The Connect- with Johnny Mitchell - O.G. Crip Gang Leader Reveals Building A Global Cocaine EMPIRE, Selling 2,000 KILOS A Month

Episode Date: November 17, 2025

In this powerful, deeply personal interview, Tanc walks us through a life shaped by gang culture, prison time, cartel connections, near-death situations, and ultimately—transformation. From his early days in the California state system to navigating the dangerous world of cross-border drug trafficking, he breaks down how major operations moved product from Peru and Mexico into the U.S., what it was like coordinating “jumps” across the border, why warehouses sat full of hundreds of untouched bricks, and the razor-thin line between survival and disaster. He also opens up about fatherhood changing his mindset, the struggle to find legitimate work after prison, facing racism while trying to re-enter society, and how community college became the unlikely start of a new path. This episode dives into: -His final state bid and what made him leave gang life behind -How he became involved with high-level cartel operators -The logistics behind massive cross-border drug shipments -The paranoia, betrayals, and close calls that come with the lifestyle -The moment he knew the feds were closing in -How education and family pulled him toward a different life Go Support Tanc! Protein Ice Cream: https://www.californiaiceprotein.com/ This Episode Is #Sponsored By The Following: BetterHelp! This month, don’t wait to reach out. Whether you're checking in on a friend, or reaching out to a therapist yourself, Betterhelp makes it easier to take that first step. Our listeners get 10% off their first month at https://betterhelp.com/connect Mood! Head to https://mood.com to find the functional gummy that matches exactly what you're looking for, and let Mood help you discover YOUR perfect mood. And don't forget to use promo code CONNECT when you check out to save 20% on your first order. Join The Patreon For Bonus Content! https://www.patreon.com/theconnectshow 00:00 Intro: Meet Tanc & Background 02:12 Growing Up in South Central LA 06:33 Early Crime, Robberies, and Bank Heists 13:35 Gang Life, Juvenile Time, and State Prison 25:29 Coming Home & Trying to Go Legit 27:15 Discovering the Hollywood Club Scene 29:59 Today's Sponsors 33:51 First Taste of Ecstasy—And Seeing $$ 36:40 Growing a Multi-Million Dollar Ecstasy Empire 45:47 Making Hollywood Connections & Living Large 53:23 Transitioning from Ecstasy to Cocaine 58:52 Meeting 'O' & Forming a Powerful Partnership 01:10:36 Into the Cartel World—International Drug Running 01:17:12 Cross-Border Operations & Stash Houses 01:31:15 Expanding to the East Coast: New York Hustle 01:41:11 Money Movement, Laundering & Risk 01:48:42 Scaling Up: Cartel-Level Distribution 02:00:06 The Fed Problem: Informants, Encounters & Risk 02:08:48 Busts, Betrayals & The Fall 02:19:12 Getting Pinched: Arrest, Indictments & Snitches 02:33:03 Concluding the Case & Lessons Learned 02:44:00 Life After Prison & Final Thoughts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Make some real money. They knew if I showed up, they was going to have the best time ever because they're going to have the best drugs. I would go out and make 5, 10K a night party. My guest today is known as Tank, an OG Crip from South Central who rose from the streets of Los Angeles

to become one of the biggest drug kingpins of his generation. In the early 2000s, Tank ran a multi-million dollar ecstasy operation in the booming nightclub scene of Hollywood, California. That's how we met Owen Hansen, the USC football player and fledgling Senaloa Cartel Lieutenant. Together, the two built a cocaine empire that stretched from the jungles of Peru all the way to New York City, where Tank personally delivered hundreds of kilos of

cocaine and heroin every week to their distributors. Tank reveals the inside secrets of what makes a drug operation of this size possible, from the couriers on private jets to the corrupt police officials, to the trap houses storing tons of cocaine waiting to be shipped. This is a one-of-a-kind story. And for a bonus episode with Tank, where he talks about his prison stretch and what he's into now, head over to patreon.com slash the Connect show. His life is an odyssey. You're absolutely going to love it. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you tank right here on the Connect with Johnny Mitchell. Well, it's pretty rare that a kid from South Central, a gangbanger, can go through the system, experience all that ignorance, all of that stupid violence, and then

ascend to a high, high level drug trafficker. It doesn't happen a lot. No. No. No. Why do they call you tank? You know, what's funny, my grandmother used to call me tanky as a kid. And so when I got into the hood and stuff like that, I was like, man, I got to get me a better name. You know what I'm saying? I can't just have that like that. You know, and it just kind of dropped the Y and kept going with it. And it just always been me because I used to be a little chunky kid. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And yeah, so I just kept it. It was just one of those things that they kind of grew with me.

It always comes from Grandma. Yeah. You know Snoop Dog got his name. Snoopy from his grandma. Yeah, exactly. He had to drop the Y. Yeah, exactly. Same thing.

Yeah, yeah. I got to make this thing right. So it's one of those things that kind of carried me through life. So you grew up in the best and the worst time in Los Angeles. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I grew up in,

I caught the ass in what I like to call a real era. You know what I'm saying? Of real OGs, you know, real respect, real people that have been through a real struggle. Because obviously you got from the 60s, like Black Panthers. then they took them out. Then this thing of gangs kind of spawned from that, you know. And yeah, it was legends. Like when I went to the pin, I walked to y'all were real legends.

Now it's a joke. Did you have a good family? Like you're from the hood, from South Central, but did you, what was family life like as a kid? You know, it was just me and my mom. You know, most of my family's East Coast. So I kind of put my family together around, who I grew up with, you know.

I like to call my sandbox, you know, guys that I grew up from. And that was my family since there. I didn't have a father. I mean, he was there. He lived in Frisco, but he wasn't present. Did you have uncles or family members in the game, in gangs, anything like that? Like, how did you learn the streets? Just growing up in there, you know.

I grew up poor. I had to, you know, you had to survive, right? You know, and gangs was, it obviously for me was, you know, I used to get bullied. and then I found protection, and that's how you kind of go with it, right? And I'm like, you know what? I ain't getting bullied anymore, you know? So then you join this gang, and then this gang becomes your family. And it's because you don't have a father, right?

I don't have anybody to look up to. So I looked up to the O.G.'s in the neighborhood as fathers, right? I kind of put bits and pieces together what I've seen in the streets as like a father, like what I thought was a good father. It was, you know, no book on it. I just had to survive. Were you from a Crip neighborhood? Like where you grew up, it was Crip.

Yeah, Crips. All Crips around me. I was on the East Side. Then I moved to the West Side. I lived a little bit, you know, pretty much around South Central. For eventually, then my mom actually, she got a job change, got more money, then we moved to the Valley. The second half of my life. Well, there's Gang Bang Out in the Valley, too, if you wanted to.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was everywhere. I mean, you can't escape it. Now, you're such a smart guy. Like, were you all. always this well-spoken and this well-educated? I mean, I always did good in school. You know, my mom used to read to me and made me read,

and she always instilled education in me. Like, don't be no dummy. She also said, if you're going to get in trouble, you better be the leader and not the follower, you know. And that was one of her things, you know, like, you know, at least if you're going to do something stupid, you be the damn leader of it. You know what I'm saying?

Don't go following somebody else's dumbass, you know? And that's kind of how. I love that. Yeah, it instilled things for me to always want more, you know? Yeah, yeah. Okay, so did you lead when you became of age, you know, what is it, early teens or something like that? Did you become the leader of whatever neighborhood set you were running with? I wouldn't say I became a leader, but I think a lot of people gravitated, guys gravitated towards me because I was so ambitious.

You know what I'm saying? Like I always was on the forefront of anything that we were doing. You know what I'm saying? If it was crying, like, I knew how to get into some real crime, right? Make some real money. And no matter what it was, you know, I was always searching to get more and better, whereas a lot of people are boxed in mentally, you know, they just think the neighborhood is everything.

And me, I'm like, you know, we can go bigger. You know, like, there's always more we can go. I always want to more, more, more, more, more. And in fact, that's what kind of always gets me in trouble because I get so comfortable and good with this, and I think I'm slick and I think you get away with it. And I just keep going because I'm like, oh, shit, you know. Yeah, most gangbangers are just drinking 40s on the porch. That doesn't get you economically.

It gets you nowhere. They just want to be the top of the neighborhood, right? Like that's it. Like that's it, you know. What were you guys doing to make money? Oh, man, any crime that was. I mean, if we was robbing, jacking, I mean, we call them licks, passing, I mean, bank robberies, jury licks, you know, everything.

I mean, even getting the cars, still in the cars, and, you know, whatever I did I did to assign. And I would research and look it up and how to do it the best. See, that was one of my things. Were you guys really hitting banks? Oh, we hit banks all the time. Yeah. L.A. was bank robbery capital. Especially on the east side.

Wow. Yeah. Damn. So were you going in there like masked up or were you? Massed up. But it's all about finesse. So when guys would come in here, you know, I always thought outside the box, right? So the average guy comes in.

They think you got to wave guns and do all this. No, why would you do that? because then you become FBI's most wanted. You know, and I don't care. We come in the bank. I don't care if you get down, you don't. My key was getting in, getting the money and getting out so fast. I don't care where you go, who you call, where you have?

I'm in and out. I'm already going. You know what I'm saying? If you laid down the ground, it's because you laid down. I just came in with a mask going and hit the counter and took what I can take, and I'm gone. You know, when you come in, you know, get on the ground and do all that and guns and blames it everywhere, you put yourself on the target.

See, like, not a lot. they're coming after you because that's the violent. You know, that's, we don't even bring a gun. Why even have a gun? You know what I'm saying? So that's always been finesse. I've never been about hurting anybody in any situation, you know. So you would just go in basically, you know, you're, you're intimidating.

You got a mask on. And so you're already scaring people, but then you just jump up onto a counter and just reach in. And I don't say nothing. I just run right past you. And just take a handful. Yeah. With that's it.

I don't even, I don't even, I don't even, there's nothing even talk to you about. Right. I don't care. If you run out, you holler, who cares, right? I'm in and out. That's my whole, you know what I'm saying? Wow. You know, so that was the whole target.

We'd have to grab them. You had the new what to grab because they had die packs. Right. And then you had to know how to get rid of that. So they didn't blow up because you were getting the car. And it would blow up and tear gas and everything else. And then your money's fucked up because how it's just dying on it. So you had to, we had buckets in the in the, in the, in the van.

So when we get back up in there, we're watering it. You put it in the water so it doesn't blow up. And then you get to get out and take the die packs out. Oh, I see. Yeah. It was all about finesse. Wow. Most guys didn't even know that.

They talked to get all this stuff, but they don't even know those little details. You know what I'm saying? How did you research this stuff before Google? Because we had to blow up before. And I was like, yo, one of my guys, he's like, oh, man, we lost all that money. He had like $100,000. They lost it because it all blew up. Then they had to leave it.

Oh. You know what I'm saying? So you did all that for nothing. Can you really get $100,000 just going to one register? No. You'd kill out all the registers. And in two is you can catch them when they opened the gate. You see when they opened the gate to the vault.

Yeah. First thing in the morning or when it... It just depends. If you come and you see that gate open, you can go in there and you can take the main, like whoever has the key, the main one to open it up and you get all that. That's how you really get it.

Wow. And you guys aren't having, you don't have guns. No. How long are you in there for? Two minutes? Two minutes. You're in and out.

By the time the call goes out and you're already gone. We got two getaway cars. Like the first one, the people are taking pictures of it. Then you go to your next destination, jump in the second one. Yeah. When was the day,

best day to do it, best time to do it? Well, you definitely want to, because in the morning, banks, depending on the bank, so you want banks that are in high traffic areas because those are the ones that are going to put out the most money. You don't want some secluded bank in the middle of nowhere. We don't have traffic, so they're not going to put much money on the floor. But the guys that are like in the areas where, like, people are dropping on money, they need to have so much money on hand.

And then those are the ones you want to hit. You know, and that's it. I've had money, though, that blew up halfway, and we'd be spending it with the diet. on it. And it's so funny. And people that have no clue. You know what I'm saying? Like with that red die is like, right? That's straight bank robbery money. And it'd be still wet.

Like you, because you didn't have been in the water. Man, I'm like, man, let's go go shopping. I'm being in the store where all these wet hunts, buying stuff. Yeah. Fuck it. Fuck it. Yeah. Wow. And so you never took a pinch over a bank robbery. Never. Wow. Yeah. You were still a teenager when you were doing this? Yeah, teenager.

Yeah. Yeah, it's funny. LA used to be fun. Oh, yeah. Back of the day was insane. We'd go past and then party. evenings. Oh, yeah. Were you getting into drugs at that age? Like, were you starting to experiment with, like, selling Coke or crack or anything? Or did that come later? You know, I never really, I mean, I grew up with some of my young homies. Like, we would sell, we would steal, like, crack from his older brothers and uncles. And then we'd sell it to just get some money to eat. You know, like, let's get 20, 30 bucks, 50 bucks, right? And we call it, like, our base is, you know,

get it from the base is. We call them. But I never really was into it because I lost so much in my family to crack. So it never was, for me, it was always like, I hated it. You know what I'm saying? You know, I'm living in the community of my aunties, you know, my uncles, and they're all all the same things. So I was like, it never was one of my things. I always like a robberhood kind of guy. Yeah. I like to steal from the rich and give to the poor. Since I was a kid, I've always been like that, you know. Tell me about jewelry stores. Oh, the jewelry stores just bounce, break the account. It's a lot of what you see going on today. These guys are running the malls now doing it. Smash and grab. That's it. Same thing.

Yeah. You know? And then you sell the loot. Oh, yeah, yeah. We have connects. You go downtown. They always buy out. You have your little connect. They can't wait for you to come in. Jewelry District downtown LA. They buy it all up. Yeah. No questions asked. Yeah. They come in.

Then it got really strict on them. And, yeah, that was crazy. Okay. When did you take your first pinch? When did you fall? You know, I started going to juvie, you know, young. stealing cars, you know, robberies, what was it, 459, which is residential burglary. Yeah, I mean, just the common stuff that went on in those areas in those times.

And, but one of those things, I used to love stealing cars. That was one of my thing. You know, if I wasn't selling parts of it, but just the adrenaline, you know, of just stealing the car. And they got so good at it, it's almost like that movie, you see New Jersey Dry. Of course. That's how my boys were row.

Be like, we'd pull up, race each other, like, what you're in today? You know what I'm saying? And I used to love the ones that, like, put the club on it, and they do all this extra security stuff. I knew how to get past the alarms. I would leave the alarm box and the club

in the parking space. So when you come in the morning, you're like, wait, where's the car? And then you look in the parking space on this nice and miss alarm that you paid for that you told you had a keel switch and in this club, you know, that you have a serum,

I'd leave it right there. Like, how do you get the club? You know what I'm saying? It was a simple, thing. Or you do it cut the steering wheel and just pull it off with the hacks off. Just the easiest thing. Yeah, that was another rampant thing in LA back in the day, was car theft. Yeah. Yeah. You know where people are selling stolen cars now? Biggest stolen car market? Mexico. Yeah. They love it because those cartel guys, I mean,

they buy them up all the time. Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, people are taking them down and doing insurance jobs on their own car. Just get rid of it, taking to Mexico. Right. I was thinking about doing that back when I was poor. Yeah. I knew some Armenian guys. I was like, how much to steal my car and just make it disappear south of the border? That's what they did. Yeah, they take them and down all the time. And then down there, they'd take them and just put whatever together. Man. Okay, so you started going to jail, though?

Yeah, I started there. And then from there, it's just kind of hard to me even more, right? Because I'm gang banging. I'm in jail. And there's almost like a badge of honor to be in, you know, camp walking around and say you went to Juvie and ended up in there to fighting and all that. Like, it became the thing, you know. And then you go from there.

And then I went to camp and went to Alphabal Page. And then from there kept getting a fight's game. sent me to Rocky and from Rocky, T.S. and from T.S. Then I finally came home. And I was already geared for prison life. Like I had been doing it at home. It was like, so it wasn't no brain. I was hustling. I didn't care about going to jail. I was going to get this money. I got to survive. And then that's how I got. They hardened me up for prison. You know, and then I was ready to go. But you felt like, you know, deep down, you felt like this, you were meant for something more. Like you felt like this was a toxic life.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It definitely was something on the inside of me said, this isn't my life. You know what I'm saying? You know, my mom has still a lot more things in me.

But I just was slick. I knew how to figure things out and I grew. And when I did prison time, one thing about me, two things I did. I worked out and I read. You know, I spent that time wisely. If I can go to school, I go to school. Whatever programs they had,

I would exhaust everything they had there. Same thing when I came home. I would exhaust every program to help me get back right. You know, and... So you went to state prison first. Yeah, when to stay prison. Where and for what? So my first bid was a probation violation. So I got caught with, we were in the middle of a black and brown war. So my homie had dope. He had two ounces of crack. And then we had two pistols. So you can go anywhere. When that was going off in the beginning, I'm going to say, early 90s, the whole mafia took over the states and all that. It was just big.

The Mexican mafia. Yeah. So it was a big black and brown wars. You had to fight against each other's trouble over the streets and everything. So everywhere you went, it was, so you had to have your pistol. It was dangerous out there, you know. And so, you know, we had two pistols in the car, had the dope in there. We get pulled over.

And then back then, this is when, like, LAPD was on. Some dirty shit. Yeah. That old school. like driving them a black, they don't care if you. Man, I jump out. Say, man, what you're pulling me over for? Man, I got to license, everything.

It's legit. He took that license and said, man, this ain't you threw that shit in the grass. Like, booked us. I mean, snatched interior out, snatched a dash out. And I had it, we had them stashed in the seats, right? He told all that shit out and found all that shit.

And so it was funny. We went to prison, I mean, to jail, but I was on probation. And the judge, the first judge, from preliminary herringer. She was actually, she was a cool, she was a black judge, and she knew about all the racial shit. And I remember she read this thing, and she told him.

In front of me, she's like, wait, well, what did you pull him over for? Right. Okay, I get, you got the drugs and everything. Well, what was to stop and everything? And they couldn't, you know, plead that case, made sense. She threw that shit out. But she did she rejected. So they refiled again, obviously.

And then eventually what they did is they came with a deal. They said, look, listen, we're going to drop this case, but I had the joint suspension. we're just going to violate you What was the suspension for? My joint suspension was for Same thing I think I had a pistol And a stolen car

Before that one And And that gave me like I don't know What I'm going to say like three to five years Joint suspension Something like that Okay

So what they did was Yeah yeah So it didn't matter right They violated me They beat that case That's what sent him That was started me Sent me to prison

Right You know And then from there on once I got in a prison in a yard, I remember I went up to Susanville. They were building in high desert, which was the four yard. I was on the three. I stayed on a three yard for about a year. Then I came down to the two yard.

