'm like, what's up? What's been going on? You know? Because we lost contact for a couple months because he got busted.

So he got busted, gets out, starts working with them. So now he's gathering up information. So I'm not the only one that he's giving up. He's giving up other people. Right. So when we meet up, he tells me, hey, I'm not doing the weekly route anymore. I'm only doing it once a month. I'm like, all right, that's cool.

And he goes, but I'm doing the same thing, but just once a month. So I'm doing about 10 pounds once a month. He's like, and my people from Hawaii fly in, and then they get it. They get it back. So I don't deal with that no more. I don't deal with the transportation anymore. So I'm like, okay, cool. So because at one time, I had my own transportation through a mailing place,

through like a mom and pop UPS type store. So that dude, he gave up that dude also So he gave up that dude without me knowing Because I had a right-hand man So I'm kind of blind to a lot of the street stuff That's going on So I didn't know my distributor Or not the distributor

But the shipping guy I didn't know he got busted From the through the Hawaii, right? I didn't know he got busted So he's sitting in the feds I'm not even knowing this So when I meet up with the Hawaiian He tells me, oh yeah, well I'm moving

I'm moving it once a month now, but I'm moving 10 and one shot. I go, alright, that's cool, whatever, you know, and he goes, but since in this last couple months, I've been going through somebody else, but now I want to go back

to you, and I said, okay, and he goes, but I need a sample. And if you got a sample for me, it's a pound. It's about a pound. You got to buy like a pound for me. I'm not giving you an ounce. You're buying a pound for me as a sample. You're not buying a little A bar or nothing like that, bro.

For me, you want a sample, you got to buy like a pound. You got to spend some money. So he's like, hey, but I'll take a pound, you know, as a sample. And I was like, all right. So I took him a pound. He pays me. And then he leaves, but I was on surveillance. And then they put me on surveillance.

So he put me on surveillance. And they got to the point where I walk out my house. And, well, the first time, when I realized I was being watched, I come out my house and I'm I'm exiting and I call my pops and I'm like, what's you're doing? It's early in the morning and I, you know, I talk to them every day. So I'm like, what's up? And I'm driving.

But when I'm exiting my complex, the condos, I'm exiting. And across the street, there's apartments. It's like a neighborhood, right? So across the street, there's apartments. And from being there so long and just always being aware of my surroundings, When I'm exiting, I look across the street and I'm like, oh, somebody bought a new charger. At the time, charger was still kind of nice, you know, 2013. So I'm like, that's a nice charger.

Right. So I exit to the right. I see the charger across the street. Catches my attention for some weird reason. I'm like, oh, somebody bought a charger good for them because there are ghetto apartments. So good for them, right? So I'm like driving and I'm driving. And when I'm driving, I get to the other entrance slash exit.

of the complex I live at. So I'm about to pass it and there's an SUV getting ready to exit. So it caught my attention. So I'm like, for some reason that SUV caught my attention, but I didn't think nothing of it. So I keep going and I'm driving

on this two lane little avenue for like, I'm driving probably a mile and I'm talking to my pops. Yeah, and I'm just telling them, I'm like, today I'm going to go to the office and, you know, check out, you know, this and that. And I'm telling them the game.

plan for the day, right? And I'm telling them who owes and who I haven't seen. So I'm talking because we communicate every day. And I remember I'm talking to him and I look in the rearview and I'm like, oh, shit. And he goes, what? Don't tell me you're being followed. And I say, yeah.

So I look in the rear view and I see the black charger and that same like a bluish SUV behind it. So I'm like, what the hell? So I'm like, oh, shit. And he goes, you got anything on you? And I'm like, nah. And he goes, well, where you're going, you can't go. And I'm like, yeah, I know, obviously.

So I got a detour now. And he goes, yeah, be careful. So I'm like, fuck, grab that phone. I break it and a half, open the stash. I throw that phone in there because it was a chirp. And that was the Mexico phone. So as long as, you know, other phones are fine, but I always had it in my mind. As long as they don't know, I'm connected straight to Mexico, I'm safer here if I get busted.

because they'll just consider me a drug dealer. Right. You know? So the other phones are fine because it's just people from the states, you know? But once you have that Mexico numbers, it changes things. Sure. I broke people, put it away. And then I go through another avenue.

And then now I got three, four cars turning at the same time. And I'm like, oh, damn, what the hell? So now I pull in a parking lot. I pull in a parking lot. And now I see them how they're trying to station. themselves, right? So now they pull them, they all pull in like across the street and stuff. So now there was a charger. There was an expedition. There was an envoy. I think it was anvo SUV. And there was a white, I think it was a Durango, a truck, a Dodge truck, a white Dodge truck,

right? So it's four vehicles that I notice. Right. So now I'm like, fuck, I can't go to the apartment where all the work is at. How much work was in there? At the apartment, at that time, like 25 pounds probably. Of meth. A bet. So I'm like, Did you keep the meth and the coke in different apartments?

No, same apartment. Same apartment. Yes. So the whole mother load would be in one apartment? Yeah, one apartment. Because it'd be, there were always somebody there.

There was always somebody there. And then a lot of times, I would, like if I had a friend, for example, and my friend was legit, single dad, or just a single dude

that has his own apartment, I would say, I'll pay half of your rent. I'll pay half of your rent and let me leave some stuff here What's the most work you would have in an apartment at one time? Do you remember? Like 100 pounds.

And Coke? And Coke? Like 100 birds? Yeah. A hundred birds. So you have 200 joints in there. Yeah, and then my friend, one of the times my friend got so paranoid on me and he was like, hey, bro, we can't do this no more. Yeah, I wonder why, dude.

We can't do this no more. Because my friend had a two-bedroom apartment and one apartment was just the work. I mean, one room was all the work. And there was a time where I got about 25 pounds that was all shake. All it was like of dope. It was all shake, right? So I called my pops like, hey, man, what the fuck? I got nothing but shake.

What the hell? And he's like, all right, I'm going to send you, I'm going to send you a cook and he's going to bring it back to life. Like, okay. So then I get in contact with the cook And I'm like, and this is around, you know, 2012, 11 around there. Right. So I'm in contact with the cook and I'm like, hey, what do I do? And he goes, well, I'll show up.

I'll show up tomorrow, but I need you to go buy this. And I'm like, what? And he goes, I need to go buy a bunch of, as the most coffee thermostets you could find. He said, go buy all of them. Like go buy at least 50 of them things. And I'm like, what the hell? What the fuck? I'm like 50.

He goes, yeah, go buy a couple big pots like you're making freaking posole. He goes, go buy some pots. Go buy distilled a bunch of distilled water. Go buy some strainers. And I'll be over there. I'm like, what the fuck? So I go to the, I went to like Home Depot, bought a bunch of thermostats. Fucking bunch of coffee cups.

You know, the stainless steel. They had to be stainless steel. Can be no plastic. Stainless steel, right? So then he comes over and my friend, it was his apartment. So now we're in the kitchen and we got these pots running with the distilled water boiling it. And now this guy is dumping the shake with a distilled water. And he's he keeps just moving it around, moving the pot around, moving it around, moving it around, moving it around, moving around.

at a, I think it was 350, had to be the flame. So he's moving around, moving around, moving around, until it gets like yellowy, until you lift up the, it's like the spoon, you can say, to you lift it up, the wooden spoon, though. You know, the wooden ones that you can make

chocolate with, like, Mexican chocolate. So he, like, he'd take it out. And when it becomes, like, caramel, once it becomes caramel, then it's good. Then we get the, we get thermostat.

and then you dump that in the thermostats, you close them up, and then you put them on the floor. So imagine a room almost as big as this with a bunch of thermostats on the floor. A bunch of thermostats, coffee mugs, just all over the floor, right? So not thermoses. Thermacet is what you change the temperature with.

Thermoses, my bad. I'm Mexican, so, you know, sometimes my Paisa, sometimes my Paisa comes out, you know. Just for people at home, just I want them to understand. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, coffee mugs. Yeah.

