The Connect- with Johnny Mitchell - Is Garth Brooks A Serial Killer? Exposing The Dark Secrets Of Country Music's Biggest Star

Episode Date: November 10, 2025

Author Matt Cox joins the show to unpack an online conspiracy linking country megastar Garth Brooks to clusters of disappearances and unsolved homicides—claims that exploded from Tom Segura & Christina P’s Your Mom’s House meme into a crowdsourced rabbit hole. We stress: these are allegations and speculation, not proven facts. Still, Matt walks us through why some internet sleuths think the timelines and tour stops are suspicious, how “organized” offenders evolve, and what retired profilers and a former tour roadie allegedly told him about the logistics that make this theory feel possible. In this episode (allegations discussed): -The YMH spark and why the guest decided to write a book with a formerly incarcerated co-author. -What “heat-map” patterns of missing persons around tour dates might suggest—and where that logic breaks. -Interviews with retired FBI profilers, criminologists, a Hollywood producer, and an anonymous roadie (under NDA). -Early cases near Oklahoma State University, the move to Nashville, and a controversial first big purchase: 300 acres of rural land. -Touring mechanics: slipping away between load-ins, rest-stop encounters, and the “suitcase” hypothesis. -Vegas residency years, access to a private jet, and why some claim disappearances spiked. -Why a simple on-air appearance could defuse the rumor—and why that may never happen. Go Support Matt! Book: https://a.co/d/gV8O25l Podcast: @InsideTrueCrime This Episode Is #Sponsored By The Following: FRE! Listeners get 20% off their first order at https://FREPOUCH.COM when you use code CONNECT at checkout. That’s 20% your first order with code CONNECT. CASHAPP! https://capl.onelink.me/vFut/1ekoiacn #CashAppPod. Cash App is a financial services platform, not a bank. Banking services provided by Cash App’s bank partner(s). Prepaid debit cards issued by Sutton Bank, Member FDIC. See terms and conditions at https://cash.app/legal/us/en-us/card-agreement. Discounts and promotions provided by Cash App, a Block, Inc. brand. Visit http://cash.app/legal/podcast for full disclosures. MANDO! As a special offer for listeners, new customers get 20% off sitewide with our exclusive code. Use code MITCHELL at https://ShopMando.com for 20% off sitewide + free shipping. Join The Patreon For Bonus Content! https://www.patreon.com/theconnectshow 00:00 Introducing the Gar Brooks Conspiracy 01:55 About Matt Cox & Deep Dive Into the Case 04:05 Origins of the Viral Conspiracy Theory 07:00 Research Methods & Eliminating False Leads 10:30 Victim Patterns & Serial Killer Psychology 13:40 Serial Killers and Childhood Trauma 16:50 Gar Brooks' Childhood and Personality 19:20 This Episode Is Sponsored By FRE! 22:21 How the Theory Went Viral Online 23:00 Brooks' Silence & Celebrity Response 27:05 Linking Tour Dates to Disappearances 31:50 Early Homicides and College Years 36:00 The Nashville Years & First Record Deal 40:51 This Episode Is Sponsored By Cashapp and Mando! 44:32 Touring Lifestyle and Opportunities 48:05 Logistics: How Could Brooks Commit the Murders? 55:00 Connecting the Dots: Victim Demographics & Methods 01:03:00 The Vegas Residency & Private Plane Theory 01:09:00 Patterns Around Properties & Geographic Profiling 01:14:15 Recent Cases & Modern Technology Challenges 01:23:50 The Chris Gaines Alter Ego & Disassociation 01:31:15 Developing the Book & Challenges of Proof 01:35:45 Law Enforcement, Evidence, and Cold Cases 01:45:00 Psychological Profile: Narcissism, Lies, and Motivation 01:52:00 Circumstantial Evidence & Patterns 01:59:15 The Most Damning Cases and Eyewitness Accounts 02:06:00 Can Gar Brooks Ever Be Investigated? 02:10:00 Final Thoughts, Book Details, and Call to Action Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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If you lined up all these missing people and unsolved homicides, all of them would converge onto Garth Brooks. The amount of missing people in Nashville triples while he's in town. I have no doubt that many of these victims could have willingly gone with Garth because of his fame. Listen, I'll be shocked if Trish makes it out alive. He's a monster. Today's guest is Matt Cox. Many of you know Matt already is the host of the Inside True Crime podcast. But recently, Matt also published a book doing a deep dive into the Garth Brooks serial killer conspiracy. In case you're unaware, there's a growing conspiracy theory online that country music legend Garth Brooks is a serial killer.

In fact, his location can physically be linked to hundreds of unsolved homicides and disappearances that go back to the 1980s. What began as a joke on a podcast quickly became a viral sensation all over the internet, so much so that Matt decided to do some. digging. Through painstaking research, Matt traces Garth's exact location to the same area as each of these unsolved homicides and disappearances, beginning from when Garth was in college, up until as recently as his 2024 nationwide tour. Matt also interviewed FBI serial killer experts, families of the victims, as well as people who worked closely with Garth for years. What he concluded was that the probability of Garth Brooks being the serial killer responsible for all of these crimes is extremely high.

There are just too many coincidences. All of this is detailed in Matt's new book, Bodies and Low Places, available now on Amazon where it's quickly becoming a bestseller. You got to go read this thing. It's a quick read, and it's absolutely chilling to think how a serial killer like Garth Brooks could get away with these crimes for so long. All right, you guys, get ready to have your mind blown.

Bodies in low places by our man, Matthew Cox, right here on The Connect with Johnny Mitchell. What the fuck? I'm doing God's work. What the fuck? You've written a book alleging with strong circumstantial evidence that Garth Brooks,

the most popular country music singer in history, he's actually the number one selling artist, I believe, in the world. Like I think he might even be up there with Michael Jackson. I've heard different statistics, yes. Hundreds of millions of albums sold. Yeah, 170 million. Yeah. So 170 million and 120 missing people and 80, roughly 80 unsolved homicides in his wake. Yeah. Now, did you started writing this book? You wrote it with your boy Pierre, who you were locked up with. Yes. Did you start writing this before Tom Segura and your mom's

House, the comedy podcast, started breaking this conspiracy? No, I learned about it from Tom Seguer. I saw an episode. I thought it was hilarious. I then started consuming all Seguro's stuff. And then I contacted Pierre in prison and told him, we have to write a book about this. And we've written several books, several true crime books while we were both incarcerated and even worked on several, while once I got out. You know, we would still correspond through the Corlink system, federal email system.

And so I talked to him about it. We started gathering up evidence. He started compiling the evidence and really getting into it. And really initially when I, you know, I'm on the phone with him explaining this whole thing to him. And his first response was,

come on, man, I got, what are you doing? What are you doing? Yeah, I got to get out of here. I have better stuff to do. I got a life to live. I'm trying to win my appeal. Yeah. Right.

He's trying to get out of prison. And I'm saying, no, no, listen, you don't understand. And this is, this is super interesting. And so then he starts looking at the data and, and he starts going, statistically, this is, there's a lot of these. Like we start getting in the, we actually hired two, two researchers to pull all the day. Listen, he, the guy, he's got, this, he doesn't have like a few hundred tour dates. He's got thousands of tour dates.

He's, Garth's been touring almost with the exception of about 10. years, nonstop for roughly 30 years. Since 1990. Yeah. 35 years. No. Yeah. In the, yeah.

In the, I was going to say in the 80s, in the 80s, too, he was touring because he was doing, he was doing, um, uh, the fairground tours, I believe. I believe it was in the 80s or 90s. So if you were going to pull up like a heat map, you know how like law enforcement pulls up maps of all these homicides, right? In whatever section, whatever district, you know, you, you, you, you, you, you, the, you, you, you, the there'd be a lot of red around where Garth Brooks has lived and around where Garth Brooks has stopped to perform concerts. Yeah, if you lined up all these missing people and unsolved homicides and you drew had had string wrapped around the pins, you know, like a crazy person, all of them would converge onto Garth Brooks.

Right. Right. And none of these, all of these bodies, whether they're disappeared people or. or actually victims that they found in the woods or on the side of the road. Right. All of these are unsolved. Yeah. Over 120 of them are unsolved. Oh, I'm sorry. You're saying the homicides.

Yes. The homover, there's roughly 80, like 81, 82, unsolved homicides and over 120 missing persons. Right. Yes. Sorry. So it's just important to point that out. Like nobody else has been placed with these bodies. No.

It's not like there's, it's not like they've, they've made a, a couple of, They made arrests on any of these. No. And keep in mind that when we did the research, there were actually more than just what we came up with. There was a significantly more. But when you get them and you start looking through the paperwork that you can get from law enforcement and you can get online, you know, we would see that like a person was a gangbanger, right?

Like he's a member of a gang and the police believe that it was a drive-by shooting and whatever. Well, then we discard that. Right. It doesn't matter if that guy just went to a Garthbrook's concert and it happened in the parking lot. It doesn't matter. It was it, the police believed that it's a drive-by shooting. He was a gang member. So, no, we're taking.

Or let's say the person was, you know, the person he was, this person was last seen with was, for instance, there's a description of him. And he's, he's, he's, he has dreadlocks. You know, okay, well, that's not, that can't possibly be Gar. So we discarded lots and lots of, it's not like we picked anybody that went missing when Garth was at this arena. No, that's not what happened at all. There's maybe, it might be six or seven. We're just discarding all of them with the exception of the ones that they cross path with Garth. And it's a lot of young people, like 21-year-old females, African-American, black, white, all the way up to like homeless people in their 60s.

And that's the sign of a serial killer where there's no rhyme or reason to the victims. It's one of the reasons serial killers go uncought for decades sometimes. Well, certain is they have no connection personally to the victims. Correct. No connection, yes. But some serial killers do have a specific type. Like Ted Bundy had a specific type, right? But there's also another subsection.

There's multiple different types of serial killers, obviously. And some of them are, there's spree killers. There's, and there are opportunists, right? So these are people that the opportunity presents itself. and he takes it. And it's not sexual in nature because a lot of these, a lot of them have

their kind of sexual deviance and as a result they're going after certain types. None of these have a sexual component to them which also in a way kind of connects them. Right. Because we're not saying these 15 had,

that they were, you know, they were assaulted, right? They weren't, they weren't, you know. Rape or anything. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I know if you beep them out or not. You know, they weren't sexual.

assaulted, right? They were, you know, obviously they were all assaulted. But these, you know, these 15 people weren't sexually assaulted. So, or, or were sexually assaulted, you know, we're saying if there was a sexual assault, then that's not something where, that's also something we're kind of excluding, unless there was overwhelming evidence that connected them. Also, the, as he goes on, as he gets more power, more fame, more money, more access, and more ability to get people to do whatever you want. Basically, when he comes above reproach, right, as a celebrity, you see the bodies and the disappearances around him start to increase. Yes. And it's because serial killers are opportunistic and they become, I think, what the FBI

agent calls more organized. Right. Meaning as they move on in life, some of them get married, just like Garth, they start to find what works for them when it comes to killing. So, And that's, that tracks Garth. Well, what really, Mr. Brooks. Also what, what track, also what happens to is when he eventually does get this one people we can get into this one piece of property and has money, then there are more and more people that are go missing as opposed to prior to that where the bodies you find them. Right.

He has nowhere to put them. No. So, you know, we could, I don't know, if you want to. I talk about the, the, what potentially could have, there's typically trauma and, and, and, yeah, yeah, we'll get to that. Okay. Sorry. So, yes.

And when he gets a private plane. Yeah. When he gets, uh, you know, his own pilot and he has his own crew, you see bodies starting to disappear from other states. Right. And the theory is that he was folding these bodies up after he killed them into huge trunks. or huge suitcases, giving it to his crew and say, hey, put that on the jet, and then flying them back to his property in Tennessee

and burying them on his 300-acre estate, basically. Right. I wouldn't even say huge. 120-pound woman fits in a suitcase. Just like a regular suitcase. Sure. Did you remember the guy that his girlfriend recently convinced him to climb in the suitcase and zipped it up and then just let him suffocate?

talk. Yeah, that's a full grown man. Right. And he fit in like a regular ass suitcase. Absolutely. Yeah. Not everybody's six. I know. I forget that. Unfortunately. So, wow. Okay. So, and I want to point out in this book, too, you guys, I could fit in one of those igloo coos. You present well, but in real life, buddy, you are fucking vertically challenged. right, friend. You went and you legitimately do your homework. You interviewed retired FBI serial killer profilers.

