The Connect- with Johnny Mitchell - Inside The Corruption of Texas Prisons: Drugs, Riots, Gangs & Deadly Guards

Episode Date: June 14, 2026

In episode 2 of the Tim G miniseries, Tim dives into a raw and intense firsthand account of life inside one of Texas’ most violent prison units. He breaks down what it was like arriving young, white, and unprotected in a heavily segregated environment where respect had to be earned fast. He talks about the politics between prison gangs, corrupt officers, contraband hustles, riots, extortion, violence, and the daily survival mindset required to make it through. From guards being flipped for drops, to inmates running serious money operations behind the walls, this conversation exposes how chaotic and dangerous Texas prison life could really get. Tim also reflects on how older inmates taught him discipline, street wisdom, and the importance of carrying himself with respect — lessons that shaped the way he moved both inside and after prison. A brutal, unfiltered look at prison politics, survival, and the hidden economy behind the walls. Topics covered: Texas prison violence, prison gangs, Bloods and Crips, Mexican Mafia, Texas Syndicate, contraband, corrupt guards, prison riots, extortion, survival, redemption, and life after incarceration. Go Support Tim! IG: https://www.instagram.com/tattoos_bykriminalkustoms/ Join The Patreon For Bonus Content! https://www.patreon.com/theconnectshow 00:00 Intro & Life in the Most Violent Prisons 01:14 Terrell Unit: The Worst Prison in Texas 02:57 Death Row, Security Changes & Contraband 07:06 Prison Hustles & Black Market Economy 12:17 Adapting, Survival & Earning Respect 18:29 Race, Gangs & Violence Inside 21:15 This Episode Is Sponsored By Shopify 23:13 Respect, Snitching, and Survival Rules 32:38 Corrupt Guards, Prison Parties, and Lessons from Older Inmates 42:47 Riot Stories & Texas Prison Politics 44:30 This Episode Is Sponsored By Superpower 46:13 Racial Conflict and Survival Fights 54:42 Initiations, Tests & Early Survival 01:10:24 Prison Hierarchy, Hits & Corrupt Guards 01:20:00 Violence on the Inside: Stabbings & Fights 01:34:08 Race, Respect, and Code of Silence 01:46:03 Bloods, Politics, and Earning Your Place 02:00:04 Endurance, Anxiety & Becoming Hardened 02:14:43 Self-Reflection & Emotional Toll 02:16:49 Wrap-Up & Outro Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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free of charge. BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with Eye Gaming, Ontario. Polonsky has the most cameras in the prison system because all the murders that happened over there. Every day you come out, you're wondering what's next. I've seen plenty of guards get after it with inmates. Dudes could just come up and get your cell popped and run in and stab you to death, and I would sleep with fake body armor around me at nighttime. People used to call me a silent killer.

Just like accepted that I was going to be a prisoner for the rest of my life. What happens when a 17-year-old kid gets thrown into one? of the most violent prison systems in America. He becomes an animal, and that's exactly what happened to Tim Greisheimer. In this episode, Tim takes us deep inside the belly of the beast, exposing the violence, brutality, and corruption of the Texas prison system. From fatal stabbings in the Chow Hall to guards murdering inmates to working on death row at the infamous Terrell unit, Tim has seen the worst of humanity. This is part two of a five-part series we filmed with Tim. So to get the other episodes early, head over to patreon.com slash the Connect show.

Ladies and gentlemen, he blows the lid off this one. It's the great Tim Greisheimer, right here on The Connect with Johnny Mitchell. Terrell was like at one point in time, I want to say it was like the worst unit in the nation. Like when I got there, I remember my mom wrote me and said it was like the worst in Texas at that time. And there was like so many riot, like murder. happening between like the Mexican mafia and Texas syndicate. And I think the pistolleros were involved in some of those two. Where like my mom drove five hours to come in. And just because who I was hanging out with,

which I don't even know why they would do this because I wasn't Mexican, they wouldn't even let her come and see me. Like they were regulating. Like my mom said they had a paper. It's like the count sheet that has all the names. bunk numbers on it and fucking my name was highlighted. Like that happened multiple times. When I got put down, there was officer.

I'm not going to say his name. I don't know if he still works there or not. So my homeboy, E&J from Fort Worth, I think he murdered somebody in the mall or something like that. So he was on death row and he got convicted when he was 16, I think, 16 or 17. So he was on death row. He was still on death row when I made parole.

But Texas wound up passing a law saying if you were like 17 or 16 or some shit that that punishment was too harsh. So he wound up getting his time commuted to a life sentence. He was on the front of the papers and everything. So he got out. So because death row is like a higher security, say an officer. is like a sergeant on death row. If they come out to population, they automatically up them to a lieutenant

because of that security level. So my homeboy, E&J, he put a law down that was a ranking officer. He made him affiliated. And this motherfucker, he gets out, right? He comes to population. So now he's got a higher rank.

He's working on third shift. And this one, they still had all three shifts because they moved to two shifts, if I'm correctly remembering the history. And so now they're like 12-hour shifts, four-on, four-off, A-card and B-card. So my homeboy pork shop from San Antonio, he is a BSV, a Bloodstone villain. I used to call him a... He used to call me like a pink little snow bunny pink-a-woo. And I used to call him the chocolate marshmallow because he is like short and chubby.

And he had like a little like small fro as much as he could have. because in Texas, they don't let you grow your hair out. It's not like other states. Like, before, when I went back to prison the second time, it was like my second or third year in my bid, they just started letting us have beards. Like, that's how strict Texas is. Like, they don't play that shit.

So he put this law down with blood. So we're on three-bill, and we're all chilling. And all of a sudden, it's almost rack time. It's late-night rack. It's, like, close to 12 o'clock at night. So the lady comes in, the guard, she comes in and she gets pork chop because E&J tells him to come and get pork chop. But nobody knows what's going on because there's been no kite, sent, no nothing like that.

So she's like, you need to go to one building. So on like Friday, Saturday night, if you get called to one building that late at night, it usually means you're getting U-Aid at that time. So we're like, damn, fool you getting you-aid? So we're thinking like, who the fuck told it? Because at this time, there was like no, if there were snitching in the penitentiary, it was so fucking low-key. Like, so at this time, Ontario unit, if a riot happened,

like, or say the SAs were about to kick it off with the SAs or the whites were going to kick it off with the whites, they would come around to the other gang leaders and tell them, hey, you guys got a week to make store or send money to your people who don't have money. And this is before snitching became prevalent. but snitching stopped all that from happening, right? It was really when they enforced this thing called the Safe Prisons Act, Priya,

and you started seeing this, like, this, like, rap with a stick. Like, I guess it was like an extortion rat or some shit. So long story short, bro, pork chop goes to one building. He's gone for a minute. So I think it was like around 12 o'clock, 11, 12 o'clock. He comes back close to 2 o'clock. But the female officer that came and got him, she was involved in this shit the whole time.

She knew the whole play. She brings him back, escorts him all the way back so he doesn't get shaken down. Comes in, she tells him go straight to your cell. So, like, taro's like the newer unit, it's like doors. You can get individual doors popped. And back then it was so wide open.

You could just, like, go up to yourself and be like, hey, pop my cell. You didn't have to wait for an in and out. You could just get him to pop yourself. So he goes up there, he pops his cell, puts his towel up on the door. And I'm like, the fucks, We're all kind of looking like the fuck just happened.

So next of you know, he pulls the towel off one side of the window. He's like, look out to you. I look up. He's like, so I look, I'm like, come on, fool. So we shoot upstairs. This law done dropped off to this fool. I'm talking about this motherfucker's wrapped with goddamn saran wrap, like the big, they package the boxes with.

So the law done wrapped this motherfucker up. This fool's got bud, packs of bugler. he is strapped to the fucking tea with work, bro. And I'm talking about we were on fucking fire, dog. Like, everybody had it. This is when, like, the Bloods were like, dude, like Ontario unit, like the Bloods, we had the most fucking respect.

And then we got into a riot. This led us to get into a riot because one of our homies got jacked for a pack. And this is what got us respect from the Mexicans. So, like, I don't know. Can I cut you off from a point? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So your homie was able to flip this guard so much that he had, he was like a mini 7-Eleven.

They wrapped him. They wrapped him. With all this contraband. Yeah, with all this contraband, bro. What was there? Tobacco. It was tobacco and weed. And then I think there was some powder there.

I know they had, I can't remember if there was powder that time, but there was powder later on involved. When you say powder, is you talking about meth? No, Coke. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, they had that, dude. They were... So you can bubble like crazy off of that.

Fuck, yeah. What was one of those sticks, like a tiny tobacco stick selling for? No, the tobacco, you would... They would roll maybe like some small joints, but usually motherfuckers, I used to call them baseball bats when I used to sell them. I used to call them Louisville Sluggers.

So I would try to flip them joints like as big as my pinky just to get them gone. But they would sell pretty... fast squares. It was the joints that were stupid small. Like a pen, an ink pin. You know how the tube is like super small. And one of them motherfuckers like five bucks all day long. And then, you know, the pencil sharpener, the little miniature one, that pencil sharpener, that little hole right there, if you filled that up with Bud, that's like 20 bucks, 20 to 50 bucks, depending on what's going on, if you filled it up with coke

you're looking at a hundred a hundred to whatever a hunter minimum was there money in Texas state prisons like that fuck yeah bro I sent you that fucking article on polonsky not too long ago dog like bro motherfuckers

get it in they ain't playing around dude they're fucking they'll you can't even write in there anymore because you used to be able to write because motherfuckers was taking that that K2 liquid and sprang it on on cards and dudes were cutting strips of cards and these fools were just smoking card, like smoking the chemical, like getting fucked off on that shit.

Like, there was a new death every day in Texas prisons from that spice, that K2 shit. Them fools are out of there on that trash. So you hadn't yet really put your hustle down. I mean, you had sold butt on the streets, but now you're in prison hustling. So you were taking care of yourself. Yeah, yeah, yeah, hell yeah. Did that feel good? Fuck yeah, because A, I didn't really get money on commissary, but B, so when I was a kid, when I hung out on the block, I always hung out with the older guys.

And the older guys always fucked with me. Like my homeboy Ray and him, their dad, he's passed away. His name's Ray too. He used to call me his white son. This dude would let me get, he had one of them old late 80 link baskets. You know what I'm saying? And the Lincoln, I think it was the town car, he used to let me at fucking 15 years old take his Lincoln town car across town full of bud and make drops.

Because he fucked with me so hard because how I was. I was very quiet. I didn't talk. I didn't brag or boast. People used to call me a silent killer. They'd be like, that's a silent killer right there. Like, I didn't do no talking. Like, I wasn't about talking about it.

If I came and told you, hey, bro, I'm about to go fuck Trevor up. Like, I ain't telling you that so you could try to talk me out of it. I just be like, hey, hold this. I'm about to go take care of this real quick. And there was no talk about it. Like, I'm taking care of it. If I told you at all. So I always had older dudes telling me to take care of myself.

So when I went to prison, this is why I stopped stealing. Because I went there for burglary, and they used to clown on me calling me a cat burglar. Oh, you cat burglar, you sneaking in people, you sniffing panties and shit, sneaking through people's window, oh, coward, you weren't down to take it. I'm a robber. I took that shit. So it made me feel some type of way that it made me, they weren't doing it to clown on me. They were a lot of, I was the youngest dude Ontario unit when I got there.

They wanted to PC me up. They didn't want to let me in population because they figured I was going to get raped and taken advantage of the warden told me that. So when I came out to UCC and went to UCC, I gave my name and my TDC number, and then he looked at me and they saw that I fell out of Bell County. They know it's a military town. Even though I wasn't a military brat, they thought that I was one. So they go, are you a military brat?

And because my grandfather and all of them had been in the military, I just said, yeah, at a reaction, I didn't think it would affect, like it would benefit me. So I was like, I was like, yes, ma'am, yes, sir, yes, I'm a military brat. And they go, what the fuck are you doing here with this burglary case? And he was like, man, he's like, put him in PC, ship him. And then I was like, I was like, nah, I don't do that. And they were like, what do you mean? I was like, man, I don't want that type of jacket.

Don't do that to me. You're just going to make it hard on me. And then the warden, he was like, you know what's going to happen if I let you out in population? He goes, you know what happens the little white boys like you? He's like in a week, if even a week, I'm going to be at a week. I'm going to be out by that phone when you're going to come by and chow Cool off.

It's this little Kool-Aid they sell in prison. They call them cool offs they used to. I think the name is changed now, cool down or something. He's going to be walking by with fucking peach cool off on your face wearing tight-ass pants and you're going to have a fucking different name. He's like, I'm tired of seeing little white dudes done.

And he's like, and I'm retired military, I'm not going to let that happen to you. And I was like, I straight told him. I was like, sir, I'm not going to disappoint you. I promise that it's not happening. and please let me go to population. So I had a chance, which at this time in Texas prisons, you couldn't catch out.

Like how in other prisons people can refuse housing. You can't do that in Texas. You can kind of do it now, but back then, you couldn't do that shit. You couldn't even, how I'm talking kind of loud right now, like if me and you got into an argument, and then I was like, man, fuck you, pussy-ass motherfucker, who come over you?

Like, that was like catching out on the cool. Like, you were trying to make a scene. if I had a problem with you and I wanted to fight you one-on-one, it had to be professional. I had to come up to your people. If you were running with somebody, hey, Johnny disrespecting me. I want to, you know, get,

the blacks would kind of get down like that. But not even that often. But the whites and the Mexians, they kind of enforced that professionalism. So I wanted to go to population. I could have caught out. Like I could have, nobody would have known. I didn't know nobody knew me.

