The Connect- with Johnny Mitchell - The White Crack Kingpin Who Ran An All-Black Drug Crew

Episode Date: September 13, 2026

Black Label has one of the wildest stories we’ve ever heard on The Connect. Growing up in extreme poverty in St. Petersburg, Florida, he was surrounded by crack, violence, and chaos from an early age. By 11 years old, he was already selling drugs. By his late teens, Black Label says he was helping run a multi-million-dollar drug operation, moving large quantities of crack and cocaine while leading a crew in one of the most dangerous environments imaginable. But the money came with consequences. Kidnappings, robberies, violence, federal investigations, and eventually a massive indictment brought the entire world crashing down. Black Label ultimately spent 15 years behind bars, including 28 months in solitary confinement. In this episode, Black Label takes us inside the crack era of 1990s St. Petersburg, explains how a white kid became accepted in an all-Black neighborhood and prison environment, breaks down the mentality that allowed him to survive, and reveals what finally happened when federal agents closed in. He also opens up about his brutal childhood, his relationship with his mother, the lessons he learned in prison, taking responsibility for his decisions, and how he rebuilt his life after coming home. Today, Black Label has transformed his name into a brand, building a professional chauffeur and security business while becoming a viral social media personality and host of the Black Label Lounge. His message now centers around turning “pain into purpose” and showing people that where you start doesn’t have to determine where you finish. This is the incredible story of survival, crime, prison, entrepreneurship, identity, and reinvention — told by the one and only Black Label. Go Support Black! IG: https://www.instagram.com/black_label_services YouTube: @blacklabellounge TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@blacklabel1014 Merch: https://www.stickermule.com/blacklabel1014 This Episode Is #Sponsored By The Following: PrizePicks! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/CONNECT and use code CONNECT and get $150 if you win your first $5 lineup! GLD! New customers get 40% Off with code MITCHELL at https://GLD.com Superpower! Head to https://superpower.com and use code CONNECT at checkout for $50 off your membership. Get 150+ biomarkers tested every year across two tests, plus a personalized health plan and on-demand care team. Detect early signs of 1,000+ conditions. #superpowerpod Join The Patreon For Bonus Content! https://www.patreon.com/theconnectshow 0:00 Black Label’s Incredible Story 8:18 Growing Up White in a Black Neighborhood 15:20 Survival Mentality & Pain Into Purpose 21:11 This Episode Is Sponsored By PrizePicks 22:40 The Crack Era in St. Petersburg 28:58 His First Fight & Earning Respect 36:02 Abuse at Home & Wanting Out 40:17 This Episode Is Sponsored By GLD 41:48 Education, Entrepreneurship & Black Label Services 50:33 Kidnapped for a $60,000 Ransom 56:01 Territory Wars & Street Violence 1:00:47 This Episode Is Sponsored By Superpower 1:02:17 Turning the Crack Game Into a Business 1:09:58 Crack Houses, Cookers & Supplying the City 1:16:55 Family Conflict, Identity & Prison Politics 1:23:50 Building the Black Label Brand & Going Viral 1:31:06 Moving Money & Reinvesting Drug Profits 1:37:54 Coming Home After 15 Years & Starting Over 1:45:03 Guns, Ego & Losing the Original Purpose 1:51:52 The Federal Indictment & Refusing to Cooperate 1:59:09 Surviving & Hustling in Federal Prison 2:05:54 The Underground Prison Economy 2:13:05 His Mother, Forgiveness & Unresolved Pain 2:20:43 Pain Into Purpose & Building a New Life Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

It's kidnaps involved. It's death. It's murder. It's mayhem. It might be anywhere between six to eight, maybe 11 people in one crack house. We're facilitating a large quantity of crack, a large quantity of cocaine, courage serving. You front and weight. People bring him money back.

It's just a lot of movement. We make a hand over fears. He's looking at me and I'm looking at him. He were like, black. Fucking white dude named black. Kind of chucked out. I said, yeah, but don't take that too lightly. What's it like being a white guy living in an all-black ghetto running a crew of violent, all-black crack dealers?

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right here on The Connect with Johnny Mitchell. You know who you remind me of? Brother Ali. He's a rapper from Minnesota. He's a black guy, but he's albino. He's a big husky dude, and he looks like you. That's crazy. Did you used to get discriminated against by white people

because of the way you talked, act? Really? Police hate me. Because of... Just because of the way I am created by God. This is natural. It's not fake. it is what it is.

Like, this is who I am. Police right now, like when I go live, St. Petersburg Police Department and get on my live and say slick shit. Like, say hi to Officer Dan.

Shit like that. Like, we're on your trail, but I don't do nothing for you to be on my trail. But it's just, it's the, they try to pressure you. But I don't know how much pressure you're going to give somebody

that already did 15 years in prison. Right. Well, your swag and your, and your demeanor and your mind was given by God. But you definitely talked that way because of how you grew up. Yeah, absolutely. But I'm just it's not a fake accent. This is every day.

So even if I did have a corporate job, I'd be on the phone like, yeah, thank you for calling best by customer service. How can I help you? For sure. You know what I'm saying? Well, customer service is a very black job. That could be. Could be.

Yeah, I mean, because in my mind, how we grew up is like, because we grew up worshipping like Black America. in the ghetto. Most white, authentic, rich people do. They get the culture from just what you say. Well, especially from the 90s because the culture was dominated by hip hop. Absolutely. And obviously all the movies. So, like, in my mind, I lived how you speak and act. Right. You're not the first person to tell me that. And that's why, part of the reason why I decided to go so public with it, because I could show you my DM on my phone. I have. Tons of white guys, white people, white women who say,

hey, man, I'm just like you. I came from where you came from. I talk like how you talk. My kids are in the same similar situation. My husband's in prison 15 years. He's getting ready to come home. Things in that nature. There's people who is like, I'm not an anomaly in America, that's for sure.

I can be quite a bit of a phenomenon on TikTok for those who don't travel. I can understand that. But I'm the voice for those who can't speak. I'm the voice for those who don't understand why they are the way that they are until they see me on social media. You understand what I'm saying? I think that people need to see somebody like me in the forefront to speak about what I speak about so much. The message is always paining in the purpose, but through that pain, what are we looking for? What's deep down inside of us?

When will we learn how to reach the pit of our gut and find ourselves to be adaptive in a society that tells us how to walk, how to talk, how to be social media, those 60-second clips, those 45-second clips as you see on Instagram with the girls with the purses and the fat asses that you haven't lived with them for 24 hours and six months. This may be the most memorable moment that they carried, but this is also the most memorable moment that you'll see. And then you have to go back to your bed or look in the mirror and face yourself and say, I don't know. I don't have a Chanel purse. Or I'm black, but I think I'm white. In case what you were saying, like how you lived in your mind. There's a lot of people who get shamed for just what you said. But at the same time, back then, as of now,

that was the narrative that being pushed. You know, you had all black music, had all black movies. You had all black sitcoms. It dominated the airwaves, you know what I'm saying? So I just think that it's important what you said, because people look at me and they judge me, but they don't understand.

is people like you who understand who get it. Now, although you have made came from, you know, the state of whatever. Yeah, right. You understand what I'm saying? But at the end of the day, whatever your path is, whatever God descended on you, you accepted it, and you made a path for it. And that path is what you'll be judged for, like how I'm judged for. But without clarity in that path, you understand what something, there's no definition.

and then people come across me. People come across my page. They see how ruthless I talk. They see how definitive I am. They see how raw and real I give it to the people. This is unscripted. And I'm going to stand on my 10 toes. Because even if they decide, I walk out of this door and they kill me today.

I'm still going to die within who I am the way God created me. And that's the voice of the people who can't speak. Well, you're incredibly authentic. And that's what people crave because most of the Internet is, as you say, Chanel purses and fake fat asses and chicks acting like they're traveling everywhere when they're just getting flown out and are basically prostitutes. You know, and, you know, I look at guys like Gary Owen, great comedian. Right.

On stage, she talks like you, kind of, right? It's like guttural, southern, it's a mix of like southern white trash with all due respect and black. And then it gets offstage and it kind of sounds like me. Right. You're like this 24-7. 24-7. If I'm in a speaking engagement where it's predominantly white, I'm speaking in front of professional. Because I do speak in engagements with like a bunch of people, like corporate and stuff.

My dialect, my a R's would be more definitive, but the voice and the pitching never change. So people say I cold switch. I don't code switch. I just clean it up a little bit for the people I'm speaking to. Well, you know who does that? Who? Who grows up learning that? Black people.

