The Connect- with Johnny Mitchell - Inside NYC's Craziest Weed Trap Spot: Bronx Kingpin Reveals Open-Air Drug Market

Episode Date: May 3, 2026

From the streets of the South Bronx to running one of the busiest weed operations in New York City — this is the story of Angel Diaz, aka Julito. In this raw and unfiltered interview, Julito breaks down how he was raised in the drug game, watching his mother move heroin and cocaine before stepping into the streets himself at just 12 years old. From selling crack and flipping weed to building a massive distribution network moving pounds daily, he shares how loyalty, hustle, and survival shaped his rise. But the game comes with a price. Julito opens up about violence, betrayal, federal indictments, and the moment everything came crashing down due to snitches and internal conflict. After years behind bars, he reflects on the truth most don’t talk about: There’s no glory in the street life. Go Support Julito! IG: https://www.instagram.com/bx_julito/ Clothing: https://www.maisonbullion.co Book: https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-united-states-of-america-v-julito-angel-diaz/1146480500 This Episode Is #Sponsored By The Following: Lucy! Find LUCY near you at https://lucy.co/stores, or save 20% on your first online order at https://lucy.co/CONNECT with promo code CONNECT. Shopify! Sign up for your one-dollar-per-month trial today at https://shopify.com/mitchell Betterhelp! When life feels overwhelming, therapy can help. Sign up and get 10% off at https://betterhelp.com/connect Cash App! Download Cash App Today: https://capl.onelink.me/vFut/1ekoiacn #CashAppPod. Cash App is a financial services platform, not a bank. Banking services provided by Cash App’s bank partner(s). Prepaid debit cards issued by Sutton Bank, Member FDIC. See terms and conditions at https://cash.app/legal/us/en-us/card-agreement. Cash App Green, overdraft coverage, borrow, cash back offers and promotions provided by Cash App, a Block, Inc. brand. Visit http://cash.app/legal/podcast for full disclosures. Join The Patreon For Bonus Content! https://www.patreon.com/theconnectshow 00:00 Intro: Meet Julito – Bronx Weed Kingpin 01:53 Puerto Rican Roots & Family in the South Bronx 03:56 Julito's Upbringing & Family's Criminal Past 10:05 Early Hustles: Family Drug Business 16:39 Growing Up Surrounded by Drugs & Violence 21:15 This Episode Is Sponsored By Lucy 22:40 Weed, Heroin, Crack: Bronx Drug Culture Breakdown 30:00 This Episode Is Sponsored By Shopify and Betterhelp 32:38 Julito's First Steps as a Young Hustler 36:19 The Weed Block Corner Sales 41:52 This Episode Is Sponsored By Cash App 43:16 From Corners To Big Business 48:45 Clientele, Profits & Outwitting the Law 55:40 Moving Up: Gaining Trust and Becoming the Boss 01:12:01 Running the Block & Dealing with Competition 01:23:50 Weed Droughts, Strains, and Evolving Drug Game 01:31:07 The Rise of Sour Diesel and High-End Weed 01:36:01 Block Politics & Rivalries in the Bronx 01:43:43 Violence, Betrayal, and the Feds Closing In 01:54:41 The Murder, the Snitch, and the Downfall 02:07:38 Feds Build Their Case & Block Goes Down 02:18:27 Prison, Reflecting on the Game & Life Lessons 02:20:19 Life After Prison & Final Thoughts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

How did you first get involved? I was basically raised into this shit. Who were some of your connects in New York? I had Jamaican connects. I had white boys. I had all type of motherfuckers that would come to give us weed. I'm sending it for 1314. I'm making three, 400 of a pound.

I sold four, five pounds in one day. So I'm going home with $1,800 young boy. Killing it. I used to get rid of me, like 50 pounds a week. My guest today is Angel Diaz, better known as Julito, a Puerto Rican drug trafficker from the South Bronx, who managed one of the busiest weed spots in all of New York City. Smokers and dealers from all over the tri-state area would come to Hulito's block to score bud.

Didn't matter if you wanted a dime bag or a hundred pounds, Hulito's crew had you covered. The federal indictment accused them of selling $100 million worth of marijuana in the nine years that Hulito ran the organization. This is a fascinating look at how the drug trade still operates in New York City to this day. in forgotten ghettos like the South Bronx, worlds away from the tourists and the wealthy glamour of Manhattan. Hulito wrote a memoir, the United States of America versus Hulito, about his life as a weed kingpin and the murder that took him and his crew down.

You can get that on Amazon and check out Part 2 with Hulito, where he tells insane stories from behind the prison wall, which you can get early over at patreon.com slash the Kinegg show. Ladies and gentlemen, a South Bronx and a New York weed legend, it's Angel Julito Diaz right here on The Connect with Johnny Mitchell. What's up, everyone? So it looks like YouTube has started suppressing our videos again. So I got to ask you guys a big favor before we get started today. Please just take a minute to smash that like button and drop a comment below.

It really, really helps the channel out. And I do appreciate it. All right, let's get into it. Puerto Rico to the South Bronx. That's just the pipeline. That's the pipeline. My mom's and my problems, both of them, from Puerto Rico. My mom's from Uthwado.

That's a part of Puerto Rico. And my dad is from Fajalo. That's another part of Puerto Rico. Yeah. My mom came here when she was real young. After my mom got here when she was real young, my uncles and all them came. My mom got one, two, three, four brothers and two sisters.

so it's seven of them. My mom's is the oldest side of the women. Then you got my Aunt Penny, rest in peace. And then you've got my Aunt Nidia, rest in peace. And then she's the oldest side of the girls. Then my mom got four other brothers that the oldest one is Uncle Caesar, Uncle Eli, rest in peace, Uncle Ed, Uncle Lefty, rest in peace,

and Uncle Eddie rest in peace. What happened to all your uncles? You know, substance abuse, drugs, doing that 80s. all that shit going through that, all that wilder now. You're in life. Catch up to you. Yeah. And your mom was in the game too.

Yeah, my mom was in the game. My mom got in the game within time. Like, my mom's first, my mom came over here young. My mom's got married young. I'm saying? She got married to my older brothers and sisters. My mom's first three, my mom got six kids. My mom's first three kids is from one man.

that that's Adam's mother, my brother Tito, and my sister Nancy. Well, my mom's met their father very, very young. As my father met, as my mother met him very, very young, my mom's got pregnant very, very young that had my older sister, that that's Adam's mother. When she had Adam's mother, she was about like 16, and, you know, when she got pregnant, my grandfather was like one of them strict, old Spanish men that wasn't having that.

And he was always like, you know, they raised up with like all that type of military because he was military too. So he had always that military, whatever. When my mom's got pregnant from Dunn, my mom's wound up to leave. As my older sister got born, then that's when my mom came back

to show my grandfather my older sister. And as my mom showed my grandfather, of my older sister, then she had two more kids with her previous husband. So my mom's been through a lot, like, as a young girl, mowing up, you know what I'm saying? He was really, like, abusive to my mom. You know what I'm saying?

That he was older than my mom, so he was a little abusive to my mom. So my mom went through a lot of bullshit with him, you know, as a young girl and whatever, but she left. Then my mom came back. Finally, my grandfather accepted his grandkids. and then my mom left him.

After my mom left him, then she met my brothers. My brother, Julio, his name is Bopi. He's from Florida. He's over there. She met his father. When she met his father, you know, they was together, whatever.

Then that's where my brother came to when I told you. We called him Paupe. That's like a nickname. Like they call me Julito, but his name is Julio. Then from there, the relationship didn't work. Then she wound up to meet. My sister Christy, her father. And I guess when she met her, his father, her father, it didn't work out.

Then she met my father. Then when she met my father, my father was like, came from Puerto Rico. He was like real, you know, abusive to always, you know what I'm saying, raw screaming, all that shit and all that. Then when from time my mom left him, but before my mom left him, that's when Julito came. That's me. Right. And after I came, my mom, my dad was always, you know, that relationship, I could say more because I lived it.

My dad was always in and out of prison. My dad being always in out of prison, my mom was one of the women loyalty. My mom's held them down, held them down. And then one time that my dad went to jail, and before my dad, my mom was dating, you know, whatever guys that was from outside. They were street guys, but guys that was like, you know, official dudes or whatever. So my mom knew the game and knew certain people

and, you know, she grew up in that South Bronx era when the South Bronx was the South Bronx. Like, I lead those way to moving while. Yeah, yeah. She grew up in that era. As she grew up in that era,

she used to deal with certain people that she knew, like, certain connects or whatever. And then my dad went to jail on the bid. When he went to jail on the bid, that's when I moved to my block where I'm from Creston. When I moved to Creston, where I was from, my mom wind up going and looking out her window and she wind up to see an old connect of hers.

So she called out the window, called his name. When she called his name, he's like, oh, come down. Him and my mom got in tune again. Once him and my mom got in tune again, that was, we was, I wasn't born, my sister Christy wasn't born, and my brother must have been small. My brother, Poppe, he was small. Me and Christie wasn't at that time quite born yet. No, they was born already.

Excuse me. Now, as that happened, my mom met him back up. My mom started going up. I'm going to Maryland with him, going to Baltimore with him. He used to pay my mom for that and hit my mom with, like, here, 200 grams. My mom used to take the 200 grams, get rid of them. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

Get rid of them. Now he started hitting him. And my mom's more work. Talk about Heron. Heron, coat, whatever. But my mom was doing her thing. Now my mom's had a cousin that was named Primo. Primo used to go and be in,

now we're not in the South Bronx anymore. We're on Creston, 1.93, Queensville, but my mom still had linked to the South Bronx. So a cousin used to come grab the work and go all the way to the South Bronx. This was when my mom used to be in Longwood, into Velfox, all that area around there. My mom just to be out there.

Then my mom's shit just started going crazy That the guy that my mom called out the window Actually put her on to the connect The connect the connect the connect Now to connect now with some Pakistan You already know Oh for that brown For that brown for real for that work for real

So now I guess my mom was always so loyal Never did no bullshit always had their money My mom the dude that my mom was dealing and it basically fell back than when she called out the window. He felt like, yo, I'm gonna fall back, but I'm gonna put you on to Johnny or whatever.

So now when she put them on to the Indians, to the Pakistans, they were like your size, your color eyes, your complexion, but Indian, word of God. I was a small little kid. I remember this.

They were coming in my house with a bag. They started bringing my mom work. And after they start bringing my mom work, shit started getting crazy that. Wow. The whole time I'm recording all this, as a young kid. Now, how was your mom, mother of six, you know,

ghetto woman, no education? How is she moving all this heroin? She moving all this heroin because she was loyal. She never fucked with nobody's money. This is the shit I've learned in life. And that's why I'm here where I'm at today. Like, she never fuck with nobody's money. She always told her you don't snake nobody.

You know what I'm saying? You always pay. So I guess they started liking my mom's because my moms would always pay them. But did she, I mean, like, how did she do it? Did she have dope spots? Was she wholesaling? First, she just started like selling to people in the building where we lived at. Certain neighbors sniffing, coat, on a low, doing this, doing that.

Then she had my cousin, he had the spot. Then my mom's had her own spots that it was a spot, but she was just hitting guys that was out there doing what they doing. My mom's stamp was called Seven Crown, like how you got an obsession, stamp in the Bronx. You know, they got different type of stamps or whatever, checkmate, blue thunder. My mom was seven crown. So that was my mom's stamp. If seven crown went to the South Bronx,

went to the East Bronx, went to the West Bronx, whatever it was, that was seven crown. You knew that that heroin was seven crown. It was a good stamp. It was moving. It was a good stamp. It was moving. So where the seven crown was,

they knew what it was. Plus, my mom's never been like greedy, never been like a snake or nothing. My mom's, I guess her clientele got crazy because she was to give people good work, big bags, and the shit just start going crazy. Mom just started eating that. And now I see the Indians coming more often and more often and more often.

So when I see that, I'm like, oh, shit was going on. I still don't know who these people was. I just know some Indian guys, one tall one like your size and another short one. But the one that was the man was a tall one, blue eyes, light skin. I'm like, damn, I didn't even know Indians come that color. But they come with the brown paper bag, next thing you know, he'll leave with the bag. So me, always being the way I was,

Johnny Ice always look at all this shit. Like when they were going to room, like the door handle, I would look through the door handle, and I would see my moms with mass stacks. Mass stacks of money, I guess, you know, clearing them up, fixing them up or whatever, and those dudes would leave.

Then I still didn't know really what was going on too much because at that time I'm young. I'm talking about I'm going to. back to when I was five, six years old. I just see a glass, a piece of mirror big, what a mountain of snow on it. I ain't know if it was cold. I ain't know if it was dope or whatever.

But I just knew it was a mountain in. Next thing I saw people knocking on the door, pooh, boop, boop coming in and out. But my mom always kept us, you know what I'm saying, like out the way. It was just me. I was always nosy, like young kid, always looking like, damn,

what's on that door? You're people coming in. And I used to see, like, Christmas time, We used to sit on presents in Christmas time. Like the Christmas tree right here, we had remote control cars, my sister, Dawn houses,

like, I'm talking about millions of presents. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? You guys are like hood rich. I mean, my mom's, nah,

don't get it wrong. At that time, we was hood rich, like, because my mom never really drove, so it wasn't like my mom had cars and my mom never really did it to be flamboyant. Yeah,

it's old school shit. My mom did it always to take care of her kids. Like, you dig it. It wasn't that. My mom left us in the house and she was outside parted in and doing this, that. Now, my mom owned social clubs. Wow. Like, my mom was a woman like that.

Like social clubs that you go over there, you drink, you sniffing, shit like that. You drink in two days. They got the pool table. They got the jukebox. You know, those was like the back in the day, 80 shits. Like, everybody had little social clubs. My mom had like two, three social clubs. Yeah.

So I guess she moved a lot of, Yeah. Cocaine there. And then she gave a lot of bundles out, a lot of bundles out. She gave out as in to people here, here, here, hitting them all love, hitting them all of, hitting them all over, hitting them all over, but like I go back, my mom's really had like a real traumatizing relationships with men, you understand me? And I'm not going to just sit here and say only my older brothers and sisters were also

my dad too, because my dad came from Puerto Rico. He was really aggressive. You know, my dad was like a guy they brought over here from Puerto Rico because he was like on bullshit. So he always had like a temper. My dad was even, even stabbed like an off-duty cop in the neck with a 007. They was looking at him. I don't know if you ever seen the movie Fort Apache.

There's a movie called Fort Apache that my dad is about like cops in the precinct in the South Bronx. And when they bring the guy, the actor, they bring him in the precinct. Like, you can see my dad. face wanted on the wall, big ass afro. He was on America's Most Wanted and all that. He was looking for my dad all through America's Most Wanted. Everything, everything they got him in Pennsylvania.

Shit like that got locked up. Did some time, came home. But when that happened on my dad, he wasn't with my mom at that time. He was with his previous wife that he met from Puerto Rico. But he was always so violent and drinking and shit like that. And when he caught that charge, his first wife dipped on him. This is my time to get away from him. Yeah.