And then finally after I got cleared to go to fire camp in Susanville. But yeah, I remember I was up on the first time I was on the print. I got there. They had a ride. And this is the old days. It was a little bit different now, but like you walked up under the gun. and when it be rides a fight, like they'll shoot you. It wasn't like they don't tear gas or anything.

Like, they'll shoot you. So me and you get in the fight, they can shoot. They literally can literally shoot. So they pop this dude on the yard, you know, and I'm just like, damn, I'm in the real. This is the real shit. They shot him to death? Yeah, they killed him. Like, they shot him straight like that.

And then if you survive, they'll sing you a ducat, what we call at the end of the month. You get like a receipt of what you spent on store and everything. Everything is on there. They'll shoot you. you and at the end of the month, they'll send you a duck it and charge you for the bullet they shot you with. Yo, it's insane. I couldn't make this up.

I couldn't make this up. Like, it was on the guy who, he was back on the yard. He got shot and he showed me to duck it. It means when they charged me, and I can't remember how much it was a bullet, but I was like, what? Spring weekends are all about family, sunshine, and evenings on the patio. Before everyone arrives, I stopped by my local total wine and more to grab a great bottle to share.

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That's like trolling. It's literally like demonic. Yeah. Behavior. That's, like, wait. Yeah. Did he charge you for the bullet? Like, what happens if you don't pay it?

Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, wow. So that was crazy. Was he even trying to kill the guy with a knife? Like, I understand, like, them, Wow. Didn't matter. You got to be really careful, man.

That's like in Folsom and all that. They had the old school joints they have on the wall. We fired no warning shots. Wow. No matter what it is. You know what I'm saying? So if you get in the altercation and fight, so you literally would be like, you know, but, I mean, in some instances,

is good in other instances is not because what happens is they abuse that power. See, it's good because it keeps a threat of control so you know if you're going to do something crazy, you know, I might get shot. But it also gives that cop or that whoever's in there, you know, especially if you're on like racial motives or he's on like some prison gang, you know, like they were like gangs too, like the CEOs. If they were on like their own bullshit and they because that's what happened in court. Remember it? It was just killing. left and right, it was like a game they would play. Like, who can shoot? They would actually put two

enemies, so like in the shoe, in Corcoran, you know, you only come out with your celly. You're not supposed to be in that little yard. You come out one hour a day, but you're not supposed to be in a yard, but nothing but black on black or if it's white on white or whatever. And they would put black and Mexican in there in the same thing, and then they would have target practice and kill them.

Just to get him to fight as an excuse. Yeah. And this is a shoe. You're not even supposed to be in here with him. See what I'm saying? Right. So as soon as, because we're enemies off the top. So why are we in the same? We're in the shoe, which means you're 23 and 1. That means you're locked down 23 hours.

You only come out once a day. So this is not a regular yard. This is like the top top, you know, security. And so that was crazy. Yeah. Okay. So this is the era that you're living through in the CDCR. Yeah.

When did you, you came home after a couple of years and then you went back? You caught another one? When it came home. Same thing. Came back home. Went straight back to the hood. Same shit. It was like an endless cycle

because eventually they're going to come get you. At some point, no matter what you're doing. You're drugs. You're robbing. You're doing whatever. You're either going to get killed

or you're coming back to prison. You know, there's no way. Not to. Like, it's 90% chance that's going to happen. 10% that you may make it through there. You know. In prisons is a big business. Obviously they need that, right?

So you had stripes when you went back? You were like an OG? You know, as I'm growing up, the latter, but I always kept it solid, like, no matter what. I'm not saying I was the baddest person. I'm not saying I came home and healed the yard, like, half these dudes on it, and I can care by any of that. I just stand on my tan every time.

You know what I'm saying? You know, whether you love or hate me, you're going to give me my respect. That's it. I don't, nothing more, nothing less. I don't want no badges of honor. I don't want no, if you want to give them to me, cool. You know what I'm saying? So, and that's just how I roll.

Did you have to put in work? Did you have to fight in there? Did you have to defend you? defend yourself? All the time. Yeah. You have to carry a knife or anything like that?

That's, that's man, though. Uh-huh. Yeah, yeah. What was the hardest prison you were at in California, state? You know,

it just depends on who's on the yard at the time, you know, as far as when I was in there. But, I mean, obviously there are some really hard back then, especially like Quarkin was one of them,

but I didn't go to court. I'm glad I didn't go there. But, yeah, I was in Solano. That yard used to rock. Same thing. Susanville used to rock. I was in Wasco at one point That was that was

You know Chino same thing Like I was in Chino It just depends You know I didn't like I like the higher level yards In a way because it was more respect And not a lot of dumb shit

Yeah You know versus the lower level yards You had a lot of dumb shit People acting like they are And then what happens is you're in the bigger group settings With more people So it's much more dangerous You know what I'm saying

and then you're sleeping in it. If you're sleeping in dorm versus the sale, I like sale living because it's safe. I can close my dorm when it's locked. I can sleep good. In dorm settings, it's different. Like, you've got to be your head on swivel all the time, you know?

I never got that dorm setting. I mean, I was there for like, I was in a prison getting transferred to a minimum from a maximum. And I stopped for like a day at a prison with dorm living. And I was like, this is awful. Yeah.

This is awful. I'd rather be locked up with lifers. Yeah. in a cell, in my house. You know what I mean? Yeah. Because this is my thing, my sale, my way. And obviously, if I don't like the way you smell, you don't shower, you know,

you farting all the time, talking crazy, whatever the fuck it is. And most likely, you're stupid as fuck. You contribute nothing. And it's like you just degrade my everything about me. Yeah, yeah. You make me come down a little. And I'm like, I'm like, fuck, I'm getting dumb because just hanging from you dummies, you know what I'm saying?

Exactly. Exactly. That's a fact. Everybody's old ladies, the most. beautiful. And then you see him at visit and you're like, this, this bitch better be keistering in. She must have a brick of weed. Right. Right. Oh, my God. The stories I used to hear and here, I was like, I got so tired of, especially like on, you know, me and Owen's document. I would show pictures when I was in the fares to people. And they'll be talking about my story

and shit at the end of the streets. And I felt like these guys who always were lying. So I stopped telling my story, right? Because I'm like, like, I'll tell you myself. I'm like, man, I've been flying private jets from Peru to Costa Rica. I live down in the house hanging off the wheels. And this guy come up. And you didn't know, he didn't even getting a visit. He ain't got the money's book. But he'd be like, yo, yeah, I was down in Columbia with Noriega.

And he's like, get it. But you can't even make store. What do you mean? Yeah. Oh, man, money and this and that. And I'm like, yo, shut up. Like, so I was like, it's possible. A lot of people, you know, smoked up all their money or that, who knows, right?

They had a run. And now they're indigent. But I mean, even their run. are not like the volume of what I'm saying runs. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. What was the last state bid you did before you were like, I'm done with this gang bang and horseshit?

I want to say, it's probably I came home from Solano and then I came home in, you know, my first kid's mother. I had my first daughter. And that kind of, I think from that point on, you know, it started changing me. Even though when she had it, I had one more violation, and then that was the last.

And then after that, I was out for a long time. Yeah, yeah. So that's like 90s all the way up to like 2010 or 11. Okay. So you put the gangbanging away. When did you, when did this whole Odyssey with Owen, how did that all begin? Like after you got out of state prison for the last time?

Well, I didn't meet, oh, yeah, we're talking like 20, let me see. Yeah, so I'm like maybe 20 years later when I ran the arm. Because my whole life had changed now because now after I came home from that last bid, I remember my PO was going to violate me because I couldn't find a job. And I'm like, I don't even know how to fill out of application. You know what I'm saying? And then I was still harder. I had long hair, had braids, some tattoos.

And, you know, the way I talked, like, who's going to hire me? Right? And I'm like, so I can't. kept trying to look for the job and this P-O, he was like real, he was a racist guy to the max. And he just wanted to just, he didn't give me no help, no. And I was like, yo, like, I don't know how to fill that application. He didn't even care. He said, you know, I get this, I'm going to violate your ass, right?

And so what I did was, I started thinking outside the box. I said, what can I do to protect myself from this guy? So what I did was, I checked in a junior college. And that had to have been the best move. that I could have ever made in my life. Like, thank God I did that. It changed my whole way of thinking. You know what I'm saying?

My friends started changing. There was programs and money and financial aid that I never knew existed. I didn't know I can go to cause. I didn't want to put the burden of my mom, single black woman, you know, raising a mixed biracial child coming from where she came from to now.

And I was like, I didn't want to put no more burden on her. You know, I'm a man, I'm a stand on mine, that's it, you know? And so yeah, and then my money started changing. I started growing more, right? I started getting my financial aid. I started hustling. Yeah. And how my hustle came about was, you know, I started going out in Hollywood party and stuff like that with my new friends. And I started dating this Armenian girl. And so she was like, yeah, you got to come out to these clubs. And she was like, was house music, EDM type shit. And I remember showing up. And I was like, we went to, to, it was Avalon downtown.

And these guys were in there. It was always like mixed, what is it? You know, regular straight guys and trannies and everything else. And guys with their shirt off, you know, swole jack. And I remember the first time I hung out with it. And I was like, man, this is gay to me, right? Like to me, I'm thinking like, this is gay. Like, what the fuck is this?

Hey, you know, I'm coming from hip-hop. We're gay, man, man, club fighting afterwards, stabbing, shooting each other. So they got up in here. And I'm like, was not a problem to hold. night, right? And it was funny because she started laughing, and they were all taking ecstasy and part of them. I was like, okay. So I see it, right? But I didn't understand it yet. You know what I'm saying? Didn't like the music. Is this like the late 90s ecstasy boom? No, this is early 2000s. Early 2000s, ecstasy boom. Like the kind of MacDray,

ecstasy boom era. Yeah, but this is how we're saying house, right? So we're saying like David Getta. Yeah. We're saying like that era of... It crossed all lines. It was definitely like it was hip-hop, but it was also EDM, house. Yeah. But it wasn't, it was just starting to get his boom.

You know what I'm saying? And this wasn't Molly. This was the fucking... No, this is real. Yeah, these are naked ladies, dolphins. These are the real Maserati's, like the old school. When those chemists made a pill, they made a fucking pill. Like, this was like you rolled for two days straight.

See, now it's the cartels. in China, what they do is they figure out a way to make money and then they mass produce something for cheaper that's similar to the product you get so you don't get real drugs anymore. That's why fit in all of it's why you got all these things.

It's a cheaper form of what the real shit is, right? And it's funny because even today, you know, people go, man, I got some real good X to CPO's and I go, how much from them? I say, oh, they're only like five bucks apiece. I say, it can't be. They go, what do you mean?

It can't be real. Why? I said, you know how expensive real MD&A is? just off the top. Like, you cannot have this at this price because you're broke. You can't buy it in such a bulk level. You can get it that way.

Second, how to make it. Like, they don't understand it. I'm like a connoisseur when it comes to anything I do. You know what I'm saying? I'm going to study it and then regurgitate it back to the public. Like, because I want a quality product, whatever it was. Like, I want a happy customer. I'm not just to get over, you know.

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was spinning up at Avalon and she says, come. It's like, all right, I'll come down, her sister and her friends. And come down, hang up. And she said, take this pill, right? And I was like, man, I want to take it. And I was like, all right. So I took it. And David Getter was spinning.

And when the peel hit me, it just hit me. I was like, oh, now I get it. Right? Because I felt so good. And I remember he was spinning. The music just started hitting. And I was like, oh, this is why you have to be hot to listen to this music. Now you get it, right?

And it's the best music I ever heard in my life now. Now I'm like, it was like David Gett on steroids, right? So then I started getting hooked. Then I started seeing how the movement, the trafficking of the drugs went into this place. Because I'm a connoisseur. Like I'm from the underworld, right? Like I see money.

I start seeing how it works up in here. I'm like, oh shit. Did I just hit a jackpot? It's safe in here? You know what I'm saying? Everybody knows everybody. You're not worried about anything. Second, how much is appeal?

I think appeal was like $25 back then. How much do you buy them for? Right? So then I started getting into the field. How do I get this for cheaper and everything? And I know how the drug game works. Buy them both, get it for cheap, right? Find who has the best of.

This is how you're going to target, knock out all your other, you know, people that surround you selling. And then I want a better product for cheaper. Once I do that, I got them. And then I started hanging out more and started going from there. And it was these after hours. and after after hours and this, and all through Hollywood.

Yeah. Right. Back when Hollywood, boomed, the night life was booming. Oh my God, it was booming back there. It's a wasteland now,

but it was booming back then. Hollywood was Hollywood. Like, people from every other state, countries, everything flew in to come to this place, right? Right. Okay, so how did you find your plug?

So I started crawling up the ladder. Who's got it? Who's this? Who's there? You know, and then I started crawl up the ladder. And once I found out, you know, researching who counting in,

because I remember it was a certain group of people that were bringing them in. And I'm saying like, they were getting the men by barrels. You know what I'm saying? And I think it was right before they just changed the law to go after them. I want to say them,

what were they? I want to say they were Israeli or whatever. It was something like that. But they were getting them in before it was even a law against them. Okay, so this is coming from Amsterdam or from the Netherlands? Yeah, somewhere over there was coming in

and you would buy it by the drum. And they would get them for like 25 cents a pier. Coming in through the ports? Coming in through Long Beach. Because I wasn't that big up the chain. I just started studying hearing stories and listening and who had what. And I started researching the laws and everything. And who was the first book?

So I'm like those. I'll get on the internet and I'll search. And I'll say, okay, these people have it. So then this is how I'll target. You know what I'm saying? So like in the drug gang, cocaine. I don't want to get in the hood. I'm not going to buy no coke from another hood gangster black guy.

I need to find the Mexican guy who's coming up. across the border. I need to find the one who doesn't even speak that much English. See what I'm saying? Because I know it's gonna get more purer and pure. It's not stepped on. When I'm buying it from my homie, it's already been stepped on.

I don't care how good he says it is. I already know he's already. See what I'm saying? That's how I do it, you know? So how did you ascend? Did you get up to the barrel level where you were buying it from the guys bringing it in? So I started off buying, I think I wanna say,

was it a, what do we call it? Boat was a thousand of them. But before that, if he bought 100, so it was buying like 100, like at a hundred at time and then I started growing and started getting a boat and then I ran into two plugs

one was Asian and I want to say one was one was either what was it? He was European I can't remember he was but he was like the top top because he was getting it in somehow through one of those ways and my Asian plug too the same way and that's when I plugged up with those two

it was over with so he always had one different kind of style like he had double stacks. This one had like Maserati's and naked ladies and dolphins. So then I started buying, I started buying a boat. Then I went from a boat. Then I started buying like 10, 15, 20,

you know, 30. And then I would piece up with the bigger guys some of my boys who were moving stuff. And we get the price down. So I'm saying? So that's how we did it. So we bought like 50 boats at a time. 50,000 pills.

50,000 pills. We split it up between five of us. And then that's how I control the market. So now I'm the regular black. guy, I'm coming to there, and these guys who have been in these clubs selling this shit for years, you know, because I know the gang. I'm street. These guys have just been doing this.

They ain't really street. They just figured out a nagging in here. I'm street. I come in, and then I saw up the whole game, right? And then I know how to do, listen, I tip everybody. I take care of everybody. So then I became the number one. When I pull up to the club, they roll out the red carpet.

All the bodyguards, I mean, the bouncers are paid off. people who own the club if I know them, people who, anything I need in here, so they let me do what I wanted to do. See, I know the game. A lot of these guys come in here, if they ain't tipping and pan helping these guys out,

they get thrown out, they get busted, they get this. They would come look out for me. Yo, these fans in here. Yo, watch this, that, da-da-da-da. Because I got them all paid off. I treat everybody with love. We all can eat.

I'm not greedy. I want us all to eat. You know what I'm saying? You were supplying now the retailers in these clubs. In the clubs. I got you. So I would show up

give it to all the, they became the bottom feeders. Yeah. I just give it to all them and they move it. I sit back and party. You're not hand-to-hand anymore. No. So now they're working. So now I would go out and make 5, 10K a night party.

You know what I'm saying? How fast could they turn around your retailers? How fast could they get rid of 10,000 pills? Oh, man, being on the scene, I mean, this is what I did. From Friday to probably like Wednesday. It was probably like two. two days off during the middle of the week when Hollywood was nothing. But I was in, all they did was go out club, clubbing.

Sometimes I'd be out two, three days and they didn't even come home. Musty everything, but I've been making money, partying. I'm highest, you know, myself, you know, hanging out with girls all day. So a long weekend. Oh, long weekend. They could get rid of 10 boats. Yeah. Crazy.

Yeah, we blow them out. And I come back and just collect money. That's it. And what is that, what are the economics of that? What are you buying, what are you getting your price per pill at? And what are you giving it to your guys at? At some point, I was getting them down. to almost like five bucks a peel.

You know what I'm saying? So, you know, obviously if I'm, it's $5 a peel and they're selling the club for $25. Boom. So your profit is $20 a pill. Yeah, $20,000 appeal. $200,000. So I got much to pay my worker.

I got to pay, you know, tipping, whatever, you know. That's 200 Gs every 10,000 pills. Yeah. And then that, listen how this even got even more better. So then as the EDM grew, I followed it. They went to Vegas. Then Vegas blew up. They started building all these pools.

When I started going to Vegas, it was only Hard Rock. And then from Har Rock, they started Wet Republic. From where Republic, they started at EBC. So all these pools started jumping off. Now, guess what? They got all the security because everybody getting hired at the pool now. Here's how I even killed him even more. I would come and show up.

People couldn't get their drugs into the pool. so they needed somebody like me the liaison I'm coming from the joint you know listen I'm getting knives to the yard past metal detectors you know what I'm saying

like I'm in the pool in Vegas you don't think I can get drugs in here yo I have special shoes that would gut out the inside of it and put tubes in it to fill all up with drugs GHB in packages that would look like energy drinks

and tear that you can tear and get a cap at every time pre-measured everything ketamine Same thing. I'm getting ketamine in, traveling from here. And then as that grew,

then you went to where? WMC, WMC, Miami. Yo, I would mail a gallon of GHB, send probably 10 boats out there before I go for WM. People would wait for me. If I wasn't going,

they didn't want to do their trip because they knew if I showed up, they was going to have the best time ever because they don't have the best drugs. I didn't even have to pay for tables because guys were begging me to hang because then you had all the drugs. So me and you show up to Miami

because you don't want to, have to go, you don't want to be from Los Angeles or whoever, go to another state and have to worry about trying to find your drugs, right? And you don't know if it's good. And that's the worst. When you buy a bunch of drugs to party with and you are here, you spend 10,000, 15,000 under the table, you and your boys and your crew, and all your drugs are whacked at night. That's like the worst. Yeah. You're like an Italian American from Jersey Shore's dream. Right. You've got GHB. Ketamine. Ketamine, steroid, whatever you wanted. I was the same thing. Yeah. I was being owes prices on steroids, and I was here.