So they could have put me in, PC and shipped me all for the fact that I said that I was a military brat, but I didn't want that I wanted to go to population. I wanted to prove myself to be a man that I could walk through this shit that I could fade it. Were little white boys getting raped like that? Fuck yeah. Fuck yeah, dog, all the little pussy-ass white, but they weren't the only one, bro, like blacks were gambling on blacks that were coming in. You see little black dudes coming in and they had gamble on if they could break them and take advantage of them.

The families, they were doing the same thing. They were extorting other Mexicans. That's why, you remember on the first podcast, I talked about the Tango Blass. So like, you know, I ain't trying to disrespect them or nothing, but like when I was in prison the first time, where I was at, I can only speak for where I was at, because everywhere, you go is different. Bro, like, when

a new essay would come onto the pod, they would go up to them. They would hit them up first, and they would be like, hey, are you Solano, are you Fama? Are you blasting? What you're doing? And if they said that they were solo, Solano, if I'm saying that correctly, then they would say, if you want to

fuck with us, you can fuck with us. If not, you're going to have to worry about the Famas, which is the families. And they would protect Solos. Now they don't do that. don't protect them no more, but back then, at least on a taro unit, they would kind of protect solos from the families praying on them. You know what I'm saying? Because they're going to have you do all their dirty work and their bitch work. But yeah, bro, dude, there was a white

dude in there that had murdered his whole family named Billy who was in there getting fucking straight up. Done in, bro. A certified killer getting straight done in. Well, why? Is it because you get tested and you refuse to put up a fight? I guess so. Man, he was riding with a dude named Big Whirl. I'll say his name. He was riding with Big Whirl.

Big Whirl wasn't doing anything sexually. He was extorting him. You know what I'm saying? So Billy made a comment to me on the basketball court. He was like, man, I sure like to suck his dick. And I turned and I looked and he was looking at me. And I was like, I was like, say, fool, and me not knowing how to handle it because it was like my third week in the joint.

I was like, my third or fourth week. I hadn't been there no longer than a month. And I was like, and I was itching to prove myself already because nobody had came and challenged me or backdoored me. Like nothing had happened yet. So I was like, I was like, fool, fuck you talking to like that motherfucker? I'll smack the goddamn shit out of you. I'm all roaring trying to be hard. So next thing I know, well, my cellmate, Big World was his cousin.

So I was in there asleep. And next to you know, I hear a knock on myself, do, do, do, do, do. And I look up and it's this big-ass black dude sitting at my door with Billy and another punk, a white boy named Bigfoot, who had like some ski boat fucking tennis shoes. He was a weirdo who was in there for murder. He murdered somebody. He was getting extorted. So he's like, you, Tim?

And I said, yeah, he's like Temple, right? I said, yeah. I walked to the door and he's all like, come out here and holl at me, bro. So he looked at the law, hey, pop the cell, fool. So I popped the cell. I come to the door, he opens up the door. This fucking motherfucker is massive, bro.

Super wide. Big old fucking arms. I don't even know who he is. He's all like, you talk shit to my boy. That's what he called him, my boy. And I was like, yeah. And he's all like, oh, what happened? I was like, man, we were on a rec yard.

And he said, I sure like to suck his dick. He's like, so you threatened him? I said, yeah, I threatened him. He's like, well, if you threatened him, then you threaten me. He's like, so now you got to answer to me, motherfucker. He's like, and I don't give a fuck who you fucking with. I don't care who's got your motherfucking back. And he's talking loud.

And back then, now they got flat screens in there, but back then they had like the little small TV, he's just one of them. So he turned around and pointed to the day, and he goes, I don't give a fuck about none of them bitch-ass white boys. he's over there. Ain't out, I'll whip every single one of them hos. And these are all family members. I'll whip every single one of them hos. They don't want nothing with me. He's like, yeah, you're not, hell, nah, fool, I'm about to come up in your cell. And as he's saying that,

my celly's coming in, he doesn't even realize that this is his own cousin's cell, because he's so hot that I didn't check this dude he's paying protection to. So I was like, I was like, well, I was like, we can just catch the shower, dog. You ain't got to come up in here. And he's like, He, like, caught him off guard. He's like, what? I was like, no, we can catch the shower. I ain't trying to fuck Marcelli shit up. I was like, but we can catch the shower, though, bro.

Let me put my shoes on. So I go, and I put my shoes on, and he's looking at me, and all of a sudden, my celly comes up the stairs. He's like, well, what's up? They shake hand. They start talking and shit. And then he looks, he's like, this your cellie? He's like, yes, Marcelli, what's up?

He's like, oh, shit, man, we're about to catch the shower. He's like, about what? Oh, he checked my boy, woo. And he looked, he started laughing. and he had a crazy-ass laugh. He's like, man, what happened to him? And I was like, man, that fool talking about he sure liked to suck my dick. I was like, so shit, I was like, he talked about he wanted to come up in the cell.

I was like, I ain't trying to disrespect the house. I was like, so shit, I guess we just going to have to fade that fucking shower, bro. It is what it is. And he was like, man, y'all cool that shit, woo. And then he's like, man, that's my silly bro, a cool-ass white boy. And he just off of that strength, he left it alone. And then he turned around and slapped that punk for saying that too. me, but I found out later on that that punk had killed his own, his whole family because he was

on 60 minutes. 60 minutes in 2020 came to that unit all the time. Because it was so violent and the violence and, and because of there was a lot of high class cases there, high profile cases there, like there was some cases, some black dudes and a white dude got caught up with them. Cash Love. I'll never forget his name, Cash Love. They were from like some small East Texas.

town. They busted them with a bunch of keys of Coke, but it was, it wasn't Coke. It was like drywall. So they didn't catch them with anything, but the laws, one of them so bad, they put fake, I think it was kilos or something. You can look this up. I'll look it up and I'll send it to you of Coke. They were interviewed by 60 minutes in 2020, I think twice. And a law firm of kids or something, like pro bono picked their case up and got him out. And the cash love, he had like, 485 years. Like he got the most time out of all of them. White dude who ran with a bunch of Crips.

But he wasn't claiming Cripp, but the Crips still fucked with him because of who he was. But he was solo, but he was a cool motherfucker. But there was a lot of high-profile cases there. This episode is proudly sponsored by Shopify. When you start something new, whether it's a podcast, a side hustle, or a business,

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Did you see a lot of that? Where it just people's years that made your head spin. Yeah. Like, how was that even humanly possible? Yeah, there was a judge in Houston that would like pick up, I think it was Nichols or quarters or something. And he had tossed him to you. And whatever you caught, whatever hit the ground is how much time you got.

I can't remember his name. That's a true story, bro. There was a bunch of dudes with time like that there. Like when I was on Terrell unit, like everybody had. Massive time. Massive time, dude. But what's crazy is all the guys with that massive time were the coolest motherfuckers, because they knew they were never getting out. So that's why the respect level there was different. Like some guy with five, ten years, try to come and start some ruckus. That motherfucker got his ass stabbed the fuck up. Like there was a dude from New York that came there. He was a loudmouthed. He had like five years. They killed that fool. They stomped them to death and they choked him. with the shoe string, tied it around his neck and put him in his cell.

And because it was so wide open over there and the laws didn't get in your business, they didn't find him dead for a couple days. He stayed two cells down for me. When they pulled that motherfucker out, his head was swelled up like a fucking basketball. And they killed him just for being a loudmouth and always talking to the laws.

They're like, why are you always talking to the laws, fool? And he had like five years, six years. And the people with the big time, I don't remember who did it to them, but they, they, they, because you could get your door popped all the time. That's why I was so dangerous over there. Like, when we got into that riot, my homies had shanks pass to them through the scullery,

where the dishes, that's why the SAs respected us because in Texas prisons, blacks don't play with knives like that. They don't play, I don't know about no other states, but in Texas prisons, blacks don't really get out with the steel like that. so when they seemed that my homies got down with the steel like that where they were at it brought us to a different respect level with the Mexicans but when we were in that beef because dudes could just come up and get your cell popped and run in and stab you to death because that was happening all the time

we would make like fake body armor and I would sleep with fake body armor around me at nighttime oh because of that shit So if there was an op that wanted to kill you, he could tell a guard, whether the guard knew about it or not, maybe the guard was working with them. Hey, pop, Greisheimer's cell. I'm about to see him. And the guards would pop your door open. And then they would run in and stab you to death. They would let them come in because there was people in there that had big fucking money.

Bro, there was a dude. I ain't going to say his name. I'll tell you off camera. just don't wrap me out. There's a prominent figure here in Texas. Ted Cruz. No, he's not a politician. There's a prominent motherfucker here in Texas.

There was a bunch of dudes from Houston on that unit for dirt for him. And he was taking care of all of them. And that's a fact. He wasn't in prison. He wasn't in prison. But he was taken care of all these Houston dudes in prison. In prison. And they were doing dirt.

They did dirt for him. and they could get whatever they wanted, they could turn a guard like that because they had the money to make it happen. They had cash dog. And these guards, you know, you can imagine how hillbilly and country redneck these guards are.

Yeah. So even with the black guards, because the black guards are from these little towns like Jasper and Cleveland, their country, they don't know, they've never seen no money. Houston is the fastest thing to them.

even though Texas in the city we're all pretty country, right? It's still kind of country to a motherfucker who's not from Texas. You know, in Houston, you can go to Fifth Ward right now, the bloody nickel acres homes. The motherfuckers run horses down the street. You go to the black rodeo.

Like, these motherfuckers, dope dealers, big dope dealers, hardcore gangbangers, ride horses. Like, it ain't nothing. Like, you know, don't get it twisted. So when you got a dude, just say back then, because it was cash money, when you got a dude telling a female,

hey, I'm going to get this dropped off to you. I'll give you $2,500 right now just to say yes, and I'll give you another $2,500 when you bring it in, and then I'll give you a percentage, whatever that percentage is, off of every drop. So now a guard who's making a couple grand a month, and they only get paid once a month there, now is getting $5,000 just to bring something in,

and she's getting a, she or he is getting a percentage. of what's going on, and they're actually really taking care of that person. It's not a lie. Like, they're not manipulating them and then saying, I'll go, fuck you. They're, like, actually, that's what, like, seen that and being a part of that. That's why I treat people the way that I do.

That's why I don't try to fuck nobody over. That's why I was always honest when I started selling dope to my plug. Because I was taught that in there by the older dudes. So there was cash in prison at Terrell unit. Mad cash. Like thousands of dollars. The most money I saw in Terrell unit on one person was 10 grand. You know, in the joint, that's like 150 grand.

Yeah. That's insane. They were getting it. So you could pay a guard if you needed to hit somebody. It could go even something that's serious. You could corrupt and flip a guard. All day long, bro. So knowing this, what was the first time that you were tested?

Because you knew it had to come, right? You were 17 years old and you're a white guy that is accustomed to running with blacks. And now you're in this heavily segregated environment, this incredibly violent environment. Like, what was the first time somebody backdoored you? That was the incident in the furniture factory with those guys, with those white guys. that was that incident that that happened um yeah that was that was that was uh that was that was that was some crazy shit that was like i was in i think that was like my first month in it was within it was within probably i want to say like a six week time i hadn't been there three months yet

i know i was like the first like month month and a half i was in that that that happened and uh that was for me watching rap videos that's what that all spiraled behind was me watching rap videos. My Selly dude, who I've talked to and he asked me, I'm not saying his name because he asked me not to say his name. He asked me to keep his name out of everything.

I don't know why, but I talked to him and he just said don't say my name. He's totally changed his life. Like me. Like I forgot my own prison ID number. Like I have to keep it written down. So you know, being that type

of criminal when you want to switch and be a clean person, you got to totally switch. You got to totally turn it off, I believe. So I think he just doesn't want anything about that lifestyle. So I respect it. If it wasn't for him, I don't think that I would have made it out of the furniture factory alive that day. Because they were going to take me to the sap room and do whatever they planned on doing. I might have made it out alive, but I wouldn't have made it out. I wouldn't look like this. I wouldn't look good looking like, you know, I would be fucked up. I'd probably be missing some teeth, fucked up nose, fucked up face.

And just that dude fucking with me, man, he told them to look out for me. And then just how everything played out, like the furniture factory is so big. So when you walk in, you had these big shelves that I told you about, like the Home Depot shelves, the Lowe's Bullitt Lowe shelves to the right. To the left was the shipping area. So it went around like basically a big horseshoe. It was one big factory. That's how.

So we made like all the face frames and stuff here. And then when you entered in through the flipping doors, it was a bunch of like rolling line, like a rolling assembly line where dudes built desks. They had the table saw like everything you would see in the free world of factory. They're building all these desks for the state and federal facilities. That's how they don't pay Texas inmates.

Because Texas inmates gave up their money for good time. So as long as they make debt like stuff for quote-unquote state and federal facilities, that's how they say they don't have to pay you, right? That's how they get out of that. So these dudes are making desks, sanding desks, they're going all the way down this line. And then the sap room is where it's the final process that only one guy works in there, which is ugly buddy. He monitors every desk that comes to there and then it goes through around the corner to the spray room. And once it gets sprayed and lacquered and all that shit, if it's all good and go, it goes to get shipped. So we were going to go to the spray room because in the spray room, when they put these desks and they take the shelves off, they spray them.

There's this ventilation system that shoots everything outside. There's like these filters in the ventilation system. So they'll go into that ventilation system and they'll smoke bud or they'll smoke cigarettes and it'll just get sucked straight up outside. You can't fucking smell it. So they had came to me to go back there and smoke some bud, and I don't know why I said yes, because the white dude had already told me I was on my own. He's like, you're on your fucking own, homeboy, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

He was an AVT cat. I know his name. I'm not going to say his name. I don't know if he's alive. I don't know if he's active. I'm just going to show him respect of that nature, not to say his name. But he was the one that had told me, like, you know, you're on your own. you're about to see what prison is really fucking about, bro.