So when my dad came home, because I just learned this before I'm here talking to this, so this is actually good. My aunt was the one that introduced my dad to my mom. My aunt Penny. Penny was a gangster. She was like them ladies from Shaft. Remember the movie Shaft?

Like she ran around with a three, five on her. Yeah. She'll take you, line you up. Give me that. Like she was on bullshit. My aunt Penny, rest of peace, ma'am. She was on bullshit. She was like,

one of them and had dudes that around for that were goons. Like if she got a drop on you, it was over for your ass. She's sending like she was outside like that. My opinion, she was in, but fly. I'm talking about she was doing that was more flamboyant. She was doing that water like the gazelles and the leather cold. My mom's never been like that. My mom's always more humble.

You know, got flied but humble. So you really come from a whole family of gangsters and drug dealers. Basically. There's no question about. So the world can know. Yeah. So how you're young in the 80s when your mom's getting on in the 90s, you get the little... My uncles will learn joke, too.

They were drug dealers? What were there? My uncles was all type of shit. At that time in the 80s, you was a drug dealer, you was a killer. You was a whatever. My uncles was no joke. Like, did you ever remember, like, the first body you saw? Growing up in the Bronx, you're going to see a dead body.

The first dead body I ever seen in the Bronx. I've seen a couple of them. But the first one I ever seen, I was playing a video game. Like, there was a store that me and my best friend, rest in peace, Ralphie, you know. This is my best friend, my bro. We was young. Like, we used to ask, like, all the drug dealers for chains. Yo, yo, let me get a dollar.

Let me get a show all grab, gather our money together. We go change the quarters and we go play. And as we playing the game, we just hear pop. We hear shot. Like, oh shit. As soon as you see, we didn't see nothing. Everything got shining. We're still playing the game.

Next thing you know, I said, hold up. That shit sounded like that shit was close. I looked at our body, and I guess I must have lost the game. He kept playing. And when I looked over the counter, I seen the stone right on the floor. The shit leaking out of his head, Johnny. Like, bow, one shot right to the head. All I hear was just fell.

I'm like, oh shit, what is that when I look? The owner, he's on the floor, head leaking, and there's a bunch of money right there. But at that time, you know there was no cameras, like in stores at that time. So we wind up going like he's right there where the feet is at. We're like, we got more game money. We like take the handbook.

I thought he was still alive because I see him like, I guess that's your nerve system. We know our few going, damn. Something like, oh shit, we got to get a body here. Next season, you know, we wouldn't even have to stop. A whole bunch of police came. And then we found out that the guy got shot in the head, and he died. But it was so normal.

I mean, I guess according to people. It wasn't normal, but it wasn't something that we already knew growing up since young me. What you see, don't say shit. How did you first get involved? in the business. I basically got involved. I was basically raised into this shit, no disrespect.

Like, I see my mom's getting money. I didn't know what it was, because I never seen nothing happen. But I'm gonna tell you a story. One day, they ran in my house. Some stick up guys. Oh, knocked on the door, open the door, they ran there, nobody moved.

I thought it was the cops, but it wasn't no cops. They took everybody in the house and they cuffed them. But we don't know really where it came from. Maybe it might have came from my dad because my dad was so aggressive to people and like, you know, talk to ah,

because he was always just so aggressive that guys don't hold that shit. Like this is what I'm saying growing up. Now you're not just going to talk to me no way. So maybe they sent some guys to come in. And I remember they put my dad handcuffed and put him on the floor, put a pillow over his head. They had the gun to his hand

and my mom's is screaming. My mom's screaming like, please, don't kill him. He just came out of jail. He just came out of jail. He just came out of jail, please with him. And then me and my sister, we're on the sofa. We're young, my sister, Christy. She's the youngest out of the girls.

So me and her together. And as me and her together, Johnny, she's crying. She's crying. The guy's like, yo, just relax. Relax. We're like, you know, please don't kill my mom. Please don't kill my mom, whatever. They had everybody, Hank.

I'm talking about friends, customers, everybody that was in there. And they had guns drawn, like, I'm like, oh, shit they had my father on the other man on the floor with a pillow over his hair and they was looking looking looking look and look and my mom was like yo just sake everything though please don't kill him he just came out please don't kill him they grabbed like some bullshit and they ran out after they ran out everybody's cuffed me and my sister young my brother poppy came in hulio after he came in he's seen everybody cuffed everybody's crying my sister's like

hey please don't kill us don't kill us don't kill it my sister christie after they did that, I remember my brother went and got a fork from the thing, bent the fork, and he started unloosinging the handcuffs from people. Unleasing the handcuffs, unloosing the handcuffs, unloosing all the handcuffs. That's when we're like, oh, shit, shit is real right now. And I guess I got my mom like a little like, oh shit, no, I can't, you know, my kids or whatever. So my mom started petting that a little more different than she fell back. Before it was just like more like, you know, open house, people in the building.

And then Johnny here, take that go here, go, go, go. But I'm thinking really now, this is my conclusion I came to after learning the street and be able to, maybe that shit happened because my dad was like, just two people will come to get something. Oh, you gotta wait, you gotta wait, it's too early. And I learned like shit like that, that's not what you do with people, bro, you know?

Well, did you learn you first of all, don't trap out of where you live? First I learned, you don't trap out of where you live. I know that. But it was my dad that was like too little aggressive. Maybe somebody was like, man, fuck this dude, homie. I'm coming to buy work or whatever. I'm coming to do what I do.

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Because weed was so where I lived that all my life. Like I was born into the weed game. Like the older guys on my block, like, you know, guys that raised me, guys that were like my brother, same age, they were his friends. They used to be out there selling mad weed. You know what I'm saying? I didn't know what it was, but I know they were selling. Then I, then before that was like, I used to be to school and hear the Jamaica is like,

cess, says, says, sess, suss. Sunk, skunk, sask, skunk, you know, with that accent. Then I'll see them with mad weed. I see the police locking them on. I'll see them taking the weed out, the bag, rolling that shit up, smoking a spliff. So now I started matching it like, all right, this green shit, this smell is this, this is weed. They call it cess skunk or whatever.

Then I started matching it within time. After I started growing up, growing up, growing up, growing up, seeing what was going on. Now I started seeing different things as being outside. That's when I learned, like, hold up, this is weed. Like, you know, this was that. Like, for instance, I'm going to give you an instant. Like, my uncle lefty, rest of peace. God bless him.

I don't know what you might feel. But he told me he loved dope. He said, I see my uncle wake up in the morning. Me and my sister was Saturday. You know, we wake up with the cartoons. on. We wake up real early so we can get all the cartoons in. And the next thing I know, I'll just hear the door. Oh, a lock.

Who's that? Oh, that's Uncle Lefty. He left. My Uncle left to roll out. Go buy himself whatever. He used to use heroin. So he used to go get his heroin. But when he came back, he went into the bathroom for like an hour and a half. I went like 40 minutes, Johnny. So I used to go and be like, yo, uncle, I got a piss. Give me a minute.

Give me a minute. Give me a minute. I used to live on the third floor. Second floor. I used to go piss out the window. You know what I'm a boy? I passed on the window. I used to piss in the cup sometimes.

Throw it down to drain with us out of a cup or whatever. I'm telling this now because my mom knew back then she would kick her. So the family was drinking out of cups. You pissed in. So when that happened. But once he came out that baffle, he came out that bathroom. I'm talking about lit. Woo!

All this screaming. Actually, fuck happened to him. So I never knew what it was. So I would go to the bathroom and the toilet bowl was here. The steam is right there. I remember when I'm using the toilet, whatever. I put my, I kicked the steam and the spoon falls. What the fuck is that?

When I look at the spoon, the spoon is burnt. You understand me? It's a burnt smoo. So I'm like, what the fuck is back there? When I would look back there, I see it's a range. So now I'm like, with the, well, this spoon is burnt. What's this needle for? You know, I know the needle for the dog, girl.

I know the spoon is for the house to heat. Then I'll go outside and I'll see another dude making the same noises, singing the same music my uncle used to sing. So that's like, damn, this sounds is familiar. So I started matching. Damn, this sound is familiar. After I'm seeing familiar, I will walk in my building or being around the street, I'll see drug addicts

with like the belt on their arm, pulling it with their mouth. You know what I'm saying, shooting up. So I've seen the needle now. Sure will bring me back like, oh, shit, this is the same thing that Uncle Lefty is doing. Did you realize that that was the same thing your mom was selling? At that time, I really didn't know my mom was selling. than that, because I really didn't know,

but I knew that by him making, I was more curious about not what the white powder was. I was more curious, why is he making this noise? Because it was cold January. He'll open the window. He got the hot water on. That's when the hero was heroin. And he'll start cleaning and start singing.

And my mama come out the room going crazy, like the window be wide open, the snow coming in the house. Close that window till. Definitely get the, speaming on him and all that. I'm like, What the fuck is going on?

Do you think Puerto Ricans, the drug addict community, do you think they prefer heroin? Yeah, yeah. Whereas like in Harlem, the blacks were smoking crack. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Explain that, right? That's basically the Puerto Rican love dope.

A black man, no disrespect, love crack, and the white man love the coke. And meth. And meth, I mean, that's more meth now that it got like, but, you know, meth is like more the out-of-town shit. Yeah, yeah. Because meth really was in the...

New York, the three drugs that I know that was hardcore drugs at that time was cocaine, crack, and dope. Like now, that era changed now. Now drug addicts do everything. Before you would never get a black man do no heroin. You would never get, unless he was like an old school black guy from the 80s that was raised around Spanish guys, he did that. The Spanish guy, you could not talk to him about no upper.

You could not talk to him about no cope or no crack. Wow. He went to straight, that lean, that drop, that. Right. That itchy, that scratchy, that. You couldn't talk to nobody about that at all. Now, drug addicts now, where I'm from, they do it all, Johnny. They smoke K2, they smoke weed, they smoke crack, they do meth.

Fent. Fet, no, dope, coke, crack. If they use their finger, get them how they do, they fake, like everything. One thing now, that's why there's so much people now, like, overdosing, dying fast, getting torn up fast now in the world. Did you ever try, like, hard drugs? Nah, the only thing I ever tried in my life, I'd done, and I'm going to be honest for the record,

I tried, like, a perks is sad. Hmm. I tried, like, smoking dust one time. Like, that wet shit, that Matrix shit. Yeah. I did that shit. I took ecstasy. Sure. Fun. You know, I smoked weed.

I tried, like, I wasn't a big cigarette, dude. I drunk a little bit. Yeah, right. Okay, so you dodged that, that horror. Now, you know what it was about me? Like, I would never, don't get it wrong. When I was in prison, I was like four seconds from trying to some heroin. But is that I seen the hair on so much in my family?

Right. That that shit got me scared. For sure. You understand? Like, I just seen my uncle coming out the bathroom. Then my aunt Penny, I told you, she was a player. And she got so involved in drugs, like heroin and crack, that it took her to the next level.

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So now it's the 90s. The weed game was perfect for guys like us that didn't like hard drugs, but there was still so much money in it. Yeah, like back in the days, like my guys that I was raised with, they owe the guys than me. You know what I'm saying? Like I'm 43, 44. They more 50-50 signs.

So they ever was the wool. the Wu-Tang era. That was the combination made my eyes bleed. That was that woolly shit. That was that cracking weed. Right. Woolly blunts. Yeah, woolly blunts.

They used to smoke woolly blunts. But I never, that was like when I came into the game, that shit was already fading out. But all the guys that was raised around me, they tell me the story. They used to be smoking man, wooly blunts and all that. So what year? How old were you when you first started serving? When I started smoking weed or serving? Yeah, yeah.

I was young. The first drug I ever sold, keeping it 100 to be cracked. And it wasn't even my area. I used to go all the way to go see one of my boys that he was from Allenton, from Allenton. Like upstate. Allenton, no, New York. That's Allentown. He was from Allenton in the Bronx. That's like another section of the Bronx. Oh, okay. You know, like going towards Gun Hill, all that area type up there. Basically with him, I used to go over there. I was young, he used to give me, I was talking about super young, like 12. He used to give me two packs of crack. It must have been like maybe like 18 bags,

four for me, and 140 for him. 40 for him. That's a good deal for him. But I'm not going to lie to the way the crack was moving, it was crazy because somebody would be like, give me 30. I just made $80. Give me $20.

I mean, I made $20. You know what I'm saying? I'm making $15. percent more, that's 25 a pack. So it was just starting to move so much crack. I used to move mad crack. You standing on the corner? How are you doing?

I used to be walking around. Like, I knew all the crackheads already. Like, I mean, when I first started, he was my boy. So he didn't let just let me, like, go out there and just burn myself. You know, like, a lot of customers that he had, he would be like, yo, hit him. You know, here, serve, show, so. Until I really started getting the flow. Yeah.

Then I even had women that used to want to get cracked and do, you know, all type of favors for a nigga when he was young. Yeah. I'm like, nah, I never been really with that. So I used to just be, I used to sell crack like that. And then I used to make my money. Now when I used to make my money, selling the crack, I used to leave,

and I used to go to Washington Heights. I used to go to Washington Heights. We sold regular good greenweed. So I used to go get that Piff in Manhattan. Okay, explain the difference. The difference was that was like the first high-grade weed. Right. Like, you know how nice.

Now they got runch, they got all these names now, whatever. That was like the first high grade week. We had mango pina and they had purple haze. That's why they say the home of the haze was Washington Heights. Right. That's like all the Dominicans is at and all that. That haze just to come from Miami, a lot of Cubans just to have that haze farms over there. They used to bring them farms over there like that.

So the haze was fire. People was growing in it. That should have the ill smell, no sea sticky. And this is back in the 90s. This is like going to the 90s. Yeah. This was like the 90s. So you would take your crack money, go to the Heights.

I'll rent the cab. The cabs just called OJ. They were like luxury cars. So I put the guy on hold. I'll put the guy on hold. Yo, what's up? What you're going to do for? I'll put your home for four hours.

He might charge $20 a hour. He might be like, all right, what I'm going to do is I'm going to charge you 15 an hour. So I'm like, I'll be in a be with me. I'm going to put you on hold for five hours. Here's the $100. Come on, drive me over here. Go to the hay spot. Pull up.

He had a nice. Eddie Bauer expedition with the music And then we jump out, yo boy Yo, let me get five bags, six bags They give me one. Now I go back to my block, mind you. There's dudes out there hustling on my block, older dudes and all that.

But I go out there, I got my money in my pocket, I'd be smoking that haze, then the older dude started attracting to me. So what's that? What's that? What's that? So then I would smoke with them and they like, oh, that's that gas.

Then what they do? Like, yo, yo, some of your 20. Some of your 20. So I used to pull out. Sutter them a 20. Here's a 20 of that. Yo, this shit fired, where this from? You, this from Sherman.

This from Vermilia. This from 1-38. This is from all over. Because I used to run around all around the heights, buying weed all around. Yo, take whatever, take me here. Then after I used to buy the weed, I used to wind, I used to wind up going. And be like, yo, do me a favor. Drop me off at Jenny's house.

