The Connect- with Johnny Mitchell - Texas Prison Gang Leader On Race Riots, Witnessing Murders, & Becoming A White BLOOD Member

Episode Date: March 8, 2026

Johnny sits down with Tim Griesheimer to hear one of the wildest crime stories to ever come out of Texas. What started as a teenager running burglaries quickly turned into a seven-year journey through some of the toughest prisons in the state. Along the way, Tim navigated race politics, brutal jail fights, and the chaos of prison life — eventually becoming a shot caller for the 59 Bounty Hunter Bloods despite being a white inmate. In this episode, Tim breaks down how he got caught up in burglaries as a teenager, what really happens inside Texas county jails, and the brutal moment he had to stand up for himself his first night locked up. From small-town crime to prison survival, his story shows how quickly a reckless life can spiral — and the crazy situations that come with it. This is a raw, unfiltered look at prison politics, street crime, and the reality of doing time in Texas. In this episode: -Growing up around crime and getting pulled into burglaries as a teenager -The arrest that led to seven years in the Texas prison system -Breaking into houses to steal guns in rural Texas -Getting betrayed by someone in his own circle -His first night in county jail and the brutal fight that followed -How race politics and gangs operate inside prison -Becoming affiliated with the 59 Bounty Hunter Bloods Go Support Tim! IG: https://www.instagram.com/tattoos_bykriminalkustoms/ This Episode Is #Sponsored By The Following Cash App! Download Cash App Today: https://capl.onelink.me/vFut/1ekoiacn #CashAppPod. Cash App is a financial services platform, not a bank. Banking services provided by Cash App’s bank partner(s). Prepaid debit cards issued by Sutton Bank, Member FDIC. See terms and conditions at https://cash.app/legal/us/en-us/card-agreement. Discounts and promotions provided by Cash App, a Block, Inc. brand. Visit http://cash.app/legal/podcast for full disclosures. HelloFresh! Go to https://hellofresh.com/connect10fm to Get 10 free meals + a FREE Zwilling Knife (a $144.99 value) on your third box. Offer valid while supplies last. Free meals applied as discount on first box, new subscribers only, varies by plan.  The Wellness Company! Visit https://www.twc.health/connect to get American Made Ivermectin. Order your 6-month supply today and use code CONNECT for $30 Off + FREE shipping. USA Residents only 🇺🇸 Join The Patreon For Bonus Content! https://www.patreon.com/theconnectshow 00:00 Wild Introduction & Story Overview03:40 Early Life and Crime in Texas07:28 Growing Up Around Crime & First Arrests16:00 Small Town Crime & The Gun Burglaries21:04 This Episode Is Sponsored By CashApp! 22:26 Getting Caught and Facing Texas Justice32:00 County Jail, Race, and Jail Politics44:00 First Time in Prison: Arrival & Culture Shock49:45 This Episode Is Sponsored By HelloFresh 51:24 Texas Prison Politics and Gangs1:15:44 This Episode Is Sponsored By The Wellness Company 01:17:23 Life in the Prison Units & Gang Recruitment01:32:00 Fighting for Respect & Moving Between Groups01:54:00 Prison Riots & Everyday Violence02:09:50 Prison Hustles: Gambling, Contraband & Hierarchy02:25:00 Violence, Initiation, and Surviving with the Bloods02:40:00 Life in Solitary, Death Row, and Prison Economics02:57:00 Culture, Sexuality, and Survival in the Joint03:08:35 Parole, Release, and Life After Prison03:18:00 Current Life: Tattooing and Redemption03:23:30 Wrapping Up & Where to Find Tim Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

He goes, look out a white boy. And I was like, what's up? And he's like, you can't sleep here. When I looked at him, I was like, bro, you're going to have to fuck me up in this bitch every day because I'm sleeping in this bunk. Man, I just turn around and fucking crack his ass. Wow. He steps back and he looks at me.

He's like, boom, boom. And he just beats the brakes off my bitch ass. Well, then after that, I slowly started becoming cool with these dudes. Who are you banging with? I was a blood. I was a five-nine bounty hunter down there. Now that you're part of the bloods, what happens in a race, right. You said you were part of it. Yeah, you got to be the first one in the shoot.

Tim Greishheimer has one of the wildest crime stories I have ever heard. He grew up in a small town in Texas surrounded by gangbangers. When he was only 17, Tim got arrested for burglaries and spent the next seven years doing some of the hardest time imaginable inside of the worst prisons in Texas. What's even crazier is that Tim eventually became a shock collar with the 5-9 Bounty Hunter blood gang. That's right, a white guy with the Bloods. And Tim's journey didn't end after prison. He got out and immediately blew up in the meth game, making millions of dollars overnight with the Zeta and Gulf cartels.

That'll be in part two of Tim's story, which you can get early over on our Patreon, patreon.com slash The Connect Show. Today, Tim is a private tattoo artist and makes appearances all over Texas. He does great work, so DM him on Instagram to set up your appointment. that link will be in the description below. Get ready, you guys. This is one crazy white boy. It's Tim Greishheimer,

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Patreon.com slash the Connect show. Plus you get bonus content. Man, get ready. Texas Tim. It's going to leave your jaw on the floor. Enjoy. And what's weird about it is I had felt nervous all day like something bad was going to happen.

Pulled the Coke out and put it in the cup holder, put the thing back on there. I drove. I got like a block from that dude's house and a Toyota Sequoia came blazing through a red light doing 45 miles an hour, hit the driver's side of my car, teabone me, shot me up through an intersection up against a building. I'm slumped over the car, knocked out. I wake up and they're doing construction right there and like everything's foggy and all of a sudden something going. And I'm about to pass out again, and something says, you got dope in the car. So I look down on the floor, my car's smoking.

I see the half a zip. I get out of my car, walk around, grab the half a zip, throw it in some trash, and just throw it in the dumpster. Ambulance come, cops come, all this shit. For some reason, this kid tells the cops, I saw him throw something in the dumpster over there. So the cop's like, did you throw something in the dumpster? And I was like, no, I don't even know what the fuck that dude's talking about, bro. They were in that dumpster, bro, until, like, the sun was coming down. It was a construction dumpster, and they found that half a zip.

I was sitting on a, like, a gurney or what a stretcher about to go to the hospital. They just held you? They took me straight to fucking jail. They didn't even take me to the hospital. Wow. Yeah. And that's how I caught that Coke charge. But how did you get so much time?

Was it from priors? Like, did they just... Dude, yeah, it was. And then, like... Because like in that county, I think it was because I had a bad name, bro. Because when I caught my first case, all those burglaries, my mom had moved out to the country by the lake. So when I came back from Ohio to live here, I was staying out at her house and I just heard guns going off all the time. Ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba.

So I'm like, damn, I was like, those are like some ARs and shit. So I go back to Temple and, you know, I was always in the hood and Temple. on the south side or the east side and I'm all like, hey, bro, like, we can go out to the country and hit licks on these guns. So we just went back out to my mom's house. I was like, hey, can we come out there and stay? Me and my buddies, she's like, yeah, we'll go out there. My mom's at work. It's the middle of the day. We were just going and burglarizing and stealing guns. Well, one of the houses that we hit just so happened to be the head sheriff of that county. and that is, I think, why they were so hard on me

because, like, I was on the news for hitting his house. And we didn't even take anything out of his house. Like, the window was open and we went in it. And I opened up the closet door and I saw his name. And I was like, fuck. And I told my homeboy, I said, bro, let's get the fuck out of here. Oh, shit. But he had already, like, broke some stuff in the room.

And I'm like, what are you doing? And he was all like, I was like, bro, it's the sheriff's house. Like, let's get the fuck out of here. So, like, when that happened, they, like, like put like because this is what the cops told me after they surrounded my house that he had they put like a pb out there like get these motherfuckers. And then Texas is go ahead. Yeah.

That's why I always tell people, man, if you get caught in Texas, you better you better have a federal amount of drugs in Texas because then you get to go to the feds. Well, it depends too though, bro, because like I think it goes by. I don't know how it actually works. but I've seen dudes get caught with like two, three zips of ice and get a Fed case. I don't. For sure. I mean, obviously, like, different, even in the federal system, different states are harsher on drug dealers, right?

And it is easier, like in Oregon, obviously you're going to have to get caught with a lot more weed for the authorities to give it over to the feds and for them to want to process. and for them to want to prosecute versus like Arkansas or some shit like that. And meth, probably the same thing, right? But it's just fascinating, just from a legal perspective, how the different punishments, just looking at everybody's punishment is just so different, just depending on their circumstances. Dude, like in Texas, when I got locked back up the second time

after I got my time, there was a dude in this small town. It's right next to, like, Austin. It's next to Round Rock. Georgetown. He got 99 years for fucking that dab shit. 99. 99 because they said he was cooking it. So you remember how they were like slamming motherfuckers for cooking crack in the feds,

like during the Clinton era or Ronald Reagan shit? Like, so since he manufactured it, they gave him 99 years. And I think he only had like an ounce or maybe two ounces of the dab. Which is just shake from weed. which you smell walking all over Austin. You can go buy it at the fucking at the smoke shop just down the street from here. That's crazy.

And it's harder when you're in a place like Texas in the state to get a reduction in your sentence even if it's proactive because there's just not as much mechanisms for that. Whereas with the federal government, there's a lot of mechanisms. And, you know, Trump can pass the First Step Act and it just, it gets,

there's a lot more. legal authority that it can go through. So, bro, when George Bush was the governor of Texas, man, you weren't winning an appeal for shit. No. Dude, when I was in prison the first time on a, it's called Polonsky now. That's where they hold death row inmates

at, but they execute them at the walls. But it used to be called Terrell unit. Terrible Terrell. Like you had the three terrible T's in Texas, which was Terrell, Telford, and Torres unit. I did time on two of the terrible T's. Like my second stint was at Torres. So when I was at Terrell unit before they changed it to Polonski,

I was out on the slab bullshit and right, the walkway. I was out of place doing something. So they brought this black dude out to execute him. And I think he was on death row for, you can look this up. Like I think it was too, like a double rape and murder, right? And so when they bring like a SEG inmate or an inmate that's on closed cussie or death row, they'll tell you to catch the wall.

They'll say, catch the wall, so you got to turn around and grab the fence, the wall, and they don't want you looking at them either. So they were bringing them off death row, and I was over in that area. And they brought him out, and I remember I looked to my left,

and I looked over my shoulder, and I looked at them. They were putting them on the van to take him to execute them. And I just remember seeing the look on this dude's face, and I've never, sometimes I wish I could put like a flash drive in my brain, bro, and pull these images off.

And I remember the look on his face was like, this is not like, it was like, you could feel the energy, bro. Well, it turned out he was innocent. The Black Panthers and all that stuff, they started protesting. I think the nation of Islam got involved in it. This was like 2001, 2002. And so George Bush was forced to DNA, check the DNA on those women's clothing. And it turned around, it turned out that he didn't do.

do that. Yeah. So it opened the floodgates, bro. Right. And you just started seeing all these DNA tests. Motherfuckers were getting off death row. I want to say Texas put a cap on the money so people couldn't sue them for like millions of dollars.

Right. And tarot unit was a very, um, uh, high, uh, high, uh, like, um, all the big known murderers, high value cases were there. Like there was dudes over there were 500 years. Yeah. Like 3.85 years. Like it wasn't even three, four life sentences. It was like,

99 stacked on 99. Like it was crazy shit. 60 minutes in 2020 were there twice while I was there. And, uh, dude, dude's faces, uh, faces on the front of the newspapers for like rape charges or other murder charges. Their time getting commuted and stuff like that. So like spring weekends are all about family, sunshine and evenings on the patio. Before everyone arrives, I stop by my local total wine and more to grab a great bottle to share.

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Just because they check that dude's, like, it sucked that he passed. away, but him passing away opened up the floodgates for other inmates to get out or get time commuted. And it's not right, but it's- That's how it happens in the legal system. Somebody has to be like the sacrificial lamb. Yeah. That's the duality of DNA and forensics is it's easier to get caught, but it because they can check your DNA. But it's also got a lot of people, it's saved a lot of people's lives. Yes, sir. But now they're back executing people in Texas. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They just executed. Dude a dude, like two days ago or some shit. I follow a page that's on TDCJ, you know.

And, yeah, they executed a cat the other day. I didn't know him. I used to work on death row too. What was that like? Dude, it was crazy, bro. Like, there was a guy when I would go back there, he would like be screaming Bible verses all the time. And John said, and he was just like going off.

And I worked the night shift. So it was like 12-hour shifts, and I'd go in at 8 at night until 8 in the morning. You were an orderly? Yeah, yeah. They call them SSIs. So, like, SSIs, like, back then SSIs, like a, like, was like a player job. Like, that was a money-making job because you could traffic and trade. You can move shit.

Yeah. So what's crazy is when I went to prison, I was 17, right? and I didn't even go. You remember how I told you, like the diagnostic units and stuff like that? So I went to that unit gurney that I was telling you about. They call it butt naked gurney. And the reason why they call it butt naked gurney is because, like, say, if you were going to Chow and you were on the slab, the laws could come up to you and they could say, hey,

inmate, come here. And they'd go, get out of them. And you'd have to get butt-ass naked in front of them and bend over and spread your cheeks and all that shit. That, dude, you'd be going to Chowdhout. It'd be like 10, 15 naked dudes on the slab. women doing it men so it's called butt-naked gurney now it's all changed because like a law suits and stuff like that so you just can't get naked they got to like take you behind a wall now and all types of shit but back then it was real animalistic like that so they put me on their version of closed custody there i was there for like i don't even think i was there two days and i got shipped to diagnostic which is called the james bird unit and but it used to be called diagnostics which is where every inmate went.

But do you remember that black dude that got dragged way back in the game here in like Jasper, Texas? Yes. That unit's named after him. Yeah. He got dragged a dad, like a couple like racist hillbillies. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tied him to the back of their truck and dragged them. And they dragged him. Yeah. And so I got sent there and I was there for like almost 30 days. And that's like some old school bars, you know, shit like that. And I saw crazy shit there, like, not crazy violent shit, but like the stories I heard about, like, dudes with, like, tities and shit like that. They were all there because they would mule us all into the shower. And you'd be in the shower.

And it was just like wild old school penitentiary, like, as visuals like that. So I got shipped from there to another unit called Goree Unit. And I was on Goree Unit for like five days. and I went to classification. And I remember I went in there and it was two white dudes and a black dude. And it was a white dude with these little poindexter glasses. And they're like, your name and TDC number.

So I'm like Tim Greisheimer 103, 1389. And then the black dude went to say something. And this is where I think I got sent to a taro unit because of that sheriff. Because the poindexter looking motherfucker was like, he was like sitting right here. The black dude was here. and there's a other white dude right there.

And he was like, oh, hold on. And he, like, said something to him. And then all of a sudden, instead of the black dude saying anything, the white dude looked down at his paperwork and he goes, you're going to Terrell unit, enjoy. I had never even heard of a unit. I only heard of, like, Beto, Ferguson, Bill Clemens, Darrington, the old school.

I had heard of French Robinson, and then there was like a big ride on Smith unit. So I'd only really heard of these like red brick units. But that's what I called. they're the old ones that were built back in like the 30s and 40s. They're red bricks. And so I go down to the wing and the law is asking everybody like, where you going? Where you going?

He's a country-ass white dude. Where are you going, man? So he gets to me, he's like, where are you going, youngster? I'm 113 pounds, dog. 5-8. And I'm 17. Okay. So before we get into that, just tell us how you got there.

So you're from Ohio. You're from Columbus. A lot of white dudes. Are you, you seem like you grew up with black dudes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Am I mistaken? Yeah. You did? Yeah.

I mean, being from Columbus, most white dudes, you know. Yeah, that's the predominant races up there really is white and black. There's other cultures up there now, but it was predominantly always been white and black. Right. So, like, we all grew up with each other. And it's just what it is, bro. You go to the west side of Columbus, east side of Columbus, you know, Cleveland, Cincinnati. You go to the hood.

You're going to see white and black dudes hanging out. Yeah. So that wasn't like segregation was not. No, no, no. Like I didn't even, bro, I didn't even know what a Mexican looked like until I had came to Texas. I had never seen one. Yeah. Like seriously.

Yeah. Like I had never even seen. But like I had never even been called a white boy in my life until I came to Texas. Like I remember when I came to Texas and I was playing with a childhood friend of mine. I'm still very good friends with his brothers and stuff to this day. Their dad, you know, as well, like he called me his white son. He's dead now. So rest and peace array.

but I remember I was sitting on their couch and their mom came out of the bedroom and she gave me this crazy look and she's like, Radrin called him back to the bedroom. She's like, what's that white boy doing on my couch? And I remember I got up and I walked out and I went and sat on the stairs of the apartment

and then he came out looking for me. He's like, man, what's up, bro? I was like, hey, what's up with your mom, dude? And he's like, what do you mean? I'm like, man, she called me a white boy. And he's like, man, this ain't like Ohio, bro. It's real different. So that would have been like racist

if you were in Ohio coming up and hanging out with all your black friends to call you like a white boy. A white boy. It would have been like, what's this black boy doing? Yeah, yeah. It would have been just like that. Because, you know, where I grew up was like poor white, poor black. Right.

So, you know, we were, uh, you know. Equal. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We weren't into politics. We were fucked the government. We don't care about voting. Like, we didn't, we didn't care about none of that shit because we knew that we were all fucked either way it went. So that's how it was.

And Texas was my first experience of racism. even from whites. Like going into the gas station, this white dude, old, like this country, white dude looked at me and I was with my black friends. He looked at me.

He's like, what are you doing, dressing like that boy? And I was like, I was, you know, 10 years old. I'm like, what the fuck?

And I left. And I remember I went back home that night and I told my mom, I said, man, this dude called me a boy. And she's like, this is the South. Hmm.

So like even that, you know, is like, is crazy. So, yeah, I didn't really know anything about segregation. Like, you know, to me, hanging out with black people was like hanging out with white people. But then there's different kinds of white people, you know what I'm saying? So, that's fascinating.

So now you're what, you're a teenager. You're living here. You're living in, where are you living? No, I'm living in this town called Temple. And this is just like, Like, what are these tiny little Texas towns? And they all just look like gas stations on the side of the highway. Well, Temple's probably got like 100,000, 150,000 people in and out.

It's like in between like Waco and Colleen. I got you. It's north of here. Yeah, yeah, going towards Dallas off 35, you know, one of those towns. And it was like a small town. It's kind of like a medium-sized little town. But, you know, the crazy thing about Temple, you know, like they call it a troubled town is like the thing about Texas. And I don't know if other states are like this.

But like the small towns, the crime is, it's popping. Right. Okay. Go into that. Yeah. Because that's like California. Yeah. Like you had like the east side of temple.

You had a street. It's called MLK now. But there was a street there called 8th Street. They called it 8 Row. And bro, like that whole street was pumping with crack. Yeah. Hardcore dope. Like there was a barbecue shop down there called Mayshacks.

Mayshack and all them are past now. Dude, these dudes all got mulk. You can look. this up multiple life sentence in the feds like the whole squad laying the murder game down like those the small towns in texas like you might grab keys in austin but you go outside of austin maybe to like bash drop or manor that's where the houses that got the the the two tons the you know the five thousand birds that's where it's at they hide it all in the small towns right and the small towns and the crazy thing about the small towns is that because it is small you can also if you play

your cards right can get away with more shit because law enforcement is kind of dealing with you all the time so if you're not loud about your business they'll really let you slide if you're doing dirt they'll be like we know who you are but you're chilling and you're not out here on front street so they'll kind of just like leave you alone right yeah so california is like that too as the city's got gentrified, all of the real high-level activity went to these little hidden ancillary places. Portland is like that too. Everybody I met when I was locked up was from some shithole suburb. Yeah.

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And I remember I started asking my friends I'm like, what is meth? And they're like, oh, it's what bikers mess with, biker dope. So I didn't even know anything about meth until I came home from prison. Never had saw it, never dealt with it, nothing like that.

So you're a teenager now living in Temple. It's hood. Are you still kicking it with black people? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so that's still your crew? And you guys are off into like petty crime. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tell us how like that evolved into the burglaries

that eventually took you down. Well, I basically got groomed as a kid to be involved in crime because back when I was growing up, the older guys would use the younger guys to break the law because once you went to Juvie or whatever, you could just get out. And then I think like your record changed once you hit 18. So like, there were, I don't, you know,

you could just do crime and then, you know, I remember offspring had a song and there was like, uh, if you're under 18, you won't be, doing any time or some shit. So like, you know, we were breaking the law for older guys. So like my first like stint of like I used to wash drug dealers cars as a kid. Like they had these crews, like they had a crew in Ohio called the GIs and shit like that. They're real known. Like I used to wash one of their cars. He was a white dude. I used to wash his car. You know, I watched a lot of those guys' cars. You know, did little licks for him. They'd be like, hey, go in this house and go

snatch this word's going to be go snatch it up and then they would just like break you off so like for me I was always a little like thief type person because it paid instantly yeah I thought dealing drugs was like slow money like even though people came up and they were making bread I thought it was just too there was too much going on I didn't like it so I liked the whole thief game so when I came to Texas and like I don't want to say this like shitting on Texas dudes but like Texas dudes are a lot more We're like Ohio people, just like maybe East Coast Cats, not East Coast Cats for sure. We're a lot more aggressive, a lot more aggressive. So when I came down here, I had an aggressive mentality.

So when I came down here, I basically wired my friends up to let's go and start stealing. Let's go do this because I'm thinking in Ohio, if we hit these licks, we can go sell it to the drug dealers and make money. But then like drug dealers are like, man, you bring that stolen shit over here. I don't want that hot ass shit. you're going to get me popped. Right, right. So it was like, you know, so I was the wild one out of the crew. You know, a crazy white boy Tim, that's what they had called me.

You know, that white boy crazy. That white boy crazy. So it was me always hitting some kind of lick, doing some kind of theft. And in Ohio, burglaries paid. And guns sold. People wanted guns. But people use guns a lot in Ohio. And they use guns here in Texas, like in the big cities.

