The Connect- with Johnny Mitchell - How A Texas Prisoner Got Pulled Into A Cartel Meth Empire

Episode Date: July 1, 2026

After seven years in a Texas prison, Tim came home with prison politics, gang ties, and connections that would pull him straight into the meth game. In episode 4 of Tim's series, he breaks down how life behind bars shaped his mindset, how he adjusted after release, and how prison relationships eventually led to cartel-level meth connections. Tim talks about working on death row, surviving the Texas prison system, coming home on parole, and entering a dangerous world of meth trafficking, cartel plugs, stash houses, and small-town drug markets. He also explains how rural Texas became flooded with ice, why meth spread so quickly through small towns, and how one out-of-state connection changed everything. This is a raw look at prison life, cartel influence, the meth pipeline, and the consequences of chasing fast money after prison. Watch until the end for Tim’s reflection on how quickly the money, pressure, and paranoia took over. Topics covered: -Meth trafficking in Texas -Cartel meth connections -Small-town drug epidemics -Life after prison -Parole and halfway houses -Cartel stash houses -The prison-to-streets pipeline Go Support Tim! IG: https://www.instagram.com/tattoos_bykriminalkustoms/ Join The Patreon For Bonus Content! https://www.patreon.com/theconnectshow 00:00 Getting Out and Entering the Game 02:00 Life in Texas Prison and Making Connections 05:00 Transitioning from Prison to the Streets 12:00 Hustling After Release and Adjusting to Freedom 18:00 Building Cartel Connections 22:00 Securing the Out-of-State Plug 26:00 Money Laundering and Staying Under the Radar 32:00 Distribution, Middlemen, and Small Town Impact 39:00 Meth in Small Town Texas and Sociological Factors 43:00 The Evolution of Meth and Urban-Rural Spread 47:00 Stash Houses, Real Estate & White Collar Crime 58:00 Switching from Meth to Marijuana in Ohio 01:05:00 Expanding the Operation and Dealing with Family 01:13:00 Money, Health Issues, and Life on the Run 01:23:00 Reflections on the Game, Corruption, and Legacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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It's a new work day. knew I was going to get out and start hustling just from just being in prison. When I got the out-of-state plug, I know he was cartel for sure. And I mean, I know that for a fact. He took me to some stash houses. We went into some rich-ass neighborhood in Arizona. It was just full of fucking bricks. That's all it was.

I started cutting it open on the table, and it's one solid fucking block of clear, dog. And man, when I got that shit, that shit changed the fucking game. These little-ass, nothing-ass towns that you drive through in the cop is sitting at the gas station waiting to catch you in the speed trap, almost everybody in that town's on dope. What do you do after getting released from prison after seven years inside of the deadliest institutions in Texas? Well, if you're Tim Greishheimer, you go to work for the Sinaloa cartel. Tim paroled out of the Texas prison system in 2007, just in time for the crystal meth boom that was sweeping the country. He quickly hooked up with a boss from the Sinaloa

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Without further ado, it's the one and only Tim Greshheimer right here on The Connect with Johnny Mitchell. Texas is definitely one of those systems where if you go on a food strike or some shit, like you might win right at that time, best believe they're going to start passing laws to fucking make you fucking pay for that bitch. That's guaranteed. You might win right then and there, but best believe they're coming back even for. fucking harder. So you had been in prison for four or five years.

You've worked on death row. You've become a member of the Five Nine Dew's Bloods. Yeah, the Five Nine Bounty Hunters, yeah. You'd seen people murdered, multiple people stabbed up in front of you. You know, just the worst of the belly of the beast. At what point did you know that you were going to get out and start hustling? Like really become like a big time drug dealing. I knew I was going to get out and start hustling just from just being in prison.

But, I mean, I didn't even, like, plan on even getting out because, like, they had gave me a, when I was on 8 building, they gave me a serve-all. So, like, a serve-all in Texas is, like, you're serving all your sentence, but they still review your case, like, every six months, but they don't bring you in to talk to you, right? Which is a joke anyways, right? Like, it's not, like, I guess, other states where you actually, like, talk to a proreferral. board, you go and see a parole caseworker, she talks to you for fucking five minutes, if even that, has a package that she sends off to the parole board and they vote, and that's how it all happens. Like, it's a, it's a joke.

You don't even meet the people who voted against you, like in other states. You don't get a chance to talk for yourself like that or anything. So, I mean, I was doing a serve all. So me, I was just more so, like, not even thinking about the streets. I was just more so just like politic and prison, just doing prison time. Like I had told you in the last podcast, the warden moved me to the dorms. Me and my homeboy Bribery moved us to the dorms. We went from eight building all the way to four building together.

And then we went to the dorms the same day. We both got put on death row together, except he worked the day card and I worked the night card. So, you know, we went to the same. pod on the dorms together and me and him basically just hung out together because we had formed a relationship we didn't even talk on eight building he barely talked anyways we didn't fucking me and him didn't talk we were on eight building together we went to seven building together we went to four building together and then we fucking go to the dorms together and we didn't fucking talk until the day we got moved to the dorms because i was sitting in that multi-purpose room like the indoor wreck thing

i was telling you about with the TVs and when you got moved to the dorms and when you got moved to the dorms, they made you wear a fucking bracelet. So if you lived out on the dorms, everybody knew you lived out on the dorms. And I was sitting in there and the lady put the bracelet on my wrist and then he fucking, they had to bring him from work. And then he came with all his stuff and then they put the bracelet on him and he sat down next to me. So I'm on this bench facing the door.

He sits right here and we've got to look at each other and he is like, I didn't even, I mean, I mean, I guess I should know he knew my name. we never talked. So he was like, damn, Tim, me, and you don't come all the way

from motherfucking the dungeon together, baby, now we go to the dorms. And I knew his names. I'm like, I'm like, hell yeah, fool.

And we just formed a bond right then and there. And we hung out every day and spread together. And I was just doing prison time. Like, that's it. I wasn't thinking about the streets.

I wasn't thinking if I was going to come home and work or sell drugs. I mean, I know I was making connections in there to, like when I came home to link up with people in the city

so I can make things happen for myself I was more like on some like mafia shit some organized shit like I want to try to maybe do something maybe some criminal shit but I didn't really wasn't planning it I'm always a planner now when I got released when I went to the walls to go home and then I got picked up at the walls because I had to go do that program that safe B program when I got there, I was around nothing but dudes who were on probation.

And they came from the county to that program. And here I am coming from prison to that program. So I'm meeting all these guys from the street that are all fucking meth addicts or crackheads or whatever. So that's in that program, that's when I kind of started thinking about hustling on the streets and making some money. I was finding out things and stuff like that, just talking to people's.

and learning their conversations. And then once I hit the streets, it was like a, you know, I hit that halfway house. It was like a switch flipped. And I was just like, I'm about, I'm going to, I'm going to make some, I'm not my, I just, I think it's just more. So I'm going to make some money, how I have to make money. So you got paroled after seven?

Yeah. You come home, your, people don't understand the kind of war you've been in. Was that a trip? like was it like coming back for Vietnam and trying to live a work at an insurance company people just don't know what you've been through yeah what's weird is so

when I left Safe P my mom and them had sent me some clothes and they weren't living in Texas at the time and I was putting on my clothes and I guess I looked excited or something like I don't you don't know how you look so the guard was watching me put on my clothes and he was like

how long you've been locked up, boy. I was like, seven years. And he's like, how old are you? And I was like, 24. He's like, you've been locked up since you were 17. I was like, yeah, yes, sir. He's like, where are you going back to? And I was like, Bell County. He's like, man, take it slow, man, take it slow. And I was all like, he's like, I can see it in your face. You look, you look excited but scared at the same time. And I was like, yeah, it's fucking crazy. Like, it's just like you're flipping a page in a book, like a chapter in a book. It's like one minute you're living this life and then the next minute you're not and you're living a whole fucking different

life. So on the ride home in the van, I just like just looked out the window and was just like looking at everything. And, um, you know, I got home, got to the halfway house. I let me call my people and stuff like that. And then, uh, I got to get like a four hour pass to go get like some clothes and like hygiene or whatever and stuff my mom and them sent me some money but the thing was was like i was my mom was saving money for me because i was giving her them stamps before she had left the state so i had some money put up for myself already when i came home so i didn't come home like flat fucking broke i had a little bit of money saved up off that stamp game so uh you know walking around the mall and seeing shit yeah it was it was it was definitely uh uh

a shell shock for sure. I definitely had to like compose myself when I would go to the store because like in prison the first time you weren't allowed to be up on somebody's back. So like if I was in a store and somebody would like be too close

I would turn up like hey get up off my back dog or like if I held the door open for you and you didn't say thank you I follow you to your car and I'd be like safe fool you think I'm a pussy or some shit and I'd be like what? I'd be like motherfucker, I just held the door for you and you say thank you. You think I'm your bitch for some shit?