Drop me off at Sanjo, drop me here. So I was just going to pull up a girl. Yo, what are you doing? Oh, we're in front of the building with my home because I'm like, word, I'm going to pull up right now. I got me and my man in there, whatever, me and my other man. And we'll pull up on a block. Pull up on a block.

Right there, we get a little bottle. We'd be drinking on somebody else's block like somebody on the turf. And we'll be there when we pull out that weed. And it's like, oh, shit, yo, what's up? Yo, sell me a bag. Look, boy, I only got a 20 to sell you. So now I started getting leaked, getting named.

Like, oh, shit, yo, he's hit the hills. He got the hay. So then at one point I said, we wouldn't buy like 10 bags out there. So I'll smoke maybe four and sell six bags. And what was your profit margin? Like, how much would you buy a four? My profit, I wasn't really making no profit.

I just get my money back. Right, right, right, right. Like, however weed dealer. Because I'm buying it for 20, excuse me. I'm buying it for 20. And he might, if I buy 20 of them, he might be like, hey, take those two 20s for free. Right.

Or he might give me a dime. Or he might be like, yo, here, boy, you always come through. So it hit me off. So now you're starting to build all this clientele in the Bronx from this weed. I was starting to build a new clientele in the Bronx. Or my block always been a gold mine and weed. Like my block was a gold mine before me. I'm not even going to sit here and lie.

I mean, I pertain to it and got it. You know, I'm one of the pioneers too there, but I wasn't only the one. Like, it was my older guys that were there that I worked for. And in the 90s, how was weed being trapped in your neighborhood in the Bronx? My weed was being trapped in my neighborhood

with, you know, the gallon bags? The Ziploc gallon bag? It would be like that. It'd be 13 guys out there with 2, 300 bags of weed on them. Yo, yo, yo, you smoke, smoke. Running to customers. Yo, yo, yo, come here, come in.

Like, they'll see you. They'll run to you. Be like, oh, shit, that's a cop. but I already know who you are. I'll come to you. What's up? Johnny, what's going on? What you want?

Yo, Johnny, do me a favor. Don't come in no more. Take my number down. Call me. You'll be a guy that's coming from upstate. You know what I'm saying? White dude, you come from a state. The badge was this big for $10.

Wow. So you'll be like, yo, let me get, let me get 100, 200, let me get 200 bags. $200 nine bags is $2,000. That you guys pay a lot less for. Yeah, but we would buy the week. We was getting for 900, 800, 800. Right.

We would sell a pound. Normal pound, you came to the block to buy a pound? 1,200, 1,200, no matter what. So it was also a wholesale spot for other dealers? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're so wholesale, boy, we used to sell pounds of weed every day. Like, I had customers coming every day. Like, if you came to my block and they seemed you,

they thought you was a cop, I took the chance. Fuck it. If he get me, he got me. But now if I take the chance and you good, yo, Johnny, do me a favor, don't come in no more. This shit is man hot out here. So you don't gotta come. Nobody can snatch you.

Just call me. Call me before you come in. I'm gonna have it ready for you. Right. You know, I'm over here by the train. All right. Me right there. Stay right there.

Give me a pound. Go bring you the pound. I'm gonna bring you the pounds or whatever. Okay, so at this time, the South Bronx was almost like what the free base. This ain't the South Bronx. Oh, this is. South Bronx.

I'm from uptown more. Oh, okay. I'm from 193rd. So that's like. I'm from like east. I'm from uptown. South Bronx is downtown. So you're more,

it's more affluent where you're from. Yeah. That's not as ghetto as a South Bronx. I mean, the South Bronx is real ghetto, ghetto, ghetto, because they always say it's ghetto because they had the burnt down builders and all that. But when we come from, we come from Kingsbridge and Fordham. That's a little going up more. Going up more, it gets a little more clear.

It starts clear enough. So it's not a project. All the smoke is in the South Bronx, no disrespect. But when you keep going up, it gets a little clear, but it was still smoke on my block. My block was with the biggest weed spot in the Bronx. Okay, so your block was to weed at this time what, like, free race or cocaine was to like Washington Heights in the 80s. Everybody could come up there dealers or users and get hit off.

Wow, that's fascinating. And so you're just like a teenager doing this. A boy. That's what I wasn't in the teenager yet. I was a boy. But you're really good at this. I was 12 years old already. But the things was I was with the hitters.

I've always been young fly. Even when I wasn't selling my mom, who'd get her check and buy me Jordans. And I'm saying? Always dead. My sisters was always fly, so I used to take my sister's clothes, tell you the truth for the record, and get fly because my sister's always begin flying. My sister Christie. So I used to take like her Timberland jackets, wearing them to school. She had like that preppy look before.

You know what the, that's when Albucombe was out. Banana Republic, Gap, all that. My sister's to wear the little polo hat with the polo tape there's with the jacket around her. With the jacket around her. But you know, that was like boys and girls used to wear that. So I used to wear my sister shit, run home, take it off, whole shit. Put it away. Now you're still wearing girl shit. You got diamonds all over you. But now this ain't no girl shit, this old guy shit, man. No, I'm fucking with you, bro. You're good, bro.

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So 12 years old and moving forward into the 90s as you grew your business, you got all these customers. Did you get like a legit connect for your weed? Now at one point now, my guys was getting so much weed. So it was that I had to go to nobody. Like the guys that was giving me the weed that sell, we have massive weed. So I had customers that would call me.

Yo, I'm coming from upstate New York. Yo, I'm coming from Connecticut. I'm coming from Connecticut. You, I need three pounds. I'm like, yo, don't come to the block. The shit is hot. I would lie to them. Don't come to the block.

Me need by the McDonald's. Because I didn't want nobody to get my customer. Because remember, if they get my customer, then they tell them, you, I can give you a better number. Well, if God for me, he did come by mistake, and I wasn't dead. And they give him, you, how much you paying? Oh, I'm paying $1,400, $1,400.

All right, I'm going to give it to you for $12. You erase money right out your phone. So I always been like a young smart, you know, Like, oh, no, no, no, don't go over there. It's hot over there. The police did it catch with that money. They're going to take it. Then I had white boys.

They used to come see me buy 400 dimes for me. 400 dimes, that's $4,000 when they could have bought two pounds for $1,100. And their money's good. And their money's good. So what I used to do was, I used to tell the older dudes on my block, let's say, like, you was one of my older dudes. I'd be like, yo, I got a customer because we used to sell wholesale. So I knew you was coming and ready to morn. I used to take their own.

money. Might be grimy, but this is the rank you go through. And it is what it is. They probably know now by the time this go. But I used to take their money. Like I saw so much wheat. I had so much clientele. And you're working off the pager in the 90s? That's when I had the Motorola page of the two-way page. I had the next tail. And I had a cell phone. One ass raised a little skinny boots for them when they came out. I had all types of forms. This is wild at such a young age. And your guys are getting work from the West Coast? They're getting work from the West Coast, from Arizona. If you was bringing work, you were from Texas,

wherever you was at, you really wanted to deal with my guys. Because my guys wasn't, like, they didn't rob. We never robbed nobody. That's why we always made a name. We wasn't robbers on my block. Like my guys was money for money, money for money. You bring the product, we sell it. You bought us 100 pounds.

Here's your 100,000. And it would bring you different connects from out of town Would bring you different types So sometimes another dude might come and be like Yo, what's up? I got some pals of wheat Let me see All right, how many you got? I got 50.

Let me see them. What you want for them? I want a thousand now we're going to give you eight for them. All right. Cash out. Boom, give me them 50. Then after the time, me working with you already You're like, damn, I just gave, I sold them 50

And I gave Frankie 50 and he taking man long, it got fucked up. I'm not even going to fuck me, Frankie, no more. Let me just drop everything on dumb. So when my customers, you'll be like, you all want 200 dimes, 100 dimes, 100 dimes is $1,000. I used to make that shit with a half a pound of weed. That was with $500, because I used to get it

for $1,000 a pound. So what I would do was I go to them with the bag, they gave me bags. I used to get stashes, packs of weed. They would give me a $7,000 bundle to knock down, Whatever it took you here, there's 7,000 there. But I'm selling weed, selling wheat, selling wheat, people come for half an ounce, I grab five,

I charge them $70 for half an ounce, I grab five bags, put it in a Ziploc bag. Here, half ounce, give me that 70. What you want, half an ounce? Here, oh, girls that's coming to the block. Beautiful girls, whatever. Oh, she's so young, he's so I'm always been fly. And I'm saying that, so when this shit drop

or whatever, the world knows this, I've always been fly since young. I've always dressed good since young. I ran through every epic you can see about clothing. I ran the Iceberg Epic. I was the Iceberg King at a young age. I ran the Koogee when Biggie was wearing Kooji with the Versace glasses. I've done all the errors of dressing.

Remember, I lived home with Mom. So I was getting money and just getting fly one time. Getting money, getting money, getting fly. Till I started getting money, getting money. And then after being fly, you know, once you fly, now comes the girls. So now I was getting fly because I'm not paying no way. Now I'm getting the girls And then I'm just keep going up the level

Your mom must see what's going on, right? My mom at one time when I started really shaking My mom wasn't shaking no more My mom was out the game already Like, you know, my mom fell off a little bit My mom was on public assistance She was more for like left that shit alone Because she didn't want to go to jail

That's when like BCW was around child You don't protect the whatever they take the kids away So my mom fell back from that But then my mom's, I used to sell outside. But when I used to do the crack, like I was telling you, I used to sell crack and buy sneakers. There was a store where we was from McDonald's called Olympic Town. They used to have all the sneakers in here.

So my mom used to buy me sneakers every month on a regular check. You know, regular public assistance check, like I always had Jordans every month. Once a month I get a five pairs sneakers. Here, here, here, every once in a month, my mom's giving me. But now, within that, now, you know, you're only on one sneakers. You're going to burn them. shit-sight in one month. So I used to be hustling and they said

throw out the boxes for the sneakers. But I look mom, Johnny just gave me these sneakers for helping them, whatever, and one pair of sneakers. Right. Mom, John, three pair, four pair, eight pairs, 12. What are those sneakers did.

Now, instead of them, my mom having to buy me sneakers, when I would get that sneaker money that she would get her check every month, and I didn't have to buy no sneakers. Now I'll start buying jeans, shirts, matches shit. Did she know what was going on? No, she didn't know what's going on yet, but my mom's wasn't stupid.

Of course. Then she started smelling the coffee, and one day she found a pack. And I'm looking for the weed, and she's acting like, she don't know what's going on? So I'm like, oh, my God, what am I going to do now?

How to pay these people this money, you know what I'm saying? Like, oh, shit, you know, because I came up with that, and like, if you play with that money, it'll happen to you. Yeah. Now motherfuckers don't be like that, tiny.

Muckuckuckers don't got no loyalty, no respect, no digging, no honor, no shit. So I'm like, it got such to a thing that I'm like, she's like, what you're looking for? I'm like, oh shit. I'm like, mom, looking for this guy on Johnny's weed or whatever. She's like, Johnny's weed?

What do you mean? You got weed in? I'm like, yo, mom, this, I got, like, I left this right here. And there's hamper. I put the weed in the hamper. And when I go to school, when I come back to work, she wanted to, she wanted to take the clothes. And you smell that raw weed

And then she got the weed I'm like, yo mom, please, man And like, this ain't mine He gave me the holeless He gave me the sneakers for that She's like, for what? We're gonna go to Johnny And I said, no, you're crazy

We can't go to Johnny, whatever But my mom was always gay You know what I'm saying? So she's like, look, I'm gonna take shit This is what you're looking for I'm like, oh shit She's like, don't ever bring that in my house again

I'm like, alright, mom's sorry I just didn't know I was pedaling Then that's when I was on the crack Then from there, the guys from my block, they already knew I was selling crack. And they sold mega weed. So they went to my mom's like, look, man, instead of him going to selling the weed on the block,

said of him going to sell crack or whatever he's doing, because she already knew now she came on crack two times. Instead of him selling crack on another block, a couple blocks away from where I'm from, you might as well keep him here with us. He's only selling weed, and you can watch him, and you know he's our little bro. We're going to take care of him.

Wow. So I guess she like, it makes sense. Yeah, sounds like a good deal, a better deal. And then my mom's felt like into a real substance abuse too, you know what I'm saying? So, but never like substance abuse like she was out on the street, like getting all crazy or whatever. My mom's, if my mom's did get high, my mom's got high like to herself. Like her own show. Her bills is always paid.

Her kids was always good. And she'll be in house. She wouldn't be with running around with crackheads, bringing on a type of crackhead been to my house. My mom's never done none of that. So you're like flagging down cars. Cars are flagging down you. You're getting pages. Your beach beepers going off.

My block was like a, like, you ever been to Times Square? Yeah. You know when the New Year ball is going to drop for New Year's? My block was like that. You can ask anybody. You can even ask my boy Ali Al that we go from high school. We come from junior high school. My block, like the older guys from his black that were gangsters.

That showed crap, whatever they were. Everybody came to, in my, in my vicinity, You know, that's the federal word they use. We control drug organizations in the vicinity. Everybody came to the Mongo Pia block. I'm talking about Jersey cars. Yo, let me get 40 doms. I used to have white boys come to the car.

Be like, let me get 10 domes and pull out a fake badge. I'll run from them. Oh shit. I'm like, oh shit, the makes they got grab bottles, throw bottles, like jump in the car and try to chase them down. Like the block was like, I'm talking about pumping. Like, I'm with a bag this big, 200,

bags of weed. That's crazy. 200 bags. At one point I had dimes, nickels, and 20s in a gallon bag. And that was, let me get 320s.

Here, that's $60. Let me get a half ounce. Hold on. Running the building real quick. I walk around with Ziploc bags in my jacket. Pull out the Ziploc real quick. Make them half ounce.

Here's half ounce. Give me that 70. What you want? 11 dimes. Yo, here take 12. What you want, 15? And we bumping and tackling each other.

Crazy. Customers are pull up. You'll pull up on my block. Whoa, whoa, that's my man, Johnny, Johnny, what you want? Johnny, don't get that. We all had the same weed. Johnny, don't get that.

Don't get that. That's garbage. That's garbage. Johnny, don't get that. Cut and throw everything on the block. Like the black, this shit was like a movie. Yeah. Yeah, it sounds like the crack era.

It was a bleat. The crack ever, they came military. I'm talking about we were jumping over cars. Come here, come here, come here, come here. The cops. Oh, shit, that's the cops. Boom, boom, jump out. Running on them, running on them.

I used to fly in the cops. All right, yeah, did you ever catch a case when you were a corner kid? Hell, shit. You got to buy, like, undercovers and shit? Hell, yeah. I don't, we run in the gunner so much that I don't put my whole head in the car.

