The Connect- with Johnny Mitchell - The Real Marlo Stanfield From "The Wire" Breaks His Silence

Episode Date: August 2, 2026

The real-life Marlo Stanfield sits down for his first podcast interview. In this exclusive episode, Marlo Bates — known across Baltimore as Marlo Stanfield — opens up about the story behind one of the most feared and iconic characters from HBO’s The Wire. From growing up in West Baltimore, building a powerful street organization with his twin brother Tamir, and surviving decades in prison, Marlo shares the truth behind the legend in his own words. He talks about Baltimore in the 1970s and 1980s, the heroin trade, 24-hour shops, loyalty, violence, police pressure, murder charges, wrongful convictions, learning to read in prison, and how his life changed after serving nearly 37 years. This is a rare, unfiltered conversation with the man behind the myth — covering The Wire, David Simon, Ed Burns, Baltimore street history, prison, redemption, and Marlo’s new documentary available on Amazon Prime and OG Network. Watch until the end for Marlo’s message to the next generation and his thoughts on legacy, loyalty, and life after prison. Go Support Marlo! Documentary: https://www.primevideo.com/detail/0I1PSYZXS1A0412Z0LYVAMJHTT?ref_=atv_dp_share_cu_r IG: https://www.instagram.com/themarlodocumentary This Episode Is #Sponsored By The Following: GLD! New customers get 40% Off with code MITCHELL at https://GLD.com Mood! Head to https://mood.com, find the functional gummy that matches exactly what you're looking for, and let Mood help you discover YOUR perfect mood. And don't forget to use promo code CONNECT when you check out to save 20% on your first order. Join The Patreon For Bonus Content! https://www.patreon.com/theconnectshow 00:00 Marlo's Introduction & The Real Story 03:29 Early Life in Baltimore 08:38 Jumping Into the Streets 13:00 Family Ties 15:04 This Episode Is Sponsored By GLD 16:39 The Business Begins 22:27 Expanding the Operation 31:31 Keys to Success & Street Codes 39:00 The Height of the Organization 42:36 This Episode Is Sponsored By Mood 44:09 Encounters with Law Enforcement 59:41 Trials, False Witnesses & Conviction 01:09:20 Life in Prison & Transformation 01:18:13 Parole, Legacy & Reflections 01:21:03 The Marlo Documentary & Moving Forward 01:25:55 Outro & Final Thoughts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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That's why a lot of niggas die and shit here today. Running their mouths trying to be something they're not. They called your organization the wisest and most fears. We made it 24-hour shops. We weren't selling grams and shit. We were selling $100 bags. We were selling $70 bags. And we were selling $50 bags.

We had shit. It was three years later when they arrested me. And I had about 30 motherfuckednessy to see me kill these people. Today, you were about to meet the real Marlow Stanfield. The man whose life the iconic character from HBO's hit series The Wire is based on. Marlowe Bates Stanfield is one of Baltimore's most infamous, iconic gangsters. Together with his twin brother, Tamir Stanfield, Marlowe ran one of the most profitable heroin operations in the history of Baltimore.

He had spots jumping 24 hours a day all over the city, from the projects on the west side to the abandoned tenements on the south side, raking in millions and millions of dollars a week. True to the character in the wire, the real Marlowe was also known as a killer and was implicated in a number of homicides from the late 70s to the mid-1980s. One of the cops chasing Marlowe during this period was Ed Burns, a Baltimore city homicide detective, and David Simon, a crime reporter for the Baltimore Sun who embedded with Baltimore PD during their quest to take down the Stanfield crew.

And unsurprisingly, the real Marlowe Stanfield was never consulted with or compensated by HBO for the use of his life rights. In 1984, Marlowe was convicted of a double homicide based on the corrupt testimony of a since disgraced forensic expert and was given two life sentences. In 2022, after 3,000, 37 years in prison, he was finally granted parole. This is his very first podcast appearance.

For more in-depth detail about Marlowe's life and the efforts by the city of Baltimore to take him down, you have to check out his new documentary, Marlowe, available right now on Amazon Prime. I'll put a link to that below. What an honor it was sitting down with the man behind the most terrifying, fascinating character in television history. It's the real Marlowe Stanfield right here on The Connect with Johnny Mitchell. Dude, it's great meeting you, man. Same here, man. I heard a lot about you, Johnny.

I've heard a lot about you, Marlowe. I've been knowing a lot about you for many years. Many fans of the show The Wire were mesmerized by your character. you're not Marlowe Stanfield, you're Marlowe Bates. No, see, he doesn't catch you that. My real name is Marlowe Beeks, but anybody called me Marl Stanfield behind the fact. We all had the same mother, but I'm the only one had a different father at the time.

So as an age of nine, they even called me Marlostanfield every sense. Right, okay. Even the police. Right, right. So basically Marlost Bates-Stanfield is effectively how it is. Yeah. You're from West Baltimore? Yeah.

Wow. What was coming up like? Well, coming up like Fas, which way do you talk about coming up far as being a kid or coming up? Yeah, home life. Well, everything was all right, you know, it was times hard, like an average person to have in the city, you know. My mother was a kind mother. She just ain't take no shit. But we had a pretty good life.

Did you have family in the game? I cared. In the game? have family in the street. Oh, that's where we all come from the street. But like uncles or anybody from that, you know, like Vietnam generation that came home and started to get on with, you know. No, no.

Okay. It was really you and your brother. Yeah. And what is going to fuck people up so much to find out is that you really were the muscle end of the operation. See, in the show, Marlowe is this big king. pin business mind, Omar, the

gay dude, he's the stick-up guy. That's what you were created. Your character was created around. Besides the gay sex part. They just threw that in there to just pour salt in the wound. I'm going to tell you this. See, I heard in the movie,

right? Because when they played the movie, I wasn't in, you know, see the movie all the way. Because they come in, every time they had played a movie, they'd send me out to jail. Oh, pretend they would show the wire? They agreed to show the wire. They sent me out the jail.

So about fifth time they agreed to play that. I said, no, y'all ain't playing that motherfucker. There ain't nobody getting that movie in here. Fuck that shit. Because they used to put it on DVD or something to get it in there. And every time they agreed to play, they sent my ass out to jail. And I got tired of that shit. So I told he was in an annex and they was going to play it again.

I said, no, they ain't playing that shit again. You know, so they ain't played. They would ship you out or send you a whole? Yeah, they would ship my ass out. No, send me out to prison. Because it was like a security risk or, or whatever? I don't know what they say it was.

They just somebody else out to jail. They don't give you no reason. Wow. So you just came home? Yeah, I just came home. Yeah. Going on four years now. How had Baltimore changed?

I mean, it's changed so much, I'm sure. You were down, what, 36 or 37 years? Well, 37. I counted drug treatment program, so that's 37 years. Okay. But I was released out of prison, 36, and went into the drug treatment program within a year.

after the 36 years I don't live for a year and they got released out of prison how is the city changed how do you feel about it does it look better than when you were out

do you feel positive about where Baltimore's headed I mean in the way of me asking that you know what I mean was it good I mean it's always been hard

trying to get ahead in life you did what I'm saying from my point of view The way I say things, it was hard for us. You know what I'm saying? And it's still hard for us. I mean, the way they got stuff in life is designed to keep us where they want to keep us. You know what I mean?

It's just to us to go ahead and get knowledge of what needed to be done the right way to get ahead in life. But people in a high place, they ain't going to let us go, but so far anyway. It's like the housing market and all that. They got red tape on the areas that they put us in, and they don't want us outside that area. you know. Yeah. So it goes, it can go a lot of ways with that.

Yeah, there's good and bad, right? Yeah. Gentrification's moved a lot of people out since your time. Yeah, and then they brought them back in. They went to,

and the city back. Right. So they moved on the black people out. It's a beautiful city. Look at this, this fixed up house we're in. You know, I want to live here.

Sure. A lot of people can live here. But a lot of people can't live because they ain't got the means to live. Right. But they got to educate themselves. Even educating yourself, you still got to go through a lot of stuff. And nationality is different from others.

So you got on in the streets. When did you jump off the porch? How old were you? About 13. 13. What year was that? I think about 13, 1974. Okay.

My birthday hadn't came yet. Huh. Huh. So what kind of hustling were you into? Selling weed. That was the motion for a little teenager back then. Yeah. My mother allowed me to sell weed in the house and shit from out the houses. She would let me sell that hard shit. I told my buddy, I said, I can't sell that dope man. My mother ain't had them off what kind of people coming to my house. Right. But she let you sell weed, though.

Yeah, my mother was a thorough mother. I ain't take no shit even. It's pretty cool, though. letting you sell them, but. I mean... You tell you kill a motherfucker and they fuck with you. That's what your mom used to tell you. That's old school.