So stainless steel coffee mugs, right? So now this dude is, he was a cook. So he's dumping, he's pouring the caramel in the coffee mugs. And now there's coffee mugs all over the floor overnight, closed up overnight, right? So tomorrow in about, you know, 24 hours, you open one up and you flip it over and you got these big. big old charred like this big old blocks like three of them that just come out thing you know big old ones like this big bro so now i got some nice as word now you're on now i'm up but now my friends like hey bro hey bro like i i sell insurance like bro i can't have this like bro i yeah i can't like bro i can't

like bro i can't have this like i didn't know it was like this your pops do you think even after he went on the run he went back to Mexico, he still was so connected. Yeah. Like he lived in the United States for what? I guess he lived there for 20 years, 25 years before he fled, but do you think he was still more connected than you? So this day? Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

He knows cooks, he knows hitters. He knows runners. Yeah. It's fascinating. Yeah, he was like he could take care of any problem. He knew lawyers. Yeah, he knew, he knew, yeah, he knew. He knew. Yeah. He was, he was, like, really plugged in. Because I met people through him, you know. I met a lot of people through him that eventually became my customers also, or I would deal directly with him.

But, yeah, he was. And then when we lived over there, you know, there was a time. And, you know, I come from where everything I'm telling you, like, if I was lying, if I'm, like, lying or making up shit, I got people that will call me like, bro, why the hell you make it? up shit. Right? So there was a time where we're living in Gualajara and I was like 12, 13 years old, right? So my pop's had a friend, a real good friend of his, right? And my pop says that he was going to go to Sinaloa with his friend, right? So I'm like, all right, cool. So my

pa was like, yeah, I'm going to go with my friend Edgar to Sinaloa. Like, all right, what are you going for? And like, oh, you're going to check out some business over there. Like, okay, cool. So my pops goes, then my pops comes back. And, you know, I was like 12, 13 years old. So my pops comes back and we're talking. I'm like, hey, pops, how did it go over there? And he goes, man, I met some big time boss. And I go, oh, yeah, what happened?

Who was it? And he goes, well, they call him Mayo. And he's big. And I'm like, oh, yeah, how'd you meet him? He's like, well, my friend Edgar, Edgar's wife is Mayo's niece. So when we went over there, we went to go meet up with Mayo because Edgar wants to work for Mayo. And I'm like, oh, yeah, who is here or what? And he's like, nah, he's big.

And he offered me to work for him. And I said, oh, so you're going to go work for him? And he's like, nah. He's like, I told him, I told him what I'll do respect. Like, I can't. And I said, really? Like, he offered you to work for him and he's a big boss. And he's like, yeah, but he's too big.

He's like, he's too big. And I'm like, well, isn't that like a plan to get too big? And he was like, nah, not that big. And he tells me, he's like, you don't understand yet. That's signing away your life. you're signing a contract. And I'm like, what do you mean? But you're going to, you know, you're going to make more money.

And he's like, nah, that's not the route I want to take. I'd rather be independent. It tells me I'd rather stay independent. And he's like, because then with that, you have to, you know, it comes with permission and you got to, you know, you got to ask somebody for son. Like, he's like, it comes with, it's a different life. Plus, Mayo was never free.

Even when you're in Mexico, you're trapped because you're the, the most wanted man in the world. At the time, he was early going to get on the most wanted. Right. He was about to be. He was about to be because shortly after that, I was looking at a magazine. It starts with a P, I think. I forgot the magazine, but I used to love these magazines because they were so real, so raw.

They would show the bodies and everything, right? So I'm looking at this magazine and it said, El Mayo Zambada, Ismael, El Mayo Sambada. Masbo Scada almost wanted. And I'm like, so when my pops gets home, I'm like, hey, dad, remember the guy you told me in Mayo? And he's like, yeah, what about him? And I go, was this him? And he goes, yeah, that was him.

And I'm like, what the hell? So I knew that's how at 12, 13 years old, I started realizing like, damn, this is another level. So just to think about how powerful your dad was, and he's just one guy running a team, basically. You think about a guy like Mayo. Yeah. He had how many guys like your dad,

I mean, the power is immense. Yeah, yeah. On the level of, again, a president. Yeah, exactly. So my father's reached the level, but that's a whole other level. Yeah. You know, he reached a level,

but it wasn't like that type of level because he maintained an independent lifestyle, you can say. He just always was independent. Now, did he have bodyguards? You know, when he was sent him product to you, did he, was he aware of the danger, though? Yeah. His business partner got killed. Yeah. His brother-in-law got killed. Yeah. Did he roll around with protection? Yeah, he always rolled around with protection. Yeah. I always rolled around with, you know, gang members or regular dudes. There's always somebody with them at all times. Yeah. Yeah, there's a dude. When we went,

When we're leaving, I went to his boy and like, hey, you know, take care of my dad. Yeah. If not, I'm going to come look for you. And he laughed like that. I got you. Okay. So we've taken all these sidebars, but it's just so fascinating that I don't want to forget to ask you anything. So now you're hemmed up.

You got four undercovers following you. So I'm being watched. I'm being watched. And I got watched where I was being followed for between, six months to a year, but minimum six months I was being watched. Okay. Right? Because the Hawaiian kept trying to get me to do 10 pounds.

But at the time, there was like a drought. In 2013, there was a drought going on. So the meth was dry. So for me, there was times where I had to go, somebody I knew, get five, somebody else I knew, get 10, you know? So I was having to network a lot to get the work that I needed. because in a week I could move you know like 20 pounds of dope

in a week maybe even more like dope was just like it was so easy for me to move because it was like my main bread and butter so I could move if you gave me 100 I'll move them for you like within a week like I'm like no BS like I can move them right so it was around that time it was kind of dry

but the Hawaiian was asking me for 10 and to me 10 wasn't like a crazy number it was like okay that's normal that's what we move anyways to Hawaii Because we were doing weekly to Hawaii, but we were doing like two or three a week, right? Sometimes five a week. But it was there nothing crazy because it was the airport or a little shipping place, you know, like a mom and pop UPS store. So that's how I was.

So I'm being watched. I'm not able to do nothing. My right hand is doing most of everything. My homies are doing their thing. I'm being watched, but I'm telling people like, hey, something's up. I'm staying away from people. I'm mainly staying away from everybody that's like doing their thing

so I'm like in the cuts I'm just like there's times where I'm coming out my house and I'm on the phone and I'm like yeah I'm on my way Don you're gonna meet me at the office or I'll meet me at the apartment all right and I'll be like this and I look and I look like to the right because it's like the condos they're like dead ends

so I look to the right and I'll see one of the vehicles that follows me and I'll be like damn I'll be like hey bro like I'll be like my baby mama's tripping. I got to take care of some stuff. Like she's tripping right now. He'll be like, all right, cool. I'll be like, man, I can't see you right now, dog.

Like, I'll call you later. All right, we'll hang up. I'll be like, damn, these fuckers are here. So I'll jump in my vehicle and then I'll leave, and I'll be followed. But now I'll go somewhere else. I'll go somewhere else. And you don't know it's the Hawaiian that's...

And I don't know it's the Hawaiian that gave me up. Okay. So I don't... I'm not knowing that it's the Hawaiian that gave me up, Right. And you haven't been told on in your whole career. Nope.

And it doesn't sound like your pops was either. No. Did you have any mechanism for keeping track of your workers, like the ones that were really picking up bulk? Um, like where, were there were, no. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah, it was, it was kind of like a, if I don't hear from you, if I'm dealing with you and then I don't hear from you tomorrow. And then all of a sudden I hear from you the next day after that and you're like trying to pick up. level of work, then I know, because that did happen,

where I'm like, how'd you go from one pound to five pounds like that, you know, like the hell? Like, and then just, you know that something happened. Ah, you get rid of, you just cut them off. Cut them off. Yeah, that happened. That happened where like, right. Wait a minute.

How you go from, how you, overnight, how you go from, you know, this much to this much overnight or like, or you just, it doesn't sound right. Like something's like, you know, time. And that's what's something I kind of had to develop or try to read the room. There was a time where I got set up to get killed. I got set up to get killed. And by the, if a cop doesn't pass by coincidentally, I would have got killed. So I went to go meet up with somebody, right?

And I got the story later. So I was doing business with some dude from a neighbor. in a whole different city, right? And his boy got out from prison, and he was a homie, a gang member also. And he was hungry for money, right? So he was like, hey, well, you know, since you're doing business with somebody, let me get them. Let me rob them. Like, all right, I'll let you rob them.