You think I'm a ho? Man, you're a tripping dog. And I'm still like that to this day. I just don't say nothing. I just keep my mouth shut. But little things like that. But back then I would speak on it because I didn't care about going back to jail. So, you know, I had people that would tell me like, bro, you need to chill out.

Nobody out here is even paying attention. They're so caught up in their world that they don't mean anything by what they do. But, I mean, how you eat in jail? Like in TDC, when you go to Chow, you have a certain amount of, so when you get your tray to sitting down, you have three minutes to eat. And they don't do it everywhere anymore, but what they used to do is a guard would walk around with one of the little blue mugs that they have in there, and he had knocked on the table, and that means get up.

So I eat extremely fast. So even now to this day, like I'm not like over my food like some animal. like br-r-r-rah-rah like that like i i eat but i eat i don't really taste my food i just eat it and get it down i'm still like that to this day like i just smash my shit i'll wait for my shit to half-ass get cold like if i was to cook dinner for you i'd wash everything before i ate and i'd make sure my food cooled down and i just start fucking smashing that shit who who-whoop and i don't play around when it comes to eating um so i'm still like that to this day And yeah, yeah, it was definitely hard coming home and like knowing nobody is paying attention, I guess, if I can explain that.

And you still have an attitude of like show me respect, talk to me with respect. But was it wild? So you blew up in the meth game very quickly. Yeah, yeah. Like you were still on parole, I think, when you were touching pounds. You were your connects? Tell us about your connects. Were they cartel guys or was it?

Also tweakers. No, fuck, no, they were no tweakers. Now, I know, like, and like that circle I fucked with. Like, I know some of them did smoke clear. I didn't know it at the time. But I guess, like, you know, when the money's coming and you're trying to keep up with the money, like, at that era at that time, bro, it was just like booming so fucking hard. It was such a sweet era.

Like, I didn't know that they, that some of them did use. they all had drug habits. Like one of them, he had like a $1,200 a day drug habit. He's popping Xanax, drinking lean, fucking smoking weed. Like he told me, he's like, I got $1,200 a day drug habit. The white boy that I told you about, he smoked clear. I didn't know it. I guess he didn't do it all the time.

But I guess, you know, you're running up and down the highway. You're trying to stay going. You know, it gives you that energy. So he would fuck with it. But he wasn't like no fucking tweaker or nothing like that. Now, I'm for sure they were. with cartel guys. As far as I know, they weren't cartel guys.

Now, when I got the out-of-state plug, I know he was cartel for sure. I mean, I know that for a fact. But them, who they were fucking with, obviously they had to be fucking with the cartel because the number they were getting and the price they were getting it for and stuff like that,

that's who they had to be fucking with. But I never met those people, so I don't know. Tell us about your out-of-state plug. The out-of-state plug, I got that out-of-state plug like through somebody, a friend of mine who was in the military. And like on the, when I talked about it on the podcast, like I kind of made it seem like it was like an instant conversation and then I got that plug.

Like that wasn't how it was. Like, shit was just like going bad in the game. Like shit was up and down, up and down. Like the dudes I was fucking with, like they were getting greedy. And they were getting the work from the connect. And then they were cutting the work really hard. And it was like, I was getting burned by people. And the people that I trusted that they were calling me.

They're like, bro, I'm getting burned for this money. Like, I'm fronting them five bricks, eight bricks, whatever. And he's like, bro, people ain't coming back with all my money. Because they were putting so much goddamn cutting this shit. Because they'll cut it. I don't know what they cut it with now. but back then they would cut it with this shit called MSN. You could get it from like the tractor supply.

It's like horror. It's for like the horse shit. It's like so you could take like the MSN and then you could put it in like a glass Pyrex cooking dish. Put it in the oven and it looks like like shaved clear plastic. You could put it in the oven and heat it until it liquefies. And then you pull it out of the oven and set it up and let it cool down. And when it cools down, it like hardens and then you scrape it out. and like it'll look damn near like shards, but the back will be plastic.

Like the back will be flat. So they would cut it with that, but then those dudes will be slick. Like they'll learn how to liquefy it down and then cut it with like somehow rock it back up with the MSN locked into the clear. So it'll be like a half real shard and a half piece of fucking MSN. But like you could take that shard because like tweakers would know you could. take like say a shard and drop it in bleach and the meth would start fizzing around like a fucking motorboat and you would see like half of it take off or it would take off like this and it would be dragging that piece behind it and then when it would die the fucking MSN would float

to the bottom so they were just like cutting it way too hard so I was trying to get other connects but I knew that my home boy he had that that dude that he was in the military with in Arizona And I just kept pressing them about it. You know, I'm like, bro, call him, call him, talk to him, talk to him, talk to him. So he had called him and then, like, made a couple, like, suggestions. Like, he was trying to do it. Like, hey, I know a guy and I can do this. And he's like, bro, don't do that.

Don't do that. And then finally, that dude just by chance, his cousin stayed in Temple with us. And she would always be at the bar with us. So me and her started fucking around. and then we were all sitting in the apartment together and I was just kind of in passing. He's like, man, he's trying to get your cousin to put me on with Charles people.

And she said, let me talk to him. And then that took a little while longer, like maybe a month or so. And finally, she was like, call him. She gave him mine. She said, called him. He's ready for you to call him.

And then when I called him, then they flew me out there. And, you know, he told me who he was and stuff like that. And then I had to give him, like, my ID and my Social Security card and stuff like that. And I was like, I was just like, what was this for to see if I'm going to fed or some shit? And he was all like, no, he's like, because if you burn me, I'm just going to kill your family. Like, he's just straight up with it. He's like, if you burn me, I'm just going to fuck your family off.

And what's crazy is because, like, when he picked me up, I had on, like, a gold rope chain. Not big, nothing crazy. Like, maybe like the size of this or a little bit bigger gold rope chain. And I had, like, a gold braided bracelet. I had a gold pinky ring on. And then I had, like, this white gold watch with some diamonds on it. And I didn't think it was anything fancy. And I had a bottom grill in my mouth.

So you couldn't really see it because it wasn't like I talked for you to see it. But I'm dressed like a hood motherfucker. You know what I'm saying? I'm dressed clean than a bitch. And I remember when I picked him up, you know, he's in a fucking like a fucking lacoste polo, some jeans and some fucking loafers. Like he dressed like a white, like a rich white dude or some shit. And, man, when I got in this car, he fucking, he started talking shit to me. He said, man, if I fly you out here, don't you ever come.

And he used the N-word. He's like, don't you ever come dressed like a fucking again. He's like, he was a Mexican guy? Yeah. He's like, if you're going to be fucking fucking with me, you got to stop. You can't be doing that shit. Don't be posting online looking like that. That's how you get caught.

He's like, you're either trying to make long money or, you know, how long are you trying to be in this game? Longevity or what? And so that's how I got him. And I stayed out there a weekend with him, hung out with him. We went to the strip club, bang some prostitutes. And he showed me some stuff and just let me know what basically the seriousness of what was going on. And then that's how me and him started working.

So he actually made you give the address to where your mom stayed. He made me give up everything. Yeah. He made me give up everything for insurance. I mean, which I'm sure he could have just. Not all of it anyways, you know, because I even one time when I went out there to talk to him, I asked him, was he afraid of, like, getting busted or whatever? And he told me, so he was born in Mexico, but he had a citizenship here, like, is a green card or whatever.

And he was all like, he's like, bro, I'm never going to jail. He's like, we got everything paid off. As soon as it gets too hot, I'm going straight to Mexico. but he didn't have any tattoos, like he didn't drive a flashy car. He drove a truck. Like, he drove, like, a fucking F-150 or some shit. Like, it was a truck, like, like, a basic, like, a nice work truck. Like, he dressed just basic, dog.

Like, it wasn't any, like, he didn't have a fucking watch on. You know, nothing like that. Like, he didn't even look like somebody who did dirt the way he carried himself, the way he talked, like, nothing like that. So he had an actual escape plan? Yeah. Is he out on the streets to this day, or do you know where he is? Is he back in Mexico?

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He took me to some stash houses like the, we went into some rich-ass neighborhood in Arizona. know. And it was a stash house. It was just full of fucking bricks. That's all it was. The garage was full of bricks. Like not even like pretty like bricks. Like you're talking about shit that looked like turkeys. Bro, let's, okay, so I even give it to you like this. So like when I was getting work here in Texas, it would already be sharded up. When I went to the first place here in Texas that he sent me to to,

pick up work. When I got the birds, when they were wrapped up, it was all like a lop, like a lumped up ball, all lop like that. So I'm pulling them out of the bag. When I get back to the crib,

fucking, I start cutting it open on the table and it's one solid fucking block of clear, dog. So I hit this fool up and I'm like, hey, what the fuck am I supposed to do with this? And he was like, just put it in the tap,

bathtub and bust it up with the fucking a sledgehammer. Go get a rubber mouth and just bust it. He's like, you can bust it it'll bust apart. And I was like, for real, he's like, yeah. So we fucking go to the Home Depot and fucking, I get a tarp and get some fucking mallets and shit. Me and my homeboy, we come back and we fucking get the bathtub all decked out.