But Ohio is a different beast where, like, Like, even still to this day, like, if you wear your hat to the left or the right, that shit still means something up there. Like, you know, if you're in the game in Ohio, like, you better be, like, you better be packing, bro. You better be strapped. It ain't no, like, free for alls out there where Texas is kind of like, it's like free for all.

Like, anybody can jump in the game and start selling drugs. Right. It don't work like that up there, you know? So, like, I'm the one that wired us up to do the burglaries because I was like, you know, we were doing small theft, shit like that, trying to make money selling Bud. Like, back then you could buy, you know, when Reggie was popping regular Bud, you can get a brick of Reggie. Shit, I think for like 300 bucks.

Yeah, I think it was like 300 bucks, 250. And then we would like, this is when people used to roll like big blunts, like the Swisher Sweet Perfectos. I don't know if they did that, you know, this is like during like no limit time. Green Leaf Optimos. Fucking, the Philly, Philly, chocolate Philly Titan. and shit like that. Yeah. Holy shit.

So we would do like roll blunts and do like three for 10, five for 20, shit like that, like selling blunts and stuff like that. But it just took, it was just took too long. And I like to kind of like, you know, I like to get my shit now. Like if I want some new shoes, I didn't want to wait to sell something. I just go to the shoe store. You know, back then it was more open. I just put the shoes on my feet, put the old ones in the box and walk out with them

motherfuckers. I didn't care. I was wild like that. like I just did not give a fuck, bro. So like, like I got banned from Temple Mall definitely at 13 years old for assaulting people. I remember those kids. Yeah.

The ban from the mall kids. Yeah. We all knew them. Dude, like, I was wild, bro. Like, somebody would stare at me. Because, like, in Texas, people stare a lot. Like, they'll look at you. We're, like, in Ohio, staring at somebody.

That's, motherfucker's going to act, like, be like, what the fuck you looking at, bro? Like, what are you doing? And, uh, so if I caught you. you stared at me like I would just walk up and hit you I didn't really talk I just walk up and hit you I was just wild like that so the whole burglary thing was just like when I went out there when I when we when I heard those guns going off it was just like hey we can get these guns oh yeah so you were saying that off camera you were in your little town you could hear like the guns

yeah the gun's time guns going off like automatic weapons and shit yeah it's like pop blah blah blah and I'm at my mom's house and I'm like man what the fuck is going on so I came back the temple and I told my buddies, I'm like, I'm like, hey, bro, there's all these guns popping off out there. It's the country. Houses aren't like next door to each other like that. They're kind of, and you, and it's crazy because like they have these woods that's going around the lake. And there's like trails in them. So I'm like, we can hit these houses and just cut through the trails and get back to my moms. So we go out there and, you know, during the daytime and we're hitting houses. We're not taking nothing, no, like, no jewelry.

read. No, no, no, no. We, I just want the guns. Like, look for a gun safe. Everybody's got a gun safe. They all do. And let's get these guns and sell them. How the fuck do you get into the safe? You just take the safe out. Yeah, break it open. It depends. Like, don't have those big, tall ones, like taller than that ladder. Like big, tall gun safes, you'll see the ARs in there, the rifles. You'll see the pistols. The bottom drawer, you might not be able to get open if it's a tall one. But if it's like a small safe, you could just take that with your hands. But do people in the country, they'll have guns like, right next to their, their drawer. They'll just leave them laying out. Yeah. They don't give a fuck. They'll leave them laying out.

They'll have them in the closet. Like, they'll just, they'll have them laying out. But that's got to be some of the most dangerous business, trying to Jack, break into fools' houses in Texas.

Like, so are you guys strapped? No. I mean, because people just bust at you and they'll, they're not, they won't even get arrested.

At this time, I, I, we weren't in, uh, so did you case the houses? Like, not really, bro. Like,

this is exactly what we do. I was wild as fuck. So like we walk up and we're kids. So I mean, I'm 16, 17 years old. So, dude, I was causing so much havoc, bro. Right before this happened, I'm walking down the street. I just came back from the corner store and stole like some snacks and shit. And I'm walking down the street and I like hear like a motor behind me like idling.

And I turn around and I look and it's the fucking temple PD. So I like I stop and I'm like, what? Like, what do y'all want? And they pulled up next to me and they were all like, you know, like, you know, know your 17 birthday is coming up and I'm like yeah and they were like as soon as you turn 17 we're gonna get your ass and you're going to TDC with the big boys and I'm like the fuck is TDC and they're like the penitentiary in my mind like for some reason I always wanted to go to jail so I didn't I was like okay whatever catch me if you can motherfucker like I'm I'm smooth with this shit I don't

play no games. So fast forward when that, when that seven, so anyways, what we do is, because I looked like like a baby face kid, oh, like say I came to your house and I knocked and say your house was 1032 Aspen Drive. I knock on your house, say you answered, hey, what's up? You see two kids standing on your porch with our backpacks. The lake is right there. I'd be like, hey, is Sam here? No, this ain't 1034 at, oh, that's right next. that's right down there, buddy. Oh, thank you. And we just take off walking.

Take off walking. So if we knocked on the door and you didn't answer, we had knocked a few times, ring the doorbell, stand there. And I'd be like, man, why Sam not answering? Just in case anybody listened type shit. And you remember back, this is back before cell phones. Like cell phones were by the minute.

So people weren't as nosy back then. You know what I'm saying? And we'd just walk around to the back of the house and break in that motherfucker. and go straight to the, you know, master bedroom. That was it. Go to the bedroom. Look for the gun safe.

Look for the gun safe. That's what it was. And because it was in the country, there was always guns there. Now, to your question about, was I worried about getting shot? I wasn't worried about it. My homeboys used to tell me that. They'd be like, bro, you're going to run in one of those white boys' house. They're going to smoke your ass.

One of them country crackers are going to kill you. But me, I've always had like an ownership mentality where whatever comes with the game comes with the game. So I would always say, well, if I get shot, it is what it is because I'm doing it anyways. That's why, like, I don't, like, I know there's fucked up cops, but I really don't have a beef with cops because I know they're just people and they're doing a job. And so, like, I didn't give a fuck. So long story short, we're hitting all these houses and I got a bunch of straps.

What kind of guns? Dude, a gang of pistols, ARs, shotguns. dude we're i'm trying to sell them i'm trying to go to temple and sell them but nobody'll buy them because they know they're hot they know what's mean they're like fool you're tripping dog 3 57 i got so many 357 magnums bro barretta's like and you got full fucking magazines for the ars i got everything bro i'm taking it all bro i'm like that cat that you're like the gun dealer from taxi driver yeah i'm i'm taking it all bro and but nobody's buying them but this one white dude who uh he was the one that told on me he was a weed dealer and um he was like man i'll give you

two bricks for two of those three fifty sevens and i'm like i i didn't really like him because he was country and he like try to like act too hard and i never like people like that like i don't like people that act hard or like talk a lot like i just never like that mentality so my home boy is like he sell them to him so i sell him to him and when we hit that sheriff's house on accident, because we didn't take nothing from that fool's house. Like as soon as I saw it was the sheriff, I'm like, bro, let's get the fuck out of here.

They, you know this because you've been in trouble, but the laws will create snitches. Like, they will go. They know who's got warrants. They know where you're at, bro. Like, people be thinking the cops are dumb. The cops, a lot of times, especially they know where the fuck you're at. Well, they're dumb usually as individuals.

Yeah. But as a collective, they have tons of information. they share. As a team, they can be pretty effective. Yeah, they can be. As individuals, they're as stupid as they come. Who the fuck wants to be a cop? No, not me. That's a faggot-ass, gay job. Not me. I'm good on that. Yeah. Anyways, yeah, I'm good on the whole, uh, the cop thing. When I was a kid, I did want to be a cop, but I always wanted to be a dirty cop. For sure. Yeah. Those are the smartest cops. The smartest and the coolest cops. I'm all like, man, I want to be fucking Sylvester Stallone from Cobra and shit. Fucking up motherfuckingers and shit.

That's what I wanted to do. You are from the 90s, so they go, this dude's got five warrants because he's creating, like, titles. So he'll go and get, I don't remember how he was doing it,

but he'll get, like, dirt bikes and ATVs, and he'll be paying down payments on it, but he would, like, print off fake titles, like he owned them, and he would sell them and get all the cash. So he was burning motherfuckers,

so they were already investigating them for investigating him for that. Well, my fall partner, which was a Hispanic cap, he always hung out with my homeboy. So we had ran up in this one house and there was a kid in the house the whole time. And when you asked, did we go in there with weapons? This was the time that I had a pistol in my hand.

I had a 38 snub nose. It looked like a fucking 357 magnum, but compact. It was stupid clean. Pistol grip, it was gangster dog. Like I felt like a killer with that gun. You couldn't tell me shit. So when we were walking up to the house, we're knocking on the door,

nobody's answering. So I'm like, let's go around to the back. So when I'm going around to the back, I just see like a shimmer in my eye. And I look and in the grass, there's a fucking key, bro. I walk over the grass and I pick it up. And I'm like, bro, I was like,

let's see if it works. Boom, opens up the side door. We go in. Don't hear nothing. We go to the master bedroom. We're looking for guns. No guns. I'm seeing bullet casings and stuff

and bullets laying out. No guns. So I'm like, man, what the fuck? So I go to the kitchen and I'm standing in the kitchen and I'm facing a living where you're at. And there's a door right here to the left. And I'm looking at that door and I was like, what's in that fucking door? So I got this 38 in my hand the whole time. Now, what we were doing was, like, say, to cover our face, we'd either take like two bandanas, like pull one up this way and then pull one down.

So this part was showing or I'd take a t-shirt and like where the head of your t-shirt is. I'd put my head in and I'd have the neck of the t-shirt like over my eyes and use the same. sleeves that tired over the back of my head. So I, because it was in the middle of the summer, I pulled the bandana down over my face because it was hot. And I opened up the door. And as soon as I opened up the door, there's a gun safe right there, one of them tall ones. And I was like, jackpot. That's like, I said it out loud. And for some reason, like, I'm walking with the pistol like this. And there's a, the wall right here and then opens up. And I remember I like turn halfway. And there's a fucking kid on the ground. I think he was like 12 or 13. He was a

a couple years younger than me. And he was looking at DVDs or videos or some shit. And I looked, he didn't even know I was there. And it just came out of my mouth. I said, oh, shit. And he looked up at me. And I was like, chill, bro. And I just backed up, shut the door.

And I told my home boy, say, hey, let's get the fuck out of here. And we dipped. But that kid saw my face. He thought it was, I was, it was my buddy who stayed down the street. So my Mexican home boy, he was already known. And there wasn't a lot of Hispanic. in that area so they went to his house his mom sent him to my home boy's house the feds show to my home boy's house when they go in his house the dude that i sold them to three 57s too he's in the

house they pull him out and they're like we got these five warrants on you what do you know about these cats that are stealing these guns we want them we'll drop these warrants i find all this out later on and they tell them we'll drop these warrants if you tell on us next to you know i wake up my door's being knocked on, I wake up, there's a Dodge Intrepid out front of my house. Next thing I know. 12 fucking sheriff cars. Two more unmarked. This is 15 laws.

They get out and surround the whole house. I'm not answering the door. So I got these two backpack full of guns in the bathroom where the water heater is. There's like a, the water heater sitting on a piece of plywood. So it's like a gap like this big you can get under the house. So I take a broom and I'm fucking pushing these backpacks of guns under the house. and my mom starts calling the house and I pick up and I'm like

I'm like hey and she's like what the fuck are the cops doing at my house and I'm like I don't know and she's like they just want Anthony that's my fall partner she's like they just want Anthony let him let him take Anthony I'm like all right

so I hang up the phone and I'm like because she's like they're gonna get a warrant they're gonna kick the door in and she's like I don't want them fucking my house up so I get out the phone and I'm like so me and him concocta plan and I'm like you're just a juvenile because he is only 16 I'm 17

at the time so I'm like bro your parents are going to be able to come get you they don't have nothing this is while the cops are fucking strapped around the house around the house trying to get you to let them in yeah trying to yeah and we hear them out there talking i hope they try to run i'm gonna fuck them up if they make us come in this house they're like saying this shit because they know we're kids so um we can cock the plan well then the dude that tells on me he pulls up to the house in his lincoln town car you remember the old lincoln town cars that had like the short ass and they came up like that with the long one. So he, yeah, he had one of those. He jumps out with the two gun cases with the 357s, walks up to my yard and hands him to the detective. And I was like,

what the fuck? We're peeking out the window. I'm like, what the fuck? He comes up to my door. He starts knocking. He's like, Tim, answer the door. Answer the door. I'm like, what the fuck? And then one of my good friends, who I'm good friends with to this day, he's sitting in his car. I'm like, what the fuck is going on? So, like, I had like a very, very, defiant attitude, but like when I saw that, it was like, I let my total guard down. I was like, what, is this dude telling on me? Like, it was like it took the wind out of me because I don't believe in like snitching. I don't fuck with that shit. It's like snitching, rape, child molestation. That's like a no, no go, no past 200, no collect $200 with me, bro. Like I got zero tolerance

for that shit. I don't fuck with it at all. So like, open up the door. he's like man talk to this detective ooh and i just looked at him and i was like oh are you telling on me like i didn't know what else to say like in my whole defiant cocky demeanor dropped because i was like couldn't believe that this was happening so uh the cop was like we know the guns are in the house we know this and i just i gave up and i went and i just got it gave him he's like we're gonna tear your mom's house up we're gonna fuck her shit up and i was just like fuck i started thinking about my moms and i was like man all right so i go and i give him the guns so but the whole time and the back of my mind, I'm thinking, I'm a 17-year-old kid. I'm not 18. They're not going to do nothing to me.

The worst, I'm going to get his probation. So he puts me in the car, puts me in the backseat with them. And we start driving. He's like, you want something to drink, man? I was like, yeah. So we go to the store. He gets me a sprite. And he's like, you smoke? I'm not even 18. I'm like, I'm like, yeah, he's like, what do you smoke? I was like, Newport. He buys me a pack of Newport's. he's like go ahead and smoke on the way to the station because he knows once I go what it what's going down because I this the sheriff has done put it out there like I want these motherfuckers they were in my house so as soon as I get to the county dude that's when like everything hit me so they give me a $35,000 bond I don't even know what that means fuck it and I'm sitting in the

county for like three days they're pulling me out talking to me they're trying to so like I don't know if they do this like in other states but in Texas if you catch it like certain charges, they try to, any, like, open cases, they'll try to put them on you. So all these, they try to put, like, damn near 30 burglaries on me, bro. And I'm like, what the fuck?

I'm not admitting to that shit. No lawyer, no nothing. I'm a 17-year-old kid, don't know anything. And I'm like, bro, I didn't do that. Like, you know, I don't, like, I don't even know what you're talking about. So, um, they, when they pull us out to get us dressed, they put me in a tank.

So like in Bell County, the county jail used to be like a federal holding facility. And so they had like fed inmates and state inmates in there at the same time. It's not like that anymore. But because it had to be because I burglarized that sheriff's house, they put me in a tank with nothing but black dudes. And any white dude or Mexican that went in there, they were taking all their shit.

Like all their shit. So. That blacks don't know that you're like, cool with them. No, no, no. No, no. So, I'm different. Yeah. Well, God, you sound so pathetic when you're like, trust me. I know the history, but I'm different. Yeah. You can't say that. You can't tell them shit. You can't tell them shit. So I'm like soaked in sweat, bro. I go into the county. I mean, we go, we go there. I see the have TV. And I'm like, damn, they got TV in here. All right, that's going to be all right. Man, I go in the tank and it's just all these bunk bids. It's late at night,

too. Bro. I remember Jerry Springer was on TV. TV. It's like 10 something at night. So I look and there's no beds open and then I see one that's open, but they would give us like these are like Tupperware boxes, storage boxes you can get from like Target or whatever. I see one on top of an empty bunk. So I walk over there, throw my my sheets and shit on top of there. And I remember I heard this black dude. They called them old school. He was like, look out a bird. That white boys. Like I got for some reason like in heightened situations, I can hear really good. So he's like that white boy's putting his stuff on that bunk.

So this big, tall black dude, he's probably your height, maybe a little taller, but real thick, not muscular, but just thick. And hell, he comes walking over to me. He comes walking like this in the day room's in front of me. He's like, hey, look out, white boy. And I turn and I look at him. So hold on. So my mom, she came and saw me in the county.

She said, all right, I can do two things. She's like, I can withdraw from my 401K. She's like, I can either bond you out. And you can go get a job and do everything, or I can hire you a lawyer, what you want me to do? And I was like, hire me a lawyer. So the lawyer came and saw me and he said, hey, do not get into no fucking fights here.

If you get into any fights, I can't give you probation. He's like, I'm going to get you probation. So I'm like, all right. So that's in the back of my head. So he goes, look out a white boy. And I was like, what's up? And he's like, you can't sleep here. And I was like, well, I was like, where am I supposed to sleep at?

And he's, and at this time, I'm 132 pounds. I'm a fucking noodle. So he's like, he's like, I don't give a fuck bitch. Sleep on the fucking floor. Go sleep next to the fucking pisser. Pussy ass white. He just starts going on. Pussy ass white boy, I'll slap the goddamn shit out of you.

And I'm looking at him. I'm like, I, so I started grabbing my sheets and shit. And then I had Saul, when I was a kid, I remember I had saw like American Me and fucking like blood in blood out. And I remember an American Me when that dude had got raped in the county and the juvenile. And I was, and I started grabbing my stuff. And I was turning to the right. And I was like, hold on. I had already heard that they were taking,

making white dudes only eat lettuce in there and all that shit, taking all their food only letting them eat veggies and shit. Like, I'm like, man, fuck this. I start throwing my shit back up on the bed. I'm like, man, fuck probation. So I hear that same black dude. Look out of bird.

That white boy's putting his stuff back up on the bunk. So like, I don't know like in Oregon or whatever, but like in Texas prisons, there's like no stretchy shit in the sheets. You got to, like, put them at the end of the bed and, like, tie them and stuff like. So I'm looking at the sheet, and I'm like, how the fuck are I supposed to tie this shit? So he comes back over there. He's like, hey, look at a white boy.

I was like, what's up, bro? He's like, man, I told your bitch ass to get on the floor. And I looked at him. I was like, bro, you're going to have to fuck me up in this bitch every day because I'm sleeping in this bunk. Man, he is like, get your bitch ass back in this corner. So I started walking back to this corner. Well, in the corner, it gets dark. But, like, at an angle like this, there's a shadow of light.

So when I start to step into the shadow, and I see the light, I'm looking at his shadow behind me. And when I see like it looks like he's close to me, man, I just turn around and fucking crack his ass. Wow! He steps back and he looks at me. He's like, oh, bitch, boom, boom. He just beats the goddamn shit out of me, bro. He fucks me up, dude.

I'm talking about beats that breaks off my bitch ass. Steps back, he's all like, you won't sleep on the floor? And I'm like, you got me fucked up. He just starts fucking me up again. Boom, boom, boom, boom. He's smacking me like, palming me and shit. Yeah.

And, uh, there was a half breed black dude in there named, uh, Rush. He had got a 45 year sentence. And, uh, he was half black, half white. And, like, that's one thing about jail, bro. Like, other races, if you, like, if they see, you're not going to, like, get hog, somebody will speak up. So me and this dude, he's beating me up, dude. I don't know how long.

It seemed like 20 minutes. Just on the ground? No, I'm up. I've never dropped. I'm just getting blasted. And I'm fucking spitting blood on the wall. I'm crying. I'm so angry.

I'm crying. I was like, you got me fucked up. I ain't sucking nobody's dick. I'm not fucking washing nobody's boxers. Like, I'm just like saying this stuff. I don't, like, I just know what I hear. And he's like, come on them, and I'll come in like swinging, trying to hit him, but I can't hit him.

He's grabbing me by my face, throwing me on the ground. Like, just like making a mockery of me. So then the black dude rush, he's all like, that was his last name. He was like, um, hey man, he's like, let the white boy. make it, bro? Like, let him make it. So he was like, all right, bro, you can sleep on the bunk. Well, then after that, I slowly started becoming cool with these dudes. Like, I'm trying to play dominoes with them, stuff like that. But this is what got me in cool with them. There was a corporal that worked in there. She found out I was in there, and it was my homeboy's aunt.

She walks in there and she goes, where's Tim at? And I'm like trying to hide myself because I'm banged up. And she fucking comes over there and pulls the sheet off me. And she's like, boy get up off the bed so I get off the bitch so who the fuck did this to you I was like I I don't know I don't know and she's all like y'all leave this motherfucker alone he ain't he goes up with my family these it comes to all our barbecues and her last name was neely and the neelies are like super big and temple like they're one of the biggest black families in temple so when they heard that it was like I got the pass like the white boy's cool he fucks with all the the needlies. They all know them. They know them. The Neelys, the Jackson's. They all fuck with them.

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months. And well, actually, by the time I leave to go to TDC, I'd been in there nine months. So I think I went to court like seven and a half months, eight months, something like that. So he got me in front of a good judge who's no longer a judge, but he believed in rehabilitation. But I remember when he first became my lawyer and he came down, you know, they do like the lawyer switch thing in court, like new legal counsel or something like that. And I remember he told me that my DA, who was like a weekend weatherman in Waco. That's crazy. Nick Curtis Law and Arlon Curtis some shit, a fucking piece of shit. He fucking comes up to my lawyer and he's all like, oh, did you come down here, hot shot from Travis County? He's still

going to prison, you know, shit like that. So he's like, they want, they want you, you, you burglarized at sheriff's house. I was like, we didn't even fucking take nothing. His window was open. We didn't even break, like, we didn't fuck up none of his shit. So, um, I go in front of the judge on sentencing. Next, you know, the DA leaves. And my lawyer looks at me, goes, that's not good. Because we had got called up next on the docket. And I was like, what do you think he's doing? He's like, he's about to try to switch us courtrooms. And he did. He got it approved. So he went into another courtroom. And I went under there, under, under. I went in the court under what's called an open plea.

So you basically, you don't have a plea bargain, but you leave it up to the judge. And whatever he gives you, you can't appeal it. So you basically, like, everybody kind of testifies, but it's really like, kind of like, I guess like a jury trial, but like by judge type shit. So the kid came and testified against me, but he was like, I know he wasn't trying to hurt me.

