The Connect- with Johnny Mitchell - How A Puerto Rican Gangster TERRORIZED The New York Prison System: South Bronx Legend Reveals ALL

Episode Date: May 25, 2025

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It was dangerous to be in the street period. It was life and death. You got to be ready for whatever comes. I'm extorting people on my old building that I lived in. Somebody got stabbed and then I got caught with a weapon. So when he went to search me, I pushed the police and ran. Defense came and got me. I became Bronx most wanted.

Pick me up in the Bronx. They came with helicopters and old. This man, who goes by Pistol Pete, is the most famous Puerto Rican gangster in the history of New York City. He grew up in the South Bronx in the 1970s and 80s and significantly contributed to the already insane crime rates of the BX during that era. Pete is from a lost generation. By the time he was 12 years old, he and his buddies were operating shooting galleries for heroin junkies in abandoned buildings throughout the Bronx and got into more shootouts and robberies than he could count. By the time he started going to Rikers Island at 17 years old, he was a known menace. He slashed and assaulted so many inmates that the jail had to

set up a special high security visiting room just for him. He was also uncontrollable upstate, where he instigated prison riots and ran every cell block and jailhouse that they put him on. Pete began a movement throughout the New York prison system called K-A-R, or Kill All Rats, which is self-explanatory. Then in the early 2000s, fresh home from state prison, Pete began a multi-million dollar a month extortion ring in the South Bronx, where he and his crew collected money from every major drug dealer in the neighborhood. That's how fearsome his reputation was. At this same time, he began to hang out with rap star Fat Joe and the Terror Squad, who were raised in Pete's neighborhood in the South Bronx and were some of the biggest rap stars in the industry

during that era. Everyone loved Pete, except for the feds, of course. Pete eventually caught a racketeering case for all of the extortion he was doing and got sent to Lewisburg, where he finally began to behave himself. When he came home, he got back with the Terra Squad and began full-time work in the music business, creating a successful artist management company. Pete knows everyone in the rap and R&B game. It's wild. These days, he's getting paid to speak in jails and prisons around the country, helping mediate disputes between gangs and advocating for better conditions. He's even sat down with the mayor of New York, Eric Adams. Pete's journey is a testament to the human spirit and the ability of an individual to evolve and grow. Make sure to go check out his podcast,

Dog in the Yard, available every week wherever you get your podcasts. And for a bonus episode with Pete, hit that Patreon. Patreon.com slash The Connect Show. All right, you guys, you are going to love him as much as we did, I promise you that. A South Bronx Boricua legend, pistol Pete, right here on The Connect with Johnny Mitchell. I cut 19 people in Regas out. Is your disrespect, bet? I'm stabbing you too.

I'd kill you. I'd kill you. War encumber say, I'm sorry, Pete. You're going to the hole, buddy. People scare the death for you. He stabbed me by hair, and I got stabbed my back. And then that's when I started, kill all rats. And the fans, they really got me trapped because they punish you mentally.

Because when you're in jail, you don't have a voice. You lose your voice the minute you walk in there. I'm honored to sit down with you, man. You know, because I, Terror Squad, that would really put the Bronx on in terms of music. I know KRS 1 was obviously like the original. But I think there was a massive chunk of time where nobody was really breaking from the Bronx, especially Latin rappers. Well, that's for sure.

As far as Latin rappers, you know, Big Pund was the first guy that went double platinum, Latino rapper. Right. And then Joe didn't win platinum as well. Did you know pun? Yeah, of course. In the streets? Wow. Okay, what part of the Bronx are you from?

Me, I'm from Cyprus, 114th Street. Wow. Okay. And then Joe is from like Tremont Avenue. He's from Forest. Okay. And that's all part of the South Bronx. Yes.

What was the wildest part of the South Bronx back in the day? That's a tough question. I always see my neighborhood. I would say my neighborhood, but it was a lot of tough neighborhoods back in the days. You know, it was a lot of tough neighborhoods. It was a lot of people getting killed. There's a lot of similar shit that's happening now, but more structure.

Right, more drug money, I saw. Oh, big time. I mean, I used to be out. I was one of those that was out there. I didn't really usually sell too much drugs, but, you know, honestly. But I hung out with the guys that sell drugs that have been around it. And back of the days, it was like the lines was like mess hall lines. You know, we've ever been in jail, you know,

what I mean my mess hall line is, You know, like school lines. Cheese lines. Yeah, big old lines. I'm talking about, like, crazy lines. Unreal. Too unreal to the point where you have somebody look out in the corner in the middle and in the other corner.

You got to look out for, you know, police. And it's like 12 and 15-year-old kids managing these adults, these drug addicts. It's quite... I mean, because I was one of those young kids at that time. Well, your father, you're Puerto Rican? 100%. Yes. Wow.

Wow, that's a disappearing, that's a disappearing ethnicity in New York, I feel like. Yeah. The 100% Borikwa. Yeah, I'm Puerto Rican. I was born in Puerto Rico. Okay. Mother and father brought you here. From me here when I was three, four.

Okay. And your dad had the weed. My father was that guy. He was that guy in Puerto Rico, and he was that guy out here. Yeah, he was that guy. He had all the fucking weed. He had the weed in Puerto Rico, too? Yeah, but out here, he really had the weed.

Wow. Yeah, you were telling me a garbage bag. in the house. Yeah, garbage bags. There was so many garbage so much weed. I used to throw some pounds out the window to my friends and sell it. It's like, you took pounds from him, like, you know, like somebody takes a couple of grams off a block. It didn't even fucking notice.

It was funny. Because that must have been like the Mexican. I graduated. I went from that to taking his car and putting the cones on the parking spot in front of my building and threatening anybody. You know, listen, if somebody moved that motherfucker's shit, yo. I really know it's going to be issues. And they leave the fucking cones there. And I used to drive his car, taking it while he's sleeping to learn how to drive.

You must have been, what, 13? Yeah. That's when people start driving in the Bronx, about 13, 14. Exactly. Usually stole these, stolen. I was taking his car. Yeah. Wow.

So he must have been getting weed from what the Jamaicans or the Mexicans? I don't know. I didn't ask no question. I didn't know. I didn't have a clue. I was just, I just know they was in the house. I was like, shit. Oh, this weed.

I didn't even know the vacations. value of it really I was just a kid Right Doing dumb shit What kind of value but it sounds like you guys were eating now Even though you're from the hood I mean we have money We sold it but it wasn't it

It wasn't like I was that that's what I I saw cocaine I saw night ride I sold fucking shit like that I did that so you know back of the days That shit turned into selling crack And the crack era came and all that Your dad had the pounds

Your dad had the weed by the ton In the 70s Yeah that's back in the days, yeah. But what kind of affluence, like, did that teach you about, you know, the affluence of, like, structured drug dealing, like, later? No, because I've never really been a drug dealer. I really, I mean, I never really been a drug dealer.

I never, because I never really took that. I usually just, I was more like the manager, the guy that just made sure that the money is straight and everything is good. And they tell me, yo, he has to give you $100,000 at the end of the night or shit like that. Like, it wasn't nothing like where I actually was, okay, these are the pounds, these are how many, I didn't even, I'm really been like a street, like a stick up kid. I've been like, you know.

You were enforcement. And I went to jail for extorting. I went to the fed for what the mafia go to jail for, for extorting drug dealers, though. I see. Okay. So put a pin in that. So, but you were, when it came to drugs, you were management and enforcement at Southland. Yeah, like I was more like the cool with the, with the owners, with the, with the,

There was them guys. I was just cool and I freestyle. Do what I ought to do. You know, P, make sure shit it's good over here. I was that guy. I was the street guy, you know? So you were working in shooting galleries when you were a young? I was working in a shooting gallery when I was a young kid.

Wow. How did you get a job in a shooting gallery and tell us what that is? I just took, shooting gallery is a bandit building that you just turned into a shooting gallery. You charge motherfuckers to dial out the door to come in, then shoot up. Yep. What year was at? I was late. I would say

I was young, man. I was a little kid. I was like 11, 12, 13. Imagine that going out, in and out. Right. You know, I was getting my mother's problem, stepping out the house,

leaving my house for a month. She'll send me to the store, go get some rice. I take off, I'm selling cocaine in the street. My friend stayed in my friend's house. Doing all kinds of shit. Got kicked out all the schools I was in.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So whoever's, running a heroin spot, a shooting gallery just says, hey, I'm going to pay you a little, it's like a summer job, I'm going to pay you to stand a door and make sure everything's cool. Well, the shooting gallery was

it was really us amongst me and my guys. A bunch of young kids we just took over a building. It was like, yo, let's charge you diggers to fucking shoot up. And it worked. Everybody was going and shoot up. How many junkies would be up in there? A whole bunch of them. We didn't get I didn't count, but it was a bunch of them. And there was so... It was a bunch of

it. We didn't get rich off for it. You know what I'm same, but it was a lot of people shooting up going in and out. And they feel comfortable. You know how you can't just shoot up. Now they shoot up at Third Avenue in the Bronx. They stopped it now because they just put a precinct on the same block they all were shooting up at. Crazy in the Bronx. They just changed the 40th precinct, which is the precinct I was raised.

That's the preaching that put me awake. They got another, they just moved. They just got a brand new precinct. New 40th precinct. And then that block, horrible. Yeah. Yeah. And there was so much abandoned property in the Bronx back in the day.

you could just, yeah, kids could go just take a spot over. And turn it into money. What the craziest, the crazy shit is that I look at all that and all the stuff that I done in regards to surviving and all that. You know, we come from the, we was poor. We ain't had no money. You know what I'm saying? My dad did what he did. But he in and out, you know what I'm saying?

You know, at the end of the day, we were still, it wasn't like we was middle class or anything. We live on Cyprus Avenue, it's slums. You know what I'm saying? So I was just out there just, you know, just trying to survive and, you know. Dude, what did he think about you, like, running around while in at such a young age? Yeah, I know. My dad was one of those. He was, can't say nothing bad about him.

Man, he never put his hands on me, never hit me. He was just, he was to speak to me, and I'm going to do what I'm going to do. You know what I'm saying? You were just immediately taken by the streets. Yeah, I would just, I would just got a, yeah, I got a thing for the streets, man. I'm still running around the streets, but just in a legit way, in a good way. I'm not into negativity, no bad stuff and not everything,

but I still run around, I run around more than my other friends. My other friends that they're famous and they rich, they'd be like, well, why are you there in the hood? And I'm like, well, I mean, this guy passed away. I thought I'll come over and show some love. They'd be like, okay, yeah, all right, Pete. You know, like, what are you doing the hood?

And I'm like, you know, they don't want me there. But I, the hood loves me. I'm embraced by the hood. The hood, maybe. who, I mean, I don't know, it's just, it's something, you know, it's just like, it's funny because I was, I ran the shooting gallery and so, also needles to them. You know what I'm saying?

Either one of the needle, we get the box of needles from the hospital. He used to steal the heels for hospital? Yeah, I had to steal them, we buy them, you know, and we used to fucking, you know, hey, he goes, the needle needles, boom, three dollars, da-da-da, and these go shoot up. And we went from that, and now he is, You know, later, decades later, I mean, I was when I was a kid.

I was when I was a baby, you know what I'm saying? And now I'm having conversations with the mayor of New York talking about, I have a program and a system that I'm creating with the mayor. We're going to partner up on collecting and picking up surrenders from the streets. That was wild, dude. Bro, with Eric Adams? Yeah. Wow.

He just beat a case. Yeah. Fed's trying to get him. Yeah. Man, this shit goes, you gotta be on straight hour right here. Yeah, right? Yeah, stages. That's crazy.

It's easy to go to jail. It's hard to get out. Man, that's a fact, bro. You can catch a case in New York for anything. It's hard to get out of fucking jail. I know. You know. You know what I'm saying?

It's hard. So, damn, so the streets, heroin and drugs and crack and death, that and street legends and drug kingpins, like, it's normalized. in the Bronx, right? Puerto Ricans, you guys were big heroin dealers back in the 80s and 90s.

Do you remember that? You know, guys like Boy George, guys like... Shout out to Boy George. That's my guy, that's my brother. Did you know him? Of course. Ran around the street with him. I was his guy too.

Did you hear about like he would have like straight up bazookas? Like he had cats like with automatic weapons and like rockets. Like the dudes. You know, you know, soundtrack. travels. Sometimes by the time it hits the third person, they change the fucking story. The whole narrative of the fucking story. Now he got bombs on him and all that. I know George, I never see that motherfucker with no bombs or nothing.

We used to jump in the fucking car and his bends. And all I could tell you, he had a James Bond bends. Yes, I could talk about the fly stashes, the this, to that. All that year was fly and that was his guy. He was the only person at that time and ever in those years that used to introduce me as Pist to Pete. And I used to feel weird. I used to go to Kasky.

I used to go to upstate in the group home that he was in. He had relationships with everybody. That's my God. It's so crazy that you mentioned. I don't know if you know that was my boy, but you got an official story there. But, you know what I mean? I don't even talk about stuff like that.

But that one is a good one. George is my brother. You know what I'm saying? Right now, we're trying to work and getting him out. Just that he's in jail. You know, he gets to stuff in trouble, getting stuff in trouble. So it's hard to get somebody that still continues to get stuff in jail.

Right. So, you know, the government is going to look. got that. What the fuck? This guy's a fucking crazy guy. You can't let this guy out. Yeah. But they also working on doing his movie. They definitely on the words for that. Yeah, wow.

I mean, if people should go research him or study him or I read about him in a book years ago when I was in college, I read this book called Random Family. And it was about a woman that just went and was like documenting what it's like in the South Bronx. It's like a sociology experiment. And she met this woman

who began the story. Her name was Jessica. And Jessica was dating this dude named George, George Rivera. And the way that they went into detail about how this guy ran his operation, normal people can't even believe, like, how sophisticated these ghetto kids would run shit. He was the richest fucking kid at 20 years old. He was a millionaire. Multi-million.

Yeah, that fucking, yeah. Like moving, like, Chinese heroin kilos, like, every day. hundreds of thousands of dollars a day were moving through those streets. There was a lot of money back in the days. How did you work with him or we were just cool with him? No, we was my boy. He was just my guy.

We'll go here, pick me up. He feels secure. He felt comfortable with me around. Right. You know what I'm saying? So I was a loose cannon. So it was like, you know, I repeat. I'm gone.

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Do it smart. Do it professional. Go get the HOF app today and use that promo code. How'd you get the name Pistol Pete? It's weird, man, because, you know, a lot of my friends have started, and particularly George, George started the whole Pistol Pete.

He was him that was started. He's one of the original guy that really started. Pistol Pete, this Pistol Pete right here, this thing of here is, Pistol Pete. But when it got, Like out there, like a little bit, the police used to, the police used to fuck with me, man.

Police in the neighborhood, they used to get on the speaker and be like, pistol peed. And one day, you know, they had them stashes. They had, you know, those stashes where you put like, it's like a can of beans, like it's closed. But then you open it, they used to sell them in the fucking,

everywhere. Yeah. You know, and you open them and you put some shit in it. So guys have fucked the fucking girl. And a few of us had to have. crabs. And we put the fucking medicine and then we put the, put it away, and we had the car.

They found it. It was like, yeah, pistol penis fellas, the guys, they got crabs on the fucking, on the fucking, on the speaker, the fuck, we all bugger. And we're like, yo, get the fuck. Pistol penis. And it was just something like, you know, and then it stuck because I was, I was standing up, like I was really wilding out,

you know, getting myself in all kind of, you know, gun charges, oozy charges. I got caught with, you know, I got caught in a lot of shit. You know what I'm saying? I had a lot of situation that I, thank God. I was there. It matters to, you know, beat some.

And obviously, I went to jail. But when I went to jail, I went to jail. I wasn't a jail. I didn't tell. Okay. So now we're in the early mid-80s. You're already making moves in the street. You're learning how to make money, at least operating, orbiting the drug trade, right?

But you never had aspirations to be like a guy like George. being a kingpin? Why not? I guess I didn't want that pressure. I didn't want to feel like, you know, like that pressure. I didn't want to feel like I'm cool who I am. I'm saying? I was cool with who I am.

I was comfortable. I always been comfortable with on my lane. You know what I'm saying? So that was his lane. That's what he was about. That's what he was good at it and he was comfortable with it. Cool. Me?

I'm actually a fucking scaly cat when they come down to drugs. Feel me? Like I'm what type of dude? I'd rather punch you in your face right here on TV than sell your bag of weed. Well, you gave me some weed. No, you said, me feel me? You feel, me? But I was free.

