The Connect- with Johnny Mitchell - Secrets Of A Caribbean DRUG SMUGGLER: How A Florida Fisherman Imported TONS Of Colombian Cocaine

Episode Date: April 6, 2025

Former drug trafficker Jason Votrobek shares his wild journey from moving ounces as a teenager to smuggling 100-kilo shipments of cocaine and running a multi-million-dollar Oxycontin empire in South Florida. From working with Mexican and Colombian cartels to near-death encounters, undercover drops, high-seas smuggling tactics, and ultimately getting busted and serving time in prison—Jason breaks down the game like no one else. His story is raw, unfiltered, and packed with real-life lessons from inside the drug world. Go Follow Jason! TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@UC8RSJB1iwlO4gSVOape_oiw IG: https://www.instagram.com/8upjay/ All Other Links: https://linktr.ee/jasonvotrobek?utm_source=linktree_profile_share&ltsid=84999dcc-6e96-46b1-b23e-b044cf791660 Help our brother Matyas overcome a difficult time and donate here: https://www.gofundme.com/f/qnpshd-matyas-retten-hws-cci-behandlung This Episode Is #Sponsored By The Following Download the Ava app today, and when you join use promo code CONNECT to get your first month FREE! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

My first plug was this Mexican guy that lived next door to my brother. All I did was just get an A ball from him. I want to say within the first month, I'm already pushing ounces. I didn't know I went to school with a Colombian cartel family. He says, I can get it on any ship you want out of this country. Anyway, it's up to you to get it off. I said, I got that. Jason Votrabeck grew up as a good old boy off of the coast of Vero Beach, Florida.

He fell into the cocaine trade right out of high school. And by the time he was 19 years old, he was moving multi-kilow shipments and association with Mexican cartel groups based out of Texas. But after a series of grisly murders, Jason lost that connect and turned to a more old-school, unlikely source for his cocaine, Colombia. After much trial and air, Jason and his crew figured out how to smuggle in 100-kilow shipments inside of private fishing vessels from Freeport Bahamas right into the coast of eastern Florida. Jason is a student of the drug trade.

I've never heard anyone articulate drug trafficking, drug smuggling, and the intricacies of a cat and mouse game that they play with law enforcement every day, better than him. Make sure to check out his TikTok where he breaks down his journey clip by clip. It's one of my favorite accounts. After making untold millions of dollars, Jason did the remarkable thing and retired from the drug game. But his Odyssey doesn't end there. He went on to become one of the biggest oxycodone operators in South Florida,

making $4 million a month operating pain pill clinics in the early days of the American opioid epidemic. This, not the cocaine, is eventually what did him in and landed him in prison for over a decade. If you want to hear that story, I highly recommend you check it out over on Patreon. Patreon.com slash The Connect Show. All right, no more chit-chat. There is so much to get to in this episode. One of the most fascinating interviews I've done in a long time. Jason Votrabeck, right here on The Connect with Johnny Mitchell.

I had these dive tanks made. We'd put the drugs in there and I'd slide the plastic back on. We're making these small runs and like we keep coming back. Never get pulled over. Never have new issues. And a lot of people don't understand. I don't know if you know how easy it is to get through customs. This car like pulls up and these dudes like jump out and they like grab me.

I had my gun in my back pocket and my pants. I just grabbed him and I put it in his head and I was like I'll blow his brains out right now. And that's when I was like I'm over it. They're going to get me eventually. This is after you had a gun to your head, been kidnapped all that shit. But you weren't really a violent guy. No, not at all. It doesn't seem like that.

I think you were just bluffing. No, I'm just. I mean, everybody's got guns. don't get you know what I'm saying like I'm just I'm just that crazy ass white boy country white boy from Florida you know what I'm saying that you grew up in the citrus cattle town you know what I'm saying small you know I'm a small town country boy we're in Florida very beach Florida that the west of the east coast so on the east coast it's about an hour north hour and a half north of west Palm Beach um we're known for any river county um citrus so you see any river county fruit

um all citrus you know oranges grape fruit said like that's known nationwide So it's a small town. I mean, when I grew up, majority of the town had blinking lights, not, you know, regular lights. You wouldn't think that on the east coast of Florida. So I'm central between West Palm and Daytona. Did you have drug trafficking in your family? Yes and no. So nobody in my family is a drug trafficker.

My dad was asked to run drugs because my whole town is built on the tri-counties. So it would be Okatovy, St. Lucy, and Newark County is all done drug smuggling. So I don't know if you watch. the documentary cocaine cowboys. Let me see. So they would fly the planes past Miami, come up our way, land, then take the drugs back to Miami and just shoot it out, however they're going to do it.

Because it was all like country, small towns where our sheriffs were involved. Like literally, I can tell you stories. My mom and my dad could tell you stories where like the sheriff cars are waiting for the plane to drop, to throw the drugs in and take them where they need to go. Like that's how small everybody was involved. sometime in the 80s, law enforcement, DEA shows up in our hometown and starts taking all the big players out. Like, I mean, literally everybody goes down.

So, like, growing up, a lot of my friends, family members, and people were what sent the federal prison. Other people did it. It all started, which is crazy because I'm working on a deal. And when I told them this story, they were just like, we love it. It's absolutely crazy. And I didn't think, like, the Black Dude of Chicago would love this story. I remember being like five or six years old around a campfire, and they were talking about how a plane just went down recently in the late 80s.

And it clipped the top of the trees. They had it on autopilot. So they put on autopilot and they're kicking the cocaine out. And it clipped the top of a tree and crashed. One of the pine trees was too tall or taller in rest of them. And somehow it clipped it. And the guy that was in there that one of the guys that died was my mom's high school sweetheart. that she would like

had a high school sweetheart type thing so you know I remember hearing the story around the campfire and the story was actually pretty wild because he was like

dude you're sick in the head or something's wrong because the guys from what I understand in they from the story I heard is they clipped both of them lived

but they were mangled pretty bad so when they went over there they were like begging for the life and they were like we won't tell we won't tell just drop us off somewhere or promise we won't say nothing and one guy was like

we can't let this happen And so they drenched the whole plane and them and gas and lit it on fire. And covered up. They all got away with it, but that's when the feds came into and started investigating everybody. And I think that was like the fall of everything. Because I remember as a kid when I was young, mid-late 80s, they really started like coming in and started taking people and rest in everybody. Yeah. So kind of like how the saltwater cowboys, the big pot smugglers who we've filmed with for this channel on the West Coast.

Same thing. The whole town was involved. even if they're not directly involved in trafficking, everybody knows what's going on. And yeah, the feds came in and pretty much just shut the route down and that was it. So it sounds like kind of the same thing happened in your county with cocaine. Everybody, it was in the culture. It sounds like you grew up where it wasn't that taboo.

No, it wasn't. Everybody knew everybody's business, what was going on. And that's what was so cool about it. And here's another issue that, you know, I wish I'd have known because I would have probably done things differently or not got into it. and idolized it so much, is because as a young kid, like my grandparents were pretty well off.

And we lived on a couple of roads that were like all rich people, like lawyers, you know, like doctors and everything else. My grandparents did. So the next door neighbors was a big time lawyer in town that, like, represented all of them.

And I remember, and they said he was involved as a young man. And I remember him having like a Lamborghini back in like 87, 88 ripping donuts in front of, you know, the house and the main street and stuff. back in those days and they would have huge parties over there. Like it was out of control.

And I just remember being like six years old at a time, like seeing this stuff. So, but I didn't hear and understand like in the 80s. I don't know if you know, you probably heard stories. But I'll get to like, 86, you know, somebody would get busted or something would come down. And they would just be like, hey, we'll pay you a million dollars to go turn yourself in, take the hit because they get, what, five years for 20, 30, 50, 100 kilos. It didn't matter. They get like three to five years back in those days.

And you could parole out of the feds. Yeah. So, you know, people would be like, okay, I'll take a million dollars shut my mouth and we'll give you a job soon as you get out. You know, so, you know, I didn't hear none of this stuff. So here I'm a young man idolizing this and like watching all the movies, you know, movie Blow when it came out, cocaine, Cowboys, the whole thing, everything else. So, you know, it's just like it was my life. Heard and all the stories when I was a kid. So I didn't realize they changed the laws and they figured out how to get everybody to cooperate. You know, when you're looking at 30 years, everybody does. So I didn't realize that's how they were getting everybody in my hometown. and however they shut the whole thing down. Okay, so you come up in my era, the early 2000s, 90s, early 2000s, you do a little like juvenile bid for some stupid. Yeah, I started getting into the weed game because my buddies, you know, when you're 13, 14,

15 years old, what do they do? And they start smoking pot. So here I am. I used to like mow yards and do all kinds of stuff and to make side money and do things because I was always in, you know, wanting to make money. So I had some money saved up. I ended up buying some, I went into the little hoods. I went to school with these kids that I played sports with.

And they're like, yeah, my brother, you know, sells pot. So I'm like, okay, so go up and there. And they like sell me just punk stuff. I didn't know what I was doing. You know, they just took advantage of me. You know, put a little nice stuff, you made it little green and had all these sticks and seeds on the inside and everything else. So I buy it.

I get screwed over. Nobody wants to buy it. So I buy some different stuff, try to mix it in. Still kind causes a problem. Well, these kids were stealing full wheelers. and stealing all kinds of stuff, just doing dumb. And they would keep them in the woods out by where I lived. So we go out there and ride them and stuff.

But then, you know, here I am in the game, I started talking to some of these guys about like, hey, you know, you want to buy some full-wheelers and dirt bikes and stuff? And they're like, hell, yeah. So I start selling them to them, you know, giving them the connect and I just get a little bit of money out of the deal. Well, they get hit. I want to say they stole somebody like really big in our hometown,

their full-wheelers, a boat motor or something. I don't remember. And they get hit and they try to put it all on me because I had bought some stolen dirt bike plastics, you know, for a dirt bike to plastics on it. They had, you know, better graphics, different color. So I was like, hell, yeah, I'll take them. Didn't realize it'd come back and bite me in the ass. So they put that on me. I took it the trial. I beat everything besides the Dillon and Stolen a property. But they still, you don't have a jury. You do it by judge. And the judge was like, I still think you had more involvement. So he gave me

an eighth month program, which turned out to be 18 months program. And it was Martin County boot camp and then I just couldn't make it. So I kept having problems. I ended up going from there, I think two or three battery charges on Leo's for fighting. And then I went to another place, got in a fight with another inmate. And the problem of it is that they wouldn't charge you for fighting the inmates of the kids. It's just when they come and break it up, if you elbow them or just literally anything, they charge

you a battery. Yeah, when you elbow the cops. Yeah, like you're fighting. They're jumping in on you. So it's not like I was hitting the cops. So I ended catching like, I don't know, seven or eight, nine battery charges in that time. I kept working my way up to these higher programs. And so I ended up graduating pretty much because I timed out at 18 years old.

So I did my homeless, all my high school and juvenile. It's wild. Yeah, you graduated high school out of the juvenile facility. I did. I walked in a purple gown from Washington County, got a high school diploma and everything out of juvenile, which is crazy. Like, if you were like, where did you graduate? I'm like high school. Yeah.

Like, Washington. they're like, where's that at? I'm like a panhandle Florida somewhere. Yeah. So you already had this like brolic, like institutionalized experience at a really young age. And then you come out and you try to, I guess you tried to turn yourself around. It doesn't seem to try it very hard, but that's okay. I did try.

I didn't want to go back because I don't know if you ever heard the stories. Juvenile's way worse than state penitentiaries, federal penitent. I don't know what it is. Especially in Florida. They're out of control because they're called state babies. A lot of people. don't realize like most of the kids that are coming in there, their dad's in prison. Mom's a crackhead.

They have nowhere to go. Nobody in the family wants them. So they're called state babies. So they're going to graduate. They've been raised in the, in the juvenile system and they end up going straight to, you know, adult prison. Like they're not going home. They call them jet camps.

Yeah, they're called jet camps. And when I tell you, them boys are out of control, like, I've never seen nothing in my life. And you've got to realize, I come from a small town, didn't have none of these problems. And they stick me in a zoo. And I was just like, you. You've got to be. But your instinct for survival and evolving, even in a bad situation, kind of speaks to your character and later on how you evolved in this crazy story

with the drugs that would come out of it. It took the fear out of it. I mean, you probably talked to a lot of people. Once you've been to prison, like, there's nothing to fear no more. I agree. The whole, like, not knowing and being scared of what's going to happen. And you hear all these stories, how bad prison is. it's the half of what it really is.

And then you were, you contemplated a bid for actually selling dope. You're like, okay, if I do a little five year jump, I can do that if I make millions of dollars. Yeah. That's how you calculated life, which I used to do. I don't think it's worth it anymore. No. But back of the day,

I was like, yeah, if I could make two, three million bucks, move a pot and they gave me about like four in the feds. Like, I could do that. I can play tennis and eat ice cream. Well, I didn't know that. I didn't know the feds. I thought I would go to state prison. I didn't know none about the feds. I'm not going to lie. That's how people talk about prison. People don't, people value their lives so little and time so little that they're like,

oh yeah, I got a million bucks. Dude, I'll sit down for five years. Five years. That's like, that's like a 12th of your life. 15th of your life. Yeah, but think of how much work you got to do to make a million dollars. I think you don't even get to all in one thing. You get little pieces of it. And so at the end, you still got that little paycheck because I'd rather have it all in one thing and be able to do something to get that jump up. That was my whole thing. Yeah. My way he thinking was, when I got out, I wanted to do everything right. But you got to realize I get out. Now, all the kids that I grew up with that been out are established a little bit. You know what I'm saying? Like they've already got a vehicle. They got a good job. They went to

college. You know, we're going into college, whatever it was. So I had to catch up. So here I am working probably $9, $11, $12 an hour, you know, doing whatever. And barely making it. I don't want to live with my parents. So I'm moving with my brother. And I had good intentions. I didn't want to go. I'm like, dude, I didn't. If prisons like that, I don't want to go back. And like how it always starts. It always starts as, you know, time goes by and what happens. You forget that wears off. All that stuff just goes right out the door. So, you know, I had good intentions. And then where it all started was is my next door neighbor and my brother, there was this girl that lived there. And this guy would show up. And I'd never forget. He had this dodge. And he always show up on like 26es. And, system in it. I'm just like, dope boy. You know, I'm thinking like, dude, I mean, like, I used to ask, you know, just wave at them, you know, casual conversation. And once I got in the game

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and see a white boy clean like me, just messing with them. Oh, I'm not saying it's the optimal way to do it. Yeah. But this is a Mexican guy in Florida. What do you expect? Yeah. So, you know, because when I went to prison, I learned that, you know, all these bike dudes, you know, like, they would get big really fast.

