The Connect- with Johnny Mitchell - Prison Gang Shot Caller Exposes Secrets Of White Prison Politics, Seeing Shankings, & Bribing Guards

Episode Date: February 17, 2024

JD Delay spent much of his life in and out of prison. So much so, that he eventually found himself as the shot caller for the Irish Pride prison gang in Oregon’s maximum security prison. He explains how he climbed the ranks, the politics on the inside, the horrors he witnessed and the ones he partook in. He also describes the moment he chose to turn his life around, get sober, and help others in recovery when he got out to make sure no one goes down the same path he did. It’s a must listen! Go Support JD! YouTube: @JdDelay5150 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@jddelay5150?lang=en Clothing Brand: https://convictclothing.net/ This episode is sponsored by PRIZEPICKS! Head over to https://www.prizepicks.com/connect and use promo code CONNECT for a first deposit match up to $100! Join The Patreon For Bonus Content! https://www.patreon.com/theconnectshow Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

I was not a pullover for the police type of dude in a stolen car. It just didn't. The math didn't math for me. So I would make myself as much of a danger to the community as humanly possible. And I would hit one way as going the wrong way. I would blaze through red lights. You know, most of the time when I'm doing high speed chases, I don't even care about the stolen car. It's like, I need to get off all of this dope.

My guest today is JD Delay. You've definitely seen this guy on YouTube or TikTok before. J.D. is an Oregon boy just like me. He went in and out of pretty. for years. He was a shock caller at the Oregon State Penitentiary. This guy is real deal, ex-con, so entertaining. And he's here today to tell us about his experience and everything about prison politics, the real inside baseball stuff that you can only get from a guy like this. Go check him out on YouTube, on socials, check his podcast out. For bonus content, stuff that

we really can't tell you on YouTube, go over to patreon.com slash the Connect show and draw us a like, turn on notifications so you get notified whenever we drop new content. Without further do I give you JD delay right here in the connect with Johnny Mitchell. Most of the gangs in the Oregon system, there's either a six month or a one year prospect period. And at the end of that, you have to put in work. I didn't wait till the end. You know, I went in with the intention to do some harm while I was there.

And I went out to yard and we were all, we all huddled. And like, I'm like, look at your shoes when I talk to you. Don't look at me. You don't got no business looking at me. Look at the ground. That's when I see the lights behind me, start the flash. And I didn't even think. I just hit it.

I was driving like my life depended on. Then I parked the car, popped out, closed the door, and I started running. And he pulls out a burner, shank. It's like six inches. And he passes it to me. And he goes, here, that's yours. Don't ever leave the cell block without this. He was the reason I made it out of that place alive.

J.D., what's up, dog? What's up, Johnny? It's good to be out here with you, man. Thank you. How are you finding L.A.? You know, I grew up in California. I grew up in Santa Rosa. So, like, there's always California native in my blood. And I love it out here. And the hotel that you put me in, you guys, Johnny doesn't play.

Just so you know, this man's the real deal. Thank you. 15th floor, King Corner Suite. Oh, yeah. Right by the Staples Center? Yeah. You're downtown. You walk everywhere.

Absolutely. And now you're in South Central. but you're basically whole narrative is Oregon. You're an Oregon boy like me. I consider you an Oregon boy. I did time with literally everybody that looked like you. Yeah. Okay.

If you want to know like what my cellmate and everybody on the yard and who I sat to eat with, just look at my guest, J.D. Well, you know, I did prison time in seven different prisons in the state of Oregon. I think it was seven or eight. It's count them. Let's count them. Okay, so start off at Coffee Creek, which as we know is the intake where they take all the men,

but it's also the women's prison. So, you know, you could be out on your little tiny yard and look over through two fences and there's a bunch of chicks over there flashing you through the fences. That was a fun ride. And then they sent me, like,

I was in there, I was in county jail and an intake with my co-defendant because we were, we wrote out for each other. You know what I'm saying? We were solid for each other. Nobody told. No, absolutely not. It was our, like, third case together.

Wow. And you were at Multnomah in Portland? We, we, we, where did you fall? This case was out of Eugene, Oregon. Okay, Lane County. Home of Nike. Home of the Ducks. You know what I'm saying? Go Ducks, you son of a bitch.

That's right. And so we went from Lane County Jail together on the same transport bus to Coffee Creek. And then I thought we were both going to go to the same place because, you know, I'm saying, like we both got 39 months. Same case, same sentence. What's the charge? It was three UUMVs on.

authorized use of a motor vehicle associated with high speed chases for each one of them. I was not a pullover for the police type of dude in a stolen car. It just didn't. The math didn't math for me. I was like, you know what I'm saying? Like I was, I got away out of nine out of 11 of these things when I was driving personally.

So I figured it was, you know, it was a fair shot. They don't have the ghetto birds like they have here in South Central. Right. And especially not in Eugene. Yeah. And you got a ton of land out there too to take them on,

you know, a high speed. As long as you don't end up on the freeway, you're likely to get away if you're not an idiot. What was your method of getting away? So I would make myself as much of a danger to the community as humanly possible. And please understand that when I say this, I'm not bragging. I'm not proud of this. It's disgusting.

But, you know, I would hit one ways going the wrong way. I would blaze through red lights. There's that taco time over on Coburg Road, you know, over by Sheldon, where I went to high school. I did, I think, like 72, they clocked me going through the drive-through there. And that's when they pulled back their stop on one of my bus. They actually pulled back and I was able to ditch the car. And, you know, most of the time when I'm doing high-speed chases, I don't even care about the stolen car. It's like, I need to get off all of this dope.

I need to get rid of this gun, you know. So your goal was to, are you dumping it as you're driving? Sometimes you dump it as you drive. sometimes I would want it to be somewhere where I could go back and get it. So like this last one that I got busted in, I got into somebody's backyard and I found a garden shed back there. And they had, you know, pots for potted plants. And I put all my stuff in there and they dumped gardening soil on top of it and went to sit down for a minute. And I literally fell asleep in the garden shed because I've been up for so long and then the adrenaline rush and everything.

and I came out after a little bit and there were still cops looking for me and they busted my ass. Right. Okay. So your goal, I remember I heard it from a homeboy in prison. He goes, he goes, we hit four corners. When we be in a stolen car, it'd be like four of them, right? They hit every corner they hit in a high speed, somebody jumps out. Then the next corner, other cat jumps out. And they're PPP, Pills, PURP and pistols. They're dumping everything, right? It's like a system. And then the last guy who's driving, he takes it, he takes it, floors it, hits the final turn and jumps out, then the car, you know, gets wrecked. Yeah. Was your goal to, to get out of sight if you're in a high speed, get out of their site and then pull over and jump out and run? Yeah, you want to get out of sight.

And they, so when you make yourself of enough of a liability to the community around you, they have, um, they can actually get in trouble. They have liability. They have liability. themselves, if they continue the chase, they have to pull back. Right. Because you're a danger to children or whoever else could be walking across the street. Exactly. So you get a little ways away from them to where they can't see you. And then you want to distance yourself from that car.

Yeah. People don't believe me. The day I got arrested, I was coming out of my, a place where I would pick up packages of money getting sent from wherever the East Coast. And the undercover's got behind me and they, started to light me up and I took like went 90 through a residential zone and they completely backed off and I had no idea why they did that and later on my lawyer was like that's a mandate like they can get is exactly what it is if if you're endangering the community they simply just give up

well yeah they have to because they can be held legally coping um so you know there's there's all of that and you know I started out not wanting to take stolen cars anything. further than I needed to. I started out stealing cars in Portland, Oregon, which you know well as well. And I had some Russian dudes out there that they would give us like five, six hundred bucks for every car that we would bring them. And I could steal a dozen in a night. And they were putting them straight on ships and sending them back home. So we were, we could make really good money in a night, just moving cars, you know, a mile, mile and a half. Yeah. So do you remember where? Was it North Portland where you were taking them? Yeah. Because and you got the ships and everything, the port is right there. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. So it, it was really easy to make really good money for at the time. You know what I'm saying? Like it's not anything. What were you doing that for to support your habit? Just yeah, to support it. At first it started out just to support my habit. And then it became like I was living a pretty decent lifestyle. Because if, you know, if you're bringing in five, six grand a night for, you know, somebody who's a tweaker, that's pretty good. You're not stealing catalytic converters and, you know, getting $100 for each of them. Right, right. So we did that for a while. And then I just got stupid

comfortable driving around and stolen cars. Because, you know, if the cops get behind me, what are we going to do? I'm going to do this dance with them. I'm probably going to win. And, you know, I'm probably going to get away. I got away so many times. And then I got shipped to prison, which I needed, it needed to happen. Yeah, sure. Johnny, I was a danger to the people around me. I was a danger to my community.

Like, out of all the crimes that I've committed, I feel the worst about stealing cars because there's no way to tell the trail of damage that that left in people's lives. You walk out of your house in the morning to go to work to be able to feed your kid and your car's gone. You might lose your job. You might not be able to take your kid. It's a huge burden. Even if insurance covers it, there's still costs to you.

You're still, yeah, losing time at work. You have to take cabs or Uber's everywhere. Like my catalytic converter was stolen, as I told you, last week in L.L. that's common, that happens, it's like a scourge. It's AIDS now. It's the new AIDS. It's the new AIDS. You can clip that. Memorial Day weekend is almost here, and it's time to kick off summer right.

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just by stealing, you know, a $100 piece of metal from the car. It's like, yeah, you know, I totally agree with you. Like these nonviolent crimes are still very, very much have victims. Yeah. And, you know, I moved away from doing that when I got out of prison as much as I could. So we were talking about prison. You know, me and my co-defendant were at Coffee Creek together. and they called us out on the same day for transport.

Like, hooray, we're going to the same prison. What's up, bro? And they called two different lines. They put me in one line and him and the other. And he had been to prison twice before me. He was the one who, you know, basically told me exactly what to expect. He told me all the do's and don'ts. You know what I'm saying?

The three Gs, no gambling, no gangs, no gays. You know? And he showed me the ropes a little bit before I even got there. And I'm like, oh, damn, it's his third strike. maybe they're sending them to, you know, somewhere bad, like Snake River. And then they told each line where we were going. And he was going to San E.M., which is a minimum. It's a nice little cushy minimum camp.

And I was going to Snake River. And I was like, I need to some bullshit, bro. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, I'm going to gladiator school at minimum custody. Right. With 39 months. So I went from Coffee Creek, Snake River. Was it Snake River for just a few months?

ended up in the hole, ended up, you know, they had already documented me, STG as Irish Pride, before I even got through intake. Right. They were like, they saw my,

I had a clover tattoo right here. I have a lot of them now. But they were like, you're either Irish Pride or you're A.B. And I was like, uh, uh, you know what I'm saying? Like I even was like,

bro, I'm white, white people aren't in gangs. What do you mean? I tried to play the choir boy with them and they weren't, they weren't buying it. So they labeled me as Irish pride.

And as soon as I got to Snake River, they started selling me up with Irish Pride dudes. And I was like, I met one of them that was an amazing dude. And he really changed my whole perspective on a lot of stuff. So I jumped into the car with them. Yeah. And then they sent me to Warner Creek. And then they sent me to OSP from Warner Creek. I was only at Warner Creek for a couple months.

How did you go from Warner Creek to OSP? Warner Creek is a minimum. I don't even think they have a fence around it. Warner Creek does have a fence. But it's a real low security. It's real low security. It's out in the middle of nowhere in Kalameth Falls. Yeah.

But they sent me because they couldn't prove that I got the Lane County Bike Path Rapist. But I got the Lane County Bike Path Rapest. Like my mama was afraid to do her daily walks when this dude was out there jumping out of bushes, grabbing chicks and pulling them into the bushes. Yeah. My mom stopped doing her walks. I took that real personally. You know what I'm saying? Okay.

So then you found him in prison? Yeah. And smashed him out or something? I smashed him out. I smashed him in the head with a rock. At Warner Creek? Yeah, yeah. And nobody told on me.

And then I'm the reason that they put cameras into Warner Creek out there. So, and he was real, like, he was in the honor dorm and he barely came off that honor dorm. So I stalked him, bro. I stocked him like a deer hunter. You know what I'm saying? I was like waiting for him. And I clipped him. I clipped him a good one.

But, you know, Warner Creek had a great weight pile. It was really cool. But they told me that I was not the type of inmate they wanted. there. And I can, I can agree with them. One, I wasn't insulted. They ship me to OSP and you know, OSP maximum. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. OSP is, you know, the oldest penitentiary in the state. It's the only maximum in the state of Oregon. Um, built in like the 1800s, looks like Shawshank Redemption. That's right. Uh, it's where they keep death row. It's where they used to do their executions until Oregon went super pussy and soft and now we don't kill people anymore, apparently. What? Um, you know,

You can kill all sorts of people on the streets and stick your junk places that it doesn't belong. But, oh, we're going to be nice to you when you get to prison. I love how every hardened criminal that comes out of prison is completely like right wing. They're like, I'm for the death penalty. I'm for getting tough on crime because you go to prison and you're like, oh, I get why we need prisons. It's like the old Richard Pryor joke. So I'm definitely not right wing. But when it comes to crime, like, bro, like you just, you have to speak to people in a language that they understand.

and somebody who their junk gets hard for a little kid isn't going to understand being coddled. Somebody who is a serial killer isn't going to understand, you know, we're going to talk to you real slow and real nice and we're going to ask you about your child. Fuck that. Kill them, bro. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I mean, they do in certain states. I mean, they're still killing them.

They just killed somebody in Alabama with like a, they just rolled out like gas. It's like a new gas. Yeah, new nitrogen gas. So here's the thing about that, too. man is that that dude killed a woman. He beat her and stabbed her to death. It was a paid hit. The woman's husband was a preacher.

