The Connect- with Johnny Mitchell - Irish American Gangster Reveals Forming Deadly Irish Cartel, Becoming Hottest New Bay Area Rapper

Episode Date: March 2, 2024

Matty Boy hails from California’s Bay Area. As a young kid he was exposed to the criminal life by his parents who were both affiliated with the Hell’s Angels and CA prison gangs. It wasn’t long before he joined the life and started selling huge amounts of meth. In this time he started a street gang called FAIM- Family Affiliated Irish Mafia. This path sent him straight to federal court where he was looking at potentially life in prison. He’s here to talk about his life in the criminal world, starting a white prison gang, and how he turned his life around and started his new chapter as a well known rapper! Go Support Matty Boy! IG: https://www.instagram.com/mattyboy1417/ YouTube: @mattyboymusic4020 This episode is sponsored by PRIZEPICKS! Head over to https://www.prizepicks.com/connect and use promo code CONNECT for a first deposit match up to $100! Join The Patreon For Bonus Content! https://www.patreon.com/theconnectshow Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The way we grew up is like it's hard to even explain. It's the violence, bro. The violence, when you have violence on that high or on that extravagant of a level, everybody's going to pay attention. You have to be that violent. Man, it's just like, this is war. And that's like how it is in prison. We got a good one today, you guys.

My guest is Maddie Boy. He is the hottest up-and-coming rapper in the Bay Area. He's from a little town called Rodeo. This dude is a gangster. Before he started rapping, he was the creative. of fame, the family-affiliated Irish Mafia. They're an offshoot of the Aryan Brotherhood prison gang and one of the most notorious and violent Irish street gangs in America.

This dude has an incredible journey. He started off selling crystal meth at the age of 13. By the age of 20, he was shot calling and gang-banging in prison. He caught a huge federal dope case in 2004, went away and did 10 in the feds, came home, he's been rapping ever since. And yo, this dude is nice. go check out his music. We've never had anyone like this on the podcast.

You're going to love this episode. Go check us out for bonus content over at patreon.com slash the Connect show. Without further ado, it is my great pleasure to give you Maddie Boy right here on The Connect with Johnny Mitchell. The crazy part about it, man, is the that we grew up around every day. The betrayals, the lifestyle, the seeing my parents' best friends become their enemies. And, bro, when your whole life.

Life is used to the nastiest parts of everything. You become numb. That's when I see lights behind me start to flash. And I didn't even think. I just hit it. I was driving like my life depended on. Then I parked the car, popped out, closed the door, and I started running. And he pulls out a burner, shank.

It's like six inches. And he passes it to me. And he goes, here, that's yours. Don't ever leave the cell block without this. He was the reason I made it out of that place alive. Everybody drinks coffee. This first time I seen black people drink coffee was in prison. Oh, and they were strung out on that shit. They would drink it before bed. Yeah. I had this one cell. He was like, man, I can't sleep without this shit. I'm like, I'm pretty sure these are like the wrong drugs.

Those are supposed to be opioids that help you go to sleep. Not caffeine. The adverse effect. Yeah. Some people do the uppers and it goes down and so. Right. Well, that's what cocaine does to a lot of people that are hyperactive. I don't know if you've seen white bricks, but that was me in cocaine mode, the song. Oh, no. Okay. Well, first, let's talk about that.

I mean, Maddie, I don't think a lot of white rap seriously. I'm from the old school. I see a white guy rapping. It doesn't add up, but your shit's really good. When I grew up on that kind of music, my whole life was oldies, Motown. like it wasn't until I was man probably when I came home from state prison where like the country started getting like mixed in

like the older my father got the more he liked country but when we are kids it was all soulful music in my house Marvin Gaye temptations all that type of stuff it was never I mean Willie Nelson I think Willie Nelson was the only one that the artist that I ever heard about that wasn't like

black. But you grew up in a white, Irish-American, tiny little neighborhood in the Northeast Bay, the Bay area, San Francisco, Oakland, then you go north, there's Vallejo, and then you're from a little town called Rodeo. Rodeo. Like Rodeo Drive in Beverly Hills. Exactly like Rodeo Drive. But nothing like Rodeo Drive, though. But it wasn't a, there wasn't a community of us. It was like once once we made it like maybe popular or whatever, then everybody started. It was like, I think it's cool to be Irish or something.

Like there was that little phase where... Right. But, um... Well, I think it gives white people an ethnicity. Yeah. Like, I'm Irish. It's like an identity or something. Totally.

It's like how Italians can be able to say, I'm Italian, right? But in reality, you know... But my dad was like infatuated with being Irish, man. It was like, that's something that he took a lot of pride. in. So, like, we obviously carried that with us as well. You know, it was like Irish being Irish and just like everything that came with it, reading about our history and all that just like gave us something to be proud of, man. You know what I mean? So then our influence started influence

in others. So it wasn't, it's not, I don't want to say that Rodale is any kind of Irish community because I would be misleading people. Is it a black community? No, Rodale was just like, now it's just like it's like a run downtown, man. Parts of it still look nice. Like where we lived up on the hill was a nice area. But like when my mom bought that house, it was 50 grand. Right. You know what I mean?

And then you got like the projects over there by the refinery. And then like the nicer parts of Rodale would be like viewpoint places up there by the school, the little Hillcrest School or whatever. whatever, but it was like we, I feel like my mom and my dad brought a lot of the crazy shit to Rodale. Like once upon the time, I feel like Rodale was probably a nice little town. Well, it's fascinating because it's in the same area as San Francisco and Silicon Valley, one of the richest places in the world. But then the suburbs, the northeastern suburbs are pretty hood. Yeah. You know, like we, Richmond, Balejo, these are, these birthed,

you know, the best gangster rappers that we grew up with. Yeah, but bro, like when I was driving through here, like a lot of how it looks, like when, if you was to drive through Richmond and then drive through this, these places, it would look almost identical. You can't tell because it's hard to tell from the outside that it's a slum because the sun's always shining, you know, everybody's got like a small, nice little house on a piece of land. But the murder rate.

Oh, yeah. It's insane. Yeah. Drug dealing, rampant. the drugs bro the drugs were major in that area because of the bikers too i feel like the bikers had a big influence right there and then like so my dad came home from prison in 1976 and um tried to try to work and do the normal life and then jumped right back into everything so like that whole meth trade was something that my brother and i grew up on so all the the

like the, I don't know, the criminal lifestyle and all that type of shit was something that was very centered in where we was growing up. Right. So your dad was a drug dealer. Was he a biker as well? Well, my dad was a biker, but he was more like, so my dad went to prison in 69, got out in 76. So he was around when like the prison gangs really started flourishing. So my dad's ties were to the white prison gangs. But then he came out and started affiliating with some of the biker clubs or whatever and people that were affiliated with them. Who were the biker clubs in the East Bay? The Hells Angels.

Uh-huh. What about Mongols? No, I don't think that, I don't think we have them up there. Right. You know what I mean? They're kind of a more Latino biker gang. Yeah. And I think they're beefing with them guys too.

So the territory thing is probably something that, It's sketchy, you know what I mean? Like, you guys ain't going to come up here and start a biker club because we're, whatever they are. Hell's Angels are mostly white. They're a white biker gang. We have them in Oregon, Washington, and California. They're in kind of that, like, central part of the state from Redding, you know, through the East Bay all the way down to... San Francisco, Oakland, Richmond, down to parts of like Modesto.

Right. And it's fascinating because they're completely out of sight from like high profile criminal groups. Yeah. You don't really hear a lot about them. You hear about the Sinaloa cartel every other day in the news. You hear about, you know, black gangbangers in, you know, urban neighborhoods. But this is like the biker gangs, they're, they're suburban, but they're almost rural. They're in these little small places like Rodeo, which is an unincorporated community, by the way.

Well, I think it's like maybe the sophisticated criminal outlook or something. You know, we're not criminals is their attitude. Right. You know, we're a club. So they don't want to probably get to that kind of reputation. You know what I mean? Well, it's a little late. We all.

Yeah. I think they've got the reputation for it. Yeah, but I'm talking about constantly in the news. It's kind of more like something where the bad reputation that they used to have. I feel like they was trying to shy away from that a little bit and make it. look more more sophisticated or something. This is just me assuming. You know what I mean?

From the outside looking in, I ain't never had somebody. I think you're right. I think you're right. They're probably trying to go more mainstream. Yeah. Like we're not a gang. And started bringing in normal people,

people that work every day. You know what I mean? They have nine to fives to where I'm sure back in the beginning, it was like rebels. Yeah, we're one percenters. Hell yeah. We're literally,

people that are doing what we want to do. We call ourselves one percenters. we are the 1% of bike gangs who commit crime. Exactly. So, and I feel like they slowly started transitioning into, like, bringing people in that are, like, normal citizens. That makes sense. Not to keep, like, beating the dead dog with the biker things,

but my mom was married to a hell's angel. So in the Loughlin thing, when that whole, like, serious beef thing kicked off, my mom's husband, allegedly is the guy that threw the kick. I don't even know about that. So the Loughlin, there was a big, uh, Hell's Angel, Mongol beef. I think people died. They had a shootout in the casino. Oh, Loflin, uh, Texas or Oklahoma?

Where's Loflin? Where's Loflin? It's like Nevada, California, and somewhere else, right? Arizona. Oh, okay. Wow. Dude, there's always, it seems like every few years in these places like that. But I remember, I think, Brian, if you can look this up, I think it was Arkansas. Oh, yeah.

Texas. There was a huge like movie scene shootout in a bar where like 20 people got killed. No, I heard about that. That was like on a bigger scale. But I think like the this was like their regular run down there. It was like the Laughlin run or whatever.

So shit, I had family members down there, bro. You know, obviously my mom's husband was down there too, but these fools, bro. But back in the day, it was pure outlaw. Oh, yeah. And so those were the cats that your dad was running with. Yeah. So he went He went to prison when you were just a little boy?

No, I wasn't born. Oh, okay. So he went to prison in 69, came home in 76, and he had a life sentence. But they, they, uh, somebody came through and changed it and made the system give everybody determinate sentences, like give people, give people dates. Oh, right. So it wasn't, you couldn't, you couldn't get 15 to life. Yeah, you'd have to get a specific.