But you feel what I'm saying, though? Like, it's like, I'm not, I never been like, I don't get moved by that. So it's a different personality, because I'm, most people are very afraid of violence, like even doing violence. Even in the hood, like, I think if you commit, you know, if you do some thug shit around people,

word travels quick. Of course. Right? No, that's how it goes. Do you remember, like, the first time you, like, gain that reputation as, like, a tough guy, as like a gun guy, a dude that was, like, about it? It was just coming to natural, man. You know, people are going to come in the block.

You know, we have, we have a shootouts with other people in other neighborhoods. We know, we're standing for our blocks. We have problems with the Puerto Rican lovers that was, like, two blocks away. They all coming down a block because they want to fight the guys that represent Cyprus boys and this dad and we really the junior cypress boys we like even the older guys that it was older guys in us that we that was out there doing

and they didn't get money in my neighborhood and but we still like I never put junior Cypress Boys on me and not like that I was like nigga I'm Cypress guys and the older guys they respect me also because I put that work and they was like he ain't no fucking junior his pistols of Cypress boys

you know what I'm saying so and I used to go down a block and fight man fight another neighborhood before we had beef with this guy per week and love was and my boy Rudy that passed away. They killed him. He killed him. He died in my hands.

I said, no. And I put the, he put the, he put the, through the gloves. You know, back in the day, the slip up.

The gloves are the slippers. Mm-hmm. He put the, he, man, put you go to work. And he's one of those guys that he was like

the bully in the hood. He was, you know, he looked at it like, he reminded me and Mike Tyson. Mm-hmm. You know what I'm saying?

He was, his name was Rudy. And I looked up, I looked up to him a lot. He taught me how to fight. Yeah. He used to beat all of us up. All the fellas used to run in the hallway.

I'm the only one I want to stay there and get beat up. But at the same time, I'm learning. So you would throw hands before you picked up a gun. Like you learned out of throw hands. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So you're about like, what, at 13, 14 now, you've worked in some shooting galleries.

You've gotten some trouble. You're already on the path. Yeah, I'm on the path. I'm already going to, I'm having shootouts in the street with my friend with a BB gun. Pop, pop, playing around, just for fucking with the police running down. running down on us, we running upstairs. You know, they finally got me and they took me in, they called my mom.

My mom's like, no, I'm not picking them up. I haven't seen my son in a month. Boom, I went to Sparfit. You know, for those that don't know, you know, Sparfit, you know, it was just jail for juveniles. And at Huss Point. It's not there no more.

Now they have another, they built another one, Third Avenue. But I went to Sparfit. I stayed in Sparfit for like a month. Came home. messed up again, went back to Sparfit and wound up going to Brooklyn, non-detentioned to the correctional,

non-dention, like a facility, like a group home. I went there, I went to Beach House in the Bronx, which I A-walk from there, meaning I left, I jumped out the window and left. And, you know, my mom, it was tough. I was in every school I got kicked out. You know, I hit a teacher with a chair, and I was 155.

That's where it really started the whole fucking thing. And then, you know, where I started standing up is when, you know, one of my boys was out on bail. We was out there wilding and, you know, he was out on $50,000 dollar bail. I left him all my Delta 88. And prior to that, it was like this white guy came to the neighborhood selling like a box of guns, you know, and 25s. And everybody, and everybody bought the guns. The whole fucking neighborhood had 25s. Wow.

This shit was crazy. So the next day, so I'm here with my baby mother. one of my first baby mother you know what I'm saying my oldest son Peter his mother and I was she was in my mom's house in my house and I was taking home her in the morning

this is until my 530s tickets is gonna start to get daylight and I'm trying to have you up and get her home you know I got sand who's on I'm like come on let's go you know it's like someone down there come on you know what I'm saying she's like all right come on I got to take her to home

my parents are straight this I don't want no issues right so and I'm going out of block and I see all my boys and shit they got the cop cars the police detective this, that, they got the girls he handcuffed, they got my two boys handcover, and he has my car.

My Delta 88. You know what I'm saying? And I just told, I see your gent. You go, right? You go home. And I'm saying, I went over there and the fellow's already coming. Yo, Pete, your pistol. Yo, they found a 25, you know, and they got they locking them up. They found a 25 in the car. You know what I'm saying? And my boy was

out on bail, $50,000 a bail for shooting somebody in the head. So I knew this. And And, you know, I was like, he's out on bail on that. I was like, Dan, you know, he got caught with a gun in my car. And I was there. And I was like, so I went over there and I was like, oh, by the way, that's my car. That's my car.

That's my gun and all that. They don't know. They don't even know. And they didn't even know. And they took all over to the station house and then they let them go. And they arrested me. And they took me in. And when I went out to see the judge, the whole fucking neighborhood was out.

The whole fucking block was there. Like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We love you, pee. Or it's his bail. No matter what his bad way. Let's get him.

Wow. So what was your charge then? A gun possession. Yeah. Right. It's gun charge. So how many time this is before Giuliani? So I imagine you could catch as many gun cases as you wanted before you got real time, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Like the 80s, I mean. I got probation. I got probation for shit like that. Right. You know what I'm saying? I was on probation for, when I got arrested, I was on probation for shit like that.

And talk about, like, the era before cameras. Like there must have been people getting killed every day in the Bronx. It must have been, yeah, it was crazy. It was, it's wow now on his cameras. Yeah, yeah. So imagine all of cameras. Right. Right.

It was a tough. It was dangerous. It was a car green jungle, man. It was dangerous to be a drug dealer, man. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, it was dangerous to be in the street period. Right, right. Yeah, unique, our friend who did the show, he would tell us that you find a body in the street.

It would just be left there until morning because the ambulance, they're like, I'm not coming around that neighborhood. I don't find nobody but on my body. My little brother in them, they found a body when I was in jail. I was in jail. They was like, yo, we found a body, you know. So you just kept going in and out, even in your teen years. Yeah, like, in my teens, I was a problem. Yeah, I was having little issues with being, you know,

staying stilled and running around the streets and shit like that, you know. Do you remember, like, a memorable shootout? Like, when you eventually got your hands on an Uzi, like you went from a 25 to a... Nah, I don't know, it was so many occasions that it was... I got called with a Uzi. I got probation for that shit. you know what I'm saying it was like yeah

it was it was never shot and all like that right but it was it was you know obviously I got caught yeah I didn't even get caught but it was in a fucking I was just young and naive and I was then educated you know what I'm saying so it was like let me call let me take that you know what I'm saying

not like we're now you know and you know and we're talking about in 1996 where I got I got a I only, when I only, we were arrested just to the feds in the state. That's it. But I got arrested when I came home again.

And I was going to court and fighting for my life for three years for a tenth of murder. But this time I was around. This time I'm educated. I'm focused. I got money and I got a lawyer and I got a bunch of rich friends. And I went. And I was a trial and I beat it. But I didn't start it either.

It wasn't like I was out there looking for a problem. Okay. So when did you start, when, what age did you start saying, okay, no more fucking around? Like, I need to get money. Like, I need to start collecting. You know, I always was always into getting money. You know, now as far as like when I start acting crazy and being, you know, what we're doing? You know, like before I went to the, you know, because I went to the fairs, I went to, you know, I went to extorting the drug dealers.

No, tell us about the 80s. We'll move up to that. Well, the 80s, it was just something that what I feel what saved me from not being dead is that I went to jail. Ah, I see. Because when I went to jail, half of my friends, they went to jail for life. And half of them went to jail. There was dead. They killed them.

Wow. So when I came home, it was like, they kids, they kids, you know, like, I started meeting their kids. Wow. Now they're coming out the house. What year did you go away to prison for the first? time um i went i went to well rikers island or just to up north no rikers island rikers island 87 uh what was that um um that murder hmm hmm did you beat that no you didn't beat that no hmm okay what was that uh okay how long were you on the island for i was on island for three years holy shit i went up north

in 89 how do you survive on rikers island for three years i became the first predicate on. I was the first predicate on Ragazzana. What does that mean? I was the first guy handcuff and shackle and put restraining orders and and built a visitor room for me. Just because you were so wild.

Yeah, because I cut, I cut 19 people in Ragazzana. Wow. Did you get cases for any of those cuttons? Yeah. Okay. But they just random concurrent? Yeah, I beat them and shit. It was not like be flattened out like now. Now you're catching Ragazzano, you fucking fraud. Yeah. They give me a lot of

but people still doing it. But back then, I realized and knew this information recent that I cut 19 people in Rikers Island. And this is because I try to get on Rikers Island. You know, as you know, I started going back to Rackers Island. So I had issues with getting my ID, dog in the yard on Rikers Island. That's my program. That's my podcast.

So I was like, so I wanted to get it. And they gave me a hard time until I sat down with the mayor And on just like when you interview And I asked them I say, listen, why if I'm doing all this So much positivity on that for the community And I'm doing so much this, that, the other, right? Why are they giving me a hard time

To go back to Raggers Island, a place that they need me And I realized that by going there to visit I only went there because I'm writing a book And I wanted to be my legacy And I went back to Raggers Island And spoke to the kids And when I went there to change my I was like, you cut more people

You probably forgot about people you cut That's how many people you were cut Yeah, I got into a lot of fucking problem I got into a lot of shit. Yeah. And this was before the bloods and the crips were a thing on Rikers, right? Yeah. It was Lankines there.

It was Niantas there. It was a few gangs. What a Nietas? Puerto Rican. Puerto Rican gang. Puerto Rican gangs. Right, I see. Damn.

And those cats are used to slashing. That's like part of the culture. It was, it was tough, man. You know, back in the day, it was stuff. HDM, but CC-95. You know, I was in the fall building. I got kicked out. I kicked out all the buildings.

Are you trying to run the buildings? Is that why I ran the problems? I didn't try. I ran the building. If you look me up on you two, King of New York, King of Raggers Island, Paul me, King of Raggers Island. Tell us now. I did.

Don't plug another thing, another shit. You tell us on this joint, bro. That's not that works. King of Raggers Island, man, do your homework, man. You already know. I'm not proud of it, but it's just, it was this is what they leave with me. I regulated for a long time

and every building that I went to on Raggers Is that just to have the most in your locker? No, I didn't care about that shit. I never value. I'm not the guy that's greedy that want everything for myself. If you get to know me, if I could do something after this point and you become a friend and you say, you P, I want this interview and I can make it happy for you, I'm a P is that genuine nigga that won't charge you a fucking dollar

and we'll get them for you because just because you, I like you. But it sounds like it. It sounds like, though, it was just power. Like, if you don't like, if you're not motivated, motivated by material thing so much, like, why are you, why must you run every single housing block on Rikers? It was just something that came naturally. Like, I wanted the phone, I didn't want them to give me phone time.

So I needed my own phone. So I have, so I take everybody phone. And I was there at era, I came back from the feds. I went to the state. I went to the feds and came back. to the island when I came back I was red ID that's when they came up with the red ID which is like for people that

slashes and cut and finally they got they catch with knife they put the mittens on and the mittens you have them on all fucking day when you go to court then when you take them off your fucking hands smart like shit and that's so you can't hide a razor you can't do shit you're handcuff in on mitts

yo well how about that one like in the boopin all fucking day so while the time you fucking take them they take this shit, oh, you'd be fucking like, what the, you feel disgusting, because Julio had him, Rodriguez had him, Kishon had them, fucking, everybody

who were the same men. So, and they set that program up because of you? No, that program came while I was gone. Oh, I see. They came up with the red ID and all that. When I was there, I was just the first predicate on Rikazade. So you, you really... A big Laino was also, too.

Wow. Yeah, yeah, he was cutting people. But, um, so, but they built a whole new... You took, they had to take taxpayer money to build a whole ass visiting room because of you. Yeah, it was already, like, it was like a visitor already. They just took like a little piece and made, it made like a see-through bubble. Yeah.

And I'm saying where they could watch me, see me. And my visitor goes in there. And, you know. Were you able to, how were you getting shit in while you were there? I did everything, man, when I was in there, man. I mean, I wear almost not the same jury, but I wear back in the day. I wear all my jewelry. I wear, you, you'll be like this motherfucker.

and then you wear your own clothes. I mean, you'll come see me, you'll see me, and I take a picture in the yard and it's like this, with all my jury on like this. They'd be like, look at Pete, man, like he ain't nothing. And I was in there taking anybody's jury. I was in there taking it like I did. Man, I went to the, let me tell you,

a fast ragazana story. This is a classic ragazana story. I went to, I was around the island. I was in Fiamen. I got there in the house just one night. When I got there, everybody lived in Brooklyn. You know, back in the days, it was gall bodies, five percenters. So I was a five percenter.

I was a, I was a guard body, too. What is that? You don't know nothing about the nation of Islam. Right. Five percent is just like the original man is the black man. And, you know, and there's Bill Gardner and you do math and it's, you know, common colds and so like that. It was basically like a prison, it came out of Rikers and out of the New York jail system. but it was essentially like, yeah, like a Muslim.

It's been in the street. This is, this is, this is, this is, to this day they got guard bodies. Right. A lot of guys is guard bodies. Okay. You have, you know, like Ray Kwan. Yeah. You know, you know, the whole town, they got bodies.

Right. You know, like, you know, Buster Run, a lot of them to guard bodies. Like they, you know, they know, they know, the original man. So, right. There you go. You know, peace guards, you know, stuff like that. Yeah, yeah. Oh, that's where peace guard comes from.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. When you see, peace God, peace God, you know, peace God. Like my name was Ksong Allah, positive Allah. Okay. You know what I'm saying?

But that was my name. I imagine you guys violated a lot of the rules of Islam. No, we violated everything. We did, you know what? I was in there. I'm running two of these guys. They robbing anybody. Nobody touching the phones.

I was like, what the fuck you guys are doing? I get there with a bunch of guys from Brooklyn. I'm like, yo, which are guys, they all guard bodies. I'm like, yo, but it was a kind of little abusive. They wasn't allowed to Spanish guys get on the phone. The white guys couldn't get on the phone. and I changed that fast. I was there for like a couple days.

Boom, I was like, you listen, obviously they gave you a P, that's your phone. This is the black phone. This is the Puerto Rican phone. This is the Spanish. I was like, well, I need that phone. I need to. It was like five phone.

I need two phones. All right. Pistee, you got two, two phones. Boom. No problem. They all knew what it was. I was on my shit. Nobody wanted no problems with me.

So I was like, so we was good. And I gave one phone for the guys that client get on. That he was like not letting them get on. You know, this nice old man Spanish guys, the white guys, get on the phone. They love me. They used to try to buy me shit. I was like, no, man, you're good. I never took advantage of nobody like that.

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but also still a wolf. Yeah. Okay. All day. I see. I see. So yeah, the phones on Rikers are fascinated. The politics over phone time is wild. People got killed over the phone. You know, this ain't the new phones out here. Ragazana is the old phone.

You take the bottom off, you take the fucking inside. I used to go to court with it. Take it all the way to call with me, all the way to court so nobody can get on my phone. Come back and sometimes, and I've been in situations where I left my phone there and tell my little man, make sure nobody tells the phone with you,

but I don't know. I want nobody on the phone. And I go to court all day, come back at 8 o'clock at night, nobody on the phone. But you're not even there to use it. You just don't want nobody using it. I was just doing shit like that, man. Just on GP.

Yeah. Now would you... I had a phone, Jones. I used to be on the phone, and that was, like, my escape from jail. I used to be on the phone talking to ladies on the phone, jerking off all fucking there on the phone. You know, you call this one, called Esau, called Janetta at 9. You know what me? Did you be masturbating in the day room?

Everybody around, everybody would be like, yo, what the fuck this nigga be crazy? I'd be like, yo, part of himself, yo. I got to do it. I got to do what I suck. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. I used to be fucking crazy as shit. So you were a bit of a thing.

thug. I guess, I don't know. Were you getting drugs in there? I know drugs aren't your thing, but...

Drugs was never really much. I didn't have to get no drugs in there. The drugs in there, the drugs used to come in and I used to tell the dude that brought the drugs in to shit it

and clean him up and make sure he gives me to give me my percentage. So you're just taking percentages. Shit. And you were, if a guy said no.

No, it was never no. When there was no... Well, 19 times he said, like no. You can't live where I live. You can't. If you had problems with me in the street,

anything with my friends, anything, you can't come around me in jail. You have to pay your way. And if you really did something really bad, then you can't live with me. Like sex crimes? No, we're not concluding that. They can't live around us, period. That doesn't exist around. Okay.