What do you think about that? Considering what happened to you, what you got involved in and the violence you were involved in and then going away from murder, do you think that was good advice? Is that advice you would give a kid now? See, my mother said that about me

and a lot of my family members. See, she ain't like nobody try to take advantage of us. She didn't go to... She taught us how to fight and all that shit, but I ain't like Bilesa first. I ain't like that shit, but I was the only one couldn't read and shit, so I'd have had a

chip on my show any motherfuckin. Everybody else can read, and I couldn't read, and I was saying, what the fuck that's wrong with me? Crying and shit, you know what I mean? I ain't want no trouble. Do you get bullied because of that? Yeah, about my family, not outside. Can you imagine what I would have did

somebody outside played with me like that? That's why I'd never last smile I just started this shit when I came home, laughing and smiling, and joking and shit. I ain't. You did it? I was shocked by how friendly you are when I first met you. That's what trick people. So you weren't like that as a youth?

No. No. No, I got a good heart, man. They'll just hate bully motherfuckers and try to fuck over people. I mean, they go on in the world a lot, you know what I mean? And I just don't like it. So it didn't. Yeah.

People tried, then they see the other side of me. But I try to control it now, you know what I mean? Right. Okay, so you're selling weed. You can't read. You feel like an outsider, right? You're self-conscious because you can't read, understandable. When did you start to, like, get down, squabbling and fading and stuff like that?

Squabbling and fading. What do you mean? I'm sorry, from the West Coast. fighting, fist fighting. Oh, shit. At they locked my ass in the dark closet. My sister's dog ain't locked in the dark closet and shit. For about two hours.

I was scared of the dog, then. She had me in that motherfucker, locked me in that tweet. About two hours, ain't like a lifetime in that moment. I came out and I say, fuck this shit. I ain't, I ain't that none of the motherfuck to beat me up anymore, make me do shit. So talk about family members. Hmm.

What about the streets? When did you start evolving from like a, small-time pot dealer to somebody that was robbing. Oh, I wasn't rob nobody. I never was into that shit. I told you I hate boys in all. Boys and stick up men and all that shit, you know what I mean? Because I knew I was going to be a millionaire one day.

And I ain't want no type of motherfucker around me like that because you can't trust him. It just a matter of time. They're going to turn on your ass. It all depends on how they is and stuff like that and who they is. Okay. No. So your brother Samir, how old is he? Timur is 62.

Okay. So. 63. Okay. So when you guys first started hustling together, I believe, right? How old were you then? Like I said, I was 13, so we started doing about 14, 15. We were selling shit, but we got our own shit.

He was about 22, 23 like, yeah, I mean, really getting money, money, money. Mm, okay. So you guys were Cody's. You guys were partners. Yeah. Yeah. I used to get beatings and shit for the motherfucking ass. People thought I was him and shit.

I used to get the ass with him. I used to be tongue-tied. Oh. You know, I, I, my mother would my ass with his ass. Yeah, because you guys look exactly alike. Yeah. Wow. One day, man, look, I was sick, right?

And a woman came there and said, Tremur, but she came there and said, that one, that's her. I'm right there. He hit him in the head and shit with the rock and shit. You know, I'm trying to say, no, it wasn't me. I said, ah, ah, ah. So my mom said, no, no, no, it ain't come. It's his other bro.

They look alike. And so Tremorri, it clammed out the window and ran on the roof, the big roof and shit, right? So I said, No order, come on down, Norder, come on you far. I get the beating. I take the beating for you, Norder, come on down. Because I ain't went on the fall. Because something happened to him, boy. that killed me.

You're, yeah, that was my motherfucker. Right-hand man. Right. He's still my motherfuck. My brother's. All my brothers. Yeah. Wow.

But, you know, man, don't come all the way up doing everything. So, you know, always there together. So. Even in prison. Okay. So where is he now? Is he with us? Yeah.

He just left me about, you know, before we came here, he left me. Okay. Yeah. We'll get to his story and what happened to him. I don't want to jump too far ahead. So how did you guys grow your little operation? Well, I'm saying, I'm still selling weed and Tamir were selling drugs. And then we were not hitting big.

So then my sister had a boyfriend named Peter. He was a big drug deal. And I was working for Peter. I went to work for Peter because he was paying more than what I was making, my own stuff with the weed. and shit. So we went over there. He was selling heroin. So I'm talking about, you know, a carnival look, that side, 851 look, and Poles look at the time in both areas. So you're talking about all day long. So now I'm talking about millions of dollars of motherfucking prior every two,

three days. This and those agarach. People would tell you this was, just ask people who was back in the day in the 80s. That shit was like that every day. And they were 70s and $80 joints. And half a half is like $35 a bag. Just constantly all these long lines around the block and that motherfucker all up and around the corner. Constantly.

So, but it was hard to be a heroin dealer because suppliers with good dope wouldn't just give it to anybody, right? Didn't anybody so dope like that out there. Exactly. See, a lot of people don't know. A lot of people who been down with that shit for years and know, big-time dope there was no, that a lot of dope was only come from one or two people.

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italian mafia in new york or maybe they got a a middle eastern connection right the nigerians whoopty whoop but there were actually local baltimoreans that were just wholesale that didn't have corners didn't have strips that would just get kilos and kilos and just supply silently supply guys like you. See, some people was, like I only knew about one motherfucker or two motherfuckers who was getting and getting it. But I knew the guy, Peter was getting it, getting it to other guys. You know, whoever they were putting their money with him or whatever

and all that, I ain't getting it to that. I let them tell their own stories. Because I know who are all, you know, coming up like it. That's why I would never say where he was getting his shit from. That's his shit. But when we was up there getting our own shit, when Peter passed away, years later, we was getting our own shit. We were getting out of shit straight from Africa.

Our ship was coming from Africa. Wow. And remind you, I already say on the wire, you they were talking about shit about the port. Well, my father was the number one crane operator down the port. So I'm going to leave that alone. So now y'all have been put what you want to put, well, later down somewhere,

it's down our documentary. Now our documentary out on Prime and the OG network, we can go ahead and hopefully get a mini-series. and then you'll see all that how that port came about. Okay. Or I can also ask it. Was dope being moved through the ports like that coming from overseas? Well, yeah.

So I ain't going to say other people's shit, but I know where else shit came from. So that was a route. That was one of the routes. It was. Wow. That's fascinating. So a lot of people don't know that. A lot of people don't know about me, period.

See, that's why they say we was one of the wiser organizations there was and bought on the most fears. And I'm going to tell you another thing, like, and they're going to be short with this. They say, we killed this and killed this and killed that and killed this and killed that. You didn't what I'm saying? We saw a lot of doping all this, had keys, or heroin and moving this. We had the city lockdown and all this shit and running here, running ahead. But we were never charged with drugs. We were charged with murders. But they used drugs to get, to get that conviction, them convictions. You see what I'm saying? Like, they were selling drugs. They was big drug friends,

and they were doing this and doing, they were moving this kind of money and all that, they could never prove it. They say when they come down on us and shit like that, we were tipped off by somebody in that organization. Yeah, you never caught a dope case.

Well, yeah, I had a dope case when I was young. Right. I'm saying. For during that time, we was running, they never, I had caught a drug charge with Peter Dixon, you know. When I was young, when I first started with Peter Dixon. See, we was in the playground,

and shit there. It was in high rise. This was Lexon Street, Lexington Terrence, and they had us on camera. But making sure I'll tell you this, I say, this motherfucker shit don't look right. Because you know, I was a man with the gun. I said, this shit don't look right.

I see these motherfuckers come here, and then I turn this way. See these motherfuckers running around there. So before I agree to say, Peter, these motherfuckers come running. You think we're saying, so everybody was coming, like running towards me, where the way I was going, so I knew what the fuck it was.

dropped the gun and running with the crowd. So anyway, the whole time they had the cameras on us. From in the high rise, they was taking pictures. Right. Not no video camera or that shit. They was taking pictures, but I guess with the big lenses or something whatever, right? And they even had to wear it on on a bag, on a dope bag. Wow.

You know, they said, you say you wasn't something dope? So I was like, how the fucker we say we wasn't something dope? They got hand-to-hand to wear on on a bag. I don't forget, we was selling dope that the name of it was on. On. Yeah. But you never caught a big indictment. That's not what you got your life sentence for.

You're right. They were chasing you for all these murders that were happening throughout the city. So, you know, when I say that I've heard that your character from the wire was actually this guy, Omar. And probably some of the Marlow from the Wire, too. these guys were dropping a lot of bodies. You know, I know you haven't seen the show, but it was a very murderous crew. Obviously, they hyped it up for television, right? But why, you know, they're chasing you for all these bodies.

Why is that? If, you know, you're getting all this money, you know, how much of that, yeah, how much of that is fiction versus reality? Why did you have that reputation? I'll tell you this. When you got power, everybody comes for it. Everybody wants it. You know what I mean? But everybody can't hold it.

So if you can't hold on to your shit, somebody's going to take it. Somebody going to key you in, you know, they want it. Then you got the police who wants you off the street. You got the niggas of one. You've got the motherfucker. Excuse me for you use that word, niggas. I don't like using it when I'm talking to people with your color or whatever.

I've never heard that word. What does that mean? Yeah, that's what I'm trying to say. Who are these? Yeah, who are these? No, but actually when you say that, what are you referring to? Well, it's saying like, now you may be... The Jack boys?

No, yeah, when I was saying that stick up boys and all that stuff, you know what I mean? When they come, you dig ones, they come. But one time some people try that stuff and then they got caught up. You know what I mean? They ain't come back out there. Don't motherfuck them all. You know what I mean? And, you know, I go look for a motherfucker.