Okay, well, let's set it up. So they set it up. And while they were setting it up, there was a person in that room that I also did business with that they didn't think this person was going to tell me because this person, had developed a lot of love and loyalty for me because I was just, you know, I was a good person. I was good to people.

I wasn't a fucked up person. Like, I looked out, you know? So this person developed like a love and loyalty for me. So when this person left, like while they were planning there, this person like, what the hell? So this person leaves and that person was blowing me up. And I kept, man, what's the person one?

I already saw him. Like, so I wasn't answering the call. like man I re saw him what the hell's you want because if if me and you did work right and you picked up let's just say you picked up a pound every two days right and two you picked up the pound today and it's the next day and you're calling me I might be like what's not two days yet because we have a regular routine and when we meet up in person we already have like a set schedule set place to meet so on the the phone, we're not talking all that on the phone, you know. We're like, hey, same spot. Yeah, same spot. All right, cool. So then we meet up, you know?

So that's how it was. A lot of times you develop this habit of reading and knowing your routines. So that's one of the things. So that time I get to the location to meet up with this dude and this other person's blowing me up, but I keep ignoring the call. And I park. It's a neighborhood. It's an ugly neighborhood.

So I end up parking, right? Turn my lights off. Do you ever got on you? Yeah, I had a strap on me, but it's hidden. It's hidden because I'm not thinking anything, right? So I'm parked and then a cop passes by and I'm like, what the hell when it's dark? So I'm like, what the hell? What's it with that cop?

So the cop, I see that cop go to the end, bust the U-turn, come back and pull into an alley. And I'm like, I don't know, I'm gone. So I exit. I take off. I leave that neighborhood. I take off. And then eventually I get back home. And when I get home, I'm done for the day.

I'm done for the night. So I get home. The person's still blowing me up. And I answered like, man, what's up? Oh my God. You all right? Like, yeah. Why?

What's up? And I've been trying to get a hold of you. They were trying to set you up. And I'm like, what? Yeah. So it turns out when the cop was passing by, he saw two dudes walking as he's driving by. One of the guys had a strap on him.

So when he busted a U-turn and they went in the alley, the dudes were walking. So he passes by, he sees him walking, buses a U-turn. The cop is thinking they're just gang members. So he comes back, he's trying to ham him up. So when he comes back, they take off running. So he goes in the alley and they lose them.

They take off running, they lose them. So they don't make it to me. me. So once I seen that, I had no idea that that even had anything to do with anything I knew. So I just took off because the cop made me paranoid. Right? So do you think they were, they would have killed you? Yeah. So the plan was for the dude that just got out of prison. He was going to jump in the back seat and he was going to put the gun to my head and shoot me in the back of the head. That was the plan. So that, and then I heard it when when my boy called me and was like, hey, man, dude. Should have picked up.

So then later on, that's when I found out that the reason they didn't make it to me was because the cop. And the cop had seen them and they took off running. Wow. So, right. Yeah. I mean, you survived a lot. He made it a long time. So then why, if you knew that the feds were tailing you everywhere you went, why not just go back to Mexico?

I don't know. It was the feds. I thought it was because regular PD had raided my house. Right. And since they only found, like, supposedly paraphernalia and money, I thought it was then trying to circle back around and give me for more. So I thought it was regular PD because I had a private investigator on the team and I had a lawyer on the team. So I contacted the private investigator because, so I'm on probation and I had to report to probation, right? So I would go report to probation like regular.

And then so I show up, I park and I would empty out my pockets, put all my money away, take off my jewelry. put it away and I walk in I walk into probation and I'll be wearing like somebody's business shirt like I'll get like I'll buy like a Stanley Steamer somebody will give me like a like you know a restaurant business so I walk in and and I'll tell my P.O like man I'm struggling man I'm trying to look for a job I'm working right here but man I'm like it's bad right now like man it's hard out here and the whole time I didn't know but she knew that the feds were watching me. Wow. She was in cahoots with the feds, but I had no idea. So the whole time, I'm feeding her these sad stories in her head.

She's like, yeah, sure, buddy. This lying motherfucker. Right? So one day, this just relates to, in a way to how I started figuring that out, right? So one day I'm out with, like, friends during the day, one of my friends had a cat Cadillac also, right? And one time his Cadillac wouldn't start, right? So since it wouldn't start, one of my friends is like,

oh, these fucking GMCs, they have a problem where the starter gets stuck. And then eventually you got to replace it, right? So one of my friends went under the Cadillac with like a screwdriver or a hammer, and he found like the starter underneath. And he punched it. And then you hear like a click. You hear like a click. and it like gets stuck

and then when you hit it, it like goes up. You know, it's like a magnetic thing that it disconnects in a way, right? So then you could turn off. Then you can start the vehicle, right? So one time I'm in my garage, I had the Cadillac in the garage and I go to start it

and it's not starting. It's doing the same thing. Like, what the hell? So I remember my friends did. So I'm like, man, the same thing must be happening to me. So I remember I grabbed the hammer and I slid under the truck and I freaking found the starter and I hit it. I heard a click and I got out. And when I was sliding back out of the truck from underneath, I seen flashing lights underneath.

Right? So I remember getting up and I remember like, wait, what the hell was that? And I'm like, man, what the fuck? So I remember looking down because I'm like, I don't remember getting anything installed. Like, I don't remember getting an alarm installed or anything, right? So I go underneath. And I see a box like this big underneath my door, you know, and then I see a little box and I'm like, what the hell?

So I remember reaching and I'm like trying to pull it and then I pull it. And I grab it and it's a box about this big with four magnets on it. And I opened the box and it's a device with two wires and a battery pack. And the device is flashing. And I'm like, and I remember I went inside the house and I showed, you know, I showed the people inside the house like, look what I just fucking found. What is this? Like, what the fuck?

So I disconnected. it, I put it back under the truck, and I drive somewhere else. I drive to an apartment, and I jump in a different vehicle. Right? So I jump in a different vehicle, and then I go home in a different vehicle. Right. So the next morning, my probation officer shows up to my house and is knocking. And I finally opened it.

I was trying to, I was trying not to open. I opened it and my P.O.'s like, she was being a bitch. Like she was like she shows up with a partner and they're like, oh, probation search, whatever. It's like, all right, whatever, you know, and it's like, what are you up to? Oh, I'm about to go to work. You know, I just woke up. Like, oh, okay. So she goes in the garage and she comes back in the house and she goes, hey, who's, who's Beamer is at?

And I was like, oh, that's my friend's. That's my friend's Beamer. And she was like, why do you have it? And I said, ah, because me and my friends, sometimes we switch cars around. Like, we switch cars. I'll let them borrow mine.

He lets me borrow his. And, you know, we just do that. We're good friends. And she's like, okay, well, it turns out that the feds contacted her and said, hey, can you do a probation church and look for this tracking device? Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Right? So she goes and she reports back like, hey, the Cadillac ain't here. So she asked me like, where's your truck at? And I was like, my friend has it. Like, where? Like, oh, my friend, you know, lives in Anaheim.

Oh, okay. What's your friend do? Oh, my friend works. That's why he has a nice car, you know? Oh, okay. So then days go by and I show up to probation for a random, I mean, a regular, regular scheduled appointment. So I show up to probation and it's a day after Father's Day.

they after Father's Day 2013, right? So Father's Day got drunk and, you know, so the next day I had a report to probation. I show up and I'm waiting in the lobby. Everybody's getting called but me.

And I'm like, man, what's going on? You know, what's going on? So, rewind a little bit, the private investigator I told you I had on the team. I showed him the device.

He took pictures of it and everything. And then he called me back and was like, hey, I don't know who this is. I can't figure out who it is by the numbers like he's like I can't figure it out he's like just don't have nothing on you he's like just don't write dirty you're good well it's probably sheriffs or probably regular PD

he's like don't um just don't write dirty like don't trip i don't he's like yeah just just keep your hands clean and and this will go eventually it'll go away like all right cool so then you know I go fast forward now I go to probation I check in and finally I go into the office And I'm sitting across from my PO. And my PO says, where you've been staying at? And I said, what do you mean? And she goes, yeah, where you've been staying at? And now I'm paranoid, so I'm not staying at home.