I didn't have to go to Mexico and get it. Wow. Okay. And this is like, you're dealing with a drug that's barely federal. Like, this is something that you're going to be able to, like, beat or mitigate if you get popped. Right. Right. That's why I never fuck with the hard stuff.

Okay. So you're killing them. Killing it and having fun. Not the best women. Listen, if you, when I started in this game, I remember one of my boys came home. and we were here in Vegas and I was like, come hang out with me

I'm there with two short. I got Chuck Liddell with me. We got all these hot chicks at this table and we're going from excess to this club to everything else. Because you know, all these famous people, when I was in Vegas party on the house scenes, I met all these people right? Because these famous people

because I had the hottest drugs. She what I'm saying? That was the best. I became known. Like, yo, if you see him, that's the guy to go to. But would you deal with people like that? because you're trying to stay, you know, low, or at least, you know, you're trying to, like, insulate yourself, right? But it's different back then.

It's not like today. See what I'm saying? How so? Today is because of fentanyl and the deaths and drugs and the climate of what's going on the government and this war on all these things, and people are dying from drugs. See, they weren't dying from drugs back then.

Right. I mean, obviously, there was overdoses and shit like that. But I stayed away from then. I don't know. That's not my thing. I just want to have fun, party, and just have a good time. Because the drugs I sell you, I do. You know what I'm saying?

Right. Like, it's not like I'm just trying to make money of. No, I do these. You know what I'm saying? But if I can pay for my habit and support my living doing this, this is better than me going out rob and doing all these other stuff. Right. Right.

So it was less sketchy. Less sketchy. Yeah. So it's different than now back then that it is now. So all these famous people, they gave me connects to everything. In fact, I remember I was funny, me and I was talking about it. Like, we would show up to a club, and we were more famous than the famous. people we were with because we had all the drugs.

We were hot. We were everywhere. And all the famous people wanted to hang with us because we had the hottest drugs. Because remember when you're famous, you can't just go and get drugs from anybody. You got to have a liaison in between to buffer that so you don't go to jail, you don't this, or it's trusted or whatever the case is.

Yeah, you get blown up on the paparazzi, whatever. Right, anything. Who'd you meet besides? Who'd you party with? Two shorts a great one. Oh, that's my dog. Yeah, we go way back. Chuck LaDelle, Teter Ortiz, all the ballplayers, it's funny, O had all of the ball players. That's how I met all them. I usually, I knew all those hot guys from the UFC

that was back then, right? I mean, we're talking about your silvers. We're talking about, I mean, whoever was hot back then, they were in Vegas party. Yeah. Taking up and ecstasy. Huh?

Take an extency. Taking as part in drugs, Coke, whatever. You know what I'm saying? But you weren't into Coke yet. No. No, I mean, on a small. level, I would get you whatever, but not like, like I'd buy a brick and break it down and just salt. That was it. I didn't need more than that. And never was like, let me get that. That wasn't my

thing. But you always need to have it. Okay. Okay. So the Coke is making an appearance now in your life. Yeah. But on a small level. Yeah. Well, by the kilo, you know. A thousand grams. You could argue that's, you know, significant amount anyways. Yeah. Yeah. Did you have a good plug? On the Coke? Yeah. Yeah. I would get it from my homie in the hood. Yeah. So he was, and one thing about in the hood, when you buy versus getting it from, I would go to the hood to buy the Coke versus not ecstasy in any of the other stuff.

Right. Because that would be stepped on and taped down. But the Coke, when you get it from the right, who's getting it to give it to the homies in the hood, it had to be a certain percentage right because they're cooking it. Yeah. See what I'm saying?

See, in Hollywood, If I bought from the streets in Hollywood, it's stepped on because they're not cooking it. Right. So these people can get away with selling stepped on shit. See what I'm saying? Because you don't cook it. If you're cooking it,

it doesn't rock it. It has to be good because it's not going to come back. Yes, that will come back. So you're going to lose. So they have to have it right, you know, a certain percentage of it. So that's how I would get the best. Right.

And then go over there and kill everybody else in Hollywood with that. Okay. So then how did you meet O? What year? You know, what year was that? Maybe 2000. Ryan Reynolds here from Mittmobile. The message for everyone

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This is your party in ecstasy run. Yeah. Yeah. I was how to. I met him on the scene. That's how I met home. I see. So, like, I had all the fighters a party.

He had a lot of ball players on his team. And when we met, he needed water. He couldn't find good GHB. And that was my specialty. I love GHB. And so I blew away what he was getting in for like that. And that's how we kind of started our relationship. So he'd always hit me up for gals and gee, like, yo, I need to.

And then we started talking about other things, Roids and this and that. And then some things he had plugs on at the time as well. So we would back and forth. Right. Right. He became friendly. Yeah. And we became cool.

We parted together. You know what I'm saying? He always had hot chicks. And I'm part and I always had a crew of hot chicks and people. Yeah. Yeah. No, you're the black version of Owen. You're the black Owen. He's the white tank. Yeah.

You go together well, bro. Well, yeah. It's crazy because even when we talked about after we got arrested and everything, and it was like, we made a great combination because here's the thing. I got my own life and the way I like things. He has his own way of life and he has things. But together, this is how we became a really powerful team. O can go places I can't go. the way he looks, the way he moves, the way he talks, right?

He's more of a corporate guy. I can't go on corporate. I mean, I can. What I'm saying is, if I'm going to send somebody to do, I play chess, not checkers, right? He has a face that sells to America. Me, not everybody will accept my face, right? So when it comes to making money, I'm okay with taking a step back. Because I don't need to have fame.

I don't need to have any of that. As long as we're making money, I'm good. But then I can go to the streets where he can't go. See what I'm saying? He can't just pull up in the neighborhood. White guy, I don't care how he say he did this and did that. They're like, man, what the fuck? Hell no, this is the police.

See what I'm saying? No matter what he says, he has that look. So I did the street work. I always say that he's cooperated on the streets. But together, we are powerful. So, like, you need muscle, you need this? I got that. I got a thing.

Did you introduce him to the collector, that big Samoan collector for his betting business? No, no. No, we were all in. See, Colby used to be in Vegas with his part in. Oh, okay. Same. You've been on a scene, you run into a little bit of everybody.

Right. And I didn't introduce him to the, but, I mean, we mutually all knew each other from Vegas. Because you later would become basically, like, head of the logistics of what you guys were doing. Right. You know, the mules, the picking up, the transport. You hired a couple of drivers. I'm no one to put that team together. You put that whole team together.

Yeah. Anything that was with that muscle. Yeah. Okay. So how did that? Obviously, Owen, we know he was running a sports book, sports betting operation out of Costa Rica with, you know, big gamblers. And this is how he met, you know, one of the kingpins, one of the chappos, one of the chappos, you know, the sons. And now he's got this, he's got this Coke plug and he's moving money around. And eventually he starts getting kilos. And his story takes off into one direction, right? That whole odyssey in Australia. But how did you? was there stuff percolating before then when in terms of selling Coke? Yeah. Okay. Can you go into that? Like, tell us how it all came together.

So, me and O party for a while, then he disappeared for a while. I disappeared for a while. I got in relationship with one of my exes. He had got into relationship with his ex-wife. So we kind of didn't see each other for a while. So some time went by maybe a year or two. And I went to WMC, me and a couple of my friends. friends and we were at story. And so I had a little small table. We're talking about me, like $6,000

table. You know what I'm saying? I'm on a budget, you know? And I've always been like that. I don't spend money like that. Like I'm more of a like very humble. I'd rather just know that I got money put up than what's to shine. Because for me in my community, you know, if I come home in the bins, if I come home with Drew, you know, I make myself a target immediately. O can do it and nobody will look at him. See what I'm saying? So I always, I'm like street with it. So you saved your money. Yeah. Yeah. I saved a lot of money. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I saved money. And I just put aside and always, you know, kept a little nest egg because I didn't come from money. So I'm like, I really got to hold on this because I know this is, I don't have to go back to certain, you know,

struggling and stuff like that. So then we're there. And then I'm sitting there and then I'm like turned around. And I remember somebody came behind me and like grabbed me on my shoulder and got to my ears, like, give me some of that G. Right? And I was like, what the fuck? I look up, it's O. Right? And I go, oh, shit, damn, where the fuck you been? You know what I'm saying? We ain't seen each other in a long time. And he's like, man, listen, look, come to my

table over here. He's all going to fucking stage. Like a $15,000 table. He's got all these hot chicks with him, right? Him and his boy, Danny. And he's like, remember Danny? And I'm like, yeah, I remember Danny? He's like, man. So I look at my table. Man, we heard him grab our shit left this table and went to his table.

So we pull up. He's like, man, give me some of that G. You got the good shit? I'm said, come on, man. And I used to make my shit so strong. It'd be thick. Like, you got a cap. Your ass is G and out.

You know, but I'm addicted to it this time. So, like, you know, I'm immune to it. So I tell him, I was like, yo, be careful. Here, take some. Have some fun. So then we come to the table. I brought my little crew of girls and my boy. He got his crew of girls and Danny.

So we, like, partying and shit. And we're like on the stage with fucking. And it happened to me, I think, was it? David Gett, I think there too. it was weird. It was like one of those things and a couple other DJs. So we're on the table. I mean, we're at store. We're on the stage with him. And we're a party and all this good shit.

And, um, oh, disappears. What fuck the Ogo? So Danny's over here. He said, give him up. Before he left, he said, give Danny some. So I gave Danny some. He's like, give him another cat. He's like, no, bro. Like, he doesn't even do it. He's going to fucking G out. He's, and O likes that. He likes to get you so fucked up, right? Where you, like,

do some dumb shit. So like, he's like, give me another cat. And I'm like, man, I'm telling you, right? So I give daddy another cap. Then next you know, we part in, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the disappears, right? What you say? So the waitress comes up. She has the thing out. She says, what do you guys order next, right? And I look on the thing. Like, we only use like three grand, wherever shit. She's like, you still got 15,000 credit or like 14, 13,000 credit. So I'm looking for old texting. Like, yo, like, what do you want me to do? Order some more

bottles and shit or, you know, use up this credit? He's not answering. So then, bright, I said, just come back in about 30 minutes. So then Danny starts fucking G and out. Then he's happened. Now, I'm obviously here. I got all these drugs on me. So, like, when you start getting fucked up like that, it makes me, it puts it out, you know, the heat on me. So Danny's like, oh, fucking, I'm like, oh, fuck, right? So he's like, what do we do? I'm like, man, so I go and get the security guard, and I don't want to leave the table, but at the same time, I paid the security guard, say, look, take him out my, you know, sides and get some fresh air, whatnot, and to bring you back. Anyways, they took him my side. He fucking jeered out, so they had to call

the ambulance. I don't know. But I'm hoping. But I'm hoping. the table now. So now I'm texting Danny. He's not asking. Oh, he's not asking. Nothing. Fucking. So the lady comes back. I'm like, fuck it. It's getting late now. Yeah, I got to burn up all this mic. So I start ordering shit. I got all these girls with me. Now it becomes my table. So now I'm like fucking passing alcohol out. We're having fun, right? Like, I'm like, yo, and I'm texting. Like, bro, I'm about to use all this shit up. Like, boom. Anyways, we're about to leave. It's like 6 a.m. the next morning, he finally texts his back. He's like, yo. I'm like,

well, where the fuck you been, bro? We're about to leave. I'm gonna just close out this check and everything. He was like, yo, man, I had to leave, right? So what happened? He said, man, I fucking started jeeing out. So he went to the bathroom. I guess he was in there throwing up and shit

at the same time. So he was all fucked up. And then he got about there. You know what I'm saying? Before there, because he obviously, if you go out, they're going to, you know, ambulance, police and all this shit. But that was our start of our new relationship. And then, so we parted.

a couple more times than we came home to WMC. Then when I got back, he's like, yo, I'm going to Coachella, you want to go? I was like, yeah, fuck it, all right? So it's like the same week. We're the next weekend, we're going to Coachella. So then I remember, he's like, yo, send me a gallon of water. I'm going to send my driver to pick you up to get the water, right?

I forgot this kid's name he had working for him, but he was kind of like a little mentally off. You know what I'm saying? And he pulls up in this Cadillac truck that has you know how, like, they convert to Cadillac trucks now into these like captain chairs and with the screen goes up everything so he was like when the guy big mike who did that he's big mike was he did his limo shit he used to customize shit like that and um i pull up he opens up the door and i look in it was all white interior

blue or black and i was like damn this shit is clean as fuck right like like see this was like nobody was doing this yet you know what i'm like damn he's like so i text him like yo But it's your shit? He's like, yeah. And I was like, oh, shit. So I'm like looking at this. And then I'm looking at him with driving. I'm saying, wait a minute.

Some things can change, though. Like, I knew he had money before, but like, this is starting to show like some. He's getting real money now, like this type of shit. And he was driving around in Panama. He was, you know. Right. So I'm like, damn, right? I give him the water and everything.

He's like, yeah, man, we're going to Coachella. I said, I'm going to take the, I used to call it the mobile office, right? He's like, yeah, I'm going to take that. He's going to drive it up. I'll be in a Panama. But if you want to go, he'll pick you up. You can drive up and that. He said, just get some girls.

So I got some girls. They pick me up. We jump in that thing. We party all. We up to Coachella. And his buddy had a big ass house out there. So the same thing. We pull up, part in, Coachella, back.

We did like three, four days of that. Same thing while now. And I'm like, damn, all right. And then, oh, pay for everything where we went. Right? We have VIP, everybody VIP wristbands. I'm like, damn, he's just spending money and not even care. Like, I got money and I still wouldn't do this.

You know what I'm saying? But not like on his. level money. Right. But still, are you still at this point? Are you still, is the ecstasy still booming? Oh yeah, yeah. I'm staying partying. This is what we do. You know what I'm saying. Do you made millions off this ecstasy lick? I mean, over a period of time. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. But not like, because obviously I still have my own lifestyle, you know, spinning the streets and doing whatever. But I made really good money off of it. I mean, I was, I was eating good. I had no, I had a house in Sherman Oaks, two-story that I was renting out for like $7K a month.

I have four or five cars, what I wanted. You know, it was like very modest. And I live by myself, right? Like, I remember girls are coming on. Like, you stay here by yourself? Like, well, yeah, it was like a four bedroom, you know, and all my cars are clean. You know, I was like, so, yeah. It's not like when you connect on like a source kilo plug, though.

You know what I mean? Like it just ecstasy money doesn't turn over the way like wholesale Coke, you know, moving 100 bricks at a time. Yeah, because, you know, now you're talking about it at one particular time. Yeah. Like for me, it was like, you know, it was a process. You had to break it down, get it to everybody and everything. It serves like you coming in and just saying, give me 10 kilos, give me 20 kilos in one month.

You know what I'm saying? And you wanted that or you grew to want it when you saw it when you saw it. You always want more money, obviously, with less work, you know. Yeah. So that's who wouldn't want that. But then that's how we started, you know, getting back together. and moving around and doing stuff. And then I started seeing how his money was.

So then we went from there and I want to say like two weeks later, he says, man, I'm going to Vegas. You want to go? Fuck again. I'm like, damn, you just spent all this money from Coachella. I mean, Miami. I mean, he must have spent about 80, maybe 60 to 80K in Miami because we went to like every night the hottest table or the hottest club everywhere.

Then we came back and did Coachella, all VIP backstage, whatever you can think. Then from there we went to Vegas. and I seen him burn a hundred grand. Like we literally went on a Friday, and by Tuesday, he burnt through a hundred grand just pool, club, I mean, dinner, club, sweet, right? Same thing all over again, after hour,

pool, club, sweet, after hour, everything. And he's got like, we got like 15 people that he's paying for everybody. So I'm like, not even. Like, when the check comes around, nobody pitched in. None of the guys ever here.

And I'm like, and he doesn't care, right? like, what the fuck, right? So he enjoyed that, you know, that boss kind of shit, right? So I'm like, shit, I'm, I'm in. And plus, I'm making money, you know what I'm saying? Because I'm bringing all the best drugs. I'm getting them in everywhere.

So I'm still making my money and partying and living the best, right? So then after that when we came back, we were still moving around and I was helping out here and there. But I mean, we had some really important clients coming in from somewhere. I think in a guy from Australia, like this guy owns like an island. And he's like, yeah, he's coming in. And he's supposed to have his Coke ready in the mobile office. His driver was supposed to go pick him up from the airport.

He likes a certain amount of Coke in here, a certain way. You know, him and his wife comes in. You know, one of his high-end clients. And the driver fucking ran off. Blue the Coke. You know what I'm saying? Because he had Coke habit. And disappeared in the truck.

He's like, man, I don't know what my fucking truck is. He didn't pick him up. Dope. And I'm like, well, what the fuck are you doing with this guy? And he's like, yeah, man, it's like the third time he did this. He's like, man, I don't know what to do. He says, you know, I don't get anybody else to trust. And I was like, man, I'll take that position.

Like, why not? Like, he said, you will? He's like, all right, well, go ahead. So I fucking went and took the cars back from him, took everything from this guy. He got rid of him. And I said, I'll take care of that. And he would have clients come in. I started picking him up and doing a little work for him on the side.

Then he needed collections. I said, I got somebody for that. And this is, these are betting clients. Yeah, betting clients. Yeah. And so I said, I got somebody for that. You know, Mavik's owed you some money. I got somebody for that.

He says, all right. He says, like, you know, you get a percentage off every collection. So I got a team ready to go. You know what I'm saying? And that's how we started. I started moving up in the ladder with him, right? Because I'm like, man, I want some of this kind of life right here. Like, this guy's moving around.

And then he started seeing the way I was moving. And plus, I'm like, solid. Trust. Like, I don't care about money. Like, I'm not going to run off, whatever is stupid. And when it comes to money, I'm like, on my shit. and I started moving up. Then he starts opening up more to me.

Then he starts telling me how this money he made in Australia, this, that, and there was like, man, how did you? I was like, from the time I left you to now, like, well, how did you make all this extra money now? Right? Because he had a sick-ass house. He was rebuilding Avenue 6 to this big fucking thing. And then we went to Miami.