See, I don't need to send nobody out there. to do my work and all that I could, but I put my own work in. What kind of work? You know, people work cleaning up stores. People work at the car lots and all that other shit. But I go put in my work. You're the cleaners. You had the laundry man.

I said, the laundry man. That's what I said. You didn't say that. That's right. I was straighted out, man. I was straighted shit out. But your brother was not known for that as much, I believe, right? No, he'd been in his mind.

But he'll do what he got to do if you got to do it. But before he can do it, I'm there. So it sounds like a lot of this was just self-defense. It was you guys protecting this turf that you were working on. Oh. So we would never type, we would never type motherfucker take the van. So we hate vandist takers and shit like it or use and do use plan on people and all that. We never did that.

It always was a motherfucker that would fuck with us or fuck with somebody we love or family of stuff like that. But see, I want to say this for the record and get this straight because I want the world to know this shit. Now, we never killed nobody for nothing and shit. Like, it was somebody talking that bullshit, running their fuck him out, talking about what they're going to do or who are they going to hurt and all this shit,

and then, you know, get caught up. A tough motherfucker ain't going to act like he tough. A tough motherfucker know he tough. So he ain't got to go out there like he's bigger bad. Oh, you motherfucker, I can do that. I can do that. I killed that. You know what I mean?

They ain't going to do that. I said, I ain't killed a motherfuckers, so you know what I mean? You know what I mean? I know you said don't look at that camera, but you know what I mean. But motherfuckers go out there, they run any mouth and say in this shit that a lot of the niggas, then you're going to do shit. But one thing about me, I'm good with these, awesome with that, dain with that, know what's out there.

So I'm all over around board, motherfucker, you know what I mean? So they know I can fight sitting at night, shoot a motherfucker, and know what's out of my mother. So, you know what I mean? But a lot of people just go out there and just take advantage of people. people, man. I just don't like it, man. You know, won't you take something out for a motherfucker that we're going to get you trouble. And Baltimore was an extremely violent place back in that era, too.

I mean, like, I got friends that would stick up in and all that shit, but I'd be saying that it is because I don't want people, which is my people. I don't want to go out there sticking up and rob them because, man, your chance is real slim. Because your mother, if somebody coming there, she's going to tell where you're at. Your sister and brothers, by you tell where You had to get that motherfucker money if somebody got on their head. And if their friends need to get that fucking shit and see it coming, they're going to tell where you at. They might be the one of even kill your motherfucking head.

So you got so many enemies coming from so many places, man. The police want to kill your motherfucker's ass because you're stinging that gun and they know you got a gun on it, thinking they're going to turn it on you. So ain't no one. These days ain't no way because they got cameras every motherfucker of me. So I'm just trying to save their life. Like, you know what I mean? Because like I said, I had stick up friends and some family members, you know, me,

tried the shit, but one family, I'm going to try some shit one day. I said, listen, take that shit back up there and get that man to his motherfucking shit. We don't have that shit now, family. So he said, he's going to kill me. I said, I don't give a fuck what you going to do? You're going to take that shit back? I'm going to kill your motherfucker-in-a. You made him return it.

Yeah, he returned it. And the guy, and I told the guy, I said, listen, man, I said, only one thing I asked you. He said, what's that? Ricky Dubar's name. So I said, he said, what's that? I said, man, make sure him a cut in come back alive. I'm like, bro. He said, okay, you got that.

I said, okay. He said, tricks us for kids, you know what I mean? So he sent them back alive. But he could have killed him, though, easily. But that was somebody, him and Roy, Keystone was real close. But he did that shit to Ricky Dewball, and that was the motherfucker man, treat him like a brother. See, that's what I'm saying, high credit, that shit is. Right.

Well, it's so, it's such a paradox of Baltimore, because everybody here is so friendly, and everybody knows each other. and it seems like very neighborly and welcoming it is. But at the same time, there was so much money in the streets. It's like people are getting killed and robbing people that live in the neighborhood next door, you know? See, a lot that come from being loyal to you, man, you know, and the respect you have for another. Like I told my cousins and the family members and nephews and shit like that, man, you go stealing from a, motherfucker. Somebody get your

ass. Don't know for many of revenge you on your ass. Because you deserve what the fuck you got, because we don't do that shit. So you're taking somebody's shit, steal the man's shit and the motherfucker catch you. If they want their shit back and you talk at a rar-r-wrot shit like y'n't give it back and they tear your ass up. You're on your own. You go

stick up a motherfucker, kidnap a motherfucker, don't get any shit back if they don't accept what you got. See, I always try to make the wrong right. If a motherfucker ain't try to make that wrong right, then you're on your own. You know what I mean? You cross that cold. You crossed the motherfucking people and took them people shit. So they got the right to do what they're going to do

because I would do it to your motherfucking ass too if you did it to me. So I don't play that 50 shit because you my founding mom and all that shit. You took that man's shit and gave that man back his shit. But if you don't, he going to do what the fucking dude that I would do to your ass. So that's it. Okay, so you guys played fair. Like you guys tried to play by the codes, like the old school. Oh, we don't try.

We do. You do. Yeah, I do here today. Yeah, I'm big on. on that shit, Lordy. Like I was telling my man, you know what I mean, Baltimore Johnny, Baltimore, Carl. Carl.

And I was telling him, right, I was going to tell you, Johnny. You know, you're nephew, Johnny, man. So I was telling you about with that loyalty, when I would be saying about when people break them colds, man, you're going to get penalized for that shit. So you're, how long did it take you? You're like 13 when you start selling weed with your brother. how long did it take you to move up to like really started to control like heroin spots

like where you're really making a lot of money we had whole communities we we ain't had just a corner we had whole communities okay so you're from the west side you're from the for you're from the projects on the west side right see we was um balmoan strow street uh emmelines and all that stuff that's in west baltimore but we moved to westport i think i was nine years old So Westport is in South Baltimore. Okay. But by me being my aunt, favorite nephews, and Murphy Holmes, Lexon Terrence.

So I was at Lexa Terrence, Murphy Holmes, and Westport. So I'm back forward. That's probably where I missed out in school when she because I'd never done in school that motherfucker much. I'm hooked out, lost out on the farthest. We wouldn't make the word itself. So that's what probably was because I ain't no shit. I couldn't read shit.

But the word, the word, the. And I was like, well, the fuck does that sound like it? You know? Did you, when you were starting to make all this huge money and run the organization. Did you eventually learn to read? Oh, I don't know. I didn't know how to read until I was in prison. I was 26 years old when I started out to read. So you were like an illiterate millionaire? Yeah. Yep. That's pretty awesome. I wasn't like I was. You could count though. I count like a motherfucker. But I had other people count the money too. I could

count but I had other people. Their mother and nephew numbers used to be up all night long for days counting money. We ain't had no money machine. And so, yeah. Their hands used to be fucking black counting money. Because all the ink is coming up. And we had bags of ones. We wouldn't need, we'd get them ones to them. We wouldn't need take no ones and shit.

Yeah. Fives and ones. Yeah, they kept them off. I said ones, not fives. You know. Dynamite. You kept the fives. See, I'm another thing, too, man.

When I say we had, I'll see if y'all are paying attention. That's all. man, I ain't forget shit. You know, when I say, man, where was I at? You know, I do that a lot. Just to make sure that I'm listening? Anybody listening. If they don't say, we don't know the way we're not far off and I say,

these motherfuckers, they pay me no attention. They ain't focused. What was the key to your guys' success? Because there was a lot of people out there trying to sell drugs in the early 80s in Baltimore. How were you guys able to take over like all of these areas? Is it you had the bomb package or you guys were, or better at business? What was it?

It's like, it's, man. To me, I think it's loyalty, man. Treat the motherfucker like you want a person to treat you, man. That would win a person over all the time. You wouldn't want anybody to treat you like, shit smack you around. Don't give you no money and all that. This just treat you bad. How are you want to work for a motherfucker?

You're drawing, you're making an enemy for yourself. Because the first chance he gets, he gonna do your motherfucking ass then. So you're workers. You were good to people that were working for you. Good to people. people that worked for us or wasn't working for us. We could to everybody. Okay, so tell us where you were getting money out of. What parts of Baltimore? We had Murphy and Lexington Terrace. We had some of Parkites. See, we got a big family. It's really big now. So it ain't like

we just had the whole Baltimore. I can say we had shit in different parts of Baltimore. It ain't like we were the only ones. Other people had it too. But if they shit selling them better than I don't think so. But if we close shop or something, then they can come out with theirs and get to selling it because they're going to sell because our shit ain't out. So if we got some bad shit, you know what I mean? They ain't happened to too tough. But when we had some bad shit, you know, then people got good shit. They're going to sell this shit and they're going to make money.

So it's always a play fair shit with us. We just shut down. So other people can make money and keep the heat off us too. Right. So were you guys retail and wholesale? Like, were you giving product out to other dealers? Tamir. Timur.