Right. So now they brought them life things back. but for a little while they had they gave everybody dates and my dad came home so this you completely grew up in this culture yeah this outlaw culture there was it was like uh even like driving down here when i was thinking about what we was going to talk about it was like um the way we grew up is like it's it's hard to even explain because i downplay a lot of this shit like i'll be like oh yeah i was selling pounds of meth regularly. But it was like, that wasn't no fucking thing to me because it was what I seen my entire life. It was drug dealing, bro. Nobody worked. Yeah. And that's, that's primarily how

the Hells Angels back then funded themselves. Was selling ice, selling meth. Meth. Yeah. It was the crank days. It was the crank days. So this is before Mexican ice that's, dominates the market now, right? Well, I think that's the only thing that's on the market now. Probably. But this is when crank was made in by white boys. Yeah, hell yeah, bikers. Yeah. Yeah. Did your dad, was he a meth cook? No, but...

Or he was just a distributor. He was a distributor. But he knew the meth cooks. You know what I mean? Like the big dogs that were supplying everybody. I mean, these fools, once upon a time, bro was buying 100 pound barrels of a fedron to cut with their dope.

Before they realized that they could make the dope with the fedron, And they was cutting that shit with the, like the probe dope was getting cut with the shit that we make, what they make it with today. So how much would a pound of that kind of biker dope costs? Like at wholesale. Fuck, bro. I don't know. I know back in them days, the crank seemed like it was a lot more expensive. Really? Yeah. So it was like, I don't know. 10 grand, I would say, or something. Oh, yeah. That is more expensive. I think I read that like a pound of like meth from Mexico wholesale now. is like 5,000. It's not even that.

That's crazy. No. I guess it's because they can make more of it. They have a greater supply of it. Where when you're cooking it out in the desert, Walter White style. Yeah, when you got one person trying to cook dope for everybody, all the whole people, it's like you could imagine. Yeah. But when you, when now when you got hundreds of people, thousands of people, everybody's probably cooking.

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Get that promo code. Get that bonus. Start playing right now. Thank you. Let's get back into the episode. So why do you? So at the same time that crack was exploding in black neighborhoods, meth was huge in these little white towns,

these little white ancillary towns. And that's probably what happened to. Rodale. How I tell you, Rodale ain't nothing like it used to be. Crank came through there and just wiped it out. You know, normal people, like people that work every day started tweaking and the next thing you know, their house is a tweak house. Did you think meth is worse than crack? Was there any crossover with cocaine in the white community during that time, or was it strictly ice? Crank, Frank. Everybody was selling Crank. Why do you think that is? I always find that interesting why you know you have these two powerful uppers crack and crank but crank was like exclusively

in white communities. And crack was like almost a drug exclusively in black communities. Yeah. I don't know. I don't get it. Like to this day and I've used a lot of drugs, but to this day crack is the only drug I've never used. Wow.

You know what I mean? It seems fucking bizarre to me. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. It's a why crack never? Well, maybe it was because back then, and I'm just literally guessing, could it be because dealers, older suppliers like your father, didn't want to deal with black drug dealers and therefore it never made it into the market?

Oh, I'm sure. You know, I didn't even think about that. But at first I was going to say crank was a white drug, but cocaine in powder form is like, the ultimate. And everybody drug. Yeah, everybody drug.

So maybe because crack was like the cut down version of crank or of Coke, it was like the people that didn't have more money could afford the Coke, beat it up with baking soda and be able to sell it down there. Right. But white people could have done the same thing. They could have done. But how would you look in the projects doing that? I don't know.

I don't know. Yeah. You know, I look back on it. something that I think about all the time. I'm like, fuck, man, why didn't we ever try to sell cocaine? Because all the ties that we had, I mean, I feel like there was somebody that had to have been like, oh, yeah, I could get as much cocaine as we need. But maybe it was the accessibility of how accessible crank was for us was the reason that we didn't need cocaine to make money. Right. So would you say that you were more influenced by

white, rural, Irish-American biker culture than you were by black culture? No, I think I was influenced by prison gang culture. Because when I was growing up, bro, like the pictures on my wall weren't athletes. They weren't artists. They weren't movie stars. It was fucking Barry Mills or somebody. You know what I mean? Like the upper echelon of real gangsters, bro.

Can you tell us who Barry Mills is? Barry Mills is like the top was the top dog of the Aryan Brotherhood but I think he recently died he did

yeah and he's from one of these little northern hell yeah Bay communities he's from what is the town he's from

I can't remember bro but I've tripped on it dude I went I went down an Aryan brotherhood we'll call it the brand because we don't offend anybody

I went down a rabbit hole and I googled where this guy's from he's from like a leafy little town picturesque town called Windsor by in Sausal like by Sausalito. This is where like Napa Valley like rich people go now.

But it birthed. Those little towns birthed this. You can call it racist or, you know, white nationalistic, whatever it was, this prison gang culture. And it's just so.

And yeah, you're right. It's tied to meth dealing and and biker gangs. And and prison. That's what connects this little ecosystem. Yeah. And like me and my brothers, like outlooks on people and was heavily influenced by my father. So the people that my father respected was like the people that we looked up to, obviously.

You know what I mean? So we grew up hearing about these dudes in prison. And it was just like, fuck, we was infatuated with it, man. It was like, fuck, yeah. Was your father racist? Um, like outwardly racist. I mean, bro, my dad grew up in the worst parts of California. So he was the only white dude in the neighborhood.

You know what I mean? So he grew up getting abused, bro. You know what I mean? And this is just the stories he told us. And then he gets to prison where their enemies are black. You know what I mean? It's just like, but like growing up, my dad wasn't like, oh, no, don't bring this black dude to my house. You know what I mean?

Wouldn't never like that. No. Which I think a lot of people, it's easy to call white people racist these days, bro, to discredit them or whatever. And I get it every day because of who I'm affiliated with. But my dad didn't push that on us. So it wasn't like we grew up being raised to hate other races. It was like we was growing up just to make fucking money. Right.

Like hate, hate wasn't talked about in my family. Yeah, and I think the brand actually was conceived in prison as a way to defend themselves against. the black prison gangs like the black guerrilla family and these other I think the Sirenos and the Nortenos and that's how a lot of gangs start just as like a way to defend

yourself in these places. Yeah and the treachery that then dudes I mean look everybody's going to talk bad about them, call them racist and all that but what they did for white people is like in prison is like you got to respect it because people think twice about fucking with

white people because of the dirt that they've done. Oh, I mean, and it's terrifying when you see how ruthless the brand is. And you have to be. How many people are in the brand

in comparison to the other gangs? A tiny fraction. So it's like, I've heard on some of them serious institutions, bro, you get there, there's four or five white dudes on the yard.

So how do you think you have to carry yourself? Yeah. You know what I mean? The whole racism thing is just like, it's one of them things that gets under my skin

because in my situation, I feel like that's an easy way for people to discredit me. You know what I mean? To kind of kill my vibe. Oh, he's a racist. Well, it's not even you. It's everybody, it's an attack that's used, it could be used on anybody nowadays. So it's just kind of like calling somebody anti-Semitic because they don't want Israel to keep bombing a bunch of helpless people in Gaza.

Yeah. It's just a, it's an easy attack. It's a way to malign somebody and attack somebody without. getting to know who they are. Right. So, uh, did,

when's the first time that you started getting active? And selling drugs or the gang shit? Both. And it's just the, the dirt game. Oh my God, bro. So I think I stabbed somebody when I was 13 years old for a,

like the dude allegedly drove past my sister when she was getting arrested and laughed at her while she was getting arrested. So I ended up. stabbing that dude. And around that same time, I got busted with some meth. Bro, it was heavy. It was like immediate. I mean, we was selling candy in elementary school.

You know what I mean? Like my mom would go to Costco and we buy big bulk candy and bring it to school and sell candy. And I mean, it was just like started and then we started selling weed in seventh and eighth grade. And then between eighth grade and ninth grade, one of my friends was like, bro, why are you selling weed? your parents are the biggest drug dealers around here.

And then I got involved with the meth. Did your dad put you on? No, by then, excuse me, by then, like my mom and my dad were split up. So once my mom and my dad were like split up to where my dad was living in his own place, me and my brother started getting real wild. My dad kind of kept us in check. It's like one of them things where I think back, like how would have things been if my dad would have been with us the entire time.

You know what I mean? But it was just like, my dad was gone one time. My mom called us in the house and was like, look, look. So we're watching a little show on my dad's whole crime. So we're seeing my dad get arrested. They're talking about these gas station murder robberies. And it's like, bro, we're young. This was before they was officially split up.

So then it's like they just planted little seeds. Now we know my dad's a gangster. I mean, we're already getting these kind of feelings just by how my dad carries himself and who my dad's around and all that. But then when they split, it was like, we still wanted to be like my dad. And my mom was selling as much drugs,

if not more than my dad. So it was like, here, mom, can we get on? Wow. Did she have a spot or did she sell out of your guys' house? Our house was the trap house. Wow. It's crazy. And like on the way over here,

I was going to bring up the fact that I think our house first got raided, and it was obvious that we was drug dealers, bro, because we had our porch was gated off. Like you had to be buzzed in to our house. Like it was an apartment building. Like it was an apartment building. But I just wonder, man, like if the first time my mom's house got raided and the cops would have found something, if they would have like cut back, you know, like let us breathe a little more. but they raided. They didn't find nothing.

They raided. They didn't find nothing. And these rats are leaving our house saying the rats are leaving our house getting arrested downtown saying, yeah, I just came from up there. They got dope or whatever. And they come up. But my mom had this damn safe built into her bathroom wall, bro, that she kept everything in. So these fucking cops was raiding our houses. And at the time, I don't know if I've ever talked about this, but my sister.

had a friend whose dad worked for the fire department. So every fucking time the police had to tell the fire department just in case something big happened, like, hey, we're going to go raid this house so you guys be ready or whatever. You get tipped off. So the fucking son would tell his son, hey, don't go over there for a couple days. The cops are getting raid. The son had come right over there and tell us, hey, the cops are coming. The cops are coming.