They have two voices. Because of a service voice? and they got their motherfucker partner voice who they're kicking with you, right? You know what I'm saying? But this is the true story. So how do I look like talking to my girl

how I talk to my guys? You know, nobody does that. Nobody does that. So it's the same like, like if you're sitting around shooting the shit on a boat with your boys, you know, and how about you talking about that motherfucker? You're going to go home and talk to your wife like that?

Of course not. Is she going to accept that? No. Fuck no. So what are you going to do? You're going to clean that shit up? For who, the respect to the audience? It's the same fucking thing.

That's right. change. So they always try to like, oh, he calls Switch. I don't Code Switch. I just clean up so the people can understand. I want you to hear the message. I don't want you to get so, I don't want to say Star-Stra, but I don't want you to get, I don't want you to sit there befuddled in the speech that I'm giving to where you can't even attach or adapt to what I'm saying because I don't want nobody to miss the message. I don't want you. The message is more important than delivery. Way more important. That's really funny. If you don't Code Switch, You're a piece of shit.

You go talking that shit around your grandmother. Right. Like, they don't want to hear that. They don't. Clean your mouth up, young man. Like around elders. But you know, even back then, you know, they said that, you know, we'll put the soap in your mouth.

You see, so for those who say, you know, code switch or the case may be, man, me. My favorite saying is if you type and you're not fighting. Right. That's just that, bro. You understand. I want to say, you keyboard, brine. I ain't going to be in the comments or I know who I am.

Now, Again, what's so fascinating about your story is you're discriminated against white people for talking black. But how you came up in the ghetto, the all-black ghetto in St. Petersburg, Florida, you're picked on by black people for being white. Yes. What described that? Like, how bad was it? How long did it last? And how did you get out of it?

I didn't see it as being discriminated against for my race. I didn't see it black or white. It's just part of the politics and what's going on in this neighborhood. I understand it on white, true. But it's not like I'm white and they're black and they pick on me because I'm white. It's just I'm the runt of the wolves that's running and they want to toughen me up for a purpose.

And this is the only way they can and this is the only way they know. Because like they say, when you do better, when you know better, you do better. You see what I'm saying? This is the only thing they know. So I'm going to either adapt to it and fight or I'm going to get eaten.

So whenever people say, you know, black, white, they try to put a color on it and this, down, the third. That's not, even still to the day, I still don't see it like that. You know what I was just in a property stricken neighborhood and, you know, I was just being bullied and I could stand on my own ten toes. And for me, that was out of love. It wasn't out of persecution. You know what I mean?

They was already tough. They already had, you know, a crazy-ass lifestyle. They was already starving. They was already struggling. So, you know, you're going to feel the pain too. And you're going to be amongst them. if you're going to live here. So you didn't feel like you were getting beat up or bully because of it.

Not because I was white. It was just part of it. It's just part in the initiation for lack of better words. And also you were an only child. So now you're in this neighborhood full of wolves. They have brothers and cousins. You're all by yourself. All by myself.

Yeah. So you had a pretty horrendous childhood. Yeah, to say the least. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Never knew your father. Never knew my father.

Still to this day? You don't know what happened to him? Never. No picture. No. voice, no name. Mom never talked about him? No.

Is your mother still alive? No, she passed. Did you make up with her? No, I never went to the firm. Sorry, man. It is what it is. Yeah. So, St. Petersburg, mother was, I mean, you're basically like starving.

Yeah. And there's no education. My mother didn't have an education. She liked the alcohol and weed and friends more than she liked me. You know, a couple of boyfriends and shit. You know, she tried to chase behind. you know, looking for love because she's too starved, you know, of emotion, you know what I mean, and affection. So, you know, if you don't know, then how do you know?

But, like, you were physically starved, too. Yeah, absolutely. She would give you coffee when you were hungry. Yeah, to suppress the appetite. Because she was too, she was too content with how she wanted to live in her realm. But when you have kids, you don't live in your realm. you live for the kid and y'all's ramification of life to where you have to do better. But she didn't want to do better.

She didn't want to go to school. She didn't want to get education. She didn't want to work two jobs. She didn't want to do shit. You know what I'm saying? She really didn't want me. Yeah. You know, she told me she tried to abort me.

And then whenever they put the vacuum or whatever it was, you know, fuck, you got to figure that I was back in the early 80s or whatever the fuck the case may be. She said something that was having complications in the, and the suck. wasn't working. That is wild. That's the only thing to save me because the sucking wasn't working. The power was low in the building. Power went out.

Here I am. Dude, your life, your story begins with fighting. Yeah, absolutely. Was not wanting to be here. Yeah. Forced, mind you. Yeah. Right.

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It's like food stamps. you know. Yeah, you're going to the church twice a week to get your free bag of food. Free, free bag of food, free banana box of food. You know what I mean? Shit like that. And then if that isn't working,

then, you know, you go to another church. Downtown St. Pete, they used to have the Lions Club, and there was another something called Star, Stargate, Star something, foundation that, you know what people would go to. You know what I'm saying? But it was,

it's not nothing that they did. anybody should should should should want to be born into. Of course not. Of course not. They've shown that the stress of poverty like physically affects you. I mean, obviously through stress, but like it like the neurons in your brain get crossed. I'm, I mean, I, I mean, I. Like, you ain't right, you know.

No, I'm definitely. I would say all the shit I've been through to sit in, in this room with you today, I probably shouldn't be here. There's two things that I read when I was studying about myself. I have an undergrad and psychology. And two things that I read, there's actually three things that's crazy as shit. The first thing is that molestation, latchkey, welfare, and poverty equals prison.

Right? Without a doubt, hands down. Usually. If you let those four go together, your ass go into prison. That happened. The second thing is that the military did a study and I want to say Lainly on one of the military bases,

they all had the platoon where everybody was best friends and stuff. They was all hanging out. You know, co-worker relationships. Yeah. You know, but you know you make friends. Yeah. So what they did, they went and separated them. They put half of the platoon in the confinement prison.

You know, each cell had one person. And then the study was for the other buddies to watch over them. And the first week, it was cool. Everything was cool. buddy, buddy checking on them. The second week it started declining. The third, four, fifth, sixth week, it was really harsh punishment.

And we was friends in the freedom world. You see what I'm saying? But now that you locked up, I'm digging in you. I'm doing a lot of abusive mental shit, you see? And then the third study was that if the military, if you have been in solitary confinement by yourself in like two weeks,

they deem you incompetent throughout the rest of your life. And they cut you loose. So think about how long, People in prison right now have been sitting in solitary years. I did 28 months in solitary confinement. Fuck. Out of 15 years. And then it was released with no psychological evaluation.

No help. Rehab. So it's a day where I sit. I'm not supposed to be here. Not at all. It's the power of the brain when you talk about a pain and the purpose. How fucking hard do you want it? Yeah, will is everything.

The will is everything. And a lot of cats from your situation sell drugs, but most are unsuccessful. They get hooked or they just, they don't know anything. They don't learn anything and ever get to go to school. The dude just got knocked off from BMF. His name is J-Bow or something like that. He just got knocked with a bunch of keys, right? 53 kilos.

Bro, you're in 48, 52 years old. Who do fuck want to do that? But I mean, like, they don't even get up to 50 ounces. I'm talking about, like, people like, you. you're basically like an orphan. Like, cats from the projects have it better than you. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Right.

So the fact, by the time you're seven, eight years old, you're like, no. Like, you're like this. Like, I'm about to get out of this shit. Right. Like when you learned that, like, crack cocaine was a way to get out. Right. Most people just, I don't have that. I don't have that, like, toughness of mind and that, like, presence to be able to, like,

put your mind to go do that. Most people, I'm just, you know, like, I'm just, you know, like, I'm just. giving you your flowers. Like it's exceptional. It's beyond exceptional. And that's why I do these podcasts, man, because it's like there's so many people I there. I had a lady.

She sent me at Walmart, you know, Austin. And it's an older white lady. And she ran up to me crying. She's like, oh, my God, you're the guy off of TikTok and stuff. I'm like, yeah. And she hugged me and she was crying. I said, why are you crying? She said, because you're so inspiration.

And you don't understand how much of an impact you made on my life because I thought about killing myself. Wow. That feels good, huh? Real good. Real good. So, and you say you had sexual abuse? Yes.

From my older cousin. Fuck. Female. Wow. She was being molested by her mother's boyfriend. I didn't know that, of course. You know, I could tell the story now, but back then I didn't know. Right.

You understand what none of that shit was. Right. She just come in a room literally just ripped the fucking cuffs off me and start, you know, eating my dick and they'd get on top of me. That, I think, is common in the hood. I would say, like the female molesting, the younger sibling. I would say yes. And then in the white community is more the dad fucking the daughter.

