The Connect- with Johnny Mitchell - Meet Miami's WILDEST Gangster: Ultra-Violent Miami Criminal Exposes Florida's BLOODY Underworld

Episode Date: January 4, 2026

OG Gigavelli is a certified Miami original — born into violence, shaped by the streets, and forged in some of the most brutal prisons in America. OG breaks down a side of Miami history almost never discussed: the Black and Islander underworld that operated alongside — and often beneath — the Cocaine Cowboys era. From Liberty City and Brownsville to federal penitentiaries and near-death prison riots, this is a raw, unfiltered account of survival, crime, and eventual transformation OG came up during the wild 80s and 90s, where robbery was second nature, violence was currency, and the streets raised kids faster than families ever could. He details: -Seeing dead bodies as a child in Miami -Carjackings and robberies in broad daylight -The structure of Miami’s Black drug economy before it was ever “professionalized” elsewhere -Stabbings, race wars, and near-fatal ambushes inside state and federal prison -How Islam and time forced him to confront who he had become This isn’t glorification — it’s documentation. A firsthand account of a world most people only know through movies like Scarface or Cocaine Cowboys, told by someone who actually lived it. Go Support OG! YouTube:  @WhatTheyDoPodcast305  Book: https://a.co/d/2iiDBlo IG: https://www.instagram.com/og_gigaveli TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@gigaveli Join The Patreon For Bonus Content! https://www.patreon.com/theconnectshow 00:00 OG Gigavelli's Violent Origins & Miami Streets 05:36 Life in the Miami Hood & Early Hustle 12:00 Structure of Miami Drug Trade 19:03 Island Influence & Culture in Miami Crime 26:27 Transition to Robbery & Early Trouble 33:03 Juvenile Prison: Survival & Violence 40:28 Rising in Street Hierarchy & Prison Politics 45:06 State Prison: Robbing from Inside 53:34 Confrontations, Transfers, & Release 01:01:01 Struggles with Release & Cycle of Incarceration 01:06:34 Running a Trap and Chasing Fast Money 01:13:53 CM: The Harshest Lockdown in Florida Prisons 01:19:21 Post-Prison Hustling & Out-of-Town Moves 01:27:32 The Ecstasy Era & Big Hustles in Tennessee 01:34:08 Getting Caught: Counterfeit Money & Fed Indictment 01:41:58 21 Years in the Feds & Road to Redemption 01:46:11 OG Gigavelli's Books, Podcast & New Message 01:52:39 Miami Legacy, Final Reflections & Sign-Off Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Ain't nothing wild in a bunch of juveniles with no guidance. Robbery was like second nature. I went to the driver's side, told the driver, hey, this is Jack, don't make it a homicide. Oh, D-shot caller from Miami. I got hit five times in the chest. I didn't know I was getting stabbed until I felt the shortness of breath. I'm spending $5,000 and I'm getting me a thousand peal. I'm hood-rich.

O.G. Jigavelli is a certified gangster from the slums of Miami, Florida. He came of age during the wild 1980s and 90s, and in the projects of Miami, nobody was wilder than OG. Carjackings in broad daylight, robbing tourists at gunpoint, and brutally stabbing his enemies in prison. OG's life was non-stop violence. In the early 2000s, he finally caught a run as a big-time drug dealer, getting money out of town in Knoxville, Tennessee, until he was taken down in 2006 and sentenced to 21 years in federal prison. This story is fucking crazy. O.G. is the embodiment of a Miami boy, the descendant of Islanders who went on to terrorize the South Florida projects,

but who is now using his platform for good. Check out O.G. on YouTube and his podcast, What They Do, as well as his book, Pressure, available on Amazon. And for a bonus episode with O.G., where he talks about his grimy stories from the feds, as well as his road to redemption through Islam, hit that Patreon. You know what to do, patreon.com slash the Connect show. All right, guys, this is the perfect episode to start the new year. Happy 2026, O.G. Jigavelli, right here on The Connect with Johnny Mitchell.

When you come to the culture or the hip-hop or anything, Miami can chew. Right. And when you talk about crime and drugs and thugging in the game, when you think about Miami, it's pretty much only known for Cuban and Colombian coke dealing, Griselda and the era of the cocaine cowboys. So that's why this is really an exciting interview for me, because you come from like the SWATs.

And yeah, it's an era and a subculture that most people don't talk about. So go into it, man. Tell us where you're from. Man, first of foremost, thanks for having, you know what I'm saying? I know how big your platform is. I was excited when you reached out to me because I want to be able to reach a lot of people.

I'm from Daye County, aka the bottom, Miami, you know what I'm saying? the original source city of the East Coast, basically, and beyond. You know what I'm saying? I'm from Brown, sub, by way of Liberty City, 22L. Yeah, Liberty City. I mean, I've heard of Liberty City. That used to be the hood. The hood, the hood.

It used to be. Still is. Yeah. Wow. Well, they're not going to change the hood is the hood. Yeah, so you basically have three, we'll call it, black criminal elements in Miami. And correct me if I'm wrong. You've got the Haitian influence with the Zopound gang.

you've got the, well, you've got kind of where you come from and what you guys were involved in, the Bahamians and the Islanders. And then, yeah, I guess that's pretty much it. But tell us where, yeah, like what was family life like? What was growing up like? And how did you first get involved in the street? First and foremost, man, I know you normally have, your show is called a connect. So you normally have a big, you know, beat. Beaked, dope boys, the plug or whatever.

My story, my story is a story of violence, you know what I'm saying? The violence that, you know, if you look at Miami and when you ask me where I come from, you look at Miami, growing up in Miami, I grew up in the cocaine cowboy era. I grew up with Zella Broncoa, the Cubans and the Columbia Wars. You know what I'm saying? The Scarface story portrayed. So I grew up in poverty like everybody else. My story is the story of every young cat out of Miami.

growing up in the apartment builders and the projects in the hood, you know, but I'm not from the crack, I'm from the heroin era, the dog food era, you know what I'm saying? So I grew up seeing syringes laying around. I remember when I was seven years old, I kind of know I was about second grade, if I'm not sure, about seven grade. I was, you know what I mean? My mom used to drop me off in Brown's sub over my auntie house, my great auntie house. And she used to leave us old.

She dropped me off on Friday. and it was my responsibility to catch the bus from the sub back to to where we moved that in the city. You know what I'm saying? On 2-2-A. So I remember walking by this old abandoned, like

right, if you're from Miami, you know what I'm talking about on 41st and 22nd Avenue. It used to be like a garage where they fixed cars. You know how they have the two sides where the cars are pulling at. where this particular spot, it was abandoned, and I remember catching a fucked up older walking by.

I'm seven years old. I'm heading to the mountain rail station to catch the bus. And I looked in, it was my first time seeing a dead body. You know what I'm saying? And it was this big, I guess he was Spanish because he was yokelplex and white or whatever, you know what I'm saying? And he was laying there, he was in a suit.

And I remember seeing a lot of white stuff on him. At this particular time, you know, from Miami's, I knew it was. I knew it was cold. And I seen it, and his body had done swirled up. You know what I'm saying? It had been there for, I guess, maybe a couple days or whatever. And I remember looking at it, and I remember walking up on it

and seeing the, like, the bullet hole through his head, where it went through his head and shit. And I looked around, I was like, she, you know, I didn't see any money. That's what I walked up on, you know what I mean? I was going to loot the money, but I didn't know what to do with the drugs. like somebody dumped like maybe a key or so. As an adult, I know maybe it had to be over a brick on his body. And I remember telling him one of my homeboys later on about this story

when I was in the joint and my homeboy told me the reason they was doing that back then was they would leave drugs on the scene so the investigation to know this drug related. And it won't get as much respect as, you know what I'm saying? Because, you know, everybody on a take back then. Right. So if they knew, if Miami homicides saw that it was over some drugs, they would say, ah, just chalk it up. Chalk it up as a part of the walk, because it was going on so many.

People dying every day. Come on, you know what I'm saying? So my story is a story, I'm being able to, I'm brought into the game out of violence. That's the first language in Miami, violence, you know what I'm saying? And that would show me to be, you know, the force that I am, you know what I mean, when it comes to, when it came. to making the name in the streets, I was known for being a real quick violent dudes, you know what I'm saying?

From jail and outside of jail. Yeah. Okay, so you said the Heron era, so you're talking like the late 70s, early 80s? I'm 74 baby. I'm 51 years old, you know what I mean? So I'm talking about the early 80s. I can't tell you what happened

while I was a baby. I could tell you when I started seeing shit, when I started noticing shit, you know what I'm saying? So, yeah, it's wild. That's a part of Miami that just is tucked away and nobody sees. But it really looks like the south in these Miami neighborhoods. Like what we associate with like the deep south.

Body's not getting picked up for days. People OD in little alleyways. It's hot as fuck, you know? Right, right. You know it in that heat, that body going to think quick. For sure. The shower posse, I forgot. That was another element to the black subculture.

The shower posse, they were dropping a lot of bodies and, you know, the Jamaicans. moving a lot of Coke and marijuana and stuff like that. So how did you get involved? And what age? And did you have a little crew? No, like, like, you know, me getting, when you say involved, I started out hustling, man. I didn't come in the game selling drugs off-rip.

I really came in the game robbing, but that started after them to hustle. I was a little hustle. I was one-and-one kids down in Miami. You called a quarterhead. I run to the store for the hustlers and the number of men and shit like that I would want them guys there to say,

hey, come in a little jig or come here a little pig after my daddy and I would run to the store, get them cigarettes or go get them, you know, whatever, a bill, whatever they asked me to go get. And they'll give me a quarter, they'll give me, you know what I mean. I started little hustles like that, you know.

And like I told you, my mom used to drop me off with my great grandma. She was the Frozen Cup lady. So everybody around me hustle. You know what I'm saying? So quite naturally, then my dad was a hustler, you know what I'm saying? So I went at it early on from analysis, from a jet, you know what I'm saying? We call young people Jits.

From a Jit, I went on being a hustler pumping gas, bagging groceries, you know what I mean? Selling cans like the junkies, you know what I mean? I had my bags of cans on the side of the house and shit. So when I started getting up in age around teenage age, that that wasn't. That wasn't cool no more. The bag and grocery, the pumping gas. You know, I got put down by one of my homeboys, man. Shout out the Big World, you know what I mean?

On 15th app, I started out being a little watch out, you know, $50 a night, watching out. But I was one of the highest pages. I was watching out for two spots. I was watching out for World. And my position on the app on 71st and 15th, you know what I mean? I was also watching out for my home. on what God bless the dead jet.

You know what I mean? With Star Bolers. So I'm getting 50 over here, 50 over there, including what else, my little hustle. So in the 80s... It's good money. Yeah, you look at it. I'm 14 years old.

Are these crack spots now? These one spot, Star Boulders was a juggler spot where you could buy a $5 rock and go somewhere else in Miami and sell it for 40 because you're going to break it down. That's called a juggler.

You know what I'm saying? You're able to make some more money off it. And then the spot, and peeping was a $20 powder spot, you know what I'm saying? You hear me saying names because in Miami, we had like Trix said on one of the interview, we had designer dope, you know what I'm saying? I think, matter of fact, it was on Miami Kingpins documentary.

That means we put names on our packages. You know what I mean? You say you guys were the first ones to kind of professionalize drug trafficking. It's a fact. That's a fact. Can you explain that more? And when I when I when I when I when I when I when we were speaking off camera I was telling you know Um Miami don't get the credit for what it brought to you know

Um to to to to the culture of the game. You mean the dope game right. Um, um, you see you see you see everybody they're looking at the BMF movement. You know what I mean? And shout out to meet them whatever they moved. They were loud with it. They did the billboards. Miami wasn't trained like that.

We was, we was organized. We had really when you see, um, New Jack C. and you see these movies where you see an organization serving, that was implemented by my big homeboy, some of these guys that's in the picture on my shirt. You know what I mean? Big Ike, convertible bird, big trap. You know what I'm saying?

I can name so many, you know, boss man and so forth. Miami, you know, you know. But what we had was watchouts. Like I just told one of the ones I want one, who would watch out for the police. then we had what we call the bond man a lot of people get that mixed up but it's the bond man because

he's the only one really he's the one serving the drugs the actual product hand to hand so he's the ones taking the most risk so he became the bond man because if he go to jail the crew going to bond him out real quick then we had the gunman who nobody sees because he's in the cut from a spot

where you don't know but he's out there you know what I'm saying he crossed the street with the AK like a sniper almost He's a sniper. You know what I'm saying? You don't see him. You know, and then that's a structure.