And he wanted to collect insurance money for her death. So he paid that dude. And that dude literally beat and stabbed this woman to death. He got the death penalty back in, I believe, like, it was 89. And he's been alive since then. Bitch, you had a good run. 14 months ago, they tried. twice to give him the needle and they couldn't find a vein on this roly-poly ass motherfucker.

You know what I'm saying? He was eating good in prison. Yeah, bro. Hey, so, and so he requested, he was like, I don't want to do this. You poking me with a bunch of needles again. Please give me the gas chamber. Please. Yeah.

And then they were like, okay, bet, bet that up. Remember, remember the guy, sorry to cut you off. Remember the guy, Dave, what was his name? He was the guy that was up for execution in Oregon. He had stabbed a guy back in like 2002 at OSP, I think like 85 times. The guy had ripped him off for a balloon of dope and had swallowed it. And that was meant for this guy, Dave, he was a lifer. So him and his crony went and stabbed him and like gutted him trying to like open him up to get the balloon of dope.

Anyways, he went, he went on death row for that. Yeah. They were this close to killing him. And the new governor gave him a stay. They were like, he was like, no, no more executions. But that guy, Dave, wanted to die. He told the judge. He wanted to die so bad.

He told the judge, uh, you're a fool if you don't kill me today because anybody that I can get my hands on here on out is going to be dead. Uh, and that dude. So I've heard multiple different stories about that situation. I heard that because the dude was a South Sider and it almost caused a war, um, on the yard. Uh, when that happened, a white boy killing a South Sider, uh, It was fucking sleepy, bro. They killed Sleepy. And Sleepy had just come back from a visit.

And Sleepy usually brought shit in, bro. Sleepy was bringing shit in, you know, small-in balloons. His girl would, you know, do the normal rundown, go in there. She'd have the balloons in her, in her cooch. And she would get a bag of skittles and then go to the bathroom and stuff the balloons in the bag of skittles. And he would eat the coochy balloons full of heroin. Yep.

And from what I heard is that they got him walking across the control room floor and asked him if you wanted to come up to the music room to hear their new shit. Because they had a metal band. Right. And they took him up there and they stabbed him and cut his guts open looking for balloons. But he didn't sleep, he didn't have a visit with this girl that day.

Sleepy had a visit with his mom. And his mom didn't bring stuff in. So the dope didn't exist. But that dude, do you remember hearing about the Dairy Mart murders? No. So that dude was one of the main people in the Dairy Mart murders. These four dudes, long hair, Metallica, Slayer listening,

you know, metalhead kids. Yeah. Went into a dairy mart real high on LSD late at night where there was two female workers and one of them was pregnant. And they beat these women to death. Literally, one of them took a lead pipe and stuffed it down this woman's throat until it blew the back of her neck out. And she was pregnant.

And it was a really big deal. And they stole all the money and stole all the lottery tickets. The way they got caught was, turning in winning lottery tickets from the, the tickets that they had stolen because all of those are inventoried very clearly and numbered. And they were doing it to buy Slayer tickets. Yeah.

No, those guys got to be put away forever. Yeah. Well, I knew, I knew that dude on the streets. Uh, he, he was friends with one of, uh,

my good friend's brother. And they like ritualistically killed my friend's cat. And I remember talking to her, she was just crying her eyes out because they had like done some, ritual satanic. Some white boy shit. Let's face it. It's not really anybody else out there just killing cats for Slayer, you know?

You don't see a lot of black guys, Cripping, killing cats for Slayer ticket money. No, no, that's definitely some pale skin shit. Some Oregon shit, bro. Oh, God. It could be some Florida shit, though, too, man. Let me tell you, I've lived in Florida for a while. They are definitely out there doing wild stuff.

But I did just see there was a black YouTuber, a female black YouTuber who just was arrested like last week for killing pigeons, chicken, rabbits, and I think a cat and dissecting frogs on lives on YouTube for views and likes. Wow. And she got four charges of animal cruelty. Well, I think that's called voodoo. It comes from Haiti.

Yeah. We understand that. Killing a live chicken? So do you think that this is like we could be discriminating against her religious beliefs? Well, I think, I think it just goes to show like if you give enough people opportunity, they too can do anything white people can do. You know what I mean?

Like there's black school shooters now probably, right? It's like everybody's caught up. There's black got there's black gots now. You know, there's black nerds. That was Kanye West. You know what I mean? Bro, what happened to that dude, bro? Do you think he was cloned?

I don't know. I don't know about the cloning. But I think, I think he's got a really obviously active kind of. a schizophrenic mind. I think he was trying to describe kind of what we're all feeling now, which is like, are we living in a simulation? What is happening to our country?

You know, are we all being fed lies? Is this all type of some grand conspiracy? And, you know, he threw the word Jew in it a few too many times. I actually don't think his ideas were too, like, racist or whatever they were trying to call it. I just think he doesn't articulate himself well. Most artists don't. I think the, like,

idolizing of Hitler, like where he directly said, yeah, he directly said the three greatest minds of all time, Jesus Christ, Hitler, Kanye. And I think people were like, buddy, I mean, I know it's hard to swallow pills, but there's meds and you need to be on them. It might be helpful. Hey, guys, I got to take a minute to thank our favorite longtime sponsor on the show, Prize Picks. Prize Picks is America's number one fantasy sports app with over three million members. They are, they are, the easiest and most exciting way to play DFS. It's just you against the numbers. You pick more than or less than on two to six players stat projections and watch the winnings roll in. It's demon time now on prize picks, you guys. You can now win up to 100 times your money with as little as four correct picks. You can turn $10 into a thousand. You can't do that with drug money even. Demons and Goblins are the newest and most exciting way to play at prize picks. Squares mark with red demons or green goblins get you different payouts.

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When did you start? You ended up in Eugene. You basically grew up in Eugene. So we moved to Eugene from Santa Rosa when I was 13 years old. My dad, the hardest working dude I've ever met in my life. He did two tours in Vietnam, combat vet, Marine. He came back with extreme PTSD. Wow.

And we lived in Santa Rosa in a neighborhood where there was like a lot of stuff going on. There were two different rival Mexican gang. fighting over where territory was going to be laid at that time. Nortanos, right? Yeah, Nortenos and Sireanos were like trying to figure some stuff out over whose territory was what. So, you know, there was drive-bys and shit all the time in our neighborhood. And it just was what it was.

But my dad worked so hard, bro. Like he left before the sun came up and he didn't get home until the sun was down for years to save up money to move us to Oregon and start his own business. And I didn't want to go to. Oregon. I, I, 100% told my parents, you're trying to move me to a sheepfucker state. I don't want to do this. Um, and they were like, uh, well, you know, we're doing this. So they moved me out there and I was like, hold on. There's, this place is kind of cool. Hippie capital of the universe. We have a park name after Jimmy Hendricks. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like the weed is way dope out here.

And, uh, so there was like a huge culture in Eugene. And I got into that and, uh, you know, instantly I was selling weed on 13th Street to you know hippies and stuff from college kids. The college kid lick was great. You know, you know that's where I got my start. Yeah, I 100% know. That's right. 13th Street. I used to march.

I would go to class sometimes with pounds in my backpack and be walking because I had a lick to hit on my way home. So 13th Street, Hilliard, Patterson, High Street. I mean, those were my stomping grounds. like I would be coming from like committing robberies and walking through those streets with the backpack on dump the backpack at like a stash house, change clothes and go to like a college party. It's like a complete mind. It's a complete duality. You know? Absolutely. And you know, there's always like there's always a fresh batch of college kids that are going to think that an

eighth looks like this across the bag. You know what I'm saying? Like it was back then and you know, Now it's completely different because there's shops on every corner. But, you know, back then we were, we were getting it, bro. So you're killing it? We were making decent money. You know what I'm saying? And I wasn't on like a, you know, rolling, you know, selling pounds and pounds and pounds at a time. But street level drug dealing.

Yeah. You know, that's where I got my start. And I did that. And, you know, psychedelics were my thing. I hated white drugs, bro. I didn't want anybody who's doing anything white anywhere near me. I stuck to what hippie drugs. Do you remember meth when you first moved to Oregon?

Like, do you remember that being a thing even back then? Yeah, and I wouldn't let, like, I literally would kick people out of my house. People would be having a party. Yeah. And people would whip out meth. And I would be like, you're gone. Get out. You brought that shit into my house.

Get out. It was very discriminatory against people that were doing harder drugs. Until, you know, one night, I'm working at a bar during the day and I'm going to school or working at a bar at night and I'm going to school during the day. And one night somebody hit me up and they're like, hey, you know, you look exhausted. I'm like, I'm dead, bro. Like, I'm dead. I'm on my feet, but I'm dead.

Like, well, I got this stuff. And I'm like, I'm not doing any of that shit. And they're like, well, weren't you raised on like riddlin and Adderall? Didn't you take that? Because I knew this girl from like middle school. And I was like, yeah. And she's like, it's the same shit, bro. And I was like, oh, well, that, I mean, like, chemically, it is only one molecule away.

And I decided to try it. And as soon as I took that first hit, I was like, oh, this is my whole personality now. Like, just 100% just turned into a stone cold piece of shit, like right off rip. You sniffed it to start? So I did a line of it first because she was smoking it. And I was like, that looks funny. And I don't know that I want to do that. Like, it looks gross.

She was smoking it off foil. And I was like, it's kind of, that looks like poor people shit. Right. And then I did the line. and it hurt like fucking hell, bro. Like doing lines of meth. Have you ever done a line of meth? No.

I love you for that. Yeah. That's amazing. Good for you. I've dabbled in a little bit in cocaine. Yeah. So tell us the difference between sniffing a line of coke and meth. So snorting a line of cocaine is like if you powdered titty, you know, just nice big fluffy

titty. That's what cocaine's like in your nose. Yeah. And meth is like getting like nose raped by a, uh, a, uh, a, barbed wire fence. Right. All the way up into your head. It's burning. Um, you know, because it's glass. It's shards of crystal. Even back when it was just a biker dope, you know what I'm saying? Right. The, the probe dope. Um, very, very acidic, dude. You know, there's a lie in that shit, bro. There's meratic acid used in those processes of cooking that shit. Now, what year was that

that you first started smoking? Mm. asking me about years is so hard up, bro. The early 2000s? Yeah, definitely like early 2000s. So this was before the cartels, Before the cartels took a monopoly on it, right? It was right before the cartels took the monopoly and started moving glass all the way up the I-5 corridor. Okay, so what was the difference? Like, people think that meth is kind of a new phenomena, but speed, which is met...

Speed has been around forever. Is different. Speeds are around forever since the 70s, right? At least on the illegal market. We'll say the illegal market in the 60s and 70s and on up. What's the difference between, speed and meth. Like so there's a lot of people who want to argue whether the Japanese or, uh, whether, you know, the Nazis were taking it developed. Right. Meth first. I don't really

think it matters. The Nazis came up with a pretty good recipe that, uh, has been used classically throughout the United States for a couple decades. There was a whole documentary on this guy who literally found the Nazis recipe and started cooking it in a trailer, blew his trailer up and everything. But, um, you know, it was mainly bikers. It was mainly bikers. And, um, you know, it was, was predominantly a white person drug. You know what I'm saying? Like people of color seemed to like crack better and white people had an affinity for meth. But what was the difference though between speed and meth?

Is there a difference? So speed is going to be powdery. Yeah. And it's harder to smoke. They made crystal as a form that would be easier to smoke. Right. Is it cheaper too than speed, traditional speed? Like it just depends on what recipes you're using.

using, if you're doing probe, you can make so much with just a small amount of, of probe. Like, you can make pounds. That's why anytime they find anything to do with any, any probe cooking, it's instantly federal regardless. So all, so, uh, meth, crystal meth almost is to speed what crack cocaine was to powder cocaine. Yeah.

I don't think that it's like, I don't think that it's any stronger. in form, but it's a lot more addictive when you're smoking it than when you're snorting it. Just like crack. Yeah, exactly. So, and then, you know, there's always the aspect of people shooting it. I've never used a needle to get high in my life. I'm terrified of needles. People are like, oh, big tattooed dude with piercings.

He's scared a needle. Yes, bitch, me. That's me. All the tweakers in prison will always brag to you how they never shot dope. That's like a big, that shows how high class you are. Never shot any dope, brother. Yeah, but then, then you see, you know, the skinheads. of white power and they go down the tier to ask a black dude to use the, the, uh, tier rig.

So they can shoot some heroin. Right. You know what I'm saying? I'm preserving my bloodline. Hey, Tyrone. Let me get that rig. Right. Exactly.

So it's, it's a wild dynamic in there. So this was this, uh, when you could still buy pseudafed over the counter where you, and, and, and hillbillies could make it in their trailer in the, the rural parts of Oregon. That's how you started smoking. Yeah, all the old bikers and white boy cooks were doing a lot of that stuff. And that's what I started on. And then Crystal started to take over. And that's the, that's the cartel shit.

Yeah, yeah. That's the stuff that's coming en masse from Kulia Khan and all these different places in Mexico. Absolutely. One of my, so he was one of my street family. He was my street uncle. He was the first white captain of the Serenios in the state of Oregon. and he was a dope cook in Lane County. And he said that when the task force busted him the last time,

they told him, you know, it was Inet. I'm sure you've met Inet in Eugene. Yes, yes. So the head of the task force for Inet told him, the worst mistake we ever made was shutting down all of you dope cooks that were local because we opened the gates for the cartel. And he's like, we could handle you guys. We are screwed now.

Yeah. He said, we put you out of business and we just left an open monopoly for them. Dude. And literally gifted them over the last two generations now, untold billions of dollars. Oh, yeah. Given them a monopoly on it. Yeah. Did, uh, so you're, you're smoking and how do things progress?

