The Connect- with Johnny Mitchell - "I Cooked Kilos For Pusha T"- Virginia Drug Kingpin On Supplying Cocaine To Rappers & Celebrities

Episode Date: February 7, 2026

In this raw and unforgettable episode, Virginia street legend Pretty Tony sits down to tell his life story — from being introduced to crack at a young age, to becoming one of the most prolific cocaine cooks in Virginia history, to growing up alongside future rap superstars like Pharrell and the Clipse. Pretty Tony breaks down how he perfected the infamous “mix” that made him the go-to hood chemist, what it was like cooking bricks in kitchens for kingpin-level dealers, and how violence, robberies, torture, and street politics shaped his reality as a teenager. He also shares near-death experiences, including being shot in the face, wild encounters with rip crews, and seeing close friends and family fall to the game. This episode dives deep into: -Learning to cook crack at a young age -Becoming the neighborhood “hood chef” -Growing up with Pharrell, Pusha T, and Malice -Virginia’s hidden kingpin era -Drug droughts, cartel-style tactics, and street economics -Surviving shootouts, robberies, and betrayal A brutally honest look at the streets, the music, and the thin line between fame and prison. Go Support Tony! Book: https://a.co/d/036MGUqH Merch: https://shop.app/m/w53xak0gbe This Episode Is #Sponsored By The Following: Prizepicks! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/CONNECT and use code CONNECT and get $50 in lineups when you play your first $5 lineup! Rocket Money! Let Rocket Money help you reach your financial goals faster. Join at https://rocketmoney.com/connect Join The Patreon For Bonus Content! https://www.patreon.com/theconnectshow 00:00 From the Trap House: Pretty Tony's Origins 06:35 Family Ties & Street Influence 13:33 Virginia’s Crack Era: The Rise of the Street Game 21:05 This Episode Is Sponsored By PrizePicks 22:01 Family, Cousins, and Murderers 32:39 The Art of Cooking: Becoming the Hood Chef 40:03 Mastering the Mix: Cracking the Recipe 45:00 The Music Connection 47:24 This Episode Is Sponsored By Rocket Money 48:33 Links to Pharrell, Clipse, and the Scene 53:32 Hustling & Robbery Crews – The Risk and Respect 01:03:21 Rising Profits and Street Networking 01:16:31 High Stakes: Plug Connections & Expanding Operations 01:31:22 Caught in the Crosshairs: The Deadly Setup 01:46:09 Surviving the Hit: Aftermath and Transformation 01:55:00 Getting Out the Game & The Virginia Scene 02:01:47 Legacies, The Music Stardom, and Moving On 02:04:27 Reflecting on Regret, Survival & The Future Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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You're known as like the guy that figured out the mix. I went through the trials of playing on a stove with Pyrex, the glass. So you become the hood chef. Yeah, I was cooking for like three other people. I'd have been around Gizi and he had 20 bricks of soft inside the career, but we're just in the kitchen just, and that motherfucker just going crazy. You're like the Anthony Bourdain of cooking Coke. Did it really get that deep?

People getting tortured for their product? Yeah, I just was turning the radio like this. And while I was turning their radio, a bullet just shot straight through my head. Did you have the stomach for the murder game? I had the stomach for everything. I understood it because I was in the street. This is Pretty Tony, one of the most prolific cocaine dealers in the history of Virginia. He grew up with rap legends Pusha Tea and Malice from the clips

and was close friends with Farrell Williams before his fame. His epic story takes us from the trap house to the Playboy Mansion, to the hospital where he nearly died after being shot. twice in the face. A Virginia street legend like no other, Pretty Tony, right here on The Connect with Johnny Mitchell. All right, it's Pretty Tony. Real quick, before we get going, if you haven't subscribed to the channel already, please do me a favor and just quickly hit that subscribe button and turn on the alert bell. And if you love this conversation, feel free to like it and leave a comment. It helps get it out to so many more people. Let's make Tony go viral,

you guys. And then, of course, you can always get these episodes ad-free and uncensored over at the Patreon. All right, let's get into it. You're going to love it. Pretty Tony. Yeah, I was listening to the clips to get inspired for this, and I heard the famous hook in Virginia where ain't shit to do but cook. And I'm talking to the cook. And that came like when he, that song, right, yeah, ain't shit to do with cook. That's what that is, straight cooking food. But that came from around the time when my cousin shampoo was around. Uh-huh. We miss you shampoo and your grams too. Yeah. And Shampoo is your first cousin? Yeah, he's my close cousin.

I have very close. Second cousin. Wow. Yeah. Okay. And he ended up getting murdered. Yeah. Rest in peace.

We'll get to that. But really, you have this unsung claim to fame when it comes to the street and in Virginia and the street game and the dope game. And I don't even like to call it the street game because dudes for Virginia were getting real kingpin money from that era. You remember back when they made that paid and full movie and of course. That's how Virginia was. It was just like that.

Because all of New York, everybody from New York, like all the crews came down to Virginia to get money. Converged on it. Yeah. And that's because the price is so much higher. Yeah. Bring it down there. You get it.

Yeah. You know how that go. And less competition? Or is the competition still fierce like it would be in Harlem? I was just money out there. Nobody worried about that type stuff back there. Everybody in the cruise had $100,000 dollars. Like, everybody cruised.

Like, it was just, everybody had money in the street. And you're from the 90s. You're not like an original crack boy. Like, you're for a second generation. I was from the time when they had invented, came around with all that jump out and shit like that, like that task force. Because it was a time when we could walk around with shit in our pockets. And they couldn't touch you.

Right. Until I remember the first time when they came out with that task force and police just, our neighborhood is like one way in, one way out. They came across the interstays, everything, blah. Right. Yeah. But I mean, like, the phenomena of, like, crack first, you know, blew up in the 80s in the big cities, Harlem, Los Angeles. But it seems like you and, you know, the Farrell, Clips, Pusha, Tony era, GZ era was the 90s. Like, it seems like it took a while for base cocaine to blow up in your area.

Because you're not that old. No, I'm 51. Yeah, so you're from the 70s, grew up in the 80s, got on in the late 80s, 90s. Yeah, I went through my era of just somebody gave me like packages. Right. About 20s cut up, bring back 600, 600, keep 400. Right. It was a time I didn't see weight.

I didn't know nobody had weight. Yeah. So we was getting it the way we got it. Right. You know. So you're getting middlemaned. Right. Now, why is Virginia?

Middleman, I had a, my cousin, same last name. He didn't want me to last name crazy in the streets, but my cousin, when I was in junior high, he was giving it to everybody around me, but he wouldn't give me nothing. Because my pops told him, don't fuck, you know, don't mess with me like that. Right.

And I had to get work from the little dude that he was giving it to. You're getting it. Double middle bad, yeah. That's how I came in and started all. In junior high? Mm-hmm. Okay, so you're... I jumped off the porch early.

I was getting beating beatings and all kind of shit. For all. My pops had worked for the city, and I ain't know all the city people buying drugs, you know, and all his friends was coming and seeing me on the corners. Wow. The city workers. Yeah. And you're serving them, just a little kid.

Yeah, but everybody in my neighborhood, right? Say, we little kids, but everybody, it could be like 30 people outside. But everybody going to make like a thousand a night, selling 20s. In the 80s. That's crazy. I mean, it was like very beginning idea. Yeah. But I mean, it's an insane amount of money for a 13-year-old.

Yeah. So they couldn't stop me. Yeah, no. Wow. So your family, you're from like a working family. Your pops is in the picture, but there's just too much money. I mean, it doesn't matter if you come from a good family, you know? My pops was treacherous, though.

Like, I learned that early. Like, I learned that early. Like, I know. new stuff he had did, like, he had owed some people some money or some shit. And the dude kept coming to our house knocking on the door. And my mom, like, you know, told him somehow I keep coming to the house. They're thinking, you know, they're going to do something to the family or whatever. He called a dude, like, I got your money.

And when they met up with him, hit him, you know what I mean? Yeah. Oh, so Pops was into some shit? Right, right. So, so, so, like, even when I was young, I was always scared, like, my friends, give him something, friend him something, anything like that. I felt like don't mess with my pop.

They didn't know the nigga kid, you, you feel me? Yeah. Well, those old school cats all hustled on the side but had jobs. Yeah, but my pops was so cool. It was so cool that push everybody, everybody go pick him up by itself. But when he died, I just found out that everything shampoo did, he did with him.

Like, when shampoo snatched somebody up, my pops were snatching him for them. So you think your pops have bodies on him? Yeah, I know. did. No, I know he did. I'm telling him like, I know he did. That's what I'm telling you. Like, yeah. And then he was also... Like, that dude never came to house anymore. And he was also a city worker like he worked for like the electrical companies. I'd be around some of his people's, like his older friends. And they used to tell me stories about him and stuff. Wow. It's like when his younger

age and stuff. So he was always playing with that gun. Yeah. Okay. So you got gangsters in your family. Yeah. And then obviously your cousin's shampoo and, and, shampoo was older than you? Shampoo was probably like three, four years, three years older than me probably. Okay. So what kind of influence did he have, like when you were in junior high,

just getting off the porch? When I was young, he was that cousin that always kept going to boys' home and stuff like that. You know, how the family was like, the bad kids, you know, yeah, he was that cousin. So, you know, I always looked at him like he was different.

But when he came home and we ain't see each other in like years. And we met each other at McDonald's. It was like, wow. You know? Yeah, you guys locked in. Yeah, straight locked in from that day.

Yeah. Yeah. Virginia, I mean, you guys had some real murderers. Like, it's almost like the South in that way. Well, yeah, we had some real murderers. So, yeah. But I know the ones, though. You feel me?

And shampoo was the ones. You feel me? Like, I know the ones. Yeah. Yeah. People play with them guns. I grew up, like, even when we was growing up, like, it was little guys around me that we was all friends. You don't know who was a killer yet, so we didn't get taught this and that.

We learned by watch as time went and learning who the killers are. So I've been around them motherfuckers since they first took them first shots and they start hitting short. You know what I mean? And it just kept going. Did that blow your mind? Were you like, wow, this dude? I just felt like they were my friends. I don't know.

Like, I got a homeboy. I don't want to put him out there, but he, in school, you can joke him when we was younger. He blink a lot and stuff, right? You can joke him. It's something he'd do, you feel me? Yeah, it's a Twitch. Yeah, so you could joke him, but nowadays, you ain't joking that motherfucker like a kid. Sure.

Well, he was bullied. Yeah, he's traumatized. It ain't going down. You hear me. Yeah. Yeah, I know the ones. I was outside with the ones. The ones respected me, though.

Like, there was my people. I don't know was my cousins, though. My cousin Bubain got 164 years. He was like old dog in the motherfucking streets. Cheeseburgers. Mm-hmm. So, but you were used to crack from a young age. Yeah.

Okay. At a young guy. I really, I never so soft. I couldn't. I didn't. I know how to cook. I'm not going to get you. You know, I'm going to touch that.

then make it something. See, if I cook something, right, say if I had an onion or something, right, and I doubled it. If I front both of them out, if somebody do a loss, I don't want it to loss, but if somebody take a loss, I'll still get my money back. You feel? You feel? Well, you're known as, like, the guy that figured out the mix, the bomb mix that made your profit just go crazy. showed how to cook at a very young age,

and at the time when people ain't know it was going on, so they're probably thinking when you're getting it hard like that, it's just coming like that. They don't know, you actually know how to touch it. So they're thinking, I'm getting it like that, you feel me? But if you're already getting crack, right? If you're already getting hard, what made your shit different? What made your mix different?

Because, see, I went through the trials of playing on a stove with the Pyrex, the glass, and what time? I had the stove up too high and that shit just to baby little pieces with my work and going to the shit, burning up. So. Is that when the pot breaks? Is that what that refers to? Yes.

Turn it up to, too high? That heat is all about that heat. And I start thinking to myself like, if I'm going to cook for somebody else, I don't want to cooking no glass and the shit break. And I'm starting like, okay, that's Pyrax. Okay, you could cook shit in there in the oven. Well, why not use the tent? And when you make biscuits in, the tin, you know what I mean?

Like a pan, like a, like a biscuit pan. And I started using a big tin, and ain't no busing going on with that. It's belted the same way and everything, you feel me. I knew it won't go nowhere now. Right. Look, how much heat I put on it? Hmm. Hmm.

Okay, so then how did you start, how much weight did you start with when you were, when you started cooking like that? Probably like four and a half and, you know, small stuff. Mm-hmm. Small stuff. But that's a good margin, though. Yeah, it's a great. margin. So how much do you bring back after four and a half grams of four and a half ounces of

soft? How much cracked does that make? Well, I don't, and the way I cook, you could have put, you could have had it fucked up. Like, it could have been bad work. I'm still going to bring you back what I said. You feel what I'm saying? You know how some people cooking, they'll be like, oh, I lost out. You shit fucked up. No, if it's, I'm going to still make it right, and I want to cook good. Memorial Day weekend is almost here, and it's time to kick. off summer right. When I'm getting ready for the first big weekend of summer, Total Wine and More is my go-toe, especially when I'm firing up the grill with family. I'll grab refreshing beers, easy drinking wines, and some hard seltzers for the cooler. And with everything that

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Seriously? Yeah. So you melt the crack down. Right, right. They don't go to wearing that tin. Yeah, you're like a scientist, too. Over time, I'm trying. But, yeah, it ain't going to where I can take the harder.