Yo, what you want? Hey? Come in. Cough me and all that. Oh, shit. They got me like that. Like, I'm talking about we, I ran on top of the cop car

to sell them weed. Yeah. And when I would look, I'm like, oh, shit, that's officer. Yeah. Officer asshole. Oh. Oh shit, run on them.

And have to hide and wait. So three o'clock to his tour was over to come back out to work because he was looking for me. But a weed charge is a minor. A weed charge is bullshit. I had six sales of weed at one time. I'll get caught. They'll take me to, like, then they said undercover cops.

Let me get five bags here, take the five bags. And five minutes later, they blitz that shit like, cars everywhere. Boom, boom, come on, move. Don't move, don't move. Next thing I know I go, you got caught with 50 bags, 1,100 in my pocket and a sale of marijuana. Oh, release on your own recondence, all in all.

Release on, I have five of those. Five sales of weed less than, if the block was hot, I had probably five sales less than 30 days. Yeah, it's like getting a parking ticket. But at least the parking ticket, they tore your car. Now, before they couldn't show me, and when they would get me, finally, after all the charges,

all right, give them a thousand dollar bail, my big guys will get me right out. And I'll get out of jail. Let's say I have to go, because you got to go through the system. I don't know how it's over there. Over here, you go through the system in New York. When you go through the system in New York,

you come right out. After you've seen the judge, whatever, they'll be like, oh, we're going to give you, at that time they used to give community service. You got to go clean the parks. You're going to give you three, you gotta clean the parks. So I'll go clean the parks.

I have even that on smash. Because when I used to go clean the parks, the dude that cleaned the park was a guy that probably got high. I'm like, yo, here, man, take this $60 sign me for them three weeks. I have to move every Saturday for TV. Here, take that weed here, take that money.

Make sure you sign me in. And the dude would sign me like I went. And I'd be out there. The day I was supposed to do, the day I'm supposed to be doing community service. I get locked up and get a sale. Yeah, but so it's nothing. You're not getting punished.

No, you ain't really getting punished. And then it was like after so many times of being like that, then they didn't give me a thousand out of bail, but my guys, remember, I'm making so much money for them that they would never leave me in jail, leave him in jail. You think you were the number one sales guy as a kid of the other kids?

I mean, there was different levels. Like you maybe had an older group that was a little older, but I was at one point, I was the number one. And when I did have a clientele, it was like my guy, shout out to my man, Smitty, white boy, raised with us. He raised me, like, not raised me because my mom don't like me to say that they raised me, but he took care of me, you know what I'm saying? Oh, that white boy has so many custom. He used to ride rollerblades. Imagine selling weed on rollerblades.

Coming over car, come here, right here, right here, right here. Selling massive weed. That kid sold massive weed. But that's the one that I was like, you know, he sold the weed, and I was right behind him. And basically, I got the next torch. But I've been the number one seller as a young kid out there. At what point, as you started to get older,

at what point did you then start to own the weed that was getting shipped in? Basically, I put in, like with us, I'm talking about me, because everybody else got different stories of themselves, because it wasn't only me out there. Of course, I was a bunch of us. But as in me, I got the torch because I used to work for my one guy, rest in peace, Lou. That was the one that I told you that brought Daddy Yankee. He actually brought the reggaeton to our area.

He was a kid from Puerto Rico. He came over here, and as he got over here, he just started blowing up, getting money, getting money. I was like his, how they used to say, oh, that's his son. He used to take care of me, basically, so they used to all be jealous. but this is who I am today because he taught me a lot of good qualities and a lot of good morals and respect and honor and dignity

and always told me never to be a rat. You play this game, you're on rat, homie, no matter what it is. So I learned a lot from him, you know what I'm saying? He was one that I used to work for him. And he showed me, gave me, he gave me the rock like as in, I got you, homie, do what you do, I got you.

So he was going ice to me That's how I got good Because I wasn't scared Some people were like Out of the cops are I didn't care The cops were around Yeah the cops were

And I seen them Everybody go go go go go go Beeping I'm out there selling I'm out there selling killer And he was one that showed me That when I got the torch How you treat people

And how you do the people Because there was like dudes out there That you would get locked up for them And they wouldn't bail you out You know what I'm saying Like their honor was bad When you say

who ran the block or had the torch, what did that look like? Was it a guy that had the bank roll to buy from the Kinect and then a bunch of little guys like you serving it? It wasn't only little guys. Okay. He had grown ass men working for him, everybody working for him. From older than him to young kids working for him. He had the bankroll.

He was basically the one that the Kinect came and gave him the 100 pounds of weed. Right. Here. And he'll go and distribute. Y'all take that five. Y'all take that five. You know, older guys that was shooters and whatever. You take that five, you take that five,

make someone to get yourself some workers, but holito's with me. So I had access to everything with him, just imagine. The other guys, I used to have the snake because they were pieces of shits anyway. Some of them niggas came out to be rats anyway. So fuck them. But, like, Johnny, as in him,

I didn't have to do no trip to him because he gave me the land. Go, go, go, go, go, do what you do. Just I couldn't just take my own weed and bag it up at that time I was young. But if I needed a customer for a pound of weed, matter of fact, I'm getting it for nine, I'm getting it for eight, take it for nine, nine, fifty. Now I don't got to do no trick because I'm sending it for 13, 14.

I'm making three, four, four, four hundred of a pound. I'll sell four, five pounds in one day. Plus I'll sell 200 bags. So I'm going home with $1,800 young boy. Killing. And for the record, they know I'm not lying. Because the girls that dealt with me know, they all got McDonald's.

They all got everything when I was out there as a young guy. Splurgeon on these hose. Ladies, sorry, sorry. So then how did you move up to finally become that guy? I basically got up because I showed him my loyalty in this.

Explain that a little more. What do you mean? Like, basically, if me and him was together, right, and we was going to get 50 pounds, let's say from uptown, from the Jamaicans, and the cops caught us, That's mine. I wouldn't let him go to jail

because he's the one with the money. What the fuck am I to let him go to jail? If he goes to jail, then what happens? We stop eating. So I was taught, and I was brought up, they couldn't do nothing to me anyway. If they caught me with 10 pounds of weed, they was gonna take me, grab me by the wrist,

take me to the priest and handcuff me. Yo, we know that weed is Johnny's. We know that weed is not Johnny's. That's my wheat. They don't give a fuck if they knew that the weed was Johnny's or whatever. So you guys, he would take you to go re-up. Yeah, yeah, he would take me with him.

But he wouldn't take everybody. He just trusted me. Who were some of your connects in New York? All type of connects. I had Jamaican connects. I had white boys. I had all type of motherfuckers that would come give us weed. He just had so many different plugs.

When did the weeds start becoming better? Like, when did the Purple Hays era start to come in? Like when it hit Manhattan. But that didn't fuck with us. Because that was Manhattan and we had the green weed. We had the best green weed. that was existed in the Bronx. It was so crazy that we named the weed Mangopinia.

And you had Jamaicans, they used to come to our block and be like, you only got 100 pounds of Mangopinia. We're looking at the nigga like, you got what? All right, let me see what it is. How much you want for that? And he'll be like, nah, me got Ari and we got Mangopinia. And now mine, I said this. They ain't no such thing as Mangopinia.

That was a name that came from Puerto Rico. Puerto Rican kids came to our block. They hacked warrants or whatever they did over there in Puerto Rico on their side, they ran. If they killed somebody, they came over here or somebody looking for them, they killed them. They ran to New York and they would be Spanish dudes, like I told you, that was into there, take them,

them Xanax and all that shit and beer and be out there wilding mango, mango, mango, mango, mango, because they came to be like, we, we, we, we, because the cops will stop. So they started saying mango, mango, mango, mango, mango, mango, mango pina, mango. And that shit just started sticking. Right.

A year, that, two years of that, that shit. just spread it like a wild fire. So that was the brand. That was the brand. That was like the name that we went, like how they got the wean now that they maybe got some weed and they let me, lemon cush or this, that.

Yeah, birthday cake, whatever. Birthday cake, but we had birthday cake before they even knew about birthday cake. It was just mango pina. So that was our name, Mongo Pina. By us having that mango Pina name, everybody was like, yo, mango, mom. But when you come to the block, it was different than everybody because of Jamaica

so the same weed. But they were selling little bags like this for $4, $10. We so do S-2020s for the record. Big-ass bags like this, limo bags for $10. I would tell some people why, you know, about having a money like, hell no. I'm going to buy these from $10 for you, and I'm going to go up steak back to school,

and I'm going to sell these shit for 30 a bag. Give me 200 bags. College kids. I had college kids. Then the reason why I was so good, because those colleges came, I could have robbed them. But at that time, I wouldn't even think about that. Why would I rob you, Johnny, for $2,000 if you don't come back?

If you bought $2,000 off me now, and I gave you the right shit when you would go back to school, now you came and bought $4,000. So you think Mungo Pena was the most popular strain in the Bronx? At one time. And you said, like, Daddy Yankee was working on your block before he blew up? That Yankee was on our block. They was already known as Daddy Yankee and them. Nikki Yang and Yankee was a duel.

They were together. Like I told you. Nikki Yang was a guy. He'd always been a playboy since young. He used to fuck everybody or anybody's girl. He didn't care what it was. So he fucked the guy's girl. And he, you know what I'm saying?

In Puerto Rico, the guy was like a young, a young killer. And he was behind Yankee for fuck, I mean, Nicky for fucking his baby moms. Now after he was behind Nicky for fucking his baby moms, he knew that Yankee used to be with him. So any one of y'all get on his arm with Char, and over there they're off your head. Yeah.

So they had to break out. When they broke out and Daddy Yankee had to break out, and Nikki had to break out. But at that time, my man was having so much money, he was making a compilation album. He was grabbing all the rappers here, paying them here, paying them here, paying them, paying them, paying them. Man, he's the one that basically,

you ever heard of Tengu Cantero? He's the one that actually put thing on his first, first shit Is on my man CD, rest in peace that's called Borik. Why? Pay them, here's this money. Here's this money. Let me get that. Oh, I got the guy, you gotta pay him.

How much you want for the song? I want $5,000. And my guy that's doing the beat, $1,000,000. All right, here's $7,000 for that song. Let me get that. You don't see nothing to that. Throw that on. Let me get this album, throw that on.

So they were making money with the music, but then still selling weed? No, no. They fell off. They fell off. After that happened, they fell off, they came to New York, they wasn't doing nothing. Now when they're doing nothing, my man had them sleeping in the crib.

Yankee was, Nicky, Nicky was outside. I ain't even gonna lie to him. He was like one of us. He was on bullshit, he chased a pussy. He don't even care about that. He was on it. Yankee was a little more humble, so they had Yankee like on the table here, bag that up.

But that niggas, I don't even care if they know what. They're sleeping with 150 pounds, 200 pounds in their apartment at one time. Straight up. Wow. That's wild. The other big, huge regitone stars. They're all that. But they're on the block.

And we got the house on the block in the stash house. Nicky was outside pitching. Nicky used to be outside running with us. That locked up and all that, Nikki on the block. Nicky was on the block with us pitching. Boop, bo, bo, bo, bo, bo, out there. This girl, oh shit, that's Nikki. Fucking that girl.

Go to the club, this girl. Like here's a place. Now he's more calm. God bless him. Shout out to my man, Nicky. He made it. Okay, so how you start getting older, tell us how it evolved until like the late 90s, the 2000s.

Now what happened will evolve with me. Basically as the weed started coming as I came along was, now I'm doing all these things like I told you. I'm proving to them. So my boy, any problem would happen. I was quit to run upstairs. Go get the gun. gun, if you fought through him, I was shooting you.

Did you have to shoot people? I mean, if I had to, I've gained God, I never did, but if I had to, I would, I would have. If I had to kill somebody, I would have. Because at that time, I'm like, I'm 15, 60 years old. I killed somebody. I get 20 years. I'll be back out when I'm 30 years old. That's why now, you know, it's over for me there, but at that time, that was basically my mentality and he backed me up so much. And I said, you know, even if I go to jail for 20 years and he's around, He don't hold me down for 20 years.

That's how loyal you were to your connect. That's how lawyer I was to him. He was the boss, basically, one of the bosses. The Roller Blader? No, the rollerblader was just a worker, but he was the one that raised me. Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. You know what I'm saying? The rollerblader just did his thing, and then I'm the one that made my rank up.

Like, he was the top world. I made my rank from the top worker to being a boss on Creston to being on the indictment as a boss. Okay, so who was the boss that you were essentially this loyal to? I worked, I worked disloyalty? Yeah, this loyal. Yeah. And when I was loyal to, was my man Lou.

He was like, he was called Pretty Lou, Bonitio, he was the playboy. He had all the baddest girls that was on the block. If there was this girl down the block, that was fly, he had her. If it was a Spanish girl that was up on the middle of the block, he had it. If there was another girl in the corner, he had her.

All the fly-ish girls in that area, he had him. He was a playboy, good-looking kid, talking about jewelry, really, jewelry, big shit, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, they don't wear that jewelry no more. I mean, now they're wearing it, but he was one with the big Jesus head, Rolex on, diamond air rings, fly every day, birthday fly. It was his birthday every day.

Always fly sneakers, clothes, always shaved everything. Drug kingpin, man. Drug kingpin, basically. Yeah, yeah, wow. So you know all the girls liked them. So how did you become the boss? I basically became the boss because I was so loyal to him and he started doing the music. When he started doing the music, he started getting into like, there was another dude that was a boss.

That he's a rat, right? He did his first bid and didn't rat. Then when we got caught up in the feds, he ratted. So that dude was a boss. That dude wound up to get locked up to do time. When he went to due time, my man, Lou held it down, had everything. So this dude that was locked up, my man Lou is taking care of him and his family.

But he started wanting too much, Johnny. You know what I'm saying? And he started throwing a lot of comments. And my man said he was already making wild money. Now he'd start fucking around with the coat and all life. He's getting money now. Getting money, getting money, getting money now. Now once he started getting so much money now, he's like,

I don't want this dude to come home and I have to kill him. So he said, you know what I'm gonna do? Now he went to Puerto Rico and wanted to meet in like a fine, because he was a playboy, I'm telling him, he's a playboy. He meant nothing but fine women, but now he met one of the models for cover girl, Puerto Rico. So he was open on the girl. So out there, he went to Puerto Rico all the time. Before he said not go, because they had some beef out there, but the beef got taken care.

So now he's back in Puerto Rico. This is where he's from. Remember, he had to leave there. So now he's back where he's from With this money He's retired almost Yeah basically he's like You know what before this nigga

Come over here and fuck my shit up Johnny I'm gonna do this yo I'm leaving So when he was leaving I used to go to Puerto Rico with him at that time He started like in Puerto Rico la We used to go over there see the rappers Take the rappers out He used to bring him to the studio

What you want like if you was a rapper that you was Like on top right now popping He'll be like All depending on your status was All right, right now, you're popping right now. You're the hottest shit in Puerto Rico right now. And I'm going to give you $8,000 to record it for me, and I'm going to give you $2,000 for the beat.