When do you start selling it? And when are you really like, let your life fall apart? So, I mean, it was crazy because it was almost immediately that I started, uh, I started selling it. And then one of my, one of my, one of my, one of my, was stealing cars on a regular basis. And I was like, you got to teach me how to do that. I really want to know how to do that. You know what I'm saying?

And he's like, okay, chill, bro. I'll show you how to do it. So he taught me how to shave keys and do jiggle keys. And back then you could do that. I'm willing to talk about that because it's not a way that kids are going to be able to go out and steal cars right now. I'm not giving classes on how to ruin your life. Because all of this stuff is horrible kids.

Don't do any of the stuff me and Johnny are talking about. They'll figure it out. They've already figured out a much worse way. Yeah, I'm sure they have. But, you know, the jiggle keys, you could, there were certain patterns that you could make. And as you put them in, you know, in the lock, you jiggle them a little bit and it'll turn.

And now they have transponder keys and laser cut keys and all that shit to combat that. But he taught me how to do that. And I was boom with that. Because here's the thing about selling dope. Selling dope is really profitable. And it sells itself. And it's, it's the problem with it.

is it's annoying because your phone never stops ringing. Yeah. Like I got to the point where I hated my phone and when my phone rang, I would sit there and grer, but how many sales do you make as, as a meth dealer with good meth every day in a 24-hour period? It never stops. It's not about how many you, it's not about how many you can get. It's about how much time do you have?

It's like, do you stop to be able to smoke for yourself? Do you stop to be able to sleep? Do you stop to eat? Do you stop? do can you take a piss it's it sells itself the thing i liked about stealing cars which got me diverted to that was it was an adrenaline rush there's no adrenaline rush like being high on meth and stealing a car and then getting in a high speed chase there were times where we were trolling for cops like if i see a cop i'm just going to gun it bro we're going to have high speed chase tonight

because it's wild the adrenaline that you get yeah there's no i've never felt more alive in my entire life like i've played shows at packed out clubs where I'm on stage with a microphone, you know, with my metal band. And that was a great high. Love that. Healthy high. But the high speed chase thing was just insanity. Forget about it.

And getting caught for a stolen car is not that big of a charge. It was only 13 months in Oregon at the time. And then they came out with that. I believe it was Measure 57, which is what they were trying to bust me on later. And what is that? So it's like a career criminal. I think they,

I think they actually, it was Measure 57. I think they called it the Denny Smith Law because this dude was such a career car thief. He'd been doing it for so long and he'd gotten so many UUMVs that were like, this is no longer a deterrent. So they wanted to break you off with.

So for a Class C felony, the most they can give you is five years, period. Whether they break that up in prison, they give you three years in prison and two years probation or, you know, the 13 months and then they give you some time when you get out. That's the max that they can give you. And they just wanted to max it.

out with prison. So they started doing that for property crimes in Oregon. And I'm not sure if Measure 57 is still a thing or not. But I know that I went into prison and it was 13 months for each one. So I, you know, back to backed, uh, you know, three of them. And I had good time and earned time, but I joined a gang and I lost all that. But then I got out and I was good for a couple years. I was, I didn't do any crimes. I was like legit. You know, I did a little blow and I drank and I played music and all of that, held down two jobs working for the county, Lane County Parks and working for Gold's Gym as a trainer and did great. And then when I relapsed and I got caught up on a stolen car case, they wanted this DA tried to give me seven years for you UMV. And I'm like,

that's not even legal sentencing. I'm like, what do you mean you want me to plead out to this? You're crazy as hell. I had no option but to try to fight it. Yeah. And this is this is what you ended up pleading out to like the 39 months? No, this is after I got out of prison. Okay. I got hemmed up on another stolen card case. And 100% I was guilty. And they weren't offering any types of deals.

In fact, the only plea bargain they had for me was two years over the maximum sentence they could give me. They can't give it to you unless you agree to it. So she was trying to pull an old okie dope. And I hired, do you remember Jim Jagger? No. One of the best attorneys in Eugene Oregon. Jim Jagger, he was a hog slayer.

Everybody was always like, and Eugene, if you will need off charges for state, it's Jim Jagger. For Fed, it's Larry Rolloff. I've heard of Larry Rolloff. Yeah, Larry Rolloff or Larry Rollover because he got a bunch of his clients to roll over on people. But, you know, his clients did well. Yeah. Yeah, of course.

So do you feel like those small towns, especially in places like Oregon, they fuck you the worst because the DAs here, you get. caught with a stolen car in L.A. It's like you're getting out before lunch. Yeah. Like there's so much crime and they're so backed up. There's no there's no bed space. They're just moving you through. In Lane County, they can break you down piece by piece. I saw people getting hammered coming out of Lane County. Oh, it happened for a good long time. Um, but just recently they started uh, filing on property crimes again, but for 18 months, they would not file. Um, property crimes. They had like eight, uh, public defenders and I think three prosecutors all quit at once.

They were just like, y'all ain't paying us enough for this. We're out. What do you mean? Why? Because they weren't, they were mags. They weren't prosecuting enough. There were over. Their, their caseloads were so overwhelming that they bounced. So they, they, they just started no filing on all you UMVs, theft ones. If it wasn't a violent crime, they weren't going to, they weren't going to press the charge. So you'd get arrested in a stolen car and they'd take you to the jail and they'd be like, we're not even processing them. Right. For 18 months. And so at the time, I was on the run in the state of Florida from UUMV and Theft 1 charges that they wanted 10 years for. And I wrote in and I was like, hey, so like I'm doing really good. I'm a recovery coach, but I've got these old charges. And the DA

who sent me to prison in 2006 is a judge now, Deborah Vote. And she said, okay, cool. drop this and she dropped the charges so that I was able to move back to Eugene. Wow. Were you worried that they were going to arrest you right there or did you call in? What? Because you're on the lamb when you were in Florida. You would absconded technically, right? I got arrested multiple times, but I knew that there was a extradition radius and on my

charges. It's connecting states only. One thing about Oregon, they're broke as fuck and they're not going to try to come get you from four states away on a property crime. Now, if it's a murder. or something like that. If it was even a measure 11, like a simple assault

where they want to slam you with five or seven years, they probably come multiple states away. But Oregon and Florida have beef with each other on extradition because Oregon's burned Florida on extradition multiple times. Florida won't send you on their dime.

Like Oregon literally has to come get you and pick you up and bring you back. That's why when I moved to Florida, there were so many people that were on the run from Eugene Oregon in Florida. I rolled up to the apartment complex and there was like six people. Like my uncle was there. And I was like, oh, what's up? And he's like, hey, you made it. They call it the Gangsters Paradise in Florida. That's why like a bunch of the organized crime

people retired to their, you know, Florida is, I mean, it's a great place to hang out if you're on the run. They had the main bar that we all hung out with was called Crook's Den. Nice. It was full of bikers and there was hell of murders in there. Like somebody gets murked in there and they're like, God damn it, wait till closing to call the cops. I don't want to deal with this. And plus coming from Oregon, a place with, you know, a methy state with a bunch of sex offenders, Florida is an easy transition.

Yeah. You know? Yeah. So Oregon is like the lightest penalties on sex offenders. Is that right? Out of anywhere in the country. And Florida just passed a law where if you do a sexual assault under the age of 12, you are eligible for the death penalty.

And you only have to get eight out of 12 jurors to actually agree on that. They are trying. to put chomos to death. That sounds like Florida. In Florida. Now that's fascinating. You know, I met, I know when you're in prison, everybody lies, especially if there are chomo, they have bad paperwork. They're going to, they're going to lie to you. I met people there, you know, usually Mexicans or poor people that, you know,

had dump truck lawyers that got, that had hundreds of years for child crimes. So I had a different, I, in my experience, I didn't see people getting light sentences for So were you talking... Sex beefs. You were out at like... Were you out at two rivers? The majority of my stretch. Yeah.

So two rivers, I think they sent a lot of the most severe cases out to two rivers because it's run in a way that allows them to segregate things a little bit more. Yeah. Like, don't get me wrong, bro. Two Rivers is not a PC camp. No. But I think that they send people out there so that they can segregate them a little bit more. Sure.

Some of those dudes with hundreds of years, you put them on a yard like Snake River. And they're going to be a corpse. bro. If you put them at OSP, you know, there's, they didn't even have cameras when I was at OSP, bro. Like, and, you know, you could get murked on those stairs. Yeah. You can get killed in the laundry room. At the turnstile, right? At the turn style in the, in on the yard, bro, there's multiple places, you know. Do you remember that? So, tell us about OSP. So OSP was my favorite place to be out of the for sure. Though. I, I, I was there for a very brief couple of weeks, uh, as they were moving me to minimum. But I was like, dude, I could do my whole stretch here. Because you can actually do time.

there. I did two years there and I actually had a lieutenant come up to me and be like, delay, like you're smarter than the stuff that you're doing. Don't you want to go to minimum? And I was like, no, you're going to send me halfway across the state. I don't want to go to minimum. I'm comfortable here. And she told me I could pick, handpick my minimum that I went to. But so I finally, that's why I ended up being good for six months and getting shot at to minimum. But I was so comfortable there because we, you know, the gangs really run OSP. Yeah. You go to a minimum facility and like they have things to hold over your head and everything like we'll just stab you at OSP right okay so tell us about who you ran with at OSP okay so um I've never really talked about

this on the internet before but I talked to some of my homeboys and they're like dude bang it bang it bang it out baby you're on the connect you know what I'm saying the whole boys exclusive the whole boys actually want me to put the name out there a little bit so I ran with Irish pride okay um and uh you know it's I know that every gang says this that you know we're not really a gang were a family. We were 100% we were a gang, but it was like a family as well. You know what I'm saying? Like, we didn't put people on that we thought were cannon fodder. A lot of these gangs go for quantity over quality because they know that if you're not quality, they can just put you on a dummy-ass mission. And we didn't, we didn't do any of that. We wanted straight soldiers. So, are they from Oregon?

They're from Southeast Portland. Okay. Right. I've heard of these cats. They're from Southeast Portland. and they were doing big things on the streets out there in southeast. Do they still operate in southeast or is it just a prison gang now? So look, here's the thing is that they're big in prison. All the homeboys that I know are doing like real life shit. Like I've got one of the big homies is out in Idaho and he runs a treatment center. I've got multiple homeboys that work in treatment helping people. Some are business owners.

Some have families. They've all bought in houses. All of the ones that I know, you know, you know, one of my homies is up in Portland right now. He has his own tattoo shop and is killing it. So it sounds like it's morphed to just become an operation on the inside. I really think that it has. You know, it started out on the streets of Portland.

There was, you know, there was Irish pride and there was FBK. Which is. The fat bitch killers. I love that. So there was Irish pride and FBK. And we all got along really well, like on the streets. And, and in fact, I have some great stories about the FBK cats, dude.

You know, their name, their name has some comedy to it, but they're no joke on the yard. They're pretty stabbing ass dudes. Okay. So when you, you clicked up with Irish Pride pretty quickly. You got the Snake River. Yeah, my second, Sally was one of the shot callers for Irish Pride. He was doing a double life sentence because when he was 17 years old, his uncle was molesting his little sister. and dude tried to take it to the police.

He tried to take it to his parents. He tried to take it everywhere and nobody would listen. So he ended up cutting his uncle up. He invited his uncle out to a bonfire, killed him, cut him up, put him in several different locations to try to dispose of the body at 17 years old, went home, showered, bleached under his fingernails, burned his clothes and shit.

Yeah. His dad ended up snitching on him. Oh, my God. And he got double life sentences for that. It's 17 years old for trying to protect his little sister because the dude would not stop raping his little sister. Right. Super good dude.

Small. Small dude. Like I get in there and, you know what I'm saying? Like, I'm short timing and this is my second cellie that I have. And I'm a big dude. You know what I'm saying? And he's a small dude. And I could instantly, when I walked in, not even knowing who the dude was, I could

tell by his demeanor that this dude is no joke. He was like, first thing he said to me was paperwork. And I'm like, right here, buddy. And I'm like yours. And he hands me his paperwork. and I'm like all the respect dog you know what I'm saying and he's like cool so you you're here on you UMVs so uh when's your out date and I'm like I got 39 months he's like cool that's the last time you'll ever talk about getting out around me and I was like facts okay you know what I'm

saying he's like we have some rules in this cell you sit down to pee and I'm like explain it and he's like so there is a piss missed radius when you stand up and you pee you know two three feet from the water, there's a splashback mist radius. And he goes, this is my home for the rest of my life. I'm never going to see the streets again in my life. And I don't want to live with a bunch of other dudes piss. You'll be in and out of here. This is, this is my forever home. And I was like, I got you. I can respect that. J.D. I got the same speech. Did you? When I went to two rivers with my celly doing life, shock caller for the hell's angels out there. Yeah. To this day, 15 years later, I still sit to pee. Yeah, bro. Like, I mean, if I'm,

more comfortable. If I'm home, that's generally a lot of the time. That's what I do. If I'm home. Yeah. Yeah. I don't sit to pee at like the zoo. No, I'm absolutely not going to be out at the clerk. You know what I'm saying? Getting my twerk on and then, you know, sitting down to pee. But like at home, I absolutely do that. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Chicks nailed it with that one. You get more of it out. Yeah. It's relaxing. You get some phone time. 100%. Yeah. 100%. I think that men are always constantly being push to be more productive and yada yada yada stay on your feet look i'm gonna i'm gonna hang out bro i'm gonna be scrolling through the tiki talking yeah that's right so but yeah i think it's a lifer thing because a lot of the lifers are about that you know my first sally was super laid back uh i got there and i was super

concerned because he was at work and i was like hey so uh who's my sely and i'm at snake river and i was concerned because you know first off if they put you in with a black dude in the Oregon prison system, you're not allowed to sell up with a black dude. It'll cause all sorts of problems. What would you do? If they're putting me into his cell, that's that man's cell. I'm going to refuse to sell in and I'm going to go to the hole. I'm not going to disrespect the dude.