And I'm like, dude, he's like, oh, we already know we're coming to prison. So we just go as hard as we can, make as much money as we can. See, they understand the game. I don't. So they taught me the game once I went in. I'm like, well, it's too late now. Like, I'm not doing it. this again. So what they do is, is they already know that they're going to be told on. They know

they're going to get busted. So they stand on the corner, do whatever, deal with anybody. I'm like, why? And they're like, Jason, we already know we're going to get busted. We already know like that. We understand the game. So he told me, he's like, listen, I'm going to, I'm going to explain the unspoken game and how it works in the hood. He says, what we do is once we get a good product or whatever it is, we go as hard as we can go, deal with anybody and everybody. We might get six months. We might get a year. I don't know. So what he did, what he said, he told me, is like, we stacked that money. We hide it. Because we know we're going to prison. and they know right off the rip we're going to give up somebody

and it's just it's an unspoken code in the hood we just give up somebody they get busted they give up somebody and we know this is how it is because we won't get much time and we get back on streets we do it again yeah and it's not a taboo because he told on someone and then he told on someone and now it's it's almost like a strategy yeah it's almost a strategy for survival

you know telling is just a moral code it's nothing about the streets not now it's about how you feel inside about yourself because I've watched a video and you did something about how the Mexican cartels, there's no code about ratting. It's just business, right? But you want to know

so funny about that is that once you tell on them, what do they want to do to you? We want to kill you usually. Okay, so in prison, so do they check your paperwork see if you're rat or not? Of course. The same ones that tell on other people all the cartel guys. Because I did a thing on

Matt had did a clip at the very end about how I was talking about El Barbie. You know, all these guys, and it blows my mind about how, you know, you don't learn and understand, which I wish I'd have known this because I would have been a lot more successful I felt like in the game is because you've got to learn and understand how to work the system and know everything about the system to work it. Because if you know you're going into this that people are in the business to protect their

business and not this whole like unspoken code about routing, I think I would have made it a lot bigger and a lot more successful how to operate a little bit better. 100%. It's a game, dude. It's chess. So why wouldn't you want to play chess? Yes. You know, so forget the moral code. Your criminals. It's your code. The moral code is for, you know, the Bible. Judas told on Jesus, right? Yeah. Like that's, he gave, he gave up a literally the Lord. I go to trial on everything just because down deep, it's not, it's not embedded in me. It's not in about anything else. It's just strictly a whole thing on me about, you know, I mess up. I pay my consequences.

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Who is your first plug? Who put you down? Tell us about it. My first plug was this Mexican guy that lived next door to my brother. And at first, I was just like, I want nothing to do with this guy

because, like, I was just explaining about the whole thing about the moral code and like, you know, I don't want to be in the spotlight. I'm not a spotlight type guy. You'll notice, do you ever go back in my thing? You don't, won't see me like dressing fancier, like driving high-end cars.

Even when I have my money, I didn't do it. I don't like to draw on attention on that aspect. So he's right around on 26es. So, you know, being a young guy, seeing all this stuff, I'm thinking like, yeah, well, why do I want to be associated with him? It's not going to happen. Well, that didn't last very long. So my buddies, there was a drought. So everybody had a hard time getting good stuff.

And it was just seemed like there was nothing around. So they were like, man, we can't get nothing, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, I got somebody. So I seen them. I hit him up. And he's like, I got you. So all I did was just get an A ball from them. They get it.

They absolutely love. it. They're like, holy shit more. I'm like, okay, I got you. So I did it a couple times. Well, you know how it is. You do it a couple of times. Then they're hitting you up nonstop. And it's just like, why am I doing this for free? So then it was like, okay, listen, I can't really charge no more than what it is. So I took on my paychecks. What I did was I bought an eight ball and I put a little bit on it. So I made four grams. So now I have four grams. I sold them for $50 piece. I got $200. I bought it for, I think, $1.35 or something like that. I can't remember 150.

So I made a little bit of money. I did it again within like two hours span. So by then I had a quarter. I didn't want to invest too much of my money. You know what I'm saying? I'm paying rent, everything else. It's just like I wanted to do it just to make some extra spending money. And before you know, I want to say within the first month, I'm already pushing ounces

because it's a drought, perfect timing. This stuff is straight off the brick. And you're, it is a Mexican-American guy. He's not a cartel guy. No, no, he's not a cartel guy. So he's getting it from who are his plugs? Okay, so his plug. We got a small town in Florida.

It's called Felsmer, Florida. It's a citrus strictly farm in town. Like, it's literally 90% of people are Hispanics, and they're usually seasonal Hispanics. Right. So they only come over to pick the vegetables, depending the fruit, whatever is being picked at a time,

didn't they go home. So it's a seasonal thing. So they're real Mexican, like whatever. So they got migrant laborers. So that town had a pretty big guy. He would get like, my dude would probably get 40 to 60 bricks at a time. Like that's the kind of level he was at. A lot of work.

No, no, that is a lot of work. People think like that's not a lot of work. And you think of like cartel stuff. But this country's built on a bunch of small time guys. It's not huge. There's very few guys that are pushing really big weights. Very few. 60 kilos would take up this whole table.

Yes. So people got to realize like that is a pretty big guy. I mean, you start doing the math on it. I don't know what his percentage to profit it was. but I mean the guy he was probably getting maybe 100 hundred something kilos out of time his connect was because now is this the mexican route or is this this is mexican all mexican so it's i want to say it's his family i never ask i'm not a guy to ask too much because it's always got me in trouble when i was in you know juvenile just don't say nothing at all um i just know that his guy

he would always talk about my guy my guy and and he was like one time i was like hey man i need five bricks and he's like you got to let me know in advance because i'm going to get 40 and most of them are already spoken for because he dealt with a lot of dudes in the hood and so like that's applying a lot of like i think like tri-counties like most of the hoods and um i want to say the one time i got five he had 60 of them okay so that's how i know these numbers i'm not sure they're consistent or whatever no but this is good because uh you know in the early 2000s the mexican routes are still the dominant routes yes uh you know the the the excuse me the caribbean route, the Columbia through the islands up to Florida, that's slowed down to like a dribble.

Hang on. So I want to paint the picture for everybody. So you're still, the cartels still have big presence in Florida, even though they're closest to the Caribbean. This is all going to change coming up. So my question is you're from a tiny little town. Like how, where's the market? How are you able to push five kilos in like, you know, these little dusty Florida towns? Who's buying them? Are they people taking them out of? they're taking them to the rest of Florida? Yes. So I dealt with tri-counties. So, you know what I'm saying?

Like, literally the counties around me, I've never bought drugs from them, ever. They have farming like that, but our town had, it seemed like, a bigger presence of that. For some reason, I can't answer that question. But yes, I'm dealing with tri-counties. I'm dealing with people all over the place. I even had a Cuban that was up in my town working that was buying pretty good amount of weight and sent it down to Miami. because a lot of people don't understand

from what I understand the Cubans have Miami on lockdown and they're not getting much from Cuba like so the Mexicans don't have a really have a lockdown in Miami which sounds crazy you would think they do they have a lock on everything else like nothing else from what I'm understanding

is coming from the Caribbean besides Miami Miami the Cubans having a lockdown down there and it's mainly coming from Bimini from what I understand in Cuba They're bringing it over smuggling people And they have a bunch of drugs But we're also bringing drugs from Cuba Yes

Directly from Cuba to Florida Cuba That is ballsy From communist Cuba They're making that little 90 mile hot So I don't know if you know the whole story So I was in with a guy At Oakdale Louisiana

And he was an old-time drug smuggler He did his first federal bid in 72 Grady Higgins You can look him up Old Jewish dude long thing Everything listen, the dude was crazy. Been the federal prison three times.

He's doing 27 years on this bid. And he says he's going to go right back to it. It's kind of type thing. And I'm thinking like, you're crazy. And he's like, it's just my life. And he says, I'm not doing the United States no more. And I just quit asking. I'm like, I'm not asking more questions.

So he would tell me stories. He would fly up literally because he knows people from a hometown. And he's from Texas here. So he said he would fly up. And the route was go over Cuba, the fastest way. And I'm like, and he's like, you know, All you had to do was when the planes, because this is back in the crisis back then, like when they had the standoff, the Cold War. He said when you'd fly over and the jet would come in, he says, all you had to do is show them a kilo cocaine and then point, like, to America and they'll give you the thumbs up.

They won't shoot you down. This isn't military. It's just a drug smuggler. So they wanted, they thought it was funny, he said, to allow drugs coming to America. They said they would turn a blind diet to, like, hurt America and allow drugs. So they would allow them to fly through their zone. That's what he told me. I believe it.

Well, we know Raul Castro was like big into a loud. drug smugglers to move shit through the island. Yeah. But it makes sense. It's the reason that, you know, China really wants fentanyl coming in. Yeah. It's the reason that they let all the, they empty their jails in 81 with the

Mario Littos. They brought everybody over. It's like, you know, it's trying to destabilize America. Yep. So you, but some of your Coke that you're getting in this tiny little central Florida tri-state area is actually making it down for resale in Miami. That's correct.

Not a large amount. He was purchasing about a quarter key at a time and taking out of his guys. They wanted more, but it just seemed so shady because they always wanted on the front. You know what I'm saying? They never had cash. And I'm just like, nah, like, so I wouldn't do no more. They're Cuban sycamis. They're bad with money. So, but my point is you're getting five keys as a 19 year old. And so you're hitting off a lot of different drug dealers. Yeah. So you got to remember like, so my guy dealt with the hood, you know, like certain hoods and stuff. So I had to lock on all the other guys. So he dealt with like a couple guys. But you don't

realize like how much, how much drugs are being pushed and how much is being, you know, moved around. So the guy that's buying a quarter key, half key or brick from me, I don't know where they're going. I know one guy was moving it over to like Lakeland. One guy was like, had somebody in like Ocala, you know, like so they're moving it all over place. I don't have a clue. All I know is that they would buy. I was selling more on quarter. key and half keys than anything else. Don't you wrong. I broke it down into like, you know, grams and eight balls for all my high-end clientele because I had like the hiring clientele in my hometown, you know, doctors, lawyers, business owners, like a lot of big people. So, and I would charge

some extra, you know, and they always wanted it raw. And but they were great clientele because you don't have to worry about it and we're getting busted because it's not like they got messed up and go go do something stupid. They would get it and literally go wherever they're going and that's what they would do. And it was great profit, you know, and it's easy to deal with. They came to your They never knocked on your door or your window or blew you up late at night. So it was nice. And then I had my other guys that were buying quarter keys, half keys. And once you, people don't realize anybody can be big.

Anybody can get on that level so quick. All you have to really do is find a good connect and keep the product good. A lot of people don't realize that bad product will destroy you. But the hardest problem I was having at this point, it was staying consistent. you know, with good product. Because I would get, my guy would tell me like, hey, okay, I'm getting, I just got 50 keys of West Coast, East Coast, five star. And I'm like, okay, so it would have an arrow pointing like this with five stars on the brick.

And then we would get like Ferrari, the Mustang horse, the Ferrari horse. We would get the Scorpion. What are the different stamps? Stamps. What are the different stamps mean? Okay. So different stamps means different parts of the country that comes from down there, different partails, different parts. I don't know exactly who they come from, but it's their markings.

And so a lot of people understand also is you can tell the difference between a repress stamp versus a original stamp. And I don't know if you know the difference. It seems to me like down there, if you ever notice a real brick will have a stamp and it's more rounded. And I've always, every time I've ever seen a repress one, they're usually like straight, like they're taking a piece of metal and cutting it out or a piece of wood straight. And then they press it. And it's, It's almost like, you know, square edge. And down there, they're more like rounded. It looks like somebody sanded it or like did something different or I don't know how they really do it.

I see. So if it looks too much like a rectangle textbook, somebody might have with it. Yeah, because down there they're not like it seems like it's something done in the jungle. So they're not precise. They're always rounded. Like, you know, you have like the wood grain in it. See here like when they repressed, you can tell they do it with something hard and there's not the wood grain. So, you know, that, and I don't know if you ever have heard anybody talk about how usually keys will come in like a thick rubber, like a semi-tire like rubber, like vacuum sealed type, you know, like crances.

Because so it, you know, stays together, it doesn't break apart. Like, you know, when they're packaged moving into stuff, it doesn't get ripped. It's almost like an inner tube tire for a semi, how thick it is. And it's done. So there's different things that you learn do the process of like, what. What's a real one? What's a fake one when you start shopping? So the different ones, like, I will tell you this.

So like the Ferrari, the Lamborghini, the five star were really good. Everybody loved them. I literally got one one time that was so pink flake. Like it was like the most pinkest. Like it was so probably the prettiest key I've ever had in my life. What is the pink? I don't know. What is the pink?

In Colombia, they call it Tusi. But I think it's different than what you're referring to. So the pink from what I understand. comes from Peru. It's a different part of the country. And from what I understand it, it's just a different product they're cutting it with.

You know, processing it. So probably like a red diesel or something. I don't know. It's just a different way they process it and it turns it more of a pink tent. But it's so like, I swear to God, it just has a look like you never seen before. But nobody liked it.

Really? Swear to you. Like, they didn't like the look of it? No, no, they love the look of it, but the taste and the high, they said it was horrible. So did you ever, have to, did you ever get a big load that you had to just send back or not, not be able to move?

Yeah. Happen a lot. That sucks. You get stuck with it because they get stuck with it. And then your clientele leaves. And then you kind of have to like rebuild your business because people can go anywhere to get work. You know what I mean?

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So you're having, you're having consistency issues. How long are you going like this working with the, you know, your next door neighbor, the Mexican guy? I worked with him for over a year. And everything with him was great. I don't know you wrong. I would get some bad breaks for people like, hey, that's just not as good as last time. But I've never really got stuck with it where people are like, no, I'm not dealing with it. See, I never stepped on none of my stuff.

Once I made it to where I was pushing ounces, I'd never touch it ever again. because I wanted the consistency. I wanted the easy business. I didn't want to have to break it down, build it back up, break it down, like, you know, it's just, it wasn't worth it to me. Even though I wasn't making as much as the other guys were and everything else, like I told people,

I was making good money. I was making average anywhere from $3,000 to $5,000 per brick, you know, pushing that. I was making a lot of money per month. And people were like, well, it doesn't add up and this and that. I'm like, well, people wouldn't pay me. You know, I would get stiffed on stuff. like, you know, just part of doing business.

Not everybody's paying on time. Not everybody's working and, you know, you're spending money. But when I was saying I don't spend money, I meant like blowing it and strip clubs and doing dumb stuff. I just wasn't spending it like that. So once my guy, what happened was is something happened in South Florida. They can look it up and research it. There was a family that got murdered, the whole family.

So it was husband, wife, and two kids. And they were left on side of the interstate in South Florida. So they found the vehicle, four bodies, just thrown off the side of the road. And literally, days later, he disappears. Your guy? My guy disappears. Wow. From what I understand, he's not directly connected, but apparently had something to do with

his connects people. And you know as well as I know, which I learned later. I didn't understand that at the time. But when somebody does something like that and the feds come in, they're going to round up everybody. Like it's going to be a domino effect that just keeps crumbling. You got to leave town. Yes.

Okay. So they all left town. Everybody did. So it left a big void in like every hood. Like these boys were supplying just about everybody in like Tri-County. So it left an opening like no other. And here I am one of the biggest guys besides him. And I can't get nothing.

So I'm scratching my head thinking like, you know, I wasn't ready for this to be over. It was too good. Things were running too smooth. Something I think I'll be that hard. Let's go figure this out. So it was bad. I literally would run into every issue you can think about from, you know, everybody can say they can get something.

I'd be like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Everybody's a yeah, man. I tell people all the time. Everybody's a yacht man. So I'm like, okay, well, I got the money. And they're like, well, he ain't answering his phone. I'm like, no, I got the money. You've been telling me you can get it.

Let's get it. Oh, okay. And then the next issue I run into it. They're like, yeah, I can get five. They can only get one. Now they're calling around the 20 different people trying to round up five. And people don't understand that. So people don't, everybody wants to talk about their pushing five or ten.

But when you finally ask for it, it's almost impossible to get. I don't know if you know that. So you went down to Texas? I've gone to Texas. We were running a steroid operation at a Laredo. We were going across the border against steroids and bringing it back. And we had a bad experience one time. And I don't know how they knew or what was going on.

We were coming back with a load. And they pulled us over right outside of Houston, about two. o'clock in the morning. And they searched the vehicle tore that thing apart forever, could not find it. I had it hidden in the headliner. And I was literally, it was cold. And I remember like hugging inside the fender wheel of that Chevy Suburban. And I was shaking because they were so close to it. But I was shaking because I was shaking because I'm thinking like, dude, they're right there. We're about to get hit. You know what I'm saying? So I was just like, this is not good. This is not good. And he's like, we know what you're here for. We know what you're doing. We're going to find it.