Right? So I'm going home for a couple hours, but I'm leaving. I'm staying at an apartment somewhere. I'm staying somewhere. I had friends in Alaska that were like, hey, come over here. Come over here. And like, I can't need my kids. So I had that mentality too.

Yeah, it's like your uncle. I can't leave my kids. So I had the opportunity to leave to Mexico and take my kids and my wife with me. But I was like, I can't do that to my kids. My kids are American. They're American-nice. They're like, my kids ain't, I can't do that to them.

Like, they're from here. Like, I know I was born here, but I have more ties to over there. I can go over there and live. They can't. Like, I can't do that to my kids. So, nah, I can't, I can't leave them. And then a friend, like just friends from different places,

hey, come over here. And I'll be like, bro, you got like 10 kids. How am I going to wake up to your 10 kids? And I got my own kids at home. Like, and I'm on the run. Like, no, like, I can't do that to my kids. So that's why I stuck around. That's why I was like.

And then I was like, man, this regular PD. I got the money to fight them. It ain't nothing. You know, they can't beat me. Because to this point, you know, they couldn't. regular PD, they got to get the feds involved. But I didn't think I was on the feds radar, to be honest. I was like, because as well as I was doing and as much as I was moving,

I still didn't think I was on a level of somebody else. You know, I didn't consider myself to be on a crazy ton, a month type level, you know? I always looked at it like, I didn't know the guidelines. You know, you don't know none of that. You don't realize how big you are until you're sitting in the feds. And this dude's doing the same amount of time for like a pound. And you're like, wow. Yeah.

I was really moving federal, we used to say. So I'm in the probation. And now she's like, where you've been staying at? And, you know, I wasn't staying at home because I was paranoid. And I'm like, oh, I'm staying at home. But the feds knew when they had told her, like, he's not staying at home. So he asked them, you know. So I'm like, oh, I don't know.

So while they have me in probation, everybody, all the houses are getting rae. The apartment is getting rated. The apartment is getting rated. Our home is getting rated. My mom's home is getting rated. My friend's house and freaking Paramount is getting rated. Like people that I just visited that have nothing to do with the game or nothing.

Just regular people, they're getting rated. A mechanic shop that I took my, that I took a vehicle to get work on is getting rated. Like just places that I just, if, if, Maybe I knew the mechanic and I just pop up on him and like, hey, what's up? We drink a soda and, you know, he'll check out my engine or check out something, a fuse or something. And just because I was there and I was drinking a soda outside and I've known him since I was a kid, he got raided. Right?

So they, I'm sitting down. I'm not knowing none of this is going on. So finally my P.O. says, all right, wait up. So she walks out, but she's been telling me. me for like a hour. You know, I could violate you for not staying at home. Like, you know, what you've been staying at? Like, you're doing all this wrong.

And I'm like, you know, I'm not, I'm not really, I'm just thinking she's just being mean to me, right? I'm just like, damn, she's got it out for me, right? I'm thinking she's just, I'm thinking now she's just mad because this whole time I've been trying to tell her that I'm broke and I'm looking for a job and I'm struggling. Right? But she's seeing flashy cars. The first time she saw me in my Cadillac, I was like, fucking idiot. Why didn't I park down the street?

You know, like, it was, now I'm thinking like she's just mad at me because now it's in her face. Right? So she walks out and then these two guys walk in, right? And one of them says, hey, you're under arrest. And I remember I look at them and I'm like, all right. And I think, well, I thought they were sheriffs, or I thought they were like probation or sheriffs, right? So I was like, all right, whatever, you know, a little violation. I'll be out in a couple days, you know, because that's how way probation is.

Counties, you know, it's too populated anyways, too crowded, you know? So I'm like, okay. So I'm like, all right, whatever. So I'm like, fuck it, let's go. And one of them says, do you know who we are? and that like the way that sounded it just sounded so

crazy to me that I was like wait what and I looked and I saw the badge and I looked closer and I said drug DEA drug administration

and I was like drug enforcement administration and I remember I looked and I was like and my stomach just started hurting bro like like my stomach just started hurting bro like like my stomach

Let me just went like, if I just got, like, punch, like my wind got knocked out. I just went, oh, damn. And I remember when like this, I was like, what the fuck? I remember like, look, like, just like, what the fuck? And then one of them goes and sits in front of across from me and he goes, man, you're looking at about 20 years, buddy. And I look, I remember I look at him. And I said, 20 years. I said, well, let's get going.

Because the quicker you booked me, the quicker I go home. And he goes, oh, really? Is that what you drug dealers look forward to? Prison? And I go, nah, I'm like, that's not what we look forward to. I mean, I'm not a drug dealer. I'm not doing nothing. And he goes, oh, you're doing something.

And I was like, no, I'm really not. Because I wasn't doing nothing. You know, I was, I really wasn't. For months, for months, I'm just collecting money. but low key, like I'm collecting. If, if I'm old five grand, I'm using somebody to get that money for me, I'm getting $2,500 now because I'm looking out.

So, so what do they come up with in all those raids? They come up with, um, 320 grand at the apartment and no dope. They don't come up with no dope. They didn't hit any offices. No weapon. Remember it was, it was, it was driving. All right. So there was a drought going on.

So they didn't, only money, only money, different places, only money, but that, you know, about 320 grand that, you know, that that really hurt. You know, and then they, you know, they take your jewelry, you know, watches, chains. But what evidence do they have? The pound, the one pound of sample. Right. The one sample pound, over 50 grams. So one pound sample is what got me.

Damn. So the Hawaii, I had, there was one day, a couple days prior to me getting busted, I had the 10 pounds, right? So the Hawaiian made a mistake and I realized that he was trying to set me up. So when we had met up, okay, like there was a time we met up at Shakey's Pizza, right? and we're sitting across from each other. And he's asking me questions that we've already discussed. So I remember it was like a movie where I'm picturing myself, reaching over the table and filling his chest for like a wire.

But in my head, I was like, nah. If I wouldn't do that to somebody, somebody won't do that to me. That was my mentality, right? So I remember thinking that. And I remember thinking if he went to the bathroom to follow him and make him take off his shirt. But at the same time, I convinced myself that I was tripping. Right. So he's asking me all kinds of questions that he already knew.

So he's trying to ask me like the exact details of the apartment where we're going to meet up when he picks up the 10 pounds. So and it was going to be once a month. So now he wants, he wants me to give him the details again that we already discussed. in a prior meeting, right? So now he wants like the details again and I'm like, I'm looking and I'm like, bro, what the hell? Why is he asking like, why is this dude asking me

these same questions again, like all over again? And when I got my discovery, I realized he was wired and I wasn't tripping, right? It was, it was real. So now- Did they have you talking over the wire? There's all these discoveries. And then there was phone calls

that when he called me. Because when he would call me on the recording, he would say, I'm calling so-and-so. You know, for example, I'm calling 48. It's 3.15. I'm calling 48 right now. We're going to discuss the next load. Right?

So he'll call me. And then there was like a phone call where I was so mad at myself because he calls me and he brings up my pops. And he's like, hey, what's up? how's your pops? Oh, man, he's doing good. Oh, man, tell him, I said, what's up? All right, I got you.

I'll tell him. Hey, hey, man, with all that stuff going on over there right now, how is he, how is he okay? Is he good? Like, yeah, man, he's good. Like, well, how, bro, there's all these problems going on over there. Like, how is he safe? Like, man, bro, my pops knows all kinds of people, bro.

Come on, all these years in the game, dog. Like, you think he knows people, bro. He's good over there. Don't trip. In the politics. he's good bro don't trip so when I got my discovery and I heard that I was like what an idiot so the main thing was you did you ever actually sell him the 10 pounds no no so wow so he was he kept bugging me for the 10 pounds right so since there was a drought there was one day where without me knowing I created a beef between me and another crew out of Anaheim right well that crew was from like a different city, but I created a beef because I hit up a dude that I knew that I used to do business with. I hit him up and I said, hey, bro, we met up at Starbucks and I told him,

hey, bro, can you give me 10 pounds? I can't get him right now. I'm not working here yet. And he goes, yeah, I got you. When you need him? I need him tomorrow. And he was like, all right, I got you. So that tomorrow came and then the Hawaiian said something funny on the phone. So I was like, yeah, I don't like this. Like, you know, Oh, never mind, bro. Like, I'll hit you back. And then I called, I called up my friend. And I said, hey, bro, like, I'm not going to be able to.