And because the first one was already cut open, we fucking are just like lightly hitting and the rest of them, we just put them in there and just fucking hit them. So when I'd go to serve my licks, they're expecting shards, bro, I gave one of my licks a fucking, uh, a block that weighed fucking eight zones, dog. Though fucking cap, he's like, what the fuck is this? I was like, shit, motherfucker, that's how it's coming home, boy.

I was like, this is this. This is different right here, dog. This is, this is the shit. Like, this ain't no shards, motherfucker, because they were bringing it over liquid and rocking it up over here. So they were bringing it over liquid and fucking locking it up over here. A lot of people don't know that shit, bro. And man, when I got that shit, that shit changed the fucking game, fool.

That's why I got that blue dream right here tattooed on my hand. You could take that clear. That's another way how you can see if clear is cut. You know, like the black lights you can buy and put in your thing, you can hold that clear up to the black light, bro, and you could see if it's been cut. But that clear right there, you could hold it up to the black light and you could see like blue veins running from it.

We used to call it blue dream. That's why I got the blue dream tattooed on my hand. And even when they would burn it in the bowl, you would start to see a little bit of blue in it. I don't know what it was from, but you would see because one of my licks showed me. He's like, look at his shit right here. And good clear, when you roll it in that bowl, when you roll that bowl, that shit locks right back up. Like, immediately, if it's, like, got cut and trashing it, it takes longer to lock up. And they'll have, like, a rag, a damp rag, and they'll lightly touch that rag to lock it back up.

And then when they hit it, like, if they put a shard in it, you'll see them, like, the bowl. that it's got the bowl like this with the stem, they'll roll it and you'll see them like, they'll be blowing smoke out the top of it. So if it's got cut on it, like, like dope that's got cooked into it, if you blow and the smoke comes out on your hand like that, there'll be like a film from the clear. But that shit right there every fucking time, bro, drop it in, motherfucker. Ain't no blow off. Homeboy, that's what they call it. Ain't no blow off, bro. Straight up, dude, like it had so dude so some some meth heads they like they like the dope some of them like the dope that's got rush that's the shooters they like the shit that's got rushed but it don't have no legs

and then you have some dope fiends that like like smokers that like the dope that's got legs so when he hits them it doesn't like hit them hard it takes a while to work itself but it'll keep them up for days or a day or however long this shit had rush and legs so my home boy as soon as he he started hitting it. And he starts hitting this shit. Bro, he's hitting it. And he starts going like this. He was my tester.

He starts hitting it like this. And all of a sudden you just start seeing his lips turn chalky white. And he's just quiet. So we're standing there and we're looking at him. And we're in the bathroom. So I'm like, what's up, motherfucker? And see, he put it on foil. So he didn't even roll it in the bolo.

So the good thing about dope and foil, when you hit it in the foil, you can see the cut extremely fucking quick. So he fucking was rolling in the foil. So like once you heat it up, when you roll it this way, you'll see all the cut. So he rolled it back and forth and was using a straw, was hitting it, and then just sat it down and he blew it out. And you saw all his lips start, because he's black.

So you saw his lips start to turn chalky white and shit. And he's just sitting there looking at it. And I'm like, I'm just saying, because that's how I would talk. I'm like, what, nigga this shit straight or what, dog? and he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, nigga. That's that shit, nigga, that's that shit. I'm like, nigga, you can talk or what, fool, what's up, bro? He's like, bro, what the fuck is that?

Like, even when he sat down, he was still just looking at the kitchen table, look, and I'm like, tell you good or what, Doc? Yeah, damn, bam, I'm like, bet, all right, we got a winner. We know what's it, we know what it is now, fool, like, and that was the, that was, that was the shit. That was the best product for real. So you had like a real Walter White connection. You had a pure meth. They weren't.

He wasn't cutting it at all. So how much were you getting bricks from him for? At first he was given to me for like three, like no, he was given to me for $4,400 or something like that. Then it dropped to like $42, then it dropped to $4,000. And it slowly went down to $3,000. And then there was a couple times that he hit me for like $2,000. He gave me some shit for 2000. I don't know why the price differences happened.

I just know sometimes he would give it to me for cheaper. I don't know if they had been holding it for too long or whatever, but I know the cheapest time I had ever got it from him was like 2000, but it was usually like always 3,000 a brick. Sometimes he would hit me for like the 25 or whatever. But I think maybe like also maybe he was doing that for me because I noticed, if I remember incorrectly, I think he would be maybe rewarding me

because I would sit middleman licks. So, like, I never wanted to go, like, too hard with it. I always just wanted to stay at, like, the 12 to 15 mark type shit. I never wanted too much. But also, he was fronted to me, so I didn't want to be on the hook for too much. And, um, because you have to understand,

now I'm having to get his money to him in Arizona. and that's a whole fucking process of he had multiple bank accounts set up that I'm going to put money in you know all different types of way to get him this money so it was difficult dealing with the money the money so go into that sorry sorry to interrupt he had multiple business accounts so like I would have to set up LLCs and we would pretend like we were doing business together like I would go and deposit money in his business accounts like say it was like t-shirts I made it seem like I was buying something. Like we wouldn't, you know, it wasn't online.

Nothing we ever did was online, like an online store or some shit. That wasn't even something that was going on back then. So just may say I bought T-shirts from them, but it wasn't T-shirts. It was mainly like construction shit that he had set up going on. You know, and I'll even expose this just because it doesn't fucking matter anymore. Like me and we like how we communicated, we didn't really communicate through. through the telephone, like they'd call it the dark web now, but we call it Onion websites.

So we communicated on the Onion websites. That's how we communicated in like the Onion website on like chat, like through a secret chat or whatever, and that's how we talked. We didn't even like talk on the phone. Like that's just how we communicated. So everything was done through the whole onion. deal. So how much money would you deposit in his bank accounts for like an average re-up? So it's 15, 15 bricks? I would always break it up. He would tell me, go to this account and put this much

in, go to this, because he didn't want to make it look hot. Go to this account, put this much in, go to this account and put that much in. But then he also had people that would pick up money from me here in Texas. So somebody might come and pick up, you know, $50,000 and I'd put money in these accounts. when the visa vanillas were popping, I'll put money on multiple visa vanillas or the green dots. I'd put money in multiple green dots. But usually somebody would come and get the majority of the money and the rest of the stuff would just be through the bank accounts and stuff like that. But it would never be like some stupid crazy like 10, 20,000 or anything like that.

It would always be like 8,000, 5,000 here and stuff like that. Nothing to really attract like a lot of, I guess, attention. But the majority of the money, to get, you know, just to be honest, somebody was coming and picking up. How much money were you getting him, returning him, every month?

I mean, well, you gotta think. I was, I mean, I was making like almost 200 a week, like 12, like 8, 12 days, something like that. Like between like 180, 220, sometimes 250. And, I mean, fuck, Just say, he's giving to me for $3,000. I mean, that's a lot of money, dog.

That's got to be a couple million a month. But he mainly had somebody come because, what, what, 3,000 times, we'll just keep it small. 3,000 times 10 is, is what, that's 30,000? I think. And then you do 30,000 every week. That's like 120,000. But you have to understand there was, I was doing middleman deals too, though.

So I might middleman through you say you want 20 bricks. I might do a middleman deal through you, but you got to give up your information. And we do the middleman deal. And then I would collect that money. And then I make the introduction. But at the same time, I would still have to come and collect money from you for him. And then somebody would come and pick the money up for me, or I would take it to somewhere and it would drop it off to somebody.

So you would find guys that wanted to buy in bulk like you? I knew several dealers that got out like me. And they just knew that through the streets, they knew that I had, that I just, that I had it. Like it was people talk. So, you know, we might be out at the bar. We're always hanging out. I'm always out every night.

Every night I'm out. I'm at some local bar. You know, bum. $2 Tuesdays. Fucking in bums, chilling, fucking maybe having a couple of drinks rolling on some ecstasy. You know, me and the local doughboys

chopping it up, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, man, shit. If you want it, I can get it full. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, I can put you on. And it just kind of went like that. You know, or they might introduce me to somebody and I'm like, oh yeah, I'll fuck with you dog. I will holl at you,

whatever. I see him a few more times. and just stuff like that I knew people in the strip club that did deals and I would just put them on you know so if you're re-up

it only costs you whatever 30 to $40,000 to get 10 to 15 are these pounds or kilos no they're keys bro so you're off of a $40,000 re-up every week

you can make $200,000 in profit. I mean, because you have to realize, so you got 36 zones, right? So I'm getting the key for three. I'm selling the Zips for 600, but sometimes I'd just sell them for, you know, for 3, 400 just to get rid of them. It really depends, depending on who you, like, if you were fucking with me really strong, then I would just dump them off to you.

like you might want five birds and you got all cash, I'd give them to you for fucking $4,000 a pop just to get rid of them, just to get off of them. I'm like, bro, just give me four across the board. I'm making $1,000. I would tell you what I was making. That's how I was with my people. I would tell you what I was making.