I'm not going to try to fight the dude. I don't know who that dude is. And it's none of my business, what that dude's charges is. I'm just not going in the cell. I'm not going to unpack my shit. I'm going to stand at the door and I'm going to be like, I'm ready to go to the hole right now. I'm already packed, dog. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah. But since I was marked as STG, they, automatically never tried me. And it's not my rules. It's not that I have an aversion to living with people of color. I have no problem with that. In the state of Florida when I was locked up, no problem with it.

Had some great sellies that were black. So you would never ask a black guy or a Mexican guy for his paperwork because that's done of your business. We can't do that. You can't do that. We police our own community. And like a lot of the time when I talk about this stuff online, like it's like so I don't really want to get super into depth.

with a lot of the racial politics because it's just so easy for people to misinterpret and be like, oh, you made the rules. Because these people don't know, bro, I was a tourist. I was doing 39 months. I didn't set up the rules of how this goes,

but we can't go up to somebody, you know, who's of another race and ask him, what are your charges? And what's the point if you do? Because you're not going to fight the dude and start a gang war on the yard. You can't extort the dude. You can't beat him up.

You can't kill him. There's no, you have no, business getting in another racist business. You know what I'm saying? So there's like the, we have different politics. White boys don't stand for that shit. If you are on some chomo shit or you've got that that hard R against a woman, then, you know, the white boys are not going to let you ride out. You're going to have a really bad ride. But there's other races that don't care. Yeah, I noticed that with, especially with the blacks in Oregon, is that they really

let a lot of that slide. And I think it's because they just need numbers. on the main line. Well, and also, I mean, like, there's, there's some of those groups where if it's a white girl, it's extra hood points. You know what I'm saying? If you raped a white girl, they're all high-fiving you for that. Oh, you got that white bitch. You know what I'm saying?

And it's, it's sad because if it was a white dude who raped a black girl or a Latina girl or any other race, we wouldn't see it any other way than you're a rapist, bro, and we're fucking you up. So when you first joined Irish pride then, you, you do you have, what is your function? Do you have to put in work? Or are you just on the car at the workout bench? What are you doing for that? So I mean, there's a six month prospect period. Okay. For most gangs. You know what I'm saying? Like most of the gangs in the Oregon system, there's either a six month or a one year prospect period. And really all I was seeing when I was out there was, uh, the, the organizations were doing a six month prospect period. Um, I think they did away with the one year. and most of them, even though it was that before. So, and at the end of that, you have to put in work. I didn't wait till the end.

I, you know, there were opportunities for me to do things that, like, I'm not going to talk about on the internet because there's not a statute of limitations for some of this stuff. Some stuff I've been busted for. Some stuff there's a statute of limitations and some of the stuff that I've done, I'll never, ever talk about on the internet because to this day, they could come back and they could be like, well, there's no statute of limitations on that type of violent crime. Right. but like I I did my shit early and so I ended up you know I still had to ride out my prospect period and then they put it to a vote you know whoever's on the yard wherever you are is like okay so should we have this dude get his should he be allowed to ride with us should be he be allowed to patch um sometimes they'll make you wait longer sometimes they'll put you on earlier um I I ended up getting put on just a little bit shy of like four months um um

But it's, you know, I went in with the intention to do some harm while I was there. Like I, because I was molested when I was six years old. And I never got justice against the person that molested me. Like nothing ever came of it because, you know, I was, it was a person that was involved with my family's church. And, you know, there was a very big stigma that gay people go to hell. And I'm six years old. and this dude did stuff with me that wasn't like consensual, but like I thought it made me gay

and I thought I was going to go to hell and I didn't want to tell my parents like, I'm not going to heaven with you because I'm gay now. And there was like this whole extra trauma added to it because of the religious aspect of it. So when I went to prison, I was like, I'm going to beat up a bunch of chomos. You know what I'm saying?

Like I'm going to find these dudes. I'm going to make them as miserable as humanly possible. Yeah, someone's getting touched for what happened to me getting touched. Yeah. So, you know, and I don't think that it's really like, I mean, I respect anybody who goes in there and is willing to do whole time and all of that for beating up chomos. But like, you've seen the chomos, bro. How many tough chomos have you seen? Not one.

Yeah, exactly. So it's not like, it doesn't make you gangster to go beat up a child molester because they're puks, bro. Yeah. They ain't shit. Yeah. You know, you want my respect for fighting, fight a gangster. Sure. But, you know, people, there are people in prison who will.

give you respect right off rip for beating up chomos. Well, most places, uh, in a place of California, a chomo would never even get near the main line or he'd be getting stabbed up. So it's, in the, in the old days. I mean, there's how many 50, 50 yards are there now? Yeah, I don't know. California just opened up prisony land. It's changing. Yeah, sure, fair enough. But I still wouldn't, uh, I still wouldn't, uh, I still wouldn't want to test it. You know, I mean, I wouldn't want to be a chomo anywhere. Yeah, no, no, no, but I'm saying, like, I still think they would take care of you in some of these bigger, bigger facilities, but did you ever do a hole shot for

any work you did? Oh, I did a few different whole shots. I did my first whole shot at Snake River. It's so stupid, bro. I went, somebody gave me a stick. When I first got to Snake River, I knew everybody. It was like a family reunion. I got there and I remember being daunted. I'm like, it's sad that I know this many people here in Snake River, like right off rip. From Eugene.

from Eugene from Portland yeah from all over I was like the gang's all here you know what I'm saying um but you know it was kind of cool it was kind of cool because they immediately put shoes on my feet I wasn't walking around in those crusty ass cruisers yeah what I'm saying converse yeah before I even hit my first yard I was I was I was in some nikes yeah was some dusty ass old nikes but they I didn't look like I was fresh and brand new yeah um so somebody handed me uh somebody handed me a somebody handed me a somebody handed me a somebody handed me a stick, you know, weed. For those people who don't know, we call them sticks, it's because they're they're not real joints. They're just tiny little things. It's the dust for, pretend you're thinking about rolling a blunt on like an old CD case. That dust that you just blow off at the end, that's, that's a stick. That's about as much weed is in a prison stick. That's $7.7. I'm just going to say, yeah, that's the going right. Exactly. So, you know, that's a bag of coffee. I went out there on the on the yard because um everybody was like don't smoke that in the unit you'll blow up the unit and you'll get the whole unit searched and I'm like okay cool I was gonna blow

it in the toilet but whatever which really is how I should have done it but I went out to the yard and took a battery and a piece of brillo and I smoked a join out on the yard and um I ended up getting later that day I got uh or later that night they took me down to uh you a because somebody had seen me doing something on the yard or somebody snitched one or the other, I don't know. And I didn't come up positive for THC. I came up positive for a pill that this old man had gave me,

this old man had given me a morphine. And I completely forgot that I took it because it didn't do anything to me. But the stick actually got me stoned. So I was like, oh, I don't know if that's, was it too soon? Is that going to show up on my UA? And it didn't.

But the morphine. did. So I did like 45 days in the hole for that. Just for a morphine UA. Yeah. What did you ever do whole shots for like violence you committed or work for the car? Yeah. Yeah. So, um, so there was a dude who showed up at OSP and he had, I had put an on site on him because there was a dude in another prison that was one of our, our brothers who had written us and told us that this dude was a snitch and that he snitched on him on his case. And so I put an on side on him. And, and you know what it is with an on-site. It's, it doesn't matter who you are.

You just, as soon as you see him, you take flight on them. It doesn't matter where you are. Yeah. I mean, it could be in front of, you know, it could be in the middle of a courtroom. So I go after this dude.

I start, I start beating his ass on the control room floor. There's cops there, of course. He's fighting back. Dude was fighting back. And they drag us down and put us in the hole. It's a mutual combat because he fought back. In prison,

if somebody starts fighting you, you're not allowed to fight back. You're supposed to just, I guess, flail or yell. Help. Help. Yeah. But he fought back.

So we both end up getting four month hole shots. And I do my four months in the hole and I'm dreaming because you know, have you been to the hole? Yeah. So you know how little they feed you in there. And like, I'm not going to lie. I'm a fat kid, bro.

I need a little more food than what they feed you in there. They barely give you enough to sustain yourself and you can't get canteen. So I'm dreaming about that spread when I get out. and they take me and they, you know, if you've been to OSP where they suit you out, you know, they take you there. They put your property in the room. They put your clothes in the room. So I've got my jeans and my blue shirt and I'm getting out of this awful ass jumpsuit.

And I'm super stoked. I'm looking at my property. I pick up my property box. I see my soups and all my shit. And I walk out and I look over and there's that dude again getting dressed out with me because we were getting released the same day. They didn't separate us. I thought they would have shot him to another prison.

And something in me just flipped like a switch and I dropped my box and I jumped him again. And he didn't fight back this time. He just did the type of thing. And so I ended up getting a unilateral combat. And so I went back to the hole because they gave me six months for that because it was a unilateral. Unilateral combat suck, bro. They're automatically going to max you out. I'm lucky I didn't get IMU to be honest with the whole context.

Were you worried about going, With your mentality of I'm going to touch a chomo, I'm going to join a gang, I'm going to, you know, maybe smuggle drugs or have access to weapons. Were you worried about catching another case being as that you were such a short timer like I was? Here's the thing is that like they're generally back then, bro. They weren't giving out hate crimes for for beating up chomos. The only time you were at OSP, bro, as long as you weren't stabbing somebody, you didn't get caught with a knife. you didn't get caught with like drugs from outside the facility, you know, street drugs. You didn't stab nobody.

You didn't hit nobody with a lock and a sock. You didn't use weapons. You weren't going to get an outside charge. Yeah. You know, they've changed a lot of that. Like a lot of the time now they're going to hit you with a hate crime for even slapping a chomo in the mouth. So the distinction is what defines a hate crime is you beat him up because he's a chomo. No other criminal is protected by the type of crime that they do.

they're literally considered a protected class in there. How crazy is that? There's gay people aren't a protected class. Trans people aren't a protected class. You know, no color of people. But if your crimes against children, you're a protected class.

What is that? So you have to make it seem like that's not the reason you fought them. So, you know, like, uh, if you're going to beat one up in front of a CEO, walk up to him and be like,

what, did you just call me a bitch and then take flight on them? Yeah. Because then you can say, you know, he punked me out. Yeah, he punked me. I had no choice.

You know what I'm saying? He called me a bitch. You know what it is in here? That's fighting words. So you go back to the hole for six months? Yeah. Yeah. But you got stripes now.

I regret that shit so much, Johnny. Here's the thing is I got out after six months. And one of the homies instantly comes up to me. And he's like, hey, are you okay? I'm like, I'm ecstatic. I'm out of the hole. He goes, so turns out that dude didn't snitch. Our dude.

ex dude snitched on him and tried to put it on him to take the heat off him. So you just did all that to a good dude for no reason. And I was like, I hate myself, bro. I hate this life. Like, that's what I really was like, I started to question like, why did I do this? You know what I'm saying? I love my homeboys and everything. But bro, I could have saved myself so much drama.

And like, for me, it was never about being safe. You know, I feel like a lot of people join gangs because they're, they're, like, they're tripped out. They want protection. their safety in numbers. For me, it was never about that. You know, I just wanted the camaraderie. And I genuinely liked the people.

Like, some of the homeboys knew Gaelic, and they were teaching me Gaelic. I couldn't remember a lick of that today. But, you know, it was just there was some true camaraderie there. And there still is to this day. Like, every year I get invited to the homie hangout barbecue that they do in Southeast. And, you know, it's a big deal to this day. We all watch each other's backs. But at the time, there was so much drama.

Like we almost got in a war with another one of the white gangs on the yard. It happened at Snake River. But we were narrowly able to stop that happening at OSP. What was it over? So, like, if I remember correctly, because I wasn't at, Snake River. I was at OSP. So I got everything in coded letters. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Where like you really have to code things out. You're writing there's pages upon pages and you're looking at every ninth and 16th letter because nine and 16 are our numbers. So we had codes that we

were using back then. Or they would just try to write it in Gaelic, but the guards started translating that and it was a bust to write things in Gaelic. But from what I understood, there was some sort of a drug debt and two of their dudes jumped one of ours. Okay. Now out at Snake River, we had numbers over them. At OSP, they had the most numbers out of any car. Who were they? It was, it was E.K.

Okay, got you. European kindred. Yeah. So what was the drug traffic like out at Snake? And then what about OSP? Snake was almost non-existent for the most part. That's why it's such a big deal if somebody rips you off, bro. Because Snake River, you're out in the middle of Ontario, Oregon.

There is nothing there. Nobody's getting visits. Nobody. And their visiting room is like sterile, bro. You know what I'm saying? Like OSP's visiting room is like popping. Right. You know what I'm saying?

You could get shit through there. It's an old school-ass place. It don't got video cameras like Snake River does. It's in Salem, which is 45 minutes from Portland, an hour from Eugene. Ontario's like, Ontario's like six hours away. It's on the river. It's on the border with Idaho. Yeah, yeah.

The furthest out in eastern Oregon, you can go. So you want to know what the drug trade was out there? Wellbutrin and Sarahquil. People were doing the chain gang cocaine. You know, you get them, you get them well-bees and you chop them up and snort well-butrin. It's the most disgusting thing ever. Yeah. I tried it once

and I'm like, why do you guys hate yourselves? Yeah. So much cooler being sober than doing this to my nose. Right. And that's from a meth addict. Right, right. So there's like really no drugs out there. You get the OSP, everybody, especially the black guys, dude. They're smoking, they're getting high all day.

All day. And they're like college kids. It's crazy. Yeah. There's meth there. I did meth twice there. How much is meth in at OSP? So I mean, like everything came in 50 or 100 papers.