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You talk to a former producer of his in Hollywood that just talks about his sociopathy and his, you know, basically his incredible selfishness and narcissism is willing to. The one that sued. You're right. Yeah. Yeah. She sued him. She sued him.

Yeah. Yeah. So he's. Yeah. So you did your homework. The book is great. I mean, I was going to say that the producer. the roles that he just turned out.

Oh, he was going to be in saving Private Ryan? I mean, it's insane. Some of the, some of the, the, you've got Steven Spielberg saying, I want to put you in one of my movies. What can I do for you? I'll play a dog. What can I do for you, Garth? Yeah. What do you want me to do?

I'll be the butler. Yeah. Just to be in it. No, no, I want to be the lead role. He's supposed to be in Twister. Yeah, he wanted to be the tornado and Twister. No. He said the tornado was going to, no, the lead role is the tornado.

He's like, I would be said, the actors are. secondary to the tornado. Like, you're an idiot. So check it out, Stephen. I want you to put my face on the tornado. Can we do that? So let's just go into it because it's a great book and it's a quick read. Most serial killers, all serial killers have trauma. They have it ingrained in them probably genetically too, but there's there's trauma that takes place in their childhood, usually abuse, but definitely at least some trauma. And then that gets triggered by an environmental factor later on. And it leads them to start killing.

Garth Brooks grew up in a house where we don't know if there was any. It doesn't appear at least from the outside looking in that he went through any kind of like Michael Jackson, Joe Jackson, whoopings, sexual abuse, maybe, but we don't know. Right. No, he's certainly not going to say that. He's certainly not going to say that. But a lot of people think that trauma means, and I only know this from speaking with the psychiatrist, is that trauma doesn't necessarily mean that you were kept in a box for days on hand or you were chained up or beaten regularly. It doesn't necessarily mean that. It could mean kind of like the sort of like you mentioned, the Jackson 5, where they were forced to perform, whether they wanted to or not. And if they didn't do what they do it, they were going to be abused. and it could be it could be being betrayed for instance. So you've got Ted Bundy had trauma because he was raised by his grandparents. He thought they were his parents when in fact his sister was actually his mother. And this comes out when I think he's 12 or 13 years old.

And it was traumatizing to him. He didn't know who do it. I can't trust my parents. They've been lying to me forever. My sister is actually my mother. And as a result, he kind of sank into himself and withdrew into himself and became shy and awkward. and it manifested itself in very, in bizarre ways. Same thing with Dahmer.

There was an issue with Dahmer, similar to that, where he's never beaten. He would say, I love my dad. And they would say, like, I loved my family. We had a good family. He's never beaten, nothing like that. But as a result of some sort of a mental trauma, it changed something in them. And they became dissociated from what you and I would consider a normal relationship and people, they just stopped caring about people in general.

They withdraw into themselves. Those are the kinds of people that can get up and move and never talk to anybody again. Right. Never make a phone call. And that's the disassociation that is attributed to serial killers. Yes. And Garth Brooks also had that with his alter ego, Chris Gaines.

Yes, yes. What I was going to mention for Garth, what we know is, we know that his mother was a budding country music star. Right. We know that she had a career and she got pregnant multiple times and eventually had to give up her career to raise her family. Now, Garth says it was always a wonderful loving relationship or family, you know, unit. But it seems bizarre to me because she, now, she's given up being a country music singer. But she's bitter about it.

She's bitter about it because she's making every one of the children learn an instrument. every week they have a talent contest. They have to get better. They have to perform. Well, what if you don't, what if I don't want to perform? Like, what if I, I want to play soccer instead?

Right. So, but no, that's not an option. So, you know, how does, how did that end up manifesting itself in Garth? And a lot of the people that he went to school with, and they would always say the same thing.

He was always very polite. He was always very nice. It was just the same thing they said about Dahmer and Bundy. You know, oh, he was a great neighbor. He's very quiet. You know, but they also would say he would say he was,

was, he was odd. He was an odd guy. He was very shy and he, he just was a little bit off. Yeah, it seems to be like there's a, it's not that these guys aren't nice or polite, but they're just not all there. Right. Right. Right. Disassociation with like that the empathy and the connectedness that normal people have. Right. This person just doesn't have. We all saw that guy in high school where you're like, that kid in the trench coat at the back of the class. Yeah. Who doesn't bother anyone? he's going to come in and shoot us. Yeah, so it's always the quiet, right? It's a quiet, don't fuck with the quiet kid in the corner.

Right. And clearly, that's a weird childhood, right? Like, you have a mother who is a singer, and we all know how crazy singers are. People in the entertainment industry in general have psychopathic, they have serial killer qualities, but they don't have, I think what they don't have is the psychopathy part. They have the narcissistic part, and they have the Machiavellianism. Yes. Which is like this, I'll get ahead by any means.

I don't care about other people. What I care about is myself. I need to be seen. This is clear from comedians, actors, singers. Garth's mother, like most women back then, had to give up career for, you know, to shit out a couple of kids, right? But they don't really want.

Right. And so, yeah, she's giving, she's forcing her four kids to throw talent shows in the house. Right. This mad, weird. Yeah. Yeah.

So that contributed probably also, just with his genetics, right? I mean, I listen. It's brain chemistry at the end of the day. Even if you say, hey, he's not a serial killer. If you've seen any of his social media, he's odd. He's an odd guy. There's nobody that watches his thing that don't say,

this is, something's not right. Yeah, that's not like a one of us. That's not like a human, like we know humans. Yeah, he's very uncomfortable in his own skin. And that's funny because that's what, that's the whole Seguera thing. That's how they got on to Garth Brooks. Right.

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Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. It got back to Garth. And people went to his shows with signs that said, we wear the body's Garth. Yeah. Holding it up so he could see it. And instead of laughing it off or coming on to the podcast and being like, you guys. Yeah.

Or even somebody, even if you have no sense of humor, you could at least put out an Instagram post saying, you guys, this is like disrespectful to all of the victims of these people and their families. Because these are unsolved homicides. It's insensitive. You shouldn't do this. Right. He does neither of those things. No. No.

What he does is, which is so far. funny because it really, it, it would be a phone call. Yeah. He just ignores it. He ignores it. And the only time, Segarra tells a story on the podcast where he talks, he has, he said he has a mutual friend, he doesn't want to name. He, he had seen him one day and he knew he'd seen Garth.

And he went up to him. Have you heard this? He goes up to him and he says, hey, how's it going? He goes, what's up? He said, did you see Garth the other day? He's like, mm-hmm. And he says, because what? What did you talk about it? Does he know about it? He goes, oh, he knows. He knows. He's,

what did he say? He goes, he goes, does Garth hate me? He goes, Garth doesn't hate anybody, which is such a, of course, you know, of course you're going to say that. So Hollywood. Right. He's like, he doesn't hate anybody. He goes, well, what did he say? He said, when I mentioned it to him, he said, and I said to him, what do you think about that? Have you heard about this? What do you think about it? He goes, what do I think about it? He is, Garth pulled out his phone and went through his, you know, his, uh, his videos on. his phone. And there's a video of Segura playing basketball like 10 years ago. He jumps up to do try and dunk and he's, when he comes down, he falls and breaks his arm. Right. And he's rolling

around screaming. And he, Garth shows that video. He goes, what do I think? He goes, karma. That's what I think. And it was like, it's a disturbing. Yeah. That's a disturbing thing to say, why not, even Rogan, by the way, even Rogan said because Segura brought this up on Rogan's podcast and they talked about it. And of course, you know, uh, Seguro's, he's doing it dead pan. He's Joe, you know, he's trying to like, yeah, this and that. And, you know, and of course, you know, Rogan's not having any of it. He's not going to listen to any of it. He just kind of shakes his head. He shakes it in. And they get to a point where he, he looks at the camera and Rogan says, Garth, listen, you can shut this whole thing down.

Just go on the podcast. He goes, go on the podcast. Christina and Tom are funny people. They're very nice people. This is just a joke. He's playing. He doesn't mean anything. And he says this whole thing because he would.

If he came on the podcast, he could shut it down immediately. And it'd be a joke. But, you know, yeah, even Rogan was saying, like, at least say something. Because just a guy, if he was just a douchebag, just kind of an asshole. right, you would just say, hey, fuck that guy. That's at least a genuine emotion. That's like a human emotion. Garth has displayed neither of those things,

not anger or levity or humor. Yeah. Creepy, weird. Rossini says he doesn't want to address it at all. He doesn't want to address it. He doesn't want to address it. He doesn't want to file suit. He doesn't want to do anything specifically

because it opens him up to disqual a, to discovery. Yeah. Of course, it would be everywhere then. Suddenly, Garth is suing. It would be on the front page of every paper. And then it would open you up. Let's assume the court doesn't throw it out.

They don't throw it out. They say, okay, we're going to move forward. We're going to go to, which I think it would be thrown out. Because it's, you know, it just couldn't go that far. But it would open him up to discovery. And suddenly they'd be able to read all your texts, all your emails, all your, like what? get a search warrant for your property? Yeah, what are you hiding?

Like what comes out at that point? So what do you do? You just hunker down and hope it goes away. Which is the right move, you know? I mean, if we're trying to stir it back up here, but that's what you do when you really want to make something go away, is just completely ignore it. Do you think it's possible that if it got national on podcast,

do you think that there is enough that the Tulsa Police or the Nashville police or the feds could put together enough to get a warrant to go onto his property, his 300-acre property outside of Nashville? You need a couple of dogs. You need a couple of cadaver dogs and walk the property. It's 300 acres. That's a lot. Maybe you need four or five. Take you a few hours. Who knows what, you know, you find a couple spots. You might want to do some. It's not like you have to dig it up. You could do those, the ground sensors where they run that ground sensor over to see if the earth's been disturbed. That's crazy. You know? Could you imagine? Wow.

Or at least, yeah, go at least go talk to him first. Let's, hey, Garth. Yeah. Hey, it's the FBI. You might have. You're not going to have a conversation? Right. I mean, you have, you, look, I mean, listen, look, what?

Listen, the, the amount of bodies that, that this guy, you just couldn't, you couldn't tie me to five, to five missing people and unsolved homicide. A lot of people, a lot of people tour all over the world. all over the country. Yes. But we've got, we've got, look, and what's interesting about that is it, that in and of itself actually makes it more reasonable that he would choose that specific career path. He gets to move constantly. Matter of fact, the FBI did a survey, what was a survey was a study one time,

about serial killers. Do you have any idea the amount of serial killers that are truck drivers or drivers in some way or have some kind of a job where they roam? They're constantly roaming around. Well, do you think they choose that profession because they know they're going to kill people or is it because they have that profession and they have that in them, they have that opportunity and that's what elevates the killing? I think they choose that.

I definitely think they choose it. Well, look, I think who knows if you're going to break out? I mean, becoming a star is such a lottery ticket kind of profession. Like, he couldn't have known he was going to blow up and become a country singer. If he didn't, maybe he would have been a police officer. Maybe something else where, hey, I'm going to be a police officer. And then you get some of these, you know, the police officers that they've had these police officers that have, you know, sexually assaulted, you know, 13, 17 women. And that same officer.

They've asked him to be like they wanted to make him a homicide detective. Oh, no, he turned it down three times. Why did he turn it down three times? Or I don't know. There was a homicide, whatever. They kept trying to promote him because it was an office job. So now he's going to be an office. No, no, I like patrol.

I'll bet you do. Yeah. You know, it speaks to your proclivity. Sure, sure. Okay. And that happens a lot. Yeah. You know, Dennis Raider, B.T.K. Killer.

He had a job where he was a code enforcement, and he drove around. That's all he did was drive the streets, looking for code enforcement. People are complaining about their neighbor, their fences too high. He goes out there. And what happens is he eventually, it gave him the ability to stalk his prey, know their routine, and then one day break in their house and tie them up and torture them and kill them. I mean, this is just what they do. Yeah, it's a confluence of things, right?

It's your proclivity to kill mixed with what you'd like to do as a profession or what you're interested in. And you kind of, you become what you think about. You kind of manifest it. And it comes together because the killing gets more organized. As you'll see when you read the book, the killing gets more specific, more targeted, what FBI agents call more organized. Meaning you actually have a system now. It's not like you see a guy on the side of the road and shoot him because you don't have, the means to move the body.

Right. So it's an opportunistic crime. Yeah. And it starts to become a pattern. That's right. You start to get more and more of the same types of crimes over and over and over again. He's doing the same thing over and over and over again. That's right.