No, we actually went to Kabul, me, him, and his ex-wife, flew down in the private, did some stuff down there, hung out and on another trip. Then we came back from there and then it was like the fourth. He said, I'm going to Miami.

You want to come up here for the fourth for the weekend. So I had my ex. I met up there. He had his girl. And while we're there, after the fourth or whatever, he says, I was about to get ready

to go back home. He says, why don't you just come over to my Costa Rica house? And I was like, ah, all right, fuck it. Let's go, right? So my ex, she said, yeah, I rock with you. Let's go.

So then we flew to Costa Rica, I was blown away by then. This was the sickest house in the middle of the jungle, hanging off the heel, overlooking like, yo, I'll show you these pictures of this place. It was insane. It looked like the SLS when you walk in in the middle of the jungle. Wow. Like, he even had the replica of the SOS duck sent there with a waterfall coming off of it. All glass.

The third floor was glass. So when you walk on the third floor, it's all glass, right? So it was like a living room above the living room, but the floor is glass, right? So you can look down into the liver room. No, I can't make this. I'm going to show you the pictures, right? And you can see, I can see you down in the living room. And then there was when you open up all the glass at house, the pool right here,

like just little small pools, a guy. And so I walk in this thing and I'm like, I'm like, bro, what the fuck? I'm like, yeah, man, I've been down here and doing. this for a minute now and I'm like oh shit so this was old news to him but it was new to me and I'm like damn I was like this guy is and then he got a Cadillac truck there in the middle of so we're driving the Cadillac truck in the middle of jungle when people are in like these old cars and jeeps and we're like pulling in town in a Cadillac truck yeah you know so he's getting he's still running his bedding operation but he's he's mostly I think now this is coke money no this is

all betting money still this is bed money okay so then how did how did you get get into the Coke. I mean, we know how he got into it. I mean, he's been dealing with, not saying, you know, he obviously had all his drugs and going on. But, you know, what, oh, he's got a thousand things. He's making money off of it. Remember, just moving money, you make money.

Yeah. I can just sit back. I mean, there's like, you know, especially in America, right? Just moving money back and forth from East and West Coast. You got downtown L.A. Remember when they had that big muddy laundering thing? I guess the cartels are using downtown districts, do all that? Billions of dollars coming through.

thing. But there's like moving money from East and West Coast, just moving money. You get so many points on it. You know what I'm saying? So for every like 100,000 you're moving, whoever's moving the money is making like 30,000, maybe three, four point. Who knows, right? Right.

You know? And so he's making money every which way. He's a hustler like me. Like, I got my hands in everything, you know? And so as I'm looking at all this, I start growing up the ladder and in. And now he gives me the keys to this. Listen, anytime you want to come back, you know. I'm like, man, I'm coming back.

Like, I loved it over there. It was so beautiful, so nice. It was just everything. The food, the women. He takes me, he says, listen, we're going to go to the casino tonight. All right, let's go. So I got my girl with me. So we go down to the casino and we walk in the Kauk, which is the casino.

And I remember as soon as I walk on the door, my jaw dropped. It was like 100 girls across the wall. Like when you come in, I mean, beautiful. Walk in, every shape, every size. And I got my ex with me. And I'm like, and I look at him. Like, man, why would you come here with my ex? She is never going to let me come back up to she see it.

Because she knows how I am, right? Like, what? And I was like, man, I sat down. Man, I was nervous. It was so many girls in there. I ain't never seen that, right? And I'm like, yo, this is crazy, right? Like, and they're like pulling on you, tugging on you and everything.

And I'm like, this is next level. You know what I'm saying? And so we hung out there. And we finally came back. And then I remember the whole time I was back, I was like, you got to go back. Right? And he's like, he's like,

I haven't seen nothing yet. Wait till we go to Cancun. Where we go to Kabul? Where until we go to Peru and all these Panama? I'm like, man, I'm in. You know, because I wasn't leaving out of the country. I'm just in my little section around the United States. Yeah.

This just opened my mind to a whole other. Remember, I'm east side, L.A. From the hood. Hood. So like, my brain is like, it's booming. It's popping right now. Most dudes from south central. They don't even see the beach.

They came and grasped. They didn't even go. I was telling my homies when I came back. And I'm like, man, shut the fuck up. Like, get out of here with that. Yeah. And so, wow. Yeah.

Yeah, that was intense. And I think that was a game changing for me right there. Right. Now I'm like, I'm pushing to make real money. Because I'm like, I want this for myself. You know, right? And so, yeah, we came back and we start moving around and, you know, we became more closer and tighter. He's more trusting me.

So now he's just giving me the keys to everything. Like, yo. Because he's just, like, having dinners, making moves, you know, doing all the fun stuff. You know what I'm saying? And I'm like, I'm okay with it because I don't mind doing this dirty work because where I come from, dirty work is even worse than this. So this is an upgrade for me. You know what I'm saying? And I can, you know, hang at this house, you know, and then like what was his was mine.

You know what I'm saying? So I don't need to buy it. Because I mean, he ain't got to buy a house down there. Use this or why. Save your money. You know what I'm saying? So how'd you step it up. And that's how I started growing up the ladder with him.

And then as I'm doing that, I'm making money, more money, and doing things. And then I started doing my own things on the side. How so? Explain. So, like, I started doing, like, parties down there. And I would charge people. I would do, like, these destination parties. Like, yo, let's do a party down at the house down here in Costa Rica.

Bring the DJs, you know, stuff like that. And then when I got there, I had, like, my little Aaron boy over there. His name is Peeing. He's from Costa Rica. So when I need a K, like, I'd run out of K because I'd bring all the shit from America here. And we'd run out because it was like a bunch of us partying. here and I'm like I call ping ping I said man I need this I show him the vow okay can't I mean I said you got to go get it from like a veterinarian or something like that I mean he drove like

two hours away like two in the morning found some vet in the middle of no it brings me back a big ass thing but I'm paying him great money that he would never like probably making six months yeah and um he loved it right he would bring food he would bring girls he would bring this but like the people there would when I take friends out of that they would be blown away by it was like So you would charge, like, rich guys from the States? I would take my, like, people's girls and my boys who had money. And I say, listen, look, I'm going to get you your girls. You got the best drugs.

And you're going to stand the most, you know, next level villa. And it's like three different security. You can't even just come in, you know, and you just be here. And so, yeah, it was badass. So I started hustling, you know, like, I'm adding to mine as well. You know what I'm saying? And obviously I'll take care of him or whatever. He don't care.

You know what I'm saying? he's making money, he'd come down, party, he'd leave. You know, so same thing, you know. But yeah. And then, and then from there, coming back, I would use his resources and what I needed things. Like, he obviously had any professional level type stuff or ever needed.

I don't care what it was. He knew somebody. He had a guy. And it was always, like, sorority, frat, you know, like people, he was in his alumni. Like, he had a, he had a, you know, and that's how people don't realize. that going to college isn't really

as much as I don't think the education but it is the bond that you make with those guys. Because me and you and you're brothers now and you go off to be a lawyer. He goes off to be a doctor. These are lifelong partners that you can use in life that are important. See what I'm saying? See, mine, I like that. I grew up in the hood

so only I can resort to him from his violence. Like, oh, I got a guy for that. You know what I'm saying? But how it's not getting you any money. That's not getting anywhere, right? So, you know, I got a guy that's got drugs, I got a guy for that. But, like, those ain't real resource in life. That's just, you know, obviously what it is. So that was how I was able to grow further, right?

Like, and get to the next level. Because my guys I called on, they never really, as far as it was street level. That's okay. I got some light. But beyond that, I can never go past that. You know what I have was this. So that's what elevated me to the next level. So I can just call, oh, hey, man, I need to help me figure this out or this.

You know, I didn't know how to buy it. I didn't know how to do these things. I didn't know how to get past this with loans and interests and all that. So I was learning that from him and moving forward. So one of the big co-conspiracy start to ramp up? So then he, yeah, he started, he still had the Australian thing jumping off. And he started making these moves, bigger moves down there, especially like with the wine bottles and mixing and stuff.

And it's funny because I used to tell him, I was like, man, you're really getting some real federal. I should tell him because I'm street. I know not to fuck with the fed. These people above the law. They don't work on this playing field that you, when you see on TV, like, oh, yeah, you got to have this. They can't just come in and do that.

No, the feds can do what they want to do. You've even heard that when even the president said that. He said, man, they got way too much power. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, this goes all the way back from Jay Edgar Hoover. Right. This ain't know.

If you study the history of this organization, you don't fuck with these people. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, they haven't. They have unlimited money and they do whatever they want. Do whatever they want. Do whatever they want and they get a kick out of it. They love to allow you to get and become something and come take it all down, take all that money and use it how they want to use it.

See what I'm saying? That's why it's so important for you to become big. We need you to do that. You're basically doing the work that we can't do it because we're a professional organization. So we can't just sell dope to make this illegal money. But we want you to do it. Right. Right?

Because then now we're doing our job. We're coming in a restroom, right? but nobody ever questions where that money goes and high rules around now. You know what I'm saying? Right. Okay, so we're going to get into that because this is fascinating.

Were you helping O, like, break down the Coke and helping them ship it to Australia? That was more, not, that wasn't more of my thing, but I made sure the money got to where it needed to be. See, you know, he had money coming in from wires. He had money in all these things, obviously. I would deal with the weight coming over from the border, getting it in,

hiding places, stashes. I mean, we had trucks that had, you know, stash parts that went through the frame of the body, pick up trucks where the bed was a fake bed, you lift it up. You know what I'm saying? I even, you know, it's funny. I think I still have a video of it.

But I'll show you how you would lift up the bed of it. You take the screws out, you lift it up, and it was a false bottom. But you could put like over 100 kilos sliding and you'll never think it was in there. So you had a pickup truck. I would put trash. cans, lawnmores, everything on top of that. You never, you would never. Did you have somebody

to build the traps? Did you already know somebody that could do that? Yeah, I have a guy who would build all the traps up in and stuff like that. Who is that? Somebody from the hood or was it? No, these are like, custom box, you know, these guys do custom old school cars and everything. They can do whatever you want. Right. And they know what you're asking to do. They know they're building traps. Yeah. Yeah. In fact, I think they're trying to arrest people now for making traps. Oh, you get, no, they're not trying because they just, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, the most dangerous part of it because these guys get it in.

Like, it's like seven years if you get caught for that. Wow. As a mechanic, building the traps. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You get seven years. You'll get less for having a couple keys of code than you will for building that trap. It's fucked up. See what I'm saying?

You're like, I really get caught with the dope. Like, fuck that. Then build the trap. See what I'm saying? Yeah. So you got to know who's asking. Yeah, yeah. It's hard.

Yeah, it's hard to find, I mean, the good, good guys, because they don't trust anybody, right? You got to really know somebody to get that done. And that's why, like, O' couldn't really. Right. You know. So you got Coke mainly moving in through the Tijuana, the border, yeah. The Ote Mesa and the other one. Yeah.

The San Jacinto or something. Yeah. Okay. So tell us about that. Tell us about the hop. This stuff fascinates me. Yeah. So remember, I call it jumps, right?

The jumps. From wherever the drugs is coming in, it's got to get jumped over a port, a border, whatever it is. If you start from, let's give example, Peru, right, obviously when O was saying, how it's cheap down there, every time it gets jumped, that's what makes the price go up. Of course. Right? The further you are away from the drug is the more expensive in Australia. That's why you get so much.

It's so far away. It's secluded by no borders and no nothing. It's so hard to get in. Two things that make Coke prices go up or any drug price goes up. The tougher the law and the harder it is to get it in, that's even in the joint. simple is. It's simple mathematics. Of course. Right? If it's hard to get in here on a yard, the price goes up on it.

So you'd be on one yard, the same drug is only $100. You go on another yard, it's $1,000 because it's harder to get in. So when it would get jumped across the border, we would, we had it. We designed it this. When they got jumped, I didn't go pick it up. I said, they need to sit it somewhere for two weeks, and then I'll come get it. Because that way, see, the fares ain't going to let it sit for that long. So if it gets jumped and it's sitting there for two weeks,

they're going to come and get it. See what I'm saying? So that would for me, it would clear my head and conscience of going to get it. Because I'm like, fuck that. It just came over. I don't know if they're watching this shit. You know what I'm saying?

Okay. Wow. Fascinating. So they would jump it across the border. And then you would have a spot to tell them, okay, you park the car or the truck. They had to have a safe house somewhere. Okay.

So they brought it to a safe house. Yeah. And you would tell them, hey, I'll be back in two weeks. Yeah. Let that step for the load. Wow. Okay, so you must have got on a rotation where like, because how many, how many keys, you know, these guys are buying thousands of keys at a time from Peru. How many were coming across into San Diego every day?

Oh, fuck. I mean, just in batches. For us, I mean, you know, it depends, right? So, you know, these organizations, from what I've seen how they work, you got like these big heads, they all. put in at the same time. So me and you are big guys from Mexico. Right. I mean, listen, at the end of the day,

they all want to make money. They don't want to deal with all the kids. They just do that for power circles and everything else. They just want to make money, right? Me and you say, listen, I got to weigh in. You put a hundred on. I put a hundred on. I'll put 500, you put 500 on.

They all go on there. So say a thousand comes over, well, we might only be picking up 200 off this load. 200 going somewhere else, 200 going somewhere else, but for ours, put mine over here, put our 200 side over here, then I'll come down and grab, I mean, I'll have my runner grab it or I'll grab it from here.

And then I sit it in our safe house, our own, you know, me and O got, which is our personal, that I set up and let that sit. And then from there, it gets sent to the, however we're going to get it out of here, truckers, what he's going to send to mail or whatever else. I see it. Okay, so tell us about these. stash houses where the coke would first go after across the border?

Well, so they had their own. Yeah. They would have their own. And then mine, then we have ours. Right. So tell us about theirs. Who are these people? Are these like Mexican Americans?

Are these literal Mexicans that they just sent across guarding these houses? Like, or do they put them in people that have families? Yeah, they could put it in family house. They'll put it. They might have a house stash side. I mean, I've picked it up in people's families. here. Like regular house, you pull up kids out, King Seattle going on,

pinata's getting hit, and you just come out the back and roll out four or five when it breaks and I'm like, like, wow. You know what I'm saying? And those are like the best houses, right? Because those are protected in the neighborhoods, everybody knows each other. Nobody's telling on each other. Right. Versus like some just warehouse in the middle of nowhere. Of course. See what I'm saying? Of course. Those are the ones

I like coming to. You know what I'm saying? Who was dealing? Who were you dealing with? Running things? We had PGP. See, I'm like this. I don't need to know you. See what I'm saying? Because the more you know, the more you become a target if anything goes wrong. I don't know you, you don't know what me. Like when, oh, you give an example.

Like if, oh, we go somewhere and he meet up with a big guy, I don't want to know. I don't want to see it. I might be back here. Obviously, I got you back as far as I can. But like, I don't want to meet him. I don't need to meet him. So you had the PGP, the untraceable phone with no camera, no microphone, nothing. It was just texting.

Yeah. Okay, so. So they would have a handler in the handler out from there. He just, he'll send you the address. Whoever I'll be dealing with because they all have one. I'll hit him. Won't where you at? Well, there.

All right, cool. And I'm there. I'll just go pick it up and go. And would they give you the quantity amount just so you knew what kind of trap you were going to have, what kind of trap car to get back up to L.A.? I don't need it. Owing them and making the deals. So OSA, we got 200 coming in.

Okay. And we got this coming in. And it ain't like, I ain't got to worry about, they ain't go steal nothing. I don't go steal nothing. Of course not. Yeah, so it's not like one of those kind of deals where I don't know if they, because even if they fuck up, I ain't got to do with that. We ain't got to do with that. Always is going to relay that back to them.

They'll deal with that. You know what I'm saying? So I don't really care. You know what I'm just picking up what y'all got. All right, well, you only gave me 200 of them. It's supposed to be 250. Well, I don't know what other 50 is. They deal with that.

Okay. So O let you know. Tell us about the different traps, different trap cars pertaining to the different weights you had to pick up. Yeah. So, I mean, obviously always the biggest. We had minivans with the whole floor out of it. We had a, we had a, what was it a, um, um, um, range rover. That was a frame. You'd have to take off the front wheel, but it was, once you take off the wheel, it had like a track inside the frame. You take this piece off and you could pull out a whole, like, the, the, the bricks were just sliding all the way down the frame, pickup trucks. How many could you get in a

range rover in the frame? I think it was 20 on both sides. Something like that. Something about that. 20 on both side. And then we had a, you know, when I was in New York, we had a, who was it? This was the best one. It was a, what's that little car?

The Fiat? Like the Fiat? Yeah, Fiat. That bad baby would hold like 45. Wow. they had a trap and then that was they did it in New York. That shit was insane. I was like,

yo, we got to buy this one. They was trapping in New York on a whole other level. Because you really have to be on your shit in New York. Right, right. Yeah, yeah. I had a fiat out there and I had a, I can't remember what this other truck was. But it had like a whole special trap in it too.

Okay, so tell us about just for a minute, just the San Diego to L.A. How often were you guys going down there? Who was your crew, your team of drivers? how did you recruit them? How did you vet them? How did you make sure that they didn't get popped and then turn around?

Because it was only, I only used my boys besides my cousin was one of them and I had two more guys. So I've been with them for my whole life. Right. If they get popped, they ain't known. We family. Yeah, they're solid.

Yeah. Okay. And as far as meeting with the guys from San Diego, that could be different because that's obviously they're runners. So there's no way to really vet them. Some of them spoke English. some of them didn't, you know what I'm saying?

They just come, drop. You know, obviously we got, like, a certain way of knowing who that is. And, yeah. How often were you running back and forth? Yeah. I don't know, every two weeks, maybe. You know what I'm saying? And then we get them up in here.

I mean, one time I was sitting in our safe by now, and right here in, like, the valley, where I live at, and San Fernando. and we had this fake Charlie, our buddy, the manager who actually passed away, he built this fake, because we had all these like fake cabinet doors and stuff. Actually, stuff he used to sell and do with his projects, but it was like a warehouse for that, and that's what it looked like. So we had this mock setup of a kitchen, right? But it was really a false wall.

So like if we had a, you know, when you look in here right now, now, like if you look at, say you go to a furniture store and has his mom, live room, so it's this whole kitchen with a refrigerator, washing, dry, and everything. And basically the one of the shelves and the refrigerator came out, and it was a wall. You put it like this. You hit the button, and it would come, and we had two big, big safes behind it. That was, but you couldn't tell because you didn't know the death. You couldn't tell the death of this warehouse.

because they were all stacked behind it. You know what I'm saying? So you're in your mind when you look in here, you would never guess. Everything else was just a clean floor. So you just had the wall with that. You had doors stacked up in here. So that whole side would open up.