Okay. See, we have, like I said, we have founding members, and friends became family members. So Tamir was hitting people off real big, and a lot of people in Baltimore thinking their people were king fans, and the whole time they was getting it from us. Here today, a lot of people don't know who these people is,

but if Tamir, see, Tamir don't like coming on shit like this. But he comes on there, and people know, they're looking at this right now, they know who they are. They know we was hitting them off. And people, right-hand man might know because, you know, somebody always with them in the house and shit, like that.

And they found him, I was there when we come in there and the shit, drop shit up. Right. But you guys, he was real low profile. That's how, like, so a dealer might have not known he was moving product that came from your brother. Yeah, the people who dealed the shit Yeah, the big man knew, but the little, you know, people I need them, they ain't know too many.

Do you think that's why you guys avoided catching, like, a big federal indictment? It's the way we was moving. You know, it's the way we was moving. Slick. Yeah, it's the way we were moving. Tell us about, like, close calls. Like, did you know you had heat on you? Like, how did you move your operation really fast?

Because we knew they was coming. We knew when they was coming. You always have somebody. man. Did you have some cops? I ain't gonna say I had those cops. We have people and places that needed to be. Downtown? And places.

You know? Some shit. Some shit you just can't say you. I don't want names, but I just want some details. Because they got family members that still in same places and stuff like it. Just like I went and set up here. That's why I say,

where people got their own connects and they had their own they can tell their own stories because I'm not going to set up here and say that what they had who they were working for and all that kind of shit

because they got signing mom and still into that shit still working. So you're saying that and they go to trace them people and take the whole goddamn organization down. There's still people

working to this day? Yeah, you got the shit don't stop, man. That's because one die or the family get old, you know, other people take over them. It's just like big corporations.

Quite sure if something matter you, you're going to go on. Your son of grants, I'm going to take that money. You ain't going to leave you to the state, did you? This podcast dies with me. I'll tell you that.

Maybe you take over. Maybe Big Baltimore Car will take over. I don't know. I'll give it to your kids, man. I don't believe. I don't believe. I don't believe in taking over something ain't mine. You know.

So were you guys, obviously the cops, not the feds, but, you know, the local pigs, they were hitting spots all the time, right? had the jump out boys. They had the, you know, they were hitting dope spots. Did you guys get your place rated a lot?

Well, they kicked in doors, you know what I mean? Down the line doors and shit like that. But it wasn't nothing because they knew they was coming. So they never got any big product. There was no big seizures or anything like that. Oh, no, man. That's why they say when the wise organization was involved in one of the most fears. I know what I'm saying?

But, you know what I mean? No, say that again, because a lot of people are not familiar with that. Yeah. They called your organization the wisest and most fears. They said it was the wise organization, it was the most wiser organization and the most fierce. You know, see, like I said, they say all this drugs. They know it. You can go to the streets.

Put it like, yes. I'm not trying to go up here, too, by the more. I was doing this. I did this. We got it to all that. Because I'm broke as a motherfucker now. I ain't got shit. So I'm back in the same fucking spotter left when I came on.

You did what I'm saying? So that's why I tell a young kid, this shit ain't worth it. A lifetime of work, gone down the drain. Well, you got your freedom. Yeah, I'm happy as a motherfucker now. Yeah, I'm happy as a motherfucker man. And I can read. Yeah.

So I like it all the time. I know how to read. I wouldn't have been on the other way. Now, did you have any, you know, the wire portrays Omar as stalking Marlowe and sticking up these guys and taking the stashes? Did that ever actually happen? Did you ever actually have any big stick up kids that were a problem for you guys? Why they fuck with me on no motherfucking street in Baltimore, man, no way else, man.

You know what I mean? That was a fucking movie. You did have Stick Up Men's in Baltimore. Ain't no question about that. And you probably did that you named Omar or something like that. But I'm telling you about me. I never met no motherfucker Omar, never ran to Omar, and Omar tried to rob me or was beefing with me.

If I had a motherfucker had a beef with me, you don't know it. It'll be in the newspaper. They will. Not me. So all that shit, you know what I mean? I respect everybody. So I ain't going to go there and say the man was a faggy. He was a whore.

He wasn't sticking up. I don't know this motherfucker. So how can I say something about the motherfucker? Me, I ain't going to never say nothing bad about my people. You know what I mean? I ain't never say nothing bad about it. I ain't going to get over there and say he's a bitch. He's a whore motherfucker.

He's a faggy. I don't know that, man. That's why people ought to keep their fucking mouth shit. That's why a lot of niggas die and shit here today. running their mouth, trying to beat something they're not, saying shit about people, the motherfuckers get mad about it, sneak up on them,

or come out of face-of-face, and do them in. When people all got to do his mind of your men, and stop acting like women and shit and going to gossip, behind the motherfucker, they're supposed to be your friend? Then, man, that don't be your friend. Bring it to him, tell him to his face.

Don't go behind his back. That's woman's shit. I come home, man, I see so much of this shit. I'm like, man, come on, man, for real. And you said, that's your man? Right there, I can't trust this, my motherfucker. I mean, I ain't knowing up anyway. I don't live that life no more, but I wouldn't trust you.

Yeah, I can really see, I can, I'm picturing you back in the day just from interacting with you. And I can see it. See what? You were a gangster, bro. I'm just, okay. Yeah. I just believe in what I believe in. That's in anything.

I'm a stand up for what I believe in. Looking back, what year do you think? was the height of your organization? The highest of getting money? Getting money, running like clockwork. Getting money. I see this. We made a 24-hour shops, selling hundreds,

rolling down $100 bags. We were selling $100 bags. We weren't selling grams and shit. We were selling $100 bags. We sold $70 bags, and we were selling $50 bags. And it had a few $25s. So we opened up shops in different ways. We had shit locked down.

24 hours. 24-hour shop. 12-hour shifts? Westport, 24 hours. Then we went to 725, 24-hour shops. And then people started running 24-hour shops. People that was out people. Wow.

And so. And this is all heroin? Yeah, I said, I quit. Yeah, it was heroin and cocaine. Oh, so you guys did get into Coke? Yeah, we had Coke, pad of Coke. Then my brother, you know, he dealt with a lot of people all over. So anyway, they wanted to give us a rock.

He said, no, they got this new thing. They called rock. And he said, man, I said, listen, I don't want to hear about what the fuck they got. That's what they got. This is what we work for us. And this is what we deal with. We not fuck with that rock. He said, okay, that's my brother, Tamara.

I said, yeah, we don't know what the fuck it is. And I'm glad we didn't because it was fucking people up. So you didn't? You never sold crack. No, never sold crack. I'm glad I didn't It destroyed a lot Also dope and coke destroyed a lot of motherfuckers too

But that rot It does seem like crack was worse You know I had an argument with Carl Our friend Baltimore Carl about this Like I'm like how does crack Which is just coke You know I have a problem with it Because of the drug laws

And the excuses that the federal government Use around crack to Incarcerate a lot of Mostly black guys unfairly for a long long time. But it does seem like it destroyed the community more than heroin. Listen, man, see, there's a lot of people we don't know. There's political shit, it's real, it's real and it's strong. The point is, you never sold crack, which is kind of amazing. It's fascinating because in 85 and 86, in every major city in America, everybody is selling

crack. And you guys just stuck with powder cocaine and heroin. And that might have been part of the reason that you didn't catch a big indictment? Oh, hell no. When they were 85, 86, we went to jail in 85, they issued 5-9 millimeters out. What is that? Nine millimeters of guns. Everybody killing each other with here today. They issued all 5-9 millimeters in 1985, and they had testers.

I had one, the Army had one, and three other had some fucking shit. But anyway, they're trying to confiscate the 45s out of the... army and bringing these motherfucking 9mmeters. And they locked me up with one. But they didn't get it off me. They got it out of the car. Me and somebody else was in the car. And they searched the car.

They were so happy to get that motherfucker nine millimeter to shoot 16 times, you digger what I'm saying? And one was in the chain and 15 in the clip. So I was telling them, I'm like, whoa, man, put that motherfucker over their head. You didn't what I'm saying. He didn't even know how to work the motherfucker. I had it to tell him out of working motherfucker.

Get that shit out of the chain and shit like that. So then he was. shaking like a motherfucker, and then they took my man out the car, put us in a fucking cruiser. He still had his gun on him. So I told, turned around, so I got the gun off him, and they had a bag in a cruiser, like orange juice, cotton, and something was in the brown paper bag, and put his gun in there and shit, and stood up. I said, this motherfucker was so excited to get that gun, they didn't even check you.

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you know, I got, the time I went to court, I had about this side, they charmed me with three bodies and fucking nine millimeter. Right. But they never charged me with it because I believe

the motherfucking chief police kept that motherfucker. That's how I bet they won it because they only issue five at that time. Check the records, you'll see. Okay, so this is perfect. So around this time, you know, the mid-80s,

you're being chased by Baltimore homicide for these bodies, right, these murders. Tom Simon. David Simon. David Simon, I'm sorry. One of the co-creators of the Wire is one of the journalists, crime journalists, who is following around. He's reporting on these unsolved homicides. And you as... David Simon was running around as a news reporter, which he was.

and Edward Burns was a homicide police. Right. And Edward Burns was one of the guys chasing you. And he was the director of the wife. Right, exactly. You see what I'm saying? Yes. So, of course, they're going to know who the fuck I am,

but they act like, you know, it was a made-up story, they said. Then he said it was a real person. Then first they said it was a real person. Then they said it was a Tamara Stanfield Model B. And then they turned around and said it was a fiction story and all this shit. So I can show you, you know, not now, But of course, I ain't sure you from the beginning of that that motherfucker where they tell a story how I come in, what they're talking about, and why are they talking about it, and that you see for yourself with the documentation, you go and see who they're talking about. Right.