And you were able to pull up and you were able to get, you know, on 15th and all our drug holes. And we had them right by each other, you know. And people would know us by the name of the product. So they knew they was getting quality designer drugs. And did you guys have the vials, the tops like they do in New York? We didn't do. We had the baggies. The glassing bags.

The skilled bags. And we, and a weed was sold in the little envelopes. And it would have a certain, you know, a certain stamp on it, representing what particular weed that was or whatever particular drug that was. Right. Did the black, the guys on your shirt, like, did they, were they getting their product wholesale from the Cubans? Or are you aware of any of those, like, guys back in the day that actually had direct Colombian connects? Listen, listen.

For those viewing this, man, y'all seen American gangster, one of Denzel watching playing American gangster. He was playing a dude out of Harlem, Frank Lucas, right? You see him go all the way to Vietnam and meet the plug and flood Harlem Streets with Huron, right? We had the same thing going on in the mind. We had big quote. My homeboy, big quote, rest in peace. My homeboy just recently passed Robert Hawkins.

They was bringing the actual work in. And I'm going to share this content so you could be able to proof it. They were bringing the actual work in it. And I can speak about them now because they did. It's old weird. We ain't solving no cases. But they were bringing the actual work in, went wade over there and had the work brought in in the castings,

in the castes of dead soldiers. You know what I'm saying? So they went to Southeast Asia for the hair on? They went to the source. They went to the source. We had the direct, we listen, listen, we Miami. If you go back and you track, you got Willie Falkan, you got, you got, you know what I'm saying?

You got, you got Sal, you got these boys, the biggest drug traffickers, you know, they already been, they already been whatever, you know what I'm saying? You got the cocaine cop. You got all this, y'all see it. Who, who,

they're not serving it in the hood. They got to have a plug. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So all my home boys don't win and serve 30 and 40 in years on this time and came home, you know what I mean,

with standards, not no rats or nothing. So they don't came home and served their time. Now that I'm talking about it is because I'm advocating for them so our stories can be told. We don't have to, sit on podcast. You can watch it on a big screen.

Right. You know, you're fascinated by a scarface? Okay, Bo Dilley, the original Scarface, you know what I mean? Is it was Joe Didley? Yeah, that's my homie. I think Rick Ross, I've heard him rapping about Bo Didly. Yeah, a lot of people rap about him. So a guy like Bo Diddley got to the level of like a Willie Falcone, where he

didn't have to get middleman by the Cubans. He had a direct source. Like he was getting a wholesale. It's always a middleman. There's always a connect. It's always a plug. but he was a big, he was a big figure in that. You know what I'm saying? That's why Miami Kingpins, go watch the documentary. He speaks for himself.

I don't have to speak for Bumbo Didley. He's out here, you know what I'm saying? So who the crew you were running with, did you guys know who like the shot caller was, getting the work? Like, how structured was it? Let me tell you something about Miami, right? You know who, you know who, you know who, you know who,

you know who to plug, you know. I used to park of vert, Burrower, cars, when I was a jet. You know what I'm saying? So I know who Bert was. I'm going to send you pictures of me and Burke. I talk the boat. I can call them right now.

You know what I'm saying? I know who big tribe is. You know what I'm saying? I watch these boys. They're in the hood. These are our neighborhood superstars. They're not hired no wealth. They're on the block.

You know what I'm saying? They got the report cards line. You do good in school. They give you $100 for $4.4. You know what I mean? They're taking the whole projects to Disney World. Wow. You know what I'm saying?

These are our neighborhood. This is why the rappers, rap about them because they were seeing what they were doing. Converteville-Burt, brought Tyson on the app. You know what I'm saying? On 15th app. All this is documentary, you know what I mean? So, yeah, we know who there is,

but they taught us something. This is why you seeing me being one of your first guests from Miami to speak on that, because Miami has been trained that we are not to be seen to be heard. And I showed you that contrast earlier when I said, Shout out to BMF. BMF was loud. BMF had the billboard.

Look at us. You know what I'm saying? But Meach had a strategy for that. He was trying to insert the industry and promote his way and hide what he was doing. So I'm not throwing shade. I'm just showing the fact that we trained different. You can see a Miami Kingpin with some Dickies on.

Like my home boy, Big I. Big I would have a working man Dickie on or overall on. The pictures you see with Big Ike and Boeh did it and all in with the jury on, if they knew social media was going to put that all everywhere, they would have never let them pictures be out. Then was at private events. You know what I'm saying? Because they're not about their attention.

Right. You know what I'm saying? Because who know, no. And you were saying, like, the influence of the islands, like the Bahamas and Haiti, on the hoods in Miami, it kind of breeds really good business people, really, like, shrewd business people.

There's something about immigrants that actually make them better business minds than ordinary cats from different hoods. You know what you know. You said that you hit the nail on the head. What makes a Haitian a screwed businessman, he could speak three languages. Right.

You know what I'm saying? He could speak Creole. He can speak English. He can speak Spanish. So here's a black man that could do. Why do you think they got the success? The Haitian's own whole half of Miami. Now they started a little Haiti.

Now they own the whole East, because they're all the way up to North Miami. Because they're shrewd businessmen. Right. Then you got Cubans, you know what I'm saying? They could pass for different nationalities. You can see a Cuban black as me. You can see a Cuban light as you.

You know what I'm saying? So the, the politics. And then when you come, I told you, when you come across that water in intertubes and vessels that's true, you watch the cuss and fall over and die. Right. Sharks everywhere.

You get to the land of the opportunity. You're not playing. No. You're on your grind. You know what I'm saying? That's why you see so many immigrants coming over here suppressing entitled Americans. Exactly.

We get over, we feel in time. We're getting lazy. They're not lazy. They're hungry. Exactly. I also think, too, though, the violence of those islands, like the savagery that goes on to the Bahamas,

you know, people get chopped up still. That's what I was telling you. I think that culture also found its way to the hoods in Miami as well, don't you think? Listen, I told you my story is a story beat out of violence. I'm going to tell you why. My grandma was a midwife

in the Bahamas. Shout out to the two-four-two, right? If you're watching this. You know my grandma, man. Now I saw Bahamas on Camita Walks. She was the nursemaid. She born. That's why I'm good in the Bahamas.

My grandma, damn, they birthed everybody out the hood that I'm out of. You know what I'm saying? Over there. So as a youth, I was going over there on the holidays, on the summer breaks. My mom would send me to the island and be with my grandma from a look, from six, seven, eight, five years old far back, I can remember. I remember seeing my, she not wasn't the only, she wasn't the only one just bringing birth.

She was patching up machete rooms. Those were literally chopping each other up and my grandma would put something called Epson's Salt. It's like, it's a white pottery something and it would stop the bleeding. I was seeing this early on. So when I came back to Miami off those breaks, I get in little fights around the hood.

I was different. I would pick a rock. I would bust your head. You know what I'm saying? I would stick something in you. One of the first child, I went to juvenile for stabbing a dude in sixth grade. Wow.

You know what I'm saying? So it just made me more valid than the actual Yank, American-born African-American in Miami. You know what I'm saying? Because I got Allen in me, you know what I mean? Because that shit is nothing over there. That shit is nothing over there. It ain't take nothing to pull a trigger,

but you're more up in person when you stabbing or chopping. You know what I'm saying? It's just, it's just we were raised like that. And that is why Miami is different. That's why Miami is different, you know. But also just before we move on with your story, I think because of that shrewdness and that more worldly international culture,

I think a lot of those black kingpins really invested their money in property. And, you know, they did what the cocaine kingpins did with their money. Like they were, I think they made it last longer than some of the flashy guys from, you know, Washington, D.C. or Harlem. You know, you pointed outside, right? right and I want to zero in on what you just said. Our King Penns put back into the community. Our King Penn taught the guys my age that what witnessed them in their heyday

what to do with the dope money. Ike was, Ike bought a construction company. Ike had property. I had clubs. Rick Brownlee, one of my other homeboys, he had a supermarket. He had a fish market. He had numerous businesses around around the city. created jobs, you know what I mean?

All of our kingpins, you know what I mean, they had, Bunky Brown had the, over town, he had the hall, the pool hall, so you would know what to do with the drug money, you know what I'm saying? So our wife really, when I look back now, when I did my prison time, I look back and I, and I look at my city,

and I say, you know, I can see why the hand that be. because we don't care where you're at it in what city you're from you're not bringing the dope in you're not allowing the dope to be in you you you you you're you're a victim to of a bigger scale and that's that's a whole nother topic i don't want to go too far deep but Miami kingpins got round up around the same time like 91 late 89's like hold up we got to stop y'all you got yawah being yaway buying up all this property we got to stop that because that is promoting what we don't. But then we're going to let L.A. do what they do.

We're going to let New York do what they do. We're going to let Detroit do what they do. You know what I'm saying? And you look at those, you look at some of them cities now, like Detroit, blacks ain't owning shit. We're not owning shit over here. Then you look at Miami. They're not owning shit like over here.

So they play into the violence when Miami was playing into the ownership of all shit. You know what I'm saying? So we lost that when we lost our kingpins. and we lost our leadership. Spring weekends are all about family, sunshine, and evenings on the patio. Before everyone arrives, I stop by my local Total Wine and More to grab a great bottle to share. With such a wide selection and the lowest prices,

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So it was about 91 that you really become a free agent. That's when all these big takedown of these old school heads. But what happened? So you're a watchout. I love Miami. It's different. Everywhere else's lookout, you're a watchout. What happens next?

How did you develop? and grow. Well, you know, watch out slow money, dope money was slow money back then, you know what I mean? Because everybody, everybody in the dope, you know, not really everybody, but it wasn't fast enough for me. You know what I mean? And I didn't take too kindly to being a worker, you know what I mean?

So I got to doing what the next choice was, robbing. You know what I'm saying? So I was at the light picking targets, robbing, you know, whatever looked like a lick. I think if you watch my interview on Matt, Matt Cox, I was telling me we were robbing tourists. You know what I'm saying? The next best thing, you know, out of town of Miami, a tourist city. So we hit licks.

We call them phone. You know what I'm saying? We're catching them at the light. We're catching them slipping, you know what I mean? Carjacking? Well, I don't want the car. I want the money. You can keep the car.

I want the jury, the money, you know what I mean? We were smashing grab. This is called a smash and grab. Yeah. But before I started smashing grab, I was on robbing that delight. Yeah. Yeah, you know what I mean? So that's what I went into.

I shared a couple of incidents where end up getting me going to juvenile. I ended up having a big-ass shootout. Me and my homeboy, KK., a real one. We ended up having a shootout. I was 15. KK.K. was 14. It was back-to-school time. I ain't had no money.

KK ain't had no money, but we had some guns. And we were leaving out. Ammony Mall. I seen funk. I seen some white people with, you know, first thing I spotted was the guy threw his arm on the steering where I seen the Rolex. I look at KK. We had undidded this numerous times. So it's like, like mine, and he went to the passenger side. He got the woman up, I went to the driver's side, told the driver, hey, listen, one of my favorite lines. This is Jack. Don't make it a homicide. You know what I'm saying? I mean, I know it's cliche, but it's the shit that we do, you know what I mean?

So, you know, I was, it's crazy to think about it now. I was comfortable doing that shit. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, I see people that shop live. I see people that do other things. And I only got the nerve to do that shit. I ain't a good thief, but I don't know if that makes sense of it.

But robbery was like second nature, you know what I'm saying? At a stoplight. At a stoplight. And, you know, Miami is such a city, like I told you, used to violence. At any given time, it could be some shit going on cause people mind their business. So you weren't worried about more heat from jacking white people and tourists?

You weren't worried about the extra heat that might bring down? I mean, props to you for not... No, no, no. Ritalizing people in your own community, but, you know... No, reason... I'm not a racist. So it ain't like I'm told...

No, it's not that I'm chosen white people because I don't like them. Of course not. The people in my neighborhood ain't got no fucking money. Right. And then I ended up robbing somebody, son, somebody auntie or some shit

for her checking shit. Then I got to deal with a son. I got to deal with a, you know what I mean? I can identify. I robbed these white folks over here. Not that white shit. They could be, you were Japanese, Russians, whoever, you were a visitor to Miami.

It wasn't just, you know what I'm thinking. We was targeting tourists. I would pull a lick on a Japanese person. I don't think they would, I don't think they would put up much resistance. I mean, the way that we was doing it, you couldn't resist at all. You know what I mean?

It was like it was so quickly happened, unispecting to happen. So would you go, would you leave the hood and go to tourist spots? Like, would you go, Brickle wasn't a thing, but like, yeah, Brooklyn was a thing. Yeah, that's a route.

