The Connect- with Johnny Mitchell - Nuestra Familia Shot Caller Exposes The BRUTAL Secrets Of California's Most Violent Prison Gang

Episode Date: February 16, 2025

At just 13 years old, 59 Jay was indoctrinated into the violent world of Norteño gang politics. Thank you Helix Sleep for sponsoring! Helix’s President’s Day Exclusive Partner Offer is running now for a limited time – Visit https://helixsleep.com/theconnect to get 27% off your mattress. Offers subject to change. #helixsleep For nearly two decades, his life revolved around crime, drugs, and prison. In this raw and unfiltered interview, Jay exposes the harsh realities of gang life—how it operates, the betrayals, the violence, and the corruption that keeps the cycle going. From running prison operations to surviving riots and stabbings, Jay shares the truth behind the glorified street life that so many young people are drawn to. But in the end, was it worth it? After years of violence, he found himself questioning everything. Go Support Jay! YouTube: @renegademedia0224 Join The Patreon For Bonus Content! https://www.patreon.com/theconnectshow Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

I was a Norteño at the age of 13. On the streets, it's just northerners versus southerners. We're very structured. We're very militant. But the worst aspect about northern politics is that we kill our own more than anybody else. Noesra family members, the only way to make money is to feed your people drugs and take their money. You're taught at a young age and brainwash of the young age to think like that. We're Noreno.

This is our turf. This is our Tierra. You answer to us. This man goes by 59J. He's a former high-ranking general of the Nueese. Neistra Familia prison gang from Northern California. Jay spent decades as a shock caller on level four prison yards in California and throughout the country, where he directed drug trafficking, yard removals, and other military operations for the gang.

He gave us fascinating inside information on the secret workings of Neestra Familia, which is now probably the most sophisticated and violent prison gang in the entire state of California. The stories are absolutely shocking. Jay was forced to leave the gang shortly before he paroled and was nearly killed because of it. But since then, he's fled the gang life and runs a great YouTube channel called Renegade Media, Tales from the Hood. Go check out the channel and follow him on social media where he takes you step by step through his journey as a gang leader. And this week, we've got a very special Patreon episode with Owen Hansen, former USC football star turned Cocaine Lieutenant for the Sina Loa Cartel. You're not going to want to miss that one.

It's available only on Patreon, patreon.com slash The Connect Show. Without further ado, one of the craziest episodes we've done in a long time, 59J from Renegade Media, right here on The Connect with Johnny Mitchell. He was the first person I seen to bring Fetnan, and I just watched people OD left and right. Even if they have the idea that it might kill you, people need to get high. A lot of anarchy on the S&Y yards that make you hell of a lot harder to survive in. Your neighbor don't like you.

I'm going to sharpen the weapon. I'm going to stab him tomorrow morning for breakfast. I've been out four years. I still haven't recovered from prison politics. Yeah, I want to talk about, first of all, the structure of the northerners of like the actual in the Westrof Amelia is pretty fascinating. Yeah. How disciplined everybody is, the different roles that everybody played.

Obviously, how you got there. And like this, like the Central California, like Hispanic gangbegging culture is really interesting. Yeah. Because you can't find it in a lot of places anymore, I feel like. Nah. You don't see motherfuckers like you in L.A. anymore. Nah, you don't. You know what I mean?

A lot of northerners been coming up in the podcast and, you know, even though I disassociated myself from the life, I noticed that nobody was talking about the northern aspect of what was really going on.

So I did so. And I can only break down my prison experience up until 2012, but I am familiar with the new structures of northern structure and lifestyle and how the NF has been operating.

So I'm able to break it down to the best of my ability, but my history alone is still fresh. They barely revised from my ways of generation of the chain of command and the authority in charge and the positions of power. Small revisions that's happened, which I can break those down as well. And yeah, we're very structured.

We're very militant. But the worst aspect about northern politics is that we kill our own more than anybody else. And I think that's what I needed to highlight on YouTube because there's too much glorification on YouTube. I can't respect it no more. Yes, I walked away from the live. Yes, I got stabbed twice in prison. Yes, my people had politic against me. And that's usually it gets thrown at me in my face.

But everybody on social media makes gang looks like, oh, it's fun. It's a way of life. It's a lifestyle. But you don't realize the predictability, you don't realize the positions you'll be placed in. And how easy it is, your homies will hurt you. Because I learned from myself by getting put in the hospital. Like, you can't get hurt in his life. So that's why I've been utilizing my YouTube channel just for that.

Did your homies put you in there? Put you in the hospital? Yeah, they gave me a, it was, I believe it was staples on my head. Can I remember how many? They put my bottom lip through my teeth through my bottom lip. They slice my lips open right here. I got slice marks on my fingers that are healing, but you can still see them. I got this stabbing, as you can see right here.

Got a couple of puncture wounds in my ribs. I got removed in prison by my celly. One of my brothers, he was Northern Structure just like myself. And it was just one of those, man, it's either we both go down or one of us goes down. And he did it to save his career. and I got to respect them for it because at the end of my career as a Norteno Solado as a northern structure, I was a bad apple. I let the power get the best of me.

And that is the problem with a lot of these prison gangs. When you get absorbed into the prison politics and you get a taste of the power, you want more of it. And when I got it, I got abusive real fast. And I made my own calls. I became rogue. I went against the NF. He had no choice but to either try to kill me in the cell or we'd, both would have got killed on a yard.

So he took matters into his own hands. Why did they want to remove you? So there was a time in California CDCR where it was overpopulating. So what they were doing is they were transferring us to these private corporations called CCAs. And there was one in Arizona and then there was one in Oklahoma and there was one in Mississippi. So I go to Arizona and I established a facility for northerners to be there. Even though we were at war with the whites and the Southerners, we were segregated into our own pods.

So in doing so, I took the position of authority. The highest ranking position a northern structure can have is an authority-in-charged position. Then you have a second in command. Then you have three northern administrations, and then the chain of command goes downwards. So I established the yard there. We make money. We produce revenue. The only problem is that the NF, Noesara Familia members,

there were some in the federal penal system, and there were some in the states. The ones in the states were saying, Arizona, Oklahoma, Mississippi belonged to them. But the ones in the federal penal system are like, no, they're not in California jurisdiction. They need an answer to us.

So you got this organization that split in half fighting for who can keep these prisons under their jurisdiction and make the most money off of it because that's what we're there for to make the money. So while they were debating that, why they were arguing about that, I didn't know who to report to

because they are my superior officers. So I just ignored them. I just said, you know what? And so you guys figure out you guys as internal dispute, I have a job to do. I'm going to establish these lines. I'm going to establish warfare. I'm going to get ready for war because the Southerners got us on site and just accumulate.

Just do what my daily duties are, my duties and responsibilities. So I do that. Eight months later, I get transferred to Oklahoma. I do the same thing. So when I got back to California, because I got caught with a weapon trying to stab a South Sider, I was under investigation by Noes Rafa Amelia members in Corkin Shoe because they said for a year and a half, they didn't hear from me. For a year and a half, I made so much money in these facilities.

Where did it all go? How come they didn't get their cut? How come I didn't report to nobody? And then I sanctioned about four removals out there of my own people and they wanted to know why I didn't advise nobody in California about it. So during that whole investigation, they're accusing me of, you know, freelancing. which is a cardinal sin when it comes to Noesra Familia politics, and then going rogue because I wasn't reporting to nobody. And then all the money that I made,

they pretty much said that I pocketed it. And in reality, there was times where I sent money back to California to Corcoran Shoe and Pelican Bay. Just because you weren't provided documentation as to how I got there and who it came from, doesn't mean that it doesn't validate that I didn't do it or didn't do it. And they were rigging up charges against me, but by that time, I noticed the investigation was against me.

I wasn't going to win it. So I just took matters into my own hands and stopped reporting. And I just continued to be a northern structure, a prison gang leader, inside F. State Prison until my removal. I was second in command. And was that the end of your time in the gang? That was the end of the time when it came to a northern structure. What happened was after I got removed, I was under an eight-month investigation.

IGI was trying to get me to turn on my people and I was saying no and just a lot of harassment man they CDCR to cops man when they know you're in the wrong or you're in limbo or your people are out against you

they do some scandalous corrupted politics to make you to try to break you down so I'm in the hole for eight months I go to committee I tell the warden like I ain't got nothing to say bro I ain't anything to say I don't worry about what my people

me and my people are going through I was already talking to my celly that blasted me on the tier and he's like man just go back fight your case still, bro. Your case is still painting. It ain't been resolved yet. I go back and they were going to put me in a cell with a northernern

and he just, like, he beat me up on a tier. I couldn't take him. I took my salary that tried to stab me. He was okay because he was a big boy. He was out of shape. But this new homie, you know, he just beat the brakes off me on the tier. So after your second removal in the prison facility,

they pretty much say, like, you're deemed a program failure, you're deemed no good of your people. If we place you back here again, that could be a lawsuit. So they're like, well, we're going to start just sending to S&Y. Once they said I was going S&Y is when I decided to say, all right, then I'll turn my classification crowning.

And obviously my people told me twice. They don't want me around. They turn their backs on me that I don't belong to my organization. And they made a decision for me. So I had to like transition to go to S&Y. And that was when pretty much my career was over when it came to Northern politics. But it lasted about a good seven, eight years on the main line. Wow.

And you survived and you dodged a life sentence. Not easy. Not easy. For the amount of work you put in. That's the thing, though, like I, the hardest part about, you know, getting betrayed by your own homies. Because a lot of people on YouTube that know me, they always say that I didn't make the cut or I couldn't hang with the life. Like, no. The same way I betrayed so many people on those mainlines, the same seven individuals that I turned against and I deem no good and I had stabbed on the yard.

It was easy for them to do it to me. It's just been when you become a position of leadership and a position of power, you don't think it could happen to you. So when it happened to me, I was like, damn, that was a humbling experience, dude. So it took a lot because from the age of 13 up until the age of 26 is when I got removed, all I ever knew was a Nortena identity. That's all I ever was. So when they took that from me, I didn't know who I was for a long time. Tell us about childhood.

You grew up in Tulare, California. Tell us for people who don't know where that is, what it was like, and the influence of the northern gangbanging culture. So I grew up in East Side Salary, STL gang. STL stands for Somos TULA locals. There's another east side gang called Sweet 14, and then you have the West Side, which is West Side Nortennial Gangsters and West Side Locals. And my city has always been a northern city in the 559 area, Central California, Central Valley. And we beef with Southerners, believe it or not, southerners were from Ivanhoe.

They lived in Vasilia. They had a bunch of southern neighborhoods that were coming from Southern California, establishing their own gangs out here in the valley. So my whole life was just gangbanging against South. I didn't fight my own people until about 2001. And the NF during Operation Black Widow, when they got indicted

from Pelican Bay, is when we started seeing noestra familia members in the 559. Before that, before the 99, we heard about them once in a while, but they were like a taboo. Like, oh, we heard about this big homie, but he's already in jail. We heard about this big homie, but he hasn't been around

for 20 years. But in 2001, a lot of NF members started paroling to the streets and taking over. So I started to see what street regimens were working like. So I started working for street regimens. And I got caught up in a life fast. That politics swallowed me at the age of 13. Yeah. What is the street regimen like in a place like Tulare?

What is the structure? And how does it operate from prison all the way down to the streets? So you have a regimental security department, which is, again, at the time with somebody in Pelican Bay, or Corcoran Shoe, that he's going to oversee all the street regiments in Tulare County, Kings County, Salinas, San Francisco, San Jose. So he's the Regimental Security Department. At the time, I believe was Skip from San Jose, Skip Villanueva, one of the biggest NF members there. And then you're going to have regiment commanders that are either on the streets or in a prison

facility that can operate it. At the time, we had Angel Chavez, NF member, who was running it. then you had a guy named Beto from Vassalia who was running it and then Silver. Silver was actually on the streets. Silver was from Farmersville. So basically you're going to have a regiment commander who's going to be responsible for the street regiment. A city like Tulare, you have a regiment channel, which is going to be somebody from that neighborhood. And on the west side, you're going to have a regiment channel.

Those two will answer to or report to the regiment commander, whether he's in jail, whether he's in county, whether he's on parole violation. they got to keep in contact. So each side is going to have a regiment channel and unless those channels are going to have his right-hand man, you're going to have somebody that's going to maintain a manpower roster, somebody that's going to maintain a household bank, a regiment bank.

You're going to have squad members. You're going to have squad leaders, a squad department, a sergeant of arms, which is somebody's going to be responsible for weapons trafficking, drug trafficking, and then he's going to have his usual drug dealers. So he's going to have a handful of people that are going to report to him,

but it all goes through a chain and commandant. Man, that's what they look like. And is it, I assume most of the activities, the regimens on the street revolves around dope dealing. Dope dealing is the main source of income. But weapons trafficking, selling weed. I personally, when I signed up to be a squad member, I was more, I didn't like selling drugs. I did them, but I didn't like the whole aspect of standing out of corner or pushing weed around, dope around. I was more into like burglaries, robberies, jacking people.

So it's all what kind of acid you can become, how you present yourself. They've seen me as like, man, this dude just wants to carry a gun and point it at somebody. We can use that for this. We can use them to kick down doors. So really, home invasions, taxing by size, taxing businesses, robbing people. But drugs are the main source. Is it meth? No, back then in 2001, it was crank.

And then they came out with Pura. And then Crystal came around like 2003. and Crystal blew up pretty fast. So it was pretty much methamphetamine then, cranked a little bit before my time. Spring weekends are all about family, sunshine, and evenings on the patio. Before everyone arrives, I stop by my local total wine and more to grab a great bottle to share. With such a wide selection and the lowest prices, it's easy to find something amazing for everyone to enjoy. If you're not sure what to pick, their friendly guides can help.