It ain't matter what it was. I'm going to put something on it. Okay, so you could melt down four and a half or take four and a half and double it. Right. Okay. And there you go. There's a double.

I could triple it. It's still going to be the same hardness. You ain't going to be in there until you let you, you know what I mean? Were Coke droughts more common in a place like Virginia than like New York? It hit a lot, mainly around like Christmas time and stuff like that. that I'll, you know. You know why?

Yeah, because the Colombians take two weeks off for holidays. No, seriously, we've talked to so many people on this podcast that have said the same thing. They're like, why does it dry up around December? It's because the Colombians, and to an extent, to an extent the Mexicans, they're very, they're all about the Christmas holiday. So they just take it off. They do the books. They do the accounting.

Yeah. So that probably, you know, causes a shortage. Now, you're 13, 14, 15. Your crew is like a mix of killers, good dudes like you. Yeah, but I don't know artists like Feral. Right, you don't know who's the killers yet. Even if they hit somebody one time, you know, I've seen patterns. I've seen any patterns and you'll know which one don't fuck with him.

He's going to shoot, you're going to pull that trigger. You feel? Is it hard to keep his secret? Like, you know, kids just gossip. Like, when you're 15 and you got a body on you, like, don't you want to go tell somebody? Or is it, you know? Well, when you're young, we ran with our neighborhoods, so we won't talking outside our neighborhoods like that. Right.

And way back then, that code kind of still was strong. Yeah. Of that talking shit. So when did you meet Farrell? You grew up with Farrell Williams. I met Farrell probably like early 90, 91, 92. Okay. In high school?

No, we. He went to Prince's Ann. I went to Green Run. I don't know how, no internet, no Facebook, no nothing, but some kind of way I was, like, popular, like all schools. I don't know how, you feel me? Like, my name just wrong. Like, I probably was one of the first guys in Virginia Beach

because people from Norfolk, Ports, Smith, they looked at Virginia Beach. People like, you know, get families up there a little bit. Probably be a little soft or whatever. Right. I was the first one in Virginia. Beach probably to be able to go everywhere and deal with everybody. Interesting.

And they make it that they knew it was real ones out there. Right. Oh, so Virginia Beach was known as more affluent than North Folker. Like you go to any city. That's the good part of the city. Right. Right. Right.

Right. Right. Yeah, you're right on the beach. Yeah. Yeah, but you were, you made it gangster. There's a gangster element to Virginia Beach. There you go. I'm not the only gangst out in Virginia Beach, but I'm the one that flowed and

and went around all the other people and they took in to me. Everybody else probably stayed in the neighborhoods and just did what they did in the area, you know? I was kind of worldly. Now, was that because of drug dealing or people just liked your personality? That too, but yeah, the drug dealing,

you know, I went kind of hard in the streets too. Like, even the people that, like, don't, don't judge me for my past because I don't live there anymore. But the nigger that was, Taking money, all that type of shit. Have you seen this show? Yeah, yeah.

I knew, okay, say if you came to me, say, man, somebody broke in my house the other day, they cut my fucking ADT, da-da-da-da-da. I knew his crew did it. That's how connected I was in the street. And I call them, and they'd be like, yeah, I hit foot. You feel me? But the people I dealt with, they didn't take no $5,000 like that. They break a hair around and shit like that. You feel me?

They went for the big money. Huh. Okay. So you knew rip-off crews, robbery crews. Well, I knew all of them. Tell us about that. How are they hitting licks? How are they hitting licks?

Man, let me tell you some amazing shit, right? My cousin Shampoo. And rest of peace. But shampoo, like, he would come to us and he would never tell us he killed nobody. So anybody in the streets be like, oh, Poo told me he murdered. He beat three murders. Wow. But if somebody come to you, he'd be like, Poo told me,

It's a lie. I'm close to him. He would never tell nobody he murdered nobody. He would never tell me he murdered nobody. He might come and be like, ah, yeah. Somebody shot my car up 11 times last night and they wake up in the morning and he dead. And they want to blame it on me. That's how he talked.

You feel me? That's the most he'll do, though. He's a fucking psycho. Oh, no. He was cool as a bitch. Sounds like Lenny from Mice and Men. Yeah. Anyways, God.

But one time, right, it was these New York guys came in Virginia. And I was at Poo-Hung had told them he had a sale for six bricks. He had this little Honda Cori. He used to drive work in his bins. He had to drive a hundred cord around. So he had to do with him so he'd feel cool. We're going to make the pluck at them all. So the dudes don't want to be seen, though.

So he leaves the dudes in the car, walked through the malls. Good to meet the person to buy the six joints. He'd go hop in the car with my sister, baby, then through another exit and drive off, leaving with the haunted court, call him. Don't worry about looking for me. I'm looking for you.

Get out in my town. No, he went hard like that. Wow. Shit real. Just like, hey, you got a problem? Come and see me. Yeah. I just took you shit.

Yeah. Wow. And they was like on some old crazy shit. Like, oh, just give us two back. You know what I mean? Trying to get something in my soul, somebody, some money or something. But at the same time, my sister baby,

that they picked him up through the other door, he got some work from him too like a bird or something. My sister sliced him up with a razor blade made it look like somebody broken and creed, tied him up. Did him in? Yeah, so both of them got him at the same time. Wow. Your sister's kind of crazy too.

Yeah, Poo used to take money, money. Now, you talk about breaking in, cutting people's alarms and shit like that. How are you so tapped in? I mean, look, there was so much drug money in the street that ripping people off was a whole business in itself. No, yeah, yeah, but you can't do it now. That door,

doorbell. Oh, yeah, the ring cameras. Yeah. You didn't go down like we was doing it back then. How were you guys doing it back then? Bro, I was with things that would actually dress up. You know what I'm saying? Come knocking you, if I got a clipboard.

You feel me? Hold on. Like, for real. I got, I knew that if you got, people got tortured, I knew which crew did that. I knew which crew cut the, because everybody ain't had the same skills. Right. But at the same time.

everybody respected me. You feel me? I'm talking about all these crews respected me. I didn't did something with all of them. Even as a crew with just all New York dudes. I didn't grow up with them, but they respect me. I was at Tim Montgomery House one night.

Gold medalist. I was at Tim Montgomery House, right? Him and shampoo was like this. All pool cars and stuff was in Tim Nain. They was like this. He was like his muscle. Who was? And I'm at Tim House

one night. And I'm standing in front. I get a call the next day from the New York crew. And they like, yo, we was good to come in that bitch last night. We saw you standing in front with that. He told me the same clothes I had on and everything. And I'm in my mind like, because if I was in there, they had, you know what they do. You feel what I'm saying?

And what's so crazy, Tim had just got like 10 bricks of hair around that night. So if they had hit, they would hit. Tim Montgomery. Yeah. Was moving hair on like that? What? Holy shit. Stop.

Whoa. Well, I mean, excuse me for being surprised that a gold medalist had had 10,000 grams of smack on him. Well, yeah, you know, Tim just got out from his little case and stuff. You know, him and Jeezy on encore together. Okay. Wow, you Virginia motherfuckers really were some crazy bastards. You guys, it's my favorite week. end of the year. And if you're firing on action like I am, you got to do it with our partners,

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right. Now, why do you think, and I hate to sound like such a dork, but I really am a big clips fan. Trust there's hate here for out-of-towners who think that they go move weight here. Do you think would... Well, I mean... Would you guys work with New York, or were you basically just taking people for their shit? I have nothing against no New York people.

A lot of Virginia people might do, but I don't. Like, even growing up, when I was getting that workout, I was talking about the little shit. It was all coming from New York niggas, you, you feel me? And I wasn't the one to beat you over your money, so I can get anything. Right. So, but did it really get that deep? People getting tortured for their product and...

Yeah. Yeah. For real? Yeah. Wow. You guys are still teenagers, early 20s? Yeah. Early 20s.

Can you elaborate on that a little bit? Early 20s, 24, shit like that age. I mean, I don't know where to go with it. Like, okay, okay, let's, I can get you little stories. You feel me? I don't want to... Okay, look. I got a cousin, right?

Crisis. He, I ain't going to say he rich, but he gets money in the street. He do what he do, but he play with that pistol. He, say if they get fucked up, and I live in this city, there goes another city, go to a fucking crackhead lady house, knock on the door. It might be a little nigger in there selling something small. They're going to tie them two up and make him. call his connect. When his connect come there, he's going to tie that motherfucker up and make him

call his connect. So it goes up the ladder until you can get far as you can go. I'd have seen it down, bro. It's kind of brilliant. It's different. Yeah. Now, it's a different way to move for sure. That's pretty intense. Is any cartel? Is this just black guys? Or did you guys have Dominicans or Colombians in the mix? Any cartel presence? Because this is, stuff that like Mexican cartels do to each other. And your young African-Americans from the same community, it's, it's pretty grimy. That's, that's kind of like in my mind, I feel like, I really couldn't tell you why, like certain people like Farrell or Pusher, because Pusher used to play with us, you feel? He didn't tell him when he played. Oh, yeah, no, he had ruins. So,

so I couldn't tell you why, but at the time when the meet, You know, that music stuff grow. You know, their money's coming in. And I'm still fucking, I still connected to all these motherfuckers, though. You feel me? But I would never do nothing or let nothing happen to them. Like, they're my family. I had love for them, you know.

Now, did you know the clips, twin? Not twins, but did you know Malice and Pusha from a young age? The same time as Farrell? No, no. Farrell very early. Okay. Around at 91, 92. Puscher probably like 97.

Okay. Okay. So they're already dope boys by the time you meet them. Yeah. Pusher was hustling when I met him. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah. But you, I think you helped put him on. I think he used to cook for him, right? He couldn't do it at his family house. He did that at my family. He had a song that said grandmonds and aunts primary holders.

That was my grandma. that we used to keep all our work at the crib. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So he's from a pretty good family. Yeah, he is. Busha. And Malice, he's different, bro.

I fuck with Malice. He's got a good heart. He's just different. He's like, he's a family. He's about his family. Yeah. Well, he quit the music for a while because he thought it glorified, which it does, of course, glorified all of these negative things.

Yeah. Which I respect it. I mean, I missed it. but I missed the duo and they just dropped an album last year that's pretty good. So they're kind of back. Yeah, they got for five Grammys. Yeah, yeah. So did you see that?

So let's talk about Farrell first. At a very young age, the whole neighborhood saw how talented this dude was. Right. Right? Like you guys saw pretty quick. I mean, by 15, he made that joint for Teddy Riley. I was before the Teddy Riley stuff too, too, though. but it's, I'm trying to think, like, what made me feel like, oh, we're going to make it.

I don't know. I don't know, but it was just probably God, you know. It was in the air. Yeah, it was in the air. But it wasn't in the air so much of a record deal and stuff like that. Right. It was just for the time, because we was going to Chad basement and hanging at the new crib and, you know. Mm.

Mm. But you guys knew enough. You felt it where you're like, I felt. I knew he had something. We can't let this dude fall deep into the streets like us because he's not like us. I don't even think Farrell would have fell deep in the streets, for real. Because he's not like that. He hung around with everything.

And he went to all the clubs, you know. He won't like shout off him, but I don't think he would. He never, he wasn't drinking, you know, doing drugs, none of that type stuff. You feel me? Did he even have a pistol on him? Nah, but his brother was in the street. Eightball. Okay.

His brother was in the street. Okay. Like, for real. Hmm. Hmm. So he just hung around all of these drug dealers and he was well liked. No, that was the most. Me at that early age. All that extra shit came around from me bringing around me knowing this person, that person, they're just coming around now. You feel me? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, what about the clips? Did you see when you first met Pusha? I mean, I'm sure they were already making music. Did they, did you guys look at them like, oh, yeah, they're next up. If they can survive the street, like they're going to pop. And not just to say it because they're my friends or, you know, my childhood friends or whatever, but it's, I really knew that it was sex.

They had it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's, they're one of the only crews pushes specifically where they really lived what they rap about. Yeah. Yeah. You're not putting anybody's business out there.

The statutes are already up. how much would you cook for Puscha? How much weight did he, was he really juggling? I'm saying, I don't know. I didn't really cook too much of his work. Like, I can actually sit here and tell you, like he probably came to my grandma, but he did his own stir up twirling, you feel me?

Right. Well, how many bricks were you holding for him? I couldn't really say that. Nice, dude. I can't really say that. Nice. You're a good friend. Yeah, I'm a good friend.

But, no, I couldn't really say that, like for a all right just like that all right fair enough that really pisses me off I know

I see it to your face well what the fuck are we going to talk about no I'm just kidding there's plenty to talk about so did you finish high school yeah I got my GED okay had you caught a case as a juvenile

no no I have no I have no felonies wow but let me tell you something about the drug game. You're going to feel one or the other. You're going to feel one or the other.