I'm like, hey, bro, I mean, I'll give me to you. If he gave me a load for like $2,000, say you bought bricks off me all the time, I'd call you. I'd be like, hey, fool, come haul at me real quick and get you to come over. I'll be over there or whatever. We link up and talk about, hey, dude, shot them through to me. I got them for two bands. I'll give them to you for fucking three.

If you want to jump on them, I don't know if it's going to be like this next time, but come on. And I would just make a quick thousand bucks. So, so you're thinking, well, you know, so yeah, 120,000. If it's 150,000, if I just did it like that. But obviously I didn't do it like that with everybody. because if I got them for three, depending on who you were, I'd still sell them for like 55,

$6,000, so just say I'm making three. You know what I'm saying? And so it could be, you get what I'm saying, it balances out. So sometimes it could be more, sometimes, it just really depended.

Yeah. So the wholesale and retail give you about an average average profit per load. Yeah. So you never let any of your buyers meet your connect. No, nobody who bought directly from me.

But I mean, even when I put them on, like a couple of dudes that I put on with the plug or whatever, with the connect, when I made the introduction, like he might have talked to them, but I was still in for the process. Like he would let me know what was going on, my plug would.

You know, so he always kind of kept me in the loop type shit when if I put you on, Like if I had to put you on with him, he still talked to me about you. Like he would still be like, hey, he's got this or, hey, hey, can you go get this money? And I'd be like, yeah, I got you, fool. So he basically kind of had me working for him at the same time. Because he was always trying to get me to do something for him. Like, he might be like, hey, can you go pick this up and run this to here?

And I would do it, you know, but I didn't like to do that shit. Like, did I even told him that when I would go meet him and like Aaron. I don't know we'd talk. I would tell him, I'm like, hey, bro, like, I mean, I, like, I, like, I understand, you know, I'm getting this money with you and stuff like that, but I'm not really trying to be like that, like something you'll, like, doing this and doing that. I'll feed you people or whatever, but I'm not trying to be fucking running no dope down the highway, dog.

Like, I'm not really trying to do that shit. But I did that shit for him multiple times, ran down the highway for him. You were in a caravan? Yeah, we'd do, like, four car caravans. Like, four cars, three. three cars sometimes, you know what I'm saying? But usually four cars, like one in front. Usually the person in the middle had to work,

and the person behind was watching. And then the fourth car was always the spotter car or somebody to do something wild. So if we saw the police or the state troopers on the side of the highway, and then I got homeboys who are truck drivers. So when they're out, you know, they got the times when they're out doing the fucking,

the DPS stops, when they're hitting the truckers and they're on the highway super stuff, I mean, super tough pulling truck drivers over. So I got homies that are truck drivers that are just local in the state of Texas. And I fucking got a goddamn, at that time I had like a walkie-talkie that did like the CB shit. And it was a police scanner. So we'd be riding and I'd be fucking talking to my own boys. I'm like, hey, did this and did this and did that.

And they would just keep me updated on what was going on. So we had it coordinated pretty well the times that we did it. I just didn't really like doing it. Did you ever have to do something crazy or did the fourth car ever have to, you know, get in an accident or speed or anything? You never saw the cops? No, we were usually, nothing ever crazy. I mean, we had a couple times where cops might have got on us,

but we always used different cars. They were always legit. Nobody was ever high. The car never smelled like weed. Everybody was dressed properly and looked clean cut and on point. like anything to like make the stigma or whatever the profiling factor go down

that's what we did that's what we did and like I told you we create LLCs bro so we might make it look like a hauling company or a construction company or something like that like we always did something to make it look professional I mean, my homeboy was buying cars from the auction all the time, so I don't know if you've seen this in Texas, you'll see a lot of Hispanics, like, traveling with them,

they'll be tailing the cars, and they'll have the two little fucking, like, the lights flashing on them or whatever, hauling the car, maybe taking it from Mexico to somewhere. I don't know where they're going with the fucking cars, but we'd do shit like that. We would, you know, we'd get out on like that, bro. I mean, I had a homeboy, he don't do it anymore,

who was a hot shot, and he ran a hot shot. company we'll fucking put the car up on his high shot and fucking and pump that hoe somewhere else in the state and the the meth that you sold not just transported where were most of your dealers getting the work off to and like in what little towns in Texas were were the fastest so i mean just say like you're in temple and temple's not a big town i mean i think It's got like, got like 180,000 people in an hour, some shit. It's still not big.

But Temple pumps, Temple pumps hard. But then you got the little towns outside of Temple like Belton. Belton's a smaller town. Belton pumps hard. You got Moody, Academy, Moffitt, the little towns between Temple Troy, fucking going to Waco, the little towns all in between there. these little fucking country-ass towns that

fucking going out to Cameron Cameron pumps there's a fucking town and Rogers Rogers these towns these little ass nothing-ass towns that you drive through and the cop is sitting at the gas station

waiting to catch you in the speed trap type shit almost everybody in that town's on dope almost all of them and I'm not even talking about regular people I'm talking about the law enforcement too everybody was at that time was affected by it. And those little towns,

you're talking about, bro, I had a lick. I even kept when I was up in the, like getting weight, I even kept this person on my team, an older individual, never been busted, never, I don't even know

if that person's ever had a speeding ticket, has older friends in the community in these small towns, I would give this person a fucking birth. broke down and nothing but eight balls. I would personally weigh it up for this person because they didn't want to weigh it.

And like I told you back then, you could sell it point for point. You could sell it $10 a point. This motherfucker was selling people balls for 330, 325. A whole bird broke down. And this person, this out, they would pay me because they were old school.

They would pay me per ball instead of looking for a wholesale price. And they pitched it to me. They're like, hey, can you give me 40 balls? I'm like, what? And they were like, 40, can you give me 40 balls? And I'm like, you want 48 balls? And they're like, yeah.

And I'm thinking, why you ain't just asking me for what, I mean, what is, eight zips or 10 zips or some shit? I forget what? There's like eight, eight balls and a fucking outs. So I'm just like, what, eight times, what, that's five zips, eight times five is 40? So I'm, I'm thinking, why you ain't, why you ain't asking for fucking, you know, a QP or some shit? Like, what are you doing? But I didn't say nothing just. I was just, I just wanted to see, like, what they would say, and I knew this person

for an extra, since I was a child. And, um, so fucking, I took it to them, and that's just, and when they re-up, they'd be like, can I get 60 ball? Like, that's what they wanted. And I, and I, one time I was about to slip up and just be like, you know, you could get this for that, but I'm thinking, man, they, well, I'm eating too hard on this motherfucker when they do it like this. So, you know, I always kept that person.

I always kept something aside. for that individual, like my whole career until I got out of the game. And how fast could he move 40 A-Balls? Dog, sometimes it'd be like a day or two days and call me and re-up. And we'll just have it with these little-ass fucking towns, these little towns that everybody was fucking on it.

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I don't honestly know bro Because I think it was like big in the biker community because they so i know a little bit about the history about like the meth so you remember adolf hitler he he got his guys on methamphetamines so the guy that created mustard gas he was the same guy if i'm not mistaken the guy that created mustard gas i can't remember his name you can look him up he's the same guy that created anhydrous ammonia and anhydrs ammonia is the reason why we can mass produce crops now so out of on the fucking farmlands, you'll see these big ass fucking tanks out there.

That's anhydrous. Other fuckers would go out there and tap into that line and steal that anhydrous. And I think if I'm not mistaken, if that gas hit your arm, like it could like freeze it off. And like freeze it and it would be like no good or some shit that part of your limb. So these fools would make that anhydrous and they would call that shit Nazi dope. That's what people would call Nazi dope because of Adolf Hitler and I, well, I think the Japanese were doing that shit too. the kamikaze soldiers so anyways but the the aunt the annie that was the nickname the annie there was only certain ways you could do it that was more like people banging it but then when you look at those

meth pictures from back in the game and you see the people with the missing teeth and the sores that's what that shit did to you where when that ice rolled through it didn't have like those physical effects like that it took a long time for a motherfucker like if they were a picker or some shit on the ice and the ice you can eat it you can fucking put it in your coffee you can smoke it you can snort it as more ways to do it now than the any or the red phosphorus dope you couldn't do it like that like that got this dope called red phosphorus i saw it only one time it looked like it was white it looked like it was kind of like sugar you know what i'm saying and um that's the same thing i think you could only like smoke that and bang that i don't know if you could

snored it. I don't know. I've only saw it one time. But the Annie, you could only do it a couple ways where ice made it more accessible and it didn't have the residual physical effects. You know what I'm saying? And then you got some guy working long hours. He just puts a little bit in his coffee or his soda and whatever and drinks it. He puts just a little small shard in there and now he's got an extra eight to 12 hours in him. You know what I'm saying? He'll pop his Xanax and go to sleep, wake up and do it again and keep it moving. They can get more done on it. So I think that's what it was. I think it was just, that's just what I think. I don't know. But I know for sure when I came on from prison, everybody was on it. My homeboy's

mamas were on it. Like, dude, rich kids that I knew, there people were on the shit. Because next you know, I'm coming over here to hit a lick. This one, I'm kind of getting up there. I'm coming over to hit a lick. And next see a dude I know, his motherfucking mom's over there. She's coming over there. Hey, Tim, I'm like, the fuck? Like, you're on this shit. My ex-girlfriend, her mom's on the shit. I go to see her because she got pregnant by some dude. She comes in.