Yeah. Both those are common. Yeah. Unfortunately. Yes, unfortunately. But, you know, now you're 7, 8, 9 years old. And this neighborhood, it seems St. Petersburg's like, it's changed so much. Oh, absolutely.

I was driving through there when I was out in Tampa, kicking it with Matt. Right. And I went through St. Pete, and I was like, this doesn't look that bad. Right. But back in the 90s, or I guess late 80s. Late 80s, early 90s. So you copped off the porch like, you were like a fucking toddler, basically. Yeah, absolutely.

Without a doubt. Did you realize what this crack shit was? Like, at what age did you realize, oh, I can make money by food? From friends of mine who are older, the OGs, I would watch, like, we'll go to the store and shit and they'll buy us all, you know, soon as we're wearing snacks and shit like that, soda. And I didn't understand they would pull out like, boy, dope, boy, nothing. Like, damn, brother, how fuck you get in all this money?

And I just sit back and I just be watching shit. We lived in, we lived in a spot in St. Pete off Union Street back when Jed Lee and Wonder Man and Peter Clark and a few other guys who had St. Pete jumping back in like 19. 1986, 1988, 1990. It was called a zoo. It's called a zoo because everybody literally was just running around like a chicken with a head's cut off, feeding for that crack. And this is why I really understood, like, to watch hands exchange.

I don't know what this plastic bag is, but I could see it being exchanged for money. You see what I'm saying? It wasn't until old until, you know, I was walking to the store. I was going to, you know, cronks before it burnt down off 9th Street and things like that hogly-waggly. You know, I can remember the drug dealers telling all the kids. You know, y'all put all that shit up there, and they just put in our dope boy knots, and they're paying for it.

And then I'm able to associate the money with the drug, but at the time, I don't know it's a drug until I started talking to, you know, some of my partners, and they're like, man, this gonna get you rich. And I'm like, what is it? And they showed me like three little small white square, a little like chicklets, and a little plastic dime bag, and it was like this right here.

And I'm like, what is it? I said, this car, that's crack. I said, what does it do? I said, shit, bitch, get how old for it, black, but they spend money all day long only because I high so short. So I had a friend of my name, see, well, I had a friend of my, my mother's best friend name was Adrian. She's always been really good.

People, she was always hot in the street, everybody knew and shit like that. And then she had a boyfriend named C. Murder. You know what I'm saying? But Adrian kind of like took me under her wing. I was all real, I was probably about three or four years old. I could remember her looking at me and telling my mother, I don't know where you got him from, but this is a black kid this is a black man

he has a black soul I don't know where the fuck you got him from but baby you ain't got there's something special right here you gotta hold on to him and you're like man that little fat piece of shit

I can remember it like it was yesterday a little fat piece of shit he ain't gonna be nothing yeah four years old yeah I remember it like yesterday

and then through association with Adrian and shit like that you know just the OGs bouncing back and forth I lived off brick road called Oakdale when I was younger.

And then right behind my house was Terry Lee and Robert Lair. Terry Lee was one of the biggest drug. Then Robillard, Jerry Curles and shit. You know, I had the best fucking Cadillacs you ever seen, the best paint jobs, the best realms. And they live literally like, my backyard and their backyard was just a small four-foot chain-league fence. And it was a crack house?

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and use code Connect to get that $150 instantly in lineups. And all you got to do is win your first $5 lineup. Prize picks, run your game. So in that area, how was like the crack game, how was it organized? Like, was it mostly projects and apartment buildings and little kids running up to cars pulling up? Or, like, compared to, like, New York where it was, I don't know, or Baltimore. To compare to anybody, I don't really know, because I haven't sold drugs nowhere else,

so I'm not really sure how other people, like the smack era of the 70s in New York was our crack era in the 90s. So if you can kind of remember what the movies were, you know, when they talk about, you know, the Jeeps and the MCM and the leather and, you know, or the Gucci and all that shit in the BMWs, that's how it was in the 90s in our era.

Right, so it's funny, because the crack era came later in St. Petersburg, even though Florida invented the cocaine. Right, exactly. Yeah, it didn't hit us until 1986. It was already gone and observed prior to late 1983's 84. Right. You know what I'm saying? So when you got into it though in the early 90s,

it was still rolling, right? Oh, absolutely. It was still a huge effect. Absolutely, no doubt about it. So one of these OGs... Well, his name was C murder. That was Adrian's boyfriend. I had two.

I had O.G. C. Murder. And I had a fat dude named Heavy. His name was Tyrone to Lerfaro. They didn't call him skinny. They gave him a literal name. They gave him a literal name. And again, for those in the comments who say I'm snitching,

everybody's already being convicted. Bidgetes already did Fad Time. Bitch, they've been to sweep. The indictments been out. Bitch, we didn't a dead time. Came home. Some of them did time again in a cave back on. So get the fuck out to come.

This shit is not snitching, bro. The bitch is already dead day time for this shit. Bro, it's facts. Big facts. So you were already known as black. Correct. As little kid. But these OGs, out of all these kids

saw something in you because they said, this is going to get you rich. Right. And that was your intention from the top. Absolutely, because I want to get out of everything. But it wasn't just to like go buy some sneakers. Fuck no. It's to get the fuck out of here.

And I'm leaving my mom right where the fuck she said at. Yeah. That was your attitude, man. Who could blame you? Who can blame me? All right. So how old were you when you first got put on with, you know, whatever?

11. Yeah. He gave me, I gave him like 30 bucks. He gave me like five rocks in a plastic bag. And that's how they sold crack. So you had a big, you had a big piece of crack and then you popped in a half. Now you had two, $10 pieces of crack. So I bought a big piece for 10,

pop it in a half, now it's worth 20. Double up. Double up. But we call them slugs back then. You know what I mean? Sometimes if the slugs was big enough but they would show you enough love, you could really get,

you could hit them two or three times and get 30 to 40. You know what I mean? Or you could really pop up half and just sell up for 20. It's just depending how your motion was and what area was at. So how does an 11-year-old kid,

like how are you able to get your crack off versus like the hundreds of other kids that were trying to get this shit off. Well, back then, the kids wasn't really selling the crack. They weren't. I was hanging around some headbusters, some little badass kids and shit. And their uncles and older kids, they had it all.

You know what I'm saying? There was a high roller, so they didn't really have to sell the crack. They would sell candy and shit like that. You know, I was selling candy, you know what I'm saying, in the school and shit. But they really didn't have to do it because the family members already had it.

I didn't have any family member. Right. And then my mother had a little bit of OG respect because she was the only white woman in the hood. So, you know, the older people, you know, understood that, you know, she was on the same level as them. So Jed, them, you know what I'm saying, look how fun. I can remember when they was come through in, like,

semi-trucks and U-Hauls and left up the back and all the kids and shit would be out there waiting on the tours, they would give my mother, you know, a couple of tours first. Right. Not because it was white superiority, not because it had anything to do with color base. Me, person, looking back, it was two. one, you know, they respected, you know, just in the moment who she was,

and two, it's also probably a little bit to do with safety. You know what I'm saying? Something like, get this shit and go and get the fuck out of the way, knocking this shit. Because it was, it started a big, you know, uproar and bicycles and all this shit. You know, a little crowd, they'd be, you know, fighting this shit over what's what. Right. So would you just walk up to a dope fiend and say I got it?

Or would they throw a client at, would they... Yeah, they kind of like throw a client at you and see how you're going to react type shit. And you just, after a few, you know, nights or something. I used to sneak out my mother's house. I go shut my door, my bedroom door. She'd be in, you know, high weed or whatever, you know, drinking and shit. She'd just be on the couch, you know, the TV. We're watching her. She's not even watching TV no more. I just go out of the back window. Back then, we had an old wooden house, but they had the lead, the lead or weights. So when you lift the window up, the weights come down, and you close the window,

the way to go up, you know. So that shit was broke. So it don't matter if you lock it or not, you don't mind. You're breathing in. and hell of fucking lead paint. Oh, absolutely. Breathing in asbestos. All type of shit. How can mold? You know what I'm saying?

Because it was just wood plank floors. You know what I'm saying? Like wintertime, you could feel the cold through the floor. It ain't nothing to break that, you know? So did you understand saving money and how to, you know, how to come up, how to turn 20 into 40, 40 and 80? They kind of like did that a little bit for me. I didn't understand that right then. It wasn't until I was probably about 13 or 14.

