The Connect- with Johnny Mitchell - How A USC Football Star Became A Cocaine Kingpin With The Sinaloa Cartel: The Legend Of Owen Hanson

Episode Date: October 20, 2025

In this explosive episode, former USC football standout Owen Hanson—once living the dream on the field—reveals how he plunged into the dark underworld of the Sinaloa Cartel, moving hundreds of millions in cocaine across continents. Known as “O-Dog”, Hanson opens up about his journey from campus celebrity and sports bookmaker to international drug trafficker working directly with El Chapo’s network. Host Johnny Mitchell dives deep into Hanson’s transformation—from selling steroids to teammates at USC, to orchestrating high-level cartel deals spanning Peru, Mexico, Australia, and the U.S. Hanson recounts the lavish highs, the paranoia of living double lives, and the eventual FBI sting that brought it all crashing down. Now a free man and entrepreneur, Hanson shares how he rebuilt himself after prison, founding California Ice Protein and using his story to warn others about ego, greed, and the illusion of power. This episode blends crime, redemption, and raw honesty—a gripping story of how a promising athlete became a global kingpin, and how he’s now rewriting his legacy. Go Support Owen! Movie: https://www.primevideo.com/detail/Cocaine-Quarterback-Signal-Caller-for-the-Cartel/0ITIO5AR39FDEY5RIG7APVMWF9 Book: https://www.thecaliforniakid.com/ IG: https://www.instagram.com/theofficialcakid/ YouTube: @theofficialcakid This Episode Is #Sponsored By The Following: GLD! Work Hard and Change the Game. For a limited time only, new customers are getting an insane deal. Use code MITCHELL to get 50% Off plus a Free Chain at https://gld.com BetterHelp! This World Mental Health Day, we’re celebrating the therapists who’ve helped millions of people take a step forward. If you’re ready to find the right therapist for you, BetterHelp can help you start that journey. Our listeners get 10% off their first month at https://betterhelp.com/CONNECT Rag & Bone! Upgrade your denim game with Rag & Bone! Get 20% off sitewide with code CONNECT at https://rag-bone.com #ragandbonepod Join The Patreon For Bonus Content! https://www.patreon.com/theconnectshow 00:00 Intro: The Rise and Fall of Owen Hansen 01:00 College Football Glory & Wild USC Parties 04:41 Owen Hansen's Documentary & Rebuilding Trust 07:00 From Prison to Entrepreneur: Life After Release 11:00 Logistics of the International Drug Trade 17:00 Creative Smuggling: Wine, Chocolate & Global Routes 18:22 Get A Great Deal From GLD! 20:58 Bookmaking Millions: The Sports Betting Business 35:00 The Art of Collecting Debts & Avoiding Trouble 44:00 Law Enforcement Evasion and Daily Operations 46:58 Today's Sponsors 49:33 Cartel Connections & The Power of Payouts 01:00:00 Scaling Up: Canada, Australia & Moving Big Loads 01:11:00 Money Laundering and Gold: Schemes & Shell Companies 01:19:00 The Fall: Informants, Raids, and Indictments 01:31:00 Warehouse Operations, Canada, and High Volume Moves 01:40:00 High Life Burnout and Personal Toll 01:54:00 Sentencing, Cooperation, and Prison Life 02:03:00 Extradition, Testimony, and Sentence Reduction 02:08:00 Prison Reflections and Survival 02:12:00 Reinvented: Ice Cream Kingpin & The Road Ahead 02:13:00 Final Thoughts: Redemption and New Beginnings Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Owen Hanson, right here on The Connect with Johnny Mitchell. Dude, I think it's number three. I think cocaine quarterback is dropping. It was seven, six, and I heard yesterday, or two days ago it was five. Wow. That's awesome. If you get to one, I think of featured films,

that's definitely needed. It's great. It's great. And I read the book too, but people should go watch the doc. You got to watch the dock. Yeah, you watch the dock. Your father, the dock ends with your dad, like,

nervous. Stress. You just got out. You did a dime in the feds. You just got out and your dad is talking to the camera like, I hope he doesn't go back. I hope he doesn't go. He ain't getting no compensatory money.

He says, hey, I hope he gets to use the hammer and nail like I did. Right. Remember that? Like you want you to go into construction. At the end of the day, I won't go into construction,

but I'll definitely use the slow and steady model now, right? But you're such an entrepreneur. Like you're already making moves and you're back on your feet, literally less than a year. Yeah. Right? Since you've been home?

Yeah. I got out of the halfway house June of 2025. Yeah. So three, four months. June 22, No, 25. Oh, yeah, you just did because when we talked. When you and I had our first interview, I had to get clearance from the warden.

So your father really was worried. He really thought, like, you would be crazy enough to get back in the game. He just knows how I like that fast cash. You know, that rush that I've played for so many years, whether it was in football or, you know, smuggling drugs across the country. Right. Into other countries, right? And shoot, I remember telling my dad, like, they had just bleep.

It's just believing me. And I feel like I didn't have his trust when I got out. And literally, I took him to the premiere. And I sat him down. We watched it. I could see there was like a tear in his eye. And then the next day, I had a law enforcement conference in Yuma, Arizona. And I said, Dad, I want to show you what I'm doing now.

I'm not going down that route. Let me show you what I'm doing now. So I took him Border Patrol, U.S. Customs, ICE, all in Yuma, like 300 agents. It's so weird how like ex, you know, big time drug dealers get out and then they become buddies with law enforcement. They show them the routes. They show them how it's done. And drugs still just pour into the country. Like there's no stopping.

There's new methods every day, right? It's like taking water in your hand and saying, let's try to make, let's try to keep this water in your hand. It's going to spill through. It's impossible. It's impossible. Now, did, was part of your, I know your father was obviously devastated when you went away, but was part of him when he found out. when he found out the scale of it, was he like, that's my boy. There was like a part of them that was like,

you were doing how many kilos a month you were moving? Like he's like, you know, he talks about it in the documentary, right? He says my son could have been a CEO for a Fortune 500 company, but he was so into that money, that fast cash. And he mentions it. And he knows if I do something, I do it at full scale. It's kind of like this ice cream. Yeah.

I started making an ice cream, but I'm not. going to just make one ice cream for one store. I want to bring it nationwide and eventually international. Once my mind gets to something, it's like I won't stop until it gets to the top. Well, I mean, for most people, it's like you started off playing beach volleyball. I'd just be like, oh, my son's gay. Okay. Great. My son's a Funuk. Yeah. But people don't realize Hermosa Redonda Beach. Like, that's the mecca of a beach volleyball. Yeah. And back in the day, like the AVP was around and beach volleyball was like, you are the man if you're a good volleyball player.

For California. Right. Yeah. You are right. It's a gay sport anywhere else. Right? Yeah. Like anywhere else, like, oh, you play volleyball.

Trust me, I got a lot more chicks when I told them I played on the USC football team. For sure. For sure. And you got like no run on the football team. I got in one game my whole career. Is that true? Yeah, that's it. God.

But I mean, so you were kind of like Rudy. I was definitely Rudy. With a lot of cocaine. My father, big. square, you know what I mean? When I got knocked and they with all this cash, because I didn't find any work, he goes privately to me, he goes, oh man, you should have given me that money, dude. We could have, we could have built like generational wealth. My father, the lawyer, the guy who never got a parking ticket. So I think it's funny because, yeah, I just, I saw a lot of my father and

your father when I, when I watched the documentary. It was, it was sweet. Yeah. You know what I mean? I think he was happy about the bookmaking business because he, He knew I was a bookie. Obviously, it was his friend that gave me the introduction. So he was like, he's been watching, you know, mom movies his whole life. And, you know, he's like, how's your bookie business tone? And I'm like, Dad, it's doing great. Like, you know, like, because it's such a gray area.

You're not going to get in trouble to be a bookie. So he was like, rah, rah, keep you going. But little did you know, I had the cartel backing my bets. Yeah. Yeah. And that's the way that you met the junior kingpin. He might be. You still won't tell me who this guy is.

I'm not going to tell him. But I believe it. You know. I believe it's, can I say who I think it is? You can say who you believe. I'm not going to confirm. I think you were, I want to say, I first I thought it was Yvonne Archivaldo,

but you say, unless you're lying to me, when they brought United Tijuana, Puerto Puyasco, I think. Puerto Nuevo. Yes, that little town just on the Baja coast. Someone had the turf then. It wasn't the Tijuana cartel.

No, I understand that. It was definitely seen a low. That's, we haven't hid that fact. But the problem is you said that you called him Hefe, the guy who you met with after you, the money got lost from Australia, the two or three million dollars, you said he was in his 40s.

Yvonne Archievaldo, who's the head of the Chapisa now, he would be too young. He wouldn't have been, he's like literally your age now. So were you lying about the age of Hefe? I'm not saying any age. No, why is that? I think when I told you the age, I meant the age now. Okay. I believe.

That's what I believe I told you. That's, I mean, look, it was one of Choppos' sons is what you told me. So if that's the truth, it could only be either the guy who's locked up, who helped get Mayo arrested, which who was, I can't remember his name. It's chopos, one of Choppos' sons. The only one who's still running is Yvonne. I'm not confirming or denying. Now, if you've met with ICE, you've met with ICE, you've met with DEA, you've met with, you've met with, you've met with, you've met with, Why won't you just?

Because they don't even know. I've never even told them. When I go into those, these speaking events with law enforcement, the first thing my handler that brings me to these and pays for my trips, the first thing he says that he's not talking about anybody he worked for because he hasn't done that yet. And he's not talking about who he worked for. But I'm just curious.

Is it a respect thing? Because I have an ex-wife that was from that country. And out of respect to her, my ex-wife was with me for the whole time. I see. And out of respect for her because she still lives down there. Oh, okay. Okay. That makes a little more sense.

That makes a little more sense. It's a madness in Columbia Con right now. Madness. Everybody's getting killed. That makes sense. Everybody's true. Because it's like saying if I was like, I worked for Men Show. He's the most wanted guy in the world.

What are you saying that? How is that going to make a difference? It's not going to help anybody. But okay. All right. I respect that. I respect that. Dude, you left out a lot of shit when we talked last.

time. Well, we had to, right? We had Walberg on her ass. That's true. I don't want Walberg showing up at my door with Donnie. Yeah. Hey, fuckface. Hey, fuck face. The talk isn't out yet. You cock sucker. You talked to, I didn't know you were in Peru when you were working. Dude, I didn't want to go to Peru, but remember, I had to check the work for El Hefe. And he says, you're bringing it into the U.S. or excuse me, El Hefe is bringing it. into the U.S. and I'm bringing it into Australia. So he says, you need to go check the work that you're bringing in. So I had a, he paid for it and I had to go stamp every bird that came from Peru into Mexico. How many bricks? A thousand, a ton. I had to literally stamp everything. So I had a guy

testing it, make sure it was high heat. He would test it right there. Each, each kilo would take like 15 minutes to test. So hold on, first of all, who's the plug in Peru? Because people don't focus on Peru. They focus on Colombia. They focus on Mexico. Peru, I mean, it's just a... It's the bomb as Coke, and they have, like, cartels now. Yeah. But who's the, who is the connect down there? Not my, my contact.

But are these, like, indigenous people? Yes, indigenous. You're going literally, you're taking a car, like three hours up in the mountains. From Lima? Yeah, from Lima. Wow. Yeah, it's insane. Did you fly in their private?

No. Okay. You don't have to fly in private. I know that, but... Yeah, land Chile, or land Peru. Okay. First class, beautiful flight. Right, right.

And actually, ironically, one of the guys... that used to work for one of the bookies that used to work for was had a base in Peru yes they got busted actually 2000 I want to see like 12 okay 2013 so I flew after they got busted they were already in prison wow okay so I didn't even have that contact to hang out with so it was really fucking stressful for wow so but he had your boss Hefe had the whole thing set up it was all set up so you got picked up from the airport you went way deep in a bulletproof car Wow. And deep, deep, three or four hours.

And I remember I was sitting in there, and I was like getting so high from all the fumes. And it was like, I was literally like in the rainforest. And they put me in this little room and I had my guy with me that would test that El Hefea sent. And how do they test it? They cook it. They take it and they cook it with foil,

kind of like you would cook crack. And they literally take a gram. They weigh it out and they turn it up. They turn it into like rock, and then they weigh that rock. And whatever that percentage is, so if it's, let's say it's like 0.95 of a gram, then we know it's 95%. Yeah. And I had to do it with everyone because I remember El Hefei told me one time he had a guy in Guatemala

where they picked up a ton of Coke and the guy swapped it out. And the guy ended up getting killed for it. Wow. So my face was on this. And I was like, fuck, I'm not fucking this one up. Yeah, no shit. And I personally stamped every time they were good. I stamped it.

I had this kangaroo stamp made. It was like, you know, they used for cattle. I had it made with a kangaroo on it. Wow. And I literally stamped everyone. Spring weekends are all about family, sunshine, and evenings on the patio. Before everyone arrives, I stop by my local total wine and more to grab a great bottle to share. With such a wide selection and the lowest prices, it's easy to find something amazing for everyone to enjoy.

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Because I've heard they can, you know, shysters can make the top of the kilo pure, but then fuck with the middle of it. They can. You got to go deep. So how are Peruvian cartels? How do they operate? Are they strapped? No, they're strapped and not like Mexico. Not like Mexico. Very low key. Low key. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Like you could see like a handgun and that's about it. Right. Well, they don't have they they don't have the violent culture that Mexico. Yeah. And

Columbia have. Yeah. They're not hanging people from the bridges. They're a little. I mean, they have a lot of violence in their history with the government and with like, leftist guerrillas, but they're, they were pretty humble, nice people. I've been to Peru. Yeah. People are great. Yeah. And the Spanish is really easy to pick up. I would love to deal.

If I was, if I was sourcing drugs, I would go to a place like Peru. It's so cheap. I think they're like 1,500 a kilo. So that was Hefe's price? But you got to remember, there's transportation involved too. There's freight. Okay. So how long does it take you to test a thousand birds?

Dude, I was there for, do the math. like three days. Wow. Yeah. And where are you staying? Right there, dude. I don't want to leave. It's like I'm sleeping there.

I'm waking up. They're giving me coffee. Dude, I'm literally. And are you trying it? Are you? You must have to. Are you taking Xanax too?

No, Xanax. Zanx? Zanx? This plays a big part of your story, buddy. Xanax is good. I mean, thank God I'm not taking that anymore.

But yeah, Xanax was definitely a big part. Up down, up down. Sorry. Zanx was a, a big factor in college too like everybody wanted Xanax

What do you think was the hardest to kick To be honest for me it was the Xanax Because when I went to prison They're like dude what's wrong with you I said I've been on Xanax for like 10 years And they're like the doctors are looking at you And they're like dude that's the hardest drug to get off of Benzos

Wow yeah for sure yeah and that makes sense Dude literally for three months I was kicking it in the prison cell I was like Give me something guys give me something Mm-hmm. So you're up there. You test out 1,000 keys come back good. A thousand keys is only 1.5 million.