And yeah, it's. I'm starting to get chills. So let's start from the beginning. He is a, he goes to Oklahoma State. He's born in 1962, 1980. He goes to, he graduates and he starts. his college at Oklahoma State. He's a bouncer at a bar

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bounced. At some point, they come into contact. He stalks her possibly. And eventually, what we do know for sure happened, I mean, a lot of this is speculative. But what we know happened is that on her birthday in 1991, that her husband leaves, she stays home. She makes phone calls until about noon, at around noon, someone forces themselves into her apartment. Her husband, did I say boyfriend? Sorry. Her husband went to college. He's also at the university. Stays there all day. Around five o'clock, he comes home and he finds Tracy lying dead on the bed. Stabbed to death. Yeah. This is so, but you could say, all right, well, that's a psychopath, a murder. It happens on college campuses, especially with a lot of young women. Okay.

Right. Unsold. Never solved. Never solved. But it's 1980. There was a lot of unsolved homicides before technology and forensics and all that stuff. Right. At the same time, there's a homeless woman in the same general vicinity, same area on campus that basically lives in the woods on campus. She disappears and she's found, I think, about 30, 45 minutes away in the woods where she's been murdered.

she has been stabbed to death, and she's found, once again, unsolved. No, no sexual assault. No, no sexual assault. And I believe that, I believe Tracy was in January. And she was found in April or, no, in, yeah, in April, but she was found in April. So only a few months later, uh, shortly after that, by the way, he meets his wife. Is that, does that break the pattern? Is that, and lots of people, he, he, Garth meets his wife and they end up getting married. And it's very possible that that kind of breaks that pattern right now. And that's been seen many, many times in serial killers where they're, they're murdering, let's say, prostitutes.

Right. And then they end up hooking up with a woman. They get married. She moves in. And it stops completely. Yeah, wives kill all the fun, don't they? But that does happen with killing is they go on hold. they take a break.

Yeah. Same thing with Dennis Raider. Yeah. Same thing. He went like a decade before between killings. Right. So like the environment, whatever, however their environment changes, it will stall the killing, but it can't really hold it back. If they're true serial killers, they'll kill until the end.

So they either get caught, they die or, et cetera. So he meets, he meets who becomes his wife. I was going to, oh, I was going to say real quick. What typically what happens, if they don't get, if they don't die, or become incarcerated, they sometimes age out of it, is what they say. They get so old that they're so old that they can no longer control a victim. And they're just too old to do it. So they say the successful ones that live the old age, they just age out of it.

It's like just doesn't work for him anymore. They, yeah. So Garth could just get away with it. He could just stop killing and live the rest of his life. Yeah, he gets old and that, you know, your hormones change, your testosterone drops, your estrogen increase, whatever happens, he just something, or something. happens in his life, you know? Like I said, the marriage, the marriage thing stopped for a long time that once they graduated college, though, they moved to Nashville. Right. And suddenly there are people,

he was working at the boot bandit. He worked in the boot band, and getting people boots and trying on shoes and how frustrating is that. So he had started playing music while he was in college at Oklahoma State, gets married. After college, about 19802, 84, he moves to Nashville, because that's where all the country music singers are trying to break out of. Right. So he's struggling. You have to move to Nashville. You got to move to Nashville.

So it was like Hollywood for country singers. So he's there. He's trying to break in. He's playing gigs for free. He's working a shitty job. Are there any bodies between the time that he gets a record contract in 1989 and when he first gets there in 84, are there any bodies? Yeah.

There are three, there are three, I believe it's three women that, that, that, are killed or go missing right that all work near the boot bandit and travel have to walk by there or possibly may have even gone into the boot bandit. I mean, we don't know that, but we know that they all worked right around him. And this is all, we're not talking about years. We're talking about maybe he's there like, he gets discovered very quickly. We're talking about like a year or so. He gets discovered.

He's working in the boot bandit for like a year. Three people end up missing right around the boot bandit. And he gets discovered, they immediately put him on tour to start doing, to start, they give him an album. The album does very well. And then they, of course, the first thing they do is they're not going to dump millions of dollars into your own tour. They put you on a fair tour with other budding artists. And you and four other guys are sleeping on the bus. And you're driving around the United States going from one fairground to another fairground.

Yeah. It's like single A baseball. Right, right. Big Leads yet. Yeah. But you're, no frills. So there's a couple of bodies. And by the way, these are not gun murders yet. It sounds like Garth doesn't have himself a gun.

So he's been stabbing people to death. Yeah. I believe, I believe, yes, yes. Well, actually, I think the one woman, one out of three, I'm almost positive, just disappears. Right. She's just gone. The other ones I think are found near like the Cumberland River.

The Cumberland River has, there's a lot, apparently there's a lot of bodies there now end up in the company. Yeah, and these are also very remote places like the backwoods of Tennessee, Tulsa, Oklahoma. Well, this is, we're talking, I thought we were talking about Nashville right now.

I thought you were talking about that in Nashville. Well, yeah, I know. But if you wanted to disappear a woman back in 1984, in Nashville, you know, it's not overly congested. Yeah, it's not overly congested now. Right. So, so, so, yes, he's on tour.

He's on his fair tour. On the fair tour. There's not a whole bunch that happens on the fair tour, but you have to also understand that he's he's on a bus with three or four other artists. There are people around him constantly during this tour. That goes on for about a year or so. He puts out another album. That one is huge.

They immediately put him on a tour of the United States. But here's what I want to point out. He gets his first big check. You know, they screw you on the first album. You don't get much. He's probably just thrilled to be on a bus playing and making money doing what he, you know, he loves, I guess. But he gets to check for half a million dollars.

He doesn't buy a sports car. He doesn't buy a condo or, you know, a penthouse in downtown Nashville. He goes and buys for $436,000, almost the entire check. He buys 300 acres of raw land. So unimproved land, just 300 acres. Well, it's good to buy land, though. I agree, but this isn't somebody who's, he's not a land speculator. He's not like, he's like, oh, we're going to develop, we're going to put in roads.

You don't know it. And you spent your whole check. Right, right. Raw land takes years. It's very expensive and there's no return on it. That is for an artist, that's pretty weird. It's a weird buy. It might be smart later on in life, but your first purchase, so he doesn't even have money

to probably pay his taxes. Right. So the point, my point is, is that once that happens and he's on tour and he's in Nashville, missing persons and unsolved homicides spikes. Yeah. They spike. Like dozens of disappearances. Dozens of disappearance.

Over the next few years, there's, it's the amount of missing people in Nashville triples while he's in town. And this is very, it's very easy to see this happen over and over again. When he moves to, back to Oklahoma, same thing happens. Right. When he goes to, he ends up doing, doing kind of like a one-man show in Las Vegas, which happens multiple times. Yeah, he's got a residency in Vegas.

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freshness. Yeah, so he keeps the piece of land in outside of Nashville. Yes. This little Nashville suburb. He keeps that piece of raw land, which later on in life, he builds an estate, a house on, which he lives to this day, I believe. That's where he's at. Yes.

I think it's Blue Ridge, Blue something. It's got a name. Right. So. Blue Orchid estate. or something. Does, when he's on tour, this is what I find, I guess if I want to say the hardest to believe or the hardest to like imagine, I get when he's in town, right? Right. And he's got this piece of property where he can, he can overtake unsuspecting people, whether it's young women,

homeless people, people that are drunk. When he goes on tour, though, this is what is the most sinister to me is how he's able to sneak away. And this is after the second. album when he's a star when he's got his own. Everybody knows him. Multiple tour buses. Everybody knows him. That's when I heard about him. That's when WQ. Y.K. in Tampa, Florida, and I was going to high school, they started WQYK country music by playing

Garth Brooks nonstop for like four or five days, 24 hours a day. Jesus God. Fucking kill me, Garth. They just, I'd rather be killed by Garth Brooks than forced to listen to his music. Like on a loop. Yeah. On a loop. But that's how big he was.

You start, that's how you start your radio. This was back when radio was social media. Yeah. You know, this is when, it was like the big thing. And that's how powerful he was. He was that popular. Nobody didn't recognize it. No, I never, I never listened to any country in my life.

And you stand up. And I know who Garth Brooks is. Right. So how was he able on these stops to get away? To get to, to get away from all of the roadies, the, the tour, managers, his band. How was he able to extricate himself for a couple of hours, go kill somebody, and then make it back for the show?

Because he was never missed a show and he was never late. Right. So I actually, so this is what's funny. I actually spoke with a roadie. A roadie is one of the guys that basically breaks down and sets up the lighting, the stage. These are huge venues, right? So they bring their own stuff. They bring, they have multiple semis with, or 18 wheelers with all of the, all the sets and the lighting and the sound and all the equipment is they break it down.

They put it on the on the semis. They move it to the next location. They pull it off. They've set the whole thing up two or three or three days, ready to go for three or four, three or four concerts. And they break it down and do it again. Those guys are called roadies. So the hardest person for me to find to interview, it wasn't a couple of psychiatrists, which I, I interviewed. viewed by the way, two psychiatrists.

It wasn't a retired FBI agent that was willing to talk to me about serial killers. It was finding a roadie that had been on Garth Brooks's tours. And he'd only been on out of like the 10 or 12 of then, I think he'd been like four. So it and because one of the things that Garth does is he has everyone sign an NDA. So you don't get to talk about anything. And this guy's retired. dislikes Garth, and I was able through multiple phone calls to get to him, and he allowed me to interview him, provided I used, didn't use his real name. We used the name, Richard. So I asked

Richard the exact same thing you just asked me. And Richard, by the way, I also like to say this, is that Richard did not have a relationship with Garth. He said he's only spoken with him a few times. He said, been around him many, many times. He's been only directly spoke with him and had a conversation very few times. He said, Garth is not one of those guys that hangs out with the help. The help.

Yeah. And he said, because that's what, to him, that's what they are. Yeah. He said, he might spend a little bit of time

with the musicians. And one of the big things that Garth likes to do and likes to show everybody that he does is he goes in with all the musicians before they go on stage and he has a big kind of a prayer session

and a rah, raw, raw, like a pep talk. And like, pep talk. And like, we're all good. We're all. together and we say, we say, and Richard said, and I was like, he doesn't, well, I thought he

was kind of like, he was, no, no, no, because that's for the cameras. And that's for him and the musicians. He's, that's not for the roadies. He said, he doesn't mix with us. And he said, we're basically labor, we're just labor. And he, Richard told me on many occasions, Garth would simply borrow someone's car and leave. He would just, he would, he would, he would leave on his own. He be gone for the entire day. He said he never missed the date piece. He recalls on a few different occasions where people were scrambling. This is before cell phones. They're scrambling looking for Garth. And he said, Garth would show up just before the, just before the concert, walk on stage, start playing. He was great, never late. He said, but he said, nobody's going to question this

guy. And the bigger he got, the more people, would not question him. Of course. So he's like, hey, I need to borrow your car for the day. Of course, of course, Mr. Garth. Right. That's when we talk about, when I asked him, we actually, at one point, I'm just going to bring this up, it happens a little bit later, but I'll bring it up now, is that at one point during one of his tours, not his first tour, I think it's a third, might be one of the world tours, Garth actually stopped. Garth, actually stops. This is just to give you an example of how this would, how this would work. The semis, his, his kind of his tour, the tour buses, they, they stop at a rest stop. And there is,

there's a girl that is going to college. She's on her way back to college. She stops at a rest stop. Now, Richard said he doesn't know if they were at the, the rest stop. But she drives and she pulls over and stops at the rest stop. She gets something to eat at the convenience store. She goes back to her car. Witnesses tell the police that they specifically saw her speaking with a guy that was connected somehow. Either they said either the driver or somehow connected with a group of semis. She, they saw her. They saw her. talking with this person, and then she disappeared. Her vehicle remained there. The description that was given of the man that she was speaking to was six foot tall in his early 30s with dark brown hair.

That fits Garth to a T from 40 feet away, 50 feet away in the middle of a parking lot. So what happens is her mother, the following day, she never gets a phone call from her daughter. She never showed up at the university. She calls the, I don't know if it was, I'm not sure which highway patrol. She calls them, they go there, they immediately find her vehicle. They find her vehicle. That's when they question the witnesses. They look for her.

They can't find her about a week later. Her body is found on a separate interstate. in another state that is on the route of Garth's tour at a third location. So he had to travel this road where he may have stopped at the rest stop, may have picked her up, plays a concert tour, goes to another concert tour, and then goes to the third concert, and during the course of going there on the interstate, the body is found. Just discarded right off the side of the road. So how could that have been possible?