I don't want him to go to jail. I had even wrote him a letter saying like, bro, I'm sorry, you know, I'm not, I did what I did, but I wasn't trying to hurt you. Because they were trying to get me aggravated, a burglary habitation for that shit. And, um, which they had wound up changing the laws after I had gotten trouble, like Texas became like a zero tolerance for burglary where like if you went into the house between like 8 a.m. and to 6 p.m., it was an automatic aggravated charge because they're saying people could be home at that time or something like that. Anyways, so, um, I'm sitting there

and I'm hoping I'm going to get this probation. And he's like, I'm going to give you five, eight-year sentences, rank, current. And my mind just went blank. Like I heard him talking, but I didn't know what he was saying. And then that's when he said

he was going to stack the probation and shit on top of me. So they immediately take me out. And they take me in the back. And the sheriffs, they're walking me. And I like, stop. And I was like, hold on, man. He's like, oh, you better not try nothing.

No, fuck you up. And I was like, what the fuck are you talking about? And I was like, what just happened in there? And he's all like, you got five, eight-year sentences. I was like, I got 40 years. He's like, no, they ran him concurrent. So you're only doing one eight-year sentence. He's like, but they stacked a probation and a safe pee on top of you.

So you're going to be on probation and parole if you make parole when you come home. And he's like, that's what you fucking get fucking running in people's houses, you stupid motherfucker. And I'm like, looking at it. I'm like, what the fuck? So boom, I go back to the tank. and tell everybody what happened. They let my lawyer come see me. Then they let my mom and them come see me.

Like through the glass on the phone talking and shit like that. And my lawyer, he's like a G. He's like, bro, you know when you go to prison, like, it's hard on white people. He's like, like, your size white guys like don't make it. He's like, you're probably going to have to catch another charge to survive. And there's all these riots going on. They're all over the news. Like there was a state jail because here in Texas,

we have things called state jails. They're like two-year facilities. There's no... I think they let them get good time now to where they can might get like a little six months knocked off their sentence, but them state jails be going hard because they ain't got nothing to lose.

So there was a state jail. The... It's slipping my mind. They had just had this humongous fucking riot there. The National Guard had to get called in and shit. It was all over the TV. So I'm like, I'm hearing all these fucking war stories. And I've been in like four fights in the county.

and I lost every one of them because I'm just too light in the ass like you're fighting a grown man who's seasoned you ain't fucking them up like especially me so I'm like I'm like I'm about to be I'm about to get my fucking ass kicked a lot so I catch chain and I go down there

fast forward and I fucking hit tarot unit and this is where they ship death row inmates that's fucking crazy so your first time in prison you're with cats about to get executed most of whom were innocent yeah That's wild. Yeah, yeah. Dude, it was stupid crazy.

It was crazy. So as a the prison, is it, is it like California? Is Texas like Cali in terms of like level four? No, no. Is the worst three, two, one? How do they delineate? They really don't. They really mix everybody together.

So like, you could hit the building. Like, so Terrell Polonski, it's what they were, it was built in like 92, 93. So it's considered a newer unit. So you have the dorms, which is. 18 and 19 dorm, which is kind of separate of the facility. And then you have three and four building, which is on what they call A side. And you have what, on three building, you have D, E, and F pod. And then three building is A, B, and C pod.

And they all have three sections. And it's all, it's 72 cells to, like A pod. It's 72 cells total, right? So then you got B side, which is medium custody. and then close custody. And then SEG is usually like in 12 building. So like you could go to three building with a fucking five year sentence, non-ag,

and be in the cell with the dude with 99 years. Like they don't give a fuck. Right. They don't seg you up. They don't like in other states where you're on, if you're white, you're going in the cell with the white guy. Nah, that shit ain't happening.

Okay. You're going in the cell with anybody. Okay. So yeah, explain that for people that don't understand the difference. It's a very segregated culture. but in prison down in Texas, but in prison it's not. Yeah, no. Not sell-wise.

Now, once you hit the day room, then yeah. Okay. Yeah. So tell us about that. Tell us about Texas prison politics and racial politics. Who were the cars? So like, so you just had that dude on your show, Mike D. right? So like where I was at, it's like I think it's an hour from Houston, two hours from

Houston, something like that. it's in Polk County. So like the Houston click was like the biggest click there. The Houston Black News was like the biggest click there. Then you had like the Dallas blacks. Then you had like the Crips and the Bloods, like GDs, BDs. Then you got the Muslims who basically moved like a gang as well, even though they're a religion, but they discipline their people.

They move. They move pretty fucking stiff. And then at this time you had like the ABT, the AC, then you had like the White Knights. And then you had like solo. white dudes, I guess, or like guys trying to prospect to get into something.

And then that was, then you had like Mexican Mafia, T.S., pistoleros, the Aztecas, and then you had Tango Blast, which is now like the biggest fucking gang. That's what they said. Yeah, in Texas.

So when I hit there, I hit three buildings. So at this time, it's 2000. So like the big thing in prison, well, every drug was in there. But like, cash money was like, big in prison. So at this time, you could take your free world tennis shoes in there.

So if your tennis shoes are like all white or all black or like black and white, you could take them onto the farm. So I had some black and white gangster nikes with some fat laces. And I remember I hit three building. And the whole time we're walking a three building, the inmate that's escorting us there, he's trying to make me ride with him. Like it's called like ride is like pay protection. He's trying to make me ride with them on the cool. He's this dark skin and black dude named black. black. And I wound up getting cool with this dude years later. He was like, when I became funny, where who I became who I was in there, like he came up to me. He's like, hey, you know,

there's no hard feelings about back then. And I was like, bro, it's all good. It's the joint. It is what it is. You saw a little white boy you wanted to get him. You know what I'm saying? So he's trying to talk, hey, bro, if you need my help, do, da, da, but I've been in the county for nine months being laced up about how it's going to go down. You know, dudes try to run game and, you know, get you whatever type of ways. Like, it isn't just like dudes running in your cell, beating the shit out of you to make you pay a protection, a motherfucker will use the Bible to get you up under his wing. They'll play you any type of way.

You know, the mental game is fucking serious, especially with lifers, dudes that ain't, you know. And at this time, so they had created security levels, right? So you have like S2, S3, S4. Like S2 is like the highest you can go. That's like trustee status. But like say you came in, I think it was like after 03, if you came in with like a fresh 99-year sentence,

they, like, they would put you on medium custody, or they had put you, or if you had an escape charge, you would go to medium custody. Now, you would be on a minimum custody wing, but they would separate you for like 10 years from people type shit. And I guess they were trying to change things. I guess I don't, I don't fucking know. Long story short, I hit fucking three building. And the motherfuckers are going to necessities, which is like where you get clothes and shit. And, um, I hear these, they're giving us out these, they're called layins, but they're like little receipt papers. So the guy, the guard, he's handing out the lands to tell you like what pod you're going to and what bunk you're going to sell and shit like that. So I hear these black

dudes talking, man, look at the white boy with the Nikes. Look at the white boy with the Nikes. So like in Texas prisons, they have yellow lines everywhere and you have to stay inside these yellow lines. So the black dude, he comes circling around and I'm watching him and he comes over to the front of me. He's like, hey, what's up, homie? He's a crypt dude. I find out later on. I'm like, what's the deal, bro? And he's like, you want to sell them shoes? He's like, I got 100 cash right now. And he flicks the money.

It was like wrapped in tape and shit. He flips the money and catches it in his teeth. And I just see the hundred across it. He's like, I got 100 cash from shoes right now. And I was like, nah, I'm going to keep my shoes. He's like, all right, bro. He's like, he's like, you're going to see what's up. So boom, he walks off.

So I go down to my pod and I see the white dudes looking at me. I see the black dudes looking at me. Boom, I go up. up into my cell. I'm unpacking my shit. And I just sit there because I'm waiting for the back door to happen. I'm waiting for them to come up, knock on my door. Hey, who you riding with? Oh, we're going to come in there and look at you real quick. This is what, because this is what I've been told. So I'm waiting. Nothing fucking happens. So when they pop the cell doors again, they do like the in and outs and shit. I come out. When I come out, I just stand up on the wall in the day room and I'm watching everybody.

So like there's a table to the right right here where the whites are sitting at. I remember the big ass white dude. Oh, he like goes like this. I walk over. there and he's like he's like so before i went to the penitentiary all the black dudes i was kicking it with they had told me they were like hey bro when you go down there you can't hang out with us it's about race down there you can't hang out with us you can't chill with us you can't eat with us so when you get down there you got to kick it with your people and they're like just do what you got to do to get home bro because they're like the penitentiary ain't the white man's world like go down there and get home bro he's like y'all don't really have no wind down there so just go go go

hang out with the white dudes and get home. So my back of my mind, I'm like, okay, I'm going to do what my home voice. This is what they tell me to do. So I go over there like, what's up, bro, what's your name? They're all being like cool and shit. I'm telling them. So they were like chopping it up with me. We're talking. We're talking. Fucking chow. Last chow pops off. We go to chow. We come back. I'm still wondering what the fuck is going to happen. So they're lacing me up. They're like, we got this shower right here. So like on the newer units, like they don't do shower call where like everybody goes to like on the older units they do shower call and everybody goes to one area in showers they have like all these showers hanging and shit on the newer

units they got they got three tiers so you got two showers on three row two on two row and then one on one row so they're like we shower in this shower uh don't sit at no other table they're like don't speak on the fucking tv just shut the fuck up come out here so i was like well when's the back door going to happen yeah and what's the back door that's when they come up in the cell and heart check you like beat the fuck out of you back then they didn't back then the only people that called it a heart check was the tango blast that's what they did that's when your own people your your own your own your own click or your own gang runs up and just fights you yeah runs up on you but like to be down back then like if you and it's probably still like that to this day like

I know when I left the last time they started letting a bunch of families out of seg um but the families to get in obviously you had to draw blood but when they started coming down on the murder charges, they kind of like stopped doing shit like that, right? So they would do what was called like a BMW, like black, Mexican and white. So you'd have to fight like two or three blacks. Then the Mexicans would come in. Like it was a back door like that. And you'd have to thump on them. And sometimes it was timed and sometimes it wasn't. Like it was just, you know, it just depended on what they wanted to do type shit. That was really how it worked. Right. So, um, I'm like, well, when's the back door happening? Because I,

I want to get this shit over with. And they were like, ain't nobody going to fuck with you, bro. Just chill. Mind your own fucking business and be cool. And I'm like, all right. So the very next morning, I come out for breakfast. They run out breakfast like three in the morning. So I come out, I'm sitting on the wall. They told me that's the Crip table. That's the blood table. Basically, the blacks had all the tables and the whites and the Mexicans at one table. And sometimes the whites didn't even have a table and they could chill with the Mexicans if the Mexicans would be like, hey, y'all can come sit at our table or whatever. But the thing about that like a lot of dudes on these podcasts don't be talking about when they say white boys don't

have no win if you're a stiff-ass white boy bro say there's a black table right there or a black bench like blacks or even Mexico be like hey look out johnny you can come over here and sit down and holler at me because they know you're about that life they they'll they give you that respect now of course if a black rolls up be like yo johnny let me get my spot you're going to get up but they just ain't going to make you stand bro because they got respect they treat you a little bit differently because you're you're you're you they know you're about that action so um I'm just sitting there watching so like on taro unit the pickets are in the air so you got like a bunch of concrete and the pickets in the air where they can walk around and look so that area is called a rotunda

around the picket and then you go into this area it's called a sally port so me just from being from the streets I'm going to make sure I'm the last one out because I don't want nobody behind me so everybody goes out I go out on the last one we all mule into this fucking Sallyport. And when the door's closing behind me, this Mexican dude, he slides in. And I remember he's like, excuse me, Waddo. This is the very next fucking morning.

He slides to the pack of dudes like a fucking snake dog, like slithering on water. And he hits this Mexican dude. Boom, boom, boom, boom. And all I hear is like a clooka, like a clooka sound. And I hear the Mexican dude, he goes, ugh. And this fool goes to the front, stands there.

Nobody fucking looks. Nobody looks because back in that time, that was called dry snitching. Like if two dudes started banging and everybody like turned and looked, that was called dry snitching back then. Now it's different down there. It's a lot more like it's childish now. But at this time, like nobody even looked. They act like nothing even fucking happened. So you stab the shit out of him.

He stabs the fuck out of him. I don't know where he hit him at this time, but I just hear it. So I'm probably kidneys or something. Well, I saw him when they brought him out. He hit him right up here like in this like lung area on the right side. But I back up against the fucking door. my heart's hitting. I'm like, what the fuck?

Like, dude, I'm in here for burglary. Like, this is fucking serious. So we come out, we start walking the chow and all of a sudden, they're like, catch the fence, catch the fence, catch the fence, catch the fence. They go running down here. And this just shows you how different it was back then. Because now if something like that happened, you're going on a 30-day lockdown. Like, they'll lock the pod down for a fight now.

Where back then, we didn't even go on lockdown for that shit. So they bring the dude out on the stretcher. When they go by me, I kind of cut over. my shoulder and I see where they got the bandages all on like the right side of his back. He's all stabbed up. And I'm like, damn, what the fuck is going on? So fucking, I come back when they roll a door for like first day room. I come out and some of the white dudes come out and I go over there and I sit down and I talk to him.

And then I don't bring up the dude getting stabbed, but they bring it up. You heard such, such got shanked. But like, I think it was like a T.S. and a Mexican mafia thing. So I get a job in the furniture factory. It's like where we build desks and all that old type of shit. So like usually when you come into Texas prison, especially back then they put you in the field squad. Right.

And make you work in the fields. They make you work in the fields. But if you got some type of skill, some type of trade that they feel like they can use, they'll give you a different job. Well, since I, my family, like, they all did like construction. I've been on construction sites since I was like seven, eight years old. So like, do you have any trades?

And I was like, I know how to hang drywall. I know how to do that they're like, for real. I'm like, yeah. So they put me out in the furniture factor. I'm going to see what you can do. If you can't, you're going to the fields. I'm like, all right. So I go to the fields, the white dudes.

I think what they were doing now that I look at it is like what, you know, in California, they call it like rocking you to sleep. Because like, as they're talking to me, I tell them like, hey, bro, like I make it very clear because this is what I've been told to do. I'm like, hey, I'm not going to get like any swatsikas on me, any lightning bolts. Like, I listen to rap music. I grew up with blacks. Like, I'm just doing it.

I'm hanging out with y'all because I need to do this to get home. Like, I'm not getting down with no gang. I'm just going to be, so like a wood in prison back then was just a stiff white dude. So like if another race came up to you and they're like, hey, will you pass me that wood? He's showing you respect. That's all a wood was back then. Now it's a click down there. So they're all like, yeah, yeah, man, cool, da, do, do, you know, whatever.

So we go out to the furniture factory. They talk to the laws. Like, that's their area. Like, the whites basically run the furniture factory. They get me the dopest job. I'm making like these face frames for cabinets. I'm hanging out with them. But they're steady trying to like manipulate me on the cool.

Like they'll be like, man, fucking toads. And like a toad is like a disrespectful word for a black person. So they'll be dropping shit like that. And I'm like, what's a toad? And they're like, oh, a black person. And then, you know, I'm finding out these dudes are like A, B, T and shit like that. And then I'm like, oh. So what's y'all's beef with black people?

Like, what's the problem? and they were like, well, there ain't no real beef with black people. And they're like, you know, they got this thing as like 2388. Like it talks about like preserving the white race and stuff like that. And they're like, we just, we don't have no hatred towards them. I was like, well, then what's up with the Nazi signs and the lightning bolts? So then they start giving me their history on that. And then they're like, a lot of the dude, what's crazy is a lot of those dudes like ran with blacks in the world.

But, you know, prison changes shit, right? for a whole other whole bunch of whatever, you know, the dichotomy of the situation. So, uh, they're steady trying to reel me in, but I'm not taking the bait. Like, they're like, hey, you breed this. They're talking to me. So this like, like a week or so goes by. But Marcelli, he's a half black, half white dude. He's a barber, big time player on the unit.

He's like, one of like the speakers for the Houston click. Even though there's like no real speaker, he's the one that's got like the mad respect. You know, they're the Houston dudes. their big spread in the day room like you know like the five gallon buckets you can get at like lows and home depots they'll get these motherfuckers and fill them to the top with food

fucking like back then they had canned goods so they got like one hole that's a fish spread jack mac tuna and then they got another one that's all roast beef and shit like that they're eating big and you know like they tell you in prison like don't call nobody a bitch don't call me people like the bitch and hoe and all that shit

well in Texas prison black dudes they joke like that oh bitch at oh ho at and i grew up like that so i'd be watching these dudes play with each other play with dominoes and i really wanted to you know fuck with them because i'm like because this is how i am but when i go up in the cell me and my cellie are cool as fuck and he's he's half black half white so like he's playing rap music i don't got a radio i don't got nothing and we're chopping it up and he's all like man where you from fool so i start telling them and you know we're we're We're getting real cool over like a two week period. So this is my first month in.

So, um, he tells me so, uh, in Houston, I think they still have it. Like every Saturday at night, they had a show called Street Flavor. Like at 12 o'clock, it would come on. They would play rap videos. So, uh, I, a couple weeks went by where Street Flavor came on and I'm just sitting there watching it. And they would leave us out till two in the morning. Sometimes they would leave us out till breakfast. Like Terrell unit was wide fucking open, bro. Like it was, wide open. Like you could get a broom and a trash can and go from one side of the unit. I'm talking about taking cans of bugler strapped up. Nobody was going to fucking stop you. The tobacco. Yeah, the tobacco. Yeah, that's when tobacco was popping in there. Now everybody's

just in there on that fucking K2 shit. Right. Yeah. So he was a big player in the weed game. He had, dude, he had chicks coming in the cell. Like, really? Yeah, that dude was doing, that dude was doing whatever the fuck he wanted. How do people have cash in there? So you said that people were just Bro, they would either get it through visit or they'd have a guard bring it in. Right. And, you know, so they were just playing with cash money. So there was a whole economy with dollars. Yeah.

Hell, yeah, bro. Like you would get a can of bugler or a can of bugler was 100 cash. You know, a pack of bugler was 20 cash. But you could make so much fucking money off of it. You broke it. You could make so much commissary off if it was crazy. Dude, even like stamps. Like motherfuckers get stamps.

Like death row, that's, if you got a job on death row, all those dudes, the dudes on death row got big money because all those people, there's organizations from all over the world that are anti-death row. Right. And they just send these dudes bread. Right. And then there's women that are fascinated with these motherfuckers. So these dudes be having like women from Germany writing them.

Right. They'll sell you lists of these women that are want to date inmates and shit. For real? Yeah, it's crazy. Just as like a pen pal. Yeah, it's a pen pal. Yeah. I'll sell you this desperate fat chick from the Netherlands.

Some of them look good. Like my homeboy from the Southwest, he wound up marrying a chick from Germany. She was fine. Wow. Yeah, she looked real fucking good. She's like bad boys, dude. Yeah, yeah. Fuck, yeah.

Out of their minds. So he was doing his thing, but the white dudes were noticing like my swagger. Like I was starting to be a little bit more flamboyant. Like I would see my celly in the day room. He'd be like, look out little Timmy. They called me Little Timmy. Look out, little Timmy. I walk over there, start fucking me.

He started laughing. this crazy laugh. And I remember there was a black dude from the southwest. No, he's from the fifth ward. He's from the, he's from the fifth ward. And he was like, he's like, man, he's like, stop, stop bringing that white dude over here, bro.

You know what you're going to get him caught up. He knew he was going to get me caught in a jam with the white man. I see. So the white guys saw that you were hanging, like you were ingratiating yourself with the blacks and they didn't like it. They didn't like it. Got it. So, you guys,

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We're happy that you are on board with our show. One Saturday, it was like the third Saturday I was there. Street flavor comes on. And I used to listen to like a lot of three six mafia, right? And I remember that three six mafia comes on, bro. And I next thing I know I'm off the wall. Because I wouldn't really sit at the table with the white dudes. I would stand on the wall.

even when I, like, wound up, like, switching sides, I still stood on the wall. I still watched everybody. That's all I would do. Like, my whole time there would be standing on the wall watching motherfuckers. Like, I never sat at tables ever. So, fucking, next time I know I come up off the wall and I'm under the TV and I'm listening. They got that sipping on some scissors. And I'm over there popping to this motherfucker.

And I'm, yeah, da-da-da. And next day I know I turn around and my cellie and then they're fucking. laughing and they used to drink these drinks these um heart uh heart uh blood pressure pills in there they called them stop signs i don't know what the real pills were but they would crush them up and they would throw them in their coffee so in texas prisons they got these drinks they call them pretties where they would be a coffee mint stick some type of kuley jolly ranchers and they would call them pretty so they would all share this cup of stop signs these motherfuckers be leaning nod and like they were sipping serb or some shit it was really big amongst the houston

click like they like the shit so i remember uh when the song end i turned around and i walked back over to the wall and i looked to the right to the woods table and white dude waved me over there and he's all like man what the fuck you too do do do and i don't mean to offend nobody when i say this i'm just saying it for the story he's all like you over there acting like a fucking nigger motherfucker whoa what the fuck we're fucking over here looking out for you you know what the fuck could have happened to you in here who you could have been somebody's bitch like He's talking to me like that. And it's a big ass cracker, bro.

He's fucking, he's like your size, but yoke. Because they still had free weights and shit in the system. And they had got me on the bodybuilders team with them. So I'm working out with them in the gym. We still had creatine in the system and shit like that. So he's like, oh, we've done for you. We got you a good fucking job. You're going to make us look stupid like that.

And I looked at him and I was like, I was like, bro. I was like, I didn't know that I was doing something wrong. And he's like, all right, don't fucking do it again. He's like, you know, I'm the one that's basically keeping everybody from you. He's like, because I see myself and you. Because he had, he had came from T.Y.C. Which is juvenile to Bill Clemens unit, which is like a youngster farm, to regular prison. So he had been in prison since he was like 14 years old.

And he was in his 30s. So he had a life sentence. So he was like a state raised kid. So he's like, I see up myself in you. So I'm like, I'm like, all right, that kind of touched my heart. So we go up in the cell and I tell my cell, I'm like, bro, I was like, I was like fucking homeboy, you know, blah, blah, blah. And he's like, he's like, bro, he's like, you need to just chill.

