The Connect- with Johnny Mitchell - Sinaloa Cartel Drug Trafficker On Moving 500 Kilos A Month, 30 Years Selling Cocaine For EL MAYO

Episode Date: March 15, 2026

Johnny sits down with “El Diablo,” an active high-ranking member of the Sinaloa cartel, for a rare and intense conversation about the realities of the modern drug trade. El Diablo talks about how he got started at just 14 years old, how cartel loyalty works, the logistics of moving cocaine from Colombia through Mexico and into the United States, and why he believes staying low-key kept him out of prison for over 30 years. He also breaks down how distribution networks operate across the U.S., how money is moved and laundered, the role of trucking and logistics, internal cartel politics, and why major arrests and killings rarely stop the flow of drugs. Toward the end, he opens up about the personal cost of the lifestyle, the violence, betrayal, and fear that come with it, and why he says he’s finally ready to walk away. This is one of the most raw and eye-opening interviews yet on The Connect. Topics covered: -cartel life -cocaine trafficking -Sinaloa cartel, border smuggling -cartel loyalty -money laundering -trucking routes -drug distribution -organized crime -leaving the game This Episode Is #Sponsored By The Following: Ava! Take control of your credit today. Download the Ava app, and when you join using MY promo code CONNECT20, you’ll get 20% off your first year—monthly or annual, your choice. Nic Nac! Get Nic Nacs at https://nicnac.com/johnny and use code Johnny for 20% off, or use the store locator to find Nic Nacs near you. If you use nicotine, Nic Nac is the discreet way to do it. Hims! To get simple, online access to personalized, affordable care for ED, Hair Loss, Weight Loss, and more, visit https://hims.com/CONNECT Join The Patreon For Bonus Content! https://www.patreon.com/theconnectshow 00:00 Introduction: Keys to Cartel Life 01:36 Meet El Diablo: Cartel Insider 05:17 El Diablo's Early Days & Entry 13:27 The Art of Moving Up & Staying Out 16:59 This Episode Is Sponsored By Ava! 18:28 Building U.S. Networks & Customer Bases 31:59 This Episode Is Sponsored By Nic Nac! 33:07 Cartel Logistics: From Colombia to U.S. 40:19 Cartel Money Flows & Laundering 46:09 The Importance of Laying Low 47:00 This Episode Is Sponsored By Hims! 48:51 Map of Cartel Influence in the U.S. 51:36 Cartel Loyalty & the Rise of Snitching 59:40 Fentanyl, Meth & Shifting Drug Markets 01:04:59 Profits, Losses & Realities of the Game 01:05:59 Retirement: Leaving the Cartel Safely 01:10:00 Reflections: Warnings & Final Thoughts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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anything a thing. What is the key to moving up in the car Be loyal and don't say no. Could you be in danger? Yes. Do they send sikarios still? Yes, I know people. Has any of your coke ever been intercepted by the Contras? How much?

The last time it's like a hundred. I got the plug for Colombia. The man you were about to meet is an active, high-ranking member of the Sinaloa Cartel. For this interview, we referred to him as El Diablo. El Diablo is a cocaine distributor for the Maito's faction of the Sinaloa Cartel. of the Sinaloa cartel and has been trafficking drugs for them for over 30 years since he was a teenager. He oversees a smuggling network that moves 500 kilos a month, every month, from Cali, Colombia, up through Central America and Mexico, before finally crossing the border into the United States.

In this episode, he sits down with me to explain exactly how this process works. This is something I've been chasing after since I started doing this podcast, a ranking member of a Mexican cartel who is active. somebody who worked 30 years ago, somebody who can explain to me how things actually work now today. After months of negotiation, El Diablo finally agreed to speak with me because after surviving three decades in the most violent business on earth, he and his crew are preparing to leave the game. That is one of the rarest achievements in the drug world. Let's hope they make it out. Ladies and gentlemen, it doesn't get more authentic than this. The Sina Loa cartel's very own El Diablo right here on The Connect with Johnny Mitchell.

El Diablo, this is a big one, you guys. Like, subscribe, and comment. And before we get going, just a quick footnote about this guy, I met him through my friend Tommy G. Many of you have probably seen Tommy's channel before. He's a big YouTuber, and he had El Diablo on one of his episodes a few months back, and I reached out to him, and he put us in touch. And there was a big vetting process that went on.

We spoke to his contacts in Colombia. We spoke to somebody who vouched for Diablo in Mexico. So I assure you he is the real deal. And some of you are probably asking, well, why would this guy who's still active in the game on such a high level want to sit down with me? Because this guy makes way more money every month that I could pay him for an interview. Why would he want to put himself at risk and be all over the internet? And, you know, it's a great question. I think probably it's therapy for him.

You know, being in the drug game for 30 years like El Diablo has is traumatizing. And you have to bottle everything up and you live in the shadows. And I think because he is getting ready to make the jump and get out of the game, get out of this life, I think he felt like he wanted to leave something behind to put his message out there. So he was a great guy. This is a great interview. And yeah, enjoy. El Diablo. Diablo.

Thank you for being here. Thank you for invite me. Of course. You've been in the game now over 30 years. Yes. You got into it when you were 14 years old and you've stayed out of prison. You've never caught a case, which is remarkable. Tell us how you got started in the drug business.

I'm at 14, most or less, for my family, my family, and then they're in the business, my family. And of what part of Mexico are? Of the Sinaloa. But I've been Nacian, in California. In Los Angeles, created in Tijuana. That's right.

But you are part of the Carta of Sinaloa? Yes. You were raised in the Carta of Sinaloa. Yes. In Amayiza. And in those days,

now in those days, when you got started, was the cartel still split between those that were loyal to Chapo and those that were loyal to Mayo? Was it still like that? Yes. Okay.

How did you get How does a 14-year-old get in? For my father, he sells some stuff, and I look at what did they do? I want to do it. And I start. One of my uncles at that time, they passed drugs for the border in Mexicali. They do it by, in that time we moved to Mexicali. Actually, we live in San Luis, but I need to go to Mexicali and drive for the.

the sand dunes when I when I started in the business and and I'm the one getting inside in a you know the la Torres de la Luz the towers yeah and when it's electricity and I stay with an I vision and the radio watching and I need to cut the the wires to get in that's when I got 14 I helped my uncle wow so you would be at the border fence yes I get inside for For Las Dunas, they say the sand dunes and a motorcycle. Could the circle, you know, the three wires? Yeah, the circuit, yeah.