I didn't even know she knew I'd dealt. Tim, you got the ice. And I looked at her. I'm like, this is a rich-ass woman out in Morgan's Point, Texas. This little-ass town called Morgan's Point. It's filled with, was filled with clear smokers. All these rich-ass white folks that you wouldn't even fucking think. I knew a dude out there that would go to Houston, he raced greyhounds.

This motherfucker would flip to real estate and race to greyhounds at the Greyhound track in Houston, if it's still there. This dude fucking smoke did that shit, dealt that shit to all his construction homies. And you, like, you couldn't really tell. Like, they just were able to hide it. So I just, I think that's what it was. And it's also kind of like a party drug. Like, them bitches get on it and they get horny. and they'd be having crazy ass sex on it.

This is what I've been told. I don't know. I didn't ever fuck with it. So I couldn't tell you what it was like. I know I asked some of my licks that I was cool with. I would ask them. I'm like, what would you think about it? And they would be like, don't try it.

I'm like, no, I'm not saying I'll try, but what would you think they were like, it would make you antisocial. So like me, even though I'm antisocial, like I just don't talk to anybody, but I will talk to anybody. Like, I can just talk to people easy. I remember my licks.

telling me she was like somebody like you it would make you like some people that get on it it opens them up and it makes them all lively and happy and um i think it kind of does the same thing that like mdma does i think it open like does that dopamine or what it opens it up so to make people you'll see people come alive on it where they might be more antisocial or depressed type of people where somebody like me who's high energy she said it would make me like a a shelled off person where I wouldn't want to talk to anybody. Go ahead. It's like cocaine.

Yeah, yeah, because I've done coke before. Coke makes me move, like whenever the couple times I did Coke, I didn't really want people talking to me. By man, you ruined my high, fool, shut the fuck up. You know how people who I do coke and they're just like, I'm like, man, shut your bitch ass up, fool. I'm over here fucking zoned out right now, fool. So you say Rich Towns were on it too.

That's pretty amazing. you were telling me about a real estate agent that you know that I think still actively does this all they do is search for stash houses can you talk about that? I mean, I don't know him anymore. I mean, I don't talk to him anymore. I mean, I'm sure he's still out there.

I'm not for sure. I ain't ever heard about him getting caught or whatever, but that's what he did. Yeah, he fucking got houses in nice areas and they were just like stash houses. It was front houses. Nobody lived in them. That's, that's, that was his, his job, I guess.

That's per se, that's what he did. Well, I just find the corruption fascinating of white collar people, you know? I mean, that's the motherfuckers that got it going on, man. Yeah. They're the ones that got the, they're the ones that got the connects. They got the, they got the card to steal. They got the car to do what they want to do. So, you know, they can make it happen like that.

How was your connect getting it across the border? Do you have any idea? I didn't ever ask him. I didn't ever ask him. He didn't ever tell me. Oh. The only thing I actually honestly just like personally asked him was like, did he have an exit plan?

Did he feel like he was ever going to go to jail? He just started laughing at that beast and I ain't ever going to jail. I'll find out before anything even comes my way. And I'll just go to Mexico. And he just told me he couldn't get out. He said, when you reach the level that I reach, you can't get out. So it is what it is. So you say you went into a garage of a stash house of his.

How many pounds or how many kilos of meth were in there? I don't know if it was all meth or if it was meth and coke or what everything was, but I can tell you, I mean, I wasn't the only room that we went in. It was in a living room. it was in other rooms. There was, I guess that shit had to be tons, dog. Now you're talking about just straight up fucking like wrapped up. Some of it was wrapped perfect, like squares.

Some of it was big blocks. And then the other shit, a lot of it was like wrapped up like I told you. Like it looked like a turkey, like oblong shape fucking just like a fucked up basketball, lumped up basketball. That was fucking dope. All dope. So you have people all over the country. He had many Tim Greisheimer's in different states. Yeah, for sure.

Hell, yeah. I mean, there's, yeah, I wasn't shit. I mean, I made some bread dogs, so I guess I was something. I touched some real money. I had some real money. I fucked off a lot of money. And I lived a cool life for a little while, you know. But there's definitely, you know, people like me and doing it bigger than I did it.

and they're never going to see a day in jail. I got homies on the streets now that are out of the game, fucking chilling and low-key, and they never, they've never been caught. And they did it right. They stacked their money and got out the way. And they just sit back and fucking talk about shit and laugh about shit and get out the way.

And they did the game right. I think that era dude, that fucking, that 2000, that 2000 to fucking two, 2010 era plus with the 90s or whatever in 80s and you obviously had the 70s shit but I'm just telling you like that 2000 era to 2010 because when I came home man when I'm telling you even after that it was still gravy but like that motherfucking 07 to 2010 era in that part and where I say that in Texas motherfuckers was eating dog like you remember that the the popcorn weed i was telling you about like the shit that we called the baby dro i didn't get to get in to tell you get too much of that shit so my home boy the the plug i met that gave me those bricks that followed me and i told you he was following the truck they had got this blueberry um blueberry drops from the smoke shop i don't

know if you put it on tobacco or what you put it on but they took it and they put some drops in a spray bottle and water and shook it up. And they were spraying the bud and shaking it up and making it smell like blueberries. And when you smoked it, it tasted like blueberries, but not like super strong. And before Drow was popping here, you couldn't get Drow like that. Like we were going all the way to fucking San Marcos and getting Drow of a motherfucker that went to Texas State. And we were paying like $6.50 a zip, $450 a zip for fucking like lemon cush, cat piss. uh fucking this brand called cat piss uh strawberry blonde um grape ape i think that's that what it was great ape or grape grape uh fucking purple haze AK 47 but this is the real shit it ain't like now

these motherfuckers just get some weed and they call it fucking AK 47 and it's probably this is the real fucking deal we were smoking shit that rappers were talking about dog i was drinking fucking Aces Spade Champagne that Rick Ross was talking about. We were down here in Austin, Thursday, Friday, and Saturday popping fucking bottles. Going to VIP, my homeboy Cody dog, who's a DJ now. He, like, had this, like, VIP and entertainment. Fuck. But anyways, we were, since Droh wasn't big, they were spraying the bud with that blueberry

shit and calling that blueberry fucking kind bud. And we're making a fucking killing off of that bitch ass shit. dudes were thinking they were really smoking some dro and all they were smoking was some high grade swag paying like 25 a gram for this shit I ain't lying and then he fucked up telling some dude what he did and then that dude basically fucked the game up and everybody knew what was going on but they were making a killing off that fucking bud and you know I didn't sell bud at that time but I had put my homeboy on with him and he was just fucking fronting him

fucking 10 bricks, fucking 20 bricks out of time. He's just, same thing, their blueberry droll selling it for fucking, what, 25 a gram, fucking like 60, 70-70 eighths. Like, he was a bust down weed dealer, but you know, they were making a killing off that bitch

ass shit. Well, you eventually started making a killing off the bud later on with your uncle in Ohio. Yeah. And were you using your same meth connect from Arizona to get the luck? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I just called him and hit him from a, hit him from a burner phone, called him up.

And while I reached out to Homegirl, and I was like, hey, I need to call them. So she's like, you're on, you're on the wrong, right. But yeah, I'm like, I tell them I need to holler at them. So she's like, yeah. And because when I got up there, I didn't have a laptop. And then, like, like, I could have got one. I had money, but at the same time, like, they weren't always. in the chat room.

There are certain ways we communicated that I just don't I'm not going to talk about. So I wasn't like I can just jump on and find him like there were they were always switching things up bro. It wasn't like consistent. Like it was always a switch up.

And I think why he did that is because he was on in America. Like I'll hear guys of stories where they're like dealing with somebody in Mexico and they're like always communicating the same way. And I think they did it like that because they were, those guys were in Mexico because they played by different rules. But this dude is in the States.