So even if he, of course he has his own tour bus. He keeps to himself. He's this very like disconnected superstar, you know, who nobody can talk to unless, you know, at the appropriate hours, right? How could he have done that? Or is he putting her in a suitcase? That's the, it's the whole, it's the whole Dahmer thing where he, he's a six foot tall guy. she's a 110 pound, you know, co-ed. He just walks up, you know, at the given time,

she turns her head to walk back to her car. He sparks up a conversation. She turns her head. She clocks her head. He tracks her into the bus or semi or whatever. He puts her in a roadcaster trunk and throws her underneath the bus. He could have killed her right there. Or he's south.

She knows who he is. Oh, my God, it's Garst Brooks at a rest stop. Hey, hey, young lady. You want to come to my bus really quick? Get a picture. I'll give you some memorabilia, whatever it is. I have no doubt. There's just no way nobody knows who Garth Brooks is, especially at this time.

He was everywhere during this time. And in that demographic. She's probably a fan. Odds are she's a fan. So you bring her onto the tour bus and his own bus, he kills her, puts her in a suitcase, puts that suitcase under the bus in those big carrying areas. Right. And then when he finds the opportunity on this route, he dumps her. I mean, I'm not exactly sure what's happening.

Does he pull her into the bus? At this point, he's got his own bus. Yeah. He has his own bus to himself. So it's just him, his bus, he has plenty. Did he throw her in a trunk right then? Or did he drag her up in the bus? Or did he invite her to come up in the bus?

She walks in the bus. He chokes her out right there. That's what I'm saying. That makes more sense. Because if it's broad daylight, the odds of being seen dragging a body onto a bus are high. Very willingly, I have no doubt that many of these victims could have willingly gone with Garth because of his fame,

gotten right in their vehicle. We even, we even have a couple of them where he, someone pulled up to the victim, had a conversation in a black vehicle. The victim gets to the vehicle, drives off, they've never been seen again.

That's it. It's over. So that, that's happened multiple times. Now, if you're a country music fan or really anybody, and he pulls up, who knows what he says, you're going to get right in the car. I'd get in the car. I would have got in the car with him. You know, if Tom Cruise pulled up and said, hey, man, what's going on? How are you? Hey, I'm talking. I'm in the area. Where's my, where's this hotel? Can you show me? I'll give you a hundred bucks. Sure. I'm going to hop in with Tom. Yeah, Tom, listen, I'll get in. I'm going to suck your dick, but you will not kill me. Okay. That is, are you going to kill me? Okay. You got to tell me now. So, but look, can I mention the Dahmer thing? The moving of these bodies is something that Dahmer used to do.

There's even even a specific event where he had rented a hotel room, picked up a young gay boy, brought him up to his room, kills him that night, and realizes he's stuck in a hotel room with a body that's registered in his name. he then goes and buys a suitcase or a trunk. There's varying, varying descriptions of what it was. But let's say a large suitcase, which it was either a large suitcase or a trunk, brings it up there, loads up this kid into the suitcase, brings it down, calls a taxi. The taxi driver helps load it up in the back of his trunk and drives it to his grandmother's house where he dismembers the body and throws it out in the woods behind his grandmother's house. So obviously, Garth Brooks didn't have time to do that.

That's why they found a lot of the bodies that were connected to his tour bus and his, when he was really on the road like that. So after a couple of days, you know you've got this girl in a trunk. The body's going to start to smell. That's why he's got to get rid of it. You go about two days unless you throw some bags of ice in there. According to the FBI agent, he said within 24 hours to 48 hours, the body starts to decompose. He was in it starts to smell.

He said, but if you throw a couple of bags of ice in there, you can get a few more days out of it. Yeah. So was there a connection you saw? Because later on, he later further into the 90s, he gets the residency in Vegas and he gets his own plane. Yes. This is how he's able, the hypothesis is he's able to disappear and kill people in Vegas, load them up on his plane. take them to his property, which has now been built out, the 300 acres outside of Nashville, and bury them under the house or on the property. But before he had that ability, when he was

still taking buses everywhere, did you see some correlation where less people getting disappeared during that time? Like, can you prove that? Can you prove that? Like, how was he supposed to disappear people when he's on a bus for, you know, six months out of the year? Well, it's not, it's not unheard of to have things shipped back, shipped somewhere, jump on your plane, throw it in your plane, fly back. But before he had the plane, I'm saying. Oh, prior, before the plane, he could, I mean, there's, I have no doubt that he's able to coordinate getting these, either one, he's dumping the bodies, right?

But how, how do you get to a place where the body's not going to be found when you're on a tour? Well, some of them, I mean, you know, keep in mind these, a lot of, some of these are unsolved homicides. so they did find the body. Right. I'm just, I'm trying to, I'm trying to show that there's a link between an increase in disappearances when he has the ability to fly bodies. Right.

As opposed to when he's on a tour bus and you don't have that much time and you don't have the ability to go long distances into the woods or to bury a body. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Is there that kind of correlation? I didn't really find anything other than the fact that when, once he got the plane, things seem to spike as far as disappearances. Okay.

So that's kind of what I'm asking. Right. So there's prior to the plane, bodies are being more, there are more unsolved homicides connected to him. Right. After the plane, people are just disappearing. Right. And there's one case when, so I don't know if you know this, but there was actually a time when, so when Garth went to the University of Oklahoma or Oklahoma State University.

University, sorry, Oklahoma State University. He was actually through javelin. He's very athletic, very athletic. But he's not a pro. But once he became a big shot and he's got hundreds of millions of dollars, he can now go to, I want to say the, who's in San Diego, Padres? Yeah, yeah, he tried to play professional baseball. Yeah, multiple times, not once.

And here's what's funny. is like the other baseball players on the team, like they didn't think it was cool. No, you know. They, they, I've got quotes of multiple, I put a couple of them in the books where there are quotes and a, of players saying, you know, like, he's taking someone's spot.

Yeah, no, this isn't funny. Right, who has a chance. Right. And the way he would, way Garth would do it is he goes and he says, look, you know, let me try out and I'll donate this much money to this charity for you guys. or will you, I'll donate this much to, or to your charity or whatever it is. He's basically bribing them to let him try out because in his mind, he's thinking he's going

to become a real player. And he talks about how he knows that people are out there mocking him, but I'm here to play and I'm this and I'm that. But he's not good. So, I mean, I'm sure he would beat me, but, you know, he's. No, but whatever. He's like too old by that time anyways. It doesn't matter.

Like he's not going to make it. Right. But this isn't once. This is three different attempts. That's right. And then so he gets a spot, I think, at least to make it to spring training for the Padres in Phoenix. Yeah. And so. And there's more bodies. I'm glad you mentioned that. Well, here's the reason. There are more bodies there. But I mean, we're not going to get into all the different bodies. But in these particularly, because I could go every time when he went to the Grammys, when he went to the Billboard Awards, I could, you know, there's two bodies. One body. When he went to the residency tour, there's 12 bodies. You know, we could do that over and over again. But this one is, is interesting. There was actually, there's actually an older, he was actually an older gentleman. I want to say. he was in his 60s.

He's going to leave the area. He's leaving the area. He's traveling to see a friend. And he goes to a gas station, which they know he went to, I believe, because of a, there was, I think there was a receipt. He fills up gas and that gas station is fairly close to the spring training stadium. At that point, he disappeared. He never makes it to his friends.

So one of his other buddies ends up calling the police and saying, hey, he's missing. He never showed up here. He was going to call me when he got there. Didn't call. Okay. They look into it. They can't find him. He's gone.

He's gone. And they just say, ah, he disappeared. He fueled up here and we can't find him. We can't find his vehicle. We can't find anything. Now, this is very, this is with him blocks of the stadium of where Garth is. Now, here's what makes it interesting. Once again, okay.

coincidence. Yeah, it's Phoenix. There's a lot of crime there. Sure, could have me. It was carjacking maybe. Right. Here's the thing that Garth flew his private jet into the international airport and two months later, this guy's two months or two, I don't know, roughly a few weeks later, a few weeks later, his body is vehicle. The victim's car is found in the parking garage. Correct. The victim's vehicle is found in the parking garage, his body is in the trunk. It's, it's within a stone's throw of Garth Brooks's private plane, which is parked there. Yeah. So I just find that, I just find that. Right. Unlike. There are no coincidences. It, not, there's not this many. If you start adding it up, it's outrageous. That's crazy. Now, clearly, I mean, that is a crime of opportunity.

it's, we're not yet. This is when he's still on the road. Right. And that's why they're finding the bodies. He doesn't, a lot of times have time to ship them back and bury them properly on his property. Who knows why that body didn't end up in the plane. We don't know that, you know. But he's got to be getting his fucking DNA.

He's got to be shedding. These are, if he's taking a man, even if the man is 60 years old, he's getting hair follicles on him, he's getting skin cells on him. When his Garth Brooks's DNA ever, ever been taken. That's what I mean. Like are they, you know, are, first of all, there's so many people that are just never found. There's never found. There's no DNA.

Right. If there is DNA or Garth feels there's DNA or, you know, I'm certain he would not leave it behind. So I give you an example. One time there's kind of like, it's like a carjacking, right? Like there's this couple. And I have the, I have it in, it's in the book. They're at, I don't know if they're at, they're at a, I think they're at a restaurant. They may be at a restaurant and someone comes to them and,

basically carjacks them, right? He's got a weapon. He gets in the back of the vehicle, forces this young couple to drive. They start driving. The female is driving the car. The male is in the front. They're driving being brought somewhere. At some point, there's a dispute, and the carjacker fires the male, shoots him in the head, he's dead. At this point, the female panics. She hits, hits the brakes, pulls the vehicle over, jumps out and runs. Carjacker jumps out, chases after her, fires at her. I believe he hits her twice in the neck.

She hits the ground. She's dead. Now, he chases her a while. He's a distance. There's guns are being fired. Cars are driving by. He runs all the way back to the vehicle and sets it on fire. And then runs off into the woods. Right. Right. And this is, I believe, Oklahoma.

I think this is close to his Oklahoma property. Right. This was close to his house to his residence. Yeah. This is one after he had moved back to O'O. Oklahoma after he divorces his first wife. Right. Which, you know, listen, that was one of the largest payouts in history. One day, they just decide we're getting a divorce.

Now, he had been, he had been caught cheating prior to that. And they had, but they had multiple times where they come out in the press and said they're giving their marriage another try, they're going to counseling, they're doing this, they're doing that. But one day, they just, they just call it. it quits completely, and she gets, at the time, a massive $125 million payout. Yeah, she got half. Yeah.

That's what happens. The first wife, when before their stars, that's like buying a penny stock. It's like buying Bitcoin at 50 cents, you know, and then you cash out at $100,000, like, you just good for you. But, bitch, you saw a stock. You saw a winner. I don't, I don't, that's, to me, that's not, that doesn't implicate the wives in any of this. It makes me think it was a very quick divorce. Here's half. No fighting. Very amicable. To me, it's like, what does she have on him? What does she know? What kind of things does she know?

So back to the car getting lit on fire. So clearly what that tells us is that this person knew that his DNA was all over the car. Yeah. And he wanted to burn that away. Right. He wanted to burn that up. Right. So this points to perhaps, Garth having a real sense of cleaning up the crime scene, even if you had to carry a body, lift a body, drag a body, try to clean up your DNA as much as you could. Yes. He doesn't want to get caught. Yeah.

No, serial killers don't want to get caught. No, no. You know, that's part of the thrill. If they're unorganized, they tend to get caught because they're not organized. But over the course of this, I believe it was Jim DeOrio or I believe it was Jim the FBI agent, sorry. He talks about how it appears that Garth or whoever's tied to all these, whatever, you know, assume that he becomes an organized killer.