That's a route. We call them routes. We would lead a hood. We would go to the airport. We'd be on a route looking for tourists. Something, but, you know, it was so crazy before we, I'm one of the reasons.

Me and the guys they were doing this this time. Shout out to the Robin Hood niggas and O.J. Rest in Peace and Paul and all my brother. Y'all know Miami, you know, I'm talking about. But we didn't have to lead the hood sometime. People would get lost and be right there.

And we would see them. We'd be riding around with a map, the light on. Like, what the fuck? Oh, this is sweet. You know what I'm doing? It's an early Christmas. Some work, yeah. It's early Christmas, you know what I mean?

Miami's a small city. Like, the hood is pressed up right against. Man, right there. Miami Beach, overtime. Brooklyn, overtime. Yeah. The airport, Brown, sub. You know what I mean?

I'm glad we got a little more time because I don't generally I can laugh about it when I was in the era I was really in the era I was just didn't know better I was a product of my environment you know what I'm saying

I'm not making no excuses because that one that ain't what I represent now but back to the story we had to like I love telling the story because it was exciting I wish I could have been part of it telling the story because KK has changed man now. He does air-condition repair. He raising a son.

I'm an author. I'm a, I'm a motivating speaker. I'm doing positive things. So I look back now at this robbery, it changes our life. ChK. M. catching 17 years. We had a shootout. Okay, yeah. So you go to rob this couple.

This couple. Okay. What happens? We at the light. We robbing the couple, right? And I'm sitting there. I'm looking at the, the watch. I don't got the watch. I didn't make him give me his wallet. So like you say,

cars are hitting the, hitting the, you know, going around, minding their business. And I hear freeze, motherfucker, freeze. So when I hear that, the next thing I heard before I could turn my hell, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, it shots being fired. KK. KK. It's a hero. We call him a hero. It's someone that decides, I want to, I want to intervene in this shit. A good Samaritan. Good Samaritan. He was down in the police. I call it a police stout. It's a, Like when you protect yourself between the door and you're seeing in the movies and he was down like that

and I looked over and all I seen was KK. Shooting from the other side of the car towards his car. He returned fire but it seemed like he was like bullets was hitting towards me and I, because it's these little poles

that was like pose to prevent cars from like going into a car lot or whatever, no little pose I'm saying and I kept one or two was right by me and I'm like, ding ding ding, ding. I'm like, what the fuck? So, you know,

coming up like I come up man anybody that was involved in the type of shit that me and KKK was involved there was a bunch of us that was doing it one of the things that we had a saying for you know if you buck we bust so at the end of the day

it's a buck now y'all bucking so I had to let go so I let go a few rounds but I wasn't planning on staying there and then I'm taking five and I ain't got no real cover so my next thing only makes sure I get me a few rounds out because when we get away

I'm planning on getting away I could at least show that I got off and I, you know what I mean? So I rent to my little homeboys. It was two other guys with us but they weren't participating. Shout out to my home boy, Dooney and Katai from Overtown

and his cousin Pat. I went to try to get them my gun because they actually went shopping. And they were like, no, no, no, no, run that way. And I ran, because they were from Overtown. So I started heading back over town, ran through the graveyard. If y'all know what I'm talking about

is the next street from around the Omni Mall. It's a graveyard. If you head back towards Overtown, you're going to have to pass through it. It's a good way to pass through it. So I'm like running through the graveyard, KK running behind me. I look back over my shoulder. He's trying to ditch the pocketbook.

So he's going through the pocketbook, trying to get the little cash out of whatever. I kept going. I end up making it overtime, waiting on KK to come through. I hear all the kind of sirens. As I were running my way, I'm passing police is going towards the scene. But I'm stopping and running, stopping and running, you know. Yeah, yeah.

But I ended up making it back, but later someone either pointed me out. I think back now, you know, the police got local snitchers, local motherfuckers in the hood, like crackheads, postitutes. One of the motherfuckers pointed me out. They had long got KK. You know what I mean? I find out later on, you know, both of us to go to juvenile. Did anybody get hit?

What, what you mean? No, no one got hit. Okay. Fortunately, you know what I mean? because KKK probably would, KKA end up getting more time to me because we got charged as juvenile. I'm 15, KK14.

We had what they called a waiver hearing. They couldn't just charge us as an adult first. They had a waiver hearing. And this waiver hearing is like a mini trial where they have to get probable cause. They have to have evidence to, you know, the burden is on the government. And they didn't meet the burden

when it came to my part. I didn't get point out by anybody. KK got a day. identified, he went to the tent flow. I was already on the run from a program that I had left. That's something. I had left the program. I was a drug program that I went to

and I had left. So I had pending charges from escape from there and a sales charge. So I was staying in the hall. I was going to a program anyway. I was just prolonging myself with the process of the robbery. So I went on ahead, ignorant

as I am now. I copped out to the shit. Two counts on robbery. three counts attempted murder and me having the extra cause with cocaine with a thousand feet of school zone. And I went to Okotobie Boys School. KK. End up going to state prison. How long were your sentences, both of yours?

I got the best end of the deal. KK. End up doing like 11 years. It was probably more than that. He caught 17 years as a juvenile. He was 14 years old. I felt terrible. You know what I'm saying? Because I peeped that lick.

You know what I mean? I'm the one that chose that one. you know, but he made it through, like I say, he do air conditioning, he's doing well, he made a better man. I ended up catching boys' school. I ended up doing like almost 16 months. Oh, that's not bad. You tell me about it, man.

Tell me about it. So, tell, Okachobi? Okachobi boys' school. All right, and that must be like gladiator school, those jet schools. I don't been in prisons, state level, state-level prisons, federal pens. Ain't wild in a bunch of juveniles with no guys. guidance. Shit to do.

You know what I'm saying? Ignorant. Muffin'all just walk by and stick their hand in your food just bullshit. Nighttime, you're laying in your bed, muffler might just throw some hot water on your ass just because they bore. That type of shit. Just violence, senseless violence. I told you, I told y'all before y'all start watching, there's a story of violence.

So did you have to get down in there? You had to get down. Yeah. I would want to the shot call. I was D-shot call her from Miami. Yeah, at the age of 15. I had a crew there We ended up getting it down a couple times

One of the biggest ones we had was Folk Myers Shout out to them boys from Folk Myers I formulated We end up getting to a beef with them You know Fort Myers took an L because of my leadership Shout out to my homeboy Keith

I remember when he was just a little skinny little son off 103rd man Keith was tall I got all the home boys That was going to participate in it We had a little beef with Fort Myers I got all them together I was like, hey, man, you're going to fight this person.

I'm going to fight that person. You're going to fight this person. And then I shot out to Palm Beach, man. Palm Beach, A's and assisted us to my home boy, Arthur Vane's. He's gone now that y'all know him about Dusty and Frank Richburg. You know what I mean? They lend their hands. So we had a couple, I had a lot of incidents at Elkow Boys.

And is it just rumbling? Is it just fist fighting or cats getting stabbed in there, too? Man, you getting hit in the head with hammers, hickie sticks, locks in the socks. I kept me a knife on me there. You know what I mean? When I was 0-2, I was 144 pounds. I'm not fin to do too much fire.

I'm putting that knife in your head. I'm putting that knife in your life. Yeah. They sat. So you did that? Did I do that? Man, come on, man. That's what I'm known for.

I told, I'm behaving, man. I'm behaving, man. I'm leaving. That's one thing. Like, in the federal prison, they always talk about D.C. Oh, D.C., D.C., Florida, motherfucker.

Like, especially Miami Florida niggas, like, we're gonna Hastings, Cubans, Jamaica, man, we knife first. Did you know how to stick somebody without making it fatal? Just to keep somebody, you know, on their toes, just to a little punishment? Did you know?

Yeah, I know how to do that. Of course, I'm trying to do it. That's what I was doing. It's an ice peak. I'm not trying to kill you. But if you're fucking with him, I'm trying to kill you. You know what I'm saying? I don't get a fuck.

What happened to you? What is the ice pick? What I'm saying? Look, like, I used to make, I made one of Okotropic Boy School, right? It's the little, you know, they got shit that keep the fence together. You go out there, you peel it all. It's real soft iron kind of, but it's still hard enough.

You straighten it out, and it files down real quick. You know what I'm saying? That's an ice pick. That hurts like a motherfucker. That's that, get up off me a little bit. That's just that, you know, you're a little too big for me. You know what I'm saying? Go get a tent.

Go get a shot. I'm going to hit you in your kidney a few times. You know what I'm saying? Right. That's what that's about. So kidney's not fatal, but it comes. Like I told you fucking with me, I don't give a fucking fate or not. Right.

I'm just being honest with you. At that point, you think I'm thinking, I'm fighting with my knife. If I got to use my knife, I'm already feeling like you're a little too much for me. So, you know, besides me, I prefer to whip a motherfucker with my hands. You know what I'm known for in Daye County. Like, I was a house man in the eight county on a tent. Our flows are called a house of pain for a reason. Fifth flow, six flow.

Tent flow, one of the hardest flows in Dayy County Jail. And I represented on all them flows. That's what I'm really known for. You know what I mean? That's what I'm really known for. Yeah. I'm not a huge fan of stabbing or getting stabbed. That sounds like a horrible, horrible way to go.

Let me tell you, son. I don't been stabbed. I can tell you, I got stabbed eight times by some serenios. And everybody is watching this. Getting the comments, you was there. If you was in Florida, if you was at Manchester, 2015, one of the biggest rides

in Manchester history was about me, about the weight pile. You know what I'm saying? I got hit two times in the back of the neck, five times in the chest, one time in the back, from one of the head, Serenios. If you ever watch Gangland,

it's an episode in Gangland where they talk about the satellite house. That's Serenio. I forgot his name, but he was the shock caller. at Manchester in 215. I know it because when he got there, it was a big ruptych of most of Serenio's,

like some big shot on a pound pound. If you look at him, you would think he had nervous when she wore glass, a little short dude, but his mom was a big carrier for the cartels in South Central. You know what I mean? His brother actually got killed by, this episode I'm talking about, his brother got killed by the police in their front yard.

and they called it the cellarlight house because they had a big cellar light. You may know the episode I'm talking about. Go check it out. Fact check it. On gang land, I got into it with him. He greenlighted me. You know what I'm saying?

Oh, so they were coming to kill you. Yeah, they came. I got stabbed in there. I got air lifted. Wow. You know what I got an air lifted. But the funny thing about it, they gave my helicopter away twice.

Because soon as the word spread that Miami, they were calling me Miami in Kentucky. Miami, they just stabbed Miami on the weight pile. Every unit, it whole compound blew up. The G.D. Vice Lord Crips. Bloods, all blacks, just crushed the terrains, cross the Pisos.

Really? Yeah. All that big, big ride. But what does that mean they held your airlift? When I mean, they hit my head. Motherfucker was coming in there, but their heads busted open in more critical condition than me. And I'm spitting the blood because I got a long shot. I got hit five times in the chest.

Were you able to fight back? Of course. I went back. I went out. I'm a miss. I'm a warrior. You know what I'm saying? I'm going to be able.

I beat the two guys. I didn't know I was getting stabbed until I felt the shortness of breath. And I'm like, these motherfuckers stab because I had took off. Soon when the first one went at me, they came like they was coming to politics and talk. It was over the weight pile. So when he came, his two-arm came towards me. Shout out to my homeboy, 30, my workout partner on. He, GD, for men from Nashville.

He was over to the side. Five of them went over. He got stabbed two times. He was fighting five of them. I were fighting two of them that got me, the shot caller and another little hit man he had with him. They caught me at the vulnerable time. They caught me at lunchtime,

where there many blacks weren't on the yard. Majority of the blacks that was on the yard, they was on the basketball court. We had a problem over the weight pile. You know, they were trying to Saranios. Anybody on time with the Serenio, they tried to claim, they try to get somewhere, and it could be a garbage can.

This is our garbage can. This is our TV, you know. If you let them, they're going to do what they do. I wasn't about that. I'm a Miami boy, you know what I'm saying? I don't, I don't ab here to shock calling. I don't have you. I'm a Miami boy.

You know what I'm saying? I'm going to do what I'm saying? So if you cross me, that's how I went through. I was on man time in the feds. Even though I was part of the Muslim community, even the imam understood. If it comes to me, there ain't no accent or this and that about no situation.