That's his price, dude. Do the math. Do the math. Holy fuck. And then, so tell us the route. Are these birds, are all of them going to Australia? No, no. This is, I probably had, what did I have?

I would say it probably saw maybe a hundred of those birds in Australia. Because remember, I lost that money of El-Hafis, and then I had to come back and bring it in myself through, through my route. Right. And if you watch the documentary, I talked about the wine. And then they didn't talk about it in the documentary, but I did a lot of chocolate, a lot of chocolate. Right.

So, and we're going to rehash some of that. But let me ask you this. Why not, if you know that at least 100 of those bricks are going to make it to Australia, why send them north into the States to then be shipped to Australia? Why not figure out our way to get them out of Peru, which seems like it'd be easier to, easier to pay people off? My logistics wasn't there yet. I see.

You know what I mean? I didn't have enough. You got to remember, I was what, 26 years old. I didn't have those international contacts yet. But in a perfect world, yeah, it makes more sense. I would technically, if I did it,

like I'm not ever going to do this again, but if I had the knowledge I do now, I would definitely get a sailboat and take it somewhere, maybe Hawaii, and then from Hawaii, go to Australia. Yeah. And that would be a lot easier

than the method they are bringing it in. And I think what I've been told they were bringing in through cacao, which is a popular item in Peru. Cacao's chocolate. Chocolate. Yeah. Chocolate beans. Chocolate beans.

Okay. And they would, this is what I was told at least. They would bring it to Mexico that way. That makes sense. And then Mexico obviously would use that cacao for other things. So to the best of your knowledge, that load made it through. That definitely made it through because I saw the birds. You saw the stamp.

Yeah. When they got to L.A.? My stamp. Yeah. Holy shit. And where would you warehouse them again when they did make it across? We had an office in Los Angeles off of Normandy, and it was our construction's office, and it was like a warehouse where we had all our tools and bathtubs and faucets and whatever

we would use in our real estate properties that we were building. Because you were a home builder. Yeah, we were home building. And I remember with my contractor, Charlie Reston P.C., ended up getting indicted and hanging himself. Yeah, right, he was just too scared to go to prison. And he ended up hanging himself in one of our job sites. Oh my God. Yeah, what a way to go, huh?

But he was the one that was safeguarding the... He was basically... We had an agreement every kilo that I got into Australia. I'd give him a thousand bucks. And he would help me break it down into the wine. In the bathtubs? In the bathtubs? So you would have 10,000 grams.

I think you'd do like 10 keys at a time, right? So you have 10,000 grams in the bathtub at that warehouse? Yep. And we'd break it down with Everclear, 150 proof. Which you can't buy in California, by the way. You have to order it online. Really? Yeah, that's ill.

I understand why that shit's poisonous. Yeah. If you and I had a shot, we'd be drunk off of one shot. It's disgusting. No, no, I'm good. Let's lay. Let's relapse, dude. Let's move some work.

Yeah, that's definitely not going down that path. But, no, it was crazy. We literally had these oars. You know, you think of those oars that you use for, like, you know, a boat or they were actually, I had a stand-up paddleboard, surfboard. and I had one of those oars for stand-up paddle. And I remember getting that from one of the surf shops. And literally Charlie and are in there just like mad scientist, dude.

Right. It was so messy. So messy. We're just getting loaded on the fumes. But it didn't matter we were using at the time. Okay, so if you're a real fan of this show, you know how much I love gold. I buy it every month as an investment and a hedge against inflation and the coming crash of the U.S. dollar. Gold yesterday just hit $4,000.

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And then they, on the other end, in Australia, had guys that would strain it out. And people are like, oh, man, you're making all this money. No, we're not actually making that much money. They don't realize, like, when I, my agreement's 50-50 with Australia. So, like, when I sell them a bird for 100, they're now charging us whatever it costs the guy, the chemist. So the chemist started charging us 50 grand to bring them back. So do the math. I'm like, okay, there's all your profit.

You guys are, okay, so now we're. I'm giving it you 100, so now it drops to 50 grand. And remember, I got to give half to La Hefe and half goes towards my tab. And then you got to remember bringing the money back is also another 25% fee. So by the time you get this stuff back off like a hundred-gown purchase, after the chemist has brought it back,

after you've given your cut to Australia, after you've paid the money lenders, you're only looking at like 15 grand. Like, fuck, I'm doing all this for nothing. So then that's when I got creative and started doing the chocolate route. Right, right. Okay.

So when a key gets purchased by L. Hefe for 1,500 in Peru, what do you think his freight costs? Like, when it gets to Mexico, what do you think he's paid for them? I know by the time it's got to Mexico, I want to say he's paid like close to double. So he's that, I mean, who cares, right? 3,000. He's really getting bent over. But then his transportation from where in Mexico to the Tijuana border, then you got to hop the border. That's where it's the most expensive.

If it's 1,500 just right for the hop. Right. Per bird, which I mean, I'm sure it's more now. I don't know what it's at anymore. And would they bring it over piecemeal or? They usually do like 20 at a time. Okay. They have stash cars.

Okay, so he wasn't bringing it over in big like semi-trucks? They were just doing it. Peaceing him out. Piecing him out. Yeah. He's very conservative. So what was your price when it got to you? No, we had an agreement that he would be given, just to printing what we purchased it at,

but by the time I got to L.A., we'd give it, he'd charge me, 15 to 16. But some days, I remember I paid 28. Like, it just depends where we got it from. Yeah. Like, those ones were obviously cheaper because we got it from the source. But, like, sometimes when we were bringing it from Guatemala,

we were obviously paying more for a bird. Right, because you've now had to go land over through Guatemala. Exactly. Yeah. Okay. So, I mean, if you didn't have to pay, if you could have kept your money in Australia,

wholesale bricks, or you're selling them to your guy for $100,000. And they're selling them. Like I had a middleman when I first started, and he was selling to them for 150. Right. So everybody's making at least 50. And my deal, the first round when I worked for El Hefei, is he gave him to me for 50. I would sell it for 100.

My guy would take it for 100, sell it for 150. So everyone's making 50. Did you consider keeping that money? Did you consider like making a base in Australia and just keeping that? Because you had millions of dollars. The whole problem was now you've got $5 million in an apartment in Sydney. did you think let's just start laundering this here. Let's start buying buildings.

I did, actually. I was purchasing a condo right on the water in Darling Harbor, literally on the water. It was like a million bucks. And I remember the only thing I didn't like about it was on a land lease, 99-year lease. I was like, eh, that's right, but it's on the water. But I was literally going to purchase this thing with cash. And then Robin Hood like a week later lost that money. And I was like, okay, I got to get out of Australia now.

Right. I see. Damn. Yeah. We're not going to go into Robin Hood too much. Go watch the documentary. He's a gambler, grifter, who you gave money to to go to a casino and bet some of it and then cash out with the chips and bring you a check.

And he fucked it up. And it's ultimately the reason that you went down, which is a really stupid reason. But that's how it works in the game. It's usually just bad luck, dude. Hey, it's always, I always tell people there's always that one informant, right? Yeah. Did you have any other leaks in your crew besides? He became that FBI informant and we knew for so long

and there's nothing we could do because I was like, guys, we got to pay the cartel back. Fuck this. Like, I don't care. I know he's there. I had a private investigator that worked for me. That was work for the DEA and FBI. He's in the documentary.

Yeah. And he would tell me, I would say, hey, run this license plate. I got these spectrum mobile vehicles in front of my job sites. Like, why are they here for like three days in row? They're not setting up spectrum lines. I don't see any lines. And I'd give him the license plate.

And he said, no, those are the feds. Wow. So we knew for many years, we were never watching us. Yeah. I mean, we're talking like 2013 and that happened. I didn't get arrested until the end of 15. Right. So it's just like, it's a game of cat and mouse.

Let's just pay these guys back. Like that was my main, like, my number one concern was paying them back. And I'll tell you when I got arrested, Johnny, I was like, fuck, yeah, it's finally over. Like, it was such a relief. Wow. I've heard that from a lot of guys. Not the guys that are going to go to prison forever.

I'm sure they don't feel relieved. No. But, you know, I don't know. My ex-wife, she's from Sinolao. She goes, I said, what do you think Chapo's doing now? She's like, baby, he's relaxing. He's just on vacation now. But I don't think of it like that.

I don't think so. He said AP. He's being tortured, bro. He's losing his mind. He's losing his mind. For sure. I'd rather be dead. Well, that's why I kind of got to respect guys like Pablo more than the Mexicans

because they, Paolo was like, why would I continue to live, dude? I'm going to shoot my way out. Yeah, he did. Yeah, it's, I don't know. I think it's because, you know, you got addicted to the lifestyle like chopo

and your ego goes out of control and, you know, they think it can't happen to them. Speaking of a lifestyle, how about these narcos, what do they do with women? You know, we were talking about early. Oh, yeah. Dude, you were, you were cosplaying a Mexican drug king, bro. You would go ahead, tell us.

You would buy chicks, tities and asses, tities, lips, teeth. I remember Tank used to always joke my lieutenant in command for the operation. He was always like, hey, you should start an organization. He goes, you bought more asses, tities, and boobs. And anybody I know, he goes, you know how they have build a bear? Why don't we do build a babe? Yeah, build a bitch, dude. I was going to build a bitch.

And I literally, I had this doctor in, in Mexico, did the BBLs, did the titties. And then I had a dentist also in Mexico that did the teeth. And I had fly girls out over like once a month. So you would just meet a girl who was like a six and you would fall in love with her and be like, I got something for you. I wouldn't fall in love until they were built out. It's so vacuous. You're such a, you're such a beach kid. You're such a jock.

That's what a jock would do. That's what a jock does. I would be like, yeah, we're going to, I would be a dork with my money. I'm a super dork with my money. You're not going to know I have money. Yeah. I'm going to pull up in a Toyota Corolla. You know what I mean?

But you like, you were really that guy, that white guy that acted like a Latino. Alpha, right? Yeah. Definitely an alpha. Yeah. But that's what's interesting about your, it's, it's a perfect encapsulation of why humans need to feel like, like they need an identity. For sure.

And you always wanted belonging because your mom left. She took your sister when you were a little kid. And that was the beginning of it. Then I got cut from the volleyball team. Right. Exactly. But you found identity in sports in the group, you know? The team happened with the cartel too, you know.

Yeah. I like that narco culture for me. Like that, dude, when they wrote that song when I was in prison, you heard it on the documentary. That's so sick, bro. I was like, dude. Can we play that over the... Dude, for sure.

Where do we find that? It's on Shopify, Spotify, iTunes, don't play on. Right now we're going to loop that in if we're able to. It's so cool. Okay, we might be able to do it in post. I don't know if there's a copyright around it. No. But we'll play like a little snippet.

Owen Hansen has his own narco Corrieu. That is so sick, bro. Dude, your Spanish is epic. It's pretty good. It's pretty good. You explode with your heart. Dude. He rolled them.

Yeah, so dude, I literally love that life. I loved it, dude. I'd fly private. I had the fucking Sikarios picked me up in bulletproof cars. I had girls like looking at me like, who are you, right? And I'm just this fucking white surfer kid with a comb over. And it's you get all the attention because you're different. You're like the gringo, the whero.

The whero. The whero. Called you wero. So like, yeah, you're getting all this attention. But you, it starts with, it really started with going to USC. Correct. And people, they don't touch on this on the dock, but you were selling drugs. They don't talk about that at all.

A little, right? Just like to my steroids, the steroids to the teammates. Right. But you were going down, exactly. But you were going down to Mexico to get steroids your freshman year. Freshman year. Crazy. Why did nobody else think, oh, we can go to Mexico to get sterile?

No one had the balls. You got to remember, these are all USC spoiled kids. Right. And they're all there on scholarship. Athletes are on scholarship. They're not going down. They're not going down there. First of all, they're scared shitless.

Yeah, because Tijuana back then was a blood bath. Do you remember? That was when the Arianas were. down there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Dude, I would go down there and the arias on us were active. Yeah. Because you were there like 2002. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was when Benhamine got killed, but, but it was still, it was very, very dangerous back then. And so you would go so all you, you, you walked on to the USC football team. Yep. As a what again? What did you play? As a tight end.

You were a tight end. I was part of the back-to-back national champions, the last two that ever been one there. So dope. And you almost had the best of both worlds because you got the lifestyle and the, and you got to be part of this star football team and all the benefits, but you didn't have to play. I laughed because everyone's like, dude, he rode the bench. Yeah, I said, I never played football in my life. What do you expect? Do you expect me to start? Why do you think they wanted you? What was the value of bringing on a guy that you're never going to play? The value was because during practice, I would be going against the number one off, number one defense. because I was a tight end.

So they would dress me as the player that we were playing that week. So I was the tight end. Whoever we were playing, let's say we were playing Penn State. I would be the tight end for Penn State. So they beat the shit out of me. They don't care what happens to me.

If I get hurt, who cares? I see. And then now our offense doesn't have to go against our number one defense in practice. I see. That makes sense. So they call them black shirts. That makes sense.

But you beat out a bunch of people for that walk on spot. I was number four tied in on the team. And there's, I mean, literally, 120 guys on the team and I was a number four Tynan. I played behind. Every guy I played behind went to the NFL. Dude, that dynasty turned out

dozens of NFL players. 70. 70 NFL players between the two teams I played on. And this was when before LA got their football NFL teams back. So it was USC. That was the only football in town. Dude, we had everyone

Denzel Washington, Will Farrell, Snoop Dog, Shaquille, O'Neill. I remember Snoop Dog used to come to our practices. Dude, it was awesome. Yeah, yeah. And you were, like, partying with Paris Hilton. Yeah. Kim Kardashian before she was even who she is now, right?

Yeah, you weren't even black enough for her, though. Dude, I wasn't. Damn, she was fucking. She started dating, like, running back, Reggie Bush. Yeah. Yep. And so you guys were, like, living like NFL players, but at 20 years old in college.

Yeah. And people were getting hurt and getting beat up, and you saw the business. They called me Dr. O'Dong. they would come to me and practice and like, hey, doctor, what do you suggest? Man, you need a little decaduribol. Let's put you on some growth hormone. And I think I'm going to get you in some anavar.

And I think that'll heal you real quick. And they're like, you sure? I said, yeah. I said, come over tonight and I'll inject it for you. A lot of these guys were scared to inject it. Right. So were you, did you go down just for yourself to get steroids first? Yeah.

Originally for me. Because you were fucking huge. You were like comically big. Remember that picture they showed like on the poster? Like, and I'm just like Jack with all the tattoos. I was like 250 pounds at that time. That's correct, because you're not that tall. No, 6.3.

