The Connect- with Johnny Mitchell - The KING Of Stolen Cars: How A Mastermind Car Thief Built A GLOBAL Luxury Car Theft Empire

Episode Date: March 23, 2025

From stealing high-end luxury cars to running an international smuggling ring, Skinny Keem made millions in a criminal empire that spanned 14 years. In this exclusive interview, he reveals how his operation worked, the global network behind stolen vehicles, and the unbelievable ways he dodged law enforcement. From Philly to Africa, this is a story you won’t believe. - The shocking reality of high-end car theft - How stolen cars were smuggled overseas - Corruption at ports & bribing officials - Making millions & staying ahead of the feds - Why he walked away—and the threats that followed Go Support Keem! IG: https://www.instagram.com/skinny.keem/ This Episode Is #Sponsored By The Following: True Classic! Upgrade your wardrobe and save on @trueclassic at https://trueclassic.com/CONNECT #trueclassicpod Join The Patreon For Bonus Content! https://www.patreon.com/theconnectshow Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

If I knew I could get it, I would get it. You wanted a boat, I'm going to get the boat. You just go in the car lot and you take it. They bring in 10 cars and I'm giving them $1,000 each. I'm keeping $90,000. If a buyer wanted this specific car, then we would go to the extreme to get it. Today's guest goes by the name of Skinny Keem, the former ringleader of an international car theft organization based on the south side of Philadelphia.

For 14 years, Keem headed a multi-state car theft ring that employed dozens of people stealing high-end automobiles and selling them to African crime syndicates all over the world. The value of those stolen cars was easily half a billion dollars, and Keem himself was making more money every week than most drug kingpins do. The story was so crazy at times that I wasn't sure if I believed him at first, and I had to check his paperwork, but I can assure you, this man is telling the truth. This was a fascinating look at a phenomenally lucrative crime racket that mostly goes unnoticed in the mainstream media. And for a bonus episode with Keem where he explains how he dodged a Fed case and what he's doing now, check out

that Patreon. Patreon.com slash The Connect Show. Without further ado, we've never done an interview quite like this one. Skinny Keem right here on The Connect with Johnny Mitchell. The only reason why I got caught is because somebody set me up. They said I had a car lot sitting on 61st Street. They connected me to 51 cars in the eight months. So that's just 51 cars that they knew about. about. I sold thousands of cars. I got robbed for the million dollars. I made that million dollars back in a week. Every mobster we talked to from New York, uh, or Jersey lives now in Orlando or Tampa. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. And if they're lucky, Boka. Yeah. If you got enough money, now Miami, it's like crazy, crazy expensive. Yeah. But, uh, so you can get a house in Orlando and, you know,

on a big ass piece of land. It's fucking, you know, um, I would never live there. If I'm going to live in Florida, It's going to be in Miami. I see a lot of them, like, riding by and they, Lamburgon, Gini, Ferraris, and races and all. Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah.

But the crazy thing is, since I was a kid, I knew that I wanted my name. Like, I wanted people to know my full name. I just didn't know what I was going to do. And then, like, when I turned it to a teenager, I started studying the FBI. I used to, I wouldn't go to school. but I would go to the library and I was steady the FBI. And I didn't know if it was because I wanted to be an FBI agent, if I wanted to be a cop or if I wanted to be a criminal and I wanted to just know how to brain work

and how to move around them. And I moved around for the first seven years. I moved around. And then I moved around again for another seven years. Yeah. So how did you decide on car theft? Right? Because you're from Philly.

You're from South Philly. Most people are in the drug game. Yeah. Right? From a young age. it sounds like you consciously decided now I'm going to steal cars I didn't

I had just got out of jail and my friend was stealing cars so they were stealing cars back in like 1997 but I ain't know how to drive so I ain't need no car so this guy from my neighborhood he was like the best that ever did it

he had come through in Benz's and he always had upper class cars but he wasn't selling them for much so later on down the line when I finally found the plug to do it, I went back to him. And he started getting the cars. What year did you start? Selling the cars?

2006. The middle of 2006. Okay. So I feel like it's gotten progressively harder to steal cars as the technology gets better and better. Is that true? No. That's not true. Okay.

Explain to us, how do you steal cars in the modern era? In the modern era, you just go in the car lot and you take it. It don't even, right now, it don't even matter with cameras right now either because it'd be the same method. If I, if I was running the game now, I would still make a lot of money and they wouldn't catch me because I know how to do it. I know the rules. And also, I had rules. So everybody that was working with me, I'm not going to say for me, I'm going to say with me. They knew the rules.

It's just when somebody came in and didn't understand the rules, that's how I got caught. But you could go, I could go up the street right now because I've seen my people do it and I can get off the lot with a car. Because we're not hurting nobody. We're not breaking no windows. You're not doing none of that. You just simply going in there, you see a key and you take the car. Okay. But back in 2006, were you going on lots as well?

Yeah, the first time I went on a lot, I got scared, though. I didn't do it. I turned around and it was like, fuck it. But my friend, he had got to. the car. He was trying to teach me how to do it. But I didn't have no buyers for it. And he had buyers, but he had like $500 buyers, like somebody that just wanted joyride around the neighborhood. Right. So just from going with him, he had got me a brand new F-150. And I would ride around in this F-150 for like six months. I put a tag on it and everything. And I would ride around in it for like

six months. And then one day I went back to my neighborhood because I go back to Southwest. I was living up in, um, Islandy at the time. So I would go down to Southwest every day. And I ran into another one of my friends and he asked me, did I want to sell a truck? And I just came home from jail. I needed some money anyway. So I sold that truck for $1,500. And I actually met the Connect that day. And he sat and he told me what was going on. So that's how I got started in it. Okay. So how did you, did you get started with a crew or did you know?

No, I got started. I got started. I got started. by myself and then I called the guy that I know was taking them. So when I got home from talking to the plug, the guy from overseas, I just got home and I started mapping it out on how can I do this and how can I get paid. I think I started I started off getting $700. I would take, I would get, I would get 25. I would take the $5 or I would get $2,000. I would take the $5 and I would make them also give me $200.

for doing the transaction. Hang out, what are you talking about? I'm confused here. So who's the buyer? You got a buyer overseas. Yep, I got the buyer overseas. Who's that buyer? I can't say names, but...

Obviously. Yeah, but it's an African guy from overseas. So... Where? Sierra Leone, Freetown, over in Freetown. Wow, all right. And he's Americanized, but he goes back to Africa every year. so often because he's shipping.

But I didn't know this. I didn't know that that was going on. So he sat and he talked to me and he told me and I said, well, what type of cars you want? And he said, range rovers. So I called my friend and I'm like, all right, look, they want, I know these people and they buying range rovers. So if you get me a range rover, I give you $2,500. We're going to get $2,500.

And I'm going to keep the $500 and then you're going to get me too. Still, so. So you're middle manning a car. Yeah. A stolen car. Yeah. Basically, I'm broke. Through the whole thing I'm brokering unless my people get locked up and I got to do it myself.

Like one of my friends got locked up for three years or two years or something. So I had to take over until, you know, I had to take over getting the cars until he came back out. Wow. So you, it sounds like you didn't even steal cars mostly. You were just brokering between the buyers and the kids doing the thieving. Yeah. Oh, that's the best place to be. Yeah.

But when I had to, I had to because I had to get the shipment done. So I would get my other friend from Southwest and we would go out and we would have to just do it ourselves. Wow. Okay. So in 2006, when you started, what kind of cars were you taking primarily? In 2006, I was taking, well, we were getting range rovers. We would get mostly American in 2006. So I was getting Ford's.

I was getting. luxury, I was getting range rovers. It was just a variety. Volkswagen, because then they start saying, we don't want American cars. They needed foreign cars for the roads and stuff over there. They mainly needed trucks, but I was so smooth that I could make them buy regular cars, too.

And you were taking these off of car lots? Off car lots. And these are new cars. Brand new. Some of them even had the plastic on them. Wow. So it's this block. So I'm on a little block. It's called Glenmore.

It's in Southwest. And then you got 61st Street on the other side of, well, you got grades on the other side of Glenmore. And it's this back way right here. I had that whole backway filled up with new cars with plastic on them. How many cars could you get like a week? A week? Let's say I had 26 people working with me. That's 26 people that got arrested.

Yeah. And you figured that if each one of them bring them, four cars a week because they was bringing so many cars. So you got to do the math on that. Hundreds of cars. I sold thousands of cars. They connected me to 51 cars in the eight months. So that's just 51 cars that they knew about. Just imagine what they didn't know about. Okay. So how exactly do you get a new car stolen off of the lot? So you get up 9 o'clock in the morning. Sometimes, depending on what time the dealership open.

You go in there. They be so busy in the morning that they don't even know. You see a key. It don't matter. It ain't like we pick the car that we want. You see a key. You grab the key. You come back even at night.

Where is the key in a car lot? In a range rover dealership. Where is a key lying around? Anywhere. If it's in maintenance, we didn't care if it was in maintenance. Or even I had people that was going in the back room. If I saw you, and I'm not a racist person, but if I saw you and a bunch of like Southwest Philly kids come into my dealership, I would put the keys away immediately. But it wasn't like that. It was only one person going in.