And like it's kind of a weird undetermined amount. I never sold. I only sold tobacco when I was in there. I had a CEO that would bring me in packs of cigarettes for $50 bills. I had to have cash for her because this was, remember, this is before you could vend. Mo or PayPal or cash app anybody. You know, and I had people that would bring in $50 bills. I would give it to her.

She would slide me a pack of like Paul Mall 100 non-filters. And I would break down a bunch of three-for-fives. You know what I'm saying? Or, you know, three-for-sevons, just depending. And I would make a decent amount of money off of each pack of cigarettes. So if you're getting it for 50 and you're breaking it down each, you can make five cigarettes out of one, no-fifference. filter 100. So I'm pulling in $200, $250 profit off each pack. And it's not like an outside charge

if you get busted. Yeah. It's just a write up. Yeah. That's right. You're going to send me to the hole. Run it, bro. I live in the hole anyway. Right. Every time I go to the hole, you guys put me back on D block where you put all the knuckleheads. That's where I want to be anyway. We're cool with the hole. But I avoided the drugs because I didn't want to add on another three to five years. Of course. If I was going to add on three to five years, it was going to be for a shank. Not for drugs. But like I did a little personal here and there. It's the only place I've ever done heroin. I tried heroin once there. In fact, one of the, um, one of the people from another gang, it was my birthday. Um, and we were supposed to be at war, but we were all good because I got along really well

with these dudes. And we were able to negotiate not bringing that crap over there and losing all our territories, losing all our business on the yard, having a bunch of good ass dudes sitting in the hole for six months or I am you for 18 months on top of it. So he can, he can, and he was like, hey, happy birthday, homie. He slides me a 50 paper and I've never done it, right? And I'm sold up with a dude who's a tattoo artist from another car, iPS. There we go. Oh, boy, tragic, man.

He was super cool. Rest in peace, tragic. That's all coming together. So the heroin, just like the meth, comes on pieces of paper, sheets of paper. Yeah, papers. Yeah. But like. And is that from somebody mailing in a letter with it?

No, no. This is like, it's just wrapped up in paper because we didn't have baggies in there. Okay. So how did it? Was it dark? Like what kind of heroin? It was like tar heroin? It was tar heroin, which is like back then was like Oregon, West Coast heroin was Mexican tar heroin.

Yeah. Yeah, for sure. So did that come in through a balloon, do you think? 100% it came in through a balloon. You know, there was one CEO there that was bringing in whatever anybody wanted. Okay. Tell us about him. So like this dude got a full sleeve tattoo from an inmate over on C Block, bro.

Like a gang member sleeved this dude up with the sick. his sleeve, bro, sickety-six sleeve. I was like, damn, bro, like, it was dark as hell, because the dude brought in the ink. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So he was getting paid.

Oh, yeah, bro. Oh, yeah. He had a brand new Ford pickup truck, like all bounced up on a lift kit and everything. He was getting money. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And there was different gangs had different work with different COs.

Right. Like, I didn't want to dabble with substances that could catch me extra charges, but I had homeboys that were. doing way longer than me. Yeah. That, you know, they, they were working with this, uh, you know, either that CEO or a different CEO and they were bringing in stuff.

And those, those CEOs are so valuable. Like you don't want to, that's, becomes proprietary. It's like this gang, this car has this CEO. They're not sharing him with. I saw, I saw a mix up because the CEO was trying to work with two cars once. And, um, he got, he got kind of fucked up a little bit down, uh, in, uh,

down in sub C. They kind of cornered them and they're like, you're not, you're not doing business with, with that other car. Um, stuff like that happens, bro,

but like, see any COs get taken off on, like beat up or, like this. And it sucks because like, normally a female CO, uh, convicts would make sure that they're safe.

Yeah. At the very least. For sure. But this was an STG gang, uh, sergeant, I believe. I believe she was a sergeant.

Um, and she was like, four foot five. four foot six. And she was going into all these gang members. She just got put on STG. She was going into gang members cells and throwing pictures of their kids on the floor

and in the toilet and raiding their rooms being super disrespectful. And she was told not to by the head of one of these gangs and she instantly threw them in the hole. And she was just on a rampage, bro. And she thought she was bulletproof. So the head. heads from three different cars came together and they're like, what do we do?

And there was this dude that was kind of, he wasn't a chomo. He had hands, but he had done arson. He was an arsonist. He was a firebug. I remember a lot of firebugs in Oregon prisons. Also a white thing. Bro, I've never seen anybody that's not white that was a firebug. But this dude killed, this dude killed a kid.

So like we were, his fire killed a kid. Yeah. Um, so, you know, he was, he was on status. Yeah. He was no better than a chomo because he killed a kid. Right. Um, but they were like, but he actually has hands. He's not one of these pussy little chomo dudes.

So they sent him on her. They walked up to him. They're like, hey, check this out. So, um, you know, we could stab you forever. Every time you get out of the hole, they're like, you know, there's three gangs represented here. There's no prison they're going to put you in. And in the 23 years that you have for your charges to do, you're never going to walk a mainline

and not get stash. unless you go beat the beat the hell out of this female sergeant. Yeah. And he beat the brakes out of her, bro. Like outside hospital. I think she got taken, like she got taken, I think on a life flight from Ontario to Portland

because he beat her so bad. Oh, this was that snake. Oh, yeah. Oh, wow. Oh, yeah. They shut the whole yard down. My first day at Snake, I saw a dude fucking bleed out on the yard, bro.

You got stabbed? Stabbed repeatedly in the armpit. Oh. And there's an artery in the arm. pit. So there's this little gay kid and they were trying to extort him because he was there for like killing both of his parents, right? And

he was very flamboyant. You know, he was super flamboyant. And he was a cool kid and like he wasn't really to be trifled with but they just kept messing with him and this dude and two of his homeboys come up. And you know, dude looks like me. Super built

tattooed. And he's you know in kid's face with the finger telling him he's going to pay him and the kid goes, okay, and he puts his left hand up. And I'm like, that's weird. And the dude shakes his left hand. He wrenches his arm up and start sticking him in the armpit. And there's an artery in there that bleeds out so fast, bro.

And that dude was dead before the medical get him off the yard. And there was like, I remember it because they shut down the yard. We all had to get, you know, when they shut down a yard, you all have to get down on your face. And by the time we were able to, you know, look up and walk back to our units, there's just this trail of blood, bro. Yeah. Like it was it was gnarly. Did they lock you down? Do they lock the whole prison down for that? That was my first time on the yard, bro. I was out on the yard for maybe 15, 20 minutes. That happened like, you know, probably from here to there.

Yeah. From me. And then we went on lockdown. And I was like, yeah. Snake is one of those. Snake and OSP are the places in Oregon where that will happen. Oh, yeah. You know, where it looks like a Cali prison in that way. Snake, like, you weren't going to get through a meal three times a day. You weren't going to get through a meal without seeing somebody fight in the chow hall.

There's always a fight in the child hall. Which is pussy shit, by the way. It is pussy shit. You never do that. It's a, it's a decent move. You never do that at meal time, bro. Because, like, A, there's so many, there's such a concentration of cops there. Because it has the potential to be such a volatile place that, you know, a riot could start there really easily.

But people do it on purpose because there's cops there because they don't want to actually get the licks in. They want somebody to break it up quick. So unless you're just like straight up taking somebody off the yard like yeah, doing a dummy. Yeah, there's been times that we've sent, uh, you know, we've sent torpedoes. Yeah. On people in the chow hall. And, um, you know, you know, it's not going to be any big deal. So everybody's not going to have to leave their lunch people half the time people don't even look up. It happens so much. Right. Right. You know what I'm saying? But if something really big pops off, like, um, you know, there was two Mexican gangs at OSP that went after each other. And, um, it

and it became a real fucking issue. And one of them ended up start cracking it off by he ran up with, he had a bone crusher, homie. You know what a bone crusher is? Of course. So a bone crusher is like one of those long, thick knives.

He ran up and jumped and slammed it into this dude's head. And it cracked off right there. On the yard. No, it dude's table in the chow hall. Oh, shit. And so they emptied everybody out of that thing. And it was like the third exchange.

They kept having us on lockdown, but they block us down for like 24 hours and then take us off and they test it. And that just, they had us on lockdown for like two, three weeks. They were feeding us all of our meals in the cell, like bag lunches. So that was a war between the, yeah. And tell us about, tell us, let's talk about the Latino gangs. Was that Nortano Serrano? So look, man, Nortagnos, I've never seen a Norteno make it past intake in the Oregon system.

I don't know how it is at two rivers because they do have. that segregated thing. And I heard that they were sending some of them out to two rivers. But Serenios run the yards in Oregon prisons, like as far as Hispanic gangs. And us and them run together. The whites and Serenios run together because we have the same-ass politics on stuff. That's right. You know what I'm saying?

So they'll be out there doing burpees on the yard with a bunch of white boys. You know, we'll all be training for war together. Yeah. And, you know, if you go to OSP, You've got the two different sides of the chow hall, the side that they call the white side and the side that they legitimately, they call it the jungle. That's what they call it. And at the very back of the jungle is where the sex offenders have to sit, you know, back by the dish pit. Yeah.

But you'll have, you know, just non-gangued up dudes at the back of the white side. And then you got gang member, gang member, life, or life for, or life, or gang member, gang member, all the way around. And the serenios are right in there. They eat with the white boys. They run with us, bro. And Norteno's like, the CEOs will straight up tell the Serenios like, hey, you got a 14th streeter dude coming. And so they'll be waiting for him in laundry, bro.

And they won't even get dressed down. They'll go to get out of their jumpsuit and all of a sudden out of the shadows are stepping three Serenios trying to make as much of an example out of them as humanly possible. So they can't live together. They can't. They're like two barracuda. They're like two, one of those beta fish. Yeah, they don't even make it to a cell.

most of the time. Oh, boy. You know what I'm saying? If they're documented, they're not making it to a cell. Did you find that surprising that the Serenios run Oregon? It's super weird.

It's weird. It's weird. Northern California, they come up. Most of the real hardcore motherfuckers in Oregon prisons started in California. And usually northern California.

And they migrate north because it's new dope territory or they're running away. It's, you know, it's just a couple hours up I-5, you're in Oregon. Well, anywhere up the I-5 corridor, bro.

Yeah. You know, Californians run business. You know, because it's straight to Mexico. Mexico and Washington. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? But yeah, there was, what surprised me is that the white gangs were so different than California. Yeah.

Because, I mean, I, I mean, Aryan Brotherhood is huge, right? Right. But did I didn't find a big presence of that. I saw one dude, bro. And it turned out that he was like a transplant that was taken. because he rolled on his homies at a prison in California and they put him in Oregon

where they thought he'd be safe and when everybody found out and we had him beat off the fucking yard. We literally did it in the most disrespectful way humanly possible. We had a chomo take him out in the chow hall. We threw a torpedo at him

so he had this little like, hi guys, I'm here to beat you up so you can't be on the yard. You know what I'm saying? Just this ho-nacky-looking dude take him out in the chow hall. I'd have been sick, bro. I'd have been sick. You know what I'm saying?

Like, hey, if you want to take me out, bro, you better send a gang member after me. For sure. If you send a chomo to take me off the yard like that, I'm 100 coming back and stabbing everyone. And I don't care about extra charges, bro. You won't have to kill me before you do that to me. It's like getting beat up by a girl, your first day of school.

So much worse than getting beat up by a girl, bro. I don't mind if girls touch me. When it comes to chomos, bro. Do you remember this guy at OSP? He, you know the Nancy Kerrigan? story, the saga of Nancy Kerrigan. Tanya Harding was from Oregon

or maybe like Southern Washington and she's a piece of Northwest garbage, right? She's from a trailer park. God bless her. But God bless her, right? She's one of ours. So she was in the 92 Olympics figure skating against Nancy Kerrigan who was like the sweetheart, you know, that big

toothy grin, right? She was like America's sweetheart. So a guy came somebody in Tanya Harding's camp came after Nancy Carrigan and like beat her shins in. So she couldn't compete. Do you remember when that happened? Oh yeah. That dude was from Oregon. Really? He ended up going getting locked up for that. He was at OSP. And inmates are so funny about what they choose to like like the justice they choose to take.

They called this guy like no good. Like they put hit they put a jacket on him. it was a crime against a woman. Yeah, or it was like, I guess because it was a crime against a woman. So that's what it would have been. Like, that was the jacket if you committed like an assault against a woman. But it seems like everybody in there has beat up their girlfriend at some point. So how do they, why would that have been a jacket versus I don't make the rules? I've never beat up my girlfriend. But like, I personally like, I know that there's a lot of gangs that like don't look down on domestic violence. I personally do. You're not going to sit at my table. If you're there for beating up women. That's some pussy ass shit. And, and I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, personally. I don't either, but I'm just saying you're in there with a lot of scumbags with a lot of of scumbags. Yeah, who are gang members who we would call good dudes, but come on, bro. Yeah. So and like, um, but I just thought that was funny that like this guy wrote letters home. He thought he was going to die. They would, they would walk by and smack him in the head at the chowel, knock his hat off his head. You know, he really, so I should be laughing about it because he got out. He didn't deserve it. Yeah. I don't know though. You know, he beat a woman's shins.

in bad. He went and he did his time. Yeah. You know, I just think like the, what inmates choose to like carry out vigilante justice on is weird sometimes. The chomo, I totally get the chomo stuff, you know, but it's like, it was interesting. Here's the thing. So like crimes. Did you hear about that guy when you were there or no? I didn't. And I don't know if he got there after I left or whatever because like, no, he would have been there before. You would have been there before. Okay. So like, you know, it's crimes against women, crimes against children, crimes against the elderly, disabled, that type of stuff. Yeah. You know, there's different types of inmates, but a lot of the dudes that I know that are in gangs

and shit, they grew up watching their mom get their ass beat. You know what I'm saying? They grew up watching their mom get tossed around the house and beat on and, you know, whipped with a belt and shit. And they just, they don't put up with that shit. And honestly, if you could get your dick hard for a kid, bro, you don't need to be on the planet. You don't need to be in prison.