So when I went to work, they waited a couple days. It wasn't the next day. It was a couple days. And that's when them dudes came to me. And I think they did that on purpose to let my mind stop thinking about it. And I remember my silly telling me, he's like, they're not going to get you over here. They're going to get you at work.

Because if they're here and they try something, they know they're going to have a problem with me. So I guess he already kind of put the word out like, hey, this is the homie type shit. Like, this fool's fucking with us. So, like, I was, like, hanging out with the Houston dudes already. They were already fucking with me. Playing dominoes with, um, stuff like that.

I started wearing, like, tight whites and shit, being a player. They used to sell, like, house shoes in prison. They had brown ones, but the black ones were really hard to get. But because of him, I was able to get the black ones out of commissary. Like, if you put a blue slip in, you have to put in these things that are called property slips. to get to get like a stereo and all this shit from commissary, and it takes like two weeks to get approved. Like, we just went straight down there,

and he had the commissary lady on his team. Like, I told you, this fool was a big player. Like, he had multiple females on his squad. Like, this dude was making money. Like, this dude was, he was making so much money he was paying his mom's bills. That's a fact. He was paying his mom's bills from prison.

This is where I got this mentality why I started hustling when you asked me, did it feel good to make money? Because I didn't have to ask my mom for shit. I never wrote my mom and asked her for any money. Never. When she had come and seen me, she's like, you need money. I'm like, no, I'm good.

I got money. So he was making, like, street money on the inside. And on the inside. When I'm talking about, man, motherfucking drops from the S2, the S2 would go down to the fucking park. The trustees, they call them S2s, like S1S2s. Like, that's the most lenient security you could be. They'd be down at the parks, no guards watching them.

They'd take a tractor down there, hang out down there all day long, eat free world food. These motherfuckers are coming back with the drop. The law is letting them bring the drop and throw it over a certain part of a fence where it couldn't be found. And another trustee's grabbing it and bringing it in because when you're on a unit like that, that's the highest level security you can be because death rose there. So there's like three fences before you even get to the main fence. and there's gaps in between those fences with the, it's not razor wire. It looks like razor wire, but it's really snag wire.

Like the top, like the, it goes like that, but it's only real sharp at the ends. It snags you. Like you can run your hand across. It's not going to cut you. So these guys are, I think it's like two or three layers of that before you even get to the main fence. And the only guys that can go into that area are trustees, and they're always escorted by a cop. but the cop is letting him bring the drop in.

You understand what I'm saying? So then they bring it in. And when they bring it in, we're in the fucking cell, busting down, fucking cans of fucking bugler, fucking making packs and shit, fucking bud,

like just, dude, you're talking about, like tobacco was the biggest boomer back then. He didn't really fuck with weed like that because he's like, I'm not trying to, they're not going to give me a free roll charge

for this tobacco, but weed they will. So he was like just, a big tobacco guy. That was his thing. So he has to be making so much money because he's got to be paying off like five people just to get the drop in. Dude, that dude had, he took care of everybody.

There wasn't a person that was around that fool that was hungry. You remember I told you about the five gallon buckets like the ones they sell at Lowe's and Home Depot? Every Friday and Saturday, so when we had canned goods, you had like the barbecue roast beef. They were like $2.20 or some shit.

And then the other one was like a jack mac, like the mackerel and tuna. To the top, bro. Barbecue, roast beef, chili with beans, chili no beans, summer sausage, free world meat, pork, whatever it was out of the kitchen. And you're talking about that much food, bro, soups. That much food in both every weekend, he's feeding the whole pod. And then we didn't have ice. Now they have ice in the penitentiary.

They got coolers. He would get a cooler from the guard, full ice. and they had like the name brand sodas and then they had the quarter sodas. They don't sell the 25 cents sodas anymore. And those sodas were actually made in Temple, Texas. He'd have a cooler, full ice with fucking sodas in it. And then they had a cell that was empty,

that nobody stayed in in the toilet. They would fill it up with ice and they would have fucking sodas in that motherfucker. So these motherfuckers every weekend, the blacks, the Houston blacks, were fucking eating like this in front of everybody. there wasn't a motherfucker from Houston that starved around that dude. And I'm not fucking lying.

And any special holiday, Juneteenth, MLK, whatever, fucking wide, fucking open. The cell was always open. Like, you know, like how I told you, like I smoked weed down there sometimes. The first time, the second time I didn't at all. If that fool saw that I was smoking weed or any of those dudes from Houston before I became affiliated, They would, like, chastise me. Man, why are you doing that stupid-ass shit, fool? Think smarter.

Be a businessman. You fucking getting high, that dirty you way. You want to risk everything you got right now. You got lockers full of food, you stupid motherfucker. If you go to close custody, you ain't going to be doing shit. You're going to be stuck on 23-hour lockdown. Think smarter, bro. Quit being fucking a stewhead.

Quit being a crash jumbies. That's what crash jumbies do is smoke weed. You got a, you're bringing heat. Dumb motherfucker, the whole pot smells like marijuana. They ain't going to care about that. tobacco, that they care about, you know, the bud, you know, they're going to bring the dogs in here, think, motherfucker, show some respect, you know, so. So they really schooled you on street game.

Yeah, they schooled me like a motherfucker. And you hadn't yet been put down with the blacks technically. No, no, no, no. You weren't in blood yet. You weren't a fine on blood. Tell us about the riot that basically gained you guys respect from the essays, from the Bexicans. Dude, I don't remember who he was. He was a Crip.

I just can't remember his fucking name because I would say it. I can't remember his fucking name. He jacked, he got fronted some bugler, a couple packs. I don't remember if it was a couple of pats. I think it was like 40 bucks, I think. Because a pack of bugler went for 20 cash, and you could make, if you rode pinwheels, like not big ones, you could make, I think, a $100 commissary off of it.

And he jacked my homeboy, Baqui, who was a Pasadena, Denver Lane. He jacked, he refused to pay. And then I want to say Bakke fell out of place over there, and he got his ass whooped. And then that dude started bumping saying, I'll jack you, I'll jack any one of you motherfuckers. And started you slob-ass motherfuckers. And that's what set off that riot. It set it off on multiple buildings. And my homeboys, that was their own little plan.

We didn't have anything to do with that. That was just what they did. When they went to kick it off, this is one of the dudes that put me down, he was a part of this incident right here. They were the ones that did it. So, gee, they had the shanks already ready in the scullery, hidden in the scullery, on B side, when you go into the chow hall, they lock both doors so you can't get out.

So they knew that these fools were going to be locked in the fucking in the, uh, in the, uh, uh, chow hall with them. So as soon as they went in, they all sat down and they fucking ate. And then when they came up to the scullery, the fucking, the shanks got passed to them, and they fucking went in and started sticking them fools up and set off a ride in the chow hall. And this is black on black. Yeah, this is black on black, yeah. This is Houston against...

No, this was the bloods against the Crips. Okay. Yeah. What kind of steel did they have in, like, Texas State prisons? So... Is it big knives, or is it just little, like, kind of shit to book somebody? I, dude, like, that California shit, I never saw no shit like that in there. Like, all I saw was either welding rods, fence.

And then at that time, they still had the wringer on the mop bucket. So sometimes motherfuckers would get their... ringer off the mop bucket. I've seen a couple of those, those bangers, and then the can goods, because they put the can good on the thing and they, like, put, like, the can opens, like, a circle like that, and they get the top of the can good. Uh, they'll, they'll make it out of that. And that's, oh, and then the steel toes, you remember when I told you about how they took the steel toes out of the, out of the system, like, regularly because of that, that, uh, when Homeboy got his face kicked in, I said, his eyes got kicked out. So, um, they would take those,

like Marcelli that I told you that was T.S. And he had a life sentence in the state and the Fed. He wound up stabbing somebody up. I don't know. I don't think he killed him. But he wound up stabbing somebody up and that's how he wasn't Marselli anymore. He used to get the steel toe and he'd get a razor, not the one from the razor blade, but you know when the pencil sharpener heard of how there's that razor in there, that one's more

solid. It's more stiff. So he would cut the tongue out of the shoe. And because it goes like in a half-crested. Moon over the top, he'd have his hand in like this, and he would cut back and forth, back and forth until, and he had banged the, the, uh, the fucking steel toe on the toe on the ground and push that fucking, that crescent moon like that. And then he would send it out to, uh, one of the vocational classes had a vice, a vice grip, and they had put it in the vice

because it's like that. So they had put it in the vice and they had flatten it out like that. and then they would make that motherfucker where they could buck you with that motherfucker and they would attach it to something. You know what I'm saying? Like I've seen a Mexican dude come up to a dude with one of those where that Half Crescent Moon was attached to something

and he cut this fool's throat in the child. Man, pulled his fucking head back and fucking was hitting him like that and blood was just coming out. It wasn't like squirting or anything, but he pulled his head back and just was hitting him and pulling his head back.

They said he almost decapitated him. Did he make it? No, he killed him. Yeah, that shit was crazy, bro. That fool was brown, and when we got brought out, he was like, he was light brown because all the blood was gone out of him. Today's episode is brought to you by superpower. So here's the deal.

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And it was Houston Muslims that prevented that from happening. And the only reason why that happened is because the dude that sold me the knife, like I told you off camera, if I'm going to start some drama, I don't tell nobody or I might come and tell one person. Like, hey, can you send this guy to my mom and let her know? Because if you go to lockup, they're going to take all your shit. So I'm like, hey, can you, if I trust you, I'm like, hey, can you send this guy to my mom and tell her what's up? So the dude that I got the box cutter from was a Muslim, and he sold it to me for five jack-mac cans,

which is considered $5 in prison. So in prison, anything like 80 cents and above or 85 cents and above, they round up to a dollar. and I got the box cutter from him. Didn't tell him why I was getting it, but got the box cutter from him, but everybody knew the situation that had already happened, and he went and told some of the Muslims dudes, because I worked out with the Muslim dude named Hitman in there.

He's from Thur Ward. He was a professional boxer, and I worked with him on boxing and working out and stuff like that. He went and told him because we were workout partners, and I guess he went and told him I bought a shame, So the dude that I was going to cut up was a Muslim. And they came and talked to me, and then they were like, what the fuck is going on?

And I'm like, what you're talking about? And they're such that's told us he sold you a box cutter. And I was like, you already know what he said to me. And I was like, so you know what it is. And they were like, we're going to handle that. And then they smashed that fool and excommunicated him for that. What did he say to you? He told me he was going to kill me.

We had got into it. He used to mug me all the time for some reason. I don't know why. He used to say, what's up to Hitman? He would mug me. So I walked up to him and I asked Hitman. I was like, hey, like, I want to, what's up with this fool? Does he have a problem with me?

And he just doesn't like white people. So he was a Muslim, but he was like a nation of Islam Muslim. So like the regular Muslims in Texas prisons and then the guys that fall up under the nation, they kind of like, they all go to service together, but there's kind of like, I ain't want to say a beef, but he's a nation. Like the nation dudes are more like black power, more racial, where the regular Muslims, they're not.

You know what I'm saying? They're different. So I asked him, do you have a problem? He's like he just doesn't like white people. So this happened for like a couple of weeks of him coming by. We'd be outside working out. It was every time, because he would come back from work right before count, and we'd be on the rec yard.

And he would say what's up to him, and then he would just give me this fucking look like I was a bitch. And that shit, I'm a person like, I stew on shit, bro. So I walked up to him respectfully. So I told Hitman, I said, hey, I was like, are y'all going to trip if I call him out? He's like, nah, bro, handle your business. Because Hitman was, he was like up in rank with the Muslims. You know what I'm saying?

And so he's like, no, hand of your business, just do it right. And I go, okay. So when we came off the rec yard, I went in and I fucking got my gloves on, you know, the leather gloves I told you about. And I came back downstairs, but I had them in my shorts so nobody could see what was up. And I, like, didn't change my mannerisms. And I just walked up to him. And I was like, hey, bro, can I highlight you real quick?

And he's like, yeah, pulled him off to the side. I wasn't loud. I didn't do, like, anything aggressive to, like, try to, like, let everybody know. what was going on. I just, I just made it look like a regular conversation. And I was like, say, bro, I was like, I notice every time you say, what's up to hit, man. I was like, you'd be fucking mad dogging me and shit.

I was like, if you got a problem with me, I was like, man, I got my gloves. I mean, we could just get this shit out the way right now. We can fade the blind spot. We can fade the shower. We can fade yourself. Whatever you talk about doing, I was all like, because, you know, and I just like basically kept it like that.

I can't remember everything I said, but I know it was in that. And he goes, I ain't got no problem with you, bro. He's like, that's just how I be looking. And I was like, oh, okay. And I left it at that. So then next thing you know, we come back from last chow. And he's like, hey, look out to him. And I look at him.

He's like, hey, come here real quick. And I walk over there. And when I walk over there, like, I come this way and then we kind of turn. So now the TV is right there. And I remember my cell was up there. And he's talking to me, but I'm so fucking angry because I know he's lying that I'm not even looking at them because if I'm already fucked up with you

the more I look at you, I just get angrier. So I'm like looking at them and I'm turning my head like this, looking at them and I'm breaking eye contact with him. And next to you know, like when I look at him like yeah, yeah, like I really don't want to talk to him and he's like telling me like these excuses

like man bro, hitman talk to me and it ain't no beef. And as soon as I turn my head, this fool steals me. Boom, boom! And then he tries to catch me with the fucking a third one and I bounced back. And I look at him and he's like, yeah, what's up, bitch, pussy-ass white boy? And I looked at him and I grabbed my jaw and I go like this,

no blood in my mouth. And I was like, you just stole off on me and you ain't knocked me out. And now everybody's looking. I was like, bro, I was like, you just fucked up, fool. So I walk over to my cell real, real cool, get out of my shit, my cellies in the house. He was a Mexican, a Pisa Mexican. He was in this gang called the Mahicles.