That's $10,000. So you'll take the $10,000. Let's say if you was Daddy Yankee or whatever, you'd be like, all right here, $2,000 to God that made the beat for you and $8,000 for your pocket, but you don't get no more money off of that. You don't get no money off that song. And he might let you use a song if you came with an album,

or depending on which I did. But that is his song. You got $8,000, Johnny, for that song for him. So as he started going back and forth, remember he's getting money. Now before, when he was at, when he was at young, he's out there, like, there's a storm out there. Now he's getting money. Now he's staying in the good old terms. He's going out there in tension.

He meets the cover girl. When he meets the cover girl, he starts staying out there. He was already like, y'amma buy me a crib out here. He's already getting located. Now he hearing rumors from this dude, hearing a lot of bullshit from this dude. Once he comes home from prison, he's gonna smoke him. When he might try to get crazy, or talk shit or whatever.

Even though the nigga that was in jail, he was dead pussy. Like, he was only tough because he was around motherfuckers that he was with. You know what I'm saying? It was the niggas that he was with because he was pussy. He was never tough.

He just had people around him that put in work because of the loyalty, and that's how he raised. You know what I'm saying? So he was like, yo, before I get into a problem or I hear certain comments, because you can't make certain comments about people. You make a comment about you don't kill somebody

and they'll come and kill you. So he's like, before any of the comments or whatever, he was looking out from paying his rent, giving his wife doing everything. What the fuck more you want, bro? You ain't outside. But he wanted more, more, more. So he's like, look, I'm going to do this.

He said, I guess he was already, like, positioned himself in Puerto Rico. He calls me one day. Yo, Julito, where you at? I'm like, yo, man, my mom's house. He's like, yo, meet me over here by an apartment we had. So I go to the apartment. When I go to the apartment, he brings me upstairs. He'll roll up. I was young. I rolled up. Mind you, this dude is to leave me in the house with a million dollars

and tell me, don't open the door to nobody. I don't care if my mother knocked on the door. That door you don't open for nothing in the work. You see this key? I got the key. He would be like, get whatever girl you got, come in the crib. Buy whatever you got to buy in a store. You do not open this crib. Lift up, the gun right there. If you see a nigga breaking into here, start firing at the door. I will call you so when you hear the door open,

you don't fire and shoot at me. In a chest, I'm talking about a chest, like a chest. Stacks. Wow. 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 50, 50. I'm talking about nobody and he'll lock me in that crib. Put the chain on, put everything on there.

So I knew that it was him because he'll open the door and when he would push the door he's like, yo, yo, Julito, and I'll look and I'll see him and I'll push the door open but I'll look like and he said make sure he was coming because somebody could try to grab me

and bring me to the apartment. How long would you be in the apartment for? I'd be in the apartment from like he'll leave maybe about like 10 o'clock at night or you know he'll be chilling with me there and he'll tell me, Cole, call show you, stay in here, don't show nobody that money or nothing.

The chest was in the room. It was in one bedroom, They had the big plasma, I turned on for the lights. You know what I'm saying? I'd be smoking TV with the girl. So you were just a right-hand man.

Like you were loyal to him. He could trust you with anything. Yeah, basically he trusts me with everything. Okay, so continue. So now he calls you over. And he tells me, look, bro. I'm gonna tell you son. I'm like, what's up?

You're like, you're out of here. I'm like, my heart broke, you out of. Where are we going? He's like, nah, I'm going to Puerto Rico, this dad. This dad, I said, but what happened? And he explained to me, you know, I'm already doing what I'm doing. He was a big producer. I mean, he was getting money, his album or whatever.

Plus, he was really getting away from the weed because he was playing with them situations already. Those squares. Some squares. He was getting away from that already. Sure, he said, look, but I'm going to tell you, sucker. I don't want to have to, you know what I'm saying? Because I don't want to finish like that.

But I'm going to tell you something, my spot that I got out here, you got it now. I'm like, what? What you mean? He's like, right now, my spot that I got out here is yours. He went, got to pull out a bag.

He said, get started. Here he's six pounds a week. At that time, I didn't play with no coke or none of that. Like, I ain't know nothing about that. I'm the one that laid on, got into the mix with that. He like, take this way.

Take his gun. So you know how they say? I had to earn my Glock and earn my spot. Some niggas didn't earn their spot out there. That's why them niggas came up to be rats. Because their brothers went crying. Oh, let my brother sell his weed out here. I really had no big brother that was out there shaking.

You dig what I'm saying? So basically it was like that with me. That's why I came up so official. He said, look, you, right now, he could have put anybody. He said, first and foremost, you from here. You don't put on. You've been next to me. And I'm like, yo, are you serious?

Or you want me to just take the weed or sell it? I'll take half and give it. No, no, no, no, I don't want nothing. But the only thing I want you to guarantee me told me just like this, Johnny, I swear to God, he's up there looking at me right now, talking to you. He said, the only thing I want you to guarantee me

that if anything ever happens to me, I could come back over here and get money. I say, you know what? You're 100% ride. I gave him a hug, kiss them. Wow. He gave me the pounds of weed. He didn't leave yet.

Right, right. He said, take that weed. I ain't had no money. I ain't had no stash. Nothing. I was a young guy. I was one of these sneakers. How old were you at this point?

Like 16. I just came out of D.F.Y. Remember, I was 12 years old. I got locked up from 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, and I did three years in juvenile. But when I came out of juvenile, the world knows. I was belting them niggas outside, Johnny.

Hand game was crazy. What'd you go down for? I got down for types of shit. I was in school. They called me with $800. Like family court took me from my moms and put me like in a thing. Then I got caught with weed.

And I had so many cases that they put like my mom's kid and really. And I did three years in that juvenile defense. It was juvenile division for youth. Damn. That was like a little young spa foot. And you know, we're adult young kids before adolescent. Why? So this is why I had the jail bidding.

It's gladiators. Since a young kid, that's where I learned how to fight. That's when you used to fight the staff like your size, throw you on the floor, give you rug, birds, locked through in. You're on loss of privileges. That's when I know how to be in solitary. Right. What am I going to play with?

Find out. And then after that, two weeks of that, you're on time off or two. Then you come back out. You can deal with the population, deal with whoever you be with. But no lie, that's how I was. But when I came out at 16 already, remember, I was in there fighting with, I'm from the Bronx, I'm Hispanic.

I was fighting with Brooklyn, Queens, Manhattan, black, white. Because remember, over there, you're in New York City, so you're in New York City, you got a lot of the white kids, the baddest white kids coming from upstate. You know, bad motherfuckers that awesome, light up houses, all that crazy shit. Killer cats.

Yeah. Killing cats. They were not even, the motherfuckers was doing drugs that I didn't even know. They did. Yeah. Talking about, yo, yeah, I was taking shrew. What that?

You're taking shrews. that 12, 13? Damn, I'm taking ass sitting and all types of crystal meth. I never knew what the fuck that was. So when I came- So you knew the street game and then you learned the jail game

in juvenile. But I learned the jail game because I was smaller and I was young and my dad was always in and out of jail. My dad is like a stone cold jailer. Like my dad seen me in phases. You know, my dad seen me when I was like, like I was five,

then he did a five-year big, came home, I'm 10. Then he came home. I'm 17, 18 after that. I'm like, man, fuck out of it. You can't tell me nothing. This is what I'm doing. I'm the nair in there.

So I was growing up like that. So when he gave me everything, he said, here. So I basically didn't know what you do. I didn't even know how to have any bag up weed. He said, this is what you're going to do. You're going to take, but I already know about the ounce, quarter pound, half a pound. I already know what that's it. He's like, you're going to take this pound and you're going to take this little Ziploc bag,

put in a sandwich bag. bag because the sandwich bag, if you fill it up with the Arizona, more or less, you're going to hit is a quarter pound. So he would like stuff that, take that quarter pound, but don't take all the shake and leave the shake to the end. Take everything out, make them all even, the shake that's left, put an old for them, and bag them up by quarter pounds. So I bag up by quarter pounds. And then I learned that you make more money off of dimes than making off a nickels because the nickels was like this long limo bags. And then the dimes is like this. So I used to make street doms.

So after I used to make street doms, I used to work for other guys back then. And I used to even work for another motherfucker that's a rat too. You know what I'm saying? So he was doing like his brother went crying to the other rat that was a boss. Yo, let my brother sell. Let my brother get his pound away. So then after that, I'm like,

my nigga, I've been all my life pitching for motherfuckers. You know what? I don't want to work. I don't want nobody, Johnny. Like I'm going to bag my own shit up. I used to bag all my shit up by myself and go out there and smoke them. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, for a minute.

And then after that, I started coming up, coming up. But I always had my best friend, Ralphie, he passed away on me, you know what I'm saying? God bless him, daughter Lupus. He was a motherfucker. He was a bad motherfucker. I'm talking about me. Like, he used to be growing up when we was young, like me.

But he was always in and out of jail. So I would have him. You know, he'll manage the block for me. He'll eat with me, when we'll be eating, then he'll go. Once we're in the block, eating us, stay in the block. He was when he'll go chill on another block

with a gun, let some shots go and wind up getting a case for being over there. Me, it wasn't me. I was on my block focus. Okay, so you do hire all these workers. Yeah. Okay, so you got the, and then did Lou give you his connects, too?

No, I already knew the connects. Right, because you've been going around with that. Because you were going around with it. Right. And they already knew me. Okay. And I knew a lot of them because they were Jamaican, I would play dice with some of them.

I would play pogo with some of them. I would gamble with a lot of them, but I really knew all the connects because he'll take me. And then did Lou go back to Puerto Rico eventually? He went back to Puerto Rico. Wow. Now when he went back to Puerto Rico,

he was out there for a while. They wanted to get caught up in the news for like 300 pounds a weed. Oh, so he was dealing with weed on the island. Yeah, like after a while, after a while, like that he started making way more money because he was through to Texas. Okay.

And he used to get that bullshit away from Texas. Texas. Okay. So you... The little shit. Yeah, that fucking Bamer. We called that Bama, yeah, that Bama. Yeah, that Bama, but in Puerto Rico you can't get no weed.

So remember, the weed used to come like this, that little shit for $300,250. It just had to be green for him. They put three, five hundred them from Texas. Yeah, and you know the Mexican living, they want to get rid of that shit. Matter of fact, you're buying how many, 200? Take another 200, and he'll put them on the island. Now when he put them on the island, he would all the tough areas. Yo, what's up?

What's up? What you want? I'm about 50. a hundred. I'm gonna buy a 50, take 100. That's crazy. I had no idea there was a market for Mexican weed on the Puerto Rican island. Yeah, because you can't get no weed over there. That shit is garbage, but it's hard to get weed on our different island. Of course. So what they used to do was he used to have to connect. He used to have to connect from Texas to Puerto Rico. They put that shit on a barge, on a ship. That shit on an airplane. They had a bitch. They used to put that shit, come through and they wrap that shit, put oil for the dogs or types of shit.

Wow. Transporting that shit through all ways. They used to take cars like vans, cheap as vans, fill them shits up, cut the gas tank, fill a whole gas tank up a wheel and ship the car to Puerto Rico, pay whatever it was. When that car got there, when you received, they come in. Yeah. 200, 300, 400 pounds were five in a thousand pounds. All right, so Lou didn't get out of the game at all.

No, he got out there. he was doing that for quite a while. It's like, he never really got out the game because he's always so used to with his ideas and making money. So meanwhile, you're back here in the Bronx, how did you grow the business? From six pounds to...

I'm bubbling now. I used to waste all six pounds. Have no money for no weed, no nothing. Jamaica, give me 10... Just the name of the block and the name of me. Here, take 10 pounds. And I'll take them 10 pounds, sell 5 real quick. What's up what you got for me?

Shifting. How much... What you're... I got 10 pounds, I'm gonna buy five from you. Give me 10, here, take that 5,000 from Dred. Here, give it to Ross. Give me 10 pounds. Give me 10 pounds, I got the block.

You already know I got the block. So, Kinex, we're coming to you, trying to dump work off to you. It was dumping work on me. I was taking everything. If it was bullshit, and it was time, like, oh shit, I'm gonna have to take this bullshit, go sell it to Frank E real quick for bullshit.

Take that money, take that money, bring it to Ross, give Ross to 10,000. Ross gonna give me 30 pounds. After I take that 30 pounds, I'll go and shift up over here, give back to Dre. Here's your 10 pounds of bullshit. You game, yo, man, that shit is bullshit. Don't bring me that weed no more.

But I really made it come up on. Were there any, remember the droughts? Like, I'm old enough. I'm your age, kind of. Do you remember the drought season? Were there any droughts on weed? But it was so crazy because even if I found some weed that in Jamaica had maybe six months ago, he couldn't get out.

Like I had everybody. But I remember that drought. I used to run around from here to there. What's up? You got said, let me see it. Now that shit too good. Let me see, I got that. Yo, how much you want for that?

Oh, I want to 1100. There's no weed around. That shit got mad shake. New me in favor. You want to... All right, just send me all the bud you got then. Matter of fact, I'm going to take everything. What you want for it?

I'm going to give you eight. All right. I'm going to give you eight. I'll give you the rest of it. Yeah. But that block was Southern generating wheat. Like this, $10,000 a day, $13,000 a day, $14,000 a day in bags.

Just in dimes. Nine bags. That's fucking crap. Bags. Think about it. If I sold 700, times in one day, 700 dimes, each hundred is a thousand. I used to sell 12 packs of a hundred.

Wow. That's 12,000. So the business didn't slow down at all. Hell no, that shit started jakey. I mean, it got slow, the block got slow, because when I was out there working, I was moving 800 dimes. I used to get $8,000 stashes and knock them down in two days.

Right. So let's say, if I took it, three days to move 8,000 and a week I move three, let's say, 8 and 8 is 16. So I sold two packs of 8,000

and one week that's six days and then in the other day I would sell 400. So I was giving you $20,000 a week, me alone. And it's motherfucking 19 meaggers out there, 15 motherfuckers out there working.

That's why Lou had millions of dollars. And maybe he had, out of them, 15 workers that were out there, or let's say 20 workers, he had 14 of them. Okay, how many workers, did you have other young boys, like you used to be out there? I had young boys, old men, older crack heads, everybody. I had everybody out there. Really?

Anybody wanted to get money. Some dudes just wanted to get $100 to go sniff some coke or sniff some crack or do whatever they wanted to do. Wow. It was really no sense. So how many pounds were you moving on the, block and wholesale every week. I ain't gonna lie.

I used to get rid of me, like 50 pounds a week. Maybe more. I'm just doing your little guest. I used to have customers that come to me by five pounds today. He'll call me, yo, where you at?

You're at, yo, 10 in the morning, come see me. Here, give me 10. Boom. That's already 11,000. Then after that 11,000, somebody else will come. A dude who comes to me like, yo, let me get a dime of weed. I didn't even know here to take a dime of weed.

go to the park, smoke the weed, come back. Yo, let me get, yo, yo, you get me two pounds of the same wheat? He'll buy two dimes off me to smoke one and take the next dime and match it with the two pounds of weed to make sure I'm giving them the same shit. And you would sell a dime even though you were moving 50 pounds a week? I sold everything. Even when you were running the block?