And do they act like buyers? Do they act like they're interested? Like how are they able to slip into a maintenance room? It's just like going into the, it's just like going into the quickie mark. You just walk in. It's like how how they go into Wawa and they slip can. or something like a lot of people don't pay for stuff at y-wah-why so it's just like that like you go in there and if you see it you just take it even if you go into let's say a rental car place or something and sometimes they turn their back and the keys will be there and they people people are taking it's real easy people i think people make things people make things complicated life is point a to point B. I don't know about C, D, E, F, G. I don't know about nothing before A. I just go A and B, and that's it. So, but if you go in somewhere, you see a key, I take the key, and I'm coming back

later on at night. There's no in between. So if you take a key, if you're able to just find a key lying around. You come back and you pop, and you just pop, you hit it. Click it. Yeah. And if that, if that, if that, if that, if that, if that, if that, if that motherfucker is box, then, we're going to unbox it. We're going to move it with that car. So I had some, young boys, they would go and they would cut the gate at night because they would get like at least four keys. So that's four cars coming off at one night. So they would cut the gate in New Jersey or wherever they ate. I used to go to New Jersey, Maryland, D.C., Baltimore, Trenton, Miami, Orlando, Ohio.

Everywhere these cars was coming from, they would call me. and the cars would end up in Philly and then end up in a container going overseas. Yeah, because I assume after you hit one place, you can't come back to it? Or can you? You can, because we was hitting them so many times. But this is what I think happens.

I think that the car lot don't care about this happening because it's just going to be an insurance right off. So they get in the money back. So now these motherfuckers just sold, basically sold 10 cars. in the month because they get in the money back. How you think something lasts that?

I shouldn't have been doing it that long. So you know that it's not like they was in on it, but they got smart to it like, hey, let them keep stealing them. We're going to keep collecting the money off of them. And probably charging more than what they could have gotten selling it. So let's say you got a Porsche 9-11. I come take it. You're getting all the money back from that Porsche off of insurance.

So yeah, please come take my cars. That's how they was filming. Okay, so you get the, you might get four range rovers off of a lot in one night. How do you identify? Do you do pretty good casing work before you go into a place?

Sometimes, okay, so sometimes my friend would get the manifest on what's being delivered. So he would know, like, what's being delivered to the lot. I don't know how he used to go on the computer. And he would be like, all right, and I'm getting this. And it'll be on the computer screen. So he knows that it's coming in there.

And he just go in and find a key room. And he just take... Sometimes they'll take a handful of keys. And we just come back and just pop. I used to have keys all over. Did anybody get popped, like at the scene doing that? Yeah. So one time I told my friend, I said, all right, bro, I'm going to Florida.

Don't do nothing. Because then nobody had to connect. I had to connect. The connect wouldn't even mess with nobody. else. So I'm like, I'm going to Florida. Me and my girlfriend, going to Florida, don't do nothing until I come back. And I don't even know why he did it, but I guess it's addictive because he didn't even had nobody to sell it to. So I'm like, don't do nothing until I come back. He goes because

he already had keys. So he felt as though he could just go and take the car off the lot. And the cops was there waiting. And they chased them back. They chased him and his girlfriend back. And they got him and they got the car. But these, These aren't federal crimes though. It's federal crimes when you pull a gun out. Oh, I see. I don't do no carjack. I made sure my people didn't do no.

If they did, I don't know about it. Well, most people don't know, stealing a car in most states is not really that big of a charge. It's not. It's called usually like a UUNB, unauthorized use of a motor vehicle or- Receive and stolen property. So that's why I try to tell everybody that be like, well, bro, you did all this, you should be, no, I wasn't going to get no time. My lawyer was mad at me for doing something, but I wasn't going to get no time. I'm like, take me to, I'm telling the cops, my right hand of God, I'm telling the cops, take me to jail and let everybody else go.

It's me. I'm the brains. I'm the mastermind. I did it. Okay. If back up. So how long did it take you to recruit this crew of how many people do you say, 25, 26 people working for you? How long did it take you after you got going?

So, okay, I sold the F-150. I came home, I started mapping it out. And then maybe a few weeks when I really had it solid, because me and the guy was just going at first, and we were just keeping all the money. We was just going. So I'm like, all right, I want to make this big. Because I admire the guys that was really running stuff,

and I wanted that, I wanted the organization. I went into call to the organization back then because I ain't even know what that was. I just knew that I wanted all my friends to be together and all my friends eat. So I would go around to the neighborhoods. This is like weeks after taking the first ones. So I would go around to every neighborhood I lived in.

I lived in so many neighborhoods. I went around to each neighborhood and I jumped out of the car and I'd be like, yo, you ain't got to stand out here no more. You ain't got to do this no more. Just come with me and I'm going to pitch y'all on the money. And that's how I started recruiting people. Memorial Day weekend is almost here, and it's time to kick off summer right.

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And did people quickly see, oh, this is better than like selling crack for somebody, heroin for somebody? Yeah. Okay. They started buying houses for they sell. Yeah. You can make $50,000. So imagine if they make a $50,000 a week. Imagine how much I was making a week.

Okay, yeah. So explain that. So they would bring the stolen cars. You'd give them $2,000? Yeah, $2,000, or $3,000. or a thousand. It all depended on what they brought, and it all depended on how it was that day.

Like some people just be like, yo, I'm trying to go out, hunt, take this car. And then I didn't like them joyriding in it. So I would just buy it off them. And then you give it to your buyer for, you mark it up, $500,000, $1,000? Nah, $4,000, $4,000. Okay.

So he was buying him eventually for like... 10. So even if I was getting, 10,000 at the end. So if I'm getting 10,000 a car at the end and I'm giving somebody 2,000, I'm still making off. Wow. I'm still making off. And then sometimes they would come and meet me and they would bring 100,000. So if you're bringing me $100,000 and I got players out there that's bringing a car and they, a thousand dollars back then was a lot of money, believe it or not, $1,000. So if they bring in 10 cars and I'm giving them $1,000,

each. I'm keeping $90,000. Wow. And your buyer could take as many cars as you could get them? Yeah, because they put them on the boat. They put them in a shipping container. I had shipping containers all around. Wow. Can you explain how that works? How these brokers,

these international brokers, put stolen cars on containers being sent overseas? So I'm going to break down the process. So I would get a car and they would be like, hey, such and such coming to America. He wanted to meet with you. I'd be like, all right, give me $1,000 and I'm going to meet with you. I used to meet him at this bar called the Happy Inn in Southwest.

So they're coming there. They buy me drinks, and they give me the $1,000. And so the next day, they'll give me a list. And the $1,000 was just to talk to me. The next day, they'd give me a list on what they want. And they'd give me $100,000. And that is for the cars. Now.

So they give you the money up front. Yeah, because they trust me. They give me the money up front. I sat in the car with my home. I had $100,000 in the glove compartment. He seen me, my homie reek, I could say his name, because he ain't had no, he had no dealing in this. We set outside the bar, and I put $100,000 in the glove compartment.

The reason why I put this $100,000 in the glove compartment, because I wanted to see if he was going to take it or get somebody to break in the car and do it. We went in the party, the money was in the car, we came out, and the money was still there. That's how I used to, like, see if I could trust people. But anyway, back to the story, $100,000 they would bring. And when they bring the $100,000, they give me the list, and I get them the cars. Now, if they don't come and get these cars in that time, I get to keep everything. And they know that because they're going to come and get the cars.

So they had a containers ready. They'd be like, all right, bro. All right, Ace. They used to call me Ace. All right, Ace, we got the containers, and now we're ready to ship. So either the car is going to go to the port. Or they have them on, where did they catch their container at? They caught a container on 61st and Cemetery Avenue.

It was right on the street. So most of the time, when you see these containers on the street, they got vehicles in there. So they drive the car up on the street, like there's nothing. And then a truck will pick it up. The truck will pick it up. And take it to the port. Take it to the port. Is there any kind of like, do they have to disguise the car?

Do they have to put fake tags on it or anything like that? No. They don't check the car. going out leaving America? No, because everybody's in on it. Explain that. Everybody's in on it. I don't know.

Everybody's on it. The whole world is in on it. If it's the government, if is the, if is the, um... Explain that. You're not getting out of, yeah, talking about this. All right. So if it's the government, so is government officials? Who?

That's over overseas or at the port. Okay. So all you got workers at the port that's letting it go. So they take a bribe. Yeah. Well, over in Africa, obviously, that's all set up. Yeah, that's all set up here. Here, did the customs check the stuff moving out?

They had to take bribes. It has to be because I moved so many. I moved thousands and thousands of cars and none of them got caught. And I'm getting paid because it's making it over. So it takes three to four weeks to make it overseas on the boat. That's the only way you could get it. there. Ain't nobody flying no car there. So you take three or four weeks to get it over there. And if I'm getting paid, that means it made it. Do you have to, are you also responsible for not

just getting the cars, stealing the cars, but actually getting them into the crates and getting them out of port? Or is somebody else doing that? Yeah, that's somebody else's job. But sometimes I would be there to see it or oversee it. Right. Yeah. Wow. Did you have to pay anybody off or that's already taken care of? That's, that's, that, that, that, that, that's already be taken care of. When they come with the manifest or they show me the paper like, look, I got the container. They had to pay the driver off. They had to pay this person off. Yeah. Wow. It's a lot of money that people don't know about. It's not just me getting paid. It's money going through everybody hands. Yeah. Even in America, it sounds like. Yeah, definitely, because it has to get out of here. Yeah. So, where were most

of these guys coming from, these buyers? Um, West Africa. Okay. So it sounds like, Sounds like it was mostly the African countries. Yeah, from over there. Do you think these were getting resold to criminals or on the free market, like on car lots, car dealerships over there? I don't know because I got an order for fucking, I had got an order for like a Secret Service type thing from over there, though, not here, from over there. They wanted F-150s for a president, and I sent them, I think I sent them like six, six F-150s. I made a call to my people down in North Philly, and they filled the, and we felt the order. Wow.