But I'm asking you that because it's in some places, I don't know about New York. They lock them up. They keep them away from us. They're not where the wolves is at. And the homosexuals either? Well, back in the days, yes, they used to be around. Some of them, they had like a special unit they go to. if they really look like a girl, shit like that.

They're creating problems. Yeah, those are problems. Yeah, probably people get married and all kind of weird shit in jail. You know what I'm saying? Were you worried about AIDS? They throwing rice is all that. No, serious. Oh, for sure.

I swear, gang members, you. I'm not even going to tell you, but the gangs, but I just, people throwing rice up in the air and all kind of fucking shit, man. Wow. Was there any funny shit, like, around, like, people, like, taking other prisoners' booties and shit? Nah. I never really, I never really,

seen like only until you went up to I went up north you know like when you go up to the penitentiary in jail then you might see funny shit you know a guy you know running to another guy's cell and they're getting it gone and you know I had you know I had you know I had a friend that I that became a close friend of mine when I went upstate and he was me he was about to go gun and gun you know like knife to knife because he's I got to the new jail in casacking he's and in the casacki you go like this and touch the wall Right? So it's only a fucking little window like that with the boss.

So, but it's so quiet and night. So I got there late because they kicked me out from another jail. So they brought me there. And from Omaha, they kicked me out because I took everybody's jury that was on Rikers Island. I went to the visit and gave it to my kid's mom. And so like, hey, I take everybody's jury home and so like that.

And went back and they was, like, yo, put my jury back then. You know, I had a brand new pair of Air Max. my baby mother had got me and I'm going and I was already in a boop I was already in a YMEe pen Yami pen is

is a boopin and Ruggers Island that is called the YMEe pen and whenever you do something wrong you cut somebody they put you in the YMEE pen so it was me three other guys there because the day before

I took this fucking kid me and three other guys took this guy's jury and on the way to the mess hall he was there with the fucking riot squad and everything and they pointed us out him him and him

they took my fucking fucking jury and shut like that. So they took us out and we had us in the Yimee pin. Now we're getting traffic to another jail.

My baby mom's come visit me. I go to the visiting room, right? I go to the visit room. Everybody says, yo, what's up? Well, that's the G.

What up? Pistol, what up? What up? They got him handcuffed. They take all the handcuff. I got to put the jumpsuit on, right? And put the sanders on all that.

So I got to put my first little in the crate. So I'm like, yo, what's up? me? I'm going on a visit. So like I said, I'll stay with jury on,

All right. I always stay with, I always had jewelry. You know, let me hold your chain, son, let me hold them, some of the rings and all that.

My baby mom's coming. I want to look good and all that. Let me get all that. Let me get that. Let me get that ring there. Let me hold that. Let me hold the reins.

They change and all that. I go to the visiting room. I put on the jumps. So I gave him my, my, my, and the bucket, I gave him my brand new air max.

They just came out red and white. Flash or something. Like, you know, it's like, you know, back in, it's still like now,

Sneakers. So I gave him to him, boom, I go inside the visiting room, I see my baby moms, I gave up my chains. I gave them all their jewelry. All they, they rings. It was like two, three reins. Boom. One particular ring was that it was the aisle with the diamonds on it, right?

Like the with the diamonds on it. So, and, um. You're like, baby, look when I bought for you. No, I said, yeah, baby, here, put all that shit on. You know what I'm saying? Take that. She said, Pete, what did she say? You know, she didn't call me piss her.

She said, Peter, what you did now? I'm like, man, I'm like, man, don't worry about it. Just put all this shit and take it back. And hold that. And I went back and the guys were saying, What's up?

Pete, what's up? I'm acting funny because I'm already know what I did. I'm like, let me get my shit. They're like, hold up, man. Yeah, what's up? Nick, what are you? I'm like, yo, get my shit.

So I got you right now and all that. They're like, they're like peeking me. And they took a little, that's like a little two, three seconds. They gave me my, my, my, my crate. It was like a net back, a net. And they gave it to me

and there was some old new bands in them shit, twisted up like this with my air maxes at. So I'm like, so I went like, then I hit him with the fucking with the tray of the face.

Boom. Bitch ass, police club. Oh, what's up, what's up? So they're like, yo, you faggot ass, nigga with my jewelry at.

With my shit out? You're my ring out. What's up? I'm like, I don't know what you're talking about. That shit is over, son. Shut the fuck up. Man.

That's your, he ain't got nothing to talk about. you're going to see you in Omyra. We're going to see you. Amira's like one of the first jail that you go at when you go upstate. You know what I'm saying? It's really bad there.

You know what I'm saying? So they're like, yo, I see you in the penitentiary. I'm like, I'll see you. See you there. You know what? We don't know. So the police come. I'm super hot and they took my sneakers.

I'm thinking I was up until they fucking got me from my sneakers. I'm like, fuck. No, I tell the police coming me, say, Pete, stop. Listen, I know what you did. I don't care. These guys work for me.

There's only one guy I give a fuck about. the guy that you took his ring, the one with the aisle, with the diamonds and all that shit with the pearl in his mouth? Can you give that one back? And I get you your sneakers back. Give my sneakers out.

Oh, they're not even here. My sneakers out. Oh, they were they took up to the unit. I'm like, damn, they quit. They took my shit to the unit and all. I'm like, shit. So I was at whatever. So I called, they was like,

call you, call you, call you. They stopped my baby moms on the way out the door. So you got on the phone in the front. Yo, what you did, Pete? I'm like, just give them the ring with the owl and all that on it. Give them now.

I gave them now. They got my sneakers back and. But the other guys, their jewelry's gone. They was gone. I see y'all off north. So did you run into them at El Mair? So when I got to Amira, I had so much beef in there that I only lasted like a week and a half.

Okay. All right. So let's get back to, let's get back to the case real quick. Why did it take three years for them to take you to trial on the attempt murder? I had other cases, like gun charges and shit like that. So I had, you know, how to deal with all that. I wasn't trying to cop out to just take any time.

Especially, I didn't do the crime. You know, what they was really charging me, the attempt murder, I didn't do it. Really? No. Did a lot of other shit. Yeah. You didn't do that one. Yeah, I had to pay for that shit.

That's how it goes, it's common. So what happened with the somebody, somebody got shot at? Somebody got shot, and them, they had the same vehicle like the one I had. And then they came to me, and it was like, yo, that's you. But I, and I knew the vehicle and all that. I knew who it was and the whole shit. But I just said, you know, it. And it was it was it was like I had a bunch of cases.

And now that came up, they came and picked me up. My son was just born. You know what I'm saying? I was going to go get pamphers and shit like that. They gripped me up. They took me. You're 18 years old. And it was, yeah, they took me right there.

Wow. Yeah, I mean, a lot of, that was the thing about forensics before technology is that it was easier to get away with murder, but you could also go down for a body or an attempt body that you didn't do. Yeah. You know, no, it was just, it was just the game. You outside the street. Yeah.

The game, you got to be ready for whatever comes. Did that, the dude that actually did it, did he look out for you? Nah. Okay, so you didn't want to, the longer you can hold out on Rikers, the torture that is Rikers, even though it sounded like you were living, you know, about as good as you can. I was in a jail, I was in a neighborhood, I'd get bored, I'd leave out that jail, I'll go to another jail. You leave out, you leave out by just bucking somebody or? Yeah, that being so much of a mess that they keep me out the whole building.

They'd be that way, they take me to another. building, they don't want me there. I go through that too. I used to go through that. They'll take me to see 95 and I be in the bullpins all day. Talking about, oh, we don't have room for him. We don't want him in this building. And then they'll ship me back to the building that kicked me out, the four building. The four building and be

like, well, you're going back here for it. We don't want him here. Well, let's take him to H.D.m. And they try to get placement in HDM. Let's take them over there. Let's put them over there. Oh, they don't want them over there. And I go through that. I used to go through that shit, too. It'll take me, I'd be in the bootpins. Oh,

fucking day till like three in the morning until they find a place for me. What happened was it became such a problem and finding placement for me and unit for me to go to that I became a predicate. So now they locked me up. They put me in all day in the cell.

I was right across the street from Larry Davis. I don't know if you... Yeah, the guy who shot those cops. The cops and all. I used to do shit and piss that Larry Davis. I used to have beef with Larry Davis. I used to have the phone. He had his own fucking cell. A whole fucking everywhere like this. to himself fucking living like a fucking key in that bitch

and we and we and I'm in a cell and the small cell right across the street from his ass long ass but I'm seeing him this whole shit and a bunch of cells right here and it was me and I don't know of you

the the Supreme team you know the guys from Queens and all that I was locked up with all of them all the Supreme team I was there with the one that told he was my next door neighbor I was with a I was there and I was there and I

We used to kick it with Larry. I used to kick it with Larry, and I became cool to a certain point because he used to get special visits. So I wanted to go on a special visit and fuck. Oh, they let you in the room and no cameras. Yeah, it's different. Yeah, they put you in a big-ass room,

and they let you leave you there for like an hour. And you could just... Fuck your lawyer? Yeah, you can fuck whoever. Your girl, come through you. Oh, they let you go on, too. Yeah, on a visit. Wow.

No, visit. Hold on. Before you go into this story, tell us for people who don't know Larry Davis is. This is a famous Wild Hood case. Yeah, yeah. He was incredible. He was a brother that, you know, got into it with the police.

Police set him up with a bunch of shit. He's to do a lot of dealings with cops and the cops was crooked. And then for some reason that he knew information that they knew that it was deadly to him and deadly to them, you know, meaning that they were, they was going to be under investigation too. And they came

at him a little extra and when they came out of to arrest him, he was having a shootouts with them. Right. There's these cops, he was wanted for some bodies he did do some killings for sure but they these cops these dirty cops like these are typical like deep Brooklyn

Irish fucking crooked New York cops Yeah I know there but I'm giving the Prototype of the cops These are 80s white guys with mustaches That are like you know they look like Out of the movie Serpico you know I'm saying So they fucking raided his house with his family there His kids there

I don't even think they had a warm and for it. If they did, they just came in shooting. Like, they were just shooting at everybody. Everything. Like, bullets just riddled the house with like little children in there. And Larry shot all four of them. Didn't kill anyone, but like headshots. Yeah, he shot. And he got away. And there was a fucking fat manhunt for him.

It was a super hunt in the Bronx. You remember that? You remember how hot it was in those days when they were looking for him? It was crazy, man. So Larry Davis was man. So Larry Davis, man, me and him had a little history. Anyway, so now he's obviously on Rikers. He was a CMC. We was all locked up at CMC. That's the special unit.

We don't go nowhere. Fool comes to us. Everything goes to us. We can't be moved around. We move around. Shacko up from head or toe to the visit. To this dad, that's it. Other than that, you and yourself.

So he was obviously in the front and he was to take the phone. And we used to have that one phone for the whole fucking unit. So he's a dog the fucking phone. And the cops used to be almost scared of asking for the fucking phone. Something like. my man give the fucking phone up and you know and i used to try to do shit and piss and he used to be like think i'm but you fucking he thought i was from brooklyn because i always got had got got teeth oh that was a brooklyn thing yeah he said brooklyn thing go teeth so he was

that yeah you from brooklyn i said no man motherfucker i'm from the bronx nuggs he was out oh yeah i'm see you and then later on in life i ran into um larry in the hdm no i'm sorry i ran into him and i'm sorry and um in comstock Upstate. Yeah, upstate. And he, you know, we kicked it briefly and shit like that. He was Muslim. He wasn't doing a while.

He was whatever at that time. And, you know, he was like, what's up? Man, what's up? I was like, peace, brother. He said, peace, man. So he forgave you for throwing shit out of him. Yeah, it was not. Yeah, it was not really.

It was like, peace, brother. He was like, you know, man. So baby was like laughing. Like, you're a wild boy. And I'm like, yeah. And we kept it like that. It was nothing. Right.

He got killed in prison. Yeah, I know. He eventually got, he got it. Okay. So that's a long time, three years. What was the offer and what did you eventually end up? Did you take it to trial or did you take a plate? No, I didn't go to trial.

No, I went upstate. I took three to nine. Three to nine. Okay. Not bad for what you've already been involved in. Yeah, all the bullshit. Mm-hmm. Okay.

So three to nine. With the whole thing. What's that? I did the whole time. You maxed out? Yeah, and did more. Okay. Tell us, tell us about that.

What was that over? What is New York State prison like? We know what Rikers is like, but what were some of these institutions? You know, in the state is different. It's a physical. It's a physical punishment. It's like everything there is physical. It's not like affairs, and the affairs is mine.

It's your mental. They, it's different. And the fairs, they're smooth. You go to the bullpen. The bullpen don't have not one, not one graffiti artist, not one thing on the water that says, kill old rats or never come back to jail. Or Lisa and Pablo.

and all that. You know, it's clean, it's, it's all, they talk to you, nice, what you want to eat,

sir, you want to eat, what you want to eat, what you want to eat, let me get, don't eat, let me get a turkey and cheese sandwich with,

what you want to drink. That's right. You know, like all that, but they keep you a hundred years. Right. You know what I'm saying? Right.

The same thing in the fairs, when there's a problem, is deaf. Right. And in the state, the difference is you get cut in the face, you get stabbed. A lot of those,

you get stabs, cuts. It's not too much deaf killing Where, you know, man down He just killed somebody in the yard yesterday Two days ago they killed somebody else in the yard Not what you see in the penitentiary in the feds. In the feds.

I was in Lewisburg. You know what I mean? So he ain't get there yet, but it's a different, you know what I mean? So you just, it sounds like state prison It's kind of just a bigger Rikers Island In terms of people getting opened up And you might put the beats on somebody here. Some people, you know, man down now and then

Yeah. You know, every what year? You know, two guys die, probably one. Not like in the fast. But what were you doing to max your time out in the state and get more time? I was just fucking fucking bug. I was in the yard. I'm in the yard.

When I'm in the yard, I've been in a yard. When I was on Raggers Island, I was in a yard. I, you know, I was regulating from day one, like, you know, the guys that was like the shooters, the gangsters, the guys that went up going to jail. that it was some guys they killers and shooters in the street they go to jail they're pussy they'll fucking want to do shit they don't want no smoke oh they don't got no gun they don't want no problem you know what I was like that that guy that in jail I was like it was like I was comfortable I was like oh shit I'm cool I'm here like let me just get let me do the best of it I was exploring and I was like lack of education I didn't I didn't know how to write read

I was just like a fucking animal I was just really wow You know what I'm saying So any little given thing But I was wow But I had my morals and principles in order You know what I'm saying I was real respected

The older guys that was in prison With me from my neighborhood That was gangster They respected me They were like This was that guy He's not pussy He represent

He represent in the fucking neighborhood He's true hip You know They was all like You know Like I didn't No I didn't turn shit Like I didn't

Make a lot of things Happen on the island Like I've been in units They got transferred to other police Transferring me to another unit With all my guys that I was from my neighborhood They're all black And before I go up state to New York

And before I go up state You know, to do my time And stood there And I was supposed to just wait there Until they picked me up to go up state And I'll go there for one day And I wake up all the Spanish guys You run the phone

And all my black phones What are you doing Pete? But you got the black phone We're going to give it to you Take the phone. We love you We broke night The whole night looking at pictures Look at POS!

You know the whole fucking night Now the daytime come, I'm like, I need the phone. They're like, Pete, you got the black phone. No, that's okay, but I'm not black. Yes, you are. Yes, I know I'm black too. But I need a Spanish phone. You know what I'm saying?

And I'm like, who runs the phone? And I'm waking up all the guys. What's up? I'm like, you know, I'm saying, you go on the telephone. What's up? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, we need to talk. Who else?

This guy here? Yo, and I walk everybody up there. The whole fucking house formed on me. The whole Spanish formed on me. and I took and I had two raises in my hand and I said let's go to the back and I went to the back and I had a fight my way all the way back to the front

I had all my black friends fighting all the Spanish they gave my man chocolate with a black guy in the TV room he's in there fighting like three three Spanish guys I had a whole bunch of Spanish guys coming to me I got two raises I'm like this shut I'm backed up in the car I didn't know the whole house is going to come the whole

the whole Spanish came we rushed out the fucking door we was rushing so it was it was it was a It was a dorm. So it's like a bet, a locker, a back, a locker, a bed, a back. Until you get to the bubble where the police is at. It's a door.

And the bubble was right over. They can see you. Feel me? So now we got to run all the way to the fucking front because there's too many of the motherfuckers. And I'm like, shit, I already lost one razor. So I'm only had one razor. And I'm like, what's up?