But I think now they just call themselves Paisal. He was a Mexico. I taught him English. Diablo, he had three life sentences. Cool as a motherfucker. I knock on a cell. I'm like, I'm like, look out, look out Sally. He's like, Kiyunda. I was like, look at my gloves, bro. He already looked at me. He slid the motherfuckers over. And he's all like, and I was like, nah, no, no, because he's, that's, that was like how the essays were over there, especially them, that, they stayed strapped up. That's just what it was. And, um, fucking put them hose off. And I always kept my, my, my, gym shorts. Like I told you, I used to wear like baggy pants. So I kept my gym shorts under me. So I pull everything off, fucking get out of my socks, go straight down to the dayroom. This motherfucker, like, he's like putting his boot up, his foot up on the table, tying. He's, he's roaring. And I ain't going to lie to you, bro. This fool had one of the most gangsterous mean mugs I ever seen in my life. And he had a big ass scar across his face, like all the way

across his face like this and he just had a he had a scary look bro like this is what made me get that knife because i was scared when he said this like i ain't gonna lie to you like it shook me i couldn't sleep so he had his feet up on he's like go come down there motherfucker i'm gonna beat the fuck out of you and then when i started coming and i'm putting my gloves on hitting the foot that he had on the stool he like launches off that motherfucker boom and he tries to kick me and it caught me off guard because I was walking, but I, like, stepped back, and I pushed his leg down, and he came down, and then he dropped back, and he got up, and I fucking finished putting my gloves on, and I was like, this motherfucker just tried a fucking Power Ranger, my motherfucking ass,

and we posted up, and I fucking went to piecing this bitch ass up. I just fucking straight blitz-crugged his ass, and when I fucking dropped them, I started stomping them, which that's not allowed. Like, as soon as I dropped them, because I was so hot, I started stomping this motherfuckerer. and all the blacks come running over there. Oh, fuck, woo. They start grabbing me. Everybody starts grabbing me.

Like, you can't do that. They're like going to shower. So I run for the three row when I go in the shower. And he's just down in the fucking day room. Oh, fuck you white boy. Woo. I'm going to fucking kill you, motherfucker. Watch your motherfucking back.

No, no, no, no. I'm going up in your motherfucking cell. I'm like, this fool's fucking tripping, dog. I'm like, is this fucking for real? And he was never going home. So he had already been locked up like 33 years. So I'm like, man, fuck this fool. So I'm like, fuck it.

I'm just going to go ahead and go downstairs and just beat the fuck out of them until something happens. So, because I don't know what to do. So fucking, because I haven't been in this situation before. So I fucking start coming down three row. I come over there and I try to start getting after it with him again, but everybody's getting in between us.

The Muslims and shit, Junebug, he's like, nah, Tim, Tim, chill out, fool, leave that alone. And he's like, I'm just roaring. I'm going to fucking kill you, motherfucker. and I'm not affiliated yet, so he can just basically get away with talking to me like this. Watch, motherfucker, watch motherfucker, watch your back.

And it's wintertime, so everybody's wearing coats and in Texas prisons, they give us like these green military-looking coats. So, dude, I fucking, I can't sleep. I'm stewing on this shit. So I go to the Muslim dude that I know I can get a knife off of and I'm like, hey, I wait a couple days.

Like, I give it a couple days because I'm just like waiting to see if he's going to do something too much. me and he's not really looking at me, nothing's happening. I'm not talking about it because like back then, like, talking about something, it could go different ways. Like, if I, so say, you know, say this dude did something, somebody I know, and then me and you are talking about it,

that type of gossip. And then you went around into him and maybe brought it up, it could be perceived something different and now you didn't got me into a wreck. So like talking about somebody behind their back didn't really happen back then. So you really just kind of kept shit boiled in. I mean like kept in

because you didn't want things to be perceived the wrong way. So I'm not really asking people I know, what should I do? Is this dude going to stab me? Because I don't want to, I'm like, I don't want it to go any further, but I can't sleep. So a couple days passed, and then I go to Homeboy to get a knife off of him.

And then that's when I get a knife. And then he goes and tells Hitman that I got a knife. Hitman already knows why I got a knife because this fool didn't tell me he's going to fucking kill me. So Hitman goes to the other Muslims and they talk about it. And then that's when they come to me. And I was sitting in myself reading the dictionary. I used to read the dictionary for two hours a day. he used to read the had the dictionary and the

the thoris or whatever and they came and knocked on my cell door and I'd put the towel up on the door so nobody would bother me and he came and knocked on the door he's like look out to him I was like what's up bro he's like come to the door so I go to the door to the thing and then they turn and they go like this and the lady pops their door so all these Muslims

fall up in my cell and he was just like give me the knife and I was like I ain't got no knife and then he's all like Khalil already told me he got a knife, give me the fucking knife. And I'm looking at him. And then they're like, bro, we ain't going to let you catch no. Life sentence fool behind no bullshit. Let us handle this.

This fool's out of control. So I gave him to fucking the shank. I don't know what they did with it. But I know when I was gone at work, they wound up smashing that fool in the shower. And then he wound up catching out. And then they, I know he was on the unit for a little while longer. He got moved. and then he wanted to get shipped,

but I know they excommunicated him for that incident. So the blacks really, multiple black people really saved your life in many ways throughout your time in the system. Yeah. It kept you from getting killed, killing somebody. And this is before you even became a blood. Yeah.

That's kind of remarkable. Like, you remember how I told you that, like, the, like, they would be hard on me about shit. Like when I was kind of getting like, I guess too big for my britches and acting like tough, like I wouldn't say I wouldn't acting tough, but I was getting a little flamboyant. They were kind of talk to me like I was stupid. Oh, ooh, ooh, like they were like hard on me. Like damn me like a drill sergeant kind of.

So like I kind of like had slid back from fucking with them and I was just like kind of like do my own thing. They're like, Timmy, come over here, play chess with me or come eat. I'm like, no, I'm good. And they started noticing it, like, after like a few days, then they come over to me fucking Macy O and him, Fat Mac. He was, man, what's up, baby? You don't fuck with us no more, fool? And I was all like, I was like, nah, man, y'all talking to me like I'm a bitch or something, fool.

Like, fuck. And they were like, nah, nah, you know, we don't want you, we want you to do right, fool. Like, we don't want you to come back here, bro. you're a good dude, you're like a good cat. Like I told you, like people either fuck with me or they don't, and it's usually like 98% they fuck would be, but like I think the reason why like the blacks fuck with me like that type of way is if God's real, God.

If that divine intervention is real, then that's what I'm going to give it credit to. If it's not that, I think it's just because I have a certain charisma about me, a certain way I carry myself or people just fuck with me. Like, like I told you, I think I said on the last podcast, when I came in, remember how I told you off camera,

like they were gambling. Or I told you all right, they were gambling on dudes when they would come in. One of my homeboys, he had told me, he said, you know why we, nobody really fuck with you when you walked in?

Because when you walked in, you didn't walk like you were hard. You didn't walk too timid. and when I would when I locked eyes with everybody like I just kind of like skimmed the day room and people looked at me and then I just kind of like turned away they were like we could tell by your eyes you were like it was like motherfucker

it is what it is like wherever you want to take this shit we can take it and he was like he told me he believed that's why because he's like that's why we didn't try you because we were like oh that white boy's going to get after it we can tell he and then I kind of had like a swagger about me they could tell I was from the hood

So I think they were just intrigued by me, maybe. Do you ever regret not going to PC when you had the chance? Nah, I mean. What are PC yards like in Texas prisons? There's no PC yard. Now there is. So when I was getting, it wasn't even when I went on medical chain. When I made parole this last time and I was going to the program,

I went to McConnell, I think it was, McConnell unit. and they put me on 7 building in transit on H-Pod. And on H-Pod, H-Pod is usually medium custody. But they had a, on one section, I think it was just one section, because there's three sections to a pod. It was like a PC pod where there was a bunch of catch-outs. And most of it would look like it was just a bunch of homosexuals over there

and a bunch of regular dudes over there. So there are catch-out wings now on big units, on Torres unit. not a catch-out wing unless there is now. If you try to catch out, back in the game, you couldn't catch out. There was no such thing as a PC yard. Like, motherfuckers could stab you up. And PC was, you lived in segregation. You lived in SEG. So nobody knew why you were in SEG unless somebody sent word back there that you were in SEG because you got stabbed up or you got raped or something like that. That's how, that's what said, that's what PC was in Texas.

That's why Texas is so different. You can't catch out. Like you can now, you can refuse housing and they'll put you in lock up and then you can keep refusing housing and eventually they'll ship you off somewhere. But then you got to go to that unit and make up a story of why you got shipped there. And there's no inmates to inmate correspondence so shit don't follow you. where if you got exed out on a unit and went to another unit back in the game, inmates could find out where you went because the laws are going to tell us.

And they could just send a kite over there and say, hey, get that fool. And then you would just get God on another unit. Would the administration actually allow, like, sex offenders onto population yards, population units? Yeah. Well, now if you touch them, it's a case. You can get a free world case for touching them now. it's like a hate crime or something

they'll give you time for that shit so back in the game used to be able to go to the law library and look up people's offenses you can't do that no more so people will find out bro like they'll get your number well if you're white or Mexican in Texas prisons

you're giving up that TDC number like blacks they really don't be on that shit I don't know why but they really don't be pressing their people if they got sex cases. If they find out, they'll do something about it, but it ain't something they're going to do. We're whites or Mexicans, you're giving up that note. You're giving it up. You're giving that ID up and they're going and getting on the phone

and they're going to find out everything you've been in prison for. From before, not just now, they're going to find out everything. That day, you're going to give it up. That's just what's happening. And then you're getting smashed out. Or they might give you leeway and say, hey, when we go to last shower, when we go to breakfast, get up out of here, depending on what it was. Where with me, like, further down the line, when I became wood,

I was the type of motherfucker that would say, I didn't want to know your case, but if I'd be like, when I would talk to you, and then if you told me you had a sex case, I'd be like, you got to go. I didn't want to know the details because if I knew the details and I found out that you did something

to some fucking little fucking kid, then you weren't going. So to spare you and to spare me from getting a free world charge, I would just say, just tell me now because I'm going to find out. Like, you're going to, we're going to know today. So just give me the ID so we can go find out or tell me the truth. If you got a case, and I'd be like, yeah, I got a case. And I'm like, okay, bro, at last chow, just don't even unpack your stuff.

At last chow, you got to go. and that's it. Don't even try to stay here. I would be more political about it because I know where I would go with it if I found out that they touched a little kid. Were there any other crimes besides sex crimes, pedophilia, that could mark an inmate? Like, for instance, in Oregon,

there was this guy who wasn't a sex offender, but he was just a creep, and, you know, he was in the papers for doing this pretty brutal, robbery where he had beat this civilian like half to death. And they ended up killing him in his cell just because they were like, this guy's no good. We don't like that kind of behavior. Were there any crimes like that that could get somebody killed or ran off?

Yeah, on Terrell unit, there were family violence crimes that turned into felonies, women beaters, people who had beat women or if they robbed a place and hurt a woman. Mainly if it had to do with hurting a woman, like with those type of crime. crimes, like they committed a robbery and they heard a woman in the process, you know, did something to, usually that's what it was or an elderly person. If you had assault on an elderly, some type of, you heard, because in Texas, if you hurt an older person, even on the streets, like, they'll give you mad time for that shit. Yeah, that will get you done in.

But I seen the motherfucker get thrown off a three row for beating his wife. he, I guess, I don't know the whole, I know it had to do with him and beating his wife. He was in there for hurting his wife some type of way. And the guards set that up because he was from either Livingston or some town around Livingston and they knew who he was and he showed up on that unit.

The guards made that happen. They beat the fucking piss off that fool in the shower and threw him off a three row. What does that mean? They fucking ran in the shower when he was in the shower so on the newer units you got three row, two row and one row. And there's two showers on three and two row,

and then there's one on one row. And it has like a swinging door that's probably like that. It just blocks the center of your body. And he went in the fucking shower and the showers are small, bro, and there's two showers. So on one side of the shower

is like this like concrete. It's not like concrete. It's like some type of like stuff they put over the concrete like it has sand in it or something. So say he was in the right side of the shower. So you got the left side and the right side. He's in the right side of the shower. So the right side is just the wall, and then the left side is steel.

So when you come into the shower, when you open up the door to the left of the steel, there's a bench right here. And there's supposed to be some like hooks right here for you to hang your stuff. And then you can put your clothes right there. So when you shower and get done, you can try and change. So it comes in like that, and then it comes off and it goes straight. And then it goes like that again, like a, a hexagon or however you would say that.

And there's a shower head right there. So the sh- and then there's a little open area. It's extremely fucking small, bro. And when he went into the shower, they ran in the fucking shower on him. You could fit like, I don't know how they fit three cats in there,

but they went in there three-deep, and it was even more than three-deep when they went in there and just started taking off on him and smash them. They dragged him, they chumped them off a three-row. So they threw him off a third-story.