You ain't just going to escape it. Obviously. And you didn't escape it as we're going to find out. Now, when did you actually learn, like, elevate from, you know, just getting hit off with packs that were already cooked up, Ready Rock. When did you learn? What age did you learn the mix and start to wholesale weight? I was like, automa, you know.

young and dumb, because I knew I always could get food, so I can make the money, spend it, get more food, woo, woo, woo, woo. Until I had this dude we called the Meat Man. One day the Meat Man, my mama let him the Meat Man come to my house too. One day the Meat Man came over, she was like, da-da-da-da, and I told him let him upstairs. He came in my room, he opened the door, and I'm laying down. He was like, bro, I want you to flip something for me.

This is a cracket. I mean, a full-flesh crack head. But he goes still meat out the store to trade for crack. Okay. So I keep our freezer full. So, people, I mean, this motherfucker just opened his jacket

and $26,000 falls on the floor. Yeah, like the $5,000 and the $5,000 on it, da-da-da-da. He wanted me to flip the 26th grade. So in my mind, fuck this father will get this money from. I don't get a fuck. Right. You know, give me the money.

He wanted you to invest it. Put it to work. Put it to work. Okay. So what you do? Yeah. So, yeah, that started the new era, new world. So go into it.

What'd you do? What'd you do? Well, I don't know. I told you. I don't know who got that solid shit. Let me tell you some weird shit, bro. I don't know who got the solid shit. I don't know where to get a bird from and da-da-da-da.

I'm young, you feel me? But I'm going to find it. I go to New York with my friend. Bro, I don't, you know, everybody said, go to New York? You can't just go to New York and find no fucking drugs like that. You feel me? Well, I did some weird show. I went to the Trump Towers.

Like people sitting in there, everything, asking for, and I got it. Hold on. I got it. I don't know. That's what is weird. I got it. You got $26,000 on you. You're how old, 18?

Now, I was probably like 16. You went to the Trump Towers in Manhattan. And I swear everybody in there was with this band, too. It seemed like the people, the old people watching the newspaper, everything. They're sitting watching this for a while. He left for sitting for like 30 minutes. Oh, you went there. A white man.

Asking for a plug? Yo. Yeah. He's young and dumb. But I found it. Wow. Yeah. Wow.

I mean, that's how much Coke was in. Yeah, I found it. That's the weird shit. I came back and I didn't, you know, I'm not a weight seller yet. So, motherfucker, I'm going to get my own, but we're going to break this whole bitch down. You got a key? You got a whole one? Yeah, I got a whole one.

How much was it? I think I paid like 20 something. Like, whatever I paid, I didn't go back to them again. Right. Because I figured out shit after I got with a Jamaican dude. But the whole thing, we broke that bitch down, though. All right. You're saying, I'm not a weight seller yet.

So, I don't get for how long you'll take it. We're going to rock this shit. You feel me? I just had the big shit. And you doubled your money? Yeah. Hell yeah. So now you're on.

Yeah, but I still don't know how to cook yet. Okay. I ain't bump into my homeboy K yet. Okay. So you were just like basically selling cocaine. Right. You took that key and then just made like little dimes, tens, 20s, whatever. I got somebody to fucking you then.

Okay. So you had to get somebody else to do it. I got you. I got you. Wow. That's insane. So you got it from like a corporate white guy. Yeah.

In fucking at the Trump Tower. It's just me thinking about it now. It's like crazy. You feel it? It's just to go do some dumb shit like that. Wow. Yeah. Yeah.

So wow. Now young Tony's. you got the weight. You got the juice. Yeah, got the juice. I'm coming up a little bit. Yeah. I'm different.

Yeah. So at this time, when I got that little stain, that little change, I bump it to Kay. Who's Kay? Kay, it's my homeboy. Like, he was a guy that was with me when I got into my situation. But he passed away. Rest of the piece, Kevin. And he was your homeboy from the neighborhood?

No, he was from Norfolk. Okay. You know, they look at us a little softer, but it was from Norfolk. Really, Kay was my way into that whole Norfolk world. Hmm. And I met him through the music shit because he was Mike Etheridge manager, and him and Farrell used to be in a group together. Oh, he was an artist.

Mike was an artist. Okay. He went solo out of Farrell and him group. He was with Ferrell and him the whole entire time. He just, when he got with Teddy, Teddy's like, oh, I need you go solo. Portland him, got him a deal with Capaldum. got him a deal with Capitol Records.

Mike had the money first, the crib. Damn. Bad move. Yeah. Didn't work out so well long-term. But so Kay was managing that guy. Yeah. Now, was he primarily, and I noticed that that was, there's a lot of crossover in that era with music managers who are also selling drugs in a big way, like GZ for example. Oh, no. Kay had it.

Kay had it. Yeah. Kay had it. Andy was young. Young as a bitch. Right. It was so crazy to me. You thought this was your run club era. Turns out it was more of a thinking about run club era. The good news? Someone's marathon training is about to start.

Sell your workout gear on Deepop. Just snap a few photos and we'll take care of the rest. They get their race day fit and you get a payout for trying. Someone on Deepop wants what you've got. Start selling now. Deepop. Taste recognizes taste. You know, I knew what we was doing in the street in Virginia Beach,

so you come around some other young guys that's doing it, you know, you just, oh, we all get money, da-da-da, nah, his money was different. Kay, like, when I first met him, he was, like, in a rental car, so I didn't know what he really had or whatever, you know. We just blink, cool, got the bitches. I thought what the bitches, you got me. And he used to scum. he just come pick me up and stuff

and we're just driving there like, yo bro, tomorrow, get my call. Just shot tomorrow. He had a car, the infinity, but it just came out that year. Like, my fucking spaceship. You feel me? Then he had gold adonis on it. Pele, Pelea-Pellie jacket

was cream with gold studs. You know, it was different. You feel me? And it's way back in nine, you know what I mean? I got shot in 95, so this was way before there. Right. Right. So did you let him know that you now had brick money? No, he was, you know, people that hustle, bro, they watch each, you watch each other, bro.

You know, just as well as with him. I'm like, bro, I need to get what you, you, feel me. I don't know what you got. I didn't know what he had at the time or whatever, but yeah. What was his secret? Did he have the plug? Did he have, like, a New York plug? He was messing with people in our, it's people in our town that can feed you, bro. Shampoo hat plugs in our town, you feel you, me. And still give you that price that you need to, like, really, you know, get customers? Probably not that. But if you don't know no better, you're going to take that thing and that's what it is, you feel?

Yeah, but you now, you're going to New York and you're getting it to where you could feed the other dealers. Yeah, but if you're getting it from home, it was a time when they just throw it to you, get it front of it, you feel me. Right. And they take a point or two. Yeah, you get that shit fronted. Right. And then like getting it fronted it. That's dangerous, though.

You fuck it up. You ain't thinking about fucking up, though. Yeah. Yeah. At all. You ain't thinking about fucking up. You got to be, you got to, you got to know how to move. They can't let everybody know where your shit at and shit.

Somebody can come back and get it. If you're not a move, you know, you can survive with it. Did your grandmother know you were stashing work at her house? No. Shit, shit, no. No. But see, my eye. My aunt is handicapped.

So I knew she didn't leave the house. You feel me? Right. So I know it's always watched. Sure. Sure. Yeah. Yeah.

That's a good move. You put it under a wheelchair. Yeah. It's always watched. How much weight would you keep at your granny's house? She, everything. See, I was a... How much is that?

I need specifics out of you. I mean, at the time, I was probably like a bird or whatever. Okay. But everything is. Anything I had, I kept it there, though, because I was always scared, like, somebody can come in my house, time my mama up or something like that, you feel like me? Right. So I tried to get away far as possible from that type stuff. Right.

I understood it because I was in the street. I understood how it moved and how people think. I was on the other side of that fence. You feel me? Right. They didn't know it. So when you made your second trip, you sold out this brick that you got, and then you go back, you're, you know. You found a plug, a Jamaican plug, you said?

Yeah. Yeah, one of my people's family members. Up in New York. And when I got some, it was like what made me leave him alone was I thought that he gave me some bad stuff one time. Like it melted or some shit. But really, my somebody else, my sister baby dad, swapped some shit out. And he knew what my stash was at.

And swapped some shit out of there. So I just stopped messing with them. Then some kind of way I just, you know, I started dealing with Kay. So Kay was your plug? Yeah. Okay. So he was your plug and he taught you how to cook. Yeah.

Okay. So tell us a secret. I'm sure a couple of cooks watching this are going to appreciate it. What was your, how do you cook crack, dude? How do you mix it and make sure it cooks in a whole? ass baking pan. Shit, I didn't use water. If I use water, I'm going to use it like it's butter.

Like just to wet the pan. Because that's all the Coke need is a little baby drop of water to start doing that foam and shit. Once it does it just start melting into liquid. Right, right, right. Yeah, that's all I did. So I ain't had to worry about it. I'm not putting no water in.

So whatever I'm putting in there is staying and going in there. I see. So you're just lining the pan, bottom of the panel with water? Not even a lot of water. Probably on to my life. For real, just for it. It just, like your finger drops.

I just need a little bit of the Coke to do that foamy shit. Once it do that little bubbly, foamy shit, the bottom of it's going to start melting. And once that melt, it just do a little chain reaction with all the rest of it. Okay. So you're just using those drops of water to make the chemicals that you're mixing it with absorb. So it'll mix up and then lock up. What kind of, what cut do you put in there? I was using bake.

Just baking soda? Bacon soda. It's that simple. Simple. Real simple. Because it's simple. Weighing it up. And then if you want to make a good batch, you want to make good crack.

You have to stay there and just keep stirring it. You know, make sure they blend into there real good. You can't have it set. How many grams of baking soda for every gram? Man, if I had, if I was cooking. Well, whatever they wanted in it, say if I had a brick or whatever, whatever they want it in it, I'm going to put the same amount. I'm going to have it, and I might not have it'll put it all in there one time.

So I'm going to have it while it's melting, like some of it. I'm going to just keep dumping more as is melting, but I got to keep staring it because you know the shit gets arque with it. Right. So I keep staring it, and then I keep dumping it until I get it all in there, and then I just keep stirring it like this until it get real creamy or whatever. And then it'll just start locking up right in my face and turn into a big sheet as a sheet. And this is a stove top.

I'm not doing in the oven. Obviously, you can't get, yeah, you can't stir. I don't microwave all kinds of shit. But no, I don't understand because of how y'all stirring it up, you feel me? And then so your customers, we're jumping ahead a little bit, but when your customers would say, hey, here's a key, here's 36 ounces, bring me back 45. And then you would put on however much baking soda that took to be able to bring back 45 of crap. Right, right. So give us an example.

How do you make, how much baking soda? soda is required to bring back nine extra ounces off of a brick. Like if you want, you got 36 ounces of soft, how much baking soda do you need to make 45 ounces of hard? Shit, the same amount, whatever that weighs, that got away. Both of them got a way that exact same. What the hell are you talking about? The coat.

I don't get it. Okay. Say if you got, like I say, if you got an ounce, right, 28 grams, this got to be 28 grams. Got it, got it. Okay. You feel I? Literally. Just one to one. Right. One to one. But you just don't put it all in there at the first time. I see. So you...

But a little bit first let it wipe. When it melts, then start throwing in it. I see. Perfect. So, but essentially, you're just, all you got to do is way out. Yeah, nine ounces. Bring you back nine. Nine ounces of bacon soda. There you go. And then you separate it. Separate it. If I were credit, I could, because I don't let them in the kitchen with me. They sit in the living room. How long I give them back what they ask for? So if I'm great, I could take two ounces of powder and just.

just throw it in a cabinet and put an extra two ounces of bake on it. How would you know? Of course not. You wouldn't. You wouldn't. So that became your primary source of income? Was cooking for other people? Yeah, I was cooking for like three other people. It was a time like a whole year and a half. I didn't have to buy coke because I'm keep cooking is back to back. Right. And then you were paid in cocaine too, right? And I just shift it out. my folks. Oh, that's what a good deal. It was a great deal. And you seem, you seem passionate about this. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we, I was somebody else on Newport News side that used to cook to. We used to talk about, I cook with a fork. I'm like, nah, I'm just going to go through the hose, you know, my butter knife.

So you started with a butter knife? Yeah, because, you know, that's how I stir my butter, I didn't use a fork. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Did you wear, like, an apron? No, he, that's what he used to say. He did. That's what so funny. Like, we used to talk about shit like that. But actually, did you cover your face up at all? Nah. You must have... Were you getting high? I'm thinking it was no high shit from that, bro.

I ain't known nothing about that, but I don't think I'll get high from that shit like that. Well, let's see. Were you sweating? You ever done cocaine? No, never. So I got shot in my head, so I only can breathe out on one side of my shit real good. So I can play with it, close that other mouth, fuck up. You feel?

But I mean, as a kid before you got shot, it was... Nah. It was already a taboo. You don't touch this shit that we see. So, yeah. Yeah. That's one of the saddest things when a guy who's like on in the game... It made me feel like that's why I...

I'm questioning myself, like, why you never tried it or whatever? I know it's the shot. I'm glad. Not to say I'm glad I got shot, but, you know what I mean? Yeah. I mean, well, I think one of the saddest things in the game is when a guy's on, he's fucking killing it, and then he gets hooked on his own shit. Yeah, I know of some.