So I started jumping from bed to bed to get to the front. And my boys as well, They was coming to, jumping up, and I slipped off one. Boom, I got stabbed by here in my head. You know what I'm saying? He stabbed me by here, and I got stabbed my back. He stabbed me in my back. I didn't, I didn't, you don't feel it because you're,

the rush, you know, it's going on. So I get to the front, the police don't open the door. The whole unit coming, I'm like, this, what's up? What's up? I'm swinging that dudes. What's up? They're like, but they're like with their knife, but they're not getting close. I'm like, what's up? So, the riot squad finally get there. They open the door.

we come out the fucking hallway getting us the fucking wall I got the raising my hand like this boy get it just the fucking wall we ought to war me my man chalk my man uh shack and

two other guys that we was having issues with Spanish guy holy searching me ta-da-da-da-la bon get the fuck against the wall Shaq tells me you bleeding I go like this what I'm bleeding you see I started feeling the heat

the blood coming down my like my head like the shit coming down I'm like, oh, so soon as I went like this, and I saw the blood, I got off the fucking, I got off my, I got off the wall, and I went over there with a guy with, I went, jumped up, jumped up, went over there where the guy is at,

that there was with the other, with the other guy, and cut him. And they fucked me up. The police. Of course. I mean, they, I would have. I went to the hospital after that. Wow. And, bro, and that cops, that, that was those days that they were just,

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Like, these are the consequences of me being bullied. You know, I've been shot. You know, I got stabbed. I was, I just learned, I just, It was just like a warrior, man. You're relentless. You sound like an organizer. Yeah.

Like, you know, it stands to kind of what you do now, what you did with the records and with the rap and you're a natural, like, leader. But you're using your powers for bad in these days. Yes. Now I use it for good. Right, right. Okay. Now, you know, not to cut you up, but you know, you know, the show Ray Donovan. Yeah.

All right. So I'm Yab Donovan. Yeah. Is that is that it? Yapped on of it? Yes. It's going to be yad down because I fixed problems. A lot.

You fixed things. You caused a lot too. I saved a lot of people who asked. Yeah. Where? In jail? Or on the fucking street. Forget about jail.

Right. In the street. I saved a lot of people ass. Okay. So what did, it sounds like when you were upstate your first time, this is the 80s coming into the 90s. This is when you became a man. You grew up a little bit.

But how did you, how did you catch more time? Just, I was, I got caught I think I got caught with a it was I think it was somebody got caught somebody got stabbed

and then I got caught with the weapon What kind of weapon? It was a knife like the fucking like a, like a bangor like a you know

Some shit that would kill you Like a bone crusher or something like that Yeah exactly Okay Huh yeah that's a big boy knife Yeah so they're You know they charge me

And stuff like that And Okay You know those those Those Of state is different They're all cousins Billy, Bob, John,

the old cousins and sisters, this, that, and they even get more weird as they go up more, no, if they fucking become more weird, they're related and cousins and all kind of weird shit. So, you know, so you go to court, it's like, you better take whatever you can. Right, right, because they know the judge. Of course, man, what so, Bob?

Hey, how you do? You ate breakfast? These things, bring you? Trust me, so you, fuck. So, you know, you get whatever you get. You get like eight months a year, running concurrent, whatever. I'm going to take it.

Take whatever. Let me take that. What year did you come home? I came home in 2002. No, from the state? No. When did you come home from the state? I'm talking about the state.

No, I came home from the state 2005. I don't get it. I thought you did 10 years in 89. No, 89, I came home in 2002. Okay, so off of a 5 to 9, you did 13 years? I did. From 89. Yeah.

Let me mind. The first time I was right of Iraqis Island. I came home. I came out and went back, 88. So we go count 88. Then he gave me credit for 87. Right. I was dead, but I got out.

Okay. And it was over. No more bearing out. $1.000. Right. Over, nigga. Yeah. Seriously.

Yeah. No bond. Yeah, exactly. So 88. And Delma came home in 2000. Okay. So you didn't see the streets at all in the 90s. No.

Okay. No, 92 or 91. I was in the box. I was supposed to do three. Hell no. Wow. Okay. The box.

Okay. So at this time in the 90s is when Terror Squad, Big Pond, first Fat Joe, who actually put on Big Pond. People forget that. They explode. They blow up. They put on for the South Bronx. They pop in a big. Right.

You know, I'm coming home. I'm like, shit. Wow, it's just looking good. Did you know the, did you know before you went in when you were still a teenager? You knew Joe. Yes. Okay. How did you guys?

meet back of the day. How do you and Joe meet? He was new true street shit. You know, everybody, do I think getting money to selling drugs. Everybody in the neighborhood doing their own thing. And it was like Joe hustling over there. You know, he's hustling over there. Joe had beef with my guys from my neighborhoods, part of them. And I have to see the squad shit.

Yo, hold up. That's Joe. It's family too. Woo-woo. His brother was that guy, money man, let him rest in peace. You know? All right. He got killed?

No, he died. Diabetes. He just passed away. That's the cold most of them. Okay. Yeah. Oh, wow. Okay.

So Joe, I think he was really that dude. Like, he was really handling weight in the street. Yeah. Well, you know, he was just like a regular hustler, man. Everybody was out there just hustling and surviving. It's not about him having weight, this, that, or being the man. He was no king picking or not like that, but he was out there hustling. You know, he was out there hustling, beating people up, you know, doing regular shit.

Right. Selling crack. You know, he just managed to just get into. rap and left this shit alone and he was able to save himself right you know what I'm saying and rap saved them because that kept them from going to jail right you know what I'm saying

so he never went to jail yes he went to jail now he went to jail like you know he went to the fairs he did four months in the fast right over some like tax shit some bad that's such a bullshit fucking bullshit that he didn't do either you know his accountant took off with his money god damn yeah you gotta have lawyers

and accountants watching other accounts. Shit is weird, man. When you got out of money, there's more money, more problems. So he never, but he didn't do a bid in the street back of the day. He dodged that, man. He's a sharp, he's a sharp cat. He turned his life around. Yeah.

You know, he's been shot. He's been stabbed. You know, he's been through some shit. And he just turned around and started rapping and never looked back. So, but did you, when you went away, it sounds like you guys knew each other casually, but you weren't part of a crew yet. No. Okay. So when you get home in 2002, he embraced me.

Really? Yeah, I was in the street. I was getting money in the street. I started doing my thing in the street. You know what I'm saying? And tell us about that a little bit. You know, I started getting money in the street, started extorting people with everybody, everybody paying rent. Everybody do it. I had a team of fucking, I had a whole team collecting rent from all that, all the kind of places, you know, from individuals, all kind of drug dealers. Wow. And all that. So, and I used to take, obviously, the money.

And, yo, where y'all guys at? Yo, we in Miami. I'll be up to see tomorrow. Fooosh. Fly out, catch up with him, with pun. Yo, we're going to Orlando. Fly out there. Yo, what's up?

And we knew each other. We always had that brotherhood. We always had that neutral understanding and love, you know, and respect for each other. So when he blew up and became who he was, I just came along. I just was like, I jumped on a plane. But I was still doing my thing on the street. Right. But he didn't know another about.

about it. He just was like, he was happy for me to be around. And he always talked to me about doing the right shit. He always had. You know what I'm saying? I just never listen. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, but, um, and, you know, it used to be until I, until that day came and the first came to get me. And, um, so you got out after a fucking 13 year stretch. And it doesn't sound like you behave for long. No, I came home and, you know, some, so a lot of people, People come home out of jail. Come out of jail and either you have a chip in your shoulder. You feel like, you know, you should have been handled it to you.

Right. You know, or you should have, you know, or things this guy should have looked out for me more. And, you know, so it was like, I didn't look at it like that. But a lot of people get that. My point was, I'm out here now and then I see all these fucking punks getting money. And these niggas ain't lived the life that I live. Yeah. Tell us about how the Bronx had changed from 87.

88, 89 to 2002. Oh, it fucking changed. It was, I was like, what the fuck? It was like, wow. But it was, I felt, I felt like it was going fast. I was moving too quick. You know what I'm saying? Everybody getting money. You know, everybody

doing their own thing. Oh, this guy is over here. He's, you know, this guy, he, oh, don't jump in the car with him. I already's doing bad things. I'm like, yeah, but he's my child friend. I'm not thinking that. He's picking me up, taking me out to go eat champagne, buy me full clothes, this, that. I'm like, who gives a fuck, what are he doing? You know what I was just on my own lane since day one?

And I was like, you know what, what's this guy doing across the street? What this guy over here? What he's selling? What's this dude's getting? And I just started forming, I started plotting and said, you know what? These guys got to pay rent. They want to sell them my neighborhood. I was raised in this neighborhood.

I shed blood and no kind of tears for this bitch. These little dudes, these guys here got to pay rent. And that's what I did. So you're back in Cyprus. Yeah, I'm back in Cyprus. I'm extorting people on my old building that I lived in, I lived for a long time. 600. I'm extorting. I'm having people pay rent. Obviously one drug dealer get caught. They're like, oh, by the way, we're getting extorted by pistol pee. They're like, oh, what?

Fentz is like, oh, shit, ready? Bingo. We finally got somebody going to actually bring this guy. They started licking their chops. Right. So they're like, oh, they're excited and they put wires on. And how was the drug money in the early 2000s? Was it still pretty good up there in the Bronx? Was it still crack or was it becoming more coke and hair on? It was more like coke and fucking taran. What about, what about weed? Was the good weed? Because by now, like, that's when Hayes started popping.

No attention. A lot of money in weed. I know. I mean, I just never really paid no, no, like, never really gave a fuck about it because I just started smoking at 40. Right. So you didn't start, like, there were no weed dealers. Like, you know, Hayes was starting to pop out of Harlem.

So did that make it up to the Bronx? You weren't extorting any Hayes dealers or anything like that. Honestly, I didn't even, I didn't, the majority of the people, like, I didn't even give a fuck what they sold. Like, you just in my neighborhood. with her, you got to pay rent. Wow. You got to give me 5 Gs.

He got to give me 5 Gs. How much are you making a date? Yeah, he's making a lot. Go over, he's giving a hard time. Go over and shut them down. Go out, send some guys over there. They take all their drugs. They break them all up.

Throw it in the ground. Tell them, yo, tell your boss, contact Pete. You know what I'm saying? If you want to keep out here, the guy finally come back, yo, trying to give me a hard time. Yo, what's up? You want, yo, I'm not giving shit. You're not giving a shit.

All right, go in the block. And then they finally break down. Okay, how much you want? give me 4 Gs a month. Four Gs a week. I mean, and I used to collect all the money. Wow.

And how much, how much could you extort per week? What was like a decent week? I mean, every week, you know, I was making a couple thousand. I mean,

like, a couple. I was making a lot. A lot more dollars. Come on, dude. This is a blog ago. Please be honest. I was making,

I mean, I was coming. I was good. It was, you know, even if you may, from a couple spots, 40, 50 is great for one day. But one week,

you know, it's great. But I used to take care of my guys. I used to take care of my guys that collect the rent for me I used to feed them I used to make sure everybody gets paid and I never had an issue with somebody being or fucking up because I took care everybody

So you were now making real money Yeah for a little bit for six months Wow that's it That's all it took free The fence came and got me I became Bronx most wanted What does that even mean? Like you're on the news Yeah I was on Channel 67

Channel 67 I'm watching my son Like shit my heart I was like yo old I take a shit How much? How many kids do you have by this time? Man, that's crazy. Every time I come by kids, it's like, shit.

I got so many kids. How's that possible? You've only been on the streets for like a couple of years of your life. How do you have all these kids? It's Puerto Rican, I guess. Puerto Rican magic. For real, I have two kids, two Bay Mons pregnant before I went to jail. You know, oh, man, I got seven Bay Mons.

God damn. So that's where the extortion comes from is you got to pay, you know, you got a high overhead. I get that money I can feed his kids Wow Okay so What happened to Joe and them See that

See that you were on The fucking channel Six or seven news Not only that When they came to pick me up In the Bronx They came with helicopters And I was the talk

Of the fucking bra They was like Yo Joe Joe and it was that But where Pete that But oh my God But the helicopter I heard the helicopters

Came over there And then this dad And none of that So This This is tricky story, but I'm not going to get into a detail on it. But the thing is that when they came to get me, I was gone.

You know what I'm saying? And the fairs always want to find out how the fuck I was gone. And they quite almost 100% know that I was in the building. They was like, how the fuck this guy got away and whatever. But, you know, and it became like a little issue with them. Every time they picked me up from the fairs, the fairs is to pick me up, take me to the state to the court and bring me back. They used to be that, bam, how fuck you got away on this?

Because I looked at the Pico, it was like, I looked at the Pico, I was like, it was the D-A, A-TF, and the MBI. I said to be all three of your motherfuck. I'm like, I'm in trouble. And I got away. How did you get away? That's the trick. I can't talk about this shit, man. No, yes, you can.

Yes, you are you fucking kidding me. I don't have away, man. You are not. I was gone. I just went like this and I was gone. No, we're not. They was fucked up for a long time. It was like, you, pahua and who.

And it was so weird. It was like, but no way, Pete, what the fuck? The fed is just ride up with me and be like, you want, what you want to eat, man? You want something to eat? Just tell us, man, how the fuck you got to wait? Because we was all like going nuts. Because we had a helicopter. We had the whole shit surrounded.

We had everything there. We knew that you was there. How the fuck you got to wait? And I'll be like, I went like this. And they was like. Okay, so how long are you on the run for? I was on the run for. six months.

Oh, wow. I made another kid through there, my son Dylan. Wow. Okay, so you don't waste time, but you were on the run for six months. Did you leave New York, or were you still in the Bronx? No, I can tell you this part, right? I wound up in a place with a guy that I met at around the corner from where my kids' moms was at. It was a car wash.

And then when I used to always go take my car out of the garage, I always had fly. cars. I always drive nice cars, you know. So I take my car out. And right around the corner, boom, it's the car wash. Right? The hand car wash always been there. So I go in there and there's the guys take care of my car, boom, boom, boom. I got my kids' mom

in the car. And she was in my kids' mom that time. And she was my girl. And she's in the car. And she steps out the car, boom, point they're going clean the and then I see this kid that's standing up. out more than other guys in the car wash. And I'm saying to myself, like, it's bad for me to say, but I was like, then this guy is like, he don't belong in his fucking car wash.

Like, this guy, like a tattooed, like a Puerto Rican kid, like a regular. So I'm like, yo, man, he was like, what's up, man? I know who you, well, you're pissed to, right? I was like, what's up, man? What are you doing, man? You work here?

He was like, he had the uniform and he had the shirt. He was like, yeah, I work here. I just came home. You know what I'm working, man. You know what I got to do the right day? I live with my grandma. My grandma's like 80-something years old, you know. And I was like, yeah.

I was like, Dan, so how long you've been here? So I've been here like a week, you know? I was like, yeah. I said, well, tell your boys you're going to quit and give him your shirt and tell him you're going to quit. You're going to come in the car with me. My baby, Maas, is fighting with me. And she's like, what are you doing? Don't know.

To go no such a macho. And I'm like, don't worry about that. Like, shut the fuck up. Like, I got this. You don't say, don't worry about. I was like, yo, come on, he cleaned the car. Boom, he jumped in my car. I went back to my crib

took the nigger back to my crib Get that nigga like two boxes of clothes Put him like four G's And he took him to And he took me to his house Boom I went to his house Boom he said

This is where I live I live on the second floor And this is And I lived there with my mother My grandma She raised me My grandma mother died My grandma's like 80 years old

And I was like cool I got you You know You know whenever you need me Whenever you need something You call me He was like Bet

All right? And I never brought him around nobody. And the day that I needed him, I knocked in his fucking door with no shirt on and say, yo, I need you. He said, come inside. My grandmother came out, gave me some food. She said, you stay here. I went.

I bought a pull-up ball and I stayed there. And I put a lot. I full. I stayed. And I stayed there. They took care me. They was like, yeah, we love you. Wow.