Could it, open it, and they come in a four-by-four with the fucking load, get inside. I need a closet, and it raised the tire prints. Wow. That's my function when I jump. Wow. And I stay on the top of the towers with the night vision. When you say towers, which towers? The Los Postos of Electricity, yeah.

Oh, okay. You know, the electrical... The electrical towers. Yep. I need to stay on the top. And that's what I start. And I started doing a lot of stuff, driving when I grow up. And my grandpa got a friend and his son stayed really close to in Mayo.

And it's what they started doing. They asked me for their favor. I leave him. in LA, hey, can you give me a ride? And I started working. I'll start liking the money. Right. And I'm here.

And you're like a mula. You drove the work? Yeah, I'm driving. Did you ever cross the border? Yes. Did you go through the checkpoints? Yes. Wow.

Twice. What were you driving? In that time, it's a white shadow. The dark shadow, the car. cars with heroin. Okay. How much heroin? I think it's like seven kilos.

Wow. And I cross the border. I cross the border and in Mexicali. I cross the border. Did you have any help? Did you have the guards? Did they know you or was it just? No, no.

Was it just good luck? La Bendision and let's go. Yeah. If you get in front of the water patrol. and you start, like, coughing, like, oh, you're tired. They look, you're nervous, and they put you in secondary. Right. Arriving.

What the fuck? You need to know how can the car, because people, sometimes they find a driver, and they don't know how can turn the lights, how can turn the car. Right. And they lose sometimes to speeches and put you inside to shake you. You got something they find that you fucked up. Right. I do it like for the border three times and I started doing for the next checkpoint.

Inside San Diego to LA, I'm driving a lot of times. Yeah. And that's how started. When I stay in LA, leaving when I'm married, somebody comes and need a favor. He's an old friend of my grandpa. He said, I can help his son. And I go pick it up because somebody broke his house. And I started to do the business with them.

Get in touch, and that's what I know people. So you are as much American. You've been in America way longer than you've been in Mexico now. Oh, no, no. I live a lot of time in Mexico. But the thing when I married, I married so young, I married when I got 16. Okay.

So what is the difference, what is the key to moving up in the car? The key. What's the, what do you have to have, you know? Be loyal to the things right. And don't say no because you say no, they don't want you. Right. But you stay with the right person, you got a good position. But you need to be loyal.

That's the first thing. And every word, you don't got loyalty. You're a piece of trash. Now you've got customers now, 30 plus years later, you're in your 40s. You have customers all over the U.S. all over the US. Yes, most of the states. People picking up 20, 30, 40, 50 kilos from you at a time.

How did you make those contacts? I made it for one friend of mine in LA, he passed away. Somebody killed him. So a black dude. He gave me the, he sell wheat to him, and somebody come on and starting knowing me, hey, what's up, Diablo? What's up, Diablo? And I start talking with them.

And when he's died, most of the customers, they know where I leave and the place I stay because we got a business. And they come in and they ask him for him and say, hey, he passed away. Hey, I want to keep him business. And we start doing business. He's actually two, three guys. And he said, hey, my cousin is in another state. He needs some stuff. And that's what I started getting.

Actually, my customers, everyone is related. Really? Almost everyone. And you deal mostly with black guys, right? Yes. Tell us where those markets are, where they're located. Atlanta and Philly, Boston, and New York. I got out of California.

What about Ohio? I got an Ohio, but the main ones in Baltimore. Baltimore? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. A lot of drugs get moved there. No, other drugs.

How fast can one of these guys, one of these teams, get rid of 30 kilos? They can put 30 kilos in one week, sometimes in the same day. And your Coke is good. Pure. You told me, like, when it comes through, you don't chop it at all, you don't step on it? No. Because if I try to do it for get more money, I can do it and step on it. But I keep more time with the product in my hands.

you come with something good you sell it for a decent amount and you got the customers they're happy because that's a real shit somebody tell you it's 100% period it's a lie 98 96 I got the plug for

Colombia so you're getting it it's 100 when you're dealing with you yeah it's not 100% because it's a lie 98 98% well because they have to no coke is 100%

No. They have to lock it up with chemicals. How long have you been working with these distributors that you have? 2003. Seriously. Yeah, actually one is retired. If the last, the one I left for the last time is like seven years. Wow.

Yeah. That's amazing because I always think, well, you're going to get caught eventually. But these are like professional drug deals. This is one of the points. You don't stay flashy. You don't stay, go to the clubs and spend money like stupid, throwing money to the, and the Titi voice. Nobody put your eyes on you because you need a thing like a cop for don't get caught.

And this, my circle, everybody is family. They were with cousins, brother-in-love. And, you know, they don't snitching in his brother or he snitching and his nephew. So none of your customers have ever gotten caught and then turned around and told on you? They once get caught, they do deserve the time and quiet. And they don't say your name. No. Wow.

That's amazing. And another good point that my customers is from... is from Africa. No shit. Wow. That's wild. Where are you getting? Coke's very cheap right now in the U.S.

Yes. Tell us the different prices. Like what can you sell to your customers in Baltimore for versus, say, Atlanta or Boston? Atlanta is cheap because there. You can sell it like 35, 14. LA, 11, 11, 11. 300. I get it cheaper, you know.

You know, that's the prices is running right now. New York, 15, Boston, 16, 15, 15, 5. And how do you know, because you're basically setting the price? You're the first one to receive it. You own the Coke all the way from Columbia. Yes. How do you know, did they let you know, like, hey, Coke, There's so much coke right now in Baltimore.

I need it cheaper. Is that how you determine how much you're able to charge? Yes, and I figure the numbers. And we talk with my partners because I'm not, I'm like to you if I tell you I'm only do this by myself because no one can do it. I got a friend do the logistics. I do the friend, do the money, move the money. I got a friend. He goes to Colombia with my guy and my Colombian guy is my partner.