And there's something that I used to look up to, though, like... Yeah. And I'd be like, wow. Damn. Yeah. That shit's crazy. So you become the hood chef. How much work are you cooking?

What's the demand like your customers? Like how much do you find yourself? How many bricks are you cooking every week? I mean, like, I told you it was three different people. So they were knocking through their shit, especially if there's a drought, the shit can go. So I know if it's a drug, I know you're coming right back. So this is like a full-time thing.

Yeah, they couldn't do it. They're in the living room. Right. And how long does it take to cook one bird? I don't know. Once that shit starts melting like butter, you know what I'm saying? It is what it is. Like a couple hours?

No, I don't really take that long. Okay. I don't really take that long. I say like an hour I can have everything, right? So would you get a call or a page? Like, Tony, I need you. I need you. Yeah.

Like hurry up. Or I'll be warned ahead of time. I'll be out there tomorrow, you know. Mm-hmm. Like, it would be some people my sister might know or somebody like that. Right. You know, she'll bring them to me. Right.

And what was your, what was your price? Four ounces, two ounces? Four and a half. Wow. It's just a big eight. Yeah, big eight. Okay. I always knew I could touch it twice and turn it to a Nina.

Right. And so off a four and a half, what do you sell that for? I'm still going to sell mine for like a G or an ounce. Yeah. Okay. So you make four and a half of five Gs just for cooking up one brick. And then how many bricks would you cook in a normal? normal session. Would you cook multiple? Well, shit. I sat with, I sat with Jeezie one time.

We cooked probably like 10. Bro, this, bro, I, I'd have been around Jezzy and he had 20 bricks of soft inside the career, but we just in the kitchen, just, and that motherfucker just going crazy. Yeah. Hitting it. Hit it. Yeah. And imagine how much stuff be like on the outside of it. Well, I was going to ask you that. The pan is, it'd be like an ounce or two of just shit around outside the pan, the spoon. And is that stuff? Can you sell that too? Is that garbage?

It's good. It's the same work. It just made a splash on something, you know? Wow. I mean, this is the stuff of like rap songs. And you hear it from an outsider's perspective. Like I grew up listening to hip hop and I'm like, there's no fucking way. Yeah, yeah.

There's no fucking way that people get paid to everybody could cook their own crack. There's no hood chef. There's nobody cooking 20 bricks of soft powder into crack. But you're like. Yeah. Yeah. Today's episode is sponsored by Rocket Money. Rocket Money is a personal finance app that helps you find and cancel your unwanted subscriptions,

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your cooking and your swag, but do you think other artists got inspired by your life and used it in their own wraps? No, I really don't know too many other. You know, me, once I lock into a crew, that's my crew. Yeah. You know, even when I was growing up with drugs, like, I wouldn't be caught up in a lot of people's crews because I don't want to get caught up in their indictments or something.

Yeah. Like, when I was shampoo, that's my crew. Yeah. When they died, Gizi, my crew. When they died, Gizi, my crew. And the thing about Gizi, K was his supplier, too. You feel me? So once he died, Gizi rose.

I see. Did Gizi take Kevin K's plug after Kevin died or he had his own? Yeah, he had his own. Who do you think was the biggest dealer out of all you guys? No, no, no, no, I'm talking about in high. I'm talking about like throughout the time. Yeah, yeah. Gizi.

You think Gizi, he was the biggest one. Yeah. Right, right. I mean, that guy had. No, Gizi. He was getting it every which way. Yeah. Yeah.

He was getting into the panama. Yeah. You're touching you around different people, you feel me? Right. Shampoo was alive. And shampoo was alive. It would have been holding other story?

Would he have robbed Gizi? Nah, no, no, no, no. No, he was, Jesus got food from Pouta. Yeah, wow. This is great. So you're making a lot of money. Yeah. You're making a lot of money.

Yeah, when Farrell was going to fucking Jacob buying jury and shit, I'm buying my own, paying my own money out, my pocket. All my errands shit from Jacob. Right. How was Farrell? So were you cooking when Farrell was growing his career? Like when in Farrell... I didn't talk about none of this shit when I was around them either, though. You feel me? I don't even... I wasn't looking at it like that. I was just doing my shit. I come over here. You know what I mean? It was just two different worlds.

So what was Farrell doing, though? He had Jacob the jeweler money. Was he already blowing up? This is when he did like Super Thug and, oh, no, and... Okay. You know what I mean? For the North. Right. Around that time. Jiggy, Mace. Right. So it's like late 90s, early 2000 shit.

Right after the, um, the, um, rump shaker. Yep. You know, him in that Teddy Riley situation, Mm-hmm. Shit slowed up for a little while, you know, whatever happened. Mm-hmm. And, um, he had started, SWV game another chance.

And he had, did a SSWW to V. That's the next joint he did after the, okay. The rump shaker. Uh-huh. And after that, he bumped into the, Rob, and Rob was, grew up with Norie and plugged him, and he did Super Thun, and then that got got a good enough to a friend right there.

Right. And that, that track was huge. That track was huge. And so now he's with, uh, that Asian dude and they had nerd. He always been with Chad. Oh, really? He always been with Chad from day one. Chad knew how to play every instrument.

So Chad is like this Asian musician. Was he also kicking it with your crew? I mean, not. Chad ain't really. hang out with it. Like, he wasn't the type to go buy a lot of jury and all that. You know how Asian people are? Yeah, the Asian family.

Yeah, they're good with their money. Right. They're selling you. Like, say if him and Farrell's making the same as that money, right? Chad ain't buy a lot of shit because, you know how the black world, you want cars, the jury. Yeah, he got to show off. He ain't had to do all that.

He didn't doing all that. Yeah, the Asians sell you the shit for you guys to show off. Now, but was he in the, was he kicking it coming around with like, you know, the hood dudes, like you guys. No, no, no, no. He didn't really get down like that. He was uncomfortable. No, I mean, I hung around the job, but not being around.

The whole crew. Yeah. Because, you know, I know Farrell, I think Jeasy was telling his stories, like you guys would be, damn near getting in shootouts and at clubs, and Farrell would be there. I was, I was at a club in Virginia when was younger, and it's these guys on the other side of the water, and they run that side of the water, like,

and they was young, like 17, 700,000, you know. But they was killers. But they walked, we went to a club on the other side of the order, and I was with Farrell and, you know, everybody from my side of the water, everybody, like all the big drug dealers, everybody was all over that side because I think Look Kim was there or somebody. Low Kim. Yeah, but the dude on that side that's like that run that side,

the young boy I'm telling you about, And this way back in early 90, driving land cruises and shit like that, you know, when those shit was the shit. He walks up and says, Farrell was the guy that robbed him. And, you know, all the drug dealers from himself, like, you know, we know what Farrell do. So we're like, nah, this dude do music, bro. He ain't, you got the wrong guy. This motherfucker, he, no, this is the guy.

Yeah, it was that serious. Yeah, it was that serious. Wow. Like, we couldn't even convince him that Farrell ain't rob him. And this the head dude on that side. And we're on their side of the water. They come in the club like 30 deep. And you see guns on them and everything.

They just walk out the club so we know they outside. Whoa. It was crazy. The part of you think maybe Farrell did rob this motherfucker? Nah, I know. He ain't robbed. Well, hell no, bro. Like, hell no.

Do you think they were just doing that to start some shit? No, I know that. I know. No, I'm saying, do you think that guy just said that to kick up some shit with you guys? No, because I know him. Like after the situation, the guy that was doing the shit, the head dude, used to go with Shampoo's sister. So it was like they could talk. Like I knew the dude kind of, you feel me?

Samara was just mistaken identity or some shit. Who knows? It was super lead at. Okay. So what happened? You guys bucked it out? No, we all just left after that. And there's only one way to get back to our side.

Like you got to go across this bridge. to get back to our side of the water. Because we're on that side of the water. Chesapeake Bay Bridge? They set up around that bridge and just start shooting a lot of cars right there. Yeah. But they hit his shampoo plug and the leg through his car. Our head dude on our side.

Wow. You guys shoot back? This is, you know, say we're back on our side. We hear, oh, you, such and such, just got hitting in his leg. coming across the bridge. And we knew that was the, y'all just, y'all can never come back on the side of water

having your life again. Wow, that's wild. Because once he put it out, it's over with. Right. But once they found out who they shot, it was please cop like a motherfucker like, bro, I'm gonna bring them to you. Hmm.

That type of shit. So did your crew get retaliation for that? Well, shampoo was like enforcement with Pete, with the guy that got hit. And they got a call that one of the guy friends was inside the restaurant sitting with a girl at the table. So shampoo and the guy walks into the restaurant, but the dude flipped the table over and ran. They left the girl in the junk.

I know the dude, too. Like, everybody cool now. Yeah, of course. But, yeah. Even at that time, shampoo got it squashed and had it that. that the guy from the other side of the water that runs the other side to squash it and sit with

the duty shot in his leg and they got it cleared all. And he bought the same guy to studio shampoo and talked to Farrell. And they squashed it and got that thing. They apologized to Farrell. Yeah. Yeah. They squashed it. So everything got cool.

And every time we used to go to like All Star Week and C-I-W-A, all that shit. Anytime it came up, source awards. Yeah. But when we move, all the big-time drug deserts from our area always go. So when we go out of town, we all together. Hmm.

Even though we don't be together at home. Right. But when we're out of town, we're together. You feel me? Yeah. So we all used to hang together. I'm talking about the other dude. Like, all us used to hang together.

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Yeah, we're still flowing. Are you his entourage now, kind of? Yeah, exactly. Wow. His entourage going puffy parties. Yeah, no, no, none of that crazy shit. I ain't seen none of that. You didn't pass out?

Yeah, I've been to a puffy party with Pharrell in New York. Tell us about a puffy party. Those banging, right? Yeah, they had, and when I was, oh, gosh, killing people. When I was in there, this rapper brother, he had, like, a bag of shake of e-pills. They want no pills like their shape. Yeah. They had probably, like, 40 bottles of crystal.

Just dumping it in the bottles. So these dumb-ass bitches, everybody want to be greedy, walking around with their cups yeah yeah yeah so whole party's on heat but but but you was told that it was e and the jello shots and shit like that that it was given out in there so that shit's fun man say what you wanted a good time bro let me tell you some real shit and I didn't know I went I used to dance to and videos and stuff for all you so so I went to LA one time and you know Farrell met me up there like two days later I went to LA and just I was

hanging out with like Hyde Williams until Farrell got up there, whatever. We went to Babyface Studio. So while I'm in Babyface Studio, Mara Farrie Wals in there, and I see her feet. I'm like, what the fuck? You know, they were perfect. And we happened to go out that night. I'm just with Farrell up there by myself.

We go out with Maraicay Carrey in the limo, but when we get to this building, it's like a little brick shit. And I hear the commercials saying, everybody can get in, but you, I get inside the party and shit. I'm dancing, you know. You know, jam, you know, me being pretty. I look at Farrell face. It's like he was getting a little man.

So I'm like, what's? He's like, yo, that's me, Chaggar's wife. But this bitch throwing it to me, though. You feel me? Bro, I met Hugh Heffner's birthday party. All the girls, I didn't know still, but all the, I see a whole bunch of girls come out in neck of the chair. I still don't know where I'm at, though.

And they all would just walk by one by one, just kissed them in his mouth. And I'm looking amazing because, you know, I'm in that pimp shit big. I'm like this motherfucker the coolest old dude of the world. Yeah, I was at Hugh Hamlet's a birthday party. Wow, that's how big Farrell got overnight.

But I was with Farrell when he first met Lenny Kravitz. They first both of them had the little teeny small-ass Fred Siegel t-shirts on $700 t-shirt, a little teenage-ass t-shirts. And both of them, I was with him when he first met Lenny Kravitz. Wow. Wow. Grammy wore his party.

That's wild. Yeah, I was doing all this shit. Early teenage years, though. And you're still. Going back to Virginia. And I go straight back to the hoods and get money. That's why I... Straight back to the kitchen.

I mean, all that. Wow. Straight back to how I got so fat. Because people look at like Farrell was taking care of us, we're getting our own money. Everybody was getting our own money. Well, it was the same with the clips. You know, GZ's managing them at a certain point.

And he's, meanwhile, he's moving tons of weed, 100 bricks at a time. Crazy. Yeah. It's such a fascinating. And this is why this whole area, this whole Virginia area is so fascinated because on the one hand,

you have this guy, Farrell, who to the outside world is like the softest, light skin, pretty dude making alternative pop music. But he's homies with big basketball jersey wearing crack dealing motherfuckers that are making videos outside the projects, grinding. You know what I mean? It's such a creative place where,

where the drug dealing overlaps with the creativity and the music. But you guys are all talented at whatever you're doing, whether it's cooking crack or making beats. You know I said that though? Like even as far as the people God put me around, like even for real, everybody was like rose.

You feel me? Like at another level of their life, even the drug dealers, I'm around. They wasn't regular. You feel what I'm saying? So you always put me around different type of people. The killers them around ain't regular. Yeah.