So we got to wait with it for a long time, bro. And I felt like that shit just pissed the cops. cops off. Sure. Who was rating you, the sheriff? The sheriffs, yeah. Did you ever have feds get involved with your parents? The feds got involved when they came to arrest my mom on the Aryan Brotherhood indictment. Okay. But that was the only time. So let me ask you this. What is the connection between the brand, the AB, and street, outside, you know, street level drug dealing. We know that the Mexican mafia, La M.A.,

they're said to control from inside a prison the drug sales that go on on the street. This is what they say. Is that similar to how the brand operates? Or what is the connection between what became fame, the family affiliated Irish mafia,

the car that you rolled with and the brand from inside of prison? My mom and my dad is the connection. You know, my mom got arrested with them, went to federal prison on an indictment with the brand. So, of course, everything that we do is going to be, like, affiliated with them. You know what I mean? And plus one of my cousins went to state prison, and he was running, he was like in them circles. He wasn't Aryan Brotherhood, but he was buddied up with some of them, you know what I mean?

So him being close with them and then my parents being close with them, it just like inevitably fell on our lap. But is the Aryan Brotherhood, do they have people on the street or are they all in prison? And then they have people on the street like your mom who are helping facilitate like, you know, drug transactions for the inside. Yeah. Well, I would say, bro, that the majority of them dudes are in prison. It's just that that's the lifestyle that they choose. You know what I mean?

If they're free, they ain't free for long. But I think that because of who they are, they could, I don't know. Like, for instance,

how was your mom, what was the case that they put on your mom? Like, how was she involved with the A, B? Forward and mail. So they were saying, like my mom was getting letters

to do hits and forward them to the places that they needed to be. I see. So your mom was like a middleman between the person carrying out the hits and the people who gave the order inside a prison.

Yeah. What them do is actually love my mom, though, bro. You know what I mean? Like the prosecutor specifically told my mom's attorney, like the only reason why we really indicted her is because we wanted to spite TD and Barry.

This is our way of getting of like our revenge on them. Because what else can we do to them? They've already got life. You know what I mean? It's just like this is they've We've done as much as we can to them. Now it's like the mental warfare.

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but then my mom got cancer at some point. And the doctor's in there. gave her like six months to live. So she tried to get the compassionate release and it didn't work. So then her attorney went in front of her judge and her judge gave her like just released her. Oh, wow. So did she pass away or did you? I'm sorry. Both my parents passed away while I was in the feds in 2009.

Wow. Did anybody end up getting killed because of the letters that your mom was passing? Yeah, but so according to the paperwork, the letter never got. there. So somebody sent a message to somebody else and said, hey, did you ever receive the letter that the lady from the hill sent you? And he said, no, I never got it. But allegedly everything still went on. Did she ever help the brand facilitate drug deals? Like, you know, in prison, the way most drug deals happen is, you know, I've got the drugs. I give them to you. And then you pay your person on the outside pays one of my person on the outside is there do you think there's

a connection there do you think that happens with fame and and the brand i'm not sure i would think that if anybody i would think that if anybody got reached out by them they're going to do whatever they're asked you know what i mean it's just like one of them things where if you're out here fucking falling out of control and somebody reaches out to you and it's like i need some help I mean, wow. I think the right thing to do would be to help. It's amazing how much power they have with so few numbers. It's really amazing.

And why do you think that is? You think it's because they're willing to kill? Yeah. It's the violence, bro. The violence, when you have violence on that high or on that extravagant of a level, everybody's going to pay attention. It doesn't matter who you are. You know what I mean?

You could be the toughest person on the planet, bro. You're still going to, you're still going to, that, that thought of the treachery of how brutal the murders are when the murders happen is always going to be somewhere in your brain. Yeah, it's like beheadings. Fuck, yeah. But it's like you have to be that violent, man. It's just like, this is war.

You think people in Afghanistan and all these other wars that you just brought up the whole, are they being friendly with each other? Fuck, no, they hate each other. And that's like how it is in prison. You know, it's like taught hatred or something. and forced separation. Did you have aspirations to be part of the brand when you were just a young teenager getting into the game?

I don't know. I know that like I wanted that reputation, bro. I wanted people to think of me like they thought of them dudes. And this was young, bro, 14, 15 years old. I was like, this is, I want to be these pictures on the wall. I want to be that person when I come home, everybody's talking about them. You know, God, this dude.

God, this dude. So you talk about, you were fantasizing about coming home from prison and you hadn't even gone there yet. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You knew you were going on.

Oh, I knew. Wow. I knew. I had a gang coordinator in San Quentin come up to me. Finally, when he realized who I was, so I was with the Nazi lowrider and we're walking into the chow hall

and the gang coordinator is a big black dude. And he goes, Ralph Nash, that's the dude I'm with. And he goes, come over here. So I walk over because you know,

you don't want the homeboy to go somewhere with somebody else that's a fucking cop. So we're sitting there and he tells my homeboy, he's all, I'm going to call you over here to take pictures of your tattoos or whatever in a couple days. And then the dude goes, you don't know who this is right here? And then the dude looks at me and goes,

uh, nah, are you a skin? And I told him, nah, I'm white. Because at this time, bro, I didn't even know what a skinhead was. I thought he was asked me if I was a fucking Indian. And I'm like, fuck you mean in my skin, bro. So I was all, no, I'm white. And he said, all right. And then the homie told him, and you still don't know who this is.

And the dude goes, where are you from? I said, I'm from Coco County. He says, you got it anywhere on you? I said, no. And he goes, and then the dude told him again, man, I can't believe, you know. It goes, what's your last name, Donahue? It goes, oh, Maddie boy. Wow.

Now, I'm 20 years old, bro. And that little, that I would be lying if I didn't say, that little bit of, like, recognition just sparked something, bro. And that's, and that reputation comes from your father? From, from my mom's friends. From the people from maybe other cats that were in fame that were running hard. You know, this, yeah, but he knew me.

He was like, man, I've had people vouching for you to come to prison before you were old enough to think about prison. It was crazy, bro. It was crazy. My life is. Think about that life. that it's an aspiration to have your son or your nephew go to prison. Oh, yeah. Well, to, like, I don't think, like, my dad had been there.

So I don't think my dad had those aspirations. Obviously, maybe he wanted me to be like a bad dude, but going to prison, I think that fucked him up, man. It was like, when I told my dad I was going to take 10 years in prison, he was like, man, I'm not going to make it that long. I'm not going to make it that long. but my mom I think my mom was just like

she loved the lifestyle you know what I mean that power and all that shit that came with it I think she was like infatuated with it she was deeper in the game than your father even yeah okay so you're 13 14 you start selling crank

crank were you good at it how how successful did you get at that oh man I was horrible at it bro because I started using the drugs. So instead of like becoming successful or like having a lot of money, man, it was just I was

a bad person, man. From like 13 to 20 years old, I was just an evil. I wasn't a good person to be around. You know what I mean? There was no business qualities to me. Like I was a, I was a scandalous person and I was strung out on drugs and I do anything I needed to do to get them drugs. Did when during this time did your mom go away to prison at what age were you? So my mom didn't. My mom did little county jail trips and all that. So then in 1997, they raided the house. They found 90 grams of meth and they charged my brother with 30 grams, me with 30 grams, and my mom with 30 grams. So my mom, excuse me, did some county jail time. My brother did county jail time and I went to prison.

He went to state prison. I went to state prison. Where? So I went to, first I went to San Quentin, and then when I was, because it's a reception center, and then when I was waiting for to be sent to wherever I was going, they sent me to Solano County Jail for another case because I had resisted arrest, a cop broke his leg. So my two-year sentence went to four years. So, and then when I came home, it was like a, um,

it was like a different story, man. I was turned off by drug users, like dope fiends or whatever. It was just like I thought I was better than that now. So I came home and I started working for a little while. Actually, I worked for, I don't know, maybe a year or whatever, but I started selling dope in the process of working. And then finally I got let go from my job and just was selling drugs.

Did you stay clean when you started selling for the second time? I would party. I would do a Coke. Yeah. I would drink. But I never, to this day, I haven't done meth since 1997. So you must have been making money now, now that you're back not using your product. Oh, yeah.

Now I'm making money. Now we're having fun. And it's just, uh. And is this crank or is this now Mexican meth? It was still crank. Still crank. But then the, like right before I went, right before I caught my Fed case is when that crystal shit started like really popping. You know what I mean?

To where if you had the regular crank, you probably couldn't even sell it. Right. Okay. So this new Mexican crystal is fire compared to the crank. Yeah. And it's harder to cut. You know what I mean? It's just like... Because it's crystal. It's already rocked up. So now you have smokers just going wild. Wow. Tell us about fame a little bit. So now you're making money. I imagine you got a pretty high ranking or respect within the family affiliated Irish mafia. How many? How was the one?

You were the daddy, the shock caller. We started that shit. How many people did you have? We didn't have many, bro. It wasn't like, it was just like, I'd imagine, hypothetically speaking, say you lived in your little neighborhood and you had 20 friends that you grew up with your whole life. And slowly but surely your influence started influencing them. And before you know it, there are no.

longer normal cats. They're selling drugs with you and the next thing you know you got this little fame tattoo and they're like, well, what's this about? You know what I mean? And then one thing leads to another. Yeah. And so everybody is making money, hustling, selling Crystal. Yeah. What other kind of money-making activities does a little crew from Rodeo get into? Anything. Anything that they had for sale, bro, I was trying to get into ecstasy, fucking. Then I started getting into the cocaine a little bit because everybody uses cocaine. And it's not like, like I feel like if you're selling cocaine, the majority of the time, you're selling the people that are doing normal shit, bro, that just party on the weekends or whatever.

Mark it up. Hell yeah. So, but, um, did you, do you guys roll like bikers in the sense that, you know, you're highly or. organized, you bail out your brothers if they go to prison. I mean, we look out for each other and all that type of shit, but there was no, it was like, there was no structure to it. You know what I mean? We was just a bunch of knucklehead kids running around with our own name.