And it opened up these safes, both of them. And I mean, we had like, me and my cousin, and what was they had, like, almost like 600 keys at a time, stacked up, different, you know, brands, bricks. And I remember, like, it was so funny because they used to have these ones. They had Nazi stamps on them, right? And they was fire.

Like, everybody was asking. I remember all the black guys were in, like, New York. I'm like, man, what's them Nazis at? Like, when I was jumping into the dudes out there, they're like, yo, you got them Nazis. Like, they were, like, this epic. You know what I'm saying? What were some of the different stamps besides this, Swasica? Nike's, Adidas, fucking El Hinche, Mexico, like, made in Mexico.

Those are, like, on the Heron bricks. And I remember a brick that was gray. You know, I'm not familiar with bricks of Heron. That never been my thing. I kind of never didn't want it, but it was so much money. make off of it and it was in the order so I still had to move them but like this shit was gray and you know when you open up hair around like you got to be careful that you're not even smelling it yeah you know what I'm saying like people don't realize that like this is just dangerous to even

lay around yeah you know what I'm saying so like remember I had to check them and open up this gray brick because they usually come in in brown or certain little colors like this off white yeah and I've never seen that before this is pre-fentanol yes pre-fentanyl yes pre-fentanyl Fetano. So this is this coming from Mexico or is this South American heroin? No, this is, well, I mean, I'm not too familiar with how that, but it was Mexico. So it was mostly gray. Gray.

Solid gray. I've never seen that before. I was like, damn, it's gray. I'm like, you sure this is? And it was like, yeah. And then I remember the tester came back from the dude. He's like, yo, that shit is fire. So what was one of those selling for on the East Coast?

Like, what they going for back then? Something like 50,000. somebody 45, 50,000. Crazy. Yeah, because the bricks were like 36 to 38,000. Somewhere around there, depending on how good it was. I think we'll say 36,000, and the heroin was like 45, 48,000, something like that, yeah. Damn, that, you guys are federal.

600 bricks in this warehouse. And you would let them sit, and these are all stamped going to different crews on the East Coast mostly. Right. And you would let those sit when they, first came in. You wouldn't touch them. Then we grab them. Then we put in our spot. They'll sit about a week. And then they, wherever they want to, we want to send it. You know, and we'd have to drop it off of trucks. Right. Stops and whatever. Because obviously it's getting shipped to the East Coast or whatever. Then the chocolate factory as well. Right. Right. Right.

The chocolate factory. Did, were you also responsible for testing them? Like you said, you opened a mom. Yeah. Yeah. I used to have to bring my guy in the test. But I couldn't, here's the thing. It was weird because only me and my cousin knew about the wear a sake spot. I already knew nothing. You can't just, you know, this game is such a high level of you got to be sharp. You know what I'm saying? Because I don't want to get myself in a new one where I'm going to get killed in a deaf situation where you bring somebody to test.

And then he's testing, you know, it's different like South America with like what he used to do. But here is like, you know, somebody come back, steal it, rob it, or whatever. You know what I'm saying? Like, how are you going to explain that to anybody? Like, this is millions of dollars of stuff. You know what I'm saying? Right. They got robbed.

They don't want to do that. Like, like, what old situation, right? So you have to test every brick? Like, how did you do that? How did you? Whoa. So mine was, I used to go, same thing. I would go to Costa Rica and then have it tested there.

So when it came over, we knew what it was. So you knew what it was. Yeah. Yeah. Because I wasn't going to start doing that in America. Because then I would bring. too much. So I would fly my tester guy and come in there. And then I would meet the guys down in Costa Rica in the jungle. Fucking, we get them all tested before they come across. Wow. So you get

testing hundreds of hundreds of bricks. Same thing. 100,000. So whatever. We just sit down there. And I just have my guy cook him up and he would, same thing going. And see in New York, what they do is same thing. We call them retreads. What they'll do is they'll, like you, they'll retread them. So they'll take and break it all the way down and then step on it. then they got the same press machine, press it back together, like a brick, like how they do it there,

but it would all be, you know. But like I said, I tested here, safer, easier. I don't have to stress. I ain't worried about the feds kicking in the door because they ain't here.

I'm in the middle of the jungle. The only thing I got to worry about is getting killed. But it's not about that because I don't transfer money down here. Right. See what I'm saying? All I'm doing is testing.

So there's no reason to kill me for anything. And everybody's paid off. And everybody's paid off. So it's different. This isn't, in America's when, the deaf comes in, right? Or you're dealing with something like that.

When you're testing these kilos in Costa Rica, how are they arriving from Columbia or from Peru? Same thing. They was coming to ports or however they got them across the borders. Okay. Paid off. And then they drive them, meet you in wherever location. Okay.

We come down there, pick the ones we want and say, okay, this one's good. This one's bad. This one's this. This is that. I get all these ones. These all came back a certain way. You know what I'm saying?

Because even when they came in, they came from different manufacturers. This is not. Like, it could come from the same factory or whoever made them and brought him here. Or it could be from, like you said, we from where we're from, you had somebody put a hundred on. I put a hundred on. But yours could have came from whoever made yours. So when we get here, I'd pick the ones I want because it'd be different rappers and different, you know, yours might have blue cellophane.

This might be red. So obviously I'd peel it. I'm like, ooh, these look good. Put these aside. Right. My guy would start testing them, cooking them. Okay, that one was good. That was good.

That was good. and I just start stacking the ones we want. And these are all owned by whoever Owen is working for in Mexico. These are all kilos. You're working on his behalf. Right. Right. Okay, got it.

And so when a load comes in, Owen lets you know, hey, the load's coming from Peru. It's going to be in Costa Rica. Boom, I'm going to fly down there. I'm going to work on his behalf, Hefe's behalf. Right. Right. And then get him the best ones. Right, right.

Makes sense. So I shoot down there. do all that because he went down a few times, but then that, you know, again, if he got somebody else to do it, why would he could be flying around the country and having wine and, you know, with the hottest chick and doing whatever. Right. Okay. So, so you trace the cocaine now. You've got it from Costa Rica all the way up to your stash house in the valley. And the routes, the different customers. Did you start developing your own connects, your own buyers on the East Coast, or were those still all Owens?

Those are all mine on the East Coast. Right. Okay, so you literally opened up new markets for the Sino-Laua cartel. Basically. Wow. Yeah. Wow. Okay.

So how did that evolve from going, just from delivering wherever these guys wanted you to deliver to actually, like, making your own customers? Right. So I'm getting it for cheap because these guys is buying them both. So I'm like, I ran into one of my boys. We're part in Vegas. Same thing. So my East Coast boys, my Italian partners and all that.

You got a different organization, New York crew. So one of my boys from out there, he's real big. He's like, yo, he said, man, can you get me some of that shit on the East Coast, man? He said, I'm having problems with finding good shit. Right? And he, like, every time we part in Vegas, I mean, you always have the fire, right? I was like, yeah, let me see what I can do. And it started off with that.

So then it was funny. I got it all set up to get it there. Boom. We landed at first load truck company. So I had to fly out there. originally he was supposed to land to my boy. He was going to grab it and that was it. Well, when I got there with it, I started hitting my boy up.

He didn't answer. So I got stuck out there for like 20 pieces. Like, fuck. This motherfucker bullshit him. Let me do all this to come way out here and got out of here. But now I can't go back to old and he go back to whoever he's dealing with. Fuck. So then I called one of my guys from New York.

I'm like, no, listen, I got 20 pieces out here, right? And he says, all right, let me set something up. I got you because he was from New York, but he lived in L.A. So then he gives me a contact with it with his boys. Boom. He was, what was he? He was, what was his name? But he was, he came, pulls up.

And then the good thing about is my guy, he had this sprinter business. Before anybody was doing the sprinters. He was one of the first on the East Coast. So he had these hot sprinters all decked down inside. You know, that's a big thing now. I was on the leading ads and when people were starting these things he had all the cars you wanted

he was just buying them and renting them out right so he had a driver my driver pulls up on me right and so it's my guy me and him are still good friends day

me and the guy who we were dealing with I don't fuck with him anymore but the his driver which was my man right now to this day he picks me up he says I'm gonna take you over to meet this guy

I went over there he's a Dominican kid he says listen what you got. I said, I got this. So I pull out a brick. He looks at it. He says, give it to me to me see what it do. All right. He leaves. He comes back. He says, man, listen, give me everything you got. And that's how it started. And within like three days, I had moved 20 pieces. Wow. So then I'm back at the room trying to count all this money yet. We're talking about 36,000, thousand per brick times 37, which is like 2460.

What is that? What, 246? Like, I know I was in there counting this money. It's about 700 Gs or something. Yeah, close to me or something like that. Now, here comes the next part of it. I'm back at the room with all this shit in the room trying to count all this. Because it doesn't just come nicely neat.

No. This comes in trap money, tens, 20s, ones, hundreds, all these things, right? So I got to get it all ready to get back. And it's funny because I hear a lot of guys, oh, man, I was doing all this. I said, how was you getting your money back and forth, right? And it's all you just do this and do that, really. You can just trust somebody with a million dollars.

It's actually, to me, I think it's more harder to move the money. Of course it is. Than the drugs. Yeah. Because it's money. Yeah. All the dirty work has been done. That's right.

Somebody can grab this and disappear and use this immediately. Nope, you can't. You got to turn that into money. Right. You know, and it's so much more of a harder thing. Money's the end of the line, yeah. Money's in the line, right? So you can't just give a person a million dollars and say,

this back to the, he disappeared. What happened to him? He's in another country now living good. So I remember accounting it, and this is when this problem came in. I'm like, fuck, this takes for days. Like, you're counting his money, get it already, shipped, get it here. But I did it so quick that O was like, damn, okay, you got my attention now. What's up?

Where else you need, right? So I said, well, I'm coming home first, right? So I came home, sat back, and I'm like, damn, that was quick, three days, right? And I remember telling my wife now back then, I was like, man. I got much of my main day one week. This blew away whatever I was doing in the streets and the clubs and everything. So I kind of gave that operation to, I handed it down to my, just give me a percentage of whatever you guys make there.

Okay. So you're not even fucking with ecstasy anymore. I mean, here and here, but now I was like. So you just made 350 Gs? Yeah. In like fucking three days. And you didn't have to put down any of your own money. Think about that.

You're getting it from the cartel. And Owen is dealing with all of the logistics. All of your doing. doing is being the point man, making sure it all gets to where it's supposed to be. Beautiful. Beautiful. It was like a beautiful marriage. Like you came to that. And now, because I'm not from New York, I could be who I want to be here. See what I'm saying? So when I shot, when I was there, I felt like the king of New York. You know, remember the movie in New York? I'm like, man, I got sprinters taking me everywhere. And I started learning

the town, right? Because in the hot spots and I'm pulling up. I remember pulling up to one of the strip clubs out there and then one of old's good friends is Luke Petriott just played for the Giants. Big, tall, fun guy to hang out with. And he's, wherever he goes in New York, he's the man. So he would come hang out with me.

And we go to strip clubs, they roll out the red carpet and all that. So I would show up with all these people, right? And they're like, damn, this kid is somebody. And you know, one thing about New York is still old school. they're like, it's like a mob town still, you know what I'm saying? They still, you could take, man, I would go into like Louvitton and all that because I had to get rid of the fives and the tens because you, you know, $20,000 of fives and tens like, you know, it's hard to move that, ship that around.

Right. So that was like, I used that as my spending money for clubs, strip clubs, like dinners and everything else. So how were you getting the, the 20s, 50s, and hundreds? How are you getting that money back? Well, we had routes coming back with truckers, depending on how big it was. And we also had routes in the mail that would be used. You know what I'm saying?

Okay. Tell us about the mail first. And the shipping company. Right, right. Yeah, the shipping company, the chocolate factory. Yep. So they would ship it back with their trucks or however they did mail as well. So.

Now it's hard to trust people, as we said, with all that money. So these truckers know what they were taking back? Not really. Their job is grab something and go. That's it. Okay. Because they get paid for whatever that. Some probably did, you know, for the most part.

But that was their routes. They deal with all that. All that did was box it, however they want it, and then handed to whoever they deal with that. You know what I'm saying? But your own money, your profits stayed in New York? No, well, I would have to pay points on mine. Right.

So OAT, from, especially in the gambling network, that's what made him so valuable, right? Because then what he would do is he'd have bookies on the East Coast right, that I can give the money to who has you had clients on the West Coast so you would just transfer the money like that. Wow. See what I'm from New York?

And the guy in L.A. owes me X, Y, Z, well, keep that money there and just give that to O, then I would pay my points on it and pick it up there. See what kind of points were you paying on, say, 100 G's? Three, something like that, three points. Maybe two, three points. Three points.

don't know. Like, you probably like 20,000. Oh, so three points means like 30%. Okay, got it. Yeah. That's expensive. Yeah, it's expensive. So I would take my time and I had different ways of doing it. Like I would mail, I would get cut out magazine books and I'd put like 10,000, in there, close it, tape it, stick it in the overnight dock. So I would take my time and do it like that as much as I could. Some in boxes, I would put them in bears and all that. It just takes a lot of time, but the more your money starts coming, then that becomes kind of obsolete.

But even then, I'm still being cheap. So if I'm going to send a hundred grand. So if I got 200, I'm at least get 60 out my way and just only had to pay you for 100, 120. You know what I'm saying? Until I didn't have more time and I got, okay, just put that on there. You know what I'm saying? Because I got to get back now.

So that's how I was always, you know, however I could. I would fly girls in. I'd fly like four or five girls in because the money that I would spend on points. I can fly five, six of my girls in the party club hang out and then send them all back with like 10 Gs apiece. Right. And they just check it in their luggage. Just check the money in their Yeah. They can put five in a purse, five in a hand. You know what I'm saying? They're never checking for money and that. Yeah. Right. So I'd rather fly you guys out. We party for the weekend. Right. Because I got an endless supply of girls that want a free trip. Think about our own

Instagram right now. Like these girls are all like, you know, listen, I'm, come on. I don't, I don't even want to know your body count, dude. Oh, yeah. You must have. It's a You must have used that dick, bro. Yeah, yeah, to the max. Like, yo, like, especially when I was in Costa Rica, Panama, no, it was disgusting. I couldn't even, it got to the point where it didn't even work anymore. I was like, yo, like, this thing is enough.

Right. You've literally been drained. Your spirit is gone. Yeah, yeah. That's a horrible feeling. Yeah, yeah. I've had a girl. She goes, no leche, leche, poppy, no leche?

And I'm like, empty. Please stop. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, it was, it was just six, you know, games we play. But. Okay. So then, do you. start making bigger customers, finding bigger customers in New York, or do you basically just grow

with this Dominican guy? Oh, no, yeah. So I found it obviously because you get turned on to more and more people. So then I had a Haitian guy that pulled up. Good kid. And man, this dude was, it's funny, he believed in, what was it, like his aunts and all them used to do. some boo-hoo shit? Yeah. That's crazy how you said that. And he told me some shit. I swear to God, he said, man, somebody going to tell on you, somebody you're going

down about something. You got to watch out what's going on? And I was like, nah, man, what are you talking about? This is right before old got arrested and all that shit. He's like, dude, trust me, my grandma just killed the chicken. She knows. You know what I'm saying? I was like, damn, I'm all right?

And then I was like, ah. And sure enough, everything he said happened. I was like, yo, I wish I could find me to this day, man. I'm like, yo, bro, that shit was real. Who is these people you know, right? I need them on my team. Wow. Wow.

Okay. So you met a Haitian kid and these guys are taken, like, what does the volume look like? Bro, they can take anything you want because when it's good shit, it, boom. And then these guys are connected there. Like how I am on the east coast, they were who I would be on the East Coast. See what I'm saying? And all the distributors. All distributors.

And now on top of that, we had the same mind thinking, right? Because these guys know to stack your money and move, they know the drug game. been doing it, been in the fed. Same thing, my program guy, been in the feds. So they know the system. And they also know how New York works. And so, yeah, so then it was like, as soon as I get it, it was gone. Okay.

So you were getting hundreds over at a time. Right. So it grew, right? So I'm 20, 30, 40. So, like, I'm making, you know, I'm making. So your price is, what is your price when it gets to you in the valley in Los Angeles? Because obviously you got to split this. 20,000, something like that?

So, and what percentage does Owen take out of that? Like, does Owen charge you on top of what his ticket is? Right. So obviously, everybody got to eat. There's never, there should never be, because then there's never no complaints, right? Right. So obviously, if old said, I'm going to just give you my price at it and not put his on top. Then after a while, you're like, man, how much money you make him?

That calls the problem, right? No, we all need to eat. You know what I'm saying? So we're a hash out deals. And sometimes it was give or take. Like, you know, let me get that on it. You know what I'm saying? We're making so much money.

Right. Who's sweating that? You know what I say, whatever. This is, I got it for 17. Let me put three points on it. And you got it for 20. 20. And then you're selling it to your guys wholesale for 30.

36, 35. But then it would change. So now I might be out there and I say, guy wants to buy 20. I'm at 30. You know what I'm saying? So then I'll come back to you. So see how our prices may change? Right.

See what I'm saying? So then we'll just, you know, we'll chop up whatever in between there. We usually split it. But it's normal for you to make 10 points flipping one kilo. Yeah, easy. Times 10. Yeah. Times 100.

Easy. Million dollar lick. Easy. Whoa. Easy. That was like no brainer. And the Coke was so good that when New Yorkers get that good Coke, I mean, it's gone. New York is, remember New York is like, see, these states are like, New York and California, we're consumers.

See what I'm saying? We got the biggest economy. Think about it. See what I'm saying? So like two of the biggest cities, booming. Like, there's no question. It's not like, and you can blend in here versus like, a lot of. if I was in, say, one of these smaller states,

like Louisiana or Georgia or that kind of money, you start standing out too quick, right? Yeah, yeah. It's too much, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. So, like, but there, like, you can blend in. Like, as I'm saying, I'd pull up in New York. I'd be in a sprinter.

I got, like, 20, 30 birds in the back of this thing. I'd go party in the club, my driver. He'd just, you know, pull up and do whatever and watch everything for me. I'd go hang out, the strip club. Yeah, I'd have burned 20 bands in a strip club of all fives and tens. I had to get rid of them.

Yeah. guys are throwing dollars. I'm throwing fives and tens, man, I got the whole attention of all the girls that they take me. I love that life. That's good for your sex addiction. Yeah, like it was crazy.