Because if not, they're going to pay some people to smash you. That's what it's going to be. That's where it's going to go. So I'm like, all right, one more weekend goes by. I don't go up to the TV. The next weekend goes by. And boom, here goes. Three Six Mafia comes on.

I go back under the TV and I start jamming. But there's no whites in the day room. So I'm thinking I'm good. But one of them was awake. I think either somebody was awake or somebody told them. So I go into the TV and I'm jamming. Well, you remember how I told you they'd have those two buckets full of food? They got a big ass stack of burritos that they get from the kitchen.

So they're rolling up burritos eating burritos and shit. And he's all like, look out little Timmy, you want a taco? And that same fool from Fifth Ward, he's like, man, don't give no taco, bro. Because he knows I'm not supposed to eat with them, not in public. Now, if you're in the cell, you can eat with your celly. If he's a different race, you can eat in the cell behind closed doors. They permit it. So he hands me a taco.

I'm thinking it's all good. It's not. So I smashed the taco. Boom, we go up in the cell. The next morning I come out to go to breakfast. The white dudes, all of them are out. And they're all at the table. And they're fucking laced up.

They look hot. So I walk over there. I'm like, what's up, y'all? Because I usually walk with them to chow. We all walk together. No, hell, no, you ain't fucking with us. Don't fuck with us. Fucking race trading ass, motherfucker.

You fucking toad loving ass, woo. You wanna fucking be with the fucking nigga, woo, you fucking be with them, like going at me like that. You're on your fucking own. You want to see what the penitentiary's about. You're about to fucking find out. So boom, they walk off.

A part of me was scared, but a part of me was relieved because hanging out with them, I felt fake as fuck. And it's very, like, I'm the type of person, I can't keep my mouth shut for long. like I'm just not built like that. So when I come back from Chow,

my cellie's usually asleep, he's awake. I'm about to go to work. And I was like, hey, bro. He's like, what's up? So I told him what was up, what happened? And he said, they're not going to fuck with you over here because of me. He goes, because they're not going to run in this cell

because they got to get my permission. He's like, they're going to fuck with you at work. And he's all like, so just be ready for something to pop off at work. Were you worried having seen that dude get stabbed? Were you worried that it could go there? Yeah, because another stabbing had already happened in the chow hall. Fuck. Yeah, between the whites.

So the ABT and the AC were worn. But I think it was a white knight that got killed in the chow hall. So this is with my first month being there. So we're in the chow hall. And when you enter the first chow hall, everything's to the left and you come. then it's the chow line like this. You come down and then they had like these meal cards that had like a calendar date on it.

So you give it to the law and either he had punch a hole in it or he had mark it with a marker. So when you come out, everything's open. But to the right, like say I'm in the line. If I look across here, it's called the scullery where you like you throw your dishes and shit at. So this white dude, they had caught him at the scullery putting his tray in. And as soon as he turned, these two white boys were on him. They start hitting this motherfucker. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

Boom, boom, boom. And bro, in TDC, everything is white. Dog, his shit was soaked fucking white, and it, like, turned pink. So from what I heard was they stabbed him so many times his guts fell out. But this is what makes the Chow Hall so dangerous. That's why, like, once you get acclimated to prison in Texas, if you got bread, you really don't go to the Chow Hall, especially on a fucked up farm because that's where shit's going to pop off.

Wow. I've never heard that. I've heard that chow is everywhere else, like chow is no man's land. No. Because we're trying to eat. Oh, no. That's where they, because if they can't get you anywhere else, if they can't fall out of place and get you, they want to get you at Chow. Oh, okay.

That's where they want to get you at. So that dude didn't make it. No, no, hell no, they killed him. And I think he was a white, I don't remember what he was, but I know he was family. I heard it was a mistake identity. I heard like, because like back then you could write prisoner to a prisoner. So what I heard was it was like a bad kite. that got sent like it was bad information.

That's what I heard. I don't know how true it was because I wasn't in that circle. Right. But they slam the chow hall doors, right? And they lock everybody in there. So they start, the windows all got like little squares where they can put their gas guns and shoot their grenades in there. But back then they had this thing called a fogger.

And it's illegal now. They can't use it. I think that motherfucker ran off a diesel. It was a goddamn like a weed leaf blower, right? It had a big ass orange box with them. You know, you know that's Mexicans operating. that. Dude, so the fog or the, it's like this and you see a metal tube going around like the plastic.

I hear them, because they're shooting gas in there and they're going, lay it down. Lay it down. So everybody who doesn't want to get like charged with something, they're all hitting the ground, laying down, right? So they're just fucking gasing this motherfucker with that orange gas. Your dude's snotts coming everywhere. You're crying. You can't breathe. So like, I'm like laying on the ground like this.

and I got my head in like a diamond, and I'm slowly trying to breathe because, you know, if you panic, it's going to make it worse. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's going to make it worse to where you can't breathe. So I'm trying not to fucking panic.

And all of a sudden I hear, grr, and all of a sudden I hear this black dude, he goes, man, they're about to try to kill us. They fogging us out. Next to you know, through the smoke,

I look to the left, and I see this thing come into the window and this motherfucker and just starts releasing orange gas. And he just starts fogging that motherfucker out because they're still stabbing his dude. Even when he hits the ground, they're still sticking him.

Fuck. Like they stuck this motherfucker up, bro. They come in there and they get us. My clothes are covered in fucking orange goddamn spray. I can't fucking breathe. Like that. So that was like stupid fucking crazy. That's insane.

So the white boys were about that mess. Oh, the ones that are about it or about it, bro. I mean, even if you still look at it now, they'll even say like especially in the feds like the white gangs are usually like the most like crazy like they'll cut your head off i mean does that guy like those dudes to stab that guy i'm i don't they worried about going to death row like it's texas dude at that time killing somebody in a texas prison seems like a suicide it is but dude they were getting away i think they gave those dudes 99 years for that shit because they went down to polk county but they were already lifers i'm sure probably right

but i mean dude the crazy thing about the families like and i'm a try and i'm a try tribal person, bro. So I like to be clicked up. Like, I like to have some stiff friends. You know what I'm saying? Like, I like that. I'm still like that to this day. Like, I like to have a little tribe with me. Um, but the thing that didn't entice me about being like down with them was like if you like prospected for the family, they like made you do their bitch work. Hold the knife. Hold the tobacco. Oh, this dude owes us $100. Go stab them. And it's like, hold on. I. I'm. Hold on. I. I wasn't getting none of that. Like, I got five years. You want me to go stab this dude for you? Like, I didn't feel that. Like, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't fuck with that. Like, you want me to catch an L for you?

Like, I wasn't eating off that tobacco. Like, you weren't spreading that cheese around with us. Right. So, like, I didn't fuck with that. And to me, the black dudes and the Mexicans, it seemed, well, the Tango Blast. The Mexican families were the same way. Right. You know what I'm saying?

That's how, like, the blast was even created. you know what I'm saying which they turn into a whole other animal with themselves now because of power you know what I'm saying so like but even the blast like did they were like fair with their people like they were they were all love

everybody ate together like it was looking out for each other and the blacks were the same way it was like a brotherhood they all looked out for each other and shit like that so that shit attracts me so fast forward he tells me he's like it's gonna go down

in the furniture factory so um where I worked at it had shelves like Home Depot or Lowe's, the orange shelves, and I had like a real like push ladder. I could walk real high in the air and I built these face frames for cabinets. So I had went out to the one department and I was hanging out with the black dudes and we were all chilling, shopping it up.

My home boy Slim from Austin, he was a rolling 60s crypt. We were kicking it. We had caught chain together. He looked like that rapper fabulous. Well, his cousin, ugly buddy, worked in an area that was called the sap room. so the whites had paid him so they could bring me in that sap room and they were going to try to get me

life flighted off the unit killed me whatever they were going to do they were going to get me off so they paid him well he just so happened to look out the doors of the sap room and see me and his cousin kicking it so I find out all this out later on so he calls his cousin over there and he's like

hey what's up with you and that white boy and he'd be like that's my home boy so he asked him he's like are you going to ride for him, which means are you going to fight with him? And he's like, yeah, that's my dude, bro. He's like, bro, that fool grew up with us, bro. He's, he's cool. He's cool as fuck.

So he tells him what's up. Well, little do I know my celly told the Houston cats out there in the furniture factory that if something happens, make sure it's one on, like it's fair. Like, don't let him just do me in type of way. So Slim goes over and starts telling the Houston dudes, because he knew all this. I don't know none of this shit. He tells him, hey, these fools didn't pay him to go back here, and they're going to try to light, fly them off the unit.

So the white dudes, they come to me, and they're all like, now I'm back in my area, and they're all like, hey, bro, look out Tim. I turn around. I'm like, what's up, bro? And they're like, you want to, after count time, you want to come smoke some bud with us in the back. And I'm like, yeah, hell yeah, I'm down. Like, I just like, it just like regurgitated out of my mouth, not even thinking that the white dudes done told me I'm on my own.

Like, I did, like, total, like, caught me off guard. and you like, you know, sometimes when you say something, you're like, why the fuck I just say that shit? And that's exactly what happened. And I didn't learn this until later on, but a guy had told me one of my homeboys, he was all like, uh, the eyes or the keys to someone's soul. And he's like, you know why we didn't press you when you came onto the farm? Like we've pressed other people no matter what color they were.

He's like, because your eyes. Like, yeah, you were a kid, you were real young, but we could tell by your eyes, like you weren't trying to look hard. You just had this look about you where it was like, Whatever happens, I'm down for it. It is what it is type shit. So they walk off and I just get this eerie dread feeling like, fuck, something bad's going to happen. So count time happens.

I'm in there. I'm building my face frames. All of a sudden they come. They're like, hey, look out, Tim. Come on. Let's go. And when I turn around and look at them, these motherfuckers look like straight wolves. Like, I just see it.

Like they just look like some goddamn salivating wolves. They know they're about to fuck me off. well I see one of them like look past me like that and I follow his eyes and I look and all these black dudes from H-town plus them two Crips come from behind the fucking shelves and I hear him oh what's up what's up what's up y'all and they're all like shit you know what's up you're about to try to take the little homie in the back and smash them so i'm looking and now like i kind of turned sideways so i'm looking to the left and looking to the right and they were like so this the deal we're going to let y'all back doing right now one-on-one if he fade y'all don't fuck with them again or houston's going to ride on you motherfuckers and they were the biggest click on the unit at the time so i looked so they were like shit get after it homie so i take my fucking shirt off boom i started

getting after it with one white dude. He's a little bit bigger than me, but I'm getting with him. Like, it was, he beat me up, but he didn't, like, dog me out. It was, like, pretty much an even fight, but this shit ain't no time. It's not a time thing. Like, this isn't a heart check. Like, this is a back door. So we're fighting, and then he stops, and he's like, nah, I'm going again. So I'm fighting these dudes for rounds. So I fight four crackers back to back. I don't know if you can see, but I have a scar here. I got one. It's either here or there, and I got one there. and if I was to shave my head, I got two up here. That all, I got all those scars from that event right there.

Wow. And you guys are in, you're not in the cell. No, we're in the work unit. Yeah, we're in the work unit. The laws already know this is going down. Wow. And they just let it happen. They hell yeah, they let it happen.

So we're in between the aisles and we're catching scratch. And I remember the last dude that I fought, he was a big ass cracker. And, man, his dude's beating the shit out of me. And you, like I told you, you can't wrestle in there. Anything on the feet at this time went, but you. You can't wrestle. So when he, like, gets up on me, I try to grab me, shus me off. He's like, ain't no wrestling.

So he's all like, you breaking, you breaking? And when they say, are you breaking? That means, like, are you, like, are you quitting? You know what I'm. You breaking? You're breaking. Like, he's like, lean down, looking up at me. Because my arms are jello.

Yeah, you're exhausted. Yeah, I don't have. This is exhausting. I don't have shit left. I'm bleeding. I got to cut in my mouth, a scar that goes all the way across here. Like, one of them hit me and my teeth went inside my mouth, but they didn't come out the other end.

Bro, my head is lung. lumped up. I'm bleeding out my ears. And bro, I remember I looked up at him and I started fucking crying again. That anger came out of me and I was like, and I said basically like the same thing, I ain't sucking nobody's dick. I ain't fucking

washing no laundry. They're like, dude, we weren't expecting that, but now that you mention it. Yeah. I got a dick full of cum. Yeah. So I start like throwing my body and like hurling my arms trying to hit them because I can't swing them like

my there's so much blood in my forearms i can't even really make a fist and this dude's just sidestepping me boom boom but i never dropped not one time i don't know how i never fucking dropped and the crazy thing was i never felt any pain and uh he after that that whole little scene he stepped back and i remember i was like leaned over holding myself like this and blood is just dripping on the ground we're even sliding on the blood and um i fucking look up at him he looks up at me he goes he's like, you break in, you break in? And I was all like, you got me fucked up for you. I'm not going to have to kill me in this bitch.

It's just what it is, bro. We're going to have to kill me. And he was just like, shit, I'm done. And he walks off. So, bro, we leave. And when they leave, so when you come into the job, they strip you out butt-ass naked. And when you leave, they strip you out butt-ass naked.

So I'm leaving the unit to come, because we're off the unit and now we're coming back on the farm. So I'm stripping out in front of the laws, bleeding everywhere. My white clothes are soaked in blood. It looks like you got stabbed, probably. Yeah, I'm fucked up. So I take my boots off and I put my free world tennis shoes back on because I still got my shoes.

So when we come in, it's called A Turnout. We come through A Turnout. So like in TDC, like when you go to lunch, usually like there's like a, well in that area, there's like a phone right there by the Chow Hall. And usually like all the top rank is there, the captain, the major, the ward and the assistant ward and shit like that. So I'm walking and I'm with the black dudes. and they're all like just keep on walking fool don't even look at them. So I'm mobbing

and they're all like, look out, look out Wigger. They would call me like Wigger or M&M or Leroy. They would all fuck with me right. The law is fucking hating me bro. And I come over there and I walk over there and back then, they don't do this now in TDC but back then like if you were talking to an officer and you were

like moving your hands, they could act like that was a threatening gesture especially if you guys weren't a heated talk so the best thing to do would be to walk and put your hands behind your back like you're in the military or some shit so I walked and I put my hands behind my back and I'm like yes sir

and he is like the fuck happened to you and I was like you know what it is and he's looked at me goes I see you still got your shoes on your feet and I was like yes sir and he was all like

welcome to taro unit grab he tells me he's like going to child wraps his arm around me walks into the child he's like watch out and he starts taking me past everybody. Everybody in the child is looking at me. Hey, load them up.

Load them up. They fucking just load my tray up. I'm talking about stack it with fucking food. I go and I sit down. My mouth is leaking, dog. Like, I've got blood coming all over me. My eyes are leaking. I'm sitting there looking and my fucking hands are like this. And I'm like, because you remember how I told you like,

so like if the whites, so if the whites don't want to fuck would be no more, now I'm fair a game. even though the black said, well, we got us back, I don't know if the Mexicans are coming next. Right. So I'm like, fuck, if I go through this again, like, this was some shit, dude. Do you think they would have tried to kill you

if the Houston blacks hadn't stopped them? Wow. That was exactly what they were going to go to. Could you get a knife back there? Or I guess they could have just stomped you out. No, they had. They did just so easy to get a knife back then. Bro, they could get box cutters all day long.

You could buy a box cutter on a tarol unit back then for five Jack Mack can. and Jack Mack cans were 80 cents. Fuck. And you could get a box cutter for five, Jack. It was so wide open. They had the laws on payroll. They were taking, the laws were dropping off to them. The family.

Yeah. So they could do what the fuck they want. Because dude, like in Texas, they probably do this in other states too. But in Texas, when you die on print, they're not going to let your family get in a autopsy. They're going to lie. Oh, he died of suicide. Oh, he died. Like, he died on his way to the hospital.

Like, they're going to make up a lie. It's so corrupt and unempathetic. Oh, yeah. It's crazy. Straight fucked up dog light. So I can't eat. So yeah. All right.

So now you've got, you're free from the whites, but now you're not clicked up. I'm not clicked up. And are the blacks going to let you be part of them? Well, so I was kicking it with the Houston dudes, but there was a lot of blacks that weren't feeling me. Because they're like, when a romewomen. race riot pops off who you're going to ride with because they called back then it was an old terminology called putting yourself on the cross so they're like you're putting yourself on the cross because if we riot with the Mexicans they're going to come after you first because you're a race

traitor or if we riot with the whites they're definitely coming for so you basically are putting a target on your back and they're like are you really built like that so there were some black dudes fucking with me and there was other the majority so we'll say like out of 100% we'll say probably like 30 40 of the blacks were fucking with me and the rest weren't. Right. The rest weren't. But Moselli was, you know, really the person why they were fucking with me.

Because, like, even, like, when I went back to the child, I just went through my tray and the scullery. And I went back to the child. So as soon as I entered the building, the barbershop was to the left and, like, the guards pick of this right here. So Moselli's in there with his homies drinking coffee, chilling, talking shit. He's like, look out, Timmy, come here. I went over there.

And, you know, any other time the guards would be. been like, where to fuck you going? But because it's him, they fuck with this cat. And he's been there since the unit opened. So he's been there since like 92, 93. It's now about to be 2001. So he's been there this whole time. They all know this motherfucker.

He was like one of the first dudes on there that opened the unit. So when I walk in there, he's all like, he's like, man, I heard, you took your pet there. Like, hell yo, Timmy got out. And I just remember, I said, man, I started crying. I like, I guess I had like an adrenaline dump. And I just started crying. And they were like, man, what's wrong, fool?

And I'm like, bro, I need a knife. And they're like, what? They're like, bro, you're trying to catch an L up in here? You tripping to? They're all laughing. And I'm like, bro, if I'm going to have to fight like that again sometime soon, I need a fucking knife. Yeah.

Like, I don't know if I can fade that again. Like, because now the pain is, the pain is coming. My head's throbbing. I got knots fucking everywhere. Like, dude, like, I'm starting to feel it. My hands are swelled up. I don't know if I broke my hands, which I did. in it. But dude, like my whole body is starting to hurt now. And I'm like, and they're like,

bro, nobody's going to fuck with you. So I'm like, what about the essays? And they're like, bro, we got you. Just chill. Stay the fuck out the way. Don't speak on nothing. Shut the fuck up. And you're good. So everything was really cool, bro. Like, I was cool, chilling. You know what I'm saying? Got into like fucking around and shit like that. Fucking like, you know, sell cigarettes. Got into gambling. But what happened was some black dudes started testing me. So like, say a black dude will walk up. I see him like kind of like, I might be talking to the black dudes on the wreck yard or something, but I see him kind of like look at me like, bitch ass white boy. I got to speak on that now. So I'd be like, man, what's up, fool? You got a problem.

You, man, you're kicking a fake ass white boy. You ain't shit. Dda-da-da-da-a-de-a. weak-ass white boy, I'll slap your bitch ass. So now I got to fight this fool. So I'm steady fighting. And you go to the hole? Do you catch tickets for fighting in Texas prison? Not at this time. They didn't give a fuck.

On taro unit, they don't give a fuck. At this time, it's wide fucking open, bro. When I'm telling you, it was no man's land. It's fucking no man's land. Like, it is, it is like there's a transfer facility. It's like half state jail, half TDC. see it's called Hutchins unit up by Dallas. They call it Club Hutchins.

You can do what the fuck you want to do on that motherfucker. Tell balloons and cigarettes and drugs. The broads are dropping off like crazy. They don't give a fuck because most of them are from Dallas. So you got all these Dallas motherfuckers right there. So they know these motherfuckers are in their backyard. Like when you go out on the rec yard, if you're on, depending on what's out of it,

you can see the sign for Oak Cliff. Right. So these motherfuckers be having chicks come up and it's wide open. You can do what you want to fucking do there. As long as you're cool, you could get away with what you want to get away with. And that's how Terrell was. Like Terrell unit, you could sit in the day room with no shirt on and just your gym shorts.

You would call rec. You could leave the pod not fully dressed. You could walk straight to the wreck yard. Like, you could go from lunch and just go to the pick and be like, hey, I want to go to wreck. They ain't even called wreck yet. They would let you on the wreck. You could basically live on the wreck yard all day long. This is how wide open it was.

But, dude, like, there were so many, like, stabbing and shit on the rec yard because, like, there was a like a corner of the rec yard that was grass. So like now all the recyards in TDC are concrete. Terro unit is the main reason why all the fucking the, the wreckyards got fully concreted. Because people are hiding weapons in their shit. Yeah, and pulling them out on the wreckyard. They'll start a ride on the wreckyard.

Like the one that really, the one that got ours cemented up, we were the first one that got done. I was on medium custody. So medium custody, you only get to come out for day room for four hours. They might turn the TV on. They might not. They might not even give you day room time.

They'll be like, hey, we're letting you out for chow. But it took forever to run chow. So when you come back from chow and they never turn the TV on, they'll come in a back, like, rack it up. We'll be like, dog, what's up with the day room? Like, I didn't even get my shower shit out. So now you're birdbathing in the fucking toilet. Like, that's the type of ho-ass games that they'll fucking play

when you're on medium custody. So we're on medium custody. this is like fast forward. I'll tell you how I got there right after the story. But we're on the rec yard working out me and this little crypt fool from Waco. And I see the essays,

they like form a line at that. So like there's a wall. So you have like say eight building and seven building. And there's a wall that separates them. But at the very end of the wall down here, they can talk to each other. And that's where the handball court

and shit is is up on that wall. So I see and there's a volleyball court right there. But not too many mess. Skins play volleyball. It's mainly like whites or like some off-brand motherfuckers playing volleyball. Not really, nobody plays that shit. So all these essays are lined up in a row blocking the grass and they're playing volleyball. So I'm like, man, I look at, I can't remember his name. I just know he's from Waco. So I just called him Waco. And I'm like, I'm like, look out Waco. I'm like, David.