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You had like PCP, KJ. It's whatever makes money. Different errors changed and different. times and whatever drugs popular is what they're going to make the most money off of in prison right now. They're making more money off spice and and fet and also. What's the relationship between NF, the Nortenos in a place like Tulare and Paisas, you know, Mexican drug trafficking? See, when it comes to Pisano's as being drug dealers, they don't have a lot of power out here. If you're in Northern California, that is what you consider, NOSA Familia property, NF territory.

So they're going to get taxed. And they don't really have any say-so unless they have like a cheap plug that we can benefit from. But even then, it's going to be at cheap prices. And if we catch them selling drugs in our area without permission, without the regiment channels being aware of it and the regiment commander approving it, we're more likely going to rob them. A lot of my robberies were bisonals that were selling dope that we were made aware of and they didn't get permission with. So we usually robbed him as much as we can. And if now if they're willing to pay a, you know, a hefty tax, they can get tax like 200 a month, 300 a month.

And that money goes to the Regiment Bank, and the Regiment Bank will split that money up into threes. One goes for weapons. One goes for the supply of drugs. And the other goes to Northwesternia members in Palak and Bay, or Quirk and Shoe at the time or whoever is in charge of their own bank. That's how we split the profits of anything that we make on the streets. Yeah.

Okay. So it sounds like if you're a Pisano, it's better to sell you guys the drugs at a good price and let you deal it. as opposed to letting us tax you because you're trying to make some money because we're not going to let you make that much money. There was a price that I robbed where he didn't falter on making his payments.

It's just when the times got hard for the street regimens and we knew he had it, we're like, I would just rob him of all the money he made and all the dope he made. And I robbed him easy. He was in his backyard in a little shack. I walked in there, lifted up his mattress. He had a hole in his mattress,

pulled out some dope, stacks of money. He didn't want to put him and his little part on the mattress, held them at gunpoint. They were good people. They paid up their taxes. They just wanted to be left alone and make money. But sometimes, you know, the regimen at the same time, like, we're Northenio. This is our turf.

This is our tierra. You answer to us and you're going to respect what we do. And, oh, well, if you got robbed, you got robbed. Sometimes we get greedy like that. What is the difference between Nostra familia and the subgroups in the northern structure? See, what people fail to understand is that Nuesera Familia is an organization.

They're not identified as northerners because Nostra Familia originally started from Southern California. Chino Senors were a lot of the members from Chino were from Chino Senors, Chino, you know, Orange County. It gradually went up north where they started recruiting from the northern grounds

and said, you know what, the division's going to be from Bakersfield down south will be southern. We're going to recruit from up north. They're a prison organization. They're a criminal enterprise. They are their own brotherhood. There's nothing about them that you could be referenced to as a northerner,

Northern Chicano. They're Nuestra Familia members. They're the organization and all they did was create the Norteño identity because they got slammed down and I believe it was 1972 and 1984 and Tracy DVIK Wing. They couldn't do nothing for their organization. So what they needed is they needed to create foot soldiers that would do the work for them. So at that time, Northern Chicano's in the 70s, early 80s were getting oppressed by

Mexican mafia members that weren't slammed down when they created the Southern faction. So there was a lot of abuse and oppression for the Northern Chicano's, northern farmers, people from up north, where they actually ran to the NF and asked for training. So they got trained in Webbitrient and warfare tactics, how to create COCs. And they were given the identity, but the primary objective was you guys go out there, start killing these Mexican mafia members, start killing these Southerners and taking our prisons back so that way they don't have to be slammed down no more.

The only problem is the NF was hit with the first state RICO in diamonds that wouldn't allow them to be transferred back to the main lines. It kept them isolated. That's how the Norteno identity came about, but the sole purpose of the Noreno identity was to always work for the NF will. So that's the structure.

They are the prison organization. They are the mob. The Norenoz are the foot soldiers. And then in 1997 is when they came up with northerners. So it became three different factions. I see. So it's Noestra Familia is the top dog. The mafia below them is what?

Nostra Rasa, northern structure, which is going to be their foot soldiers. Right. And then now, in today's generation, you got Northerners. Okay. So northerners are pretty much the foot soldiers to Noesta Rasa, northern structure. Because the top dogs, Noestra Familia, all of them are in the shoe forever. so they need outside organizations to operate. That was back then up until the end of hostilities peace treaty.

Now you have no Estra Familia members on the main lines. Oh, you do? And they exert all the power. They have all the power. Northeños, northern structure, they're their foot soldiers. They just do what they're told and they answer to these men. And the NF members have taken over all California prisons. But right now you got more Mexican mafia members than you have NFF.

members so it's a battle for prisons right now as we speak wow it was fascinating so when you were 13 and you got brought into the gang were you considered a norteno or what what level is that when you first get in like what on the streets back you identify back then on the streets 2001 the street politics are different we're just nortennials it's only when you go to prison when you start to learn what the norteno really means the the status of it On the streets, we're all North Daniels. We all wear the same bandana. We dress the same.

Different cultures, different styles of living and approaches to life, like the way we talk and we conduct ourselves. So I was a Nortenio at the age of 13 and went to C.Y.A. for putting in work. My homies told me to put in work on a Southerner. I beat them up with a baseball bat. And every time I would get out, I'd go straight to my hood and just gang bang. On the streets, it's just northerners versus Southerners.

When the politics came into play, then it's the same thing. Northerners versus Southerners, but hey, we got to pay some taxes. We got to answer to a big homie. We got to do what a big homie says. We got to go rob. We got to steal. We got to kill. But if we're not doing that, or they're not out here, we're just living a normal northern

the fametto bird lifestyle, just gang banging and just doing what we do on the streets. So the Norteño identity on the streets is totally different from in prison. So when you go to prison, they teach you, like, you're not a Norteno. You're a northerner. You're just a northern Chicano. A Norteño is an identity that was structured behind the walls to protect and defend the people behind the walls. It was never supposed to cross over into the streets. But in prison, Norteños, the northern structure got so powerful that they were powerful enough to go against Nuesra Familia in the late 80s and early 90s create their own street regimens.

So the Nuesa Familia had to do something about that. So they came out with a filter called Norte law, which was to tell everybody, Nortezza. Northenials are under the authority of the NF to remind people of that. Because there was a time like 10, 20 years where we became our own entity. We fought them now. We got tired of answering to them, start taxing them. And we took over the street regiments, took their banks from them. There was an internal war that killed a lot of people.

So when they implement that in 1997 is when they were teaching us the Norteno identity strictly for behind the walls. Those are going to be the individuals who strive, who become true believers, who take. take over these prisons, but understand that they work for us. It took 20 years for everybody to figure that out. So how long were you in CYA for? 2001 to 2005. Oh, wow. It's a long time.

I was a kid, dude. Yeah. I think I only had sex with like three girls before that happened. Yeah. And then you got out and a man, probably. Yeah. And worse off than you were when you went in. Yeah.

And hardened and probably like indoctrinated. And how long are you on the streets when you got out? before you caught your adult case? I was on the street six months. I know that threw my life away the whole time. I just, that's all I ever knew was gangbanging. Once they told me I was in Northenian what my duties and responsibilities were on the streets as a kid,

which is the gang bang, kill Southerners, rob, still, kill, whatever. You're being taught at a young age and brainwashed at a young age to think like that. And with these big homies that were on the streets, like literally exerting their power, power and authority over us. All I was being told was they go do this, go do that, go rob him, go check him, go beat him up, go stab him. I didn't know what else to do in my life. So when I

turned 18 and I got out, it was a lot worse. We had maybe like five or six NF members that paroled from Palakin Bay out there running the streets, running Salinas, running to Larry County, running Kings County. So I'm working hand in hand with NF members seeing that there's more to this life than I knew about. I just thought I had to put on a red rag and kill some dude from Southern California more to it. My people were like, we're a self-sufficient society. We're an organization of criminal enterprise. We're supposed to be making money out here. So I got signed up to be a squad member by an F member named Bubbles, who's actually in the feds right now on disregard by his own organization. But he was an NF captain at the time that I used to work

for. And he would just have me kick this door in, go collect this, go burn this down, go rob him, meet him up over here. And he got indicted in operation of Red Reaper. And they indicted him, gave him 25 years for extortion, murders. They killed a confidential informant. They killed a bunch of people. I dodged that bullet because I wound up getting busted maybe a year and a half before he got busted. And I wind up going down for a string of armed robberies.

So I was robbing everything you could think of for that guy. Yeah. Okay. So how much time did you get? It took me a while. I was looking at 30 to life. It was only because one of the guns I got caught with was a mini 14 with a 30 round clip, which made an assault rifle.

And they got me for 19 counts of strong-arm robberies, six guns, and a gang enhancement. And I was capable of beating the robberies to a lot for a lot, but I wound up confessing the four to try to get a deal. So I just told them myself and was like, like, I did these robberies, but I ain't confessing to these robberies. And they actually gave me 10 years for the gang enhancement because they had a pick. of me shaking that NF member's hand on his front yard. That's all they needed to say. Everything that I did was for the furtherance of a street gang and a prison gang. That was the hard aspect to beat about my court case. So when they offered me a deal, the very first deal, they were like, we'll give you 15 years, two strikes. I took it because I was like, bro, I'm 18

years old. I'll get out when I'm 32. I still got a chance at this. I didn't know what I was getting myself into. I was just a young kid that wanted to look cool, that wanted to rob and have a pistol in his hand. And once you face realities of a court system and the judicial system and a judge saying, like, I'm going to throw a book at you. Everything was like, all right, hold on. I really want to do this for the rest of my life. So I took the 15 years two strikes.

How many homies go into level three, four yards in California with 15 years and don't catch another case? Not that many, bro. I mean, there's a lot of people that do, but a lot of people don't have the opportunity like me. the thing that saved me from catching cases in prison because I went to level fours I only went to level three for like two years

and I went back to level fours all my prison term was level fours like I said high desert Tahitp you know Kern Valley Sadev but it's because I was a Nortejo on the streets the prison identity Norteno

not a Norteno on the streets as in the soldier I got embraced early so they had to teach me how to run COCs they had to teach me Norteno education. They had to teach me how to establish yards. So I got so invested

in leadership positions that I really didn't have to, you know, catch a case. I went to war with Southerners twice. I went to war with blacks and I went to war with whites, but those are riots. Nothing big. Right. So the leadership. COCs are what you call chain of command.

So you're going to have the authority in charge position. But in today's generation, they changed it to a three end sole panel. So they gave three individuals and positions of authority. So it's more like a voting system. Two against one, that's the majority

vote. Back then, I was the authority in charge, so I was the only one that had any say so. It just depends on what my subordinates tell me. So you're going to have the authority in charge a second in command. The second in command reports to authority in charge. Then you're going to have three people under him.

A northern administration one, which is going to run everything in the in-house, Northern administration two, which is going to run everything outside. And a Northern Administration 3, which is going to run your education department. So everything that gets ran in the in-house is all his chain of command on the lower, a block channel, a tier security, a head of security. They're responsible for securing the cells.

So they want to make sure that you have a weapon in your house. They want to make sure that you're monitoring all your enemies on the tier. They want to make sure how to secure your doors from getting opened up by an opposition. They want to make sure you have weapons buried in the table in the dayroom underneath the stairs. Where can you stab somebody in the day room without getting caught? How can you sneak into somebody's cell? If I asked you to kill this southerner or kill this skinhead or this white guy,

how are you going to engage him in the cell? What is the best method? So they're focused on in-house security. Yard security, his department, squad leaders, squad members, how are you going to stab that man in his area? How are you going to catch him slipping if he goes to get his package? They're going to be focused on how to murder somebody on the yard. The third one, we're just teaching our people.

We're indoctrinating our people every day about Northennial politics, so they know what their job is every day. And what are those politics? What is that education? You're going to know your duties and responsibilities as a northerner. Like, what are you going to do? You're going to defend and protect the household. I'm going to teach you how to defend and protect.

I'm going to teach you why you're going to defend and protect the household. I'm going to teach you why you need to be subordinate to your superior officers. I'm going to teach you why you need to follow these hundreds of rules of each department. I'm going to teach you what you really are and what you're supposed to do here on these yards. That's Norteo politics. That is Norteno education. Every time I put out a filter and implementation

of what needs to be done, what needs to be corrected, what we're going to do next, what's the benefit of this cause? That's all Norteno politics. But Norteno politics really have to do it like the bonds, the format, the history. We're just teaching Noreno's

how to be Norteno's in the Norteno lifestyle behind the walls because obviously we're all in prison. This is where our identity really started where it was created at. It's so organized. It's like its own company. It's like a corporation mixed with like an army, right? Yeah, more we look at it like more. You got to remember some NF members were war veterans, like old school wars and generals.

So a lot of our generals are NF members. They structured noestra familia in accordance to the military. So they gave us the same aspects and we do it in the same fashion because oftentimes where we're trying to circulate information to one another without it getting breached by cops or by enemies. But that's what we pride ourselves on as Nortennos is that we're more structured than anybody else. But with more structure becomes more rules

and with more rules become more rules to be broken. So it's a lot more easier to cause infractions and kill our own people for it. And that's why you see more in fighting, in-house discipline. Yeah, we do removals on our own people more than anybody else. Even the whites?

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with better sleep. Thank you, Helix. Do you do dope in prison? Like, what is the, what are the rules around using drugs? Um, Southerners, they use drugs all day. White's not supposed to use drugs. They use drugs all day. Northerners, we have a no-hard drug policy and we're not allowed to use drugs, even though we still use drugs.