At one point I didn't really do that. But if like the workers didn't want to work or sometimes they'll make so much money today that they were in a strip club and they didn't come out, It was over for them. I'll come out myself or I'll come out with somebody. Yeah. I'd be like, you know what?

Everybody knew me. Remember, I was born and raised there. Wow. I'm born and raised on that block. So eventually, the feds take all this down. Did. Can you explain kind of how that evolved? The feds basically took it down.

Basically, the feds took it down with the greed. Like, the feds got in because we was dealing with Coke. and another rat dude another rat he was like trying to be true trying to like live like something that he wasn't

oh this guy selling weed over there like what the fuck you weren't about them selling a pound of weed over there when we selling all this he got on like his head blew up like he wanted to get on some John Gotti shit

like some I rule the world shit but he was dead pussy that's why the empire fell down he was a rat he told it to a rat Okay, so this is, you caught your case in 2006? Yeah, I caught my case, yeah.

I got locked up in 2006 for a shooting. Okay. When I got locked up for the shooting in 2006, I got locked up in 2006 for the shooting. So you were running the block from the 1998 to 2006? No, no, no, no, no, no. My conspiracy went back. I got on, I got on the block like 2000, 2001 I got on, where I got my position. my position I called the shop.

Yeah. Okay, so you were out there running for like five years, moving all that weed. How did you see the business evolving? Was the weed getting better? The weed was coming out a little better year because at that time I started smoking good weed. Right.

So now that's when I will go out and selective men. I'll sell all this manu Pia wheat is Arizona. I might have one of my men's like a kid named O let's say, oh, he's like, yo, I got this sour. That's what I was going to ask you, the sour diesel. That's what the sour start coming out.

Before that, we used to go get the haze. Like, we're so weed, and I have a work out there or a dude that'll be there chilling with me. You know, like my homeboy, and he'd be like, yo, what's you doing? I'm like, yo, where you're going? You want to Manhattan? Yeah.

Go buy me 620s. So I got used to smoking that good weed because I was already smoking that mango pina shit, but it was good. But then I was tired of that shit already. So you know how the weed is. I start smoking out of good weed. Smoking a good weed.

Smoking a good weed. Now once I start smoking that shit, smoking a good weed, but the sour came about. Once that sour, that shit was different, that sour, I'm talking about that real sour diesel. Well, a pound of sour diesel in New York back then could sell for like $5,000 a pound, right?

Hell no, they were sending that shit for eight. Oh my God. 8,000 of that sour diesel. Now they got all this other shit. They're growing sour NY diesel, sour, boy, shit. So I'm talking about that sour diesel that police stopped me one time without a license,

And I had, like, you know, the little apple bag where the bag is come in, I used to take two, three bars and put it in that motherfucker. And I had that motherfucker inside my hoodie, and they stripped me down, they thought I had a pound of weed on me. That was just a couple grams.

The shit was just a couple grams of weed. So how did you guys work that? Did you have to pay $8,000, or could you get a better price? No, I ain't gonna lie to you. There was certain, like everybody wasn't getting that shit. So the motherfucker that was getting it, He was squeezing niggas nuts.

He wasn't even anybody breaks. I was selling the motherfucker point five for $20. I used to have to put the shit in a glass bottle that make it look illusional. Yeah. Bantlems falling on loa. I'm like, oh shit, I got to smoke this now. Cleaning the bottles, the glass bottles

because shit was so small for $20 that people don't want. Then I had so many customers that I used to be like, look, I'm not even, like, $20 for that? You fucking crazy. Look, look what I'm going to do for you? Give me 10, smoke that. The minute they smoke that sour d'is and they come back, yo, let me get five bottles. Let me get five bottles.

And we just started bubbling that sour diesel on my block. We were one of the first was sour diesel on the block. Because you had other weed, like some shit in Manhattan. I don't know if you ever heard Brands seen. Yeah. And then they had that pellet, the chocolate pellet, whatever the fuck that was. And I had a dude from Cali, oh my God, I seen them in the fans, to white boy red this motherfucker

was the king of growing back then I was with him in the feds but I knew motherfuckers I never met him but I knew guys that he was giving that weed to and he was the one so you didn't have that caught with like 400 like 300 pounds

so you didn't have a guy like me you needed a guy like me that was going to ship you over you know 20 of that like $5,000 a pound just fire ass me because what happened was you must have been giving it to Let's say you go, you getting that real, that good sour diesel. Let's say you're going to take wherever you're going in, OKC, you're giving it to that one guy.

Remember, a lot of people ain't growing at. The only one that's growing that is Johnny. And Johnny, and I'm not even going to lie you, I never really had no connect for sour diesel. I know what it was. The dude just to sell me three grams, three grams, a $3.5, you charge me $100. I know a guy that had that sourd diesel, he was selling nothing but to the rappers. He was sending them a three grams for $100.000. $100 a grand.

And we were going chipping. I were chipping with my man. He had 150, 150 so we could treat each other. And we stood by each other side by side to the jaw finished. As a matter of fact, road two bloods, take on home, and we're going to smoke this 150 treating ourselves. So how did your block manage then? Did you just have to buy smaller quantities and just break it down really small?

One was, yeah, he wouldn't have it like, he wouldn't have it where he would be like, I'm gonna sell you a pound he might have got maybe five pounds and you already know he squeezed the nuts out of that shit

yo I got seven ounces he'll sell this do three ounces that's when the ounces was 600 an ounce so how did that feel to go from like a guy moving so many pounds of bulk

wheat at a time to like going hand to hand it wasn't nothing to me because the sour d's who was just another it was just another element for us. It was just something that was coming in and it was coming in.

Because the ones that bought it, they knew that shit was going like this. So I used to be like, I used to take the sour diesel and before we got the weed, I used to put it in the Tupperware. So the shit don't band on you because once that shit stick to that bag,

you know that shit, get like this, shit be this big, it's over. So I used to put that shit in Tupper way. I used to give out packs of 30 here. 30, packs of 30, packs of 30. Tuppew in. And there was only one person that had seven

a sour diesel. Like when my man Lou was getting it, he would buy it from my man, oh, rest and peace. And I was the only one that sold sour diesel on that block. You couldn't, it was 40 workers. Nobody could sell sour diesel but me. I was the only one with sour diesel. So you did that same thing. You'd only give it to one of your workers. Yes, I was the only one that had sourd diesel. You seem out there with a Tupperweight. We said what you want. And then it basically, I just had it for all the players in the hood. Because only the players is going to buy $20, one blunt, only with $20. Right.

Okay, so time's moving on. Are you, you made a lot of money? I made a lot of good money. Yeah. I spent a lot of money. I ain't got a lot. I spent a lot of money in jewelry. I spent a lot of money in clothes.

I spent a lot of money in all types of young shit. Mm-hmm. You understand? Like, I spent money in a lot of bullshit. Okay, so how did the feds eventually take it all down? The feds got basically because it agreed. The greed. We were selling weed.

Like I told you, you could sell weed for million years and you ain't going to go down. Or you will go. But it's bullshit and it won't make none. You'll make so much money. And then you wind up, but we started fucking around. Well, harder drugs.

Started putting the coke in it. The violence came. You know, once the violence comes and once the coke comes, all that shit start making it hot now. Now they're like, hold up. There's murders. This is bringing this.

This is bringing that. The tension is getting things. Some people get caught up with Coke. Now they're like, look, people snitching on us. Because you tell somebody, you know, I know these guys are selling weed. They're like, well, where's all the weed at? You don't know where all the weed's at. What the fuck you're gonna do?

Lock me up 17 times. I'm gonna come out 17 times. It's how we're on the 18th time. But once we started doing that, the violence start coming in. Once the violence start coming in, that's when they started getting on us. You know what I'm saying? Then one of the rat dudes,

that was like up there with me. He was doing this. Now he was so soft that he never put his work in. He always had other people putting his work in. So now I tell you to put some working for me. You get caught up. Now you in jail with your ass busted, no money, no nothing. And they offer you 10, 15 years what they do.

Oh, I ain't doing that time. I wasn't getting the money. Yo, he sent me. And that's how it played out with us, basically. So you sent a guy to go do some work? No, no, I never put nobody to do no work for me. That's why I'm Julito. That's why I'm here right now to this day talking to you.

I push my own work in since day one. Well, if I did go on a slide with somebody or somebody went, I went on the slide with them. The other nigger was so pussy that he'd still try to put people to put work in for him because he was scared to put his own work in. And everybody know who I'm talking about. Oh, well, most of us don't. So we're going to need some details.

Gotcha. That's why I said that so you can ask me that question. So, yeah, who was the rat and what were the feds alleging? And, like, how long did they put, you know, make buys from you guys? It was like, basically, the rat was a kid that was working for us. Working for, they just had like a whole thing of rat. Like, they all got bit by rats and all turned it to rats. because it was like me and my brother, Ralphie, rest in peace,

and another rat that I was raised with, Master Splinter. You understand? We was all together, three of us together. As me and him grew up, we always was raised together from the sandbox. When me and Master Splinter was raised from the sandbox, he always been a dude that had always been jealous of me. So it got to a point that you don't really want to believe that about one of your friends. So basically, as I got older, and I told you that Lou gave me my own torch,

I could answer for my own, because I always have my nuts. Where my nuts go and my own plates. So he done things, Master Splinter, that I didn't like. So I told him, you know, we're not going to work no more. You're going to do you on this block, and I'm going to do me on this block. So now he started his own little click, and I have my own click, and we went against each other. You know what I'm saying? We're eating against each other.

He's making his money. I'm making my money. If his guys got locked up Or his whole team didn't come to work I didn't care I just shot more at them I just made more money I made more money Now he had a worker

That was working with him That him I guess Doing bullshit to the dude Doing whatever to the dude Wasn't paying to do his money Always with the oh I got you Don't worry I owe you I owe you I owe you I owe you

So now when shit goes down The rat dude Me and him got into words When me and him got into words When me and him got into words one time on my block, he was upset. He's always been upset at me. Like he don't always chase a lot of girls that I done had.

And he got more personal than me because there was a girl that I know from school that I was woulda. And when I got locked up on the block to do like 90 days, my wife, I told you I used to have like nine cases. He wind up fucking with the girl. When he winds up fucking with the girl, Johnny, now he feels a certain way.

with me. I used to never be like that. Like if I had a girl, that's my baby moms, that's my baby moms, you respect any other girl from the street that whatever happened between us, if you hit it, you're still my man. That's how players play. I'm not the type of nigger that I get tender dick or whatever, but

niggas act like they're not tender dick, but deep down the side, they really have feelings over a bitch. Once I knew you already hit it, it's nowhere in the world I would look at her his wife in it. Now, I would go and say, damn, that's Johnny's bitch, Does he feel for her? Does he really like her? If Johnny didn't give a fuck about her,

I'll shoot it down. But I would never in my life know that that was a squeeze. Even if you had your wife and that was a squeeze you had for years, I knew you had certain for years. It was a lot of feelings. That was a no-no for me. But then you got certain guys that are dirty that just chase their friends' girls. They like what their friends got.

I don't know if that's some gay shit to me. Because I think that's gay for you to be chasing every girl that your man got What the fuck? You want to suck your man's dick or son? No disrespect. And I don't need to say that like that, but that's what it is. So he was a type of dude

that was always like that. Like, if you had a girl, he had a girl, he'll always be because he had a little bit of money so he'll try to like stun on the girls on his man's. Like me, I would fuck the op. Any ops, I would fuck all the op girls.

Right. I don't care. You are an op-nigger, I'm fucking your girl. I don't like him fucking your girl, but not my niggas that I'm with. Right. Not my man that's with me right here that's holding me down.

don't come with me, he'd come with him. I could never look at his wife like that. I don't even care if they break up for 10 years. That to me is all limits. There's certain things you don't look. And this is what I learned about my man. You see what I'm saying? Certain guys ain't like that.

So that's why they grow up to me and come out and get that rat shit, they get the hate and the animosity. Because the dude always had more than me, Johnny. You feel me? He had more than me. Look, I'm saying it because you can see him straight up. But what happened with him was, he used to always chase bitches.

Or the ones that he liked. The girls that he liked, just the way I was, they didn't like him. They liked me and they gave me a, oh shit, he's cute, he's cool, he's funny. You know what I'm saying? And they gave it to me. But it was never no girl that was his girl. So make a long story short, his emotions, I guess must have started or whatever. His brother used to put me and him to fight when we was young.

I used to beat him up since young, and his brother is to pain me. And I guess his brother was the one that maybe started this. I don't know. maybe gave him the thing of them, you know, the complex, yeah. Complex, but I'm never nothing because I've only been nothing but loyal to this pig. So what happened with the case?

So now, as we growing up, now he winds up coming and we separate our separate ways. Once we separate our separate ways, me and him, now as we separate our separate ways, I'm doing me, he's doing him. Now it came when they was getting like, I had workers of minds, you know, the flow would shift up and down.

Maybe I got some workers lost. Maybe I don't fucked up some money. Now I got some bullshit weed. He got some good weed. All the customers ran there. So the flow keep coming back and forth. So now he makes a pole. They make a pole.

Him and the one that put him on, another rat. Because you see, I came from Lou. So the other boss was a rat. And the boss that put him on, he became a rat. So I guess the water they drunk was a rat water. They all came through the same rat pipe. See, my man made me stand up. Certain things you do or certain things you don't do.

So now as we doing that, I'm giving a story. The poll is there. They would tell me, look, bro, so we don't could avoid whatever. That's the pool right there. The customers go there. You study. Because before I was reckless, I was wild. I didn't give a fuck about nothing.

I'm born and raised on that block, Johnny. So I would be in front of that building, in front of that building. So they're like, yo, and they're seen animosity. Workers would be fighting with each other. So they're like, look, Urita. For everything to be thing, the pole don't pass the pole. I'm like, all right. Right? It was all right. So now he goes and does 28 days in jail when I've been going to jail all my life, bidding.

He did 28 punk-ass days in jail when he was like 35 years old or 32 years old. So I guess he had workers out there or he left some people trying to hold it down. But they were, you know, suckers be with suckers. So they didn't hold nothing down for him. Now while he's in jail, he's thinking he's supposed to get all this money and they tell him, yo, Julito's eating everything, who leto's eating everything. I really was because I'm out there with five of my workers

standing out there with them in the cold or whatever and come over here, we got it here. Matter of fact, take a dime, take whatever, take whatever. So when he comes out, he's in his bag because of that. When he's in his bag because of that, this is how the feds that got more into the thing already. When he got in his bag because of that, now he comes out of jail.

When he comes out of jail, I'm across the street at summertime, but my guys, Like my boy will come from another block, come chill with me. I got guys from other blocks that I'm chill. The difference between me and him was, he was just a local. I was everywhere. Like if that block, that block, I knew the gangsters from that block, they were cool with me, I'm go chill over there on his block.