That makes sense, right? And I sent them, and before that, when the person was just into the politics, I had sent him a bins. I just gave them a bins for free. And that's what we used to do for each other. Like they'd just give me money for free and I'd send them stuff for free. So after you would fulfill an order, like with the first buyer you met, this guy from Sierra Leone, he would, I assume, tell other people. Yeah. That he has a plug in America.

And they would come all the way over and meet you at this seedy bar in South Philly. Yep, at the bar. And when they come, they didn't even know anguish. I sat with people that didn't know English they had translators with them rich people he had translator and you know how you

you see like Africans on TV and and listen and they and they talk but this motherfucker was talking like I swear the guy like a stereotype like a racist stereotype no no no no no he was talking in his language but he was like

but and yeah it was it was crazy and they gave me the money I sat in the back of the car my block used to have like bentley's everything used to come through this block so I don't know how I wasn't on the radar like that yeah everything came through that block to see me but nobody knew what I was doing people some people knew that I had a lot of money and they thought that I was printing the shit in the basement they thought that I was making counterfeit money in the basement because they would come with all hundreds that's all I ever got was hundreds In the beginning, they was coming with 20s and stuff. But after that, when I got to the big people, all hundreds.

Did you get a sense that these were high-level people? Obviously, they were. But did you get a sense, like, okay, these are rich businessmen, they're politicians, their drug traffickers? Like, did you feel that when you would be with these guys? Not at first, but when I start going around and I started going to homes and stuff like that, that's when I knew what I really were.

was dealing with. So I really kept it quiet. What do you mean homes? Like these people had houses over here. Yeah, they have houses over here. Okay. So yeah, tell us a little bit about that. Are these like foreign dignitaries? Are these? Yeah, politicians and stuff. Like it was one that he recently passed away from COVID. But I knew he was working with the, um, I knew the whole time that he was working with the FBI, but I was still selling them cars because I knew he wouldn't give me up. and he didn't give me up though. I think one time somebody he was with, I think they got a bug in my car.

I'm not sure, though, because after I switched cars with him, I let him hold my car, and he let me hold his car. The cops pulled me over and took my car. So I was kind of weary about that, but I still did business with him. I'm like, he ain't going,

he ain't going to tell on me because he's making so much money. I don't know who else he probably told on, but, And I knew for sure that he was working with the FBI. Really? Yeah. Like giving him information on other car theft rings or something else entirely?

I think I had the only car theft ring. I think everything was connected through me, but he was telling about individuals. He didn't bring the head of the snake down. Nobody would bring me down until I started messing with younger people that didn't know the game. Okay. So they bring you $100,000. and that's like the upfront money. For the cars.

Yeah. And so you got a list of how many cars? How many cars will 100,000 get them? 10. 10 cars. Okay. And how long does that take to fulfill? A couple days, because I already be in the mix with them.

I had shit sitting around. The news say I had, they said I had a car lot sitting on 61st Street. So buyers just come by and they send their associate and then they see the car and then they call back home. I can show you my phone. I got overseas numbers in there right now. So you would have basically car lots. Yeah, all over the city. Stolen cars just waiting to be bought. Just waiting to be bought all over the city. Any part of the city that I had somebody doing it with me, it'd be there. I used to take these people in the slums to go get their cars. Right, right. And Philly still has slums. Yeah. So you can kind of, but doesn't that stand out when you have,

Range Rovers and Bentley is just sitting in an abandoned parking lot in Southwest Philly? I don't put them in abandoned parking lots. I just put them on the street. And everybody knows that everybody in Philly like luxury cars. So you could see a Bentley on a messed up block. It won't stand out. It probably won't even stand out to the police. Right.

It's a drug dealer's car. It's just somebody bad with money that lives in the projects and spends all their money on a car note. There you got. Yeah. Yeah. Because even on my block, I used to. to have cars out there. I had S550, BMW, I had range rovers. I had all types of stuff, but the police never came through and said, you know?

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Did I have something taken from me? Yeah. No, but this one time I was sitting in the car and I was meeting a plug and everybody started doing it. Like everybody started doing it. And so I seen these dudes coming to take the car that I was in. This one, the Chrysler 300 came out, so it would look like a nice car. And they was coming to take the car. But when they got to the car, they said, oh, shit, that's ace.

So they didn't take the car. So you were known in the hood as like this car theft ring kingpin? To the people that know. But to other people, I was a rapper. I used to hide behind rap. Like, I'm getting all my money from rap. Or I guess they thought I was a drug dealer. And I did because.

periodically every time I would stop the ring for like a month or something. And then I would just go probably sell some drugs if I got bored or something like that. Right. But I would sell the drugs and I was selling for nothing, though. I was selling double ups and stuff like that. Just the past the time until I start back to organization. This is a way better hustle than drugs. Hell yeah.

You know, you're making what, about $8,000 a car? Like you can't make that wholesaling a brick. You can only charge a couple of points on like a kilo. Nope. So I used to be in the club with the drug dealers and I used to be like, man, I'm glad I ain't doing that. And then the FBI brought me in one time after, because my house had got robbed.

So the FBI brought me in and they showed me all these pictures of people I knew. So they was trying to say that the people I knew had robbed me. So the FBI was trying to get me to start working for them. They was trying to make me mad enough to start working for them. And I'm like, no, I don't.

deal, I don't do, I don't fuck with no drugs and I'm not working for y'all on that type time. I fuck with cars. That was my shit. And then they was like, well, ain't you mad about the money? I said I made that million dollars back in a week. But they don't believe shit. Like if you tell somebody something, if you put it in their face, I guarantee you they won't believe it.

Well, at least in the hood, they won't believe it. If I'm telling somebody I made a million dollars in a week and I'm in the hood, they'd be like, man, get out of here. That's how I lasted for so long. Right. Because I would tell people, I'd be like, man, I made a million dollars. And they'd be like, yeah, get the fuck out of, yeah. Yeah.

So you would touch that kind of money. Yeah. They took a million dollars out of my house. Wow. So you make a million dollars basically just middlemanning these cars. Brokering them and drive. Sometimes I would drive them to the container. I would drive them to the place.

And I would pay that person, tell them to lead a car there, and then I'd take over. Yeah. And your people, the guys stealing the cars would make a good money too. It was making money, yeah. Yeah. I can't name nobody, but there's a lot of people out here now that's living comfortable off of what I put in place. So as you back in 2006, 7, 8, as you're growing, do you have to start fanning out to other states because you're stealing too many cars from Philly? Yeah, so I fanned out to D.C. So I was in New York Avenue out in D.C.

That's where I had my other operation was out of this hotel on New York Avenue. And I parked the cars in the hotel parking lot. And then it was like a storage unit, like not too far from there. And they right there. And we had come straight down, straight down, 95, straight to D.C. with the cars. Sometimes the shit ain't even

had no plates on it. Did you ever get pulled over or did you ever have to get in a high speed? No, I got in, I got in, I got in two high speed chases. One, because somebody was trying to kill me. And the other one was,

because I was in a Jaguar and I was moving it from one location to the other one, and the cops had got on me. So I had to go. But I got away from them. I parked it in a car, a downtown hotel,

parking lot. And the crazy thing is when I, when I, as I was getting chased, I was on the phone with the plug and I'm telling him where I'm putting the car at. And he got and he still got the car. Wow. Wow. I was going to ask you that. So do cars, do do luxury cars or any brand new cars off the lot? Do they have license plates? Or is it provisional plates? Yeah, some of them do because I think the store people, I think they be driving them home sometimes. But if not, then we'll take a plate or we won't use no plate at all. We used to come off the car lot. One night we came off the car lot,

I'm sitting across the street. This in, I think, Bala Kenwood, I'm sitting across the street waiting for my friend to come off the lot. The cops is sitting right here. He comes off the lot with no lights on or nothing, and I just get behind him. It'd be like they'd be so oblivious to it.

well my my my way the way that I was doing it they wouldn't have never they wouldn't have never caught me they wouldn't if I ain't get if somebody ain't say nothing they wouldn't have never court me because I turned around and I did it again so they they wouldn't have never court me okay so the idea if you is to try to steal a license plate from a different car on the lot that has a plate no no no no that'd be too much if that if the car don't have no plate on it you just still take it take it right and then we'll have a plate in the other car and we'll have a plate in the other car and We go somewhere apart, slap it on. Or I sold cars with no, I sold cars with the plastic still on it.

With the white plastic, like, coming off the train, I sold cars with the plastic. Oh, yeah, they must have loved that. It's brand new. Yeah. And they'd be parked right in the hood, but they never got took. Three cars got took one time. I parked them outside my house. I got somebody to park him outside of my house.

And the cops was right there, and he was writing a ticket up. So I had some young boys. I'm like, all right, go around the corner. corner and just start shooting in the air so the cop can just move and then we and then we call the cops like yo it's something happening around here man that cop wouldn't move for nothing because he knew he knew what it was wow that's the throw off yeah but he wasn't going for it wow yeah yeah and these guys working for you these are like young cats from the hood um did did they ever get popped and get put under questioning yeah go to go away like actually do time

for these cars they were stealing for you now they some of them get popped but they didn't tell nobody nobody nobody told what somebody was it not like a guy with dope right you know you're not facing nearly as much time yeah but some some I mean if you are repeated a felon I'm if you are repeated offender then yeah you just keep out here doing stuff sometimes because somebody had to tell him my name because they knew it but they called me it was somebody that knew I was a rapper because they called me Boogie. And everybody knew that was my rap name.