Like, I'd show up and it would be like, they would roll out the red carpet. Brenner would pull up. My driver would go talk to the door and I said, yeah, my guy's coming in, his table. Right. I'd have a table to just be me by myself. And then all of a sudden I got,

I just, you know, real girls in. Hey, and y'all want to hang out of my table. I got the table. Okay, so tell us the routes from L.A. to New York and then how you got it to your people in the sprinter vans. Like, did you have a stash spot? I think O told me about like a bathtub you had and a house.

Oh, no, yeah. That was in the condo that we bought. We had bought a condo out there right across the MetLife State. But that was later in the game. Because we went from, I was working out of hotels. And then I was telling him, I said, I can't, it's too much. Like, I'm in the hotel with like million plus dollars

counting, you know, hearing people walk down. I was like, I was getting paranoid. Because I'm getting high to, chilling, you know, like counting his money up. I even bought. Then you said you told me you'd be butt naked. Oh, man, you butt-necked, count money. I mean, I had a, I found a little mini-money counter, right, like this,

so I could travel with it in my suitcase. Then I mailed in another mini-counter, you know, there. So, like, I'm in this hotel room with a big, I'd open up my suitcase, pull out a mini-counter. I didn't even have underwear. I just buy all my clothes when I got there. You know what I'm saying? And then I'd set everything up, and then be in this thing, ass-so-n naked.

I'd have two chicks laying in the bed, and I'm just counting all this money. Wow. the girls had to be naked in here and make sure anybody stealing nothing. Man, I was on some paranoid shit. Wow. You know.

But what about the bricks? When they came through, where did you warehouse them? They would come through the chocolate factor. So when we moved to the chocolate factory from the shipping route, at first it was picking up from truckers. Right.

I had to go pick it up. Then once we got the chocolate factory, they had their own operation out there. So it would come in on the palate, right? And what they did was put me as, I work for the company now, and they said, oh, I would pick up their expired chocolates. And then I, it was the whole thing. So they sent me a palette of chocolates of shit that they couldn't sell nobody else, right?

So it was perfect. The boxes and everything, these are all different type of gourmet chocolates, except they were expired by a day or two or a week or whatever. And then my thing was, I would come pick up this palette, but in the middle of this palette would be stashed, would be the bricks. You know what I'm saying? So there'd be in certain boxes. Right.

So then I would take all this, dump it in my truck or a sprinter. Did you have traps in the sprinter? No, because it was all chocolate and boxes. And you really needed there because I wasn't, I was just going to move this straight to the, to the condo. Okay. And once I got it there. And I even made money off the chocolates, the expired chocolates, I was selling to the bodegas. Yeah, I was like, I didn't let nothing go to waste.

And that was all my money because they didn't care about it. It was just trashed in them anyway. Hustle motherfucker. Yeah, so I would pull up and talk to all the bodegas. like, yo, bro, I got palettes of fucking chocolate. It's expired, but shit, I give it to you for nothing. You give me whatever you want for it. Right.

So then I had a pallet of, you know. Shocking a New York bodega owner would sell an expired product. Yeah. I mean, they're a bitrape in the same way. They order they can make money off of. Yeah. So you get the bricks to the condo, and that's where you safe keep them. Safe keep them.

And then I would, but they didn't stay with me long. So as I got them, they were already paid for basically before they even got there. Right. See what I'm saying? 20 going this way, five going that way, 10 going that way. And then I would give it to these guys, and they would put either, they would either pay it all the way up front

or someone would owe me. See what I'm saying? But they were good for it because I already knew who they people were, right? And I had enough to cover whatever I gave out as long, so I can cover it out of my mind. So if I lost, I lost. I would never go back to old or whoever else.

I just came out of my money. See what I'm saying? That's how I work. I work safely. Yeah. Did you have couriers that would bring it to your customers from the condo? Like, did you have drivers like you do?

No, nobody ever come. I'm street. Okay. So you're touching it. See, this is the danger is that, even though this is a sweet situation, your, your, possession is nine-tenths to law, and it's in your possession. But here's the thing. I only know where this is at.

So there's no question that, if, see, me and you know, then that's too many people. See what I'm saying? So I'm the only person know it's here. I don't know any person know where it's going after this. So I'm okay with that. because there's no, you know, like I say, if we got a stash house and it's 10 of us that come in and out of here,

well, we don't know where does he come from. If it comes up missing, if the police come in here and anything, that can come from anybody. It's too many people. I only know, so I'm okay with that. But you didn't have drivers dropping it off to your guys? I had...

Because that's what scares me is like, oh, the feds are waiting. This guy got jammed up. You know what I mean? So I only deal with... That's great. You said that. I only deal with those guys,

which they're like me. See what I'm saying? all they do is give it to, they didn't want to give it to the carriers. See what I'm saying? So as long as I was in contact with them and didn't happen to them, I know they was good. So if anybody got pinched, I would hear about it. Right. See what I'm saying?

Because they don't move it. They just give it to their workers and then they move it out of them. And if you're a street cat, if you've been in the game long enough, you're only dealing with like three or four solid dudes. If somebody gets pinched, you're going to know it. There you go. Even if, you know, unless you're stupid, like you're not going to be able to get a hold of them for a while.

Period. Routine gets thrown off. There a deal. Something is different. So if I'm only dealing with only a handful of people, because that's all I needed. Once I locked in, those good, you know, it was scary meeting those, but then once I built that bond with them and knew who they were and how they worked, and I was like, okay, all they is you need is you then.

I don't need anybody else. Like my guys, a couple of them was like, you know, I got somebody. I said, I don't want to deal with them. You could deal with them. Yeah. I met who I need to meet. Y'all moving enough for me where I don't, until I grow out of that, obviously, if I had a surplus sitting, I got to get some more people to move this, that would be different.

But I haven't grew past y'all yet. Damn, so you'd have like 100 kilos of heroin Sometimes So, so shitmen to come in So crazy, dude Yeah, no, so it would be like 40 of heroin 60 of Coke Always more coke than heroin

Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Of course, it's a bigger market But 40 kilos of heroin is far more valuable And 60 kilos of cocaine Yeah, definitely, definitely. Whoa. But that's a whole other ballgame. That makes you sweat?

Yeah, because the heroin brought a different type of element to it because the feds are on Heron. Coat, again, it's everywhere and everything, but Heron, they're on. And the problem is- Because there's only a few people that are picking up 40 bricks of smack. And not even that.

It's a small circle. Here's the thing with Heron. Heron is like, those go to people who are so, you know, people that on Heron, they'll do anything. They don't care about telling. They don't care about anything. Like, at least with cocaine,

there's some people like, it's a little harder. get them to tell or do whatever else. But Harron, they'll tell anybody. So it's easy for them to cross the ladder with people in Hurons. You know what I'm saying? Versus it is with Coke. But who's picking up 40 kilos of heroin?

Like who would... Oh, no, there's the big guys. But the big guys... Who are they? The black guys? Are they Spanish guys? Both of them, yeah. Everybody...

Because it's a market for it in New York. See what I'm saying? Yeah. You know, but not like Coke, but it's still there. You know what I'm saying? And usually Heron, nobody really buys brick. The big guys, what they do is. they buy, one guy buys so much of it, and he sits so much in whatever community, and

then they break it down to the max. Right, because that's how you stretch the profit. Right, right, right, right. Because that's how you sell heron. See, people can buy, like, the average, if we part in, we can buy a couple ounces of coke and then party, right, and blow that at one night. But you're not going to blow, you know, two ounces of heroin party. See what I'm saying?

Somebody'd be dead. Like, you only need so much of heroin to go in there. See, it's totally different. So there's no mid-level heroin dealers, more or less. It's the big guy that's just chopping it down. Right. And they got houses where they just, that's all they do. They just sell it like that.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then did you had some weed going too? We, yeah, I had the packs. I had all the bomb because I grew then too. I was a farmer. So I had two warehouses.

One was a 60 lighter. One was a 50 lighter. What does that mean? Oh, 50 lights. Yeah, yeah. 50 lighter. And then also I had a house as well. So that's what I did.

mainly while I was on the party scene, behind the scenes, and then working with, oh, I had, I was, I've been farming since 99, 2000. When I started going to school and doing all that, I learned the weed, I mean, the weed gang quit. I'm saying when I was getting 6,000, 6,500 for Master Cush back in the day. Wow. You know what I'm saying? So how many pounds were you getting out of those, those warehouses, those grows? You get about two to three pounds per light. So, it's pretty good. Yeah, yeah. But it wasn't at one time, right? So, obviously I had four rooms set up. So one room goes off, then the next two, three weeks, the next room goes off next two.

So every two, three weeks, so depending on how many lights I had set up in here, which was probably roughly, what I would say, 60 light, two, four, six. So it's at least like 20 lights per room. So I would get about, say, so it was 20, about 40 pounds. 40 pounds, yeah. So about 40 pounds every two weeks at, you know, I would wholesale that to shops, people who wanted, you know. But what about the East Coast?

There's a huge market for that during this time. Yeah, yeah. It was. I only did. I didn't do much green there because I was getting pretty much the same price in Cali. So trying to move it and worried about losing it and shipment or anything else. Because weed is a little bit different than it moves bigger and it has a smell. You know what I'm saying?

Versus like how coke and everything you move around. But Coke has a smell. Yeah, but not like wheat. Like you got some bomb weed. Like, I mean, obviously you're selling everything, but like it's still a lot harder to move around. than it is, you know. Plus, it's not worth it when it's such high stakes, moving bricks of hair on and Coke. Thank you.

It's not really worth, you know, for $60,000 worth of weed. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So now you're making, now you're like a millionaire. Right. Are you happy?

Oh, I'm living. And I'm low-key. This is making me super happy. Yeah. And I'm living low-key. I'm moving from, listen, every month, I'm in a different country. Because remember, I'm going to Peru, right? I'm going to Panama.

I'm going to Cancun, partying, taking girls. And C.O had been doing that circuit for so long day. It wasn't like he wasn't excited about it. Like I remember when I first time I went to Peru, it was on my birthday, when that whole macho sports thing went down, we went down and to take the lawyers down there. He said, you want to come down? He had went, and it was funny because we usually go everywhere and where he went.

I was kind of like sad. I was like, oh, he went to Peru without me. So then he hits me up and he goes, listen, check this out. You want to come down here? he said, come down for your birthday. And I was like, fuck, all right. Let's go. So then I get my tickets and everything and I come down, right?

And it's funny because I always call it. Can I use the company credit card? Because, you know, I'm cheap, man. He'll be like, I always say, we're using the company credit card, which is his. And he goes, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's your birthday. So then I get the money for first class and I'll still sit in. I'm cheap, man. You're like an old school black guy.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's exactly what I was. Wow, that's hilarious. So I go down there, and I remember when they pick me up, I was like, man, I was leaving out of the airport. It was like a tear came out of my eye, man, because I was like, you know, I'm coming from the hood. And my mom passed away, so I was like, damn, she would be, like,

proud of me that the fact that, like, I'm traveling the world and doing all these things, right? Did that blow your mind? I mean, you coming from these cowboy bank robberies, jewelry store heist, just being in the jungle, which was South Central. Right. And then here I am in Peru.

You can't believe it. Can't believe it. I used to FaceTime my boys, like, because they would have cell phones and jail and all that. Yeah. And like in the hood. And I'd be laying in the bed. And I remember like, I still love,

I caught busting your eye. Like, I bust the eye. So like, I FaceTime. Show me your dick. Yeah, no, like this. Right. And this is what I do. So I like, and I was like, what's up?

I was like, you know, from the back, it's just like I'm in the regular bed. They don't know I'm out of the country. Because we're FaceTiming, right? So then I'll just pull the cover up like this And I turn the camera like this I have two banging hot naked lady sleep I'm laying in here butt-necked and I'm like yo what's up

You know what I'm saying? Like these guys been in jail 20 years Wow And they know me from being in the hood gang bang You know braids And here I am they're living vicariously through me So I love this this image right So like blowing them away right

I'm like real like man they're like man You're doing it man like that's crazy I'm like this is amazing Now you were still even though you had your routes in New York and your customers, where you were still going down and checking the work when it got to Peru, when it got to Panama? Tell us about Panama.

Well, Panama was like one of the routes when we came down here. So they had a, he had a friend who had condos down there that was stopped through the air. So, and I didn't do much down there, but I would go down a couple, I've been down a couple of times hanging there. But was that a place where they would move work through though? Yeah, so we'd come through there and then get Costa Rica.

they're all nickel. So like our place in Costa Rica was in Punta Leona, which is, so right outside of there, two hours away is the Panama border. So he would, you know, it's only a couple hours away. But Peru was even more crazier at all than that. That Peru was like, that was insane down there checking work with O and all that. I remember, oh, we were my first time down there. We're walking across the street and we're going somewhere.

We were in, was it Mita Flores? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, the nice day road in Lima. He had bought this condo in this new building where the elevator opened up into the, to our condo. 360 degree glass, brand new. You know what I'm saying?

Like, and as soon as we were the penthouse, so the elevator would open up and it opened up. And I remember was like, damn, this is crazy. We adding this to the list? Like, this is ours now? He's like, yeah, yeah, I just cop this, right? And we'll walk across the street down there and I remember old pulled out of the bag of Coke

out of his, literally, out of his thing with a straw in it, and we're walking across the street, like, at this intersection. And he's, like, doing coke down. He said, man, I was like, man, what the fuck? You're going to do coke right here? He's like, man, this shit's everywhere down. He'll get a fuck about that shit, right?

Like, he's, like, doing coke off his shit as we're walking across the street. Like, imagine going to an intersection. You're just doing coke off your shit. Like, I'm like, bro, like, this is insane, right? Like, you know? And they don't have police down there. Like, they just have security this.

It's like, they're, police like that do you know security go yeah yeah like this was the police neighborhood like they're the guys riding around like wait what yeah so it was either military or them or the security guards oh they're security guards and i was like fuck like but you'd be up in the jungle checking the work yeah we had like well not in the jungle jungle but like there was like city some stuff came in here but i didn't do most of my work down there oh did he was out there but um yeah that was just in crazy i was you ever in columbia no i didn't go to columbia So it seems like these guys, the Chappos, their main plugs were Peru.

I mean, look, I'm sure these guys are having shipments sent from Colombia, wherever. Peru, everywhere. Ecuador. Well, you got to remember. But you guys basically just dealt with these one or two plugs of theirs that happened to be out of Peru. You know what I mean? Yeah. Both.

Mexico, too, though. You know what I'm saying? Because you remember, you remember even El Chabo. Remember, he started doing his own farming and growing in Mexico, in the mountains. You know what I'm saying? Of Coca Leaf? Yeah, something like that. I remember looking at, and when he said that he started doing something down there like that.

I mean, I'm not. Would you go into Mexico? No, yeah. Would you go there to check work in Mexico? No, not in Mexico. Okay. You know what I'm saying? I only checked the route from here.

You know what I'm saying? I don't fuck around. See, Mexico's a whole other ball. Well, yeah, that's what I mean, though. Like, they don't, these guys have a guy like Yvonne. Archie Valdo, Chapo's son, who I think was Owens' plug, was Hefe. Right. He won't tell me to this day, but it's got to be him because he's still, he's the only one left.

Everybody else is flipped. They're in jail. Right. So he probably has five of your organizations. Right. And one of the organizations gets work, deals with the guerrillas in Columbia that are sending the product out. And then some guys in Ecuador that are sending a product out.

And so it kind of seems like that was how he had you guys moving. Right. He doesn't want you guys meeting all the plugs. Right. Just like the Peruvian plug. Right. You know? I don't know.

It's a guest, but it's an educated guest based off what I've heard, you know? Yeah, yeah. I mean, these guys are big, but I'm saying it's like, we're a small fraction of how fast this organization is. I mean, you're talking about your old chopper on them. Like, these guys are like around the world because it's not even just here. They're hitting everybody everywhere. Were you and were you still coordinating the jumps? in Tijuana into San Diego,

were you still coordinating the bricks and have your drivers moving the work up from San Diego to L.A.? What do you mean as far as... You still coordinating the movement? Oh, yeah, always. Yeah, yeah. I was in charge of...

Once that had gotten to me, I basically took over from there. Right. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So he kind of had his own thing, but yeah, I took over from there. Was there ever a big bust?

Was there ever a problem getting product over the border? Yeah, there was a couple situations where some shit got locked in over in Mexico side, obviously. But then that kind of didn't have nothing to do with us. That's on them. Because, I mean, it got popped in Mexico. Right, right, right. Because we paid for it to get here. So if it don't make it, then that's on, that has nothing to do with us.

Okay. So there were times where you, but you guys didn't pay up front. Yeah, yeah. But were there any shortages? Like, you're like, wow, there's no work coming through for a couple of weeks. Yeah. I mean, yeah, there's obvious that. You have the weight.

But, I mean, never in a shortage. It's either just when it gets here or whatnot. Because you can even see, so if you're getting there for, say, you're buying a word for now as soon as it gets jumped at 1015. Well, you want to get it cheaper than that? Then you've got to buy it on this side of the border. You figure out how to get there. Yeah.

See what I'm saying? So if you want to save money and you want to figure it out, but it's better. Well, we realize that it's better to pay for it. Why it's over here, because if you pay for it over there, you're going to take some losses. Even though you get it cheaper. you're going to take more losses versus I really just paid for orders on this end.

Of course. Of course. So. Okay. So you know there was never a point where you're like, oh, my customers in New York need 100 bricks, but only 20 got through. I mean. And then would you jack your price up? Like, because you're literally in control of the market now.

Not really. Not really. Because, remember, they're in New York. I'm not, I'm a small percentage of shit that's coming in there. You know what I'm saying? This is coming in through all kind of ways over there. And guys even bigger than us, you know what I'm saying? So that weird, I can't jack my price and change it.

I can only go with whatever the market is in the streets. You know what I'm saying? Right. But was there ever a time where you had to go lower because your guys came to you and said, hey, they're coming. I got other plugs that are offering me dope for 25. Oh, yeah, yeah. So you would have to go lower than their ticket?

You'd have to beat their ticket. Yeah, yeah. You've always got to be with the market. You know what I'm saying? Wow. So it changes. But there was never a time that you were just like, hey, man, I'm out of Coke. Yeah, I mean, not really.

You know what I'm saying? So the success rate was high, it sounds like. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. You never, it never was that. You know what I'm saying? Because like I said, even if you're not in business, somebody else is.

So you just got to stay competitive and stay on top of your shit. That's all. Well, I'm talking about the transport. Like getting it across the border. That's what fascinates me the most. Because now you're beating all of the technology and the money and the resources of the American government. That's what's fucking wild to me. Yeah.

It's like it's just there 24-7 they're sending mules driving it through, you know? Yeah. And there's no checkpoints either, like how there are in Texas. You cross it to Texas a mile in or Arizona. You've got to go through like another border. Yeah, yeah. It's more, listen, I've been through Texas. I had to drive through here to go up to Chicago.