But this is what's so fascinating. This is history kind of coming together. So you're being chased by Baltimore PD for, tell us about these alleged homicides and then tell us how you beat them. Well, I went to court for several homicides, and Georgia Caparro was a motherfucker who was a feat. They say he had credentials, the expert, motor expert, and all this shit. Hang on, hang on.

Do me a favor. Tell me about these bodies first. Tell me, what were the circumstances of these murders? Okay, people got, folks got... No, but these are clearly murders that you were charged with. Tell us about the murders you were charged with. You beat them, but they were murders. So people want to know the details.

Okay, you talked about the ones I was charged. charged with. Yeah, and then the ones you beat and how you beat them. Well, the ones I was charged with, you know what I mean? Some they put on a step, you know, some they put on a non-processed, non-processed mean no paperwork at the time. So that's the way you don't talk about the motherfuckling murders because they still open for real. You dig what I'm saying? And the one you put, they put on a step is like for a year. And then that's up. You know, I had several murders they put on my ass and got out on bail and all that shit and recharged for again. And again, They say you don't pose a beat like that because it's double jeopardy.

But it's all in the books, they did it to me. You didn't want to say, and that's what they did. And they still are trying to do the shit, you know what I mean, until I got out. Okay, so did you take these to trial? Did you beat these in trial? Yeah, some of my beating trial, some of my beat, you know what I mean? Yeah, that I had to beat them in trial, couldn't beat them no one or else. Okay, so they, I didn't know if they had dropped the charges, you know, in the process, for lack of evidence or whatever.

They put a non-process. That's me. You know, I probably know that much paperwork, not enough proof at the time. Right. Then you got the stat for a year. They can put it on there for a year and bring it back up. You dig what I'm saying? And some murders, they act like they're still pending it, I guess.

See, one thing about the police and the state's attorney and all of them, they can put on shit anything they want to put on. Say, for instance, you got, if you lie on the stand, they're going to send your motherfucking ass to jail. But if you catch the witness lying on the stand on you, won't nothing to happen to them because it's up to the state they're going to charge them if they want to charge them. So they can put together with it. out they want to put on them off.

What were they, what were some of the tactics they were trying to use to get you? Did they have witnesses that lied on the stand? Oh yeah, they had witnesses

they had, like my brother cat eyes. They gave him, they say, we know you ain't killed these two people, but if you say your brother Molo,

then we got you home right now, today. But he said, my old was not at that party, you know, but he did 40 years at there for that shit,

and he didn't even do that shit. And they, they had a motherfucker saying the police had a motherfucker they had witness saying another motherfucker killed and pulled the mug shot and everything but they ain't, you know, they ain't want them.

They weren't my brother. So they were trying to tell him to say it was me. So the cops were effectively lying and almost fabricating evidence by trying to force people to say it was you even when they maybe didn't want to or were like, you know, he wasn't there. He didn't do it, whatever.

You had judges and everybody. You're in on that shit, man. conspired against me. You were really known downtown at this point. How many... Did you get a sense of how many homicides you were implicated in? Total, the ones they thought were you, ones you beat. Watch the documentary and they tell you all that shit.

Even the police number said it. Even the state's attorney, the motherfucking commissioner. Oh, man. Oh, watch it. You'll see. So you're on their radar. And that's an under, that's an understatement. It was.

Wow. Okay, so things are rocking. Like you guys are making millions of dollars. You're controlling half of Baltimore. You got the bomb package. Tamira is handling the business side. You're beating these murder charges they're trying to put on you. But then the two bodies, tell us about the murders that they pinned on you.

that the state and the city framed you with, essentially, that ended up putting you away? Well, before I get to the top of the ones that put me away on, back in 81, 80, 81's two people got killed in a party, right? One opposed to me from New York and one person in Baltimore, or something.

So the story is, dudes came down, went in there, and killed the two dudes, right? But then they try to say, Cat Eye, you know what I mean, know the person who came in there and did the killing. So they charged. Tell us who Cat. Cater is my brother Tony, Stanfield.

Okay. So they said that Cat Eye was in there and he did the killing. But the police know Cat I ain't do it. We know you ain't doing it. We know your brother Morrow did it. Say he did it and we'll let you go. So Cataray said my brother Moller wasn't at that party, right? And so he did 40 years in that motherfucker.

And they had for something he didn't do. And then they had to do Joe Caprero, who acted like he was a motherfucker with a ballistic man who analyzed the bulls and all that shit and helped convict him, my brother. You dig me on that phone and shit. And he wasn't even had license or none of that shit to be who he said was. He forged the papers on all that shit. And they found out he forage that shit. And what he did, it was committed suicide once they found out he was a fraud.

He sent 5,000 motherfuckers to prison and they let him get his pension before he. he killed herself. So this, this fraudulent forensics expert put away thousands of innocent dudes with sketchy, sketchy evidence. And your

brother was one of them. And he just came home. Cat Eye just came home a couple of years ago. He ended up 40 years. After 40 years for two bodies that he didn't commit. Right. So, so he's already gone by the time he's already locked up. By the way, think about that loyalty.

Yeah. You know, I'm no, I didn't do them, but I'm not going to say you did it. Right. It's incredible. So he was already arrested by the time that you got arrested for your cases. In my mind, it was three years later when they arrested me. And I had about 30 motherfuckphing witnesses that seen me kill these people. It wasn't a cat out.

They seen me kill him. Right. But I had a car driver who was a witness to say I was in this cab. And the woman at the fellow station said I came to the fellow station with this car driver. and I was arguing about it because he couldn't cash a $100 bill. And I had a VHS cassette player when they first came out. So, you know, I said he wanted me to leave that in the cab, but leave my girl in the cab where I goes up in $7.25 building to get some change, you know what I mean?

And so I say, what the fuck? I look like leaving my woman in the car with you. I don't know who the fuck you is. It's a car driver. So I say, you know, you're the ones that have motherfucking change. You're a car driver. So we're arguing this shit in the car. So I say, well, look, I leave this motherfucker machine here.

Me and my girl going up there, we'd be back down. So we came back down and went to the oil station and got changed. A grape soda and a butterscotch crimpy and some fucking carton of cools or something. You didn't what I'm saying? And then the woman came in the court and said, yeah, it was me. I was arguing with the car drive, 100, you know, because he couldn't cash a hundred dollars of the car driver. I was saying that the motherfucker couldn't cash a motherfucker a hundred hours. And he had a car driver.

He should have all this shit, right? So that way I got off from beating that because they believed a car driver. The woman at the fellow station, then belied these so-called doffing motherfucklers. You know, you know, lied on me. So, add to that. So get to the point, the ones that cat out, he were locked up with that. He was still locked up. And then they came and arrested me for these motherfucking charges.

It was murder for a dude that was down 725, just where the dude got killed. That 725 in front of 725 building got shot in the head and shit. And I get it. They said, dude jumped up on the tape. with a black hoodie on and shot him in the head and stuff like it. And then they said they had witness and everything. Well, anyway, they shot him in the head and all this shit. So then they say, they said I turned around and then shot the witness in the feet

until I don't get the fuck away with here. So I'm saying, if I was the motherfucker to kill the A.S. I'm so why I'm a killer this motherfucker? Shoot this whole-ass nigger in the feet and the foot and shit, let them leave. We've a witness, right. Yeah. So anyway, so George Caput. For the record, this motherfucker was on all my motherfuckering murders.

Joe Caparo is who? Joseph Corral was a forensic man. He was on all my cases. Right. Trying to get you. Trying to get me back in the 80s. Right. All right in the 80s, like early 80s on homicides and all this shit.

This motherfuckeruck was on every piece of paper that I got. And how were they originally or like arresting you for these murders? Is it just witnesses? Well, with this one, how did they arrest you? They had line witness. They had people that came in there and said, I wasn't the motherfucker who wanted to kill them. They know the people who killed them and all that.

And they had witness saying who killed them and all. I got a police report saying who, she said, she seen the dude who killed him. She knew him, the mother of the sister where he lived at. He killed the motherfucker, looked at her in the face and ran past with the gun in the hand and all this shit. Then he gets with the homicide police say. Well, the problem with that is this on transcript of what a police report.