If a man disrespect, you're going to handle that right then and now, and that's how I did all my time. But this particular incident, you asked me, did I fight back? I went out, like,

I went off like a missing link. You know what I'm saying? I had a water cooler that I used to work out with. I broke that cross one of their heads, you know what I'm saying? I'm walling.

And when I finally found out of the, when I'm fighting this one, the other one hit me in the back of the neck, you know, because I was trying to turn this way a little bit. You know what I mean? And then when I turned towards him, that's when the other one that I would fight

hit me in the chest five times. You know what I mean? So when I realized that they're stuck, I'm thinking they throwing blows, but they had little ice picks that I'm telling you about. Balled up in their hand, and they were stabbing me.

And when I felt the short of the bus, it was a baseball bat, laying, you know, because they was getting ready for a softball game. So I'm always aware. When you're doing prison time, like I do, you're aware of everything.

When you hit us, any space, you're looking for a weapon. case anything's up. Now, you always know where weapons are, you know what I'm saying? Especially if you ain't toting a knife on you. I had already spotted that baseball back. That's why when we were having a little difference between them,

we're on the weight power. Y'all don't want this wreck. And be all fairness to you. People could really say it, it takes two Mexicans to meet them or black. Come on, size and scruxia. You know what I'm saying? I'm going to knock me by two or three Mexicans out,

you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? But Mexico ain't fighting no head of fade. No. They don't fight. They got numbers. They move when they moved when it's strategically to their advantage. They didn't want to push off on the weight pile.

Because you got weights there. They waited until I got off the weight pile and they came to me like they was ready to hatch it out in peace. But it was the ambush. You know what I mean? So you're getting ambushed. And I try to run toward that bat. When I try to run toward that bat, I ran into a Paisa or one of the Paisers that was God and so I rent around. And so I ran around because I couldn't get through the gate to get the back.

That's when the blacks, a bunch of GDs and stuff, they was on the basketball court. They seen what's going on? And I'm running toward them. They're like, Miami, what's up? By this time my whole shirt is red, one of the white prison shirts. I'm pouring blood. I'm not, man, I said these fucking had chikos. You know what I call him.

Don't stab me, man. You know what I'm saying? So they were like, no. That's when the whole basketball court started coming towards him. By that time, there were seeing what was going on. you know, you're going to have a bunch of dudes that ain't going to start running off the weight pile, start running off the yard, you know what I'm saying? So that alerted the COs.

Right. So now the deuce is done being hit. Right. You know what I mean? So they come out, they lay everybody down on the yard. I'm bleeding like a motherfucker. They see that I'm injured. So they're taking me to a medicine.

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But you missed, though, because I'm breathing. Breathing, you know what I'm saying? Okay, so then you got taken off the yard. Is that when the retaliation happened? That's when every unit blew up. Okay. Instantly. So the news got back.

The guys that rent off the way, pal took the news to the yard. When they took the youth to the yard, every Mexican on every unit got crushed. Like stabbed and taken off. Stabbed, crushed, took it off. If you want to get confirmation about this, what I'm saying, go to. to my, go to my YouTube channel to what they do, podcast, you will see dudes that participate in the ride, I don't interview

with them. Yeah, we believe you. Yeah, I know, I know, I know, but I know people like the fact check, and I want them to, I want them to. Just remember, in the comments, these aren't like PhD students. Oh, right, right, right, right. So, not that I don't love our haters, I do, they're all welcome. I mean, they're helping the agorism.

Everybody's welcome on the connect. You know what I mean? Right, right. Like, I don't block, I don't comment back. I don't even read them, but they have to have a place to go. Right. Why not here? Right.

So this is wild. Why? Did you just have that much respect or is that kind of retaliation just expected racially when somebody gets ambushed like this? Both of what you just said. First or foremost, when it's a race, it could be the white boys. It could be the dirty, the A-Bs you could be into a wit. When it's a race situation, anybody running up on you?

you're asking you who you're with. Oh, we just end to it with the crypts. Or we just end to it with the GD. It's a race situation. It's black, Mexican, white. Whatever, you know what I'm saying? So in my particular reason, what made everybody so eager and willing to do it, I was on what you call part of a, a part of a coalition of real niggers, real cats

that knew that my paperwork was solid. You see on my arm right there, I got stop snitching. Like, my paperwork is solid. I could see that any table, any prison. I went to, I was able to sit at any table, GD, vice lord. So I were well respected amongst the cars. And they fought SIS up. You know what SIS is.

The investigation. The prison investigation. They were like, I had been on that yard eight years under the radar. No problem. But when they couldn't control the yard, because the yard kept going up. Every time they tried to reopen that yard, it went up because dudes, GDs was crushing GDs, Christmas's cousin, because they didn't go out. Nicky, you're hitting you holding the door.

Because, you know, some people are like, fuck that, that nigga, he ain't part of us. But for the court, nigga, like, it ain't by him. This is a situation. It's a race situation. You see what I'm saying? Existential threat. So that y'all stayed down for about three months.

That was one of the biggest rides of Manchester history. And so you, that's in 2015. That's why, that's the modern era. That's what's so crazy about this. Man, every yard in Kentucky went up. Big Sandy went up, for instance. Lee County and went to be... All of them went up.

And that for different, not because of me, for different reasons. You were hearing and running... Serenios was trying to be forced into that area. That wasn't their hubs. That was a Pisa hub. Right. So, no. So the retaliation caused people to get hurt even worse than you.

And so they had to life flight... They gave my helicopter. the way twice. I've seen a Mexican come in. I'm sitting in medical, spitting in one of them little pans telling the nerve, man. Like, I'm fucking,

I'm fucking, I want to blood. Yeah, I'm spitting up blood. I'm thinking they had already sunk for a helicopter for me. I got airlifted too. But I've seen the Mexican come in. I'm talking about when I'm not exaggerating, his whole half of his head was crushed.

I don't know what the fuck he got hit with. God. But the whole half his head was crushed in. They took, they gave my helicopter to him first. Yeah, he was unconscious. It's like being a black guy in New York in the 90s trying to get.

a cab. They just keep passing you. I got to go to Brooklyn. Right, right. So all of the violence that you experienced in the state and the feds really began as a teenager at the Jit camps in the boys' school. I told you it began before then, I grew up in violence.

I grew up watching rock fights in the Bahamas. I grew up, I told you I seen a dead body when I was like seven years old. Like when you watch Scarface and you see them shoot a bitch down in the middle of them, that's shit was happening in Miami. You know what I'm saying?

When you watch, when you watch the movies and you see the Zopalons, don't ride through and you see these, this shit happened in the Miami. Broad Daylight. We, quote on quote, right, every hood in America calls choppers, was called an AK-47 choppers, right? You go around and ask somebody

what a chopper the other day, they're going to say a stick. That's Miami talk. Future made a song, Stick-talk, stick-to. That's Miami. We was calling them sticks because that's what we was talking around. Many 14s, AK-47,

sticks. You know what I'm saying? So it was going down. Like, like, that would shape my violence. And to be able to make it in Miami, like, that's the first line. That's how, that's the resolution of any problem. You know what I'm saying? You know, you got to get it out because there's money involved. By the way, where are these huge sticks coming from? A, hey, I, back then, you know how you see some states, you see a gun show and they got a gun show, you know it's being, feeling There wasn't no gun shows in Miami. I literally know that for a fact, we would go to the A-Rab stores on the app

and pay $150 for a K. $150 for an AK. For the L-A-K-K-40-Sel, you know what I'm saying? So back then... The A-Rab markets, the corner stores. For the corner stores, man. Shout out to you. I mean, you know, so you can get anything you want, man.

Come on, man. You know what I mean? We're talking about the streets. We're talking about Miami. You're talking about, you know what I mean? You could get what you want. Florida is fucking crazy. Okay, so you do 16 months at Okanovi.

Okachoboichi. And then you come home bad as ever. I came home, 91. Okay. During that time, like I told you, I went in for robbing with guns. When I came out of 91, everybody was robbing, you know, differently. Now, I got a little more smooth. If they called smash, they got a little spar-plud, they're spas and winters,

and they still robbing tourists and stuff. I come home. I really didn't want to come home. Like, the whole, the whole course of my life, I've always been trying to change. I always been trying to, you know, get some money but do the right way. I come home after boys' school.

I'm trying to get me, I got me a little dish-washing job. I'm trying to do right. You know what I mean? I'm watching my home board. This time, you know, polos out, Tommy out. All of the little designers starting to hit this. My homeboys riding, different cars. I'm 17 now.

I'm like, you know what I'm saying? I don't went up the road when I was 15. I don't did. I'm 17. The scree's calling. You know what I mean? And I responded. Back robbing.

End up catching this like 91. I end up going in, beating the robbery, come back out in 92. I catch a robbery and go in. I did from 92 to 96. I did four years. I caught six years. I did four years off it with two years paper.

Over a robbery again. Over another robbery. What are you robbing? Smasher grabs? Tourists. Smash grabs at the time. Okay. So you never.

I'm 17 years old. You never thought about hitting drug dealers? I told you earlier. It's repercussion about hitting people, hitting dope boys. Now, I ain't gonna lie to you, like, you know, if you was weak, you was a sucker, you know what I'm saying? If I see you're out of time, you're coming through the crib, crew. Like, every...

When you're on the streets, you're looking for opportunity. You're looking... It's the jungle. So if you're a fresh kill, you pull up in the hood, and I know that down, you know, we're riding on some deeds. It's like men in society, you know what I mean? I know you ain't from around here

and you're not really from Miami. Yeah, I put that piss on you. I'll take your car. I'll take your jewelry. You know what I'm saying? But for the most part, I'm looking for the easy licks to state, you know, the less conflict,

the less repercussion behind it. Would anybody try to come through out-of-towners? Because the ones that really had the weight are the nerds. The real business-minded drug dealers are not violent people usually. Did you have any out-of-towners try to come into the hood

and set up shop? No, there's ain't no shit. Miami, ain't nobody putting down to Miami. It's hard for Miami niggas to put down

in Miami. So, you know what I mean? Ain't no out of, we, we, we, the cats that go everywhere. The Miami boys are the ones that go

to every city and I don't like to use the word put down. We're welcome in. When you're a real Miami, boy, you bring in work, you bring a game. So you get welcomed

to that city, you know what I'm saying? You get, come on. They ain't putting down. We're coming to work with you. Right. Right. You gotta work with you.

Okay, so damn, so you caught another case. I do four years. I come home, 1996. What was state prison like? Gladiator. Yeah. Wow. The difference between state and feds is in the state,

you're dealing with more, like, like you just said, in the feds, you're dealing with minds, guys that did rent organizations. So it does a little more intelligent, there's a lot of politicking in before shit get to where it go at, you know what I mean? In the state, you're dealing with just everybody. Animals. Animals, you know what I mean?

Low lives. Right. You know what I'm saying? So common criminals. When I was in the state, man, I had started some shit in 96, 95. I got out of, I had went to a prison called Baker Correction. It's in there Jacksonville. I started being from Miami, I got.

me a little crew together, right? And we started robbing for wedding bands. Wedding bands. Wedding bands. We were really robbing for whatever. But when we didn't, we couldn't catch nobody bringing drugs in and make them give up their dope or whatever.

Or we couldn't catch somebody with a big bag of commissary bag that was weak. We know we could get some wedding bands because guys got the wedding bands. Right, because you're allowed to wear that. You're allowed to wear a band. So that's, that's a piece of juries. It's worth something.

So just imagine how hard it is to get a wedding band off a finger. How convincing you got to be. So me and my guys, we would catch a dude. We would catch a dude, oh, you got a wedding band. We get that wind band. We could take it to the weed, man, and get us, you know, get us a couple bags of weed. So you guys were jacking people in prison like you were on the streets. Yeah.

How would you got you guys? The prison is the streets. One of the thing you're missing in prison is your car. You're getting pussy. See your guard's fucking. You know what I'm saying? I know prisons I don't have been to like, like, like you get on the visiting part, you throw the guard a little sudden, you have your partner watch out for you.

It's ways to fuck. That's why I'd be tripping on everybody. They'd be like, oh, niggas is fucking in prison. I mean, you know, it's gay people in the world, so it's gay people in prison. But, you know, a nigga ain't got to be gay in prison. You know what I mean? You got opportunities to fuck. To get prison.

Come on, man. You got dudes in there looking ripped up, bill. He looked great. You know, you got female guards that, they're shaking them with. They're human, too. Yeah. You know, so. Do you ever fucking there?

Come on, man. I done too much time not to have been fucking in prison. Like, you know what I'm saying? I got, you get, you got, I don't have visits, man. My girl comes to visiting park, man. We are up in the gazebo. Everybody fucking under gazebo. My girl turned his weight.