It starts off kind of disorganized and it becomes more and more organized because he towards about halfway through the whole thing, you know, once he's got the properties, once he's got the planes, once these kind of, you know, I hate to say carjackings, but once he starts abducting people, he starts abducting them in his own, in their vehicles. Yeah. And then he'll move the vehicles. And the vehicles, they may be taken five miles from his residence and moved half a mile close to his residence. And then the body stuck in the trunk or, you know, murdered stuck in the back in the trunk or murder stuck in the back of the vehicle or just you find the

vehicle, you don't find the body at all. Maybe at that point he figures, maybe he dropped it off the house, parks the vehicle, and then is able to make it back to the house or able to move it in such a way that he's able to get back to his vehicle. But somehow or another, these vehicles aren't being moved 50 miles away or 40 miles away. They're being moved just so that you don't quite know where is the actual crime. Where did it actually occur? You know, or maybe it's also being move to, I need to move it to a place where there's not so many eyeballs in the woods. A lot of these places, they're off of the interstate. They're in the woods. So when he's got his residency in Vegas, a lot of disappearances start happening, as we mentioned, because the theory is he's putting them

in suitcases, putting him on his private jet, and then, because he would go, he wouldn't live in Vegas. He would do his shows, and then he would jump on his plane and go back to either Oklahoma or Nashville, whichever property he was living at all the time. He had multiple. Well, yeah, he, at one point he moves to Oklahoma. How would he get the bodies, say he was carjacking people. You know, Vegas is busy. There's a lot of surveillance. Even back in the 90s, there was a lot of surveillance in Vegas, especially in casinos.

How is he getting the bodies from the streets, whether it's homeless people or people that he's, you know, taking from their vehicles? How is he getting them from there into suitcases onto the plane? Well, I mean, I think that, you know, like we said earlier, it's not difficult to move a small person in a in a suitcase. And he's, if he's going to a plane, I mean, every time you go to the airport, everybody's dragging around a suitcase with a on wheels. Yeah, but does he drive their car to the private airport? He probably has his own vehicle.

So he drives, but how does he get to his vehicle from the scene of the crime and the car that he has? He's grabbing. So he pulls his vehicle up. He then abducts them, either leaves their vehicle or takes their vehicle. He just moves it, not far away. It might be a mile, half a mile, whatever. He can jog back.

Gets his car. Gets his vehicle, goes there, transports them into his vehicle or into a suitcase and into his vehicle, drives to the airport, you know, private facility. He pulls vehicle right up to the plane, pull out a large suitcase and load it up into the back of the vehicle and leave it there for two days until he decides to fly back to, oh, I'm going to fly back for the weekend and see my new wife, Trisha. Trisha Yearwood. The new wife's Trisha Yearwood.

So he flies back there and, you know, who knows? He may have a whole, listen, they built this. Eventually he builds this massive piece of property. I mean, sorry, massive home on the 300 acres that he's got. Outside of Nashville. Right. Which, and I don't know, did you ever see, I read the books because I was incarcerated at the time, but I also saw the movie.

I feel like you saw the movie. We have seen the movie. With the werewolves? No, girl with the dragon tattoo. Twilight? No. Girl with the dragon tattoo. I actually didn't see it, but I know about it.

Did you see the movie? No, I heard it's great. It was really good. Okay, I'll watch it. It should be 10 hours long, but, you know, they did what they could for two hours. So, but one of the great parts is when you realize who the killer is, the guy, he's basically the bottom part of his house, which is built on a hill, which you don't even know exists, is this, this dungeon. It's all stained. steel and nice, like you walk into an area and a door closes and you're in this little area and

he turns a knob and boom, you're knocked out. You wake up, you're in a gag suit and you're tied up and they're hanging and they've got a neck brace on and they're, you know, or he puts you in a dog kennel. He's got you. There was a book and there was also a movie. I read the book, but in this, it's, it's, I want to say it's a kiss the girl or something. It was a, I remember that movie? Yeah, yeah, they made into a two movie where he has all these women in dog cages. Right. And in like a dungeon, he's got all these, and he's got like eight or nine, um, filthy rich women that he's kidnapped and he's feeding him with like, like automated dog feeders. And that's how they're staying alive there and he's got them all trapped down there. I mean, just, just, you know, I mean, I,

who knows what this guy's got underneath, underneath his house? Right. So he's so wealthy. He can have anything. Yeah, totally, totally. I mean, I still buy the theory more that they're already dead by the time he gets them there. Now, and you point out in the book very, very well that serial killers have a habit of staying with their bodies. It's part of the sickness. It's like they like being with the bodies as long as possible. It's control. Right.

So I kind of like that theory more, but certainly he could have lured people to the property. I just think what that does, though, is it opens. One of the reasons he's been able to get away with this for so long, allegedly, is because nobody else knows. There's no other co-conspirators. If he was luring people to the property and killing them there, it would get out.

I'm going to fuck Garth Brooks at his house. Of course. You know what I mean? And then your body never comes back. That's too risky to me. I think the bodies are dead by the time he gets him to his property. Ryan Reynolds here for Mint Mobile,

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Chloriform. Chloriform can knock you out for hours. Hours, days. You never know. You never, you know, you put a gag ball and you knock them out. They wake up, they got a gag ball, they're tied up. I mean, who knows what's going on? Throw them in the trunk of the, they're throwing them in the storage unit, the plane.

By the time they land, you drag, even if they're kicking and screaming, you get to wake them up and, you know, what are they going to do? They're done. They're all gagged and tied. Definitely that is a big possibility for people that he's kidnapping locally. Now, when he starts to, what's so fascinating about your book is when, when Garth kind of settles down. He gets a little older. He stops being on the road so much. Like in the late 90s, early 2000s, he kind of announces that he's retiring. Now he starts to like really like stay at his

properties and be a family man. That's when you see the local disappearances. That's when you could really look at the heat map of all of these dead and disappeared people around his two properties really, really go up because now he's got a system. He knows his environment. He knows the escape routes. He knows where the cameras are and aren't. Are you, you're talking, are you talking about when he goes, when he moves after he divorces his say and he's first wife, and he moves to, uh, back to Oklahoma. Yes. And the kids are, the kids are out of the house. They've graduated from college. Right. Well, when the kids are gone to college. Wait. So it spikes when he moves to Oklahoma. That's what I mean. Okay. But when that, but then the kids graduate high school. He has an

agreement with Trish that they are going to stay there in Oklahoma to raise the girls until they graduate high school and then they'll move back to Nashville and guess what they do. They build the house on the 300 acres and they move back to Nashville and guess what spikes again, missing persons. Right, right. Did they go down during when he was raising his kids? You know, I don't. I know it's spiked when he moved there. I do not recall. I don't recall. I don't recall us going back and checking to see if it dropped, but we know that it spiked. Whenever he moved somewhere within six months, it would spike again. And we would have, you know, we've got the. Yeah, when he's off the road, when he's at, my point is when he's at his two

properties and he's just kind of staying put, that's when you see a more organized, more organized killing is because when you're familiar with your surroundings, you know how you're comfortable. Exactly. You know how you can get away with it better. Jim, that we're tired FBI agent, DeOreo, actually there's a name for it too. It's geographic something. I forget. He gave me the name. It's in the book where it specifically talks about how they feel they'll, they almost have like a hunting ground. It's like they're right around there where they, where they are living. And it's, it's, you know, it's a hunting ground in that general area. They feel extremely comfortable because they're 10 minutes away, 15 minutes. They know the area. They feel comfortable in the area.

It's easy to say on why you're there. Right. You feel comfortable. You see everything every day. Obviously, you're comfortable with what you know. And so he goes back. Yes. Now he moves back to Nashville outside of Nashville to the big property.

After his kids are out of the house, he gets remarried. Right. To Tricia, Yearwood. And that's when really the disappearances are now, even you pointed this out to these FBI agents who, after you showed him all of this evidence, they go. Oh, yeah, this is definitely a pattern that's consistent with serial killing. Yeah. It becomes more and more specific where he's targeting people in vehicles.

Yeah. And obviously he's got control over them. He's a big guy. If they're women, he doesn't need a handgun. But he can't, but he many of the people, things go wrong and people get shot. Yeah. So he's not going to approach another six foot tall man and try and man handle him. right. He's got a handgun. He's getting this guy to do what he wants. They're moving the vehicles.

Some of these guys end up in their vehicles deceased. Some, the vehicles found somewhere else. They never find the guy. I was going to say there's the, and here's what that sort of thing doesn't happen so much when he's in Vegas, as much as it's happening more and more when he moves back. What was happening in Vegas? I mean, he was moving. Some of the people are being moved, lot of them, there's more homicides. Shooting deaths. Shooting deaths, right. Unless when he's not close to home, the more unsolved murders are happening.

I see. The more missing people are happening around his properties than when he's. That makes sense. Okay. So the other thing that happens, which is interesting. And this, listen, we could go on and on. He's also getting all these awards. Like we're talking about he's traveling here.

Two people are deceased. He's, you know, to get, he goes to be on Howard Stern. Some guy in a parking lot two blocks away from Howard Stern is, ends up, ends up deceased. At the same time? Like the same date. Oh, oh, wow. He's there. That day, like that same day he's there, somebody ends up getting shot and they find his

body or something along those lines. I forget if it was a shot or something. Yeah, that's, that's Los Angeles, New York. That's back in the early 2000s where there's still a lot of homicides. in those places. So I don't know. I think it's interesting. I think there's not enough.

There's not enough to even make that circumstantial in my opinion. But maybe, though, I don't know. Well, here's the thing is that what people don't realize is that, you know, people watch CSI, right? They think every homicide out there is scientifically proven. But 95% of homicide cases or court cases that, you know, you end up going to court, it's circumstantial. It's, he was here. This was a, you know, this person walked here. Oh, do you have fingerprints?

No, we don't have finger. Do you have gun, uh, gunshot residue? No, I don't have gunshot residue. But this guy was here, you know, this guy walked into the room with this girl. And 30 minutes later, he walked out. And then this guy walked in the room and she was laying there dead. You know, it's circumstance. Did you find blood on him?

No, we didn't find blood on him because we, we found him three days later. and we grabbed him with the clothes he had on and we searched his apartment and whatever clothes he was wearing are gone. But you tell me, is it circumstantial? I walked into a room with a girl that was alive, walked out, now she's dead. Another guy walked in and said, oh my gosh, she's laying there dead. Like, is it circumstantial? That's no scientific evidence.

That's how most, most of these crimes are committed. Now, granted, it's prosecuted. Prosecuted, sorry. more and more science is being utilized now because now it's phone data. Yeah. It's your, you said you were at your job, but your phone says you were here. You said you were here, but your phone said here. I can see the text.

Oh, we had a great relationship. What are you talking about? The text messages show that you were in an argument 20 minutes beforehand. You're threatening to kill her. You see I'm saying? So that's more happening now, but back then that wasn't happening. Keep on. Text wasn't invented until a.

around 2005, 2005, 2006? A little earlier than that, but texting en masse, where texting overtook phone calls. Yeah, that was like the mid-2000s. Right. That was like the mid-aughts. How did the killing change? Speaking of technology, right?

Now we're moving into, you'd think, oh, after smartphones were invented, there's no getting away with murder. That thing can track where you were to a T, right? But the killings continued. Yeah. Oh, well, listen, Garth has an issue right. now he's being sued by a woman who is alleging that he he raped her right the hairdresser yeah the hairdresser

multiple times she says she's got text messages she's saying that um and and i even saw something i didn't look it up i couldn't i couldn't find anything but i saw something and i hate to even say that i saw this like on ticot and stuff but but it's basically where people were saying that he and trish were separated as a result like this these allegations came out and within a month or so they're separated. I don't know if that's true or not. And that didn't make the book because I couldn't confirm or done I, but there were people that there was got the gossip out there, whatever. So yeah, there was a hairdresser that was used to be Trisha Yearwood's head hairdresser started being Garth Brooks hairdresser. And at some point, and I want to say is it,

2019, 18, 19, she says that Garth started getting fixated on her, sent her a bunch of text messages asked her if she would would basically be in a monajotua with he and Trish. She said she wasn't interested. She continued to be his hairdresser. And at some point, she says that he, in a hotel room, they got the same hotel room. They both showed up. She wanted her own hotel room. Something happened in the hotel room. He ends up raping her. That's what she says. He of course says this is untrue. And it's now being fought in civil court. He's. you know, so it, but she says there's tons of text messages between the two of them. Yeah, his image is certainly taken a huge hit since that happened.

And then the YMH kind of started this murder conspiracy. But how did, how did the pattern of the killings and the disappearances change, especially geographically, you know, in the modern era with cameras everywhere and with, smartphones. How did the bodies around Garth? How did that evolve? Well, I don't, I mean, I don't know that they have, that they've changed other than he's now staying more local to Nashville and that the the bulk of the unsolved homicides and missing persons that we found have been in Nashville, Nashville and Goodlettsville, around Nashville, Goodlettsville.