Well, the problem with that is we are already looking for. a suspect. We already have a suspect. And the suspect was me. They had me accustomed to the other motherfucker who she say she's seen in all this shit. So the girl who was on the mountain and shit say she's seen me kill the motherfucker and a woman then they're 100 years old with biophocles this motherfucking big, thick and size of Coca-Cola bowels back

in the day. She said she's seen me two football fills away with a goddamn gun in my hand. And that was their only witness? Yeah, the lie. The bitch who was up on the port say you know what I mean it definitely wasn't nobody she's seen the living around there was a strange dude

she's seeing him put the hoodie on his head did they have any other evidence no wow did you think and that wasn't even me

I alibi no that shit ain't want to hear that shit where were you at the time that the murder actually happened well I was at

this girl named Debbie I was fucking with this girl Debbie at the time and did you have her as a witness but did you have

did you use Debbie as like an alibi yeah I ain't want to use her you know why I don't know they're going to sound crazy because I had a white fan at the time

and I didn't post been out that motherfucker It's worth it Yeah, but man I ain't want to hurt her no more I say fuck that shit But it wouldn't a mad anyway It was already fixed for us So did you think you had action at trial

Like did your lawyers think you were going to beat it Well I knew I was going to fucking prison I say man this could the state's attorney Well I had to let me get this first Okay So at the state charge me With that murder right So I lost that murder.

And then the murder took a conspiracy to commit murder with me and the five other so-called cold defendants for a murder to have been a witness to a dude that got killed down there. That my brother to murder was in charge with the kill him a dude. So the witness poser got killed down there, you know what I mean? And the witness got killed. And this line rat motherfucker said it was, I was dead when it. I told him, I called him and say, yeah, I was there when the motherfucker got killed and all this shit. So they put me on the scene. And check it's out.

I was doing four years from buying some motherfucking bullets, right? So I was going four years up Northboro buying some bullets. My brother and them got a conspiracy commit murder, right? My brother, not Caddye, Stanfield, Tamir, and three other co-defendants, right? So, and they charged posing the charges, setting up killing their own cousin. The Post been a witness. And this shit is crazy, man. Wow.

So what happened was it went to court and shit. They was going there and herrings and everything, right? Guess what they do to me? They took me out on a motherfucker writ and brought me to Baltimore. I said, what the fuck I'm doing down here? You know what I mean?

So they put me in court and they said, who are you? I said, I'm a model base, right? So he said, Timura Stanford, I said, no, I'm not a model base. He said, what's you saying? I'm a liar?

So I say, no, son, Your Honor. He said, didn't you just leave my courtroom of $250,000, $250,000 bail? So I say, no, sir, Your Honor. He said, what you're saying? I'm lying? I say, I ain't saying you lying, Your Honor. You got the wrong one. You talk about my brother Tamura, not me.

He didn't want to get out of bail. So synagogu, right? Say, whether there is two of y'all? So they looked there, like, what the fuck? You don't probably ask no question like that. So they took me out. Judge said, take them out. Like, looking at everybody, looking at each other.

Like, take them out. I took him to the bullpen the man and said, man, you better get a lawyer. I say, get a lawyer. He said, yeah, you better get a lawyer. He took me out. Look at this shit, chill bunch of my motherfucker on. They took me out in the motherfucking bullpen.

Right, I sat down there and I'm bullpen all motherfucking day. And that's when he came back and said, man, you better get a lawyer. And they put me on a charge with my brother in them. They had herons and every motherfucking thing. They've been to court and all this. They put me right in trial with them. Wow.

I had to get the lawyer, Paul Weiss, right? Got him in that motherfucker. he represent me and shit like that. They charged me an open court, arranged me and all that shit in the open court. They ain't fingerprint me and none of that shit. They used old fingerprints and shit and got all this shit. I got all that proof.

And so then they sent me to motherfucking prison. So me and my brother, Tamir, we said in there. That's how we got the double life in 20 years. I got double life in 20 years. You got double life 45. Okay, so you were sentenced. Ultimately, through all of this, you're sentenced on the murder

and the conspiracy to commit murder with your brother. It was a state conspiracy case for a witness who got killed. That's so crazy, by the way. But check his out. Just you guys being identical twins got you roped into that.

I'm going to tell you how I got that. Look, I was locked up, right? So I was locked up from buying some bullets at the farm range. She knew who was at the farm range. Take it with your department, put it together like that back in that time. So, you know.

So you were in the first. feds for that. Yeah, I was in the farm range shooting the motherfuckers, so they said, you know, you buy my, so, well, happened, I called home, and the motherfucker FBI asked my phone. I called my wife, so the FBI asked my phone. So I ain't know it was FBI

for a white motherfucker asking my phone. What the fuck? So I hung up, I said, in my mind dialed the wrong, motherfucking number, so I dialed again. Well, no cell phones and all that shit during the time, so I was on the Apple and Pressman by the 7-11. So then I called again a white man's phone, so I say, man, which in my rap,

But I said, man, dialed my motherfucker number, man. And so he dialed the number. He said, white man is fun. What he doing that? I thought, what the fuck you think he's doing there? What the fucker? I hung up the phone, right? So I called back and hung up inside the feds.

Took me and said, uh, Maul, you just stepped into the Big Boy League. Because my wife's at times, she said, Maul, the FBI. He said, you just step into the Big Boy lead. I hung that motherfucker up and called Stein. So when I called Stein, I said, with the FBI, I looking for me. They were just at my house and all this shit, find out. So, you know, I had to call him back in two hours, right?

So he said, so I asked him what it was. So I said, sign. So what it was? He said, man, did you go to the gun range? So I said, yeah. He said, you buy some bullets? I said, yeah. He said, you sign the receipts?

I said, yeah, get to the motherfucking port, man. What the fuck going on? So he said, man, that's what they want you for. I say, if I'm buying some motherfucking bullets, man, here today, man, I felt like I was long long as the world. Most dumbest motherfucking criminals, you know what I mean? Because if I knew that, I wouldn't be buying those motherfucking bullets and sign them a motherfucking receipts.

for the bullets. That's how I got the four years. And I was hold on every since then. So you were, right, you didn't see, you didn't see daylight since then. They hit me with all these and you got re-arrested. The nightmare. So your sentence, your state sentence, which I think would shock a lot of people, they would think you, you were doing life in the feds for this huge, grand drug murder conspiracy. You actually go to the state. You got a life sentence plus 20? Yeah, double life plus 20. Double life plus 20. See, this side of shit was all fucked up. See, the fads know

that we ain't do this shit. They knew this shit was all made up shit. Because if it was so, fast would have been came on our ass. You didn't want to say it if they had something. They were just made up shit. Can I ask you this? You guys are these ballers.

You've got tons of money. Where are your $1,000 an hour lawyers? What are your lawyers doing? Man, I'm going to tell you something about that. God, damn it. I hate bad lawyers. No. These motherfuckers, they say they were working for the organization for years.

They was getting paid. We was paying them off. Every case we get the organization, get the representatives, and they could show that they was getting that motherfucker money, $10,000 every week or whatever the case may be, how many thousands a week? You know, they was getting shit. These lawyers, they say was on the payroll. So.

Wait, wait, wait. Lawyers are on a payroll, usually. So you're, you had lawyers. You mean you were paying the prosecutors? No. our lawyers that was representing us, Dave said they were representing us for years, and they was going to hit him with tax invasions

and all this shit and locked their ass up. So they came to the bullpen, literally they're crying, and they said, what's wrong? So he said, man, we can't represent you all anymore. Crying, all of them. Say, man, he said, we represent you again. They're going to lock our ass up. They ain't say lock our ass up.

They said, they're going to lock us up, man. They're going to lock us up. So I said, yeah, so I looked at Tamir, I said, man, I told you, we're done. Wow. We done. They got all this y'all already planned out. I said, man, go ahead. You know, you ain't got to represent us no more.

I told Tamir that. So he said, go ahead, man. Total lawyers, go ahead. We ain't take no lawyers down or none of that shit. He always says, man, go ahead, y'all, go ahead. So when they were talking about John Gotti, you know what I mean, respectfully, John Gotti, you know, I respect everybody. They say he, his lawyer couldn't represent him no more and all that. That's how serious he was.

Oh, man, they did that shit to us first in the 80s. Our lawyers, about three, four lawyers couldn't represent them. It was crying, literally crying in the bullpen. And the old post office came back in and said, you know, we can't represent them more. They said, we represent y'all. Man, they're going to lock our ass up, too. I said, man, go ahead. You ain't got to represent us.

We, we're going down any motherfucking way. They're taking us down. It's already sitting. And so, Tamir said, yeah. So I said, Tamara, then when I went to court, the motherfucker, the next day, did he motherfuckers. to put shit in the game. I said, yeah, I'm going down.

This fucking Wick went on Ticknet. This motherfucker, he's state's attorney at the time. He was so motherfucking good man in there performing. He had me convinced I killed the motherfucker and he killed him. That's how good he was. I said, man, when the Bovintraman was wrong. I say, man, we go into a motherfucking prison. You say, why he say that?

I say, man, wink and Ticknet. His Ticknet was so motherfucking good, man. He convinced me. I could, did the murder, and I didn't do the motherfucker. So I know what the jewelry going to think. They found my ass guilty. Off of essentially no evidence. Right.

We have one old lady. He shot him like this and all this shit. And the forensics guy? Yeah. He was there with. He was on that case. Yeah, he was shot outside with him on the case. He said that shit too, about the bulls and all that bullshit.