You know what I mean? Instead of, you know, I don't know if you've been to the state prison, but our, our whole state is broken up into counties. Like, oh, the homeboys from Shasta, the homeboys from Coco. You know what I mean? So instead of us, just being, oh, them are Cocoa boys. It's like we wanted our own thing.

Do you know what I mean? So. And so you guys now have an identity when you get locked up and go to prison, you're a somebody. Yeah. Yeah. Did you ever, while you were in state prison, got to cut you off. It was never meant to be a prison thing. How it morphed into that is, I don't really know, but it was like,

We were street guys, bro. You know what I mean? It was like ultimately I knew where I was going, where I ultimately wanted to be. But I knew that like there was a, there was there was gangs in prison that the other bigger gangs respected. You know what I mean? And that like at one point in time was where my mindset was. Well, like these guys are going to respect us too one day. So.

Yeah. Okay. So you kind of wanted to have. an identity, you didn't want to just be one of the brand. You didn't want to be like a soldier for the Nazi lowriders. Exactly. It's like, I got my own shit.

Yeah, I'm telling you, it started with two arrogant kids. It just was like, nah, we're going to be our own, our own people. You know what I mean? Our own savages. We're going to call a shot for each other. Did you get into any violent crime? Did you ever get, while you were selling dope,

did you ever get robbed? Did it ever get? real sticky? No, I never got robbed. But the violence was everywhere, bro. Like, we thrived in violence. We was in the bars all the time just being... Being J-Cats, man.

We loved the violent part of it. I mean, fortunately, only a few of us ever got murder charges, but, I mean, I don't think we got the reputation that we got from just selling drugs. Right. You know what I mean? We was actually out there putting in work. We was J-Cats, man. We just, we enjoyed the whole, that everything about that lifestyle, we was infatuated.

Yeah. Right. This explains a lot about the entirety of that lifestyle, from the Hells Angels to the brand to fame. Yeah. Right. Where was your father during this time? after you'd already cleaned up and you were out selling dope. So my father was raising my little brother and my little sister.

Is he out of the game at this point? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Like my dad made a phenomenal turnaround at some point. You know, he like broke down to my little brother, Devin, and was like, you know, I'm tired of, because my dad got strung out on dope again. Like me and him was doing dope together.

So, but then once I went to prison, at some point during those first four years, he got clean. And it was like, that fool was a phenomenal father. You know what I mean? Like, he didn't live in the best neighborhoods. He lived in Vallejo. And, uh, but he raised my brother and sister phenomenally, man. He didn't, I mean, I was the bad influence to them. You know what I mean?

Obviously him coming them to prison to visit me and all that type of shit. So I could see how they might look up to that lifestyle a little bit. but they played sports their whole lives. They got good grades. Excuse me. They got good grades. It was just like my father was a different person with them. How did he turn it around?

Was it just age and respect? He probably wanted to do right by the kids. You know what I mean? And then seeing what I was doing with my life, it was probably like he didn't want that for them kids. And my little brother was a phenomenal athlete. So it was probably just like gave him a lot to look forward. or two and just like it gave him a purpose you know what i mean right so it was your mom that

really held on to the lifestyle to the end my mom never let it go so when she were you when you were back on the street was she away or had she gotten out of the feds at this point oh my bad i i didn't finish that story so my mom when i got so at some point after my state prison sentence the feds raided my house and then busted my mom. So it was around this time that I caught my Fed case. So I got sentenced to 12 and a half years. My mom got sentenced to five. Then she got sick, got the early release.

So by the time I got home, both my parents were dead. Wow. Horrendous. Yeah. Horrendous. But you want to know the crazy part about it, man, is the shit that we grew up around every day, the fucking betray. the lifestyle, the seeing my parents' best friends become their enemies or become rats.

And it just, bro, when your whole life is used to fucking the nastiest parts of everything, you become like numb. So it was almost like I had to talk myself. And it might have been because I was in prison, but I don't know. But it was almost like I had to talk myself in to mourning the loss of my parents, bro. It was like, fuck, shouldn't I be feeling different? shouldn't I be all in my eyes out right now? It was weird for me, man.

Yeah. It's a life filled with constant disappointment, it sounds like. When you were in state prison, were you clicked up with anyone? Who did you roll with your, during your first bid? My Coco County Homeboys. Right. Okay. And how was that?

How was a state bid? It was lovely. Mm-hmm. It was, we had too much fun, bro. Prison was, prison is not like what people think it is, man. It depends where you are. But yeah, yeah, but even then the violence is isolated issues the majority of the time, bro, the rest of the time, motherfuckers are being J-cats.

Yeah, getting high. Yeah, hell yeah. Selling dope. You're doing the same fucking thing you was doing on the streets, bro, minus the women. Is that what you were doing? Yeah. You were getting into all that? Fuck, yes, bro, I did it all.

Like, even after I got 150 months sentence, when I first got to the feds, it was the same last, bro. So look, it, I end up, I know we're kind of traveling here, but I end up, in the feds and I'm on a burner phone. I call my brother and I know my brother, there's something wrong with my brother. I'm like, bro, what's wrong with you? And he's like, mom's cancer is terminal.

She's fucking got six months to live. And I'm on the phone, bro. And I'm like, man, I need you to complete this transaction that I, I already started this transaction. So I need you to finish it. This fool has just told me that my mom's got six months to fucking live, bro. And he's like, what is your fucking problem? And my brother don't ever, like, bash me for my choices.

But that was like the one time where he was like, bro, what the fuck? You just got sentenced to 150 months in prison. I just told you our mom is dying. And you're asking me to send money somewhere for some fucking bullshit. He's all, what the fuck? When are you going to learn? And how did that make you feel? Bro, I just kept at it.

I mean, it was like, I think probably it might have been my way of just, like, dealing with it. You know what I mean? Like the selling drugs, being involved with all the same shit I was involved with on the streets just made my time easier. Yeah. Okay, let's back up for a second because this is great. I want to talk about that. How did you actually catch your long Fed case? So, and what was the, what was, what were the charges? How much dope are you moving? What do they have on you, you know? So a friend of mine, now we all had this, I have to tell this story like this because my so i had 300 and uh 20 pounds of cocaine which is 150 keys in the trunk we got arrested in uh utah near park city and um the charge was i think distribution or whatever

and i got 150 months for cocaine so you went up for coke not meth yeah so 120 keys or something like that 150 150 keys i mean you could get life for that Yeah. In theory. Are you just transporting that for somebody? Yeah. So look it. So my partner hits me up.

And every once in a while this fool comes with like the best fucking crank, the best crystal. Like whenever I bring this shit that was a little more expensive, but everybody liked it. They was like, I don't give a fuck, man. This is the stuff that we want. So I was telling my guy, I was like, bro, I need a lot of this. And he was like, man, okay, I'm going to get you. I'm going to get you. and he's like, well, what's a lot?

I was like, fuck, 100 pounds? I don't know. I want a lot. I want enough to where the price switches in my favor to where it's not that I don't have the expensive dope. I just have the good dope. And he was like, I'm going to get you. I'm going to get you. So one morning this fool hits me up and he's like, man, I need a favor.

And I was like, yeah, what's up? You want to take a ride with me? And I was like, yeah, I'll take a ride with you. we going he says out by by chicago and he tells me like this this is going to be uh this is going to open all the doors that you need open you know what i mean he says anything that you and and i like weight didn't believe the dude you know what i mean i was like man this dude been talking about bringing me wait forever bro and they never never came through on his promises so and uh but i was bro who is your partner

my code defendant, John Kinter. Okay. Another white guy from the neighborhood? Yeah. Why couldn't you have made your own plugs? Because it sounds like you had the clientele. You knew how to move it. Did you not have your own cartel sources? I didn't.

So like the... You didn't click up. You couldn't have made those connections in prison. There was... Well, in state prison, bro, when I went to state prison, my mom was the plug. And then when I came home, it transitioned from white people to Hispanics. Right. So it was like...

And then before I could make that transition, I'm back in the feds. Right. So in between that little period, too, I went on for a violation. So it was like the crystal trade when it started like when I could have got put into positions with people with a lot of weight, I was late. Right. How much at this time when your friend asks you, he says, I've got this plug. what kind of dope were you moving a week? Like, what did your business look like?

Was it a little bit of everything? Or was it? I mean, I think it was, like, when I got arrested, it was a little bit of Coke and a lot of bit of crank. As much crank as we could get a hold of, bro, we was selling. So there was a shortage on crank. There was a, yeah. Right.

Like this full would be like, I could get you guys 11 pounds. And it's like, bro, we need 1,100 fucking pounds. ain't going to work. Okay, but we get 11 pounds. I mean, bro, you know how it is, the supply and the demand. If you have 1100 pounds, you're going to get rid of 1100 pounds. You're just going to have more people that want to buy it. So you're selling wholesale now to dealers. Yeah, like we weren't selling less than pounds or whatever, quarter pounds, half pounds. It wasn't like we was bagging up. So now, I guess there's a shortage because it's getting harder to get the precursor chemicals from the pharmacies, right? Yeah. Fuck yeah

because now it was like everybody was relying heavily upon whatever was getting shipped to the states Right so now it's Yeah you see that crank is dying Crank is dead Right

I had eight pounds When I got arrested I had eight pounds of fucking meth bro And I don't even know how my people sold it Just because no It's not good enough Yeah just nobody wants it It was like having dirt weed

Yeah bro and like And I always talk like Back in the crank days I would get the crank and I would put water in it, like turn it back into an oil base, and then I would hit it with the acetone, and it would come back like almost crystally. It was like the closest thing that we had to crystals back then. Right. So people loved it. It was like, oh yeah, here, let me get all of this beautiful crank that you have. Right. But then the crystal comes, and that's like introducing

indoor chronic to the market. Hell yeah. People get used to that. And they're like, I'm not smoking the stuff of stems and seeds in it. And because crank turned into like a smoker drug. So the cleaner you could have it, the better it was when crank first came out, everybody was snorting it or shooting it. And then everybody started smoking it. When the

crank trade went bad when people started smoking. How so? Because it just turned people into zombies. Because you used to be able to do a line of crank and stay up for two fucking days. Now you smoke it and you need it every 15 minutes and these big ass clouds, people are getting

obsessed with and it was just, it became a, just like crack. Just like crack. And it ruined. Anybody that was a smoker that was in the meth, it just ruined. Right. So you could have been a functional crank user back in the day. But when, when it became smokable, that's when. I think my father was a functionalable crank user.