I had got with some of the neighborhood. you know, guys, and we kind of rallied up and understood a little bit more around that time. Back then, I was just selling it to, you know, back then we had Converse shoes was in the silk shirts with the three buttons up and then your Dickie shorts. I was just really just, you know what I'm saying,

just end with the style. You had Kangols back then. You had visors. You had the Dickie outfits with the airbrush on the back, whatever your little crew and shit were you hanging out at. That was just what I was really selling drugs for back then. Yeah, I was just to survive. and, you know, make it look like my mother wasn't broke or poor.

Right. You know, just keeping in with the end crime. So you had a crew by this point, by 13. A little later. A little later. 14-ish. Okay. Before then, did you have to fight?

Absolutely. That shit wasn't easy. Fuck no. The first time I had a swing on a person, it was a dude named, bro. I don't even know the fucking dude name. Tall-ass fucking dude, bro. Skinny.

He smoked crack, asshole crack. And he had a person. pregnant-ass girlfriend, little red girl named Sterling. Beautiful little black girl. Just absolutely amazingly gorgeous. But she just moved over. That bitch was fine, but she was pregnant. And more or less than not, for the sake of the story that I can remember,

he was just, you know, he was jealous. I was white. You know, I had a little, you know, backing by the OGs and shit. You know what I'm saying? People know you could fuck with me, but you can't fuck with me too slick because they want to see how much hard I got. You feel? Let him get out there in that water.

We know, you know, pull them up off of him if he needed. But shit, I was probably about 100 pounds. I was heavy, a little fat kid 11 years old. I was probably about four, three, four, five, something like that. I was pretty started at 11, you know what I'm saying? I was always been big my whole life. And then he came over there fucking, when he told me, you know, I can't get all the money and all because I had been running back and forth,

you know what I'm saying? Because in my mind, I already know, I don't know a big homie here. I don't know if he's on the block. I don't know what he's doing. But I know in my mind he's somewhere around. You know what I'm saying? So curbs serving and shit, he come over there and snatched my bag of crack. I'm trying to sell my crack to it.

You know, when I'm a customer, he snatched my bag of crack. When he did, I just hit him in his shit. Well, we ain't no question. Just took off on him. Let me as old. Knocked his ass out. All that my crack and his crack went up in the air. Look like just raining fucking snowflakes.

Then his girl started screaming and shit. And she started pushing on me to my wide-eyed doing him like that. You know what I'm saying? But then all the O.Gs on the block and they're a little, you know, the younger dudes who were a little bit older than me like, Damn, bro. Black knocked that bitch out, bro. I told you, man, that cracker got hard. That cracker got hard, bro.

He really knocked that motherfucker out. He over there snoring. He snoring, bro. Like, y'all put that left on his head. Hammer time. Bitches over, y'all. You slept him with a left. And then, you know, after that shit,

it just, man, they used to jump, man. They used to come out of the house, 12 deep. I'm talking to my brother, stomp on my ass, and the concrete. Ain't even playing with me. You know what I'm saying? You got to grow up out that shit. You can't let them keep.

doing it. Right. You know what I'm saying? You got a fight. And you're doing it with a bunch of crack on you? Oh, I went like a bunch back then may have been

10 rocks, 15 rocks, 20 rocks, not really doing too much back then. But it wasn't like a sophisticated the way that they sell dope in Baltimore. There's no sophistication at all. You're just...

You're serving with... You're curbs serving. You're putting your money in the pocket. Right. Because that's because the cops wouldn't even come in there, though. No, not back then. We had, we had Cagnin Lacey

with two white girls, and they just fuck with the known neighborhood. They'll fuck with the junkies. You know what I'm saying? They'll fuck with a couple of like, no, real known dope boy, but they're not coming deep in that hood and fucking off. And then you had the jump-out boys who was the green team. They had Rambo, Terrell Skinner, you had Gibson, you had Glover. You had a couple other dudes.

But again, they ain't jumping down in this neighborhood jumping out like that. It's a war if they do. You know, if they try to pull you over, you run type shit, you know, they're going to get the squad. in on you. They're going to get the green team in. If you got a hot corner, you know what I mean, an offshoot of a neighborhood, they're going to run down on you. But man,

Harbettel was fucking rough. I had somebody on YouTube when I do my podcast, Black Label Lounge, I actually somebody, I don't even know the person, but they said, man, I googled his neighborhood in the 90s, and this is what they said. Crime, riddle, violent, you know, the most high crime, you know,

rated in history. And again, I tell people, it's not because I'm trying to portray or sell a story, These are facts. So the cops weren't just going down there. Especially I know two or three o'clock in the morning. So people were getting shot and smoked and... Junkies back then. You had people robbing the taxi drivers

are killing them back then, shooting them in the head and shit from the backseat. You had all, you know, the junkies that was getting robbed and shit left in the alley. You know what I mean? That shit was happening. Damn. Yeah.

Was it gang banging or was it just kind of drug dealing? Drug dealing back then. By the then we had our era. bowling, Mike bowling, you had the bowling brothers, you know what I'm saying, it was part of that, that very violent crime area. And again, for those who say I'm snitching, they, them boys already did their time. They've been convicted of this shit. This shit gone, but this is the shit that people don't speak about. We can talk about St. Pete. They only think about, you know, the peer. They think about the college campus. Bro, that shit ain't what it is, bro. And I'm not here to

tell the whole world of St. Pete, you know, is violent today. I'm just saying, man, St. Pete is not St. Pete what it was when we was growing up. When you had downtown Mars, others was empty on fucking Montgomery Wars was just an empty, you know, upstairs, you know, rising where it's just gutted out. Now it's just a whole crack house. You see what I'm saying? People don't understand, but now you don't even find those buildings and the same. Right, right.

It was vicious. And for them being the only white guy, you know, in that era and that time, it really fueled a different purpose. It fueled a different head check mentally. I feel like it's I get the image of remember watching old episodes of cops I get the image of a ghetto in St. Pete

you know what I mean? A bunch of black kids out on these big lawns just run down as fuck and just crackheads everywhere That's about what it was But you never caught a case That's what's so wild is you were just cowboy in it You're the only white kid in a sea of black people

Right So you're already a target standing out And you never took a pinch Because I'm not leaving my neighborhood because I'm so safe here. And every time I did leave my neighborhood, it's always trouble. It's always trouble.

I'm the target. They're not coming in a harbidale fucking with me. But if I leave out of harbor there, it's a problem. Yeah, I never got on a podcast and said that I was Superman. I never got on a podcast and said

I didn't get my ass whoop. I never got on a podcast and say that, you know, a bitch didn't rob me. No, I was targeted heavily. Because when you white, you're seen as weak. but again those people who were outside the neighborhood didn't see what I endured for 10, 12, 15 years straight.

So you don't know what the fuck. So when my friends are telling other people are in school, hey, listen, you're going to pick on him. I'm telling you, bitch, we trained. This motherfucker is red D. This bitch is a goon. But we don't even fuck with him no more. He doesn't surpass the.

We made this man into a master. We can't control. So why the fuck you over your ass? asking us to do something like this. Fuck with them. Fuck with them. Please. They're encouraging this shit.

But I'm telling you, this man gonna tell some shit off. But they didn't lie. You know what I'm saying? Because once we got it started, you know, they'll fuck with me, they'll jump on me. I'll get in some ass, but boy, here they come. So you basically were in gladiator training

for your first 12, 13 years of life in Harvard. Yeah, the Harvard. The first 16 years. Yeah. Because it starts in the house for my mother. alcoholism, wanting to get how on weed and shit, want to neglect, not wanting to teach.

She has no education, so there's nothing to teach. And whatever free time she has, she wants to hang on the porch with her girlfriends. She don't want me around. The bitch just told me she tried to abort me. And you got cracks in the house? She doesn't give a fuck? She don't know.

It's still a certain type of respect in that era that you care for your parent. You know what I'm saying? In my head, I'm talking to myself, but I'm not going to act on what I'm telling myself. I know this bitch ain't no motherfucking good. I know this bitch don't mean me well. I know this bitch ain't got no real

motherfucking love for me. I can't tell her this and I can't show her this. I got to have respect for her. You understand what I'm saying? Until I can find myself better. Man, that bitch hit me on my mouth with her car keys, bro. Yeah. Yeah.

I'm talking about caught back to Mexico. Understand me? Yeah. It hit me on my shit. Not all my shit loose. God. Yeah. How old were you?

10? That ain't the first time. Anything in the house you can throw pots, pans, broomstick. I mean, one time I was sitting on the couch and she came in and she was drunk. And she started her shit. So I stood up.