Oh, you were 6.3? I guess I'm just really tall. I'm jacked. Yeah. 250's a lot. Yeah. No, that's right. I weigh 205 now.

That's crazy. So you're 250. So people see it really quick. They're like, dude, what are you on? Now, did you sell Coke? Because you were selling a lot of Coke. So I worked, you remember, I went to Redondo High. And a lot of my friends I grew up with were from a Serenio gang called Northside Redondo.

Redondo 13. Right. And I had that contact. And that was the first contact I had for cocaine. Were you selling to your teammates? Yeah, no, yeah, of course. I was telling my fraternity brothers, my teammates, dude, we party. Let's face it, when you go to USC, you party.

So were your teammates getting high during the season? Listen, I'm not going to touch it. Oh, come on, you fuck. It was 20 years ago, dude. You see that we raged. Like, do you think Paris Hilton would go out with us if we weren't doing Coke? Come on. Own it all.

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to your teammates. We're fucking cocaine quarterback. Yeah. We got people like, why quarterback you were a tight end? Because it just sounds good. It's just sounds good. It's just marketing.

It's just Amazon. So, wait a minute, so you didn't feel any qualms. You're like this guy that's all about camaraderie, but didn't you like... Listen, my one thing I didn't allow, I didn't allow my teammates

to take storage during season. The reason being is because if they tested positive, which we drug test all the time for steroids, it's going to fall back somewhere on me. Okay, so you were only, Everybody was just popping during the off season. Okay, I see, that makes sense. I got them ready for the season.

How did you, but isn't there a withdrawal period? Like, how did you ease them? I eased them off with a little clomid and HCG, which brings your nuts back and lowers your, brings your testosterone levels to normal. Right. I had it down, dude. Yeah.

I would stop them like one more, one month before season starts. Now, you didn't save any of this money, but you made a lot of money in college. I mean, I used it. I partied with it. I mean, I saved. I saved to go out in college.

I can't remember. I didn't come from a family with money. So it's like I use that money to survive. Sorority girls want to go out. Guess what? I have money now. Some hot capa gamma gamma wants to go to the 9-0 tonight. At least can buy her drinks and take her to dinner.

Right, right. Did you sell Coke to your teammates? If your teammate came to you like on a Friday and wanted Coke and we got we got to play my ducks, we got to play the U of O tomorrow, Would you say? No, after the game. After the game. Good.

Even at the Orange Bowl, I remember we went to the Orange Bowl. And we won the Orange Bowl and like, all right, boys, we could party. Oh, shit, dude. So were you selling like a kilo a week or a kilo a month? I would say it was about a month. Because you're in college. Because you better remember. It's just Graham.

You're just selling on grams, right? And my roommate in college, my fraternity brother, we lived on these like bunk beds, right? In college, you know, it's bunk beds and a fraternity house. And I would just literally leave them. like between four and eight ounces every time I'd go to practice. And literally, I'd come back from practice and he'd like, dude, we sold out. I'm like, dude, that's awesome. Every time he would sell an ounce, he got a gram on me. I was like, that's how our sales structure worked. Every time he sold 100 bills, he got two ecstasies on me.

Wow. That's a good deal for you. For me, yeah. Wow. You had sell an ecstasy too. Yeah, that was a big one. I remember spanky or who was it, Scrappy from my neighborhood, or from Northside of Redon would come and bring me a boat, a boat to a thousand pills. Right. And that's what early 2000's ecstasy was popping. Huge, right? He'd given me like three or four dollars a pill.

And I'd sell them for 20, obviously. Yeah. Dude, people loved XTC back then. I didn't realize how much USC rich kids party. Because it's such a doric school. There's so many Asians and people going to film school. Now, but back then you got to remember a lot of USC alumni, like a lot of their parents back then when it was pretty much legal.

All these big USC alumni that have these kids that, aren't that good in school. They're paying their way to get them in, right? Then the varsity blue scandal happened. What was that? That's that big FBI indictment where they got all these parents that are paying for this guy. He went to the feds, but this guy was literally juicing all these like coaches, like volleyball coaches, rowing coaches, like, hey, can you have this girl be on your rowing team

as a walk on so I can get her into the school? And they were like photoshopping pictures of rowing and shit. Dude, it's fucking, it's insane. That's scandalous, bro. Remember Lori Lofrin? Yeah, she was part of it. Lori Lofrin from Full House. She did some time on it.

Bro, I have no sympathy for people like that. Yeah, a lot of people. Mossimo is a big name, big SC guy. He paid for his daughters to be on the rowing team. The Masimo brand, the, like the surfer skater. He sold us to Target. Yeah. Wow.

So he was in, he was actually in Lompoc when I was in Lompoc. I love whenever I see, and I'm kind of a hater, I'll admit it. Whenever I see these big scandals with super rich people that are just being corrupt trying to get their shitty kids into good schools, I'm like, suck a dick. Fuck you. I hope you get stabbed in the feds. People, I have no sympathy for that whatsoever, dude. They just use their money to try to get their way in. Yeah, let your kid be a spoiled fuck.

Who cares? But don't like. Let them earn it. Yeah, exactly. And if they don't earn it, then they're going to be fine either way. Yeah. Send them to junior college. Yeah.

Right? Like, let them work their way up. Yeah. And then the big, the big, and what year did you guys win? We won 2003 and 2004. You won back to back. National championships? So we beat Michigan in the Rose Bowl and then we beat Oklahoma and the Orange Bowl.

That's, we got to go see President Bush. Remember? Yes, you met President Bush. You got a picture with President Bush. Hey, everyone thought I was nuts. They're like, oh, God, what are you doing? I said, I don't give a fuck, man. I want a picture with President Bush.

This is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. Right. President Bush, the law and order president. Yeah. And little does he know what I turned out to become, right? Dude. I mean, well, he fucking covered up for 9-11. So he's kind of a criminal and he's a war criminal.

Yeah. But yeah, so that's... But what's interesting, though, is that you didn't really have any intention to be a career drug dealer, though, when you were in college. No, I got that degree, right? I got my degree. And what is every person that goes to USC? They network.

And I network with my national championship ring. And I got the best job working as a real estate. developing company, commercial builder, like the dream job, making six figures right out of college. More than my father's ever made an old in his lifetime for a salary, right? And my dad's like, that's my boy. Yeah. You know? Yeah.

I'm making like double what he made at the end of his career. And it was awesome. I loved it. I'd go to work and I just enjoyed it. But I don't think you loved it that much, though. No, I mean, I love the fact that I had a nine to five and I had stability and I had insurance and I had a 401k. But I did miss that camaraderie, right?

The camaraderie's gone. Rush is gone. The rush is gone. You're now just the guy that you just have your ring. I'm not the man anymore. You're not the man. Yeah. So maybe it was a blessing that the recession hit for me

because then I got that feeling back, that black market conceding came back. Yeah. So this is where you start. This is where you become a bookie. Bookie. This is fascinating. you could have just stayed with the bookie.

Did you make millions of being a bookie? I was making a million year. I should have just stuck with it. And that was back then, right? That was in 2007. Like, come on. I would have been Draft King's CEO right now. You had, for sure.

You had whales. Wales. Like, tell us about the money people blow gambling. This is, it's the biggest addiction. It's worse than drugs. Yeah. I had a construction owner of a construction company. You would never think.

but owners of construction companies have money. This guy was betting $20,000 a game on like the Dodgers, right? Yeah. And the reason I was working for the developer, and I was listening to him placed bets with his bookie, and I'm like, dude, whoever's on the other end of that is making money. And then when I, that's when it all started to kick in. When I lost my job for the developer, I was like, dude,

I want to be whoever was taking those bets. Right, right. And then that's when I reached out to my old man. I said, do we have any bookies that we know? And he introduced me to his Italian friend that was a bookmaker. Okay, so explain how you make, because I'm such a dodo. I'm such a non-gambling fucking idiot. How does that work?

How do you make money from your client? You got the people that want to bet. Yeah. So I bring the clients and I use the platform. Like back in the day before I became my own bookie, I used matro sports, which you read about in my book. And they are the house. So they back the bets and they pay you a percentage based off of what your customers

lose. So I have a sheet. I call it a sheet because it's an Excel sheet with, let's just say, 50 customers. Every one of those customers bets every week. And at the end of the week, whatever the net number is, I get a percentage off of. Right. Okay. So let's say they lose a quarter million that week. Then I get my 20% commission. There you go. But what I realized was, I'm doing all the work. Like, you just have a software that's running it. And of course, you do have the back. The bank roll too. The bank rule. Right. But in my mind is thinking like, I'm not I keep working all. You guys are taking 80%.

And then I asked them, I said, can you like, let's do 50-50? That's only fair. And they denied it. I said, oh, you sure? Because I'm going to figure this out. Yeah. Like I'm going down to Costa Rica in the mecca of sports betting. Right.

And I'm going to figure it out. Now, why Costa Rica is because it's supposed to be. It's legal. There you go. And they support all the banks. They let you set up bank accounts down there for bookmaking. Everybody down there speaks perfect English. So the call center, now people, back then, people used the phones.

Now it's just on an app. Right. People later that answer the phones, hey, this is Bet O'Dog. How can I help you today? And the customer would be like, hey, I want to bet the Dodgers for $1,000. And then the guy would be, okay, you're betting the Dodgers, 1,100 to win a thousand. What's your username and password, sir? And then they give them their password and the bet's live.

See, it's in the system. Wow. And do you have to know, this is going to be a really stupid question? Do you have to know a lot about sports to be a good bookie? No. You don't. Wow. You just need to be good at collecting money.

And I was really good at that. Well, but. Setting up a customer, really. Well, you had a ton of good clients. That's what you brought. That's how you got into the game is you had all these high rollers. But don't you have to know when that's not a good bet? If someone says, brings you a, hey, I want about $100,000,

you have to know if it's a good bet or not because you're going to be responsible to that if they win. So you got to know something about it. You do. In our business, we're giving them a line of credit. we're not like taking their money. Like now when you go to draft kings or Fandu, you have to put your credit card on file. They're taking the money out of your account

and you're playing with real money. As a bookie, we're giving you a line of credit like American Express. So hey, Johnny, I'm going to give you $100,000 a week. But the only way I'm going to do that is if I've ran your name, I've checked and see if you have a 9 to 5. Like I want to know your financials.

I want to pitch your driver's license. And if they're not going to give it to me, guess what? They're not playing with me. And that's why I was so good at it. because I had that retired FBI agent that worked for me. So he could run all those licenses. And he could tell me right away, like,

now this guy's a stiff. He owes $100,000 to his bank. And he also owns for his car and his phone bill, like to the tee what they owed. But the thing about collecting, and I've talked to a lot of mob guys that used to run sports books, if a guy, if you win,

if the guy loses, the guy placing a bet loses, you're not out money. You're just out what they should pay you, but you have no money that's actually gone out of your pocket. It's not like you ran off with two bricks. Only if he loses the first time, right? But if he wins and you pay him, now, guess what?

You're playing with my money. And if you stiff me then, then it's personal. That's like the cardinal rule in this game. Right. My boy Matt Boyer says it best. Like, you do that and it's the ultimate no-no in the bookmaking business. Because now you're stealing. Right.

Because you've already put your money. out you've showed good faith and when you fuck me the second time now you're stealing yeah and that's when we go hard like that's when we take it to the next level okay so at this time is what you're doing illegal it's a gray area because I'm technically offshore which you're supposed to be mm-hmm but you're supposed to have a wire or a check come from the offshore account into the person's account in the US and that makes it legal but because obviously this is a gray area I would pay my customers in cash and obviously eventually I started

having so many customers, I would have to pay them in wires in the U.S. But I had a really good system. I had a Shell corporation that was a ATM business. And the way we would do it is our customers would literally go and deposit cash all over the United States when they lose. And then my guy that owned the ATM business, he really had like 1,000 ATM machines. He would go to the bank and take out like 100,000 cash. And they wouldn't ask questions because it's an ATM business. So then I would pay them a fee of 3%.

and we would take that cash and I'd pay my customers. So that made it so I didn't have a paper trail. Obviously, when they indicted in my group, my enterprise, he was on the indictment. Right. And he did get in trouble. But, I mean, going into this, I tell these people, we're not dealing with apples and oranges.

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And if I ever do need a bigger backing, at least I can still have that in case. Right. I'd still make a percentage, but a small percentage. So I remember that's what we did. I said, hey, I'm going on my own then. If you guys don't want to give me a better percentage. And I went on my own.

And I started bed O'Dog. Bet O'Dog, dude. How many clients did you have on your roster? At the height, when those guys got indicted, I literally took probably half of their customers. I think at the height I had like a thousand customers that were betting with me personally with Bet O'Dog. And then I created a system where if you wanted to be a bookie,

you can have your own website, your own phone number, and you use my software. And I'm just going to charge you a fee. It's a franchise. Yeah. You franchised bookmaking. Yeah, I don't have to back your bet. So like if you wanted beth the connect.com, I create that website.

I give you a 1-800 number. And my office would answer the phone according to your website, take the bets and charge you for each customer every week. So I would charge $25 for each customer every week. So that's $100 a month. And if a guy has 2,000 customers, it adds up fast. It covers my nut. So you guys, and that just, this guy knows 100 people. You wouldn't believe how many people.

out there are bookies. Wow. And yeah, it's like selling Coke. Like you, this guy knows one person who uses and they know five people. And it's like, it's just a web that goes out and out and out. That's fascinating, dude. Did you, and you would, how many of those,

like say you had a thousand regulars, how many are whales? Dude, I had probably like five whales in my hand, in my daily, like weekly customers. But like the whales, what they do is they go to Vegas and they lose big, money. So then they'll take like three months off from gambling and then they'll come back eventually, right? So to be honest, the whales are the hardest customers to collect from. And I rather have the guys that are losing like $200 a week that are a construction worker or a guy that works at

Target because I know that money's always going to be there. Like $200 is not like a $200,000, right? So when a whale loses, it's like you're pulling teeth. Sometimes you need to use like any method like, hey, I can't pay you in cash. Can you come to Vegas and pay I'll pay you in chips and like I'll take any of payment. I'll take a... I tell people I'll take an AP watch. I'll take a car. I'll take a, I took a sailboat one for time for a payment. Wow. Is that the one you used to smuggle code? Yeah, from TJ. Insonata, yeah. Wow. So what was some other shit you took? Dude, I took a badass Lincoln Continental, 1996. Suicide doors on bags. That was one of my favorites. Dude. It had the license plate I made it. It says Mr. Hefe with H. Did you keep it?

or sell it. Yeah, no, actually, I gave that to my friend before I got arrested. Okay. And I knew I was getting busted and I just felt it. I'm like, dude, this is for you. It's a gift. Yeah. Yeah, you'd rather have a thousand people bitten 200 a week than, yeah, a couple guys. Because once one guy, well, and a half a million. And if they stiff you and they don't pay you, you're like, oh, shit. Like, that hurt. Right. Or now I have to maybe send a guy and it gets, and it gets violent. It gets, brings heat down on you. So who is, tell us about Kobe? I mean, he's one of the best guys in the documentary, but... Best collector in the business.