Yeah. No. For real, the Brants, Davidians. A wacko, dog. That's what we used to call that. After that David Cresson, we called it Wacko, Waco. I'm like, bro, what the fuck of the Mexicans over there doing, dog? Next to you know, like one of them kind of like gap too far,

and I see this motherfucker pulled a goddamn sword about that motherfucker. These fools are pulling big, big boy shanks, and then their homies are standing like this, so they're coming up and arming them. And next to you know, they just started fucking rushing the goddamn, the other Mexican dudes on the fucking handball court. and it's just, the fucking stabbing,

moving, we're moving, we're trying to get out the fucking way. Everybody's running around. They're coming all on the basketball court. Laws are shooting gas. Gas is going everywhere. These motherfuckers are running down here, but it's a riot on the rec yard.

So, like, dude, it's hard to stop that shit. You know what I'm saying? So then what are you supposed to do? Dude, just get the fuck out the way. It ain't your business. Get the fuck out the way. Don't speak on it. Don't get in no.

And hope nobody, the melee doesn't come towards you. And just get the fuck. Catch the fuck. Catch the fence, catch a wall, get your back to somebody who you trust, and get the fuck out the way. That shit was stupid fucking crazy. That's crazy. I seen dudes like picking up the grenades, like the canisters with their shirts and throwing them.

Wow. Yeah. It's like guerrilla warfare. Yeah. She was like straight up like that, bro. So who was that? That's like the Southsiders and North Siders? Nah, they don't have that in Texas?

Who are the essays? Dude. Who's banging like that? I don't even. I heard. Dude, so I didn't really, Tango versus Mexican mafia. I never really saw the Tangoes play

with knives down there like that. They mainly, like, I'm not talking no shit. I never really saw them play with steel like that. I saw them mainly beat the fuck out of motherfuckers. So then who could that have been? That was, it was two families. I heard it, I heard there were some T.S involved. I heard it was like

pistoleros. But, see, the thing is, is like, seg, they started segging those dudes up a lot, bro, because they created this shit called, it's like the Safe Prisons Act, Priya. And they started segging these motherfuckers up, the white gangs. They all, so only the white gangs and Mexican gangs in TDC, the families are considered security threat groups.

So like, if you go to TDC today and you're an XAB AC, Mexican Mafia, TS, as soon as you get off the bus, they're segging you up. They don't let them motherfuckers walk. That's one of the reasons why the blast got so fucking big. And people don't talk about that. They're like, oh, we aired them out. Yeah, y'all did air them out, but y'all also kind of had help from the administration because the administration was seconding the motherfuckers up.

Plus, these motherfuckers play for keeps. They're stabbing their people. Like Marcelli, he had a life sentence in the state and the feds, T.S. Cat. And that motherfucker he told me, because this is when I was banging. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, like blood in Spanish is like sangre. So he's like, he's like, yeah, so you roll with the sangres. He's like, see, we don't play like that.

My people don't play like that. And I was like, what you're talking about? He's like, see, y'all fight with us. If it's worth fighting about, it's worth killing about. So like, you know, and right after he said that to me, like, not even a month later, he stabbed a dude up. And they got rid of his ass. Like, he was about that action, like straight up. When you say banging, who are you banging with?

I was a blood. I was a five-nine bounty hunter down there. So this is still your first bit. This is still my first bid, yeah. So at this time, so that how did that, yeah, how did that happen? How did you as a white kid, a kid still? Yeah. How were you able to, how were the bloods letting people in?

So, like, letting you in. So let me in was, there was an OG blood from Cali named P. Stone. He was a P.stone blood. And me and him became gambling partners. And we were like super tight. But because I used to fuck with a bunch of bloods in the world, like when I was California. I lived in Eagle Rock, but I used to go to Pasadena because it's right next door. So like I got cool with like a bunch of Pasadena, Denver lanes out there.

So like I always wore red. Like I knew how to lock up. Like I knew everything. So like and being out there in Cali like hanging out with them dudes like at the park and stuff like that. Like I knew like knowledge. I knew things. So Peastone being from Cali, he fucked with that. And then there was other bloods that were like from Temple. or Waco, and there wasn't, like, now you go to prison, there's a bunch of, like, 254, they send tech, Central Texas cats up in there, but at this time it wasn't a lot. So, like, the few that are there, like, and that's the crazy thing about, like, Texas, like, say you're from the 254, you know what I'm saying?

Like, if a 254 cat has got jumped or something, like, it'll kind of like, like, he could be in a different gang, but, like, say it's a blood that got jumped by some Mexican dudes. Crips, if they're GD, whatever, from the 254, they're going to get involved. They're going to be like, oh, that fool from 254. It's become like a whole, like, kind of car, basically, what you would say. Like, it crosses kind of like boundaries type shit. So what happened was there was an officer, and I'm going to say her fucking name. She probably still works there.

Her name is Miss Ring. So at this time, I'm fully kicking it with the black dudes. I'm accepted. Like, I got respect from everybody. Everybody's fucking with me. She's not to find. anymore. Yeah, nobody's fucking with me.

I got him been here for about a year now. There's been multiple riots since I've been there. Motherfuckers getting split with canned goods. Like, fools used to take canned goods, like, especially the refried bean cans, and they had drop him in like a sock or two socks sideways, and they had tied up like a knot, and they'd fucking come and split you over the head with that shit, dog.

Like, just straight brutal brutality. Like, I seen a dude get the back. He got hit right here. He got hit with a refried bean can. and bro, his whole scalp uplifted and, like, fell to the side, and he fell to the ground. It was just fucking shaking and just blood was everywhere, dog. And it was over two soups.

Two ramen noodles. God damn. Like, dude, crazy shit. So, um, bro, I'm on, I remember I'm on four building. I'm on the rec yard working. And, uh, the white chick, she's brand new. She's an OJT. So she comes out to do count.

And she's watching me. So me and my homeboys are working out. And my homeboys, they would, like, they would baby oil up and shit while they would work out. These motherfuckers are ripped the fuck up, dog. Like, they're stupid rip. And this one, his name was Bezo. He's like, damn, Timmy, baby, she's feeling you. She's feeling you, baby.

She's looking at you, baby. And, you know, I'm the smallest one out of all of them, right? These motherfuckers are ripped. So she comes out. She's steady staring at me. So they're like, go get at her, baby. Go get at her. So I'll fall over there.

And I'm like, what's up? and she looks at me, she's like, why the fuck you act like a nigger? And I was like, that's a letdown. Yeah, I'm like, I'm thinking I'm about to hit the mule. I'm not to get it on. Like, I'm like, yeah. So, because I don't, I'm not right now at this point in time, like, I'm fully engulfed in the game.

Like, I got a guard on my team. Like, I'm doing my thing. Wow. Like, I'm fully engulfed, like, ball fade every day when I want, doing what I want. Like, motherfuckers is fucking with me because the, the, the majority of the officers there are black because they all come from like the surrounding towns like Jasper and Cleveland these whole areas

so you know they're fucking with me because these Houston cats are fucking with me so I basically got the green like they're fucking with me like that so I'm like what the fuck so she walks off so one of the guards her sister was on my team

so I went up to the gate and I'm like look out I started calling after she comes I said hey bro I said I tell her what the white lady said and she's like what I'm like, bro, watch her. And she's all like, we got you, we got you. Well, she comes by myself for count. And in TDC at this time,

OJTs couldn't write cases. So they could write cases, but they wouldn't go nowhere because they're brand new. They're on the job training, right? So like, and Terrell unit was one of those units that they didn't like to write cases because dudes over there had a lot of time. And motherfuckers over there fucked laws up on their regular.

like laws now, dude, tarol unit changed the whole system, bro. So the laws now, they wear flat jackets everywhere they go.

Like, tarol unit, it's called Polonski, they have like the most cameras in the system. But they put up these, like,

they look like cameras, but they weren't. They were like emergency things. And they would wear this button so if an inmate would fuck them up, they could either hit it or they could pull like the switch key and it started going off

and you would hear, code red, code red, officer down, code red, code red, Code Red officer down. So, because they were whooping laws over there, like the Crips and the GDs, they were whooping nothing but rank over there, dog.

For real? Yeah, they were, they fucked the warden up. They broke his jaw. Like, it was, dude, they was some... That's fucking wild. Dude, it was getting gang. Dude, I ain't lying to you, bro. The sergeant, I'll tell you the story. Did you see that video that just came out? Like, last week, it was, uh,

I think it was, maybe it was in Texas. It might have been in Ohio. This fucking white lady She had a body cam on, you know, and she was just talking mad shit to this black guy in like, you know, whatever on the day room somewhere. And he was like, please don't. He was like begging her. He was like, please don't make me do this. And she just kept talking shit.

She kept trying to make him cuff up for like no reason. And he just beats the shit out of her. It's no satisfying. You've never seen, you've never, you've never been so satisfied by seeing a woman get hit. Dude, I'm not going to lie to you, bro. Like, when I told you earlier, like, I really don't have, like, a problem with, like, I know that there's good cops and stuff like that.

Like, bro, the law enforcement that I have, like, that I have probably the most prejudice towards besides, like, probably the federal government is fucking prison guards. Oh, for sure, yeah. They're fucking pieces. There are some good ones in there. But it's like, they're the lowest law enforcement. So you're going to get the worst kind of people.

Bro, they got the power. Like, dude, there was a one. lady in there. She's probably still working in there, so, you know, I won't say her name. But she used to fuck with this black dude. He had a life sentence. He kind of at throat off and shit, he'd be talking to himself and stuff like that. And she went in there and started shaking his cell down. She started pulling all his photos out of his photo album, stomping on him, throwing him on the ground. She was just fucked up like that. And he's standing in the day room, he's just like screaming, please stop. Please stop doing this to me. She was always like fucking with him.

And bro, he ran up the stairs to two row, ran in the cell, fucking slam the door, beat the fucking shit out of her, bro. I'm talking about he straight curb stomped her. He put her fucking face on the toilet and started smashing her. It knocked all her teeth out. She was gone for a couple of years. Her husband wound up leaving her. She was in a coma. They said for like three months her husband left her.

They shipped that dude, and then he got beat to death and sick. By the guards? Yeah, they beat this other woman up. They used to call her Freddie Kruger. This fool smashed her out. Bro, and I didn't see that one, but he smashed her out when they were transferring him and said he came up dead too. Yeah. Yeah, and her husband actually got in trouble behind that shit.

All right. Yeah, I don't think he got any charges, but he lost his job behind it. Yeah. Yeah, that's, and this is the same prison where you're at. young Tyler. So, so take us into how you, yeah, how did that incident with the, the white lady, the racist white cop,

how did that? So she walks by my cell and she's like, let me see your ID. Because usually when they count, they'll just look in the cell and they go top or bottom. You like bottom. But she's like, let me see your,

she goes top or bottom. And I was like, bottom. She's like, let me see your ID. So I walk up, I show her my ID. She gives it back to me. And she's just giving me this like penetrating fucking stare, dude, evil as fuck. And I'm just like,

the fuck is this broad's problem. So next thing you know, I'm working at night. SSI, I got an SSI job. I'm trafficking and trading. I'm doing what the fuck I wanted to do. And that's where you're at death row. No, I hadn't got the death row yet. I'm going to tell you how I got that death row job.

Are you making money as SSI? What are you passing for people? Dude, fucking whatever. Cites, cigarettes, bud. Right. Any, you know, except for steel. I ain't fucking with the steel. but I'm making moves myself, you know, so I'm moving packs.

We're making it happen, dog. We? Yeah, whatever, bro. It's packs, packs, a bugle, bud, whatever. It's going down. So you're making money. Yeah, I'm making, I'm making bread. So fucking, um, next thing, I know I'm laying on my bunk trying to get some sleep

and the lieutenant comes and kicks my cell door. Doom, doom, doom. And I like, look up at him to the left. I'm like, I'm like, what's up, bro? He's like, get your bitch ass up. I get up and I was like man Who fuck you talking to like that bro He's all like man pack your shit up

You're going to G pod So G pod was on 7 building So you remember when I told you that the Crips And the folks started whooping laws So what they started doing was They started coming down on the rec yards With the camera and filming inmates So any inmate that was

Like dressed in what they call tight whites Like brand new whites press The player motherfuckers They were taking their jobs If you were associating with rips, dudes that weren't even nothing. There was dudes that were Muslims. There was dudes that were ex-game, but they were just coming up,

hey, pack your cell, and they were, they, seven, so seven building was all medium custody, but they made G-Pod minimum overflow. So all these dudes that were on medium custody, they just, on that pod, they made them minimum custody. They just rotated them out, and they put all these gang members on G-Pod, and they did the same thing on closed custody. So dudes that had just caught fresh, dirty UA's and went to closed custody, they were bringing them all back up and they were shipping

crips and GDs and solos. Like anybody who they felt was associated, they were putting them on clothes. They like totally, and then they wouldn't even let them out their cells. Like they were keeping them locked down. And the ones like on, say on GPod that they didn't know for sure about them, they would let them out.

So there was dudes that would be locked up seeing other guys kick it in the day room. So I was like, I was like, what's up? He's like, you got a case here. I was like, a case for what? threatening an officer refusing to obey a direct order now in TDC a threatening an officer case

is immediately PhD which is called pre-hearing detention it's segregation and you go back there like if you get into a fight and they lock you up that's where they take you is to PhD

and you sit back there to wait to go to what's called major court for like a major case like a shot what you would call a shot but they don't call them shots here so I'm like like what the fuck I was like

what are even talking about bro he's like pack your shit you're moving to G-pod. So I'm like, what the fuck? They took my job, everything. I ain't even been to court. Nothing even happened. I'm like, what the fuck? So everybody's like, man, what's up, Timmy? What's going on, Timmy? And I'm all like, I don't know, fool. So boom, I go to G-Pod. I'm on G-pod. I'm on G-pod. I go to court. I go to major court. So the warden's in there. Everybody's in there, and I'm looking, and I'm all like, and they're like, oh, you got a threat in an officer case. And I was all like,

I didn't even do nothing, bro. And I was like, let me ask y'all something. If I I threaten this lady, why ain't I in Ph.D. right now? Why am I out? What the fuck is going on? What kind of fucking kangaroo court? I was like, y'all don't took my job. I ain't even been to court yet. So they let me make it. They gave me minor punishment so I didn't get my

custody dropped. So I'm on now, I'm on this fully in fledged gang related pod. None of them are working. The only thing they have to let them do by law is go to school. So now you got a bunch of pissed off gang members who

maybe on the other side of the unit, they had chicks on their team. They were getting laid. They're making moves. Now they can't do shit. So they're fucking pissed. It's just, it's bad tension in the air, right?

So there's fights every day. Every day there's some type of drama going on. So my cellie, just so happened to be from Temple, he winds up discharging his 11-year sentence like two weeks later. He goes home. And my cell's open.

And all of a sudden there was a crypt dude on A-side that none of the Crips really liked. But the thing about the Crips and the Pentechentiary is like, and they're still like that to this day, they got like a no-lose policy. So like if you whoop a Crip, if you ain't cool with his homies,

like you're about to get jumped. Like they ain't letting that shit ride. That's just, that's just how they are, bro. So I know he's coming in my cell. I know nobody likes him. And I'm like, I'm like, fuck, bro. So, bro, he don't even make it in my cell

a full fucking week. It's like a Tuesday or Wednesday. He don't have no, property. I got a radio hot pot. I got everything you can think of. So I always try to be cool with my celly. So I'm like, hey, bro, if I'm not in a cell, you can listen to radio. You know what I'm saying? Like, you want a shot of coffee. I give you a shot of coffee, whatever type shit. But this guy was just like super weird and he was dirty. And I'm like a clean freak. So like usually in the prison here in Texas, like when you piss in the toilet, you flush the toilet as you're pissing

to keep back splash. But on some units, the toilets are low, so they'll tell you to drop to a knee. So you'll drop to your knee and piss. Like on Torres unit, the toilets are a little bit lower. So you'll drop to a knee and piss in the toilet to keep like the back splash and shit like that. And this fool was dirty as fuck,

and he would never take a shower. He would only bird bath in the sink. So I'm like, the fuck, bro. So I'm going to like his homies that I'm cool with and I'm all like, I'm like, bro, what's up with, what's up with this cat? And they're like, shit, Tim, fuck that fool. Fuck that five dude's fool.

Woo, fuck that fool. You know, we ain't fucking with them. Fool's lame. Fool's whack type shit. And so that weekend comes, I get a visit. I go into visit. I'm talking to my mom. I got a contact visit.

And I never tell my mom anything about prison life. Like, her and my brother came and seen me after I got my ass whooped. And my mom, like, they stood up and she just, just started crying. And they hugged me and I sat down. She was like being all kind of like dramatic. She's like, what's going on?

And I looked at it. I said, stop that shit right fucking now, bro. I was like, just stop. Don't ask me no fucking questions. You don't know who's listening in here.

You don't know what people are going to say. Just shut the fuck up. It is what it is. I'm okay. I'm good. Trust me. I'm fucking good. She's like,

you're not getting raped or are you? And I was like, nah, I'm going to fuck. You know, I'm like, no, I'm like,

that's the first thing they say, You ain't getting raped, are you? I'm like, no. Actually, yeah. Yeah. I wasn't going to tell you, but. I'm going to tell you that. So I look at her, and I'm so fucking hot.

I just tell her, I said, hey, man, you don't come back and visit me for, like, probably a year. And she's like, why? What's up? Because I had just got that major case, but I got minor punishment. So I'm like, hey, when I go back to my cell, I'm about to smash on my celly. And she's all like, don't, don't do that. I said, look, I'd hate to tell you this, but just don't come back

because it's going to be behind the window. And she was driving like five hours to come and see me. So I was like, and I can't call. There's no phones. So I'm like, just don't come back up here. I'll write you and let you know what's up. I'm sorry for telling you this, but I can't live with this motherfucker.

Like whatever's going on in the day room, I can put up with that. But being trapped in a confined space with somebody I ain't fucking with, shit's not happening. So when I came back, She was like, just try to get moved. But back in the game, that was considered like a catchout move.

Yeah, it's like a dropout. Yeah, like you're pulling some catchout shit. So when I come back, everybody's racked up. So, oh, because I forgot to tell you this, that Friday, so this dude moved in myself like a Tuesday or Wednesday. That Friday, an officer, when he was leaving shift, he didn't have his ID. So they locked a unit down looking for this dude's ID. Turned out the motherfucker never brought it to work. and they let him in without it,

but he lied and said he lost it at work. So the unit went on lockdown for like a couple weeks until he admitted that he lost his ID. So that's really what pushed my decision to smash on this fool because we were locked up together.

We can't get out the cell. Now we're racked up. I can't get no relief in the dayroom. And he never came out for fucking dayroom. So it was like, I'm not even getting no cell time because this motherfucker wants to sit in a cell all day.

So I come back and I go and holler at my homeboy from the H and I'm like, say fool. He's like, what's up? And I'm like, I'm about to smash on this motherfucker dog. And he's like, man, nah, no, no, he's like, let me holler. Let me holler at the serge and see if I can get you moved up in the cell with me.

So he like has this, you know, the notepads, how they have that cardboard on the back of it. So he has like a fake hand cut out. So he like starts going like this out the side of the door. And the laws fuck with him so much. They just pop a cell. So he comes down, we go down to the day room. I sit in the day room. He's like, hey, let me holler at the serge.

So he goes out there and talks to the serge to try to get me moved up in his cell. and the serge just tells him no. So when he comes back, he's like, he ain't going to do it, bro. And I'm like, all right. So he's like, man, holler at them cripp fools and see what they're going to say. Because now I'm a white dude about to try to fight one of their homies, which is like the ultimate sin, right? It'd be different if I was black, but I'm white.

So I start going to their cell one by one telling them what's up. They already don't like this motherfucker. So I'm just worried about getting jumped when lockdown ends. So I'm like, hey, fool, you know, ooh. and they're like, man, fuck that fool, Tim, you know what I'm saying? Handle your business. I'm like, I bet.

So I go in the cell, count time happens. I'll start packing my shit. Boom, boom, boom, boom, packing myself. He's got my headphones. I'm like, let me see my headphones, bro. So he looks at him, he's like, what's going on, Sally? And I'm all like, yeah, there's like this point

dexter voice, what's going on, Sally? And I'm like, bro, I was like, as soon as they get done counting, we're about to squab dog. Whoever loses, got to get the fuck up out here full. That's the rules. I already done talk to your people. They're already cool with it. And the TVs are off so everybody can hear what's going on. It's like you can drop a pin. Right. Except for radios blaring. So motherfuckers are in their door because I don't went

politic and telling them what's up. So he's like, oh man. So he just like sits on the stool where the table is. I pack up my two bags. I put them by the door. So say I'm in the cell right now, the wall straight like this. The bunk is going across like that. There's a table right. right here with two shelves and then there's a fucking pisser right here the pisser in the sink hook up so in texas prisons on the newer units the doors they have like two windows that are like this and it has like that intertwined like diamond-shaped metal so you can stick your towel in the door so i'm sitting by the door and i watch the law come i'm in i'm in one section one row five cell i'm on the first fucking floor he comes he walks all three sections come back goes up to two

row all three sections come back go to three row all three sections he comes down and his buddy comes and counts. Does the same shit. Once the last officer counts, they collect both counts and they take him up to the front to turn in the fucking count. So when I see that motherfucker walk out

that deal, I already got one of the things up in there and I just fucking turn the other one in there and I remember I fucking just turned and as I turned to him I kind of blacked out and I was like, bitch, and I just rushed him, stole him.

Boom, he jumps up. We start fucking thumping. Man, I'm getting with this motherfucker but I can't drop him. I split him open. I'm beating him. It's like his punches are going out here. But I'm getting with his ass, but I can't drop him.

And he's bigger than me. And he rushes me and he grabs, like when he rushes me and grabs me, like we start backing up and I trip over my commissary bags. And when I trip over my commissary bags, like the door is like sunk in so the panels come out. So, you know, it's concrete, but the edges of the concrete is metal. And I smack the back of my ear right here and I knock out. And I fall to the ground.

and when I hit the ground, I wake up. So like my head and my shoulders are up against the door, but my legs are straight. Well, somehow my legs were wrapped around them like this, like below the waist, and I got him by a shirt like this. And he's like trying to smash my head up against the door. So I fucking, I don't know why I did this

because it ain't like I had like no type of training or anything. I think maybe I got it from like WWF or some shit. I fucking sunk my hands under him, like got my underhooks, and I brought my fucking hands to his face right. here and I twisted my legs around his waist like that and I started pushing him up like that and stretching his lower body out fucking pushing his fucking face up and this motherfucker started screaming and I just fucking bit that motherfucker. Ah!