Keep on he doesn't have any contact with these people and they're not looking into him. So the authorities aren't going to look into him. First of all, local authorities are not, you know, even homicide detectives are not, they're really not trained to look into

serial killings, right? Like they're looking for, you know, it was alcohol related, it was over money, or there was, it was an angry boyfriend, a husband, a dispute, a gang matter. They're not thinking Garth Brooks, one of our most famous residences, right, so residents, one of our most famous residents is a serial killer. We should look into Garth. And he has no contact with these people. He has no, he has no communication. It's not like they were texting them 20 minutes beforehand. He doesn't

know these people. Right. So those types of techniques don't work for something like this. 99% of murders happen when the victim knows the assailant, right? Or 95% or something. That's why serial killers, obviously, they get away with it forever. Long distance truckers will kill eight guys, 12 guys, 15. And then they leave the bodies scattered all over the place. And then they get picked up for, you know, getting into a bar fight and they get their DNA taken. And they go, oh, my God, we got your DNA on eight different bodies.

But they were, they would have gotten away with it forever, pretty much. they're killing people in traffic stops and leaving them on the side of the highway two states away. It never links up. Why? Well, what about the cell towers? What do you talk about that? There's no cell towers. These two people don't know each other. Right. There's no back and forth communications. Yeah, Jimmy, I'm going to meet you tomorrow at two. And then he'd never seen again. That's that what's happening. And these, the local cops aren't going to even approach Garth about something like this. Even if, even if something like this brought attention to him and they took it seriously and looked at it and said, you know, statistically, it's just, it's almost impossible for this,

for there not to be something here. They're not going to look into it. They're not going to contact him. He's not going to talk to him. Well, is that, could you take this book and give it to the FBI? Could the FBI take the case on? I, could they? I mean, I guess they could. I think they're, they're trying to lock up political enemies of Trump right now. Yeah, they're locking up political enemies and basketball players for gambling. Yeah, big, they're bigger, uh, bigger, uh, bigger. Um, I think what's, what's interesting is that recently, the most recent ones, because there's a whole slew of them, right?

Like, Garth's going to different. He's not, he's not touring right now, right? He'll do a, he'll do a, he'll do every other weekend in Vegas. He flies in for a couple days and flies back out. But mostly he's, he's, he's. located and residing in Nashville. What I think's interesting is that in, I want to say,

I want to say it was mid to late, uh, 2024. There was a kid that showed up missing. Uh, I forget his last name. Fuck straight. No. Doesn't matter.

Doesn't matter. Nobody cares. Okay. Um, anyway, uh, it's a famous, it's a, uh, it's a famous case, right? because because and this kid, so what happens with this kid is he goes into Garth's bar.

He goes into Garth's bar and he has a few drinks. He leaves Garth's bar and he goes into shoot. I forget the other Luke Bryant's bar. He goes into, I think, I believe it's Luke Bryant's bar. And this is in downtown Nashville. He's a college student with a bunch of friends who have gone to Nashville. And he goes into Luke Brian's bar. By time he gets to Luke Brian's bar, he's starting to feel weird.

Something happened. He has a couple of glasses of wall. He has a beer. Anybody, he's acting erratic. He's acting really drunk. They ask him to leave. So he leaves. He's never seen again.

He just leaves. He's never seen again. And his body, well, alive, I should say. His body is found in the Cumberland River, half a mile to a mile away from Garth Bar. And Luke Bryans, they're all right there on the strip. So his pants have been stripped off. His boots are stripped off.

He's halfway naked. his and his credit cards are found strewn up and down the river. Clearly he's been undressed. Right. Now, the, this is, and listen, there's a lot of people out. Yeah. There's cameras. They have cameras of him stumbling around.

He actually texts his mom and says that he had a drink that tasted funny. He feels weird. He's going back to the hotel. He tells his buddies he's going back to the hotel. But there's a camera that shows him walk right by the street. street where he should have turned for the hotel. He ends up going to the Cumberland Bridge. They believe he, he, now the police say they believe he fell off the Cumberland Bridge and drowned. Now, nobody else believes that because his pants were stripped off and his boots were stripped

off. And it's just the current's not that strong. And it's very, it's actually very weak current because he has only carried quarter of a mile down before he washes up on the shore. Right. And so they find him... Could he have stripped himself? I mean, I guess that's possible. What I find, what I think is interesting, well, one, the police say, look, they have no evidence. We have no evidence.

You know, he drowned. That's what they say. Although I believe the autopsy said that there was no, that there was no water in his lungs or something, I forget. So regardless, what I find interesting is that he went into Garth Bar. So a lot of the amateur sluice on the internet and his family are all saying that they believe he was, he would, he drank something in the bar. Maybe, you know, was it, GHB? GHB is a thing.

It's something you would get drugged with. Well, isn't that the date rate drug? No, GHB is like a workout drug. You're talking about like roofies or Mickey's or something like that. Roofies? No, GHB is a thing that bodybuilders take. Oh, okay. I don't know. Anyway, so Rufi, so he, you know, it's like did he get drugged? Yeah, did he get drugged? And then he, you know, someone picked him up and grabbed him.

And then later they threw him off the bridge once, you know, they choked him out or done whatever they did. I don't know. But the fact that he went into Garth's bar seems interesting to, is interesting to me. And then he ends up missing. Once again, was Garth there? Garth is known to go to the bar, right? Like, these guys have to kind of go and hang out at the bars. because you go to Luke Bryant's bar because you want to see him. You want to see him, right. So that's one thing.

That was in 2024. Six months later, 2025, you've got a guy that was homeless that was known to live in the general vicinity on the street of Garth Bar. Garst Bar, by the way, it's friends in low places. So once again, he lives in the general vicinity.

One night, he disappears. he ends up washing up. They believe he also went over the Cumberland Bridge, and he washes up on shore roughly half a mile. If you throw a body, if you're going to throw a body in the Cumberland Bridge, it washes up pretty quickly. So he gets found same thing.

General area, half a mile, known to be right around that area. You know, is it coincidence? Maybe it's coincidence. I think you throw it all together. We're talking about two people, unsolved homicides. within who knows. At a Garth's bar, the bar that he owns. You know, maybe...

It's odd. It's odd. I'm just saying it's odd. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, look, there's certainly the possibility that he could be watching the cameras and have, I don't know, a system away, a bottle that's filled with ruffinol that's given out, and he just, whoever drinks it becomes the victim. I don't know.

I don't know. It's a stretch. but certainly the serial killer will have to get more creative knowing that it's easier to get caught by technology. So, you know, I need to up my game. Right. Yeah. But it's fascinating how many people just over and over every year, just bodies that are piling up, disappearances. It's crazy.

It's crazy, dude. He's a monster. I think he's a monster. He's a monster. Clearly his, his, we know that he's got that Ellen factor, right? Where he's a complete, uh, megalomaniac at work. Yes. He fires people at a whim.

You can't talk to him. Nobody, don't approach him. You know, like he's, he's got no personality. He's got no ability to just have a normal conversation. It will never go on a podcast. Any sound bites or TV that he's done. It's all like semi-scriscreet. Right.

You know, people are like, who the fuck is this guy? The Chris Gaines thing is alter ego. Oh, we would talk about the Chris Gaines thing. Bro, that's Chris Gaines thing. Listen, even Joe Rogan talked about the Chris Gaines thing and talked about, said, said it may very well be the most bizarre, you know, bizarre thing that's ever happened in country history. Yeah, country music. For sure.

So Garth, for viewers that don't know, this is so how just insane. We're talking about he is the largest country music star out there ever ever. He is selling hundreds of millions of of albums. Yeah. And one day he decides, this is very much dissociative disorder, right? Right. Right. What they call split personality disorder. Right. So one day he decides that he wants to start making our music and albums as a what is it like a pop uh is it he's like a sex addicted he's got a sex addiction yeah he's a he's a he wants to but first what he wants to do is rock music right he wants to play some kind of rock music like dark yeah kind of nirvana yeah and he gave himself a backstory like a really disturbed backstory he's yeah Australian he's Australian he gave

himself a sex addiction, which is crazy. It's weird. It's a weird addiction to give yourself. His parents were, his parents were like Olympic. I mean, he's, his parents are Australian Olympic athletes. He's raised in Australia. He comes to the United States as a rock star. He's a sex addict. And he's, he becomes this massively huge rocker. He has a car accident and he's, scarred. Now keep in mind, this is all Garth Brooks. What he does is he dyes his hair black. He gets a different haircut. He loses a bunch of weight, supposedly. I think a lot of that was done with. He gets a soul patch, right? He gets a black soul patch. He has an Australian accent. He's making music videos. He's putting out music videos. As Chris Gaines. As Chris Gaines. He's doing entire,

he does entire interviews with reporters as Chris Gaines. He's doing. He does entire interviews as Chris Gaines. Now, they can imagine you walk in and you know it's Garth Brooks. Yeah. And he pretends to be, he deadpans it the whole way like it's really true. Right. And he tries trying to convince this person. He does the whole interview and they're just like, this is bizarre. Right.

Remember Joaquin Phoenix when he pretended he made a whole documentary around him. He was going to quit acting and he was going to become a rapper. I'm still here, it's called. And it's one of the most brilliant pieces of copy. He's literally he's deadpan he's going on national television. He's telling his agents in Hollywood. He's like no like I want to be a rapper But we know he's kidding at the end he just sees like I've been fucked Garth is never kidding he's never kidding he never kids and here's the thing there was like I forget which award show it was But it was a major award show is when it all comes out for the first time

He does all he comes out as Chris Gaines and you clearly know it's Garth Brooks. Yeah and he does a whole song set. And I mean, the audience is like, what's happening? Yeah. What is happening? Right. And these are all country music, you know, artists. And so. And he's made up. It's not like the Joaquin Phoenix is not the perfect analogy because he's still Joaquin Phoenix. He's just, I'm going to be a rapper now. Take it seriously as a rapper. This is a completely fabricated person. It's an alter ego. Yeah, no, yeah, this isn't, this isn't Taylor Swift deciding that she wants to sing or switch from country to pop rock or whatever she. Right. This is he, he doesn't break.

Yeah. It's not. It's, it's, it's, he's a, this is Taylor Swift gaining 60 pounds. Yeah. And deciding she's go and goes golf. Right. And decide she's going to start singing. My name's Avril Levine.

Right. And I have, yeah, no, it's a completely. And I think, I think a lot of people. I'll be honest, I have that in my head. I have an alter ego where I'm a big drug kingpin from Ireland. And I moved to San Francisco as a boy and I was like an orphan. And I grew up in the tenderloin and I rose from like abject poverty to become like a super powerful drug kingpin. And I'm like, I'm murdering people and shit like that.

But I would never, I would never go. There's a pinky blinders. It's, there is some peeky bliders in there mixed with like, whatever. It's a big of the whole. Legends. What was the other one? Legends that were, what's his name, plays two twins? They were real guys.

It's a true story. Oh, I didn't see it. Look, it's a mixture of everything that I've consumed and lived on a very, very reduced scale throughout the years. But I would never, but I'm able to come back from reality. I'm able to come back from that. Can I tell you something? Yeah, go ahead. Now that we're being honest here.

So I shared with my wife only that in my head, while I was incarcerated, I had an ongoing separate life where I was basically like a starship captain from like the genre, the Starship. Like, but my Star Trek. Yeah, Star Trek. Definitely Star Trek. But it wasn't like the enterprise. It was more like the defiant. I don't know if you know anything about Star Trek. But it was a smaller, you know, it was only a small crew.

And it was a, this went out and she's like, what are you talking? I explained it to her. I said, this went on for, for, we're not talking about a week. We're talking about years. Yeah, yeah. There are entire seasons. And you keep building it and just kind of tweaking in your head. It's like you're writing a script.

Some people are dying. Right. Some people are new characters. Some people. And I mean, and she's like, you're taller. Are you? She's like, are you serious? I'm like, yeah.

And I said, you understand? And she's like, and you just daydreamed? But I said, well, I really, I limited it because I wrote most of the time. But I limited it to if you're standing in line waiting for your laundry. And it's 15, 20 minutes. And there's four idiots in front of you and two idiots behind you. And you have to sit there for 30 minutes or 45. Or you're waiting to go to whatever.

You're waiting for 45 minutes to get your food. It's escapism. Exactly. And here's the thing. I watched a documentary about this, by the way. So I had always kind of done that in the little bits and pieces. Nowhere near to the extent. Same.