Um, you can get killed in prison for using drugs as a northerner. But now, today's generation and all the information that I've been able to provide on my YouTube channel, Nusa family member is the only way to make money is to feed your people drugs and take their money because if not they're going to buy it from the Southerners and you're going to make the Southerners rich and the Mexican Mafia Ridge.

So they got their people hooked on drugs and then they kill them if they have an addiction or they kill them if they get in dead or they kill them if they told them not to use drugs but they're using drugs anyways. Nortennians have always prided themselves on no hard drug policies but even though most Nortennios and northerners

that go to prisons have a drug habit. Drugs and gangs coexist with one another, the one and the same. What did you see was the big mover when you were in there? Was it heroin or was it Crystal? Heroin, when it came to Southerners, Southerners love heroin like madman. Crystal meth is real easy. Weed was like, it's too loud.

You open it. I brought it in once. I brought some weed in called Blue Cheese and the whole tear stunk. When I had cops in the building with dogs left and ride and I flushed it. but crystal meth is bad even though it's good business is bad because it causes the worst from people you're going to see people in their cell eating their boxers you're going to see people in their I've seen so many people kill their cellies off crystal meth and I'll never forget those situations like I seen a I seen a bulldog on the S&YR strangled his cellie because he just thought

of sell he was talking smack about them they never even left the sale for days he just assumed that in the back of his head I've seen some bapsaw going where I've seen a ex skinner had locked himself in the shower and was just literally chewing his boxers while he was still wearing him he was just chewing him to the correctional officers got him out of there took him the medical heroin is like a calm drug everybody's addicted to it but you're not going to go out your way you're going to hurt to the point like you're going to spend all the money you have to feed your habit but you're not going to go kill your celly for you're not going to go stab somebody on the yard for it it's like one of those calm drugs where everybody's just happy content the

environment's peaceful but if we're not going to go kill you're just happy content the environment's peaceful but if we hear that a couple ounces came of meth on the yard we know everybody's going to get stabbed by the weekend so that's all i'd ever see is people get high on dope get strung out of crystal meth and then next thing you know they're stabbing somebody in the yard because they're just wigging out that's just bad for you in prison when you got there so it sounds like did you have to put in work to get stripes to achieve rank or did you already have that from doing work on the street um in my situation i already had it from the streets because when you when I showed up to county jail there's what you call a a northenio application you have a new arrival application which is all right you're say you were a northerner

but we're going to investigate it and make sure you ain't got nothing bad on your name or bad reputation not under investigation not in question you're not wanted by the people then they clear you the program i was clear the program but now i have this northenio application i have to fill out which is the people that raised their hand for me that sponsored me the nf memory who gave me his stamp of approval his blessings, and then my resume as to what I contributed to the cause to the street regiments to north of familia members. So I had a different kind of resume to present in which they, once they cleared me to program, they're like, all right, well, since you're a brother, since you're somebody with rank, you're just a grunt. You just became a member. We've been members eight years.

So there's what you call rank and file. And one of the 14 bonds is bond number eight. It's called rank and file. Even though we're all equal, if this man's been here five years and I've only been here a year, he's the one that's going to run the prison. I answered to him. You earn rank over the years by the resume that you bill over the years. So if you're a Northenio with status and you don't do nothing and your resume looks like crap, they're not going to offer you nothing. Me, I was a striver. I was a true believer. I wanted to learn. So every chance I got, I'd volunteer. I'll take over that COC position when he goes to a different facility, I want that position. Then I'll go learn.

Then I go draft up my duties and responsibilities. And I'll apply myself every day on the yard for my people's sake. That's how I was able to build my resume. But I also built it because I was getting transferred from facility to facility, riot after ride after riot. I was just getting in trouble at the same time. So it kind of helped me out. Right.

And what were these riots like? The first riot was it was in SADF, C.R and building seven. We went at it with the whites. A northerner, he was in Salano, I believe it was, or Soledad. I can never remember that prison. Well, pretty much there was an integration policy. Noesra family members circulated a filter saying, we are not allowed to let any integration policies happen.

CDCR was basically saying, like, we don't care that you were a northerner, we don't care that you were a southerner. If we want to put you in the cell together to make room because of overpopulation, we're going to put you in there. So everybody made it a rule, like, right, we're not going to refuse no sellies, but if you put a southerner in my cell, I'm going to kill him. And if a white said said the same thing, well, if you put a northerner in myself, I'm going to kill him. You guys told the administration that? No, we told each other that. Okay. The administration

already knew that, but they're like, we don't care about your gang politics. We need room. We need to make room. So we're going to start consolidating cells. So on the yard, we're like, all right, since the administration doesn't want to hear us out. So we're all sending filters out. Like, you guys know what it is. We're not going to refuse you because we ain't cowards. That's a cowards move. But if you come in the cell, you're to know what's happening. So everybody agreed like, all right, so we're going to go to war just a matter of time. So they put a white guy in the cell with the northerner and he said, hey, you can come in if you want. And the white guy said, okay. And he choked him out,

stabbed him, took his win, killed him. And it kicked off in Solid Death. So when I kicked off, three different yards kicked off simultaneously. So now it was a statewide gang war between northerners and whites. So when I got to Sadev, we were at war with the whites. And me and my neighbor just got off on each other. It was me and Marcelli cyclone from Vasilia. And it was two skinheads. I believe they had tattoos on their backs, like said, Aryan resistance. And they opened up the doors. We looked at each other and we brawled it out. And that was my first ride, like four months into that facility. I went to Susanville later and we got into war with the blacks over drugs. we're bringing in crystal meth and ecstasy.

And it was a business deal gone bad. The blacks from Northern California, the Cribs, disrespected, and we went to war with them. When I went to Arizona, the South Siders had us on site because they were there first. We went to war with them, 15 on 32. And then when I got back to California, we went out of with the Southerners again.

So like almost every facility I've been in, I've been to war with, like, riots. And does that, do bodies drop during these riots? Does anybody get, you know, life flight out? Or is it just fist fighting? Nah, we bring weapons to the yard. But you'll see people go to the hospital for like small lacerations, puncture wounds, a slice mark.

I've seen four northerners and one of the rides that I've been in. They got flown out on life support, but they all survived. I think the worst one I've seen was during a ride was the homie from San Jose. He got paralyzed from his waist down. They punctured his spine. Southerners punctured his spine. So he was in a wheelchair for the rest of his prison term.

Yeah. But it could happen, but in riots, it's too fast. Right. If he swings a weapon at your face, you can dodge and run. Right. You got room to run. But the worst thing. How long does it go off before they, do they shoot the tear gas?

And where do they shoot the, the cops will throw these canisters. They have these canisters. They'll throw these canisters and the bombs will go off and it'll explode. And you, after like five canisters, bro, you can't breathe. You can't breathe. You're like tears. You got boogers coming out your face. And you're trying to fight in the midst of smoke.

You can't see nobody. So everybody's back. up, then they start shoeing warning shots with a block gun, and then you'll hear the mini 14 go off in the air. But most riots last about like two or three minutes, but it seems like forever because you're fighting five people at once. So that's the hardest part about a riot. Yeah.

So it sounds like if you really want to kill somebody, it's got to be planned. It's got to be executed properly. Orally, like we plan that every day. We always look for primary targets. We want to see who our enemies are. who's a influence because if you cut off the head of the snake the people ain't going to know how to react if you kill the leadership of a southerner or stab him off the yard all his people are going to do is wait for orders or just rush you as much as they can and they're going to want to leave because

their leadership is gone they don't know what to do so that's like the best effective way to do it but it's also hard because everybody's on standby we're in a we're in a prison yard it's nothing but warfare i used to always sit there every day like man i wonder if they know if they know I'm the prison gang leader. I want to know if they know I'm the authority in charge because the way I'm plotting on his big homies, they're plotting on me too. They're trying to figure us out. It's really hard to kill somebody, but when you do it, it's real simple because there's nowhere

you can run. You just got to find a place to isolate him somewhere on the stairs, catch him when he first walks out of the cell. Wait until he goes to the shower. And then when he's done with his shower, come up on each side of the tear, he doesn't even know. He's over here drying off, open the door and stab him in the shower where he has nowhere to run. He's a little box. You just

got to plan it out, but you got nothing but time. We're all doing prison time. Right. So that's kind of what the mentality is every day. It's watching people's movements. I mean, it's just like on the street you're plotting something. Wow. That's crazy.

There's a Norteno politic. It's like an implementation that we do. So what it is is in the inside, I call it a daily tier report. So I'm going to have a northerner every day. somebody different, he has to stand at his door all day and he's going to monitor the targets that I want. So anytime he sees somebody fishing with him, I want to know about it.

Anytime somebody goes to his door, I want to know about it. He's going to give me a piece of paper at the end of that day of about eight hours worth of information on how he watched this dude every day. And it's going to alternate from Northern and the Northerner. Same thing on a yard. Every time you go to yard, I'm going to assign somebody. You see that fool right there? watch him all yard. I want to know where he goes.

I want to find a pattern. I want to know where he's going to be at most of the yard. Where is the best place to hit him? Does he bury something? Does he pick up something? Who does he report to? Because I want to know who his bosses are. And there's going to be one northern owner on the yard doing this all day.

He won't not take his eyes off him. And I get that report. And after so many months of that report, then I start to realize, okay, he's always going to be by the handbook quarter around this time. This is his routine. He talks to these certain people after that. He goes, kicks a little. over here, that's where I'm going to kill him if I have to.

This is how we plot every day, the art of war. Wow. And the discipline, the Mexican discipline. People don't realize that haven't been to prison, like really the most disciplined cats who look like they're in boot camp are the Mexican gangs. Yeah. And it sounds like noestra, the northerners are the epitome of that. Yeah, I believe so. Southerners don't operate like us.

The only thing that have that's more powerful than us is numbers. Because look at how big Southern California is. Look at L.A., how many neighborhoods. These dudes kill each other in incredible numbers and just flood the penal system. So their power is in their numbers. They can't be organized because you got the L.A. car, San Diego car, Orange County car, inland empire car, SG. They're so divided amongst themselves that it's easy to target them.

We'll let them fight all year long with each other and stab each other and move each other. Yeah. They're focused on LA politics and southern politics. So when it's our turn to blast them, they really don't ever see it coming. Not to get too detailed. Were you ever, did you ever witness any successful prison hits at any facility you were at? I witnessed a lot. I can give you examples of examples.

Are we talking about just remove bad or murdered? Both. I've seen southerners remove their own slash. their throats, losing eyeballs, stabbed pretty bad. One of the craziest murders I seen was two Southerners from an L.A. car killed a southerner from a San Diego car on the yard. And it looked like they were walking a track together and they had him in the middle and it looked like they were just lecturing him.

But there was a part of that dude that I can tell where he was on the yard. Like he knew it was coming. So he was trying to push himself away. He kept trying to get out of the situation. He kept trying to say, like, I'm going to back. bounce over here. I'm going to go kick him with my homies. And they kept town. I'm like, no, I feel keep walking. And we're seeing it. And we're seeing all the hostility between these two. And the next thing you know, they say,

yard down. And they did it like, it was funny though. They did it right in front of the tower cop, like maybe like 20, 30 feet from the tower cop, but the cop's rat. And dude stood in the middle while one's in the front, one's in the back blasting him. But it looked like the dude in the back was blasting him like bad, dude, because he was just falling to his knees forward while he was falling to his knees forward. It was just puncturing him in his chest. And you can just hear it. And I'm across the yard.

And the Southerners are on the opposite side of me. We have our table. We have our pull-up bars. We have our brick wall. And I never understood in the beginning. This was like when I first got to prison. I was like, bro, why are the Southerners killing the Southerners like that? Didn't really get it.

It was an L.A. and San Diego car thing. But it got even deeper. You got Southerners from San Diego working for one Mexican mafia. And you got Southerners from L.A. working with another Mexican mafia. and they're fighting each other over that yard and this food is getting killed for it. But I've seen my own people

when it comes to my own people remove each other. I've seen some brutal ones that were effective. It's just, it's hard to, it's hard to explain because each scenario they're getting stabbed for something different. But if you break down the jifts of why each one of them got stabbed, it's over a stupid rule. Stupid rule that they chose not to follow,

that they could have followed. A rule that was unnecessary, but a bunch of powerful people were like, know what? I don't like how he conducts himself. So I'm going to make a filter and I'm going to make a rule that everybody needs to follow because I don't like the way he carries himself. And then he gets killed for it in the end. And most of these removals that go on from within the gangs, the guy who's getting removed

doesn't even know it's coming. It's like he'll be kicking it with his homies and laughing and carrying on and they all know what's about to happen. Of course he doesn't. I think that's our best training because I'm going to teach a northern how to conduct the removal and how to hit somebody with the element of surprise

and that's all he's going to know how to do is like man I know how to catch somebody sleeping I know how to engage him in warfare without him knowing it the whole time I got plans of attack establish how to hit him it's just he's not aware of that because each squad member

is going to be assigned to do different things so all these northerners are forgetting that we're training each other how to take each other out but they're always they'll never put themselves in a predicament like that could be me one day they never anticipated

So it's real easy to blindside him with the removal of him. Like, you didn't see it coming because you didn't think it could happen to you. But overall, what I would do effectively is that instead of letting him feel like it's coming, I'm going to make him feel comfortable. If it's not an immediate threat to me, I'd be like, hey, bro, just don't do it again. Follow this rule. You'll be okay. Hey, here's three days of discipline.