And were you able to operate while you were on in hiding? Like, were you still able to make shit happen? I got comfortable. I started going outside to the clubs and fucking got into a big. problem in the club and that's how I got caught because I went to another after the club I went to a fucking

I went to another I went to Steppens it's in the Bronx you know what I'm saying you know step is in the Bronx in the diner so and Parchester Pellon Park Park so it's so it's a diner that everybody goes to so I went there

everybody went there but I'm on the run for the feds right remember this so I'm in I'm on clubbing at night I come out now I left I left the house and got myself another place on the down low somewhere East Tremor

where they got like these little houses in the corner block and I got a room and then people used to come see me like my baby malls take three trains the bus this that before they come because the fans are follow up for a while

all kind of shit before they make it so and I used to come out at night and go to the club with the fellas and shit happened in the club and I fucking got it popping with some two and I had them by the chain and beat them up and whatever. We left the club. We went to go eat and instead of me going to

my back home, back to my little hole, I was at, well, guys, yo, we ain't, we need step-ins. We're going to go to step. We're going to go eat breakfast. And I'm fucking feeling tipsy. I'm hungry. I'm like, let's go. I was, so I went in there eating and la-da-da-da-da-da. Some dudes come in. Crazy, man. God.

The devil would be fucking out there. The guys came over. He was like, what's up, man? You're sitting here? And I'm like, huh? I'm like, yeah. Well, what's up? We say, all right, because we usually sit here and this day. I'm like, my man, but we're sitting here. He said, yeah, but I'm like, all right, but he was kind of dizzy and drunk. I was like, so I was like, so then my boy, one of my brothers, he looked at me.

I'm like, he came, picked up the chair, hit the guy, boom, it was on. So now I turned a fight into a robbery. So I'm, if I'm fighting you, I'm trying to take all your shit. So I took all the jury on feet. I take all they shit in front of the club. Like, give me a fucking shit. Punk, get the fuck out of here. I had all they changed in my, they're juries in my, like, they changed in my pocket.

And then everybody voted because the police came. We took the whole fucking place up. Wow. And then we, everybody ran this way, that way. I got my baby mom's, come on, come on, come on. We over there by the projects. And I'm walking up. And I'm like, come on, come on, we got to go.

And I'm like, all, we're cool. You know, the cops coming by, woo. And the fucking blue and white car came. He had the guy in the back. He got was like, and they came. point he came to me. And I was my baby moms. I told her, keep walking.

Because I didn't want to get in trouble with the fares. And I like that. So I told her, yo, leave. Right? So I came, she kept going. I went up to the police. He said, get against the wall. He took, to search me and shit.

So when he went to search me, I pushed the police and ran. I was so fucking out of shape. I was a fat fuck drinking. I believe you. You hear me? I jumped through this fucking building for one building to another. It's another been in the fact. I had a dog chased me.

I'm in the back of somebody building. at back out is a bunch of houses I'm in the back of fucking I'm like this I couldn't even fuck it I'm like I was like fuck it man I thought it's so fucked up

that I was like fuck it man they just hold this industry go get me man I'm gonna die of a heart attack anyway I thought I was fucking and then I took the jury

and somebody woke up the next day and back y'all oh my god I got some good chains I left the fucking I left the fucking the jury you were on yeah and the fucking somebody's back y'all so I hear the hell

I'm hearing all kind of shit. I'm like, oh my God. Am I bugging out? I was nervous. I was scared. I was really tired, though. I was like, fuck. He came.

I tried to jump over one over the gate, and they came, they grabbed me, boom. They came, freeze, freeze. Boom, they handcuffed me. Boom, I was like, I was talking shit. Fuck me. So they came, they handcuffed me to my back. They put the little zip, a little zip.

And I was, like, I was, like I was, like, man, they was that, what's your name? I was like, Julia Carrera. Who did you? Carrara, you know what I'm saying? I was my... Who did it, Carrara? And there was the high, cool, the boon.

And then they let me. I was fighting. Beefers, talking, said, shut up, talking shit. I don't know. What the fuck? I was drunk. And I was talking shit.

The biggest left to me with the end. And I said, yo said, bro, we're not going to take the, the thing all because you were a little bit, like, under the influence. Then we're going to let you calm down. And I went, and I fell asleep for a little while in the movements. Boy, I got arrested with two other guys. And we knew these guys. These guys were Dominican and I didn't know these guys.

But they was with us. There was one of the guys. They was with the fellas, right? And I didn't know who the fuck these guys was or nothing. And we went to court. Not before, I'm in the bullpen. I'm fucking, I'm like, shit. I'm like, oh, man, fuck.

So I'm a little bit still tipsy. I come in and the, it's only, I'm in the cell. So it's bars. Some of the bars be having like little chips, like little metal sticking out. I started scraping my fucking. my finger prints. All of them like this. Boy, I'm fucking up on my fingerprints, right?

They take me out for fingerprint. They didn't get it. I'm like, all right, cool. I'm back in the cell. I'm like, oh, man, I'm like, shit. Oh, man, this shit gonna go right? They're going to let me go. I'm like, man.

So I'm like, I'm nervous, right? And then they came back and said, nah, I really know the next trick, though. The next trick is we're going to take you to 161st and then we're going to fingerprint you there again. Because that's what happens. When you go there, they got the digital shit. You know?

The official shit now. So they was that we're going to pick you and we're going to do it again. I was like, all right, no problem. We went there again. Boom. They finger pit me again. They did all that.

Boom. I was in the bullpen with the kids, with the dudes. And I don't know the guys. I told them, listen, this was going to happen. We're going to go in there. If they find out who I am,

then I'm going to tell them that you don't got nothing to do with it. And your guys is a freak. I'm going to tell them that I did the robbery and all that. I'm going to jail. And I'm going to fast. don't worry about it. It was like this.

One of the guys that I was telling that to was super rich. He's like this. That he's like, huh? Yeah, this guy's all right. He's like, yeah. He's Dominican kid. Word. When I came home, we tried to give me all kind of shit.

I just didn't take it because I don't know where he came from. So I'm good. Yeah, I just don't know his, you know. So I was like, I'm good. I already know my lesson. I'm smart now. You know, he'll get rid of free money. So I'm like, he was like,

yo you sure I was like pa don't you're saying you're saying I'm saying I'm going to say like I'm going to say like I'm because you know you know you're talking I'm running from the feds if they find out and I'm not coming home I'm telling them right there yo these two guys don't know anything I did all the fucking shit up there boom so I go up there

to the judge they say uh yeah um Julio Carrera aka Peter Torres known for FBI the FBI the FBI Vobo looking for bone Bronx most wanted to all kind of I was like, Your Honor, I was like, I'm fine, I'm cool.

I already knew. My family was in the back. They was like, I already know. So, and then my, the guys is there. The other two guys, my cold defenders. And I was like, yo, I like to say, So y'allel, these guys here, they ain't have nothing to do with what I'm charged with.

You know what I'm saying right now? What I'm being charged with, the assault and robbery, all this. These guys don't know nothing about it. They're innocent. And they went back and they let them go. They're there. The niggas beat it.

Wow. You were a fascinating guy. And they took me in. And that was it. They took me to the fans and the fans came and picked me up. So now you're sitting at MCC downtown? Yeah, I'm in MCC. I'm an MCC new.

I'm like, what the fuck is this new adventure? I'm a fucking animal and this shit looking all clean. Yeah. The walls is fucking, it was brand new. I'm like, and they treated me with so. How you doing? How's everything? You okay?

Handcuffs, it's not tight. This stuff. You're right? Torres, Pete, hey, pistol, you good? Hey, Peter Torres, you okay? You good, you're good, you're good, you're good, you're good, you're good, you're little tired, shit like that, you want a little pillow sign, you're good. Hey, what you want to eat?

I was like, huh? I was like, turkey and cheese sandwich was drunk, a Sprite. They was like, okay, sure, yo, get them a Sprite, get me as an order sandwich, just, I'm like, they treat you good before they get a hundred years. You get a hundred years. The bingers will rock you, so I'm like, I went to court, the miggas like, she said, Who the fuck you think you are? I have the judge that sent his boy George.

You know what I'm saying? She was fucking tough as fuck. She didn't give a fuck. She said, bring the kid outside the courtroom. She didn't give a fuck about the newborn, this, dad. I try to go in there with the whole newborn and this dad. That shit, do not work in the affairs. He was like, yeah, like who the hell you think you are?

Manipulating us. Appellate to the society. Because, yes, we know that you extorted. You did that. Yeah. and we know that you say that yeah, you gave it, you gave back because I did a lot of good shit.

I gave people TVs. I was like Robin Hood in my neighborhood. I bought people that their kids was crackheads, their moms sold, they said, son sold the TV, beat them up and buy her TV again. I was doing a lot of other shit like that. I had a,

when I went to court for centuries, I had a fucking list of neighborhoods that was like that broke petitioner. Like, Pistu's not that guy. He was fucking awesome. So you weren't, you weren't extorting ordinary people,

civilians. It was just drug dealers. Drug dealers. Right. That's it. Okay, so, but you had... I never thought I'd go to jail for extorting drug dealers. Yeah, they tell.

No. Drug dealers call the cops. But that's not why you go to jail. It only becomes a federal charge because, because some of the roads, it says bugged out. Some of the roles in the streets are related. It's federal, I don't know what the fuck. Hang on, no. Are you, no, hang on.

Let's just talk about this. All right. What were you charges? Tell us what your charges. Extortion. Extortion. Extortioning drug dealer. So is it racketeering?

No. It was just, I was simply, though. The only thing is, is because it was interstate commerce. It was, that's why. I see. Interstate commerce. So were you hitting trucks? No, it was just, I was benefiting off the proceeds that was coming from out of town.

It was the drugs. I was getting the money off the proceeds. Right. So they sell the drugs and I take the money. I was living off the money of the drugs. Were your, and also you were having, you were sending groups of people to do it for you, which also makes it federal. You know what I mean?

you are doing it yourself at the end. Me and one guy got caught. Me and my one guy, I don't know, one cold defended. Right. Everybody, nobody, there was a bunch of people. Like, obviously, we didn't tell. So we didn't bring the whole rest of the fucking crew down. Right.

It was just me and him. And the crew didn't tell on you? No, they never got caught because we never told. Right. Okay. And the only one they really wanted was me. And the only really got my cold defender because he had a big mouth at that point. He's the one that really was talking too much.

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Okay, so now you're facing what? What are you looking at? What is pretrial? Well, I just went to 20 years. Okay, that's what it was looking up to. Yeah. And then they can enhance me, you know, they got all that, you know, the state guidelines, federal guidelines.

I mean, you know, if you have two funnities pride, then it goes down to level seven and, you know, that 20 years turned into 34 years. Oh, so they can use your, they can use your rap sheet from the state to send you in the feds? Yeah, they use all that shit. They can fucking rock you for that shit. why I had to fight the most because I was a member. I was a fucking maniac in the state.

So it's like now I got to prove myself to, I had fucking two pops lawyer. I forgot the fucking guy's name. He's my lawyer. He was like, he was like, Pete, you just remind me a two pop,

bro, like you're fucking crazy. You know, but I was always straight up with him. You know, he was like, yo, we're gonna go. And he was there for me.

And I had a lot of guys that was there facing a lot of time with me, a lot of crews, a lot of different crews from different areas. They was all in jail with me. And a lot of guys was experienced. They was in jail before me. And they helped me.

They was that you're going to be okay, Pete. You're here for extortion. As long as they don't bring nothing else up. You know what I'm saying? As long as you don't come up with nothing else and nothing else pop up and all that, then you're going to drag this along. And then if they started helping me out, because I didn't know, I didn't know the fucking Lord.

I didn't know the fair Lord and this, that the state guidelines, double two, this that. And I'm like, what the fuck of these people doing? When I got to fucking MCC and it took me to a unit, the first unit that they took me in, I didn't even come out the fucking took me to a regular unit like where population is that

when everybody got cells and they watch the TV room and all that when they took me it was locking time they took me to the cell and the morning everybody's cell

open up and said my I was like hey myself the fucking the fucking sergeant the fucking war encumber say I'm sorry Pete

you're going to the hole buddy I'm like the hole for what people scare the death for you they don't want you in this unit I'm like here we go I just got to the fast

How wild is that cats are already calling in telling them, no, we're not being with this dude. So what happened was, they gave me a break, and they let me out. And they took me to the hole, and I stood in the hole for like a month. And then they let me go back to the population. And then what they knew was going to happen was going to happen.

I ran into other people that was telling on my one of my, on other people that I knew and I was beating them up. Wow. In the MCC population. Yeah, this not, she's the one that telling him on this thing. You're going on you. What you knew you and P? I'm a nine, nine north. Oh, this thing is over there.

It's ton of me. but yeah, well, that's him? I got it. So I go back, beat them up, and shake them out the fucking unit. And they started give me instruction charges

and the players was getting mad at me. Okay, so did that? Was your lawyer like, what the fuck are you doing? You're not making it easy for me. I was going through the old courthouse. I was going through the one with Sammy the Bull used to go to.

Man, man, I used to drive them crazy. You know, I used to drive them crazy. It used to be like, this guy's fucking different. And I was like, at the same time, cool, because the CEOs love me, The Warshotos, they're like, you're a fucking trip.

But at the same time I was, and then that's when I started, Kill All Rats. Okay. So, yes, Kill All Rats. One of the, one of the best songs on that Fat Joe album, can't remember the name of the album now. But it's, it's a brand that's popped up in hip hop since that era. Explain, and you're the creator of it. It's a cool acronym, K-A-R, Kill All Rats. What the fuck is that?

How did it start when you were in MCC? It's not a gang, first and foremost, it's a bunch of guys with morals and principals that all you all live by the same morals and principles. It's just like if you hear, you do what you do in your job and so your co-engineer something happened and he says, well, you did it. You're going to be like, what the fuck this pussy fucking told him.

You can kill all rats. You know, now you kill all right, you feel the same. I will kill him. I will kill my engineer, Chris, if he fucks this footage up. If he fucked this, exactly. So my point to you is, that so it was a bunch of guys with morals and principles and i used to they shipped me out to oldersville oldersville i don't want to jump forward here because we want to figure out how much

time you got and how you managed no no no no we're not you son of a bitch no we got you how did you dodge a life sentence and then we'll get into kill all rats like i think i didn't i mean i might have been did a lot of bad shit a lot of bullshit but i never really took it there to where where it'll cost me to cause my life. You know what I mean? Like where I'm, I paid for what I've done. I'm saying? Like, everything I've done is really what I did.

So everything else is like it would be bullshit. Like I was in the fairs, they was trying to bring other situations. Oh, but it was a shootout over here. This guy got done. This fucking rat motherfucker just saw me through the fucking window. And all of a sudden, I'm like, my lawyer's bringing me down and talking about, yo, this guy saw you. I'm like, ooh, this guy, who knows? He was joined an elevator and they saw you.

Now, he said he remembers something about you. And that's how the way their affairs are. Right. You know what it takes two or three, two more, and you go to jail. So I already know this game. So I'm like, oh, yeah? Well, he can suck my dick because I don't know what the fuck he's all. My lawyer was like, all right, bet.

So they can say, they can fuck them. Right, right. You're going to ignore it. As long as they don't come with nothing else. I was like, no, I don't got nothing to do with what I'm here for. Right. So how long did it take to get to sentencing? I was on, I was moving back from, I went to MCC to kick me out.

I went to MDC. they didn't want me MCC no more because I the same problem like Raggers Island I was in there yeah so I went from there

I went to MDC I met some other brothers in there a lot of other guys that's facing a lot of time a lot of famous guys I don't want to say the names but a lot of guys that they got a lot of time

I was with them I was in MDC MDC was cool I was all right there you know the girls are fucking send you panties to the fucking thing they show you out

you jerk off you send them it was fucking it was another movie with the girls downstairs and I'm like, what the fuck is this shit? And I ain't last long and then they shipped me to Odersville.

Oldersville was like, it's like, it's like, it's a jail. It's a jail. It's like a medium jail, but it's a max. But you go back and forth to court. So I want to go into Oldersville. And the Oldersville, that's when I was, that's when I was there for a while.

And, and when Killow Rats became a little big that I used to have to, they used to report. I used to have reports to see. S-I-S. You know what I'm saying? The investigation unit, the fans in jail.

They come in, they, like, if one of my guys that has a killer rat tattoo, beat somebody up or asking for his papers and how they got him in the box, the next day they call me. Hey, Pete, by the way,

we need you in the office. I'm like, okay, who did what? He said, oh, by the way, your guy, uh, fibbles, he just fucking beat this nigga up, asking for his paperwork. So called his shit.