That's the thing. If I buy 100 kilos, he put 100 kilos. And my crew is not only me. It's on like two, three more guys. Okay, so you have your own team. Yes. And those are Mexicans. That's family, more or less?

And my African guy. Actually, he's deporter. He stay in another country right now. But he stays involved. He stays involved. To take care with his friends, with his families. Okay. So tell us about Columbia.

How long did it take you to make the Colombian connect? When I got a problem in L.A. And one, what the guy said, he's run. He's the one he knows that people. Okay. The brother, the guy, the guy worked right now. His brother is in jail. But my friend got a problem and say, talk to him.

We start talking. And my guy say, you know, I need to stop because I got a lot of heat on me. We started working with them, Mikopari. The guy working, he goes to his place in Mexico. He run to Mexico City and they killed him. Wow. And he killed him. I got the plug. Memorial Day weekend is almost here, and it's time to kick off Summer Right.

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Now you got the plug. So now what you need to do is move all this cocaine through Mexico. Who do you have to ask permission to? And who do you need to bring the Mayo's, your team to get involved? One of my friends, I know from my competitor, one is kill them. He got related to the family, my family. And I start working together. Okay.

And everybody got his cut. So he's a When you're Independent. Right. So he tried to go independent and they killed him. Yes.

Okay. So you have to, there's all these different drug traffickers moving product through Mexico, but you have to use whichever cartel is controlling the territory

that you're moving the product through. Yes. Okay. That's, it's not only my job because there's a lot of people involved, you know, because you can,

handle it. I got the plug for Colombia, but I'm the one got the customers. That's my role. Right. You know, and I do my position right here. I use by the phone. I don't, sometimes I don't see my friend in two, three months. I don't need to see it. Why? Right. You know what I wish someone would have explained to me earlier? Well, so many things. But one is about credit. Credit. Oh my God. Credit isn't about being rich. It's about being trusted. It's very true. I remember being younger and getting denied for stuff I knew I could afford. Just because of a number. That's right. I didn't have good credit to like a couple of weeks ago. So I want to tell you about Ava. You guys know Ava. I sing Ava's praise because they make it so easy to build up your credit score. It's unbelievable. Ava is a credit building app that's designed to work fast and help your credit score where it really matters. So your credit score can start climbing with almost zero effort. Here's how it works. Ava reports all of it. of your on-time payments, whether that's your rent, your car note, your credit cards, to all of the major credit bureaus. They make it incredibly easy to improve your credit score fast. Most people see a major improvement within just 30 days. And if you don't have any credit,

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Thanks, Ava. Go and get yourself some good credit. So your friend is the one who handles all the logistics in Mexico. Yes. And another one to Colombia to Mexico. So I know you're legit because you were on Tommy G's show. And in order to prove to him who you were, you had your plug in Columbia make a brick with Tommy G. stamped into it.

No, it's like this. Look, when my friend introduced me to Tommy G. He said he needs somebody for make a documentary. And I say, hey, man, it's risky. Come on, make me a favor. I give you my word. And he's my friend, my friend, the guy. Okay, let's go.

When I started talking to Tommy, he don't believe me. He's saying, my mama fucking bullshitting guy. And I get mad like, oh, yeah, you think that like me? Okay, get a piece of paper and make a drawing as a dubojo. And he makes a dibuho. And that one is on November 14th. He made the drawing. He made the drawing.

The bar di Boujito, he said, mandamelo. And he was, one week, two weeks. The Thanksgiving Day, I called him. Tommy, I need to talk to you. And he didn't want to answer. I call it, I call it.

I say, hey, man, I'm with my family. I'm in Baja. He's stay in Baja. I need to talk to you. I got something for you. Let me get inside the room and say, I got something for you. And he don't believe me.

When I showed the video, my guy sent him from Colombia, sending from Colombia. He did the drugging he'd make is in the kitchen with almost eight or 10, 200 gallon they mix in Coke and like 50 kilos in the oven with the, they put the paper and say, hey, November 27, 2025, and he said, what the fuck? Why do you do that? Because you don't believe me. Fuck.

Well, you just show me a video of that whole kitchen. microwaves, heating up bricks of coke, then with the big vats, stirring it. Yeah, but the thing is, people sometimes don't believe because you can get it

in the internet. Because it's a lot of channels like telegram and the people lying. That's what I ask and tell me. You want to believe me? Send me a drawing. And he said,

today is 14 of, of fucking... November. November and blah, blah, blah. I don't believe he do this. But that's my, my plug. but when he see it two weeks before.

Just in case. I want the people to know you're official. So your Colombians, you made the plug with them. They're part of the guerrilla. The guerrilla, the FARC or the ELN, they're the cartels in Colombia. They're ex-Garilla fighters. Yes.

And they're from the Kali region? Yes. The Vaya de Kauca. Baya Kauca. How much coke can they produce out of, a single lab, say in a month? Dr. Elad, two tons. Two tons? So about 4,000 kilos.

No, no, it's 2,000 kilos. Oh, that's right. A ton is 1,000. Excuse me. And how often do you have other sources, or do you pretty much just try to stick with them? But now with them, because, you know, they were in Mexico,

that's, I try to work with them. Because we got a good crew. It's not ambidioso. We split the money by the right. It's not only me. I know because everybody got his part in the team. Everybody makes money. I try to grow up.

Right. But you got the customers. Yes. So you keep the bulk of it. Yes. So what's an average load from Columbia look like? How many birds? Right here?

I can bring, I can put you like a half a ton each month. 500 that's pretty good what is the route right now do they switch the routes up or do you guys stick with one route yes we switch it sometimes and and the way because sometimes he's in by the by by the ground sometimes isn't in the air but it's got to stop through Mexico yes you guys don't do dhl or anything like that yes better by do for another places I try to change my weight to U.S. right now. Okay. So you send D.HL to where? Do you have other countries where you send work to?

Yeah. Where? New Zealand. Los Kangaroos. The kangaroos. Wow. So you get much more for a kilo over there. Yes.