And they're like, well, what you mean, dog? I really got him. I'm already in Anaheim. Like, what's up? And I'm like, hey, bro, I can't right now. Like, bro, I can't meet up with you right now. Like, trust me, because now I know I'm being, you know, I thought, because there was days where I'm driving around or doing my day.

And then I don't notice anybody on me or anything. any of that. And then I might go to the store, come out the store, and then next thing you know, they're on me. And I'm like, what the, where they come from? You know? So, so they really only had a pound. Yeah. And you talking about conspiracy, basically. Conspiracy to sell 10 pounds. Yeah. And some money. Yep. You know, and, and just circumstantial, again, conspiracy. Yeah. Talking about Mexico. I mean, it's obvious. Yeah. But it's not, you know, The feds can do whatever the fuck they want, though. Whatever they want.

So. Yeah. Yeah. So it's not like a preponderance of evidence. Yeah. So they didn't give me with the 10, right? Yeah. So the fact that there was a drought going and the fact that, so the last day that I was going to meet up, the last time I was going to meet up with the Hawaiian where I had the 10 pounds at the apartment.

Right. I'm sitting in the apartment. So the Hawaiian had told me that his boys flew in from Hawaii, that they would get up. a nice suite somewhere, nice hotel room somewhere, and they would give him the money, they would give him the money, and he would go get the work for them, bring it back to them, get his money, and then they would leave, right? So that's what he had told me. So the day I have the 10 pounds sitting in the apartment, I'm talking to him, and he tells me, hey, bro, can you bring them to Motel 6

and I'm like I'm dealing with ballers bro ain't no baller at a motel 6 bro I'm like what so like that that like it it rang off

something in my head right so I'm like so I tell them hey bro I thought you said they get a fancy hotel by Disneyland and he says nah well everything's booked right now

They went to a hotel that they usually stay at, but everything's booked, and they send them to Motel 6. And I'm like, I'm like, bro, there is no way, for example, that a Hilton is going to send you to a Motel 6, bro. There is absolutely no way. Like, you know how many people came from out of town that I had to book rooms for in my time? and every hotel by Disneyland from the nicest to the ugliest I've been to them bro

like we you know me and the boys we've been to them like whether we had work there meet somebody there like or somebody just got a room for a week there to move some work out of you know I've been to all of them bro I'm from Anaheim so all the hotels by Disneyland I know and I know for a fact

because it's happened where I got to a hotel try to book it for somebody they're like oh we're all booked, but you can go to the Hyatt, you know, or you can go over there. But they never, ever send you to a Motel 6. So I said, bro, what are you saying right now? I said, there is no way one of those hotels is going to send you to a Motel 6. And he goes, oh, well, that's what they found. And can you bring it over here?

I said, no, absolutely not, bro. I'm not going to no Motel 6. And he goes, oh, come on, bro. Like, it's all good. And I said, nah. I said, why don't you come over here and bring the money with you like you said that they gave you the money, right? What happened? And he goes, oh, it's because recently they got robbed.

So now they don't give the money up front no more like that. Now they want to just deal direct. And I'm like, nah, bro. I'm like, I'm not doing all that. I said, as a matter of fact, what motel six you at? And they tell me. Well, he tells me. And I said, what the hell?

I said, hey, I said, okay, let's do it like this. I'll say, I'll take you one at a time. That's the same thing, but I didn't know, you know. I said, I'll take you one at a time. He goes, nah, bro, it's got to be all at once, all this movement. And I'm like, nah, then you come over here and pick him up. And he goes, where is it at again? And I'm like, bro, I already told you where it's at.

Like, what do you mean? Right? And he goes, nah, well, remind me again. where it's at? And I'm like, damn, this dude, I'm thinking like, yeah, something's up. Like, now I'm like, full-blown thinking something's up. Like, man, something's up with this dude. So I'm like, you know what? Let me call you back. So I hang up, right? And I tell my friend that was there with me, I said, hey, fool, let me, I'm going to walk outside real quick. I'll be back. He's like, all right. So I walk outside and I'm like kind of low key, you know, and I,

I walk outside and I walk, walk, walk, walk to the front of the apartments where there's the avenue. Because these apartments were like in a dead end. So I walked to the avenue and then I see the white Dodge truck across the street trying to park somewhere. And then it ends up and it parks in a red zone. So I'm like, why is the truck going to park in a red zone in the avenue? That makes no sense. So I realized that was a truck that had been following me. Right?

So I'm walking back in. And when I'm walking back in, I look over a wall on the side of the apartments. I look over a wall. And then I see, if I remember correctly, it was a charger, the expedition that I saw also parking. And I'm like, oh, hell no. So I walk in and I tell my friend, hey, I said, this is it. What's the setup? And he goes, what?

And I go, yeah, they were trying to set me up. That dude's trying to set me up. I said everything he was saying. I said, remember, I told you everything that he's been saying has just been sounding like really weird, really iffy? Like, bro, like, because in reality, we're drug dealers. We don't talk like drug dealers on the phone. We don't talk like that on the phone. So there's stuff that he was saying that was throwing me off.

So that day, when I seen those vehicles, I'm like, oh, hell no. So they know where this apartment is at. Bam. So I grab my vehicle and I leave. I leave. They follow me and I jump in the freeway. I cut through traffic. I jump in the freeway and I lose them for the whole weekend.

So I lose them for the weekend. I think Father's Day was like on Sunday and I had to report like on Monday. And that's when they hit all the houses. So that's when they hit all the houses. And that was a wired call. They were listening into that. Yeah. So did they use that against you?

They tried. They tried, but they, because the fact that I signed right away, because when I got busted and I got taken into custody and then I remember, my attorney, I said to my attorney, how soon can you get me to prison? And my attorney was like, oh, probably six months. I said, bring me my deal. I want to sign because I knew I was busted because it's the feds. And now they told me that they got me.

They want to give me 20 years. But I thought it was a bluff. So now I'm like, 20 years, man, come on. Cut it out. And your charges are what exactly? distribution over 50 grams of 50 grams of met

yeah I showed you the thing no yeah I forgot but yes you sent me your paperwork yeah it was

distribution is it yeah distribution of over 50 grams of of patrol substance and it was a meth the pound

the one pound as a sample right yeah okay so I guess that's true they can the scale of it

is they could probably I'm sure they can give you 20 years for that. They could, yeah. You know, in theory. So, um, right. But they didn't get you on the 10 pounds. No, they didn't give me a lot. And you didn't have any priors. Nope. I had one prior, but it wasn't nothing big or nothing. Yeah. Yeah. So it wasn't, so I signed 12 and a half.

I signed 12 and a half. And when I was fighting my case, I was going to get sentenced. And they changed the two point law. You've been to the feds? No. They changed the two point law. I think, I think it was Obama that came in and changed. Right. I knew they had reduced the crack. So they had reduced it. Yeah. So I felt I got the two points.

So they postponed my court date. They postponed it in order for me to get those two points, two point reduction. So when I went back to court, the judge that I had had it out for me. And he chewed me out right then in court. And he was like, look, he said, I know this is your career. he said only because I'm a man of the law. He said, I'm a man of honor. He said, I don't give you what they're recommending.

He said, and because that law passed, he said, I'm going to give you 10 years. He said, that's enough time. He said, for you to think about what you've been doing, he said, but if it was up to me, I would give you more. He said, you wouldn't. They're trying to give you 20? He said, if it was up to him, he'd give me 50. 15. He said if it was up to him, he would have gave me 15. But since he was a man of honor,

he was going to give me the 10. But I signed 12 and a half. So when I signed the 12 and a half, because when my P. My attorney brought me the time. I, you know, I was there like looking at it like, what the hell? Like, fuck. And I was like 12 years, 12 and a half? Like, seriously? Like, what the hell. And she was like, look, they already said, if you don't sign this, your next deal is 15. I don't get it, though. They reduced the points on it. So. But I couldn't go under 10 years. So when they reduced the- Oh, it gives the judge leeway to give you a less time. The less time. Right. But he can give you up to my max. He can give me up to my mac. He'd give me life if you want. Right. You know, because my case carried, I think, five to life. I think that's what it

or tend to life, something like that. But since I signed right away and I didn't give them no bullshit, I signed right away because that's why I told my attorney, how soon can you give me a prison? It's about six months. I said, bring me my deal. But the first deal was 12 years, 12 years and some change. And I'm like, what the hell?