So they tore the cooler part. They tore everything for it. They had the mirrors. They had that little block thing. They run on the tires and run on everything. You see the condensity of everything. And I just don't know why. They started pulling off plastic pieces inside the car.

They were looking everywhere. For some reason, I have no clue why they didn't look in the headliner. It was testosterone or what was it? It was testosterone, pills, and everything else. So I was, you know, already connected in Laredo. And I gave that up. I was like, man, the hell with this. Like, I don't know what's going on.

So I thought about it. let's go back to Laredo. You know, to do the coat. For Coke this time. Right. So I get a hold of somebody that had to connect out here and they would mail it back to Florida. So they were mailing keys through the mail. Okay.

And he had told me, he was like, man, you think it's bad back then getting pulled over? He says it's way worse now. He's like, nobody wants to really haul it out of there. Like, you really got to be plugged in somehow to do it. So I was like, well, that option's out of the table because he's like, I won't even go down there. So what he's- Nobody wants to haul Coke after it crosses the border into Texas or? Yeah, yeah.

Once it comes in the Texas, a lot of people don't want to just haul it in cars. Like you want to, most people do it to like, you know, like semi-shipping containers, other things like that. And I wasn't on the level to do that. And I wasn't organized to do that. Right. And he told me, like, driving down there, he said, because I was in the steroid business with him. You know, he had a part of he knew what was going on.

He was like, I don't even go down there no more. We have somebody there that puts it in the mail and mails it to us. But that's just a matter of time for that gets busted. Just because it was so hot already. It was already so hot. You know, they started putting in, like, different, like, coming from certain areas, they started putting different scanners in, from I understand, like scanning the boxes and everything else and running dogs through all the places.

Like, they supposedly, they had a team of, like, certain dog sniffing, drug sniffing dogs that would go to certain postal places, and they would just randomly every day go to them and, like, run the dogs randomly. So they just did random stuff. And that's how they were losing a lot of. lot of their drugs. Right. So I'm like, man, this is getting crazy. So you can't be consistent mailing the keys from Texas to Florida. So does that? Options out. Did you consider going into Mexico? Did you consider flying into Mexico to try to meet one of these groups? So I was going into Mexico

to get the steroids. So I already had to connect to Mexico. But the problem of it is is they don't want, nobody wanted to help me get the steroids or the coke across the border. They're like, no, you get it. you it's your job because if we get across the border why do we need you right you're going to pay our prices yeah and then it jumped up tremendously once to go across that border but then a lot of people don't understand what is it like 60 miles out or 50 miles out of from the border there's checkpoints yeah i didn't know no no until i went down there there's two borders yeah there's two borders so you have border towns and then you have another checkpoint yeah it's crazy so nobody warned me of this so the first time i went like we made it to the border fine like you know i'm saying i remember

remember it's like M&M like I'm the real some shady type is out like so I'm like bumping trying to keep my mind off of it a little bit like getting my head going coming across because they're great at reading you yeah like they're really good at they're watching you so then when we come to this I came at the second one I felt like the second one was harder to get through than the first one it's like they allow you to come across the first one in the United States because they want you in United States so they knock your head off I don't know I I that's just my guess so but the point is there's no there's no there's no building, scaling a business through this route.

No, because I'm too small. Yeah. I'm too small. I'm not organized enough to do it. I'm not going to lie. So I was like, okay, let me work on going to the Cubans. So my Cuban Connect was like, hey, guy, I got a pretty good guy down here, blah, blah, blah. Nightmare.

Nightmare. They were so good at, like, taking a key and open it up in front of me and like let my boy try some off the top because I didn't do drugs. Right. And so they would literally put like a thin layer of coke on the top and like, you know, try it. And then the rest of it's straight garbage. Like they had every trick in the book. Like everywhere I went, it was nothing but problems. You just, I got spoiled.

Let's just say that. My Mexican connect right out the gate. Like I will say I got lucky. Right. So that route just became an issue. And so how I thought about the Bahamas was first off, my family had a house in Green Turtles. so I've gone over there as a kid. And so I kind of know, like, how to get across the ocean.

And then the second thing was, is like, whoa, they're getting it from the island, so why can't I get it? So that's how it came about. So, but everybody kept telling me, like, you can't do that no more. And it was so funny, like, you can't do that. You can't do it. It's impossible. It's impossible.

And I'm thinking, like, well, why is it so impossible? So I'm like, well, let's try it. Yeah. So why was it so impossible? Just because after the 80s cocaine war, there was so much press around it. There was so many feds that descended on to South Florida and the Caribbean. It was just so heavily policed.

Is that why people said it was impossible? They came down on it so hard in that era that it scared everybody and made everybody believe that's still that way. That's the only thing I can assume. Like everybody was like, in the hell with that. Like back then they got everybody. And like they were cracking down so hard. And then they talked about like, oh, they got planes at five of time. They got radars.

You can't just sneak across the ocean like da-da-da-da-da. You just hear so many stories. And also it seems so daunting to try to move product through there because it's so, when you look at it on a map, you know, the Cuba, Bahamas, South Florida,

it's all so close. The Texas, Mexico border, the U.S. Mexico border across the southwest is like 3,000 miles long. Like there's a lot more room to scurry across. It seems like. So it seems like it's way easier for cops and feds.

That's not the problem. What's the problem? It's 90 miles to West End, which is Freeport, the island Freeport from out of Jupiter. Freeport, Bahamas. So Freeport, Bahamas to Jupiter is 90 miles. Bimini to Miami's 45 miles. What's in between that? Like an ocean.

What else is out there? Haitian refugees. Nothing. So when you're coming across a boat and it's flat and there's an island, a country, and a boat and a ocean's flat, dude, you're sticking out like a sore thumb. Like people are like, Jay, you're so stupid. Don't even think about it. Like, you're literally the only thing coming across there.

They're like, you really need to think this out, like fishing tournaments, busy seasons. Right. But I'm like, I'm going to be a drug swogging. They're like, you don't pick when you go. So it's like you have to be just like you're literally sore thumb. Like there might be five boats coming across that day. How hard is it for the intercept five boats? It's not.

So you have to hide in plain sight. So. It's like espionage. This is great. Okay. So, yeah, you did you have, it sounds like you had like oceanic experience. Were you on boats as a kid? Yeah.

So, so as a kid, you know, being living down there, we're always offshore fishing. Yeah. You know, we're fishing. Country boys. So, I mean, as a kid, we would go across with the offshore boat to Bahamas. We'd bring it back after season and stuff like that. It's like that during hurricanes. We'd bring it back, stuff like that.

So I had experience to going across. It was nothing for me. You know what I'm saying? Like, so, you know, as a kid, we offshore fish. It's normal to us. So I was like, okay, let's just take one of the day cruises over there. They're like $99. Let's just take a day cruise over there.

So what did they do is I think they went in like a Friday and leave Sunday. So you get two days on the island. So it's like, okay, perfect. Let's just do that. Let's just do a cruise, have fun. Let's not even, you know, do nothing else. So we shoot across. And I think it was going to be like easy.

You know what I'm saying? Like to plug in and everything else. it's hard. It's actually harder over there than it was here in the United States. And I don't know if you know if you ever been to Bahamas. So it's just like anywhere else. So you've been to like other parts, tourist spots, you know, throughout the country, right? You got people trying to sell you drugs. Here, you want to grab me with this. You want to. They got everything. They're trying to hustle everything, right? So it's garbage. And they chase the same price as America because they know what we charge. So they're charging the same thing. And they're killing it because they're getting it for nothing. And they're stomping on it. Right. So they're pushing a lot of product through the tourist people. Like, why do they want to break off? I didn't know now. This is shit that I learned. Right.

So I started talking to these people like, hey, hey, hey, so my boys are buying stuff from them trying it out. And they're like, too, it's garbage, garbage, scarp. So we start, like, kind of working our way up a little bit, like, starting meet people. And it was pretty challenging because you got three clean cut white boys. And they're thinking DEA, cops, you know, like, whatever. So once we started, like, hanging out on the island, like, that weekend, we didn't get nowhere, absolutely nowhere. So we're like, let's just take the offshore boat over there and

let's just go hang out and start making our presence. That's what we started to do. We started making our presence. Started meeting people and still led nowhere. Like I would literally be able to buy like a quarter key, half key, stuff like that. And I'd just bring it back on test runs. We brought some other stuff back. So I wanted to get in with this one behemian. So I brought back 90 pounds of weed for somebody. And on your boat. On my boats. So I brought it. back and he hooked me up with some coke. So I was like, listen, you hook me up on the Coke, I'll bring your

back. Because what's the difference between Coke and weed? You know, you're already bringing something back. Might as well throw it on the boat. Let's run it. I want to impress them. How are these test runs? What are you? What's the secret here? There's not. I just was wanting to just bring it across. But it's just luck? You're just keeping where are you hiding 90, 90 bricks?

I got it in a dive bag. And what we did was we I figured out how to, so one of the guys, lifelong friend, older guy that was drug smuggler, I'd asked him about some of his advice on it, about drug smuggling from Bahamas and how they used to do it and what his thought was on it. And he was one of the ones just like, I don't know anymore. But he says, listen, if you're going to do it on a small level, he says, make sure that it's somewhere where you can grab it fast.

Don't put it in nothing if you're going to do on small level test runs because he's like, listen, he's like, don't put enough weight in it. he says because you don't want it to sink straight to the bottom if you have to throw it over. He says, you don't want to hide it somewhere where they pull you over and you can't get to it fast enough to sling it off the boat. That's why you see all the drugs smoking things. They got it right there and you just see him slinging it out. Right.

But it floats. So he's like, you want to put enough weight in whatever you're doing to where as the current, as it's sinking, the current's taking it away. So it doesn't float up and doesn't go straight down. Because you were saying they will dive to the bottom. And the Bahama waters are shallow. So they can get. So they'll never intercept you in the middle ocean. Why?

Because they don't want you in international waters. It causes more problems with paperwork and law and everything else. They don't want to really catch you in Bahamas. They know where you're going. Where are you going to the United States. So they just watch the radar and intercept you about two miles off the coast. And we're going to get into how they used to intercept me. Right. Okay.

So they want to catch you within a couple miles off our coast. So when you get a couple miles off our coast, how deeps the water? 60 foot, 80 foot, 100 foot, depending where you're at. Yeah, it's not like the Pacific. No, it's not. So they'll swim down and get it. So instead of just putting it in something that's so heavy, if you have to ditch the drugs, if you're in like a chase,

you want something where the current's going to take it and sink it. Yes. So time it hits the bottom might be a mile away. Yeah. Who knows? So he's like, you don't want to put it there because they're going to pinmark that and they're going to come back with divers to find it. That's what they do.

So I learned that. All we did was literally put it right in the cubby hole of my contender. Well, we went running the contender then. It was a different boat. It was a 26-foot makeo. And so I had it just sitting on the front with weights in it, and we just did it that away. And we literally come in and to Jupiter. I didn't come in my hometown because we have an inlet right there by my hometown that splits Vero on St. Lucie.

So In New York County, St. Lucy, it's right across St. Lucy line. But they have a Coast Guard station there because it was a main drug smuggling thing back in the day. So there's a ghostart station there, and there's one down in West Palm, but Jupiter's wide open. It's like the middle point. And it's just like a low-key, like, inlet that come in. And you're a fisherman. You guys are fishers out there just trying to fit in with the other boats. Yep.

Right? Well, no, we are real fishermen. Like, so our boat is set in, you know, like, you, like, you, like, one of the things that you get on my boat, like, you're going to wear Guy Harvey's salt life. You're going to be wearing, you know, like, Colombian, like, the fishing shirts and stuff. You're going to be in board shorts, you know, flip flops on the boat or deck shoes, like, you know, coast of sunglasses. Like, you're going to fit, like, you're not getting on my boat dressed like this or dress anything else. Like, you're going to be fish. You know, like, we got to.

all the fishing poles equipment. I mean, the boat's set up. We're literally fishing. When we're over there in our downtime, we're out there fishing. Yeah. So, I mean, we fit the thing. Everything's good. We never get messed with. So we're making these small runs and like we keep coming back and never get pulled over. Never have new issues. And a lot of people understand. I don't know if you know how easy it is to get to customs. Coming into America? Yeah. On the water? 90% of the time, Bahamas, I never checked in. That's right. you never even went through customs going to the Bahamas. So why would I check in when I came back?

Of course. You have 24 hours or 48 hours once you get back to go. So I could literally pull in, load my boat up, go home, go to bed, wait to the next day to go to the customs place to check in at the airport. And would you check in? 90% of the time I didn't. Because they didn't even know you left. They don't need to know back.

Because the thing is, if I didn't check in over there and I'm coming back, all I had to say was like, hey, I needed to go get some fuel. I've been fishing. Right. They're not watching everybody all the time. time. No, they can't. They can't. So how, tell us this, how long does it take to get, where would you load up? What island in the Bahamas? Was this Freeport? Only Freeport. Okay. How long does it take to get on boat from Freeport to Jupiter, Florida? Com C's running pretty good, an hour and a half. Very rarely you would have Com Cs and be able to do it. Average two hours, I mean, two and a half hours. Just say average, give or take two and a half hours. But I mean, we literally, like find floating debris out there like a crate or something big and we'd fish it we'd hit some weed lines and fish it so i mean we wouldn't just come straight run right back call and ass like we would

literally take all day to come home most of the time like we would find stuff throw the rods out circle around it catch fish hit the weed line do the next thing come on in so it looked like that's what most people do right so i grew up doing that so i'm like why am i going to change right like that's what looks normal on the radar like they don't like just certain things so doing around some days we come straight in, we try them. We tried everything to see what we did. Never got messed with. So then we found one day we were over there and I don't drink either. So my buddies were drinking. We were clowning and having a good time. And there's this one black tube, it was walled. Dude, I'm talking about jacked. And he was like in this like a Buick on rims. It was like hideous for the United States.

But over there was like, you know, like a nice car. And he did. He was like clean cut, but he wasn't flashy, flashy. Something about him. And he kept rolling the block all the time in La Chaya. So La Chaya is like a tourist spot, really nice, high-end. So it would be like Cancun's nice part of the island. So that's La Caya's Freeport, which is the nice tourist spot. And he had always cruised a block.

So my boy was one time, like, when he stopped, just like jumps in the passenger seat of his car. And he's like, what are you doing? My buddy's pretty wild. So he's like, you're my taxi cab driver. He's like, get you a white ass out of my car. I remember saying something like that. He's like, nah, I'm getting out.

So me and my other boy just jump in the backseat. And he's like, all right. He's like, y'all boys are going to make me dry around. You're going to go to my restaurant and buy some food. So we go to his place called Triple J's or something. I can't remember what it was. We go there and we eat and we get to hanging out when I'm talking to him a little bit and everything else.

So we get to know him. We go out that night and it took, you know, some time to get to know him real good. But we get to know him. He's not in the drug game. He was in the underground. casinos. So he would, so there's casinos on the island, but the

Bahamians are not allowed to gamble at them. Explain that. The tourists can gamble, but the Bahamians, the locals can't gamble. But they allow casinos be there for all the tourism. No shit. They don't want to get their people addicted to gambling and, you know, let the money go off the island because who knows who owns them. And they know gambling's bad is what he told me.

So like when you walk into a casino, if you're black, most people, the Bahamas are black. You probably have to show your ID to prove your American and not local. That's crazy. So now there's this whole underground market racket for gambling. Okay. So what he did was his family is somebody big on the island. So his gig was he had restaurants and all these buildings and he had hidden rooms in the back,

little hiding spots. And he had a connect out of Canada to get like all your slot machines, your tables, like whatever it took for gambling. I didn't, I've only been in one of them and I was just like, I'm not again. my boys would get drunk and go in her and gamble. Who was back there? Mad Asians? No, I guess Asians can gamble because they're not by hamians. So it's all locals.