The Africans called me Ace. Anybody I was working would call me Ace. So if you said boogie, that means you're just close with me. That means whoever told him my name in 2007 had to have been taken in. Okay. So you were going, you started in 2006. 2007 is when they caught a shipment in 2007, right? Tell us about that.

So I was I was moving the cars And they had caught a shipment So this one, it was done for like nine months They caught a shipment What does that mean? Leaving in the container ships? Yeah, they caught that?

Yeah, they stopped the shipment And it was the cars in there And it came across the news And how do they catch a shipment? Like how do they, how do the port authorities How can they tell that they're stolen cars? Somebody at the port must have told Or they ain't get their pay cut

or they ain't get their shit. That's the only reason when something happened like that. Okay. When they find out because it's going and going and going and then all of a sudden they find some cars in there. That means somebody says something. The cops only come when somebody say something. You can have the longest run in the world and tell somebody say something. Now you're on the investigation.

Now they're on you. I see. Yeah. Okay. So they stopped a shipment, a container, and I see it come on the news. and I see one of the people that I was working for come on the news. So I started calling everybody like, yo, I got to shut down.

We got to shut down. It's hot. Did y'all see the news? Did y'all see the news? So everybody's shutting down. So I got $600,000 at this time. So I sends $600,000 over to Africa to pit into a construction company because I'm trying to hide my money and I'm on my money to come back.

How do you get 600 Gs and cash over to Africa? The car. Oh, how I get it. Cash, drop that duffel bag off to, you know. They got so many ways to do what they do. Right. Yeah. And then you think that you're making them all this money and you're working for them

that they're going to be 100. But if you see the news, if you see something going on on the news, you're going to be like, it's over. Fuck it. This nigga giving me $600,000. I'm taking it and I'm going. You know? So I got burnt for that.

Okay. So they ran off with your money. Yeah, they ran off. After the shit, McGov popped. Yeah, I don't even, I ain't cry about it. But then, so, but did you get hot? Did you get arrested from that? No, no, no, no.

So what happened was one of my other friends got locked up, African guys. So he calls me from, he called me, they called me on a three-way from the federal building downtown. He say, yo, you got to stop. Don't do nothing. You hot. They know your name, but they don't know exactly who you are. and that's how I knew that somebody he said boogie he said he said he said they said boogie that's how I knew somebody gave my name up and he didn't know me as a boogie so I knew he

didn't do it but they never came and got me okay because I stopped so tell us about the next five years because you did this in two two basically periods yeah seven year periods yeah of stealing untold thousands of cars I mean you're making millions of dollars what did you do with that Did you fuck it off? Were you living well? Were you buying businesses? You're a sharp guy, you know?

Yeah, but see, then it wasn't, I wasn't like I am now. I just was high in the money or holding the money, and then that's when I got robbed for the million dollars. I got robbed for the million dollars right before they took me down. So the next part of the story, I still was doing it, but I was stashing the money. So, yeah, I ain't got nothing now, but I was actually, right. All right.

So tell us what happened after that. All right. So after the shipment got took in 2007, I knew that I was hot, but I didn't know how hot I was. So I went and I hid out into college. My girlfriend was going to college, and I just lost all the money. So I didn't have no way to stay. So I went to her house. She let me stay in the basement, and I didn't have no job or nothing.

But I couldn't stay in the house. Her aunt wouldn't let me stay in the house, so I had to find something to do just until I started the organization back up. So I put on scrubs. I put on the stethoscope. I got a book bag, and I got some books, and I started going to the college. So the cops would think that I'm going to school. So one day, I'm on my block in Southwest, and I got the scrubs, and I got my, I ain't had a book bag. I had papers in my hand.

The cops stopped us. They made everybody get on the wall. And they said, and they said, let him go. He got his fucking portfolio in his hand. He's like, yeah, so that's what I used to do. So after that, I did that for about nine months, right? I stayed off the radar for about nine months. So 2010, I started back up.

And this is the car that started me back up that was one of my downfalls, because that's the one that came up in the court dockets. So I started moving the cars again. I went out and recruited some more people, and I still had the same people that I was doing it with. Did your buyers overseas, did they ever get in trouble at all during the time you were dealing with that?

So it was 26 people on the, I'm going to send it to you. It was 26 people on the thing, right? Only one person went to jail. Wow. So do you call them back up and say, hey, I'm ready to work again? No, they called me. They must have, right? Yeah, they called me because after I got out of jail, I would come and I would sit on the top of my block because I knew that they would look for me.

Yeah. So I would sit on top of my block and this guy from London, he came up. Who was that? What guy from London is buying stolen cars? So, I can't say his name, but. So. No, we want to know ethnicities, dude. Oh.

Who are these criminal? These are obviously sophisticated criminal syndicates. So these are Africans in London? Yeah, in London. So they was based on, I had Holland, London. I had them like, they was like all over. And they would come to Philadelphia just to see me. They would come to my block.

They'd be like, they asked somebody, hey, you know what the skinny guy is. They wouldn't even know my name. They just like, you know what the skinny guy. And everybody would be like, he on that block over there. And they would come and that's how they would get me. So it's almost like these African. clans spread out all over Europe. Like, they share information.

Yeah. And you were known as like the dude. Yep. And I was in a Sierra Leone paper, too. So that's how they know. What? Yeah, I was in a Sierra Leone paper. What the fuck does that mean? That went on their news. I was on their news. So, and this is how I was able to do it for another seven years.

You were wanted over there? No, when the news broke, that's how big it was. Oh, I see. When the news broke that they caught all this shit going on over in America, it made the news over there. So that made people, it's like dope. You know, they get a good hit of dope. They want that shit. So when it made the news over there, everybody starts flocking over there to get me, they get with me.

If you sell a stolen car for 10 Gs to an African broker, how much do you think it's getting resold for? By the time it makes it to the consumer. 30? And do you think that they can get 30 for it in Africa? Yeah. People think they don't have money there. Well, the government has money over there and the oligarchs have money for sure. Yeah.

But it's people that you wouldn't even think rich because I didn't think. I had lawyers. I had doctors. I had brain surgeons buying the cars. How did you know that? How do you know who the buyers are? Because to keep it real, it was a lot of women that was the bosses. really yeah a lot of women were the bosses and after i got locked up and i didn't say who the women

was they called me and they're like thank you ace thank you asian it's a lot of women bosses wow okay more than the men i think the men work work for their wives huh huh and and they would let you know hey these are who this is who's buying them over there yeah did the tastes change like the taste in what the consumers wanted and what your middlemen wanted. Like you started off stealing, like, trucks. Yeah. How did that evolve? So people would call me for a boat.

A motherfucker called me about a plane before. So it'd be anything you want, a nightclub, anything I could broker, I would do. So over and, um, over and, um, is it C or whatever the diamonds at, wherever the diamonds are gold at. They wanted an excavator. So I had to get an excavator to dig diamonds up. Wow. Like I'm talking about diamonds like that big.

Yeah. Gold, everything. I had my hand. You stole them an excavator? I had my hands in everything, man. Wow. Everything. And it's like, and I'd be having a proof to show it.

It was a billion dollar, billion dollar industry with the diamonds and the gold, just shaking it. And yeah. Wow. Whatever they wanted, if I knew I could get it, I would get it. Yeah. If you wanted a boat, I'm going to.

get the boot you got them a stolen boat i got him a boat how much is a boat how much you sell a boat for oh i always say the prices but yeah i i i got a boat i got two boots what kind of boats one one one one was like a um i don't be knowing the name of that shit but somebody wanted a yacht before and i was about to sell a yacht a double-decker yacht a double-decker yacht a double deck you get it for him no no no i ain't get it for him huh but because it it did it took four keys to start the engines. Yeah, I didn't know that at first, but each engine had a, had a fucking key.

And all they had was three keys. Yeah. Okay. So what they would do is, if I get them stuff like that, they would break it down, put it in a container, and build it back up when they get there. So that's how some, most people,

it's just like when the president come. He break that helicopter down and put it on the plane. Okay, so if you gave somebody a stolen boat, an African buyer's stolen boat, they would dissect it into parts and ship them over like that. Yeah, you could, yeah.

Right, okay, makes sense. So, but the cars are your bread and butter. So how did those evolve from like trucks and SUVs? Did you steal any like high luxury? I mean, you could get in portions. Was there any like Lamborghinis? Lamborghinis, bentleys, um, Rose Royces, whatever it was.

Because they was coming from so many states. So everybody was calling me. How did you, how did that work with your, the guys doing the stealing in different states? Like, would you send people, was everybody from Philly, or would you recruit locally from, like, D.C. or New York or whatever? The word got around because I would actually go out.

When I would go out, I would meet people in the club. And it's like I got a gift. I know when somebody wants something. So if I'm in a club and I see somebody like, even if it's an African, I used to go for all Africans. If I see an African and he dressed nice and I just walk over and be like, and mingle, and then I be like, yo, what kind of car are you like? You're probably like a Benz.