See, his girl turned that way. We come out there with a little razor. Tell your girl where the cheap on spandex pants. Right. Cut the hole in the sand. that pants and we're going in front of the back right there. You know, send the kids down to the La Pard or the playground. Y'all go down there and play. Yeah. Oh, yeah. God, I didn't really do my time well when I was in there. No fucking, no weed, no fun. So you guys would like,

would you guys find a Vic, somebody that had a wedding band on? And would you just catch him in the catch them in the blind area, you know what I mean? And then you, what happened? Just surround them. Back in the 90s, one cameras everywhere in prison. State joint really don't have any cameras. I don't know how it is nine. But when I was going, You catch the dude slimming. You catch them come out. Wait until you go sit on the shit jacket. Yeah.

Come in there with your pants. I mean, that's why there's certain ways the shit in the joint. When I shit, I take all my clothes out. I ain't finished. Because you ain't going to catch me with my pants down. I'll fight your butt-ass-haired naked. Dick swang and everything. I'm going to fuck.

You shit naked. I shit naked. So you run in there and just tell the guy, hey, I'm going to need that. I don't tell the guy. I just told you, right, how hard it is. So you got to be convincing. I'm coming in poking you. Hitching your leg.

Hitching you, like you just asked me earlier, do I know where to stab a motherfucker without kill him, yeah. Hitching your arm, hitting your big, I hit you with the meaty part of your body. Right. You know, that's convincing.

Yeah. I'm not playing. All right. You know what I'm going to help you get that motherfucker all. I got time. I'm not going to sit down. If I got a snap, if I got to snap the whole finger,

that one's coming off. It got so bad, too. We were going to the same weed guy, right, with the way. He was like, man, my wife, my wife can't melt that minute. Because they were taking the melt. and down and shit.

He was so scared that he was just, when times when he didn't want to, man, he'd give us some weed. Right. You know, sad that we can come, we want some weed, man. I'm running with Miami, little wild Miami dudes.

We waved from home. We ain't got shit to lose. We ain't getting no visits. Yeah. We were a near Jacksonville. Yeah. So you would, north that I go to wild out I got.

So you would jack a weed man if you needed to. I'm looking for, I really go, that's the first source. And we found a soft dude we could sit a, mob or somebody that ain't really like that how they're carrying themselves

and he just happened to be getting visits and he happened to bring him some shit in and we get the tip that he bring the shit in oh yeah fuck the wedding bands you go take the whole dope and take the bomb did you do hole shots do you ever go to the hole I did see him time I did

it's coast management time I've been behind the door 12 years I mean 12 months at a time I'm gonna excuse me not 12 year but 12 months see them see them At this time, too, like in the state? In the state. Okay. So you didn't get away with everything all the time.

No. That particular ring that we was doing, the captain called me and my crew, you know, people are going to snitch. Yeah. Like I told you, prison is just like the streets. Yeah. People are, oh, so the captain called us in the office of the captain room. They, he was doing recall.

And he had to talk with it like, I want all those badmings back. I'm like, Kat, what you're talking about? You know what I mean? Well, in quarter, I would actually got sunk transfer from that particular prison I'm telling you about for robbing a guy that was selling weed on the weight pile. You know what I mean? He was selling weed. We peaked him.

He was doing buying weed from it. Me and my guys ran up on the while. He was on the squat rack. So I told McGaill, like, wait until he put the weight on the back. When he got the weight of the bag. That ain't fair, bro. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Polked him up a couple times.

Shout out of my homeboy, Gunja. That was me and Gunja and two more of my guy. We ended up getting trained for it. Because a lot of these muscle-bound ass, strong cats running off the weight pile. Yeah. The COD them was out there near the softball area where they had flag football or something going on and seeing the commotion there on the weight pile. They hit the deuce.

So you get transferred out, but you got out with Good Time, which is wild. You got a six-year sentence, but you got out in four. When I – the reason I got out in Good Time, I finally ready to come home. They sent me to a prison called Century up to North Florida was actually one of the last prison in Florida. And I got there. Century was so wild at the time you didn't have to work. You know what I'm saying?

You really just, they were sending all the misfits there. So you just would go sign your name in the morning time for inside ground and go back to the unit. And I said, man, you know, I'm ready to get the fuck out of you. Because it's too violent. So they were just like, you guys don't even have to, we don't even want to let you out of yourselves. No, they let us out of sell.

It was just that it was just so wild of an institution. They didn't care if you work or not. Only people that work with motherfuckers that were trying to make some money, like the laundry man and the people working food service. Just enough work being done to keep the prison running. But if you didn't want to work, you sign up for inside ground. And you go on this. Only part about it you had to stand a long line every morning

just make sure you sign in. So I got to a spot. I'm way buck two floor of shit. Right, right. You know what I mean? Yeah. I ended up wearing a few days, a good time. Yeah.

Got out of earlier. So you came home. It's 96. June of 96. I'm back in December 96. Oh, my God. Violation? Or you caught another case?

I violated as soon as I came home. I had two years of paper. I never checked in. I never went to the P.O. I mean, never went to him. You're really just not giving a fuck right now. I'm really chasing a bag. I'm really, you know what I'm saying?

I'm really fucked up in the head. I'm really institutionalized. You know what I'm saying? And what about your parents and your father? I mean, have they abandoned you? Have you let them go? Man, listen, my dad, like I told him, a product over here around era. My dad, shot my dad, pig, a little real street guy.

He had already passed. I lost my dad when I was like 15. Was he an addict? I hate to use that word about him. He was hooked on dog. I guess you said you're at it, yeah. Yeah, I didn't want to call him a junkie. No, I mean, no, I mean, my dad is, my dad was Marine.

Okay. You know what I'm saying? Vietnam fucked a lot of soldiers up, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Sawed out the pig, man. You know, I love him to death, you know what I'm talking about? But my, my daddy wasn't in my life like that. The screech raised me.

My mom was a single mom, you know what I'm saying? Working jobs. You can't control no, dude. No, no. Okay. So you caught a case you went back in December 96. How long this time? I did seven years mandatory.

I went in 96, got out 2003. Over a robbery again? Over a net of robbery. Again, robin' tourists? What is this? What happened this time? I jacked the guy

coming out of the hotel. I didn't know if the tourists or not. The guys that I were with, right? They had a Chevy that needed some fucking work done on it. You know what I mean? We all got roped off, and I took the charge.

Because I was the one jumped out and did it. At gunpoint? No, not a gun point. He had a tote bag coming out of the hotel. Damn, and now your rap sheet is fucking just bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, long as a motherfucker. Although I'm shocked, like for Florida, it's actually not that much time compared to, like, a honky state,

like where I'm from Oregon, like, you probably would have been struck out by at this time. You know what I mean? Or California, you'd be doing 25 with an L. Yeah, three strikes a law, y'all. Florida fucked up now. Like, back, but back then, Florida was sweet. We had CRD, which was on conditional release. You get five years and go do five months.

That before Jed Bush came from Texas and took over as governor. Right. And it took up to 85% like the feds. Right. So it really set me up. You know what I mean? Like you said, all those prison sentences were short.

Yeah. You know, you look at it, they, they, they, they, four years and you go back and do seven, they was under 10. And when you start, when I went to the feds, you realize 10 years is short sentence in feds. That's right. That's right. Okay.

So now this, this final state stretch before you go down and go do Fed time, what was that like? How was that different than the first one? Because now you're a little older. I'm still fucked up. I'm mad on that. Uh-huh. I'm mad and disappointed in myself. Right.

I'm in the county. I'm in the county for two years. I'm in the county from 96 to 98 fighting this robbery charge. At this particular time, the little six months that I was out in 96, me and my home board them started a spot called McAvelli.

You know what I'm saying? On 6-0, no I mean, that's that was named my eye's pot. Shout out to Bow, shout out the Fred Ward, shout out to my homeboy. And we started McAvelli, right? Like a trap spot?

A trap spot. Okay. You know what I'm saying? Weed based in Lois. You know what I mean? That's coke, powder. You know what I'm saying? And weed, right?

Yep. I mean, rocks powder and wood. weed, weed base and lace. Why didn't you stick with drug dealing? Why didn't you try to become a better drug dealer instead of just jacking everyone? At this particular time, I'm not, I'm not, I'm one of, I never consider myself with you.

I was a hustler. So when you look at a hustle, you come up to me and sudden, like my home board, the ones I told you picked me up in this regular ass Chevy. They came and got me. You see what I'm saying? I was on the block. I was Bill and McAvelli with my homeboys, but you come tell me, let's go spend the block.

let's go look for something. I'm not turning no money down. We were just starting the bill McAvela at the time. You know what I'm saying? So it's really not doing as well as we wanted it to. It's like doing like $1,500 a shift. You know what I'm saying? But it's growing.

But as soon as I got locked up, the motherfuckers are doing like 10 a night. 10 Gs a night. You know what I'm saying? Type shit. You know what I'm saying? Because that's how it takes a minute for... For the spot to grow.

To grow. You know what I'm saying. Feans got to know that's where they got to go to get it. You know. You know, the product got to be $1,000, because you're competing with all kind of other drug spots. You see what I'm saying? So we built it and before, like I may not, but six months.

We just started McAvelli, you know what I'm saying? It's a lot of us eating off the same line. There ain't enough money for me to just be round out. I'm really waiting on my older brother that's up the road getting money, you know what I'm saying, in Tennessee to come get me. You know what I'm saying? So I could go out the road and get some of that good money. that ended up happening after I got out

seven years. Okay, cool. So we'll get to that. Right, because that was the move, right? Now it's the late 90s. It's so flooded in Miami. The move was to, like the New Yorkers, go out of town. It always been the move from Miami. I was telling you, I don't watch dudes used to be security guards. I don't watch dudes be meter readers.

Like, like, like, like, like, go round your house, work for Florida power and light. I don't watch them become big dope boys because they stumbled up on a multi-million-dollar crack house doing money and coke in there. I don't watch dudes be security guard on the beach working for the hotel and keep,

you know what I mean, float up off the sea and now he's in the dope game. Now he's in the game. I don't watch guys work for a sky, sky cap in the airport. You know what I'm saying? dudes that work for the packages, they don't charted a drug ring in there.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that was like the Florida, that was like the hood lottery ticket back of the day. Yeah. You stumble on some, a dude that got killed and there's three keys right there. Well, I'm not a meter man. I'm not writing parking tickets anymore.

I got family in Alabama. I got family in South Carolina. Look, Cubs got this. Now you're in the drug game. Right. So your brother was in Tennessee at the time? My brother was in Tennessee. There's a lot of money in Tennessee.

Plenty money in Tennessee. Everything 20 up. Ain't no $5 spots. Ain't no $3 spots. Right. You're dealing with white clienteer and that. Out of severe. Out of out of Johnson City.

You know what I'm in Knoxville. You know what I'm saying? So, so I end up to catch my fed case in Knoxville. But your time, your time preference, in economics, they call it having a high time preference, meaning you need it now. Like your vision of the future is like today. Whereas having a low time preference, you're like, okay, I'll spend a year building this spot up. Right. You know what I mean?

Yeah, I wasn't patient enough. Dope game is a patient game. For sure. If you're going to do it right. You know what I mean? If you're going to do it right, let somebody just hand you 300 keys

and you just one flip, you don't make, you do, dude's bill from a four and a half, four ounces and a half to a six, to nine ounces to a half a brick. I end up doing that later in the game. Right.

I was tired of going in and out of prayer. I'm like, you know what I'm saying? But you asked me, how was the second seven years? It was more violent. That's why I end up going on CM. on that seven-year

scratch right there. I'm in the county jail knocking niggas out, left and right. I'm mad. I'm very mad. You know what I mean? You know what I'm saying? I'm upset with myself

because I'm like, why did you go do this and y'all billing over here? I'm looking, I'm calling the streets. My homeboys, them eating. They got escalades now. They got Suburbans and they, you know what I mean?

They're riding all kind of brones. And I'm like, damn, you don't do it again. I fucked up again. But, I actually missed the biggest indictments being out the loop. My home was serving life sentence behind that era right, though. So the most high had his hand on me then. Right.

Wow. Prison saved me a lot. Interesting. So what is CM? CM is close management. And how did that? If you're in Florida, you know what CM is. That's locked.

That's a prison inside a prison. Right. That's, some people say 23 and 1. And CM, we weren't getting no 23 and 1. You come out three times a week. So there are days you got 24 and none. You come out. Every shower day, that's when you come out.

Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. And that's it. That's it. You're on lockdown. What happened to catch that punishment? I had a ride. I set a ride off in 1998. I set a ride off at Madison Correction.

With some Spanish dudes again, y'all are like, boy, he don't like Spanish people. No, but that ain't what it is. It was. One of my home boys. was sitting on the Spanish dude bed at Madison Correction one of my holder home boys shout out the Tony Session

he had gave me the yard meaning that he's the OG, the biggest OG there, he had a situation where he had a CEO bringing him some work in, he's fighting his law case, so he's like, gee, you know, you got the homies. So all of the young homies was following me.

You know what I mean? So when the news got to me that the homie junkie out of Scott projects some Chicoes tried them in the unit you know what I'm saying they were going to do something to him I had to make a call like we can't let we can't put up

we can't allow that because they're gonna think you know we're something to play with right so I green lighted it we all went on the wreck yard I went up to the Chico that he was kind of big or essay or whatever I went up to him like hey what's up with the problem with my homeboy

at this particular time he's sizing me up He's aggressive. Oh, he sat on my bone like a no-go. And I'm like, y'all ain't from to touch him, though. Oh, yeah. Once I seen that, he wasn't with the politics. I set it off. Me and him were standing by the horseshoe pit.

I actually went out there trying to politic it out. But when he was still aggressive, I ain't have no choice but to really set it off. And they was already ready. So when he, when he, when he, when he, when my home boy seen me, went to set it off, he up. He had a little bang on, but he had something, he had like a fat knife. It was like, made like a piece of metal that was saved like more like a long-o blade metal. So it was more like a machete type, a little short window. And he, he nipped me.

I weaved and he nipped me on my butt with it. And I dodged down to the horseshoe pit and I grabbed the horseshoes. And I started, you know, I tried to grab them like Brad's knuckle. at the time, you know, and I'm weaving. I box a little bit too, you know what I mean? So I'm weaving. I'm putting the work in with him with the horseshoes. A bunch of little fights done took off around

because, you know, his group and my homeboys, they fight. Shout out the big jit out of Hollywood. He went in. My cousin, Pookie Black, he was on the yard. Pookie went out. The guy that we was out there defending, he rent on us. And a whole bunch of other guys rent off the rec yard.

They locked the gate. They up the little guns out the tower. We all laid down. They got us to lay down because they know Florida, they're going to bust for real with them. Did you touch the dude with the horseshoes? Yeah, I'm fine. I'm thumping, man.

I'm going to, he caught me with the, he ain't no boss, and we bump, you know what I'm saying? But he fell over because we're near the horseshoe pit. And when I caught him with a blow with a hook, that's my fate. No, I'm going to, you know what I mean? So when I caught him with the little hook, he slipped into the horseshoe pit.

And, you know, I got down there on them. So I'm focusing on me and him fighting, you know what I mean? And all the other little fights going on. That's when the COs or the officers that worked on the yard, they click, they, when the deuce is hit, they're going to rush the area. And we all went to see him. We all got a lot of all when us went to the hole that was left on the yard. The guy who we actually went out there for, he didn't go to see him.

So I ended up catching 24 months on CM. Wow. I ended up doing like, I got off early for the last six months of it. I got off early because I stayed off the dough, stayed out the way. Yeah. It got off. 18 months, though. 18 months, basically getting out of yourself to shower.

Three times a week. And that's it. That's it. Shout out. I did CM time at telecorrection. I was there with my home boy body, big black from down south and my home boy Gator. All of them was on seeing with me. Now, did you start educating yourself with that time?

in the hole? The seven years wasn't no education. Okay. The only thing that I really got good at I started reading books. Okay.

Well, that's educating yourself. But I would read like cowboy books and shit. Donnie Goins and shit, but I feel in love with reading, though. You got to start somewhere. I felt in love to read. I read many a Donald Going,

you know, hood book while I was down. I love those things, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like watching the movie in that sale. For sure, for sure. So you got home, what year? I did seven years.

I went in in 96. I got out 2003. Okay. And your brother's still hustling? My brother's still a man. He's still on the street. My brother's still the man. Wow.

So he's having a long run. My brother's smart. Okay. My brother's smart. He's smart. He's smart. And if I had to listen to him, I would have never caught my fhead charge. Okay.

So you're, that's interesting. So your brother's kind of the smarter, business-minded one, and you're the wild, one. Right. So you came home, you parole back to Miami? I wasn't on, I did seven mandatory. Oh, meaning you have no tail? I ain't got no papers. Oh, wow. The first time my life, I'm free with no attachment. Yeah, seriously. I had a driver license and all. You couldn't tell me shit. No, no, because you haven't been free since you were 15. Man, listen, I got married. I thought I was the Hux, but I thought I had done with legit. I'm legit. I'm not robbing nobody. Right, right. Shit, I'm legit like a mud for you. To a hood cat. Yeah.

Just not robbing means you're legit. Yeah. You're selling doughs still. You know what I'm coming out to everybody, but from where I come from. For sure. You know what I'm saying? Like you feel more, you know, I'm hustling. I'm trying to get a business and everything.

I even started a little business from the door. I was trying to go the route that I spoke about earlier about my home boys that taught us the game the right way. Right. You know what I'm trying to get a little business. I'm trying to do everything. So when did you decide to go into business with your brother? I didn't actually go in the business

but he something for me he was like he was tired of me getting locked up he was like he called me like boy you want a stack or you want a half a stack I say shit by this time the language had done change too I didn't know what a stack was when I went to prison

a G was a thousand bucks so he had called me I had came home for prison and he was like boy I got a stack for you or you want a half a stack I said shit I want a stack he said get on the Greyhound I got on the Graham. I had a starter jacket, a backpack. I had shit, and I caught a bus up in Knoxville, Tennessee.

Wow. My brother, my brother gave me my first little jump off. What's a stack? A stack? That was just a thousand dollars. But that was his word of telling me, seeing what my mind was. You know what I mean? He gave me way more than that. He put me in the game, you know what I mean? But I ended eventually breaking off, not listening to him and started getting my own money. Is he selling hair on or Coke? No. My brother was, my brother was, um, yeah. He had a Coke. He's selling Coke. Okay.

Wholesale or is he cooking it up? My brother was selling wholesale. He was selling house. He was selling, but he was doing his strategically. What I mean by there, my brother might come out one time a day. When he's time to go pick his kids up, he's see everybody he's going on, all the little sales or whatever he got going on. Everybody he pulled his cell. Everybody he pulled the breakdown, whatever, he'll come, including me.

He'll come around and all of us to get straight. And he's going on in. He was he was he won with all the fancy cars He come through in the suburban with his UM tag Yeah, and that's what that I don't want I don't want got fancy Did he have a good connect for his coke? Yeah, he had one of the main ones

I don't want to mention his his connect Because he's still trying to fight He's still trying to fight to come home right now Is this a Mexican connect or is it a Miami guy This this this this this I'm just gonna put it like this here This one of the homie one the Chico home boy Okay. So he's a Chico. He's a Spanish guy, but from Florida. From Miami. Okay. So your brother had bricks. He had whole things. My brother had whole things. Okay. And he was, and they know who my brother is.

My brother, Ace, man, one of booey partners out of Carras City. So he's making a lot of money. He's doing well for himself. So you start off just going hand-to-hand with fiends? I start off. That's what I did. He put me in the projects. He put me with a female. I'm start, you know, I'm doing, I'm doing the zips. I'm doing the ounces. I'm doing the four and a halfs. I'm doing that, you know what I mean? I'm doing well. Then, me, I'm seeing well, I could break down and do the juggler game up here, too. Because they sell the number 20s. I got the dime's out here, too.

So I'm doing a little more than what he expects. I'm not just selling weight. You know what I mean? I'm breaking me zips down too, and I'm rocking them down too. Right. So you're undercutting. I'm undercutting the little local dudes in the project because they ain't got to work that thing that I got. I'm up here. I'm like the immigrant that just came across the water.

I'm hungry. You know what I mean? So, now, y'all don't want to be open all night. Y'all want to go to the club. I get out there, there ain't nothing too small for me. I'm taking all of them. I ain't leaving nothing on the table. You know what I mean?

Yeah, so you're taking all the clients. I'm not taking all the clients. I'm feeling avoiding the gap. They ain't the club. I got jugglers out here. And then it got so popular to, like, the guys and the projects around. I'm talking about a Lonsdale project in Knoxville, Tennessee,

they start, they start, wanting them jugglers. Which are, they want the crack. They want my dimes. Right, so they can break it up. My dimes versus making the 20s. Right. Because I'm making my dimes

as big as they're 20s up there. So now the fiends could come, you know what I mean? Because I got more weight. Mm-hmm. Then the dyes that bind the weight from me. Wow, that is a crazy micro-trafficking. It's called now.

It's smart. It's smart. It's always fulfilling the need, man. I'm not leaving. I'm not, if that's all, I come up from Miami where we got three-cent holes, four-cent holes. What I mean by that there is,

even in Miami, when the guy got the five-cent hole, if you got five cents, which is $5, I'm going to make my spot a $4-dollar hole or a $3 hole because in that I'm going to make the baser or the smoker or the junker

whatever language y'all want to call them. I'm going to make them realize that, boy, you can come by, it may be a little smaller than the five cent but it's gonna be potent but you're gonna, you're gonna, you're gonna come by for me and you can maybe go to an ARAP store

and get you a beer and some loose cigarettes. Right. You see what I'm gonna do that so much to where all the clientele coming to me. To now, I'm making my three-cent jugglers

look as big as your five-cent jugglers because I don't suck in all the money because it's the business strategy. Right. I don't see dudes say, okay, you want to sell a dime pile I'm going to make five cent pooches. Pooches?

Pootes. That's a poochers. Five dollar hit. You know what I'm saying? For just the guy that want to pack a cigarette. He just want to pack what we call raw squares. That's a cigarette or we call him AKs. So now a dude might not have $10, but he want to fix him a raw squirrel.

So shout out the fat boy that started a pooch game in Miami at Tiny's Bar. So you took that and you brought it to Knoxville. I brought it to Knoxville. So basically whatever, whatever the. client wanted to sell, you could accommodate it. I'm not letting no money go. Why let that, why let that seven dollars go because he ain't got 10? Bring, bring all that. I'm, I'm going to cut it down. I'm going to cut it down. I'm going to make the size for you. Right. So how much, how much can you push doing that like every week? Can you move a quarter of a key? Man, listen. Listen, in Knoxville

is, you had niggas from New York hustling. You had niggas from Memphis hustling. You had niggas from Miami hustling. You had niggas from Chicago hussie. It's numerous amount of money in Knoxville, Tennessee. You know what I'm saying? They call Knoxville, Knoxville. They call Chattanooga, Cajville. They call Chattanooga. They called Nassville, Cattanooga.

They called Nashville, Caspville. You know what I'm saying? Tennessee is... Teneke. Teneke. How did you grow it? How did you grow it? Did you start picking up more product from your brother?

I braced off from my brother. Okay. I wasn't listening to my brother. And that's how I ended up ultimately catching my fed bed. I started going back to Miami on my own. Right. Plugging in because I didn't want to listen to him. I started getting too fancy.

I was getting money, seeing money. Now I want to get all the cars with the rims on it. I got the El Camino with the 22 deuces on all black. I got the Durango with the, no, I'm getting loud. I'm going against what we're trained to do. You're in somebody else's town. You'd be as quiet as kept. I got the road, gold jury around.

I'm hood rich. Yeah. You know what I mean? I'm hood rich. Basically, I'm, you know what I mean? What is hood rich? Like a hundred thousand?

No. I had, I, at my highest, and I know everybody in the comment, oh that I had a quarter million dollars to myself. Yeah. Right there in the safe, you know what I'm saying?

At my highest. Yeah. You know what I mean? But if you add all the assets that I got with me, I'm about about a meal. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Because I got my jury.

I got, like I told you, I got my different calls. I got a Chrysler. This is 03. I got the Chrysler 300. I got the can of apple red derango. I got the black El Camino with the 22N original on it, all black, you know what I mean?

I got my Monte Carlo with the D's on it, you know what I mean, all chrome Ds on it. You know what I mean? That's hood rich. Like, I am not one for nothing. Ghetto is a motherfucker. You remember the crisis 300? Back then, that was a hot car.

No, no, listen, it was the hood rife. Yes, it was. It was a hood staple. If you were getting any kind of money, you had to have that car, the Chrysler 300. I wasn't a big mission, though. I wasn't up, but I was hood rich. Right, right. For my love, you know, for my love, see, that's why I'm trying to tell you, like, when you're a Miami boy,

every city you hit, you're that man. Why? Because you got the reputation. I got the plug. Right. It ain't about the reputation. I got the plug. You see what I'm saying?