So it became a time that like, you know, if people know you dealing that type stuff, your name will pop up and shit that don't even got nothing to do with you. You feel me? My name pops up and shit that ain't got nothing to do with me. Like indictments or murders? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm talking about street on, was. Just street, yeah, that's street type shit, you feel me?

and it became times like I just wear the shit I might run it to the nigger that say I did it and I see him in the club and I just gonna eye screw him until he get past me you feel me

knowing I didn't do it though maybe I did do that shit but no they know I they know I'm close around to some motherfuck I'm not gonna say oh da da da did it you feel me

they know I'm around the motherfuckers that's doing it you feel me mm-hmm like for instance I got home boys that might be, now I don't want nobody to backtrack on none of my homeboys. I had fuck niggas around me that try to backtrack on my homeboys or something like that,

you feel me? And I don't approve to that type stuff. For instance, like, you got people out here that, what we call them, people that wait for you to leave your house. What do they call them, like, cat burglars? Yeah. You feel me? Then you got motherfuckers out here that if somebody say

is in there, I'll get a fuck, it's coming out of there. No, I'm talking about it's coming out of there. However, they got to do it, torture, whatever. I know crews, I know all them crews. Right. You feel me? But deep down the side,

to somebody else, they might seem like a menace or something, but I know they saw side. You feel I mean? Like, I know the side of them that I don't even see that bad side. Like, they just, surviving. They just do what they got to do to survive. Yeah. In the most sense. Of course. Now, did you see as times going on, are you seeing the guys that you're cooking for, the dealers?

Do you see them getting bigger and bigger and bigger? Yeah, I've seen Jeezzy Rice. Yeah. What? Yeah, I seen Jeezerrise. I've seen all of them rise, see, but they give you credit. The other ones are all dead. How about that? All of them did. Murdered. Yeah, murdered. One of them got murdered. They say the police, it was some police. pulled them over da-da-da-da-da-da-da New York. Yeah, some real shit. Wow.

These were some big motherfuckers, though, too. They were, like, dealing with heroin and shit like that, just trying to cook world. Did you ever deal with heroin? Nah, scared. Came with too much. Like, I was around K at the early time.

Like, he played with it a little bit. I might been over there, help him put shit together and shit, but I never would go out and say another around. No. Yeah. That's, that's... It was too much, bro.

It's a dual business, yeah. It's too much. You got to watch too much. The motherfuckers do it. They got to have it. They take your TV, everything. They take it from their mama, so imagine what they do to you. Right, of course.

Of course. Now, when the drought hit, how did the stretching of the Coke, how did that elevate? Like, what would people start asking for to come back? See, when there's a drought and nobody got no Coke, you got lower-level dealers there's like got, like, got motherfuckker keep calling their phone, but they got nothing. They need something to give them. They need something to give them. So you might have somebody to say, oh, I got these for $1,000. I got these for $500. Now, the ones, and they'll go quicker, believe it or not. The $500 ones. Right. Remember I said double? Yeah. Now let's go three times. Yeah. So instead of... 500 to $500, I've seen the big dude that used to hit Poo off, do that and stand at 7-11, often it's like water in a drop. Yeah. Yeah. So big. dealers would go down to hand-to-hand sales if there wasn't a lot of product around.

Right. And then if somebody brought you a bird in the drought, they're not asking for an extra nine. They're asking for an extra 18. Yeah, they want, you know, it's going to be high as a bitch. It's going to be, it's going to be like, bitch, it was just a thousand. You know what I mean? And you go, in your mind, you can be like, man, the thousand was the goodest price ever you have.

Hey, you feel me? Because motherfuckers product went from a thousand. I've for 15 an onion. You feel me? Crazy. That shit don't sound right, bro. No. And now they have.

And if you don't know how to cook, oh, no. I can't see it. Yeah. That don't sound right. And I remember them days. How did nobody else figure out how to cook like you? That's, that's like you said, it was some chemistry shit in your brain because who else is going to take a chance and try that?

Why are you thinking about that? If you don't know nobody getting any of bird, you feel, me? Yeah, and really the only difference is that you didn't put any water in it and you cooked it in a pan rather than a pyrex. Right. And I'd rather do it than, like, say you got you the powder man and you put in like taking 21 grams and putting like seven grams on it or something. You feel me? And making an onion, they cook that shit in water. That whole seven coming out and they're getting 21 bag and they mad at you.

Right, right. But they get it to me, I wouldn't never know what you put in that bitch. Even if you gave me what you did for him and said, Tony, cook this up for him for what they won't say. You know what I mean? Yeah. They would never know it was in there. And you didn't care about the quality of the Coke? Yeah.

Or did you? You make the quality, the quality, the quality, don't you. Right. But the powder that was brought to you, like, do you think it was usually good? Yeah. I know which one's good than it was a take, like that fiscale shit, that shiny shit, that yellow Coke. Right. That shit, that shit, it'll be what it is.

but that yellow and that fish scale, it'll take. So that's how you told the difference because you didn't use Coke, you didn't try it. So you just, you buy the color of it. And obviously, with the fish scale, it's rocked up and it cracks open. Yeah. Yeah, I can tell you've got a real passion for this.

It's too bad. It's not. I didn't know passion. I don't hustle. You're like the Anthony Bourdain of cooking cooking Coke. I was a little more cockier when I was young. Did your parent, your father, yeah, when you blew up like this,

What did your father think? Did he know? They knew I was hustling the whole time. They knew. Nobody knew what I was playing with. Nobody knew what I was really doing in the streets. They didn't know about the bad parts. None of that type of stuff.

To everybody in my family, I'm the good kid, you know. The kid that's on TV dancing and shit like that. You feel me? Right. Yeah. Right. Except for your disabled aunt. Yeah, she knew.

Yeah. What's she going to do about it? Yeah. She'd do everything. Huh. Did your family use it all? Did you have my pops did? He was smoking crack.

He was a smoker? Yeah, at one time, he was. He got over it. Did you serve any of your, did any direct family members actually sell drugs and bring it to you to cook? No, because my cousins and stuff, they all hustle, but they was all in different neighborhoods and stuff.

They take it away, think they can, you know, everybody feels like they can cook. Right. Everybody, you know, however they're doing it, they're thinking they're best cooks or whatever. But, you know, cooking it raw through the water, you know what I'm saying? It's that type shit. I let them rock out. And then Poo, what year did Shampoo leave us?

Poo, Poo knew how to cook. A Poo got killed in 2000. No, night that it was great return in 2009, it was December or something. And what happened? What were the circumstances? Well, we get a call. I'm saying that, you know, they, like, did him in kind of bad, you know, like, torturing them, super torching them.

I don't really want to go in on the, you know, like, they're super torsion them. Like, broke his bones, all kind of stuff. Tied them up. But he always told us he would never tell nobody where his money at because he already knew whoever kidnapped me or get me, they're going to kill me because they know I'm going to kill their whole family. He always said that to us. And it was just crazy that he stood on all that.

But the night before that, I know he just got like 30 bricks. He had like two compressors in his crib. So when they went to the spot after he died, somebody had took like a brick and just swung it all over the floor in the house and took the rest of the work. And, you know what I mean? Wow. And I know he had left a large amount of money inside of storage.

And, you know. Tim's supposed to got it or whatever, but I don't know the truth on all of that, but hopefully the family got it. Nah, I heard he shifts some money

to his poo wife, but. Oh, the guy who actually did it? No, poo storage and stuff was in Tim's name.

I see. Okay. So, wow, that's, so Shampoo knew that his time was coming. Like,

to let you guys know, hey, if they, if they kidnapped me, I'm dying, but I'll never, let them know where the money's at. So just...

I didn't look at that like he knew that time was coming with that. But I think he prophesized it. To know that he had done so much dirt that he had ops that would do that to him, it's almost like... I just know how cautious he was.

Like, if we ride into his house, he's going to double that motherfucker twice before he'd go part. Right. Just to make sure he ain't about following him. Mm-hmm. If you're riding in the car beside us, you're white.

You're riding in the car beside us and you got your hand out the window like this. You hear me? Yeah. He said, oh, look, he said I'm going down. For real, that's how paranoid. Fair enough. Yeah.

With good reason. With your hand out of the window like this and your thumb going down. He'll say, look, he just said I'm going down. For real, he was paranoid like that, bro. Well, then how did these guys get the drop on them? I said, we still don't know. To this day.

But what I do know is his mom called him for $100. and he asked somebody for $100 so he get home that morning, she said, in the car with him. So nobody never came up, say, oh, I was riding with food at that day. And he don't just ride with anybody. So it had to be one of us, not me, but, you know, somebody in the crew. Of course.

That led him to where he, whoever got him. Oh, maybe not on purpose, though. They did it on purpose. Somebody probably paid them to do it. And you never had a suspicion of who that might be? No, I'm starting to hear little things, but nah. Hmm. Hmm.

That is crazy. That kind of plotting. So Cruz would just, would investigate like they were detectives. It was homework, bro. That's what they call it, doing homework. They might don't hit you that day. They might sit outside your house and watching you and see you leave and everything. They might hit you a week later.

Every day they're outside your house, though. Right. You feel me? Right. Every day. Straight up. Sitting up watching. Yeah, every move.

Detective work. Yeah. Wow. To me, that is really some southern shit. Yeah, yeah. I know stuff like that happened, you know, in the height of the crack years in Harlem and probably L.A., but to me, that kind of, that kind of violence really manifests itself in the South. And Virginia technically is the South, you know, so.

Top of the South, bottom of the East. Yeah. Yeah. The old South, they called it in Annabellum Times. Did that affect you? That hurt when he... Yeah, man. That hurt.

Because you don't know who did it. And you know somebody around us ain't right. And then I'm inside his crib when he died. We had a funeral or whatever. You just listen to him to tell him about his stories and who you think it is. You know, my mind going crazy. Like, bro, I think you did it. You feel it.

But for real talk. Like, even after that, certain two guys had a whole bunch of fucking work all of a sudden. You feel it? And I'm like, something ain't right. Why y'all ain't come to me with some work? You feel me? Right. Would you have gone and if you found out who it was,

would you have gone and retaliated, do you think? In that era, it would have happened. Yeah. Shit, all I had to say it to certain people. Right. Did you have the stomach for the murder game? Because you're such an affable... I had a stomach for everything.

Like you could have done it? Yeah. I had a stomach for everything. I had a stomach. I feel like... I was like a a lion, like even that transport and shit, bro, I would not fucking take a fucking nothing nowhere.

You feel it? Like now. But then I was like, I just felt like I won't scare to nothing. Did you keep something on you? Always. No, always. I even got, when I told you, I had no,

I got no felonism, so I had a concealed license shit. Me and pushing when it took the class. together. Set in the class together. He still got his license right now to the day. You guys went and took a firearm class. You and the world famous push a tea. So you could carry legally. We got actually got our cars together. Okay. You're cooking 20 birds sometimes. Like were you worried about getting home invaded and kidnapped? I mean, that's, how did you protect yourself? Did you, did you move kitchens? Who was going to, who was going to? Well, yeah, because

Some niggas I was cool with, I knew they would do it But you got to know how to move You can't let everybody know where you're at Because I knew how I'd go You know, I was a wolf How did you pick where you were going to cook? Did you move spots?

No, my sister house My sister house Because it was like What I would call A safe grounds for them because they knew her. Right. You feel me?

Like, they probably wouldn't have felt safe out somewhere else, thinking I'm going to have someone to come in there or something. You know what I felt safe with my sister. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Did you have any muscle looking out? I guess whoever's cooking for you is... No, it's just like somebody saying,

did we have muscle looking out when we went up to New York? That time I got hit it. You feel me? So I connect. You feel me? So you're lucky, I mean, you're lucky. Yeah. Because you were handling some sensitive material, you know?

Right. Wow. Right. Just nobody knows. You just don't talk. Okay, so around this time, you start to go up to New York to pick up, you know, real weight, multiple units at a time. Why did you deviate from your original business model, which was just cooking for other people? Why did you decide you wanted to go, you know, have your own work?

I don't know. I was just looking to grow. Just, you know, everybody is about that month. money. Yeah. It was coming across all kind of money from all different kind of ways. And you got to make it work. You know, I'm trying to, you know, leave shit out here for my kids. And that's the biggest thing with me. Like, out of all of this street stuff, that music shit, my biggest regret is the time that I was away from my daughter and my son. You know, it's like the sacrifices I made in such sense.

And, you know, that's the only thing that really bothers me. but other than that, you know, we're just trying to survive and make it. And we always just felt like we were just the one, just the one, always. You know, that just the one. So, but I mean, you're making tens of thousands of dollars a week just cooking for other people. So why did you think, okay, if I got to go get a unit in New York for 18 and I could sell it for 30, you know, look, you were just trying to expand. I get that. Yeah.

And for real, on this type, what you're saying, like, Kay kind of led that, like, talking to, you know, and our connect we had met through Gangstar, the rapper. Okay, you go into that. This is fascinating. Like, Kay used to take care of Little Dad, Gangstar, his group, the group home. Oh. So, by us being cool with them, Kay met the plug. Okay, so Gangstar. All this music industry shit, too, still, you feel?