Okay, he does his three days of discipline. He feels like the people were disregarding him. Then I'm going to wait. All right, your discipline's done. I'm going to shake his hands. I'm going to bust his. spread with them. I'm going to give him some pruno. I'm going to let him kick it for like another two weeks until he gets comfortable. Once I realize that he doesn't even feel like he's in

the good now, that's when I'm going to sanction his removal. It's just a waiting game. I got nothing but time. I'm doing 15 years. I can stab you next year if I wanted to. I just got to find the appropriate time to get rid of him before he can see it coming. Did you ever have to remove somebody who was like a friend that you got an order to remove? Or did you have autonomy to decide? Were you eventually making those decisions? I was the one more. making the decisions. I didn't have to remove none of my friends until I was like on the S&Y side when I did some stabbings.

What's S&Y? S&Y is what you call a sensitive need yard. And that was when I got removed and went to the SNY yard. And even then I joined a prison gang and started politics. And I honestly did more violence on the SNY yard than I ever did on the mainline. I probably beat up 13 people and stabbed three on the SNY on the main line. I didn't even stab nobody. Yeah, I've heard.

Somebody was in here on a previous episode. They said basically SMY yards were created for like, you know, the child molesters, the people with bad paperwork, right? The snitches, gang dropouts. But so many motherfuckers from the mainline dropped out that now the SMY yard has become the mainline yard because you got so many bad dudes, so many fucking gang bangers and shit that it's just the problem is just transferred now. Yeah. That's fascinating. Yeah. We created our own gangs.

Well, they were created before I even got there, but they're far more dangerous. Like, I'd see a removal twice a year. Two from the Southerners, one from us, on the mainline. I'd get even time, maybe one riot. Most of the time it's respect levels and diplomacy because if we go to war, we're going to war. S&Y are your neighbor don't like you.

I'm going to sharpen the weapon. I'm going to stab him tomorrow morning for breakfast. Who's he going to answer to? Who's going to put them in his place? we don't answer to nobody. Everything is, hey, I'm going to kill you if I want to, or are you going to do what I say? If you don't respect me, I'll blast you whenever I want.

A lot of anarchy on the S&YRs that make you a hell of a lot harder to survive in. But that was the only time I had to remove friends. Norethian politics, just because I called him my brother, because we're in Northern structure, we're from the same organization. Doesn't really mean he's my brother. It's just a term that we use,

a term of endearment to show him like, hey, bro, we're one in the same. We believe in the same. same thing. We represent the same cause. We're part of the same struggle. We're brothers in that aspect. But you'll kill me just as fast as I'll kill you. So why should I have any love and support for you as a brother? Brotherly love doesn't exist. It's just a term that we use to promote unity. That's all it is. Were you amongst your gang, your car, were you considered short time with 15 years? Or did a lot of the cats have less? Or were you around most people with life?

I was around most people with life. And that was probably some of the best training that I ever had because lifers that are involved in prison gang politics, they're more humble. Because you can't get them to react. But when they do, they're out for murder because they ain't got nothing to lose. So I'm getting educated by people that are doing life

without the possibility of parole that are teaching me like, look, man, you got power. You're a young kid with power. Do something right with it. Don't be abusive with it. Don't be like the NF members we heard about that are hermits that are went banditos and renegades and, you know, disassociated from the gang and are considered dropouts. Do something right. Do your investigative work.

Make sure you're not killing your people just to kill your people. They had a different perspective about life because they had life. Somebody like me that has 15 years, I was like, bro, I ain't got nothing to lose. I can catch another 10 years. So what? I'll kill this fool. I'll stab them and catch another 10 years. I'm still young.

So that's how I was young and ambitious. But I was overly ambitious where I overstepped my boundaries all the time once my rank started looking better and I had more years of experience on my belt Through the power got bigger and the power got more the influence got more To the point I was like bro, you can't tell me nothing or I don't care what you say I'm the authority in charge I have the final say so if you don't like it I'll blast you too That's when it got worse for me I just forgot everything that I was ever taught Okay, so tell us about going to those private prisons.

Man, real, it was like Disneyland, to be honest with you. We got there, right? I got there in 2008. First thing that happened, we were segregated. They accidentally popped the doors, and we went to war with the South Siders. We left one brain dead or brain damaged, but they left about six of us in the hospital. The administration there realized that we can't get along, so they kept us segregated. But we're talking about staff that had no knowledge.

of our gangs. They were just like private security. Somebody you would hire at a birthday event or something and they had like one little can of spray it and that was it. Mostly women and we were able to knock these women and we had maybe six women, seven women on our payroll bringing us drugs, bringing us phones. We were having sex with them in the cells. We were living good. We made money monthly off those facilities and all I mean monthly. I mean like the last one I can remember we made like 14 grand a month off these staff. Just bringing in balloons. Just not bringing in quarter pounds, quarter ounces, zips.

There was this weird thing. Like they let us get packages, right? And they would never scrutinize our packages. So I had a friend, my neighbor, his name was damaged. I'll never forget it, damage from Vallejo. And he was from San Jose. And he goes, hey, my brother works from GameStop. And I'm like, I didn't know what GameStop was.

And I was like, and he goes, I can get an Xbox. sent in here, I can gut it out and put like 10 cell phones in it. I was like, what do you need? He's like, I just need a cell phone to call him. So I give him a cell phone. He calls his brother. About two weeks later, he gets called. The package just comes, and I'm staring at the box like, oh, they're going to bust it.

They give him the Xbox. He walked right in his cell, walked behind them. We unscrewed it. We had 10 cell phones with 10 chargers. Didn't have to pay nobody. The legal system out there, they don't scrutinize your legal mail. They don't open it and check it for you. Oh, can you sign this?

This is legal documents. You sign it. They give you the envelope. Dude, we had heroin and crystal meth coming through legal documents like every month. There was a female CEO that we used to run a train on. She was like, I don't know, maybe 60 years old, dude. She was old, like real old. Dude, she'd bring in his, bringing zips of heroin like nothing.

She just, he was in love with like one of our homies. So he would just have to bang her out in the day. There was no supervision. One camera that faced the whole room and the CEOs can literally walk in their cells and we can just be in there having sex all day. So it was just a field day. We made so much money. We got to Oklahoma.

Why did you have to leave? Why did they ship you out? Because they were bringing more northerners from California. So that was like the first stop was Arizona. So those of us that have been here eight months to a year, we got transferred to Oklahoma. And from Oklahoma, you would go to Mississippi. They needed more room. California was becoming overpopulated.

And so when I got to Oklahoma, same thing. The female COs there were just like giving it up to inmates Some of them didn't even want the money They just wanted to have sexual affairs But some dude they thought was handsome And I was seeing women fall in love Women getting married to these guys I've had homies that got married to some of these staff

And dude it was just a free-for-all We had so much drugs It was just like we were giving it out to people Like here man here's an eight ball from the streets Like here you can have it for 50 bucks Give me $50 J-pay or something We were bawling out of control That prison, that prison was no form of discipline, no form of correction.

We all became like big time drug dealers. I literally came from, I left Oklahoma for that weapons charge. I got transferred to Sad F with maybe like $4 to $5,000 on my books just off money I made, not money that I created for the banks there. That's how we were bombing. So it was all private prisons in America are almost like prisons in Mexico. Like you just, everything goes. Everything goes.

We weren't like Mexico. Like, you know, you get guns and Uzi's and grenades in Mexico, but over here was just anything went. Is that because they're private, so they need to make money, so they lower the, they staff at the least, and they have the least amount of security to keep their costs down, right? I'm not sure. I'm not sure what these private corporations were for. I know there's a lot of profit that could be made by creating, you know, new facilities for inmates. But like I said, it was just, you got one compound, and each compound has three buildings.

And in those three buildings, you had five pods. One of one would be at SIG. And you have one cop per pod. And I'm seriously, they walk around a little pepper spray, some keys. They open your doors once an hour. And they literally are giving a chair just like this. Sit at the end of the pod and they just watch you. They just babysit.

So a lot of these women were like so bored that they would just talk to us. Like, so what y'all from? What's y'all doing out here? What's you in here for? Damn, boy, you're handsome. And then you were just like, hey, want to come in a cell? You want to make some money, hypothetically? The person that I had, I was making money off of the most was my correctional counselor.

He was a regular dude. And to believe it or not, all he asked was he's seen a tattoo artist in my building. And his name was Murph. Murph was from Santa Rosa. And he's seen that dude's drawings. And he goes, hey, does he get down like that tattoo? So I showed him my tattoos. I was like, that dude's bad.

He's like, hey, you think he can draw like a sailor, like a ship with water and this and this and that? So I'd bring it to the homie. And he's like, well, what's in it for me? I was like, bro, we're going to get this. Fool. Just trust me. Literally went in a cell. Got let the homie tied up his arm, gave him some bad ink on his arm,

clean artwork. And we had him locked. So he was bringing us whatever. We can use this computer for whatever. He'd be like, all right, what do you guys want from the streets? This and this and that. And we would just get like drugs here and there from him. But we pretty much had him on the payroll.

It was that easy to knock him on a payroll. So you have $5,000 on your books in prison is like having $100,000 on the street. I mean, you're eating. Yeah, where I was eating, but that was just what I was able to bring. That's not what I was spending because over there, you can go to canteen once a week, not once a month. So I'm going like $90, $100 every week of food eating, eating one week. I'll go next week on $100 bucks. I'll go next week, $100.

Why? Because I just made a couple of another thousand. But my responsibility was what you would call a household bank. So the household bank is all my chain of command members had to have their own money. which is we're going to make money for their books. The household bank is like, all right, maybe I saved up $15,000 in the event that this CEO is like, hey, man, if you guys want these new cell phones or you guys want this Xbox 360 that locks into the internet, you got some money?

Okay, we got money for it. We got money if this girl says, hey, I'll bring you in three zips for two grand. All right. Well, here's two grand. That household money is just to take care of the household. Where is that stored? Is that on the prison commissaries on an outside account? It's an outside account.

I usually get somebody choice whether you have my chain of command that will, his wife or his sister, his mom won't steal the money. And we'll just navigate it just like that. Say, for example, I got, at the time, there were 60 northerners in that pod. Not everybody's fortunate. So if I see a northerner who doesn't go to store or doesn't get a package, the household bank. Hey, bro, what do you need? I just need a package. Give me the list of everything you want.

I'll buy them a package. There you go, bro. And that little gesture right there of giving somebody a package because they're that's fortunate, I know I can turn to that dude and say, hey, bro, if I need you to stab this food, you're going to stab this food

because of everything I've done for you. I looked out for you. I'm your family. I'm your brother. A lot of little, you know, subtle manipulation going on with our little procedures. Did you have a lot of respect? Sounds like you were a good leader.

No, I was a good leader up until Oklahoma. Oklahoma is when my downfall happened. But it's only because when I was already knew I was under investigation. was under question. I did a lot of removals out there that I didn't want to do, but were necessary. And two of those removals that I sanctioned were good homies. Take the Northennial politics out of it.

Take the identity out of it. Dues were good dudes. They were just violating the policies. And at some point, I have to lay my foot down and be like, bro, I got to make an example with somebody, bro. And if it's going to be you, it's going to be you. And I've seen the culture change. a little bit. I've seen

like some of the northerners that were coming were like friends bro. They were like friends from the streets. They were like their own brotherhood outside of the politics and I kind of ruined that. So I had a bad reputation like man these fool just got rid of two homies, good homies that we liked because of these stupid

Northenio politics as these dudes are pushing. There was a lot of Norteno Soladoes of my status of my caliber that were real abusive and I was feeding off that energy. When they were even becoming abusive, I was like okay, this is how I need to be to earn the respect. I was just gaining the wrong respect from people. It was respect out of fear, not respect out of honor and appreciation that, you know, you are my leader.

So I was doing it to myself with not even realizing it. Who were you, when you were in Oklahoma and these, in Mississippi and these other private prisons out of California, who were you reporting back to? And where were these guys, these people that had rank on you? Technically, I was supposed to be reporting to Nuestra Familia members. Right. Only problem is I wasn't. See, when I first got out there, my Padino, my godfather, the person that brought me into the organization, he was on the streets.

Remember, I told you he got indicted in Red Reaper, we're killing confidential informants and burying some people. I had contacted him and I said, hey, I'm in Arizona at a private facility, bro. Like, this is not California jurisdiction. Who am I supposed to report to? And he was like, you know what, I don't even know. Let me get back to you on it. He got indicted. So I'm trying to.

I got a letter from Arizona from an NF member saying, hey, since you're in Arizona, I'm in Arizona. I'm at this federal facility. You report to me. But I get a kite from California saying all these facilities have NF members. You are not allowed to be in contact with because they're the federal jurisdiction. You're still California inmate, which makes you a California state jurisdiction. So now I'm like, well, who am I supposed to report to if you guys are saying that I got a report to California?

They didn't provide a name. So you got NF members in the fed saying, hey, you report to us. Then you got California, NF members saying you report to us. Where I was like, well, when y'all figure it out, y'all let me know. Y'all give me a name and an address and a CDC number. And that's who I'll report my letters to. They never did. So for a year and a half, I just said, you know what,

until they figure it out and somebody shoots me a letter saying, I am your regiment commander. You will report to me. I'm at this facility. I just went about my business like I was supposed to establishing these yards, securing these yards, creating production and revenue for my people. But after a while, I think I had so much fun out there

with like Xboxes and PlayStation's and drugs and phones where like... Let's see. That too. And then so I just didn't even care about NF politics. And I was already reaching to that point of my status where I was like, bro, I don't really need to answer to them. I'm just obligated per Norteno law.

but as long as nothing's going on and I got everything under control, what do they need to know? So you didn't really have aspirations to move up and get made and become like a member of Nooza familia. No.