He's in the box. What are you going to do, Pete? I said, him out the box. I got it. Whatever happened again. All right, Pete. boom you take them out the box and another occasion happened boom again pee hey what's up you know uh

it used to be like situations like that you know every time back and forth back and forth you know so kill all rats is becoming like a brand within the people that you associate with like no like people around me we'll put k a on the back of our chairs so everybody around me and in my tv because everybody had their tv so i used to i used to watch it out of soap popas you know what's i used to spanish shit right i'd be wise the soap opera all this bad, but in my back of my seat and it says, kill all rats. So when people come in there, like, don't talk to me,

you're fucking rat. You say, like, don't you already know, stay a fucking way. And everybody around me was like the campaign for this one, this case, the king's wasting life on this guy. Like, I wonder with a lot of guys, and at the end of the whole trip, I ended up at Lewisburg, with everybody that had life

and there wasn't coming home. I'm the only one in the table eating. They're like, Pete, how much time you got 25, right? I was like, I ain't got 25 years You know So you were basically You started really like Checking people

Checking people's paperwork Beating them up if they were rats They can't live in a unit with us Right Running people off Right They were doing that in the other units You know like the other guys

And then whoever became a killer Like it was like yo They'll be like yo kill all rats Because I get the tattoo pistol Like you know I'm official My paperwork I'm legit look Wow

Okay you get tattooing they can kill a rat So this was the same And this was the same era as like the stop snitching kind of brand came about. Yeah. Yeah, it is. Right. It's the same time. Yeah.

Right? Because there's so much telling coming out of that time. That's the same fucking time. It was the pushback. So that's why it was really crazy. Because I was jumping out of G4's, you know, you know, it was a G4, right? I was jumping out of the G4s like, kill all rats. I used to have, you know, they had the DVDs back and then they stopped smack DVD.

You know, all the hip-hop DVDs. I was with, like I saw I know all these guys. Nick Minnaws, Dre, we used to be in all the hot DVDs from up and coming, been in the hood. Yo, what up? Yo, what knows your boy, Pistoo, P, K-A-R, T-S? Shit like that. Right.

And then, you know, I finally came home after, you know, going through that stretch in the feds. I went to Louisbourg, you know, and people used to be like, you know, the guy sitting down like, damn, Pete, you know, like, what the fuck, you know? So was that an actual car in the, did you, did KIR become a car in the, the feds?

What you mean your call? Like, you know, they say that in some persons. You work out. Like that's my car. Okay, okay.

If you work and out, you want to jump because I used to, that was my thing in jail. I didn't know, we're talking to all this shit, but I didn't tell you I was one of the strongest guys in jail.

Like I got Plats, trophies. I was, bodybuilding. I was a fucking, I was doing 15, 20 reps. I was fucking lifting up squat

and 700. Nah. Okay. I was a beast. So, but KAR wasn't like, you know, like,

it wasn't an official, like gang. The feds didn't call it a gang. Oh man, it was no gang. It was a culture. That's it. It was just a way of living. That's it. It was just now we are, we are killing rats. You know what I'm saying? But that created a lot of problems, a lot of extra shit for me. You know what I'm saying? You know, and I was with the shits. And the fans, I was with the shit. I was already in Lewisburg. Like what I'm like, all right, well. Okay, so tell us what year you got sentenced finally. Hmm. Let's see. You got arrested in

2002, 2003? No, 96, remember? No, you told us you got out in the feds. Yeah, I'm talking about the feds, yeah. Yeah, the feds. So I went to the feds in 2000, no, let me see, FAS. It's always tricky when you ask a lifetime felon about years. Yeah, like I never really counted all.

I didn't know that, nah. Okay, so. I know I was, I got sentenced to 973 months to 973 months. You know, and the feds is different. How did you only give five? something years. Yeah. What?

What? That's what I got. How? That makes me mad. You deserved more time than that. And I'm not even a rat. But I'm a taxpaying citizen. Yeah.

So you... So I fought this shit for a long time for almost three years. And I was in the fans back and forth. The only thing I was around a bunch of guys that was there before me, they were really good with the law. And it was like, no, tell them this. And you got to fight this and your background on this. And you go. And what happened is they try to, they try to, they try to.

add the juvenile shit to my shit. That's when it was like at 15, 16 years. But once they knocked up the juvenile shit, that shit went down. Now your points are coming down. And she went all the way down. It was that, yo, 973 months, whatever, to 92 months. I was like, let's go.

Yeah, yeah. So, but the lawyer fees must have been brutal. Yeah, the lawyer loved me, man. He became to fucking, he was like, he used to, like, he used to be like, he was two-paw's lawyer, so he'd be like, you remind me so much the fucking two-pipe. You know, I used to, I used to, you know, I used to,

to have the extra super escort to come visit them. Like I was being treated special too. Right. So he'd be like, this motherfucker here. Like, what the fucking? And he was like, just chill out whatever you're doing here. You know what I'm saying? I used to tell me all the time, chill out whatever you're doing.

He don't talk to nobody about it by nothing. Just know that. And I was to be like, okay, cool, I got you. Don't tell nobody anything. And I'm cool, I got you. That's what he used to tell me. And then when, you know, when I took the time, she was like, you better ever, ever, never, ever, ever, ever, ever.

Right. So the judge knew that you were getting a sweet deal. She said, don't ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever come in here. Right. If you ever come here again, you never come ever, ever come home. Right. So you told me that. You dodged a racketeering.

Like, you basically got a lot of the shit, the serious, like, mafia-type shit. Yeah, yeah, I got all that shit off. You got all that off. Yeah. Wow. Okay. She must have, I don't know. They must have seen some in you, too, though.

I was gone, I knew I was bad plans. Because if not, I won't be going right now and doing all the great deeds and all the beautiful things that I do. Now I go back to Raggers Island. And I talk. I stopped. riots from happening. I have stopped. I went to Tennessee to stop fucking people from fucking each other and

like I'm doing shit that you can't do. I can't stop people from fucking. No, I'm just saying. I'm being or stabbing you or killing you. Now I went to Nassau, Tennessee, which is a different breed. No shit. Okay. All right? I went to a real fucking in this

fucking tough day. And I put and I put all ganges, all gangs that I'll even fucking know exist altogether in one room. And so the we're going to do guys this is what we're going to do and I told them what the fuck they're going to do and it was like this all right Pete and I sat down the war and that runs the fucking

jail told them you need to stop fucking going so let's give me upset you can't trigger that and I had to call him down wow I'm saying so if I was in jail I wouldn't be able to do all those things all these blessings man tell us about tell us about the last part of the journey which is the feds

this is the real deal is the big leagues they shoot you to Lewisburg you only have 90 some months What? What is that? How many years is that? Like six years, five to six years.

So how do you go to Lewisburgs where everybody is doing all day? You know, so I go to Lewisburg by fucking, my, my, my, my fucking Sully Mae, I fucking love him,

man, you know, he was, he had four life sentences, 135 years. I'm sitting in the table, we're going to the mess hall. He has nine life sentences.

This guy, nah, So I go there, they keep me in the box for fucking almost two months. When you first got there. I'm like, what the fuck? So I'm in Lewisburg. Now they, after, after a month, something was happening. They kept me there extra, I don't know, almost like, almost like a month and two weeks.

They took me. They have a, they have a program there where they, before they let you go to the population, they have a, it's like a unit, which is the war in, the captain, the lieutenant, the fucking CEO, the fuck. and everybody's the boss, the counselor of the, everybody's in one fucking long table and you sit right at the end of the table and you're in a jumpsuit from the box and they tell you take them off, take your shit off in front of all these people, you take it off

and you got one guy taking pictures of warrior tattoos. What does mean? What that mean? Oh shit, killer rights. We know about this. I'm like, oh, what's up with that? What that means? Oh, shit, that's fat Joe. Oh, shit, you got John God out of here, loyalty? Wow.

Oh, shit, this is, oh, so you? Okay, so you from, as we see you from this block here on Cyprus Avenue, da-la-la, this guy's here from CMC, this guys here from that crew from the here, they're here. Oh, but we see that you never told you're good. So you're good as far as that. You didn't tell. But do you have problems with these guys? And I'm like, no, I ain't got a problem with nobody.

Okay, don't go to the population. He's good. And then they'll prove it and let me go. So they basically strip you naked in front of like eight administrators? Before they let me go, it was a guy. I can't be telling you so much I'm writing my book and you know that I know this guy

that he was I was in the box I told you about for a month and like two weeks so we go out there there's a few guys in one set like in one big old cage you know three out of time

two over there three over there four over there whatever so one guy my one of my brother-in-law my ex-brother-in-law he's there yo what up peeps up

yo everybody know your pistol's in the building everybody talks a skier yo pisto niggas is like oh shit peace here So I'm in Lewisburg. I'm in who you were.

Wow. Yeah, I'm in a Louisburg. So now I'm in there like in the yard. I'm like, what's up? So I'm like feeling out, you know, just feeling a whole shit. I'm like, yeah, hi, cool, you know. So this guy starts talking to me usually it happens. You have a fucking dumb nigga that's a dumb.

I don't have no common sense. Yo, what's up? Yeah, my name is, you know, blahzy blah. Yo, by the way, I used to talk to your baby moms. You know what you want you to know. I'm like. Which one? The one that my brother was there, like his sister.

Oh, okay. Right? So he's, so, but I, I'm looking at him and I'm, and I'm, and I, I've been around the shits. I come from the slums. I can see through the bullshit. I know that he, you are a dope fiend or ex-dope fiend. I can look at it and know, dope. I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I told you, man, you know I worked.

You know I had that, you know, I used to work at spots. You know, I used to work at that, at that, uh, where they used to shoot up at that shooting gallery. So I know dope fiend. So I'm like, and not only that. that, my uncle's dope things, my, you know, a lot of people that are my friends. You know, they die from age, from dope and all that. So, like, I know. So I'm looking at him, like, you know, yeah, you got a little tattoos and shit.

So everybody caught up when they're down with gangs. You know, everybody wanted to be, you know, so he's a Latin king. You know, you're all the head. You know, these land king stuff and all that. I'm in there, like, yeah. He said, yeah, he said, you know, just letting you know what shit. I know who you are and all that, you know. And I'm like, and I'm not really trying to talk to him too much and all that.

because I'm trying to get a new start. But like, right now, so my brother had, my brother's love is like, he knows, he knows. So he's like, let me get this guy from his talk to Pete because Pete going to want to cutting him. So I'm with the shit's fast. Like, don't tell me those stories about you around my son and all. Like, my man, like, fuck you, I don't know you.

You know what I'm saying? So before I got out the box and I went to that unit before they let me go to the population, that guy, they fucking, damn, so filthy in the, y'all. They knocked them out, blow, and they fucking cut all his tattoos that say Lankin's on it. Man, oh my God. It was a fucking mess in the yard.

That's wild. Yeah, I was like, what the fuck the same dude? He's a lame. Yeah, see what happens? The shit came out. That he had told and this dad and whittalud and they knocked him out and they're fucking filthy. Well, everybody I've talked to in the feds, they always say in the feds, you cannot hide.

Like, they'll find you out. No, you can't do no stupid shit. That's what I told you. is different in the state than the feds. Yeah. And the state is you get cut, stab, stabb, stabb, look at me, I stab 19 people. You know, sometimes you almost kill somebody, but there's always stab me.

In the fairs, I got into an argument with the, as soon as I got there, the first week, I got into an argument over the fucking microwave, and the dude was like, what you said? I'm like, my man, my shit was there. You just jumped in, he was that year, but I ain't nobody was here and all this, and he just put his food before my shit,

and all that, my cellie came out, my fucking, his son-the-cell, that we roommate, cellies came out of the nigga, go, what's so? What's so? What's up? Would you ready to go? Let me know. All right? He's not going to talk about it. Tell me, just chill, Pete. What's up? What you want? Like, it's life and death.

Like, it's either, there's no disrespect. And I cut you. Is your disrespect? I'm, you man down. I'm stabbing you too. I'd kill you. Wow. So he was like, avoiding that. He was like, let me chill before that dude pull out a knife on people. You know, he gets so. He got into phase. He checked the dude. Like, yo. And I was like, cool. Was Lewisburg still wild when you got there?

It was deadly, man. It was deadly. It was deadly. It was deadly. killed. Our man Unique saw he was in the

mess hall and it was like the first day he saw a dude get a fucking knife like through the side of his throat wind pipe shit.

It was crazy loose in there but this is the penitentiary for real that was a real jail that's prison. What was some

wild shit? They feed you good right doesn't know what they do they give you all kind of chicken

you eat in a hot ball you get all kind of rice beans you know you got you go to soda machine they got

in the Donald all that, but you got a hundred years, you know, coming on. Keeping the animals at bay from turning on them and killing everybody. Fuck that. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So one of the good things was when I went to, before I went to Lewis Bird, I was in, I got to, you know, I've always been into working out when I was at stake.

So when I went to, when I went to the fairs, I was a monster, you know what I said? So I did a lot of shit that I used to, I used to have the Italian mafia, the Gambino family, all of them feeding me and all that. They used to place bets, $5,000, $2,000. His money in the affairs. You know, this down and the other, for me to walk around. The guy that whoever they claimed that just came into the jail,

you know, all the guys, we try to sick them on me. You know what I'm saying? Like if they're big black just got here from, you know, Pittsburgh. Yeah, Pittsburgh. He's from, you know, from Leavenworth. And he lifts up the whole gym. And I'm like, they like, when they want to sick them on me.

And obviously that, you know, their talent is more. to, you know, they aren't some bullshit. They don't give a fuck, but they own. They don't give a fuck about other racists or not a lot. They're very racist. You know what I'm saying? They really on some shit. Especially the older they are, the more racist they are. But they love me. They used to call me, come here.

Come here. Here, Pete. He fucking love you. I said, you better fucking do your thing. Don't let them fuck it. What do you mean when they say sick them on you? Like in the ones? Like, feed me and be like, get them because they used to bet against other dudes for money. And I used to walk around the baseball field with 315 and squat on

on each base and I used to come I used to get money I used to get money I used to get money I came home I took a private plane to go home

I didn't ask Joe nobody for nothing I had money I had like 20 grand I was and all from fucking living up I used to fucking go with 315

walk to the first go from first base to go from home first base squat one time go to second base squat one time go to third base

squat one time and they'll go back home and squat two times to the bucket boom and then we used to go, all right, and people used to be like, I'm going to do it. And until they get to like,

well, too, they get, oh, we can't. And then, then, yeah. So that was your hustle. That was my hustle. Besides, on a bench, on a bench, too, like, yo, how many reps you could do? What's up? You know, I used to have the bench where 315,

I used to be like, oh, what's up? Let's do it. Let's do 315. Well, we'll do it more. You know what I'm saying? We do 315. I'd be doing like 23 times, 24 time. Bound, blah, blah.

But I'm like a hundred and 80. I'm like a little look. Right. But I was, you're just cut up and I was strong as fuck. I was retar strength. Yes, sure, sure. That's the re-that-emmo strength. Okay, so you're, so by the time, and you got all your good time?

Yeah. No, I lost some good time in the fairs. Or what? Beating somebody up, shit like that. Oh, and I lost some good time for when I was in Oldersville. This happened in Oldersville. I got lost some good time in the visit room. I was, if I had a girl jerked me off

on the visit. And the fucking cop was fucking, he was a dick. And he was like the main cop, he was an asshole in the dude. And the whole jail, he was working in a visit. He don't like me either. He was like, what the fuck? And the girl's in the visiting room and fucking jerking me off. And he's like, what the fuck?

He went out to, he fucking disgusted, Pete. Get up. And I'm like, man, shut the fuck up. The talk to me. He's like, just, all right, just get up, man. The visit is terminated. And I'm like, all right. And then nothing.

He takes me to the box. And then the next day the warrant comes in, the captain, the people that runs the jail, they come in there, that Wisepee is in the cell. Oh, because we called him, the girl was jerking him off in the fucking visiting room. They're like, well, okay, give him a ticket, but he's not, he can't be in the box.

Because they, I'm killing a rat, man. I'm the guy that controls the whole fucking. Right. They're like, keep that nigga. It used to be like, Pete, you're getting out of the, the captains to be like, get in a package shit up. But that ticket, even before you were sentenced, followed you into your sentence.

You and shit. Yeah, it follows you and shit. And them you got to work it out and get your good time back and all that. But they, when I came home, when I came home, they gave me, they gave me some good time back. They gave me some good time. And they gave me five months in the halfway house. But they didn't want me in the Bronx because I'm too strong. So they sent me to Brooklyn.

Okay. So what was the, did you know, what year did you get out? What year did you come home? 2000. Surely you remember this. 2000 2005 no you only did three years

that math does a math 2007 yeah 2007 because I got in trouble 2007 though it was I got the fucking shit wrong but let me see

do you know how much time you did total in the feds after you got sentenced with the half house they gave me like six almost five months some chains a half house so I got like six years

It's just like, like, something of the shit like that. So you think you were locked up for like five and a half? Yeah, something like that. And it gave me halfway. Did you do the whole time at Lewisburg? No. I went in hell fucking, though. Thank God.