For me, like, because he doesn't hurt people. He just shows up. And that's our rule, like, hey, don't touch him, because they're going to call the cops. 100%. I said, you're too gnarly. 6'6,amoan, maybe 300 pounds. One of the gnarliest cats.

From the Buiyaw tribe, which is a blood gang. It's a Pairood blood. Yeah. Out of Carson. And, dude, I just tell him, just ride with me. I said, we're going to sit down in Newport Beach at this breakfast spot. Don't say a word and just look at the guy dead straight in that.

eyes the whole time, right? And he's just looking at him. And the guy's like, okay, let's go to the bank. Dude, it's so funny to watch. Yeah. Because you're just seeing the guy like shake, like a leaf and you're like watching him and you're like, I told you I didn't want to go this far. Like, don't make me bring this guy here.

This is embarrassing. Right. And they're like, they don't know what to say. Right. They call their mom. Mom, can you please transfer money into my account? Wow. How much did you have to collect using Buya?

Buya like that. Dude, we, we collect hundreds and thousands. hundreds of thousands of dollars. And the problem with boo-ya's, they're expensive. They take half. But it's worth it. You're making your name now. Yeah.

Now people know, don't fuck with Odog because he... So was that his main way to make a living? Was just a collector? Dude, he's been in movies. He's been in Walberg's movies. He's been in security for a lot of rappers. And he's a big... His family's very well-known.

They do a lot of security in Vegas. Did he manage to dodge any kind of cases? I'm glad he didn't get. indicted, but at the end of the day, what is he doing? He's not saying anything. Right. If you don't say anything, technically, you can't, you know, prove it. Yeah, prove it. What is, what did he do illegally? Right. Nothing. Because that's super fed time. If you, you rough a guy up. Well, one guy got the animal, I know he was in the dock. He got two years because this idiot went to a house in Minnesota. I said, do not touch him. Don't do anything. Just tell him I'm here, right? Like just

your presence should scare him. And I guess the client, like, started recording him and, like, try to hit him. And so they got in a scuffle. And that scuffle was part of my evidence on the discovery. So we got charged with violence. Right. And this guy ended up doing the time because he did it. Right.

But I never practiced, like I said, do not touch people. Because I know that's going to get you the time. For sure. And the cops called on you. Because that guy ended up calling the cops. Right. Now, you would take high rollers to Vegas. you had like a service.

No, what I did? Yeah, so I try to keep him out of Vegas. I would bring Vegas to them. So my idea was this. If you lived in, like one of my high rollers lived in Redondo Beach, he loved girls. He loved Coke.

He loved late nights parting with these girls in Coke. He loved blackjack. So I was like, okay, I got a live dealer on my website that's going to be dealing live to you. So you can play my live dealer with money on your credit line. And it's a real dealer.

It's not like, You're not playing a computer. She's in Costa Rica and she's dealing live. So now he's not going to Vegas. And then I bring the girls over. You know, I'm dating all these girls. I'm just like, hey, you want to make some money today? Just go massage them, give them whiskey.

Give him a line of Coke. If you want to do it, do it with them. Like maybe he'll offer you more. I don't care. I'm not a pimp. So I would literally have these girls go to his house and fucking rack Coke with them all night. And they'd get out of there and they're like, dude, I made like 10 grand today.

I'm like, good because he lost 100,000 on the fucking payable. Keep them happy. Keep him happy. Right. And he just got over a divorce. And so it was perfect. And he would tell me like the next week, man, that was the best time I've ever had. Like, you know, I knew right where I needed them.

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At participating locations, terms and conditions apply. What was the height of that before you met Hefe? What year was that? That was in 2010. Okay. And then I went to work in 2010 at the end. And you had seven figures from just... Yeah, just from thinking.

And that was a good business. And then when Helfi became my whale client, it became even better because it was cash. And it was like when I was getting duffel bags of cash, I tell people like, I paid all my agents, like the big agents that brought in whales, if they are guaranteeing the money, which they have to, 50%. So that agent, like, he brought a bag of 250, he was getting 125,000 because like, we're partners at this point. Like, why should I take more when you're doing the work? You're bringing the guy. Yeah. And you got to collect it.

So it was Hefe's nephew or something? Yeah, he says it's my uncle. But you know how that is. Every Mexican has an uncle. Of course. Yeah. It's my T.O. So how did you know this guy?

He was one of my customers. Okay. So he was my customer that used to gamble with me. And then this happens all the time with customers. They're like, hey, I got a bunch of players. Do you think I could make a percentage? Absolutely. This is like the fame, the most famous player customer was a NFL three-time

champ running back, Derek Lavel and he got indicted. He was three Super Bowls. I was just going to ask you, did you have... He played for the ducks. Wow. Dude, Derek Lavel is a legend in Oregon, dude. Wow. I just, I'm not that.

When I left in 2008, I didn't keep up. Yeah, no, he won two Super Bowls with the Broncos and one with the 49ers. And he was... He got indicted. Wow. But he was a gambling customer mine. And literally, he had so many, like, concussions from football, he would start buying noxies.

And I'd send him the oxies. And then eventually, He's like, dude, I got customers all over Arizona that want oxycopin. So I'm like, okay, I'll send you a thousand of them. And he started becoming my dealer. And it worked good because he had a gambling debt. And you just paid off by giving me the money on the percentage he was making on the pills. I had no idea.

He sold oxies. Dude, anything and everything. Jesus Christ. If you had widgets, I'd sell anything. Oh, dude, I wish I was the judge. I would have given you 30 dogs. You were a fucking menace. Dude, I was.

I'm so glad it's over. Okay, so you, this, you beat, you're dealing with this Mexican guy. Is he Mexican American? Is he living in the U.S.? No. He's in Mexico. No, the customer, my customer, his agent was in the U.S., and Newport Beach, actually.

That's what I mean, this guy you were dealing with. And he would go over to Mexico and deal with his uncle. Right. And then he says, my uncle wants to make a play. Well, he didn't even tell me in the beginning. Right. Yeah, he just says my customer. I didn't care.

I don't do background checks on their customers. It's not my job. Right, right. Because he's your client. Yeah, that's his client. That would be like stealing your client. And so did you, but you realize right away, this dude is rich. Dude, when the first couple bags of cash, I'm like, dude, keep this guy happy, whatever he wants.

I said, let's give him 10% off his losses. Yeah. Let's give him 10% free play. And that's like, that's where you get him. Because wasn't he blowing like a quarter million a week? A week. And paying on a Monday, which is unheard of it. That's when I knew it was drug money.

Like I'm like, dude, no one can pay in cash. He must be in the weed business because that's when weed was big. Mm-hmm. and it wasn't weed. Well, he was into the weed business. They were into a lot of, they were into weed, coke, and heroin. Arizona weed, right?

Yeah, and the documentary, that part was so stupid. You were like, I don't know, what could it be out of Mexico? A guy who's paying a quarter million cash, there's the real answer, you know. You know, yeah. Okay, so he, what was this guy betting on?

You wouldn't believe it, dude. Soccer and football. Soccer makes sense. It makes sense. But dude, you'd be surprised. They love the Raiders over there. It's true. No, they bet on the Raiders.

They fuck with NFL now. Well, now they have games over in Mexico City. Right, right. So this guy's a Raiders fan, of course. Yes, right? Raiders fan. Yeah. And that's how he finally hit me.

He had a five-team parlay, which means you need all five teams to win. And the last game was the Raiders. And it was on a Sunday night. And I remember calling his nephew, which is my bookie. I'm like, hey, your client is about to hit, dude. Get over here right now. I'm going to give you cats. How much?

I think it was 200, either 220 or 260. I can't remember. I think it was 220. And I said, I got the cash ready. Perfectly put it in. And the duffel bag made it nice, right? And I said, come Monday morning. I don't know how you have to get it to your customer, but that's on you.

Pay him as soon as he wakes up. And you were excited that he won because you explained, this is super interesting. You don't want to win all the time as a bookie. You want the client to get some love. Dude, I celebrate when my clients win. Even if I'm with him, I'm like, fuck yeah, bro, you're, you're going to hit. Like, I want him to feel like they can't lose forever. And how much had he lost?

Dude, he already lost to like, literally like $750,000, right? He was like week four and he's finally going to hit. I'm like, yes, this is what I need. Right, okay. For a bookie, this is like your dream. Right. When they lose, they pay and you know they pay. That's a good customer.

And then when they win, you're like, you want to give some back. Right. So when did he finally make contact with you? Was it right after that? Dude, right after I paid on a Monday, my customer, my customer, my sub-bookie, my agent paid him. Literally, like two days later, he brought me that encrypted phone. And it was a phantom.

Yeah. He's like, this is from my uncle. I'm like, your uncle. And then that's when I was like, okay. Now, why did you paying him promptly? Why do you think that made... The difference? Yvonne Archivaldo.

You don't say a name if you don't know it. Why do you think that made this drug lord in Mexico go, Oh. I'm going to send him an encrypted phone and put him to work doing other things. Like, why do you think that? I think business, right? Like, if you pay someone and it's a large amount, it's almost like a test. Like, let's see if this guy, how does he run his business?

Honesty. Honesty. He runs it. Integrity, right? And listen, I've been like that my whole life since my dad told me. If you owe someone money, you pay them. So, like, for me, I've never not paid any customer that one. And my big thing, that's why everyone started to bet with me.

I paid on a Monday. Most bookies wait until Thursday because they collect all their losers' money. Then they go pay their winner. But I had a different concept. My concept was pay the winners right away. Then collect the money. Because that gets people to be like, wow, this is a stand-up guy. Right.

And I think that's what happened with El Hefe. He's like, who is this guy? He sensed it. He was probably also looking for somebody like you. Yeah. I mean, think about the honesty you have to have in order. Like, I picked up a million dollars for him. Like, doesn't even, never met me, right?

Like, he's just trusting me off of my judgment in business. But you know his nephew who went down there to see him was like he's a white guy. He's well-dressed. He's well-groomed. He knows a ton of people. He's mobile. He's all over the place. He went to USC.

And boom, the light bulb just went off. Because they want guys like us, like you. Well, you know, he paid for my tattoos to be removed. Like people like that. It was in the story. Dude, it was insane. So a. I remember, I was obviously playing football at USC and we just would get tattooed after games.

Like we'd had these tattoo parties. Me and Lendell White and all the guys, we'd get like literally tattoos, like, thought we're going to be NFL players. You know, like, what are I doing? Yeah, you were blown out. Black and white, straight thug, blasted. Like Mexican, like gang member tattoos. Yeah.

And he found out, he saw a picture of me, I guess. And he's like, hey, what a, I'm paying for those all to be removed. Wow. He says, if I'm making you a million dollars a day, guess what? Those are coming off. And literally from 2010, all the way to 13, it took that long to get these things removed. I mean, look at nothing. Yeah.

Dude, they were all the way down to here. He did you a favor. Dude, he didn't be a great favor. I mean, until I went to prison. Right? They could have used them in there. Yeah. Wow.

Yeah. But, I mean, he put me in a suit. He literally had, like, he wanted me looking like a businessman. I would go in Sydney literally in a business suit. I'd walk around with a carry-on luggage because everyone in Sydney is moving with luggagees, rolling rolling luggage. And I'd have, you know, a couple million at the time in those luggagees. Well, when you look at Mayo's kids who were his emissaries, right, going to Malaysia,

like you think Mayo Zimbada is going to Malaysia? No, he's sending his kids that are dressed like lawyers. Some of them are lawyers. Yeah. They have law degrees. And they present themselves like Fortune 500. Yeah. His plebis.

Plebis. Yeah. That's how they're kids. Kids, yeah. He's sending them. Those are his soldiers. Yeah. And they're businessmen, right? Of course. Just like I'm a businessman. But this happened immediately. Like, it was so quick, you just paid a guy what you owed him.

And then the phantom phone showed him. The phantom. I'll never forget the phantom. And that phantom actually ended up costing me. Because that phantom, I'll tell you what, the FBI, when they infiltrated me, they had phantoms. Anybody that worked on phantoms was in organized crime. Like my boss used them. my boss's boss used them, right? Like, so when someone pulls out an encrypted phone and you see it, you're thinking,

okay, they're in the game because you're not supposed to have these phones any other way unless you get referred. Like, you can't get a phantom encrypted phone unless I refer you. So what got me is these FBI agents when they started laundering my money, they had the encrypted phone. So I was like, okay, we're good. These guys are, they're using the network. And that's how they got into our network.

How do you think they got the phantoms? They probably just went to the- They busted somebody. and then they're watching the, I know, because I saw the discovery. So they were watching Phantom the same time they were watching my case. So I would see like discovery

of them purchasing phones at the same time my people would be purchasing phones. There was a guy like at a UPS store that worked at UPS.S. And he was one of the dealers for Phantom and you pay like a thousand bucks for the phone. Because it's not illegal. Phantom, it's not illegal.

It wasn't. It wasn't at the time. They did get busted though. And then so they were watching me in what I think. think they did is this is what I heard. They took down a group out of San Francisco like a weed group and then that that group basically cooperated where they said hey we're referring this guy can you get him a phone and it was the FBI agent. So now the FBI has a phone inside the phantom network.

Right. So that's the only way. And now this FBI agent unbeknownst to me is using a phantom. I'm like, oh, he's already in the network. I don't have to worry. So what I did is I asked my agent. My agent, I said, Are you sure these guys are good? And I asked them. I said, I want you guys to tell me who referred this guy in. And he said, let me find out. I actually had the guy's phones turned off. I said, I want them off before I do this transaction.

It was a five kilo transaction. It's in my indictment. And I had the phone shut down. I said, shut them down right now. I said, I'm not doing this transaction until you tell me these guys are good. And Phantom said, hey, we got these guys from some weed guys out of San Francisco. And I said, okay, then they're good. run it. So I had their phone turned back on and we completed the five kilo deal. And that five

kilo deal is what was on my indictment. That's how they arrested us on that day. And that's what Phantom was doing illegally was communicating with drug dealers. Correct. Collaborating with them. Because there's a lot of... And wiping the phone. Wiping the phone. That's the key to Phantom. So when they got me, they grabbed my phone right away. And your Phantom's supposed to wipe it on, like El Hefei is supposed to say, hey, wipe this phone. El Hefe didn't know I was busted yet. They try to wipe the phone, but they already got into the phone. Oh, I thought it just, there was technology just to make it wipe just automatically. No.

Oh, yeah. They probably do have that now. I'm sure now. I'm sure. I don't, I don't know what they use now. I don't care, but I'm sure there's something. They have cracked into, there was a big bust about a year or so ago in Europe amongst these, like, giant, giant traffickers.