The U.S.A. is fucked up. There's so much coke here. And everywhere. Because the war in Mexico, they affect the... the marketing. How, though? I thought the war in Mexico would hurt the drug business, but it doesn't seem like it has.

Yes, because you got something, and actually in the past, something is like, in a war, not affect, if you got some product, the price is going up. But now, he's going down, because everybody got a lot.

They want to sell it. Yeah, so that's what's so interesting to me is that the war in Sinaloa or they just arrested Meno two days ago. But that doesn't seem to affect the drug traffickers. The routes just keep moving. For now, but you'll see in a couple of weeks. How do you think Mencho's death will affect the Coke price? Do you think your routes will be screwed up? With his customers, they're getting hard because they're.

fighting for who's staying in his position right now because he's dead and then he's fucked up you know that's what everyone tried to and all the states they make a what they disturbius because he's told them madri you know because when they counted they tried to to like do the same stuff that kooliakanaso going to soltaro that's what the fucking government killed them doesn't make make sense he's You analyze it? That happens. They kill them because they need a return it alive.

But do you want the price of Coke to go up a little bit? Wouldn't that be good for you? Yes. So you kind of want, that's the crazy thing about the drug business is that your price kind of stays the same in Colombia. You can't really get it cheaper than what do you pay for a brick in Columbia? $1,300. Dispensive is $1,500. Right.

So that's $1.50. gram people, by the way, just if you want to know how cheap that is. So you can't really get that any cheaper. So you have your price locked in. You just need the price. You need other people's work to get fucked up. So there's less of it. So you can put a couple more points on your kilos. Yes. But if I do that, it is by this way. I get 50 kilos, you know, and I step on it. I make 60 because I put a little bit. I put two answers in each key. They don't feel it because the cook is good.

They make more heat to get the stuff, rebuild it, do all the fucking work when you can sell it right away and clean your hands, you're going to stay with heat, waiting for the other load coming. Totally.

For me, don't work. I put a step on it. My point, do you see the point I'm making? Like the, we always hear, oh, like, we take out the kingpin. We arrest this kingpin. We arrest Mayo. We arrest Chapo. We kill Mancho.

It doesn't affect drug trafficking at all. Never. Because this is the next one and next one and next one. Somebody, your second in charge, does the one take the leadership. if they the other partners don't agree they got a war inside war

you know they they're in a war interna between to see what they can't with the post what is what

is what I'm sure that will start to have your routes since the war broke out and seen

Aloha between the Miles and the Chappos has any of your Coke ever been intercepted

by the contras by the really? Yes they're robin how much

The last time is like a hundred, 75, 75. Wow. Then, here in a car in another one of mota and one librae of glass

and they're like 40 kilos of cocoa too in Arizona. And that's over the war between the Chappos and the miles. Yes, because you don't know. The thing is,

for the war, so many bad people cross the border because they're running because they want to kill them and they broke inside and they know somebody got some work

and they broke in the house and brovue. Okay, so with this war, why don't you just go move Coke through the eastern Mexico, through the Cartel del Gulfo, the Cartel de Norweste. Are you allowed to do that as seeing as you're part of the miles? It is not allowed or not. The thing is, I don't know. I know people, but I don't really trust them. With the people I work, I trust it for years. If I work with somebody else who tried to make a deal and I come in front of him hey I got these keys they tasted that's fucking good and I give you a better price of his supplier he's a player and he buy a half a ton each month and that customer come to me because I give you a better price that my fucking

gets on angry on me and he's not it no is quaker pendejo is somebody with power because he sell tons of coke he tried to reach me to do something to me You could be in danger if you go through another supplier or another contact. I got my plug. I'm just independent. I have my connect. Right. And I need to pay my taxes to the people I know.

Okay. So you're loyal. That makes sense. Yes. So could you be in danger? You're here with a mask on. We're changing your voice, your gloves. Yes.

You could be in danger even in the United States? Yes, they can send somebody to do something. Do they send Sikario? still? Yes. I know people they send guys coming, do the dirty job and go back. That's fucking crazy. That's easy.

In 2026. Look, this is the way. You stay in Mexico. And now happens a lot because people running from Mexico and they owe money. Somebody owe you like a half a million, one million dollars.

And they truck where he at. You say to to do say, I give it $20,000, go get it. He's in USA. Say, fuck it, I do it for $10,000 right here. Come. Sometimes people got the visa.

Right. Come to the country, legal, do that and go back. Some people, they come in like with the polleros. They cross them for the border. Right. Right. So they would do it for 10,000 pesos? They kill somebody?

That's like a thousand bucks. Bro, they do it for. Less than that. That's like $500. They fighting for fucking $10,000,000, $20,000. Holy shit. And a bunch of coke and a fucking stolen truck. Right.

That's the dream sell to the, oh, you're a cartel member in Mexico. Right. You want to be one of the biggest pieces on the cartel? You need to get customers inside the U.S. one in another country. Yeah, but that's not what these kids are doing. using these cicarios and just tossing them out. They're using a fucking 17 years old, 14 years old people.

They risked their life for nothing. But the routes still move. So is Tijuana, San Diego, your main route to bring the coke in? Yes. Do you bring it in anywhere else? Yes. Sometimes for Nogales. OK.

For Nogales. OK. Two or three times from Mexicali. And this depends on the 18-wheeler, because I send it by 18-wheeler. Okay, so you use big 18-wheeler trucks. Some people are able to pay guards off. Some people use small little cars and just send a bunch of them.

You use the big 18-wheeler's. Yes. That's your crew. How many people do you have driving for you at any given time? I can say I got it. My friend knows a guy got a company, a truck company. It's a biggest truck company. And he got a bunch of drivers.

And he got an owner-operator. He said, the minimum of, how many, when you have your own truck, they hire you. Yeah, they're like independent contractors. Independent contractors. Right. Who just use his trucks? Yes. Okay.