It's all locals. It's small. The room is probably size of your room here. Oh, okay. Not very big. Interesting. Someone's smaller. So the one I went in probably had like five or six slot machines, like a, like a craps table

and like a little roulette table. Small stuff. Very small, like very back, like something you see like in a movie, like a mob movie type thing. Yeah, yeah. It was pretty interesting. And I'm just like, okay, that's pretty cool. like a master room size, you know, normal's master room in a house.

So I was like, so it's like a light bulb going off my head. I'm like, oh, so you got the port. By then, we'd already had plugged in. I kind of jumped forward a little bit. Time we had started meeting him and talking to him, we'd already met one guy. And he was hooking us up with bricks,

which were pretty good. They were 13.5. Before my guy left, when I first started hooking up with my Mexican dude, it was 185 back then in Florida, in Florida, which was really, really good. Really good. And then it instantly like, I don't know, three, four or five months later, it went to like 21, 22. And it kind of like hovered there for a little bit.

But once he got taken out and everything else, like it literally went to 285 to 32,000. In the course of a year that you were selling dope. Within a couple years, it went to like 30. Because you already remember there was a span that I was dealing with the Cubans and doing I was trying to piece, piece, I was pie together. Like, I went back to a small level. You had no plug. I had no plug.

So I was just bouncing around getting small stuff everywhere. So in the Bahamas at this time, 2007, 2008? 2006, seven. Okay. Tell us about how they were getting it from South America and the way it would like hop islands. So this guy that I dealt with, I literally could only get a couple bricks out of time. And I was like, I want more, I want more, I want more. and he kept telling me, yeah, yeah, yeah, he was always, you know, saying yes.

So what I found out was, is so the guy that had the underground casinos explained it all to me. He says, Jason, he says, they only get like 300 or 400 keys out of time. It sounds like a lot, but it's not a lot. I mean, because the reason why I say it's not a lot because somebody else was like, man, that's a lot of Coke. And I'm like, no, it's not because they get it up through. I want to say it all comes through Puerto Rico and Dominican because it's easy to get it in their ports out of Columbia and it comes through somewhere else. And then they put it on these little banana boats that are like long, skinny ones, a little thing.

They got little rudder or thing on it, like 150 horse or whatever. And they jump islands with it. So they might start off with who knows how many bricks on it. And they go from island, island, island. And then so like one boat. You're dropping 100 keys here, 50 keys here. I don't know. If I told you, I'd be lying.

I'm assuming they're dropping so much off. And there's a lot of islands. A lot of islands. But there's not a lot of big islands. Right. Nassau and Freeport are your biggest ones. So you can't you can't hide on the small islands? Well, the problem of it is, the small islands is that, you know, there's not a lot of market, a lot of, you know, like they're too small.

I imagine the feds can just show up and rate them easy. You know what I'm saying? Or all that code. Yeah. Well, there's probably 50 guys like you. So. There's 50 guys like me waiting at Freeport for drugs. That's why I'm getting to.

That's why I said 200, 300 kilos is not a lot. Right. So my main issue was is that every time I go over there, like we would guarantee five and we show up and we get two. And we're paying 135 over there for them when they're selling over here for 32,000. So I'm not complaining too bad, but I want to get back on. I got people jumping at the bit, wanting a lot. So if you got over two kilos and you're like, I don't know when more is coming in, where I assume you were just breaking it down into small pieces, right?

You can't give them away wholesale. I wouldn't sell them wholesale or I would sell only ounces, you know, quarters, half stuff. No more than if you wanted like four or five ounces, I'd sell it to you, nothing bigger than that. Yeah. because I didn't know when my next load was coming in. So I was going through, we were doing it all through emails. So like a lot of times my dude would email, we'd have the same email set up. People say all the time, I did a TikTok on this.

They're like, Derek doesn't work, this and that. Let me explain something. 10 kilos, very truly yours. So we both had the same email and we both had the same password. So the trick was, is through the cartel and we found out to the terrorists and all that stuff. They do it through PlayStation Live. and they do it through emails. And people are like, you can't do that.

Well, listen, without a snitch, they don't know that this email exists, you dummy. Because you, whatever. So the whole trick of it is, is that you go into the draft. I log in. And I'll write like, hey, is the fishing good? And then he would go in and keep checking,

and he would delete it and he would answer. You don't hit send. You hit save and draft. And then he'd be like, hey, listen, they're saying that, you know, next week, the weather's going to be good. Everything's going to be on point. So blah, blah, I'll let you know.

And I keep checking, you know, two or three times a day. And then I'll be like, thank you and I'll delete his thing and I don't hit sin I just hit save and then he's like hey listen the fish and it's on come soon so then I'd be like okay I need to leave so that's how we would do it and so we would communicate that way and then when I get on the island um I would literally he would know when I'd pull in like it got to the point where it was like I had problems with this one custom guy that's why I put checking in and I told my guy about it and he's like don't worry about

a god that's goose or something big goose or whatever people do so these guys on the Island already had the dudes working at the port. Yes, they had everybody. Okay. They had everybody. And so did the guy who had the gambling, obviously. He had the guys. The other guys, I don't think they had at the port because they were coming in all on small boats.

So the drugs would come up through the Cuba, Puerto Rico on that small boats. And that was the issue. It was like, so my guy would be like, hey, listen, you need to show up. Like, it's coming. And then I get there and we'd be waiting for a week. And I'm like, dude, where's it at? Bad weather, Coast Guard. They would have to hide out.

They couldn't get. So it would get pushed back a couple weeks or not. I watched the boat pull up one time. They're like, the boat's here and it had no drugs on it. They already sold it at the time they got there, all the drugs. So I was literally going back home, empty-handed so many times. And then like, hey, I'm going to get five and I get one. Brutal.

You can't build a business like that. Can't build a business. So I would literally like sit at the thing. We're waiting for a week or two. And I'm like, all these same people are sitting here waiting too, like on the island. I'm seeing the same people every time I come and everything else. And I'm like, some boys are like, yeah, what do you think they're waiting on? Same thing as you, you dummy.

And there was these group of white boys out of West Palm. When I tell you, white boys, we're talking like, hood white boys. And I'm like, how in the hell are they coming across this ocean? Like, I wouldn't dare be seen around them because if you come across that ocean, then Coast Guard boys know who fits that ocean and who doesn't. Right. Like, if there's a black dude on a boat coming across that ocean knowing they don't like water, you get messed with.

Like, your boats get. rated. Like, white boys and do rags don't seem like they're deep water fishing. These boys were everything gold tea, the whole nine. I'm like, oh my God.

And the reason why I found out about these boys, we were at a nightclub one night on the island and they were like blowing money. They got like du rags, chains, gold like, as good as can be. And my boy told me like they got the plug. They're the ones getting all the weight. Like they were running a huge operation.

They didn't last very long. Couldn't have, right? Well, they caused so much. firstly on the island of, you know, spending so much money, balling and, like, making such a president that it got the local DEA, the United States DEA on them. Okay. So then how did your, so all these problems, but then you meet, what's the guy's name with the gambling? I don't to say his name, but my main guy with the gambling thing. Yeah. He, um, I meet him and I explained my, you know, my issues and stuff. And I asked him how he was getting in. He said he had the guys in the port on payroll. So by this time,

reason why I'm asking is because somebody informed me that somebody I went to high school with, a couple of them, they were Colombian. I didn't know I went to school with a Colombian cartel family. So back in the 80s, what was everybody trying to do back then? All the cartel leaders trying to kill and kidnap everybody's family members and stuff. So a lot of the cards, a lot of people didn't realize they were sending their families over here for protection. So the wife and the kids came over here and they were hiding out in our hometown. And their children went to school with you. Yes. So one of my buddies knew that I was up what I was up to and was like, hey, I got somebody for you. So we made a trip to Columbia.

You went to Collie. Yeah. We went to Cali. I call it Cali. Call it call it Callie. They always call it Cali. I pronounce it right. Yeah.

It was all that is. No, no, no. I'm saying you pronounce it the way it is, but they always said Cali. Because Cali Cartel and that's how they take. So when people want to, you know, want to know why I call it different. So did you, can you explain to us real quick? Because this is the, the Collie Cartel. was founded by the Orojuela twins, the brothers, but by the 2000s when you went down there,

they had long been in prison. What was, did you know how that operated? You never got a sense of how the families and anything like that. Okay. Didn't know anything. It all happened so fast and I was just like, let's go. Right. I am so over this whole drug thing.

Like this whole drug thing is like people think like drug business is easy. It's not easy. It's a headache. It's stressful. Yeah. But it's the addiction of being able to pull it off. I love it. It's just like the rush of being able to like a white boy

it looks like me, like be able to pull it off, do the things everybody says you can't do. Like it's a rush like a high. It was like my addiction. Yeah. So I'm like, I'm in. I don't know who I'm going to me. I don't even know the whole story. I don't know nothing.

Like you went down before all these white people started going to Columbia. And it was normal for tourists back then, dude. Like it was, they were. they were still recovering from it being the most dangerous country in the world just like 10 years before. So my boy was like, hey, we're at the airport. Man, he's like, when we walk out of here, he's like, just don't get nervous. And I'm like, yeah, just, just it's not he's like, he's like, and I'm trying to explain. Like he was just breathless.

He's like, ah, he's like, you'll see. Just, just act normal. We walk out at the airport and everybody's family's. like there's hundreds of people waiting. It's like we're all the cars, taxi cab. Everybody's waiting with their families behind this little like barricade like little thing or whatever fence thing. And they're all like short, tiny little people.

And they're all like the whole place gets quiet. And they're just like three greengos get off, dude. And we're all over six foot. And they're all just watching us. And he's like, you see what I'm talking about? And I'm like, dude, why are they all watching? He's like, dude, he's like, they don't ever see white boys like, you know, Americans. Like it's very rare.

I'd say out of all the times I went down. I think I've only seen two of the white. people. Yeah. Square to you. That's crazy. Because Cali's like on the southwest corner of there's a lot less, even now, Collies, there's a lot less tourists. There's a lot less white people. Yeah, you look like a Fed. Yes. You look like a Fed everywhere, but you really stand out down there. So two like little Zuzu pickup trucks pull up Nissan Zuzuzzi, I don't know, they switched them up. And then like these guys, the doors open, these guys get out with the

guns. And they're like, oh, that's our ride. And I'm like, what thing? I'm like, what in the hell? I'm not expecting on it. So. we hop in the vehicle and my boys turn around because they were already over there. So they're like, hey, I was the fly, blah, blah, blah. We're like, everything's good. So one was in one and one was another one. And I mean, we're literally like passing everybody. I remember like pulling up to like red light stuff.

And if we could pop up on the sidewalk and go around and go through the red light, I'm thinking like, what in the world? Like, why are we doing this? Like, he's like, dude, we can't stop at stuff like that. I mean, he's like, we have to. We have to. He's like, but kidnapping is the main source of thing. And red lights are the best place where they get.

them. They'll come in with all the little scooters and, you know, have the guns put on you. He's like, these vehicles are bulletproof too. And I'm like, what? So it's starting to think in my mind, like, dude, these are real. Like, these boys are real. Like, who are they? And I still don't know that they're a part of the cartel. So we ended up going. They put us in a hotel that they have something to do with to monitor us. And they're like, you don't leave without us. Like, you stay here. Like, you don't do nothing. We'll be back to pick you up. So they come back and pick us up. We go out and we do some stuff. We go to dinner and anything else. And I mean, these guards are where this guns loaded. like everywhere we go, they're sitting with us and everything else. So, um, start to realize, you know, that who they are, by that first night or was it the second night,

I finally get to meet the cousin. The cousin is to plug. And he just got released from a Salvador, Ecuador or somewhere. He got kidnapped and was held ransom. They had to go down her to set up a drug deal or to get paid on a drug deal. I can't remember it was. And his family had to spend,

I think, six million to get him out. He just flew into the country and he's like meeting us hours later. Not like, oh my God, I'm happy to see my family. And I'm just like, so my family asked him one day was like, dude, like the first day, like he's like, oh, it's just business, man. It's just how it works down here. And I'm thinking like, business. Like, you were just kidding for months. And your family gave the $6 million there and got it all out and everything else. And the first thing you come back set up, he's like, yeah, I got to get back to business.

I lost a lot of money. Yeah. Back to work. How old was this guy? He went much older to me. So I was young 20s. I'd say he was no more than 30 years old. couldn't ask them no questions. Yeah. And I'm going to jump to the reason why. I remember being down there partying on a rooftop of a nightclub, and there was a bunch of Colombians of their boys and stuff. And by now, I kind of figured out who was who.

I didn't know exactly. And there was this one Colombian kid. He seemed like he came from more wealth than the rest of him. But he gave me the vibe and understanding he had nothing to do with the drug trade. So I asked him, and I'm like, hey, so what does your family do? And they looked at me and he said something in Spanish to his boy. And my boy was like, man, come on. You got to go.

Like you just f*** up. And I'm thinking like, what did I f*** up? He's like, you got to leave. So they took me and told the guy's driving straight to airport and I got on a plane and came back to America. And he's like, dude, you get killed for asking questions. Like, you can't do that. Like that's uncalled for. Like, you're going to have to ask for forgiveness.

Like for me to go back down there, I had to like tell them I apologize and whatever. And then like they cleared me to come back. And the whole time, I'm nervous. Something like, what are they going to get me down here and to kill me anyway? like you almost blew the plug just by asking questions. Yeah, like it caused a lot of problems. That's wild. But I'll get to that point. So, like, you know, that's the whole thing about, like, when you get into that level,

you don't ask nothing. Like, you just mind your damn business. Like, they know everything about you, but you can't know nothing about them. That's fair. So at this point, the cousin's pretty, he's pretty cool. Like, he's a wild little bastard. Like, you know, he's interesting. And he's like, okay, so what's the deal?

And I'm like, well, what is it going to cost in that? And he's like, anywhere from $3,000 to $4,000, depending on what my prices are, I can get it on any ship out of here. It's up to you to get it at wherever. Okay, so he would get it on the ship to leave Columbia. Would he promise to get it to the Bahamas? He said, I can get it to any port you want. It's up to you to get it off.

Any port. Any port. Any port. He says anywhere you, I can get it on any ship you want out of this country. Anyway, it's up to you to get it off. And what is your first thought? I said, I got that. That's right.

Because now you got the Bahamas. I said, I got a connect to Bahamas. He says, you do? I say, yeah. He says, are you sure? He says, because you're paying for everything up front, every, all cost. Because he's like, because I have to pay for the Coke, then I have to pay for the shipping. I have to pay for everything.

So he's like, listen, he's like, here's the deal. He's like, I'm not going to lose nothing. He's like, if you say you have a port, that's up to you. Nothing's going to come back to me. So I don't care. He says, so if you say you got it, he says, let's get it. I said, well, I want to do it on a small level first because I don't know who these other people are. I don't know if they're just saying that.

They're going to set me up. I don't know. These other people, who are these other people? The Hamians. Right. I don't know if they really do. Or are they going to set me up? They're a lot sketchier in the Bahamas.

They're way poor. They're way more violent. It's horrible. Yeah. Horrible. And the Haitians are a lot there too taking over. Oh, they're Haitians and the Bahamas? Yes.

Oh. So they're a feud and they're fighting because I don't know if you know, like, you've seen like, it's getting to the point where like, they're putting like warnings on, like, going to travel into Bahamas, like, Nassau and stuff. in the tourist series how bad it's getting. Currently. Wow. So, like, you know, there's been a lot of issues down there.