I got the prices for the, before, before BML. Meek's them took over around the round of 2000 right you had to come to Miami to get that 175 or that or that 15 for the britt right but when meets them meets them actually know what I'm saying and it's quote is on record they ain't drosh snitching on me he don't win in time for the BMF turned that thing around in Atlanta I stopped running all the way down the motherfucking Miami know I'm saying because I got to go past Atlanta to get to Miami only thing I was running to Miami for at this time nine is we had the best ex peels in the world. Ah, okay.

Talk about that a little bit because this is the ecstasy era, the early 2000s. That's why I told you I'm a hustler. When you look at my indictment, I got pills, guns, fake money, you know what I'm saying, and Coke. You know what I'm saying? I got an eight-count indictment. I end up getting 20, I only get 21, 21 years and 10 months, which is 62, 260. two months.

And that was in 2006? Yeah, 2006. Okay, so who was your new connect in Atlanta? My new connect in Atlanta? Yeah. I had a homeboy. He wasn't so much of a connect. He just knew somebody that was fooling with me at the time.

I had a homeboy named Jimmy that I grew up with, and he would get more on white in my... He would just go get you a bird or two. How much were you picking up? It wasn't a bird or two. I scratched my money out. You know what I mean? I scrapped a lot of people in the comments.

in last time and last thing. Oh, he wasn't moving nothing. No, I wasn't, I wasn't, quote-on-quote. Like I told him, I'll hold up. I'll stop and get me a half a brick right there because it's quicker to run. Or I don't bought a brick at one time right there, certain different times, because it was quicker to run to Atlanta three hours away from Knoxville. Right. Then running all the way back to Miami. But I wouldn't, I wouldn't go all the way back to Miami until I had to go get me some peels. I see. So, yeah, I mean, half a, half a kilo is still a lot of work. And you're breaking it down, like.

You know what I mean? I could get it within three hours back, you know what I'm saying? And I went, I don't win a few times. I got a brick. How much were you paying on, yeah, say a whole brick? Show us the profit margins from picking up wholesale in Atlanta. And then what do you sell that brick for in Knoxville? I know my home were putting the tab on me.

So I wasn't getting the 17, 5. I'm getting 19 right there, 21. Is it a good product, though? It's solid. It's that shit. I'm paying 21. I'm paying 20. You know what I'm saying?

my home boy putting his little thing on it because I don't want to meet your people's. I just want to grab. So shout out my homeboy Jimmy. But I will do that only when it was a necessary I don't rent out. You feel what I'm saying? But when I need my peels,

which was my real money maker, I'm going to Miami and I'm spending $5,000, you know what I'm saying, and I'm getting me a thousand pills. You see what I'm saying? So that's like, that's $5 a pill. You know what I'm saying?

I come back. at Knoxville, these peels is $20 a pill. You do the math now. You know what I'm saying? So I didn't really kill that. Like, if my, my, everything's selling in my, everything's selling from weed. You got, you got, you got the dudes that's selling the coat, they're buying the weed. You know what I'm saying?

It's just, it's an ecosystem of everything around. And if you're controlling all that and you always got, son, you're a hustler. So you were making more money selling ecstasy. I mean, all right. I mean, that's, you know what I would do? That's 400% profit. You know what I would do? I would sell my ex, I would sell them in like in packs.

You want, you want, now I'm telling him I'm paying $5 out of the pill. You want to come by 10 pills, give me $150. You see what I'm saying? I would do that so they could go and make them some money in the club. You know what I'm saying? So I would do that for them, you know, give me $150. He'll go 10 pills. You know what I'm saying?

People come to me, they buying them all on the one weekend, Fridays, club nights, Friday, I sell three, 400 pills. Yeah. Easily. Now when that run out, when them five, when them five thousand pills gone, I'm back on the road.

Yeah. Now, if I'm back on the road, ain't no sense of me stopping in Atlanta. You know what I'm saying? And getting no coat. I'm just going to get all my weight and everything one-stop shopping in Miami.

And so you just drove it back yourself? No, I had, I had, I had, one thing I perfected. I never got caught trafficking. Okay.

I never got, you know why? Hmm. I always learned that it's a gimmick when you be on that road. When you be on that road, you have to have a reason because them state troopers,

and then you have to learn the route. You got to learn the hot spots. And I knew that road. But what I did was something genius, man. I give myself kudos to that, right? I will always rent the rangos, right? Because it had the suitcase rack on the top, right? And them suitcase racks,

you got the, you got the, each one of them suitcase, you get a star wrench, and it's a cone. It's a cone. When you pull it up, it's like a, when you pull it up, it's like a cone that you could put, you duct tape wrap, you could compress your blow.

You could put nine ounces and some peels in each one of them cones. You see what I'm saying? You know what I'm talking about, right? The suitcase rack where you put the clothes there. So I always was thinking like, you know, have it on the roof, right? So the dogs can't get up there.

Then I just love to be riding in rainy weather. I try to do that. much as possible. Make sure, you know, I check the weather if it's going to be raining real hard. I catch a rainy weather, a storm coming. I'm getting on the road. You know what I'm saying?

Then I did the most genius part. I had two crack addicts from Knoxville, Amos and Jill. Shout out to Amos, man. He's gone now, rest in peace, good white dude. He got hooked on crack, right? Because of Jill, which was his girlfriend, wife or whatever,

she was an ex-prostitute. She took this man, which was a good white dude, one of my best friends, man, one of my guys. She took this man, he had a legitimate painting company, car detail painting company. She got him hooked on crap, and he was a pawn in her life ever since. They used to buy from me. And like I told you, the clientele in Knoxville was white. So I would get on the road in that derango.

I would lay the seat back in the back, and I would put them too older people in the the front, Amos and Gilles. And they would ride me 16 hours to Miami and 16 hours back. When I get to Miami, I put them on Biscayne Boulevard, set them in the hotel room and give them that motherfucking straight drop. Yep.

If I come back, Amos and that bitch right, like, because they used to that whip dope up there in Knoxville. But when you get to Miami, none of the dope whip. So you guys never got pulled over, never got popped? Never got popped. Never got popped. My mistake was laid on down line. So yeah, how did you catch so much time? What happened?

Well, like I told you, I never got caught trafficking. What happened was that I told you in my indictment, I got an eight-count indictment. I had some fake money in now. Now, I kicked myself in the ass. One of the trips down to Miami, I let one of my home boys, I was copping a half brick from him. And I was trying to go get some pills. He walked in the room as we put him the shit together. He had some fake money. He was like, boy, look at these right here. He wanted $300,000. I'm getting money.

But my biggest downfall is I can't turn a hustle down. You see what I'm saying? And I'm looking to myself and I'm saying, what I can do with it? But the money, look, he told me to pull out a 50 and I pulled out of a 50. But that's when you remember when the 50s first came out when they were pink.

Yes. Like pink 50s? He pulled out the 50. And then One of them was pink. I pulled out of, you know, a fit that I had. And I'm looking at them, like, do you can't tell this? Only thing, they had the same serial numbers, all the bills had the same serial number. And I'm looking, I'm like, so I was like, fuck it, man. You know what I'm saying?

Give me, $3,000 of them. Again, $900. Took me $3,000. At this particular time, like I told you, I had thought I got legit. I had my wife with me. I am not going to name her, but she's my co-defendant. I had her with me. and she wanted to do everything she see me do.

She bought 3,000 of it. We bunny and Clyde, now. So she gave them $900. So now we got $6,000 of fake money that we did. They were counterfeit money, 50s. That we didn't need. We were dead to buy dope and pills. So I brought it back to Knoxville.

And me, I was having fun with the money. Because it was just play. The young guys were coming to me buying the four and a half, coming to me buying ounces, and when they give me the money and I'll give them a change, I'll slip a 50 in there. Bad karma. But let me say what happened.

The same young guys would come back to me not knowing, and when they re-en-up, they're giving me some of the money back. I can't say that. I can't say that. They're going to buy it. Because I'm the one pushing the shit out in the streets. Right. Right.

So I'm like, I end up buying a, few pounds of weed from a guy and worked some of the 50s all. So I got rid of my 50s the right way. My damn wife, she's going into the malls. Knoxville, only got two malls at the time, Westtown and East Town Mall. She's going into dealers and she's working the fake 50s. She was getting away with it. It's how good the money were looking.

But once it ran through their system, you know, learning this later on after we fighting the case, Because it's actually in our discovery that they said that they had noticed that fake 50s were being worked through. So they zeroed in on the counters and played the camera back and they had a picture of a hug. I see. Right? And the same serial number on all of them. So there's no one we're the ones that's pushing it. So this particular is December of 2005, I mean, 2005.

It was the Christmas holiday. The day out of my stomach was feeling bad. like man, she said, come ride to me with the mall. I had like $16, $1,500 of a pocket. I had some drugs on me and I had a gun. So we jumped in. I had brought her this Montereo sport. So we jumped into Montreal.

I didn't want to go like, you son is telling me like, but I'm my thumb of her and I went to with the mall with her and we end up going to East Town Mall. And as we was in the mall, I was, you know, going to my favorite designer park, polo.

I'm over there looking at some polo shit. We had these next-tale phones and my phone wrong and I'm looking at the phone I'm like, what the fuck she called me for? I could see her right here she's in another department returning something

where there's these two will beat white guys with her right and they started walking towards me with her in the middle. Now my wife at this time he's to wear those heels like six inches. She loved her heels.

So, and I got the gun and I got drugs in the Montreal Sport in the parking lot. So when they walk up to me, they were like, excuse me, sir, you know this lady, you're with her? I'm looking at her face looking all like crazy and shit. And I'm like to myself, like, yeah, what's going on? And like, we need to discuss some money. Will you come with us?

My first mind is like, hell no, take off. You know what I'm saying? But I'm looked down at her heels and it's my wife. I'm like, I can't leave or know what I'm saying. So let me see. I know I ain't did shit. So I walked with her I walked with them

when we went to the back of the mall and they that's when they explained that you know so I pulled them on money I'm a pocket like shit I ain't got no fake money look at my money you know what I'm saying

so they they accused me and her from using fake money where I fucked up it was I'm like I can't run because they got us in this is a lot and once you go in that it's like a police station part of the mall so I'm like

I know we're going to jail and I'm thinking like why I'm going to jail. I ain't did shit. I ain't past shit. So when the police actually Knoxville police came, I asked them,

can I make a phone call? Because I didn't want them to go to the truck with a gun and shit. I didn't want them to know that we drove here. So I'm saying like, can I make a phone call because we just left the house and we, you know what I mean, we didn't notify nobody.

We got kids at the house. And he was like, yeah, sure. So I called her mother-in-law. I called my mother-in-law, which is her mother, and I would say, hey, Nana, me and Lou, I almost said her name, but me and my wife at the time, me and her, for him get locked up, I tell you about it, I need for you to go up. And I told her where I had one of the little lockboxes where I keep my money at. It's one of them to pull down at it. It was right there. So I'm telling them I need for you to grab some money and make bond for us.

And I'll tell you about it, they took that phone call. and went, we went to jail. It's December 24th. No, September 23rd, the day of Christmas Eve, they got a warrant from a judge, went to his house or whatever, and got a search warrant for our house saying that they took that phone call

as probable calls that I was telling none of the high, counterfeit making... You get what I'm saying? Yeah. Contraband. band. So, um, they rushed the house. I had guns, drugs in the house, ex-pills. And that's the beginning of my fed. Then I, mind you, I say this 04, right? This 0, 05. I, they didn't go fair right away. They rushed the house. They found all this shit. Um,

we didn't go fared, but the fair's looking at us not. Right. Because of the drugs, the guns, shit like that. We both bonded out. Right. Um, I end up catching, I'm out fighting this case and I end up getting court up at a little spot where I served some of the little young cat said near near off Cherry Street right there in East Knoxville. I jumped out on the police and left a gun and drugs in my car. So now they got this 04 case pending and they got a new drug and gun case and you know back then the feds was indicting anything. So they took both of them. That's how I ended up getting an eight count indictment. You know what I'm saying? How much product did they get?

How much work? In the house, they found, I don't know how many ex-pills. You got me thinking too hard. I don't know how many ex-per. They found X amount of X-pills in the house. They found some actual steel, some counterfeit money. They found more guns than anything. I was damn-near gun collector.