And somehow they got into them. But it's, there's got to be technology now to where it's like, if anybody besides you, tries to open it, it just wipes. Yeah, I would think. I'm sure. Right. But anyways, so you've got these phantom phones. There's no camera in them.

No camera, no microphone, no GPS. It's just a brick. And you're just texting. Texts. That's all it is. It's literally a server in Hong Kong or Panama. And it's just an email between you guys. And did they have good service?

Awesome. I would take, I'd use in Australia. I'd use in Peru. I'd use in Colombia. I use it everywhere. The only time you did have a problem, like when I went to Australia, I had to use one of their chips over there, obviously. So I had to swap out the SIM card.

Right. What were you doing in Columbia? I was dating a girl in Columbia. And she lived in Costa Rica, but I would go visit her family. And her uncle actually used to work for Pablo Escobar. So I was trying to like get in there. Right. But you never actually moved product.

I never got to move it. But that was like my idea started to circumvent. And I ended up, she ended up. She was a DJ. It's a sad story. She was a DJ in Costa Rica. And in Costa Rica, prostitution is very big, right? All the Colombian girls, they go to Costa Rica and they become prostitutes.

And I turned this girl into a DJ. I bought her like a DJ set. And I said, I don't want you being a prostitute because she was going to be one. And this is such a sad story. Her mother found out she wasn't prostituting, making money for the family. Her mother cut her fingers off when she was sleeping and said, now you can't be a DJ. Now you've got to go work. And the girl ended up killing herself like a week later, dude.

Oh, my God. And I was devastated, man. I was like, oh, my gosh. Like, I try to take this girl away from that life. So sad. Can't save them. It's very sad. It's very sad.

Yeah, there's that element that people don't see in Colombia. Because everyone's like, Medellin, Cartagena. You know, there's like Fortune 500 companies coming here. But, dude, there is a gigantic underclass that exists still, a brutality that, check out episodes that are coming out on The Connect. we document what's going on. Yeah. It's, yeah, it's easier to move Coke out of Peru.

That was a good, that was a good strategy. Now, did, did, do you know if Hefe had connects? Like, did he mostly work with the Peruvians or? No, he had connects everywhere. It's just wherever he could buy from what, you know, what do they call him kitchens, right? He had kitchens in Bolivia, Ecuador and Colombia, of course. Of course.

Wow. I've been personally doing Coke. I've used a lot of coke. I love the Peruvian flake. It's almost like a pink fish scale. Yeah. Do you know if he used submarines? I don't know.

My logistics, my questions, it would never be asked. Like, how you're getting over? I see. The only reason I knew about that chocolate one just because at the time there was a lot of cacao in the area. And I saw where they were packaging it. So you start out, you know, we've talked about this already. So I don't want to, I want people to go watch the documentary. basically you start out just picking up and dropping off money.

10%. And you would take 10%. Yeah. You would pay you 10%. So you picked up a million bucks in Laredo. Yeah. You know, you're flying private. Brownsville.

Yeah, with tank. Yes, your boy, Tank. Yeah. Who becomes your lieutenant when you start moving up. You would go, I mean, this guy had stash houses. Everywhere. I would literally drop off. Like, he'd call me sometimes North Carolina,

I'd have to drop off 100 grand for some stash house over there. there to pay the workers. San Diego, obviously, of course. Yeah. A lot of stuff in California, obviously. Yeah, it's really, they really had their hooks into the United States back then. They might still, but back then they really had workers up here. Yep.

That's crazy. All their job was just sit, live there, pretend like they're just a regular civilian. Right. Right. And then the money either made it back to Mexico or it got laundered and stayed here. Yep. They had their routes. They had their ways.

A lot of banking internally. For sure. You know, like if you're making a purchase and you're making that money that drops, everything nowadays is through like textile companies or fruit companies. Like you'd be surprised, right? It's like legitimate businesses. Of course. And you just buy all those goods with cash and then resell them.

It comes out the other end. We were talking off camera. You had a problem. The biggest problem when you started getting cocaine, to Australia was your, how do you move $5 million? How do you first of all convert it from Australian dollars to American dollars? And I'm like, as I'm watching it, I'm like, crypto solves all of this. Bitcoin solves all of this. It wasn't around. You missed it by by one year probably. Literally. Like I was so scared because it was like 25 cents a coin when I

literally got Bitcoin or? Yeah, when I first started hearing about it. Like it was around in 2011, I want to say. Yeah, it was. Like, but it was cheap. Like, no one trusted it. No. No. There's no way. I remember people wanted to bet with it. I'm like, hell no, I don't want that crap.

Could you imagine? You would be a billionaire. Everyone thought, like, when I got out of prison, they're like, he had to have had crypto state. And I was like, I wish. Like, dude, I wouldn't be stressing making ice cream right now. Dude. Yeah, and it wasn't so easy either.

You couldn't just like, there was no Coinbase app where you could just whip out your phone and be like, oh, I just bought it on the dark web, right? You got to buy it. Not the dark web, but you had to bring. there was like external hardware that you had to plug into your computer to buy it. So, you know. It wasn't easy. No.

And I get why most people didn't buy it because they were like, this is sketchy. It's going to go away or the government's involved. You know, people didn't know that it was like a decentralized crypto exchange. But now there's this guy, Ryan Wedding, who's the U version. Yeah. He's a monster. He's still on the run, right? He's still on the run, dude.

He's now like. He's changed his face already. Yeah, bro. That guy is living like a Nautical, like a Mexican Nautical. He's living over there for sure. Definitely. He's being protected by him. But they say like all, because he moves all of his blow to Canada because he's Canadian. And all of the money is crypto. So much easier. That's how they're moving it around. I guarantee they're all doing it now. Yeah, for sure, for sure. You know what's funny is my accountant that worked for me that got indicted. He ended up buying crypto when we were in Australia. He came over and he made a bunch of fake IDs for us, U.S. passport cards. And he had to buy like the software off of the dark web. And he had to buy crypto. He says he bought it for a dollar coin, the Bitcoin at that time. And he's like, dude, I wish I would have just saved some.

He's like, I had just bought it for the software. You see these, like, we had literally U.S. passport cards in Australia with different names. And that's how we would exchange our money. So you were using your name was something ridiculous. Junior DeLuca. Yeah. My God, that's hilarious. But those were legit IDs.

Legit passport cards. And the U.S. passport card wasn't really known yet. It had just came out. So when I go to the window at the exchange spot, they have no clue what they're looking at. Right. And you were at first buying a ton of gold. A lot of gold. And I was sending the gold back in Uggboots.

I was putting the coins in the Ugg boots and sending them back. And the reason I did that is because Australia was known for the Ugs back then. Yeah. And that's what drug traffickers look at when they're trying to figure out how to move product out of a country. Like, what's Peru known for? What are they export? Cacao beans. We're going to hide it in cacao.

What is Australia known for? Well, they're known for kangaroos. They're known for ugboots, you know, like crocodile down under. I mean, like you've got to think what would people buy? And then you're shipping Napa wine with liquid cocaine. I'm like, okay, what is California known for where I can have my driver not have to drive too far and lease ship from that area? And I was like Napa.

Napa is famous for wine worldwide, right? So I would literally fill up the wine bottles with that liquid cocaine. And my driver, he hated it because it was like a six-hour drive. you'd have to drive to Napa and ship from the same city that wine came from. Right. But it's genius. I don't think you ever got a package. Never.

Ever. How many bricks do you think you got? You send 10 at a time, right? Yeah, 10 at a time. Probably in my lifetime, probably, in my lifetime, probably. I mean, to Australia. Two Australia. With that route.

I would say, gosh, I would say probably with that route, probably like 10 with that route because they started taxing us on the wine. Right. But my driver hated it. but I gave him $1,000 a kilo, and I didn't tell him what was in it. He knew, like he tells you in the dock. He's like, I knew something was in there, but I didn't ask questions. I thought it was just wine.

But 100 birds at 100 grand of pop, you shipped. But like I said, you know, $10 million. Yeah, the problem is the ones we cut it. Yeah. These guys are taking half. It's a nightmare. Like, yeah. It sounds great.

You're making a million dollars a day. Yes, I am collecting a million dollars a day. But at the end of the day, by the time we cut it up, it's broken down. And that's why people are figuring out. ways to get it over there, you know, by the ton. Oh, yeah. Sailboats. Yeah, luxury boats. You have to. Like nice yachts. Something that would make it there. Yeah. No one's sailing the shit. Right. But, you know, look, that's, I just, it drives me nuts when I, people are like, yeah, we're going to, we've made a big dent in the war on drugs. You're like, this guy put it in

legal mail. You put it in D.HL, dude. Exactly. You would have a guy knocking your door and sit And it's a DHL guy and he goes, here you go. Those guys are getting paid off. Do you think, though? Oh, yeah, for sure. Maybe. Not those actual physical drivers that's dropping it. He doesn't know.

I think the people that are clearing it from DHL are. I think they're in it because I remember. On the Australia side? Yeah, for sure. Because you were working with a big time, big time gangster down there. Kingpin. Craig has. Wow.

Did he go down? I don't know. I know he got arrested, but I never saw any, like, I've been looking up his name. I don't see if he did prison time. I don't know. So you meet Hefe. A bunch of money gets lost as you try to launder it. You meet Hefe.

Finally. Yeah, you had a meeting with him down in Ensenada. Puerto Nuevo. Right before. And then basically you're like, I'm going to pay my debt off to you and then I'm going to get out of the game. Yeah. Hey, Johnny, you can't stop the game. No, hell, no.

You can't stop buying those boobs and feeding those mouths. Yeah. How long did it take you to pay? Would you home two and a half? Dude, he took, no, we called it. So that two and a half was lost by the gambler. And then the same day, my security guard lost $700,000, got picked off. So I lost $3.2 million in one day.

And then when I went to Mexico, the agreement we had was $4 million with interest. And you now work for the cartel. But he gave me two years off because he knew we were hot. He was smart. He's like, I already seen the media. This guy's going to cause you problems. He's already talking. There's articles already coming out about.

about the money getting lost. Like, where did it come from? Right. Oh, fuck. Also, you got to, you got to put yourself at his shoes. Yeah, you owe him 3.2, but what was his principle?

Not very much money. We did the math. We just did the math. Exactly. He's out of $300,000 bucks. It's not a huge, I get that they don't think that way. They're like, you owe me,

but it's not like it bankrupted him. He's not actually out. I'm just one little piece of his, of his network. He could have had 20, like you for different routes all over the world different countries for sure definitely definitely so how long did it take you to pay back the four dude it went fast the hardest part was getting the money back because we now had to use these

groups and it would take like three to four weeks at a time to get the money back we had these couriers and they they would give it to people Middle Eastern people and then in Dubai we'd get the wire from the Dubai they would wire the money into Mexico would explain that how would you get the money this is Australian so Australia we had our people in Australia our Kingpin over there would take the money, and he had a courier that he would give it to in Australia. I think they're Pakistanians or whatever they are, whatever race they are. But they had a system where they would take 25%, but they would have the money in Dubai.

So they would call their contacts in Dubai, and the people in Dubai would wire anywhere we need. So the money just stayed in Australia. That's called the Iranian. That's an old-school way, Iranian banking system. So you keep the money, you owe me a million bucks, you keep it in this country, and my guy over in Dubai has a million bucks, and we're just going to wire it. And then however they...

Eventually does Dubai then say, hey, I need some money over here. Like, they must be, right? Exactly. When do they get to see it? Right. When does the money actually physically move over there? I mean, you know, that's just long term, slowly buying goods.

You know, that's the whole process. Money laundering is its own business. That's a famous way, though. And a lot of people do that. Yeah, exactly. much interest. Think about it. Well, dude, when I was going to buy a property in Columbia, when I was in the game, the same shit. I was going to take 400 grand to this Colombian in New Jersey. Yeah. And he was just going to wire. Sorry, he already had the money in Columbia. So once I

dropped it off to him, he was going to wire the money to the real estate age of the bank and buy the property. So that's the Iranian banking system. Okay, so that makes sense. So you. So it was taking so long, like, fuck. And then the problem with me is since I owed the money, I was like, he's not, allowing me to just go on a credit line anymore. So I'm waiting until it hits his account. Right. And then we do it again. So it took, I mean, I think it took like, let's see, we started working in like the end of 13. It took about like a year, about a year. And then the question was asked like, what do you want to do? You paid me back. Now during that time where you, how were you covering your own bills? Bookmaking. Okay. You're still bookmaking. Yeah. He told me,

hey, run your bookmaking business. Like he goes, that's your bread and butter. People know you for that you're not going to get in trouble for that. Was that that still doing well? He was doing fine. And the good thing about that is anytime, like, if I had a big bet now that I used to lay off, those guys got busted. So now I have nobody to lay off my bet. So I'd go to him.

Oh, right. And he became my backer. Would he still bet with you? He would bet like just for fun. Like not like gut drop one off duffel bags. He's like, let's keep it friendly. Yeah. You know, like we're about buddies.

Like he's, I'm literally flying to Mexico and doing the boob jobs for the girls and the asses and bring in Versacee for him. You know, like, how did you meet your senelowen wife? Dude, that was in Las Vegas. Okay. She was actually in Vegas, and she was with the black eyed peas. And I was in a cabana with Reggie Bush and Jeremy Shockey, my old teammates, NFL guys. And she was with the black eyed peas next to us.

And I was like, dude, who is that hot Latina? She spoke no English. Yeah. And I started to speak into her. And she told me she's from Mazzalon. I'm like, oh, you're Sinola. You know, what a small world. Yeah, that's crazy.

Crazy. The family, in Sinolo, the families are all connected in Sinola. somewhere. You know what I mean? It's crazy. Like if I would tell you your uncles, it'd blow you away. It's crazy. Yeah, yeah.

I met a stripper and where, Puerto Vallarta. Yeah. Bachelor party. Okay. Relax. And, you know, I don't trick on hose anymore. So I'm just talking to her. And she's like, I'm from Sina Loa.

I have two boyfriends were murdered in the last three months. Just like, you don't want to get involved with those chicks, dude. You're like, holy shit. You're so trauma. I mean, like, it is a culture that we, you know, that is really glamourized. in narco-corridos in the United States. But I'm telling you, that's a real toxic. Toxic culture.

Those people have intense trauma. Forever. I got trauma. They're drug-addicted. It's just that they think violence is normal. Yeah. Everything, I think that culture is adapted to that life. Like girls, there's some girls that won't date anybody but narcos.

Yeah, we'll see how that, well, those bitches are just, I mean, they're probably just hoping that they get a payout when their boyfriend gets killed. Yeah. Or when you go to prison, guess what? I can tell you that 20 of those girls that I bought boobs and tits and asses for, they never stuck around. They're not writing me letters. No.