On the third story. Tier? Yeah, and he hit the table. and his ass was done for I don't know if he survived but I know his ass was unconscious when they fucking took his bitch ass up out of there and they took their fucking time

coming to get that motherfucker and none of the guards got in trouble I'm assuming nobody got in trouble that's why that's why Polonsky has the most cameras in the prison system because all the murders that happened over there and you think that usually had some kind of coordination with guards

Hell yeah Dude All them guards were on the take over there, bro Like there's dudes over there I could say their names And say shit about them Man there was dudes over there with fucking paper Bro that were making shit happen

Like what you would say Mafia shit No lie No fucking lie Inmates with pure power Pure power There was dudes on death row bro, there was a cat that came on a unit

that was claiming he was A, uh, A, B. Now, A.B and the ABT don't fuck with each other. But there was a California A.B. on death row. So that, some two, some, so this is when A.B. was getting sagged up. Like the A.B, the A.C., Mexican mafia, they were getting sagged up. So these two white boys had came over, fucking one of them units. predominantly, back then it was predominantly white.

So they came over, me and the tall white dude, we fought. He was in the Sally Port, so, okay, or the, no, the rotunda is the hallway that goes around the picket. And like I told you, the picket was in the air. So I'd already been on the unit like three years at this time. I was already established everything. You know what I'm saying?

I was already banging all that shit. So he just like kept staring at me. And I think his name was Brandon. tall white boy, goofy-looking motherfucker. And we come back from Wreck, and we're all in the fucking, the Sally Port talking, and he's all like

talking to his own voice, and he says it just loud enough for me to hear it. Yeah, white boys that act black over on McConnell or Connolly. They get smashed out. So I turn around. I was like, what's up, dog? Because, like I told you,

I got real good ears. I can hear shit. I turn around. I said, and there's a bunch of us in there. We're all talking fresh off the rec yard, sweaty and shit. I was like, what's up, dog? What the fuck did you just say, fool?

I ain't talking to you. I said, no, you're talking about white boys get smashed out? I was like, smash me out, pussy. And I started walking up to him. I'm like, smash me out, pussy. I was like, you're in one section, right? I said, yeah, boy, I'm coming over there, fool. I'm coming over there right now, motherfucker.

And my homeboys are all looking. So shit, we go over the three section. I get my gloves and shit. Fucking get the law to the paw. hop the door, we fucking go straight over to one section. I walk straight over there. I'm like, shit, come on, homie, let's get after it, fool. He ain't got no choice. He's family. He's got a fight. He can't. He can't not fight me. So he's like, I ain't fighting you in the shower. I'm I fight you under the stairs, which is the blind spot. So we go up under the stairs. But we didn't

it wouldn't even matter because the law already knew what was up. And fucking, I beat the fucking shit out this fool. Straight to the body on this motherfucker too. Dog, threw a dummy to the fucking face, hit him straight in the fucking solar plex. Pop, pop. Fucking folded him like a lawn chair, bro. He didn't have himself a fucking BB. And so fucking, I go and sit down on the fucking bench. Like so, like the stairs are right here, the blind,

and like the little blind spot. I sit on the bench and wait for him to get up. And I'm like, you good, fool? I'm like, you want to do another round? What you're trying to do, dog? And he's like, oh, go, let's go again. Let me get my wind back. I'm like, bet.

Same setup. He fell for the same dumb-ass shit. And fucking folded his ass like a lawn chair. again and I didn't even give them a chance to get another round in. I just looked at them. I said, fool, if you want some more, you got to fall over the three section, bro. So, like, the last podcast, I forgot, it slipped my mind. So I had a brief stint working on the shower crew on death row.

And I lost that job. I can't remember why I lost that job. I think they just let some of us go. When they switched, so when they went from like the eight-hour shift to the 12-hour shift, it was that, I want to say, at this time over there, like the A and B card. and a couple of us, we just lost our job. So I just became like a normal SSI. So that AB cat on death row,

I don't know how this happened because supposedly they're not supposed to be fucking around, but the one white dude started telling those two white dudes that pulled up that he was ABT, he started, because they're all segged up. So he starts like lying telling these fools that he's a, I don't know what he told him and what rank he was, but he basically had these fools following him around for like a couple months, dog, a month or two. It was a couple months.

It was like, I want to say a three months span just trying to kind of think. I remember Homeboy, who I got into a squab with, me and him got cool. He came up to me on the rec yard and was like, hey, bro, can I holler at you?

So I'm like, yeah. So we take off walking the wreckyard. But how he's carrying himself, I kind of think he's got a burner on him. he's going to hit me with this hole. So I'm kind of keeping my different distance. And he was basically almost your height, maybe a little smaller, maybe like 6-2, 6-3 tall, lanky motherfucker.

But he was stupid, fucking cool. It's just you don't see a while. So I didn't have any, it wasn't nothing personal. So he just wanted to tell me like, hey, fool, I respect you. You know, I overstep my boundaries, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, type shit. And we just got cool. But I think the real reason why he swallowed his pride is because he wanted me to start passing kites to the dude.

on death row. He's like, I got a homie back there, and then that's when I had even told him. I said, ain't he a Cali A-B? And he was like, yeah. I was like, I thought y'all didn't fuck around. And he's like, no, then he said some fucking story I can't fucking remember.

So I took a couple kites back there for him, but I was like, there ain't like no, like, there's nothing, no, nothing that isn't like, if it's a kite that's got like some violence on there, like that can catch you a case. So I'm like, this is just basic correspondence right? because I was like, I'll cut it open and read it. And I have done that before.

If somebody asked me to pass a kind, I'll cut it open and read it, especially if it's for a family member and make sure that it's not like a hit on there or something. So he told me that there wasn't, but I still cut open everyone in Reddit. And it was just basic correspondence type shit. So one day when I went to work,

the Cali A.B. Cat, he was like, hey, bro, I'm like, what's up? And I cannot remember that dude's name. He's like, hey, it's such and such. you know where he is? I was like, yeah. And I was like, loudmouthed, motherfucker. He's like, yeah, he's like, uh, dude's saying, he's saying he's family. He's saying he's my people.

I'm like, yeah. I was like, he got them two youngsters falling him around like a puppy dog and shit. Like he's some kind of fucking OG or some shit. He's like, I appreciate that, bro. And I was like, hell yeah, bro. I was like, anything you need, I got you. Boom, took off walking. Next thing I know, you got three building and four building.

And then there's a long-ass concrete wall that splits them between the two. And because so many, they're used, so now there's a guard picket at the end. So they're, on the end of the concrete wall, there's chain link fence,

and you can talk to dudes on three and four buildings, and y'all can talk back and forth. Motherfuckers used to throw like handballs over the thing, and it would be cut open and stuff full of dope and shit. But because there were so many stabbings on the rec yard, they put a, they call it a gas picket. So there's a picket up there,

like a little bird nest that a guard climbs up to and takes a gas gun with them up there and sits in the air and watches both sides. And they'll still let you talk back and forth if they're cool. So they hadn't concreted the wreckyards yet. So they're over there in the grass talking, and me and my homeboy were on the curl bar curling and then we're super setting. Curled dip, curl dip.

And I remember for some reason it just caught my attention and I'm watching and I'm reading the body language and I'm looking how these fools have their hands and their pants because, you know, in prison, I don't know if in other states, but in Texas prisons, a lot of times dudes will keep their hands in their pants talking with their hands in their pants. And I'm looking, and I'm, and I'm just, something just seemed off about the conversation. I don't know what it was, the body language. And next thing you know, they're getting, I see them taking him further under that picket,

that bird nest so the dude can't see down. The fat dude's right here. The tall white boy's right here. and they got the white boy, the older dude, he's facing me. Like, so I'm basically where you're at. And next to you know, I see the white dude like this. He's facing him, like facing right here. And I see him, like, kind of like, turn back.

The motherfucker comes out. Wow. They just start hitting this motherfucker. Boom, boom, boom, boom. Start busting him on a wreckyard. That dude's trying to take off running home. He chased him down and fucking, like, did some goddamn Michael Meyer shit to this motherfucker. and fucking stuck the fuck out that motherfucker.

But he lived, though. I know for a fact he lived, I think they had welding rods because it was real skinny. Whatever they were hitting him with was like welding rods. So what do you think that was over? That dude claiming he was A-B and he wasn't.

That's simple. Yeah, that's exactly what that was behind. And do you think, you know, that obviously they've, put cameras everywhere because all these homicides and attempted murders and shit. Were people getting away with some of these buckings, some of these bookings back in the day? Yeah. Man, from 2000 to 2002, for sure, all the time.

You remember the first stabbing I told you about where homie hit him in the Sally Port and then they brought them. They didn't get that fool. That fool's still down there. I saw them on the next spot over. Still down there like nothing. because there was no, bro, you didn't tell it back then, dude. Everything was like, if you heard some people fighting and you turned around and looked,

if somebody was watched, like, they had somebody watching it, be like, what the fuck you looking at, fool? What's something? You're trying to get it? Like, this is your business? Like, if you heard fighting, you didn't even look. You just kept looking at the TV or whatever. And just, that's one of the reasons, like I told you,

I used to stand on the wall all the time. But to answer your question, bro, until like that PREA shit, started really take an effect, yeah, bro, there was no dry snitching. Like, dude, there was dudes, and if they, like, yeah, they got away with that shit all the time. And going back to the violence committed by the guards, did you ever hear of any other incidences? Did you ever get fucked up by the guards? No, so, like, I had guards fucked me over all the time, like on lockdowns.

They wouldn't give me Johnny's. I had guards write bogus cases on me. getting me, you know, that's how I spent so much time on medium custody and closed custody was guards, the white guards, right in bogus cases on me. I tried to have some one-on-ones with the guards, but that never happened, but I've seen plenty of guards get after it with inmates and fight inmates one-on-one or pay other gangs to do shit to inmates. But I never personally fought any guards, but I, go ahead. Tell us about those one-on-ones. Oh, dogs, especially on closed custody, fool. They'll tell them to take their shirt off.

I don't know why they, that matter. Take your shirt off because they claimed if you took your shirt off that no longer meant you as an officer. But they had getting back and forth the guard, so they had pull your celly out and then closed custody everywhere you go is in handcuffs. So remember how I told you the shower, it had like the little door that could just like protect this. Well, the door was like a full cage. So when they put you in the shower, they can lock you in the shower.

So they had take your celly down to the shower, lock you in the shower. lock you in the shower, fucking take their shirt off and fucking go in there and start fucking thumping with the inmates fucking one-on-one. Just all that was, that was a regular thing. That happened a couple times a week on closed custody, guaranteed. The multi-purpose, so there's a room called the multi-purpose room, right? It's also called indoor wreck. So there was two TVs in there.

They never called indoor wreck. And then there was another area called passive wreck. so dog this is this is crazy have you ever seen that movie called felon so when you came out and you went through the rotunda i think it was in yeah i think it was still in the rotunda there was a door you went outside and it was an area kind of shaped like a triangle but the other type of triangle where this end is longer than the other i forget what that's called like that and all it had in it was a bullshit pull-up bar some of them had like a basketball rim drilled into the concrete and I had a big ass fucking curb.

Bro, if you had a problem with the law or even an inmate and you wanted to thump with that fool, you could tell the law to let you go to passive wreck and they would fucking gamble on the fights. All the time, that happened all the time before Priya on medium custody, they called it the multi-purpose room or indoor wreck. You could go in there, the laws would lock the door and they would, like me and you could go in there and thumpin, they would gamble on it. So like the gladiator fights they used to have in California prisons. Yeah, and they were gambling on it.

They were letting that shit was happening over there tough. So when would somebody win when another dude gave up or would you have to TKO him or? Disappended. It depends. Like dudes over there could fight good so they would go for rounds. If a TKO happened, I mean, you got to give a dude a chance to get his money back. So if he wakes up, you're like, you still want to get after it, then, you know, if they still wants to get after it, then he wants to get after it.

You see dudes fight, get winded, sit down for a second, then get up and be like, come on. Or until if they were just fighting for a long time and the guard got tired of somebody, hey, it popped the door, hey, y'all, y'all, it's done. And there's blood fucking everywhere. These pools are thumping. Like, that's how it gets, yeah,

that's how it was getting down over there. So you went from maximum security. They call them, it's different here. It seems like they call it custody. rather than security. They use different vernacular I noticed in Texas than other states

like California. It's really distinct. That is a very Texas thing to do. He does get your own flavor, your own thing. So you went from, tell us like the journey from going from maximum security

to medium custody. Like from going from the worst custody to the better custody? Teral unit, Polansky, down to, yeah, you know, a less serious prison. Well, I mean, Terrell and Polonski are the same one. So if you're just talking about different custody levels on that unit,

are you talking about because Terrell's maximum security all the way around? It doesn't even matter if you're on the dormitory, you're an S2 or something. It's still maximum security. It's like if you go to the dorms, the dorms are like, they're not off the unit, but they're further out and you get like more freedom. Like they had like horseshoes out there. They had a basketball outside. Their outside basketball goal didn't have like a roof over it.

You know what I'm saying? They had weights inside. They had an indoor gym. They could shower whenever, or you could shower whenever you wanted to, but lockdown, they had more freedom. They just had more freedom to do what the fuck that they wanted to do.