My man, I'll invite me to his block on set with go hang out. I'll go hang out with him. I met him in school. You'll come to my block later, girl like to, I'll be over there chilling on that block. So I meet all the thud. I meet all the gangsters on that block. The other rat dude, he just stood on the block local. Oh, why are you going over there?

Why are you going over there? You know, conceited shit. I was never like that. I'm for the people. So now, when he talk about the pool now, now when he came out of jail, I don't know if he wanted me to throw a party for, for doing 28 days in jail.

From 28 days, you do fucking 13 days. Two and a half weeks. Shake that off. You need come outside and get that money. Like I've done, like my man Ralphie, rest in peace has done. So now he got an attitude After he has an attitude I guess he must in the next day

He's watching observing everybody coming to us To me and my guys So now he must have got a worker He went and got a few new workers Because whatever his other workers were no good Some of them even ship Jump ship on him But they were guys that I'm raised with

So come on y'all want to work come on Come on board you're my man for 20 years Come on so they jumped ship on him They came on me He got other workers from him other places. Now I guess when he got the other from work other places Johnny he told them you know that pool fuck that pull so now my nephew Adam comes from Texas because my nephew Adam raised it basically was raised in Texas you know his father's been military they

went all over he lived in San Antonio so I guess he got older my sister's real streaky start getting lazy you don't want to work my said like you want to get your ass out of here like I'm going to New York he came to New York So I knew my nephew was coming, but I didn't know when he was coming. So now my nephew gets to the block, X is the worker, the guy goes to the studio, you're like, yo, you know Julito? He's like, I don't know no Julito. He's like, you don't know who Lito?

He's like, you don't know who Lito? I don't know who Lito. But my nephew didn't know that he was like a new type of worker or whatever. He's like, you know, you don't know who Lito, now I don't know him. I bet. So I get the call, yo, Adam's on the block. You know, this is my nephew. I don't want him on that block.

Shit is going down. She'd be going down and he'd tell you, any drug block, anything can go around anytime. They were robbed shooting shootouts, so I get to the block. When I get to the block, I park at the pump. My nephew, I guess, must have went to like an avenue called Kingsbridge. That's like the main strip. Like they got pizza, they sell mad shit over there. When I pull up to the block, the kid runs on me.

Yo, yo, yo, what's up? Smoke, smoke, smoke. I'm like, smoke. Mind you, I'm outside with all the workers, all my workers. Like I'm there with them. This other dude wasn't like that. He'll just leave him and be laying back, riding around, living the movie. I'm outside with them, Johnny.

So now's me being out. I don't side with them, the dude comes up to me, he tells me, yo, what's up? But the pole's there, but he's all the way on my side. Yo, what's up? Smoke, smoke, smoke, what you got? What you got? I'm like, yo, homie, who you working for?

What you mean? Who the fuck I'm working for? So I look at one of the guys that got management. I'm like, yo, he working with us? Because I don't know, like, I don't put nobody on. They're the ones that put whoever they're gonna put on. So I asked him, is he working with us? You know, he's like, oh, no, he don't work with us.

He work with them. I'm like, you know, what the fuck you? So I'm like, why is this dude? He's like, yo, these niggas is a violate and they've been doing, I'm like, word, hold up. So I go down like, yo, bro, what's you doing? Bro, you can't pass the pool.

He said, oh, I don't give a fuck about the pool. Punched him. Oh, boom, punch his earring out, punched him, kicked him, stomp them, beat him up all crazy, grab them, threw him to the other side, grab this weed, do his weight over there. The fuck out of here.

The other ones that are working for him, they know me. I'm like, any of y'all pass you. this pole, bro, y'all know what this shit is. Didn't y'all want a poll? Now y'all gonna respect the pole. Because me, I didn't give a fuck. Leave it open season. Everybody run up and down. That's what I'm used. That's the way I was used to hustling. Remember I told you, that's how I always used to hustling. We're looting everybody.

Everybody eat. But they thought they were slick. Like, we're going to corner like this and we're just going to eat here. Now I'm like, everybody's working. Now y'all y'all going to respect the pole. Now, y'all didn't want the pole? Didn't he come home and say, we're going to respect the poll. Now, I guess, make a long story short, now I'm there. He's riding around wherever. the fuck he's riding around, E.A. because he was always running around. Now he comes to the block. Just the guy's fucked up, broke out, because he was, whoever he was, he comes now, he tells me,

yo, what the fuck, bro, but I've always gave him a little respect because, you know, he's, we raised together, you know what I'm saying? And I didn't really want to break the ice, but I was so tired of him already that I said, now is lit now. I said, what's you telling me? He's like, yo, that, you did that? I said, didn't y'all see a Pope? Didn't y'all see that? No, it wasn't me. It was, y'all working together, man, stop the bullshit.

So he's like, oh, but I know his family. We raised as the sandbox. Johnny, you understand? So I know it could go left. It could go crazy. And I was already at a point I'm not scared of anything. It's lit. It's lit.

Once I light that torture, they ain't no stopping it. So I told him, I looked at him in the face. I said, what you want to do, bro? You want to fight in the summertime, everybody outside. I said, you want to fight? I took my chain off. Boom, took the chain on. Even to my boy, here, take the chain.

Boom, I'm like, what's your want to do? He's like, everybody's looking like. He's like, yo, go get that. Go get that. Chino to a kid that I'm raised with. Chino was with him. With Chino, I raised him. He's with me.

You know, he's like, raised with us, but he's just getting money on that side. So I still have mutual love for a lot of them that was with him on that side because I'm raised with them. Just the condition, I understand you, Papa. I got a manager, you're a manager here. You're not going to pitch for me.

You know if something to open up, it's different. So Chino's like, you know, I'm not getting into that. I said, why you don't go get the gun? I told him, why you don't go get it? So when I tell him why he don't go get it, he don't do a motherfucking thing. Guess what the faggy shit he did? He got rid of my man,

know for managing for him, put another guy to manage for him, right? A kid named Grimmish, my boy Grimmis, he was another cool kid, but he brought Gimmis to the block. He wound up going and getting some guys, Johnny, to shoot at me. You did? He wind up getting some guys to shoot at me.

So when I go, I don't know this. You know what I'm saying? He went and got some guys, yo, I'm gonna pay you whatever, $5,000, take Hooli, throw out $10,000, or shoot him to, And when we got to the thing, he told people, yo, it was just that day he violated me.

He violated me that day. So I wanted to get some guys to scare him or whatever, whatever. But in the midst of him scaring me, he must have told his manager when you see Julito call me. So they had to drop on me. So I pull up to the block. When I pull up to the block, I pull up, I go to the manager. I tell him, yo, let me get $1,000.

Because the kid with the roller blaze, my man Mike on the skates, he used to gamble in the park. He's like, yo, come to the block, come to the block. He was mad money, his man money on his summer day. Jamaican's Indian, white boy, he's like, there's mad money out here. I'm like, I'm on my way. I'm on my way.

I get there. I got a couple of dollars. I got me a thousand dollars. When he gets me the thousand dollars, I grab the $1,000. And there's a whole, like, a fence like this. I go through the park. So his worker must have called him like, yo, Julito's here. He's like, what he got on.

He got on some blue shorts. That was like, you know, when the, you know, the blue shorts, the New York shit, the white team with the Yankee hat, white uptowns on. He's like, yo, he's here when he got on, boom. But the kid that call got the same shit on. So by the time the shooters came,

I'm already in the park. They come out the side of the park on my block. If you can look at it, 193, 192, they start shooting from a distance. Boop, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. This happened. Kid got it. They hit the manage in the head,

the same with that call for me. That he broke, wow, had him right in the head. Talking about the bullet skit, my manager that was my cousin at that time, he's another rack. David Marti, another rap, saying his name so the world can know. The bullet grazed him, the kneecap, with the jeans, he had a hole in the jeans. Shoo! Oh shit! The bullets hit foo, foo, foo, foo, hit the floor. They popped up, they hit a girl in the back, like, you know, like the fragments, hit an ass and all that.

And the one bullet that hit anybody direct when the kid went down the duck, right in the head. Boom! Done? Done, foul out. Oh no. Oh, so now I'm in the park, I hear the shots.

Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And I see somebody go through the park, I see them running. So I'm like, why the fuck, if that was us, that shot somebody, why would we run through the park? So I'm like, oh my God, I got my cousin, I got, you know, I'm raised there, family, man. I go running to the block.

When I go running, I'm running from like the park side all the way to get to our block because our block is like three big buildings and right across from it is a fence and it's a park, big park, handball, playground, basketball, everything. I go running. When I went running that I got to like,

when I climb up, that I get to the building side, his manager's on the floor curling. Curling. You know, his last. Yeah. Full shit leaking. Terrible. That's another guy seen dead.

Remember you asked merely if I seen guys dead. Talk about dead headshot. Like, I literally look. You could see the bullet right there. That's instant karma, man. This shit pouring, pouring, pouring, pouring. And he called in to have you hit. I'm like, oh, shit.

So now I'm like, oh, but it wasn't in my people. So I'm like, oh, shit, what the fuck? I don't know what's going on. One of my guys tell me, watchmaster splinter, bro, that niggas is a sneaky dog. And a guy that knew him, knew him that was raised with him, know his family and everything told me, watchmaster Splinter, he's a sneaky dog.

So that shit's thought in my head. So I'm like, oh, the next day, his older brother was always his narrative. Like when me and him were getting things, his brother was, oh, yo, y'all got a chill. But his brother would only come When it was favorite for him I used to feel And then? Because when he was making all the money

Fuck me. Leave Julito fucked up. So the brother, whatever, whatever he calls me You know where you are? I'm gonna park. Now I see him, I go see him now. Now mind you Johnny, I don't know what's going on. I don't know where this came from. I don't know if there's some girl that I'm, I don't know where this is coming from

Because remember I used to go to the clubs I used to fight, I used to cut people all that I don't know where this shit is coming from. So to make a long story short and I know when it's coming from, I'm like, I'm not dying. I'm walking around with a strap on me. He calls me.

I'm like, where you at? He's like, I'm in the park. But remember, my guy told me, watch Master Splinter, he's a sneaky door. So I got that in my head show before me. Where you are? He's like, I'm in the park, sitting on the fence. I drove by in the car.

I've got four or five of my guys jump out. We checked the vacation. You see, you know what I'm saying? Make sure you ain't trying to do no sneaky dog shit to me. He's sitting on the bench this way. I come from behind him. But when I'm walking behind him, he's like crying, that fake crying. I'm like, what's up?

Yo, man, they kill grimace, bro. They kill grimace. But me, I didn't kill a dude or nothing. So the cops, when they came, the detectives grabbed me. They said, you're going down for that murder. We seen you shoot him and run in the building. I'm like, man, eat a dick, man. Fuck you mean you see me, man.

That's my friend, you asshole. And if you did see me, but I know if they did get the camera from the building, they did see me come over him, look. Like, I grabbed this hand, like, and it was already, like, he was stiffening up already. He was already, like, you know that? The last nerves are jumpy, like, when they jump and then it's out. I saw like uncurbed

I'm like oh shit and I grab this hand When I grab his hand I feel that That stiffening I'm like oh shit Yo call the ambulance call the ambulance

call the ambulance call the ambulance I run in the building When I run in the building I'm like nah I can't be in this building I get the fuck out I ran out the building

I went all the way I didn't even smoke cigarettes Johnny I went and bought a pack of Newport I remember this I sat all the way on the other side of the park When I'm on the other side of the park, Johnny, I'm smoking cigarettes like they weed. After the second cigarette, I'm dizzy.

I'm nauseous. So many police. And it happened like that 7 and 8 o'clock, like, it's light. The shooting by the time the cops came, fuck, it was dark. Massive police, massive, massive, massive. I got low. Now I'm riding around. Now I don't try.

a snowmine. Now I'm in a car with a girl I got that I know that she's mine. Got the gun on me all the time. Two clips on me. I'm riding all around. Then after that, that's when he called me. Yo, come to the park. They kill grimace, yo. Yo, we brothers. We got this, this, this. I guess his conscience was killing him. Like, oh my God, I did something. Because like I show you from the rip, him and the one that put them all, both from them, they came out to be rats. They both bitches. How did the feds get involved after this shooting? Okay. So now, after this happens, the feds come now, right? After this happened

now, it's a murder now. Now there's a murder involved. As the murders involved, nobody knows about the murder. They grabbed me, they interrogate me for mad time. They knew it was in me. They checked the cameras. They see me running. I tell them, eat a dick. They let me go. Once they let me go, they grab one of his workers, the one that he didn't pay. Me and the dude get into argument, because he was his manager. He was like a little jail dude or whatever.

He's like, oh, that's why your boys don't even fuck with you. I'm like, bro, they can eat a dick, nigger. Straight up and down. They can eat a dick, nigger. I'm tougher than all of y'all. Y'all know that. And if you feel a certain way, you let me know. So he's like, oh, you can't, I'll run down on him one day.

He's in the building. So I go through the building. I'll come down on the roof with him to the gun. I'm like, what's up, what you want? Yo, I ain't got nothing to do with nothing, Julito. His name was little. He cried like a bitch to me. Now, the police knows he's always out there in front of him.

They grab him. When they grab him, they tell him, you're going down for the murder. They try to do the same thing they did to me. But I knew they didn't see me do anything. Now he comes Johnny and he sits in the prison for about 18 hours. They interrogating him. Yo, I don't know what's going on. Yo, Julito try to, I don't know, I think it was probably Levie.

Levy told me that if Julito ever fucked with anybody, get the gun, shoot him. So he's telling everything. So after that happens, they don't got nobody for the murder. Bunk is quiet. Now he goes again and grabs my brothers, the one I told you, Ralph, rest in peace that died. He grabs his little cousin and puts his little cousin to go,

yo, don't doze selling weed back there. like a botanica, that's like the church shit that they be doing all the Santa Maria. So one of the kids, when my man, not my man, because he's another rat, went to the guy and told him, you know, don't son, no way here, like, what you mean, I'm from here? He's like, bro, I tell you, don't son, no way.

We catch you son away here's a problem. When the kid walked away, he did. So his back. Wasted him? Yeah, he did like, he didn't shoot him, but he did like, you know what his thing like. So when he did that, they seen it, somebody else seen it,

and they told them. So he went back and got the gun, and came through the alley, and shot up to the Botany cop. Oh, poe, pop, pop, pop, po. This is all our public record. God damn. This is all our pace,

so this all our public record. This is why this is my case, so nobody think I'm saying something that it's not about, because I'm not, all my paperwork is clear for the record. Census minutes, plead minutes, and judge of commitment, everybody knows who leave those paperwork

is clear in the fed. So how did all these shootings, how do they tie this into drug dealing? So now what happened now. Now there was a detective because there's a book called NYP PD Green, Detective Luke Walsh. There was a detective that said,

yo, I got a case for you. Another detective. He gave it to a federal dude. That was, you know, must have been like his partner. He said, I got a case for you. I interrogated this dude. He said, this, this, this, this, this, this. You got to get into it.