I was like, man, you know, just, I don't even want to like own that shit, brother. Like, you're drunk, man, you're tripping. And I think I did call her bitch, not even on purpose. I was like, man, you drunk, bitch, you tripping. You know, because that's just how we talk. Man, that motherfucker got that brawn stick.

I couldn't even get out of dough good enough. I couldn't get out the dog gun. Man, that motherfucker ate my back, my hair. Everything who wasn't facing her, caught that broomstick. She bent that bitch up all the hell. That shit looked like a blend to a blunder when she was through with it. Where some see heroes and others see egos. Bloomberg sees the era of billionaire athletes.

While others follow the noise, we follow the money. Learn more at Bloomberg.com. So she was giving you blast. parent whoopens. Almost worse, actually. Yeah, probably worse. I never heard of a black kid getting there. That bitch hit me in my head with a motherfucker pan one time.

I was sitting at the table smacking. Again, I'm a kid. I don't know. The food was good. Man, that motherfucker ain't give me no warning or nothing. You were smacking your mouth and she hit you with a pan. That motherfucker hit caught back to Mexico. I seen stars, bro.

And then they understand why. But now looking back, that's the only thing could have triggered her to do that. You understand what I'm saying? Did she, was she mad at you for the way you spoke? She was mad at herself and me. I don't think she understood why she was mad at herself. I don't think she, I think she had shit inside her that she never healed from her dealt with.

So it's sucking out on me. Because you can't blame me because you brought me here. But she wasn't talking with like the black swag that you had. No, she was already, you know, grown, very grown. You know, I think maybe on 30s maybe at that time. You know what I'm saying? Like she didn't date black men. She didn't believe in me.

and the racist and all that shit. That was a huge problem when she called me kissing the first black girl. Right, because you've been into black girls since jump. Right. I don't have a choice. Fuck, I ain't gay. I don't want a black dick. I want me some hair.

I want to meet some pussy. I want to meet some pussy. I want to find a little black shit, you're. For sure. Yeah. But she didn't like that. She didn't like that. But she chose to live.

That's what I'm saying. What the fuck is you going with education? You can't pitch me shit. You know what the fuck you look like in front of me? And I'm telling myself this. In the same voice that I have the day, I had that same voice in my head, bro, grown. It's fault.

So you, in your mind, you were like, fuck this bitch. I'm getting the fuck out of here. I got to get the, I got to leave her where she's sitting. This shit ain't neat. Did you have, did you get girls, the girls like you? I was fat. I was fat and chubby with glasses. My clothes came from Family Dollar.

She didn't know where to take me to get a haircut. She didn't know how to take her a little boy, a man. She didn't know how to do it. But did you always have, like, mouthpiece, like the way you speak now and carry yourself. Not in front of her, but in front of school teachers, police officers, friends, yes. Yeah, the neighborhood. Like, when did you develop that?

Was that through selling crack? Did you learn how to carry yourself in a... I don't understand the question. Well, did you learn how to carry yourself like a man, even at 11 years old? Yes. Through the environment where I live, that's correct. Yes. Okay.

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You're like a mini kingpin. A majority deal. Yeah, I'm in a kingpin. But I just knew that me sitting down and actually watching everybody, everybody had the same thing, had the same aspect. But what they didn't have was education. I knew that was the only thing that was going to separate me. from them was me, I'm telling the education, trying to figure out where I'm gonna go

with all the money that I got. For sure. That's the only thing that's gonna separate. We all had cars, bitches, alcohol, crack, money, jury. Everybody had the same thing, a house to go home to, but what nobody really had and wasn't focused on was the education. And I just knew that was gonna keep me from this shit hill.

Yeah. Keeping the money is everything. Keeping the money is everything. It's the only thing. Right. Even in the legit world. Even in the legit world is absolutely way different than the crack game. The money is no comparison. Today's economy, the taxes, like my

personal business, black labor services, the black trucks, my profit margin is barely even there anymore. Right. You know what I'm saying? Just because of the, you know, the liability taxes, the insurance, you know, employee insurance, dry cleaning on, you know, uniforms, fuel, or the detail of vehicle, they got to raise the price because the price of water and chemicals and, you know, the shipping from China is fucking the street. You know, I could push the black trucks all day long. I'm the most perfect chauffeur you could ever think over there in your life. My resume is impeccable.

You understand? I want somebody at the same time. Like, I can't charge people $15,000 for a five-hour ride. It's never going to happen. I don't care how good I am. I don't care how great the business is. I don't care what the fuck my black label brand is. It would never be a $15,000 ride for five hours.

I have to keep you in the market price. I'm going to lose. But what happens is the more people are aware of the services that I offer with the constant base, I tend to make a little money. You know what I mean? Birthdays, the girls love the black trucks on the birthdays. Graduation, homecoming, proms, or airport shuttles back and forth, girls night out, guys not out, date night. You and your spouse, you know, want to get in the truck and hang out and drink and not be bothered. You want to leave the comfort of your home without leaving your home.

And that's what I provide to the people who understand what luxury transportation is. It doesn't mind spending a couple extra $100 to make sure you are safe, make sure that your image and brand is what you want it to be, and make sure that no secret is told, which is a confidentiality of what goes on in this black truck. So do you think you learn customer service from the dope game, or is there no crossover? There's huge crossover. It's the same. I really have a distasteful liking mentally for what corporate America does to convict the felons like myself.

For those who run, Prattrick Gamble, for those who run Johnson Johnson, with those who run Sprite and all these different Bush beer, Anheiser, Pepsi, Coca, Coca, you would want somebody like me to run your company. And it's not the conviction. It's because I've already been brand a multi-million dollar operation at 17, 18 years old. I was convicted as an entrepreneur and did 15 years behind the mindset that I have. And then you look at me and say, well, we don't want to hire you, not even to be a janitor because you're a convicted felon. Do you know I can run your company better than you?

Do you know I know about profit margin? Do you know I know about customer base? Do you know I know about competition? Do you know how hard it is a cell crack at 12 years old? And you mean to tell me that your degree separates me from you? You know what separates that degree? You know what that degree would never beat? I got a friend who has a friend.

A guy who knows a guy will always be that degree. And loyalty. You did 15 and didn't open your mouth. I'm going to be a loyal CEO or whatever. There's no trading secrets. There's no telling. We have a business to run. We have money to get.

If you pay me my worth, I will show you something that you never thought of. I think the hardest thing for people that were successful in the drug game is, going into business and accepting that it's not going to be a 50% profit margin. No. You know what I mean? Right. Like, I'm not going to make $30,000 in a day, usually. Right.

You know? But I think you got up to that level by the time you were, you know, before the feds took you out. Absolutely. You were making, you guys were making money. Yeah. So at what age did you go from just loose cracks? I'm just buying Dickies and spray painting my shirt. starting to fuck with the bitches to,

okay, we're going to turn this into like a fucking enterprise. 16. 16. Mm-hmm. Absolutely. Some things happen in the wash. You know what I'm saying? For the respect to the families who were involved when I speak on these podcasts,

they ask me not to speak about some things. So I'll keep it, you know, G, and peaceful and respectful for those who, for the story that I tell that bothers them. And they have a right, too. You know what I'm saying? Their feelings are validated? Absolutely. I don't want to disrespect.

in any kind of way. Yeah, some things got fucked up. Some things got misconstrued. People got shot? Yeah. To say the least, you know, it's kidnaps involved. You know what I'm saying?

It's death. It's murder. It's mayhem. You know what I'm saying? It's violence. It's a perpetual continuance of what surrounds, you know, you being in a very volatile game, which is the crack game.

Well, that shit was like, I mean, it blows my mind. like in the 90s, that was still going on, like people getting straight up kidnapped. You got kidnapped. I did. I did. You want to talk about that?

Can't a little bit, you know? Tad bit, you know what I said? We can touch a little base on it, you know, but it's just part of the game. You know, I think I'm hot shit. You know, I'm in the neighborhood where I don't belong. I'm in the area of the city where I don't belong. And, you know, a few dudes run down on me,

you know, put me in the back seat of a car. And next time, I know I'm in the house. You know what I mean? And back then, you know, um... So they're calling up your crew asking for ransom? They're calling up my partner. They know who my right-hand man is.

You know, it was easy for us, you know, to get a hold of each other today. It was crazy. The industry, you got to get through. People don't want you to even talk to them. You can't DM them. You can't call them. They don't want you with their managers.

It's crazy shit in the world. But back then it wasn't like that. You know what I mean? You had direct kind of, you know who the fuck to get on that phone with when you need a cell? Okay. So how, and before the cell phone era, and you're kidnapped.