Fucking bit the fuck out of him. He started bleeding all over me. I started biting him again because I was trying to turn him and I couldn't so he stuck on me and this dude is like he was not like way bigger than me but he's he's built. And he's strong. Like I could feel his power. You know what I'm saying? He couldn't fight worth the lick, but he's stronger than me.

So I'm scared. He's on top of me. So I don't, like, I'm surviving by any means necessary, you know. So I just biting this motherfucker. Ah! He's bleeding all over me. Finding the laws come. They pop the door.

So they get us off. They handcuff us. This motherfucker like starts crying and shit. He attacked me. He's a racist. He hates me. He hates me. black people and the law looks at him he's like that's we know what's up with this fool

like we you know what ain't like that so the law the sards that wouldn't move me he's like either go back in the cell with him or we're going to take you to PhD so I was like bro I'm going back in a cell with that fool like now after we fight that's it I'm moving like I don't want to be in a cell with you anyways so they got the camera they videotape everything so they take me to PhD for two weeks and they send me to medium custody so the crazy about like prison, like especially Texas prisons is like say on minimum custody, like on that unit on A side, you might be the man. You might be hard. But once you hit medium custody or closed custody, that rep you had over there don't really fucking matter because there's other people

running it. Like you know what I'm saying? Like you ain't running a shit over here for you got motherfuckers been on closed custody 10, 15 years. They don't want to go to minimum custody. They like it down there. They're doing what they want to do. So I hit medium custody. tension so fucking thick in the air, you could cut it with a knife. I see all the white boys looking at me. I'm like, fuck fool.

I'm about to have to go through everything I went through on minimum cussie. I'm about to have to go through it again. You're not a blood yet. No, no, this is when I become one. Okay. So the whites, they don't come and fuck me

because they already know what's up with me. But one of them, he was from a little town called Cameron. And I guess he, like, used to be a blood in the streets, but he was like the fucking like shot caller from one of the families in there one of the white nights he was stupid cool he walked it to me he's like you tim right i was like yeah he's like hey bro ain't nobody gonna fuck with you over here fool he's like maybe the blacks

or the mexicans but none of these white boys ain't he's like i'm the one that's call he's like you cool with me and he had like blood honor blood honor on his back arms he's like i used to be damoo in the world you know i know you fuck with them shit like that he's like so we so you're you're cool over here you ain't got no problems with us you're good. So this is my first day out to sell in the day room, something like Bette. Marcelli's a blood dude, stupid, cool motherfucker, but he's also kind of weird too. So we're playing chess. We're getting cool. I'm kicking it with the blus, but not too much because I'm not

affiliated, but I'll go around them because I know them. Like I know some of them because now a lot of them done caught cases. They're on medium custody. So you remember that black dude P-stone I told you about? He winds up getting rolled to medium custody. He falls on my wing. So when he comes on my wing, he's a gambling junkie. This motherfucker gambles on anything. Like, throw a cap. I bet you two soups you can't throw it past that line. Like, that's just what?

That's how he passed this time. He's a fucking gambling head, right? So he's gambling with this Crip Cat beat. They're playing this domino game called Knock. It's a, I can't even remember exactly how you played. I didn't play it too much. But it's not big six dominoes. It's some kind of, it's like Tonk.

Have you ever heard of Tonk with cards? It's something like that. And, um, he beats him and the black dude gets fucked up about it goes up in his cell so like back in the game they used to have like full metal locks in texas but they would put them on belts and hit people with them right so now only like the the loop that goes to the hole the top part is only metal the bottom the locking mechanism is plastic for some reason that dumb motherfucker put that in a sock and came down and whacked stone in the head with it and stone jumped up now back then like

kind of now maybe depends on where you are, but if you're not affiliated, you can't speak on affiliated business because you're not allowed to do that. So he waxes forward to head with the lock. They get up, they start catching their scratch, and then actually, you know, it's a lineup. Now the crips are calling out bloods.

They're going back before. I want to look at you. I want to look at you. They're basically like airing out all their problems. So this one other crypt tells Stone, I want to look at you. And he starts getting with Stone. and Stone's an older Crip.

Like he's almost 50. So I kind of like looked at him like a dad type person. And, uh, he gets the best of them. So I get fucked up about it. And I'm all like, man, look out. Homie, I want to look at you. What does that mean? So you're calling out,

Crips and cricks are calling out bloods to see if they have, what do you mean? Just a fight. Oh, that's what that means. Let me look at you. So they're getting in the blind spot. They're going in the shower because the shower's got these doors on them. They're going in the shower. They're getting the law.

to pop the cell, hey, pop, pop, pop, 43 cell. And they're going in the cell. So it's just a bunch of squabbing just going on one-on-one. So after dude gets with Stone, I get fucked up about it. Because, like, if I'm a friend of yours, like, I'm riding with you. Like, it just is what it is. Like, I told you, I got that

tribal mentality. Like, if I fuck with you like that, like, I fuck with you like that. We're going to get it. So I just couldn't even hold it back. So I'm all, like, in the adrenaline's in the air. So I'm like, and now I'm kind of like, I'm trying to side up with these people too. So I'm like, I'm like, here's my chance. I'm waiting for my chance. So I'm all like, because they would always joke with me. What's up, homie? And lock up with me and shit

like that. But I wasn't in. So fucking, I tell homie, I'm like, let me look at you fool. He's like, what? So Stone was like, nah, but I was cool with everybody. So like, me and the dude didn't wind up fighting. But the Crips kind of gave me like a G pass because they were like, what the fuck? Like, you crazy ass white boy? Like, they just looked at like this white boy's got some goddamn nuts. And, you know, they just like let it slide. And then homie was like, Brian, about to fight you, Tim. Like, the fuck, I'm like, bro, what you're trying to fight stone for? Because he was short and it was just like some bullshit. So later on, you know, a couple weeks go by, we're politicking on the rec yard. So they're like, well, the main people from Central

Texas were five nine bounty hunters. So they were basically saying like, what set was he going to be a part of type shit? So they're like, well, you're from here. So my homeboy from Waco, he was politicking for me hard. This fool named Nairobi, this fool with it's just like one punch knockout power. Like he was a beast on that shit. He's like, that's, that's the homie. Let me, let me put him down. So that's how I wind up getting put down. That's, that's exactly how it happened. And then, and go ahead. Does you get jumped in? No. So how does that work in in prison when you get initiated? So sometimes you get jumped in, I guess. It's really kind of depends. I didn't get jumped in, but what wound up happening was, so this is what happened.

When we are all politicking on the rec yard, there was bloods that were cool with it, and there was bloods that weren't. So what Nairobi said was, the ones that ain't cool with it, we're going to fall down to y'all's pod, and what y'all are going to look at them. So what I started doing was we're going from medium custody. We're going all over seven building for me to fight other bloods. Wow. So I'm basically fighting all the time going over here.

Like, say we go to Chow, we link up in the Chow Hall. What's up, homie? We're locking up. You won't lock up with me. Then I'd be like, damn, what's up, fool? You'd be like, man, I ain't fucking with you fool. And I'd be like, well, shit, well, let me look at that shit, dog. And then next thing you know, I start getting more bloods rolling with me

because they're fucking with me. So next thing you know, I'm going to the pod. Homies like, shit, you want to look at the homie? Shit, well, I'm going to look at you too. So I started building a team of motherfuckers who were fucking with me because I was, I was, I was reping it. I was about that act. And they fuck, people just, like, people just like the fuck with me type shit.

You know what I'm saying? Like, I guess it's a gift. I naturally have where people fuck with me. So that's how I got in. Like that's how it happened. So that was my initiation. That's crazy. So your initiation was just ongoing fights.

Ongoing fights for probably like three, four months. Like three, four months, probably a couple times a week. I'm falling out of place fucking fighting. Now, are your like fighting skills getting up? Yeah. So I'm so. So check this out. So I'm on the Ho squad, right?

So the Ho Squad dog, uh, I know, because I listen to the podcast, which you went home, boy, he didn't really go into detail about it. So the Ho Squad is fucking crazy, dog. So you get this hoe, right?

You know what the hoe is, the tool of the hoe? It's like a stick with like this like flat end on it. Well, there they call it, yeah, they call it an Aggie. And it's stupid fucking long. So you guys walk out to this field that a tractor can do the job. You get into this long ass, they call it to swing. And you guys do this thing, they call it head high. So you're standing heel to toe, nut to butt.

So like my toes will be on your heels. and we're standing there going like this. Boom, they'll say head high. You got to hit this motherfucker like this. Wooosh. And they all start singing at the same time. You hear them hit the ground. And they do this thing called a four step.

So you've got the lead motherfucker singing like a cadence. Oh, no, no, no, back the four step. One, two. So you're doing this for miles. And then they'll all say, hit on it. And you just stop and you just be like this. Woof. So my first day out there, bro, all the creases.

and my fingers were ripped off because they don't give you no gloves or nothing. So they had like this big ass. It looked like a propane tank, like the big propane tanks they see above ground, but it had water in it. So when they gave us a break to go to the water, where the water was hitting the ground, I grabbed like mud and started putting it on my hands to try to toughen my hands because like say you're in the swing and you're hitting and you're not really getting your

grass because when you get further, you can see who's not getting their grass. so say you're getting fucked up about it and you could be like hey look out boss I got me one and they'll let you two get out of the swing and start thumping because I'm not getting my grass wow so that's how it was out there you're working and fighting

for eight hours a day that's insane that'd be me because I'm such I don't work I don't work I don't do that so I would have been in constant fights bro I'm hitting it and it's like it's going up my arms and shit and I wound up laying it down

because homie's like, bro, you got to start getting your grass. And I was like, dog, I can't hit the ground any harder. And they're not sharp. Like they say they're sharp and they ain't fucking sharp. So I threw my Aggie down and I got down on my knees and I thought they were going to take me back in to the

cell and lock me up because that's usually what they do. But you know those fucking like John Deere like they're like four wheelers but they're used they like hauled shit. They got a metal box with holes in it. It's in the middle of the fucking summertime, bro. They handcuffed me and they put me in that fucking box all day until last child. I'm sitting in this motherfucker. No food, no water,

sweating, sun beating down on my bitch ass. So they gave me like a three-day medical pass because my hands were fucked up. So after then, I kind of had like an ego problem. So that, this is where I'm going to tell you about the fight game. So my homeboy who was from Houston, he had 385 years, this fool named gangster. He comes up off a fucking close cussie. He hits medium cussie with me. He didn't hurt about me on closed cussie. So as soon as he comes on the pod,

he just immediately starts fucking with me. And this fool's knuckles like, motherfuckers that be having them knuckles that are like that long, they just like hit hard in a motherfucker. So this fool just like had like these crazy feints, these dummy punches. Like he was smooth with it. Like I'm talking about this motherfucker was so live.

Like say, he squared up with you, he would throw a dummy and then dip all the way down and hit you at your knee. Boom, boom, boom, and work all the way up to your face. Like this is how crazy this fool squab game was. So me and him used to slap box a lot. We had punched the body and slap to the face. So they were like, hey, bro, if you lay it down in the fields again, you're going to get deed up. So I'm like, all right.

What's that mean? That means I was going to get a discipline. So I would have got like a 59. They would have whoop my ass for 59 seconds in the cell. Like, oh, so that's a gang. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can't, you have to work hard when you're in the fields. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you got to.

Imagine blacks wanting to work hard in fields in this day and age. Yeah. From everything they've been through. Well, anyways. So like, bro, they're the main ones. You go into kitchen or something like that. You're like, man, motherfucker, you ain't, you ain't washing your dishes. Right.

You're making me work hard. I'm about to fuck. Like, they're the one of the fight behind that shit, dog. Like, they take pride in that shit. So, like, they're the main one. pushing those agendas in jail, bro. So I get like an ego boost. Like I look like a failure.

So I go out to the fields and now I'm getting it in with them. And then every day when we come back and we're waiting to take a shower, me and this fool go and catch the corner and we're slapboxing. And I ain't talking about no bullshit slapping. I'm talking about like straight up like 100% across the face, smack palm. And this is when my fight game starts getting good. because he's like Tim, you know how to punch but you don't know how to fight.

So this fool's fucking, we're just getting it in. So this is what it is every day for months. Me and this fool fucking catching paper. So now that you're getting initiated into the bloods, are you, are you whipping motherfuckers' ass?

Yeah. Are you putting them on their pockets? The last fight I lost was when I was 19. From 17 to 19, I got my ass whooped every fucking fight. from 17 to 19 basically well I did whip the crypt dude when I was 18 but I didn't really even count that as a win

because I didn't drop them or nothing like that but after then I started getting kind of I guess like man strength because like the crazy thing about TDC is like especially back then through the 80s and the 90s motherfuckers fought so much that like you know

it's not like you hear about other prisons where they don't fight people like there's a lot there's always a lot of fighting always shit going on dog so like uh when a dude fights a lot he becomes hardened his skin becomes hardened right so like you're trying to fight some dude who's been fucking thumping for 10 15 years like everybody's got a puncher's chance but nine times out of 10 you're probably not going to win like this fool's getting after it you know what I'm saying like you can't break his skin yeah it's hard to make a bleed yeah he's super he's super fucking tough bro so

So, yeah, I started winning fights, but I also didn't get into a lot of wrecks. Like, after that whole little initiation process, I didn't get into a lot of wrecks after then. Like, motherfuckers fucked with me. People didn't fuck with me. They would still lock up with me, though. Like, if you come to the circle and lock up, I know they don't fuck with me, but they still going to lock up with me and show me my respect type shit.

And it'll be like that. So now that you're a blood. Yeah, yeah, fully in. But, like, what kind of blood? Like, I was a 5-9 bounty hunter. Okay, got it. Yeah, which is more like a Texas thing. It's not a Cali thing.

Right. Because, like, Cali, it's like five line. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, the bounty hunters like Niggas and Garden watch shit like that. Like this is more like of a Texas thing. That's the difference between like gangs and organizations. Because like, say like the BDs or GD shit like that, like they're organizations. So like if they fall into the unit and they're like, oh, I'm GD, like they can reach

back out to the world and find out because it's an organization where like a gang can just pop up anywhere. You can be in Austin and be from Apple Street. Oh, we'd Apple Street crips or that where to Apple Street, you know what I'm saying? Like shit like that. So that's how that type of shit pops off. So it's a Texas set as in the five nine bounty hunters. That's what it is. And what did you find was the advantage of being in a gang? I mean, obviously we know the benefits of rolling with the pack, right? But did you get, did your hustle expand now that you're, insulated and you've got these fools around you? So, uh,

well, how'd you spend the rest of your time? So, so I spent the rest of my time, you know, basically like gambling, chilling, gambling, you know,

talking shit, swallow and spit, working out. I wound up going to close custody for like almost two years, which is like the 23 hour a day lockdown. Close custody. They call it the dungeon.

Like there's no TV down there. I think they got phones down there now because I want to say the last time I was in when I got transferred, I want to say I saw in close cussie I saw somebody on the phone but close cussie is like it's a whole other fucking animal dog like it's so on the rec yard we're getting after it like you know it's just it's just line up like motherfuckers get bored

and just want to like say uh my homeboy he had a disrespectful uh crypt tattoo on his back so he had a tattoo of a dude with this dude had his shirt off and this cat was from Colleen named two deep and the dude was holding two pit bull and the pit bulls were chomping on crabs. And that's like a disrespectful word to call crips. So the crabs were breaking up. It was a very graphic and it was a dope-ass tattoo.

Honestly, like it was really good. And so every time he popped his top on the rec yard to play basketball, a Crip was calling him out. So next thing you know, a Crip calls him out, now one of us is going to call them out. So next thing you know, we're all fucking getting lineups on the rec yard. It just become like a regular thing. It was like no real tension.

It was like, we're bored. We don't got nothing else to do. they've jacked us for wreck all fucking week. We are now out here for wreck. Fuck it. Let's get some true exercise in. So we'd just be down on the rec yard fucking catching paper. Like the dungeon is stupid fucking crazy, bro.

Like, uh, there was a black dude down there from the H. Uh, nobody could be a sely. Like, what I could say is, like, the thing about eight building is the laws respect what goes on on eight building. Like if a motherfucker says, hey, I need to get out and go look at this motherfucker. they're going to let it happen. Like the laws are like free world down there. They're cool as fuck. But so they were,

they wouldn't really put people in a cell. So I'm in 72 cell. I can look straight down in his cell on two row right there before the shower meets. And this white boy mows up in his cell. And dude, everybody turns their radios off. So the law, you could tell the law is looking at the law asking.

He's like, you sure you want to go in here? You don't want to refuse housing? He's like, man, nah, shit. I'm going in. He's a stocky short motherfucker. He goes in there, so you see the black dude, he gets up. He's like blue-black, little-ass teeth. He's got that one little brass gold.

You see him looking. He's got big old pop belly like a Buddha motherfucker, right? They kind of look like that. So the white boy goes in and I guess, you know, he wanted that be hard or whatever. So he pops top. And I can look straight in his cell because like if the cell rolls this way, there's the gap in the door so you can look down.

So I'm looking in his cell like this. And the white boy's got a swazzo. on this side or pride that side whatever and lightning bolts on the other side so everybody turns their radios off because they already know what's about to happen so that fool tells him he's all like hey bro you're going to have to move up out of your dog and uh he's like man i ain't leaving i ain't no ho he's like it ain't got nothing to do what you be in no ho he's like ain't nobody living up in a cell with me and um i ain't going nowhere i ain't going nowhere he's like all right bro put the towel up on the door in so the white dude takes his shirt and plugs up the holes on the door

They go to thumping. Man, I don't even think that shit lasted 10 seconds. Man, that fool probably hit him once or twice. Next thing you know, the towel's still up. But this fool takes him, so say this is the desk. He lays him across the desk, takes his sheet, ties his hand, comes under the table, and ties it to the feet, and starts fucking raping this fool.

Pulls the shirt off the thing so anybody can look down could see it. Then the SSI comes through with the broom So on close custody They got these things called bean slots Where they unlock it with this bar And they put your tray through a slot Because you don't get to go to Chow He tells the SSI, hey, pop my slot, bro.

So the SSI pops the slot He's like, give me your broom Fucking takes this fool's broom And starts shoving it in his ass I've seen this shit Like he fucked this dude up so bad Like the dude stopped making noise And he left them tied there

Until the laws came through for account and saw him over there on his cell. And they just fucking put... I'm talking about there's fucking blood. I'm surprised he didn't kill him. Dog, I don't know what happened to that dude. I don't know if he killed him or not. But, bro, like, I seen motherfuckers jump off three row.

Like this one white dude, he was in there getting raped by this Mexican cat was in there clapping him. And just continuously clapping him. And as soon as they popped the door up, because the only time they wouldn't put us in cuffs is when they would take us to wreck. He popped the motherfucking door. They came out on three row first. and they popped the door, and I just remember the fucking punk come running up out the cell. I can't take it anymore. Fucking launched off three-row dog.

Fucking came down, smack the fucking concrete. That's fucking three stories home boy. Hits the concrete. And, you know, motherfuckers think when you, dude, this fool hit the concrete and bounced. He like bounced, rolled, got up, and ran to the fucking door. And there's like a call button on there. The law is watching the whole thing. He starts hitting the button and then he passes out.

Never saw that dude again, but I watched this motherfucker straight launch off a fucking three row, bro. So you might be able to survive a three-story fall, is what you're saying. I don't know if he survived, but I know that motherfucker landed on his side when he, when he like jumped over the rail, I don't know if his foot caught it. Because when he launched over,

you would have think he would have came on his feet. But when he launched over, his body turned like this. Right. Boom! And he fucking rolled. Yeah. And landed on his feet.

Wow. Wow. Like landed and got up and ran to the door and he started hitting the button and passed out. And I was like, damn, bro. I seen, I seen, there was a riot between the blacks and the whites that I was involved in. And they chunked a white dude off a three row. That fool fucking hit his head on the concrete. And you just heard it go, like just gave in, just like he had let it on nothing but head and shoulders.

And I heard that he survived. I don't know if it's true or not, but I heard he survived. Now that you're part of the bloods, a black gang, what happens in a race riot? You said you were part of it. Yeah, you got to be the first one in the shoot. Yeah. If you're another color, if you're a whiter Mexican or an Asian or something like that,

are you going to be down? It's the same thing. Like you'll see white boys in the tango blast. It's few, but they're there. You just got to be extra. You got to be extra. D's come up. I'm going in.

Hey, we got to go smash this fool. I'm riding. You got to be. first to call because you don't want nobody to question you. Right. Because the thing about being in a gang in prison, and I don't know if you saw this when you were in prison, but in Texas prisons. Probably not.

Being in a gang in Texas prisons is like, damn, they're the worst thing you can do to yourself. Because they, when they don't have nobody else to feed on, they feed on each other. So they're always politicking on each other all fucking day long. Always. Did you notice that as you started to go along with them? Yeah, I noticed that. So, like, I would surround myself with the guys that weren't about that.

They were just, like, more, like, on some player shit. Like, we're just trying to do time, you know, kick back, make some money, make some moves, politics, chill. Like, we're not trying to be on no drama type shit and stuff like that. And then, like, before I left, dude, I even tell you about a story, too. Like, I had made it back to medium custody. So, like, they had basically seged up. So any at this time, any like T.S. Mexican Mafia, A.B.T. A.C. Asex shit. If they were, if they were walking, nobody knew. Like, nobody knew what they were. They were undercover type shit. They were flying under the radar.

So there was this Mexican cat there. He was my home. So you remember how I told you about my homeboy from Waco that we used to gamble together? He's the one that spoke up for me. Now, so they were like gambling partners. So we come out to go to Chow and it's this long-ass slab And they put a hit out on him Because it came out that he was T.S. Or whatever the case. But people already knew. So I don't really know why it happened. But bro, these three Mexicans, they come running around us.