Pennsylvania and all that before. So yeah, Texas is the beast. But there's nothing in Cali. You just make it through. No, just make it through what I said. You're in San Diego. All the way up to whoever. Right. Yeah, you just got to get it over. Once you get it past there, you good. Yeah. Yeah. So how, how are you your money, your profit on the East Coast? You're moving your money back to L.A. What are you doing with it? Are you investing it? Are you buying up property? Or are you just stashing it somewhere? Yeah, I was stashing it. Saying your prayers. Yeah, yeah. I bought gold. I bought everything. I could possibly do. I had watches. I had

cars. I mean, I was just putting in the little anything that everybody could. Yeah. Investing in whatever my little small companies I had going on. My marijuana businesses and all that. Right. So it was illegal marijuana business? It wasn't illegal, but it was legal. It was the gray area. Right. Right. You know how it was.

We were just opened up shops and selling it until they shut you down. Right. Yeah. She don't go to jail. Yeah. Wow. Wow. Yeah. I just, I kind of spread everything, you know, whatever I could. So how long did you, how long were you doing that before somebody eventually on the East Coast, somebody eventually gets popped and

flips you, flips. As far as. Like, how did it end? Like, we know what happened with Owen, but you're, you had heat on your end. We know what was going on with Owen in L.A. and with the money launderer, the guy that was working with the feds the whole time. But you also had heat in New York. So, Owen down, I went down only a month or two after him.

So O-WR-W-D-G-L, and then I got caught up because when he went in, okay, so when he went down, I was like, oh, fuck. But I knew, we already knew something was coming because he had went to Mexico, and then when he got there, they wouldn't let him in. So he had to fly back, right? He was like, all shit. So I was like, fuck, what they got you on? And he said, like, man, so when he flew back to California,

when he came back, he said, welcome back, Mr. I said, they didn't do nothing to him. We was like, so I told him, I was like, man. And that's like even before when old did that whole when he had dressed up with the Matador, what was it, the wrestling mask you see on the documentary.

I mean when he bought that in Mexico and I was like, man, because we were talking about the Robin Hood guy. I said, man, I said, you guys let that go. He's like, no, fuck that. And I was like, yo, now you get into and I told him that the fans don't come at you with you. And when they start making it like

you something violent, even when he made that, I'm not one they got that video made for him when he had the Mexican guys with the cartel cutting the head off and all that shit. Like, I'm the one that had that made for him. And I told him, I said, man, leave that shit alone. What a waste of time. Only over 700 Gs. Yeah.

But I was telling him, I said, leave him alone, right? But O had this like, when you fuck with him, he wanted fuck with you back. And I was like, man, let that guy go because he's talking to the fairs. Of course. And the fairs are going to use this and make his like, it's something crazy. I told him that before it happened. And he was like, yeah, whatever, right? Because he ain't never been to jail.

I mean, I was used to some small time, but not like... You've never been in the system, seeing what they can do. Yeah, and see what they can do and how they contort and mix your shit around and turn you into something that you're like, man, that was just a joke, right? And even when they did that cartel video, to shoot them and cutting their heads off,

and I was like, yo, and that was the main thing. When it was on a diamond, we was in our discovery, and I was like, I told you they was doing that. Told you they was going to do that. And then, so when he did that... Okay, so he gets arrested, but are you initially in his indictment? No, no, because they had to supersede everybody in there.

So he went to jail, him and my cousin. My cousin, when we figured this out, oh, fuck, I knew they were on it. You know what I'm saying? Your cousin's the runner, the guy driving for you. He's the guy smoking a cigarette in the documentary. Okay. So he looks like Nipsey Hustle's brother. He looks a Ritrian or something.

Yeah. So, oh, he had, what did he come back from? Miami. He stopped in New York at the condo. And I told him, and when he was there, I was like, man, somebody right with you, you off. What's going on with you? Because when he was dealing with them, them feds, if I would have seen him for the first day he put, I would have told him was a feds.

See what I'm the street guy. I can see past like shit. He can't see. I had to meet him one. And usually when he meet important people, you know, when he meets important people, he'll bring him around. And I'd be like, oh, yeah, he's good. He's back, right?

Because I'm good with reading people. Right. So for people, just to recap, Owen is, he's been approached by two undercover feds posing as like money launderers. And these are like white, dorky guys that he met on a golf course. Right.

And they had the phones. They had the special phones. Right. The PGPs. The PGPs. So Owen was like, oh, these guys are solid. Right. So we're sitting here talking.

And I was asking him about those guys. He was like, yeah, man, whatever. But I was like, yeah, but it's something strange because he started acting real different. When he started getting caught up in that, you could tell. And I was like, man, you've been off lately, kid. What's up, man? You good?

And he's like, yeah, man. He wasn't really talking about it. And so when that started growing, when he came back from Miami, because he was on a golf course with him doing some type of business. And this is how I got caught up. Because when I was out there working, he was like, yo, I need you to take, like, 75K or 100K, K, give it to this guy, you know. I said, man, I don't want to do that because I'm out here working.

When I'm working on one project, I don't like to mix it with other things. You know what I'm saying? So if I'm dealing with Coke with all my Coke partners and you call me up and say I need you to go pick up some weed from my guy over here, I want to mix it too. See what I'm saying? And so when he said that, he's like, man, just do that for me. And I was like, man, I don't want to mix it. He says, well, if you do it, I'll take a couple points off of your money coming back. And I think I had like a couple hundred K out there.

need to move. Since if you do it, I'll take two points off, right? So I'm like, all right. Fuck it, all right. He wanted you to drop money off to these what turned out to be fans. Yeah, yeah.

They turned out to be fans. So I take the money over there, and the moment I dropped that money off, right, I hand the guy to box. What I did was, I wrapped it up in this, what is those, like three-day mail boxes, like using USPS. So I handed to him,

and when I walked up, up to the guy, this fat guy with a, like a Hawaii 5-0 shirt on, older white guy. And I look at him, and I'm like, this is the guy, because I didn't know who he was off the PGP. Remember, I ain't talking to hearing, but when I see him, I'm like, this is the guy. And I look at him, and he goes, I hand him this stuff. I say, here. And then he does this.

This is how I knew exactly he was police. So he turns around, he grabs the money. He looks at me, and he goes, oh, yeah, by the way, tell your boss, right? something, I stopped him right there. I said, boss. I said, that ain't my boss, right? I said, this is about his friend. He just told me to drop this box off here.

And he goes, oh, okay. He keeps turning like this, right? So I'm looking at this guy. He knows I'm on to him, right? He can't even, so he just ends it right there. So I walk off and get the car. Soon as I get in the car, I said, bro, call me ASAP. So he says, boss, because he's trying to, he's wearing a wire and the recording.

They're trying to prove that Owen is a kingpin, and he's directing, he's ordering all these people. That's how you prove a RICO. That's how you know off the top. Because, and then that, that boss terminology, right? Once you become a boss, manager, any lead position, remember on the feds, your, what is it, the sentencing guideline, your points go up.

Right. Big. So if you were only going to get seven years, the moment they say boss and they get you legal, that that's seven turned to 14 or 20. See what I'm saying? So when he said that, first off, he looked like a cop, I mean a fed or his.

But second, when he said that, just solidify who this guy is, right? And I'm like, I looked and I'm like, and I looked at him. I said, man, all right. And I was like, ooh. I said, damn, my hitting, man, I said, bro, you just having me to fucking fad, right? I'm hot. Yeah. He goes, no, but you tripping, right?

Because he told me it was a gambling thing. See, he didn't even tell me what was actually going on. He said, I'll give you the points off. And he said, listen, it ain't got to doing no drugs. in the dope, like that. I said, it's just a gambling debt. The guy just wants to, as far as money,

like how we sent money back before. And I was like, man, you sure? He said, yeah. But in actuality, it wasn't that. They were doing drug transactions. He just didn't want to tell me that because he, see, I wasn't going to do it anyway. So he just lied to me.

And I said, man, the fuck. So as soon as I did that call, I said, bro, that was the, I said, that's a fair. And he said, no, he wasn't, right? And I'm talking the phone. I said, bro, I know what fucking fair. I'm telling him, we arguing on the phone.

And he goes, he says, man, he said, you're tripping. You're just paranoid and da-da-da-da. And after that, I swear, I didn't, I didn't, like, I couldn't sit right with that. I knew it. And I was like, I got to get the fuck out of New York. And so as soon as I right after that, that's what happened. He went to jail.

And I said, man, I told it. I knew that was a fair. I knew it was a fair. And now did they, were they, but they still weren't able to place who you were with that transaction. Okay, they knew who I was. That's why they wanted me to come out. Right. So what they did was, what old must have did was when he was talking to this guy,

he must have told him something about me. I was like, yeah, I got my guy, my buddy Tank out there in New York. So when he was talking to the Fed here, they're like, oh, shit, we need to get him involved. That's how we get him part of it because we're going to, you know, get video recording. Right. And because that's even in my case when my attorney was like, yeah, they even got you delivering or working or dealing with somebody. New York on drugs. I said, no, it wasn't who.

And he says, yo, this guy you met in New York. You were selling dope to him. I said, I wasn't selling dope. I just dropped money off the mail. He said, well, they got you saying that you dropped off work and this, that, and third, and you were talking about drugs. Well, let's get the recording. Right? And let's get this in the video, right? And they didn't have it. They said, due to, so when he finally went back to talk to the fans about it, they said, due to telephonic disruption, we don't have that.

And I looked at my attorney, and I said, I told you. Lying. Lying on him. And he says, which is correct. He looked at me and I go, I said, man, that's crazy right there. I said, man, and that's why I knew. I said, the fed is above the law. They can do what they want to do. See what I'm saying?

Okay, so he gets arrested two months before you do after you drop this package of money off to the feds. But then you also had a leak on your end where somebody was snitching, right? As far as... In New York. As far as your cocaine. Meaning Yeah, like wasn't there

A guy That was working with the DEA That was receiving work from you So so Or within the your organization So when I was in New York There was a guy named Jesse Who was actually

Obviously I thought he was a good friend of mine But he went out to New York And he started bringing his own work in And then so I was helping him out I said all right you know what fuck it What he did was rob his connect down here in California. Then he went out there. So he says, I need to move all this work.

And that's how, before I got arrested, how everything got, you know, fucked up. When he came, so O went to jail. And my plan was I had like over a million dollars in the streets that I still needed to collect. So I was like, I got to get all this money, put it all up, and figure out what's going on with O. and move the rest of this work that we had out there. So then when my other guy pulls up because he robbed his connect in California, he said, I need to get out here

and move the rest of his work. So he pulls up out there. I'm moving to work. I just need to collect money now, right? At this point, it was already done. Let me grab whatever I can, come back to Cali. And what I was going to do is shut over to Mexico

and hang out down there or Costa Rica, go back to our house over there and sit until we figure out what's going on with old. Right. Right. Makes it move. So then when that happened, my guy comes out there,

And he was there. Your guy, Jesse. Yeah, Jesse. And. Who, by the way, I would never deal with somebody that just told me they ripped off their connect. I'm like, this dude is. But he was like that. He was a dirty dude.

Like, he didn't give a fuck. Like, he was like that. And so he comes out there. Then I had all this money I had to get back. And then I'm trying to help him out at the same time while I'm trying to get my shit together. And then when he pulls up, he, uh, I, I'm near O goes to jail. Then when all this shit started happening, police kicking the door and doing all this stuff,

I'm like, fuck, send some shit that, how did the police know about this? In my mind, I'm thinking, right? And so I'm looking at, oh, my dad, that was just crazy, right? Like, that was just wild. Like, you know, everything that only me and him knew should not have been out of here before these regularly people would see what was happening. And when he came there and I was, was there, I had, I don't want to say about a million and a half, no, close to a million.

It was a million house, like close to a million, a bag of money. It was all, actually, I even got pictures. You're going to check this out. He came, O went to jail. He tells me, hey, check this out. Oh, it's telling, right? That's what he's telling me. He's going to tell you, Dad, and I said, no, he ain't worried about that.

That's when I get this money back crossing and get everything situated and then we'll figure everything out. No, he's telling. So then what happened was we were out my Dominican partner came and he dropped off some money so I was like all right cool

so then he left and when he left he got pulled over and I was like what so he calls me up he says bro I just got pulled over in George Washington Bridge by the feds and he knows the streets

he says man they own to you I said what do you mean how do you know he said because they never stop the target. They always stopped the mark. I mean, they never stopped the mark. They always start the people that come in

contact with the market. And when they pulled me over, they searched everything. They couldn't find anything. And he's like, why y'all got me pulled over like this? Like, it was too much work, right? Because they started off with the New York

NYPD, but then somebody jumped out, playing clothes, and was looking to all this shit. And he couldn't find anything. Because remember, he came and talked to me. He handed me a box of some money. So I wouldn't put that up. Then he left. Then he gets stopped.

well they're looking for work they're looking for all these things so then after that were they asking about you were they asking him no no because remember they don't they don't want him to know what's going on

he's asking because he goes man this ain't regularly NYPD he said you are but this guy he said man y'all are the fears you know what I'm saying and then so then that's what happened right there and then but I was like damn so he tells me this and I'm like oh shit

so I'm like what the fuck I'm gonna do now right so they owned us about something. So then I started thinking, was it O? Like my boy said? What's going on right here? And then after that happened, O was like, who was in the feds at that time, right?

Because they grabbed him. And then, but yeah, that was intense. Hey, I don't know. How does this all conclude? This is, we want to know, how did you figure out that Jesse was the one that was giving them all this information? So, well, he didn't give it to him yet.

Okay. So then what happened was, oh, was in jail. So that was that. He got caught up. Then I was there in New York, chilling. And then me and him jumped in the car. Once he told me that, I was like, okay, so the feds are on me. So I'm thinking, how do they know where I live at in Sikaka's in this little bit of the community?

It was a gated community right across the middle of state. How would they even know what his address was? Damn, it's got to be old. This only person, no. I'm not thinking as my man next to me, right, because he's out here with me. So one day, me and Jesse jump in the car. Now I got over, I probably got over in a bag, a duffer bag in the house. I probably got about $700,000 in there or something like that, right?

So I got to get this money out of there, right? So we drive off and we took an Uber or something. And then I took my phone up, I remember, put the reverse camera on. I said, let me see if anybody's follow us. And I'm holding my camera up like this, right? and on the iPhone. And sure enough, I see him followers. I'm like, damn, he is followers.

So then we pull over. I have the Uber guy pull over, which is some off ramp over there going to Jersey. We go into this restaurant. We come out the back. So then I tell Jesse, go around this way, catch an Uber, go back to the house, grab that bag of money, right,

and get it out of the house. So he does that, right? He leaves out the back. I leave back out the front. After he called and said, I got everything. thing about the house. Then I called the Uber or whatnot, go back to the house.

So then in the evening, they kick in my door and taking me to jail. Now, obviously, he left one way and everything else. I was like, well, this is good, that money's good. And he still had like 20 pieces of fucking Coke and everything that he robbed

just connect with. So then, long story short, I'm sitting in the DEA's office in New York. And they don't find any work at your house. No, because I didn't, yeah, it wasn't even, by that time, I just wanted to collect money. didn't get back. Right. I had about 75,000 in the trap of my little vehicle, but that was about it. So then,

oh, and then I had about another 30,000 under that bathroom that what was telling you about, you know, under that thing that was in my bathroom. So then I'm sitting in there, sitting there, and I'm like, all right, cool, Jesse's cool, we're good, we're not, I don't know. So then the police, as we're talking, he's asking me questions. I was like,

man, I don't know what you're talking about. He said, all right, you know what I'm talking about? And it was funny. He had a smirk on his face. Oh, that's so evil. Yeah, they had So then when Jesse came in, he flew in private to Teterboro in Jersey, right? Because I had a hook up with this, you know, private jets. My guy would flies back and forth. He's the one that brought Jesse in with all the work.

He flew in private with like 40 pieces of fucking Coke and hair on, right? To move that, did he rob and disconnect? So then, boom, he pulls in. And then when he pulls in, when he pulls in, the thing, the bag that he had in, he had this Louis Vuitton bag, whatever it was, but it was in there, right? He goes, and when I'm sitting at the bars in the DA office, he rolls that bag in, that suitcase, that I knew that that was Jesse's in the shit he worked.

So he's talking, so you don't know nothing, right? And this guy comes in, he rolls in and past him, and he's rolling, he's looking at me, like, you don't know nothing. And I'm looking at the bag, I'm like, wait, that's just, Jesse's bag. Damn. Wait, if they got that, what's really going on around here, right?

Everything got all fucked up in my head. I'm like, oh, shit. So I'm trying to figure all this shit out. So then, I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm fucked, right? When I seen that. So then he rolls that bag and does whatever. He starts laughing at me, and I'm just sitting there trying to play it off and back on my mind.

I'm like, oh, I'm fucked. You know what I'm fucked? You know what I'm saying? Because now I don't know who to trust, what's going on, and stuff like that. then so Jesse went one way. They rolled his bag in, the money, and he had, Jesse was supposed to take back, I'm going to say, about another half a meal or something like that.

It was just crazy, right? And I was like, everything was all fucked up. So when after all that happened, they take us to MD, what was it, MDC, yeah, MDC and Brooklyn, MDC. So they take me to Brooklyn and BC. Then they separate me from Jesse. So I was like, wait, what?

Why are they separating us? You know what I'm saying? I'm going to be. Then they started just hitting me. I'm like, oh, my God. This dude knows everything. And all that money and the work and everything. I was like, fuck.

So then now, that was intense. Yeah. So what did it come? What was the backstory of that? He just got popped separately. It had nothing to do with you. So the backstory of what that is. started telling

or how did that? So when he was telling me to watch off of, oh, he was working with a CI, didn't know it, then he gets pop.

Right. Then he works with them to get me. Was he a customer of you guys somehow? No, he had his own thing going on. It was all separate.

He's like, I got somebody and gave you. I work with this guy right here. Wow. And then once they grabbed, once they grabbed that, they,

they, once they grabbed him and did everything else, he already knew because he already had dead fat time. So that was why he was like a no-brainer. He was on telling us, you know what I'm saying? So he was already, you know, yeah, and that just kind of fucked me up all the way around, man.

I was like, oh, fuck, I lost that money. It was this, it was that? I'm like, God. Okay, so they charge you? They brought you the MDC. Did they charge you? And then was that with O's indictment? Yeah.