How does the crew get a hold of your... Do you give them the number? That was a cell phone error. We had cell phones in. I want to say, 1998. We had the Nakia flip down back then. Then we had the Motorola chirping. Then we had, it was the gold and the wooden, like,

flip down Motorola phone. Like back then, but people wasn't... We had the cell phones. Not everybody had one. You know what I mean? They had the fucking antenna. You had to pull the bitch out and, you know what I'm saying, talk on it.

So, you know, it was, I want to say 98 or 99 when we got cell phones. I can't really remember the date. So they was able to get a hold of them, you know what I'm saying? And that time, they didn't tie me up again. Like, I don't know why. I guess they thought that the gun that they was holding on me was going to be suffice. And back then, like, man, my partners who was running with me, they taught me something. They was like, listen, Black, you know, we from the show me era, like, but you got to make me a believer.

If you kick this dough in and you don't shoot me, bitch, I'm gonna get in your ass. But if you kick this door in and you shoot me, you can have everything in this bitch because you mean business. But if you come in this bitch and just tell me like, man, lay down and give it up, man, I'm gonna fight to the death fuck

because you don't mean what you mean. You scared to me. And that's what I will all have been taught. You see? So if you pull a kickdoor, if you're running up and somebody shit. You better shoot their ass, bro. Because if not, you've got to understand

the day you got the same mentality that you do because it's the same error in the same city. If you don't shoot me, bitch, I'm gonna get on your ass. So when you pull that kick, though, the first thing you better do is shoot the first bitch you see.

Come, make you a believer because I came in here, I mean business, I want everything in this motherfucker that I came to take everything to include your life of need be not shot your pussy, lay the fuck down,

let me get my shit and leave unless you wanted to be a homicide. But if you kick that door in and you're talking about lay down, I don't understand that. Because these dudes I grew up with were way more vicious than me. You understand what I'm saying?

So shit. So is there. There's never just an armed robbery. It's an armed robbery plus a assault. Plus a harming, yeah. You better be something. You better hit a bitch in the head with that pistol or something, knock some teeth out of something.

Yeah. So when they kidnapped you, they didn't do that. Four of them kidnapped me, you know, helped me a gun and shit. And then they took me in the house. They walked around the house and shit. I'm in this house sitting on the fucking couch or whatever.

You know what I'm saying? They end up leaving and they call them a partner to come up with like $60,000 and ransom again. I don't know why. Because people be like, oh, why wasn't it me? Why, why? Bitch, I don't know. Bitch, I don't know.

why the fuck the people only want to sit? Bitch, I didn't rob myself, motherfucker. Like, make this. Like, the people in the comments be the worst motherfucker. And they, mind you, they, bro, bro, listen. And then, bro, they never even grew up without Wi-Fi. So they can't fathom a ring camera, a drone.

No, that never happened. It's always had. So it's crazy with these fucking comments. It's always the people that have never really lived anything or known anybody that are like, that can happen. That can happen. Can't happen. No, no way.

That never happened. He never left the house. No, no. So they left the one dude there. He had a 38 back then, which is known as that murder. It was called the Merker. And that's what it is, the murder. It's the 38 special.

You know what I'm saying? That bitch, they ain't got no kickback on it. You know what I mean? So they called him a partner. My partner told he was going to come to $60,000. He had it. They was all supposed to meet at the same house at the same time. The dudes, the other three dudes, it was four of them.

I don't know why the fuck they left. I don't have a motherfucker. I don't know, bro. I don't have the fucking thing or answer. Everybody looked for in the comments. So the dude showed up and everybody showed up with them. So the dude was outgunning out. When they came in that bitch, everybody was shooting.

I ran out of the back door, jump to the coffee fence, ran to the main road. So your partners came through with the ransom money? No, never had the ransom money. Okay. Yeah, they just like, yeah, yeah, we got to, yeah, don't fuck with them. Like, we got the money. We got the whole time ain't no money. Then them boys come up for blood.

them boys coming to murder. Them boys ain't playing. Because it wasn't just how it was their friend, man. We're all family at this point. We already been through the shit. Our mother's on the same level. We're on the same level. You know what I'm saying?

There's struggle. The strife. There's pain. You know, there's starvation. This is hell. No, this ain't. So did you jump out of the window before they busted in and started shooting? Or kind of like same time.

Okay. Like, I already know. When they call him, I know. We think of like. We let them are like twins. This is my part. He got two. Two life sentences plus 25.

Who's that? I can't speak about him. Can you say his name, though? No. Okay. Can't say it. Got it. But he was like your right hand.

Yes. Okay. Yeah, the family asked me to no longer speak about him. But his legacy still lives on in my world, in my mind. I wish I could do for him more than I can. You know, he's locked up somewhere in the system. You know what I'm saying? I'm in contact with his little brother.

I mean, his little brother, a real good friend. So, you know, if he needs something or something like that, you know what I'm saying? I'm able to, you know, a facilitator, but he's still a really good friend of mine. You know, I'm in contact as much as I can. I still love him like a brother. Really good dude. Mindful, whatever the fuck he did, you know, whatever happened. I'm not here to judge, nobody.

You know what I'm saying? But he, like, I want to keep his legacy going because what he, how he protected me and what he did for me. He was more than a friend. He was more. He won above him beyond to make sure that my safety and my friendship was valued. Well, look what he did. And we don't have that type of loyalty anymore. That type of world doesn't exist.

You know, so whatever the family asked me to do, I want to make sure I'm in line with the family's request. Can I ask you, did he go away when you eventually caught your Fed case over the dope? Did he go down in that indictment? I don't really want to... That's okay. So listen, I'm going to say this. There was something more prevalent than our case that was holding him to where they had to separate what was separated in what they needed to do to do what they needed to do.

That makes sense. He's off doing all day, unfortunately. Unfortunately. Did any, were there any murders, homicides linked to that incident when they came to rescue you? Did anybody die? Did anybody get killed? Oh, somebody got shot. And it was taken to Bayfront.

And it was what? They were took in the Bayfront Medical Center on 6th Street South in St. Petersburg. Okay. They rushed to the hospital. Did they make it? Yeah. Okay. Mm-hmm.

All as well as ends. All as well as well, you know? I guess so. But, you know, after that, it started a whole other, you know. So that started a fucking... Yeah. So basically it was just neighborhoods beefing against neighborhoods, right? Exactly.

We don't have gangs. We don't have bloods. We don't have cubs. We don't have Viceroy's. We don't have GDs. We don't have that type of realm of care. We don't have colors. It's just neighborhood loyalty back then.

Right. You grew up in this neighborhood. You're loyal to this neighborhood. These are your friends. And I can remember me even back then, like we would like, you know, tell the girls, you know, like you can't date outside this neighborhood. Like, bitch, you have to pick somebody right here, bitch.

You're not going no well out of the neighborhood. You know what I'm saying? You know, you got to remember back then, man, all of us was like, fat and ugly. You know, we ain't really growing to who we are and shit. So we all been telling the girls, like, listen, yeah, you ain't going across that road. You better pick somebody out here and get your little shit together, girl, because this is what we're doing. Yeah, we're going to grow up here, we're going to live here, we're going to love here. We're going to fight here.

That's what it is. Girls love when you tell them that. Right, right? Oh, love it. You know, it's a couple of them. You know, it's okay. You know what I'm saying? So the people, so they would, if other neighborhoods would try to press into your,

your territory, like trying to take your customers or just mindless? Mindless shit. Like, they'll try to come into the store, you know, and just like, you know, you just around. But the same thing I did, you know, going to another neighborhood, I'm thirsty, so I just pull into this fucking store like shady side or snacks. That was the two biggest stores that we couldn't really go to. But, you know, who I am? You know, I'm big dick Willie.

You know, I'm going to the motherfucker's store anyway. I'm going to prove a point. Shit, I'll prove a point. I'm going to wear your ass out of him. Prove that point. We got something. It's the same thing we did. Our store was easy stop.

You know what I'm saying? You know, they'll come over there from Arburn. They'll come over there, you know, from 34th Street, early in the morning or whatever, or later in the night trying to creep in the crime. No, uh-uh. No, sir. We're going to tell every motherfucker chip aisle up in this bitch with your back.

Right. Yeah. So it wasn't just drug dealing. I mean, that's what you guys hit. But it was all. All kinds of violent crime. All kinds of violence. Shooting and fucking beatings.