You're probably like a Bentley man or something, ain't you? I just spark a conversation. And then, boom, I got a new buyer. I do the same thing if I want to get somebody to work. I will go, if I'm at the gas station and I see a homeless person at the gas station, I'd be like, look, bro, you ain't got to be out here doing this. pump a gas and you could come work for me and you will get some money all you got to do is take these cars did it take any kind of special skill to like go in i mean obviously balls and

desperation right like these remind me this kind of reminds me of like the smash and grabs now like it's it's a lot of like young people that don't really seem like they had the business mind to be drug dealers right um but they're willing to you know really like put themselves out there and take real risks. But did it take any special kind of qualification? It sounds like a little bit, right? To walk into a luxury car dealership

as a ghetto youth from Philly and have the nerves to find keys to be able to, like, do you have to find like people that kind of blend in? Yeah, so we had people that blend it in. It was this one guy. He used to dress up like a doctor.

And that's how he would get him from Maryland. And so we were go down to Maryland, and we would bring them back up from Maryland. So he would dress up like a doctor and go into these dealerships? And ask the test drive that vehicle, like he wanted to buy it. Oh, no shit. And then he would put it on a Porsche hat and go into Porsche. And he talked so well.

Right. You got to talk well. Like you said, you can't go in there ghetto. Okay, so they would actually give him the keys to test drive. But they always send somebody with you. Nah. No? No. They gave him the keys to test drive.

Right. It's all about how you talk. And then if you catch somebody at a busy time, too, they're going to do it. How you think I'm making people give me $100,000? So he's making somebody give him the car without them even going with him to test drive it. Are these black people mostly? Yeah. Huh. Yeah. You just got to have that gift. You got to learn how to talk. So they would convince the dealership to let them, and you don't have to leave an ID. He must have had like fake IDs. And yeah, they got all that covered, right, if they're shrewd enough to do that.

So if a buyer wanted this specific car, then we would go to the extreme to get it. Because I'd be like, hey, yeah, they want this. They want this specific car. Right. And so what is the extreme, in your opinion? That. Wow.

So you had guys who were like specialized. You had like your heavy hitters. Yeah. So the heavy, the heavy people, they made, they made a lot of money and they still eating. I mean, well, they're still good to this day. They made a lot of money, the bigger people. Right. So somebody like that, probably, you pay them more money for the car, right?

Yeah. What is that going to cost? Like a guy that goes in like a doctor and gets off like a brand new Porsche. Like, if I'm getting, if I'm getting 10,000, I'm splitting it right down the middle. Yeah. I'm splitting it right down the middle. But if you bring in me something that I know is hot or something, I'm not going to give you that. Why did your price to your buyers not go up?

Like, it sounds like 10 grand was just like the base price. Because I had so many coming. I went and get greedy. Because if I got greedy, they would probably go try to find somebody else to get them. And then that would mess everybody's business up because I know that everybody out here is backdooring everybody. So when you bring that, when you bring the violence and stuff, that's when things going straight. That's when things get messed up.

Right. And I wasn't into that. So, yeah, and it sounds like every level of the chain. So you're paying $5,000, you're making $5,000. They are making $5,000 probably, because the people you're selling it to probably have to pay off another four or five people to get it to Africa. Yeah, and you got to pay for the container.

But once it get there, nobody's doing nothing for nothing. So once they get there, they must be. getting a pretty penny. Did you ever have to pay container people off, like longshoremen or anybody that's working at the ports? No, no. I didn't, but I've seen it done. How much do you think they're getting grease for like a thousand dollars? Exactly, exactly. But the volume is so great. It doesn't sound like there was any, except for this one time you're talking about, it doesn't sound like there was any hold up at the ports. No. Even when the cops halted the operation it still wasn't nothing at the port.

They got it from our end. They didn't get it from the port in. They didn't get it from a snitch from the port. They got it from a snitch from our side. Yeah. Yeah. So that's how after the 30 days I was in jail, I came back and did it.

Gosh, you can't imagine if it's that easy to pay off American port workers, how easy it is in like third world countries to pay off to, hey, I got to move a thousand kilos through. Can you look the other way? Yeah, sure. is easy. And people think $1,000 ain't nothing, but if you're getting $1,000 a day,

right. That's an extra three-year salary in one year. Wow. It's a lot. So you're paying the driver $1,000 to say he don't know nothing, period. All he doing is dropping a container off. Right. So the driver has to know, too.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So the driver knows he drops the container off, the container person that's watching it go, onto the ship. Yeah, he knows. Because he got to hook it on to there.

He knows how to make it disappear or whatever. Right. Yeah. Okay. Do you, I wonder, is there a mechanism to see, maybe it's that every piece of cargo leaving has to have like a proof? That's what I'm saying. I think they make it disappear in the computer.

There's so many containers on that ship. There's at least a thousand containers. Can you tell us which, ports, some of the ports that these containers are going out of? See, I just know about... There's a port in Philly, obviously. And Newark. Yeah, so when they did it in the port in Philly, they caught them motherfuckers.

I don't know, Philly what they were having that. Yeah, they busted that one. But Newark is the biggest... Yeah, Newark is Newark. Wow. Fascinating. People can make so much money if they stop taking the cars and joy ride. You can make a lot of...

money. If people smarten up and did it the way I did it, you could, because it don't stop. It don't stop. Well, what's crazy is I knew nothing about your story really, except from the guy who referred you to me to be on this show. I thought you were taking cars off the street, like stealing them for people. But you're taking all new cars. Yeah. Off the lot. Yeah, but it was, it was, it was cars coming from off the street too. But really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But how, how much compared to I was selling thousands of cars. So I wasn't even asking. They just was coming.

I sold thousands of cars. But you could tell, obviously, which ones had been driven and which ones were brand new. So what do you think the percentage was? The ratio was. It wasn't even because I think we was getting more new than off the streets. Because at a certain point, I told them to stop taking off the streets. Right. Yeah.

But I could tell you this, though, the crime rate was down. When I was in charge, the crime. rate was down. Hmm. Because it was a lot of, it was a lot of people that was about something that was doing this.

So, yeah. So when you steal a car, I mean, obviously, I feel like it's harder to steal a newer model car off the street because don't they have like tracking devices in it and all this kind of security?

They had tracking devices in it back then, but we ain't, I ain't care about none of that. I just cared about you bringing that car and I get the money. But now, obviously people report it stolen that have a tracking device, they call the cops.

They know where it is. How do you get around that? Once it's in that container, the container too thick. Okay, so the cops could theoretically trace the car from where it was stolen all the way to the port? No. Once it's in that container, there's nothing you could do about it. So the idea is to get it from the point where you stole it into the container as fast as fucking possible. As fast as you can.

Or we had somebody that was knocking the jacks off. So I wouldn't take nothing with OnStar on it because OnStar worked like that. Okay. Yeah. But if it was in demand, I would have to take it with the OnStar, but we would hurry up and get it off or get it in a container. What was an average time? If you steal a car with OnStar in it, how much time do you have to get it from the lot or the street into that container? So if it's coming from a dealership, you got time because they're not even going to see it's going or they're not.

not going to report it for a while because nine times out of ten, they wanted to go. Because like I said, they're going to make their money. They wasn't crying. I mean, they say they lost, but you got insurance. And if you don't get the car back, you know the insurance is going to pay for it. Right. So, yeah. Huh.

So that wasn't really an issue, the trackers. No, there wasn't no issue. Huh. And so you have an expert who's finding the jacks? Yeah, and just pop them off. Wow. Yeah. Or you just reach up under the end.

disconnect the cable. Yeah. Yeah. Huh. And was there a car that was driven already? Did that fetch a lower price? Yeah, but if they really wanted it, no, I would still get, if it's a business or something, I would still get the same amount.

That's if they really wanted it. Were you doing this whole, all these years you were doing this? Did you still have to go steal the cars yourself sometimes? Or did you get to a level where it was just all your workers? And all you had to do was facilitate the movement. No, so the only times that I would have to go is when my higher people were locked up. I didn't deal with the younger people going out with them. I go out.

If I was going out, I would go with the older people. I see. Yeah. So it sounds like your workers got caught. A lot of your workers got caught. No, because they could go away for a violation or something like that. Like it wasn't just them getting caught with a car. or nothing.

Yeah. Yeah. So they probably had other stuff going on, even if it was some domestic violence or something, you know, driving without the license and they're on parole because half of the people probably was on parole. Sure. So, you catch a charge.

You catch a charge. How would you go in there? Because you're, you look sketchy. No offense. I would never, ever let you test drive a car without me. The same way they did. Just. Yep.

The key. Yeah. But I got, I know how to. talk though. So even if even if I came in there the way that I am I can talk you may you a person may think oh here come on hood nigger. No I'm going to talk you know where this wouldn't work the hood like a hood car dealership would be like get the fuck out of here you know what I mean? Yeah but especially nowadays like you know people in a fancy Land Rover dealerships even they they don't want to appear like racist or, you know, discriminatory.

But you got to understand they started when like rappers and stuff. So they want to get that. They want to get that money. So they sometimes don't even judge a book by their cover. Right. Yeah. So you just got to come in there the right way. And then I had money, so I come in there with money, you know.

If I got to talk, I got to talk. But my pockets would be like that. So, you know. Would you walk in there flashing cash? Sometimes, yeah. Or I would just go in and I'd be on the phone or I'd be on a speaker phone. I'd be like, yo, just follow my lead and just talk. Wow.