Or did that come later? Yeah, that was with O's indictment. Okay. And they just used Jesse, this guy, as part of a body of, of evidence in the larger case. I see. Yeah, they had him, he wasn't going nowhere. And they let him back out to work because he already said, listen, I'll do whatever you guys want. So they let him back out.

How crazy is this? You were telling me off camera, a guy like they put these guys to work, these fed snitches make more money snitching than they do selling drugs. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So basically, if I sell you a brick for $32,000, right, and say I only make $2,000. And then when he grabbed, I mean, a $3,000. 36,000. So say I only make 5 grand, then this guy on this end, if he's just only moving brick per brick, he's only making maybe 5 grand, right? But if he tails on the brick, they're going to

probably give him 10 per brick. See what I'm saying? So they like, these guys like negotiate with the feds. Like they'll go to the DEA and say, hey, can you match this or can you beat this? Yeah. I'm making 5. I'll give you this. I'll give you this. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so how are you going to beat that? How are you going to beat that? It's so fucking dirty. Yeah, when they pulled in that, they had a duffel bag with that money in it.

Remember I told you I had that $700,000 in it? When they put that duffer bag in there, that was another thing. They walked past with this, they had the suitcase with all the work in it. Then they brought the duffel bag in with the money in it. When I seen that duffel bag, I was like,

that was my money. That's when I told them to go to the house and grab and get it out of there. So when I seen that like, fuck. And then when they send me the, the, what is it? Discovery. Discovery.

And no, but the, as far as when they take your money and they send you a, Yeah, a letter saying we seize it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. The money that they took, they took that forfeiture money, right? They walked past there, and I've seen the bag.

I'm like, fuck, they got the money too. Damn it. I told this idiot to go grab it. And the whole time was it was on the forfeiture. And I was like, fuck. No, no, but the forfeiture was less than the amount of money that was seized. They paid. How much money was seized officially?

So they took about $700,000. I think under the forfeiture only, 400 showed up. So they might have paid this dude 300 G's? Not him personally because he got caught. But they paid the CI he was working with that got him cooked. See what I'm saying? And anybody else that was before that because these guys had to do it to work.

They just told. They just say, hey, I got a guy who's doing this. So they'll sit back. You got guys in New York just waiting for you to come out there and say, yeah, I'll work with you. Right? And they do okay, all right, how many bricks can you get me? All right, cool.

Then they'll just go straight to the fans and like, look, I got 100 bricks coming in. I just need my money. They're giving our debit cards. They'll get you a debit card. They get you a debit card. When you really working for so long like that, they'll just give you a debit card.

That's it. And they'll just load that bitch up when you need it. Wow. Yeah. Almost like they maybe never even sold drugs or they did way back in the day. Yeah, they got caught. Yeah, they got caught. And now they just work with the fares now.

And now I've been snitching for 10 years. Yeah, 10 years. This is how I got this card. I didn't go tell you that because I didn't want to kill or anything. But yeah, that's what they're doing now. Wow. Yeah. So making money off you.

Every time you make a move or whatever, Every time you go to jail, they make money off you. You can't beat that. How are you going to beat that? No, not long term. Like most people go, I'd rather tell them the motherfucking to work and do this because if I don't, then I've risked going to jail for the rest of my life. See what I'm saying?

Yeah. Especially if they've already done Fed time. Yeah. Your points are going to be so high if you get caught with any significant amount of cooked. Yeah, you're cooked. Yeah. So, yeah, how do you beat that?

Okay, so you're, did you, were you able to bail out? As far as. After the indictment came down. After you got arrested. Were you able to? No, well, I mean, you'd have to have crazy amount of money, but at the same time. So, yeah, it's just, it's not even worth it. Yeah, it's not even worth it.

Just to fight. You'd better just stay in and fight and work with your lawyer. Yeah, it's not even worth it. Did they ship you back to L.A.? Like, where did everybody stand trial? So when O went to jail, he was down here fighting. But see, they hadn't, when I got arrested, they hadn't, they haven't dropped the full indictment, at the superseding.

So the superseding was different. When they superseded everything, then they brought the whole 18, 20-something people in. Remember, because they were still putting their investigation together. Right, right. See what I'm saying? They just wanted to get O in jail. Once we got him and put him in here,

they already knew that four or five months down the line, they're going to drop the superseding. But they had to close out whatever they were doing everywhere else. So once they did that, then, but which was good, because guess what? If they didn't, like if you see that first time that I read to you, it says me and Jesse Corrales, were in New York

and they put me at the head of an indictment see what I'm saying? Oh right. So if I never went to jail and got superseded to Owen Owen's case, you would have been the boss out there. Right. Yeah.

Right. Because he was the boss. You would have been the leader of the New York crew. Of the New York then. Right. Even though I didn't get caught when I'm working anything.

Wow. See what I'm saying? So they actually saved me in a way. Fucking fascinating. See what I'm saying? And they put me on the top of that indictment for a reason.

because they knew they already had him working. So we're going to put his name on this indictment, like it was this, this, this, and dirt. Even though they called Jesse with the work and the money and all that shit. But they put me in, they cooked it in such a way where I would have been cooked. So it's weird, like, how politics works. So somebody from L.A. had to tell the New York feds, hey, like, I want him in my, in my case.

Right. And they, I wonder, do they have a choice? Yeah. Does New York? Because, well, I mean, obviously they can fight it, but that's not how it works. don't really care. Here, here, here's the thing. When you're the head of an indictment, you're the target. Right. Everybody else is, they don't mean anything. The head of the target is it. And then second, the crime that was committed with the investigation and the money that was

spent to do that, we need that money back. So those people that get all this time in the system, the reason why they get so much time, because they need that money back. You know what I'm saying? you know, if you get, if you're a 30 years of worth of, we need that time. Whether you give it to us, if we let you out, you need to go get us somebody equal or more to keep you out of jail. Right. Talking about snitches. Right. Yeah.

See what I'm asking, though, like with the U.S. attorneys that make the cases, right? Like this U.S. attorney made this case in New York with you as the head of this big drug ring. Right. How does the U.S. attorney in L.A., like, do they have to get the U.S. Attorney in New York to agree to drop that case and lump you into the greater indictment of Owen Hanson? Right. You know what I mean? Because they already have. So here's the thing.

Me and Jesse had a case. But they already knew that the stuff they got was him. Once they figured out who I was. I see. Okay. Once they figured out who I was. Because they didn't really have me on nothing. Obviously, I had money.

That was it. But Jesse is the one that got caught with the work. Right. Judge is the one that when the CI started this thing, had him under investigation and everything. But they just need to make sure that I wasn't going anywhere. Right? So that's why they put me at the head of indictment.

And then that's why they got me down here to them. But even though they know I was out of doing work or whatever, but then that's how they got us all cooked in there. Now, they got Jesse and they got him all sold up right here. So they let him out. He went and cooked 10, 15 people. See what I'm saying? So he's working his time off.

So that was great. So that one person got them 10 other people from New York to L.A. See what I'm saying? So it was beautiful for them. See what I'm saying? One, now you've got 10. And these 10 out of that 10, think of how many people are going to tell out on that. See, they need to keep that.

I understand that. I'm trying to say like, how was your ass saved from being a kingpin in New York when you got to just be a worker as part of Owen's case? That's my only question. Yeah. But maybe you don't know it. I don't know. It's a legal question.

But like, you know, so yeah, yeah, yeah. That's good luck. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, but again, once they figured out who I was, they knew that this was the king pan. I really wasn't no king pan. You know what I'm saying? Even if you made it up or whatever,

I did some work, but that's no different anybody else. Oh, is it king pan? So we need to get this because this goes down on the book and makes everybody's career. Owen Hansen. I don't make anybody's career just because I was out there moving some things right there. But there's no title behind who I am.

I didn't. Yeah, I don't know. So that's why it was more valuable. Because even the, what happens is even the New York crew, the feds versus the L.A., they all get credit. You all get credit for that and budget. Right. And you get more money at the end of the year.

Okay, that makes sense. See, so they don't, to them, it don't matter. You know what I see. Yeah, I want to be. Do you think without, so you, it sounds like you probably would have beat the case, this indictment. You probably would have got indicted if it wasn't for this guy, Jesse. No, I wouldn't know you.

You can't beat the fans. But, I mean, you didn't get caught doing anything with Owen except for dropping off this one package of money. You know what I'm saying? So if you didn't have... No, I wouldn't beat it because O had... They already knew I was video recordings, talking to O. So they had wiretaps and shit like that. Yeah, yeah.

They had everything going on O. And then his PGP. And I couldn't fight my case even if I wanted. Once I... O couldn't see Discovery. They had put a protective order on me. Some movies in MCC. when they sent me down at MCC.

I went down to the law library and they said, look at your discovery, right? So I look at the discovery. And I'm telling my attorney, he says, look at your discovery and then come back and talk to me. I opened it up and they had pictures of the PGP. Yo, O got me under Perel, right?

Because I used to keep my G.HB in this parole bottle. That's my nickname in here. When you look at the discovery, he's talking to his peoples and everything else. And he's going, yeah, tank. Everybody knows me as tank. Right. Tank. Million dollars coming in.

he's got a tap, tanks tap, tank moving these pieces. Shit. Tanks the warehouse with 400 pieces. See what I'm saying? The king fin's telling on everyone. Right, right. So even if I can't, I couldn't fight it if I wanted to because that's your evidence. That's right.

And Owen's, I can't suppress your evidence. Right. And Owen, he told us on the interview when we had him in here, they were able to tap in the feds found out the PGP manufacturers. I think they were guys in the Bay Area. And they got, they infiltrated them. And that's how they were able to. guys to crack in.

Yeah, so that, that's a whole other big story. Yeah. The PGP guys, the fans didn't even know anything about this until O put him in there. And O used to chew me out because I didn't use to use these little apps because it was easy and simple. I get a phone, talk on it and throw it away. So O got on my head about you got to have,

you're not having this and da-da-da-da-da. So I finally got on his crew with this bullshit, right? Get it. He's like, yo, he made all this big things. The fans can't get it, which was correct. But mind you, here's the ironic thing about it was he gives the PGP to the Fed that he's working

the fans grabbing and go oh shit we ain't know about this this is great then they turn around right and they when they're cooking oh they already handed this to another department saying look we got to find out who was these people see what I'm saying and then they're working on that

so now they got another investigation going on now as we're working with this this PGP thing and I'm like telling him I'm like bro and then they said you can't get in them which is correct

you couldn't but you know how they got into his here they flew a drone over his head took him out on the boat and recorded him putting the code in there

it's like 21 characters to get in there so that's how they got his phone so when they arresting him they just grabbed his phone real quick they knew exactly what the door was

popped it right open took pictures of everything in there and then they put in this little special thing because that PGP work like this, like, which was great. Your handler or whoever, I can delete your phone from my location.

Right. So as soon as you turn it on, I can delete it from here. See what I'm saying? So now, once it fares, if they do get it and crack it open, it's already blank. See what I'm saying? Yeah. Because that's what happened in mine, right? And or if you put the code in wrong, was it four times?

I think it was four times. It wipes on its own. So they were able to fly it. Why don't know what's saying any of this? fucking drugs have really ruined your brains. So the feds flew a drone when Owen was on a boat. Got him all high, some shit. Of course they did.

And so from that drone, they were able to zoom in on him as he has it out. That's good police work, man. That's fucking crafty, bro. Yeah, yeah. They're bees. Wow. Holy shit, dude. That's fucking crazy.

Okay. So the end of the day, you guys are made. You guys are cooked. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Ficked in the game, as we say. So you didn't really have action?

No. Okay. So you're, how long before you take the plea? What do you mean? How long before you got adjudicated? How long were you waiting in jail before you took the plea bargain? From the time we got arrested, fuck, we fought that shit like three years because they had to get rid of everybody else off the case.

Nobody was going to face time between me, oh, my cousin. That was pretty much it. You know what I'm saying? And that's crazy because even like Charlie, man, was a good friend of mine, passmate, rest and peace. He was fighting. He had to be fighting his own demons

for him to do that to himself. I think he was more probably ashamed of having to tell his wife and his kids and stuff like that. So sad. Yeah. And I, man, that's my boy. Like, I married Charis to sit back

and just, that was heartbreaking. Yeah, he took his own life. He's the operator of the stash spot. Yeah. In the Valley. Okay, so you were in there for three years. Brutal. Brutal.

So did you, did you, did you, Did you think you were facing like huge numbers? Because you didn't do a lot of time. Eighty-seven months, but shit, I'm already, you know, close to 50 at this point. So I don't have much time left to. So you think you were looking at like 30, like some life numbers? Yeah. 25, 15, 20.

I mean, listen, I mean, especially in New York, was crazy. When I, my first time going to court there, I remember seeing a guy come downstairs and man, got 20 years and he was happy. He was like, man, except I got 20 years. I'm not going to die in prison. I'm looking at it, I'm like, 20 years? That's 18 in the fairs. Guys are already like 30, right? I said, bro, like, that means you come home

and your parents are gone, your girl is gone, and you're happy? You know what I'm saying? Like, nobody was getting less than that. Like in New York, and I was like, man, this is a central ISIS. It's got to be the most scariest court. Listen, the fares is totally different than the state.

The fares is a mental game that destroys you. The state is more physical, right? obviously a lot more, you know, but the mental, you know what I'm saying? Like, you come home from that PTSD. Yeah. Okay, so we're going to talk about that on the Patreon, but I want to wrap this up. So did you guys, did they try to get you to flip on people? Or, I mean, Owen, they didn't really need him to, they weren't really trying to get him

to set up his boss in Mexico. Were they trying to get you to flip on anybody? I mean, obviously, they always try to get you to tell something, maybe to come home. They don't really care what it was. I mean, obviously, they didn't need much on Owen now. They say, what else? Do you have anything that you can give us? Do you want to go home?

You know what I'm saying? It means like you just got to find somebody if you want to. That's how they'll do it. They don't care. Could you have become a worker? In theory, could you become the same as? Oh, for sure. Yeah.

Oh, wow. So you could have just walked out. Yeah. Of course you could. Like anytime, but you got to give them something. You can come a worker. Yeah. Well, you want to get out on the streets and work and do something?

Right, right. You know what I'm saying? Okay, so you got it down to 87 months, which is how long math people here? Seven years? Yeah, a little bit close to eight years. Close to eight years. Okay, so that's a pretty good deal.

That's a pretty good deal. Right. Yeah. Well, if I stayed in New York, I was cooked. Yeah, it would have been whatever. Right. Because it was under over and whatnot, yeah. So you didn't have a federal,

did your state prison record affect how they sentenced you? Yeah, because you remember your sentence and got, and if it's about your sentence and guideline. It doesn't matter what the judge say. Once they put that in effect, it doesn't matter. the power is taken out of the judge's time. So every time you got arrested with anything, you get a point.

Yeah. Right? In your system, right? Same thing we're talking about if you're a manager or a... But did your state cases from the past count, give you points going into a sentence? Yes, because remember, that sentence and got it. So as you, it'll tell you how many times you've been arrested?

Yeah. What were you arrested for? So as you're going up that ladder and going over, shows you around the time you got. Now, obviously with my record and anything, it made me go over 20 years. See what I'm saying? But the only difference was I hadn't been in jail in 20 years also, so shows that I was doing pretty good as far as that. Right.

So the judge would have to, you know, and I had everything going against me, man, up in there using me, you know, psyching, fucking, you know, medical, everything I can possibly use to get a, what we call it, like a downward departure other than he was telling or something like that. Right. Oh, so you were saying, like, oh, he's mentally ill. Yeah. Yeah, like all these things make, you know what I'm saying? Like people showing up, letters, all that makes a difference when they send you. Right, right. Okay, so the judge did have mitigating circumstances when it came to your departure.

Right. Isn't that what creepy language? Yeah. Downward or upward departure. Yeah. If you get an upward departure, that means, wow, those numbers are high. Yeah. You might not ever see the street again.

Yeah, yeah. Fascinating. Well, you're out. You've been out for a minute. You're doing great. We've just been going so long. I'm going to switch over to the page. now, but you're a, you're one of a kind, man. I, I enjoy talking to you. I mean, we can go with it,

huh? Yeah, yeah. It's just such a, it's just such a saga. Yeah. A rags to riches, probably not, not a positive kind, but what's important is you're, you're back on your feet, you know, and that's, that's really what separates the people that come on this show from not, is I like to see people that are doing shit now, you know, people that came home and really haven't missed a beat. Right. So we'll talk about that. But Tank, are you promoting anything right now? I know you got companies, a different shit like that.

But, like, what do you, do anything people, people could check out, social media? Yeah, well, I mean, obviously there's a couple of things I'm doing now. I mean, I'm 51 years old. I'm big on this peptide game right now. Working out, working out twice a week. I'm on my ice cream, you know. Yeah, working for California protein ice. Yeah, yeah.

We're pushing that long. You know what I'm saying? We're just trying to get out of here, man, and put this thing back together, man, do some stuff in the community. But I really want to promote health now. You know, I'm 51. I mean, obviously, I'm shredded right now.

I eat what I want to eat. I do what I want to do. And, you know, I got a formula that I'm creating, you know. Work out two to three times a week and still be shredded. Get on your peptide gang. He'll heal your body. Take the Band-Aid off the big farmer and all these industries that put on you and promote good health, man.

and just change it, man. And get back to the community, man, you know, just helping, you know, these people get back on their feet. Do you live? You don't live in South Central anymore. No, I'm in the Valley. You're in the Valley? Great. Yeah, I'm out of the valley.

Yeah, I've been out of the valley for a long time. I'm just, I'm just doing me, man. Do you see any cats from the street? Anybody grew up with? Is anybody around? Are they all gone? There's not many of them. You know what I'm saying?

Either in jail or dead. Yeah. it's different now. You know what I'm saying? But I like that. I can say out the way. You know what I'm saying? I don't want to be involved in anything.

I mean, obviously you see what's going on the streets. You know, I really want to get the hell of body here. You know, once I get my money together, right, like I'm,

because America right now is just, it's, it's terrible. Yeah, it's not like it used to be. No, it was better when you could just, when there was just crime,

when you could just rob banks. I'm convinced the 90s were the, the pinnacle. Oh, my God. The best. I swear to God. Yeah, like as far as the more simple as you mean, because now it's so much. Yeah, yeah, it's crazy right now.

Yeah. Except when we lived in the Matrix, you know, you're living ignorant, but you're also, there is some bliss to that ignorance. Yeah, yeah. Tank, man. Thank you so much for coming out here. We're going to switch over to Patreon now because I want to hang out with them for a little longer. Patreon.com slash the Econnect show. Tank.

Thank you, G. Appreciate it. Thank you, bro. You're a man. Man, you're a man, bro. See you guys. guys.