Like he'd be able to go out Friday night, do a couple lines with the guys, drink, and be good Monday. Right. You know, you start smoking. It's just. stop. So bringing us to 2009, you're a real player. Like, if you got the connects to get rid of 1100 pounds, like you got clientele. But 2009, I was in prison already. Oh, I'm sorry. State prison in 2004. But before 2004, as much crank as I could have got, we could have moved. Okay. But before I'm talking about leading up to your Fed case,

okay, so it sounds like you kind of fell off. After you came home from the state. No. It, it, it, I didn't fall off. It was just, there wasn't enough ever. I see. You know what I mean? I had big dreams, bro. I wanted to be that person that had hundreds of pounds of dope. You know what I mean?

I didn't want to be fucking selling 10 pounds. Right. So you wanted to be a rich. You wanted to be a millionaire dope deal. Fuck. Yeah. Yeah. Yes.

My man. All right. Now we're talking my language. How much did you, what was the high, your height? What do you think you made? Did you ever touch 100,000? Oh, yeah. Like, when I came home from my violation, I had made a hundred thousand.

I had 100,000 put to the side just in that little six months. But before the six months was over, I had that 100 grand stack, bro. And it was just like, like, I feel like I could have stayed home and just done well. But I was, I was hungry, bro. Like I said, I wanted to do whatever I had to do to get to that plug that could. Right. So you're looking to, you know, be sitting on the weight that your buddy, your Cody, says that he's got.

So this is an opportunity. I get this. So you think you're going to meet the Connect. So lead us in. Tell us what happened. I'm just going to do a favor for the Connect. So we're taking a ride to drop something off. And then when we get back, I'm going to get blessed.

Right. So it was just like a scratch my back. I'm going to scratch yours. I'm going to give you whatever you could possibly handle. Okay. So walk us through what happened. So my homeboy picks me up. We get to Reno and we stayed at the Hilton or something.

We was on the borderline of Utah and Reno. So the cop pulls us over. We're going like six miles over with a speed limit. My bad, because I was driving like an idiot. But the dude, the cop eventually, the cop pulls me out of the cop car and has me sitting in his cop car with him. And he's taking me on his fucking fishing expedition. But finally he's like, where did you guys stay?

and I was always stayed at the Hilton and he was like, all right. And the part that saved my life was he says, I'm going to issue you a warning for speeding and you're good to go. The traffic stop is over. But he continued on with the traffic stop, which saved my life

and got me 12 and a half years because otherwise it would have been probably my life. So they was scared to take it to the motion to suppress hearing and offered me 12, me and my Cody Finn. I don't understand this. Are you dirty at this point?

Do you have, I thought you were going to Chicago to bring the cocaine back. No, no, hell no. We have the cocaine on us. You got 150 joints, 150 big ones. 150 keys in the fucking trunk, bro. Wow.

Yeah. And, okay, so you know what you're doing. You know, you know what you're riding with. I don't know. Yeah. I know that we have something. So you're doing this on a favor. You're not even getting paid per,

no, per kilo. No. Wow. Okay, crystal clear now. Got it. So you get pulled over. You obviously look like gang members. Yeah, but I'd look different back then.

And my Cody Finnet doesn't look like any kind of gang member. This motherfucker looks like the old man next door, bro. Yeah. Like somebody you see in your driveway hitting fucking golf balls or something. Right. You'd never be like, I mean, bro, these motherfuckers said 320 pounds. I was like, motherfucker, you could have gained. me that. We didn't even have to take a ride.

Right. Right. Fuck. Wow. So you didn't know you at 150 bricks. Fuck no. Brough. The story's even crazier. I had a fake ID that looked more like you than me and I was on parole. When the fucking feds, after we got arrested, when the feds

pulled me into the fucking room to try to interrogate us, he was like, you have the right to remain silent. And I was like, uh, why are you guys talking like this? Ain't I being arrested for being out of bounds on parole. You're being arrested for a substantial amount of narcotics. So, okay, so, all right, you get pulled over. So are you on the Nevada side when the, no, we're in Utah. Okay, so,

okay, you're on the Utah side. Wait, wait, wait, wait, I thought you said you were by Reno. Yeah, we left. We spent the night in Reno. Okay, so you got out of this ticket. It was a routine traffic stop. It was just on a fluke. The cop, they weren't on you. This wasn't like a setup. Okay. So you, you fucking make it through by the. skinny or nuts. You spend the night in Reno. I didn't make it through. He left me. Excuse me. So he left me after he told me I was good to go and went and talked to my Cody Finnet. My Cody Finnet told him we stayed at the borderline. There's a fucking motel at the borderline called the borderline. So he was like, your guys' story don't match up. He's saying you guys stayed at the

Hilton. You say you stayed at the borderline. And my Cody Finnet was like, the borderline of fucking Utah and then one thing led to another. And he was like, he asked my Cody Finn. He's like, can I search the car? My Cody Finn had told him, yeah. But that was the only part of the audio that was like, like you couldn't hear it. Like I asked my Cody Finnett when we is in the jail together. I was like, bro, the fuck did you tell him he could search the car for?

And he said, I didn't tell him that. I told him specifically, no, but I'm sure you're going to do whatever you want to do. And then he went and searched a car. And they found the drugs? Fuck, yeah, they found the drugs. So our stop was over in Utah. I see. Okay.

Okay. Gotcha. All right. That's wild. So you guys get, you know, thrown in the tank. Did you take it? So these motions to suppress, that's what basically gave you your plea deal. Oh, it saved my life.

So they wanted to put you away for like 30. So they wanted the, uh, the prosecutor. wanted to give me 20 years. And my Cody are my attorneys, my attorneys are badasses from California, the Tony Sarah and Randy Dar. They don't even, they won't even, uh, like represent snitches. These dudes are like the upper echelon of gangster attorneys. Yeah. But, um, oh, where was I going with that, man? You know, too, people forget, like, you don't, if you go through a traffic stop and they write you a ticket or they say, have a nice day and they keep talking to you, it's, oh, you don't have to

So bro, you can literally be like, hey, this is done. Like, I'm going to go on my way now. Like, they don't have the right. They obviously don't have the right to search. Now, if you're on probation, I think they can make a call to your PO and get a warrant to search you. But was your Cody on any kind of paper? No, hell no.

So the whole traffic stop was illegal. So the prosecutor told my attorney, he was like, here's a 20 year deal. like he ain't going to get a better deal than this. And my attorney told him his family ain't going to let him take 20 years. It ain't, and my attorney told him, it ain't that I don't think this is a good deal. It's just a matter of one of them things

that we're going to go to trial. We're not going to do 20 years or anything like that because to them, to him and his family, 20 years is life. Yeah. So my attorneys wrote up

the rough draft motion to suppress hearing and then they came back with a 10-year plea. But the 10-year plea, now, mind you, I've been in the county jail for almost a year by now. So I know what these plea agreements are supposed to look like if they're legit. You know what I mean?

So, like, I went to page 6 or something. And in page 6, it says that I'm willing to cooperate in later times or whatever the fuck it said. I don't even know what it said. But I told my attorney, I said, I'm not going to take this. And he's like, bro, you guys are the only two people on your case. I said, I don't give a fuck. I'm going to be in prison for the next 10 years

trying to tell everybody that wants to see my paperwork that me and my co-defendant signed the same fucking plea it ain't going to work. And I don't want nothing that has my name associated with cooperating. I don't care about your view on it. This is my view. If me and my co-defendant are the only two people on this crime

and if we both sign the exact same plea with the exact same cooperation clause that won't hurt nobody, I still don't give a fuck. because it's saying that I'm cooperating with you guys and I don't want that. So my attorney left flabbergasted, bro. This motherfucker was like,

I can't even believe this is coming out of this dude's mouth. We're talking a 10-year deal from 20. Yeah. So the prosecutor, thankfully, came back and was like, we got a different one, 12 and a half years. No, no cooperation, no nothing. I was like, brush that. And that's what your Cody took as well?

Yeah. So did they try to lean on you guys for to find out who they tried to lean that one day bro. That's it. The very first fucking day when we got arrested because and the prosecutor dude or the, the, I think it was a DEA dude. I still remember him. Red hair, kind of a heavier set dude.

When I, because my code defendant went in there first. So then when I went in there, because I wasn't trying to be smug or like disrespectful for what the dude, but when I was on my way out when I told him I, I ain't got nothing I could tell you guys. And he was like, well, that was a lot better than how. your Cody Finn had told me. I said, well, what did he say? He said, fuck you guys. I was like, either one works. Same thing with different meanings, right? I can't tell you nothing. Fuck you. Hell yeah. You kept a game tight. Yeah, but that was the only time, bro. I was surprised.

They never once tried to come back and be like, are you sure you guys want to do this much time? Well, trust me, if it was a guy that looked like me, they would have been like, listen, we know you got to get back to your nice family in Northeast Portland. You know what I mean? Like they looked at you. They looked at you. They looked at your track record. They looked at who your parents were. They looked at who your click was. So these fuckers, actually, because my co-defendant told the prosecutor, he was like,

can we, he goes, I want to get more, my, my co-defendant told his attorney, my bad, that he wanted to take more time. Like, give him 15 years and me six. However, so if we both had 12 years, he said he would take 18 to give me six.