Was it shocking to be in the courtroom to just hear lies after lies after lies? Yeah, they had this nigga and that name, Kevin Baker. It came in there and said, fuck you, my own little bitch. I ain't scared of you. In the courtroom. I had about six policemen around me, you know what I mean?

In the courtroom and shit. And this bitch, way on the other side of the courtroom. And he said, I said, I'm going to kill him in this whole family. I say, man, what the fuck? It was telepathic communication or something all these, motherfucking. Nobody hearing me say that. And he was going to judge.

I believe he said it. So I looked at the motherfucker fucking police on there. I said, man, you hear this shit. Did you hear me saying anything? Put their head down. I was like, God damn right. I ain't say nothing to bitch. Fuck you, whore.

You know what I mean? So he was their line. He was a witness that they brought in. Yeah, with bulletproof head, wear the shit all on them and shit. So they made this a spectacle. They performed. This is like a kangaroo court.

Yeah. It's kind of like what they did with Rayful Edmonds, familiar with him out of D.C. I don't know. I'm busy. I heard of it. But they brought in like a military helicopter to bring him to court.

And, you know, they treated him like Osama bin Laden. See, I'll tell you something. See, Al Case, right? They did a lot of shit in Al case. Then they started doing the other people. And see, like, when I was down, where was that, down Supermax. They took it from Supermax and took it up North Branch. And what happened is when they took it an oil offense,

they had a motherfucker helicopter to follow my bus all the way up North Branch, cutting off the highways and all this shit. Police cars stopped on the highway and all this shit, thinking the motherfucker was going to come and get me, you know, for escape and all this shit. Right. All the way up to come in this shit. Like, it's all in the newspaper. You go look back and see it in 86, 87, something like, Rudy can tell you what year we went up there.

You were, as the Jamaican say, you were a bad mom. You were a bad motherfucker, man. No. Okay, so. I'm a good motherfucker. No, I like you a lot. No, I'm saying. I've been the good motherfucker.

They just, they see the other side. When they see the other side, they, they, they, see it in a little fucking side they never wanted to see you would have beat those charges today now you would have been convicted for other murders because they probably would have got you on camera but juries don't go for that bullshit anymore they want to see evidence because we know how much the government lies now like normal people know that they're being fucked by the man always but this was a different time with a lot more racism a lot more well we just believe the cops wouldn't lie like this.

Yep, that's what my parents would say back in the day. Check it so. Now they're all like, yeah, these they're scumbags end to end. Check it so. All the shit I was telling you about, see, I don't sit up here lying this shit. We don't do no motherfucking line. I hate a lie, motherfucker.

You do what I'm saying? Because they're always going to get caught telling a lie. Because once you know the truth, you always know the truth, you're going to keep repeating the truth. But once you lie, you got to remember that lie. The lie, the motherfuckers can't remember a lie. They're running and saying out they're doing them. Now, all this shit I got on them, I got paper where police reports

Marlowe Stanfield, aka Marlowe Beaks. Tamura Stanfield, aka Marlowe Beaks. They think we was one person. His shit and my shit. You go down to archives and pull the file. You'll see they thought we were the same person.

They scratched out Tamererer, Marlowe Stanfield, and put Marlowe Beaks. They scratched out Sanfield and put Beaks. I got the date. They did it in all that shit. So they goes to show you, they thought I was him

and he, we was one. That's why they put me in them their next opening court with them with that conspiracy ship. And they brought me down here. They issued a warrant for Tamura, Stanfield and Marlowe Beats. See?

Because it's on this paper, Tamura Stanfield, aka Marlough Beaks, but they push a warrant for Tamir and Stanfield and all obese. So they brought us down there. He was already down there.

And they brought me down there and put me right in trial with him. I got all that back and white. But I did 37 motherfucking years. years now. And your brother did how much? Can I did 40, Tamari did 38. Wow. So you guys now both have double life sentences. You're cooked. Did you think you were going to spend the rest of your life in there?

See, God, I believe, see my calling, I think my calling in life is to see other people happy. I always felt that every since I were little. I like seeing other people happy. I don't like saying people say it, right? But the motherfuckers will fuck up, I don't give a fuck. I don't feel sorry for it. I just hate them bully motherfuckers. So, you know, so my calling is saying other people have me. And I knew I was going to get back out. But I didn't know when.

But I had a feeling when it came over that I'm Greek-go home. Because I said, God wanted me to do all the things he wanted me to help people. Because if we're going to jail to jail, they kept moving with different jails and shit, putting me on ministry and all that. And then one time I asked God, you know what I mean? You know, when my mother was sick, I ask God, you know what I mean, let my mother live and shit. You know, I ain't going to do no more.

No more that shit, I'm going to do everything he wants me to do. And God say, fuck you. I ain't doing shit. I want you to feel what anybody else feel. So he let my mother die and that shit fucked me up. I was fucked up for a while. I curse God and everything, right? And then it hit me one day.

I said, I know what it is. You know, because one day I'll say, take me, take me, don't you take me? Stop taking away all of my family members. My mother died. My sister died. My sister died. My brother died. Friends was dying like a motherfucker, right?

So I said, I don't know what? Just take me, man. You know what? Don't take nobody else. Take me. So God said, no, I want you to feel what anybody else feeling. So what it is is, yeah. That's deep.

And I felt that. So, you know what I mean? So I say, fuck, I'm going to do what you want me to do and all that stuff. And, you know, I've been helping people can for people. But he wanted me had that mindset. You didn't want to be so motherfuckeringian and Rick, Rick, hurt just like that. You know what I mean? he wanted this.

Because God wanted me, he would have been having me to die off and all this shit, man, all this shit going on in life. You do you what I'm saying? But he didn't let me read and everything because he was holding this for me.

He wanted me to do his work to go out here and help our people, man, help better ourself and become as one man and strong and don't be used like it's because we're being used. And they plan the race card and with each other and all this shit. But it's the people in high places, man.

You got to just get it together. everybody got to come together man and stop hating you motherfuck stop hating each other for shit you being used how many people here like being used you like being used hmm I guess not I don't think

nobody you like being used nobody like being used so when the fuck we're going to stop being used we fall into the hand we're doing the shit they want us to do but how did you how did you so that's really deep that you you

suffering through the death of your family members, you got to feel what it was like, you know, of the family members that maybe people that you hurt back in the day, right? How did you change in prison? Like, what did you do? Obviously, there is parole in the state of Maryland. So even if you have a life sentence, you go before the parole board. I went in front of the muffled. They didn't give me shit. They wasn't going to let me go. How many times do you go to the board before? Well, they only let me go. That motherfucker about two, three times.

And the 37 years I was in there. Right. But do you feel like that? I had an accident. I ain't had a fraction, a ticket, you know, in about 30-some years. So you had a pretty good prison record at all. What were you doing in there? I stopped people from getting killed, stopped people getting raped.

I stopped people getting raped. I stopped people from, you know, anything getting bullied and shit. I got people out of games I got people you know what I mean Leave people along and shit Rise and shit come on man We ain't worried we gotta get the fuck out of here You know our people you start riding and shit

We ain't gonna get no visits We ain't gonna sell people and all this shit So you know it's the way you can do I can't know anybody do that You gotta be well loved and respected man And I give respect Did you do any time with your brother? Yeah that's what I'm both of them

I left my brother of Canada I'll tell you he'll like me in that motherfucker fucking sell together. Oh, you guys were sold up together, too? No, me and Katah. First was, man, Tamira cell buddies. We sell buddies for years and shit.

That motherfucker, he had a little brother. He under me and Katah. He thinks he runs shit. That's Tamerriere on the street, so, you know. And he thinks he runs shit. Like, he's the big brother, but he under us. You know, I listen to him, though. That's my motherfucker hard, though.

And Katah, I got in there, so Man, Tamer get the hog and shit. So I used to drink. I was an alcoholic. I was an alcoholic. So I can see that. Yeah, so I don't drink them more. He's drinks since it's 95.

So we was off south, but so Tammere used to make homemade wine for me and shit, right? So he said, man, you smell like goddamn wine and shit. So I say, what? He said, yeah, man, it's coming up your motherfucking pores. I say, man, why are you talking to me like that? He said, man, god-down, because you're just stinking, man. So I said, man, I just got out of the shire. What the fuck you're talking to me like that for?

Right? So I said, you're my motherfucker, brother. I'll fuck you up. Do we ain't little no motherfucker more? Right? And so he said, God damn, he jumped all the bunk bed. I was up on the, I'll be on the bottom. He jumped all the top, right? So, you know, I ain't going to fight my brother.

I hurt my brother. So he jumped all the time. I said, I'm tired of your shitting all over. Bang, bang the fissure radio he brought me. One of the big radio. I love that radio, too. So he ain't anybody in the jail. I had one of the motherfucker.

So he brought me that big fisher radio. And she just brought the motherfucker ago. Only had it for about three days. He hit that motherfucker boom. Buttons went every motherfucker. When I was he was myself. I said, God, that's a hard-hitting motherfucker fucking right to myself, right?

So I say, God damn, know what the water fuck you do that to my radio? Man, you just brought me that goddamn radio. He said, I'm sorry, no, although I buy you another one. I say, damn, tea? And he hugged me and shit. I said, man, I love you, man. But I was saying, this motherfucker, I took a shout on everything.