So you set it up like you're talking to your agent and here's a Louie bag and a bunch of hundreds in there? Yeah. So recently I was just with my, I'm going to show you a video of it when we get off in here. I was with my grandmom in the car lot in the dealership like Bentley's Lambeaus and Ferraris. and I got it on record that show you that it can happen. So you could go in there with your grandma and talk your way into getting a key?

I sat her right there and she talked to the people while I was all around it. But I was going to buy. I wasn't going to steal, but it's just that... But you were showing that you could have stolen a car just by talking them out of a key. It's just that easy.

So this is like disguise and acting mixed with balls. That sounds like the key. to get the key. If they're going to do it, if they're going to give it to you, if they're going to do it, then that's just they bad. It's just so on them. What's some other creative ways that your people, your high level workers would get cars? So one of them one time, he put on a trench coat, right? But this when the car lot was closed. And so my other homie was trying to push him through the window, he got the trench coat on because they knew what a key one.

room was at. So he wanted to get the key room. So he on a lot like he's one of the after workers or whatever. And he on there with a trench coat. And he's in there and he gets the keys and he gets the cars. Oh, so sometimes you just break in to the key room after after hours. Yeah. If you, if you that's what, that's what he did. I didn't recommend that. I never recommend it going too far. I just recommend it if you can get the key, then we can get the car. Yeah. So it doesn't sound like you ever had a problem fulfilling these words. I never had a problem. Wow.

I never had a problem. And except for the one time I got chased, I never had a problem. I mean, somebody paid me with counterfeit money before, but I turned around and I got all the money back. But no, I ran it too good. I ran it like it was a Fortune 500 company. Wow. I ran it good. And you could tell I ran it good because I did it for seven years before they even caught me.

Yeah. So how much money were you making at your height? at my height. So all together, I could say that I made about $6 million altogether. And that's good for, you know, for that. How much the value of the cars you stole? The value? The total value must have been hundreds of millions. So, so the total value are the ones from, the total value from March to October was $2.3 million. And that was just for March October that one year that they were on to you. 2.3. And that's just the ones

that they caught. Right. See, the people don't know that is other cars that they didn't even catch. I could look and see what cars was caught. So that was 2.3 million. So I had to it had to be over $150 million. In 8, I mean, in 14 years.

It probably was more than that. But I'm just easily. Yeah, I'm just estimating. Easily. Okay. So how did you catch your first bid? Like the first time, so you go through, you regrouped in 2010, started recruiting a new team. Yeah.

How did that, how was that different? And then how long did you go like that? All right. So when I got back in in 2010, I recruited, how many people did I recruit? I probably recruited like five people. So I'm still making the money now. Everything is good. And then it was some, people was doing like the tax fraud and stuff.

Tax fraud? Yeah. So I did the tax fraud, right? The tax fraud. Yeah, the tax fraud. And I got burnt out of $50,000. I had to pay back all these people. $50,000 worth of people because I had used their kids and shit.

So I didn't want to, I just stuck to the cars. It was some other shit I could have did, but I just stuck to the cars. I'm like, fuck that. I'm going to just stick to the cars. So now I'm back in the game and then I get robbed for a million dollars. Okay, how'd that happen? I had the money in the house and a safe. So I goes to, I forget where I went, Walmart or something, and I get this big ass safe.

And me and my girlfriend, I have a truck, I had a ram truck, a big white, dumb ram truck. I put the safe on the back of the damn truck and I takes it because I think don't nobody know where I live at. I put the safe in the house. I put the money in it and all that. So a few days later, I'm going to go out. So I'm going out. I think it was like Sofu Wednesday or something. So I go out, somebody had to have been watching me, and it had to be somebody I know,

because nobody really knew where I lived there. Now that's, well, anyway. So I'm in the car and shit, and I'm taking pictures in the car. So whoever it was had to have been watching me, and they didn't want to hurt me or do nothing to me. So they just waited until I left. So I leaves, and I go to the party. and the whole time I'm in the party, everything is just fuzzy to me.

It's like a movie. Like, everything is blurry and I'm like, I got to go home. I got to go home. So I'm like, I tell everybody, I'm like, I'm going home. I go home and my door open. I panic. I call the cops on myself.

I panic. I don't know why. And they come and they go in there, you know, guns drawn and all that. And the safe is gone. So I tell, I'm sorry. So I'm thinking I'm a civilian now. I'm thinking I'm like I'm a rapper and it was a million dollars in the safe.

And the light bulbs went up over their head and I fucked myself up because they took me and my girlfriend down. They took our fingerprints. Now I'm hot because I don't told the cops that I had a million dollars cash in the house. So I goes back when they take it down there. I'm like, no, no, no, no. It was $50,000. They like, no, my motherfucker. You already told us what it was.

But the whole time, I think the cops found who it was that did it, and they found the money because, like, a year later, the FBI bought me downtown, and they put me in his room, and they showed me pictures of everybody I knew. Wow. Everybody I knew, and they asked me what type of bags was the money in and what type of this. And I seen everybody I knew, but I ain't, I'm like, man, I don't know none of them. So it was definitely somebody from your team who wrote it. Yeah, it was somebody in one of them pitches.

It was somebody in, and they knew it because they was watching people. So they set up this thing that they had, right? And they was letting people, something like that. They was letting people breaking people houses, but they was watching them. The cops was watching them. So I don't know if I was a part of it. One of them that they was watching, I don't know. But they definitely showed me the pitches.

And they thought that I was going to be mad. And they thought that I was going to start working for them to tell on drug dealers. And I'm like, no, I'm like, I told him, I swear to God. I was like, I ain't worried about that. I make a million dollars back next week. So somebody from overseas sent me $100,000 and I had gave one of my homies some money. And then I told him I was out. I told him I wasn't going to do it no more. And then they called me. This is the whole timeline. Somebody called me and he was like, yo, if you don't do this, we're going to kill you. That's how bad they needed it. And it wasn't nobody else doing it. And I'm like, no,

I'm out. I'm out. And if you don't come back, then we're going to send somebody to kill you. Did you believe that these African groups had that kind of juice? Yeah, because money brings you. Yeah, they had that money. But I wasn't scared, though. I'm like, I'm like, I died. Did you start carrying a gun?

No. I ain't never, I ain't, I, I ain't, I, I, I, I, I never carried a gun. So now you're hot. This is kind of what gets you on the radar. Yeah. With the feds and with the cops. Do the feds have a division like, This is a crazy grand theft auto kind of shit.

No, they didn't. They made a special unit, auto theft unit, right? But the feds never came into the auto theft. They never did, but they was like in the background. So it was the Homeland Security. Those are fed of it. Yeah, that's feds too. But yeah, since it was the port and shit,

they was Homeland Security. So, yeah, they was in the mix. Okay. But it never was, it never was the FBI just there, except for when they brought me in about that money when they went, when I, the million dollars. Right. Yeah.

So it was never no FBI in the, yeah, kicked my door open and it was all state police. Right, right. Working in conjunction with Homeland Security probably, right? Okay, so how did, how did they start building that case? Tell us about how those new workers kind of like made it hot. So somebody hit me. up on the platform and they just was like, yo, I got this Porsche. And I'm like, all right. And I'm

thinking, you know, I'm playing a cool. I know I'm, you know what I mean? So I gets the Porsche, I sells the Porsche. But the whole time, it had to be somebody setting me up. So I goes and I get a, they bring in me all these cars. They bringing me, so this had to be the 51 cars. They bringing me car after car after car. And I'm selling them. I'm selling them. But not to the police though, I'm selling them to my buyers. The cops didn't care about the money. They cared about the cars and where the cars was going to the port. So one night I had a deal.

I had just sold two cars, I think, so I had $30,000 on me. So I had a deal for a Q7, an Audi Q7. So I goes up to the mall. I got my homie with me and we all go up to the mall. And he's like, yo, I don't think this is a good idea. Don't go to the mall because this is usually where they bus people at. And I'm like, no, man, I want this money. I'm trying to make a hundred grand by, you know, a couple days.

So goes up to the mall and he's like, man, something don't look right. We park across the street so I could see everything. He like, something don't look right. So me and one of my other homies, get out the car, we go over to the mall. I see the car and I see the other person that I'm, that I'm brokering the deal for. So we get, and me and my friend start, arguing about the price in the middle of the parking lot and the cops got this shit on camera the whole time they they got us is a recording so when when we

going over there the cell car all these cops just come from nowhere they just run down run down on its but the thing was it was two buses going on at night so it was a drug bus and it was our bus but they weren't trying to bus us they was just trying to see where the cars was gone but it still was a lot of them in there watching. They had a plane. They didn't have no helicopter. They had a plane, but the one that don't be making no noise,

like a little plane with the twin engine or some shit. They had that because they was going to follow the car to New York because it was a port. I guess it was a port out there or whatever the fuck that the car was going. But somehow they knew where it was going because I was being set up. So they knew. So they had the plane to follow the car. So they jump out and they grab us and they grabbed me and I got all the money on me. But they didn't take it.

the money. They just got my ID and then they started arguing with each other on the parking lot, the cops, because Sheltonham police and I think Bucks County Police, they ran into each other and it was kind of like an argument because the drug deal, I guess they fucked up they drug deal. So they got my ID and they got my address and that's how they came and got me. Okay, so you did time for that? No, the 30 days. Okay. And what was that charge? That was just like a receiving stolen property. Wow. But for the 51 cars.