You just don't need to be on the planet. Like I don't, I don't think there's any way to rehabilitate you. And you don't, it's, you're not worth the risk because, you know, I don't think that that you can actually solve that problem short of a nine millimeter round, bro. Like those people, if you look at kids and you're like, that that inclination is in you, bro. Like, you're just cooked, bro. So that's why that's there. And like, bro, like beating up on disabled people or the elderly and shit, that's always been. You know what I'm saying?

Like, but a lot of that dates back to like, what were the mafia rules? No women, no children. And that loosely translated very easily into disabled people and the elderly. You know what I'm saying? Like if you, would you be respected in the old mafia days? If you were walking around beating up people with walkers. Right. Of course not.

No, bro. Like a lot of that comes from the old code. There was an old code. You know what I'm saying? No women, no children. Omerta, I got to blast it on my stomach, you know. Could anybody have a jacket where, perhaps there was some gray area, right?

Like a 20-year-old kid was in there for stash rape. Bro, stach is such a messed up beef when you hit somebody that's like young with it. You know what I'm saying? If somebody, if it takes like one or two days for somebody's birthday to define whether or not it's a felony, but most of the time, like, so statutory is not a felony in the state of Oregon, unless there's, like, extenuating circumstances, like a lengthy period of time. I think there's like a three year gap. Like, and there's also the Romeo and Juliet law.

Like Oregon has a Romeo and Juliet law that covers that. Yeah. But stat is like, so if me or you were to be with a 16 year old girl and she was willing, that's where statutory comes in. So I knew a dude who got blasted for like a bunch of statutories. But, you know, he was like 32 and he was with like 15 year old girls. And they were consenting. And that's what statutory was.

And he was all bad, bro. He was all bad on the yard. And he was the singer of a metal band. And he used his place, like his popularity in the metal scene in Eugene to, like, get these young girls to his house. And then he'd give him meth and get him, like, strung out. That's why they consented. Be doing stuff to him. Yeah.

And like, I remember when I walked out on the yard at Snake and he was like, oh, my God, I'm so glad to see you. J.D., I need your help. And I'm like, I don't know you, homie. What are you talking about? Get away from me, dog. Do you remember the most, the wildest thing that ever happened to a chomo while you were down? So, you know, you've been to OSP, you know it has the old school penitentiary doors that are bars and they slam. Yeah.

You know, the COs at the control room, they can open them all and slam them all at the same time. Or you can like shut your door. Yeah. After they open them. I watched a dude watched a chomo get his head slown. get his head slammed in there until the dude was just a puddle, bro, and then dragged out and instantly, orderly already had the mopping bucket because he knew what time it was.

And it was cool because the CEO was actually the one who had told this person, this person, who the Chomo was. Like, you know, that dude down on 13 is no good. And cracked the door. Oh, wow. Yeah.

So, like, that's old school penitentiary shit, where the CEO knows it hits about to have. happen, might even participate in it. The COs will good COs facilitate that shit and look the other way. You know what I'm saying? Because they got, they got three high and three low. So if you're doing something on the bar and they know that you're doing something on the bar,

they go to the other side and go look down the other bar. They have culpable deniability. I had multiple COs that were cool like that. One in particular, she was also the one who was bringing me in my cigarettes. That's wild. So how do you approach? how do you know when a seal is cool enough to approach them to ask if they can bring something in for you? So I mean like, bro, you, you, you never been slick with nobody in your life?

No. I've never been slick with nobody, man. I'm just a stand-up guy. I love you, dog. You're amazing. So like, look, you know, you test the water. You test the water with little things. You know what I'm saying?

If they're going to let you break little rules, they're going to let you break bigger rules. And it's a game of confidence. it's letting them know that you're not an idiot. First off, you're not going to put them on front street. You know what I'm saying? If you do something and somebody gets brutally messed up, you're going to clean up your mess so that it doesn't look super bad on them. You know, dudes that are wide open and they're just smoking weed

and blowing it out on the tear all day and everything, they're not going to trust that, dude. That dude's wide open. That dude's a lieutenant is going to come through and they're going to be blowing it out. They don't even got a jigsmere out. down the hall, they're going to get that, that CEO caught up for being wide open. If they know that you know how to operate, and a lot of the times the CEOs will trust gang members way more than any other inmates because we have accountability.

Yeah. If I'm being wide open and I'm bringing heat down on the block, my own homeboys are going to pull me up, probably put me in violation for it. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, if you're not wide open, if you know how to operate, and then, then you build a rapport with them. And, you know, it's always, you know, hey, look, I need to go in and, you start off with, I need to go in that cell. Um, he has something of mine. I need to get it back.

And you give him the old, you know, a little wink. And you kind of grin like you're grin like. You're a cute guy. Yeah, I need, like, I need to go get my stuff. He's got something of mine. And they know what time it is. You're going in there to beat the dude up and extort him and take all his shit and probably leave him in a puddle.

And if they'll do that for you, then, you know, you're going to take it to that next level the next time. So how did you approach this woman? Like what did you say to her? Exactly like I just did. I was like, hey, I need to go in here and get this. And she's like, you need an intromo cell because you loaned him something and you need to get it back.

And I'm like, you know, she's like, all right, cool. So she let me in there. And then, you know, a couple weeks later, there's a new dude on the tier. She's like, hey, you know, dude in cell 13. I'm like, I ain't seen him yet. She's like, well, you should see what he's here for. I'm like, you want to crack that door for me? and she's like, yeah, she waits until I get down in front of his cell and cracks his door.

So I got the element of surprise. I go in there and I told his cellie, stay on your fucking bunk. You know what I'm saying? And I go in there and I'm like, your paperwork now. And he gives me his paperwork. It's all bad, bro. You know what I'm saying? Like he's tried to scribble over his charges with a pencil.

You know when they've tried to alter their paperwork? They're on some super fucked up shit. And so, you know, I smashed him around the cell a little bit and took everything that he, he had. His cellie tried to stand up at one point and I was like, sit down. And his cellie sat down. His cellie wasn't a bad dude, but it's a bad look living with the chomo.

You're not allowed to do that. Now, when you do that and you come out, you know, with a whole bag full of canteen or whatever his possessions are, are you not worried about the camera hitting you at the very end of the. OSP didn't have cameras at that point. No cameras. OSP didn't have cameras until 2009.

I believe. You're kidding me. They must have had a few cameras. I mean, they had cameras, but they didn't work, dog. Like, we all knew they didn't work. The control room, the control room floor wasn't, couldn't see. Either they didn't work or they didn't care. Like, we weren't worried about too much stuff with that.

Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, it just, those cameras were bitter. I heard that they, in 2009, I heard they got better camera systems. Yeah. Installed. And now I heard they have cameras literally everywhere. Yeah.

But that whole place has changed. They have Zen gardens there now. Right. Like, they have, over by where the mini golf course is that the lifers built, they've got a Zen garden there now. Like, we didn't have no fancy shit like that. That's probably a good thing, though, right?

I think it's an incredibly good thing. I think that having a more humane and more rehabilitative type of a system can be really good for certain types of inmates. I think there's certain types of inmates that it just is never, ever going to work for. Who can't be rehabilitated? Yeah, you know what I'm saying? And like, I think California is rebuttal. I think they're reaping the carnage of trying to put the wrong types of inmates into a rehabilitative situation.

You know, CDOC just went from, you know, California Department of Corrections to Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation. And now they've got prisony land and they've got like- You're not an inmate. You're an incarcerated person. Yeah, you're an incarcerated individual. Right. Okay, cool. I'm going to stab you in the face and say that to me.

You know what I'm saying? Did you meet any of, when you were down, did you meet, Besides the Chomo's putting those aside, did you meet any like incorrigible individuals, just gangsters that weren't going to change? Oh. Oh, yeah, bro. Oh, yeah. Like, okay, like, so like look at like, look at grim, bro. Did you meet grim when you were at OSP?

No. He had grim tattooed. I think above one of his eyebrows, dude. Long-haired. He looked like a native or Hispanic cat, but he ran with the whites. Ain't nobody going to say shit to him about it. He'd stab you before he'd look at you, bro. he was he's a hardcore dude and he got out after doing like i think like i think he did like 15 18 years

he got out and he got caught in southeast portland uh because he literally dragged some dude into his his auto body shop and burned him up with the torch and beat him uh with a pipe and i think he stabbed him a couple times then he threw him through a plate glass window dead into traffic and the cops got called and then they found all this other shit on him and uh he He went back with like the forever sentence, bro. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? There's dudes like that.

Yeah. It's almost like they want to get caught. But here's the thing is like sitting down at a table with him, he's a very respectful dude. You know what I'm saying? Like I could sit and chop it up with him the same way that I sit and chop it up with you. But, you know, this dude crossed him. Yeah.

People can flip. Yeah. You never know what's like lurking inside of somebody, bro. You know what I'm saying? For all I know, you could be a gnarly ass serial killer who's just really good at it and get away with it. People talk to people who have shit that lives inside of them all the time and they don't know. That's why you've got these traumas that infiltrate schools and churches and people are like the government old Gary would never do this. Joe Biden would never sniff a kid, you know? Yeah,

the CIA, Jeffrey Epstein. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like you never really can tell who you're talking to. Um, and what they might be capable of under the right circumstance. There's always the right circumstance. When you were, you were, you, So you get out of the hole at Snake River for the second shot, the six month shot for just beating up the dude again. That was actually at OSP. Oh, okay. Gotcha. Is that, that's the last big prison you were at?

OSP? Yeah. Yeah. So I had that lieutenant come to me and tell me delay, like, you're smarter than the way that you're behaving and you're wrapped up in this shit that like, you're short time. Why aren't you at a minimum? And I'm like, because you might send me all the way. out to the other side of the state. I can get visits here. Right. And she's like, well, what if I let you pick what minimum you want to go to? And I was like, I want to go to OSPM where they

have a drug treatment program because I want to get out a little bit better than I came in. And so far, I've just fucked myself up a lot more. Like, I am a way worse human being. Right. Than I was when I came in here. Like, I'm a monster now. And she's like, yeah, but you don't have to be. And she's like, I'll make you a deal. I'll send you there if you give me six months clear conduct. And like, so I just kind of amended my activities. a little bit. You know what I'm saying? Can you go when you're clicked up with a car or a gang and you want to get class down to minimum? Can you go to whoever's running the car and say, hey, I can't really put in work.

Well, I'm trying to get out. I had the keys. But here's the thing. How did you get the keys? How did you become the shock car? Okay. So look, here's the thing. I'm going to tell this story.

And I don't think that I've ever told this story before. So we had a dude when I got there, we had a dude named Carolina. who had the keys. And he was from Carolina. And he was, you know, an Irish dude that he'd been down for a long time. And he had the keys. And a dude that I knew from Kindred, E.K. showed up. And I really liked this dude.

I still really like this dude. But he showed up on the yard. And instant, like, I had no idea how much respect this dude had anytime he walked into a prison yard. And he walked up to Carolina in the chow hall and called Carolina. a punk-ass bitch and said, you ain't going to do nothing, punk, sit down, look at your fucking shoes

when I talk to you. Don't look at me. You don't got no business looking at me. Look at the ground. And Carolina didn't do nothing. Oh. In the middle of the child hall in front of people. That's called getting punked out, folks.

All the way out. And he's got our keys. And so, like, we, that happened at breakfast. And I had, I had yard. And I went out to yard. And we were all,

we all huddled. And like, I'm like, hey look we got to take Carolina off he has to be off mainline by lunch or we all look like punks bro like we we handle this now and effectively and and we do it like making a statement and uh somebody was like well what if we throw a torpedo no this is personal this is dead ass personal and uh i had a home boy ivan who was like i want this you know he was a prospect he was like i want this i want bones on this and i'm like bones up bro bones up going there and get it and uh so he

I was sitting right across from Carolina when Ivan walks up behind him and just starts taking flight on him, bro. He mopped him across three tables, bro. Like literally dudes lost their lunches. Dudes are jumping up out of the way. He's dragging him to the table, throwing him on the table and just beating him, bro. It was gnarly, bro.

Ivan's a big boy. I like Ivan. He's the homie. And he beat him up bad. And, you know, Carolina, I don't think Carolina ever came out, bro. like, I don't know, like they sent him to two rivers or they sent him somewhere else. He definitely never touched back down at OSP. So you ran him off the yard and are you two, are you second in line and therefore you step up and take it?

Yeah, I mean, there was a dude that probably should have come before me, but he was like, dude, I'm not trying to do it. And I was like, I'm really not trying to do it either. Like, I don't want to be like, because who wants to tell their homeboy somebody they genuinely care about, bro? That like, like, okay, you got to go run a mission. You know what I'm saying? You got to go, you got like what happened to Ivan? I haven't stepped up. What if nobody steps up?

Do I want to tell somebody that I genuinely care about that they got to go risk getting extra time, going to the hole, maybe going to IMU for 18 months, not getting visits with their kids and shit like that, bro. I don't want that. But you know what I'm saying? Like so the way that I did it was, you know,

we just put everything to a vote. I brought it to the table. And I feel like that's the way any of this shit should go, bro. I don't believe in dictatorships. when it comes to organizations. They're all grown-ass men. Who am I to tell a grown-ass man what to do? That's why when I did the interview with Ian,

and he said, so you were a shot caller, I was like, I don't like that. I don't like that terminology. Don't use that terminology. And I spoke out very adamantly about, you know, that's not what it is. And then he named the episode, J.D. DeLay.