When I got back to California in 2011, they did circulate a filter. It was pretty much basically saying any Norteño was status that had more than 10 years on the main line can pick up a weapon, stab somebody, go to cork and shoot, gain the schooling to become NF members.

my cellie that stabbed me that was his ambition mine wasn't on the basis that after so many years of politics and once you start implementing them once you start holding leadership once you start being around different personalities and characters of your own members of your own brotherhood i started to see the shadiness i started to see the backtrows and the backbiting then i'm feuding with different prisons with different brothers that i haven't even met face-to-face but we're beefing and i'm like bro this is a scandalous and And after the seventh sanction removal that I did on my own people, it got to me after a while. I was like, damn, bro, like, I'm literally just stabbing these dudes for this one. I could have cleared it. But because protocol says that I can't clear it, I have to stab them instead. By the seventh one, I was like, bro, we just kill our own people. And this is just the seven people that I sanctioned. All the prisons that I've been to where I was a lower COC member, I've seen authority

of charge members killing the same people. So I got seven years on the main line. I've just seen northerners stab northerners. So I was like, bro, what am I really defending and protecting when I haven't seen a Southerner really kill us yet? I've seen Northerners do it. I've seen Southerners, you know, put some of us in the hospital and stab us during wars, but then we start shaking hands with them, I don't know, like four months later.

But every day I'm plotting on a northerner. Every year, I'm seeing more northerners get stabbed by more northerners. After a while, the politics in my head just kind of got mixed up. I was like loyal to it, but I didn't want to be lower to it anymore at the same time. Who are the bosses? You know, who are the one? Obviously, these are, this infighting is all traces back to just the bosses of these organizations jockeying for their own power, right? Mm-hmm.

It's just like anything, any hierarchy. Who are, how many leaders of the Inouestra Familia are there at any given time? do you know and where are they um you got a lot of um see that there was a thing before in 2001 it was called the black widow operation when the nf members in pelican bay got indicted and they all got snatched up and went to the feds they were all our generals our original generals you know you got corny tristin you got skip you got quete quete was the main one you got texts um there's a couple other members that I can't recall right off of my dome.

But those were what you call the NF brass. They were the brass, the NF table. They go to the feds and there's NF members that were left in the States. Both factions were in communicative

with each other. They weren't communicating for 10 years. They didn't know the whereabouts of each other. Some of the NF generals were in ADX max where they couldn't report to nobody.

But these guys that are in the feds are the generals. They're the ones that still feel like no matter where we're at, we're the top dogs. We're part of the original governing body, the inner council. We're the ones that run everything. But then you had all these NF members who seen all these vacancies in their own structure, took over, undermined it them. So you got two

different factions. You got the state faction. You got the federal faction that all believed that the overall authority. That's where a lot of the infightings happening in today's generation. You got northerners that are believers of the NFs in the States. You got northerners that are believers in the NF and the feds. And it split the whole organization up entirely where we're going to war with each other now over who we're loyal to. Well, tell us about the state because that's where you saw. How does you said, like the guy who stabbed you was trying to get pipelined into the program of actually becoming an NF member. How does that work?

How does that pipeline work? Sometimes when you get when you present yourself to the organization, they're looking for a common thing. They want to know if you're an asset, a source of interest. Can you make money on the mainland? If I tell you to stab somebody and kill them, will you do it in a heartbeat? Are you going to question my motives? Are you going to question the investigation? Your resume that you present to the organization has to look good.

Are you well educated? How many prisons did you run? How many NF members did you take care of as an? and soul. How much money did you put on this NF member's books? Do you acknowledge and respect this NF member? Have you looked out for this NF member? How many people have you deemed no good? How many people's careers have you saved? How many chain of command positions have you held? What have you done to contribute? They're going to ask you a bunch of questions. Most importantly, you got to be ready to kill somebody in order to join that organization. The problem was, is my sally was willing to do that because he

had life. I wasn't ready to take a life in prison to earn that kind of reputation. I was just wanting to be a prison gang leader. I started off as a good one, ended up as a bad one. Is that interesting, though? You didn't want to stab somebody yourself, but you would give orders to go do it. Yeah. Yeah, that's how I really work, dude. I like the leadership positions, but in all essence, like killing somebody and stabbing somebody and risking my whole life for an organization that I knew would have did it to me wasn't worth it. Like I said, for years, I was just trying to be a good leader in accordance to Northennial politics.

But when I started sanctioning the removals, little by little, one after the other, subconsciously started eating at me. Didn't eat me up at the moment because I'll justify it on paper. He violated this. This or his charges. He violated this bond. He's a coward. He does a deserterer.

He's an abandoner. He's an immediate threat. And you justified in your head as much you're, you justified on paper that that was the right call. But just because I made the right call, the next man, I think it was the wrong call. Did you feel morally torn up about it a little bit? Like, did you feel like, you know, aside from just the being disillusioned with the gang, did you feel like this was wrong?

Back then, no, because brainwashed and being indoctrinated with our bonds, it's all I live by. So if the bonds told me that it was justifiable, If the bonds told me he was in violation, then I justified my excuse to have somebody stabbed on the yard. But morally back then, like I couldn't have let it affect me. But it started to, like right before I got hit, like everything was falling into place. Like, bro, whatever you're living for, whatever you're doing,

you know, you're not all the way invested. You're not fully involved. You're starting to see the real thing that this is all just hypocrisy, all propaganda that we're brainwashing each other with. Now that I look back, I remember every name where their neighborhoods from. Their full first and last name. I never told these stories on my own channel because morally, bro, I shouldn't have did that.

I could have saved maybe four out of the seven. Three of them had dry snitching paperwork that, you know, paperwork's paperwork. He snitches, you got to go. Before those other individuals, I could have taught him different if I would have been proper leadership and said, you know what? Since you guys are not correcting them right and he's not learning under your guys' little leadership, bring him over here. I'll teach him because I got experience. leadership skills. I could have did that, but I didn't take the time on my day when I'm over here responsible for 50 lives of 50 northerners that are all trying to program the same. So while

these 49 are doing good, you're the only one doing bad. I'll just get rid of you. And these 49 will go, they'll go about their lives perfect because they've been programming perfect. I could have saved a lot of people. I could have saved people that I didn't even make the calls for. It's just you're trained to say, you know what? Whatever he's getting stabbed for, better him than me. that's the mentality in prison. Did you have goals before you became disillusioned, did you have a goal with moving up in the gang? Like, did you want to get out and have stripes on the street

to help you make more money? Or what was like the end game? I didn't have one, to be honest with you. Because for a long time, before my removal, you learn about politics every day. I study politics every day. I study books every day. I'm observing of the South Siders how they program.

I'm observing how the whites remove each other and their propaganda and why they read Hitler books all day. You couldn't ask me about my future back then. I didn't care because even though I got 15 years and I have a date, there was no promise I was going to make it to that date. So until then I was like, bro,

whatever happens day to day, my daily struggle is the only thing that I have to worry about. I don't know if I'm going to make it home. I don't know if my cellie says, hey, man, me and you got to kill this dude tomorrow. I'm not going to refuse it. That's a coward's way out.

I can't abandon my leadership, but if my sally says, hey, I'll rank you, you need to stab him, I was going to do it. Granted that I never been put in a position because of my leadership positions to say, somebody said, hey, man, you got to go stab this dude for it. You know, I'm blessed and thankful for that, but I didn't have no end goal. I just knew my identity. I knew what the struggle was. And the struggle and the Noreno ideology is we're struggling behind the walls to keep yards,

to maintain yards, to get oppressed, to not get raped and manipulated and hurt and killed. and abused and become somebody's prison, B word. All that, bro. There was so much that I had to deal with. We're thinking about an endgame, thinking about coming home, wasn't in the back of my mind. What about your family?

I didn't ask you about your family. What did they feel about all this? Do you come from gang banging roots? Was your father involved in gangs? Your uncles? What do they feel about the choices you made? My family loves me. They understand what I'm doing now.

Now, back then, they despised everything that I did. I come from a mother that was a beautiful mom. She didn't want this life for me. Dude, she had two jobs. She was a nurse. She raised me ripe. She raised me on good morals and standards. I just came, I just went to the streets and learned it.

Like, my mom taught me about school, taught me about education, taught me how to work hard. I had a stepdad. It was a Pisano that came from Mexico and he worked the farmlands. He used to work this cow farm and pig farm. Disgusting as hell, but. That's how I earned my allowance money when I was a kid. I go clean the cow duckey and clean the pigs and, you know,

clip their teeth. And they taught me everything right. I just, for some reason, like, when I went to the streets just to kick it, I was impressed by gangs. I wanted to be that Chola right there with his, you know, that red rag and I read about with that bad girl on his side with that vehicle and that switches. I was like, bro, that's the life that I want.

Once I joined, you know, my family became the shame to me. my dad my real dad he wasn't a he wasn't a gang member he was a drug dealer and he did it he was a dealer for coke um my uncle was he from mexico or uh no he lives there now but he wasn't there he's he's from california i had an uncle that was a drug dealer a heavy time drug dealer but he changed his life around he's a full-blown christian one of my cousins that got killed by my gang was a part of the same gang as me he gang bang he didn't initially influenced me but once i got into the life he kind of showed me the right way like Like, don't be a coward, don't ever turn down a fight,

you know, fight whoever you need to fight, putting work on South Siders, stuff like that. But he became a family man. They just killed him like seven, ten years later. So really, I made all the decisions and the bad choices to join the gang life only because I was just the product of my environment. Every time I went outside, there was Northerners here, there was northerners there, there was red rags here.

And I just follow suit. Why do you think that gang banging, like, old school Chicano, I want to say old school, I mean, like you look like a 90s gangbanger, but from like L.A. It's like what people associated like Chicano gangs in the 90s with, you know, blown out face and fucking, you know, red ragging and all that shit. That still persists in like the Central Valley, you know, the really poor kind of working class part of California. Do you think it's like watching, you know, the sons and daughters of immigrants watching their parents farming and struggling? Do you think that's what makes people go to the street saying that's not going to be me.

I'm going to get some money. I'm going to have some status. Do you think that's a big part of it? Nah, because, you know, the farming industry in the Central Valley is pretty big, but it's something that we're proud of. We're farmados. We're from the farmlands, bro.

Like, we're, I mean, we represent the Welga Bird, Cesar Chavez. He fought for the farmlands. We're proud of our area. Will we work it? Hell no. Like, I will. You would never see me.

back in the day or now working. But we took that representation of something that was so civil, a civil rights movement, and turned it into a gang. In reality, in the Central Valley, most people gravitate towards gangs because gangs were just deep. It was just a thing to do.

You got to remember, boys in the hood came out, menaces society came out, colors came out, blooding and blood out came out. We created our own gangs. The Norteno identity finally hit the streets, and I've had friends from my own neighborhood whose parents for highly successful, bought their houses, real estate.

We just chose the gang bang. Sometimes we just make these poor choices. We don't need to be influences by our environments or by, you know, should I say the media or poverty. I got so many homies that if they just made the right decision not to join a gang, they would have had the greatest life. But because they wanted to be gang members like me, I didn't have no reason to join a gang.

I just wanted to. My mom raised me right and I still joined a gang. So talk about getting removed. You know, it was kind of building up to this. It's 2012 that you got hit? Yeah, 2012. Yeah, you remember that day? Yeah, I talked about it on my channel.

I talked about it on send mills. I've talked about it everywhere. And I'll never forget it because it was a life-changing experience. Like I said, there was a time where I started thinking that, you know, I'm part of a brotherhood. My brotherhood. The Norteno struggle is totally different. It's what we consider the most. movement. Noesta

Familia members, they were just getting too aggressive. They're always like, oh, you need to do this and we need this money. We need a package. We need J-Pays. We need you guys to bring in drugs to make us money. And then I was under investigation where I was like, bro, I got my own things to deal about. Like, you all can reach the conclusions that you guys want. What are you under investigation for?

Just like I said, freelancing, going rogue, making money, not reporting when I was in out of state. So you were under investigation from your own clique, your own gang, not the prison? No, I was in an investigation. by the ANF members that I was answering to. So when I got to California, my brothers, two of my brothers,

one was from Oakland, the other one from San Jose, where are the investigation? So they were keeping me updated. And then I was just like, I already gave them my answers, bro. Like, I don't know how many times I can say that answer different ways.

If they don't like my answers, bro, they can make the decisions. But where are brotherhood? We're the ones running these yards. They're the ones just profiting off these yards. So I started gaining this mentality where like, bro, I don't got an answer to these.

these dudes, you guys are incarcerated in Pelican Bay and Corcoran Su, you guys put your guys as selves there, you guys are your guys as own entity, you guys have your own struggles, your own fighting, your own war to deal with. Let me fight mine out here and secure these yards because right now we're about to go to war with the Southerners. Now they reached the conclusion that I was being arrogant, that I was becoming abusive with my power, that I stole money from them because I didn't report my money to them or they never got the money that I sent to them, which should have been, I think it was a like a couple of, a couple of thousand bucks that they were asking for, which I had it on my books, I could easily be like,

well, if that's the case here, I could J-pay it to you or, you know, take it off my books, send it to your family, you can keep the money. It was all about the concept that I became a rogue, Nortenao, a renegade for not answering to them. But I felt like that, I was like, bro, you guys don't even consider as brothers. You guys consider each other brothers. The same way I consider my brothers, my brothers. We're two different entities, so I shouldn't really be answered. I don't have to answer to you. I just got to keep you updating. they didn't like that mentality. And so when they got out my cellie,

they let them know that I had to go. In reality, the removal was to blast me off the yard so I can go to Corcoran Shoe and they can have me under investigation right then and there so they can ask me questions instead of three-waying it through a letter. It didn't work, though, because I wound up being under investigation

after getting blasted, and they still released me back to the man. I didn't even go to Corcoran Shoe. He did. So they were just really just questioning him now. So overall, it was like, it was a mail call We were getting mail. I got a letter for some childhood girlfriend of mine that I was like,

never thought I'd ever talk to again. I was on love with when I was a child. And he was like, hey, bro, we're on lockdown. We got paperwork in here. We got knives in here. We got drugs in here. We need to get rid of eight food because they're going to come harass us. They're going to lock us down. They're going to come search us and they're going to identify us as gang leadership. How long had you been with this cellie for? Oh, about a year. You guys are friends.