Right. And the prosecutor was like, I don't have no problem with that. but I'm going to call the local authorities just to make sure that the story is believable. I want to make sure that when I go to my superiors, that they'll be like, are you sure this isn't just the old guy taking more time so the young guy

could get back out there sooner and commit more crime? And the local people said negative. If anybody's in charge, it's Donahue and the other guys along for the fucking ride. And you're like, no, actually. So they was like, no, I wasn't talking. Believe it or not. But yeah, I was like, yeah,

Not this time. Wow. But your Cody was trying to do the right thing. He was like, he just came along. Like, I asked him to do this. So did, let me talk about the motion to suppress. Did your lawyer take the illegal stop and the sketchiness of the search and say, hey, look, there's good evidence that this was illegal. You better give us a deal.

Is that how he was able to get it down from 20 to 10? Because listen, I don't know if you know about traffic stop laws, but they protect us. They don't, they're not in favor of the cop. So this cop said that I was nervous, which is not a probable cause. No. He said that we had a map. We're driving across the United States and a map was, but all that aside, bro, this fool gave me a warning for speed and told me I was good to go. In order for that traffic stop to continue on, he has to get consent.

So what he has to do is say, hey, Mr. Donahue, can I ask you another question? And if I say yes, then everything he does. with the traffic stop is legit. But he never did that. He told me to wait on the side of the car and then went and continued on with the traffic stop. But that was over. Without your consent. Without my consent. And I was driving. How were you able to prove that he didn't have consent? I was on audio. I was on, bro, there's a video of me in his fucking cop car getting handed, a warning for speeding and told I'm good to go. So it wasn't like it was one of them things that it was my word against his.

This shit was on video and audio. Like everybody I talked to once I got to, the prison was like, bro, you're fucking crazy. But my attorney put it to me like this. He was like, bro, eventually you're going to beat this case. There's no way around it because it's cut and dry. This fool gave you a warning and told you you was good to go.

He told me specifically if I would have had marijuana instead of cocaine, I would have walked out that courtroom, a free man. Because it was that cut and dry. There was no way for the cop to say, oh, I didn't say that. Well, I didn't give him a warning for speeding. We have it right here, faggot. We have it right here.

Yeah. Everything was right there. But my attorney was like, bro, I'm going to tell you my opinion. First of all, no judge is going to be in the newspaper tomorrow saying that he threw out 300 pounds of cocaine over a traffic law discrepancy. So what he's going to do is just pass it on and say, you guys are going to figure this out in the appellate system. So, and he goes, and how long is the appellate system going to take? At least five years. 10, whatever.

And then I'm going to end up in a penitentiary with a life sentence. What if I catch, you know, it was like so many different. But don't you think because of how cut and dry the illegality of the search was, you could have taken it to trial and got a jury to get a not guilty verdict? See, now I didn't know even like you saying that. I don't even know how that works. Well, I thought once we got to the trial, the evidence is evidence. Because if it's not, it gets thrown out at the.

Oh, interesting. The suppression. The motion to surprise. Interesting. At that point, I don't think it had been a matter of me arguing whether or not it was legit. Right. It was. It's inadmissible.

Yeah. Like, I don't even know how they would fight that case. That's actually a really good point. Right in, fans. Leave a comment. That's interesting. We just had a lawyer on last week. He would have been able to answer that.

So your attorney was like, he gave you sensible advice. Bro. Like, like. So look. Here's reality. here's reality that's a good attorney yeah hell yeah because look at tony sarah and randy came up the week before and was talking to me about fighting this motion to suppress brother her whole office was buzzing i mean obviously he's 300 pounds of cocaine and there's a large possibility that

we're going to beat the case so tony tony tony's in there animated i don't know if you've ever like watched anything with tony sarah the dude is like he got to youtube shit up there but he's like very graphic with with how we talk so he's jumping up and down and he's getting into it and he's telling me all your case is different than everybody else's it's cut and dry we're going to beat this it's just it's beautiful this is what we live for so then what turned him randy came up by himself the very next week flew in from fucking san francisco to talk to me he was like hey listen I just want to play the devil's advocate here. I know that Tony probably has you hyped up.

And they were sending me all kinds of legal work to go over because it was like similar to mine. And all these cases that were similar to mine, they were beaten. You know what I mean? So it was like, bro. And Randy and Tony had known me my entire life. You know what I mean? I was going to Blair Guthrie's federal trial with them when I was fucking nine years old, the entire trial. You know what I mean?

they wanted us there because it made him look like a good human being. Who was Blair Guthrie? Blair Guthrie is, he passed away, but that was one of the guys I looked up to, man. Blair was a, he was a biker, but he wasn't in any clubs or anything like that. He probably got a reputation for being a meth cook. That's what he was in, that's what he was fighting the feds for, bro. This fool beat that case. the case. He beat the case.

Beat a Fed trial. In trial. It was the most... And mind you, I'm young, bro. So being able to watch this, being able to watch that attorney just, like, win over these fucking jurors, bro. It was amazing. But Blair and my dad were friends. Blair was the one that probably, like, eventually put my mom and my dad into a great position. You know what I mean? Blair's rest in peace, man. So he sounds like he was the connect.

Back in your parents' day when they were out there selling crank. Yeah. Okay. So, but Randy, point is, Randy came and he was like, oh, yeah. So Randy was like, man, I've known you my whole life. I've known you your whole life. I've been watching you guys grow up since you was this big. And he goes, and even though this is moments like this is why I became an attorney

because it's epic. You know what I mean? This is the moments that I live for. And he goes, but I don't want to do that at the expense of your life. It was like personal with him. you know what I mean and I understood bro and I didn't want to

it's like fuck do I want to gamble with my life? Do you think if you had said told the the US attorney fuck that there was an illegal search I'm not taking that plea and the judge had

had passed on the motion he said no that's we can't allow that illegal search he would dismiss the motion to dismiss whatever you call that do you think you that that plea deal would have been off the table

like you couldn't have gone back if you lost the motion and said, hey, actually, they'll take the 12. No, no, because he specifically told my attorney, if he goes to the motion to suppress, I'm filing his two prior felonies, and I'm going to give him a life sentence. Right.

So if you had gone to trial and blown trial, you would have got life. Yeah, but the whole, yeah, all day. And then he would have had to risk the appellate court. Yeah, but exactly. But the, the only action we had was the motion to suppress. You know what I mean? It was like one of them things to where,

uh, Was that a hard decision to make for you? No. Fuck, no. Because, like, in my mind, bro, I was like, fuck, 10 years. And doing a bid is nothing to you. No. Yeah.

And plus you're going to the feds. And the feds, bro, my God. When we was where we was at, the only thing that we didn't have was women. Well, you can make a lady out of some of those good-looking boys in there. Yeah, no. I'm just kidding. Yeah, but, you know, some people do. Of course.

I wasn't one of them. Yeah. You got to be doing life if you're going to be busting some cheeks. You got to be doing, you know what, bro, when I got my, so I went to prison for the two years. And I told my cellie, I was like, bro, ain't no way. I'm not letting no man ever touch my fucking Johnson. I ain't got enough time for that. Right?

And then I came back with four years and I was like, nope. Maybe if I had 10. And I come back with 12 and I'm like, maybe if I had a life sentence. All right. So you passed the test. I passed the test. Yeah, no. So, all right.

So you cop. You cop out to 12.5. Where do you go? I went to, so, you know, the reception center for the feds is Oklahoma. Yeah. So then I went to Oklahoma for that little experience. And then I went to FCI Tucson. All right. So that's a real penitentiary. No. The USP Tucson. Oh, is the bad one. Yeah. But that's like a sex offender place or something over there. Is it? I know that I know they had kingpins there. Maybe they changed it.

It's always changing. I don't know, though. But FCI, so you were out of medium. Well, you know, some of them penitentiaries, I'm sure them kingpins, a lot of them kingpins ain't violent dudes. No. So they could go, you know what I mean? They go anywhere they want to go.

That guy, little Darrell from the bay, he was a crack kingpin from Oakland. Yeah. He was at Tucson. His son actually made it to the NBA, but he's doing life at, I think, USP Tucson. Yeah. So USP for people who don't know is our master. Maximums. They're maximum security prisons.

USP, United States penitentiary. An FCI usually is like a medium, right? Yeah. Okay, so you were at a medium in Tucson. So tell us about that. Federal prisons are fascinating. Please, I'm intrigued to hear your experience there. Who does you roll with, first of all?

I'm a white boy everywhere I go. So, but like when I was in Arizona, I was real, real tight with the islanders. like the Samoans and the Hawaiians and the Tongans and and like that I think that little bond even started in the county jail in Utah because in the Bay Area we didn't like I never really associated much with islanders we didn't have very many but then when I went to Utah they have like a strong presence there yeah so then I started like becoming cordial with some of the Tongans there and And the islanders are just good people, man. They're friendly people. They are friendly people. Even the gangsters.

Exactly. And they, I mean, they got that little, they flipped the switch and turn into psychos when they need to, but they're just good people, man. And that was the kind of people that I was drawn to, man. So like in, in FCI Tucson, I was really, really tight with the islanders. But I still ran with the white boys. And who in a medium, who are the white cars in federal, like, medium security prisons? The low riders?

Nazi lowriders? No, I would probably say like the skinheads or something. You know what I mean? Like I didn't see very many Nazi lowriders. Is there any influence of the brand? I think there's always an influence of the brand everywhere you go. Like they locked anybody down in them throughout the whole Bureau of prisons during the sentencing phase of the Aryan Brotherhood trial.

don't know because they thought they was going to give them the death penalty. So they got scared that anybody that knew them dudes was going to kind of like start bucking if they gave them the death penalty. So they locked down every single person that had any kind of ties to them dudes. And there was only four of us on the yard that ended up in the hole. Wow. So, and one of them was an Indian. Wow. This is recent too, right? This is the last five years or so. No, no. This was 2006-ish maybe. It was whenever that first trial, because they had, another trial going on right or another court case the federal trial i meant the you i'm not like the there's the brand is has a presence in state prisons but it's usually just california and

texas but in the feds there all over the country yeah so at fcii tucson what were the white boys you say it was the skinheads um did you get into dope dealing when you were in there yeah fuck yeah i was dope dealing immediately how does that look in prison uh Like, how did it work? Like, how did we get it? Or what do you mean? All of it, yeah. We didn't get shit from the cops, bro.