Prison gang, shot caller. Yeah. I was just going to say, hey, I'm sorry you don't like that term because guess what the fucking title's going to be. Yo, and he did that though, but like, I mean, now it's at a half million views, which at the time he, he didn't have views like that. And it blew his channel up. So he knew what he was doing. Also, he wouldn't let me wear a shirt.

Yeah. Yeah, we wanted to cover your nipples up. I like that you let me wear a shirt because my nipples are offensive. I do understand that. You must have silver dollars underneath that shirt right there. Oh, no. I mean, it's just, you know. Oh, that's a nice cute nipple.

Yeah, bro. That's a hairless, good looking nipple. They're just long, bro. They're just long. If these were on a woman, these wouldn't be a problem. You got like hot 40-year-old woman nipples. I do, bro. I do.

Damn. You know what I'm saying? Like, if I wanted to make an O-F where I was pegging dudes with my nipples, I would make millions. I swear to God. Big Herc hit me up. It's Big Herc into OnlyFans now? No, I don't know, bro.

I just, I know that like Big Herc had all that, that porn stuff that he was doing for a long time. Oh, yeah. That was old school. I was before his charge. Yeah. He was doing like 90s porn. Yeah. Where black guys were still wearing Timberlands.

fucking, you know what I mean? Yeah. I have a friend who's real broke right now and he keeps complaining about being broke. So I wanted to send him Big Hurks how to bust into the porn industry, the porn game book, but they only sell it on Kindle on Amazon. So, but I did see that they had like one of his romance fuck novels that he wrote. Oh, wow. So I sent that to him. Uh, because, you know, he was, he, uh, he, he, he isn't going to like it. And his girlfriend ended up opening it up, which I thought was amazing. Your friend doesn't sound very smart. How to, how do I get into porn? look straight to that camera and start fucking. Yeah, just dropped your knees and play the flute, you know. So you took the keys. So they voted you in to become the shot caller. Yeah.

So how long were you in that rank for? And what did you have to do? And then. So, you know, I brought everything to the table and I would present, you know, here's our options,

you guys. You know what I'm saying? On whatever situation it is. And, and I would, putting on a lot of prospects. You know what I'm saying? And, um, but I also had this in my mind that I wanted to do this drug treatment.

And I wasn't going to, I wasn't going to betray my homies by not handling business to do it. Um, if I needed to go to the hole, I was going to go to the hole. I, you know, I didn't give this woman my word that I was going to stay out of trouble. I just said, you know, I'll, I'll try. Yeah. Um, and so, you know, anytime anything came up, I think I only had to put in work one more time after that actually one of my one of my prospects uh got out of pocket um you know how you you i think that people think that that people are walking around prison yards throwing gangs or uh racial slurs at

each other no and that does not happen that's how you get a race war on the yard of course and one of my homeboys was i think playing basketball with uh some some dudes that were uh that were black and he said some racial shit to one of them uh because it got heated you know the basketball court gets. And they knew he was in my gang and they were in a gang. So the shot caller from their gang comes up to me and goes, hey, your home boy said this to my dudes.

And that can't fly, bro. And so I went to him and I'm like, is this accurate? Did you say this? And he's like, yeah, I said that shit.

And so, you know, I went back to dude and I'm like, you know, I'll handle it. Because we handle things internally. Yeah. That's how it's,

if one of your homeboys is out of pocket, you're going to handle. handle it. If that other gang would have jumped it, it could have been a race war, it could have been a gang war. That's bad for business. Yeah. We got, we got, you know, poker tables, pinnuckle tables, extortion. We got substances that we're selling. We got territory, you know, whether it be tables or phones or whatever. I mean, in prison, it's stupid shit. You know what I'm saying? People will literally stab you over a table in prison. But, you know, I took it to the table and I'm like, look, so homeboy screwed up and he's in violation.

He's my cellie. I vote that we just let me take him in the cell and me and him get him up and we'll clean it up that way. And they're like, yeah, yeah, we're all good with that. You know what I'm saying? But we put it to a vote. So that's an example of how it would happen. So then you just went and beat his ass in the cell or you guys had a straight up fade or what?

So look, man, I never will expect a grown man to let me beat him up. I never, bro, especially a homeboy. You know what I'm saying? I have so much respect for this dude because, like, he's tall, but like, I got size on him. Sure. You know what I'm saying? Um, and he, he got a couple in on me and I got, I landed about two or three on him. He was marked up, bro.

He was marked up. Like, which is what needed to happen. So then you basically parade him around the black guys that he insulted showing. I'm parading shit, dog. But, but they, they could see him. But that's what I mean, though. Like, yeah. they could see that you had handled it.

Yeah. The disrespect. Yeah. They just had to see that somebody got mucked up for it. Now, he could have all the way beat my ass. And we still could have potentially called it squashed because something happened. But it gets more complicated than, you know what I'm saying? It just depends on how offended they were.

What he said wasn't like super out of pocket. He wasn't like dropping like falling end bombs. But it was it was bad. It was shit that you don't say, bro. Like I, and, you know, even in prison, there's, I think prison is a more, there's more people that are racist in prison, but there's much more defined consequences for saying racially insensitive shit in there. Totally.

And I think people just mistake that. There might be dudes walking around with swastikas tattooed all over their face, but they are not dropping racial slurs. Not at all. They're being polite. Yeah, being polite. And whoever, everybody is very polite until they're not. Like with, with other gangs.

of different races. It's phone time or using the phone. Go ahead. It's always asking before you take or do something or go somewhere. Yeah. At least on the West Coast, you know what I'm saying? Like when you get locked up out in Florida,

out here on the West Coast, at least in Oregon, whites are the majority. Yeah. Just because of the population. Right. If you go out to Florida, it's not a white majority out there, bro.

It's not a white majority. You know, and I've been... Multnomah County, MCDC, I've been on a unit where I was one of two white dudes. And my, my cellie was the white dude. And he had been in a high speed chase where he had gotten ejected from the car and broke both of his legs. And he was on crutches. So like, I'd have to go get his food and bring it in for him.

I wasn't there for very long like this. I went out to go to the little where they keep the books to pick out a book. And this dude is on my nuts, bro. And he's calling me a cracker and this and that. And I'm like, I'm not used to dudes calling me right, like white racial slurs. Like first off, I'm pink with red polka dots dog. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, read it, bro.

You know what I'm saying? But he's calling me, Nate. He's getting weird at me. And I'm like, bro, like, check this out. Like, I'm Irish. My people were indentured servants. They threw potatoes and rocks at us when we came off the boats. You know what I'm saying?

Like, I don't know if you got me mixed up with some skinhead or some shit, bro. But like, I got hair everywhere, bro. And this dude wouldn't stop. So I just blasted him in the face, bro. I hit him in the temple right here. And his eyeball popped out of socket. And I've never seen no shit like that, bro. Like I know that it's happened to other people.

But it was the first time I'd ever seen that. And I'd gotten him. And I was coming in with another one. And I saw as I come out of socket and I heard him scream. And I just kind of pulled back. And it ended up punching him in the neck instead because I, like, tried to pull back and not like hit him in the eye where it was popped out. And that was in the day room at MCDC. Yeah, yeah.

Wow. So I went straight back to myself. I didn't know what to do, bro. Like I just saw some shit out of a horror movie. So I went straight back to my cell and I closed the door. And we're, there's two white dudes on this unit. You know what I'm saying?

There's some Hispanic dudes, but it's mainly black dudes. And these dudes are coming up to the cell and, and they're talking crazy. You know what I'm saying? So we're waiting for the doors to pop. And he, he's like, my celly, I'm like, hey, just stay behind me and I'll deal with it.

And he's like, no, bro, no, we riding out. And I'm like, bro, you are on two broken legs. There's one and a half of you. He's like, that doesn't mean I'm not tough. So we took, they had given them crutches. We took the aluminum crutches. We took the little plastic, the rubber stoppers off the bottom. So, you know, it wasn't a sharp edge or anything, but we had a little some, something there.

And we were both posted up. We were ready. When they, if they came through the door, when it opened, we were going to start stabbing them in the face. And we posted up waiting. And all of a sudden, the door opened. and I'm lurched, I'm ready to go. And I hear the CEO go, delay, roll it up. You're going home.

And I'm like, I'm like, sorry, homie. He's like, why are you sorry? They're not going to mess with me now. He's like, we just got saved. So hold on. What happened to the guy's eye? Do you have to go to the emergency room? I have no idea.

You pop the guy's eye out and then you got to go home. Yeah, I ended up getting to go home. Yeah, they never ruled me up for that at all whatsoever. I don't know if he got it back into socket. I don't know what happened. You know what I'm saying? So you saw, did you see the connecting. cord, whatever,

hanging, bro, like hanging. It wasn't like all the way out, like, you know what I'm saying? But it was hanging. Maybe that's happened before. Maybe it's like Mel Gibson, a lethal weapon too. He could just pop his shoulder here out of place. I met a dude at Snake River that could pop his eye out and he would do it to fuck with people. It's like taking out your dentures. Yeah, it could have been like that. Oh, God. Dude, dude's taking out their dentures in prison. It's crazy, bro. Dude, how many dentures are in prison? More than in like an old

folks home. So many crazy. out to dentures, bro. Like, have you ever, did you get any, did you get the blessing of getting any dental care while you were in prison? No, I did not. Our only truth I'm missing in my head. Totally savable. I just needed like the weensiest little root canal. You know what I'm saying? And I went in there and they're like, cool. So it's super infected. And we can pull it out of your head. I'm like, aren't you supposed to like kill the infection first? Shouldn't I get like a round of antibiotics? And they're like, no, we'll just pull it right now and charge you $100. And I'm like, okay, like what type of, um, what type of numbing agents can I expect?

They're like, what? I'm like, well, this shit hurts really bad. So do whatever you got to do, right? And so the dentist at OSP, I don't know if you're aware of this, but he like lost his license to do dentistry on the streets. Oh, you don't say. Yeah. Prison was the only place he could get hired because he was putting girls under and doing

weird shit to them while they were under. Yeah, he was a pee-p-toucher, bro. bro. Oregon is so many sketchy people. So many, dog. I mean, look, I guess everywhere you go. And where you find those sketchy people is incarceration, is in prison. Yeah. And everything that's involved with it, the jail, the guards, the people who work there.

I mean, it's such a dark place. I feel worse for many of the people that work in prisons than I do the actual inmates. Like, these motherfuckers get to go home a lot of them. Here's what I would tell, here's what I would tell most people. Because, bro, like the vast majority of people, people need to understand. The vast majority of people are coming back out into the streets. They're going to be your neighbors. They're going to be, you know, they might be the homeless people that are living under the bridges.

Or they might be your neighbor who's posted up next to you or, you know, living right outside where your kid catches the bus for school. We should try to make these people, give these people the opportunity to succeed and become better people. Instead of just warehousing them and then just throwing them back on the streets. I don't know what they gave you when you released. They gave me a check for $50 and a bus ticket. And that was all that they gave me. Where did you release out of? I released out of Santiam.

San Diem. I spent one night there. Because I went from OSP to OSPM to try to do the drug treatment program. So you made it through your six months as a shock caller, but somebody who's like, hey, I need to get out of here. Yeah. So like I didn't even burden my people with that bullshit, bro. You know what I'm saying?

Like my cellie knew what time it was and he was the prospect that I had to clean up the violation with. You know, he knew what time it was. But like, I wasn't going to burden them with that bullshit. I wasn't going to tell them I need to try to be good. No, of course. But six months later to the day that lieutenant walked up to the cell and was like, you know how many people I've offered that same deal to and not you're the first one who's actually been able to do it. Yeah. And I was like, all right, cool.

She's like, pack your shit up. You're going to OSPM. Yeah. They sent me to OSPM, which did you ever get there? No, but I heard about it. It's a nicest place to do time, bro. You have a key to your own cell. Oh, wow.

You know what I'm saying? Like, you got wood doors. Uh, they have Miss Pac-Man pool table. They have a great weight pile because it used to be the women's prison. Ah. Uh, and it was a women's maximum until Diane Downs. Remember Diane Downs who killed her kids? Oh, no, I remember.

She was there and she escaped. And so they were like, this isn't maximum security enough for maximum security. Right. Then they started building Coffee Creek. So, you know, they used to have just OSP and OSPM. And so when they made it a minimum for dudes, it went from a maximum for women to a minimum for dudes. And it's still the nicest minimum in the state for dudes. I mean, it sounds like college.

Bro, like I'm saying, like they got like exercise bikes and all this stuff left over from the women. The Miss Pac-Man machine. That's crazy. They had a popcorn machine. That's like some shit out of the feds. You don't see that in the state. Yeah, no, you don't get treated like that anywhere else. but also they were working,

they had the drug treatment program and then they had people that worked at the hospital doing the law. The mental hospital. Right. No, the mental hospital people were, I forget if it was out of San Am or Mill Creek.

I did that shift for like a couple weeks. The OSH shift. Oh, I heard that's a nightmare. Oh, dude, it's terrible there. Like you see people like chewing on dog toys. Well,

so like when I was there, they weren't letting anybody out of the, just the kitchen because I guess they had had some inmates that had, they had some assaultive problems. with inmates and patients. So they weren't letting anyone out of just the kitchen. But just the kitchen, bro, like it was, it's a creepy-ass place.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And we had home, it was cool because it was really easy to get somebody to just come up and hand you a big package. Right. And then you could keister some shit back into the institution. And I had a homeboy that was getting bush visits. You know what I'm saying?

There was like, he had a way out the shipping where they would bring in all the shipments to the kitchen. And there are some bushes right over there. and he would have like he had this big girl that he would just pound out in the bushes. It's always a big girl. It's always a big girl. Who else would do a bush visit? One other nice, normal girl with romantic prospects would go fucking inmate in the bushes.

It's always a big girl, bro. Like I've seen a lot of people's bush visits and it's 100% facts, bro. Yeah. Even if it's a black guy, it could be a black panther. If he's getting a bush visit, it's a fat white bitch. Oh, yeah. No, yeah. And I've only seen it.