Right. Yeah, and especially in this era, the music and the streets were side by side. They were married, you know? You want to know some weird, crazy shit, right? And even then, I don't just blame him, but because I just, because I know him. But one day, Farrell called me and told me to come to the studio. I goes to the fucking studio and gang stars in there. He's working on this years after I've been shot the fuck up, knowing.

Who they, he filled with all friends. Okay, wow. So, hold on. I don't want to skip ahead, but. He always think he can min shit. Farrell. Yeah, like, I don't know what it was. Well, because he's not of, he's, he was around the streets, but he's not of the streets.

Yeah, but I never wanted to be around that type. You know. No, well, he didn't have to bear the scars of prison or death or being shot. So that's probably why. But when you say gangstar, you mean guru and premier? Guru. Guru. Okay, guru.

your friend, your co-de, your associate, he had a co-connect that was introduced to him by the late guru of Gangstar? Yeah, guru, a little dab guru, his group. Okay. And Kay used to take care of them. Like, you know. Yeah.

And they're out of Queens, New York. Queens, New York. You guys went up there and you caught from him the first time successfully. Yeah. What did you guys? No, not the first time. A lot of them.

of times. Like, we're dealing with him for a while, like a year. Okay. And what kind of weight would you bring back? Eight, ten, you know, but it was paid for on our side, and not thrown. Yeah. But the whole thing is, I'm going to get back to that guru thing with Ferrell. Imagine somebody to call you to the studio.

No, you've been the way healed up, knowing they was his friends. And you go into the studio and you see... That's what I'm like... So when I walked through the door, my stomach said, hmm. And I look, and do you know the first, I'm telling you exactly how I happened. Disney Guru, for us, there he goes. He was like, yo, saw what happened to your man, Kay, da-da-da-da.

You know, I fuck with Kay and guru. Hold on. Grab his phone. Yeah, the kid right here. That word. Nothing else, bro. This is what I'm hearing and everything. The kid right here.

Yeah, hold on. Give me the phone. So, yeah, I'm sorry, what happened to Kay? Da-da-da-da-da-da, bro. You know, talking to me of that sorry shit. But I'm going to try to hear that. It's, like, who the fuck is on this line? It's got to be somebody in, you know what I mean?

So I'm like, that's what I mean by it. You can't mend every dump, bro. That's some hurtful shit. You feel? That shit, I didn't know how to take that. So who was it? I don't know to this day. Zootopia 2 has come home to Disney Plus.

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He just, this is exactly what Guru said. words and that's it. Yeah. Wow. That's, yeah, that's painful. Yeah, well, you can't do that. That's different. Yeah.

All right. So this is what happens. So you're going up there. You're bringing back now a lot of cocaine. And now tell us about the business that you're splitting the 8, 10 birds with K. You guys are 50-50 or how are you guys running it? Mainly Kay was rocking that. He was just throwing everybody food.

So he'll pay, you know. But how much were you? You taken out of all that way. Whatever I put in. Okay. So a couple? Yeah, a couple. Were you making more?

Did you find that that was more profitable than just cooking for people? Yeah. I mean, you know, the cooking thing is slow down if it ain't a drought. If it ain't a drought, them dudes want to keep their shit how it is. Right. So other people were figuring out. You ought to really get your shit off on the droughts. Right.

So you think other dealers were finally starting to figure out how to cook it themselves so they didn't have to pay you? Maybe not that. It just ain't a drought no more. You only touch shit. for real, like them type people when there's a drought. Right, right, right. You feel me? Like, they want to keep the shit the way it is, for real.

But if it's a drought, they might be paying, they might pay 20 and paying 30 this time. You feel something dumb. So you're like, hold up. Fuck that. I got to make my money. So business was slowing down a little bit on that end. So that makes sense now. Okay.

So, but that's a good hustle. That's a good hustle. What was the ticket on a bird from a New York plug? I don't remember the numbers there. It was worth it, though? Yeah, it was worth it. Every bit of it. Because even them times, it was droughts going on.

That's what made us keep going back. Because, okay, the time we went up there, you know, they say, God, I send you signs and stuff before you die. Do you believe in it? Oh, God. Yeah. Sure, why not? Well, we got so many signs that it may be.

me real cautious now and I watch everything. And I try to move off my signs a little bit now. So I won't get lined up or not like that. But at that time, bro, we got so many signs that we should have fucking left. We wouldn't be in the situation. Or some of those signs. These were the Beeper days. And it was a place called Dr. Beeper in Portson.

That's the only way we got to touch the connect and get in touch with us through the beeper. We're coming across Chesapeed Bay Bridge. you know, you got to cross that bitch to go into the other world from Virginia, but you got to pay a fucking toll. We get to the toll, his beeper cut off.

That's the only way to fucking connect and get to us. We got to turn around on the tunnel, go all the way back, the fucking Portsmouth before we go to New York now and get the Bieber cut on. We did that.

Now we're going to New York and you get all these little dumb-ass signs like they're taking too long. We're at McDonald's. parking lot, oh, this ain't good enough the area of too many people around here. Yeah. You know, you're getting all the signs.

Yeah. And we weren't paying attention. I remember one time the motherfucker talking Spanish and Kay smack him on his leg, like, yo, bro, I told you speak English around me. He was like, oh, bro, probably would you scared? You know, I remember all these little shit.

You feel me? Old time this motherfucker, I don't know who's Spanish. They're setting us the fuck up. Yeah, and in the drug game, because, you know, I've been in the game myself, anything that is off, anything that's off with your routine, that means there is trouble.

It's not just a coincidence. You know what I mean? Young and dumb. Oh, yeah. Young, not even 21. Yeah, you have. We're little-ass boys. No judgment.

You look at people now and we're glad ass boys. Oh, 20-year-old kids now are such faggots. You guys were young. We're fucking boys, though, but I'm thinking I'm grown. Right. Well, you're, but you're, this is grown. man business. I watch y'all pictures and movies and stuff.

Y'all got suitcases. 50,000 in there. A whole fucking fleet of motherfucking dude suits behind him with 50,000. We got 180 grand, 20 years old. Right. You feel me? 180 grand and re-out money.

You feel what I'm saying? But, okay, fuck that. This is what called to me, the God era. I never gave nobody a chance to talk about God. around me. I know it sounds crazy, looking at me like a little demon.

But I knew I was told, don't play both sides of the fence. So I'm telling you that I much knew I was doing bad and playing with that man, that devil do. You feel me? So somebody come around me with talking about God, I'm going to plug my ears and walk away because I feel like I'm a baby. I heard a baby don't get blamed for nothing because they don't know no better. I don't know no better either. I don't know what you're talking about.

As far as I'm doing, I'm doing good. You feel me? So I never prayed to God. They didn't want to play with both sides of the fence. So this trip we go before that beeper shit, that trip, what we looked at as strangers and stuff like that. We went up to New York with 80,000 in the MPV. We go out to eat with these same motherfuckers.

When we come out to a fucking restaurant, the man go. So to us, they're going. us, they made it like somebody just stole the van. So we think, oh, they ain't, they police find the van. They ain't going to know the money in the little compartment shit.

Right. So we're just waiting for the van to come back. Well, you know, that's some hurry. Shit, you come up there to get work. Of course. Your whole truck gone, you feel of it? We come back.

Two weeks later, we go back up there again. So you never got to recover the money? We go back up there with a buck 20. When we get up there to New York, this time everything went good we're coming back home

but this time we're coming through Delaware I'm sleep K driving we get pulled over by the fucking state troopers this nigga tap my leg boom

I wake up imagine waking open your eyes and fucking three state troopers behind your blue lights and you know you got six bricks in the car imagine that shit you've been

nobody can if you ain't been through that shit you can't tell me what that shit feel like or what you should have done No. I didn't know what the fuck they do. This shit was crazy.

They pulled us out of the car. You know how they'll get inside that motherfucker listen for them knocking on the walls and shit. They're doing all this shit, right? Got my ID. Where did you have the birds? Where was the trap? The MPV was on this side of the wall.

Okay. The driver's side. So fucking Kaye said he had a pee. So I'm in his woods. We're on Delaware Interstate. I'm like, bro, and my mind don't run. You said, go think he could get to run through the woods. He actually walked back.

So next thing you know, the police asked me why I'm shaking. Bro, I didn't not know. I didn't not know because I've never been through this. I didn't know it was something in your brain that you can start shaking and you can't stop it. I didn't know how to stop it. I didn't know how to stop shaking. I didn't know what's the- It's your flight response.

Your heart's so elevated. Bro, I've never been through it. The scene's shaking, you can't stop. And police ask me why I'm shaking. I said, I just woke up. eyes was red. I'm cold. You know what I'm saying all that type of shit. I just see the book. I just

start praying to God, bro. I looked up at God, told him, if you let me go from this, I never do this shit again. Never, ever. He heard me, bro. That man's starting. When he picked his hand up, he had probably this much room to get to the coat.

And he stopped. It gave me my ID. He gave him an idea. Have a nice day. Now we're driving back. I forgot. I forgot. I don't know God. So they call that playing with God. Bro, they can't find our spot. You feel me? Now I'm just thinking we did it. You feel me? It's like when you go to get an STD check and you're like, God, you fucking bring this back clean. I will never run up in something raw again. And it comes back negative. And you're like,

man, I'm going to smash raw. Right the fuck now. It's the same feeling. Bro, I forget God. I forgot. Real quick. I forgot all about God. I feel like I did it. They just ain't finding. Now, I'm happy. I feel like, oh, we're safe. We can go home. You're invincible now.

Quick as we got that shit. Bro, but each one of these trips was telling to connect, this is our last trip. Because Kay and Mike just got a record deal. Mike just got like $500,000 of some shit from Capitol Records. So Kay was getting his people. You feel what I mean? So Kay was getting ready to fly straight.

So K's real. Oh, y'all need to stop hustling. But nobody's taking care. You got it? You know what I mean? I didn't know. So we kept telling our last trip, but it was a drought. Nobody had nothing.

We knew it again. So it's like, all right, one more time. Of course. Yeah, one more time. So you're getting the bricks off like hotcakes. Yes. So we got back with that shit from praying to God. There was gone.

Gone. Okay, like one more time. Now, tell me the connect. You said he was speaking Spanish. These were Puerto Rican guys? Dominican. Dominican guys. Okay.

Got it. And they're connected to a group that's on gangstars label. man guru, him too. Like he knew these guys personally. They're all friends. They all people. This is dirty. Yeah.

I thought it was just a guy. I thought it was... He was just trying to let me know he ain't had nothing to do with it. Right, right, right. Wow. And I didn't know Kay was getting ready to try to get out of a game. Yeah, because, you know, he... Times are changing.

Going there, you tell me. He just got a little $500,000, capital records, all kinds of shit. And if you know the street, hindsight's 20-20, but the most danger is when a street dude is getting ready to get out of the game. It's always that last deal that goes wrong. It is like a movie. Yeah, it is. Ain't it, bro?

It is. So we go back this last time and there we go. How much cash? How many are you picking up this time? We had 180 on us. So that's picking up 10 joints? I don't know what we was going to get this time, right? I would say yes, because it was about 8.

If you're getting 18 on a key, it's about 10. But it was never, they never had nothing. Right. You feel me? So the whole time was doing all that, that's McDonald's going here because it don't feel like the rights. Bro, we went to about three different locations and they felt like it won't write. You know what? The won't write, y'all couldn't kill us right there.

Okay, yeah. So walk us through the day. You get up there. Well, for one, we was at this club called Donzi's. All the drug dealers in Virginia, New York, New York. everybody go there. We was at the club. We left there

to hit the road to go to New York. So, you know, cool, young money. We took two girls out of the club with us. So y'all want to go to New York? Go shopping.

They're thinking they're just going shopping. We're in a hotel. I had like six grand in my pocket. I left it in one of the drawers just for when we go do the little thing. We don't come at. We're going to shopping for real.

You feel like I? We're really, you know, really, so we left the girls in the hotel. They don't know what we're there for. We just said, we'll be back. Do you know I bumped into these two bitches? Probably the dumb years later.

No way. Yeah, I did, bro. And she came up on me on some crazy shit. Like, we left them in New York. Like, bitch, you know, Nick died and you better be, you feel me? Yeah. She looked at like we left them in New York. I said, then you get the $6,000 that I left in the drawer.

They left the bitch, so the May had to get it. You feel me? They didn't know I had the money in the drawer. Like, bitch, you should have opened that drawer. So you guys are, are you meeting in Queens again? Is this where you guys are staying? Well, when we. Yeah, when you got up to New York.

No. Well, we got a hotel. I don't know where we got the hotel. You know, back then I was like new to all that New York shit. Like, I got family all up there, but I didn't know none of that part of the family. So I thought, you know. And we was at a hotel. And I remember them saying they're downstairs.

So we went downstairs. We all just went and got some breakfast. I'm smoking a joint and shit like that. we all went and got some breakfast. And we left the girls and said we'll be back. And when we got to the eating stuff like that, that's when the dude Carlito, he was on his phone talking to whoever he was talking to him.