So he's always switching things up like every fucking week. Like he's always switching things up. He might shoot somebody to my spot and knock on the motherfucking door. And they burn off like a knock and drop. You know what I'm saying? And then all of a sudden it's a fucking cell phone and a fucking, you know, FedEx package or some shit and I fucking there's a number in there and then I call him and he's like hey fool blah blah I'm like bet and then I just get rid of the phone and then I know the new way to get on the

fucking onion website and talk to him so sometimes I couldn't even get a hold of him and I had to wait for him to get a hold of me so I might be out of work and I got this motherfucker's money and I'm sitting here but I can't get a hold of them and I might hit home girl and be like hey can you hit him up and have him holler at me and she's like I can't get a hold of him right now. She's like, he'll get a hold of you. And then, you know, it might be, it was usually no more than three, four days. And then he would get a hold of me. I knew somebody is going to come by. And so just be sitting around waiting for him to get a hold of me. So he was always switching the routine up all the time. So it wasn't steady. So when I got up there, I had to reach out to her

and I gave her the number to the burner phone. I was like, I've never used it. It's on. Tell him to call me. And as soon as we got on the phone, he told me where to get a hold of him at. And then we're talking, you know, and I told him I was on the run. He said, I already know. And I was like, hey, look, this is what's going on up here. Because when I got up there from what I knew in that game, the clear game, the only people that were fucking with it was the Asians and the bikers. It was big in those communities. But like I told you, the clear game is a very secretive game. And it's not like an open-air market like Coke. Like, you ain't going to go out to the bar. You know, if you go out to the bar and hang out at the bar, you can kind of look around.

You can see people going to the bathroom. You know they're doing Coke. You might see the little drip in their nose. Clear ain't like that. Like you ain't just going to be chopping up with somebody and be like, hey, what's up you want to hit some ice? Like, it ain't like Coke. Coke is kind of like a party drug. Like that's an underground game.

I believe it's still like that today. More people might be accepted in it as far as like blacks and shit like that. But it's still a game where people, because it makes people paranoid, especially if they stay up three, four days, they start seeing shadow people and fucking tweaking the fuck out. looking fucking crazy because they haven't had fucking sleep and fucking, you know, five, six, seven days, they start seeing shit. So it's still a secretive game. But my uncle with the bud, so I just, you know, made the contact and I'm like, can we switch over to this? And he was like,

yeah. And then we just switched over to that. He asked me what I could do. I was like, let me talk. Like I told you, I'm very honest. So I was like, let me talk to my uncle. Can you just give me a number so I can start working some things out. But the only difference was when I talked to him about that game, he put a minimum buy that I had to be able to move. So I had to be able to move 100 or more to even fuck with him on that game. With the clear, doing the 10, 15 bricks,

because when he talked to, he's like, what can you move? And I was like, well, I can know I can move 15 with no problem. And he's like, okay. But with the bud, he was like, you got to do 100. or better. So that was a stipulation with that. So I can say that for sure with him.

With him, there was a minimum buy. But I think you got up to like a thousand. We all got it to a thousand extremely fast. I was trying to go even harder with it. But my uncle was cock-blocking the whole time. He didn't never let me meet his people. So he was cock-blocking the whole time in the situation to not even, even when I put some of his,

people on with the connect, he still cock blocked me in that situation. Like he still made it to where, but I wanted to appease him because I didn't want him to cut my water off. Because I was meeting people because I was doing music. So I was meeting people and making my own, making some moves with people, but they weren't buying mass quantity like the people he knew. Like the people he knew, they were getting it in, dog. They were doing 50, 70, 75. 500, 200, they were buying. I had a couple guys buying five, 10, like nothing major.

So I needed him. So as much as, you know, he... We even had a fallout, bro, and I fucking beat him up. And I knocked him out. I knocked him out. Like, the week I got arrested, because he was just playing me, dog.

Like, he would... I'm like, bro, get the fuck out of my way. Like, I need... Like, I'm like, and I even told him, I was like, bro, I'll pay you this much money off of every drop. Just give me your fucking people, fool? Because you're fucking bullshit and dog. Are you over here running around with these girls and shit and fucking not answering the fucking phone? You know what I'm saying?

Like, come on, dog. Like, let's get this paper. I know what's out. Like, it was too much. And then I was trying to do the music thing. So I was investing a lot of money in my music. You know, I'm paying doing this, paying doing that, doing this. I'm starting to open up for artists.

I opened up for like twist and shit like that. So like I'm making moves doing shit and fucking. So I'm investing a lot in my career trying to because I'm my whole time I'm thinking if I blow up in this rap game, if I can get on with this rap game, then I can go turn myself in. If I can catch me a dope-ass contract, the company's going to keep them from putting me back in prison. Because all I did was just stop reporting. So I hadn't caught a new fucking charge. So I'm thinking in my mind, if I can land a dope ass.

dope-ass contract, I won't go to jail. And now I can get the fuck out the game and I don't have to fucking hustle anymore. So I'm like, bro, you're in my fucking way, fool. Like, get the fuck out of the way. Like, you're in the way. Like, I'm trying to make these fucking moves. And, you know, I just, I wind up stealing off on them, you know, and, you know, we tussed a little bit and then our car with a couple shots and I slept his ass. And then after that, I thought our situation was going to be fucked up and it was fucked up because even though i apologize to him he's like we're just keeping it strictly business like when you call me i mean when i call you do it like this do it like that and then that's it he's like otherwise i he's like if i wasn't making the money i was making i wouldn't

even deal with you anymore how much were you guys making off a thousand pounds well we were getting them but when we reached a thousand because we were rotating so quick like because we could just like the spot the houses like where we could go get them like all i'd do is send a message and we could just go and pick it up so dude sometimes we are moving a thousand like every couple days dog like that's how fast we were turning and burning on them joints and we were letting him go so he was giving to me for a thousand and then i had told my uncle i would give him to him for 25 and then he was trying to move him for 35 and i was like nah just move him for three and then he was doing 32.

So then eventually I gave him to him for 2,000, and I told him to let him go for like 28. And I was like, I'm making 1,000, you're making 800. That is a good money. Like, that's good money. So you're thinking if he, like, I'm making $1,000 off a thousand, that's $100,000. That's $100,000 every couple days.

I'm not lying to you, dog. every couple fucking days. And your connect would already, he would send them to you and have them stash houses. They already got that shit there. Like the people that he fuck with, they run the Midwest or did at that time.

I don't know, they're all up there. So it was, everything was already there. Whatever I wanted to touch was there. And this was in Columbus? This is in Columbus, yeah. And these were Mexicans at these stats. Stash houses? Yeah, and Mexicans at the stash houses. Yep. And dude, we getting them in spring, doing it in Springfield, dating. Like, it wasn't just Columbus that was getting bud from us. Like, my uncle knows a lot of people, bro. Like, he grew up in the game. Like, his nickname is white chocolate. Like, this fool is, he knows a lot of motherfuckers. Is he kind of like you?

Does he kind of have that Wigger picture in him? Yeah, fuck yeah. And he's like, you're hyped. They call him white chocolate. That's what they call him. Wow. And he grew up with some people

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BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with Eye Gaming, Ontario. So your Connect, your Mexican Connect, was so plugged in. If he wanted to switch up communication from Arizona, he would send a courier with a FedEx package to you in Ohio. he would find wherever you were staying and just send you a FedEx package with a burner phone. Yeah, just say it could be FedEx.

It could be FedEx. Like, say I couldn't get a hold of them. Like, I might jump on the onion because that's what we called it. I might jump on the onion to holler at him and that site is gone. So I'm like, I can't get, I can't communicate with him

because he didn't want to talk by phone. He didn't never keep phones like that. So I can't call him so I'm like fuck the site's down you know and he's not the chat sites down that that communication is gone so I'm like fuck so I don't know what to do

so next you know say somebody comes by could be FedEx whatever it could be UPS sometimes it was the post office sometimes there was a time when somebody just came and fucking knocked on the door and fucking there was a little mailbox at the house

and this is what's weird because I wasn't even at my house I was at my partner's house, so obviously he had tabs on me because when fucking I came out, they knocked on the door, and then I was like, and it wouldn't be a loud knock, like a do do, do like a police knock. It would just be like a tch-too-ch. And we're always like jamming or my homies are playing the game or some shit. And we're sitting there, I was like, motherfucker, y'all hear that shit?

And they're like, what? And maybe they do it a couple times because they're watching. So then I remember when I came out, I looked out the peephole, nobody's there. and then I fucking open up the fucking door and I'm looking and I come out and I was like the fuck and I so my mind all-row shoots

that it's got to be him and then the little mailbox that was in the air next to the door was flipped up and I was like that's weird and then I just like put my hand in there and there was a phone in there

with the number on the phone so you think he had somebody tracking you like just following you making sure that you weren't working with the cops probably yeah because especially when I especially for sure when I like got brought back

on my K, yeah yeah he he was for sure probably watching me he had to be watching me just from that incident he had to be he had to know something he had to know something because even sometimes me and his cousin would hook up because we were like fuck buddies when we had hook up

and shit this is a woman yeah she's a female we she would ask me some questions stuff like that maybe like try to get answers out of me and stuff and i would i would look at her and i'll be like and i would always wait until i was fucked up and i would be like i'd be like man we do what you think i'm a fucking law or something like what like i was like come on bro i was like i'm build different dog like i used to be like i'm bill for tough like ain't nobody doing no stupid ass shit like that fool like and she'd like laugh it off and stuff so like so you don't think this guy your connect

was also working with the feds I mean he obviously had to be working with some type of law enforcement because he said he would never get busted he said he would know if the fucking like if the feds were on him he would know what part of Arizona was he based in can you give me the general

I ain't go I'll tell you that off camera. Was it the Phoenix area? No, no. I mean, I flew into Phoenix, but it was not that area. I never hung out with him there. I flew into there, but I didn't hang. I wasn't, he wasn't, I know the area he was based out of.