The majority of the time the shit was getting, if it's getting flown in, you know, or throwing over the fence. Dron? I don't know if we don't want to expose that, right? Are there any drone action? No, but, bro, we was getting fucking balls throwing over that fence this fucking big. In tennis balls? in soft balls, bro, tennis balls was a small ball.

We was trying to get pounds throwing that motherfucker cell phones. Wow. Bruh, it was like at one point, I'm sitting in my cell. No, I'm sitting in front of my cell. So my cell was on the top tier and my home boy's cell

kind of went back to like the access of the roof. So it was kind of like in the cubby hole. So this one of these big moves, the cops had somebody snitched on us. somebody's throwing shit over the fence and then they said and the white dudes walked into fucking mesquite our unit

so I'm sitting on this motherfucking top tier being the point man and the fucking cop comes in and he looks up to me and says don't move and he's just doing this and fucking the next cop goes walking up and these dudes on the other side of the fucking TV room are tattooing so they see him in there fucking jumping around and thinking they're

doing something so they raid their house And meanwhile, we're over here with the fucking mother load, bro. That's how it was like that fucking close. That close to be caught with a ball of dope. We had a pound of weed in that motherfucker heroin, cell phones. We had it all in one fucking room. But we didn't have no choice. I mean, we didn't think somebody was going to snitch on us four seconds after we come in the fucking yard.

Right. Holy shit. No, dude. We, that, I'm telling you. That's, we was fucking. That's real. We tried to have that place like it was the streets, bro. So you were moving.

product. You were eating. We were fucking doing good in that place. How much were you making off of selling dope in prison? Well, bro, honestly, in those level facilities, it doesn't last long because people are telling on everybody. It was like it wasn't like as beneficial as you would think, especially on that yard. We just was able to have fun party. It was like, bro. But how do you pay for a pound of dope though? It's still not free. Oh, I know, but you have. We have our people out there. somebody goes home that we tell the whole, the whole rundown with,

you know, this is when we call and tell you to go here, homie, you just go. Don't ask why, you know what I mean? We don't want to be all long-winded on the telephone and all that type of stuff.

And these people are in, bro, these fools are getting fucking Bammer weed. So it ain't like it's some big ass, motherfuckers are smoking toothpicks in there and getting high. And they don't care about the weed. You're not going to have a pound of

chronic thrown over the fucking fence because at that time it was probably four grand or something. Now it's different. But you still got to turn a profit. You got to have, you still got to pay for it. It was like,

were you using cash or were you trading? I mean, we was doing the stamps thing. Yeah. Everybody does stamps. But a lot of times we'd have street to street. You know,

when your people come and visit, you have your people send you money. And mainly, bro, it was just to where we could sit on them, the computers all day and do whatever the fuck we want. Excuse me. Talk on cell phones. I mean, bro, that, that, I tell all the guys that we was in that institution with,

there will never be another group or another way that a prison was ran the way we had that ran. Bro, I had guys telling me after I left, they was like, dude, motherfucking cops was pulling us over talking about, Maddie ain't here no more. You guys ain't getting away with this shit. We're putting a stop to this. bro we had it it was it was like no matter how how much i hype up how good we had it in that fucking institution it could never compare it actually how yeah how well we had wow wow do you think you had it on lock compared to the other races oh yeah wow bro these fools look it so white boys

know how to bid bro so i i got i went in to get um put in for a transfer to go to a drug program facility and this was like a saturday so i'm i'm like my countenel or calls me over there. I'm like, yeah, I want to go to Oxford, Wisconsin for the drug program. And he's like, you're from California. I said, well, I got an address right here. And I gave him an address to some house for sale that I found and fucking, or had my brother fine. So this is Saturday. So Sunday, Monday, he's off. Tuesday, this fool comes in and says, you're designated. And I'm like, you're fucking kidding me. So I go in there and I'm talking to the food administrator. And he's like, I'm actually surprised it took that long.

I'm surprised they didn't get rid of you a long time ago. He goes, they hold you fucking responsible for every bad thing that happens on this yard. You, one fucking person. If the black dudes got dope, they fucking are trying to throw you in that mix somehow. Somehow you made that happen. But you never got popped with any dope. Never. Wow.

Thank God. Never. Do they usually charge people? Like, at what level of quantity inside of prison do they give you another charge for? in your estimation. Uh, fuck, bro. I think it depends. I mean, I think they always...

Yeah, they probably always send that shit out. Yeah. And then, bro, but like at the end of the sentences, people were getting more money off tobacco. So like that told markup on tobacco kind of took over the drug trade. Right. Because you could buy a $10 bag of tobacco and sell it for $1,000. It's crazy.

So, guards are driving new trucks. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's wild. It's wild. It's wild. Everybody started... It's not even a new charge.

It's not even a new dope charge. It's just a hole shop. It's contraband. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Even if you go to the hole, you might not even go to the hole for no tobacco. Exactly.

Yeah. Wow. So you really, damn, you really had it good in there. Bro, state prison too. State prison, we had fucking, me and my cellie had boxes under the bed of food. And we had motherfucking irons to cook our food on. Wow. Bro, we, we had it.

You have it better in prison than you had it on the streets? Like, serious. It was easier, bro. Yeah. If that's what you're asking. For me, prison was easy. I came home and was shoved into the reality fast. And you're talking, I was 37 years old before I had to pay car insurance, fucking mortgages and anything like that, bro.

Yeah, you were the scariest kind of dude to be around in prison. Somebody was like, look at how much fun we're having. Oh, yeah. That would make me, like, say, Mitchell, you got to get the. fuck out of here. Stat. And don't hit the ground running. Do not associate with this guy.

Yeah. Just just because like I would feel like such a loser. Like I would, I would be so terrified that I was going to become that. Yeah. Because I did notice it start to get kind of comfortable like the longer and more used to it I got. So I had to remind myself like, no, no, no, no, no, no. You're going to get out of here and and make something to yourself.

Yeah. So I had to consciously like train my mind. Oh yeah. Because it's scary. business attitude before you went there. Of course. Of course. Yeah.

I should have been in the feds. I should have been around businessmen, you know. Yeah. But I was going to make all the right plugs, bro. I know. That's the other dangerous thing, though, is I had people like, hey, when you get out, here's my number. I had, it was different.

Like the state that never happened. In the feds, whole different story. Just make connections. Them guys are like, yeah. And then they see how you carry yourself or you're different. than these other fucking cats, man. Like I seen people go up to the cartel dudes and be like, hypothetically speaking,

if somebody had a hundred grand, what could we make happen? And this dude was like nothing, motherfucker. I work with metric tons. You're over here talking about 100 grand. And he said that in a room full of everybody, bro. I was like, God damn. Yeah, I ain't never bringing up 100 grand

like it's nothing. Right. Yeah. So you get out, you go to the drug program. I went to the drug program in the ARDAP So the feds had that little Ardap program that gets you a year knocked off your sentence. Right. So I went to that.

Then I came home. How long did you? Did you spend your whole stretch at Tucson? No, then I went to, I went to Wisconsin for the Ardap program. I see. Okay, got it. So but the majority of your time was in Tucson. Hell, yeah.

Okay, gotcha. You didn't have to move around, which is nice. Yeah. Moving around is the worst. So how long did you do off at 12 and a half? 10. Okay. So I got arrested in September of 04 and October of.

of 04, I was released into probation. I still bro 14. Yeah. Gotcha. Wow. 10, exactly. Yeah. Yeah.

So you came home. Where does the rap come in? So I've always loved rap, bro. And I know that it seems like, uh, like I'll have people in my fucking comment sections. Like, man, stop faking about, uh, stop faking who you are or whatever. I'm like, motherfucker, I'm a white boy, bro. And I've grew up listening to rap. So what the fuck do you want me to, to, what kind of music do you?

you want me to make. Country? Is that not like doing what they're saying I'm doing by being a rap artist? Like, I'm faking. So if I'm not from the fucking country, how do I go make country music? You know what I mean? I'm from the Bay Area, bro, where everybody listens to fucking hip hop. And I just love rap music. And honestly, bro, before, like when I was in Wisconsin, I never thought I was coming home. You know what I mean? Because of all the fame shit that was going on while I was incarcerated. Like murder cases were happening. My best friend went into the witness protection. You know, so I was like, and you know, the feds are famous for waiting until the last minute to come and pick you up and then add more charges because why would they come early? So this whole time that I'm in Wisconsin, I was just miserable. It was the worst fucking time I'd ever done, bro. And it was the end of my sentence.

Wow. And so you assumed you were going to get roped in? I assumed that I was never going home. Wow. So when did you start rap? Did you start rapping when you were in the side? I started writing. Okay. So while I was there, the only thing that like brought peace to my mind, bro, was writing. And I would write like spoken word type shit because I didn't know how to write onto a beat. I wish I would have because at that time they had the little MP3s that I could have been downloading rap beats to and writing and all that. So I was just writing with no music involved. It was just like writing gangster poetry every fucking day, bro.

I spent hours and hours and hours just writing. Wow. And then my brother had tried to get us into rap a long time ago as probably a way out or whatever. And I mean, both of us just love rap, bro. So I came home. I had a couple kids. My kids' mom was fucked up on alcohol and prescription pills. So we ended up like I kicked her out.

I moved in with my brother, and then I started making music. We went to some fucking crack house, bro, one time, and I learned how to write to the beat, to whereas before, it was like, okay, I'm going to write this song, and then when I'm going there with the producer, and he's going to have to punch me in every line, you know what I mean? It was a, but then once I taught myself, it's like this, bro, the only thing up until I was 37 that I thought that I could do well was sell drugs.

It was my comfort zone. You know what I mean? So then once I started being able to write and realize that I actually could write music, bro, it like, it, like changed my life. It was like, I mean, you got to imagine. Imagine you never being able to ride a bike and you jump on that bike and realize that you could ride that bike like fucking, like you're good at it. You had a knack for it pretty much right away. Yeah. And it just, it makes me feel as close to the game as I want to be.

You know what I mean? It's like I could talk about all my experiences. I could relive all the crazy shit that I went through through my music. It's kind of like being an alcoholic's anonymous.