And I'll tell you, talking Spanish and stuff, bo, bo, bo. But it just went so fast after that. After we ate and stuff, we started, we went to the McDonald's. And apparently we sat in the parking lot for a little bit thinking we were waiting for the people pull up with the food, you know, the work. And we left there, went to a neighborhood, parked over there somewhere. That was the right place. Then we went by the globe when Oz did the video at, The World is Yours.

Ah. When we did that, then the car pulled up. I see the dude. And I just see them pulling the cooler out the back. That's what they do every time, you feel me? Out of the back, and the cooler had to work in it. Once they put the cooler out, I know Kay was getting the money out of the side panel. And I just was turning the radio like this looking for a New York channel.

And while turning their radio, a bullet just shot straight through my head. But imagine somebody sticking a gun inside, the fucking MVP. That ringing noise, bro. Wow. Amazing. What kind of gun? I got shot with a 4-4. These motherfuck had handguns.

They both hands, bro. But a 44 is a big caliber. Bro, the bullet was so big that the bullet, because he tried. in my head twice. So I blocked it and that shit. Went in here. Came out there and went in my throat. Bro, they cut the, it was sitting like at the top of my skin, the bullet.

If I ain't block it, that bitch would have to tooth through my whole neck. But every morning I didn't want it to go close to this. This is why I'm healing up now. They can't take it out till my swelling go down. You know, they ain't going to digging while I swore. So I had to wait until all the swelling went down for them to pull that bullet out. So the bullet was right here, bro. that I try to do this every morning,

take it to scoot it over for it won't go close to my throat so they get the bitch out. Yeah, it was big. And then how do you survive a 44 to the head? It went in right here, and the shit came out right there with that line there. Wow. So it missed your brain. Yeah.

Yeah. Went in right there with that little mark at. It came out right there. Fuck my face up, you know what I'm saying? And my shit was like this. My nose bled for like six months. Okay, so you were the first one to get shot. Yeah, I would think so

Because how do you get out of the car And then what happened? You passed out? When they said, hell no He hit me in my head I tried to block Because he tried to hit me in my head again And then once he hit me in my chest right here

The bullet came out of my back And went through my lungs And I couldn't move in So I just let him do me in You feel me But I don't know how I Kay got out of the car I don't know how to fuck Because he was like

A little ways up You feel me So he was getting shot It was just one shooter Nah, I was, hell no. Carly, the other dude was shoot, too. You feel, made that crazy. From the other side of the car?

I don't know where that he was at. I don't know. I just was dealing with this one motherfucker. I'm looking at him shocked because I'm thinking we were cool. You feel me? Like, bro, you're killing me. So I just noticed one. I just kept blacking out.

So I remember my homeboy got shot in his head when I was young in the neighborhood and he ran and his adrenaline made the blood squirt out and shit like that. So I'm like, I'm thinking and all kind of shit. I'm like, bro, okay, be still for the blood won't squirt out. I'm saying. It's still talking like this, real crazy. So I went to sleep. I woke up again.

This motherfucker on the side of my door now because I think they're getting the money. But he's on my side of the door now, and he'd see my eyes open up. So I see him go like this, reaching his pants like he could shoot me again. I don't know if he shot me again. I went back to sleep, but I just went back to sleep.

You get me? And when I woke up this time, The next time I woke up, I saw Kay won in the car, but I saw them, all them running with their shirts folded up. We probably had money at 10 grand. They'd run in, you see money blowing in the streets and everything, why they're trying to get the bread to the car. I went to sleep again when I woke up. The car was gone, they was gone. I saw Kay land down.

On the sidewalk? No, he was just in front of me in front of the van, but he was a ways up. But I saw him staying up and actually fall without bending. You know, that dead falls. But Kay had got shot in his head, but his bullet ain't come out of him. So you turn them into a vegetable, you feel me? Like the fluids. Yeah.

So I went to sleep again. I'm sitting there. I can't move, bro. So what's next? I'm going to die. You feel me? So I'm sitting there like, damn. I'm just saying to myself, damn, nobody knows where I'm at?

Damn, where am I about to go? That's the biggest thing in my mind. Right. Where am I about to go? the hell, heaven, where? Where am I about to go? I ain't going to see nobody no more. This is all going through my head, bro.

Did you think about God? And how you betrayed your promise to him? Nah, I still don't know them that good. You feel me? I still don't know them that good. But at the same time, it was just too fast and too late to think about anything, but where are you about to go?

Yeah. I've seen people get shot in the head. I've seen them go to sleep. So I'm like, in my mind, like, where am I going? You feel me? I don't know where I'm going. That's the scariest part, bro. Warring the where are you about to go, knowing you about to die.

Right. So you weren't trying to fight it. They weren't going to... They weren't going to be. I got shot too many times. I'm going to die. Yeah. In my mind, I'm going to die.

I got hit in my head. You feel me? I don't know. Their fans are butts about it. So even when I went to sleep the last time, I woke up, K was at my door. So even then, because I thought he was dead, and he pushed me over and started driving.

So I remember rolling the window up Because the air from the outside getting in my bullet holes You feel me And I'm telling, hey, you know New York traffic crazy So I'm like, yo bro, run into the traffic I'm telling him, run into a car, bro. I'm telling him, run into a car, bro. I'm telling this motherfucker to run into a car For somebody I can see us before we die

And his head's swelling up with blood I don't know none of that I just see his eye hanged You know, I just see shit You feel me, I know, boy I'm looking at you, you only get shot a little bit of times. That's what I'm saying. He said, I'm in time you get hit pretty. I remember him saying that to me.

I said, more than you. Exactly what I said. And I looked at him. I said, bro, take care of my daughter. That's what I said to him. Next thing you know, I blackout again. Next time I wake up is a police at my door. They're like, who did?

That's all he wants to fucking know who did it. And I'm like, bro, fucking ambulance get me some help. Who did this? Who did this? You know, it's still cold days. I'm thinking we're going to live and probably come at kill these motherfuckers and stuff. You feel me?

So I'm just trying to be G as possible, but about to die. I'm looking at him like, just call him, get me some fucking help. And is K now passed out dead? No, because then I remember him getting out to try to get help, and I remember him falling.

So he managed to fall down, then get back up, come back to the car, get in and drive it into traffic, and then somebody called the police. No, he drove. morning into traffic, he drove somewhere and got off of exit and

we were by a hotel or something. Wow. I don't know where he made it. So my mind, you're doing all this, bitch, you're gonna live. You feel me? So the whole time, I remember when they took me in the hospital, right?

When they did, when I did get in the hospital, I don't know how many times I've been shot because the shit going is so fast you don't even feel it. You feel me? I'm talking about, sometimes they got to turn around and be like, oh, bro, let me.

Let me check your body to see if you hit. You feel me. You don't, they go in you so fast, you don't even feel it. So it's like, unless it hits something. But I'm in the hospital. I just remember them saying, oh, here's another one. Here's another one. I heard that so many times that it was overwhelming to me.

And I'm looking at them like, just am I going to live? You feel it? So I remember when I stopped breathing, they're, bro, I'm up while they're pushing this bitch down my throat. Your tubes into your throat. Yeah, if I could breathe. Can you imagine that shit, though, bro. I feel it. That's what I did.

But they put me in intensive care. And I was John Doe. You want me to show you how God I've been working in my life, bro? It's no way in history of hell that this type shit can happen. I knew this girl named Shea from Norfolk State. She lived in Virginia, right? She graduated in Norfolk State. But Shea was my friend in Virginia.

I used to mess with all her little friends. She used to meet with all her friends. it's college. Everybody hanged at Shea crib, smoke, and, you know what I mean? She's out of college now, graduated. Years gone by. I haven't seen Shea in super years. I'm in intensive care, bro.

You know who my nurse was? No. I ran to God. She's a great drop a tear, yeah. She wiped me in her coming, wiping my face and everything. Nobody could see me in a testicle because she's the first of human that's off. Wow. Shee.

Ain't that crazy, bro? And she married to one of those dudes from the roots. No shit. Yeah. First human I saw, bro. She wiped my face with me and all that shit. So it was like kind of crazy how all this shit was happening. But y'all could talk about, okay, for one, I didn't know Kay was dead.

How long? All the whole time I'm in the hospital. Right. The motherfuckers tell me he just asked for me. Oh, man. Oh, yeah, he just asked about you. Da-da-da-da-da-da. He's under the floor down below you.

You know what I mean? So I'm thinking we both getting well. How long were you in there for? I couldn't even tell you that, bro. So you were passing out? I mean, it must have all just been like a dream. Yeah, it was like a dream. But that one, see, the thing wasn't that even Yake was there wasn't, I was more, felt more stronger when knowing my home boy was still alive.

We both in here. Right. But if I knew I was in that bitch myself, because it wasn't the point against shot, there was a scary part. The scary part is these motherfuck got all that bread and they found out I'm alive. they can send somebody in this bitch to kill me. And I'm in their hospital. Yeah. You feel me?

So when they took me out of it as a intensive care, you know, New York hospitals be crowded in the pack. So they got helpers that have just come taking the x-ray. And I'm thinking every time somebody taking me the x-ray, they're going to kill me. This is real what I'm thinking. So next thing you know, motherfucker, they put me in the regular floor.

So now I'm scared to death, bro. You feel? I'm talking about scared to death. But it was just old dude, they put in front of me. And I knew I couldn't move. I couldn't fight you back. I got hit here so my fingers went work. I got hit here so all this shit went work.

You feel me? My teeth wired up. Bro, I didn't get cut open to nothing. Nothing. All bullets went in, out, and out, and out, and out. All my bullets, no bullets in me. That's really what kept you alive. Yeah, they had to cut me open to nothing.

Yeah. Just patched them holes up. You really got this story, this reminds me of paid in full. This is like the real life version of what happened to A. When he got shot and paid in full, he sees the money, you know, floating down from the sky. And he gets hit in the head and his boy gets killed. And this happened in broad daylight. Broad daylight, bro.

Broad motherfucking daylight. Now the obvious question is, was anybody prosecuted for this? Were there any arrests made? Yeah, one of them told, got caught. He ordered a whole bunch of guns or something, the people said, and they got caught and told everything on all of them. They all got like three life sentences. Wow.

Carlito, too? All of them, all three of them. But I was at, see, once I got out that hospital, once I got out of that hospital, you know, I left everything in my crib. I had brand new furniture, everything. I didn't want to be a bother with that drug shit no more. Like, if you even say you're going to meet some. Like the dinkie dropped me to fuck off, you feel

me? Well, how'd you get out of the hospital, first of all? My mom, them snuck me out the bitch. Okay, I don't know Kay's dead, right? So I'm in this room with this old man, and I know I can't move, but they got to kill him before they get me. I know it sound fucked up, but I had to do the same thing. Old motherfucker's about to go anyways. Yeah, they had to kill him for the get me.

So I at least see. I look at him why they're kidding because I couldn't do the shit, you feel me? Yeah. But one day I was just in my room, you know, watch a TV, my room phone ring. You know, I can hit the little shit. And it's Teddy Riley. Out of all humans in the world, bro.

Teddy Riley, bro. Wow. Call my room, not, my mama, not, you feel me. Trey Roddy. And he was like, yeah, you know, I'm talking to him. Yeah, sorry about what happened to Kate. Yeah, he downstairs. No, we just left his friend around.

he struck it to me. Out of all humans in the world. Now, boy, I'm talking about scared. Right. Now I'm pissy scared. I'm in this bitch by myself. You feel me? So a lot of time, right?

A lot of time went by because they had time to get his body back to Virginia, bury him, have a funeral. So you were in there for weeks. Yeah, but I, do you know I just talked to my homeboy Mike yesterday, right? And he was like, I like, we was talking about the case He was like, yeah, me and Chris, we came up to New York to see Kay when y'all got shot.

The next day, I didn't know nobody knew was in the hospital. So it kind of blew me like, you came up there. He's like, yeah, they wouldn't let us see you. But we saw Kay, we had to come see Kay because he had passed away. And soon Chris walked in there, he just fainted. I'm like, word. He was like, yeah, because that was my first time seeing my friend, somebody with a bullet and did it. And it just, like, I got to change my world.

That's what Mike said to me. I never even knew that, bro, that somebody came up there. Yeah. Well, they probably didn't let them see you because you were in such a bad way. Yeah, because they probably would have told me, too, huh? Yeah. Because I didn't know he was dead, bro. That's shit crazy.

Like, very crazy. Like, after I knew that, it was over with it. But my mom and them came in that night deep, like deep as fuck. And I made him sneak me out of the hospital. So you did the Tupac? You took the... Take me to a hospital in Virginia. Yeah, yeah.

All right. You know what I mean? I ain't care if I went to Virginia for one more day and died. Right. I just want to see everybody again. Yep. You go through some shit like that. You want to see everybody one more time.

Right. Because you know what? Shit was real. You feel me? Were you called up by the DA to testify? Yeah. Did you testify against them? When I had went up to go to court, like, they had everything.

They already had stuff in motion. I didn't have to go back up there. I didn't want to because. I was kind of, you know what I mean? Scared. Well, did you identify them? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Huh.

Yeah. Now, how did you feel about that? Because, you know, the G-code is to never... I felt like I had to do it for K and that type of world. And, dude, fuck that G-code. I'm dead. I'm about dead. You feel I mean, y'all niggins ain't getting away like that.