And so Americans are allowed to carry guns there. But the Bahamians aren't allowed to have guns. But we can take guns over there for our own protection because piracy is so bad, they'll come rob you out in the ocean. So if you're out in the ocean and a boat comes to you, like, you don't, like, go to them. Like, you stay the hell away from them. Right. And you were saying, too, that you would have guns sent from America placed in different spots

that you would be at, so you had access to them. Yes. So instead of me carrying guns over there and having to let them know or get caught with them things. So I had had a connect in Florida. I didn't. One of my boys had a connect. And I got 10 unmarked guns straight from the manufacturing.

Registered to nobody got out the door to us. How do you do that? Okay, so there's a lot of small manufacturing gun companies. So all you got to do is know somebody works there or has somebody who works there. And they're selling guns out the back door type. They're making guns and selling them. anything. I don't know if you ever know any business. People are making their own stuff on after hours or parts and building their own stuff. Whatever it is. It means like plumbers,

like tricians are doing side work. Right. Same. I got you. So I got an order in on 10 guns. So I got the team. They're the tourists. The tourists that are like a shiny, like I couldn't pick it. They were like a shiny 9mmmm. Taurus. Got it. Like, I. It's a 9mm small arms. I want something small. They want nothing big. And so. So, So I got 10 of them. And so I had them, you know, like I take a couple over there and I put them on the island, keep them in certain places. And so I had guns there and then I had guns that would stay on the boat locked.

Right. And it came to a point because you didn't want to get caught on the island with a gun without register and do customs because now you're going against their gun laws. Right. So it's kind of risky, but at the same time, I'm already doing bad stuff anyway. Okay. So the point is you're not, you don't know how solid your connects are at the Bahamian port just yet. I don't trust nobody. Fair enough. And we're going to see why in a minute. How much cash do you have in your bank, your re-up bank now, now that you've got the Colombian plug, how much are you willing to risk? Because you've got to pay him up front. You got to remember. I mean, I had hundreds of times. I was a millionaire by 21. I guarantee I had a million dollars by 21. I had money. I had cash all over to place. it wasn't that I was willing to risk a lot of that.

I just didn't want to, I'm a cheap, I'm very cheap. So back then I didn't want to, I didn't want to waste not. I mean, I was willing to spend $50,000 to $100,000 to risk. Okay. So that's good, though. It's still gets you 20 bricks. So I only did, I only did 10 bricks the very first time. And the reason why, because I had to give a percentage to the Bahamians and everything else, time I did it.

And I wanted to do on a small level. My guy told me, doesn't matter. I get where you come from. I wouldn't do nothing really too big. He's like, it doesn't matter. We're going to put it in something. You're going to get it. It's just like shipping anything from a country.

It'd be in a huge thing, but your box would be this big type thing. Right. So. How did they get you the first? Did you know how it came in the ship? I don't know how none of that. I didn't ask. They didn't tell me.

They wouldn't tell me because they have their ways of doing stuff. And you think they're going to give to some little guy like me? Fair enough. So I'm just like, okay, however you do it, I don't care. I'm sketched out. Like, this is like, out of all the shit I've ever done, this is where it gets the most sketchy for me. Okay. Sorry. This is so fascinating.

How do you, how do you get them $4,000 times 10? How do you get your Colombian plug? How do you get him 40 Gs and cash? The family in Vero. Okay. Yeah. So you just keep the money in the States. Keep the money right? Easy. Easy. So on a small level, they're just like, just

take it over there. And we'll just you know, because the family, you know, has money and needs money or whatever. I don't, they were just like, just give it there. So some of the family member was there and I gave the money to them. I never really had to take money down there at the beginning. Like, it was pretty wild. So it was really simple to me.

Like, the family's already here. Yeah. I just give them the money. Somebody takes it. The very first time, let me tell you how sketchy was, they wanted me to, like, drop the money off somewhere in town. Like, you just drop it. And I'm thinking like, dude, I'm going to put eyes on this thing.

So I didn't put eyes on it. I dropped it just to see. And it went smooth. They were like, yeah, we got it. Everything's good. So I'm like, okay, well, that's cool. And so the drugs come in. we're waiting and they come to the port my guy was like okay whatever and here i am thinking like

these boys are just going to screw me the very first time like whatever so my dude comes through and like we're sitting somewhere the dude shows up to the restaurant we're at you're the gambling dude we're in the back room the drugs show up he gets his it get mine okay how much are you giving him off 10 quarter given a quarter of the shipment okay so you give him a quarter of the shipment okay that's the agreement quarter of the shipment come in so so that makes a everybody that's for to pay everybody so you're paying people in cocaine i'm paying them in cocaine not cash they want they want the drugs they make more money right exactly that's how most of this like you call it like middle manning in the caribbean i've learned just reading that's how most people get paid

is it below yeah all the way out from nicaragua panama nicaragua through the islands yeah because they make more money of course that's it's it's a little trip just pay me in a bird just pay me in a bird because then they can turn around and small it out in the streets or whatever they want to do it Who cares? They ain't in my business. So they want the coat. So I just give them a quarter of the Coke. Okay.

So now your price is up $4,000. So that raises your price on a brick a little bit. Yeah. I averaged around $7,000, $8,000 a brick. I think time everything came out. The reason why I say this is because as I got more bricks, the price came down a little bit. So when I say at the beginning it was like around eight. But where else you're going to go buy Columbia and cocaine for $8,000?

$8,000. You can't. You're going to have a tied in. Yep. So then I had to pay nobody to bring it into country because I'm doing it myself. So I literally was just like, holy, so I had these dive tanks made. So I had dive tanks and went bottom. And I don't know if you know on the bottom of dive tank, they got a plastic little sleeve so it doesn't scuff up the bottom of your boat.

And it has like almost a wrench, like a socket like grooves in. So it sits in a box. They won't turn, rotate. So they pop off. And we had a machine shop. I have a buddy that has a machine shop. And I didn't tell him what's going on. And he's pretty close to me.

So we had it machine cut. precise and on the inside they're not totally like circle they're like a different design and I think they did it so you can't do this so we had to take a machine and lay it out right and then lay it to where it slide back together we had to like sleeve welded so it sleeves back together okay and then we had it a cylinder put in and welded at the bottom where it went up to where they could still have we could put air in it so if you popped it some air so we leave about that much of the dive tank where you could put air in it okay and then we had

these like little pens, like Allen key tiny little card pins to keep it from sliding apart. It was a pretty good press. So we'd put the drugs in there. I'd screw it in. I'd take that little Bondo put a putty filler and put a little bit in there and we'd touch the paint up and I'd slide the plastic back on. Killer. So then like I'd have like

10 dive tanks on the back of the boat. And then you could just pop the valve. How many keys could you get into one tank? You'd get three. Okay. Break it down. You'd have to break them. So we'd put two in there. Slime side by side. But you could put three if you wanted to break them. Did you have to manipulate the keys at all? Like, how did they look when they got to the Bahamas? Were they those

textbook squares or were they more rounded at the side? It all varies. I've never got, all the keys are different. Anybody that's ever dealt with bricks. So some of them have like rounded side, some or some like, you know, like I've had them where they look like a loaf of bread type. You know what I'm saying? Then I've had them come in the bricks, like the actual bricks, like you see a lot of times, I had them come in a loaf of bread. It's crazy because you would think, that these cartel people would get it from same thing. No, they're getting it from the jungle or wherever, and they're just buying a bunch of it,

like what we did with the marijuana in California. So the thing is, I would get them all different types of ways, but the stamps were pretty consistent with them. But like the loaf of bread ones, I want to say I got some of them before that looked like a loaf of bread, and they didn't have stamps or nothing really in them. And I was real eerie about them, but they were the same thing. So it really didn't matter.

And you could still fit them into the tanks. Still fit them in the tanks. So now you've got 10 tanks, but only a few of them have cocaine in them. Yeah, not all of them had coke. So some of them were, you know, regular tanks and some wasn't. And if you got boarded by the Coast Guard and they got curious and they twisted the top of one of them, they'd hear the air. So they all have the air, so they could see, like, you know, low on air, but they'd hit it and it still let air out. Yeah.

Let the air out. This is a pretty good trick. So they're sealed up tight. I mean, I'd take a little bit of silicone put around them. We, you know, pop them together on the inside to keep the smell down and everything else. So we'd never had an issue. So we were only doing out on the small level. So once we worked out the few of the bugs and started working our way up to get 100 bricks to come in.

Don't you dare skip over this, though? So is this before or after you've started to put American law enforcement on your payroll? So all this time leaning up to this over the years, I started building that. So I already had a lot of the sheriff's department on payroll. I went and literally like weekly paying them. So they would give information to really close people to me to give to me and I would give them money to pay them. Some would want a couple thousand dollars for some would want.

I'd never tell anybody I don't, of course they're not talking to each other. Some are more expensive than others. How did you initially make those relationships? Small town. Just everybody knows me and they, a lot of these boys like me, even though they're cops, they still liked me and they still were like, you know, Jason's good dude type thing. like we really liked when we grew up. So they would just leak me stuff all the time.

It was never like I approached them. Almost everyone of my sources came to me. Like they would literally like send somebody like tell me like, hey man, you know, such and such and such cooperated and your name came up. And then I would make sure they get paid. And once they got paid, they were like, oh, like, you know, so they were like, well. There's more where this comes from. Yeah, there's more.

So, you know what I'm saying? So I guess I'm like that I'd send like $1,000 cash. You know what I'm saying? Depending on what it was, it would be a little bit more. So I don't know. if they were talking, then it started like growing. So then I had more. So then there was a couple boys I know that went into the Coast Guard.

So then I had them. So I would ask them some stuff. And then they kind of like, you know, knew what was going on. So they would tell my boys like, hey, listen, we're going to be patrolling in this area because there's a lot of activity going on. So we'll be there for a couple weeks. I'll let you know them or not. So then I knew where the Coast Guard was patrolling. So like shipments would come in and like, I can't go.

And they're like, you need to come now. So I was another reason why I would lose shipments before I started going in Columbia. because, you know, the shitmen would come in, but then my source, I can't tell them that it's hot. You know, I don't want to leak that. Right. So I'm like, I can't. I'm busy right now.

It just can't. Things are not right. So, and I get older and be like, hey, my dude told me it's hot. You know, I didn't want to put it on the thing. So. Now that you've got the Columbian Connect, you make, you start making runs. Did you ever use the law enforcement? Like, do you recall a time when they, their information actively helped you evade

getting caught? Yes. So we were going to make a run and my boy had, I don't know how, or if it was just randomly or whatever, and it was just like, hey, let Jason know that we're going to be trolling in this spot for the next week. And that was when I was supposed to go. Now, what was the odds of it that they were looking for me? I don't know. Who knows? But a lot of their contacts was great. Like, they would tell me like, hey, listen, you know, this is what's going on. And then a lot of my law enforcement connects back at home were great because they would have told me whoever got hit. Like nobody knew that this person got arrested.

Right. Because you know as well as I know, a lot of times they don't get booked when they say they're going to cooperate. They hold that booking over them. Yeah. They'll just kick. They'll say, hey, we won't even take it to jail. You start working for us right now.

Nobody will ever know. So my sources were always on point. And then so a lot of times, so this is what's so funny. He says one of the guys in our hometown owns an AC business that's somewhat successful now. And he just was a crash dummy. He would just keep getting busted. And it's just like, you know as well as I know. When you're in the drug game, everybody wants to tell you the gossip.

Everybody wants to talk. Everybody wants to say, so you know all the gossip. And so this boy right here, apparently, you know, he was pretty big on the weed game. And he didn't get into Coke that I know of. But he would get busted all the time, grow houses and stuff. And he was just ratting, but whatever. So my source was like, hey, he got hit again. He got hit again.

And next of you know, you know, he's trying to get close to me. like people, you know, getting close to my people. And I would tell them like, hey, and some of my boys went and listen to me. Next to you know, they got hit. And I'm like, I don't know who you are. Who are you? They're like, oh, dang, don't act that way.

And I'm like, I don't, we never hung out. But I'm pretty much saying like, you're a f***ing idiot for not listen to me. Right. So, you know, like a lot of people get so addicted to it that they can't take the needle out to, you know, back off for a minute. Like reset.

Reset. They don't know how to do it. I was one of those guys. Oh, you were? I didn't know. was like, oh my God, if I don't, if I don't move this 100 pound load through now, I'll never have it again. It's scarcity mindset. That's what I think it is. I think it's less adrenaline, more like, oh, I'm going to lose my customers and then that's how I felt about it.

See, I was opposite. I was always that guy that I'd sit back. Well, you're better at it than me. So the DEA told me when they busted me, they told them, and they're like, dude, especially when they came to me the day I got off, I got my clemency when they were waiting on me. He was like, dude, you're so much fun. He's like, everybody else is like, junkie and like gets on drugs and mess up and make it so easy. He's like, you were so good. He's like, dude, it was so entertaining and so fun tracking you. And they've always told me that. They were like, we were never able to get anybody to wear a wire on you. And I was like, well, that's an honor. You're on point. He was like, dude, he's like not saying that we would never

got you. Yeah. We'd always. His cat and mouse. He says, but he says, you brought the fun back. That's what he told me. Yeah. So, okay. So who now that you're, tell us about how it ramps up, Now that you've got this almost fail-safe system to get the drugs from the Bahamas to Florida coming from Columbia. How long, how long, how many runs do you take before you're ramping up to 100 bricks? Okay. So at this point, you've got to remember we probably made 20 runs between going over and getting small stuff, dry runs, you know, go over there and it never shows up weather, whatever. So we've made like 20. And we've only been intercepted one time.

So we were shooting across. and we're shooting across and the coast car, the 90-foot cutter is over there. So it's like a battleship type. It's a 90-foot cutter, and it looks like a type of a battleship in a way, but it's only 90-foot. So they call the 90-foot cutter. And he's probably like two, three miles off the coast of Bahamas. So the only way they can patrol their waters is if they have a Bahamian on their board. And he has to be on that ship ordered to board our ship.

So he, it's rough. It's so goddamn rough. It's better to run in rough seas than calm because you don't show up on the radar because the seas is so rough. They just, you know, it looks like it's just a big wave. Like you might be, you look like one of the rogue waves or something. So the rougher to seas, the better you're off. I don't know if you ever heard that. Oh, it's just like driving, smuggling in a car.

Yeah. Pouring down rain, cops aren't even out there or they don't want to pull you over. They don't want to pull you over. Yeah. So the rough or the seas, the better it is. It's rough this day. Yeah. Like we can't even get over like 14 mile an hour in a boat bows up and just water just coming.

Like it took us like four and a half hours to get across four and a half five hours. Wow. And you guys are loaded up right now? No, no, no. We're coming over. I'm loaded with money. I see. I'm going over to pick up.

Got it. And he intercepts us a couple miles off. I see him off in the distance. I see him on the radar first. I can see a big glob. So I'm like, that's got to be the big boy. So I start like veering off to the left away from him. So heading a little bit north east.

All of a sudden I see that much coming. dude and actually you know i start seeing it come faster i think dude i just see black smoke rolling out and just be whitewashed like he's it's a cutter it's got a thin haul so they can just cut the waves and go and he's at full throttle i turn my radio off so i try to trim the boats i think as fast as i got was like 17 and he was running probably like 28 30 knots in that rough season he catches me pretty quick and um they they only pull right up and they have these huge binoculars inside so they like they can see my FL numbers. I mean, they're literally 50 feet away from me, 30 feet.

And we're sitting there, you know, like this together. And he's like, can you read my FL numbers? I have to lean over the boat, read them off on the thing. We have to, like, show them our passports like this. So we just hold them up and they got the big binoculars. So I'm assuming they're looking to see whatever. They ask us a few questions, what we're up to, what we're doing, say, hey, we're just coming over fishing.