They're not taking by phone calls. Nice people, though. Friendly people, I will say. That's what almost makes it even creepier. You know, like we hung out with Mayo's, some of Mayo's security guys down there, the early days of the Connect. They wouldn't let us film. Yeah, of course.

But we were like, that's cool. Like, we're out in this village way the fuck out outside of Kulia Khan. And they were super nice. Very nice. Very nice. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

And like just generous. Yeah. And like the understanding, like I was like my producer is vegan. They had like a bunch of like carn and assata. And I was like, no, this, I was like trying to make fun of my producer. I'm like this fucking queer doesn't eat meat. Yeah. So he gave him avocado.

You know. But they were like, oh, that's probably healthy. Like really like nice people. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And now those guys are probably all dead. Oh, for sure they are. It's just, yeah, it's, it's wild. They're going to war right now, right? My own and chopped.

Super warm. You see what's happening. Mancho's got all of Chappos. So here's, here's a little update for people that are interested in that war. So, according to Ed Calderon, the Mensho and the CJNG, they have an alliance with the Chepisa, but there, the Chepisa is weakened. And in a year, they're gone. In a year, the Haleisco cartel is going to take over, Sinaloa.

Yeah, you already see the routes are getting taken over. Exactly. Exactly. He's the strongest drug king, but probably in the history of the world. Yeah. But he saw that coming, too. Yeah, for sure. The guy's a genius.

Yeah, he's very intelligent. Evil genius. But anyways, you chose to marry this woman. Smart. Good move. Just another one of your good decisions. I made a lot of bad decisions, but this was a good woman. Listen, she stuck with me literally for a lot of years in prison.

And then eventually when the judge sentenced me to 21 years, and like I was like five years in. I was like, just do yourself a favor. Go. Like, I'm not going to put you through this. I'm going to be 53 when I get out. Right. Don't do this to yourself.

Okay, so you pay off the money pretty quickly. And are you, well, yeah. And Hefe goes, do you want to work? Now, when he said that, I'm not going to lie, Johnny. I felt like I owed the guys, right? Like I was like, man, do I quit and then let this guy down? Like, this guy has saved my life. He didn't kill me.

in the back of my mind, I was like, I got to keep working for this guy. But then there was also that piece of me that said, well, fuck yeah, I want to keep working. I'm not going to go work a nine to five. But your sports betting was still making money. Yeah, but I like now that I liked having that kind of money because now I can take bigger bets in my sports business.

So it's like now I'm really a casino because if a guy wants about a quarter million dollars on the Super Bowl, which happened numerous times, I can take that bet. You got it. And like, this is me now. and for a bookie, there's nothing more, there's nothing more than you're more proud of than to be able to take any kind of bet.

Right. Especially if you as a customer says you're going to post up the money, then it's like, I don't have any risk. Right. Because you're posting up the money. I don't have to go chase it. So I had guys that would come during Super Bowl. We'd sit down and watch the game,

and they'd post up $250,000 plus a 10% Vig, so I'd charge them $25,000. So they would bring $275,000 in cash, and I would have my 250 if they won and if they lost I took it and it was super the house the house always wins look at Vegas

wow so you would you would win 275 at the Super Bowl on Super Bowl Sunday just like that just one player yeah just one customer but for me why didn't you tell Hefe

hey let me I don't want to touch drugs anymore let me just start cleaning your money through this let me be your US money laundering I was doing a lot of money for them don't get me wrong Like, I enjoyed that. Like, I, my thing in life was like, I like to put pieces together and make it work.

Like, you saw how creative I got with logistics. And, like, dude, I enjoyed, like, setting up shell corporations, ATM businesses, diamond exchange, bullion companies. And I would literally, like, I started a bullion company called the gold fellas. And I would purchase boxes, security to boxes in a gold place. Like, here's a gold store. And then in that gold store, there's security to boxes. So if you buy gold from here, you can store your gold in their boxes. It was genius.

It was called U.S. private vaults. Wow. So what I started was awesome. I said, hey, can I use your address as my address for the goldfellas? He says, yeah. I said, I'm going to buy 20 boxes, and I'm going to have people purchase gold, and I'm going to store it from them. And then that was my way to launder money. It's like a one-stop shop.

Yeah. So I started this company. I'm like, dude, I can literally, now I can wire money from the Goldfellas account. Wow. And you had a shitload of gold. A lot of gold. the government took all those boxes. They went in there and drilled.

How many kilos of gold is that? Dude, I had a lot of silver at the time because I don't know if you remember but they said silver was supposed to skyrocket. And I was buying silver for like $8 an ounce. And I probably had, dude, I had the 100 ounce bars. I must have had like a thousand of those 100 ounce bars. And then I had a lot of gold coins from Australia.

I mean, they took everything. I remember one day right before I got arrested, I drove to my best friends in college's house and his brother was my accountant, and he got indicted. But right before the day I got busted, I said, I feel something's wrong. I feel like they're coming.

It was the day before I met the agent. And I literally dropped off a duffel bag of gold. I'm like, dude, give this to your brother. He was my accountant and tell him to put this away. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you know what the government does? They went to the accountant and said, we know that you got something from Owen.

You give it to us right now, and we're going to give you less time. So there you go. Here's the gold. So a million dollars in gold. probably. So now you're done with the route. You basically put Australia to the side

and you just focus on moving drugs throughout the U.S. and to Canada. Philly, New York. Tank had a route. Tanks became my... He handled New Jersey, New York, and Philly. That was a good route. He was like moving 100 birds a week.

Did you have... And I forgot, were those your... Or tanks clients? Those were tanks clients. Okay. I set him up. So we would just go in with El Hafe. We'd say, hey, Fronis to work and we'll split the profits.

We'll split the shares. So you were moving work to El Hefe's clients and to your own clients. So I'd have routes going into Canada. And then since it's the same route, I would stop it in New Jersey. We had a stash house. Tank will tell you when he comes to see you, badass stash house where he'd fit like, you know, 500 birds. He would just store there in a bathtub that had this hydraulic system. That's right.

Yeah. He told me that. Five hundred kilos. Yeah, I think he fit between 100 and 500 every time. And you guys were moving like heroin. Dude, he was moving that China White. See, I didn't like to touch that stuff because my sister was a heroin addict. So I was like, dude, I'm cool with that.

Like, that's a, that's a cardinal rule. Like, I'm not going to. Was that Mexican heroin? Yeah. But back then, they were getting China White from Guadalajara. It was good stuff. I didn't know that. Nobody knows that.

Dude, China White. It was the shit. Yeah. I didn't know Mexicans had China White. Tell us, what was the economy on that? What does a key, what does a tank get a kilo for? We were getting a kilo of China White landed in New York for 30 grand. I think he was selling for 60 grand.

He was doubling up. Crazy. So Tank was making. Dude, we would split it because I was covering it. Right. So like 10 would go to him, 10 would go to me, and 10 would go to El Hefe. Right. But obviously El Hefe is making his money.

He's making all the money on the backing as well. Right. He's not, you know, he's not landing it for 30. He's probably in at 15. That's crazy. And then Tank had a very good network with, A lot of people like the Coke we had because it was high heat, a lot of rock, people rock it up in Philly and New York. And he was so, like, keys were going for like 50,000 at the time.

And are these tanks, tanks customers, are these black groups? Yeah, blacks. Wow. Yeah, he had a good little lick. And then the main one, a big lick you had was Toronto? Toronto is a good lick for us. And you guys were moving it through. Chocolate.

Chocolate. But, yeah, tell us about the pallets of chocolates and how they made it a couple of chocolates and how they made it across the border. So I had a kid that went to USC, that his family, all they did was import export, but they basically, they were from London, so the UK, they would send in this European chocolate, which is very famous in the US, you would never know.

But this guy had like a 20,000 square foot warehouse in Rancher Dominguez, which is Compton. And they would have these pallets of expired chocolate. And I already knew he was in the chocolate business because I went to school with this guy. And I was like, dude, I got to meet this guy. I got to talk to him. And I knew he was going to one of my buddy's weddings.

And I'm like, I'm going to talk to him there. And I'm going to get him liquored up and I'm going to ask the question. And, dude, I saw his wife. His wife had this like Chanel bag, like a $20,000 Chanel bag and just high maintenance, bougie girl. She played tennis at SC. And I'm like, this girl's just put him through the ringer, right? Fucking nightmare.

Dude, dude, I felt I felt him, dude. I was like, this poor guy. So I said, I know how I'm going to get him. So I sit down with him. He's already a couple of cocktails deep. And I'm like, dude, how would you like, I see your wife's fucking putting you through it. I said, how would you like $50,000 cash every month free?

All you have to do is give me your expired chocolate and his eyes lit up like I had him. He's like, what? I said, dude, let's talk on Monday when you're sober. We had coffee and I sat down. He's like, okay, what did I got to do? I said, all I need you to do is when you leave at 6 p.m., just leave the door open. I'm going to come in with my guys and tell me where those expired chocolates are and let me do my thing. He's like, dude, I want to be there.

I'm making 50 grand. I'll be there. Big mistake. Big mistake. And I try to keep him out of it, you know? So he's like, dude, I don't care. I'm making that money. I'm going to help.

So he's helping. We're literally like taking boxes of chocolate off the palate. No, chocolates are these chocolate bars? They're bars, European chocolate bars. There's like 24 in a box, right? So we're literally like taking them out of the box, putting the kilo in, putting the layers back. So it looks like you're getting a box of chocolate. But these pallets are so tall, you know, they're almost five feet tall.

So we're literally just placing them in different spots. And for the, listen, it's possible that customs can open every one of them. But usually what they do is they go to the first few. They open them. It's coming from a chocolate company. And that was my big thing. Like, okay, it has to leave from your warehouse. I need your DHL route.

I can't have it leave from anywhere else. Right. And then when I started doing the logistics into Canada, I said, I need your vehicles. and I'm paying you $600 on each one, and I'm paying you that $50,000 already. So now I'm using his vehicles, and it's not going to get stopped. You open it up.

And what kind of vehicles? They have their own trucks. I mean, it's their own logistic company for their company. So it's like not in a million years you're going to open that truck and say, oh my God, I got to go through all this chocolate.

No, you're not going to. No. It doesn't work that way. It's a company that's been around 30 years. Right. And it's the amount of volume that's going through there. If something gets busted at the border and you see a big, it's a tip, dude, that means four times as much got through. Or it's a competing cartel that got the drop on someone who's trying to move that out.

We would do that all the time. You say, hey, you got one right here. Come pick it off. No, tell us about this. No. Tell us about this, dude. Dude, I've seen it where they know a vehicle is about to cross and they will give Intel and they'll be right behind it. This is famous, a famous trick.

And they'll follow that guy and they'll say, hey, this vehicle has something. They would give a tip. This is TJ going into the States, but this is the States going into Canada. No, T.J. going into the States. Wow. It's a famous. Of course. Everybody knows that.

But the fact that you saw that. I've seen it because I remember we got like 20 kilos of Coke. I'm like, are we good? He's like, we're waiting. We're waiting. I said, well, what are we waiting on? He says, we're waiting for the hop. I said, what do you mean?

He's like, why is it taking so long? He says, we just gave up someone's load right now. we're just waiting for that load to get picked off. And like they have literally, you can go see, like, when they had the bridge and do you want to, you see guys watching. And there's a high rise. Do you remember the bridge? I know. Yeah.

So they watch. They're making sure. Yeah. Now they have a high rise that they built, uh, that looks down on the border. If you go watch our episode of that Calderon in T.J. The top two floors are penhouses. And they got guys with binoculars that are just looking down at the border with radios. Yep.

See? the Siguente, el Sirese, vaise, boom. And so they'll either, yeah, but the hop, they call it like the rabbit. Yeah. They throw the rabbit out there. Some guy gets caught, either he knows it or he does it. A lot of guys know it too.

A lot of guys know it. Like, hey, this is your job. You're going to go to federal prison. You're going to get the meal. It's a meal charge. It's going to serve like two years. Yeah. And guess what?

We take care of your family and you come and do it again. I mean, guys do this for a living. How long would it take since Hefe was sending the product across the border piecemeal, 20, 30 bricks at a time. How long would it take to accumulate? Like, how much work? When would you say go? Would you wait until 100 kilos made it?

Minimum 100. Okay. So 100, I've had anywhere between 100 and 275 kilos. Like, it's, we're waiting and staying in that stash house. And how long would that take? A week to put together? Maximum two weeks. Usually every two weeks we're moving.

We're working. Right. So a couple hundred kilos. Yeah, like Tank and Rufus, those guys that are in, that you'll hopefully one day interview, they were like, they loved every two weeks because they knew they're getting paid, right? Right, right, right. Okay. And they would use Uber vehicles. We had these stash vehicles.

Like, we had like a minivan that we'd have like a family driving. And it would come out like on hydraulic systems and these, these kilos, we could fit 100 in the minivan out of the bottom of it. And that's coming from Mexico. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. So, so you never had a problem with like, oh, the whole mother. got picked up. No, not in my lifetime.

And with that, all those were coming to your warehouse at Normandy Boulevard? Yeah, so we had one there and then we built another one over where tank lived in Bayon eyes area. Right, right. Okay, so then, and then you move them down to the Compton to the chocolate factory.

Chalka factory, yeah, that was... Willie Wonka. Yeah, Willie Wonka. And this fucking dork insists on being there. Stupid. And you know what happened? I told you. He ended up, when I got indicted, obviously, they already knew about them because they're watching me and they went to him and they said hey you're gonna go to prison for at least 20 years unless of course you like getting fucking ass yeah yeah you know these

nerdy college kids like yeah what do you what do we got to do right for two years they work for the fbi i all these nerds they watched oz and i just think that's what prison's like there's just giant riots happening all the time dude listen to me guys federal prison is a fucking cake walk it's not like the state that's for sure no it's sometimes it's not though no it just depends we you go. I've seen riots. I've seen stabbings. But they're literally when the lower custody level, obviously the easier it is. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, so you're putting, wow. So you were getting like hundreds through to Canada at the time? Dude, sometimes 200. But the margins aren't there, right? It's just, I'm getting paid a logistics fee. Yeah. I'm making like a, my thing was, I think a thousand bucks was

my part and I would give the chocolate guy 600. So I was keeping like 400 bucks. But for me, it's doing nothing. Like I'm literally like, 40 G's. Dude, I'm just like, just coordinating off of Blackberry. Yeah. And who were his customers in Canada? I don't know. I don't deal in that. It could have been Ryan Wedding. He could have been. You know? It probably was now that you say that. He caught a case in 2015. That's when he went on the run. It was probably him. Wow. Now he's in Mexico with them. Holy shit. I guarantee it was him. See, I don't ever coordinate with those people. Right. Of course not. Of course not. I guarantee it. I could guarantee it. That makes sense.

and you're are you happy now no back then no man I was just nervous like listen don't get me wrong I love like this life of the party but it's like you're constantly looking over your shoulder yeah you know the feds are after you were you and you're on Xanax Xanax Coke GHB like everything you could imagine Vikingin every time I play golf I take five vikinen and I'm like my wife's like dude you take Vicodin and I said only when I play golf she goes yeah but you're golfing six days a week I was like fuck maybe that's why I do it. Where were you living?