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No, she got a bunch of years. And actually, that lady worked with an uncle, one of my friends, like a bunch of years ago. She's amazing. She's old. She got like the 60s. And how much are these drivers paid? And how much do they bring in at a time usually? How many kilos do you feel comfortable?

packing in at once. We put an example, 50 kilos, $1,300 for the trip, for each kilo. Is we talking about... $65,000? $65,000. You're the truck owner. You say, okay, I give you $20 to the driver,

and I keep $45. If you're the driver, you keep all the money. Right. Wow. That's the best, and the cartel does the best, best position. be the logistic guy. To own the trucks.

Because you're not the one driving it. You're just the one who owns it and you're assigning people. Oh, you got the plug with the logistics. You know why? Because you don't give a fuck it that the load is not good. The coke is not good. You do your job. You put the stuff in Atlanta, in Florida, Los Angeles.

You put the stuff over there. They pay you. That's it. But it's better to be the truck owner because you don't even have to... You got somebody else driving it. I don't even have to drive it. have to drive it. So the people who own the truck get $45,000. Yes, and this is what happened when you're

the owner of the truck. You can say, I don't know, maybe the driver put the stuff inside, and you claim the truck, and they give it to your bag. Or the drivers say, I don't know who put the fucking load. Right. I just saw my driver. Right. They throw the hot potato.

Right. And do they have a... So say you've got a load of Coke, where... Tell us some of the places in Mexico where the Coke gets ready. The Coke arrives for the drivers to then go down and pick it up and head to the border. What are some of the places? This is, this is the logistic people. They say, hey, actually all the time we got in Tijuana, you know, and in that border or Nogales. And my guy called me, hey, they're in those arbolitos. The arbolitos, they call it for the Nogales. It's a tree.

In the arboral, there are we're going to do. How do it? No, because they give it to the guy, to the truck driver. He put the load inside the truck. They fix it. They put the load. They come inside. Stop in Phoenix or they come straight up to the city.

I need it. Because right now, the apps, like the truck stop, for put an example, it's like the Uber or the 18-wheelerers. You get a load in Mexico or something. get it in Mexico, in Durango, in any place. If you got stuff in that place, if you get a low cost straight up to New York, you get it. They make all the round. You thought this was your run club era.

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They buy fake paperwork and give it their original. on one because they need to take stuff for make the heavy come right and put the the with and my my my my case happens sometimes we need a rental a box truck get some load of the or the or the 18 wheeler and put the right amount of weight for make the same paperwork put the fake the fake seal, the driver coming. When they arrived, they changed the, again, the load, put the load that got in the box truck, and take the stuff and put the original seal.

It's so complicated. It's not complicated. But, I mean, it takes a lot of people. It takes quite a few people to make this all happen. But that's why you pay that money. Right. That's why they charge you $1,500 for a kilo to move it. And they pay with his money to the people.

But the drivers always know that the trucks are dirty, right? Yes. They kind of have to. Yes. So if an average load from Columbia's, say it's 600 kilos, you buy 300, they front you 300, right? We need to pay the 25%. So it costs about 25%. Once it's all said and done,

Al Fien de Quentas, when it arrives to you, you've paid 25% of 600 kilos. Yes. So it's like $300,000. And I like paid with product. It's better paid with product. A lot of people do it,

like Mauricio Gastel, a bunch of big bosses. The logistics is the best of the cartel. They say the guy who might take over for Mancho, With the Cartagalaisco, Nouvejord, Yogurt. Yogurt. They say he's a logistics guy. He's a logistics wizard.

He's great at it. That's where the money is. Yes. And on your end, you're doing pretty well, too. Yes. Do you think your position's the riskiest, though, being the distributor, being the one who gives it to all of the dealers? Yeah, because I got all the responsibility in the U.S.

They stay over there. They can go get it, but they outside. They can hide it. They got money. They pay for hiding. How do you get, so you said 300 kilos gets fronted to you. How do you get that money back to the Colombians? Do by cryptocurrency.

We do it by wire transfers. But we need to do it to, they call it Spejo, the mirror. We then, some Asian, Arabian guys, they do, you know. They send the money by wires to Casasicambia in Mexico. Right. They stay in Mexico, they send the money to Colombia. Because they don't send you the money. My people don't send the money straight up to Colombia.

Right. They do Mexico, Colombia. Okay, so you bring, how much is an average amount of money? We call it re-up money. How much is an average re-up money that you have to get back to the Colombians? Take us through how that money makes it from, say you pick it up in L.A. How does it make it all the way to Kali Colombia? Depends because with my partner, we go half and half.

That's what I get the Coke Sheep. So how much money? We can send a million to millions. I don't send it all together. We send you my guy got the money ready for 20. I send that money. The other guys got money ready for 50. I send that money.

Okay, so take us through it. You got 200,000. $1,000, make it easy. How do you get that money from LA to Kali? I call my friend, he gives a Asian guy. He gave me a bill. They call me a Spejo. They say I got $200,000.

They pick it up Monday to Friday, because when the banks is open for the wires, all the kind of stuff. I give it to them. They come and pick it up. They give me the dollar bill. I got the serious. That dollar bill, when you give you the money,

It's the value of $200,000, $1 bill because that's you receive. Right. They put the money in LA or they put the money in Mexico. Do you know how they wash it, how they get it from the United States to Mexico? Like, how do they get it into their own banks? I wonder. The thing, the Asian people, they got a bunch of people right here. Everybody got a business.

What they do, they keep the money right here. It's like an example. So we put the money in Boston. The guy go pick up the money in Boston, they hold it, and they got the money in LA, or maybe he got the money in Mexico, and they give you the other money. And they got money, little by little, they put it in bank accounts, pay this and that. They send it by a product. That's an old, I believe they call it.

That's an old, that is Persian accounting, they call it. So if I want to buy a house with drug money in Colombia for $400,000, I bring it to a Colombian in the U.S. who has $400,000 in his bank account in Colombia, and we just pass it off like that. So money never has to cross borders is what you're saying. Ah, I see. And they keep their money. Right. Okay.

So they have your Chinese money launderers own businesses in Mexico. Yes. Which is how they transfer. So say you've got to get 250 Gs to Colombia. You go bring it to your Chinese guy in L.A. He lets his brother who owns a Czech caching place in Tijuana know it's ready. And then they wire transfer it to Colombia? Yes.