Friends, dude. Like, I hooked them up with family, hooked them up with girls. Like I got so much good memories with that dude And he was one of my best training officers Like he taught me everything I needed to know about The Noreno politics Like he took my education and my personal experience To another level

So like we had a different bond From what I thought Yeah And so he tells me we got to extract it So what do I do I get on the toilet I had a bunch of documents and paperwork and drugs And a six inch piece in my rectum

So I drop it all clean it, you know, wash up, I put it in a brown paper bag, and I fish it down the tier. And I was like, you got yours ready? He's all, yeah. So I go, I put my hand back and I'm like, hey, let me get your weapon so I can fish it down a tear. And that's when he started telling me, A4, I just got this. Because when he got the letter is when I got the letter from that girl.

So he had got a letter. So I didn't trip that he was down there on the letter, like decrypting it. And then he's sitting there quiet, like, oh, crap, I didn't catch it. I seen it, but I didn't catch it. So I'm reading my letter and I'm thinking he just got a bad letter. He's like, hey, I just got a letter from Mondo. Mando was an NF member that recently got killed in a high desert by a couple years ago. He was our regiment commander.

He's from Delano. He's like, full Mando said, you got to go. So I look at him and I'm like, what do you mean I got to go, bro? He's like, yeah, that investigation, you know, they're saying you're deemed no good, bro. You got to go. And I'm like, seriously, bro? Like, you're going to listen to them over me. Like, you're out here with me every day for the last past two years, bro.

We've been to sell these for a year. You've seen what we've been going through. You've seen the wars we've been going at. They just literally flatlined four homeboys and put them in the hospital, sent them to the hospital, and you're going to sit here and worry about what they have to say when we're about ready to go to war. Big old argument, big old debate.

And he just kept saying, like, fool, you got to go, fool you got to go. And I was like, bro, you're supposed to be my brother. We're from the same brotherhood. They're their own brothers, bro. You're supposed to stand by my side. And that's when he goes better than me. And I've never forgot that saying.

Ever since then When he said better to you than me He swung the piece And he hit me on the top of the head I got this scar Right across that's why I covered it With tattoos I got the scar across my head

What kind of piece was it? His I see The piece that I sent down the tier Was a box staple mix With plastic His was like It was like a metal flat Just a tip that we made

Into like this little triangular tip And then put plastic on it Melted it So it hurt pretty bad But after so many hits It just dented It was dull after that So he hit me the first time when it was sharp.

Split it. I backed up, hit the door. Blood came down. He rushed me again. So that's how I got my fingers slide up, slit open. Because when he swung it, I tried to catch it. And the blade just went across my fingers, cut my fingers open. He kept hitting me.

That's when he put my teeth on my lips, cut up my lip. And then at the last moment when he hit me right here and he sliced this open is when I was able to catch his hand. And I just held on for dear life while he socked me in the face. And he kept socking me in the face. And finally he gassed out. I let him go. I got rid of the weapon because I wasn't going to get in trouble for this. And I didn't want him either.

So he's at the back of the desk, you know, just dry heaving and trying to catch us there. I flushed the toilet. I'm trying to clean up the blood. And now they decided to run showers hella early. And the cops came and seen blood everywhere. I was trying to clean it. And that was it. So we were both under investigation.

They didn't find the weapon because I broke it down and flushed it. They just seen me well blood. You're an honorable guy. So you didn't try to stab him back? Not, I'm the victim here, so I'm like, I don't even know how to conduct myself right now. I'm like, damn, bro, I'm like, this fool really tried to kill me in the cell. Why am I getting stabbed? What conclusion did they reach in Corkman's shoe that made them want to do this?

Like, everything was in my head, but most important, I was like, bro, if I can get away with it, maybe I can sit down with them, but like, hey, fool, you need to ignore that letter. You need to just undermine what they're saying, bro, right now is not the time to go fight each other when the southerners probably want to kill us. I couldn't do none of that. I was just thinking too much for where I was like... You're in shock, too. I was in shock, and I never seen so much blood come out of my own body before. So I'm like, man, like, I'm just bleeding across my face.

And the cops seen it, pressed the button, took me to medical. Then I went to the hole for a little bit. So when I got to the holes, when I sat there on a bunk in the dark for days, and I was like, damn, what's next? Like, if they stabbed me once, they're going to stab me again. So I was able to talk to my celly back there, and I was able to talk to the authority in charge and the ad seg. I was second command on the yard, but since I'm not on the yard no more, I hold no positions.

I'm just a regular North Daniela status now. So I'm just going through the whole protocols of answering in. Is that normal? Like you're a victim of violence, but they treated you like you committed the violence. Is it normal when you get stabbed to get sent to ADSEG? Yeah, because they still got to put you in investigation. The administration wants to know why you got stabbed. They want to know if you want to stay, you want to go, you're willing to tell on your

gang, you want to save your life. They have to conduct their own investigation. And I just found it funny that they already knew the circumstances. They were already aware of the letter that got to myself in the first place. They had copies of it. And I'm like, bro, this was new that I had it coming and they let it happen.

Wow. But sometimes that's necessary so they can get somebody like myself to turn on the gang. Hopefully that I survive it. Yeah. Well, I wound up surviving it and I wasn't like being deprived of rights or nothing. I still get my property because I'm the victim.

I'm not in there for disciplinary. So did your Selly go to ADSEG and get charged? Yeah, he got charged. But he didn't get charged until like eight months. The investigation was because they found no weapon. They didn't find nothing of the sorts other than a copy of the letter and me bleeding. And the medical report saying I had lacerations

and I needed this and this and that. So eventually eight months later, he got charged with assault with a deadly weapon. I wound up getting kicked back to the yard. And once I got beat up by my cellie again is when I finally said, you know what, enough's enough. And I told this story on YouTube. There was the homie I was telling you about. He was from San Jose.

I mean, his name was Listo from Palmas. And I was talking to him the second time I got removed. And I'm like, damn, bro, like, is it for me? I'm like, it's over? And he was like, bro, you go to corker and shoot, bro. They're going to kill you. He's like, your career's done. Fool, like, just let it go, bro.

Like, they already tried to hit you twice. And I don't know why I believe doing it. because I had put him under investigation. I was trying to really get him killed on the yard. And that's how politics worked. Like, I literally had that dude under investigation for eight months. And when he got snatched up on prison validation, I submitted a report to Corker Shoo, like, hey, bro,

deemed his dude no good. Kill him when you get back there. And he's literally across the tier for me telling me like, hey, bro, go save yourself. Don't worry about getting killed. And in the back of my head, I take his advice. I'm like, you know what? I'm done, bro.

I'm done. I'm going to save myself. And I didn't even have the decency to say, hey, bro, just so you know you got something coming when you go to Corker's shoe. Like, I let him go to Corkman Shoe. Did they get him? No, I never heard that they did. I didn't hear that I did. How didn't you kill somebody in the shoe when everybody's isolated? The same way.

If you look up, you know, High Mel Suna, that would kill this Selle and Corkin's shoe, cut his head off, ripped his heart out. You get metal. You get access to trays that you can scrape and melt. In most effective ways, just grab your sheet, braid it up nice until a little. rope and strangle somebody. Okay, so it's the Selly on Selly. You have Sellon Selly, but we make a lot of cuff keys out of inhalers. We can make a cuff key and come out the handcuffs, but you're more likely if you're

going to kill somebody in Corcoran Shoe or in Pelican Bay, it's going to be by your Selly. That's the best way to do it. Him, whoever would have been in Selly, would have been obligated to kill him. And I just thought that was the worst part about me in my life was that, like, I'm literally trying to get this dude killed and he's literally telling me, hey, bro, I want to I don't want to see you get killed, bro, just hang it up. And I never gave you that full of decency to say, hey, bro, just so you know, since I'm going to check out, I wrote this report on you, you might get killed.

I just left it alone. And that's how politics really turn you into a scandalous person. Do you regret that? Oh, yes, to this day. I've had, I don't know, maybe two years on YouTube telling these stories. And the more that I tell them and the more that I think about them, the more I start to see, you know, the person that I was, how scoundless I was, how, how, how, how, how, politics messed me up mentally where I've been out four years. I still haven't recovered from

prison politics. I still think a certain way. I still don't regret things when I should be regretting them. I'm learning to regret them. And there's a lot of shame in my story. There's a lot of shame in my personality. There's a lot of shame in my past tense. Even though I do tell them on YouTube for the entertainment purposes of others, because ever people wanted to hear them, and obviously the financial gang to take care of my family. But deep down, bro, I'm just a prime example of how scannis we become in prison and changing from that and learning from that like i still haven't learned nothing yet i'm still trying to change everything i'm still trying to become this better person maybe this is like my way of venting it out getting it out and learning about myself even better

okay so after you dropped out do you have to do you submit a letter to corcoran or to other administrators or did they just does everybody just hear that oh okay jay is a dropout oh no How do you go about dropping out a gang like that? Oh, well, first your people are going to deem you no good. They're going to circulate the filter and your name is going to be placed on a B&L. It's called a bad news list. Well, there's a bad news list for just regular northerners that dropped out. Degenerates.

They're called degenerates and bondidos. Then you have the NGN, which is a no good, North a thanios, which is somebody that's powerful. That filter is basically going to say, like, be careful with this dude. This dude has knowledge and training of our own people. he can kill some of our own people. Then you have the NF dropouts. That's the term that really dropouts is for NF members, Mexican mafia, big organizations.

They have their own lists where they circulate. So the people would advise all the facilities of what's going on and what's taking place. Me, once they realize that I got removed twice and I told the cop like, yeah, I'll go S&Y, bro. I ain't going to go back to the main line no more. I had to go to committee. Committee is going to be a warden, assistant warden,

a gang coordinator, your counselor. mental health person and like two other people, I think a translator that, you know, types everything up. And it was the warding at this time. He was like, so you're going to check in? Are you sure about it this time? Because the first time I told him, like, I ain't talking, I ain't saying shit.

I don't want to talk to you guys. I'm good. I'm like, send me back to my people. You know, I was real arrogant, like this little Billy badass. Like, I said, what I got stabbed? What are you going to do about it? To going into the second time humbled. Like, damn, bro.

Like, my people are going to kill me. They hate me, dude. Like, I'm the hated person right now. So he was like, you sure this time? You want to go S&Y? And I was like, yeah. He goes, are you willing to sign this paper? And I said, yeah.

The paper is a classification chrono. And you sign it and it pretty much says you're disassociating yourself from your gang. And you're going to go to S&Y. You're never going to join a gang again. So I signed that paper and I submitted it. And they made me wait in the hole for a little while because they wanted to see if I'm really genuine about it. So, you know, they have cops monitoring me, see if I'm still talking to active gang members and stuff like that.

And, no, it took about a couple months, and I wound up getting transferred to D-Y-Y-R, and I walked into a damn gang war zone. Right. I wasn't on the tier 10 minutes when I seen a fool get thrown off that tier. And I was like, damn, what is, what's going on here? What prison was this? This was inside F. There was New Corcoran. It was D-Yard. Okay. It was De-Yard. Oh, so you're close to the higher-ups of the NF because they're in the Corcoran shoe. They're in Corcoran shoe, old Corcoran. This is the new facility. This is where they had like that dude that plays like Tony Stark in the movie. That's where he went.

That was the new prison. They're two different prisons. Tony Stark, you're talking about Robert Downey Jr? Yeah, he was in New Corcoran. He was in that prison. He must have been in the minimum. Yeah, he was a low level. Every cop that every cop I've ever met, I always talked about.

Like, you know Robert Downey Jr. was here? So what, bro? I don't even know who that for me. years ago. So there's new Corcoran and then there's Old Corcoran. Old Corcoran is what Corcoran's shoes at with a Gladiator Days ran. New Corcoran is called Side-F. It's a substance abuse treatment facility.

It's a newer facility. So I just went from one yard, C-yard to D-yard to right next door. So it sounds like it's worse than Old Corcoran. Yeah, it's pretty bad. Like you got to worry about anybody willing to stab anybody. You had like five S&Y gangs there that were deep. And when I mean deep, I mean like the two fivers are like 50 deep. Sapatistas were like 30 deep.

Northern riders were like 30 deep. Then you had independent riders, 20 deep. And these dudes are going to war like every other week. Kicking it off five on five, slicing each other's face. I seen a dude get his eyes sliced up. His name was Joe. He was a two-fiber from Southern California. Get his eyes.

He was just drunk, disrespecting. And dude didn't even hesitate. He walked up to his homie cell and said, Give me a razor blade. Gave him a razor blade. Wacked up to do it and just ripped his eyes right there with a razor blade. Now, he didn't lose his eyes, but one of the eyes was pretty messed up. Like, it looked like it was kind of closed a little bit, kind of off.