Beverly Hills. So you had a nice house? I had a house in Beverly Hills. I had a house in Costa Rica. Had a house in Mexico. Had a house in Peru. Really? I was fucking international.

I didn't know you had a house all over the place. What were you doing in Costa Rica? What was the plan with those properties? The Costa Rica was literally where my office was for the sports business. So it made sense. I'd go down there like two weeks out of the month. And then once I started to build that where it was basically I had a manager handle everything. I just kind of stepped back.

What did you guys do in Mexico and Peru? What were your houses there? Were they just investment? That's where we started. We started it was an investment. They took that. Government took that. Government took everything.

But the Peru, I really liked Peru because I was building like this penthouse and it overlooked Mary Flores. Mirafouras, yeah. Beautiful area. Yeah, yeah. The food's so good in Marifluores. Probably the best food I've ever had.

It's great. The Civece. Peru's about to come the fuck up. China just built a huge, massive port there. you're going to see, man. It's going to look like Singapore or some shit. Maybe not quite like that,

but it's on its way up. Did you cheat on your wife? What kind of question is that? The way they look at it is like this. If they're your wife and they're number one, they're cool, but do not put it in their face. Don't be showing pictures of you on anything that you're with your mistress or your girlfriend

or whatever girlfriend you're with. That's like a big no-no. Like, they know what goes on. You know what I mean? At the end of the day, they like to be number one. Did I tell you to not avoid chicks from Sino-Lo? I take it all back, dude. That rules.

Dude, they have rules. They know. It's that narco-life. Okay. So did you have a, did you have a, this is like 2014, 2015, where we're kind of approaching the end of the line. Did you, did you have a plan to get out? Were you that forward thinking enough?

50 million. That was my number. 50 million and be done. We were going to get a ton into Australia, and I was going to make $50,000 on each one. Okay. And that was my goal. Okay.

How were you going to get around all of the taxes and the people that you would have had to pay? I was just going to slowly pay it. Like, I was going to pay the fees. I mean, obviously, I see. I mean, that was going to be the start. Like, that was the number. Wow.

50 million. That would be a good number, huh? Yeah. I think you could do anything with $50 million. Like, as far as, like, you're going to make money for the rest of your life just off interest. But did you think now, do you reflect? and say, God, 10 million, like, you're so capable.

Like, when you're moving shit at that level, you realize, and when you get locked up and you have a time to reflect, you're like, oh, I didn't need that much money. No, but that's where the greed comes in. And I think going to prison, I tell people going to prison is the best thing that could happen because now I reflected. Like, when I was getting my master's degree, I was like, okay, dude, I could have done the same setup what I want to do now if I had like $2 million.

Like, I really could have. Like, I've raised all this money from these investors to start. start this ice cream company. Now I'm like 51% owner. And I'm like, man, this could be all mine. Like, I'm so mad at myself. But at the end of the day, we know it's clean money now. Yeah. And I'm not using dirty money. And now, you know, you get what you pay for. No one gets away with anything. No, not this day and age. Look at Mayo. He's been on the run for 30 years and they finally got him. Yeah. Yeah. And even if you get away with it, like your kid. Someone's going to pay for it. Somebody will pay for it. Like America is paying for the crimes.

that we committed to build this country. I really believe that. You know, you see people addicted to fentanyl. You see families falling apart. You see narcissism, hedonism. This is all generations of the Lord doing his work. I really believe it. No, I agree with you.

100%. Okay, so 2015 is when you took the fall? September. September 9th, man. That's when I got arrested. That's crazy. That's crazy. Fuck.

September. November 9, 2010 is when I took my fall. Yeah, September 9th, 2015 is when you get arrested at the golf course? Yeah, I'll be our country club in San Diego, Carl's bet. Oh, it's a nice country club, dude. So nice. Like 500 round. What evidence do they have against you?

Well, they just did that five kilo bus. So they arrested my runner. He says he threw in the white towel and he's like, hey, do whatever you got to do. Like, we're waiting here. So he took his time. But they got the gambler now. That's a full government informant. for the FBI.

They're building now my RICO case for three months. And unbeknownst to me, they obviously have all my computers because they raided all my houses. Internationally, too? A state, they did get international stuff, but they didn't have to show up there. They did go to Peru and they got one of my managers. But they're building this RICO now.

So they go internationally to Peru, get my manager over there. They're literally building this case for three months and they go arrest everyone at the same time. And they're like, okay, guys, you guys are charged on a RICO, owns the kingpin on the charge. What do you guys want to do? And then that's when everyone just folds, right? Like, you're expecting that. These are all squares.

Yeah. And I can't get mad. You know, I got these people in the mess. And I'm not dealing with criminals, right? We're not dealing with the mob. We're dealing with literally like kids from USC, accountants. Right. FBI retired FBI agents.

You know, like people that we're working with are not. Right. But they had the evidence. The main guys that helped them. make the case were the kid who owned the chocolate company or his parents owned the chocolate company. He worked for them for two years. Two years. So they got

I mean thousands of kilos they could put on you. Oh yeah. From that, just that route. That route alone. And then they got a 276 kilo bus with them. Like he was working with El Hefe. Who was? The chocolate guys. Yeah. The nerds? The nerds. So there was a middle man that ended up taking his life as well. His name was Mark

Emerson. He was took over my position. And I didn't find this out until like three years into my sentence. Yeah, I didn't know. So he was working with El Hafe through encrypted phones. After you fell. After I fell. And they were using the Chalky factory to ship. But no one knew that the Chalka factory was working with the FBI the whole time. And so they set up all these kilos being moved. And they're using the Chalka Factory's routes. Right. And they did a, I read the indictment. It was like a 270. 26 kilo bust of El Hefe's. And then I read the indictment.

The guy Mark Emerson, who ended up taking his life, he overdosed on fentanyl and go figure. Probably El Hefei's sent it to him. He was addicted to pills, oxies. Yeah. He overdosed. He got arrested. And like two weeks later,

he was agreeing to cooperate. I read all this in the discovery. He was agreeing to cooperate, and he was supposed to go have a meeting with El Hefe. Yeah. And they were going to try to... They were going to try to intercept. Oh, El Hefe knew that.

Dude, he knew. There's no way he didn't know that. To this day, I think, because El Hefe knew this guy was a pill popper. Yeah. To this day, I really truly believe El Hefe somehow had those pills dropped off to him.

Well, he was probably moving fentanyl too. Oh, for sure. By then, it was moving. They're moving fentanyl. So I strongly believe that El Hefe had him killed. I really do. Wow. So I cannot believe.

I didn't know that. Dude, I didn't either until I saw my discovery like three years later. I mean, how stupid can these guys be to keep using that same chocolate route. Because they didn't get busted. That's what, like, literally, that's how good the government is.

They literally said, hey, we're going to operate your encrypted phone that you use with this. Oh, so they were working the whole time. The whole time. Oh, I see. Got it. It was the feds working with the chocolate company.

They said, we're taking your phone. You can continue working, and you're not going to say a word. But He He knew that you went down. So he must have known. He must have known. A back of his mind, right? Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. You know what I did here, though? I remember I was in MDCLA when I came back from Australia. And there was these two truck drivers that worked for El Hefe. And they were truck drivers. All they did was handle logistics. And they said they went to Canada to cross some work.

And he said El Hefe had him change out the Coke for sugar. And when they got stopped, they raided the truck and they found the kilos of sugar. And the guys were still getting charged. they're like, no, we're taking it to trial. O'Hfe put sugar in the kilos. Wow. And he says, we're taking it to trial because it's not a drug. Yeah.

But it's still a conspiracy. They got off. They're Russians. Yeah. Of course. Yeah. It's sugar, motherfucker. Yeah.

I got a sugar company. Well, I always wondered that why when they bust people, when they send rabbits out, why not just make it like almost not, why not send sugar? Yeah. Cross and Tijuana. I guess because you make it hot. You need to make it where it smells, eh? You need the dogs to sniff it.

True, true, true. Good point. Good point. Oh, I got chills, man. Crazy. And Hefe is still out there. Whoever he is. A ghost.

We don't know. He's a ghost. Unless it's somebody who I'm not, maybe I'm guessing the wrong person. But look, there's, you know, there's a lot of people. It might not be Yvonne. It might not be one of Chappos

direct. First of all, Chappo is like 13 kids. we know about. A lot of kids. So there, but it could be, you know, there's guys in Kulia Khan who own tomato plants. You don't know who they are. Cinaloa is very big. The cartel has different pieces, right? Right. And a lot of people are like you, they're investors. They're legitimate business people, but they put their money behind drug deals for the car. And the cartel uses their logistics and their power to move those drugs. Correct. And that's actually how the cartel works. Yes. We all own a piece of the route.

Like everyone doesn't realize, like, when I have 100 kilos on this palate of chocolate, like people don't realize there's different pieces that are all invested by other people. We all take a piece of percentage. Yeah. My percentage was usually like 5%. But, like, the big dogs are taking, they want the big sliver of like 20%. Yeah, but 20 could be owned by this guy from Bariairaguato. This guy's from Mazatlan.

Two Savas. Yeah. So, and I just learned this from the process of doing this podcast, you know, but it doesn't go that deep and a lot of these guys may never be caught silent investors um you did so the they sentenced you to 21 21 and three months ended up doing nine years behind the fence and then another like 12 months and a halfway house does it do you famously not famously you put this was a big clip that went viral on on when we did the podcast for patreon when you were in mdc in l.a You get a lawyer visit.

That's right. And it's not your lawyer. Yeah, it's the cartel's lawyer. And they give you information. Yeah, they're like, save yourself. Save yourself. And they're like, hey, this is going to get you time off. This is it.

It was a file literally like this thick on this, this rival cartel. Can you tell us who the rival was? Is someone from new generation. I'll tell you that much. Okay. And it was someone that worked as a lieutenant for them. Right. And this is like, the file is that thick.

And I was like, dude, there's no way I can talk on someone. I don't know anything about it. And he's like, you can study it. I'm like, I'm not doing it. There's no way. Like, if the government catches you in a lie, it's a, all bets are off. Right. Like, you cannot fucking lie to the government.

Because they already know everything. But you, the proffer, you proffered. I proffered against my crooked attorney. Right. Which you guys see in the documentary what happens. Right. There was, the attorney from Australia. Correct.

Did he end up doing time? I think he ended up doing like two years. Okay, but they did get him. But they got him. Well, yeah. they flew me in Australia. I mean, you're going to see in the documentary. And that's how you got, they knew they were going to do that the whole time.

They knew. And I was not lying about, I knew he was crooked. And I'm like, I'll tell you what I was doing. I had a phone, a special phone that I used with him. I was a throwaway phone. And like, I was the only one that knew that. You know, obviously he's not going to tell that. So you go into prison.

Did you know this whole time? Hang on, hang on. First of all, this is fascinating. This is the whole, this brings it home. If you had just said, if you had just played, if you just played, pled guilty but said, I'm not giving anybody up. What were you facing? What did they threaten you with?

Well, I already was facing it. It was 21 years in the U.S. Excuse me. The plea agreement I signed was for 30 years. They can give you 30, up to 30 years. But the kicker was they had me after the 30 years that I would have to go to Australia and do a 25-year bid, a life sentence

because it was anything over two, anything over three kilos in Australia is a life sentence. Importing. Wow. So I had that that was scaring me. Like, okay, fuck the U.S. thing. That's obviously, we're going to try to get my lawyers like, hey, they're asking for 20.

We knew that they're asking for 20. No, excuse me. Yes, they were asking for 20, and my lawyer was going to ask for 10. And usually the judge splits the baby they go out, and they give you 15. So we were going in there thinking you're going to get 15. Right.

But they gave me that 21, and then they made me earn that time off. Okay, but could you have, but you had to proffer. But could you just say, could you have walked in there and said, I plead guilty, but I'm not telling you about any money. I'm not telling you about any routes. You and I want to be here.

I would be doing my 21 years in U.S., and then I would be extraded Australia to do 25. Okay. And I don't have sucker on my forehead, right? Basically, you're basically doing a life sentence at this point. That is a life. Okay. So did you, so you, but you didn't, you did you,

so you gave up information on the lawyer before you got sentenced. Yes. Okay. So I took my deal and then that's when my lawyer came in and said, hey, you're not playing with the cartel? Okay, how about this subject? You had a crooked attorney. Would you be willing to talk on them? Remember, that's the same crooked attorney that made me go in and speak to the Beverly Hills Police Department. Before I was arrested two years prior. I would have never done that interview because we're not supposed to talk to authorities, but I'm taking my lawyers, my legal advice from my attorney that it's not a U.S. matter. The money was. in Australia. And I said, are you sure? I was like, mate, it's not a US matter. And you'll see in the documentary, you're trying to recover like 700 grand that you lost while you're down there. But do you realize that's what saved your life? Because if you didn't have this lawyer, you would have had nobody to tell on except for the cartel. Yeah. Literally, it's the best thing. People tell me you won the lottery in life.

You literally have someone looking after you. And I believe that, no doubt. So when you go in, you get sentenced to 21, do you know that they're going to fly your to Australia at some point? No, my lawyer comes in the next day. I'm like suicidal pretty much. I'm like, dude, I just got 21 years. I'm bum, right? And I knew I had that little chance,

but nobody takes it to trial ever, right? You know that. 98% of people take a deal. So I'm like, dude, this guy's going to take a deal. I'm fucked. And my lawyer comes and sees me and goes, remember, don't give up. He says there's always that crooked attorney you had.

And in the back of my mind, I thought about it the whole time, dude. Like I kept telling my family that they'd visit me, come on. dude, we're going to get a chance. Trust me, I'm not going to be here 21 years. And I kept manifesting it, literally. I had girlfriends visit me.

Like, I'm going to be out, baby. Just watch. Like, I would put it in my head. Yep. And then when they came to get me, I was like, dude, this is amazing. It's happening. It was about five years into your stretch, right? And people were like, dude, you're getting extradited.

Everyone in the prison thought I was getting extradited to go do time. Right. Because I had that, like, it was in newspaper articles. Right. I got a life sentence over there. Now, did you have a snitch jacket? it when you first went in? No, because I don't have, I don't have anything.

The Rule 35 only kicks in when you actually do your cooperation. Right. Giving evidence after your time. Like, so look, it's called a Rule 35. The only way you can get that time off if you do go testify against this attorney, this crooked attorney. So I didn't get my time off until that happened. So you actually walk to walk. So there's no jacket.