I had got criminal organization. I had got a lot of shit, but my lawyer was getting them dropped, though. Okay, so you were getting set up the whole time, these stolen cars you were taking off of these guys who were selling it to you. Yeah, I was getting set up the whole time. Wow. And you only got 30 days for that? It wasn't, it was just receiving stolen property. I went to jail.

I kept telling them to send me to jail. I said, I take everything. Just send me to jail. I don't have no criminal record. I didn't have no criminal record. I just was, you know. I'm surprised they weren't following you and making this a bigger case.

Like, you know, following you, selling it to your buyers. So this is the thing. Everybody got to understand. Wasn't nobody's being dropped. Wasn't nobody getting hit upside to head. Wasn't no carjackings. So it's basically receiving stolen property.

Yeah, it's terrible police work, though. because obviously this guy If they would have watched If they would have watched A little bit longer They would have found So that didn't lead up to your people Your buyers

No Like you didn't lead them to your cadet No I know That's wild No No Yeah it's retarded No

But you're lucky though Yeah Because that could have been a way bigger A way bigger case But that's why I say You gotta be smart You got to learn What did you

You know people are gonna think you're lying You know that right? But it was on the news. It's the crazy part. They do, but after this, I'm going to show you my phone and show you that I'm not lying. I'm 100% telling the truth about all this.

I'm 100% ask the cops to get to show you. I'm not going to ask you. Well, I mean, well, you know, to show you the recording of us on a parking lot. It's people that's still out here, but I don't say people names.

I don't, because if they're not telling the story, then they want to live a regular life. So I don't, I don't pit nobody in nothing because they got stuff going on and I don't want them to be at work and somebody be like, oh, you a car, you know? Yeah. So I don't, anything I say, I'm telling my part of the story. Yeah, we get that. Yeah. I'm saying they're not going to believe you're part of the story. Yeah. But it's crazy. I'm, I'm 100% telling every, I'm telling the truth. I turn around and I did it for another seven years. I did. So you did a month off of 51 stolen cars. You want to throw them cars.

What year was that? That was 2000. I think I went down in 2012. Okay. Yeah. Got it. And then you did it for another seven years after you got out? Another seven years.

Got it. They came back and they was asking me to run again. Right. It's a hell of a story. That's why I don't know why they won't make it, but I'm telling 100% the truth. Yeah. I'm telling the truth. So you got out, you ran for seven years.

Yeah, seven years. Did business pick up? up? Like, how did it change? How did it evolve? It stayed the same because I knew what I was doing. Yeah. But I knew they was watching me, but I was one step ahead of them. I used to watch them. I used to, when they, like, when they first came and got me, I would watch them. After I knew that I was hot and I knew that they were on me, I would make them chase me around Southwest. Wow. Because if you'd be following you, seeing where you're going to go. But I would get out and I would run. I will run around. Yeah, I would run around the neighborhood. And I'd be like, oh, here they come.

Yeah. Because I'd be following you see. I'm going to go. Because I would go. I'll go following you're going to go. I'm I thought I was done. I thought it, like you say, I thought it was bigger than what it was. I didn't get indicted. It was a presentment, first of all. I didn't get indicted. Yeah.

So you just make them chase you for nothing? No, they was about to come and get me and I already knew it. So they started sending more people to like try to get me to sell a car for them and all that, yeah. So you only dealt with, you would never take anybody coming up to you

if they had stolen cars. You would figure that that was feds, that was cops. It was only your people that you took cars from. Yeah. So it was people that would send family members from, the people that was locked up would send family members to find me out on the street to try to hook me up with their people so they can make money while they're in jail.

Right. I'm telling you, man, God can strike me down. This story is 100% real. And so your value was in the fact that you had buyers. Yeah. You had the plug, which is the plugged into these groups. And he didn't want to, and they didn't want to mess with nobody. Even when they did mess with somebody else, they came back because that person would

jerk them around. Just wouldn't do good business. Yeah. Right. And Africans do good business. Yeah. They do. I mean, they're shady as fuck, but they, they are solid, usually.

Yeah. Okay. So did any one of your workers ever try to go around you to try to get the plug? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And they did. And they did, but it always came back to me.

I didn't get mad. I didn't do none of that because I already know. My work ethic is better than what theirs was. And that's how I lasted so long. I didn't care when nobody else was doing. They didn't, yeah, they didn't phase me. How many different groups do you think you worked with? How many buyers did you work with?

Over the 14 years. A lot. And it's a few that I kept the whole 14 years, even though I went to jail, even though anything that happened, they knew what it was. Yeah. Who are, um, are these all African guys? Or did you deal with any like other mafia type cats?

Any Italians? Any, anybody from like the Balkans? No, just all, all Africans. You just kept it black. Yeah, I tried to, I tried to get in with the, um, with the Chinese one time for, for like Toyotas and stuff because I wanted to sense. Yeah. So the Chinese, do you think are into it?

it too into stolen cars? Well, from what he was saying, yeah. It's, yeah. What were some of the other countries? Holland, London, England. Yeah. Obviously, African countries. Yeah.

It was, it was just a lot, man. I was bombarded with a lot. I was bombarded with a lot. Can you give us details? What? Yeah. That was the question. Yeah, that was the question.

What are the other countries? This is how you get people to think you're, this is how you get people to, believe you by giving details. See, the thing is, when I was doing it, it wasn't like I was questioning them. If you're coming from

overseas, then you're just coming from overseas. I didn't give a fuck where it was from. For real, for real. And then I'd be like, all right, where you're from? He'd say, holland, all right. I'd give you a million dollars. I'm like, all right. Or, hey, the president of whatever country that was when I sent them the F-150.

I got shit in my phone where I was trying to get a major artist from here to perform at the inauguration for the president. I have that in my phone. What country can you say? It's in my phone. It's a country in Africa. That's all I know. Yeah. It's in your phone?

Yeah. It's a country in Africa, but you don't know the name of it. It's in my phone. Hmm. I just listen. I just listen. I don't know, bro. Listen, I just make the plays, man.

I don't know if I, I keep it a buck always on this show. We'll let the people, we'll let the public decide. I mean, I have some of the most notorious, skeptical fans that listen to my show. Well, I mean, if they don't believe it, then they don't have to believe it. But I'm telling them 100% truth. I'm telling the truth. It is. It is, wow.

See, I think the thing is that people think that I was supposed to do. mad fucking years. I'm smart. I'm not going to fucking go to jail for mad years because I'm smart. And I did do all this. I'm just smart as fuck. I just know business and I do business well. Yeah. No, you do, clearly. I do business very well. Right. Yeah. So everything I'm saying is true. I don't, I don't, if somebody come to me and be like,

all right, honey, here go, $100,000. I'm from overseas. I'm not going keep questioning this nigga where you're from like i don't care where you lay your head nigga give me the money if you tell me you from africa are you from africa so that's what i go off of i don't go off doing background checks for for the people i go off what they tell me so if this is what you telling me but i guess how would you i would be thinking about like feds right like how do i know this cat's not an undercover you know what i mean i didn't give a flying fuck i'm telling you i didn't care about no cops i didn't care about none of that shit. I didn't care about it. I don't care about it till this day.

I don't give a fuck. That doesn't sound very smart. It doesn't, I mean, because I'm not doing nothing. If I was doing something, I probably still wouldn't give a fuck. But I didn't care. You're giving them stolen cars. What do you mean? You're not doing anything.

I mean, so, all right, so if I was getting, I'm talking about now, I'm not doing that. But if I was given the feds, the stolen cars and it was the feds, then I would be in jail. Well, yeah, I'm just asking, like, how do you vet, like, just like drug buyers, right? If somebody comes and says, hey, I need 20 bricks. If somebody comes to you and says, hey, I need 20 portion 9-11s. So how did you make sure, like, why wouldn't you do a background shit? I just go, you know? I think I just go off the energy, the energy that they give, that they give it.

If they seem shaky, I won't do it. But I'm going to tell you what I would do. I would take that money and don't give them nothing. Would you run off on people? I ain't have to run. run. I just take the money. Fuck, what the cops going to do? Come back and ask for the money? Right.

They not, no. So they just be like, all right, well, fuck, he then took the money. And then if I take the money and you come and get me, now I know you got a case to get me against me. So what you're going to do? You're going to come and get the money or you're going to leave me to fuck alone and just send somebody else? Would you, and I assume this is all just off referrals, right? Like one guy from a group would tell another guy. and that's how you got your business.

Yeah, so the way that I knew that it was really authentic is because I would get a call from overseas before. Right. It's not an American phone call that's calling me. It'd be 2.23. So when I see 2.23, bingo is real. Right. So, yeah, so if you bring in somebody to my face and I'm sketchy, I won't do it.

Right. I just won't do it. But if you're going to give me the money and think, there's plenty of people that I got money from that didn't, you know, that didn't pan out. But that's just your loss. Or if it was the cops, then that's they lost. You gave me the money.

And if I don't want to do it, I'm not going to do it. And then you're not going to ask for the money back. So you just say like, hey, we couldn't get the cars? I won't answer the phone. You got to come find me. But yet you were known as the one that did good business? Yeah. even though you would run off and not come back with the cars?

If you're the sketchy, if you're the sketchy one and I know, yeah. You got to be sketchy though. But like I'm saying, if I know, like I knew that one dude was working for the FBI. And like I said, I didn't care because I knew he wasn't going to get me up. There's people out here right now that's working for the police, but they won't give certain people up, especially if they're doing good business with them. Right. And this is what I did all the time. I'm all.