They make the wire transfer or they got somebody to pick it up. They do the same way when Mexico to Colombia. Right. This is... That's fascinating. That's fascinated. So do you think they have Chinese guys in Colombia? Maybe.

Or Arabian guys. Because I feel like wiring that much money, even in a third world country, like Colombia, to go bank to bank, that would be sketchy, right? Suspictoso, no? No, bro. Believe me, they move a bunch of money. They do it with properties. Right. We do it in cash.

They do it by crypto. Do you think they use, tell us about that. Are drug traffickers now using Bitcoin? Yes, it's untrustable, you know. Right, right. Can you actually, have you talked to your Colombian plugs? Could you pay them directly with Bitcoin, do you think? You think they would accept that?

They call it wallet. This is different. But they do it in Mexico. Then it's not Bitcoin, then. But no, they do Bitcoin too. But I'm saying you could send Bitcoin right now to Colombia like this. Oh, yeah. If I got my account, I send it to him, but I don't use my account to do that.

Right. Oh, because you would still need to get the drug money into your bank account and onto the exchange. I see. Because on the end of the day, you got a mistake and you fucked up. So you try not to keep, you try to keep as little cash in your own bank accounts as possible. Hell yeah. Why I need a be flashy? Do you have front businesses?

Do you have legit businesses in America? Yep. Okay. And I work. What do you do? I can say what I do, but I work. I do, I work and I got my eight hours working. On D.

Yeah, I need to work. Right. Because if I'm a beef like, look, you want to get caught, do this. Don't work. Stay party every day. Go to the TRI. Titty, titty bar. Got some bitches, throw money, make videos, and social media.

You got some bitches, my friend. You're a handsome kid. I've seen you under that mask. Yeah. You're a little guapo. But, brother, but rotunda, but guapo. But I love my wife. Of course.

I do. In my past, I'm a piece of shit. I stay with a bunch of bitches. Now, maybe because I'm older. But now I love my wife. I love my daughters. I want to stay with them. You know, I don't want to stay involved in something that affect my freedom

and my family safety. Right. If you want to be caught, do this. The thing I told you and be flashy. Drive a fucking Mercedes. And this motherfucker leaving an apartment and you got a fucking X5, he got a Mercedes, and you got a B&Ws outside the houses,

driving a fucking fancy cars and leave an apartment or leaving a trailer. Yeah. But it's still wild, you know, flashy drug dealers, not flat, drug dealers who aren't flashy still get caught all the time. So what you're doing is, is kind of exceptional. Do you know a lot of guys like you, guys that have been working with the cartel? My crew, you see one of my, my, my partners. You think the guy, because they got legal business too,

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Because. Low key. No key. There are cells, we'll call them cells. They're different crews like you, connected to the cartel, part of the cartel. I would argue you're independent, but you have your loyalties. You have your connections with the cartel. You're connected with the cartel. You're connected with Mayo's, so that's who you are. Can you tell us the different regions where there's the most cartel cells in the United States?

Everywhere. Really? I can't. Aki in Austin, too? Bro, everywhere. Texas, is the borders, bro. Right? In Texas, you don't got a dealer, a cartoon member, it's undercover.

That's the way. But if you point Chicago, you point Indiana, Ohio, Maryland, Virginia, Kentucky, California, Nevada, they got drugs. They, somebody's affiliated to a cartel. But right here, say, USA is not cartels. because they don't say and the shirt Cartel de Nebraska but they work for

Los Mayos they work for the chapos they got from minchos it's a cartel member it's a part of the cartel how so you say Finkado in the state of Nebraska in the state of Nevada in the state of Idaho

so part of a cartel we're parted And you would never switch sides. No? You work for the boss now of the Mayo's is Mayito Flaco. Yeah. Now let me ask you this. We all know, I'm not, you know, I'm not talking shit,

but we all know that the biggest bosses in Mexico are all rats, right? That's how this whole war started, was they all were ratting on each other. How do you feel about that? I will say what you are to contested. All are some mitoteros.

Everybody, I am snitches. Because now I am snitching about the business. Do you? Yeah, okay. But you yourself have not ratted? Or have you have you rated to get yourself out of trouble? No, no, no, no. I don't need a point.

Nobody. The thing is, I'm over with my business now. I'm sick. I need a quitted. But I like you somebody to lose me to you, you know. Stay on this though. So you're working for an organization that that handed over Chapo, right? It was one of Mayo's sons, not my de flaco, but I can't remember his name, the handsome one. Yeah.

The one who lived in Mexico City. He's the one who testified at Chappo's trial, helped put him away. Everybody's his niche. Right. And the one. the Chapos turned on the Mayo's. We know that they set up Mayo to get kidnapped. Mini League, everybody talking. Right. Hey, bro. I know people stay in jail. I know friends. They got 43 years. And another cartel buzzes, they get 20, 20 years. And another guy, because he got counted with 200 pounds of meth,

they got the time. But they fucking sing like Powerotti. What? They sing. They sing. They're singing. They're can't. They start talking shit about everyone. But you say something about them.

They kill you. That's what I cover my mask. Because they know I tell the truth. Because you got the power to kill somebody, but you can, you can, you, you can put me to teuttiar. You can put the deo all the world. We have a, we have a saying in English.

What's good for the goose, is good for the gander, but it only works one way with the cartels. We can do it, but you guys can't do it. No, you need a shoot the fuck up and get the time. Right. Fucking I got family. Fucking I got kids.

That's the other people say it. And that's when this is start snitching, it's snitching. It's a fucking tree snitching. But do you think that the the Cartelah Alisco Nueva Generation, do you think they have less snitches and that's the reason they became so strong? Or is it the same with every?

Every carton. It's part of the game. It's part of the game. It's part of the game. You need to put somebody to start alive. Do you think Mencho was working with the government this whole time? Yes. What happened with that?

Do you think he was like a CIA asset? Maybe. This is the point. Why they... Why they wait a lot of time to get it? Well, because... They stay in the fucking Los Palenquez. They can get it.

But they don't get it because the government don't want it. Now they got the fucking finger at the ass. They need to put something. Fuck it. Yeah. You're next, bro. So knowing that, you still have your loyalty to this organization that you know will give up people. But they're not going to give up you.