I went from Lewisburg to, uh, I went to some other, some other, uh, lowers, some other medium. Okay. And then I want to go back to Olderville. Why? That was just how? That's why I was trying to go at. Oh, I see. So I was putting in to go there.

And then I had the counselor in them over there. They love me over there. It was that we want you back. And they brought me back to Oldersville, and I went home from Oldersville. Okay. So you were on your good behavior. And I came back. I worked on the mess.

So I used to clean the windows. Yeah. I was on some of my other shaw was at. Yo, me, my niggas. I woke you up about Lewisburg. Right. What woke you up about Lewisburg? I went to the vision.

I was like, hell fucking no. What do you mean? Seeing everybody that was never getting out. I was like this. Like, you know, my girls over there. I'm like this. Right. Right.

Like, man, this is real. I got no contact with nothing. I'm like, Pete, you don't nuts. I woke up and then woke me up

like seeing the brothers that was around me that's never coming home and then I got into it with my roommate because he had a I never knew that a Bible

from the devil exists. What? Did you know that? God damn. This guy had a fuck I'm up there and being in the

he's a bunk so I'm in the top he's in the body so I'm there every night reading my Bible and I realize this I'm like, what Bible are you reading?

He said, oh, this is Satan Bible. You didn't know this? And I was like, what? Yeah. I never knew that shit. And I took his Bible and I threw it down the tear. Oh, wow. You got to be careful fucking around with a guy that reads Satan's Bible.

He'll kill you, bro. He was so fucking man. He picked up my Bible. I said, don't throw my Bible. He was that, that's what you need to be reading. He's like, he said, how you told my Bible? He said, you don't need that fucking Bible. Are you trying to get out of jail?

You got four lifetters and this is 135 years. What are you doing? Wow. So every time I used to come and sit down on months and break bread, I used to talk to them about positive shit. Yeah. Yo, go to church, man. You know what I'm saying?

Look forward. Like, you can't stay in the darkness. You got to be able to move forward and be able to... That shit woke me up. I was like, yo, you got to be able to fucking move different, man. The guys got to come home. You don't plan on coming home. You got night left since you put up.

But you want you to do, go to church, man. Go to ice, God, God. Jesus. And then I went to a couple times at church at Lewisburg. And I was just trying to get out the fucking unit. I was like, this is like, they really got me trapped. And I was like, oh, hell no. And in the fans, all I could do is find myself in a bigger hole.

Yep. So because they punish you mentally. Yeah. So you got to move right. You can't move on impulse. Everything can't be, let's do it. Right. You know what I'm saying?

They got to be like, oh, let's think different. Wow. The first time in your life that you haven't, you had to think before you reacted. Fuck yeah. The first time. Fuck yeah. I was like, man, I got to get the fuck out of Lewisburg. This is not it.

Yeah. And then I just did the right thing. I stood there for like, oh, yeah. Yeah. And I was, by the time I got me out of there, I was like almost like I was cool or whatever. Yeah. I was already in there, you know, at my lane, playing ball. I was into my working out.

Yeah, I was like, you know, into my whole thing. I was like, man, fuck it, man. I'm chilling. And then they shit me back. And then I ended up back in Lewisburg. Yeah. Back in Oldesville. I went home from Lewisburg.

I mean, I'm sorry, from Otisville. So you got out with some money. You got out with some clout. You came home to what? They should be to Brooklyn. I went to Brooklyn. I went to Marcy projects right across the street from Marcy where Jay-Z was raised to projects. There's nothing there.

It's the slums. It's the hood. I don't know Brooklyn. I'm like, what the fuck I'm doing? I'm like, I'm lost. I ain't going to lie. It was my biggest challenge, man. I never told that to nobody, man.

But that was my biggest challenge is coming home from the fair. and being in the half-house. That was the biggest challenge. Why? It was, oh, I never had a job in my life. You're like, damn, near 40 years old. Yeah, I'm like, what the fuck. And now I have to take two trains, two bus,

go to Long Island City, so a job. Lucky that I got one of my friends that's a big plumber that does big work for big companies. So I won up at Dwayne Reeves at the factory with their whole signal, where they put everything separate at the, you know, at the warehouse. Yeah. So they was doing the sprinklers, you know.

And they had the big left foot that takes you up there, and I'm scared of heights. And my day first one, he's in there and he's like, okay, Pete, this is what you got to do. You got to get up there. The fellow's going to show you, climb up there. They're going to show you the whole road. I'm like, I'm like, Leo. I'm like, you, I can't fucking. I'm scared of heights, bro.

He said, no, I just try to take it. You're going to have to, sometime. I know, because he felt like, you know, I'm pissed to Pete now. So he's like, he's my little. He's like, he's like, down. don't want to, you know, you're my big blow, but, you know, I need you to, you know, put some work sometimes, you know, I need you. And I'm like, I got it, you know.

And I started going up there. I'm going up there like a fucking park the shit moving. I'm like, oh my God. And every day, it was like the coldest winter, man. I read this book, the coldest winter. You ever heard of it? Yeah. I've heard of it.

Yeah. Coldest winter, man, it's a dope book. But I'm like, that was like the coldest fucking winter. I'm like, fucking freezing. I'm going to fucking three blocks down to go to fucking to fucking to take the train. the J train. I'm like, I'm like, I cannot, I'm not telling myself, am I really going to this?

Right. Like, I'm really, I'm like, and it's like, I'm going to all this, the bumble and going to work, coming out. And then I was ashamed. I was like, it was new to me. So I was ashamed because the job that I was doing, I was putting sprinkling, so you come, you'd be sweating.

So I used to have, I used to wear a do rag, you know, because, you know, the ceiling. She'd be pulling out, all your hair, you know, so, and you come out dirty. And then they, and now I'm not a worker from the, in Reese. So they give you like construction like a sticker.

It says construction and all that. Right? I keep that construction shit. So when I'm on a train the bitch don't think I'm a fucking bum. Right. I'm in the fucking like, bitch.

I'm not a bum. Some people started knowing. Pistoo. Some people would be like, Pistoo. What's up? Oh shit. And I'm like,

and I'm like, yeah, what's up? And then like, within the month and shit like that, Joe Kane, boom, sent DJ Serge. Yeah. My brother DJ Serge used to come

see me in the fairs and all that shit. Yeah. You know, he's a DJ from, you know, for terrorist car. He's, um, and he came and shit and dropped and Joe sent me $20,000. Wow.

And I came and I bought myself a car, hoopty. And I used to keep off the car two blocks away parking. Fuck, trade them. Nick, I'm driving with got my license. And then when I went to give my license,

I got a hundred thousand tickets from back in the days. Now I'm like, I passed my fucking test. Now I got to get all these tickets, get out of the way. I had to get all that out of the way and then go back and take the test again. And then when I went back to take the test,

I fell the shit. two times. I'm like, shit. And then I really felt the fucking drivers, the guy that was picked me up to

for my driver's car, I threatened him. I said, my man, if you don't pass this, fucking I don't get my eye on, the what's going to happen?

And he put the whole thing on the fucking slip that they give you. And these, the fellas used to laugh about that for years. Like, beat you threaten a fucking guy. He can't threaten the DMB guy.

Come on. He gave me the fucking, he gave me my license. But on the thing, he said, he failed this, he failed this. He failed that.

He failed that. He felt me. He almost trying to tell him. He fell on me. I was like, oh, shit. But he gave him my license. And after that, it was a rap. I went and got my, I got myself a hootty. I was like, cool. I could do this right now. But when I was in, I had my phone. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? But how did you end up going back? You violated? No, when I came home from the fairs, that's it. That was it. You never saw the inside again. No, yeah, I went, when I went back, when I caught, I caught a case in the club, and I fought for three years, Joe bailed me out, $50,000. Alabama when I went to trial with Dawn Florio. Oh, okay. So it doesn't end here. It never ends with you.

Okay. So what happened? You caught another case. You were in a club. When I came home from the fairs, I fought for three years. Some people say that I, that I stabbed them. They try to take my chain. They snuffed me.

This dad, another guy popped up and said that he did it. And when I went to trial, I beat it. Okay. So you were at a club and a brawl broke out. Yeah. And some dude got stabbed. And they tried to say, oh, Pete, did it. Right. And then when I, and then my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, I was on parole,

federal parole. Yeah. My parole was to call me. She used to always come see me. Yeah. And one day she said, Pete, you got to come up to see me. I'm like, I want to go see you. Oh, I have never forget her name. I was like, yo, when you come, I need to go see you. She's I see you. I was like, all right, let me go. And I went over there and, um, and she was, you know, uh, you know, P, I'll tell you guys here, they're here for you. You know, some homicide, this, that, uh, that, uh, you know, something happened. And they're saying, that you, I don't know, they want to take you in. And I was like, oh, yeah, you should have told me

and she was like, yeah, I know, but it's just, I have to go by, you know, I don't run this shit, I was like, I'll get it. And they just handcuffed me. They was like, we ain't going to really handcuff you, you're good? I was like, no, I'm good. It was like, we put you in the handcuffs in the front. And I was like, I go, put the handcuff. They picked me all right from the fair building, boom.

And, and, and they tip me to, you know. Your old stopping ground. Yeah, it took me back. Yeah, it took me back. No, they were not. they took me back it was did that dude that got stabbed did he die?

No. Okay, so there's no It was a sword on a bunch of guys Right And the guys picked me On the line up and all that Oh, they told

It got serious They picked me on the line up And I was like, What the fuck? Wow These motherfuckers ratied These motherfuckers rated So they came in

And I went to trial And I beat it Wow They couldn't Shout out to Dawn Florio Who's that She saved my life You know Don Florio

You might want to get her One day on your show A lawyer? She's the top lawyer in New York City. That would be sick. I would love to get her on. I can make that happy for you. See how does go relationships.

Exactly. What's just now working? That's my sister. Oh, wow. That's dope. She interviewed the highest, most highest profile cases and beat so many cases in New York in the Bronx. But she's popping. So you had to pay a $50,000?

I got to Joe bail. I came out on bail on $50. I see. Joe obviously also paid her for my son. So Joe is just dealing with you, bro. Like Joe fucks with you. He's put like real money behind saving your ass. Joe saved my ass so many times.

Joe had a lot. Joe, we wake up to lawsuits. Joe wake up in close a repeat. I got a lawsuit. They asked me for $75,000 because you broke that NFL player's nose last night. That happened. That happened in Miami. Really?

Why'd you break his nose? He wanted, I was trying to get to the VIP with Joe and everybody was at. And I was with my kid's mom. And he's that, and I'm trying to get in. And the guy's like, yo. And I'm like, yo, bro, I'm going to see my brother. And he's my, he was at my man. And I said, bro, don't do that, bro.

Like, he was like, what you saying? As soon as you say, what he said, I caught him. It was blood on him. It was a lot of, everybody was up. They jumped on. He was a confusing. Yeah. Hey, my other guy jumped on him.

This, that woman the next day, they called Joe. Joe called me. He said, thank you, Pete. I'm like, what, Joe? He said, another lawsuit. this one is 75,000 to straighten out his fucking nose. So Joe got a couple times, you know, like a couple lawsuits fucking with me. Yeah.

Yeah, you guys are just big, intimidating, raucous. I think the word is raucous. You know, you got brolic. You are, you're, you epitomize the South Bronx in many ways. You epitomize New York City. And what New York City was. And it's a real place. pleasure to sit down with you because cats like you really don't exist anymore, especially in the

hoods of New York. Man, I brought Shug Night to New York, to the Bronx, to my neighborhood. For real? About that. Wow. Shit night was my man. Wow. He used to come to New York and see me.

I used to send my guys to hold him down. Was he a good dude? Because he was scared of being in New York. Right. So I used to be like, no, go make sure he's okay. Wow. He's a good guy. So.

He was, I mean, he was good. Yeah. I don't know. The people said he had, he was behind what happened to Park. I don't know. me, I don't know. I wasn't home for none of that. You know, but I dealt with him and all that.

And he was all good. He came out in my documentaries. I had to put pressure on him and corner him. But he did it. What was it about you specifically? I played basketball in death row with a lot of guys. Yeah. On death row.

That's the only going to be on you. Oh, man. I can't wait. So what was it? What have you done the last 15 years? Like, how did you? There's so much to it. but like you've kind of turned into like a businessman a little bit, you know,

but you never had a business mind. Yeah, but you never had a business mind for drugs, which is like the easiest business to wrap your mind around. So now you're in like the media game, which is like the hardest business to fucking break into. Like tell us how the things with Fat Joe and Terror Squad, how that all evolved as the years went on when you got out of prison. When I came home, there's a guy named Stee LaBelle.

Another guy, very interesting guy you could interview. Very interested guy for you. Okay. Good guy for this. Okay. He's my manager also. He put me in the game. It wasn't Joe.

Steele Bell is a Jewish guy from Queens. Jam Master Jay put him on. He put a lot of people. He's born Thugs manager for years. He put a lot of them. He put Nipsey on. He found Nipsey. He's been in the game.

He's very successful. He's that guy. Very humble. Yeah. Loves me. One of our top best friends. You know? And he had a guy,

a middle class guy from middle class in Connecticut a guy named Don Sikorsky. He's a big producer now. He does a whole bunch of shit. He became big, this kid, right? He tells me, hey, Pete, it's got this guy named Don Sikorsky. He wants to do a documentary on hip-hop police and on the police and how to harass you

and how to harass all the guys. The producers, that's when they was coming down. He used to follow them. He was to harassed it. He was on a bullshit at that time. And he was like one or two. guys. And I was like, okay. So he told me, come down to the office. And I went down to the office, made up with him in the city, down here in the city somewhere, went to the office, and he

gave me $100,000. He said, you, I'm going to give you $100,000. I'm saying, coming home, the train, a hoopie. I'm like, what? Let's go. How many guys you need? He said, too, you know how many people I got? Almost the whole industry. almost the whole featuring is in the documentary yes and I also produced and I also involving the documentary for Jam Master Jay

I'm involved with a bunch of documentaries that came out I regulated that how many people were in that documentary that were getting harassed by the cops 50? I think 50 was getting followed a lot of people only people I didn't interview was 50 because we had beef of 50 so I didn't interview 50

oh right yes yeah the terrorist squad had beef with 50 I remember that I remember that. You know, so, so, but, you know, that's how I started. That right there started off. I started with Dawn, with Dawn. He got to like me. He was like, wow, you're fucking strong, you're powerful.

I brung to the neighborhood. I used to go see. Everybody, game. Yo, we got to go to game. We got to go see game. You know, game. I need you on the shit. And Shug Night don't do no documentary.

He's not. Shug Night don't talk too much. Shug was different. I went to death row and stood there for three fucking days. And the last day I got mad And so, shit, what the fuck you're doing? Man, you're going to do this or what? And I called him and I was like,

my man, you're going to do this right now. And he did it. Wow. Holy shit. And I gave it. So that money was worth it. That 100 G's was. Yeah, and I was having fun.

I was traveling. I was getting hotels. I was shit, I was like, bet. Let's get it. You know? So it was good. And then from there, I turned KAR into a legal. I turned KAL to a label.

Yeah. And I got assigned artists that's from the street. That's nice from local artists from Brooklyn Artists from the Bronx, Harlem from Harlem, and I put them all together and I signed them and I got them a deal to Koch records and I made their dream come true. They made, they made a record.

They made albums. They did records which I have anybody on the album. You can still look it up. It's called Joe Crack, Pistopi. Pistopi Joe Crack presents K. Wow. At an official foot on photo shoe at the Range Rover dealership right here on 50 Suns. You know, right?

It's right there. They're my people's, you know. I love Nice cars, range. I'm until they so many love. I didn't give them a dollar. Pistow, this is your house. I did the photo shoot for the cover there. Now, I went well. We did, we, you know, I had a, out of situation with Join for two years.

Michael Jordan? You know, we're joining period. I'm joining with the brand, which for sneakers and this, that. They were sending me sneakers for like almost two years. I was giving it to MoMA artists. They, they was fly. They lived their dream. We traveled.

I got a van. We went Connecticut. We got paid. we did this with that. Yeah. We lived it and then, you know, times go by. People get married. People get older.