I'm drinking the motherfucking wine. He said, smelled out my paws and shit. He said, he ain't making it in no motherfucker more because I smelled that wine coming out of my pores and shit. And you got sober after that? Huh? Did you get sober after that? Hell, no.

That motherfucker made me another pot. That shit. So, but I did the app was in the cell is talking by the bump, right? So I'm sleeping this away, and he's sleeping the same way. So when I'm breathing against the wall, the shit, you know, the brown and shit come to hit the wall and going up. So he's like, what the fuck? So that's what it was. So I stepped down the other one and shit like that, right?

And so then they split out ass up. But you were, you were, because most guys with double life sentences, they go in there, assuming they're never going to get out, you know. A lot of times they, they don't cool off until much later and they, you know, there's, they get into a lot of shit, right? But you had faith that you were going to see the parole board. Like, do you feel lucky? Because most states, much less the feds, you go in there with two life sentences. You're leaving in a bag. So do you feel even though, like how do you feel you were, you really were a criminal? all due respect

a violent criminal part of a violent drug trafficking organization you go down for a murder you didn't do double life sentence but you got out that's right

but you got out so I mean there's all these there's a mix of emotions you must be feeling but overall do you feel like you won? No it's like it's with me I don't look at it like that

you're gonna say I look at it like this it's high beings You know, like people call it God or whatever the case may be. You know what I mean? I was only doing what I was guided to do. You didn't what I said? I wasn't put here to be seeing all the things I've seen in life coming up,

being treated the way I was as a kid and all this shit, couldn't read and everything, and everybody else could read. So I felt, though, I was special in the way that God wanted me to be or the high power, who I allowed, whoever the case may be, you know, being made me the way he made me. You did what I'm saying? I always got a good heart, always had a good heart, still got a good heart. And I was chosen to do this.

Like I said, if he wanted me gone, he could have been took me away. He wanted me here to do his work, and that is, to help other people. You did what I'm saying? I'm going to keep being me, and I don't feel sorry or regret being anybody else. You know, I'm not that person. I'm going to be me. If I wasn't doing the things I did to be where I'm at here today, I wouldn't be me. So I wouldn't change anything.

I can't change it. I ain't know how I being with changing nothing. I know what I didn't like doing anymore, so I chose not to do because I have the know-hows now and what to do and what not to do. I'm conscious of what I do and what not to do. So I'm not going to set up here and do anything wrong. I was thinking

I was defending myself and defending what belongs to me. And you then was saying this to people who belongs to me on the street now and I'm going to be there for them and I'm going to defend them who I care about, who I think, I love all people, but I love my people more

because they need more help to the average person. Do you feel some kind of way that your likeness, you know, who you are, your story was used to create one of the most iconic television shows of all time

and you weren't asked for permission, you weren't paid for it? Like, I don't know, how do you feel? But also you're kind of a legend in this city and your name is a legend and, you know, for a generation like mine that grew up on that show. Molo. Like, that's a

that's a brand. You have a brand. So how do you feel about all that? The show and your legacy. Like me, it's, I don't feel no kind of way or nothing like it. I respect everybody for feeling the way they do and some people ain't going to feel the way that I do the way a lot of people feel. You guys, some people

might say, fuck that, a nigga, he didn't kill all the people and all this shit. But a lot of people don't know me. They don't know what I did. They're going about with their head. But once they get to meet me there, see, I'm not the person who they portraying me to be. But when I was coming up living that life, I did. I ain't used to laugh for none of that shit. I just thought all this shit when I came home.

I learned how to read and got this saying people talking to people and shit like that, talking to bullies and telling them, man, ain't the way to be. They ain't the way to courage. Change your life before somebody kill your ass. You know what I mean? Stop taking advantage. You don't want nobody to take advantage of you. So just let this shit be, man.

You know what I mean? You're putting people down. That shit going to come on you. You're the energy. You're kicking out bad, energy bad. And then you're going to come back on you, man. You dig what I'm saying? So I just tell them a lot of people just don't know.

Until you explain it to them and have a talk to them, is the way you talk to people, man. And the way you treat people. I go by that 100%. You know, I die and go to hell with it for that. You know what I mean? I love all people, man. I just want them to do the right thing.

Yeah. That's lived well, man. So what are the next steps? You've got a whole, all these years ahead of you. What have you been doing with yourself? Well, like I said, I always been writing books, songs, players, commercial, reading cars and all that, I got all that stuff.

So me, really phrasing all, they're going to bring all that delightful. But once we start, you know, doing this, get the word out of the people to try to say these lies and everything, I want them all with Stanfield's use of initiative program to guide the children in the right way, giving them tools to work with. And I know because I couldn't read and write, getting them tools. Yeah. Yeah. First you got to let them know, you know, what they got to do the better themselves, to love

themselves, which a lot of them do not itself, but they be put in situations that you know. Well, plug the documentary that they that is basically brand new. It's out on Amazon Prime right now. Where can they find it? You know, find an OG network too.

Yeah, on OG Network, okay. And Prime. Okay, cool. It was on Prime. Yeah, we have the producers sitting in the studio with us. Yeah, Frasian, his wife, my sister. I call it my sister, but that's his wife, Frater. And I'm your what, nephew? Yeah, he's my nephew, Johnny.

You know what I mean. If you call, I don't know you're nice. John. John. John. God damn, John. I, brother Rudy here, you know. So they would appreciate a shout out.

And we're going to put a link to all that. We're going to advertise all of it. But where, what's the name of it? Where can they find it? Molo. You can find a documentary Mollo on Prime, Amazon Prime, and the OG Debt Group. It's pretty good, man. It's pretty good.

I don't hold shit back as you can see, man. I like speaking the truth. speak of my mind. I don't like putting people down. I'm not going to do that. I don't like telling other people's stories where we come from. They can tell their own stories. They can get their own money. They can get their own podcast. They do what they want to do. Write their own books and anything else. You know, I don't want to take my house glory. Last question. Are you going to watch the wire? I think you should. Yeah, but see what it is. I think you'd enjoy it. See, I've seen pieces of it, you know, pieces. Yeah. And I hear stories about it. You dig what I'm saying? And I

was an impression that he killed a god for two suckers, two fucking BB suckers. See, I usually eat BB suckers and shit. I eat little dumb-dums in season four, I think, Marlo. You call dumb-dums. I used to call BBs. You call BBs back the day. But, yeah, that's a

Did that fuck you up? Like in 2000, I think his character was introduced in like 2003 or four or something. Did that fuck you up when somebody came to you, like on the yard or whatever and say, you're not going to believe this? There's a show out there in the world. I know my buddy

About you Pettie, a dude named Pettie took and say, oh man, you're diffed and anybody else Why are you shaking their hands and shit? They ain't nobody. I said, don't you never say that, man. They're somebody to me. I don't care about that shit, man.

They're on drugs or something. They steal. They're friends of mine, man. Don't say that no more. You know, I got mad about that shit. But did it raise your status? Were you kind of a celebrity in the Maryland prison system?

No, I don't say that. Well, respected. like I was well respected on the street when I was young. I mean, it's like, it's the type of person I am. You're doing what I'm saying? So me being happy, well, I thought, yeah, you know, a lot of people say they Marlowe, Stanfield and all that. Man, won't you get on the Internet and tell them they ain't Marlon Stanfield? You, Marlton, Stanfield.

I say, man, I know who I am, so I don't got to prove to nobody. If they want to be Marlowe Stanfield, they can be Marl Stanfield. I wish they would have been Marlough Stanfield 40 years ago when that goddamn courtroom. You know what I mean? I say that's a matter of respect, man. That's honor to be me. You know what I'm saying? But I don't get mad at my people about that,

want to be me and all that shit. I just say, be careful. Don't try that shit that I did, you know what I mean, years ago. You know, everybody ain't Marlo. I don't think they'll ever be another person like you. Marlowe, you are as Baltimore as it comes, man. That was an honor.

I appreciate it. You guys. Go check out Marlo. You can't forget it. Marlowe on Amazon Prime and OG Network. Okay, did you, you must have a piece of that. That must be some new shit.

OG Network. Yeah, you must be a star. Ice T. Oh, is that Ice T's Network? Yeah. Him and I. Which is over, buddy name really? Big Court.

Yeah. But see, something about ice tea, right? Years ago when he was acting and all that shit, I said I'm going to meet him one day. Oh, wow. Look at that. I said that.

I said I was going to meet Oprah. one day, Denzel Washington one day, and Holly Barry. Keep putting it out there, man. Keep putting it out there. Marlowe. And, uh, what's the, Floyd Mayweather? Got to talk to you, my brother. You know what I mean?

Big respect. You're my number one, you do what I'm saying? And I'll cheer in you on every sense still is, man. Keep, keep strong, brother. And Taint, little Taint, it's my little nephew. That knows, dude. Marlowe Stanfield. the one and only Marlowe Stanfield right here on The Connect.

Go check out Marlowe on Amazon Prime and OG Network. Well, I just, I could do this all day, man. This was a real honor. Thank you guys. We'll see you next time. Take care.