That's all that was. There was really like no gang politics out there. Because once people got out there, they're just trying to fucking chill and do their fucking time. but as far as like custody levels is concerned you got A side and B side and A side is the same custody it's just a different living situation

and B side is medium and closed custody so they're basically the same thing except just closed custody you go everywhere in handcuffs and you never leave the fucking cell and then they bring you your chow medium custody you do go to chow but they're supposed to let you out for four hours a day room but like I told you before they might not do

that. Like they might come out and say, out for chow, they let you come out. And because maybe your building was the last one, or your pod was the last one to go to chow they count that as your fucking day room. Because something might have popped off in the chow hall. Like I told you, in Texas

prisons, the chow hall is a dangerous place to be at. So you might, you know, fucking be on 7, build an iPod 3 section and G-Pod went first, then H went first. The next, you know, H-pod kicked off something in the fucking chow hall they gas the chow haul now all that food on the line is bad they got to throw it all

away they got to clean it all up so it might be a few hours before you even fucking go to chow and next you know they say oh that's your day room and you're like bitch i didn't even get the shower you ain't showering today so you just got jacked but cool laws like the ones that are cool if they say out for chow you bring all your stuff out with you because you know you might get fuck but the pole like some hollaws are like nah leave your showers you'd be like now leave your showers you inside. You ain't taking no shower. So it really just depended on who was working and how that went down. It's so crazy to me that such an organized professional prison, like at that time, that's a prison where the inmates are on like professional time. You don't dry snitch. You don't even raise your

voice because the violence is so serious. There's no need to raise your voice. I'm like to come and stab you. It's crazy to me that they would kick stuff off in the child. Chow Hall. I've never heard, I've heard that that's just neutral. Everywhere I've heard about people doing time, the chowel is always neutral. Because that's where you eat. Yeah. So why does Texas do it differently? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Like the first violence that I saw in the Chow Hall was, you remember I told you that white dude that got stabbed up at the scullery. That was the first violence that I saw in the chow hall. And then, After that, I saw several riots in the chowall.

Like, several motherfuckers set it off in the chowall like a motherfucker all the time. All the time, the cook, the guys behind the line might have did something. That's why they put, so like there was like a metal deal over so you can't see who's putting what on the food on B-side chowall because motherfuckers were hopping that line to what motherfuckers on the line so much. They put a cage up and they did it at Torres Unit too when I went back and I went to Torres Unit

and it's a cage that goes all the way up and locks into the ceiling because motherfuckers jumping over the fucking the line and fucking getting after it with motherfuckers behind the line for they think they fucked them over on some food or they might be like, hey, give me some extra something and dudes like I'm not even on that, I'm on the carrots. And then he calls them all pussy-ass, police-ass motherfucker

that next year you know, fuck you ho, and then now it's on. So you've been in the child hall getting gassed as they're stabbing up somebody? Yeah, several times, several times when the essays, especially when the essays, that, the essays, like, when the T.S. and the Mexican mafia were out, bro, they're, they're, like, motherfuckers up all the time, like, like several, like multiple incidences. Like, when they were going to war at one point in time, I don't know why. but after like this era

there was none out in population if they were they were flying under the radar because the blast had went to war with the TS2 and basically what was left of them ran them like got rid of them aired them out you know what I'm saying

there wasn't really that many of them left but shit I dude there were my next door neighbor was a TS and I thought it's Sally was a pistolero bro stab each other up. One of them I got a kite, they were so fucking cool. So on seven and eight building, because, you know, they stack, when they build tall walls,

they stack them on top of each other, right? And then there's, like, rebar that goes in them, so they put, like, that concrete putty to seal them up. Well, on seven and eight building, those holes aren't sealed up. So you can put, like, toilet paper or, like, a Tabasco, I mean, a hot sauce cap in the deal. So say, you live next door to me, I can pull my. cap out and I could boom, I could hit that suction and shoot

that deal off. I could be like, yo, look at it, Johnny. Ooh. So like, say I might be like, uh, man, you got some hot water over there. Say I didn't have a hot pot or some shit. Or just say, we have a spread and we only have one hot pot. My cell, they don't have one. So I could like, hey, can you put some hot water on me

for me, bro? And you would say, yeah. So say you had an empty cold gate to the toothpaste, right, the long coal gates. You would have it empty. You would fold it like that pinch it up so it's pinched up like that. You would stuff it through that hole and pour hot water and it would funnel through to me on the other side and I would heat up a soup like that.

So one of those dudes had got a kite to stab the other one. And we were on closed custody and they had so much respect for each other that they both laced up and fucking went hand-to-hand combat in that cell. So you know how it is, bro. you hear, but when the shank is sticking, it's like a, like you hear that skin pop off bone. Like, one motherfucker hit you right here, bro. Like, he ain't piercing through your bone.

Like, it's hitting and bouncing off type shit. So I'm hearing that pop-paw. I'm like, what the fuck? So I pull my fucking toilet paper out and I go, boom, and I hit it and I shoot off and I look. And these motherfuckers, pop, pop, pop, fucking getting it with each other. Just fucking, doing it, doom, doom, doom, doom,

just fucking hitting each other, going back and fucking the bloods. getting all over the wall, they stabbed each other up. When the laws finally came and walked around to do this, I think it was a security check, they were both on the ground. They brought them both out on the stretcher lifeboard deals. And they weren't even conscience, I don't think.

Like, that's how, like, fucking brutal those two motherfuckers were. That's how bouty they were. Like, when I looked in that hole, they're going back and forth, hitting each other like this. like that, like holding like some hockey players holding on to each other sticking each other pushing back and forth all over the cell. That's exactly what happened. That dude, I'm looking through the hole and the fools are

fucking sticking each other. Dude, I saw a T.S. Cat on Closed Custy chased four black dudes around the day room with a knife. They could have jumped them. We're coming in from wreck. Like I told you, when you go to wreck, they don't take you in handcuffs unless they changed it. The black dudes did something to disrespect him on the rec yard.

I don't know what it was, but what I can tell you about them family members is their fucking stupid huge on respect. They don't even fucking talk about it. That motherfucker went up in his cell because they popped the cell. The law was cool. So when he came in, he just unlocked all the doors at the same time. So motherfuckers running, getting the shower, getting their shower shit, all that type of shit.

That fool fucking came out with the blade. And it was Crip dudes. He fucking came down off two row and just walked up to one of them and started hitting him from the back. Boom, boom, boom, boom. And I'm standing up on three row because I got next on the shower. And this shower right here was a blood shower. So he's fucking hit him. Boom, boom, boom, boom.

And I'm like, God damn. So the three other Crips that were right there, they don't even try to help this fool. They fucking take off running. So now the law, after all the commotion. So the Mexican dude, he's not even talking. He's stalking after. these fools not saying shit homeboys laying on the ground folded up leaking he's walking around so finally the law sees it he starts yelling man y'all y'all rack it up so he'd cause the other laws

come in and you remember that fogger i told you about that was like a weed leaf blower they got the fucking fogger so the door the the entrance door it's mechanical but there's a bean slot on it so they fucking pop the bean slot they shove the fogger through the thing and they're like everybody who's not a part of it rack up because they i guess he had already told him it's just that dude chasing him so everybody gets in their cell except for the mexican and those three black dudes and the fourth one that's on the ground so they're all three in the day room because they're running up on the rows and shit like trying to get away from this motherfucker right so this is how slick the essay is so the pod it comes

to the center like this so you come up the stairs this way it's four rows of cells the two showers if you're on one, on two row, and then it splits this way. So that's how it's shaped. So the SA in the middle, so you got one, two, and three section. On one and three section, there's only one row of stairs. You go up, go to the end, come back. On two section, there's a set of stairs here and a set of stairs there. So he comes down this set of stairs, and I'm right here in 63 cell.

No, I'm on two section. 45 cell. Yeah, I'm in 40, yeah, because 45. you, I'm in 45 cell. He comes down. He comes to like the center. So the black dudes come down and they come over here and they're telling him, lay it down, lay it down. So the Mexican dude, he lays down, but he never lets go of the knife. Like he lays his palms flat, but the knife is still under his hand. So the one black dude stays by the stairs and he lays it down, but they keep saying, come out to the day room so we can see you. So the one fool, he gets up and comes over there,

he lays down. They're like, now put your hands behind your back. These fools immediately, put their hands behind their back. This fool fucking gets up and fucking rushes that fool. Boom, boom, boom, boom. Gets them up against the plexiglass just starts fucking lighten this fool up all right here, dog. I'm talking about you saw a blood shoot out of his mouth all over the plexiglass. Dog, I'm talking about got on this motherfucker so fucking fast fucking hitting that fool with that motherfucker.

Like, yeah. What do you think it is culturally about black people or black people in Texas, black inmates that is less violent than the white cars and the Mexican cars. Because clearly like the white, the, the Mexicans and the whites were about that murder game. That's stabbing you until you're fucking bleeding out of your neck. The blacks were really like that. Overall, it doesn't sound like it was. No, no, no, no, no. They weren't. What is that? I don't even think they're like that on the streets. I, I, I, I, you know, you don't hear about a lot of, I could be wrong, you don't hear a lot about them statting people.

Like maybe like some black dudes from like Haiti or Africa or some shit. But I think they're just, I think they're not built, shooting somebody is their thing, their game. You understand what I'm saying? This is where I learned about the psychology of the human mind. So back in the game, right, I knew blood dudes and I knew crypt dudes that had like four or five bodies on them. but they wouldn't fight. They wouldn't stab. They weren't built like that.

So they were with us, but they had money, so they were paying protection. So they were paying protection because they weren't built like that. But then you had dudes who would fight all day long, but as soon as somebody pulled a pole out,

they didn't want no smoke. Like my homeboy gangster that I told you about that I used to slapbox with that at 375 years. Gangster was about that murder game. That fool was about that life. He taught me how to make a shot,

So I'm going to send you some videos of this shit. So on closed custody, right? Because the radio service is so bad, they'll take magazines or newspapers, right? And they'll roll them into tight-ass spears and they'll put like headphone wire or old headphone wire on it and they'll stick it out the window to get radio service right. But also the windows, they're like a fucking, a rectangle like that and you crank them open. but there's thick, like about that thick square bars. They're thin, but they're wide.

So you can't get out the window. But dudes will take those, they call them spears. They'll take them. They're so good you're locked in a cell all day long. They'll tie a string to it and they'll launch them to the next building. They'll keep launching them until they'll do it all day until they get it through that fucking window. And you'll see motherfuckers pulling like clothes lines on the East Coast,

pulling bags of coffee, pulling shit. across the unit like that. Bro, so in Texas prisons, they have this thing. They have it in like the officer's dining room. It's liquid sugar. It's like sweet and sugar. Me and gangster were sellies.

He took sugar, made it into a thick-ass paste, had that magazine paper all laid out flat and smeared it over the magazine paper, then took the liquid sugar and squirted it all over it, turned around and rolled it into a tight-ass spear so the end is kind of thick,

and then he puts an indention in it in case he wants to shoot it. So he fucking made one like that long, tied it into a tight-ass spear, let it fucking sit for a couple days and get rock hard, and then did the same thing to the outside of it. And he's like, bro,

I get like five pokes with this motherfucker. Or I'll just fucking, they'll take the thread, the lining out of the boxers, and they'll make a goddamn fucking crossbow with that bitch and fucking whop. And fucking light your ass up with that shit. I've seen somebody do that shit on death row

shoot somebody in the fucking neck with a spear like that. And it penetrated it? Fuck yeah, that shit's hard as a motherfucking rock. That sugar, it just locks up so goddamn hard and fucking, and it gets your ass, dude. You know? And I mean, I saw a gangster do this.

He got some styrofoam cups out of the infirmary, and he fucking had a lighter, and he fucking took a styrofoam cup and just like lit it and melted it and melted it down into a quick banger. He got a free world toothbrush off a guard, a real one. He took fucking the plastic off the ramen noodle soup, so the bristles. He kind of melted them and pressed them down, so they were stuck together like that. And he layered the ramen noodle plastic, thin, just lit it like he did a layer,

lit it stuck it together, lit it, had sandpaper lightly sanded it, like the real fine sandpaper, fucking lightly sanded it. and he kept doing that, doing that, doing that, until he had a fucking straight razor out of that hoe. It's ingenious. Yeah, like, everybody knew, like, he was, like, the one black dude. Now, I tell you what black dudes, when I was down there, that if they were going to play with steel,

they would play with steel, was Texas versions of the black gorilla family, which is the Mandingo Warriors. And we had a peace treaty with the Mandingo Warriors on Terrell Unit, so we had a handshake that we did with them where we had grab each other by the arm like this and then come and go like that and hug each other.

There was a mandingo warrior over there. So if there's dudes on the unit like Hitman that I told you about, that was a real professional boxer and me and him were training on the rec yard fighting, they made us stop training because they could have segged him for teaching me how to really fight because he was for real with it.

Like he was a real known professional boxer that murdered somebody in a drug deal gone bad. That was his nickname in the ring was Hitman. So they made us stop training because he was real with this shit. So there was a black dude he came, I think, from Colfield. And the Mandingo Warriors, he had these motherfuckers. He knew Kung Fu, and he was for real with it. I watched, dude, I'll tell you the story, this is craziest book.

He had all these motherfuckers on 7 building on the wreckyard, line the fuck up, militant than a bitch, doing fucking workouts. ha ha ha ha shit doing like blocks and shit like that and they got into a riot with the mexicans on on the wreckyard bro i watched him he probably fucked up ten mexicans i ain't lying to you they said he knew like some type of voodoo that people couldn't shaking him from the back he had some type of voodoo but he was from uh oh well he was from one of those uh black islands he had an accent he was light-skinned and he was me and that dude were stupid cool i man he was was, dog, they sagged him up after that riot. He was for, dude, he had him on the

wreckyard. They would come down and film him with the camera and film him. And he'd be walking back, pacing back and forth, slim dude, rip the fuck up. And they, they're, their sign, I don't think they'll get fucking pissed off, but they're, they know the tattoo in prison, so I ain't rat nobody out. It's a shield, like a diamond shield with like the spears coming from behind. So that's, that's, they're called the mandingo warriors. Now, some of them would play with steel, but what I can't say about them at that time is they were about that action. They were serious motherfuckers, and they were about that action. And one of them actually got my back in a fight on Medium Cussie.

I got into a fight with the black dude from Colleen, and I whipped them in the shower, and then the other dude came to try to sneak me when I came out of the shower, and that black dude just so that that mandingo warrior just so happened to be on three row and fucking snub like slept that fool when he came up to sneak me from the back

and then we ran up I run up getting him in a one-on-one in the cell we went three rounds and then my homies went in there and fucking went in the cell on him too and then he wound up catching out so what year was it how deep into your stretch

when you became a five nine blood Tell us about that initiation. I know you told us on the first episode you did, but it's so incredible. I'd like to hear it again. So, like, when I got moved to G-Pod, I got into a fight, this law lost his ID.