Nowhere near to the extent I did when I was incarcerated because, of course, there's so much downtime. Right. I had heard, and I remember saying this, it made me feel good. There was a guy who was a farmer who one day something happened. I don't know if he got hit in the head, whatever it was. He's in his like 60s or 70s. Something happened where he, woke up and he it was the same kind of a thing kind of like a uh he thought he was I don't know

what it was he was like he was like a stars let's say the same thing starship captain something like that he was from outer space or something and he wakes up and he's like who are you to his wife they've got like four kids so yeah he got to a point where there was some kind of deterioration of his brain I don't know if he got hit I don't know what happened and the only thing he could remember was this alternate life. And of course, the doctors come in and they're like, no, no, here's what's going on. And it was a very clear syndrome that he had where they explain, she's like, what are you talking about? He's got memories forever.

He's got a whole family. He's got a whole. And she's like, he's crazy. And they're like, no, no, you don't understand. He would be on the tractor for hours at a time driving up and down the farm. He had, you know, hundreds of acres of farms. He spends hours and hours by himself. You said he didn't have a radio.

You don't even get radio out here. You said he basically would sit there and just go back and forth and he just sat there. He didn't have anything. This is what he was doing the entire time. He's living this fantasy. And the only thing once he got hit that remained was the fantasy. And I believe he died like that. Wow.

They put him in a home, the whole thing. Dude, that is. But like when you, and you could go down the rabbit hole talking about that, like quantum physics, right? Like there's multi universes all around us. Maybe it really is happening. Right. That's what I mean. You're plugged in.

Exactly. So you're living this alternate life. But also like it could just be like your your deepest desires that probably just aren't going to come true in this life that you're living. Like I used to have like many fantasies as a kid about playing in the NBA. Like that's all I wanted to do was play professional sports. So it was hockey. And I was, yeah, I played for, I think it was the Vancouver.

Canucks and I was this I was this like professional hockey player and I had like a house I I remember the kind of house I lived in the kind of girlfriend I had and then when it was the dream switch to basketball I became so it's like I've constantly like changed fantasies depending on what life I'm living in but I seem to be still trapped in that narco fantasy and I'm really trying to get out of it but this podcast doesn't help I've always daydreamed about wanting to be able to get stuff off the top shelf you imagine you know without giving to get the little I have a little three-foot little stool that I bring. We have a little stool.

We have them all over the house. I got a better chance of being a drug kingpin, buddy, than you do reach you the top shelf. But so the point is this is ingrained in most people. It's, it's, psychologists can break it down into the alter ego. Maybe somebody can comment about what that is. But with Garth Brooks, this is with a narcissist and somebody that has Machiavellian tendencies. Yeah, yeah.

And obviously psychopathy, he's, it's, it's, it's epitomized in this. It's disassociative to where you're, you're really, they say you're really out of it. Like you're gone. It's not like I can talk about Johnny Mitchell, the narco kingpin from San Francisco. You know what I mean? Right. Like I'm describing it to you. Clearly I'm here.

I think when he's Chris Gaines, when he's living as Chris Gaines, he's gone. There's no, it's like how when Daniel DeLu is. gets into character on the set of his movies, the grip, the best boy comes up to him, he's like, hey, man, you need a water or something, and he's still in character, you know, like that's what Chris Gaines was. I forget who there was some actor where there was the whole thing where they're walking and talking to him. He's, what did you say to me?

Yeah, he does, they're like, oh, don't talk about. Joaquin Phoenix is like that. There's a few, like, hardcore method actors. So essentially, that's what he was doing was method acting, but he really believed he was this guy, Chris Gaines. What was it, Shia LaBuff pulled his tooth out for a fury? He pulled a tooth out and didn't, didn't shower for like three or four weeks. So they finally took him aside and they were like, listen, you've got to take a shower.

Yeah. Like everybody's disgusted. You're Shia. Yeah. You're Shia. Yeah. Cameras are off. You're shy a little bit.

He gave his tooth out. Crazy. Not because anybody asked him, just because he said, I felt like the character would be missing a tooth. Right. This is what we would be doing. This is what he would be doing. He'd be missing a tooth. But this is even, it's, this is even crazier.

Chris Gaines is even crazier than that. Well, it's delusional on a lot of different. It's delusional. Different, you know, levels. Because he, remember, at one point, he starts working with a producer. They start a company called like a Red Slash Productions or something. And she's trying to get him movie deals. Yeah, he's trying to get the movies now.

Right. And first, one of the things they do is they go to, did they go to, oh, well, they go to a, couple of different places. One of them, I want to say, whatever, Sony, Universal, whatever, one of these production company studios they go to and they say they're willing to put up, they were willing to put up $40 million. I want to say it was Fox. But they wanted to keep the song, the rights. And they could share in it, but they wanted to keep it. And Garth said, no. And she'd been pitching this to everybody. Nobody's, he wants, so he wanted to do. a movie as Chris Gaines about the Chris Gaines life story called The Lamb.

And keep on, he's already had a documentary done by VH1 behind the music or something, where they do Chris Gaines' backstory and a massive interview with him and a bunch of actors to play people in his, it's just, it's bizarre. And he does the whole thing. He does the whole thing as Chris Gaines, 45 minutes. Then they're trying to get a movie made, the lamb, and Garth, they're willing to put in $40 million. You've already written some music. You're never going to get any money out of this music unless you get the movie made.

Nobody's buying your albums. They're willing to put in the money and make the movie that you want. And he says, absolutely not. I own all the movie or all the music rights 100%. Yeah. So she can never get that made. Like we said earlier, she tries to get him into multiple, multiple movies where he's just delusional. He thinks he's going to be the lead.

He's like, no, I got to be the lead. You've never been a lead. You've never been a secondary actor. And you want, you want Sony to dump $60 million into a film where it's still. I think I storm the beach. I think I storm the beast. Not Tom, Tom Hanks. What has he done?

Right. Matt Damon? I could be Matt. I could be Matt Damon. I should be Matt Damon. So this all is funny, but it all paints a picture of who this guy is. Right. And then, by the way, remember the producer?

She says he screwed her out of $350,000. Right. Right. And he lied. He's able to lie. She describes a meeting they take where he's pitching. these executives and he's pushing these executives and he starts, he somehow starts talking about his father, his dead father. Because Chris Gaines's father dies in the film. Right. And Garst starts talking about when his father died, how traumatic it was. And he tears up and starts crying

in, in the boardroom with Fox. That's right. That's right. And his father's still alive. Yeah. She said when they walk out, she says to him, your father's still alive and lives in like, you know, Oklahoma. And he's like, yeah, I know, but it made the pitch much better, don't you think? Yeah. So it's, it's, it's insane. It's an insane. The ability, again, that's that, that's the dark triad.

Narcissism, Machiavellianism, and psychopathy. Just the ability to be a chameleon, to lie at a whim to, to woo people, charm people, but it's all to your end. It's all to your end It's the benefit for you And you know what's so funny is that I understand that You know how many times I have a I won't get into too much

But I have a buddy who has a friend That I Have a disagreement with And I was like look I was like listen I don't have a problem With the guy said I mean you guys are buddies I want us all to be friends I said why don't we all go to lunch and I'll talk to him

And he's like he's like well okay What are you going to say? I went no no I'll tell him was wrong and I apologize and I even though he knows I don't believe I'm wrong I was absolutely right you're you're you're not something's wrong with you but I said I'll tell him that and I'll tell him this and I'll tell him that and I said I said I said and trust me by the time it's done I said I'll I said I'll do that I said no problem he's like really and I said yeah bro I'll I'll fall I'll fall on my say I'll fall on my sword I said I have no problem with that and he goes I just didn't see that in you

I said oh bro I said I'll I'll do anything I have to do to get my way If in the end, that's going to make this work, then that's what I'll do. Right. You're a good liar. Yeah. I don't need this guy to like me or care about me or his opinion of me means nothing. This person's not in my life. They never will be.

If they're running around talking shit, I don't care what he says. Yeah. Yeah. Most people will not do that. Most people will not do that. They will not admit that they're wrong if they do not think they are wrong. Of course I'm wrong. I absolutely am wrong.

I shouldn't have said that. It was wrong. I'm sorry, I was going through a bad time and I was just... Because you're trying to get something out of that relationship. I need something out of the relationship. Oh, I have the ability to do that. Yeah.

But a lot of people don't. A lot of people just say will not lie to... In my mind, it's like, yeah, but ultimately I get what I want. That's my goal. This is my goal. What I have to do to get there doesn't matter. Yeah, my pride of winning an argument doesn't matter to this person that I don't know. You know how many times I've gone up to my wife and hugged her and told her I love her and I'm

sorry? And she's like, it's okay, it's okay. I don't even know what I did. I knew she was upset about something. I did something. Should always be apologizing. Even if you're going to do something. Yeah.

Even if you didn't do nothing, you're going to do something. I'm so sorry. Yeah. No, you should tell little white lies to your spouse often. I mean it. But yeah, so we kind of fall in the middle. Like we're not, we might be a little narcissistic, a little Machiavellian, certainly. I'm not chopping anybody up.

Everybody knows our past. It's the psychopathy. It's the psychopathy is what completes a serial killer, right? Being a psychopath. And that's what leads you to murder. Yeah. I guess I just had a better childhood. I don't think you did, though.

I mean, maybe you did. I don't know. I mean, what's interesting is that we don't know much about his childhood. But, you know, regardless, he's got the personality. He's got the opportunity. He's got the motivation. He's got the ability. You know, he fits the personality.

profile of it. And that's in this book, what you do a good job of is like backing up your what seemed like outlandish claims with like FBI approval. Yeah. So are you worried? Do you want, what do you want out of this? Did you just write it? Like I want to break it. I want him to get arrested, dude. I want him to, I want a case getting put on it. I, that's my goal with this. That's why I had you want. I'm blown away by this book and by this. You can call it a conspiracy. theory, but it's it's how cases get made. They start as conspiracy theories. Do they not?

It's a couple of detectives in a room saying, okay, if I were going to do that, yes, I would. Oh, it seems like almost all guesswork. And then some of the guesswork leads to somebody and some of the guesswork exonerate somebody, right? Like they're like, oh, no, he can't. We found out we got a receipt and we can see him on film. Okay, damn, I really thought he did it. What about this guy? They just start going after everybody that they think had means.

and motive until they find somebody that's, oh, that guy's got no alibi. He was in the vicinity. He this, he that, that's our guy. Do you know, are you aware of any of these cases? Because now these are, a lot of these are cold, dead, cold cases. Have any of these been reopened? No.

No, I don't think it. I don't think of them. Hundreds. No. God, how many missing people are out there? They're just not looking for the killers. Like, 500. I think there's like 3,500 at any given time or 4,000.

and 3,500, 4,000 missing persons at any given time. There's a website, oh gosh, it's a name me. It's called name me, like, dot gov or something, and it's got a list of all the missing persons. And then you can get the case numbers, and then you can request the, like, the Freedom of Information Act. For the states, it's the Freedom of Public Records Act. And then you can get them to send you documents

where it kind of lay out the whole, you know, gives you a lot more information you're going to get on just the website. And some states will send it to you and I would get it and some states wouldn't send it to us. Some states would say, you know, what do you want this for? You know, if it's an unsolved homicide, it's like, hey, what do you do? We're not going to give you this.

It's an open case or how long is somebody missing before they are considered? I mean, I don't, it, you would have to, somebody, a family member would have to go or I guess a state could go in front of a judge and get a judge to declare them deceased if they were go missing. I don't think it's an automatic, hey, it's been seven years. They typically have to, you have to wait like seven years. You can get it done earlier, though. Like if it's, you can get it done in a couple of years. If you can kind of prove like through some reason, this person's got to be deceased, there's no cell phone activity. They haven't claimed social security. They haven't. You know, you name off everything. Your Honor, their, you know, law enforcement believes that they're possibly

to, you can try and get a judge to do it earlier. But around. seven years, you still have to go to the court and say, hey, right. So there's only, it's been eight years. There's only 4,000 of those people out there. At any, I think it, I think that's the number at any given time. I believe, I can be wrong. So those are like the people that are, sounds like they're more recent, like more recent active cases. Because, I mean, imagine since the beginning of record keeping, there's got to be like, I think I have the number. There's got to be like tens of thousands, I would think. I was going to say, let me, I think I actually have the number somewhere. Okay.

But there were about 250,000 active missing persons. Wow. 250,000, yeah. Wow, I was way off. I knew 4,000 sounded a little white. Okay, I don't know where I got 4,000. Sorry, yeah, 250. In 2023, there were 250,000 missing persons cases. Wow.