I walked everywhere. My paper was showing I had a mandatory minimum and I had that time. It's like you're not looking at it. Like there's no 5K1 letter, right? Yeah, because when you do 20, you really can't go into the feds with a jacket. No. Because they're going to, when you're doing 20, you're going to a high level. So you really got to be clean or else you're going to probably get.

Dude, within the first 10 minutes, they're already on me. Who? The shot caller in my unit. Where'd you go? USP Lompoc, which was a medium. And they all white boys, skinheads, you know. Nazi lowriders running your paperwork. I'm like, oh my God.

And those guys, they take it so serious. So even at a medium, you could get touched. For sure. I've seen it. So you're, but okay, good, you're clean. You don't have any, but you know in the back of your mind. I'm hoping, I'm hoping, right? Yeah.

You never know until you actually get there. So everything was pretty chill. I mean, you saw some things, obviously. Yeah, I mean, I saw murders. You saw murders? I saw one at MDC, Mexican mafia put a hit on a guy that owed money. He was supposed to just poke him. The Serrano was just supposed to poke him to make him pay.

And he actually hit him right in the kidney. Is it the kidney right there? This was in the NBC. In the NBC, dude, it's- That's jail. Yeah, that's not even. That's the holdover. That was a Mexican mafia member.

I'm not going to say his name, but he got a life sentence for that. He was already in there for life, so he didn't care. But, dude, it was gnarly. Everyone that was part of that, they, it was during COVID. The guy was, his bunky had to do the shot.

They called the shot. He was supposed to poke him. And during COVID, you weren't allowed to, we weren't allowed to take showers, but once every like three days. So it happened on a Friday. after showers. And then for Saturday, Sunday,

we went to take a shower on Monday. They killed the guy on a Friday. They put him in the bed, put a blanket on him so it looked like he was sleeping. Every time the cops would come, they'd just shine the light. It looks like he's sleeping. Come Monday, they open the doors

and just fucking reeks. So that guy was in the cell all weekend with a dead body. And he got charged for the murdering. He ended up flipping. Yeah, I believe it. Did you see anything while you're in prison? A lot of hangings. Dude, I was surprised.

I saw two hangings, and I seen them where they jump off the, one in Victorville and one in, was it? One in Victorville, one in Longpock. And then I saw two overdoses. The Sellies, they did a shot of heroin when I was in MCC San Diego. Both of them must have took the shot at the same time because they both died. Oh, my God. You saw, as you witnessed them starting to come down. Yeah.

Well, we saw all the guards coming. It was we were locked down. Yeah. And we're like, we're like fucking, everyone's banging. And we're like, dude, something's going on. Did you say you saw a guy jump off the tier? The tier with a rope. Yeah, that was gnarly.

I can't believe you. Three floors, dude. Oh, 33. No, three floors. Yeah. So off the, there's that Victorville. Yes. And that's third level.

Victorville's a horrible, horrible prison. With a sheet. Victorville's the worst prison in California, I think. It's probably the worst town in California. My producer John is from Victorville. Oh. Talk about a fucking bag of white trash. So Victorville is crazy.

I can't believe you. You can't survive Victorville if you have bad paper. No, no way. I've seen him beat sex offenders off the yard. We had a guy here, JC, the early days of the Connect, and he did time in Mexican prison. And he was like, I'd do that over Victorville any day. Wow.

So you're just keeping your head down, doing your thing. You get that call. Or you get that lawyer visit, right? Dude, it was a blessing, right? It was literally I got into Australia and the whole country shut down. The whole, it was COVID. Right.

So, dude, you went to hold. But the U.S. Marshals, how did it happen? Let me tell you. So I got there. They pulled me out of my cell in Lompoc. I literally go jail to jail until I get to, I had to spend a couple nights in jails going to the L.A.X airport.

And I had Australian authorities waiting for me, three of them in jackets. And no one would tell me like what's going on. I'm thinking I'm getting extradited for my time. I'm like, dude, why aren't you guys telling me what's going on? And they can't tell me by law. They're like, you're going to get a lawyer call when you get there. I'm like, holy smokes.

So I get on this plane. I'm on Qantas, I think it was. And I got these guards, like just guys in suits. And now I'm in just like blue jeans and a t-shirt, like a golf shirt. And the captain comes back and he says, Hansen, am I going to have problems with you? I said, no, you're not going to have problems with me. He goes because we don't allow handcuffs on this flight. I said, you're not going to have problems with me.

I said, hey, Captain, do me a favor. Can I get some of that stuff in the first class? Like, send me like a cheese plate or something? Yeah. And he sent it to me. That's awesome. Oh, so you were on a commercial. I was the first one.

Yeah, civilian. I was in the back. Wow. I was telling people, man, I was like, dude, you're with civilians. You haven't smelt a woman in so many years. Like, there's a four that looks like a 10. Yeah.

And you're like, oh, look at that, babe, over there. I just want to put my hand on her. It looks like a koala. Yeah. Dude, I'm looking at these girls like drooling. I'm like smelling them. It's like a human, right? Yeah.

If you don't get that. Wow, that's fascinating. So somebody could be on a flight and they don't even know they're with a convict. They had no clue. I mean, you wouldn't guess. Like, I looked like a normal guy. Yeah.

No, it's just wild. They didn't put you on like the con air. No, they can't. I mean, 17, 17. Yeah.

Holy shit. And then I get there and literally I, I get there and COVID hits. Now the country shut down. U.S. shut down. everything shut down. I'm like, dude, literally they flew me over just for this trial. The judge came in and said, listen, we're shutting down the courts. I'm like, oh, great, I'm fucked. He's not going to be able to take it to trial. And the judge says, no, this guy's

been, he's here. They wanted this guy. He was like a famous dirty lawyer. Dirty corrupt lawyer. Yeah. They said, you're here from America. We're running this. This is the last case on my file for the next, until COVID's done. Right. And we ran it. So you went, so it wasn't over Zoom. you were in trial. No, I was close there, man. They put me in a suit. And I was like, listen, this guy told me, my lawyer told me specifically to make this story up.

And my lawyer specifically told me to go to the Beverly Hills PlayStation. And my lawyer knew, I told them that this is, we should just let this money go. It's going to cause this problems. Because that's what I did, Johnny. I was like, dude, it's not worth it. By the time we split all this money up,

I'm going to get like $200 grand. And I just told them the truth. I'm like, yeah, I called him on a cell phone. I had a encrypted, I had a, throwaway phone. He had a throwaway phone and that's how we communicated. And like, dude, I'm saving my ass. That was it? That was it. They had obviously other people that testified, but they needed me to basically say that we communicated through this, these, they call them throwaway phones in the US. They call them something else over there because they're really hard to get throwaway phones over

there. Wow. Wow. They really wanted this guy. And he only did a couple of years. Yeah, he got, I think he was 70 years old and he got arrested or he went to jail during COVID so you know everyone in in prison got like that COVID relief yeah they're getting out early yeah and he used the old oh he's his his health is bad you know they use everything he's a lawyer he's corrupt okay so how long were you on the stand for two days I think it was oh wow they would kept calling me like they need little things like okay so what else it would you know we would send him money like to pay dodgy so I guess what do they call him There's a solicitor in Australia, and then there's a, there's someone higher up, and they're the guys that wear the wigs.

I can't think of their name. They're like judges, magistrates. Magistries. It's like someone higher up, and he says we could pay those people off. And I would send him wires in Australia. Barristers. That's barristers. He says, mate, we'll just pay off some barristers.

So I'm thinking, dude, this guy hasn't made. We're paying off barristers. So I would literally wire him money from my. construction company and they're tracking like all this money I'm sending them so I thought this lawyer was like dude the man right I'm like so I had to explain to I'm like I'm just telling I'm doing what my lawyer is telling me to do now was he stealing that money or was he actually stealing he must have yeah dude this guy stole so much money from from me he had money in the apartment that he stole still because I couldn't go back to the US and money in the attic right you got me for a couple

million I didn't care just Johnny I was so excited that I could like when they told me this guy It was like in gambling, it's called getting your get back. Like you get a shot to win your money back, right? For sure. And you don't have to tell on anybody in the game. No. For me, that's like, if you want to call me a rat, call me a rat. If you're not hurting my feelings, I'm a chess player, right?

Yeah. This is a business. And to me, I don't think it's considered ratting if you're telling on someone. It's like telling on a cop. Like, this is a lawyer that's supposed to represent you. Yeah. And call me what you want. And also you, your boy tank, your number one,

worker lieutenant, you told him to tell on you so he could get off early. You're playing high level chess, my friend. And people that want to call you a rat have never seen real money in their life. They've never been in our shoes, right? I promise you that. Wow. So after that, did you get shot right back to the States? Six months later, dude.

Because you spent, so you're done in jail there? Yeah, awesome jail. For sure. 33 by 10, so 330 square feet. bed, 72 channels on my TV, including soft porn. Dude, I had soft porn. I had a George Foreman Grill. I had this thing called a Rebel, which is like a coffee pot.

I had a shower, had like a little kitchenette. And every day you had the guys come by with the trolley. And they're like, you want whole milk, 2% non-fat, what kind of cereal you do you want, Mr. Hansen? Like, here's a loaf of bread. Here's jam. Here's jelly. Dude, I didn't want to leave. I'm calling my lawyer in America.

I'm like, dude, keep me here the whole time. This is the spot. Would that have been an option? No way. He says, you know how much money it's costing them to keep you there? For sure. Dude, it's like three times the amount

the U.S. pays. Now, did you have any danger because you did cooperate? At the end of the day, I was like, okay, my custody level is going to probably drop eventually. So I'm like, okay, I'm going to go to a low. Yeah. I mean.

And everybody there is told. Yeah, everybody. I mean, your lows in federal prison, people don't know that, like, that's where they have to send sex offenders because they can't go to a camp. Right. So like nowadays, anybody that goes to a low, it's like 70% sex offenders. Like I was with Jared Fogel, right? This guy from subway.

Like, so I was literally like, I went to a cool prison. I said I wanted to be. So how long after you testified did you get the word that they had reduced your sentence? Dude, years. Because I had to wait for COVID to be over. The judge wasn't going to rule. He didn't rule until 2023, end of 2023. But did your lawyers say, don't worry? He says it's up to the judge. Wow. So the judge, the, we got- Obviously, you knew you were going to have to go to Australia and do 25.

That was all. That deal was off the table. That was part of my agreement. So that's a huge relief. So that relief was off. I was like, okay, at least I don't have to worry about that life sentence. Because that was part of the agreement, if I come over there. Right.

A lot of people think, oh, he's going to get extra. No, that's over. Like, this is, it's documented. Like, that was our agreement. Right. Okay. So I knew that was, and I was like, man, And okay, like, when are we going to hear on this other thing?

You told me we got a shot. And he's like, dude, just sit. It's up to the judge. Where were you sitting? Where were you at? I was MDCLA during COVID. That's when I saw that stabb. Right, right.

So they landed me there. And then I went to Victorville for a year. Fuck. Did they know what you were? No one knew because it was COVID still. So I was locked in my cell 24 hours a day. It was like solitary confinement. Thank God, though.

Dude, it was a blessing. Because now no one knows my case. They don't know where I was. No one's watching TV. No one's watching the news. Right. It was a blessing, dude. I would have kept my shit on me.

I would have kept a fucking banger on me, though. Dude, I was just like, okay, fuck, where are they going to send me? And then I remember, like, I got redesignated. I was like, they asked me where you want to go? I said, anywhere close to my father, my father lived in Montana. And I said, and they found a prison in Colorado. And it was a good prison. It was a low.

It was a lot. It was a badass. They had weights. It was called Ingoood. Dude, it was badass. And that's where you paroled out of it. That's where they featured that in Doc. Yeah.

Wow. Wow, dude. And now you're a fucking ice cream barren, bro. Plug the fuck. This is the best ice cream. Protein ice cream or not. Dude, I was going to bring some of that. I was like, man, I got to bring dry ice.

The plane's going to sweat. It's all good. It's all good. I'll order some and we'll feature it. You know, we'll put the link to it and everything like that. But you've literally been home. The Walbergs reached out to you. You're in the documentary.

You're in prison still. Yeah. You're making your ice cream. You see it. Yep. And you did well with that in prison, by the way. $15 a peanut butter jar, 50 jars a week.

You know, I saved that money. I literally will save that money to start the ice cream business when I got out. Yeah, you had some money when you got out. So tell us. So that's where we're at, California ice protein. I'm in, what is it, 100 locations now. New York, California, Miami, New Jersey, Philly. It's almost the same routes I used to use in the drug business.

So funny. But it's a healthy ice cream now. It's a protein, 20 grams of protein per bar. And, dude, I feel literally, I'm not going to lie, Joni, when I land pallets, I literally ship pallets. They're harder to ship these pallets than cocaine because it has to be frozen 24-7 and I get the same high. Even though I'm making like a dollar a bar on that palette, there's 5,200 on there. But you do the math. Like, this is a numbers game.

And for me, when I land that palette in New York for the first time, I had the same rush as when I land that first pallet across the border. Because it's creativity. Yes. It's you're doing something. It's your brainchild. That's really what it's about. Yep. And I love it.

Dude, I'm like, I want to be a kingpin for ice cream now. I think you will, man. I think you will. We're going to figure out how to get you out here to Texas. Yeah, for sure. We're going to, I'm going to get involved somehow. Yes, you are. The greed is now shooting off dopamine in my brain.

But literally you have a book, The California Kid, which I read and is excellent. And then now number two or three on Amazon, cocaine. quarterback. Yeah. And we're thinking about doing a second book. My ghostwriter said, hey, why don't we do my life from behind the fence? Because my book ends just getting arrested. Now, people are asking, okay, what did you do in prison? People have a sick fascination of prison. They want to know what's going on. And I started all these businesses, got my master's degree, started the protein ice cream, and then how did you get out? Like, that's part of the story. No one knows it unless you watch the doc, and it's only like two minutes. So I want to tell, like,

the game of chess, right? What did you get? What? Would you get? What? your master's in? Business administration. Right. And that's kind of what made me spark this idea like, okay, now I got to start a business. I continue the story. You got your master's degree. If I would have kept going in, if I would have stayed in prison the time I was supposed

to be a doctor for sure, I'd get my doctors. Yeah. It's so cholo. Yeah. I love it, dude. I was instantly like, oh, that's going to be a winner. Yeah, we're hoping. Yeah, man.

Well, I hope we're going to get tank in here to do the podcast. I am going to meet Hefe, and we are going to get him on the show somehow. Well, you better get to Mexico. Oh, and, man, you are, you're my buddy, dude. That's right. You're my, I really, I enjoy these talks with you. It's good to see you. And, yeah, cocaine quarterback on Amazon.

and then California protein ice cream. Links to all that in the description. And, you know, come back anytime, man. For sure. Let's work, dude. No worries. Let's do it, mate.