We didn't hang out there. I mean, we went to a strip club there one time. He also took me up into Scottsdale. And we hung out in Scottsdale for a weekend. But, you know, I know that. area that he based everything out of. I know that area I was there in that area with them several times. I'll tell you, though, off camera.

Yeah, I just find it fascinating because it is like the show with Jason Bateman, where they're in the family is working for the cartel, but they seem like the perfect white family, but they're laundering money for the cartel. I mean, that's pretty true to life, you know? there's a lot of corrupt people that might not necessarily be touching the drugs but are playing at country club,

playing golf of country clubs and, you know, running so-called legitimate accounting firms, law firms. I can tell you that everybody that I've fucked with with him and that we party with at the strip club, the white dudes and Mexicans that were around him, every single one of them were college graduates. You're talking about,

I'm talking about alumni. white-collar Mexicans, white-collar, white kids. They didn't fuck with blacks at all. He didn't do business with blacks. He made that very clear that he didn't do business with them. They didn't associate with them. I'm not saying that. I don't know if that was how they were.

He didn't do business with them. He said he didn't like the way they did business. And everybody that I met in his circle when we went out and partied VIP and did stuff like that when I went up there, every single one of them were college graduates, It's either from Arizona or California. That's where they went to school at. U.S. citizens.

Yeah. All involved in his organization. All involved in what he was doing, yeah. Bankers, real estate guys, clean-cut guys that were stupid fucking cool. You wouldn't even think were, it was like they were frat guys that were just having a good time. Like, that's just, that's just how it was. and to this day you

have no knowledge of him catching a case a big indictment or anything like that no no hell no no I don't I uh no yeah I don't think that he's caught

and that dude had his shit function in like a well-oiled machine and he wasn't a drug addict fuck no like they would have coke out like we'd go out and like they would have coke out and his homies might would hit some powder and party with some powder or like they had pure molly they had pure fucking molly dog and i remember i took some molly with them before because like when when i got came on from prison the exos back in like the oh seven era

oh six that era they were fucking good like one bean would fucking make you rolling and they got trash i almost died on them motherfuckers and um that i remember and it scared me and i stopped taking them Then I remember Molly came out and it started becoming a thing around, like, Colleen and all that shit, Central Texas Timble. And I took some Molly and it was like, I don't know if you ever took exos before, but like you'll get like so high. And then there's a, there's a part of it where they call it the peak. And that's where you're just like, like, you're like, you're like, ah, ha, like, it's like that. Like that Molly just like gave you the itch. Like you were like, am I going anywhere?

Like, I ain't lifted off yet. Like, I'm ready for the lift off and it never happened. and I had only seen it a couple of times and I want to say it was like the Molly that I had got was like a dark orange, dark green color and it was already in like capsules. You know, you can buy like them capsules

already and just like put the shit in there. But when I went out there, these fools had Molly that was like a beige color and it looked rocked up and he fucking broke it up. And I was like, what is that shit? And he was like, he's like,

is Molly fool? You want to fuck with it? And I was like, Like, man, I don't know. I ever tried that she was trashed. And then I told him about the XO story where I almost died. He's like, bro, this is the real shit. So they had a dude. This is what they told me.

The dude was a chemical engineer slash botanist or some shit. He was active in college. And he was making the molly. And he was serving it to the frat, all the frat. He had the whole, like, frat shit on lock. So, like, they crushed it. They're like, we promise you, you ain't gonna, like, you're, it's good. You're gonna, you're gonna, they were like, but this shit is, you're gonna go hard.

And they were like, it's addicting. So fucking, uh, I snorted some. I remember that shit started hitting me. I had to go to the restroom and take a dump. And then, man, I came out. When that shit fucking hit my ass, I fucking felt like my soul was all the way out here, dog. I was just like, fuck. Dude, I chewed up a piece of gum so much

that when I went to the bathroom and I tried to spit it out and my facial hair was lower. Like I used to take clippers, like the raw clipper and just like, so I just had like stubble. And I spit out the gum and it was so grainy and fucked up like it got stuck to my face and it hit my face

and I tried to pull it off and it smeared across my face. I'm in the mirror like this like a fucking dope fiend in the mirror trying to get gum off my face. fucking dog yeah that that shit was fucking insane at molly but i never saw that dude do any coke he never smoked no weed never took no molly he barely even drank like he could get a beer and nurse on it bullshit with it so he was thorough as they come yeah yeah he was stupid cool and on your guys's end even though you got some family issues you're beating up your uncle crazy son of a bitch

you guys never caught a case either no what do you attribute that to luck I mean obviously some skill but luck too I mean but like man I think if I would have like

pulled up like maybe the temple and then tried what I did in Columbus I probably would have maybe got him to fuck up but Columbus is big and there's a lot of motherfuckers out there playing heavy there's a and they work in crews out there so it's a little bit different trying to you got to break in to try to get somebody get the guy who's making it happen and stuff like that it's kind of like some

east coast shit how you got one big guy distributed into the small guys and they're all out there and they everything is bust down they bust everything down and then you can't even get drugs off them like because i remember when i visited in new york several times i had got some coke of their and like the guy took my money and disappeared with my money, then I don't know what happened after that. And the next day I know, I guess he got a signal because he's like, hey, your Coke's over there in the fucking the pay phone deal.

And I was like, what the fuck? And I went over there because they used to come in the bar and I met him in the bar, but he never did a hand-to-hand transaction with me. So it was like something like Ohio was something like that where they get dope and then they'll distribute it to crews and they got street guys out there making shit happen. Like he would go on in the,

east side of Columbus bro off of Roosevelt. And I'll guarantee you it's still like this to this day. And you'll fucking see dudes out there pimping bitches, dope fiend bitches on fucking, well, back then it was like perk 30s and shit. Young thug motherfucker standing right there. You'll see marked cars and unmarked cars watched them the whole time and they're just doing it wide open.

Open air hand-to-hand transactions and shit like that. And the cops are just letting it operate, letting it go down until somebody shoots somebody or something like And then they'll try to get up to the guy who's pumping. So it's a different way to do things out there. It's not easy to catch the guy who's holding the weight, like per se in Texas where they don't operate like that here. Columbus is almost like Baltimore in that sense.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. It's the, you know, that whole Midwest thing. They do it totally different out there. So your uncle was given 20, 30, 40, 50 pounds to a guy that was running a crew and it's not like an undercover can go buy weight off that crew. Yeah, yeah. They're strictly there to stretch every dollar out of every gram. I'm sure that was some of them because I didn't meet them all, but I know I didn't, like,

was kind of, I didn't, like, I met them, but we didn't really talk. But like one of the guys who I met several times because we would link up at the bar or whatever and talk, that guy was a rich-ass white dude. And he just knew a bunch of rich-ass motherfuckers that got high, because he damn sure wasn't a street guy, but that fool was buying a hundred out of time. 100 pounds a week. Yeah, he was buying 100 at a time, every fucking time.

And we saw him sometimes twice a week. But he would let me meet him because that was his childhood friend. So he already knew there was no way I could maybe on the side, hey, fool, come fuck with me. I'm the one that really got it. You know, I wouldn't have did him like that anyways, but he was worried about something like that happening. But that's why I got to meet that guy

because that was his childhood friend and he trusted him. But he wasn't no street guy. But I'm sure he was dealing with street guys that did that because my uncle was from the streets so he knew all types of motherfuckers. Yeah, to be getting off a thousand pounds of weed every couple of days,

you got to be dealing with, you know, everybody from cruiser black guys taking it out of town, busting it down. I mean, he knew everybody. Yeah, we'd go to downtown Columbus to the show. Short North and shit and go to the clubs. This motherfucker, new motherfuckers that played for Ohio State.

You know what I'm saying? Fucking, I'm meeting Ohio State football players. Fucking, we're partying, fucking VIP. Every spot we go into, they fucking know them. Like, I'm going to frat parties. Fucking dope-ass fucking frat parties in the Short North on fucking the Buckeye campus. Fucking hanging out. Like, he, dude, anybody who could get you in somewhere.

He knew them. Your uncle? My uncle did, yeah. Anybody. And then when I would go out without him, they would see me, and nobody called me Tim. They called me Frank. So they're like, Frank, come here, bro, Frank, what's up? Because of him.

So I would get into all these spots or get treated really well because of him when I would go out. And I was always out because I was doing the music thing. So I was always trying to be out to push the music thing type shit. So that's why I was always out. That's why I was actually like flashy up there because I was like presenting myself as a music guy and I was trying to make the music shit happen. So a thousand pounds of weed at a thousand bucks a pound.