We're all walking together. So like you remember how I told you you got to walk in between the yellow line? Man, like on medium custody and shit like that. Like don't nobody respect that shit. We do what the fuck we want. we walk, well, like, the laws don't say, because we don't care. We're like, man, fuck you, send me to eight building. What next door?

Like, it's wild like that over there. And you get addicted to that because the laws don't, they don't write cases. So it's just like, there ain't no females over there. But, you know, it is what it is. Like, you just, you know, it's different like that. And, bro, they run around us and homeboys right in front of me, bro. And I ain't going to say his name for respect for his family and stuff like that. So they run up and they start sticking them three deep.

Pop, pop, pop. And like, man, the shanks, bro, like, a lot of people, they be talking, like, so, like, they didn't have, like, shanks that cut. Because, like, if you have a shank that cuts, like, they sell leather gloves on commissary down there. So if you say you got a shank that's a cutter, motherfuckers will make it to where it locks in the glove. Because say you stab somebody, right, and it's got a cut, it got a cutter on it. If it hits a bone, your hand will slide forward. It'll cut you open. So if you got it stuck in that leather glove and you hit something.

somebody, that leather glove blocks it. But a lot of fools, they'd be stabbing motherfuckers with, like, welding rods. They'll get welding rods down there and sharpen them up and shit like that. So I think they had welding rods. So the welding rods, like, they're not really going, like, a lot of people don't die from welding rods. You know what I'm saying? They're skinny.

They're not all that. So when you hear the skin pop, it makes it like a, like a, like a, because it's hitting bone, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's not a bone crusher. It ain't breaking through. You understand what I'm saying? So they're hitting him, boom, boom, boom. So he starts thumping with him.

So we just stop and we fall back. The laws, they shut the door so nobody can get in the building. And then there's a crash gate down there so there's nowhere that he can go. So at this time, when you came into the penitentiary, so Terrell unit fucked this up for everybody because of this incident right here. When you would go to boot call, they would give you these black, these cheap ass fucking black boots, right? So they would say steel toe or no steel toe.

And you could say steel toe. and they give you steel toes, so you'll walk around with steel toes. Well, now you can only get steel toes if you have a certain job and you put them on when you get to work and take them off when you get to work because of this incident right here.

So he's thumping with him, boom, boom, boom. They're sticking them, bop, pop, bop, bop. And then he takes off running down to the crash gate. The law shuts the gate and locks in there. So they get there, they start sticking them. He's thumping with him. So he's like face where you are. And somehow he circles like this,

and he keeps circling and he keeps circling. And he circles like basically like a 360 plus because his back goes back to this way and there's a Hispanic dude behind him. And I remember he just hits him in the neck. But when he hits him, that motherfucker dropped like a sack of potatoes. And they start stabbing him and they start kicking him. And then the other dude that they were stabbing up,

like as soon as they started stabbing him, he fell on the ground. Now that dude right there, they started kicking him too. I heard they kicked his eyes out of his head. with the steel toes. And after that incident, they took the steel toes away from everybody. So you couldn't just go and get steel toes off that incident right there. And you think the law shut the gate on him on purpose?

Fuck, yeah, because he don't want to get attacked. Wow. He don't want to get attacked. What was that over? Those were essays? Yeah, there were essays. I don't know what it was about. I heard it was because he was family.

I'm not for sure what it was about because that fool was cool as fuck. Like usually family cats, they'll be like serious. like Cholo serious, like Cali Cholo, like they're real prideful. Like the blast cats are cool. Like, they act real hood player motherfuckers cool. Like, except for like the ones from Dallas were kind of like Cholo type shit, but they were cool too.

But like the ones from Houston, they kind of act like, I hate to use this terminology because I don't believe that it's real. Like you just act like where you're from. But like, they kind of act black a little bit. You know what I'm saying? But they're just raised like that. It's just the culture, right? so like they'll be real fly ball fades south side fades type shit like they're they vibe with everybody

type shit they're they're they're more cool but uh he was stupid cool like that bro like he did he make it no he died when they they uh they killed him bro yeah and you were in there i watched it happen on the slab i squat it down to one knee because that's what you do like if you want to get out of it like you don't want them to think you're doing anything the laws like i just back up and squat to one knee so i could watch everything he was like mad he was like mad at Massacre. Yeah, they fucking three deep, three deep lit them up, bro. But, um.

I guess it's not of your business, though. No. That sucks at the end of the day. Yeah. But, uh, like what kind of like got me like some good cloud in there was when I was on closed custody, um, the rank came down there to do UCC, which is like Unis classification, the warden and all them came down there. Well, you remember how I told you, like the Crips and the disciples have been jumping the laws.

Yeah. Well, now the couple years have done passed. So that shit was all squashed. But some Crips and Disciples caught the warden, assistant warden, and the captain coming in to do UCC, and they decided to blast off on them. So they were in their fucking thumping dog. And the one warden, he ain't got no teeth, big-ass white boy, redneck, he had a redneck like a motherfucker.

They, man, they're thumping them. So they wind up whooping the Crip dude and Disciple dude. They stomped that one dude. I don't remember if he was a Cripp or disciple. Well, they stomped him so fucking bad that his head swelled up, damn near like the size of a basketball. And then they hog tied him, and they brought him out, holding him like this hogtied,

and they would come down the slab when we were on the rec yard. And they're like, you see this shit? He came out talking shit. Y'all want to fuck with me? Y'all want to fuck with me? Y'all ain't, I'm a real motherfucker. I get it. And I was like, God damn.

But so those warden that, the one head warden, he left after that incident, and a new warden popped. up and they came down to do UCC and he's seen me hanging out with all the blacks and we're working out and shit and then one of the dudes that was with us he was a vice lord so like vice lords will ride with us in the penitentiary right because they fall up under the five but even though like bloods don't fall up under the five it's still people so it's everybody it's still like the people's nation so we still all kind of fuck with each other type shit so like um even like the latin kings The Latin Kings, like, they're not really allowed to walk in there.

But on that unit, because all the families got locked up, there was a couple of Latin Kings in there that we had went and talked to the blast and we're like, hey, we want to let them walk. They fall up under the five. And they were like, as long as they don't try to do nothing out of line, they're cool. You know what I'm saying? So, like, we politic for them to walk with us type shit. So the warden comes down there and he sees me working out with that dude.

They called him Waco. his name was like, like Chris Wallace, like Biggie Small. So he's a big motherfucker, right? He's actually in the feds right now. So the warden comes down there and he's looking big old cracker. And he calls, he Chris over there. He's like, Wallace, come here. So he walks over there.

He's a Chris a loud mouth-mouth ass motherfucker. Yeah, woo-woo, talk his shit. And he's like, what's up with that snow bunny over there? He looked, he's like, who you talk about, bro? He's like, that snow bunny right there. and I'm on the pull-up bar. I just got out the pull-up bar, so I look at him. He's like, you talk about Tim?

He's like, yeah, he's all like, shit, go tell one of them motherfucking white boys that come down here and look at Tim and see what's up. I bet you don't let them come down here. So they walk down there and they call one of the woods over to the fence and I see him pointing at me

and the fool's all like, nah, like just like, I don't know what he said, but he's just like, nah. So then when they go in, they do classification. leave us on the rec yard so he comes back it for some reason he liked me because of that shit so when he comes back he's like hey look out man come here so i walk over there i'm like what's up and he's like what's your name and i was like tim he's like what's your last name and i was like riceheimer he's like you're german i was like yeah and he's like uh what are you doing running with

the blacks and i was like i don't know i'm from ohio bro and i'm like that's kind of how i am you know what I'm saying? Like, it ain't no disrespect. You know, it's just how I am. So, um, he was all like, I've heard your name ringing, you know, your name's ringing down there in one building. That's the major building's called one building, because all the buildings are numbered. So he's like, what the fuck are you doing on closed custody? And I was like, I don't know, just doing my time, bro. So he's like, why don't you stay out of trouble and get to the other side, man, I'll give you a good job. And I'm like, every time I come up, you, I'll keep shooting me down. y'all don't let me up so he's like when you come up again i said in 90 days so he's like if

you don't catch a case in 90 days i'm i'll move you to medium custody and you have to so like on closed custody when you first go to close custody you got to do a year with no case to even get seen by classification and then they move you to medium custody and you got to do six months there to get back to minimum now the thing about closed custody is like you're in seg but you're with the cellie but being locked up like that all the time, it starts to fuck with you. So like, man, you just get bored. I'd just be doing crazy shit, dog, like laws

will come walking by the cell. I see him walking, and I, like, kind of put my back to the cell. And as soon as, like, he would, especially if he was new, like, they were training him. He'd started getting by the cell. And, you ever seen any of those lethal weapon movies? Of course.

So did you, I think it was, like, lethal weapon, too, where they, like, his son's friend gets killed by the gun and they go hunting down the gun dealers and shit like that. And one gun dealer's a dirty cop. Right. And Danny Clever pulls one of the gun dealers on the porch. And he puts the, I think it was like a Mac 10 or something. He puts it up to him.

He's like, have you ever heard of genocide, motherfucker? So I would kick the door and I would knock rust off the door because I'd kick it so hard. Boom, boom, boom. And the law would jump. The other laws, they knew I was about to do it. And I'd fucking get to the door. And I'd be like, you ever heard of genocide, motherfucker? They'd just like, dumb shit.

I'd flood the cell for no reason. like just on some spaz out shit so anyways long story short for 90 days I chilled out he moved me to medium custody so when 90 days came up I seen the warden them at the thing and I knew I was about to

I knew I asked him I say you're gonna bring me up and he's like yeah I got you so they went down there and they ran classification but they never called me out so when he called when he was walking down the slab my cell was right there my window was right there and I was like look out warden I thought you were going to bring me up

he's like I got you pack your shit they moved me to minimum custody they gave me a job in the laundry and I was working down on closed custody so now when I went back to the A side I went to 4 building the homies that were calling shots on B

side they're like you're going to have that you're going to be like the head motherfucker on 4 building so now I'm a white boy with all the pool on 4 building now so we're all on the rec yard politic and I'm politicking getting people together.

And like, and I've been gone for three years, almost four years on the other side. So like when you go to the other side, it's like a whole other world. Yeah. So like, shit is changed now. This is wild. It's all one prison. It's crazy. So they're like, bro, we don't, we don't politic like that over here no more.

And I'm like, no, we need to start getting money together. Who's moving what? Who's moving what? We got to send it to the homies down there because they can't make no moves. They're stuck over there. So it's like you're paying like Vig, like you're shooting bread down there. You're paying respect. Yeah.

Because like I told you, you might be somebody on. on a side holding weight, but you catch a case and go to B side, go to medium or close cussie, but you were holding weight, you were making moves, but you weren't sitting no money over there. You're going to have to answer for that shit when you get down there. Are you going to be like, motherfucker, you was over there moving all them packs, you ain't shooting no money down here, and you're about to get smashed up. You might get smashed out. They might have light flight you off the farm because you just left them down there hanging and that ain't how it's supposed to be. The coffers got to be filled. You know what I'm saying?

That's how it goes. So I got a job in the laundry. I'm going to down to eight build and I'm moving contraband and this is like getting towards the end of my sentence so because I was trying to um like get everybody together and like start like getting shit organized I didn't know it at the time but I found out so there was a black dude in there from New York he fell out of Houston he had an aggravated robbery case they called him doomsday he's this big ass Jamaican motherfucker but he didn't talk Jamaican and he worked out and there's always somebody on the yard that knows karate or some shit. I don't know if you saw all that bitch-ass shit.

So like, we were sellies. So as soon as I moved in the cell, but he was a 5-percenter. I don't know if you ever heard of 5-percenters and shit. So we go in the cell and he had a squeaky voice, kind of like Mike Tyson. He's like, so as soon as you move in the cell with somebody, you know, you're like, hey, when do you work? When do you want to sell? Do you go to school?

You know, you're trying to get that time with them. So as soon as I fall on A side, I'm wild. I'm coming from B-side. I'm hitting everybody up, what's up, homie, woo, whew, hitting the windows, acting wild. You're gang banging. Yeah, and they're like, bro, chill to fuck out. And everybody's looking at me.

I'm like, what's up, fool? I'm popping top. I got the five, nine on my chest and shit. And fucking, so we go in there. So my homie's all like, hey, you're silly. He's this motherfuckerucker. Don't nobody like him. But he runs with the Jamaicans.

So like, there was only a couple of Jamaicans over there, but like the head Jamaican I was cool with. He knew me from day one, his licekin and one named Rubei. So like, I don't know if you ever heard about like Jamaicans when they went to Dallas and they were like taking shit over fucking killing motherfuckers running dope and shit like that. He was part of this shit. He had been locked up since like 88. So I go and I holler him.

I'm like, hey, what's up with my celly fool? And he was like, and he talked Jamaican though. And he is like, he's a little weird. He's like just give him some time. I'll holler at him. I'll make sure he don't trip with you type shit. I'm like, all right. So we're in the cell for like a week.

So they had made the Jack books illegal throughout the system, like the masturbation books, but they didn't come and take them all up. So there was these books that were called Butman. So it was like the company went out, the company went out of business, but it was all like Brazilian chicks, any chicken, they had these big,

and it was like the best ones, dude, hardcore porn. So they went for like $100 cash money. Right, for sure. So what I don't know is that this one blood, blood fool, I can't remember his name, he didn't paid my celly to fight me. So, for like, he, I guess

he was, like, looking for a way to fight me. Because when we, when he moved up, when he came in a cell, came home from work, we started talking, and he was like, I'm letting you know right now, I'm a 5%er. I don't fuck with white boys. I don't fuck with essays. I only fuck with my kind, boo. So I, like, looked at him. I was like,

are you trying to run me about to sell or something? Because that shit ain't even about to happen home boy. He's like, nah, he's like, he was real respectful with it though he was like nah he's like i know who you are he's like i'm just telling you if we don't talk besides hey selly can i get the sale or this or that it isn't no disrespect i just don't fuck with white people i don't fuck with white people i don't fuck with mexicans i only fuck with blacks so i'm like all right bet cool so there was a dude at the table selling these butt man's so we're over there looking at the butt man's i'm like how much you want for him and he's like

i'm letting him go for 50 so all of a sudden this fool like all of a sudden he goes out of nowhere and he's like, man, white boys ain't got no big dicks, because there's this white dude in there, whatever. And I'm like, looking at him, I'm like, the fucks this fool talking about. So I'm like, bro, he like keeps saying it. And then he's like looking at me. So I'm like, I'm like, bro, what are you talking about? Man, that shit's fake.

And I'm like, bro, we ain't even on no gay shit over here, bro. Like, what do you even talk about? And he was like, man, fuck, you all smack the fuck out your bitch asshole. And this fool was a yoked monster. And this dude works out so like he'll take toilet paper balls and he'll put 25 of them on the ground. He'll pick the 25th one and he'll have it in his hand. He'll go up to the 24th one. He'll squat down, put that 25th one down.

That's one squat. Squads back down. He picks that one back up. That's two. He squats back down. He picks the 24th one up. And he does that that whole row. It's like 2,500 squats.

Wow. He works out like that all day long. That's all he does is just crazy-ass workouts. So when I worked out too, so at first he like worked out with me, but he was really trying to size me up. So he's like, let's spar. Let's shadow box. I heard you got hands.

I was like, bro, I'm not shadow boxing with you. Like, fuck. Like, what are you talking about, fool? So he started this. So now it escalates into this. So he's like, I'll smack your bitch ass. And I look at him. I was like, what?

So he walks up the cell, gets some chips in the soda and comes back down and sits down at the table like nothing's happening. So they called last chow. I go to chow and I see my homies in chow hall. So I said, say, fool. I was like, this one's about to go down. I'm about to go to jail. And they're like, what's up?

And I was like, this fool doomsday and call me a bitch. So I'm letting you know send this money here, send this money there, send this money there. As soon as we go back down there, I'm about to catch scratch with this hole. They're like, nah, leave that alone, bro, chill the fuck out. I'm like, nah, fool got me fucked up. So we go down there and I always keep, so I'd wear clothes a little too big for me. and I'd keep my gym shorts under me. And I would always keep my leather gloves

inside my gym shorts so I could put them on to catch paper and shit like that. So people really use these gloves to stab to fight? Because with the leather gloves, the good thing about the leather gloves is when you hit somebody with them, you can cut them. Like it's like an extra layer.

Right. Like it's it. And you protect yourself. And you protect yourself. And I had a Mexican dude, one of them Pisa Mexicans. He sewed like a little bar in there. Oh, shit.

It was like brass knuckles. Well, it was like, it wasn't a metal bar. It was a cloth. But he had it so stiff in there. So like you could take toilet paper and ball it up. Like you can even do this after the show. Grab you a paper towel, like a decent sized paper towel. Get it wet and ball it in your hands and see how much more solid that fist becomes because something's back.

That's old school. Yeah. We put lighters in our hand. We do all kinds of shit. Yeah. So I had them in my shorts. So I go up in my, I go up to my cell. It's in the middle of summertime.

I take off all my clothes. The wall that's working our wing, the mail law, he usually works B-side. So I hollered at him. I said, hey, four, I'm about to catch scratch with my celly. But I'm not about to fight him in the cell because he's fucking big as fuck. So I'm going to get him in this blind spot. So I'm like, I'm going to thump with them in the blind spot.

You cool? And he's like, just don't let the bitch in the picket see the shit. And I'm like, I bet. He's like, I'll go chill at the front desk. That's fire. Did he call her a bitch? Yeah. Hell yeah.

Hell yeah. Yeah. So, bro, them fucking laws. Bro, they be training them bitches. that motherfucker. They'll get them in the break rooms. Like, dude, so like, say the females come on, the OJTs, not only are the inmates praying

on them, but the laws are praying on them. So they're like, if you ain't going to be down with us, then you're going to be for the inmates. So say, like, they're trying to get with this chick and she's not playing ball with them. And then you got them dudes, you know, they like to jack off on the guards and shit. Say she writes a jack case. They'll let the jack case go.

Like, they won't even, they'll throw it away because she's not fucking with them. So it's like, it's, it's, The gang shit goes both ways. So he burns off. So they got these big circular fans. You can get them at Home Depot. They say like heat buster on them.

The big circular fans, they got two wheels. It's in the middle of the summer. So I come downstairs. My celly's sitting down looking up at the TV. I go, I don't say shit to him. I just unplug the fan. Bo, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. And there's this Crip cat there named Cece from Oak Cliff.

And then some other dude, I don't know who the fuck they are. They're playing head-up dominoes. So the black dude's like Man what the fuck? What you doing fool? And then Cici looked at me He goes oh man get up And he's like what you mean he's like shit Tim's about to thump with somebody

So I moved the fan out of the way And that dude turns So like I'm right here in the corner He's right there He turns and he looks and he's like Oh you want to fight me motherfucker? Squeaky ass voice and shit I'm like yeah fool I'm like come on dog

He's like he goes upstairs I'm about to kill this motherfucker He's roaring and I'm all of a sudden All I'm thinking in my head is Fuck I'm about to to get the fucking shit beat out of me. This fool's about to beat the brakes off my bitch ass. So he wears big ass pants too.

So he like ties these shoe strings around his pants, like up around his angles, like some fucking kung fu shit or some shit. Like I said, this fool says he knows some type of karate or some shit. So boom, he comes down. And we start getting after it. But I'm more like trying to bob and weave this motherfucker because I ain't trying to let him hit me

because he's so fucking big. And I've worked out with him. I know he's strong because he can, do all these workouts. But what I fail to realize at this time is like, just because you're built good and just because you can work out good, that don't translate into fight strength. Like I've seen motherfuckers that weigh 90 pounds and they're fucking five foot one,

sleep big motherfuckers. Like, power is different. So we're getting after it for three rounds. He keeps trying to wrestle me. So that big cripple, he comes over. He's breaking it up.

He's like, nah, stop trying to wrestle, because he's trying to get me so he can hit me. And he's like, nah, it's my fight game. And he's like, no wrestling fool, you got it.

He's like, he won't let me. hit him and he's like, no, you got to get with him. So for three rounds, we're getting it. The third round, he faints like he's going to kick me and he fucking just hits me square in the motherfucking teeth. Boom. And I roll back with it. My lips splits open again. My teeth went back in that same scar. I told you about went in there again. And I licked my teeth and I felt they were still there. And like for some reason, like, I've always had this ability like where I just don't feel the pain. So he backed up, I guess he thought he rocked me or something, but he didn't.

And I remember, I got this crazy ass laughing out, my mouth filled with blood. And I was all like, man, you just hit me, and you ain't knock out my teeth. I was like, man, I'm about to knock your bitch ass out. I spit blood on the wall. You remember how I told you, I trained with that dude gangster, and he had all, like, these crazy dummy punches and fate punches. So I came up to him, and I started kind of getting my little jump, and I threw this fake ass dummy punch. And then I did a dry dip, and I came with the overhand right sledgehammer. boom hit that fool flush on his shit

slept his ass in front of everybody one shot one kill when I'm talking about a motherfucker that was so arrogant got humbled he didn't speak for probably three four days he didn't say shit and fucking next thing I know they moved me and then I found

out like months later that this blood fool paid him to do that to me so when he had that done they wound up smashing him and he wound up catching out off the unit but that warden he saw me after that fight. He didn't know, they didn't know I got into a fight. And he was like, hey, come here. And I'm like, what's up? He's like, you want a new job? And I was like, yeah.

And I was like, well, hold on. Where's it going to be? He's like, I'm going to make you SSI on death row. He's like, but don't fuck it up, dog. And then he moved me to the dorms. He's like, don't even eat chow. Go pack your shit. I'm going to move you to the dorms. And I was like, bet. He moved me to the dorms. And then me and my homeboy, we went all the way from closed custody to the dorms together. And we were on fucking, um, on a fucking death row, fucking doing our thing, trafficking, trading, you know, what they call it, fucking moving drugs. M motherfuckerger set up P.O. boxes because back then there was no, like, digital shit like there is now. So you set up P.O. boxes because these fools got so much money, they're going to have people go and put the money in a P.O. box to really try to protect you type shit.