So what they did was they took the kid Little, the one that they interrogated for 18 years. They started wiring him up. They start bringing him to the block. Now they're getting the sales like that, the pre-recorded sales. They're getting all the pre-recorded sales. So now they're making it a drug thing, right?

Now, as they're making it a drug thing, now the feds is involved. Now they're investigating the murders. They investigate in the murders. So they got enough already to know the faggot, the Mr. Splinter sent to get him killed. He went to send him killed. The one that did the shooting in the Botanica,

they already know he's the shooter because everybody from the hood knows him. So they told on him, Yo, that's such and such. That's cash. That's cash. Now they know who's cash. Cash is such and such.

So everybody in the area that was around that corner, they know us. We want to raise there. But they, with the other kid that got killed. So they don't give a fuck about us. They're like, yo, he got, he wound up shooting the dude. So when he said that he wound up shooting the dude, now they came, they already got him. Now cash disappears. He's in Puerto Rico.

They can't find him. So now they stop tapping Master Splinter's phone. Master Splinter's calling him in Puerto Rico. Yo, be careful. The feds is looking for you. But the kid, the other kid, the one that was doing the 18 hours, now he tells the Master Splinter, yo, what's up on my money?

You owe me, I need my money now because he's not hustling no more in the black. He don't want nothing to do with the black because the black is so hot. He's like, no, you owe me $16,000. I need my money. He's like, no, I don't got no money. So you don't want to pay me my money, you bitch-ass nigga. He started making flyers and postings.

him. You bitch-ass nigger, you don't want that killed Grimmis, you fagging ass nigger, you owe me $2,000. Took pictures of him, put a dick on it, made mad copies and stuck them all through our hood. While he's wearing a wire? This was before he got the wire. He started doing that first. Okay. Putting all the pictures, putting all the pictures, I guess that got to the cops and they found out it was him. And he told him, yo, the nigger owes me money. He went and killed the kid Grimmis. He wanted me to kill Julito, told him everything. So he told him everything. he was enough evidence for them to make a case now. Now they're gonna make the case.

They got pre-recorded by already. Now that's drugs and violent. Now when we snatch all of them and we shake them, some of them gonna start to tell. The ones that started to tell was the one I told you that was in jail, that my man Lou wind up leaving. He came out of jail. He got down with Master Splinter.

Now he don't have nothing to do with the murder. He was just a drug dealer sell weed. But now they got him connected for murder. Come on, because he got felonies. The one that actually did the shooting now, everybody's seen as him, so they grabbed them, and he wind up saying, damn, they got me already. But hold up, I did the shooting for Master Splinter.

Yeah. So everybody wind up going and they told on Master Splinter. He's the head of the indictment now. Everybody was telling that. Yeah. They went and told on dumb his crew. That was basically his crew that he was with. His whole crew told, none of my crew.

None of my crew told. Right. The ones that was with me, never told. All my guys that stood stand, they never told. That was him and his little crew that told. After they all told on each other, right, my brother Ralphie was the one that was the deal. But he was always in the out of jail. The one I told that he used to work with me.

At night, he'll go hang on this black and shoe. He put in that work. So he wound up going and telling him on two of my friends. He told on Ralphie And he told him my friend that right now He was doing 27 years My guy, Bia, that this is his clothing line That he's doing right now

He's in four dicks with Puff Daddy Wow You understand me? So he went and told on them And said, nah, them two did a murder So before they had him He didn't tell on nobody He didn't tell

He just went and tried to think That everybody was going to cop out I took 10 I'm taking my time Oh my good guys, they took their time 10, 10, 10, 10 Because that's what the conspiracy held after we all took our time out 10 years, everything.

Okay, hang on. So you guys get, your crew goes down as well. You all get, your crew and Master Splinter's crew are all part of the same indictment. Got it. Got it. Okay. And they had you on drug sales? They just had me on nothing.

All they had me was because people mentioned me. The rats mention me. Who's Julito? Because they had me on a wiretap. They said you were the one. I possessed pound quantities of marijuana. This is exactly what my indictment on my time says. I possessed pound quantities of marijuana and distributed in the vacancy of 2,600 Crested in the Bronx.

And they gave me a 924C saying that I protected my drug organizations with guns. But I was in the state doing seven years for shooting already. When this happened, I'm doing seven years already. So I didn't go down on an indictment with them. I was already in jail. After he tried to get me shot and all that, I was in jail. Now that was a shooting. I told you that he did,

that he shot the Botanic up. He shot the Santa Maria. So how did you fit in another shooting? Because you're on the street, obviously, when the murder went down, where they tried to shoot you, but they accidentally killed this kid that was part of their crew.

But I went down before them. I went down for a state case for a shooting in the state. When did that happen after the shooting of this kid went down? Yeah, that happened after the shooting that the kid got killed. Now they grabbed me. When they grabbed me,

they grabbed me for a gambling spot. For robbing the gamboling the spying. He was shooting in the gambler spot. I went to go play dice with some Dominican guys. They tried to put some fake dice on me. We came back and robbed the whole spot. Give me everything. I took everything.

Give me everything. The Dominican guys told on me. So now I copped out to seven years. Do you shot someone? Yeah, we shot one person, got shot in there. Man, people got hit in the head with guns, everything. So they gave me seven years for that. Okay.

When they gave me seven years for that, he stood in the street with his crew still doing activities. Yeah. That's when the feds came and grabbed them. When they grabbed them, they superseded me and brought me from the state. Come here. Get on the indictment.

But they only brought me on the indictment to show me, look, remember the shooting with Grimmis? That wasn't for Grimmis. That was for you. They know I know him all my life. So they brought me down to sell on him, Johnny. And I never told on him regardless.

Even though I found out that he did the shooting, that he tried to kill me. You know, that's everybody's justification. Fuck him. You try to kill me. I didn't tell. I took 120 months in the feds. I got my plead minutes.

I got my sentencing minutes and my judge of commitment. And I've been to all the jails I told you and I never told. So how did Master Splinter fit into all this? Because you've been calling him a rat the whole time. How did he rat? You know where he rat it? He rat it because the one that shot in the Botanica, the one that shot the Dominican kid in the Botanica that he went to Puerto Rico.

He got caught up. he wind up going and telling on his cousin, that's my friend Ralphie, my brother, the one I keep mentioning my brother. So what he did was after everybody, he rated it from the rip. The kid from Puerto Rico, once they got him, he came in, he said, yo, oh yeah, that shooting happened

because Master Sprinter sent me. And after they said Master Sprinter sent him, they put the other rat dude, the older dude, they put him on, he said, I ain't got nothing to do with that. He's the one that sent to get the shooting. So now he didn't rat yet, right? But guess what he did now?

After we all copped out, he thought by us copping out he was gonna get the last time. They wind up giving him three life sentences. How? Because they charged him with the two murders. They charged him with grimaces murder and they charged him with the murder that the other kid did. That's how the feds are.

So now he got two murders. So they charged him with the two murders. He got life and he got life on the drugs. Because he thought he was a rocket scientist. Now where he came out the stitch now was after he's doing his time in jail, he wind up coming and saying, I know about a murder.

What's the murder you know? I know about Ralphie and the kid B.I. They did a murder. And they wind up going and grabbing Ralphie. That's my code. And he had the same time, my brother, he was coming home like,

maybe like in eight days, they grabbed him, superseded him, chartered him for a murder, charred him for a murder. And that's what's called for the record. So you can know it's a Route 39. or Route 39, Route 35,

Route 39. That means you can be in jail, you could know something about somebody, you could go back to the district attorney, and you can tell on them. And that's what he did. So now he comes out and tells people that he won the appeal.

You did not win an appeal if you were rat. First, I mean, you did not win the appeal if they gave you two life sentences. You got two life sentences. He tried to tell everybody he's on Wade's podcast. Criminal, entertainment. That's the only podcast he ever did.

Okay, so Master Splinter got out of two life sentences just by telling about another murder? He told on the murder that happened. He gave up a murder. Do you think he... That seems hard to believe. Like, if I was a U.S. attorney

and I had a guy... No, no, no. If you know what happens? What he did was, when they grabbed him, he said, I know about a murder. Now when he says he knows about a murder, they say, hold up now. Let's go investigate this murder. When they investigated the murder, they're like, oh, shit, he's actually right.

Because he knew about the murder. I understand that. I'm just saying, like, it doesn't, I'm shocked that, because he's down for two murders. So why would, if I was a U.S. attorney. He got down for one murder. He got down for one murder was Grimus's murder. I see. The other murder that they try to mention in the Botanic, they charged the other kid with.

But the other kid told on him saying that he's the one that sent him. Like John Gotti and Sammy the Bull. See, Sammy the Bull told I did 19 murders, but I did 19 murders for Gotti. So they let him go because in the feds, they want the one that could send. The one that gets sent is the one that got the mind to send. If you're just a shooter, you're just a dickhead.

Right. I got the mind to influence people to do things. So he, so Master Splinter said he was sent by somebody else? No, Master Splinter was never sent by nobody. Master Spinter took his life sentence. They gave him for the drugs life and they gave him for the violence life. Right. For the, no, he got life.

Now he went and said, there's somebody in jail that's innocent for a murder that he didn't do. And he went and broke down that murder and told on my brother Ralphie and on my homeboy B.I. Told on them, reencanted the whole thing, and they went and got it. That's what a lot of dudes are doing now. That's what they said, how they mentioned with Meach and all that, that the guy came back later and said, yo, Big Meach went and told on me or after 50 years, this day,

do wind up, that's how they become telling that they rats and all that. That's what it is called a Brew 35. So he ended up getting out after not that much time. He did 10 years, 12 years like us. He waited, my brother died in jail. He got to wait for them to get sentenced. They gave my brother 27 years. They gave one of my homeboys 27 years.

They was going to give my brother 22 years. He died, he had lupus. He died in prison. He had to wait for my man, B.I. to get sentenced. Once B.I got sentenced. they let them out. Damn, that just seems so crazy. My point was, like, it doesn't,

if I was an assistant U.S. attorney and I got a rat coming to me with two life sentences, why do I care about another murder? You know what I'm saying? You know why? Because the guy that he told on, they're saying there's an influential man

that he can send people to kill. So he's about to be in the street. So he's more important to take down than you are spending time in prison. He's more influential. And if you don't believe this right now, it sounds like that, I want you to look up into this. And you're going to call me back and say,

oh shit, Julito is crazy. But that's what's going on with the game. That's why when a lot of guys are saying that they don't got paperwork, and that's why I mention this to you, that be bogus right now. And now we got a video. I got it on my phone. My man asking him,

if you had to go right now and sit on Ralphie, what would you have done? He said, yeah, I would have sat on Ralphie. What would you think? don't have to sit on him. I got the video for you right now. What does that mean? They asked them if you had to go right now and testify against Ralphie to say about the murder what you was going to do. He said I would have to sit on him. I would have to testify against him. Damn. So does he come around anymore?

Hell no. They don't knock his ass out already. He's trying to get on every show that I'm getting on. The world knows he's a rat. I got him on a phone. I can't even give it to you so you can record. Maybe we'll put it up in the, maybe we'll put it up in the video. Wow, that is a, that is a fucking wild ass gangster tale that unfortunately ends all too with ratting.

That's nasty stuff. This is my whole thing about my whole story I talked to you about. Ain't no glory in the street story. And that's who Leto's saying. Ain't no glory in the street story because this was my brother. The other dude put in mad pain for him

and when his ass got caught up he didn't take his time like a man look he even sent for me to get killed that I'm his brother he wind up going killing his own man that he brought you understand me and now he's outside in the street

trying to pluck to people that I'm a rat how the fuck am I rat if I've been the big sandy I've been with all the gangsters everywhere they call my fault to this day if you've been in prison or whoever been in prison know what it is

There's nowhere in the world. You're going to a USP. You're going to a jail, and you're going to be around rats because you know how this goes. You need to run with a car. So for the ones that say you don't run with a car, if you ain't running with a car, is either two things.

You're a child pedifier or you're a fucking rat. Damn, dude. Only the good die young. Only the good die young. Well, I want to talk about prison because you have a fucking crazy incarceration journey. But we'll do that for part two. Hulito, that was amazing.

So just for the record, you did 12 years? I did 10 years. 10 years? I did 7 in the state. And I did 10 in the feds. That's 17, bro. 17, but it was different because I did it. It was all concurrent.

Okay. So how long were you down? I was down for exactly. I was down for 10 years and a half. Okay. Because I called my state bid first. And then after I caught my state bid, this was when the Fed thing happened.

They brought me down to the feds. Mm-hmm. And then I got jammed in the feds with them. So you've been home for a couple of years. What is the Bronx like now? What is home like now? What is home right now? It's totally different.

I'm right now just trying to give a good message to the kids. Like I told you, ain't no glory in the street story. All that shit about my homie, my cousin, my brother. All that shit is not real. That shit is all fake because when the shit hit the fan, motherfuckers do tell. Because the nigga I told you about Master Splinter is a dude that we raised with from the sandbox.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? How did Lou end up dying? Lou died of an overdose. Oh no. Yeah, Lou died over... Kingpin Lou. Yeah, Kingpin Lou.

We loved Lou. He died because he didn't even know. He was popping M30s. And then he got caught up with some fentanyl M30s. Oh, fuck. And he thought they were like regular M30s, and when he went to pop the M30s, them shits was fentanyl. So it was like 1M30. He popped 1M30.

That shit was like 60 of fetno. He didn't even know. That's when they was just pressing them shit. And then two of them shits and went out. Nobody gets out of the game, man. He was the one that really made it, too. He should have been been retired. Do you feel lucky that you're here, healthy, standing?

I feel, man, lucky to be right here talking to you, giving my story. Yeah. Yeah, I feel like I'm the luckiest one. Yeah, man. It could have been so much worse, bro. You did. I try to get killed me, they tried to kill me two times. You understand, the rat one, I told you the rat that was in jail, that was B-Fing with Lou.

He tried a one-time set me. me up with Lou and lie to Lou and say that we robbed them. So I went to Puerto Rico, you know, Lou's the big homie. Can't allow that. Damn, Moolito, you robbed people. Luckily, he did his investigation because they was going to kill me in Puerto Rico. And it didn't happen because Lou, you know what I'm saying?

Lou went and was like, yo, homie, hold up, did his investigation. And then I had this master splinter to take my spot. I guess he was upset that his baby moms that he has five kids or three kids with, you know. It's a fucking mess, bro. Just go get your book. Shout your book out, man. And your Instagram.

You already know it's the United States of America versus Julito, Peso Diaz. My new book about to come out soon, true, Carmen's son. And the whole new movement coming out ain't no glory in the street story. Man, you are one wild-ass Bolíqua. I'm so honored to have you here today, sir.

Thank you so much. I really respected Johnny for you. you having me here. Johnny Metchew, thank you for having me. My man, my man. We're going to talk a little more. We'll see you guys over for part two with Julito over at the Connect. Peace.