Yeah, so that African guy you were giving cards to, you think he was also an informant. You knew that, actually. He was, yeah. Because I was having a block party one time, and he came, and the cops came with him. They was out there watching. I knew, I knew it.

Wow. That's wild. Everything is 100% true. Yeah, it's, is, is wow, is wow. Did you, and your people that you were supplying cars to, did they ever get knocked off? Did they ever fall off? Like, you know, because you had to have buyers that would come in and out. Like, did you hear, I mean, yeah, it doesn't sound like a lot of them were getting knocked.

But clearly this guy that worked for the feds was. Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, people was getting locked up out in New York and stuff like that. But they ain't anything to do with me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They have to catch you red-handed.

And what they said to me was we couldn't get you. I always stayed in the car when I did my deals. I always behind tent. So even if you was coming to meet me, you would get in the car and you would give me the money and you would get out. The only reason why I got caught is because somebody set me up. If nobody set me up, I would have still been fine. Okay, so tell us about that when you got set up for the final time. I guess you went.

So the final time was me and my homie, and I'm going to say the girl name, Audi, is the girl from Philly. We went to, and she followed me on Instagram. We went to Maryland. This all the setup. We went to Maryland, and I had to pick up, I think, like 45. I'm not sure how much it was, but we went to Maryland. And the next day we came back, she was there. Next day we came back, I had a deal for a, um,

white x5 right so they brings the x5 and i'm in a car and my homie's around the corner and he the dude gets out the car he comes and get in my car and i give him the money and then i go take him somewhere and drop them off i never get out the car but the car got a fucking tracker on it so i never get out the car and they let me go and everything and when they when they took the car around the corner to pit it in the container, the cops busted it. So that was the, that was, yeah, that was. That was you getting caught red-handed.

Were they following, the cops just got alerted to the tracker? No, they put the tracker in the car. It was a setup. Just like the Audi, um, Q7 was a setup in the mall. They was there. They was waiting. They was watching. But that was that feds or was that local Maryland?

It was local. No, I picked the money up from Maryland. Oh, okay. Yeah, not the car. I picked the money up from Maryland. before the setup. So the whole time I was being set up like, all right, when we're going to do this with the car and all that and that day. Got it. So when they came and took the car around to the container that was on 61st and Cemetery Avenue, the cops got the container. And that's, that's,

that was my downfall right there. Okay. So they swarmed you, they arrested you? No, no, no, no, they didn't swarm me. They didn't do, they didn't do nothing. They still. it was built in the case. Okay. But then after, after I said, when I said that I took the, that me and the guy switched cars, and I think they pissed something in it, they took that car.

And a few days later, they came to my house. And they said, hey, you know what we here for? And I said, no. I said, yeah, y'all took my car the other day. And he said, no, it's deeper than that. And then he was like, we're not going to take you because you got you. I had my son. I said, he said, you want to talk?

I said, no. He said, well, here go my card. So I got the card and I gave it. to my lawyer and made my lawyer call and see what they was talking about. And then that's when he told me. Then I went to my lawyer office and I told my lawyer the whole story. He called his colleagues in the room. Just like you probably don't believe it, they was like, what the fuck? And I'm like, yeah. And I asked my lawyer, I said, hey, is it any way you can hide a million dollars for me? And he said, no, because it's not a legitimate. He says, it legal? I said, no. So he, you know what I mean? Okay, but how did you get busted?

with their car that the last car the cops came they came back to my house they came back to my house but this time they came back to lock me to fuck up I see yeah so they had the key and they opened the door they knocked on the door

and then I'm like yo who is it it was like six in the morning and then they had they opened the door and they came in and took me to jail and so you just got charged without one car no I got to keep it real I'm gonna keep it real I didn't even never read the paper

I just read how many cars I got took with I didn't read I read I read I read how many cars I got I got took I got um hit for and I read about the night in the um with the cute with the Audi Q7 that the night of that setup that's what I read about all that other shit I ain't give a fuck about how many cars total was 50 51 or 52 okay yeah gotcha gotcha okay and that was 2019 no that was 2012 okay okay so your timelines are all fucking up. No, you said, you said, when did I get locked up? That's 2012. Right, right. Okay, so, yeah, I see. So, and you did a month for that? Yeah, I was in there for 30 days. Okay. And I got, and I got out. 51 cars. Yeah. What was the charge? What was, what were the charges? I had, I had a slew of charges. I had, I had organized crime. I had possession of a motor, storm, motor vehicle, whatever fuck it was. I had receiving stolen property. I had, I think I had conspiracy. I'm not sure what it, what it was.

I tell you the truth, man, I didn't even give a fuck. I'm like, so how did you, what I was asking about, though, is the end when you got out and you started back up and you ran for another seven years. How did that end? I just said I don't want to do it no more. You just got out of the game. Yeah, I wanted to sell, yeah, all right, yeah,

I wanted to sell my story. So I woke up one morning, I said, damn, I got a crazy story. wrote a book, but I just never put the book out. I wrote a book. I just never pitted out. And then I just was like, hey, I'm a, and ABC, ABC signature wrote a script about my life. So if anybody didn't believe it, they wouldn't have wrote no script about my life.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. They wrote a script about my life story. They wrote the pilot script in 2021, 2021. But then the writers went on strike. So we didn't sell it to a network. But I got paid. Why did you decide to get out?

I just was tired. Yeah. Yeah, I was tired. Yeah. It just was, I mean, nothing changed. I just was tired. Yeah. My best friend just died.

I think that's what really, I ain't had nobody else. And I'm by myself. I'm always by myself. That was the only person I was with. And that's the only person I could call. you know yeah no it makes sense that makes sense yeah it's in your it's so long it's so I mean living in the shadows like that yeah it wears wears on you yeah I get that I get that and I

used to be so paranoid so yeah yeah so now I just I just be by myself did uh when you decided to get out of the game did you tell anybody do like did you tell your people that were stealing cars for you did you sell the connects like how did that I ain't saw the connects I just got out. People still hit me up to this day. That's crazy. I can show you, I can open my inbox right now

and show you mad people saying, yo, because they know. So that's why I don't understand how people say or think that it's fake when the news told them what I was doing. Like the shit came on the news. I could show you the article in Sierra Leone paper.

So I don't... We'll put it up. We'll put it up in the episode. Yeah. It's all good. Yeah. That's crazy. That's really, that's remarkable.

So do you think you made more money the last half of your career? No, no, no, no. No, the first half, the last half I just was, it was just like fun to me. It just was like, catch me if you can. I'm, I was just taking anything. And I'm just like, all right, fuck it. That's when the diamonds and shit came in, though, the next part. Right.

The last deal I had was, and I got it in my phone. The last deal I had was the diamonds and the excavator. That was the best deal I had. So you stole them an excavator. Where do you find? I mean, I guess it's easy to find it. You go to like a heavy machinery. You ain't even got to do that.

You could walk by and you see a motherfucker on a job site. They need a keys sometimes. Right. It is. Everything that everybody think is so hard is easy. But I guess that's how people get caught because they think too much about it. it. I just planned it out and I'm like, all right, this is what I'm going to do.

That's what I'm going to do. I sold drugs. I ain't never get busted for, you know, so. Now, do the Africans, they threaten to hit you, one of the groups threatened to kill you if you got out of the game? Yeah. Yeah, did you just ignore that?

So, you watch your back? Yeah, I did. I watched my back, but then they called again and this is how they got me back. in the game. He said, God honest truth, he said my sister got kidnapped over there in Africa, somewhere over there, and the people

want three range rovers. And they know how my heart is, so I did it. I got it. But when I did that, he bought me a range rover. Okay. Yeah, and then I was back in the game. Fuck. I got you back in the game, bro. And then that's when I got took down. Right after

that, I got took down. Okay. Yeah. But when you decided to get out, When I decided to get out, out, I was out. Okay. Did you let them know? They still call. Yeah. See if you, trying to test you a little bit.

Yeah, they still call. I get calls. I get, I get, I get, yo, we got a million dollars for you. Yo, we got this for you. How do you turn that away? Like, how do you, you know? Because you haven't had any consequences, basically, for all of these years. Like, what do you do now to, like, you know, make a living?

and yeah, like how do you turn away a million dollars? But they're just going to drop on you. It's easy. People be trying to give me $50,000. I just, I'm making a living. I'm fine. I'm fine. I'm fine until they put me down.

I'm fine. Okay. All right. Well, what are you plugging, man? I know you're trying to, you know, get this script made about your life. But why come out and tell the story now? because it's nothing like it and I like for people to doubt it

so that way when it come on there be like oh shit even when you got proof it's like people still doubt it until it finally comes out even when I was posting a script I was posting that I'm in a contract with Disney people

I don't understand how people don't believe something that you can see but when they say somebody ratin or telling everybody believes that shit you know they don't believe nothing. No, the internet never believes anything.

Yeah, I don't know. Why are you coming out? So you're just trying to basically get the story made into like a piece of content. That makes sense. Yeah. Is your book dry? Do you want people to follow you on socials or anything like that? Instagram.

Follow me is skinny keen. Skinny.com. Hell yeah. Okay. Well, that was like a, we've not had an episode like this before. You know, so this is going to slap one way or another. other you know so follow skinny keem and uh we might switch over to do a bonus episode because I'm sure there's stuff I'm leaving out I don't know anything about the car stealing

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Take care, bro. Thanks, guys.