Some people fall off. Some people don't want to be rappers no more. People met this girl in Connecticut, federal level. I don't want to be a rapper. You know, whatever. And then I still continue with the company, and I did my business through my company. I came out with a DVD called Debbie Ford of Zana,

that you can still find it as well. On Debbie Ford, Zana, which sold a lot. and I have everybody on there the whole almost the whole industry even shook again I got them on that everybody talking about morals and principles and

how people tell and that's when everything the whole stop stitch it was so I put that DVD out and I got a deal I got a deal so I got another hundred I got another some other bread for that and we just kept living life and then I signed these guys and now I got some money for Malin Grum Black you know which is the president of the college record E1

he became good friends he was an older guy he put me he put me he taught me a lot him and stevedabelle you know what I'm saying and you know and people who's amazed you know I you know Steve LaBelle shows off he goes everywhere he goes he starts all by you ever met

Mr. Peter the guy that put the dick who you know one guy that put a raise on his dick to go to the yard because he has beef yeah you know what I'm saying he's so that's how he starts his fucking interview this guy's remarkable yeah he'd be like this Peter's a fucking amazing friend that you wouldn't even

guys like that that you don't even you don't see no more. Yeah. No, you know. And the fact that you could go from the slums, shooting, shooting galleries and fucking cutting 19 people that they know about

on Rikers Island to dealing with... To go to Wreckers Island and deal with the toughest. I'll go to, I go right now to the toughest jail on Rikers Island. The toughest. They gave me that job and they gave me that ID and they said, we need you,

but we need you at the worst jail. Can you handle that? And I say, yes. And that's where I go. I go to the worst jail on Rikers Island. And the city reached out to you? Which is a cause, which is the beacon, which is the beacon. I go to CMC, which is the, similar to the same unit that I was in before.

I talk to those guys. They're all high profile cases. All these guys have been in the newspaper. You know, the guy that ran over the guy that ran and took off and went home and changed his clothes, I talked to him. I talked to the two messengers that staffed the other guy to store for no reason. I talked to all the high end. I talk to them.

I teach them how to pray. Some of these guys don't know how to pray. they don't know how to day in the cell or day they stuck I go there I read for them and outside the cell I tell them a little couple stories you know I go to regular units where people's facing a whole bunch of life senses in 25 years this time

I see a bunch of people that I also know you know and they like they like and they go to me they're like you know Pete may we love you man the whole I go to the seals when I go there they shake my hands I got my dog is a bully a very expensive bully charcoal mural bully

cost a lot of money was a gift from Joe and my brother Rich They handed it to my house after it was purchased. I got him since, it's going to be five this year. I got him approved to go to back to go to Raggers Island. I'm the only guy that goes to Raggers Island with his dog as a support dog to all the... Bro, I do, I bring Andre Norman to Raggers Island. I brought Fat Joe to Raggers Island.

What is the goal with the city having you be there? Is it to reduce the violence among these guys that have nothing that are facing life numbers? Yeah, they just, they didn't know what to expect. I didn't know what to expect. Like when they seem that I go in there and I can relate to everybody to the toughest guy. It was the guy that was walking around

the way I was walking around. Now they got this shit that is like a mask that you put on here because for the guys that like to spit police and spit people, they got this fucking, the guy was walking around like animal, you know, the fucking woman.

Yo, shit was fucking weird. I was like, crazy. What do you? I'm acting like I never been to shit. I'm like, what do you do? What do you do? And to see him, they're like,

uh, he's kind of. and he's fucking spitting everybody. Because I talked to him. They was like, do you want to talk to him, Pete? I was like, yeah, I want to talk to him. And I went up to him. I said, my man, first and foremost, take the fucking, take that shit off. You know what I'm saying?

I talked to him just like that. He said, what's up? What's up, my G? I'm like, what's going on? What's going through your mind? Yeah, man, I'm just fucking stressed the fuck out. Man, I was down with a gang. Now I don't want to be part of that gang.

Now, you know, so I got beefed fucking gang. So I got to stay here. You know what I'm saying? I was like, I got you, bro. you know, you're making the best of it, but don't make it hard on you by spitting the police and all that chicken. Now you, they're the ones that feed you.

You know what you're doing? You know what you're doing? You know, you're only hurting yourself and did a lot. And I talked to them, you know, the Mexican guys, they was like, man, you, you don't know, you know how to say, I don't know how to pray. I'm like, I'm gonna teach you how to pray. I'm gonna teach you how to pray our father,

walls of heaven, I'll leave my name, but nah. And the CEOs that be with me, they'd be like, and I go to the unionists, like I, and I walk to the hallways, like, you know, when I go to Ragged Island, I go to the record's out like I'm a fucking police officer. I fucking CO. No, I go in.

I swear my mom. I go in there. I show my idea. What's my idea? My idea. I show my fucking idea. I can't put it up. Yeah.

Boom. They're like, okay, boom. I go in the log shit. I sign in. Boom. And I walk in. No escort, no nothing. Yeah.

I go right to the fucking worst unit. Yo, they just finished stabbing somebody over there yesterday. That unit's happy. You want to go over there? Yeah, I want to go over there. Wow. And I go in that. What's up with you?

niggas, man, y'niggas hurt each other again? Like, what are we doing, bro? You know, and the way it started, I started from going to Rackers Island with another team, another team that used to go in there. They broke me as a guest. And when I went in there, I created, it was such an impact on the four building, the C-74 with a young adolescent is that. And that I started going for 10 weeks.

And a couple of weeks, a couple of weeks turned into 10 weeks where I told them, listen, this is what are we going to do? I'm going to come here for 10 weeks. 10 weeks, no stabbing, no cutting, no hurting each other, I'm bringing some pieces. I'm bringing pieces in. We're going to break bread. We're going to drink.

We're going to eat. We're going to chill. Boom. They approved it. They allowed it with the Depp of Ragazana's from the Seabber from the four buildings. The Depp is my own girl. She's my sister. She encouraged me.

Even when I want to get my ID, even when they turn me down for two years, I was like, man, fuck Ragazada. I don't even need that shit. I'm going to Nashville, Tennessee with real jail. I'm going to where they really need me. If they don't want me in Ragaz Island, I would like to help my own backyard, but if they're giving me a hard time, the commissioner keep turning my shit down, fuck it, and then I can do, she was done.

No, you fucking not. And shout out to Desiree, I love her for that, because she was there. She was like, niggas, we ain't going to let you go back. We go, you got to get, you got to get to Ragazana because I see what you could do. I went to Ragazana on my birthday, when I usually go to Vegas and go fucking party. I'm in Ragazada's fucking, I'm in there fucking birthday. My birthday's August 17. It's fucking 130 degrees in that baby.

I'm in there with 20 pies a piece of breaking bread. We went to three units and fed all of them. They was like, P, you're a fucking legend. Boy, you're a legend in New York City. You love you. You're a legend in, right. The police, I go to there. The police shake my hand every time I go to, to, every, like, it's love.

I go to, I walk the streets in the Bronx. They walk my fucking dog in Southern Boulevard. They love me. The people stop your, yo, you, stop you, your pistol. The mohatato. Come on, man. I take a picture with this nigga. Can't believe you here.

Yo, what the fuck? I went to Walmart. I live in Jersey. I go to fucking Walmart. It's my store. I go to Walmart talking. They'd be like, what the? Pistel.

Oh, my. Yo, yo, you here? Wow, bro. Yo, you're fucking, I love what you do, man. I love your podcast. Dog and the y'all's amazing. You bring, giving back to these brothers, you know,

and that's why I, you know, I turned, I used to help. So I still help a whole bunch of people and a bunch of artists and I do a lot of music stuff. But I'm working on myself. more. Like I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I, I'm, I, I, I, I, I'm more into, you know, what I'm doing now. Yeah, through all of this, there's a very, you have a really unselfish, um, way about you. Even, even, even when you were in the streets, you know, like, uh, don't, don't harass this guy. I'll,

I'll take the charges for you. And then sure, you go beat up and stab a bunch of people, but, like, you've, you, you, you always had this, like, sense of justice. And, uh, it's really fascinating. You're a remarkable human being. And you're a quintessential New Yorker, man. You already know. Talking to fucking Eric Adams, the mayor. What the fuck is Pistol Pee. You know that was a big thing about Pistoo Pee interview the mayor of New York City.

No, I would never thought it to fucking, they blocked the whole street. They had the whole. I was like, I was like, I'm fucking nervous. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. I'm like, Adam, what's up, man? He's like, Pistol Pete. And he told me, man, if it's somebody that you, that deserves this.

Well, a guy that was supposed to be serving life in prison and did all this and did all this and everything I know about you because he was telling me, I know about you. He said, boy, for me to sit down here and talk to you and you were doing what you're doing, it's a fucking blessing. I am with you. I fucking encourage everything you do.

I love what you do. You're giving back. You're giving brothers therapy. You know what I'm saying? It's exhausting to me because, you know, you go through a lot of stories at the fucking, I used to do a lot of interviews at one day. you know, changed my clothes to another interview.

Changed my clothes. You know, so, and, but I, you know, he said, you know, he was like, really, he was a great interview. He was like, man, I can't believe it. You know, you did good. People like, you don't, not out here. You know, Joe says that the same thing. He did an interview the other day. He was like, what you know with Wallow and Gillian?

And it was like, don't you. This dude is crazy. He's a different guy. He's different. He's a fucking awesome. I always been an awesome dude. I'm just a straight motherfucker. I just don't play.

What about your past? What about, what happened? Are your parents still living? My mother. Your mother. Well, did they get, did they live to get you, see you turn your life around? Yes. Oh, that's great.

That's good. Even your father? My father, yes. Wow. Wow. Okay. And then I don't even want to ask about the baby moms. It's not any of my business.

I don't have no problem. No trauma. Good. I don't have no baby. I know I'm not a child support. I'll take care of my kids. I'm a great dad. I love my kids.

Yeah. I can talk about it so I get emotional. Yeah. I love my kids. They change my life. Yeah. Wow. Oh, God damn.

They really changed my life. Yeah, yeah. Plug your podcast. That's what we're here to do. Dog and to y'all, I'm giving it back to the brothers out there, the sisters out there that did tons of time in jail. I'm giving them a voice. I'm giving them a platform for to be able to express how they,

because when you're in jail, you don't have a voice. You lose your voice the minute you walk in there. You don't have shit. You don't say so. You don't run nothing. So I give these brothers that always held that feeling. I get them a chance to get back and sit down. you know, with the king of Raggers Island

with the guy that can relate to them and we could build on that and we could build and we could change the narrative of how things used to be and how things are now. And they tell me, oh, I'm working CBS. I've worked in, you know,

I got a good career now. I work this. I got two kids, Pete. And it shows, it's for the youth to show these young brothers and sisters out there that you don't have to get in trouble and get and do all the things that we did in order to become successful

and become this person. That you have a better chance now. Things are more advanced. You got, you know, more technology is more advanced for you. You don't have to work in a shooting gallery. Right. You don't even know how you don't even have to. You will never even know in your life.

These kids right here wouldn't even have a, in life, will know what's a shooting gallery because those things do not exist anymore. They don't know how hard you guys actually had it. We don't live those times no more. Right. You feel me? Right. So I try to give them back to the youth, man, so they can be able to see, you know, that

jail is not it. And if I have a big influence, a big impact on the decision of one or two, too, then it's great for me. It's a blessing of me. Yeah. Dog in the yard. Every Monday, you know what I'm saying? Every Monday, strictly on you too.

You know, I have a bunch of networks holling at me, try to, you know, get some other situations and stuff like that. Well, let's plug the dispensary, too. Oh, you know, I got, I got, if you want. I started smoking at weed at 40 years old. We can tell. You only remember the years you got out of prison. I know so many fucking years.

Someone's bullshit. So many fucking shit I've been into that. I'd be like, I ain't count shit. But I got my own, my own, my own wee, you know, it's called a YAP brand. It's Yad brand. You know, and I got, you know, and I created, I did it based off, you know, jail shit to remind people, special houses unit, which is, it breaks down the whole shit about, you know, what's your special housing unit, you know. They say, choose a special housing unit. People get punished when you go to jail.

When you do the wrong thing in jail and you, you know, you get punished, you go to the box. The boxes were you there 23 hours a day and you only get punished. come out for one hour, you know, and stuff like that. We ain't talk about a bunch of other shit because I haven't done this for my book, and I ain't going to mention about Southport, like I've been through my bullshit, Southport, which is the New York State created his own architraz in 2001, 2001, 2002. I was there for the big riot. That's where they knocked my teeth.

They fucked me up. Police beat me up. Do you want to hang around to do like a half an hour bonus episode? I wasn't going to, general for this podcast, we do the main episode that's going to go on YouTube and all this, you know, all the platforms. but then we also have a channel just for our paid subscribers. It's usually just like a half an hour extra from shit we didn't talk about. I didn't want to waste your, I didn't want to take too much of your time.

But if you want to. Not really. Okay. You got to run? Yeah, I really got to go. I mean, I can do a little bit if you want when we do a little bit. Let's just do like a half an hour. So you could tell us about that story.

Tees the book. And also we could talk more about the weed and tell people where to go. Plug the dispensary. Where can people, if people live in New York or in New York go up to Harlem, safe now. Go up to Harlem. Well, this is, this is, this is, don't go up there in night, but go up to Harlem. At this point right now, this is all promotional use only right now.

Okay, okay, okay. This is not a no dispensary yet. I see. It's going to be in L.A. first. I see. All right. We want to go to dispensary in L.A. first, because this was where it all started from.

I see. It's going to be in L.A., you know, and it's a, you know, it's a, brand. It's a brand, you know, and I'm just, everybody's doing it. I started smoking at 40 years old. And ever since I started smoking, I've been a nicer person. Ha ha ha ha.

Well, okay, but tell them where the dispensary is in New York, at least. Tell them where the dispensary is. I know about one dispensary, Destiny Desperacy, which is my brother's, is a fellas Douglas. It's my brother Rich Player, which is Fadjo's manager, my longtime friend, only one of the other few guys. They used to come see me in the fans. You know, it's one of my best people think he's my brother because he's like, he's my brother. He's my blood. He's, you know, and so, and he, he opened up a dispensary.

It's called Destiny. Yeah, Death is there. It's on, is in Federalis Douglas in Harlem. Yeah, so we'll link that. We'll link that down below. So go and Fat Joe's involved with it. It's real fly. They just opened it the other day.

Everybody's there. Everybody's coming through support. You know, I mean, we just giving back to the community. I'm also working on some other projects, trying to open up like a barbershop, Terrap Squad, bobbets shop in New York and the Bronx. Heavy fire. You know what I'm gonna do that to get back for the kids.

You know, the new barbers and all that give them jobs. Yeah. You know, the thing is to the idea here is to get back to the community. You know what I'm saying? So they won't go out there and run around crazy. If I could stop a few of them from doing that and give them jobs and stuff like that, then that's what it is. So I'm working on doing super legendary shit, you know, in the Bronx and South Bronx.

I want to get everybody that's going to be involved. The mayor, everybody in grand opening is going to be legendary. You know, doing big things, man. You know, making a statement and doing it in the right way. So when they look at me, he did that, did that, but look what he's doing now. You know, and the kids, a lot of kids come up to me, and they admire you. They'd be like, Pete, wow, man, you used to be, wow, yo, you woke. Can we take a picture?

We love you, man. You are gangster. You are a gangster. And on my shirts that I have, I got these shirts that I go to Raggers Island with, obviously, it says, dog and the y'all. And them in the back of it says, gangsters change, too. Wow. And they'd be like, yo, pistol gangsters change too. I said, you know, that's right, man.

It's about 10 kids. your kids, your family is about doing the right thing. You know what I'm saying? They'd be like, yeah, you're right. You know what I'm saying? And they'll be, they'd be, you know, I get having something to think about, you know? Mr. Pete, uh, good times, man. Thank you for fucking coming through and blessing us.

We'll do a little, little bonus, quick little bonus episode, and then you'll get out of here. But, uh, yeah, we'll link to all his social media. Check out dog in the yard. Go subscribe to it right now. If you're in New York, go up to Harlem. We're going to link to Destiny, the, uh, the, uh, uh, the dispensary. And yeah, just look out for him, man. You're going to do great things. You already are. We're doing great things. We're not going away. The main thing is to stay healthy. That's it.

That's it. You got to stay healthy. Not say it. Eat well. Take care of yourself. You know what I'm saying. Do the right thing. And that's what matters, man. You're going to be blessed. Love. Love, man. Appreciate you. Pistola Pedro. Yeah, you know. Appreciate y'all, man. Bless. The connect. That's it, baby. Did you know if your windows are bare, indoor temperatures can go up 20 degrees? turn the temperature down with Blinds.com and get up to 50% off custom window treatments

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