I started seeing like crazy violence there. I seen a sex offender get his teeth ripped out his mouth. And for a while, before I even joined the S&Y gang, I was like, what the fuck kind of prison is this? Like, what is this? Like, we're supposed to be non-gang members. Who is hell? We're supposed to be all we're approaching. programming and dude these dudes acting like worse than mainliners just killing each other left and right

Maybe that's the reason the prison gangs are created to to try to rein in some of that chaos and now without the structure This is what happens that's a good point because It's funny though everybody that went to S&Y that I've ever talked to that was a SNY gang member because I was a Northern Rider from my last seven years Before I until I got onto YouTube and everything took place I I used to trip out. I'm like, bro, like, why? We all didn't want to be part of our gangs no more or we got removed and stab our own people.

You thought we would have learned our lesson. We're just so stuck in his lifestyle, bro. It's hard to abandon it. These dudes didn't want to quit gang banging. But the truth of the matter is, is a lot of these dudes couldn't become prison gang leaders. Just like myself,

I became a prison gang leader on the main line. I earned a certain ranker status, but I never made it to the top. I wasn't at the highest pinnacle of my career. So going over there, after it getting it took from you, it's like you can recreate that same power. And I think that's what everybody was doing for. Everybody wants to be their own prison gang leader now.

Yeah, right. Yeah, it's almost like the AAA baseball of the gang leaders. Yeah. And now you can be the big dog in like a small pond. In a small clique, but I trip out, like the sense of power that you can create from a prison gang. Right. I've seen dudes on the S&Y look way more powerful than the dudes on the mainline.

Just the way they have staffs on the payroll. Just the way they have women bringing in drugs. Just how much money. There was his one dude named Puerto Rican Pups. He used to be an ex-NF member. He used to kick it with Northern Riders. He was from Hayward. Dude had Rolexes on his hands, on his wrist.

He had Jordans, different Jordans, every weekend at visit. He literally bought a correctional officer, a boat, made a correction. He, him alone made $100,000 a year of drug sales off the yard. His daughter was rich. He paid his daughter's businesses, paid for her school

and everything to get her business degrees and start her own business. That's how much money he would make. He had some of the biggest gold chains I seen on the yard, and the CEOs knew it. All off dope, sold in prison. He was the first person I seen to bring Fetnawing.

He was the very first person to introduce me to Fetnaw. I didn't know what it was. He was like, look, bro, if you hit that, and if you slam that dope, be careful. And I was like,

shut the hell up. I already been slamming heroin for like two years. I'm like, what was it going to do to me? But the moment I put it in the spoon, I was like, maybe I might take his advice.

And I did a pebble of that. And I couldn't control myself for eight hours. I just nodded. I sweated. And I was like, dude, whatever that was,

that was powerful. I gave that stuff away. And I just like, I'd rather have regular black heroin than that. Okay. Tell us about the introduction of fentanyl into California prisons.

What year was that? This was 2014. This was 2014. This one, I met Puerto Rican Pups was 2014. When I first seen it, it wasn't coming around often. He had access to it. But it was around 2016, 2017 is when it hit big.

And people became more addicted to that because it was a stronger high. See, I could do regular heroin. I could do a quarter of a gram of heroin. And I'll be cool. I'll be high. But then it fades away. Then I'm going to do another quarter. Then I'm going to do another quarter.

just to get the high that I want, you take a quarter of Fetano, we can get the whole tier high and we're going to be high about the same amount as it takes for me to slam a grandma heroin. So when people seen that, they were like,

bro, why do we want this drug that's going to cost me $400 to get the same high when this can cost me $50 and I'll be 10 times as higher as this? And I just watched people OD left and right, OD left and right.

One dude, my neighbor, he ODed and it was disgusting. Like, he didn't know what to do. do. So when I came out to use my phone, he was like, hey, bro, come here. Hey, look at my cellie fool. He's gone. And I looked at his cellie. His cellie was from Riverside. I remember that. And he just had one eye closed, the other one half open. His eye looked like pale, milky white. And he had his tongue sticking out. And he was just drooling and he was just stuck there.

And he was like, bro, I think he's Odean. Bro, what am I supposed to do? I'm like, bro, wake him up. Do something? Kick the damn door. You just going to let him die there because if your celly overdoses and he dies in your cell, you get convicted of that murder. because you didn't do nothing. So I'm telling him like, bro, you might want to call, bro. And I would never forget that's face. Like, that was the first dude I seen overdose off fentanyl. And now that's most of the calls I get from prison now from a lot of people.

Like, hey, the homie died off fentanyl. He OD off fentanyl. He overdid offence. But everybody loves fentanyl. They can't turn it down because it's so addicting and so powerful to be high on. So that's really pushed heroin to the side. Nobody wants heroin no more. So that's regular black.

So that's what the. the hustlers and the guys like Puerto Rican pup are bringing in. Yeah. The whatever, you got a, you got to supply. Are they starting to mix it to reduce the ODs? Like, do you think they even take that into consideration? It's whatever you can get a hold of on the streets. So say if you have a connect and say, for example, like, are you hear it on a tier?

Like, man, my foods want to get on a good one. They want to get high. They want to get lit. They want to get tweaked out. All right. I'm going to call my connect on the streets. He can easy to tell you, hey, fool, like, I got something, but it's cut with so we can make it 10 times more stronger the high.

All right. Bring it in. They don't care. They just want to be super high. And the more I keep people high, the more money I'm going to gain. If the next week they're like, bro, we want some heroin, bro.

We want to chill. Well, then I'll go get some heroin. That's cut with fentanyl. Bring it in. No, everybody's drug addicts in jail. Nobody's going to turn down no drugs. Even if they, even if they have the idea that it might kill you,

people need to get high. So sounds like the shock caller would hear the demand first and then go get it. Yeah. Depending on what cats wanted to do. Yeah. There was times I'd bring in, I'd bring in crystal meth for like three months and I'd make money off three months.

I think if there's drugs on the yard, people are going to buy it. If you don't got heroin, they're not going to buy it. So. Is everybody slamming the fentanyl? Yeah. They're slamming it. That's the best way to get high. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, you're wasting it, smoking it. I slammed it for my last past eight years of my prison term. Needles are the drug addiction. of choice. So like I said, I could bring in Crystal Med for like three months and then I would just go to the yard and everybody's like, bro, I'm tired of being tweaked out. I'm tired of being tweaked out for like 10 days and not eating. I want to get, I want to get high of heroin. I want to go swimming with a dragon. I'm like, all right. I'll call my girl. At the time, my home girl,

I'm like, hey, food, bring me an ounce of black. Here's, here's a thousand bucks. Get a cool little connect for 800 and then I'll make you like $3,000 and I'll keep the rest of the money. She'd be like, cool. And I'll bring in heroin and I watch everybody come by and just and buy the dope off me before the weekend's over. Cool. I made all my money. I got five grams for myself

so I can get high on for all week. Gave my home girl three grand. I'm going to collect all this money off the tier. Just supply and demand, whatever the yard wants. How are you getting it in? I'd go to visit and I'd swallow them balloons in the beginning. And then after a while,

I started bringing them in through like my anal cavity. I can hoop it. But there was a time where I didn't even have to do either or I'd either have a bisonic will bring it in or I drop it off in the visiting bathroom and I have the visiting porter come bring it to me and I'll give him like five grams and I'll have like 22 grams for myself.

But then there was a principle that we knocked and sat-ev and she didn't even know it. We were just using the mail system. I put two cell phones and a zip of dope in the mail make it look like it was an educational book and I'll be like, Toma Sully, if we'll go past the books out,

he'll grab the book, see that it was from my address, open the book, put the two cell phones, and the dope up his butt and the cell phones on the side, pass the rest of the books out for the principal, come back to my cell every Tuesday and Thursday. And that's how we were doing it. And that worked? It worked for eight months until we got busted.

So they would cut, the people on the outside would cut pages out of the book and then put the dope and the cell phones inside. Put the book back into order and then send it. Like you literally had to buy the book like at Barnes & Noble's, take it home, gut it out, put everything in it, tape it. Go back to Barnes & Noble's,

but go with like it already, boxed up and stamped and tell Barnes and Noble's or whoever you order the books from, hey, can you mail this to this address right here? And then it goes straight to the mail. And because it was going through the educational department, CDCR didn't feel like they had a screening. So they're like, oh, this is for education. So they made it all the way to her office.

And then she tells the clerk, which was Marcelli, like here, pass these books out, they go to these different teachers. He goes through the books and sees like, or this is the address from Tularee, opens up the book, takes it out, brings it. And we did that for eight months. And so we got busted, but she kind of got busted, but she was unaware that we were doing it. So she didn't get charged for it, but they still had her investigation for it. Did you guys get charged?

No, we didn't get charged because they knew about it from the yard, everybody that was telling on us. But all they caught was cell phones with me and my cellie. So that's not a charge. That's a quick little year time ad on your prison sands. They didn't catch us with drugs. I had all the drugs hoop when they caught it. They just caught my phone. I broke the phone, broke the SIM cards,

so they didn't see, like, the transactions I was making with Cash App and Western Unions. What kind of phones were there and there? There was sometimes we were bringing in flip-open phones. Sometimes there were touch screens, the older generations, sidekicks or whatever they were called. Most of the time, like me and my celly had our own phones, the Obama phones.

Anybody else that we did a deal with, say if I say, hey, bro, you want to use my route, you can bring in two phones, just bring in a zip of dope. I'll keep the zip of dope. You keep the two phones because phones are far more important. So whatever phones, their family provided them with, I'm just like, here, here's your two phones. Hey, I got the zip of dope.

And they'd be like, all right, cool, can I get high? I'm like, yeah, 500. Give them some dope. They're on their high on their phones talking to their old ladies all night. And I'm just making money. So I really just pimped out out that pipeline so other people on the yard so we can all have phones. It's like a drug route in the free world. Yeah.

That's a route. The route is through the educational department. And this professor, the lady who wants. works there who doesn't even know that she's helping move the shit in she didn't know for eight months and poor lady man because she was older and my cellie told me when he came back he was like bro they had her like stripped out butt naked against the wall dude like and i said we sat there and felt guilty i was like poor grandma bro that could have been our grandma bro but then we're like hey we still got our phones and dope we made like thousands of dollars i'm talking about an ounce of dope every

week for eight months me and him were slamming like 10 grams to each other just by ourselves of dope making so much money. You make a thousand bucks off an ounce? No, no. We can make five grand off an ounce. We can make hell a lot. It depends how I bleed it. Like, sometimes I give like five people a deal.

Here's three grams for 500. Collect all that money. Okay, the rest of the dope, I'm going to split it up four ways, sell it for some canteen, put some money on my books, and then I'll save whatever's left and I'll just get high for the rest of the week because I was able to do it every week. But that's how it became a drug addict bad because I was strung out for eight months. Yeah. And they hurt like hell to be a drug addict.

Right. Yep. Doing a lot of heroin. Were you sucked up? Because you're a big guy, but were you sucked up? I was skinny. I got a picture of my phone when I was on heroin and I took a picture in it. I was bad.

Dude, I had track marks everywhere. I still got the scars where I try to cover it up with tattoos. That was probably the, you know, I joined gangs my whole life. I always wanted to be a gang leader and a gang member. I never thought a millionaire as I'd call myself a heroin addict. That's probably what I'm most shame about in my life is that. Dude, I fed my veins for a long time. I was a slave to the needle forever.

And I think that's the hardest part about coping with societies that I've been sober since 2018, not even a beer. And I hate it. I fiend for drugs every day more than I fiend for the gang life. And it's like, dude, I got to battle that every day. So I stay busy with, like, YouTube and working 12s and doing podcasts. As long as I have the distraction, do I don't have the time to sit there and think about my drug habit and my drug life and what it was like to be. high every day to escape realities. But prison pretty much messed me up with the gang life and the drug life. I'm just one of those dudes that had an addictive personality. If I was addicted to gangs,

I was addicted to drugs. That's wild. And the corruption of the staff, too, you know, you had spoken about that off camera. Can you talk about that a little bit? You always have cops that exert their powers a little too much. That's why you see a lot of Southerners go to wars with the cops. I've seen a cop that was in Salinas Valley State prison that I heard about that for five grand he'll give you a shoebox and you have to fill it up with whatever you want. You can bring in phones, dope, whatever it is that you need. You got cops like that.

To actually people is probably the worst prison for me because them cops literally will open your door and beat the fuck out of you. And I was so scared of that. I've seen, you know, it's cool to be a man and a thug and jail and want to poke people. And, you know, you're willing to go to war with this. this inmate or stab this inmate, get into a knife fight with this inmate. But when you got these bodybuilding cops opening your door, it's terrifying. You're like, you forget that you're a man still.

And, like, I've seen dudes break it down. I've seen dudes get beat up. The worst one I've seen was, like, they hog tied this dude. And they put, like, this net around his face. So they taped his mouth shut so he, because I guess so he wouldn't spit or scream. So they taped his mouth shut, put the net around his face, hog tied him where his arms were behind his back and his legs were tied to his arms,

dragged them across the whole yard during the snow while they kicked them and punched him. And then threw him in the medical tank and kicked them and punched them and left them hogtight for hours while they sprayed him. So he has his mouth covered. He's breathing through his nose.