You're the one who's moving all the product. Yeah, I pay my taxes with them. That's it. What kind of taxes? When you say tax, what does that mean? The 25%. Right. So they need you.

They need as many guys like you as possible. That's what the camping do. You think El Chapo and Maya stay, hey, how many kilos we put it? They do it. But they don't do it with all the people who gets up a world people. The thing is, we know some guy, he's related to them. They talk to them to give it a green light. to do whatever I want to do.

Right. Something happens. It's like they call me one of his places. Like, hey, they got my load. Let me make a cause, hey, they're going to get it orita, but they're going to get it by your own. Hey, somebody cut 300 kilos. Take it.

Why you don't pay me, motherfucker? Right. The problem is coming. Right. So they're essentially like their own government. That's what I think, after many years of studying and doing this show. The cartel, these big organizations, are just many governments who, through violence and bribery, control the police, the federales, the border guards, sometimes the military,

and all they do is collect tax from all those connections they have to let the drugs pass through. Is that? And right now, what did they do? The war is fucking, that la Guerr very much. Money robin to the people that are the money. Fucking with normal people, yeah. And you need to pay me, you sell tacos. You sell 10,000 pesos. You need to give me $4,000. Motherfucking, they work for free for you.

Because you need a, you need to get money for help in the war. That's not fair. That's not fair. Would you ever snitch on one of them? No. I never caught it. You've never been caught with any product. No.

That's unbelievable in 35 years, practically. But would you think, do you think knowing that all the bosses snitch and become rads? Do you, I'm just asking, is it theoretical? Do you, would you still have loyalty? Would you give them up to help yourself? Yes. I, I, this is, this is right.

You think, Put it like this way. You stay involved in business. Okay? You make a deal with the government. They know you know me. And say, I let you go. I don't put in jail your kids.

I don't put it in jail your wife. I don't put in jail your brother's mother. I give you some protection, but give me the information. Just give me a little information about him. What do you do? Be honest to me. Depends who.

who they want. No, no, no. It depends on what's time I'm facing. We make an example of me and you. Be honest, because... I'm going to be honest. If I was working for an organization that, who's all of the bosses have ratted on other people,

and I was facing life for a lot of time, yeah, I would consider giving some information. You got the answer for all the audience right now. You got the answer. But everybody say, da, motherfucker, covered his face and this and that. When you still, and when you still, you're still, you're still in a case,

you remember me and say, motherfucker, he's right. When you get some time for people, don't give a fuck about your family, I don't need you to nobody because I never get caught. But I'd be honest to you. That's hard to say no. Of course it is.

You lose everything for the motherfucker. Don't give a fuck about you. But who do you know? But you also have to have that information, right? Like I assume you would never give up your friends, the people in Columbia, the people you've worked with your partners. That's a different thing. To me, that's unforgivable, is turning on people that you love. But how connected in the actual Mayo organization are you?

Have you been down there? Have you rubbed shoulders with the sons? I can show you videos. So do they know who you are? They don't know. I'm the one to stay with the mask. Of course not. But they know who their distributors,

even from the throne that they sit on. Do they know who the people are really moving the work? They don't got time to stay in. The people I know, I know for sure they don't get time for staying watching a podcast. He's hiding. Right. He's in the mountains.

Is that where they are right now? Yeah, they're hiding. Going to war. So why have you only stuck with cocaine? Why not Cristal? Seems like a less of a headache. I do it. I don't like it.

I don't do it fentanyl. I don't like it. It's too much damage. Too much damage to the world. I don't want to say I'm an angel, but I think that. That's of that's a matter is another ped. It's a dis-madre that you're doing.

Right. Well, you know, but... Much calentura. Of course, and it's hot. And I don't got customers for that. I was just going to ask you, so you work with black guys. Black guys aren't moving the meth, right? They're not moving...

No, they got people move meth, but they like it more. The black guys like weed, coke. Right. At what point did you transition from marijuana to cocaine in your... career. Can you take us through the timeline of that? Yes, because the Mexican wheat, they stopped selling it, remember? Of course. In the 2005, 2007, the Mexican wheat is the one buy tons of wheat. I sell a tons of that shit. Really? Yes. And now they, the weed is legal. Everybody got it. Actually, the people sell heroin, black heroin, the black mud. They don't

got customers because the fucking fentanyl come and screw everything for them. Right. Right. Do you think that's changing a little bit? Do you think the fentanyl? So over, let me ask you this. Because you, you don't sell a lot of fentanyl. You have, but you try not to. Overdose deaths are down this year. Like the fentanyl overdoses, the deaths, they spiked, they got super high, and now they're coming down. Do you think that dealers are having a harder time getting chemicals from China? Do you think less people are selling it? Why do you think that is? They afraid because what they say, they charge you like terrorism.

They caught you. They know they don't play games. They come and get you. So you think less people are trafficking it? Man. Do you think less people are, do you think it's weaker, though, too? I've heard the batches are weaker. Yep.

Hmm. Interesting. Interesting. So law enforcement does work to an extent. And the new drug is coming. I don't remember the name. Something stronger of the fentulone. I don't know you hear.

Trank. Trank. Trank is the ketamine. Straight up, you know. That one is for the fucking horses. No, that. Cylacina and all the kind of stuff. Yeah, that's ketamine.

Trank is like a. mix of like, is that a mix of ketamine? Ketamine, Cillacine sometimes, and fentanyl. And fentanyl. Yeah, that's bad news. That's bad news, bears. And they do the fucking pills like skittles, bro. That's what I don't work with that, shit.

The fentanyl pills? You see, they do the fucking pills like fucking candies. A kid get it and eat it and fucking die. You start giving kids, bro. Yeah. I'm not an angel. And I say, oh, I want to be the god of the fucking narcos. No, I do bad things.

I'm tired of this. That's what I quit. Right. Because now I stay in the position. I'm done. You say finish a couple of compromises that I've got to do. Wow. And all right.

What did, what do you think? How many loads of Coke lifetime? I mean, how much Coke do you think you push? I can tell you exactly. It's a lie. I got 30 years in the business. It's a bunch of shit. How much money did you make?