It took like two hours for me looking at the paper and then finally signing it. And then by that time, somebody that would visit me here and there said, day, your pop said that he's going to send another lawyer. I said, there's no need. I resigned. Wait, what you signed? I signed 12 years. What?

12 years? Like, yeah, this is what it is. Like, fuck it. I'm not trying to make it into. You couldn't bail out? Oh, no, because you were on probation. I could bail out, though. Why didn't it?

They revoked it. They revoked it. They planned it because I had my wife and my mom. that were signing for me for my bail. And they took so long to get in, they took like, I don't know, 60 days or something to get the court hearing and get the hearing, everything, right? And by the time I went, the feds had a,

the district attorney, she had a, she already had a whole game plan. So when I went and in front of the magistrate, she was like, Your Honor, keep in mind that his mom knows about his lifestyle from his whole life. Keep in mind that his wife lied to the police before in the past. You know, keep in mind they know his life. Like, they know everything about him. Like, you're letting them, you're letting them sign for him.

And he was like, and then they brought up like juvenile, like a juvenile case, you know, when I was, a kid. I didn't even know they could bring that up, but they brought up a juvenile case. They brought up, you know, driving on suspended, you know, just a bunch of little stuff. Because I would go to county. I would go to county on driving on suspended. But never nothing big. I went one time I went to county for six months for a firearm, but they dropped it to receiving stolen property. So it wasn't a firearm. But in the feds, it was a firearm. You know, so they brought it up. And they said, They denied you bail.

He denied you bail. He denied me bail. Oh, so you couldn't bail out. Yeah. So, okay. Do you think you were a ran? Yeah. Really?

Yeah, facing 12 years, you would have gone and... Yeah, I would have ran. And so I'm glad and I thank God that they didn't give me bell. That didn't let me. Because the judge, he said that he was willing to give me bell. He was willing to give me bell. He said that he thought that... he said he thought that I would get out and do good.

That's what he said. He's like, oh, I think you go out and do good. But he just didn't. When he didn't, he was like, the bad overweighs the good. It's interesting that you chose not to flee before you got arrested, but then I guess you didn't know you would be facing that much time. and I didn't know it was a feds. Man, that's crazy.

I guess this was before social media, really. It was. Instagram was barely. Like, if you would talk to me, a square white guy, I'd be like, you're selling how much? It doesn't matter if they don't have shit on you. These are feds, bro. And if they catch you, if the states catch you, they'll just give it to the feds. The feds could get, I mean, and you're Mexican.

Like, they know. They don't know, but they know. I just didn't. Yeah. I didn't think they had an idea. And if they hadn't spent all those resources, like just following you around for six months, they probably spent seven figures.

Yeah. You know what I mean? So it's like they want their return on investment. Yeah. So the only person they wanted on my case was my pops. That's what they asked me for. Yeah, I was going to ask. Okay, yeah.

So when they arrested me in the probation office, you know, the dudes, one of the feds, He's, you know, we're going back and forth. And he's telling me, you're looking at 20. And I'm like, man, yeah, whatever, you know, 20 for what? You know, I'm not doing nothing. Because I'm not connecting that pound to them. Yeah.

I'm not connecting it to them. I'm just, I'm thinking they just had me on the radar for whatever reason. I'm not even realizing that, you know, they're not telling me yet what's really going on, but they're telling me I'm doing a lot. So I'm thinking it's just a thing that eventually caught up to me, right? So I'm thinking like everything all together, my whole career has finally come to an end. Right. They finally got whatever they have to get me.

Right. So, but I'm not, I'm still not connecting this to the Hawaiian. I'm still being like naive in a way to the Hawaiian, right? I'm still not really catching on. So when he says, well, you know, if you give us something, we'll let you go. And I was like, give you something. What do you mean? and that dude was like, well, you know, give us your pops.

And I looked at him and I was like, my pops, what do you mean my pops? And he was like, yeah, give us your pops, give us his people, we'll let you go. And I was like, my pops, I'm like, yeah, I don't know what you're talking about. And they're like, you know what we're talking about. Your pops is your boss. Give them up. And I'm like, my pops ain't even. here. Like, we know.

But we're sure he we're sure he has people here. Give us your pops. Give us his people. And I was like, yeah, I can't. Like, I don't know what you guys think, but yeah, I can't. I'm like, I can't. And he was, oh, you think you're a gangster. And I was like, nah, I don't think I'm a gangster, but

you're asking me for stuff that I don't know nothing about. Oh, we know. Like, oh, we know. And like, yeah, I don't know. Like, yeah. At that point, you're not asking me for a friend. You're not asking me for, you know. And they don't have any, they didn't have any wiretaps of you talking to your dad? No, no, no wiretaps.

Because you kept the phone separate, obviously. You wouldn't talk to your dad on the same phone. No, you talked to the customer on. There was only one phone that I would talk to my pop son. And then all my other phones were with customers. Yeah. So even the Hawaiian, I didn't talk. There was only, I only used one phone for Mexico.

That's it. Yeah. So, I mean, they can't do anything. Even if you gave him your pops, they couldn't, you know, unless they have, unless you're big enough to where the DEA can call. Yeah. The CIA, the people they have working illegally in Mexico. Yeah.

They can't really, I mean, they can't really do anything. So they wanted to take down his crew. His crew. But he didn't, they didn't, I mean, they kind of had an idea, but I was. the crew. You were the crew. I was the crew. You are your pops, essentially. Yeah, but since there was a drought going on, it was dry. Nobody was working. Nobody was really working. So at the end of the day, nobody else went down. Nobody else went down. Wow. Just me. Just me on my case. Just me on my case. Because for like six months, I'm staying away from everybody. Yeah. You know, I'm seeing people still,

but we're not hanging out. We're not talking to each other. So how did your pops feel? about you signing. And, I mean, he could have kept working. Yeah. Because everything was in place. He told me he cried. He told me he cried. And he felt horrible.

He said he felt like, he felt like, you know, something inside of him died. And he said, like, he thought about it. And the best thing for him to do was to, because he got calls from other people like, hey, you know, we're here if you need us, stuff like that. But he said, he cried. He's like, I cry. and he's like, I just figured out how to just retire, how to get out the game. You told me off camera, but this was interesting.

Can you talk about what he did? Yeah, so at the time, the biggest in Halisco, I'm sure people know who it is. My pops had to give him, he gave him a Cadillac escalate, he gave him a Chrysler 300, and it gave him like 200, like 200. hundred grand and told him that that was all he had and that was that was it like he was out the game and why why did he do that your dad was independent supposedly so why why does he have to

get permission to stop drug trafficking it was a sign of respect it's a sign of respect like here because he's working independent but you still got to look out for people yeah you still got to pay. You still got to pay quotas. You still got to pay PASA. Right. You know, because they know you're doing it. Right. They let you be independent, but the moment you stop paying, your little monthly bill or whatever, then they're coming after you. Right. So no one's really independent at that level. Not really. You're still paying a tax. You're still, you're paying a tax. You're definitely paying attacks. Yeah. Yeah. Because if you're not and they find out, you're, you're done. Yeah. Like, there's no, there's no way around this. And also that makes sense. So that's, so we kind of just

answer the question, what are cartels? They're extortion organizations. At the end of the day. Yeah, basically. And you can either work for me and get all this protection, or you can be independent, but you're going to pay me for protection. You're going to pay me for protection. Or you're going to die. To use our routes.

Right. You know, to, you know, just the mainly protection. Yeah. Yeah, so that's how it was. For him, he paid, he paid maybe what he was going to pay in a matter of a few months altogether. And was like, you know, I'm out.

Sign of respect. Like, I'm not ratting on you guys. I'm not beefing with you guys. And they asked them why, and he told them, well, my son, my son went down. That was my only way of moving stuff over there. Right. He went down and I can't mess around no more.