I've only seen it be. Well, no, I did see one Hispanic chick that showed up for one of the Southsiders. But she was a big girl, too. Of course. But, you know, so the hospital was terrible. But they actually had, like, I think it was like an Aramark where they do all the laundry for a hospital. I think it was an Aramark factory where they had people at OSPM go to. And those dudes would find all sorts of shit in the laundry.

Right. You know what I'm saying? That's how half of the needles at OSP. would get into OSP because they would find needles all the time and dudes would like hoop them in the ass before they'd go back to OSP because you could get $50

for a syringe. Of course. And then the tier's going to use that and share that until like literally it runs because you know, once the needle doles they take it on the pavement on the cell floor and they sharpen it back up with the cement.

And you can, people would use that like I saw a dude literally take a chicken bone and hollow out the marrow and use the tape, the sticker from deodorant and tape it on there after the needle was gone from it and tape a chicken bone on there and try to hit with that. So everybody's,

everybody's either using it for tattoos or shooting up. No, no, just shooting up, bro. You just use guitar strings for tattoos. Right. Did you get tattooed in there? I got tattooed in there a lot. Yeah, bro. Like I got, how much of that cost? My home boy Matt Ashton did this whole leg.

This is the only prison ink that I, have that I haven't covered up. Not like covered up, but gotten redone on the streets to darken it up and shit. Like I got a lot of this shit done when I was in there, but I've had it gone over because I wanted it to be darker. Did you get tested for Hep C when you got out and all that good stuff? HIV and HIV and all that shit. And I don't, you got to imagine those cats a whole cell block sharing a needle. They've got to be passing around.

Dog, they are passing the shit around. And that's what they were using as weapons when I left OSP was people would get like, like an old syringe and they would have somebody who had HIV fill it up with blood and they would run up on somebody and you know what I'm saying like my little whole boy cotton bro he wasn't he wasn't in Irish pride or anything but um cotton was like a good dude and he ran with us he was like a hang around you know what I'm saying like he came in at like maybe 18 he you know what I'm saying and like um he was a youngster and he had a heart and I liked him but he went and uh he he really liked smoking weed as a lot of little youngsters do

And he got into debt with some black dudes. And I think it was like $32 or $36. Forget the exact amount. And they were going to stab him with an AIDS needle. They had an AIDS needle. They were showing it to people telling people, we're going to stab cotton with this. We're going to give him AIDS for that $36.

And I went up to him and I'm like, hey, check it out. Look, I'm going to squash his debt with you guys. I'm going to pay you whatever he owes you. Don't ever do business with him again. If you ever do business with him again, we're going to wreck you. My whole crew is going to wreck you. Like, I threw weight on that, bro. I don't like to throw weight.

as far as the gang thing around unless it was absolutely necessary. Yeah. You're talking about giving an 18, 19 year old kid AIDS over $36. Fuck you in your whole fucking bloodline, bro. You know what I'm saying? Like it, that's wild. It blew my mind. Yeah.

And I was like, yeah, that's not happening. The cruelty of that. But it's scary, though. But there were other dudes that were absolutely getting stuck with AIDS needles. You know what I'm saying? Like one dude, I remember in the canteen line, one dude, because, you know, when you're out on the yard for canteen and it's just a big group of people. Yeah.

Everybody's standing around. I remember one dude screaming and going, what was that? What was that? And somebody had just stuck them, pushed some blood into them. Fuck. Yeah.

Yeah. And you could do that. And like the COs, nobody even notices. Nobody notices. Nobody notices. In fact, when he started going,

what was that? What was that? A bunch of people were like, why are you yelling, bro? Why are you telling? Yeah. You know,

you snitching right now just by yelling because you're in page. You know what I'm saying? And it really is like that in there. God damn. So you were having to, happy to get out of there. Or did you,

did you party you say, damn this, because it is a good place to bid. Like it was my favorite place that I did time like overall. And like, so I really liked OSPM, but like it was always like the cops were really petty. And they felt like they were holding something over you.

Like we'll send you back to OSP. Every single time they said that I said, run that shit dog. Cuff me up right now. Take me back there. Like I don't even need to go back to my cell and put anything in my ass, bro. Take me back to OSP right now.

How long did you do at OSP max or minimum? OSP minimum? I was only there for like, I made it through four months of the drug program out of the six months. And they kicked me out because we found out one of the dudes in the drug program was a kiddie diddler. He was a, you know, a playground commando, bro. He was a kindergarten diaper sniper.

My favorite one. So this dude, you know, we cornered him in the laundry room because they actually let you do your own laundry there. We cornered him in the laundry room. And, you know, we told him, you know, you cannot fucking be anywhere around us. We don't want you near us. You know, we don't, we don't mess with you no more. And like one dude was really pissed off because he had been kicking it tough with the dude.

And the dude didn't tell him, you know, that he was a pee-p-toucher. Yeah. And so it all came out in group the next day. And like, they were like, who all partook in this? And everybody, you know, raised their hand. And I didn't. but I had and they were like so who saw him say this to him because the dude threatened him and the dude got really scared just oh my friend threatened me because he found out that I like kids

um and I didn't raise my hand at all and they ended up kicking me out for that because you wouldn't snitch because like bro like I'm willing to take accountability for my own actions and stand up for my own stuff and all of that but when it comes down to like chomos bro those aren't people and I don't got nothing for them and I'm definitely not going to snitch to get time off. Yeah, because how much time would you have saved anyways? It doesn't even matter, bro.

It doesn't even matter. Like, I mean, six, eight months. Yeah. But if I really wanted to get, if I really was willing to be a snitch, bro, I didn't have to go to prison in the first place. You know what I'm saying?

I could have figured it out at the very beginning of my sentence. You ain't going to break me when I'm down to, you know, my last, you know, 10 months, bro. Eat a bag of them. So where did you go after that?

So they, when you're not in the drug program, you can't be at OSPM anymore. unless you're working at the hospital. And so they sent me directly to San E.M. Which is a good place, a good minimum. Good minimum. It was a decent minimum. I went there.

And so one of my homeboys, rest in peace, Lloyd Frock, you know, he was Irish pride. And he had been on the yard at OSP. And he ran up a gambling debt and got shipped out. And so, you know, when somebody's in your gang and they leave with the debt, you're their insurance. and I felt like he had run up like a hell of big debt knowing that he was going to leave because he knew he was going to leave any day. So when I got to San E.m.,

I said some sideways stuff to him, you know what I'm saying? And it's not that I was wrong. I paid dude's debt, but I was disrespectful about it. And this dude, you know, I'm much bigger than this dude. He hit me harder than anyone's ever hit me in my life, bro. Just right off rip. Just rocked you. I didn't even get the words out of my dick sucker.

And he fucking, he bled in. to me, bro. Like, I almost went out. It's the closest I've ever been to being knocked out in my entire life, dog. Wow. He puts you on your pockets? No, bro. He, like, I was, I was on, my knees, like, like this for a second. And then he started coming in for more. And I caught myself, and we went rounds. Um, you know how they've got, you know, the bunks at the back. We went for a full round, a round. Like, it was a good two minute fight. Yeah. People think that fights, uh, people who've never fought, think that fights last for more than a couple minutes. A good fight last. like two minutes is a good amount of time to be fighting then you're both winded and like at the end of it

we're like we're both hands on our knees yeah you know gassed out dog and he's like you done I'm like yeah you done and he's like yeah and I'm like all right cool and you know it was respect and he caught a black eye but I my whole face was lumped dog like you ever been hit so hard that like blood is seeping through the pores of your face like instantly like he got me like that with that first one. And, like, my whole face turned purple. Like, I don't bruise easily. I could get hit by a car and not bruise.

So I was laying on my bunk. Trying to avoid the COs. Yeah, holding a book up like this so they wouldn't see me. And a CEO came up, like, it took a couple hours to swell and darken and only got worse. And a CEO came up and they're like, um, yeah, about that. And so the, the sergeant called me and frock down at the same time. right? And he's like, so it's funny that you two are in the same gang and I'm like allegedly because I never let them, you know, they labeled me, but I never gave him any, you know,

confirmation. And he's like, and you, you just showed up here and both of you seem to have really fucked up faces. And I was like, you know, I went out on the basketball court and caught an elbow to the face. And he's like, and what about you, frock? And he's like, same. He's like, He's like, so that's really the story you're going to run with. And we're like, yep. And, you know, he knew. He's not stupid. He knew exactly what time it was.

He's like, so are we done having basketball accidents? And we were like, yeah, everything should be good. I'm going to just stay off the basketball court. I apparently can't jump. And so we ended up getting away with that. He stayed solid. I stayed solid. You know, it was mad decent.

He definitely got the better of me. But I did snicker the next day a little bit when he got called to a visit. and I knew it was this girl because, like, he definitely had a black eye. I called home immediately and I'm like, yeah,

nobody come visit me for like a month. You know what I'm saying? How long did you do at San Diem? I was at San Diem. for like a month until they shipped me to Mill Creek. So you went to Mill Creek.

Mill Creek is insane, bro, because they don't have a fence. Yeah. Oh, that's what I was thinking of. When we were talking about Warner Creek earlier, I met Mill Creek.

Yeah, Mill Creek is great because they don't have a fence. And the CEOs have been there forever. Like they're not petty. Yeah. They're really not dumb. Like the good COs, uh, for minimum all made it there because it's like one of the nicer places to work at. I just went to a haunted house there on Halloween, uh, this last year because they shut it down and they were going to turn it into an apartment

complex. And then they found out that there is an Indian burial ground on it. So they can't, uh, develop anything there because now it's like, it's in litigation. Um, and they don't want them building over an Indian burial ground. Um, so they just have this prison. and it's abandoned that they shut down that they can't do anything with. So they're renting it out for parties and events. Oh, interesting. Yeah, I really want to rent it out for like some YouTube content.

Yeah, dude, literally we should talk about that. Yeah. And, you know, maybe get maybe get a couple other people in there for that. It's also certified haunted. I don't know if you know that. No. They've had paranormal experts certified it as being haunted. Not only is it built on an Indian burial ground,

but there was a boys school there, like a boys boarding school. and like multiple kids died on that property. And so there's like supposed to be spirits. I never seen nothing. Probably got diaper sniped. Let's be honest. Back in the day? I never seen nothing when I was there.

Like the worst thing that happened to me when I was there, I did to myself, you know, smuggling. So where did you go from Mill? How did you actually, how did you end up paroling? And how much time did you do?

Did you do your full stretch? So I did day for day, three nine months. Like I did every single day of my sentence. I had good time and earned time, and I threw every piece of that away. Because I was dumb. I went about it wrong. But I ended up getting wrapped up out of Mill Creek for an investigation for attempting to incite a riot at Mill Creek at the smallest and most minimum custody security in the state.

And they shipped me back to San Am and I graduated from San E.M. Corolled out of there. Yeah. And I was still under investigation. And then the CEO who let me out told me, you'll be right back. And when you do, we're going to, we're going to take you straight to the hole since you're under investigation. I'm sure the investigation will be up by then. And, you know, we're going to leave a light on for you delay. And I was like, eat a bag of funky discolored dicks, bro. And like, I haven't been back. So I got out in 2010. I came really close, but I evaded to Florida. Right. We'll talk about that on the Patreon. But I just want to say, dude, your content is so entertaining. You pop up on my YouTube shorts feed more than anybody. more than Tucker Carlson, more than anybody else that's in that feed. It's JD Delay.

So please plug away, man. Go if you don't know about them already, which many of my fans already, I'm sure, love you. Plug. Plug what you got. So JD Delay on YouTube, the TikTok, I have JD Delay 5150 and JD Delay 1017 because TikTok likes to ban me. And I keep winning and getting my accounts back, but sometimes I talk about killing Jomo's. And they like to ban.

me for indeterminate amounts of time. I've had multiple accounts banned and I got my 1.1 million account band just recently for a month and I like cyber harassed and stalked them to the point where they gave me my account back. I'm also on Facebook, JD Delay. Basically everything's JD Delay.

Spotify. If you want to check out my music, I'm on Spotify. Oh, nice. Yeah. I have the Woodchipper Anthem, which is about throwing Chomo's into woodchippers. It's a family song. Let's do it with your kids. You've built an entire brand around this. It's so funny, dude.

You know, it was a part of my story as a kid and everything. So it did definitely send my life down a determined path. Right. To a certain extent. Great merch too. Yeah. Convictclothing.net. If you want to check out any of my merch, I have a clothing line.

We do some hats. We do some shirts. Some of them are not super social media friendly. But we are starting to close those out. I've always been a big fan of limited runs. So that people can have stuff that's unique. Yep. and everybody's not wearing the same thing.

And we're just right at the tail end of closing out all our old stuff and bringing in a new line of my merch. So that's convictclothing.net. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. What a great time we had, huh? Oh, bro. I love it.

I love it. Let's do this again. Let's go make some prison content, dude. We should rent a prison. Yeah, I'm trying to do that to film my stand-up comedy special. Oh, dude. How bang would that be amazing? That would be amazing.

I hit up the OS Oregon prison system and they weren't fucking with me. So that was last year. They don't want to let me in. they think I'm going to make a mockery of them, which is like, obviously. Yeah, right. But now that I know that Mill Creek is closed, shit, that could be a lead, you know. Mill Creek is closed.

And, you know, if we wanted to rent it out and do a multi-purpose thing, bro, we can go havesies on it. That'd be amazing. I'd love that. Let's talk, bro. Let's talk. J.D., you killed it, bro. This was so fun. Thank you for having me, brother.

Appreciate it. And switch over to Patreon for more content with JD. Patreon.com slash the Connect show. Thanks very much, everyone. Big shout out to Brian. Yes, sir.