I make a lot and I lose more. Yeah. That's the usual story, right? Yes. What would you make off of, what's your profit after paying the tax, paying the, you said it was a 9% money laundering charge, money laundering fee? Not with me. That's with my partners because I keep my money for.

What could you make off of a load after all the expenses of 500 kilos? If I put right here 200 kilos, I got 150,000, 125,000 paid my people clean to me. Wow. That's not very much money. No. I mean, it's good money. How often could you do that? Every month.

Okay. All right. Now it's a little different. So it's about a million and a half a year or so? Yeah, but you spend more. You spend more. You lose more money. and you lose the money by a lot of time,

a lot of fucking, for stupid shit. We lost money. We lost product. Sometimes you need a, need a, you started growing up, growing up, and you got in a chinga, and you need to take for the fucking savings. Right.

To get him. Because if you lose a load, if you lose 600 bricks, bam, that's, that's two months, three months worth the money that you have to now cough up again. That's what I don't understand. This is what

is what is what is the name the money. Easy money. Right.

That is what I said in the what I did I told me in the

other podcast. If me is a child or a child or teenager

look at me he tried to get in this fucking world thinking

one two three until four times because it's more heavy

got a fucking A.K. To a pencil on the hand. Go to school. Finish the school. This is not right. You're kidding people.

I'm tired of this shit. When I see all the fucking sneaching, all the fucking people, they be creators talking to you and they're back. I say, I'm done. I need to wait 30 years to see how the people is fake.

Wow. It took you that long. To see, because I'm, a greedy ass, a greedy blind-ass motherfucker. Well, when you're making money that fast, it's easy to look the other way, you know? Yeah. You know your kids are involved? No.

Good. Good. So how do you exit the business then? It's, do you, are you, do you owe? Are you allowed to tell the Mayo's, hey, I'm not going to be moving product anymore. I don't mean to tell them because my friend is the one got the plug, you know? That's right. Then I just tell it, I'm done because I'm sick.

can handle it a little more. Right. I'm done. My liver is fucked up. I'm done. They asking me, what the fuck is going on, Diablo? I'm done. So they can tell?

They know that, oh, hey, Diablo's not moving work right now. Yeah. Wow. Wow. You produce two, three millions. And you stop, they start thinking he got to with another crew. So are you worried about that? No, because my friends know I'm done, and I give you my plug from Colombia to the guy.

Do you want to keep him doing it? Doing it? Better, I'm done. One of my African guys say, I'm stopped too. That's it. Because he said, if I keep going into the business and they called me, they related to me. and I drug you to the jail too. If you stop, we need to stop everybody.

But yeah, how does that work? You're right, because if you retire now and say you're the guy from Baltimore who you've sold thousands of kilos to over the years, if they get popped two years from now, they can come back and say they can tell it all. Are you worried about that? Oh, yeah. Every day.

Are you going to talk to them and try to convince all of your dealers to retire? No, but they say that because when I tell it, I'm sick, I show the paper where they say, it's time to. One of my friends say, hey, motherfucker, I don't got enough money. You need to invest your money and do something legit. Mm-hmm. What will you do with your Colombian Connect? Who are you going to give that to? Like he said, he think I got another plug.

He said the last time. Actually, I got a call with him today. Your friend here, he talked with him. He said, if I, what happens, what's going on? Where you been, yeah. I'm done. Are you, you're not going to give him to somebody else? I tell you, he can start doing it with my friend.

He said, I don't want, he don't want to do it because he sounds weird for him. I don't want to make money. and give you the phone or the connection to somebody else. And he said, come on, let's talk in person. And I say, I can go. Because maybe you want to kill my motherfucker if I go over there for your safety. Right. So then what about your partner in Mexico, the one who handles logistics?

He understands it. And actually, he's the one to start to quit because he stay in the middle of the war. Right. Now, he's really in danger because he's in Mexico in the middle of all this. Yeah, he want to go live on another country. You think he's going to leave? Yeah, he changed his family right now to another country. Wow.

Wow. And you think he'll probably retire, too? Yes. That's amazing. So you guys really have been together for decades. Yeah. You guys are like a family that's getting ready to walk away, more or less clean. I mean, maybe you don't have any money, but that's your own fault.

You gambled. You got too many kids. But you're going to walk a, you're going to walk a, you're going to walk a, you're going to walk away from the business without being arrested. That's... Let me tell you something. That doesn't happen. Let me tell you some...

Sorry for the... No, that's okay. You see my crew, because one time we stayed everything together and a funeral and everybody stay there. You see... You say, that motherfucker is do less escaping or something.

Either way, the black guys. Yeah, the other janitors and the Mexicans are... One of the guys helped me. He worked for... for me, he looks like he's the boss. He don't got position. Well, he got his position, but he's... He's not the guy that people think he's art.

Ladies and guys think he's their fucking king being. You'll see when you stay with my people together. And how old are these people in your crew, the people dealing for you? They must be like... I want the youngest one. I got 47. The other ones got one. I got one with 52, 55.

Right. Like these are, these are boomers almost. These are old. You guys are like aging. Those are the ones who really do it. The old school cats. Actually, when I,

at three, no, I commented to this. Say, motherfucker, I stay watching. You say something. I go kill with my own hands.

Oh, fuck, shit. Don't kill the messenger. Okay? Don't shoot me. No, no. I don't put nothing. I don't say,

I say what it is. If your audience don't believe me because in this world, everybody said, now he's a liar. I didn't know what's going on. I can prove you. I do know I prove you. I'm on legit. And then your audience say he's a liar.

I can prove. Wow. You're going to see some videos, real videos, real dates. Well, Diablo, congratulations. And thank you for coming to bless us, man. Thank you. Because you're the... The connect.

The connect. And for this, for the youngest people, believe me, don't get involved in this shit. If one of your friends say, do this, don't do it. It's not your friend because he wanted to put you in jail. Friends, don't put friends in jail because my team, everybody, stay right. All right. We're going to switch over and we're going to do part two, because I know you got some more stories. You've been watching The Connect with Diablo.

We'll see you next time. Peace at.