And I built a lot of good connections back there and stuff like that. Who are you working for? Like who's moving drugs like that? Man, fucking, I was clicked up with the Crip dude. That was had connections back there. He had got caught. and he went to closed custody, so I maintained what he had going on. What kind of balloons? Like, is it just weed or is it? Yeah, it's just, it's like, no, I didn't fuck. I didn't, dude, I saw heroin there a couple times.

A dude OD'd on that shit on the rec yard. But it was mainly just weed, tobacco, moved Coke a couple times. I didn't really want to fuck with shit like that. I took some ex pills back there, but it was mainly just like weed and tobacco and stuff like that. That was the main shit that I would fuck with. Right. Yeah, well, Black, Black,

dudes, it's, you know, Texas prisons both mostly black. Yeah. It's usually going to be weed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I ain't nobody really trying to get amped up off no fucking, you know, like the dude that OD'd on the heroin, he was Mexican. Those were usually the guys that fucked with that shit on there. But.

What was working on death row? How many people were on death row? Dude, so like death row is, it's A through F pod, and then it's A through F section. But at that time, I don't know if it changed, like, F-pod was like Seg inmates.

So A-Pod F-section, that's where the guys that lived on A-Pod F-section, it was usually empty, but that's where the guys would get moved to if they had their date. Like if they had an execution date, that's where they would get moved to. So, like, you would have motherfuckers down there,

like, say they liked to dash the laws or spit on them, they'd have plexiglass over their tray or say, like, they had that bean shoot I was telling you about. They'd take that tray and they had throw it back out on the wall. So they built, build like a box in front of their tray. And they open up the lid and they would set the tray down in the box. So they couldn't do's would catch shit on fire all the time.

You'd see motherfuckers with like scabies or it would look like chicken pox from stress. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah. It's fucking awful. It's a whole other world, bro. It's a whole other world. Yeah, it's awful.

Did you see anybody go free from getting their DNA? Yeah, hell yeah. Exonerated. That shit happened with George Bush. I seen a bunch of motherfuckers get free, dude. I've seen like six motherfuckers get free. My homeboy E and J. Like actually get, like leave prison.

Yeah, they left prison. They were on the news and everything. One dude, I used to move shit for him all the time, just commissary and shit. But see, I was, I was cool, dog. So, like, say they would stuff the socks. Like they had the gray socks. Their socks they give us as gray. So they would stuff them full of commissary.

So the lower you went down and the, the pods, like usually like E and F pods, some a D pod were people who were on restrictions. So they wouldn't have shit. They'd take everything from them. So dudes would load up socks and they would write with the marker D24 and they'd be like, hey, bro, can you move this sock for me? And the laws are standing with you the whole time. So you have to be cool with the law for this to even happen.

So like the usual charge for socks is like 25 stamps. Well, you know, people, they probably think, oh, stamps ain't shit. Well, stamps, if you get visits or if you got a lot. law on your team like if you got visits you can smuggle those stamps out of the visit and they used to let i heard they stopped but your people could take like individual stamps and go and turn them in for money so you got a thousand stamps at 34 cents a pop you know it ain't a lot of money but you're doing that multiple times like yours you can build up a nice nest egg with that shit but me i didn't charge nobody because like i told you i'm a i'm a tribalist so like like me i'm an american so i look at

America is my tribe. I don't care what color you are. We're Americans. You're my tribe. I'm fucking with you. When I was in prison, even though we might not be in the same click, we're all in this shit together. So I'm going to fuck with you.

So those dudes on death row, I knew they were in last place. So why the fuck am I going to charge you to move something for you to another dude who's on death row? They've already took all this shit. Right. So they had shoot a sock out. Look out. Temple.

Look out. you're going to you'll move the sock for me yeah I got you how much you're going to charge me nothing I got you home boy wow and I would just fucking move socks for free and uh did you see anybody because obviously I'm sure they don't tell you when somebody's date is coming up if they are going to get executed would you would you come to somebody sell the next day and they be gone and you found out that they got executed

oh no because it don't happen that randomly like unless they changed it so like say if you were going to get executed like they knew they would get their date so they would move them and they would be on that cell so you would see them, you would see they would get their date. You know, if they wanted to talk, I'd talk to them. Hey, what's up, bro?

Like, they don't really want you talking to them too long. Right. It depended on what card you were on. But, like, those dudes, Texas 7, I was telling you about, because they had escaped from prison. Like, we had to move them once a week. Wow. Like, every week they got moved.

And, uh, bro, this one dude that was in there, like, some crazy shit. Like, if you just want to know how advanced the human mind is, You know, you can thread string extremely strong and cut through shit. So those doors, when they pop, they kind of like move like this and slide over. This motherfucker, I don't know if he used string. He had to use string. He cut through the metal. So he flooded his cell.

The law unlocked his cell. Put him in handcuffs like that. As soon as we fucking, he shut the thing. They made me stand off because I was about to have to go clean his cell out. He jumped through the cuffs. And the cuffs they use back there are the ones that are like, they don't have the chain right there. They're like locked together.

You know which ones I'm talking about? Yeah. Somehow he popped through them hose. And as soon as they went to pop the door, it was like, and that bitch just came off. Boom! And it hit the rail because all that's right there is a rail on a step like this. Hit the rail.

Boom. The whole door came off. And he stepped down. He just looked at the fucking law and he's like, yeah, I could have got you. Like the typewriters in there, they make them clear now. But they used to be like non-see-through. and motherfuckers, the reason why they make them clear is because motherfuckers will get that typewriter rod out there

and stab somebody. So there was this law that worked back there. His whole fucking family worked there, right? And you know, these prisons, they're in these small fucking towns. They employ, fucking, like, half the goddamn community and shit. So this fucking law, he was a fucking ho-ass motherfucker, which is crazy because his people were cool as fuck,

but he was a hoe. So the showers in there, I don't know, they might be like a little bit wider than me. So this fool, I don't know if somebody had hit it in the shower and they didn't say because a typewriter is rod is pretty fucking long. And they make you bend over and squat and cough. So I don't know where this rod was hanging at. But we pulled him out so he could get showered. And fucking when he pulls him out, he puts him in there.

So I'm standing right there with the law. And when he gets done shower, they give him like a three minute shower. It ain't shit. Like it's quick enough. And then in TDC, bro, like I don't know. where you was at, dude, like if you're indigent, well, they give it to you whether you're indigent or not. They give you these little bars of green soap.

They're about that long, maybe about that wide. They're about that thin, like a 16th of an inch, bro. Drives the fuck out of your skin. They give you four of them for the week, four of them motherfuckers. If you ain't making commissary, it's out of there type shit. So, like, but motherfuckers will pay the SSI, some stamps. They'll give them like 25 bars for two or three stamps and they'll crush them up. And then they'll use water, maybe a little bit of shampoo to make it smell good.

they'll make like a big bar of soap and that's what they'll use to shower off with. So when he handcuffs this motherfucker, in this little ass shower, somehow he jumps through those cuffs, got a typewriter rod on him. So he puts his back to the door like this. So when this motherfucker unlocks the door because he's not paying attention and opens it, the motherfucker rolls with the door. I'm standing over here, rolls with the door and hits him in his throat. Boom, boom, boom, boom.

Drops his ass. Wow. He gets life-flighted off the farm. this motherfucker's such a prick-ass motherfucker he was back two weeks later oh my god I would have got a new job bro

mom fucker come back two weeks later so they would just get these guards just to show them like just to take some power back yeah yeah yeah we can still get you even we can still get you shit in these most locked down conditions shit and piss and keep shit and piss in the fucking thing

they squirred the warden gave him hepatitis B bro they'll get sugar dog I don't know if you ever see that B that's the one that's the vaccine that RFK Jr. wants to get banned bro they when I went to prison the first time

hepatitis B was like an epidemic in there they showed you like a video as soon as you came in and they were like you better get this or you're going to take this home to your family so like everybody was getting the hepatitis B vaccine when I went the first time yeah so that that like booty bandit rape shit shit because you just brought it up earlier and it's so it's so vile and horrendous but was that a

stigma like if you knew a guy was raping a white kid on the same tier as you like that they just allowed that to go on yeah i know black people right because i know black gangs generally let that shit go on yeah they'll that yeah all different states and and in the feds you know the dc the dc blacks like that, yeah. Dude, that's why I say, like, the white dudes, like, they weaken themselves, bro, because, like, instead of them sticking together, they'll allow shit to go on. Like, when I was on medium custody, this short white dude came in,

short, stocky motherfucker, ballhead. He had, in bold black, 100% wood. And he was packing his stuff, putting his stuff in the cell, and we were in the day room. and there was this black dude in there. He was from Houston. He was just joked around. He was an old school dope fiend, a loud mouth motherfucker.

He's all like, so the white dude is waiting for them to pop his cell. So he's all like, what's up? You're going to rep that shit, wood. You got that wood. You're going to represent that shit. And the dude just, he didn't like be all crazy. What he's like, he's like, hell yeah, fool. Whatever.

Well, when he did that, one of the ABT cats there went to the Crips. and was like, hey, go backdoor that fool. They backdoor that fool, I think 10, 12 deep. Dog, he went to sleep, and there was a BD that was his celly. He went to sleep, and I guess he started convulsing in his sleep. So the BD, he started kicking his cell and then taking that cardboard, like that fake hand I told you they would make. He started flashing his light and going like this. They came running in there.

He was convulsing. He wound up dying, brain hemorrhaging. Oh, my God. And I remember I, when we came back out to the day room, I walked down to that table. And I was all like, y'all are some bitch-ass motherfuckers, bro. That's your people, dog. Like, what the fuck are you doing? Like, you ain't going to see no black.

They're not going to do that. Right. They ain't going to go and pay some blacks or some whites to beat up on their people. Like, it's like, bro, like, what do you think you're proven? Right. But the bottom line is the blacks are cool with rapists. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

bro, one of my homeboys, he didn't get excommunicated, but he did get, he got excommunicated by a lot of people because he was a booty bandit. And like in the 80s and 90s in Texas prisons, like having a punk in prison was like cool. That was like a cool thing.

Having like a boyfriend. Yeah, boyfriend type shit, right? So like, but like there's two different. So like I'll lace you up on some shit. So like a punk in prison is like a dude that acts like a female. But then a boy. in prison is like somebody like me and you, but is a homosexual, but you act normal.

So there you got guys who like to turn motherfuckers out, but keep them as boys. So that's how this fool was. So there was this quiet youngster from Houston. And he was just like sit over by the window area and like rap to himself all the time. I don't even know how he got on medium custody. And he came from a transfer facility. He was real quiet. So they moved my homeboy onto our pod.

and this fool was an extortionist, booty bandit. Like, that's just how he was. He's wild from stop six. And he started praying on this youngster. He wasn't even over there, I think, two weeks, bro. He got him to fall out of place and come up in the cell with them. You remember the fucking blood pressure medication I told you about the stop signs? He's like, I'm going to get him in there on him stop signs.

And when he passed out, I'm going to get him. Bro, in the middle of the night, they're up rapping because the dude would always, like, tap on the window and, like, freestyle. and shit. And they're in there drinking coffee, you know, rap in and all that shit. And as soon as the fool gets too fucked up on the pills and pass out, all of a sudden, you just hear this fool fucking clapping his cheeks, dog. Everybody can hear it.

The dude wakes up. And he's like, no, stop it. Like, I could still remember that shit like it was yesterday, dog. And that shit was like back in 2003, four, like. And so you don't, like, discipline a guy who does that kind of thing? Yeah, you're supposed to. But that shit be weird. Bro, because if motherfuckers is politicking in his favor,

then, you know, like, he was never going home. So, like, there was one of our homeboys who had a life sentence fresh young cat. He was fucking with punks. But they were always deeing him up. But it was because he was skinny. He couldn't fight. So you know how it is, bro.

Like, it's like clicks within clicks type shit. Like, oh, we'll let this guy get away with it. But we're not, we're going to push up on him. Right. So like when with that dude Like we deed him up a couple times And uh I was like I wouldn't talk to him and I'm like bro

Like what's up you're gonna keep because he kept doing it So I'm like are you gonna keep doing this shit? And he was like He's like bro I got life sentence I'm 20 years old Tim I'm never going home Oh my God He's like what the fuck do you want me to do He's like I'm never going home I've exhausted all my appeals I'm here And when he said that I was like

We had a meeting and I was just like, bro, like, I don't know if motherfuckers ain't ever going home, we got to kind of just let that shit slide. Maybe ask for consent? Yeah, like, like, is there something we could do? Yeah, like, when dude, when dude did that to that youngster, I politicked against them. Like, we had a meeting out of because we had have a meeting every day. And I was like, bro, this fool fucking, he wasn't out there.

I was like, this fool, clap that fool's cheeks. I was like, hell fucking nah, bro, like, that shit ain't right. you know, and the youngster wound up catching out the next day and never saw him again. But yeah, dude, like, yeah, I didn't see a lot of that going on in, in, like, prison. Usually dudes got talked out of their ass. Yeah, yeah. No, that's always the majority. Wherever that happens, it's generally, it's generally consent.

Yeah, I've seen dudes. I've seen a dude, there was a big ass black dude in there. His thing was like little ass white boys. He was, but he could use that Bible. I've seen him use the Bible to get close with this white dude. They're fucking eating cookies and drinking coffee. But his whole game was he wanted to turn him out so he could get the little white boy to start pumping him. So he could flip-flop with the white boy.

Like it's just some weird ass shit in there, dude, with that type of shit, bro. Yeah, those are the scariest people in the joint or the weirdos. Yeah, the weirdos, the psych patients. Yeah. Yeah, I've seen some suicidal shit in there. So did you get all your good times? though? No, no, I did a serve-all, bro. So you did a day for day, yeah, because you were sentenced to six and you did six. Yeah, well, no, they gave me eight. I did a serve-all, and I did a little bit over six on it. That's right. Okay. And then I had came home from work, so when they give you a serve-all in TDC, that means, like, parole will review your case every six months, but they don't see you. So I had came home from work eight in the morning. I come home from work, and then the law was like, hey, you got a land to go to parole. What was like six-something? and I looked at it was like at 8 in the morning I had to go to pro I'm like man what the fuck

so I just take a shower and I stay up I go down to the building and it's cold as fuck bro it iced and shit and they make you sit outside and that shit like they don't let you go inside and get no fucking heat so I'm sitting out there I'm cold to motherfucker so every law that comes by that I know them they like so the laws didn't fuck with me because I have fuck with blacks right but because I went all the way to close custody and I stayed me when I came back to A side, it was a whole level of respect. Like, I could basically get what I want.

Like, if I spazzed out on a law and they called the rank down there and the rank saw it was me, they'd be like, Grisheimer, go to the cell. And they'd be like, no, I want him locked up. He called me a fucking bitch. No, you ain't going to lock him up. Grisheimer, go the fuck out of here. Go down there. Like, because I don't know what it is, but they just fucked with me ever since.

And so I would see laws. I'm like, hey, bro, tell parole to let me leave because I already know I'm getting set off. I'm doing a serval. I'm like, I got like a year and a half left. Like, I don't care about fucking going home. Like, I'll do a year and a half on my dick. I'm not tripping. I got it made back here.

I'm fucking doing what the fuck I want to do. So the parole lady, she comes out because one of the law is going there and say, hey, man, can you just get him his paperwork so he can leave? So she comes out, she gives him my paperwork. And she's like, all right, Tim. She's like, sorry for making you wait. I was like, man, I was like, I ain't trying to chip with you. I was like, it's cold.

I've been working all night. I'm just trying to get back to the pod. So when I come out, I'm trying to beat Canada. out and I'm at a crash gate and I'm yelling down so you got the chow hall and then there's in between the chowall is the ODR which is the officer's dining room and then the A and the B and A 7 and 8 chowall is on the

other side so the laws are sitting at this crash gate and they control all these gates so you gotta yell gate gate and all that shit got built because of the Texas 7 they're the reason why that shit happened so I'm like gate gate gate and I'm like gate motherfucker and they're like Christheimer what we got shot on motherfucker

so I look down at the paper and I see like a highlight mark onto the paper and I'm like something's telling me to look at this shit. So I open it up and I look. I had a release date for that Friday to go home. Wow. I'm like, what the fuck? So you didn't even have to go see the parole board or nothing. No, I didn't have to go see the parole board or nothing. So you did get good time. No, they, well, if you're a non-agravated offender, they give you good time. Even if you get tickets or whatever. Yeah, yeah. Well, they'll take your good time from you. But the good time used to mean something. So like when they used to pay inmates in Texas, Texas gave up their pay for good time. So what good time is is like two for one or three for one. So say you get all these

three for ones, say you got a 10 year sentence. You've been locked up for a six months or you say you've been locked up a year. It equals what like three years or some shit. You see parole quicker. Then they'll give you like a short way discharge what used to be mandatory. So if you got it, So on a 10 non-ag, say you've got to do two and a half to your short way. If you stay out of trouble on that short way, you're going home. But then they passed bills later on. So now that short way don't mean shit. The good time don't mean nothing.

Because if they don't want to give you parole, they're not going to give it to you. And the two for one or three for one don't mean nothing because you're still going to walk that bitch to the door regardless. Dude, my second time in prison, they kept me in there almost seven and a half years on a non-agg 15 for a dope case. I didn't have one fucking case. They just set you off for whatever to, and I was up for parole as soon as I went down there. So it's like a carrot that they dangle in front of your head. But I understand it because it kind of keeps inmates in check because they're like, damn, I might make parole. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, obviously, that's like the logical thing. Yeah. You should give people chances to get out early. That's wild. So you got it. You came home. Yeah, I came home.

And I went to that, though. walls to get released and then they took me to that safe pee program. That's right. So I had to do nine months there. So I go to do nine months in that fucking mental fucking program. That shit's fucking insane. It's so crazy. It's basically a snitch program.

Right. They make you snitch on each other. Right. It's like I went through some shit like that. Yeah. You got to drop tickets and slips on people. I sold Johnny. Oh, for real?

It wasn't supposed to. Oh, it's actually a snitch. Oh, that's wild. You confront people in a group and encounter group and you'll be like, And you'll be like, oh, Mr. Mitchell. And you got to sit like this. And full props, they call it. Mr. Mitchell, this is not about you.

It's about your negative behavior, sir. Right. Stupid-ass shit. Oh, I'd rather be in prison. You know, dude, it was so trash, dog. Don't put it. Pull up Mr. Mitchell for eating candy when it's not free time. And you're like, what the fuck?

Why are you telling on me, bro? Right. You just came from watching dudes get massacre with fucking shanks. And now you got to, it's like, it's like, it's like daycare. Yeah. they tried to kick me out of it, but my counselor, she fucked with me and she saved me. Like, they had me in the Segg Cell to kick me out because I had threatened this dude. And, uh, so you were down, you were incarcerated about, what, seven years, seven and a half years, something like that.

Seven, right close to that, yeah. That's an amazing story, man. Well, uh, I think we'll jump over and do a bonus episode because it didn't end there. Of course, you went back, uh, and you became a Muslim and a whole other. crazy part too that we'll do but I think we've been going for a while so I think we'll cut it there but uh now you're in Austin tattooing like do you have an Instagram you want to shout out or anything like that Instagram it's all uh criminal customs uh tattoos and designs and uh I just drop into like I got a lot of connections around Texas so I really don't I don't go in shops

anymore so like anybody who has like private studios and stuff I've like say like uh you hit me up and you're from Houston. And then you're like, can I come to Austin and see you? And then I'll be like, well, where are you at? And then if you're like, oh, I'm in Houston, ooh, and I'll just reach out to somebody and say, if I don't know, if I'm like, well, is Mitchell Studios close to you, or how far are you from this?

And okay, yeah, and I'll just hit you up. And I'll be like, hey, Johnny, I got this chess piece. I'm about to go do. How much are you going to charge me for a guest spot appearance that day? And if you're like, man, just give me $150. Then I'll just tell the dude, whatever, give me this much. And me there. meet me there. I'll drop in. I'll just give you your 150 as soon as I walk in.

And usually it's not even that much. Usually it's like a hundred bucks. I don't built so many good relationships. Sometimes it's 50 bucks. Sometimes they don't even charge me. Nice. You know, because people just like fuck with me, bro. Because like when I tattoo somebody, it's like, I'm like, you want to listen to music or you want to chop it up or I'll play a, like I, bro, I play your podcast all the time. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Like for like, that's, I'm honored. Like no real talk, bro. Like I've played your podcast so many times. I got kicked off of Instagram for playing your podcast. I was on Instagram live tattooing and I had your podcast. Oh, you got the copyright? Yeah. That just happened to us. That sucks, bro. Yeah, that's not us.

That's automatic. I never, we never report that shit or nothing. Yeah, so I've been, I've been dude. I play your shit, Maria Van Zeller. I play her shit. So, Ian Bick. Yeah. Oh, we don't fuck with Ian Bick. What do? We got to take that out. Okay. Yeah, take it out. Take it out. I'll take it out. I'm just a little twink. That's all. I love taking shots at him. That's my competition.

So people can DM you if they want. Yeah, they can DM you know, in Texas and they want to get inked up. Yeah. I got people coming from out of state to see me. I just, my boy just came up here from Florida to see me a couple weeks ago.

You know what I'm saying? Flew down here. That's what's up. Saw me. You know, I rocked his neck out for him. And he's supposed to be coming back in a couple weeks to get it finished up. So amazing.

Well, maybe we'll have to do something with me. You know what I mean? I'm trying to get, I'm trying to get my ink started. Man, shit, I'll do something for you for free, bro. Man, well, dude, that was, uh, that was epic. That was epic. We really appreciate it, man. Yeah.

Really appreciate it. Uh, go shout them out. We're going to, we're going to put the Instagram up in the description of the episode. What's your last name again? Uh, Gris. Well, you want my Instagram or my last name? Both. Grisheimer.

Bryceheimer, yeah. It's long as long as full. look, but my Instagram is criminal customs, tattoos and designs. There we go. Tim at criminal customs and designs. Yeah. That was unbelievable, man. Well, we're happy you're free.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And jump over to Patreon if you want to hear part two. I just got to take a piss break. So, yeah, hell yeah. Tim, thank you, bro. Appreciate it, man. All right. We'll see you guys over there.

Patreon.com slash The Connect show. That was one of the better episodes we've done in a long time. I appreciate you, bro. Yes, sir. Take care, guys.