I don't have nobody else. And that was it. The dude that he had to give up that too, he did ask him, like, are you sure you're not working with somebody else? And he was like, nah, I'm done. He was like, are you sure? Because if I find out you're working with somebody else, we're going to have problems.

Like, now, I'm done completely. Like, I'm done. And that's the reason why I'm able to even give an interview, you know, or be on a podcast because everything has already been washed up and cleaned up. And everything is legit now. Ain't nobody, like, I don't even have a foot or anything in that life anymore where, you know, it's just all legit now, everything, everybody that. was in the game

now is either dead, prison, or just ended up in Mexico, you know, and just chilling. Everybody's, you know. Yeah, yeah. So yeah,

your dad is, your dad's retired. You've been retired ever since? Retired, yeah. Loving his life, I'm sure, in Guadalara. Loving his life, yeah. Yeah, that's cool.

But he can't come back. He's still got a warrant out technically. Yeah, he still got a warrant for real. So then did, has any of your family moved back since then to be with him? or does he have like a whole other family down there? No, he's by himself.

I mean, he just has friends. There's family over there, but not like immediate family. Okay. But he has like cousins and stuff like that, but not no kids or nothing there. We don't have like a girlfriend here and there. So all your siblings are still stayed in Cal. Everybody's here.

Everybody's here. That's what's up. Yeah. So yeah, and then you came home. You did like 12, no, how much you did like seven you said? Seven. Seven out of ten. Yeah.

Think about the lifetime. though, as I was telling you, it's like, I don't know, if I'm looking at the scoreboard, like, you know, you got away with it, in my opinion. If you only had to do seven off of, you know, you're moving thousands of kilos

of coke and meth. I mean, you could have been doing life. Yeah, could have. Easily. Yeah. But the judge, when he sentenced me, the judge did say, if I see you in my courtroom again, you're not walking out with less than 20. And I was like,

Okay. And that's what changed my life right then and then. Because I was still, I still had a mentality of me where I did want to end up in Mexico and just shipping work. I just wanted to be over there and be a kingpin and just have a cruel. Right. That's how that was my life. That's really what I wanted to do. So your partner, the guy, your right-hand man, did he, he didn't get arrested? No, he didn't get arrested. Did he stay in the game? No, he ended up becoming a tattoo artist. Okay. So early on when I was being watched and I started telling everybody, hey, you know, and once I told him, since he was already like a type of dude that gets spooked. Scary. Yeah, on the slightest thing, he was like, I'm gone.

So he used up his money and opened up a tattoo shop at that time. And he just left. Awesome. So that's the reason. that's the reason why I got busted seeing the Hawaiian instead of his

Because you didn't have a buffer You didn't have a middleman Because now I didn't have a middleman And I didn't have a right hand no more Because I basically kind of fired him Because we got into it And he wasn't doing nothing He was like

I was telling him like Bro they're like I'm being watched Like you're over there in a whole different city, you're like, in a whole different county, you're, you're communicating direct. Because he was communicating direct with my pops.

And then, you know, I'm out the picture, but now I had to step in because he's not doing it because I did get a call from my pops. Like, hey, well, so what this dude? He's not answering. He's got all his work that he hasn't moved. So when I got in contact with him, like, hey, what's up? We met up and I'm like, hey, what's up?

You got all this. how many you got? And he told me he still had a bunch of work and I was like, bro, what's up? And he looked me in my eyes and was like, well, if you want to move him,

why don't you move him? And I was like, all right, give me all of it. So I gathered every. And that was it. And that was it. Once I got rid of that,

then there was a drought and then the Hawaii. But that's how he left again. That's how he left because we kind of got into it. We got into it a little bit and he left. He left.

So there was nothing on him, nothing. And that was just all me, you know? So that's lucky, you know, that's, um, but when I got busted, so I get busted my first couple days, my first day probably in the feds, I'm, I'm having breakfast and a dude comes up to me and he goes, hey, what's up, 48? And I'm like, I look. And I'm like, it took me like a few seconds to recognize them.

But it was a dude that used to ship from me, for me. that the Hawaiian gave up, right? So I didn't even know he was busted. So now I go, what are you doing here? And he goes, your boy gave me up. And I'm like, I looked at him and I'm like, what do you mean my boy gave you up? And he's like, yeah, the Hawaiian gave me up.

And I said, what? And he goes, yeah, your boy gave me up. And I said, nah, bro, you gave yourself up. And he goes, what do you mean? And I said, bro, what the how are you doing? What were you doing doing business with him behind my back? Yeah. Because the Hawaiian went to the shop and sweet talked them and got that dude to ship something for him.

Oh, right. He was already working for the friends. But I had no idea. Because when I went to go look for him, nobody could tell me where he was at. Right? I was in contact with the Hawaiian, but that shipping guy, I didn't know what happened to him.

So I run into him in the feds, and I tell him, my, bro, you gave yourself up. And he's like, nah, bro. And I said, how long have you been here? And he's like a couple months. And I said, let me get this straight, bro. You've been in here a few months

and you never thought about calling your compadre. That's my, also my friend. You never thought about calling your boy and letting them know to let me know that the Hawaiian gave you up like, dude, you're a piece of shit. And he was like, I didn't think of it. I'd just been in here stressing.

I'm like, you gave yourself up, bro. So he probably, that dude probably put away a lot of guys. Yeah, he put away a lot of guys. Yeah, yeah. We worked it off, man. Yeah. Well, where can the people find you, dude? This was the longest episode we've done maybe in the history of the show.

Really? Yeah, but I enjoyed it. I enjoyed every minute of it. Yeah. Man. Yeah. 48 ways. 48 ways on all platforms.

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48 ways. Yeah, you rap. Which is something we didn't even talk about. I'm into music. You're into music. Since you were a kid, you've been in music. And then when I came home, coincidentally, while I was away in the feds, one of my good friends started a spats.

a Spanish record label and by the time I came home he was already a Grammy Award winning CEO of a Spanish music label so when I came home he got me

on the label as an artist manager so I signed some artists in the past since I've been home I've been home six years so I've managed some artists I've been in the studio with Pesso Pluma before he was even Pesopold

I don't know if you know who Peson-Crumas. I was in the studio with him before he was, I mean, he was just a kid in the studio. Yeah. Nobody knew. So he was in the, he was in the, in Anaheim, Pesso Pluma blew up out of Anaheim, Braheen Records. And then my good friend's record labels called Afinartee and he has big, big artists. They're Grammy, he's got Grammys, he's got a couple Grammys as a CEO of a label. So when I came home, I started working with all artist and, you know, doing the music thing.

And then I left that label and I've been just trying to work. I've been trying to do hip hop because that's all Spanish. So I've been trying to do hip hop with like younger, younger kids. Right now I'm working with some younger kids trying to develop some artists. See, see where it takes me. See where it takes me. Trying to use the same strategy my friend used. Hopefully I can make it because he made it like.

Yeah. He's big time. Like he's like King Kong of Spanish music, bro. and just, you know. The Spanish rap is tight as fuck. Yeah. I mean, I don't really know what the fuck they're saying, but we enjoy it.

I got a Spanish rapper. He's from Mexico. He don't know English, and he's a vicious-ass Spanish rapper. Yeah, no, you guys are rap. I've heard some of it, and it's just like, it's on par,

the bars are on par with, like, what you hear in the States. Well, you know who Santa Feclan is? Santa Feclan is like the biggest Mexican rapper. Yes, I do. Sorry, I take it back. I remember that guy. He's like the biggest in the world, right?

Mexican rapper. I take pride in saying that I'm probably the first homie, you know, because I run homie. You know, I'm a homie. I'm a, you know, a south sideer, Serenia, whatever. People want to call it, right? So, but I'm a homie. That's how, you know, when we go to county, like, who you're wrong with? Wood, you know, Paisa, homie.