You remember when I told you that the Crips and the folks were whooping all the rank and shit? So there was a sergeant in there named Sergeant Sherman or Sherwin. I can't remember big-ass country white boy, right? Somehow he had his hands in that. handcuffs. So he started

like coming down. There was a little crypt dude. He was a Dixie Circle Crip named Little Dickey. I think I think he's named Little Dickey. He was like five foot three. Man it was stupid cool. So fucking he had him up against the fence, was trying to shake him

down and Little Dickey was going back and forth and that he like came off the fence. He shut him on the fence so he just started coming down with them handcuffs on top of him. So that set off where they were, dude, I think they were fighting with the laws, like a year, a year and some change. So they were coming down to the recyards, and they were filming the wreckyards. So anybody who was wearing, like, tight whites, all the shit, they put them on G-Pod.

Well, that racist white lady wrote that bogus-ass case on me, Miss Ring, saying I threatened her and everything else. So they took my job, and they put me on G-Pod. So then they moved in this crypt dude that nobody liked name a C-Lo. That's what he called himself, but nobody liked them, this five deuce cat. So me and Seelope, because that law act like he lost his ID. I mean, he act like he left his ID at home. They locked the farm down, shaking everywhere down, looking for this identification card.

So I packed my shit after like three days. I had a visit with my mom, and I was like, and I usually don't say shit like this to my family, but I had to tell her because I didn't want her driving five and a half hours to come and see me, and then I'm behind the glass, because I was still having a contact visit with her. So I told her, I said, hey, man, don't come back.

Because I knew I was going to go to medium custody or close custody for this event because I had just had a major case. So I was like, hey, I'm about to fight my cellie, don't come back. And then she tried to talk me out of it. And I was just like, hey, look like, just enjoy our fucking four-hour visit.

And it is what it is. I'll write you when you can come back up here. Like, you're out here, I'm here type shit. So when I went back, I packed my shit up. Boom, me and that full catch scratch. and the sergeant tried to, he was like, I won't take you to lock up if you'll move back in the cell with him.

Now, this is a key thing, bro, for when I got put down, since we're allowed to go in depth. When I refused to go back in the cell with him, some people looked at that as a catch-out move because I didn't go back in the cell with him. But the rule is, if you lose,

you have to leave. And he refused to leave the cell. But people were trying to say, some of the bloods were saying, well, the law gave him the option to go back in the cell, and he refused to go back in the cell. But that came up when they went to put me down,

like, well, that fool caught out. But I smashed him. I whipped him. He was supposed to leave. So those dudes that were politicking against me for catching out, Those were like the first dudes that I fought because they were trying to speak bad on my name.

So I want to go into medium custody for that. So my cellie was this blood fool who was been locked up for, he was locked up. He's from Dallas for shooting a cop, my boy, Ty. He was crazy. He whooped, what's crazy is he whooped every cellie that he had, no matter what color. This is how throwed off this fool is.

Because I said this in the last podcast. I said he's cool, but he was a little throwed off. and I didn't get to go into the story on why. I'm going to tell you why. So he did 20 day for day for shooting this cop. They gave him a life sentence, but he went back on appeal, beat some part of the charge,

and got it down to 20 years. He did 20 day for day. I think he did it all on Colfield, and he did like the last, like, year, two years on taro. So this fool was so throwed off. He had a fucking sock that he colored black, and he had a sheet that he colored black.

And he had a sheet that he colored, black. And when he would get a celly in the cell, he didn't like, he had wrapped the sock around it. He'd cut two eyeballs out of it. He had tied it around his head and look out the eyeballs, and he had put the cape on and start beating his celly at night, and he called himself Black Man. Hand at fucking God. This is real shit, dog. That's hard. Bro, this fool is, man. So I don't know none of this until later on, because like I told you, people didn't talk behind people's backs.

So me and this fool used to stay up all night playing chess together. But when we'd go to the day room, he wouldn't really go fuck with none of the bloods. He would go and stand on the wall and he'd just chill. He didn't really talk to people. But he took a liking to me. So when that cripple hit my boy P.stone in the face with that lock, and I told you that they started having all those one-on-ones and shit, people started calling each other out.

And then I tried to fight one of the crypt fools for hitting people. Pee stone with the lock, and he just wound up giving me a pass. They all gave me a pass, because really I should have got the brakes beat off me by the Crips for that. But like I told you, there's something about me that people will fuck with me, so they just gave me the pass. And Slim was still there, and everybody knew about how Slim and Ugly Buddy Buddy spoke up in that event in the furniture factory.

So I still had that weight with the Crips. and the Crips knew, this is the crazy thing. Because I grew up with Crips in Ohio, and I lived on a block of Crips, and I knew Crips, I used to joke with the Crips, and I would walk up to them. Even after I got put down with blood, I would walk up to him. Like, what's up, Cuzz?

Like, just fucking with them. And I was just that type of dude that people fucked with, bro, so I could get away with a lot of shit where people might be like, oh, that fool's lying. And I can get, I got to have my homeboy called from the phone right now. I could have text him and had him right now when I was here so you could talk to him. Like, that's just how people fuck with me.

I had that type of gift of the gab that I could get away with maybe most that others couldn't get away with type shit. So after the incident with Pete Stone happened when he hit him with the lock, there was a meeting on the rec yard because they used to all fuck with me anyways. I used to lock up with him. What's up, Damo? What's up, homie? Woo, shit like that.

So we were out on the rec yard, but everybody was like, what are we going to put them down with? So there was a blood from my, from Temple, that was a Denver Lane. Me and his fool were super tight. He wanted me to get down with him. But Denver Lane is a Cali set. Pasadena, Denver Lane is a Cali set. 5-9 bounty hunter is not no Cali set.

No matter what people in the comments on that YouTube video said, that's not real. my homeboy Nairobi from Waco, him, my homeboy flea bag, my home boy juice, they wanted to put me down with 5-9 bounty hunter because Nairobi is like he's from the 254, there's a bunch of fine-nine bounty hunters there, we want them. So that's when other dudes, we were starting to say, well, he caught out. He caught out here. Smut, you know who you are.

They fucking, no. he caught out, he fought that fool and didn't refuse to go back in the cell. So as soon as they said that, I was basically quiet the whole time. Because you already know in prison, you have to pick your words wisely. So this meeting that's going on, I'm not talking the whole time. I'm just listening. And then as soon as he's like, oh, well, he fucking caught out. And I was all like, well, shit, if you think I got that pussy, let's fucking, let's get out.

Let's get after a fool. Right now. Right now, motherfucker. The law is already know what's up there letting us have the meeting on it. We're the only ones out there in the morning after breakfast. We're not even supposed to be out here. It's still dark because it's cold outside. The sun's not up.

So I'm like, I'm like, let's get after it right now. And then I slipped back into the old Tim on the streets and I used the N-word. There was a couple times in prison that I slipped up and used that word. And I'm like, yeah, woo-woo, what's up? And then everybody's like, and then I was like, oh shit, my fault. And motherfuckers was kind of looking. And it kind of like, I guess it kind of broke the tension because fool's like, damn, fool's wild in a bit.

fool just use the N word like that. So he's like, yeah, we'll get after it back on the pod, homie. And I'm like, fuck the pod. Like now. Let's do it now. So when I was like that, everybody's like, oh, this fool's standing on business. So we start falling out of place, basically down to G pod. And I'm like, hey, fool, you know what I'm saying?

You know what it is? Let's get over here. Let's get it where you want to get it at. You want to get it in the day room. You want to get it in the cell, get it in the shower. The laws already knew what was up. So we were waiting for, uh, I think it was A-card because that was the sergeant that Nairobi was cool with.

He was the one letting us fall out of place to catch this paper. And then slowly people started that were maybe on the fence about me, they started fucking with me. You know what I'm saying? Because I'm falling out of place to catch this paper. And then after I had caught enough paper, I guess, in Nairobi's eyes, after I would come down there to catch paper, he would be like, after you fight him, you got to fight me.

so now motherfuckerger's like fuck now we got to fight in Nairobi and this fool's got like one punch knockout power like he's just just he's just that he's built like that the fool just fucking knock your dumb ass out but what really solidified me with them which is crazy because we didn't meet me and this dude didn't even fight so I used to get the double XL magazine I sent this fool every time I got the double XL magazine I let it all the homies get the magazine back, and then I saved them. I saved all of them because my mom bought them for me, and she was broke, and her giving me that double XL magazine meant a lot to me. So the double XL magazine comes up missing. So I'm like, my homeboy from Temple City coming

down there, the Denver Lane cap, and this dude's got hands. Like, he most likely would have beat my ass. I'm sure he would have, he should have beat. If I would have won, I shouldn't have won. So we'll just keep it like that. So he comes down and so I'm like, hey, bro, where's my double XL magazine at? He's steady giving me these excuses about the magazine. So I found out that he done sold the magazine because it was a limited addition to somebody on closed custody.

He didn't sold my magazine. So I'm talking to Ty about it. The whole time, I don't know that I'm in the cell with Ty a couple months are going on. He's coming to these meetings, but he's not speaking on whether I should be put down or not. When they ask him, they're like, you're a cellie, what do you feel about him? He's like, I don't really care either way.

I'm about to go home. But he told me later on, the whole time, every night we had been in the cell together, he had been debating whether he should put the mask on and become black man and attack me. This is why I say he's thrown off because the whole time he's playing chess with me, he's thinking about beating the fuck out of me in my sleep. But he admits it to me. So I find out he sells the magazine. So I'm talking to him about it.

I'm sitting in a cell. And I'm like, I'm like, man, fool. I was like, when Homeboy comes down here tonight, I'm going to get at this fool. He's like, he's like, all right, bro. And he's like, well, you already know what's up. If you get after him, what's up? And I was like, I was like, yeah, I already know. So, homie comes down there.

He knocks on myself, what's up, Tim. That's how he talks. What's up? What's up? And I'm like, I'm like, man, don't what's up. Don't what's up me, fool. He used to come down on the shower crew. And he's like, what you said?

I said, bro, I found out you sold my magazine on closed custody. I got the magazine back. it's all bent up and fucked up i'm fucking pissed i was like i got it back fool you saw my fucking magazine what kind of ho-ass shit is that i you know i thought me and you're supposed to be tight fool since day one da da da da da da da we're going back and forth and he's like man you tripping over some petty ass shit like that and i'm like yeah i was like bro come down here when they call pill window because they usually call pill window than breakfast i said come down here when they call pill window and we're going to catch scratch uh before fucking breakfast over there in the blind spot

because I didn't want to fight him in the shower or the cell because I knew he had beat my ass. So I wanted to give myself some fucking wiggle room to be able to not get fucking knocked the fuck out. So he's like, I bet, and he walks off. So you remember how I told you about that dude that had got one of my homeboys from Stop Six that had gave that fool them stop signs

and then like took that fool's booty in the cell and shit like that? He's down on the pot. So everybody comes out. right this fool don't went around all night politicking with everybody telling everybody basically building the audience that he's going to beat the shit out of me now now i don't already been fighting for like three months now so everybody knows i'm about that and they and i'm not no slouch with the hands so you've been fighting like dozens of these blood gang members at this point yeah and

when does it stop like when does nirobes after this okay so so does nirobi tell you like do you know that you're almost about to be put down? I was already put down. I was already locking up. The only thing that was different was if somebody said they had a problem with me locking up or if we met out on the rec yard, if we were in the chow hall,

or if we fell out of place, and I came over there and y'all were all over here and I'm locking up with y'all. And then he's like, I go, I go, what's up, home boy? And he don't want to lock no bees with me, then me and him got to get after it. Okay, so it was only the people

that didn't like you. Yes. That didn't like that you were about to be a blood member. Yes. That you had to fight. So when they voted, the yeas outweighed the nays. But when they said, well, how are y'all going to do it? Are y'all going to $59 them?

What y'all going to do? And then Nairobi was like, nah. And I was saying, I know you're going to block, but I'll just say how he says, he's like, nah, every nigga that got a problem with my motherfucking homeboy, he going to fade every single one of y'all niggas. So I'm like, fuck. Oh my God. I'm in it now, motherfucker, here we go.

You know what I'm saying? It's like fucking 50, 60 of us out here, dog. And there was a lot of motherfuckers that didn't like that shit. So I'm like, fuck. Like, how is this going to happen? So I'm looking at him and I can't, obviously I can't be like, oh, like I. So I'm just sitting there like nonchalantly like, okay, it is what it is. So he's sending me kites.

Hey, fool, we got to fall over here. Da, da, da, da, da, got to look at such, such, such, such. You know what I'm saying? Because there was dudes pressing the issue, like still talking about it. So that's basically kind of how it went. Like it wasn't like I just fell out of place and was like, oh, you said you didn't want to see. There was dudes pressing the issue about it.

And then we're always linking up because seven buildings wild. So we'll get out. I'll fall out of place. We'll go down to G-Pod, go down here. Hey, what's up, what's up, homie? And motherfucker, my, man, I ain't locking up with you fool. Fuck you. I ain't locking up with that fool.

Fuck that fool. So this whole process is taking like, months. Yeah. It's like, I'm thinking it's never ending. And I got so used to it that I was kind of feeding off of it. Right. You know what I'm saying?