All type of shit. You know what I'm saying? People getting thrown out. We got one of the most infamous lakes known in Florida. It's called Lake Magory. And since then they cleaned Lake Magory up here recently and just kind of give you an idea. And, you know, God bless and rest, rest in peace for the family that happened to. But this young guy, he stabbed a young woman in St. Petersburg.

And he ended up taking their child and throwing a child on Lake Maguire. So they were looking for the child. and a child, the two or three old son was actually found in the alligator's mouth. This is recently. So I'm just trying to get you to understand this is even after they clean that area. So they used to. That used to be our death pink. Right, the body dumping.

Would you dump the guns there too or you had another spot for that? Yeah, sometimes. Yeah, cell phones, you know, cars, all type of shit going to. Right. Easy access. So was it like, did you guys have it down to where it's like, okay, we're going to steal a car, go do the shooting, go dump the gun? gun? Like, was it that thought out? Or was the beef just kind of like... On site.

On site? Where the fuck it cracked that? You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, if you, if you think about premeditation, I can't really recall where we were still in a car to go do something to be on-suit. Like they wouldn't, like you might do in South Central, right? We're going to steal the car and shoot it. No, this she was on site. When in the, whatever fuck we see, where the fuck we catch you. Fuck a car. You got to remember, there's no drones. There's no flock cameras. There's no red light cameras. There's no surveillance camera. There's no ring cameras. There's nothing fucking going on.

Nothing. There's no recording device. And then, you know, you got to figure back there in the south side, bitch, everybody's scared. The junkies want to get hired. And the people who do want to go to work want to go to work. And they got kids in these schools and these neighborhoods. Bitch, I ain't telling it. Mone fucking shit, bitch scared.

But we not, and this is why I tell you, like, we're not doing this on purpose, bro. We're not scaring the people on purpose. We're not horrific kids. Like, bitch, going the house. We're not doing that, bro. We just caught the fuck up, bro. We just caught the fuck up. And then you would go to high school.

I would. You might have shot at some fools, might have hit somebody, and then you're a math class. Right. You got a pocket full of money? Absolutely. I could remember at 16th Street middle school,

buying, they had, I don't say, canteen, commissary, what the fuck? Cossess is there. That's what they had back then. They'll serve pickles,

pizza, bag, chips, and stuff. I'm going to buy everybody who in line. Like, I would cause a whole, not just me, buying a couple partners, too. We'll buy all the kids,

Domino's piece, each slice was a dollar. Man, we in this bitch can't get the money out. The bitch that we fighting. Jewry rings and shit. We came to a little 10-carric gold rings with like Queen Latifah and the little diamond head

Jesus and the little dollar sign. We had all that shit. Can't get the money out trying to read. And it's just the kid, the little girls in that bitch laughing and giggling and shit, you know what I mean? So you guys are like middle school kingpins. You feel like you're like you're like mafiosos on the neighborhood. Yes, but I wouldn't equated to that thought.

that mind, we just kids with some money. We're not even dope boys yet. We're just some kids who just, man, we just fucking eat holes having our way. Just hanging out, you know? So I think you guys moved up to Keys. Young. Very. 16. That was when you got your first brick? In essence, we did like, we was looking for a brick and one of the guys only sold us like a quarter of a brick because he thought we was, you know, we're kids. They knew us to be kids, but in our minds we're not kid, but they used to just think like we were just bullshit, like we didn't have the money. You know what I'm saying? And then the quarter key or half key that were selling us were fucking priced two times

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Okay, so what did that, what did the traffic look like? If you got a half a key and now you're stretching it and cooking it, like, what does that bring back? Like how many vials of crack? What does that look like? And then what are your spots like? Where are you serving? Back then, I want to say probably about 16 and a half, half a key, bro. Back then...

Nine? Probably. Probably something like that. Because if a bird is like, I don't know, 13, paying more if it's a half? Yeah, 36, cut down a half or make a quarter out of that. I know we was more than doubling our money. Yeah.

That I do know. You know what I'm saying? And then when we turn about... 17 is when we really fucked the game up. We was probably about 17 and a half leading in the 18. Because I remember the time because when I got busted was right after the big takeover. And what they was doing back then,

it was they were selling, so 28 grams of an ounce on the scale or crack. What they were doing was they was taking 26 grams of crack, putting it on a scale, then putting it in the baggie, right? That made it 27 grams. They were selling that for $1,200 calling it an ounce. It's not an ounce.

So by the time we already had our connect down in, you know, Miami with a shower posse and she's a Jamaican shower posse. Shit, we was coming up. We was fucking up the game because C. Murdo taught me and Derek, I could say his name, God bless the dead, D. Lane, who was Rodway's uncle. And shit, he was one of my closest friends in the game. And, you know, he had since passed. But, you know, he went on to do great things.

He was in the feds with us and everything. And when he came on, he went on to do, you know, good things with Rod Wave. But fuck, man, he taught us how to cook crack. He taught us when we got our car at the custom shop. Like, he was sitting in my assigne seat and I'm driving. No 10 on his, I had a box Chevy back then. I had no 10 on the window. And he would tell I'm coming down 18th Avenue.

And he would take the wheel. He, D. Lane, there, raw away uncle. God bless the dead. He would take my wheel and be like, swerve on a, black swerve on him. Like, just get in front of him. And I'd be like, you know, like, what? He, that's when he takes the wheel.

Man, swerve on him. Black swerve on him. So I get in front of the dude and then he'll tell me, man, cut the wheel back and get back in your lane. I could remember those days. He taught us how to cook. Then I had my partner see murder.

He taught, so what they end up doing is showing us how to stretch the dough with the baker's soda and shit. So what we started doing was that 26 grams was $1,200 in the street. We're going down. getting his work, coming back, whipping it up. Now, we're selling 52 grams for $900.

Kill them. Take it. Bro, I took everything. That took the whole game out, bro. That shit changed everything. When I'm talking about violence, that shit came with a lot of violence. That shit came with a lot of structure from my crew. That shit came with a lot of generalization.

When you go back to talking about customer service, we can talk about competition. We talk about profit margin. When you talk about understand your product. You understand? Like that shit took a whole world of its own, bro. We couldn't even keep that shit. So you're selling ounces, full ounces, no, 52 grams. So almost, you're selling almost two ounces.

Damn near two ounces. For less of the price of one ounce on the street. Yep. And how did you first meet your connect in Miami? I met him on Humbold. He was with a friend of mine's girl. They were all together in the crack house. And I was really going over to fuck with him

because we all was going to school that morning. Right, it was like six in the morning. I didn't even know none of this shit was going on. So I just bobbed up in the house. Man, he was in there. He looked back. He kept looking back at me and I kept looking at him because, bro, they got a lot of money on the table.

And I don't really know what was being exchanged or what was going on. But it's my little partner. You know, I fought with him or whatever. And then the dude was like, man, who the fuck are you? I'm like, bro. Like, get your man's, bro.

Because at this time, you know, me and my man, we equal, but he ain't no bigger to me, I ain't no bigger to him, but we understand, like, you know, we men. Like, bro, get your partner for this fuck shit, go down now.

So he was like, no, you know, that's my partner, black or whatever case may be, and then, you know, he's looking at me and I'm looking at him. He were like, black,

fucking white dude named black. Got a chuck, and I said, yeah, but don't take that too lightly. He's like, man, what the fuck that post of me? I don't know, however you're going to take it?

I don't just, don't take it too lightly, because you're laughing, bro. you know what I'm saying? So he was like, he told his partner, man, I like him. You know what I'm saying?

I don't know why he said he liked me. But a lot of people misunderstood me because I was white, but I had a heart. I had a big heart. I'm trying every, I'm going on everything that's trying me. I'm trying to do this shit 10 times hard. Of course.

I got something to prove. Yeah. I'm talking I got something to prove. I don't give a fuck by none of that shit you're rapping my partner. You're not giving an inch. Not an inch. Because if I did, I already suffered so much

by giving an inch. by apologizing by getting slapped in the face and say, oh, my God, what did I do? What did I do? Fuck what I did. Check this shit out. That shit dead. I don't go fuck what I did, but you ain't going to do it.

And there was nobody else in this motherfucker. And I meant that, and I stood on it. I didn't need nobody to back that because I already proved a point, not just in my hood, but outside the hood. So he was like, man, I like him. You know what I'm saying? And then after that, me and him started talking this shit, and I was asking him to know who the dude was.

I can't really remember exactly how the shit went. But we end up going down to Miami together and meeting a dude again. And then he was like, oh, you know, I remember your partner. You know what I'm saying? He was like, why all be so stuck on his white boy? Like, what's up with the white boy?