They found a 45. They found a 10-millimeter. The 10-millimeter, they found that inside the truck, that day of the second charge. They found a couple of little 25s, a little pretty pearl 25 that I got for her. I had a Winchester. I had a, I said a four or five.

They found nine. They found maybe a few ounces of dope because I probably was at the end of everything. And they didn't find no money because Nana had done move to money in my safe, my lot box. She couldn't get it open. She took it to, which is my ex-werex.

wife, cousin, she took it to him and he opened up so my money wasn't in the house when they rushed the house. But, I mean, how did you get a 21-year sentence? That just seems crazy. So, now, if you know, statues, I got a 924C for one case, then I got a 924C for another case. For old, I got an 04, a 05 case, and an 06 case. That's eight counts of drug trafficking, 920.

When they give you a gun case, they give you a 922G, which is, it was this possessing of a gun. Then if you're possessing a gun within the furnaces of another crime, they give you the 924C, which is possessing of gun in the furnace. So them two gun cases, right? So them four of them on two different cases, gun and drugs. Then you add the drugs on both cases, you know what I'm saying? six cases. That's six charges. Then you add the counterfeit. That's another charge.

You know what I'm saying? So it's like I got an eight-count indictment. Did your state, all of your state record? Did that come into play? Yes, it did. Okay, so they could do that in the feds. In the feds. That's why I got sent this as an arm, not a career criminal. Career criminal, right. Which is accurate. They could have got me for arm. You got to have three prize convictions. Now, you remember, one of my prizes was as a juvenile. Right. So they could. couldn't use that one. Right. You know what I mean? So when he had two prior convictions, which gave me a career criminal. Oh, man, that sucks. So when did you go in? I went in 2006.

Okay. I can never see the daylight until 21. Wow. Wow. Whole generation passed. That's fucking wild. And it's not like, even though you're a grown man and, you know, hood rich now. So you really used to hear me on the hood rich. It didn't, uh, it didn't really calm me down. I mean, you were doing, you were doing man time. It was the most time I ever seen in my life. This is when my life changed. Right. This is when you see my book Pressure right here. I wrote pressure.

I wrote another book called Federal Pressure. Now, this is the part of the interview where I explain to you why I'm where I'm at in this journey that I'm on. All the things that I shared with you thus far was chapters out of my life leading into the man that I am today. like I'm an activist I'm a 5,000 role model I got a podcast that I'm bringing new identity back to Miami

teaching the young boys that you know criminal activity and the life that I live is not the way get a trade is smarter the math is smarter so you know I'm on the path of a redemption so when I went in the affairs with the most time I'd ever had

at one time a double-digit sentence I changed. You know what I mean? Even though the ride took place by having one of the biggest rides and not. I still was a change. Man, that's why so many people went in for me. I wasn't star and shit. I wasn't robbing people for their red and bands.

I was working in Unicorn. I was working in faith. I was a teacher's aide. You know what I'm saying? I was helping dudes get their GED. I had done time in my life from it. I became Muslim. Yeah.

You know, so. Yeah. Wow. That's incredible. Well, let's plug. the books, I still want to talk about your Fed time and anything else we can get to. Maybe we'll go do that on the Patreon. But yeah, let's talk about the books. Let's talk about the books and let's tell people where they can get them. What? Tell us about pressure. Well, pressure. Inside, when y'all read

the book, Pressure, man, you can find it on Amazon. My name is right there. Keith and Hunter, that's my government name. A real OG out of Miami is the subtitle. because that's in itself is paperwork. Like, I've been on the Internet since I came home through that. A little bit forward since I had a phone in the joint. You know what I'm saying? I've been on the Internet putting a message out to the youth in Miami that we losing our identity.

While I was doing time, I heard about the Crips and Bloods and GDs and Vice Lords coming to Miami. And I'm like, who started that? Where that come from? We're Miami boys. You know what I'm saying? You're giving away your birthright for as being a... immune to the politics of other cities, and we are known from going to other cities and

bringing work. Right. Ambassadors. So I like to think of us as having diplomatic community in those cities like myself. When I was in Knoxville, they were GDs, vice lord's, crips, bloods. I was a Miami boy. I was able to serve all their ass, you know what I'm saying? So, you know, I'm a hustler first.

So when I seen that identity changing from my city of Miami, I thought it was in a important for me to get out in Miami and say, hey, y'all tighten up, man, y'all out here banging and this ain't your creed, because if you end up going, any two places, and this is the message to y'all young cats, ain't but two places you're going to end up selling drugs in the streets, doing gang ban, is in jail and prison, or that's if you're lucky, or in that graveyard. You understand what I'm saying? So I felt like being an OG is not an original gangster to me. It's offering up guidance. So the first place I'm going to start

is my city where I've done the most damage it. You feel I'm saying? So I wrote those two books where I was in doing Fed time so I could come out with a message. I could come out lead. You know what I mean? Because I don't want to see young guys

throw their life away as long, the mistakes that I made, the shit that I just talked to you about. They got better choices than that. For sure. And Miami is like booming. It's like the greatest city on earth. There's so much opportunity.

Everybody's getting legal money. sketchy money there's even meet a lot of chicks rubbing their pussies on only fans but hey they built million dollar businesses like network with these people right you know like you don't have to stay in like this tiny little pocket of the hood

you got this whole giant world on that that beach front just the most international city on earth like it's all the screamers down now all the content creators down there you got the internet you got this is this era I just I just interviewed the guy that um that just signed

the first AI artist for three times. He just got out of the feds. He signed the AI artist. How do you sign? A R&B. AI artists. Look it up. I've heard of this. I met the guy.

I've heard of this. I spoke to the guy. I had a Rick Roth's my home. Shout out to the boss, man. Invite me to the networking event that I just recently Friday. I met some very interesting people. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

How do you sign an AI artist? How do you sign a machine? I'm still trying to find out. Yeah. We're talking about getting into new fields and new ways to get money. This is the dope right now. I'm still selling dope. I'm selling dope stories.

You know what I'm saying? I'm taking the negatives and making it a positive and I'm leading and putting on for my city. We want the Miami stories. They gave you the BMF story. What about the Miami boys? You know what I'm saying? We got a story. We got a longer ride in this story here.

For sure. That's why I went out to my home boys. That's why I wore the shirt, man. Miami King Pins out. where I'm right now. You know what I'm saying? On all platforms. Go watch Miami Kingspins.

You know what I'm saying? Check my homeboys out. Yeah, I'm going to go watch it. Yeah, that's a, that is a pretty remarkable. I mean, yeah, it's a wild life, bro. It's my life. But it's what makes you who you are, man. I mean, I mean, you know, I was kind of excited coming to,

I see what you got going on over here, man. I love it. You know what I mean? I think podcast and I think true crime. I think on this right here is the new way. People are not even paying attention to like when I'm back, like what I was paying attention. People are not watching series no more.

Like on TV now, people are podcasting on these spring. But it's who doing it the best. And you got one of the biggest following right now. So it's like, to me, it's like it was a honor to come sit down in front of you, man. No, we're honored to have you. We're honored to have you. It's, most people don't have a story like yours. Yeah, it's my story.

Yeah, and just anybody from Miami that lived through those years and survived to tell it is going to be a charismatic cat like you. We just scratched the surface. Well, we're going to talk a little more. They could go where you told me. Yeah, yeah. Go over on Patreon. Patreon.com slash The Connect Show for more, for more stories with Keith,

I ain't finished plugging the books, though. No, we're going to, no, keep plugging. I got another one on federal pressure. Federal pressure. It talks about that ride that you heard about me on there. It talks about how that happened. It's a little more in depth than the way that I explained it. So make sure it's on Amazon.

I brought a copy up or copyhood. We'll pop it all up. It's all going to be plugged. Yeah, but they both are on Amazon. If not, you can inbox me, man. I mail out money through Friday. I'm serious. I want my story to get everywhere.

Yeah, and check your podcast, right? Check your channel. Yeah, check out what they do podcast, man. That's an affirmation in itself. And I'm going to put you up on game. When you're in Miami, right, when you go, first of all, when you go to Chicago, they say, what's up, Joe? When you go to New York, it's B, son, you know what I'm saying?

When you go other places, you hear the lingo of the city, right? When you come to Miami, the greeting is what they do. What they do? You know what I'm saying? And it's affirmation, though, that, you know, I'm going to give you the answer so you know it's whatever the foot. we tell them to. It's whatever we tell it.

It's a swag. Yeah. And I thought it was important for me to bring that back to Miami, to young cats in Miami. Like, we bosses, man. And I don't right. Like, we come from the bottom. You know what I'm saying? We out the Atlantic Ocean.

That's right. You know what I'm saying? So we don't go and get down to nobody else creed and become workers and Duke boys. Right. You know what I'm saying? It's enough to be a Miami boy. Yeah. And there shouldn't be any, there shouldn't be any bloods and crips in Miami.

It's too nice. It's too tropical. I don't know who started it. That's crazy. But check this out. I don't want to be one of them guys attacking those organizations. Because when you look at Bloods and Crips, these boys, these guys got grandmas and grandfathers.

That's the way they brought up. So you've got to respect the code of the land. Yeah, yeah. I'm just saying it ain't Miami code. No, no what I'm saying? I met some real GDs. I met some real bloods. I know they got a creed to that shit.

That's why Miami boy would never pull around. in any facility over those guys that were born into that shit. So why do it? Why not just be a mommy boy? Nah, do what the fuck you want to do. Do what you want to do.

You know what I'm saying? And do it loud. That's why they re-going all this shit. You know what I'm saying? But I promise you, when you're in that cell, I just spoke to you about the 24 nuns. You're going to remember the OG told you, man.

Yeah. Stop associating your shit online because it's a fashion. It's cool. The flag. Yeah. Yeah, well, I mean, God damn. I need a nap after this, bro.

This was like watching a movie. Yeah. So let's go over, but let's talk more because there's plenty more stories that might even be too gangster for the regular YouTube. So check out pressure and federal pressure. O.G. Keith and Hunter, the man, dude, putting on for Miami. Oh, dang, man. I'm the first one from Miami. You're head on him?

You're the first. Black gentlemen we've had from Miami. We've had some, you know, we usually just talk to like... Look how you said that black gentleman. Yes. I'm a gentleman. That's right. Absolutely, sir.

You know, we talked to the big old school Cuban kingpins, right? We had the cocaine cow. A couple of cats with the cocaine cowboys on. Sal Lema. Not Sal, but his worker. Oh, yeah. I remember one who actually gave them to the club, put them on. I think I seen them.

That's right. Like, like, George. George. Jorge Valdez. Right, right. on the cocaine cowboys. We also went to Miami and interviewed. John, help me out.

What's his name? Peggy. Peggy Rosello, and he's the one who took care of all the houses. Right, right, right. He was Sal and Willie. He was one of their in-laws. He was married to Willie's wife. Or, excuse me, Willie's sister.

Yeah, I see, I seen, I seen it, yeah. So we know all about the Latino cocaine culture. But you're the first one out of the hood, man. Oh, shout out to Miami. Man, I put us on. But listen, Sal, they owe my big home boy, big trap, man. Big trap. First, I'm going to try to see I hook you up.

Big trap. Listen, the first guy that was on death row, federal death row, he was on America Most Wanted. You know what I'm saying? He's the original Miami boy. Shout out the Big Trail. Did he get out? He out.

Wow. And he beat his case. No, he didn't beat his case. He finished his time. years in the feds. You know what I mean? Got off death row. All factual, man.

They know what I'm talking about. Big Trave, one of the biggest out of Miami, man. That's my big home. I'm going to send you pictures of all that shit. Well, what's ironic is that Sal's never coming home. He fucked himself properly. But Sal, Sal, Sal,

Trab kind of like took care of Sal on the inside. Oh, really? Yeah, trailed that man. Tad that man in the feds. Because, you know, a lot of those dudes that move crazy weight, they weren't tough guys. No. And so, like I said,

they were business-minded guys, and, you know, a lot of them did rat. But some of them just did their time. They did 20, and they came home. So it's like, if you're in the streets, if you must hustle, don't do it violently because they're just going to they're going to fucking throw the key away, you know? Right, right. So, but we don't promote any of that shit. There's so much legit money.

There's so, if you really, don't just stay in over town. Look to the future. Right. You know what I mean? because there's crazy things happening right now. Some of them not good. I don't know how I feel about the future of AI, but there's a lot of money to be made.

So get yours. Definitely, definitely. Keith and Hunter, thank you so much for coming all the way out here, man. Man, you know what it is, man. Thanks for having me, man. You got it. Make sure y'all tap in, man, what they do podcast.

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