Are you getting better of fighting? Hell yeah, yeah. Is your confidence growing? My confidence was growing and I'm working out every day. I'm working out every day. And then me and Ty have gotten, we, so right up to the incident where basically everybody stopped having anything to say about anything. me and this would get bored

and we'd be working out in a cell and we'd start going to the body on each other. So we're just in the cell because one day he fucking smacked me in my stomach and then I was just like and sometimes that's how people will test you that want to see like what's up fool

let's go to the body real quick. A lot of the times there's dudes that are doing that they're trying to see where you're at. You know what I'm saying? They might, we'll just do like 30% and they sneak something in real hard to see if they can fold you. That's a penitentiary game.

So he had been locked up almost 20 years. You got to think it's only 03. So he's been locked up since the 80s. When taking booty was cool. You know what I'm saying? And now I'm a white boy trying to hang out with blacks. He's got an old mentality. You know what I'm saying?

So when he smacked me across my stomach, my response was he's tested me. So when he went, bah, hit him back. Boom. Oh, what's up, fool, what's up, fool? What's up, fool? What's up? Boom, boom. We just start going to the body.

So it's like that type shit. I got to be my survival mind frame. People aren't understanding this mind frame, bro. I got to be on fucking 10 toes 24-7. Every little slip, every little funny look. I'm taking it as. And this is, bro, imagine living like that. And every day you come out, you're wondering what's next.

That survival instinct, I'm not sleeping good. You already don't sleep good in there because the way they wake you up. It's like every day I'm like, what? What's next? What drama's next? What's this? What little slight am I going to have to answer for? Oh, how'd you? He said that. Which way? How'd you mean that? He might not even have meant it. No way. Because I'm knowing I got to prove myself and probably insecure at the same time and all these other things. I'm over here calling out motherfuckers for no reason. You know, like, and now they got a fight because they might be in something. They might be banging. And they're like, you know, I'm like, hey, fool. I pull him out. Hey, fool, you fucking said a shit. You think I got that pussy. You know what I'm saying? Well,

up fool, let's get after it type shit. So I'm having to be like that, like on one basically all the fucking time, bro. And so this fool's telling everybody all night and the TV's not on so you can hear his dude talking. He's talking to where I can

hear it. I'm gonna slap this while, beat this white boy, well, I don't sleep all night. So they come in, they do pill window and chow. And what's weird is they do one row first, everybody comes out. Then they go to three row.

Everybody comes out. I'm on two row. So fucking they do two row last. And when they do two row, they're popping my cell. My cellie the whole time, this is how this fool sleeps.

He sleeps in his fucking shoes every night. Fully fucking dressed every night on his back. That's how he sleeps and he stays on the top bunk. So I'm thinking he's asleep. So I'm standing in the door and there's a time. table right here and I'm in

my bad I'm in 50 hold on that's 49 48 I'm in 30 35 cell 36 cell and I'm looking down there's a table right there all the Damuz all the bloods are sitting right there they're all talking

this fool's got us foot up on a thing I'm about to beat this I'm about to fuck this one this white boy got me fucked up so the dude that took that fool's cheeks that I'm telling you about He's kind of clowning with him. Oh, hell yeah, fool, get that mother. Because he just came off of closed custody.

So he's already looking like, I'm going to get this white boy too. This is probably what he's thinking, because I hear him talking. So they finally popped my cell. They said, well, they say, if you're coming out, that's what they said. If they come out, you remember how I told you,

people made them fake hands out of the cardboard? They're like, flash the paper or flash your cell light. So I took the cardboard and I went like that. They popped my cell. I'm thinking my cell he's asleep because he's not talking. And usually we stay up all night. playing chess. But he, we played chess for a minute. He goes, I'm going to lay down. I'm like, I like, I, so as soon as I come out to sell, I go to fuck, I come out in my, in my gym shorts,

my gym, like a gym t-shirt, and I come out in my shoes, and I got my real clothes folded up. So I come out, the laws already know what's going on. So as soon as I go to shut the door, and the door's about to shut, man, this shit's damn near like a movie. That full tie puts his hand right here and hits his hand. And I turn and I look, because I'm sure. shut it like this. So I look this way. I'm like, I let go of the door. He pushed it open. He steps out. Everybody's looking. Oh, what's up, Ty? Woo. What's up, fool? So that fool just straight says it. I never heard this dude talk this loud. He's like, ain't no what's up. So he goes, I'm riding with the white boy. So like, when I came out of that cell, before I came out of that cell, my adrenaline was

pumping so hard with like fear and anxiety. And because I know now these dudes that are at the, I can hear him at the table talking about me. So I know that they're against me. They want to see me fail. So I'm like, fuck, bro, I better, I better, like, shine. Like, I better not get knocked out. Like, I'm, like, just thinking in my head.

I'm going over moves that I'm going to try to do. Like, I'm playing this shit out. And as soon as he did that and then he came out and he goes, I'm riding with the white boy. My fucking confidence raised. It was like everything that was scared about me disappeared. So instead of me coming down this way, which was the way I was going to go, he starts walking this way.

He said, come on, homie. He's like, bring your stuff. So I bring myself. We walk, we go down the stairs. And so on two rows, I mean two sections, like I told you, there's stairs on both sides. So there was a table right there directly by where myself was. So that same tables on that side. So I set my stuff down there.

So in prison, I don't know if they still have them, but there was a religious magazine called Victory that they used to come and hand out. So there was like a stack of victory magazines on each table. So I fucking stand over there. I get out of my shit, put all my gloves, and I just stand under. So the first stair that comes up, then it's a platform. It's the second stair that goes up. I stand under that stair going up, and I stand there and I don't say shit.

I'm just standing there waiting for him to come over. So he walks over. And he's like, well, so you ready to get after this fool? And I was like, yeah, fool, you already know what it is, dog. Like, you aren't there ain't no more talking. he goes back over there, starts politic and comes back. Now they don't ran out pill window. So he tells Ty, he's like, so you're riding with the white boy?

And he said, man, there ain't no talking, fool. I'm riding with the white boy. He goes back, starts talking some more. Ty gets up, walks over there. I don't say shit, I just stand over there. Not nothing. They're going to talk. And then fucking one of the other dudes, fucking, I can't remember his fucking name.

We never really fucked around like that. But he's like, bro, you over here telling everybody, you got everybody out in the day room, there's dudes in one and three section looking in the window, trying to see the fight. And he's all, you know, went around telling everybody, you're going to beat the fuck out. This white boy, go over there and fight that motherfucking white boy.

He's like, as right now, that white boy looks more like a nigger than you do. Go over there and beat his motherfucking ass. Stop talking about it. This fool comes walking over there, kicks one of those victory magazines up, walks over to me and stands in front of me and he goes, you see this right here,

you see what it says? And I look at him and I'm like, he's like, this is what I'm about. And I'm like, well, then let's get out for it, fool. He's like, yeah, we will. And then he threw the magazine on the thing, fucking hit the button. The dude came, what's up?

He's like, let me up out of here and walks out. We never have a fight and I never had to fucking fight again after that incident. Because that dude had hands. Like when you talk about dudes on the farm who could thump, he was the name that got, brought up, like, that fool had, everybody knew what was up.

I don't know why he didn't want to fight me. I don't know what was up. I know that I saw him in the streets two years ago. So you think he would have beat your ass? I think you would have beat the fuck out of me. I ain't ever seen him fight, but I know other people that got hands and say that that fool fucking got, God's fucking hands. But for some reason, he didn't want to fight me.

in a Denver lane that I had never met again. He got shipped off the unit after this. Somehow he got off a closed custody, and he came and fell out of place to iPod to meet me. He walked in. He's like, and I'm working out, so me and my workout partners were doing, like, wheelbarrel push-ups up all.

So this is what we would do. So I'd get on the first row, so here's the steps right here. So say I'd kick my legs up, and you would hold my legs, and I would, like, pin them to your side. I'd do five push-ups, get on the first stair. five push-ups, get on the first stair, all the way around, up to three-row,

wheelbarrow all the way across, and do that coming down. And that was one set. We did that a piece three fucking times. So I was doing that workout, and as I was going up the stairs, he fell out of place with his shirt off, yoked up, motherfucker. He had a head dome piece of $100 bills, and it, like, parted either on this side or that side, like the $100 bills were peeling back. It was fucking fired.

He's like, hey, where's the snow bunny yet? Snow Bunny that called out, woo. Like, look out, Tim. So my homeboy, who was a BSV from Galveston, cocky Lou, he put my legs down. It was me, him, and a Mandingo warrior working out a ghost. And he was from Houston and fucking came down the stairs. He's like, he's like, you Tim, from Temple?

I'm like, yeah, what's up? He's like, what's popping Daimu? Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. What's up, fool? Hey, I heard about you, homie. He's like, got my respect, fool. Fuck with you, anything you need. you ever fall down to eight building anything you need i got you man i'm the one down there

i'm like i'm like hell yeah and by the time i made he's an eight building he was already shipped off but that incident right there even though we didn't fight it gave me i don't know why he didn't want to fight me like i said i saw the fool at the seven-eleven a couple years ago when i was in temple and i saw him and i don't know if he didn't recognize me because my long hair but i have a very distinct voice oh and i was like hey what's up fool and he looked at me. He walked into seven and he came out. I was getting gas. He looked at me. I was just being like, what's up? Like on some what's up shit. Like, how you doing? And he went and got in the car and drove off and just kept staring at me. So I don't know if he just didn't

recognize me. Maybe he was trying to put the voice to the face and stuff like that. I don't know. But yeah, that incident right there and not even fighting, like, gave me like through the root clout with all the Dammuz. So now you're a 5-9 blood. Yeah. Are you the only white blood in that prison? I was the only one there for a while until a white dude showed up on the unit from the free world. He was, I think from Greens Point or from Fifth Ward, a white dude named Brad.

He showed up. He was 59 bounty hunter. Cool as fuck. Could rap. So this made you feel good. This is like, this gave you status. Like, how did it feel? Did you get that sense of belonging that you?

have been looking for since you were a kid? I already had it, but like when that incident happened, like, I was still very weary. Like, I felt like I was going to get jumped or something. Like, I was still kind of nervous, but then, like, I would stand so, uh, they wound up just moving some dudes around. And, uh, because my home boy from Cali whooped a lieutenant in the chow hall. So they wound up, like, just like moving dudes in different pods for some reason. know why they did that, but it was only

bloods that they did that to. So they wound up moving me to three section and moving tie to one section, so I go to three section. So that slab I told you about, that I told you about the Mexican dude that got stabbed up and shit that I knew, that was my home boy's gambling partner, and I told you the other dude

got kicked and they said his eyes came out of his head, that slab right there that you walked to go to Chow on that staircase, there's windows, and you could see dudes coming by that window and holler at him. And there's like a little vent under the stairs, y'all can talk. So every time all the homies would come by from G-Pod,

I'd be on the window, and we'd be in there rapping there, whatever, talking shit. It was just me and a couple of homeboys. We had to stand right there all the time and just talk shit. And they'd come by, hit on the, what's up, oh, whoa. Maybe he had seen me. He would never say nothing, never, you know, never shoot nothing back to me.

Or if somebody else was next to me a shot, you know, threw up the bees like he had throw up the bees, but he wasn't doing it to me. But for a little while, didn't, I felt uneasy about it. And then after a while of him like not saying nothing to me. And then one time what really kind of got me at ease with the whole situation and then I kind of started feeling like, I guess, like maybe fully accepted, I guess it was like uneasy about it was, oh, I wasn't uneasy about it anymore was we all went in the chow hall to talk about, um,

one of our homies had jacked a dude for some packs. And now that those dudes, it was some and beat e-de-fools. They wanted to, they wanted their money, or they were saying they were going to set it off with us. And, uh, so we fell up in the chat hall to meet. And then everybody shook hands and locked up, and he locked up with me. But, like, we didn't say hello. He didn't make eye contact with me.

We just kind of was like, like, hey, what's up, fool? And, you know, left it at that type shit. But what did you think about at night? Like, when you were getting ready to go to sleep, you know, you spend your whole day, at maximum stress level from the time you wake up

you know from the politics to the hustling it's constant it's constant stress it's constant cortisol dump and then when you go to bed it's the only time you're alone in prison

kind of even though you got your sally did you think about your old dreams of being a Navy seal and did you think was it did it blow you way, like where you had ended up?

I only had those thoughts when certain songs would play. Like, I don't know if you had this, like, listening to music in prison. I would listen to, like, rock, rap, or 80s music. My Selly from Houston, all he listened to was 80s music.

He never listened to rap. He would listen to nothing but 80s, like pop, 80s, the 80s station. 106-9, the point. I still remember that. But when I would listen to rock or rap and I would hear certain songs, it would make me think about my friends or my past, kind of make me get emotional, I would say. Like, not cry, but I would get emotional and think about that.

And then think of where I was at now. Think about what I was doing with my life, reflecting on my life, what I had become, and then I guess I just like accepted that I was going to be a prisoner for the rest of my life type shit. Like I just kind of, I'm very good at compartmentalizing. So like I think about it and then I just compartmentalize it and say that's the past and this is who I am now and this is what it is now in that moment in time. So I did reflect all the time. And I like I told you, I used to stand on the wall all the time and watch everybody and I would be reflecting.

I'd be like, what the fuck am I doing? Like, what is going on? Like, holy shit. Like, part of me was in awe that I was even doing what I was doing, that I was banging. It felt like surreal. It felt kind of crazy. I felt a million different feelings at one time. The headspace was definitely crazy for sure.

I felt like I was putting on an act a lot of the times, too, because I couldn't tell anybody how I was feeling because I didn't want to look like a pussy. So, you know, it was, I guess, imposter syndrome, I would call it. But, yeah, when I lay in my bed at night, I would think, and by not I didn't sleep good, I still don't sleep good, but yeah, it was a bunch of different things going on all the time. If that answers the question, I guess that's probably the best way I could answer it.