And then I didn't really get into the situation of we... I'm at my grandma house, right? Because I didn't go back to my career. I went to my grandma out. So she could take care of me. And then one of my home was that was close to me and Kay that used to take the trips with us. Them niggas reached back to him and said, they'll give him $100,000 to come get me if I don't come to court. So he comes tell me.

So now, I'm getting well. Can't really walk or nothing. So I'm scared of him now a little bit. We cool this bitch now. I know it won't like that. But then I'm scared the shit of him now because thinking you might take that buck. Right. Kill me for them.

You feel me. Fuck. So these dudes were. serious players. That's what makes this so absurd. Like, why is doing that? These guys got money. Why do they have to kill you guys?

I heard they fucked up when they plug. Like, they owe somebody. Right. That's what I heard, though. But don't take somebody's life, dude. Yeah, they did it. You know, I mean... For nothing, bro.

They killed my man. You feel in me? Yeah. That's brutal. And that's why, you know, those guys got to go down. You just can't do that. For nothing, bro. It's crazy.

It's crazy. Well, that story almost brought me to tears, dude. That was, I'm really sorry that happened to you. I'm sorry that happened to Kay, of course. Well, you just asked me a little while ago. Why do I call myself Pretty Tony or why they called me Pretty Tony? Well, you got to ask my friends. You know, I was kind of ugly when I was healing up.

My face was swollen for like a year. My nose blade for like eight months straight. And I had to drink out of straw. my eye was stitched up and when they flushed a little bullet fragments out in my face. So I was ugly. I cried every day for like a year straight. But once

I healed up and I healed up like this, you know, I said, I'm pretty as I want to be. You feel me? So, yeah, that's why I'm pretty tall. That's what it's stuck. They're stuck, stuck. It is with it. Once you... One day, Farrell called me. Bishop Donald, he knows I like that pent world. He called me, snooping them in the studio.

He's like, so my phone rang. and it's like, oh, this Bishop Don Juan. You don't think this ain't a bishop. Yeah, I'm up here at the studio with Ferrell. Come through. He told me to give you some game. He didn't want to tell me to stick by my name and stand on it like a rock.

Bishop did, you feel me? And I stood on that name like a rock, bro. You feel me? Pretty as I want to be. I even have my own little... It's pretty, baby. Wow, get them off. I can't shake them.

You know what I'm saying? Had my own little motion with it. You feel me? How pretty as I want to be, bro. And I live by that name. I don't care. Oh, you ain't pretty? Yeah.

Yeah. Wow. It's like how the mafia, they call it Fat Guy Slim. Yeah, yeah. Same kind of irony. Mm-hmm. Wow. So, and this was around the same time that everybody got out of the game.

I think the clips were now rapping full-time. When I got shot? Yeah. No, I was just dealing with Farrell at them time. What year was this? Like this. I got shot at 95. Okay.

So I got, I were pushing them on like 97. So I was in Farrell, I was like 91, 92. So, no, it was just for real. Okay. So you, all right, so people were still in the game, but you were out of it. I was already popping before all that music stuff, though, bro. Right. I was in the street full speed.

Yeah, yeah. Respective. I every city in my state. Right, right. So, yeah, all, so you are out of the game. All these stories you're talking about with Farrell when you're at, you know, dancing with Mick Jagger's wife. You're in L.A.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're out of the game at that point. point. I still were dabbling there. Oh, I didn't know this. We didn't know this. Yeah, because we thought you'd learn your lesson. No, because the lesson, disarranted the term.

Because a year, once I healed up, I did the Ray J video. That's me popping across the screen in a wait a minute video. Once I healed up, that's when I did that video. Okay. So I was shot before that. Oh, I see. So you're back, you were back hustling. Yeah.

Interesting. Interesting. Damn, you shot on God twice, dude. One time my cousin called me and said, bro, I was fucked up, you know. And it made me think, because he was like, bro, I get a couple of stacks. You go to New Jersey and grab this bag for me. I don't know. I don't know what's in the bag.

But to be honest with you, I get how you feel invincible. You're like, you got away with six birds clean from a Cracker's Day trooper, and then you got shot through the head and you still survived? I might be back with the motion, too. So nobody's blaming you. Really, really back. Okay. Yes, you were.

Okay, yeah, I was. And I did it. You can't bullshit me. I'm too good at this. Yeah, I did it, right? So, once I got back, and I made it back and got that bread, that shit, that shit, I don't even know what. He got rid of that shit. It said, because I need you again.

But that need you again, something God said, bro, you ain't going to make it back. I said, because I can't do it. He just, it's like something just told me you're not going to make it back this time. Yeah, but after you are, you escaped with your life. Literally, you cheated death. You're still back fucking with the cocaine. What year did you retire? That's what I want to know.

Around round then, it's just, I was just jumping in to grab little change. Right. But, you know. Were you going back to just cooking? No, this was just, this was just doing little running for people. Yeah, just little shit. When I, after I got shot, bro, and Kay. was it. Do you know how many people, you know, I respect about it, they got money,

that come get this bird from me? I don't, I'm saying. Put you on, yeah. It's tough to say no to that. Yeah, I did to a lot of people. That shit, that shit kind of shook me, that God stuff shouldn't me. The actual stuff shook me. The God should me. I was playing with them. Did you have any more close calls before you did eventually retire? Yeah. See, after I got shot, I did? I had dreams every night, bro. One time I was in McDonald's, my sister baby daddy shot me in my head. I wake up right before I die while I'm leaving on the ground.

One time I'm at K-Mond, somebody else shocked me in my head. You feel me? I used to have dreams back to back. And then one day my cousin, Shampoo, got beef with some motherfuckers. I know the guys too, though, you feel me? And we all just outside the mall and him in the head, dude, they talking it out and the their crew and our crew standing right here and everybody got guns in their hands. But we're close.

Like some cowboy shit. But they're talking it out. But my sister baby dad is going to say to the dude, oh, you're going to hold that gun and ain't going to use it. Everybody arms just left up. I get shot again, bro. This ain't even my be. My cousin beef, shampoo beef, but I get shot again, you feel me?

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Oh, so for you, that's like, walk that off, dude. I don't know where I'm shot at. So I just remember my dreams. And when my homeboys driving me to the hospital running red, like, stay up, stay up. I'm going to be shot in my arm, but I don't know where I'm shot at. So, you know what I mean? Yeah. When I get to hospital, they take my shit off and say, oh, here's the X.

So when she said, exit out of our mouth. I said, oh, patch me up. So now she's taking my blood. I mean, you know how they take your blood pressure, and she's see my old bullet wounds. And she's like, oh, what, you're in a gang or something? Ain't that crazy, though, bro? That's crazy.

But, yeah, I just know once you got that inter-execis, they got to just flush it out, patch it up. So, yeah. Into-exis, my third shot. I got shot when I was 16, too, now. Jesus fucking Christ. No, so, yeah. As this interview taking a turn, dude,

we felt bad for you after you told us, You almost got killed. Holy shit. Yeah, but when I was 16, you got a plausible skeletons. I didn't know about being shot there. You feel me? So when I got shot, when I was 16, I only got shot in my other arm, but enter and exit, but my jacket just filling up.

I'm a little boy. And I got shot in the mall fighting some other guys. So when my jacket starts filling up and I do notice I'm shot, yeah, I stopped panicking going crazy. Well, a little dumb-ass shit. And I had like I'm about to die. I need to take me to the hospital, tell my mama try to suit them all. This is surreal, man.

But yeah. So, so you suffice to say you didn't get out of the game. Well, can you tell us the year? Because around 2000, 2001, that's when Farrell's popping, blowing up, like worldwide fame. And then shortly after that, Lord Willen drops. And the clips are on. And so they're out of the game. Tony is Gizi is wholesaling.

You know, he's a fucking drug kingpin. So where do you fit in? Do you know what year you actually left the streets behind for good? Yeah. 2020. No, really for like, like, everybody, everybody tampered with little stuff, bro. You feel me? But like, for really planning that street shit, around.

after the grinding and shit like that. We ducked the feds, all that talk. It made all us kind of like in that bubble. Right. Like, they can rap about it, but we still living it, and then the feds hearing this shit. Yeah.

You feel me? So really, isn't that ironic? The, you guys, the clips got so big, but so specific that it kind of made the street guys quit the drug game, because it put a spotlight on. Yeah, right, it put a spotlight. That's fascinating.

One time, I remember the police coming to Farrell Security telling him that he's fueling the Star Trek drug ring, not by giving us drugs, by giving us money to buy the drugs. I know that scared the shit out on him, though. You feel? The shit out. Did he come to you guys and say, hey, you need to fall back? He always said that.

Even when GZ got arrested. Yeah, he came and said something to GZZ. I mean, but he must have been like, God, did he ever, did he threaten to say, hey, guys, I got to, like, distance myself from you? He just did it. Okay. He ain't got a threat.

He just did it. Yeah. He just did it. Now, to this day, where, what is your relationship and what are the people, the street guys from your area? What is their relationship with Farrell? Is there anyone, or does he come back to the hood? Does he stay in touch?

He comes back. He does a lot for a home for Virginia. Mm-hmm. But, yeah, Ferrell's. You know, if you can disappear like that, you don't got to deal with nobody. Do you feel some kind of way about that? Always. Yeah, I used to feel, but now, you know, I grew out of it.

And it is what it is. And, you know, man up. But yeah, I used to feel some kind of way. I think the clips, I think Malice and Pusha, I think they stay a little more local, right? Like, you keep in touch with those guys. Yeah. Are they happy for you? Are you happy for them?

I still talk to balance all the time, though. Okay. But I don't know about about far as being happy or whatever. Like, I can't say that. Yeah, men don't talk about their feelings. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, yeah. But you stay in touch with those dudes.

Yeah, they see what's going on, though. With what? As far as everything they're going on in the streets, they see everything. They're always connected to somebody that could keep them. Wow. Like, I used to be that one. Like, push and call me every more. But he knew everything was going on the streets because of me.

Wow. But you always got to stay connected to someone that can keep you. To their ear to the street. So they still have a line on what's going on in Virginia Beach? Yeah. Like a motherfucker. Is there still motion out there? As far as with Hussman, if anything, weed or all that boy, boy, but they ain't my world.

You feel me? There's motion out there, and they're getting it. But, you know, us. The Fenton all become a thing in that area? Is there? It's everywhere. But the thing is with us, we know it ain't, is, it's always going to be something that come with it. Yeah.

Yeah. Do you think there's anybody from your crew that survived that's very, very quietly getting money? Like on a wholesale level? Or do you think everybody in their 50s is like, nah, we're good? I'm thinking and I'm like, a lot of motherfuckers died, bro. Like for real that. I'm talking about even the motherfuckers that, and if they is, they're doing that shit quiet as a motherfucker.

You feel me? I'm talking about all of them, even the ones I used to look up to. Now, it's something I might be out there and be like, bro, still hustling. You feel me? But you never know. Because I feel like people had enough money. Like back then, the working man was a sucker. Yeah.

Now I'm the drug dealer of the sucker. For sure. So a lot of them probably put their name. money to making it work another way. That's it. And you can look right still. That's it. Yeah.

Wow. What a time. What an era. What a story. Pretty Tony. Thank you so much. I really, this surpassed my expectations. Yeah.

I really had a great time. I'm proud you letting me on your platform, bro. Did you enjoy it? Yes, I did. Did it feel good? Yes, I did. Tathartic telling your story? Yeah, pretty much.

I just want anybody to know. I don't live there anymore. Yeah, no, no way. Have you been told you look like DJK Slay? No, nobody never told me that. I'm pretty, baby. You know what I'm all? It's me, man.

You're pretty, baby. Yeah, it's pretty, baby. All right. Well, hey, let's talk a little more because I don't want to let you go. We're going to jump over to the Patreon now and just do a little bonus episode, talk about anything we didn't get to here. But that was unbelievable. I'm so glad you're living, you're thriving.

You've got a relationship with God. and yeah, man. That's all I need. Yeah, man. Let's show God. Let go and let God, bro. I just wake up and try to live by my signs and I do my part and God I do his part. That's it, man.

That's it. Anything you want to plug? Anything you want us to push to the fans? Well, my book. Just wasn't my time until now. Oh, yeah, and the merch. Okay. Definitely the merch.

Just wasn't my time. Shopify. Okay. Shopify and then the book is called Just Wasn't My Time? And they get it on Amazon? Amazon or Shopify. You can get it. it with a signed copy.

Excellent. Excellent. So we're going to push that. Everybody go get that book. Everybody go get the merch. But if you live in Virginia, and we do have a lot of people who watch and listen from Virginia.

Come on, man. This is your hometown hero. Go fuck with Pretty Tony. Just wasn't my time. And patreon.com slash the Connect show for more with Virginia Beach's own. The city's only.

Pretty tone. All right, you guys. See you over there. Take care. Thanks, buddy. Did you know if your windows are bare, indoor temperatures can go up 20 degrees? Turn the temperature down with Blinds.com and get up to 50% off custom window treatments like solar roller shades and more during the Memorial Day mega sale.

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