You get to talk about the old days so you don't have to go back to it. Yeah, but you know what? I never looked at that like that. That's why I do this podcast. That's a fucking clever way of fucking viewing that, man. That's dope.

But yeah, that's my, that's why I love the music. It keeps me sane, bro. You know what I mean? Like my mind is one of those minds, man that just like if if I don't have something constantly to look forward to or like keep my brain busy it starts doing the worst things that it can do you know what I mean I get right back to starting from fucking scratch and right before you know it I'm looking for a bag and yeah so you've been

rapping for 10 years I've been rapping for five I didn't start when I first came home oh wow so this was this was like five years ago oh so you're doing well for how new you are yeah you know but I mean that's another thing. I feel like because of the street credibility, like, it's easy for people where I'm at to be like, this dude is not bullshit. And, you know, in rap music, the authenticity. Of course. Flourishes. Yeah. And that was, yeah, like, I couldn't go be a gangster rapper. Yeah. It just wouldn't sell. Oh, yeah. And, bro, I've tried to ask my producer one time. I was like, bro, I need you to get in here because this fool, like his ability to do hooks

and all that type of shit is dope. I was like, going there and talk about some gangster shit for me. And he was like, I can't go in there and talk gangster shit, bro. I ain't never lived that life. And I respected it. I was like, bro, this is music. Doesn't matter. I don't want to do that.

I was like, all right. No, but it's like in your videos, you guys are pointing guns. And you can tell them shit's are real. And you got the Irish flags draped over you. Like, it's a brand. Yeah. It's a really good. it's you see how with just a little more exposure like you're going to hit something yeah you know

it's real good rap and and you don't rap like traditional bay area rappers i don't think you know obviously e40 is the you know invented like the fast rap like the you know the soliloquies i get off your head like a yeah yeah exactly you're not using that so you're not derivative which is great you want to be your own person but like who were your bay area Matt Trey. Of course, right. Period. Of course. That's my only Bay Area.

Yeah. Bro. When I went to prison in 2004, there was no debate. There was no fucking who is the man. He was the biggest Bay Area. He was a Bay Area legend before he got killed. Fuck, yes. Bro.

When I was in the Utah County Jail and people were telling me they didn't know who MacDray was, bro, I thought these motherfuckers were aliens. Square. I'm like, what the fuck? Yeah. How the fuck do you not know who Mac Dre is, bro? Did you ever know him from the street or anything? No.

Unfortunately, no. But my entire life was in fucking jail, bro. From the time I was 20 to 37, I had two years free. So it was just like, I was always telling jail. Was it hard to stay away from the dope game when you first came home? Yeah. Brough. Imagine having everything you want coming home and have to drive for Uber.

You know what I mean? That shit hurt my pride, bro. I was fucking sick. Believe me, there was many nights that I set. And to this, like I had one of my whole. home boys that passed away from Ohio and bro we started I know that this fool was a hustler and I was like let's focus this energy somewhere else so we started trying to do like home flips or whatever but he got he passed away in a car accident before that could happen but I know that that direction was going to go from

that motherfucking thing to the other direction bro because I was needing it he was needing it it was just like we was starving for for that that hustle yeah so i mean bro there was it was every night when i came home for the first two or three years i wanted to sell drugs bro and you're in the perfect environment for it you're back every squalor but but this was my first time coming home bro where everybody wasn't selling drugs you know what i mean my my brother was uh working in a refineries my sister was doing teeth so it wasn't like you know what i mean my brother was uh previous. So like, it's hard to come home and do right when you come home and everybody's doing wrong. You know what I mean? What are you going to do? You're seeing everybody have money and

doing whatever the fuck they want and you're getting up at five in the morning going to work every fucking day struggling. So what do you think was different? Do you think it's because everybody used to roll with? My kids. Ah, right. My kids, bro. My son Matthew, bro. I lay in there and I'd be like, man, how am I going to do this? If I go to fucking jail and I got to raise this kid and I knew that they wanted me. You know what I mean? My probation officer made it clear.

He's like, bro, we're going to watch you for the rest of your fucking life. Just because of the amount of drugs you got busted with. It's just going to, there is always going to be that constant. So it was like, how do I do this? How do I tell my homeboy, okay, I'm going to get a burner phone and I don't know. It was just like,

but laying in bed at night, bro, I thought about my son. And I was like, I don't, I don't want to be away from this little rascal ever. And this is going to keep me away forever. And the next time it ain't going to be like, oh, let's try to figure out a way to give you 150 months because the traffic law was fucked up.

It was... Yeah. Yeah, it was like you turn yourself around like your own father turned himself around. Yeah, exactly. For my kids, bro. Do you think your mom being gone helps keep you away from the game? Bro.

So when I got to the halfway house, I didn't know how to use the cell phone like the MapQuest thing or whatever we was still on the next tail shit in 2004 where you at or whatever the fuck it was so I go

they give me these little directions on how to get to the meetings I have to go to and I got lost so I'm downtown mad is madder and a hornet bro and I called my sister I said I'm fucking done with this shit I don't know how to ride public transportation you know I don't know

how to do any of this shit and I'm over it. I don't want to do this no more. And I know that if my mom was home, my mom wouldn't have been like, call Clint, my sister's husband. And I call my sister's husband. He's like, bro, you got fucking directions on your phone. Relax.

It's not that serious. He's like, call the drug counselor and explain the situation. And, uh, but I, bro, and this was like two weeks in, two weeks of being free. And I was like, nah, I don't want to do this no more. Wow. So if my mom would, have been home, bro. I think it would have been different.

Yeah. Unfortunately, and I don't want to like make my mom out to, my mom was a beautiful person, bro. Took in people. She was just a, my mom had a good heart, but she, like, my dad, my dad corrupted that woman's mind and she just ran with it.

What happened to your mom's old gang, her old people that you used to see growing up? Fuck, man, they all passed away. Like, Or locked up. Or locked up.

Yeah. Did you see anybody around you get life? Oh, yeah. My cousin got life. Bro. Yeah. All kinds of people I grew up around are spending their whole lives in prison. Over murders?

Murders, yeah. What is Rodeo like today? Oh, man. Rodale is just not what it used to be, bro. It's like a... A bunch of homeless people. It's just like, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's just like, uh, I don't know if you could figure out a place down here where it's just like you go there and it's just a homeless people are everywhere. And I don't know. It's just like places are shutting down that have been there forever. And it's just like, even though they try to change it and put like little fancy things in front of the, in, in, uh, like road dividers. And it's just, it's just, it's just not the same. And it's like. Well, it doesn't. Well, it doesn't. sound like it used to be. I mean, you grew up in a gang, meth-infested place. I mean,

is it worse than that? Yeah, it's worse because now it's like it's ran down, bro. When we, when we was growing up, it's like the crank hat and just devastated the town. Right. You know what I mean? It was like an isolated issue where these guys up here were selling drugs and you had the projects, was doing whatever they was doing, but like where else? Right. Wasn't like you had big drug dealers in viewpoint. You know what I mean? So it was. It's like, I don't know, man. It's kind of crazy because I felt like my dad controlled a lot of the ignorant shit. You know what I mean?

Like motherfuckers, tweakers and all that type of shit wouldn't even come up to the neighborhood. They'd be scared of my dad. Right. So, yeah, because crank smokers or users weren't tweakers. Yeah. Now it's all tweakers. Right. So it's just, it's everything has changed, man.

So it's like if I was from anywhere, I'm sure it would be like, all this is just different now, especially after you come home. And I was in Oakland in the hills for seven months or my halfway house shit. And it was actually nice out there. So then I go to fucking rodeo. And I'm like, what the fuck? This doesn't even seem like the town that I remember as a little kid. Yeah.

Wow. What a fascinating story about like small town America, even though it's part of this like huge urban, rich place. like it's a different fucking world. It's the other side of California. Yeah. People think Cali and they think the beautiful coast. They think San Francisco, Hollywood, San Diego, surfers.

But then you go enough inland. Not anywhere outside of California. Right. But then you go enough inland, man. Just 40 miles inland. And you have a different fucking world. Yeah. When you get it like in the Fed,

bro and you tell people you're from California, you're the person that they want to know. Right. Them over is like, hold on, bro. You're the connect. Right. We want to get to know you. But what a,

what a fascinating story. We've never had anyone like you on here, man. Man, that's dope. So, look, you're the real deal, Maddie Boy. Shout yourself out. Tell the people where they can go, find your music.

Man, look for me. Maddie boy everywhere. On some of the social medias, it's like Maddie Boy 417 because Maddie boy's already taken, but like streaming, YouTube, everything, it's Maddie Boy. Hell yeah, dude. That's what's up. Are you play live shows?

Yeah. I just did my, like, the biggest live show I've done so far like a month ago. But it's kind of hard, bro. Like my following and the majority of everybody else is following in the hip hop community is kind of, it's kind of different. You know what I mean? I got a bunch of fucking crazy white boy bikers and all this shit come to the show. Well, look, that's the niche. So just start from there. right? Like, that's how all the Bay Area rappers, you know, too short was selling out, you know, tapes out of his trunk. So you just got to get that E40 feature, man. We got to figure out how to do that. I see, I see that one cat had the 49ers anthem song. Oh, man, bro, that shit blew up, right? My homeboy is the one that recorded that video. Yeah, that's your people sent it to me. Yeah. And he got had 40 on there,

and the whole Bay is loving it. Yeah, hell yeah. And like, that's why the Bay area is cool is because you can actually get on and kind of blow up just from local support. Well, and my partner Vidal, who works close with Cosmo, another, Cosmo's like a producer that's got songs with Benny the butcher and like classic shit. He works on Burner's albums all the time. So I've got like associated with certain people like that through other people. And, you know, I think, I think in the Bay Area, my name is vibing right now. So it ain't going to be too long before. Keep pushing, man.

Yeah, hell yeah. Fuck it. That's dope. All right, Maddie boy. Well, we're going to switch over, talk on the Patreon for a little bit and then get you out of here. But it was a pleasure. Yeah, likewise, man. I had a good time.

Hell yeah. Me too. Peace out, guys.