The weather channel said the weather was supposed to be better than what it was. And they lied. So I'm like, hey, do you all know how long the weather's going to be, you know, bad for? like what's going on like what's the report showing and he's like i'm on the radio like because he's right there talking on the radio because they'll say hey go to channel whatever 30 so you switch over and go okay what's up and he's like i don't know we're heading home our shifts over with something like hell yeah it's over with like my source didn't tell me about this ship here so we go in at this point i'm not going um very rarely i'm going into lekaya anymore so i go into lekaya we do our deal we

come out and the cutter is sitting out there. So I shoot into this little place called Buda Bay. It's a little like a little canal that goes in and there's like this big blue Marlin like resort thing and then it has this little Bahamian has like three or four little cots that you can rent and I know them real good and they have a house

on two stories. So I'm asking, I'm like, trick man. I'm like what's up with old boy? And they're like, man, that boat's been sitting out there. I know. He's like, he told me he's going home. He's like, yeah, he lied to you. And so I'm like, dude, I need to rent a room for a couple days then. He's like, yeah, yeah, I got one. So we're sitting there waiting. And we're sitting up on this

balcony for days, dude, and this boat should sit out there. And the kilos are on the, in the tanks. Yeah, they're in the tanks. And we're watching and watching. I told my boys, I'm like, no, we're not taking nothing home. So we had the drugs on the island. How many, how many did you have? I probably had 20 at this point. Probably 20. Yeah. So 20 bricks is a lot of coke. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, especially like Pierce and, you know, I'm building my clientele back up. So we shoot across and never got intercepted, never nothing. We're like, what? We should have brought it.

Like, what the hell? Dada, so we waited and we went back a couple days later and got it. And so we never had no issues. Like, it was just smooth selling. Like literally, we'd pull right in, load the boat up. I had a boat that I'd hide down there that I used, nobody knew about. So my dudes would be like, man, where are you been the last three, four days? I'm like, dude, I was taking care of stuff.

And they're like, no, you haven't. Where are you been? Like, everybody wants to be so damn nosy. And I'm like, don't worry about where I was at. So how do each load do the each load keeps getting bigger? Yeah. Okay. They get a little bit bigger.

You go from 10 to 20 to. You got to remember. So this is when that happened, that was like my second load come from Columbia. Okay. You know, so before it was only like three, two to three to five sometimes.

You know what I'm saying? They were all small. Now I'm getting into where I'm doing like the Columbia and connect and this is my first run in. Like all this time I've never had a problem with the Coast Guard. Yeah. So this is my first run in. So it's kind of.

got me like what's going on um so anyways we uh start working our way up we're going to go pick up a hundred bricks i get 100 bricks coming in um it's one of my biggest loads when you get it when you get it over to florida when you get these columbian loads over to florida um are your guys the crew that you have on board are they also the ones giving it out to the street or who are your people one of them is not one of them's not the other one is one of them is one's not the one that got the guns no Just a lifelong friend, crash dummy. She never brought him involved. I thought he had his act cleaned up.

He's the one that sold the guns, a couple of the guns to the Bahamians over there. And I'm so mad because they're always wanting ammunition. Like they have a few guns on Ireland, but they can't get ammunition. Like ammunition is like what they want. And I'm thinking to him like, why are you going to sell guns that people were buying for him so they can rob us and kill us? Like, dude, these people are straight killers. And two weeks after he sold the guns, the ATF is already at the plant where the guns came

from. And my dude's like, well, I thought we had an agreement. I'm like, we did. You know, too, my dude and stuff like that. And this dumb ass sells two of the guns and both of them are committed in the murders over there. And it gets back. Yeah. And now the one of the know why two guns ended up in their hands over there and where they come from. So it's causing a problem. Now I'm mad. So now I'm like, dude, you're out. Like, you know, you can't be like no more. How many people are you giving? So when you get it over now, say you get 20, bricks over. That's, you know, you're paying $8,000 a piece, but it's still a lot of work. Are you, are you breaking it down or are you just giving them out?

I want to gone. So what do you? I don't want to. I barely at this point breaking it down anymore. Okay. So just, just because I got such a good price. I'm making such a profit. I'm just selling them a brick. So what are you selling a brick for in Florida? So, they're 28 to $32,000 and pending like whatever. So I would sell them around 26 because I want my guys to be able to do things. I don't want to touch small stuff hardly anymore. Now I'm on a bigger level. So. So you're making, uh, you're tripling your money, over tripling your money. Yeah, we're doing really good. Yeah.

So, like, I'm at the point now, like, why do I want to do a small shit? Yeah. Like, I don't want to do anything less than a key. Like, some of my close boys, I'll break it down some, you know, like quarter keys or whatever. But other than that, I'm getting a point I don't want to touch nothing. Like, I don't want to do none of the small stuff. We're, a lot of my boys, like, we're in the streets.

So we do a lot of, like, street outlaw racing and stuff. Like, we literally, like, racing banshees, racing cars. So I'm in with a lot of, like, you know, hood dudes. and a lot of them racing dudes are all in the dope game. Of course. All of them are. So I'm in with those boys. So now I'm in with a lot better.

So I don't know if you know the code in the streets of racing is like them dudes. Like if you don't pay on a street race or whatever, like your ass is done. Like it's over with. Nobody's going to race you. Like, you know, so like in the banshees, like there was a lot of hood like pulling guns. Not wanting to pay. Like we got out of that quick. But in the street racing, the only way you're going to get gun pulled on you, you ain't paying.

So you're in with a lot of dudes that are really solid, like stand up. up like they're more business types like they don't have half million dollar race car setups because they're small timers right like these boys are traveling from all over to place so so you got a good network yes of people yes so you could off a 20 bricks you can make almost a half a million dollars we're making a good amount of money yeah and so now that I'm in up in the thing now we're having to move money around okay so now it's getting a point so I had to find out a way to get the money to South America. Okay.

So now it's becoming an issue. You couldn't just give it to the cousin in Florida anymore. It's too much money. So they wanted to Costa Rica or Panama. Okay. So what I did was I put it on, found a fishing boat, found a company that would come out of Florida and go fishing down there and come back. A couple companies.

So I had got one, somebody close to me to get a job to get on that boat. So I put the money on that boat and then I have somebody waiting over there to intercept the money when the boat came in over there. In Panama. In Panama, Costa Rica. That's how we were getting all our money out of the country, his own fishing boats. So I would put somebody on a fishing boat to go down there. And that's how.

And you would meet one of their people, one of the Colombians people would be there in the- Because they're lawns. I'm assuming they're lodging their money through those countries. For sure they are. For sure they are. I just know that they didn't want it back in Columbia. They just wanted it to those islands, I mean, not islands, but to those countries. Yeah.

So we would get it in and then I would pay somebody would meet and take the money and then go from there. And obviously that's going to cost you a fee to get that money down. It does. It does cost me. Now I got to pay this guy to, you know, move the drugs. It's cost, you know, it's not a ton of money, but you got to remember if you don't pay people good, they're going to run their mouth and get mad.

When they see you making a ton of money, like you got to make sure I was good about paying people. That's why I never had nobody wear a wire on me, none of my guys close to me. nobody turned on me until the very end until they're looking at 30 years. But by then, we were out of the game. If heads already shut us down. So it didn't matter. But I was good about paying people making sure everybody was taken care of. But the more your cost go up,

the more you're like, well, it's, we need more bricks. Well, no, not necessarily that. You just need more bricks because you know, people are asking for more and it's like, I'm already at this point. But we skipped the big point, though, is because at the very beginning, everybody always told me like, oh man, you've never been in trouble before you're young. The first time you get in trouble, you might do five years. So I was that guy like, you know, at the very beginning, I'd never expected to be on this level.

Let's just be honest. I wanted to be on a smaller level. It just happens, you know, just grows and grows and grows. You get addicted to it, lifestyle. And people are like, what do you mean? Lifestyle, like invited to all the parties, the money, the fame, the everybody wanted to hang out with you, the gossip, you know, it's just everything. So it grew.

And everybody always told me like, oh, the first time in trouble, we were going to get five years. And I'm like, I can do five years. I didn't realize now I'm at the point where I can get 20 years. Like feds, I'm going to do 20 years for this amount of drugs. Like minimal mandatory. Like nobody told me this. So I'm still in my mindset like I got five years. I can do that.

So by then we scheduled it have 100 breaks come in. And we go over to Bahamas and we're staying at this hotel. And I'll never forget. We're walking to the parking lot. In this hotel, we can pull the boat up to it. But there's a parking lot over. were a thing. And so we'd always have like a rental car or scooters or something we'd ride on. So we'd park over there. And I'm walking through the, through the parking lot. And my boy's two ways in front of me.

And this car like pulls up and these dudes like jump out and they like grab me and like throw me in the back and like, you know, one's on top of me and the other ones like jumped in there and like they like drug me through. So now they got me. And I'll never forget. I had the one dude like on top of me. My feet are still hanging out the door. The doors like that. And they like squeal around my boys. and they're just like dumbfounded. I couldn't see them. I was in a car, but they were just told me, they just were like, we didn't know what to do.

Like, we just look back and you're gone. And all of a sudden, you know, like this car's peeling out of the thing. So we didn't know what the hell to do. And I just remember I had my gun in my back pocket and my pants. And I just remember the one dude that was, one was like on top of me, another one's right there. And I just grabbed him and I put his head. And I was like, I'll blow his brains out right now.

So they like stopped. We didn't make it about like probably a quarter mile down the road. But we're still kind of like in a populated area. Right. So I got him to stop and then I had the one dude headlight and I put the gun up to the guy's head the driver and I'm thinking now looking back I tell people at the time like it was the dumbest thing

because now I still kind of got this guy on top of me it could have just took it from me or even knocked it out of my hand. So the driver like stops and I still got the one guy and I put it back on him and they like get off. The dude like gets off me because now I'm threatening to blow a thing out. So I get out of the car

and now I got these three dudes out of the car and I'm out of the car myself. And it happens so fast. And I know when you guys are out of the car, are you back and down? I'm still holding the gun on them. Yeah. You got to remember the driver jumps out first. The one guy's kind of like on top of me.

He gets out and he wants to get the fuck away from the gun. Yeah. So I still got the one guy in the headlock. Well, I should have got out with him still in the headlock backing up. I'd never really been in this situation before. So I kind of like, you know, got out of the car really quick. And now I got all three of them like looking at me. And they're just like just looking.

Like they're not like scared to look, but they're looking at me. I'm thinking like, dude, like this. could go really bad. Like, why don't they have guns? Right. You know, so I don't know if they just don't want to pull them. I can't answer this. I don't know the whole story behind it. So needs to say, they just kind of gave me that look like shaking her head, like, we'll be back type. So I knew like, okay, it's game on. They get in the car and they like do it non-slot, like just walk to the car and like look at what her head's shaking, the one driver and get in the car and they drive away. Well, they had no idea that you were strapped. No, they didn't. And Bohemians,

like, you can't have guns. So maybe they just thought, oh, we don't need guns to this guy. just going to fucking, we'll kidnap them, scare them, beat the shit out of them. So we didn't want to, I went to,

I walked back down to the hotel and I'm like, dude, let's get the, on this boat. We're getting out of here. So we went out and stayed in the ocean

and I had them boys bring the drugs out to me because I was scared to come back in what they were going to do. So we got the drugs on the boat. By then,

now we're having bigger shipments. I'm not bringing them into the dive tanks no more. Okay. So what we started to do is I was going to

start having it set up where we're going to, I was going to get a white ice chest. And off the, in the three poor islands like this, and then at the point has like a long, like sandbar that goes out. That's probably like 30, 40 foot deep, 60 foot. It goes out another like 30 miles. And we were going to do a GPS drop point and like put a ice chest down there

where I was going to have the drugs dropped off to where I'd never come to the island. So I would literally just act like I'm fishing the bank out there, come in, dive, get the drugs, put in the boat and come back. So I never intercepted a boat on the surveillance. on the road or never went to the island never nothing okay so you had the keys you had your sources the columbians no i was going to have the behemians my source i see a thing put the drugs in the thing for right and then or have a different set of guys go over to the island do that and then i come pick it up and then they go back empty-handed but i'd never go i never got to that point yet this is what we're

setting up because we're getting on the bigger level at this point there's weed lines so i don't know if you know what a weed line is so with different currents so like all the trash, the weeds, the grass and ocean currents come together, create weed lines. So you fish them, you patrol down them to catch fish. So they're periodically every so far out in the ocean. And so when you come, you put a tracking device on the drugs. So you throw it off. So you'll have your boys fishing, like somebody else in a boat fishing one of those weed lines. You have a tracking device on the boat so they kind of know where you're coming across so they can kind of get close lined up. And then you throw off, you know, like we'll agree like the furthest weed line out, we'll throw

it off. So as soon as I throw it off, the beacon gets set, they just keep coming down. They intercept the beacon. Why I'm coming in empty loaded. So I don't stop. As I'm coming up on it, I just throw the dope off. I keep coming. They're trolling down. They might be a half mile, mile away. And they just troll and intercept it, put it on the boat, finish fishing rest of day. I come in empty loaded. Although the problem with that is when the people, when your boys come in, they are loaded, where are they keeping the keys, just in this ice chest? So, yeah, they're just keeping it in a hidden spot on boat, like not even really a hidden spot. Just, just throw it in one of the containers because there's no reason for them to really be boarded or search like that because they only went out

15 miles. You see what I'm saying? Like, so when you go out 15 miles, the only thing that the cops are really going to look is really just in your ice chest, like, see what kind of fish and what size. So you're literally going to have like spots in your hall where you get like your village pumps and stuff. You could tuck this in everywhere. There's no reason for them to search your boat like Yeah, you weren't by the Bahamas. No. And you didn't even meet up with another boat. No.

Like, you're just, do hundreds of people go out 15 miles every day to fish. Every day. Especially off the coast of Florida. There's boats everywhere. There's boats everywhere. Yeah. Now, once you get past 30 miles, yeah, you're sitting duck out there.

Right. But close in, there's people everywhere. So you don't have to worry about none of that. Wow. So, you know, like, there's all different ways. That's why I said, like, for this to say that they don't do it, they're doing it. Now that the border shut down, two Bahamas is cranking right. I guarantee that it's the biggest shipping.

It will be 80s all over again. Yes. Talk about that. I see, I'm seeing the news every day now. There's big bus coming out of the bombs. I want to start a non-profit beach cleaning business is what I want to do. No,

no, no, no, no. I'm not this plan. I'm being sarcastic. This is like an AA meeting. I got to talk you off the ledge. I'm your sponsor. You don't want to do that. The thing is what I'm saying is, no, I'll get a life sentence next.

There's no more in the jury for me. I'm being sarcastic. What I'm trying to say. say is that people make it sound like this can't happen no more. And you're hearing my story about how easy it was for me to do it. Okay. And the thing about it is, is that all you got to do is learn from my law enforcement connects that they're not going to intercept you in the middle of ocean. Okay. They're going to wait until you get closer in to intercept you. And I'm going to get a story how they did it. And all you have to do is set up the systems like I did, you know, linked with

everybody, have a system or how you contact each other, have it hidden. You don't even show up. a lot of people don't want to go to these steps. You're cutting in more people. You're costing more money. But it's just like the cartels, you know, they have all these different steps to make it happen. And they'll evolve. They'll evolve.