That's $100,000 every two days. Are you guys just dropping the money back to the stash houses? Or are you sending it? Yeah, at that time because he knew I was on the run. So he's like, I don't want you doing anything. you know, and it wasn't always a couple days, like sometimes we might have just moved a thousand

and like four or five days or whatever the case may be. But we usually did, it was usually turning twice a week. Like usually it was turning twice a week. And yeah, and I just ran the money to the spot or like, you remember I was telling you about the bar,

like the bar like places where the like the chicks would come out and dance and stuff like that. He had me taking money there to those spots. And they're Mexicans of your meeting, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, the Mexicans. And these are like Pisa, wetback Mexicans.

Yeah, they are, but they're different. Like, I don't know if you noticed this, but like, I lived in Cali for a few years when I was a kid, and there was big Mexicans out there in Cali, like six foot tall Mexicans, where in Texas the Mexicans here are usually small and short. So, like, I was getting let in the backdoor these spots of Mexicans. that spoke English, but they were like big motherfuckers like you,

but like big, like bouncer-type motherfuckers in suits and shit. And I just pull up to the back, fucking, you know, they already knew I was coming. I'd knock on the back door and they had let me in and I'd go in the fucking back door, fucking hand him the money. We'd say maybe a couple words to each other not too much of a conversation. And then the one guy that I got pretty cool with that one of the spots like, well, sub you want something to eat? And I'm like, yeah, fuck it.

And go and he just, hey, tell him in space. I guess to take care of me. And I ate and drank for free while I was there. I just took care of the person who was serving me and then I would just leave. Go right back out the back door. Did it blow your mind? Did you ever just take a minute to think when you just made $100,000 a day, two days? And just a couple of years ago you were eating tacos with a guy on death row.

Did you think about that? Yeah, I thought about that a lot. when I was in Temple. When I was on the run in Ohio, I don't think I really thought too much about nothing except try to get as much money as I can, but at the same time I was blowing money because I knew that it was short-lived.

And then there was times I wanted to reach out to my lawyer and call him and be like, hey, man, can I come and turn myself in? It was a lot of mixed emotions, and then I was also having a lot of health problems. I was getting sick all the time. I was in and out of the hospital. Because my gallbladder had filled up with gallstone. so it stopped working

so it was actually like rotting inside my body but because of the fucking opioid epidemic up there and everybody was on the opioids one of my licks was a college student at Ohio State and you know

he was getting fucking like 10 bricks off me a week sometimes 15 but usually he stayed in the 10 area but he could get like coating pills so I was taking these coating pills and they were helping me eat because I couldn't eat.

I don't know if you remember last time when I told you I couldn't eat for like weeks. Like I could take one or two bites and I'd start getting extremely fucking nauseous. Even when I tried to brush my teeth in the morning, I hated brushing my teeth because I would always throw up like some like yellow film. It was just like stomach acid.

And so when he was hooking me up with the coating pills, I was, it was, because even the weed wasn't helping me eat, but the coating pills for some reason were helping me, be able to eat. So when I would go to the hospital to try to get seen or to get seen and they would draw my blood, they would see the fucking pills in my system. So they were thinking I was just some fucking drug addict trying to get pills. But I'm telling them I don't want no fucking pills. I'm throwing up all the time. I take these pills because they're helping me fucking eat and I can't eat. So I was dealing with my health. I'm thinking I got cancer because

right before I got busted, the week I got busted, I was supposed to go to the Ohio State Cancer Research Center because they thought I had stomach cancer. But for months of me going to clinics and ERs and shit to try to get seen, they're just thinking I'm some fucking dope fiend. Even though I don't look like a dope fiend, I'm dressed nice, but I'm testing positive for fucking these pills. And I'm in stomach pain all the time. So like sometimes I would take like Vicodintens, like Narcos to try to kill the pain. so they're thinking I'm a fucking drug addict. So a part of me is like, man, I'm probably gonna fucking die.

Like, I'm looking up the fucking survival rate of stomach cancer. Like, dude, I can't even poop. Like, it was so fucked up. And I'm even taking, like, laxatives because I know, like, codeine and, like, hydrochordone, like, they'll make your stool. So I'm taking stool softeners. And there was be times I'm sitting on the fucking toilet, bro, trying to push out poop.

And I'm, like, doing these, like, flexing. things to try to get poop out and dude there's like blood coming out into the fucking toilet I'm seeing this blood and then all of a sudden it feels like I'm shitting out a huge ass rock of fucking poop and then it's just some one little old fucking turd and I'm like what the fuck so my mind was even there where I was thinking that I was dying so I'm like I'm fucking dying this word this is where I was at I was like I'm fucking dying fucking I'm gonna spend this money I'm gonna go buy this jewelry or I'm going I went on a fucking spree where I was fucking nothing but high-end prostitutes

because I was cool with the strip club and they're bringing women from all over from Vegas or whatever and obviously they're willing to sell for sex. I'm spending money buying chicks even if the chick won't sell, I'd be like, but I'll give you 10,000. You're going to tell me you're going to deny 10,000? So a part

of me, it's like I'm torn between two people. Like a part of me is trying to save money and I want to go turn myself in and get the fuck out the way and get out of this game and then another part of me is like, fuck, I'm sick all the fucking time. I'm throwing up. I can't fucking eat. I'm probably fucking dying. I'm gonna fucking die in fucking jail. Fucking, I'm gonna live how the fuck I want to live.

So those emotions like, I couldn't conquer those emotions. So I couldn't never stay focused. Even though I did save a nice bit of money, I was also blowing through fucking money like it was going out of style. Like literally blowing through fucking money. Just buying useless shit all the fucking time. I had so many goddamn pairs of fucking shoes. It was fucking crazy. God damn journeys, the store and fucking the mall journeys. Dude, I bought

so many vans from them motherfuckers that they like gave me like a, like basically like a vendor's deal basically. Like when they got new vans and they would wholesale me fucking vans like I was a vendor because I was buying so many shoes from them. Paxon did the same thing. I think

was it Paxon? I was going into Paxon buying fucking jeans and shit all the time. These jeans called bull head jeans. It was like when they first started introducing like the skinny, stretchy jeans. So they were kind of wide up here and they came down to like tighter than boot cut, but they were stretchy. And they had like the young and the reckless t-shirts and all that shit, the diamond and code t-shirts. Dude, they were whole, hey, we got a new week. Our winter, our winter aware just came in. Woo. And I would just go in there, bro, and fucking drop a bag with

the motherfucker. I would walk in with the Adidas bag, fucking $100,000, $200,000. fucking and just be like, what's up, fool? Let me fucking, man, I'm buying all my homies clothes. Because I had an entourage with me when we had go and pass out CDs and when I'd go perform,

I'd have a gang of motherfuckers with me and I took care of every single one of them. They all had money in their pocket. They all, because I even had a team on the east side of young motherfuckers, my boy, I see Mike in them. Bro, I would give them bricks and they would bust down and sell it.

And fucking, dude, I took care of them motherfuckers. They all had jewelry and they were just straight up robbers dog white boys gangster motherfuckers some gd cats because in the midwest there's a this is known you can look this up from back in like that i think the 60s it's an all white gd set so like there's a gang of white boys up there that are GDs and these white boys and there was some black dudes with them they're all GDs on the east side and i was dropping off like five 10 bricks to damn sometimes a little more and they were busting them down selling them doing their fucking

thing and I kept them with me everywhere I went. So if I went and did shows and shit, we all piled up and they all came. They all dressed nice. They all had money in their pocket. If I went shopping, I'd take them with me because I was also trying to present this larger than life image with the music thing. So I would take them out with me. Like I sent, I sent one of y'all the YouTube video where the dude was filming me and I was in my fucking Infinity G37S and we were riding around because they rode around Columbus with me and we were talking and I'm in the infinity G37S with the fucking cream seats you know I mean that that car right there I think was like 56,000 I got I got that whole cash I dropped cash on that hole I mean that's not a lot of money but

you know for somebody on the run you know to get a car like that because there's a lot of corruption in Ohio so you know there's a lot of shady shit going on up there where you can actually make a lot crazy ass moves up there. But yeah, so I was blowing money crazy. How so? What do you mean? With the corruption. Well, because you know, the mob, bro. Like, the mob was up in Columbus, like, tough in Ohio, period.

Cleveland, shit like that. Like, that shit's still like that, bro. Like, it's still, like, it's very corrupt up there, don't. Like, there's a lot of corruption. No, you can, you can, you can fucking make some shit happen for yourself up there. That's for sure. I'll say in Ohio being a crook pace if you're playing the game right. You can definitely play the game right. They got enough stewheads to lock up.

If you play the game right, you can stay out on the streets and make you some nice bread and get the fuck out the way. That's fucking for real. And any Ohio players that watch this will say the same fucking thing because they got him up there.