So Garth contributed to do, you know, 1% of that. Yeah, listen, his fresh horses tour alone cost us 2,500 people. Sorry. 25 people. No. No, I mean, the body, it's hundreds and hundreds of bodies. What? I mean, this would, if Garth Brooks. Even the missing persons?

Yes. I don't know about hundreds. It's, it's a hundred and. I'm talking about combined with the murders. Yeah, yeah. It's a couple hundred. I mean, combination of a couple hundred. He, if it's true, he's one of the most prolific serial killers in American history.

Absolutely. Bundy ain't shit Dahmer ain't shit John Wayne Gacy ain't shit I think when I looked up all of them there was one guy there was one guy that had they believed he had killed

but he confessed to 27 and I think they believed he had killed over over a hundred but it wasn't it wasn't 200 one of the most fascinating things you said is is they can just age out of it

yeah yeah you know your body, you know, you break down, body breaks down. You know, it's not like, I guess, whatever you... It's so distressing because he can just get away with it. Every guy over 45 is on TRT. Yeah. You know?

Yeah. So unless he confesses on his deathbed. Nope. Or somebody stumbles across something that connects him. Right. Or he gets arrested, drunk driving. Well, here, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, the rape. How was he wasn't arrested?

No, it's, it's, because. it's not criminal. It's just her word against his. So, so far, it's just civil. Right. Right. That makes sense. Okay. Yeah. So it could, maybe it could go criminal. I don't know. But, but she, she waited. She was trying to get, she was trying to get a, a settlement out of him. Right. Right. Like, I'll keep this quiet. Right. It's like the Cassie Diddy thing. Yeah. When he beat, he beat, he beat her up. And she may have gone and tried to file, you know, file a criminal complaint. And if it was a criminal complaint against, me, you know, I'd be in handcuffs and in jail, but I'm not Garth Brooks. He can mount a defense that even the state of Tennessee is going to have a problem with. And it's, it's right now,

it's her word against his. And apparently, according to her, a whole bunch of texts, which really just show that he's interested in her and making advances. Doesn't say anything about Right. It's probably weighted. Those are notoriously hard to convict, especially when it's something that the victim has waited to come forward with. You like continue to work with that person. Right.

She did. Yeah. So that's not something that you're going to just go arrest him and then fingerprint him for. Yeah. Yeah, she's got some problems. She has some issues in the future. For sure. Yeah.

And like I say, unless something happens, unless he gets pulled over and they say, you know, Garth, we hear kicking coming from the trunk. Okay, what's the... Or Tricia walks in and he's... Right. You know, got somebody strapped to the bed. He's like, I think you were coming home tomorrow. What is the most damning piece of circumstantial evidence from the book that you, that still blew you away that was like, this is the thing that ties it together as much as it has?

Nothing ties it together. No, I know. I don't... Ties it together circumstantially. Right. Like, is it just the proximity? It's the coincidence. It's the massive coincidence.

And the massive coincidence. I find the victim, Tracy, at the rest stop. The fact that he has to, he's, we know he travels along, he has travel along that interstate. Yeah. To get to his rest stop or his next, he get to get to destination. Destination. And we know she was there. And then we know that he goes to a.

location. She disappears. He goes to another location. And then he's traveling across the state, another state to his next tour stop. And the body is found. Yeah. And that's the only eyewitness. There was not one other eyewitness, I guess, except for the shooting in Phoenix. Remember, that's like a drive-by shooting where a black car pulls up to these guys that are listening to country music. Oh yeah, and they and someone fires at them. That's right. And on loads. Were there any other eyewitnesses? No, because no, no, I mean, it's, we're talking about, no, we're talking about vehicles. I mean, he's not, you know, he's opportunistic, right? Like, he's not, it's not like he's grabbing people out of the stands, you know, it's, it's,

talented. Yeah, he's waiting and he's waiting and he's waiting for the right opportunity. Maybe he goes jogging, he sees a guy, he realizes nobody's around, he talks to the guy, he realizes, You know? No, he's very good. Like, he doesn't approach groups. He, it's always somebody usually that's, you know, a person hiking near his, his residence in Tennessee. Oh, yeah. Person hiking goes missing. No, this guy was really good. And look, you know, there are so many of them where we would look at it and say, wow, this is amazing. But as we looked into it, maybe we would get the police report and we'd find some little discrepancy. We'd be like, oh, yeah, yeah, no, that can't. I can't be him. And we discard them. Left them, listen, we discarded as many as we could. We weren't, you know, cherry picking and then we were getting rid of anything that we could, because there are missing people, you know, I mean, you know, so I don't want to say, we didn't want to say, hey, this is, oh, this is definitely one of them. When, once we looked at it, it was like, no, wait, this,

there's three witnesses, but one of them said this and this is clearly not Garth. Right. Or wait, we found out that once we got the document, the time when it actually occurred, we realized he would be, he would be on stage at that time, where what showed up on, let's say, Nemus, the website had a different time or wasn't specific on the time. We thought, oh, my gosh, this was perfect. But then we got the actual document. And you're like, oh, wait a minute. He would have been on the stage. Right. Or, oh, he's in a different town, actually. So you discard that. How long did it take you to to sift through all of these different disappeared.

Especially when I'm trying to figure out, you know, because the towns are all there. He's at, you know, the ATM stadium here. And, you know, I don't really, and it's in this town. Well, okay, well, that town butts right up to this town. And you're like, is that, is it close? I don't know. And then we have to go to that.

You got to go to the map and you say how close is or Ashchap Beach. This town at this address from this town and this address. it says, oh, it's 14 miles and you're like, oh, whoa, or it's three miles. You're like, really? That's a whole different county there. It was like, yeah. Then, of course, you go to the map and you get the map out and you look at it and you're like, oh, wow, it's right over the line. And I can tell you right now, I can only imagine how many I missed because there wasn't, there wasn't an article that had that showed up.

There was nothing that told us. Maybe there wasn't, you know, so the missing persons was one thing. But the unsolved homicides, that's very difficult to find. There's no unsolved homicide website. You have to go to each state and not all states even have one. You have to go to, then you have to go to the counties. Like, I can't tell you how many counties you have to go to to try and find unsolved homicides at a certain time. And then let's say you end up with one or two here, one or two there, and then you order the documents.

You get the documents in and no. Nope, none of them. None of them actually fit. It was close, looked good, but somebody said something. It was driving this type of a vehicle, or he was a known gangbanger in the area. Now they're looking for him. Like, okay, so it's unsolved because they haven't found the guy. Right, right.

Were you worried at all in the writing of this? Like the amount of time and labor and just brain damage that you did to just come up with all of these, all this information. Were you worried that halfway through you were going to be like, damn like this this doesn't it wasn't him he's not a serial killer he's not it's just way too much of a stretch were you worried about like disproving your own pre pre-conditioned beliefs well i i would have been okay with that i mean there's there's probably confirmation bias involved but i you know it it didn't because it is also circumstantial um i wasn't that word and if it happened, that's fine. Listen, I can't tell you how many half done projects I have. This would just

be another one in the pile. There's so many half done. I have so, I have at least four half written articles, true crime articles right now on my computer, at least four of them. They're just half done. I just, I lost interest. This took months and months, where the research was months and then, and it's not very long. Like you said, half the book is just the research to let people know where I got the information, what the numbers are, what the case numbers are, where it was, what the police said, the whole thing. No, it's brilliant. It's a brilliant, very, very impressive, very well-researched expose, I would call it.

But you know what? You know what the most damning piece of logic is that points to this being true? Is that all of these bodies surrounding him and none of them have been solved? with DNA, with all, with forensics, with technology. As you said at the beginning of the episode, it's statistically improbable that it would be anybody else. Right. So if you believe in math, which is a science, right?

Which is the universal truth, math. I think we got to, he should be in shackles. We got to wrap this up. This is going to be a TikTok movement, bro. This is going to be a TikTok movement. want it to be a movement. Wow. How much fun would this be? Does it be incredible? I think, I think what would be incredible is to get on Seguera. Well, that's why I wanted you to come in and kill it and you did because we're going to show this to his people and, and maybe you come on and,

and, you know, but it's important that we walk through logically why, like, like we're DA's explaining to a jury, why this is. true or why we believe this is very reasonable, why we have reasonable, probable cause to at least get this guy's DNA, to at least, at least do a, you know, a preliminary, have a chat with him and then get a search warrant. I, I absolutely agree. Absolutely. It'd be so funny if he didn't do it.

It'd be so funny if you fucking, we ruin this man's lie. He never did it. Stop. He didn't. This guy's so sketchy, bro. He's so sketchy. Okay, well, I think that about does it, man. Very well done, dude.

All right. Plug the book. Where, where, plug the name and where they can get it. Hey, this is bodies in low places. A serious examination into the allegation is Garth Brooks, a serial killer. You can find it on Amazon and any place else that, uh, probably Barnes and Nobles and a bunch of other places. and there's also an audible version.

Is that actually in physical brick and mortar Barnes and Noble stores? No. Oh, okay. Oh, you just self-publish it. I thought about taking a bunch of them, sticking them on the shelves, and then leaning up and just getting my photo taken

and then going in front of Barnes and Nobles with the sign behind me and Holy, you know what we should do? Let's send an episode to, let's send one of the, let's send a copy to Garth's people in Hollywood. We can, we can,

that's an easy IMDB pro search. Listen, you know what I really wanted to do. What I really wanted to do, when I made that little thing, I told my wife, I said, we're going to go, we're going to Nashville. We're going to walk in, stick it on the bar. And his bar. Yeah, his bar.

Lean up against it. You're going to get a video, get some photos. And when the bar, she's like, what did they say something? I go, the bartender says, says, hey, what are you guys doing? And I say, hey, I don't know. Jimmy told me to drop this off. I don't know if Garth is selling books or something. I don't know.

They're going for 1995. Talk to Jimmy and just walk off. I go, what's he going to do? Call the police grab me. He doesn't know. It's a book. It's got Garth's picture on the phone. He's going to think, oh, okay. But what is it? What is he going to do? I said, we walk out. We leave him. I said, Garth's getting a phone call. I guarantee you that. Yeah, oh, for sure. He's going to be like, I don't know. There's 10 fucking books here. Garth, he'll take a picture. Garth, what is this? He's going to be like, oh, this motherfucker. I'm suing this guy. He's in my bar. But then when he does that, that's where you really take it to the press. Like when you get sued, that's what brings the more heat on him. Yeah. That's how you, that's how you reignite this whole thing. That's why he's never going to do. that. I know. He's never going to do that. If he was going to sue anybody, you'd sue Seguera. Seguera. Segura's loaded. Loaded. And he's, he's, it's viral. Right. All this shit's gone viral

10 times over and still nothing. Yeah. It's like, it's the same thing with RFK Jr. He wrote that whole book on Dr. Fauci and just the corruption, the immense corruption of the, of the health industry. And Fauci is, they can't say anything because it's all the sources are, are accounted for. on the back of the book. If you do sue, then great. If we end up in court, then we're going to pull out all your, all your emails, your text messages.

We're going to have people are going to, you turn it into a circus. And then it's just more and more publicity. This guy's terrified. He's like, I can't fucking do this. And then we bring it down to the DA of whatever county that Nashville is in. This is how these things start. I'm all for it. Just don't accept a drink when you go to his bar.

Matt Cox, bodies in low places. Get it go out and get it. I'm telling you one of the best most entertaining shocking reads It's a lot of fun though. It's this amazing make it a movement tell your friends These people need justice absolutely absolutely listen that's what I'm doing this for the families You're doing this for the families you're doing this for justice. Well here's what I you know I don't know what you're doing with your life I'm saving lives I'm what would Jesus do you got your podcast that's nice This is what I do. Yeah.

This is what I do. You are a man on a mission. I've said this before. You are a selfless man. You do things. You do that you follow the Christian way. It's about people helping people. You've never deviated from that.

Absolutely. Through your whole life, you have absolutely followed the Christian way. He's got to be stopped. That's what I'm saying. He does, for sure. Do you think he'll kill again? I mean, look, when is the last time? And then I swear we'll end on this.

I'm going to put aside the two guys that went into his bar and then got killed. When was the last time somebody went missing or was murdered, very obviously outright murdered in Garth's vicinity? I would have to look it up, but I will be shocked. But it was in the last five years. Oh, absolutely. Yes. Last five years. Listen, I'll be shocked if Trish makes it out alive.

That's what I'm saying. Let's keep an eye on that. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Wow. Matt Cox, go get his book. So good to hang out with you, man. Take care. Thank you. See you.