Like, I think people just, we think about Caribbean, Colombian, Miami drug trafficking, like in the 80s where they just loaded 2,000 kilos on an airplane and then went and dropped them in the middle of Florida. And that was really easy and flashy. And it just does an opportunity.

operate like that anymore. But it doesn't mean that you can't get it in. Maybe even at that level, you just- You still fly it in. I'm gonna tell you what I did. Oh, wow. So while- You were full of surprises. So while we were doing this, okay? So I'm thinking like, damn, dude, the weather thing's becoming an issue. You know, all this other stuff. So I would rent planes every once in a while and fly over. And I was purchased the plane at this time and I was trying to get my pilot license, but I get motion sickness in a backseat of a car. If I'm not driving the boat, I get seasick. I couldn't I get my license. So what we did was is we were, I was going to work on getting it, but I was renting a plane for my, for one of my birthdays. We rented a plane. We flew her for 10 days, I think it was,

a pilot in the plane. And we went island hopping and we had a good time. And we came back. And that's how it all started. Because, you know, I said the plane thing is out of reach. Like, it cannot happen. We fly back in the Fort Lauderdale to customs, to one of their airports. And And literally, so all the pilot does get out and opens up all the hatches to, you know, like the hatches to everything, leaves the door open. We go inside, go to customs. And I'm watching. I can see through the glass, the plane. And the dude goes out and just writes the FL numbers down off the plane, you know, or the whatever number is on it and looks.

Does he even go on the plane, doesn't up and walks back in. We go back out, get in the plane. We fly off to our airport and then we unload everything. Nothing was ever searched. So I did it again. Same thing. So we went to a different airport customs. I'm like, dude, this is crazy.

So I'm like, what if we had built some cylinders, like diamond-shaped like they do the stealth? Like, you know, you can Google it to find out how they do stealth things. So they're like, do diamond shape, you know, like, ping, ping, make it like rounded like thing. I'm like, I could fit 20, you know, stack, make them about yay big where you stick a bunch of keys. And as you're coming, you just drop them bitches. You know, like fly because, you know, like, we've like had to, like, fly in and, like, do something. We didn't have to fly just straight to the airport. Yeah.

Like, it was crazy. And I asked a pilot, and he's like, no, man, he's like, when you come back in, you just have to land, you can't whatever. So I'm thinking like, why couldn't we like flying to a certain spot, like right in evening time and drop these in the same spot with tracking devices on them? Right. Like closer to, like, right at the beach where they wash up or have a boat fishing right there on the beach or something. Like something really simple and have like tracking devices where they float and then they don't show up on the radar or something like something. Like it's, I Google it and it's simple to do it and not pop up. And like they had to be so big.

It looked like a, like nothing on the radar or like a bird they said. So I'm thinking like, damn, we can just do that and drop them bitches out of the plane. And so? And I'm like, okay, let's look into doing this. So I was thinking about like flying it, boating it. So I heard the plane thing doesn't work. It's a fly. It works.

People are still doing it. So did you fly in bricks? I never did. So you never did it. I never got to that point because when I got kidnapped, we were going to plan on start trying to do some operations that way. we're in the process of having my boy build the cylinders. I was going to build like four of them where you can fit, like 15 bricks in each one of them.

And instead of going across in a boat and dealing with it, because we can get out of their airport, no problem. Their airport has no security note. I can get it. I can get in and out of that thing, no problem. After you get kidnapped, you're there to get 100 bricks to pick up 100 keys. You still got them to the States? I got them to the States.

I got them to the States. So I did 100 bricks. He got 25. So I got 75. Yeah. So I bring him to the States. to the States. I distributed out. So I had a little lead time because I had plenty of time to get rid of it or whatever, you know, some time. So I was kind of shaking up and I was like, we got to

switch this up. Like we're not going into the city anymore. We're not doing none of that. So somebody had got the drop. Clearly, you know, your connection in the Bahamas, this guy that runs the gambling, you know, he's talking to people. He's paying off guys at the ports. Yeah. Everybody's gossiping that this white boy is now starting to bring a lot of weight. Yeah. So you think you got kidnapped or an attempted kidnap for, what, for ransom or for product? Never, never found that. Who knows, right?

Who knows? I'm assuming they were probably wanting to kidnap me to get the product. Yeah. Products worth more than anything. Of course. I was told, dude, that we were ruffling some feathers on the island because we were cutting them out and we had a connect coming in and they didn't have it. So I'm assuming it came from whoever he was selling the dope to.

Right. Or somebody at the port. I can't pinpoint exactly who it's come from. And I got thinking if it was to port, then why don't they do it? rob that movement or take my shipment. So I'm assuming what it is. Now this guy's dropping off, you know, coming up with kilos of cocaine on the island and giving the people.

And then they're like, well, who's he hanging out with? And it's like every time these white boys show up, this dude's got weight. So I'm assuming that that's the route that it came from. Yeah, these aren't pros. This is just some ghetto. Just some ghetto. Just some ghetto because it doesn't seem like they're very organized. A car was pretty busted.

So I was like, dude, we got to switch everything up. and then so the next time so here's it here's a crazy thing about it so when we go over there on a short trip they would always they would always want like the hamians over there so i do trade out for fish and stuff so they would want like bud wiser in a bottle and like chicken wings and like all this because it costs so much money to import stuff over there it costs a lot of money so i what i would do is i would trade the locals fish so i would pull in there into there and get like trade them all this stuff and then i would get a cooler full of fish. Right.

So it looked like I had conk, lobster, fish, everything. Like, I've been on a long fishing trip. So if I went home, like, I'd go over there and pick up and come home. I didn't have much time to fish or the fishing was suck. You know, I didn't want to go home empty hand. And we get pulled over and be like, you went to Bahamas? You got no fish? Right.

So I would literally go over there and hand them a cooler and they would load it down with everything you can think about. And then I would give them that stuff. So we went into town into that part again to get to, you know, trade out. So we have the cooler. I got remember now this is on the second shipment of the big shipment coming in and I'm trained now and so I waited a while this time I didn't check in I didn't do anything I'm like I don't want nobody know I'm here like so if they probably know the drugs are coming in who cares but they don't know what I'm coming in

somehow these no I don't know how they know or where it came from so I show up we stay at Lakaya or I mean Buda bay we come in around to do our thing drop off the stuff get our switch out and literally walking across the parking lot with this cooler, dude, and I look out of corner my eye, and I see this dude just like, you know how you had that look like he's coming right for you? And I'm just watching, he gets closer and I just watch and do this,

and I was just, I dropped that thing, dude, I took off running around the vehicle, and he's just chasing me, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop. I'm assuming they think in the drugs in the cooler. Yeah, of course. My boy took off one way. I took off the other way around the damn thing, dude, and he pops.

It gets like four or five rounds, maybe that out. So I don't know if he ran out, bullets or bit jammed. And so I just kept going, dip in between the cars. She's, bum, bum, bum, bum, boom, dude, the car's parking lot. It was gone.

Got on that boat got up out of there. So we ended up getting the dope, getting all our stuff, getting home, and that's when I was like, I'm over it. I'm done with this. I can't do it anymore? Next time you're going to get killed. Yeah, they're going to get me eventually. Yeah. So it's like, do I keep, continue to do it?

Do I switch it up? You know, how I go about doing it. So I come home and trying to figure this whole game out. You got to remember, I got grow houses going on. We're working on a big deal out of California, moving a bunch of marijuana out of there. So, you know, I have other avenues of stuff going on. You diversified, yeah. Yeah, but you got to remember, I'm sitting on millions of dollars of money.

I don't really care. My lifestyle is pretty cheap. And it's just like there's got to be a different way of doing this. This is getting to the point where, you know, these guys on this island don't give a shit. Like, you know, they just want to fast come up. They're not going to let me do it. I'm not, I feel like I'm not paying off the right person or I'm not involved with the right person. Like, this guy has a lot of pool politically wise, but doesn't have a lot of pool.

control on the island. With the gangs. With the gangs. Right. So it's like getting to the point where he's not protecting me or telling me, point me in the right direction. He doesn't know who it is. I'm talking to him and he's acting like he don't know. I mean, it's getting to the point where is it worth it anymore. Right. You know, so I'm back at that level again of just like, this is getting out of control. And you've got a daughter now. Yeah, she was eight months, six or eight months old at the time. And I remember laying on my chest and I was just like, I can't do it anymore. It's changing you.

Yeah. So, like, you know, so I fly down to Columbia to talk to my boy. And so we, Columbia's pretty wild. So I'll tell you a story. It's pretty wild. So we went down there one time to talk, to gociate a shipment. And I try to stay out of Columbia as much as possible because, you know, you can't get past customs.

And I didn't want my passport stamped a lot with it. So I had, um, went down there. and I remember finally getting to go to like third place. So we went to this like condo building, 13 stories, 12 or, no, 11 stories tall, had Wacken Hut security going in at the bottom. It had 11 stories. And each floor was like 35 or 4,500 square foot apartment. So the elevator opens up to each one of them.

Every one of them is a family member. Wow. F.A. lives on the top. Holy. I'm saying like the head guy, the one lived on the top. and then the top of the roof had like a swim pool tennis court and everything on the roof and so we are invited up to the last floor that night for dinner and i'll never forget they had like little like servants you know like girls in there like little maids and stuff and like

cooking the food and like you know bringing us the food out on the balcony um and we're like looking over the city because they're like off on the mountain side looking down and um i'll never forget like wuz big old mushroom cloud comes up and i'm like dude what is world that and they're like, oh, it's just somebody getting a message. I'm like a message. I'm thinking like, what? In Orleans, like, yeah, that's just a car bomb. And so I'm like, dude, that's pretty crazy.

So we ended up going out. Was it this trip or the time before? It might have been the time before. And we were out one night. We're out in the nightclubs. And, you know, we got the guard security with us and everything else and everything. So what are we can't do without them? So we go outside.

It's probably like 1, 2 o'clock in the morning. And we're at like with a little taco stand, like a three-wheel bicycle. We're out there outside and everybody's hanging out, dude. And like, you know, everybody's on scooters and cars everywhere. And I just never forget. I heard pop, pop, pop, and I turn around and look behind me. They went like 10 feet behind me. This dude just goes down to the ground.

And I watch this dude just walk to a scooter, get back on and drive off. And I mean, it's just like you see in the movie. So like car bombs are still going off down there. And so I've watched dudes get, you know, executed right in front of me. So there was this nightclub. that we went to that was pretty cool. The next time we went down, I was like, hey, let's go back to the nightclub. And they're like, no, we can't go there. I'm like, wow. He's like, it's shut down. I was like, what happened? He's like, oh, well, you know, rival, you know, didn't like what

was going on. So when they were all lined up to go in that night or whatever, I guess somebody rode by, had somebody ride by and throw grenades at, you know, at the line of people out front to keep, you know, shut their b-down. So, like, it's wild down there. Yeah, and this was still at the time when there was still violence in Colombian cities. Now, all of that, that's done. Really? In Kali, it's done. It's all in the periphery.

It's all in the jungle between like the ex-garillas who now are just became drug traffickers. They made a peace deal with the government. And now there's all these different factions in the south, in the southeast, in the port of Buenaventura. Like all, it's all the rural areas now that have a kind of violence. But back then, even back in 2007, 2008, Kali was still super violent. I got a lot of videos from there that I took. The feds took a lot of them. They went and gave them back to me.

me when they took my computers. They gave me quite a few of them. I got pictures of one of Papa Escobar's houses down in Columbia. I've got pictures of being like out in the jungles, like there's some wild stuff. We went to this restaurant and ate up in the mountains up in the jungle and everybody says you don't go up in the jungle, like up in this area, like an out thing, but they had a ranch up like in the jungle up in the mountains or whatever ranch up there. So we ate at this place. And I want to say it was like a week or two later, my boy tells me like, hey, you realize the fart came in there and took everybody? Like they kidnapped everybody at this restaurant.

Like went in there and held everybody and took them into the junk and kidnapped them. Like that's how serious it is there. That's the reason. Yeah. So, you know. So you were, man, you basically put your hand up and said, I'm out. I retire. Yeah.

So that also too. So during the last couple shipments and what was going on, my intel was telling me that law enforcement was kind of owned my operation a little bit. Because the reason why we were going to start moving from. the ice chest and not going to the islands because my sources were telling me that law enforcement was started catching on to what was going on. It's kind of like a spot that kind of got skipped over a little bit because we were switching up due to the amount of drugs, but I also didn't want to go to island no more because my sources are saying that somebody was talking and to this day, I'm going to do a podcast with one of the guys, law enforcement guys, but he still won't

tell me who it is. So apparently has to be somebody really good or somebody, I don't know why. normally they gave up everybody else to me but some reason they won't tell me to who this person is there was DEA on the island in the Bahamas that was looking at you tell me nothing oh wow so all I know is that they were on to my operation trying to figure me out for sure I came in one time towards the end we came in loaded loaded and as we're coming in Jupiter inlet one of the sheriff boats was coming out we're going to the inlet he comes he turns in right behind us so we're going in and there's like tiger woods places right here and stuff so like there's a canal that veers off and you come in.

There's a road, a railroad tracks, and it kind of veers again, and, you know, you make the left to the boat ramp there. And time when you start making that left, the helicopter's flying above us. Still got the sheriff boat behind us. So I tell my boys, I'm like, listen, the boat ramp's kind of crowded and there's people in the dock. I'm like, do not say nothing. We don't know who's who on this thing.

They could be agents acting as guys that are tying up a boat or fishing. I'm like, we don't know, so don't say nothing. By now, our stomachs are just in our throats. Like, we don't, we're just silent. We're not even talking. We pull up. You see two deputies across the parking lot. I'm just like, dude, it's on.

Like, I'm waiting for everybody. Just jump out on us. I'm loaded down. So we load the boat up. We pull out. And I'm like, they haven't pulled us over. The cops didn't get him behind us. So I'm like, dude, this is crazy.

So I literally start driving to go park the boat at the place. Like, we're not unloading the drugs off. We're not doing nothing. We don't know if it's the surveillance or what. Like, we're not doing it. So we parked a boat, we leave, nothing happens. So I was sitting there like, holy, this is crazy. So I go back in the middle of the night.

We get the drugs off the boat. Nothing happened. So I'm like, dude, this is wild. So we're planning another trip. And my boy tells me like, so we're riding around. I had this Jeep lifted up Jeep. And we were right around on Sundays. And I'm at a gas station and going to put some gas in this thing.

And one of my cousin's boyfriends flies into the parking lot. It's like, hey, man, I've been trying to find you. I didn't want to call you. Dude, he's like, listen, your next door neighbors to one of your buildings has, we knew one of the sons. It was like, hey, they've been, they raided your place last night. And I'm like, what? So I'm like, what do you mean, right? He's like, dude, I don't know.

You need to go talk to him. So I show up at his place and his dude won't answer. It won't tell me nothing. Like, he's like, I don't want to talk to you. So I go to find the son. And the son's like, listen, we got surveillance. My dad had in his shop, they have like race cars and stuff. And he has like a bed there.

So he'll get drinking too much or whatever. And he'll just crash out in his little office apartment. And he has surveillance cameras. So he woke up in the middle of the night to take a piss. And he's seen like, like, flashlights on this big TV thing. So he's like, what the hell's going on? You open door. Like, hey, what are you doing out here?

And they're like, who are you? What are you doing? Put a flashlight in his face. Like, you know, where I was like my surveillance camera. So then they had a deputy sit there and put a flashlight and the camera. So he couldn't see what's going on. So when they left and they said there was a guy running around naked and they were trying to find them, you know, stay inside or whatever. They gave him some story.

So we watched the surveillance. You'll see a van pull up and you see these two guys get out of the van. Side door pops open. Two guys jump out with his bag, this d'a written across them. And then you can see him go out of surveillance up towards where my boat was at. So apparently they were putting something on my boat. So I'm like, let's go, do it. Let's set these.