He sprayed through this net. Dude, you know how hard it is to breathe during getting sprayed? Like most of the time you're like, you're using your lungs, your mouth to breathe a little bit better because your nose can't breathe in. And they literally taped his mouth shut and made him breathe it through his nose, which would only burn his nose,

would have made him sneeze, which would have clogged his nose. And they beat him up like that. And that was probably one of the most scariest things I seen a cop really do. And I'm like, bro, I would never get into it with a cop. I would always respect him. If I felt like he was going that route,

I'm like, you know what, this is a losing battle. There was, the FBI got involved. The FBI was passing out these little numbers you can call if you wanted to report a cop that was being corrupt because these guys were known for beating inmates. They would drag them into snow, pissing the snow, then throw the inmates' face in that snow of piss and leave them there butt naked for four hours. It was corrupt for years since the FBI got involved.

That's how corrupt the correctional officers can become. Yeah, they're basically like gang members themselves, just on the other side of the badge. Yeah, they do operate like that. Like you hear about like L.A. Sheriff's Department, the Bonditos, you hear about stuff like that. I mean, they had the green wall for years, even though that got broken up because of the Gladiator days. but believe it or not, when I tell you, when the cops band together, they'll band together. And it's a fearful thing to live by when I've seen CEOs literally like,

oh, you want to talk shit, you got something to say? And you'll hear a dumb email like, yeah, it's because you got a badge fool. All right, then, and you'll see the cop just hit the top of the door. The tower cop opening. He goes, I ain't wearing that badge no more and just take off his gear and just start beating this in a cell. You hear the inmate getting slammed on the desk on his bunk, screaming, what can you do?

You're just in the cell like, I'm glad I ain't mean. me. And that's how they teach a lot of M.A.'s lessons, like, bro, we're going to win this. Because if you hit me, I'm going to press charges on you. Right. So I'm going to go in there and beat the hell out of you. You're not going to do nothing about it. And even if you do hit me back, I got about three or four COs that are right here with batons that are going to beat you, not write a report about it, shut the door and you're going to sit in that cell all day just beat up.

And what can you really do? Because if you're 6-0-2, it, it goes through the mail. So who do you think has to read it? My coworker, my tower copping, what do you think he's going to do with this? It was just hard for years. That's crazy. You couldn't fight corruption. That's crazy. Yeah, that's what Hector Bravo, your friend and our friend who's been on the show, is he's kind of dedicated his online presence to kind of trying to expose these corrupt pig officers in the California State system because it's bad.

I would say this, though, you know, there's a lot of corruption. they have their own, like, but you got to remember, a lot of these cops, their job is prison. They kind of like follow our politics a little bit. The way we politic against each other, they politic on each other. I think they're just stuck in this environment where that's what they learned it from. So they apply to themselves, but not all cops are corrupt. I will say this. I've met some good cops that were respectful, won't even cross that line with you.

You know, I've talked to a lot of correctional officers when it comes to my YouTube content that are real respectful, that I understand what I'm doing, understand that I'm anti-gangs now, that don't get into trouble. But it's the corrupt cops that we talk about more and pay attention to. But it's not universal. It's just certain facilities like Salinas Valley, high desert, old corkering,

and places like Tahitp, where there's always going to be a bad apple in the bunch. There's always going to be that one corrupt cop that'll get away with it or does it excessively and brings heat to the correctional officers. Those are the ones you really got to worry about. I think his sense of corruption is like the way they treat each other, the way they overpower each other, the way they do each other dirty and deprive each other. There's like different forms of corruption when it comes to correctional officers. So you're strung out, you're making a bunch of money, but you're pissing most of it up your arm. Yeah.

How long into your bid is this when you're at New Corcoran? This was a-2013 up until 2020. Okay. I was a heroin addict. If I wasn't fighting on the yard, I was getting high on the yard. Yeah. So, and when did you get out? When did you, did you parole or did you do day for day?

No, I paroled. I maxed out my whole 15 years. And I paroled with, you know, two strikes over my head. I paroled in 2020. Wow. And once I knew I was coming home, I kicked the drug habit. Took about six to eight days of me throwing up on myself, dry heaving, diarrhea, body shakes, pains, eggs, but I fought it.

I fought it for a long time. Thank God I was in the hole to fight it and I was single cell so nobody's seen it really. Once I fought it off, I did my push-ups, I did my burpees. I got my body feeling a little bit better. And then I got sober. So the day I paroled, I told myself, like, I'm not going to do that again. Like, I'm free now. Like, I don't want to throw nothing away anymore.

The only mistakes that I made when I got out was I came out to the streets, started gang-banging, becoming a YouTuber as much as hated as I am became a little bit more worse I started gang banging with my old neighborhoods the northerners that I once used to be a part of YouTube made it a lot more difficult for me you're back to Lerry did you go back to Lerre? I went back to Vasilia which is next order to Larry so I'm beefing on the streets I'm doing music videos with guns in it I'm disrespecting other gang members I'm you know I'm bringing my S&Y gang ideologies to the streets gang banging all over social media with it so I got myself into some trouble into some altercations that, you know, I regret that could have got me in trouble.

But I didn't bring my drug addiction home. And to this day, no drugs, been sober. I don't even like to be around environments where there is beer. I would just excuse myself and dismiss myself and be like, okay, then you guys are going to have fun. It's my time to go. I'll go do something different. It's been a hard battle because everybody drinks. People smoke.

People like to smoke weed nowadays since it's illegal. Me, I just, I can't see myself around it no more. I feel like it's just going to lure me back into where I'm going to want to go back to the spoon. So I don't do it no more. So you continue gangbanging, even though you were just done 15. Yeah. What do you mean? Like criminal activity or you're just making, you know, gang banging on YouTube?

No, I wasn't really gang banging on YouTube. I joined a click on the S&Y, which was Northern Riders, which was within resistance to the Norteno aspects in which I felt like I was abandoned. So it was a lot of resentment and hatred and all that. I gang banged on the streets. I used to like throw up riders, throw up bunnies on social media and I would disrespect Northerners. I would get into it with Northerners.

I was sleeping with some Northerners, old ladies or their baby mamas and I was instigating a lot of situations. I was doing disc songs on YouTube about it. Like one of my biggest songs right now I was like rabbit season. I was disrespecting Northerners, went to their hood,

did a music video with guns. And I think in that music video, I showcased like his baby mama butt naked in it. Like I was being rude and disrespectful, bro. I was really, just being a stupid kid. And it stirred up a lot of emotions to where I was getting caught slipping.

They were shooting at me. I was shooting at them. And things escalated too far. When I got onto YouTube, I still was a Northern Rider. That didn't work out for me. I got politic by my own people because they thought that I was becoming too successful

and that I was taking it over and I was starting my own gang. There's a lot of history behind that. And it was until my son was born when I was like, bro, what am I doing? I'm like 35 years old. I'm gang banging.

I'm representing it on YouTube. I'm doing this songs. I'm trying to be this. I'm trying to be that. And then, like I said, once I had my son, dude, like my whole perspective changed. That little kid has humbled me in so many ways

where I'm like, I don't want to be involved in that life. I don't even want my son to even know about it. I just want to work. I just want to do YouTube. I just want to give my son the best life that he's ever had. I just want him to love his dad. And that's what it took. Sadly, if it wasn't for my son being bored,

I probably would have got smart. I was destined to get smoked. The route I was going, the way I was gangbanging, somebody would have killed me. But once my son was born, it's like, nah, I walk with precaution. I understand that I'm the most hated YouTuber out there because of my content, because I talk about anti-gangs and anti-this. But there's a strong message behind it. I'm just trying to show people like, you guys think gangbanging is cool.

You guys encourage the kids to be gang members. You guys condone what these gang kids are doing on. But you guys are not teaching them what it's like. You guys are not teaching them about the politics, how we can turn off. on each other, how it's not doing nothing for our communities, how these prison ganglators don't give a damn about your kids. I do that in all aspects, which made me even more of a target. But I did it for a good reason.

It took a while for me to change the narrative and my approach to YouTube. And I've done so and I became this successful. But now I just look at it like, I could have thrown my life away in so many ways, but thankfully I had a son. Wow. That's my biggest, that's my biggest strive right now. I was just raising a great kid. You imagine if you had a son at 13, like most Mexicans, you could have avoided all of this, dude.

Like most Mexican? That was deep. Dude. Well, congratulations, man. I mean, that's, you know, and you moved out. I don't know if you can tell people where you live. You've moved out of California. Yeah, I moved out of California.

I'm in a safe environment. I'm in a place where I ain't got to worry about gangs for 100 miles and I can raise my son to be a little country boy. I'm listening to country music and be raised by it. cows and horses and I love it I love my peace I love my serenity but I love the non-interruptions

I can raise my son just raise my son and you're working and you're doing well on YouTube yeah this is great tell us about tell us about it

some of the people who don't know where can they find it and what do you do on there I'm 59J renegade media on YouTube I've been telling my personal prison experiences

for the first year I talk about a lot of these prison organizations Noesra familia since I'm a former Northenio. I just break down prison politics, gang politics. I became a voice for those in prison. A lot of people reach out to me and give me like, hey, this how happened on the yard or this big homie did this or this and that.

I usually just share that information with the public. As much as everybody thinks it snitching and it's not supposed to be on YouTube, everything's available on YouTube. You can learn how to make a bomb on YouTube. So I do that in a sense to show this kids that I was ganged, banging at a time, but nobody told me, hey, bro, you go down this route, you're going to go to prison. I just did it. And when I went to prison,

I'm like, well, hey, you're in prison. You just see everything there's a glorification on YouTube. Everybody's like, oh, man, this gangbanger did this or this gangbanger said this about this. So every time I do a video about some gang aspect, I always try to turn it into a positive message as well, if you would have did it this way, or if you stopped thinking like this, or maybe if we teach our generation to do this, things could change, things

could be doing different. I'm only out to save the next generation from going down path that I did. The problem was I wasn't educated to know anything different. I do better. So I'm going to show these kids, all, all, you want a gang bang? This is what it looks like. This is how many years you're going to face. This is how much time you're going to be looking at. This is what you're going to be forced to do when you go to prison. This is what you have to worry about when it comes to your homies. I just approached it from a different approach. Everybody wants to glorify gangs. I'm going to be the one to talk down on it and preach anti-gangs and just show the kids that you don't want to throw your life away like I did.

from 13 to 32 was all prison and gangs. Now I'm barely learning how to live life. You don't want to be in my predicament where you don't even know how to call an Uber. That's my message on my YouTube channel. That's why I do a lot of truth. I'm going to convert it to eventually true crime and hopefully I grow and stay away from the gangs and prisons.

But for now, I got about 1,300 videos uploaded of nothing but prison and gang politics and what it looks like for the next generation. Wow. What was the hardest part? I was almost 20 years locked up, institutionalized. Were you institutionalized? Or what was the hardest part about transitioning back into society? Because you've got to be traumatized after doing all that and seeing all that

and being assaulted, nearly killed? I want to say that I'm still institutionalized. Like, you won't see me go to the malls a lot. You won't see me in big crowds. I prefer a little room. I prefer to be isolated in a little confined space. I still shower my shower shoes on. I still eat noodles all day. I don't know how to eat like steaks and ribs and meat because they didn't feed me that in prison. There's a lot of things that I got to break the habits of. The hardest part for me is just that, you know, I've only known my whole life how to be a gang member. I don't know how to talk about nothing else.

I don't know how to adjust to other people. I don't have any social, conventional skills to really have just a general conversation or talk to a girl about this when all my life I know about gangbanging. So that's the hardest part about justice society is like I'm a civilian now I'm not a gang member I don't know what it's like to be a civilian I just pay my bills

Go to work like normal people But I've been out four years And it still feel like I have in a justice society All I know was prison I got so many bad habits I got to break But the worst part about it is my PTSD My anger issues and my sobriety Which makes it harder for me

Because I'm used to being high all day Now being sober and trying to live life And look at life in different lenses. It's been a hard adjustment. I'm still adjusting. I still got a lot to learn. Yeah, but I mean, you're doing it.

Yeah, thankfully, by the blessings of God I have. But like I said, this has all been happening naturally for me. Take me off camera and get to know the real me. You'll see that I fight demons every day. I hate being sober every day, but I love it at the same time. I'm learning how to, you know, just because I got a job, the only reason I work so hard is because I don't want any time an opportunity to go to the streets.

Because if I go to the streets, I'm going to go to a girl. If I'm going to go to a girl, I'm going to be for the baby daddy. If I go to this neighborhood to go meet this girl, I might get involved with gangs. So I work as hard as I do just to make sure that I don't end up on the streets again because that's the last place that I want to be is going back to the streets. That's what I do for. Wow. Truly a fascinating story.

Wild, wildlife. I don't exactly know if I'll ever understand the reason for some. street gangs. I understand drug trafficking, you know. Yeah. It's a huge profit involved. It comes from Mexico. There's not a lot of education, right? And people first generation are just doing what they do. But I don't understand the gangbang aspect. But stories like these, I mean, it's exceptional. And you're an exceptional guy. And, you know, there's a reason that you rose so fast in the gang life. And I think there's a reason you're doing really great on YouTube now. So keep, uh, you know, keep at it, man. Appreciate it. You're doing better than you think. Don't be so hard on yourself. Yeah.

You know? What I did is, it's just all my life I wanted to be a gang leader. I wanted to be somebody. I wanted to be somebody powerful. I just went about it the wrong way. So now I'm utilizing social media as to be like, you still have that voice. You can still be that powerful person. Just do it for the right reasons now. So every day I work on doing all this for the right reasons. Hell yeah. Just a positive message into the world about just telling the kids, stay away from this gang, like, bro, it's not worth it. That's my goal. Jay, thank you so much, buddy.

Thank you for making the trip down here. Check him out on YouTube. Renegade media, his social media, all links will be in the description. And we'll do this again sometime. Yes, sir. Thank you guys for having me. Thank everybody else for watching. All right.

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