Oh, I'm a homie. Okay. So I'm like probably the first one that he that was around Santa Fe Clan here because he did a show in Sanana one time and I went through the label representing the label I went and I interacted with him and I was doing a I did a project with him and I was trying to get him to do a project with my artist, my Spanish rapper. So I met Santa Fe Clan and, you know, we hit it off. But I showed up. I was there as, you could say, like, I was like in character as of somebody from the label, a manager from the label. If I would have known that he was like so into like the Chicano culture,

the gang lifestyle from like California, I would have showed up and acted. They're acting more of myself instead of being like professional where I was representing a label where you have to, you know, you can't. Because like my friend told me like, hey, bro, like you can't come across as like a gang member because people are going to be afraid of you. And you're dealing with like sex. You're dealing with music people that are someone like most of them are just squares.

Like if you, if somebody pisses you off, you can't threaten them. You know, so I had to learn. that, you know, where, okay, like, I met a producer that he was like, oh, I'm from Orange County. And I was like, oh, yeah, you're from Orange County. We'll park. I'm like, oh, you know, he tells me he's from like Huntington Beach. And I'm like, oh, all right, bro. Like, man, all right.

Nice to meet you, dog. I'm from Anaheim. Whenever you're in Anaheim, I got you. And he was like, man, what you mean? I'm like, I'm a homie. And I looked at him like, it kind of, it was kind of offensive because I'm a homie, right? That's funny. So you guys turn out to both be Sorreños.

So we're, yeah, we're both homies. But he wasn't in the gang lifestyle like that, right? Because he's been in the music industry forever. So he's just a successful producer. He produced Puez Opluma's album, you know? And so, but when we met, it was one of those things. So later on, my friend had to tell me, like, hey, you can't push that on people in the music industry.

I'm going to be scared. Like, oh, shit, you're right. Yeah, we all remember Shug Night, dude. Yeah. Yeah. He was the last guy to really, really be gangster in the record offices, you know. Yeah. I remember who. We saw what happened when him.

Back in the days, when we were doing it, we ran into people from Dead World Records, and we had nicer rides than they did. For sure. They looked at us like, what the hell are these Mexicans? We met him in, I think it was Sloss and Swammer or something. I think we went to go by jewelry. and we met some dudes there from death row records and then one of them had a Lexus with a death row

has had like Deadroll records or something on the plates and then we we have one of the vehicles we had happened to be the same Lexus but we had my boy had at the time the spinners the real spinners like where they're spinning when the cars parked they're still spinning bro the whole day right and like

my boy had that. They had the same car, but my boy's car was way more nicer and flashier that they were like, man, what the hell? Who are these Mexicans? You know? And then when we go to clubs,

we run into rappers and stuff like that, and they'd be like, what the hell are these dudes that got freaking bottle service or VIP? But I come from my era where making the rain was a thing. When GZ came out with his music,

it was like, damn, he's talking about us. Because Benihana's too. us was a regular day, you know, going to Benihana's because some dudes come in from out of town. We take them to Benihana's to go eat and, you know, we treat everybody. It was like a regular Tuesday at 12 in the afternoon for us, you know, because it's a crew of like 15 guys and we're all the same lifestyle, you know, so it was a lot of fun. It was a lot of fun, but, you know, it comes with its problems.

Man. what a life dude go for go follow them 48 ways man this was a treat dude i'm glad you hit me up bro man i'm glad you responded people just hit me people ask how do i find these people i'm like sometimes will be on in my dms and just a random motherfucker will will say hey i got a story and sometimes i'm in a good mood i'm like what you got for me and i was like whoa i need to talk to you yeah so i'm glad you did hopefully we could go down and uh We're going to get your pops on the podcast, dude. We're going to convince him.

We'll convince him after this, you know. Yeah, I'll convince him and then fly out to Guadalajara. We'll take a trip to Guadalajara. I'm trying to buy some property down there. Are you? We're trying to be, we're trying to get out of town. All the properties are up for sale over there. Yeah, yeah, I'm sure they are.

I'm sure they are. After Mentjo got killed, a lot of stuff's going on the market. My pop's house is on the market. Yeah, it's on the market. So, yeah, there's some properties over there that. Definitely on the market. Does he miss the United States? Yeah.

He must, right? Yeah, he misses it. Yeah. He does. He didn't know. But not enough to do time. Not enough to do time. But like, remember I told you earlier that in that life, we never, we try to think, well, me personally, I always try to think positive, not negative.

So, you know, if there was a way where I could go back, I would have been prepared. You know, I would have been, I would have, you know, at the end, I would have been. a millionaire instead of just, you know, because I would have been more careful, more smart. You know, it's just... Do you regret not saying, hey, kids, you're going to be Mexicans now and bouncing? Do you regret not fleeing? No, because my kids are like American, you know, they're half white, and it would have just been wrong of me.

Looking at them now, it's like they're their own individuals. My daughter goes to high school. and she wants to go to college, and her mentality is just on another level when it comes to school. Yeah. So it's like I would have not been able to, you know. So you'd rather see them even in prison

than to be away from them in Mexico. Yeah. Yeah, because... It's been good of you. It would have been, I thought about it. I don't think I would have done that. I'm going to put it on wax and say, I don't think I'm as good as a person.

I'd be like, you guys can come visit me. Yeah, that could have happened. But I just wanted to have them in my life like all the time. Fair enough. And obviously when you're locked up, I didn't think I was going to do that long. You know,

I didn't think I was going to do that much time. And I didn't think it was the feds. You know, so all that. If I would have known it was the feds, then yeah, then I would have probably took off. And then maybe by now probably thought, like, man, let me go back and do my time. You know, because I've, I know people

that eventually came back after like 20 years. years, turned himself in and did time. And they usually, you usually don't do a lot of time. When all that time goes by, we just talked to a guy, a white guy, he was, he was hiding in Guadalara for 10 years. And by the time he got back, they were like, yeah, I don't know, we'll just give you like, I think he just got probation. Like when you, when all that, unless it's for a body or you're a high level target, if enough time goes by, they got other cases. Yeah, I'm like, they can't. Yeah. Yeah, I know one dude. We like to give people advice on this show. Yeah, there was one person that I know. I mean, there was multiple people, but there was

one person that I knew was on the run since the 90s. And he came back in like 2020 or something, and they ended up giving them like four years. Wow. And he was looking at like 20 back then. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. He was looking at it like a lot. But it was a whole crew that he went on, like he was part of a crew that they all went down. Right. One of them got in a shootout with the cops in L.A. and got killed. So there was like that where I seen that where after so many years, they come back and they do a little bit of time. After Trump leaves office, that's when your dad could come back.

Don't, don't. Oh, yeah. Now's not a good time. No, once Trump leaves office, yeah. Then we'll start, you know, talking. Because even before I got locked up, I used to tell my dad, like, I used to be like, hey, I'll pay for everything. Come back. I'll pay for everything.

I got you. Yeah. I'll treat you. And he'd be like, no, I'm good right now. And then there was even a, we had a plug one time where they were bringing in people on a boat to like, I think Long Beach from like T.J. Or Rosarito, something like that.

They were bringing them in the boat. And I offered them that. They offered me that. And I offered them at the time that, that ride was like 15 grand. And I was like, what's up? I'll pay for it. Come back. And it was like, nice.

I'm good right now. I'm not, you know, it's too risky. Like, come on, it's good. I got you. It's safe. I got you. It's a boat. It's safe.

It's a fisherman. It's safe. Like, nah, I'm good. I'm good. But I used to try to treat him. Yeah. I used to try to treat this ride. Yeah.

So now he's going to have to pay his ride later on. For sure. 10 years from now if he decides to come back. Yeah. It's going to be expensive. Yeah, it's going to be expensive. But, you know, when I had it, when I had it, He could have, you know, he could have taken my deal.

You know, he could have taken my offer, but. Yeah. You know, but I told them, I told them not too long ago because he was like, hey, don't, don't leave me over here by myself. Yeah. And I said, Dad, like, you got to, you know, do your part two. I'm like, you think I want you to die in Guadalajara? And I'm like, at least move down to T.J. I said, at least move down closer.

Yeah, move to Rosemary or something. Like, you're too far. Like, you're by yourself. And he looked at me, he's like, just don't leave me over here by myself. And I was like, you got to play, you got to do your part too, man. Like, yeah, we want you over there, but. As I say, old school Mexicans, stubborn. 48 ways. Thanks a lot, man. I appreciate you.

Hey, thank you for having me. Yeah, you have a good time? Yeah, yeah, good time. Awesome. Thanks, guys. We'll see you next week. Take care.