So I get on my phone and tell my boys, I'm like, hey, listen, be ready at 3.30 in the morning. My boy said the fishing's good. So I went got the boat around 11 o'clock and I brought it back to the house. And I took a water hose and sprayed the inside of it. And the reason why I did that is because after 10 o'clock, we get humidity. It do sets in real good. So everything covered wet anyways, but I want to make sure it was going to be good and wet. So around 3.30 morning I woke up.

I told my boys, I went seeing them and was like, hey, listen, don't get ready. We're not going nowhere. It's just a setup. So 3.30 morning I get up and there's footprints. You can see like wet footprints where they left a little dirty marks in it. So I'm like, oh, they were in my boat. Wow. So I took the boat to my boys shop and we backed in and closed the bay and locked it up and my home went to bed.

We tore it up. It's a port. We could not find this. We could not find a tracking device in it. Could not find it. But it was probably in there. It was in there. Yeah.

So what we did was then, so we did it one more time. But this time I didn't go to all the steps of seeing if they did or not. We hauled ass and went fishing. We didn't go. We just went to the Bahamas. and fished the banks and we came back. And when I was coming back, they were waiting for me. So two of the 37 foot cutters, the Midnight Expresses,

which was known for a drug smuggled back in days. Now U.S. Customs took that company, put the owner in prison, Midnight Express, got put in federal prison for life. Wow. And now they have his boats for their customers. Yeah. Wow. So the two Midnight Expresses come up, 37 footers with the quads or trips on the back.

And they went ahead of like a 50 cow on the front of it, dude. And I seen them coming. So as we're coming in, we're about two miles from the inlet. And I seen, like, these boats coming, like, with lights on them, dude. So I, like, try to, like, veer a little bit. And I, like, trim the motors where it shoots up the rush and gets you the fast. And I start taking off, dude, and they get me. And I was acting like I was running from them in a way.

So they get close, and I throttle down. They come up. They get on board. And they make us, like, put her hands on top her head in or lock them. And they get, put, like, held us a certain way in front of the boat. And I remember, like, kept turning around looking. And he kept like, what are you doing? I told you look forward or whatever.

And I watched him put a little black bag on my boat, something like they're setting me up. And they get on the boat and they took my two other boys and set him down on the back. And these were boys I didn't drug smuggle with. It's just we want fishing. You know, just went fishing or whatever. So they set them down. And they're like, what the is going on? So I'm thinking the cops are going to like, you know, take my boat in, pull it in.

So they're like, no, you're driving. So I'm driving. So I have three cops on my boat, you know, customs, DA customs on my boat. And they got their guns drawn on us all the time. So I throw all the boat and get in it. They take both their boats and put them on both sides. So the front of their boats are about middle ways on my boat. And I swear to you, Cesar were a little rough that day.

They kept their boats within 12 to 18 inches from like south of the boat. As my boats work like this, they're working. I don't remember them hitting my boat one time, kept it that close. we came in and I'm heading to the Coast Guard because we went out of Fort Pierce. And so we went in and I had to the Coast Guard station and they're like, no, you ain't there. We're not going there. I'm like, well, where we're going? They're like, where you park at?

We know where you park. So we pull over. It's right across from Little Jim Bridge and there's like a bar across street and we pull in. It's got four boats left. So they already had two of them shut down. And there was 17 or 19 agents waiting. And literally a crowd. In the time I was done, there was probably 400 people.

and I'll never forget, we're sitting on the end of the little floating docks, they're tearing my boat apart. They found my buddy's one hitter, a little pot and one hitter, and they're tearing this boat apart. Do they go through the tanks? No, I didn't have no dive tanks on there. Oh, okay. It would have been interesting to see if they had.

So they knew about the dive tanks because they said something about it to me eventually. That's what I'm saying. I didn't know who the source was because it's like, if the source was that good, why didn't they ever bust me? Right. That's what threw me off. So they were tearing the boat apart And then there was I remember 17 or 19 of them

Because one would come up and be like Hey Jason what's up blah blah and I'm like listen I'm not answering your questions That's the third one I'm like y'all quit talking to me They just kept trying to come up and be my friend and talk to me And I think it was to see they get something different out of me So they would never talk into my other buddies And they kept like they pat us down

Run the dogs through us run the dog like thing They got drills just pulling every lap Pulling everything they can't Cutting all the cocking on every I mean They're tearing my boat to pieces. So this goes on for a while. They go up. They go back to the boat.

They started on it again. By then, it's like two hours end. So I'm like, dude, this is getting crazy. So I'm like, I got to use the bathroom. So they're like, okay. So I walk over behind the little dumpster to let me go. Meanwhile, they've already patted me down and ran the dog to me twice. The time I leave, they want to pat me down and run the dog on me one more time.

I'm like, dude, this is getting crazy. So as I walk over behind the dumpster, I take a piss, because there's too many people by the bathrooms over here and I'm not going. There's this white, I'll never forget, Yukon, like on the stock chrome 20-inch rims that they have or whatever. And it was totally murdered out windows. And I just remember just pointing right at my boats and all the other agent I'm marked cars or everywhere else. But this one's like front and center. And as I'm walking back, he gets out. And it was just like bald, dude, goate, big belly on him.

Yeah. And he's like, you come here. Dog the bounty hunter. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Something like that, a little different, but bald. And he's like, you come here. and I look behind me and like who are you talking to there's nobody behind me I'm like which one point him out he's like come here dumb ass and he said something like that to me so I walked up he says so you're gonna tell me

where these drugs are at I said I don't I don't do drugs sir and he's like I know they're on that boat I said sir there's nothing on that boat he says so you're not going to help me to das and no he said well I got something for he says I know do you got some other troubles coming down the pipeline you know coming out so apparently something was going on you know and I'm like well listen here dude I said I don't know he said but you can't you can't can help me out and I can make a lot of things go away. I said, well, I don't have nothing, sir. And so he got mad and I said, you're done with me?

And he said, yeah, so I walked back down to my boat and he calls all the guys up. And I remember him saying, he had that little bag with a couple of chunks of things. And he throws it down and he's like, you're going to tell me that's how you found on that effing boat. Go find all them drugs on that boat now. So they tear my boat apart again. So eventually, on the way in, I had called my attorney. I forgot this part.

So I called my attorney and I had my phone and I'm like, you know, because I, I, got an agent here, an agent right there behind me. So I kind of get my phone and I hit Brooke. And then I put up my thing. I see if she answers. And like, what are you doing? I'm like, dude, I'm calling my family. I don't know I'm back.

Like, chill out. Like, Brooke, they got me. If you don't hear from me, you know, you know what to do. And she's like, what do you mean? I said, I don't know. The U.S. Customs has got me in the DEA. So I, so she's on the phone trying to figure out what's going on with me because I'm missing for four hours. And so they finally searched about one more time.

And they're done. They're like, okay, you can go. And here's my little arrogance cockiness. So, you know, I'm young, brand new F-250, badass offshore boat. I backed the boat. You can chang in. And I'm sitting there. When I blew smoke, the tires coming up or whatever,

and I told them one day if they work hard enough, they can have something nice like this. Wow. You know, like, so I'm just like whatever. So the writing was on the wall. You got out of the game. Yeah. They were going to pop you eventually, just like they do.

It's a cat and mouse game. What did you, did you tell your Columbian Connect, you were out? So I made a trip down there because at this point, you know, I have the money, man, I'm laundering the money, you know, I'm laundering the money. You know, I'm laundering money through renovating houses, starting businesses. So now I got, I got other avenues, you know, income coming in. So a lot of people ask me how I launch your money. I would literally buy a house.

I would finance a house, like find one need a lot of renovations. And I put this least amount of money I could put down on it. I start off. First I started out laundering my money is buying like boats, cars, stuff, you know, small things so you can pay cash. And all I wanted was a check back.

I didn't care if I lose a little bit of money on it. Of course. It just wanted that. So I got enough money, checks put in the bank because they don't question checks. So now I can finance a house. So I finance a house and then it needs $100,000 renovation. I put $100,000 of drug money into it

because they don't know what you did to it. They just know you bought it. And all of a sudden, you might get a good deal, dismination. So I started launching my money that way. Full businesses, long businesses are great because in a pool business, the equipment is cheap. Then you can go to

other pool companies and buy all their accounts. They'll sell them to you for $5,500, $1,500 account. So you give them cash, buying their accounts. Now you have a revenue coming in. So you start buying your coring, your chemicals, half of your gas. So like, say you have like $3,000 a week in expense, just saying, yeah, $1,500 of it you're going to pay in cash. Right. Whether you're going to run to your business so it looks like you're costing something. So you're laundering even more money. Now you're you got all this legit stuff. So I have other stuff going on. Yeah.

So go down to Columbia and I tell them, you're like, hey, this is the deal, blah, blah, blah. And they're like, listen, find another way, you know, like everything's good on this end. They don't want you to quit. They don't want me to quit because they're like, you know, well, the thing is, is how often do you find running somebody that has a way to get something in a port and you expose something? Of course. They're looking for a million of these. Because at the end of the day, if you think about it, I've never heard that all the time I did in prison,

besides the Forres brothers, that actually had. like doing something big. Everybody's doing 100, 200, 300, 300 kilo things and they have multiple ways they're getting it in. I've never really heard a story where they're getting hundreds of keys in one way. Yeah. It's always doing 20, 30, 50 keys all done to small different ways, you know, low key and they ended up with 500 at the end of the day. Yeah, no, they had a drug route and they don't want you to quit. Were you scared to let them know that you were out?

Like, how did you eventually let them know, like, hey, no, the answer is no. At this point, I wasn't 100% all the way out. It just became to a point that I was done mentally, but I was still, the options were on the table trying to find another way. Like, can we do this without this happening? And then the other business opportunity came. And that was a problem. So we're going to go over to Patreon to talk about. Jason, that was incredible, man.

That's like, I mean, yeah, we haven't heard a story like that. What eventually, did you hang on to any of that money? Did you hang on? years later. Okay. So what, what's been the aftermath, you know? What's your life now? Okay.

So I'm going to explain this to you. So the thing is, is like, people always ask, is there any money left over? So what the feds don't take, your attorneys are going to take. Okay. Yeah. So I was at the gas pump one day and one of the guys that I asked advice for how to do the drugs muggling because he went to the feds. And he's like, I've been waiting to bumpings.

This two will not talk on the phone for nothing. And he does not want to be seen at my house. So he catches me at a guy. gas station. He's like, I've been waiting to run into you. He goes, I heard you're going to take the fed to trial. And I'm like, yeah. And he's like, you're an idiot. Don't do it. He's like, listen, take a plea deal and just do your time and get it over with. And I'm like, no, this. And we're going to talk about why I took it. He says, let me explain something to you how the feds work. He says, what they're going to do is, he says, they figured out kind of how

much money you made. They've been doing this for a long time. So they have a mathematically equation, kind of a roundabout number. Then they're going to say a normal person that this lifestyle spends this amount of money. So they're going to figure out kind of what you have left through wiretaps and everything else. So they, um, he said they're going to come up with it. Then they're going to tell your attorneys like, hey, listen, this is your attorneys. This is what he's got left, blah, blah, blah. And I talk about in my TikToks and stuff about how they corrupt your attorneys and why your attorneys turn on you because you pay him cash. Yeah. So what they'll do is it'll let you hire an attorney. And then they're going to come to your attorney when they're fighting for you and everything else and be like,

so you know where he's getting his money from? And they're going to, of course, they're going to be like, no, we don't know. So they're going to say, well, listen, here's the deal is. If he, because if you're not cooperating right off the rep and you hire an attorney and they start filing motions, they're going to approach them and say, hey, listen, you know where the money's coming from? And they're going to say, listen, if we can prove one penny of that money's ill-gotten gains, we're going to hit you with money laundering.

Attorney? Yes. And I know this from a source. It happened to my attorney. So I had Young Thugs attorney before Young Thug did, Brian Steele, out of Georgia. and he laid down on me. What is laid down on you? You mean?

Lay down means he quit, you know, fighting, but fighting. So somebody, a good source from there in a circle, had contacted somebody close and said that the feds had went to him and said that if you don't make them lose a trial or take a plea deal, we'll hit you with money laundering if he wins because we know that he gave you old gotten gains. So that's so, the system is so dirty. You're never going to hear that story from nobody else. And that's how it works.

So like the wire taps in my whole situation. During the drugs, my own days, they were never able to get me on a wiretap. And the reason why is because, you know, TikTok again in the videos, they say, oh, you can't do the email things. Well, why didn't they ever get me on the emails? Why didn't they ever know?

The only reason why they knew about the email things is because when they took my computers later on and through, you know, like whatever, they found out. But they still didn't know how it all works. But they can't stop it. And another thing that you've got to realize is your wiretaps. wiretaps go down to it takes they have to investigate you there's only two ways they can get a wiretap is if it's too dangerous you can look it up it's too dangerous to um surveillance you so like cartels are

a lot really dangerous so they'll go to the judge and say hey judge we can't intercept him or get close because it's too dangerous to put our agents in there to get killed or what they say is is they say hey um we've surveillance him for months we can't get nothing but we know something's going on we need a surveillance and then he'll prove it and then every two weeks they have to go back in front of them. So the way to beat them is, is every two weeks, you got to get a new burner phone. But when people cooperate, you can't beat a cooperation, because every time you get a new phone, guess what they got? The number. They got the number. Yeah, that's the hardest part. The person's like, you whatever. So at the end of the day,

they could do nothing without snitches. They could do nothing without snitches. There's nothing they can do without somebody cooperating. Not any, cops don't, or not cops no more. I've seen you do a podcast with Fresh, the Boys out of Miami. Byron. Yeah, Byron. So he's pretty cool cat love his thing's the red pill thing so you asked him a question on something about like um cooperative you know like do you all if you don't have a somebody that cooperates or you know somebody working with you how do you do and he's like oh police in ways no i don't know no cop all the cops i know you can ask my girl they all talk to me they all shake my hand to this day they all like

do your stories are great we follow all your content we love it and he's like old copying is not we don't do that no all we do is just flip people yeah because that's all we do the drug dealers are the cops now yeah so he's like he's like listen to him why am i going to go do cop work and all I got to do is flip somebody he's like I don't want to go out there and work you guys do it all I do is look at somebody target him like okay and you know and that's the thing about it is it's like you know you just got to stay on top of your game and you got to think about what you're doing um because wiretaps you know I go into like the wiretap thing so people tell me all the time they can't break into iPhones I watched him plug my iPhone into a thing and literally

within five minutes they were strolling in my iPhone I mean I got my iPhone number mixed up. I think it was a five at the time. They took it in 2011. So whatever the iPhone was at that time. And they said that like, oh, back then they could do whatever. They didn't have AI in all the technology now. AI should be able to hack anything within seconds. It's so fast. So people argue about me with that. And I watched them on eyes. I watched the feds. It gave the content right in. I mean, look at that terrorist guy out there in Santa Barbara or wherever in California that they went to iPhone and iPhone said, we're not going to get in it or whatever. And they wanted you to believe it. Then they just hired a hacker to get into it.

I got in there. So if they can get one, get in there, you know, come on. You didn't think they didn't figure out of the back way and they did now. So it's all a lie. They want you to believe it. My man, where can, uh, we're going to go over now to the bonus because we're going to talk about the pill journey and how you eventually do go to the feds. Where can they find you on TikTok? Plug all your socials because you are one of the best follows right now.

Okay. So eight up Jason is my TikTok and eight up J on Instagram. Eight up Jason. Yes. And eight up, J. It's the letter A, J. Got it. You know, up and J.

The reason I do is my last name is pretty hard spell, but you can put in Jason Botchback on anything, and it does pop up. Yeah, and those links are going to be in the description. Yeah, and we're hoping to see a series out of this, man. Oh, there's going to be one soon. You know, thank you so much for coming in, dude. Thank you. That was sick.

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