You know what I'm saying? And these are the Jamaicans in Miami? There was a Puerto Rican, Dominican, Jamaican. You know, it was a cluster of them. You know, and there just wasn't Jamaican. I can't believe nobody from the hood had gone down to my four hours south to get a wholesale price.

Well, see, they was doing that. So what happened was, C. Murder was back and forth between Miami and Fort Myers. And then like Wonder Man to Jed them, they was coming from Fort Myers bringing the work up. So we just knew it was down south, but we just didn't know where and how. It would only be a point in time.

If you do anything in any industry, you're gonna find the wearing the how. Yeah, of course. You just gotta be consistent, you know? So that's just how the shit went. And so they put you down with whole keys. Whole keys. Back then, it was getting the key

for like 12,000, 14,000. One of the two, I can't really remember, but it was not quite expensive. It was affordable back there. Yeah, 12, 14 Gs, 36 ounces, and then you take that powder, and what does that look like when you cook it up? How many do you have? Right, 52 grand, but I don't even, there are circles all over the fucking house, bro. There are circles, fans, ventilation.

People who, again, don't understand when I say 15 stoves, and I'm going to say this on the record, I could have misplaced whether it was 12, or 15 under one house. When I say that, people say it's impossible. I got 30-year-old electricians trying to debunk when I'm telling them. Okay, for people that don't know, tell us about the crack house.

So it is what it is. So I had a big house on the corner, right? In front of my house is the green tank. Do you know what the green tank is? The green tank is where they painted green, and that's where the electrical comes out from the ground. So whatever day, I don't know what the fuck's in the green tank. Never opened up one.

I don't know, but still to this day, I don't know. But whatever's in there is from the electric company, they put, you understand what I'm saying, on the corner to run whatever the fuck they run. So y'all can GPT chat, that shit. I don't get a fuck, but that's what the fuck. You understand what I'm saying? So now I had a big house, right,

big two-bedroom house, with me and my girl, her grandma stay. The back of that, this is all in the same square on the same pad of grass. Had it upstairs and downstairs, right? Garage apartments. Then the house next door was vacant. You understand what I'm saying?

So now we have four meters, the lead off of in this big tank. I'm 15, 16, 17 years old. We had a couple of cracker had a, and that was Aubrey, Ambray, Scanner Mike, Balmo, and somebody else. These are all like local junkies. Wizards. Fucking wizards.

We was getting free electric. We was getting free cable. You understand what I'm saying? They would take the meters out, flip them upside down, stick them back in and run them back in. You could do all that back then, bro. grid was way different. It's a lot chain when you chat, you know, 1995 to now chat will explain to exactly why it's plausible and yes, it happened. But those who try to debunk the shit,

you understand what I'm saying? Everybody knows crackheads could do that shit. Immediately. So in today's time, my question is those who try to debunk it. Do you know how much power you have to run to have a grow house in 2026? A lot less than to cook some crack, I would think. No, way more. That's what I meant. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Less more. Right, right, exactly. And then it's oh, well, you need ventilation back, then you got to figure. And then plus a lot, not every stove in these houses is being cooked on at one time. You understand what I'm saying. We just need the facilitation to be over to push what we needed at the time.

So we might have, you know, six stoves going. You know, three in this house, three in the next house. You know, you got six, eight cookers. You know what I'm saying? People in there cooking. Okay. But you have about 15 stoves. At least 12 to 15.

Go on. Not at all at one time. We ain't got no big, you know, crackhead operations. Like how the media try to, you know, the comments try to portray. It's just, again, we're facilitating a large quantity of crack, a large quantity of cocaine. This is what's needed in this moment. This is what we have to do. Hey, I'm, like I said, I'm 60.

I ain't in there to my damn. So that links to that. And I'm going to tell the story 20 years for now. So whenever you flipped it, get the fuck out of here, bro. No, no, no, why is doing that? So you went and bought ovens. You went and bought stuff, ovens, brought them in. And now you could be cooking up whole birds.

Right. Because that's a lot of cooking a whole key takes a long time. It takes a while. It does. And then back then, how, you know, we had a fork. We were whip it and spin it, you know, into the circle and shit like that. And then sometimes it really wasn't,

depending on whatever pot, sometimes. Back then we was using Pyrex, which is really a high grade of glass. Sometimes it's bust and shit like that. But I can remember spinning it on the floor trying to get that bitch to, you know what I'm saying? Spin out to where I need that bitch to stretch. I can remember all this shit.

You know what I said? But I learned that from, you know, He taught me a lot in the game. You know what I'm saying? Again, D. Lane, I mean, D. Lee. D. Lane, excuse me, Derek Lane, same thing. Like, D. Lane, like. So you guys are 16, and you got some, like, mini Carter shit.

You know, New Jack City Carter. Many. You know what I'm saying? It's many. You know what I'm saying? But, you know, we shit, it's five, six of us. You know, we got shit to do. You know what I mean?

We got people to see. Like, the shit, we, fuck, bro. It's rocking. So off of a one kilo of powder, how much, and you pay, say, 14 for it, what do you turn? that around after you sell it, you sell it out hard. Shit, bro. You're talking about $35,000, maybe, something like that.

And that's selling ounces, like, you're selling ounces now. You're off the corner. It's between, you know, 28 to 52. Sometimes, you know, you get somebody who want to want to spend $250. You know, that's a quarter. Shit like that. So you would serve small amounts still. Yeah, we still serve.

Yeah. But the crackhead era is going for us. Now we supply in the city. Do we still have crackheads and shit we look out for, of course? Right. Do we still have, you know, customers who come back and forth? Of course, but it's not as strong as when we was at 13, 14. Courtserving, riding the bicycles, going down to Williams Park, you know,

coming out the pocket with the whole 50-pack pouring in your hand, letting them pick with the one they want, putting it back. You know what I'm saying? Those days are kind of over with you. Yeah, now you're putting people on. Yeah, definitely putting people on. You know, you front and weight, people bring them on it back. It's just a lot of movement.

How many bricks were you bringing back from Miami? I think the first time we did, like, all of us bought seven, and they gave us like another three or four in consignment. So you got 11 birds for a 16-year-old. That's like a lot of responsibility. It is. It is. But again, you got to remember at that time,

we don't know we're 16 if that makes sense. It does. You see what I'm saying? The age and the race is not playing a part like you would think how we're having the conversations today to look back. You were like, it's just normal. It's just life. This is absolutely normal.

I would think at that era, that everybody is doing this around the world. But did you feel like you were on, though? Like once that lick happened, you just like, it's moving now. We're rocking. Yeah, yeah. Big jewelry, big clothes. Back then we're bringing up shit for Miami.

They only have like the shoes, travel foxes, lotos, British nights, you know, different joins and shit, you know what I mean, coming back with the gold grills, with the fangs and shit on them. People ain't doing this shit. Now we went from the single ring. Now we got three ring fingers, you know what I'm saying? Went from the little, you know, the little herring. and bone now, bitch, we got the whole rock on us.

They did, what do you see it? It's emotion. And was your crew 50-50 all the way across, or was it you and your partner were the, you guys, you guys took the- No, we're 50-50 all the way across. So how we would do it, it might be anywhere between six to eight, maybe 11 people in one crack house, and then we would all take turns. Like, you know, you'll get a serve, you'll get a serve, and you get a serve, and you get

served. And if everybody leave and you're just in the house by yourself, now you're serving everybody. And that's just how the turns went. In a real crack house, if you ever been a real cracker, you got a partner and y'all serving with three, four y'all, you get the first one, I get the second one, he gets the third one, he gets the fourth one. Then you just re-rotate. And that's I go. Everybody made money all night long. It's 50-50 gross a board. But you and your, so you, you guys split the profits evenly from your keys. Right. After the keys are sold. Right. Okay. And then, you know, we're buying shit. You know what I'm saying? We got convertibles and shit,

putting paint job, $11,000 paint job. I was a friend of mine. Um, you know, he had a fucking race car like fucking 15 to 16 a legit race car like fucking fuel you know jet fuel and shit like he spent some good money on it but he is the one who indocturing the race car era in st petersburg florida after that era by one a race car wow yeah so motherfuckers are racing race cars down the street yeah no they're they're tubbing the shits out literally like legitimately they're taking all the extra metal off they're taking the glass off and they're paying for this shit and when you hit that gas boy you stuck i'm talking about you you you you is fucking glued like a NASCAR.

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I'm living with my girl at 14 years old. I'm in a smaller house on the same street just down the street for my mother. Okay. So do you still go back to see her and give her money? Yes, but me and her had a huge fallout because of her boyfriend continuously verbally berating me, you know, calling me the N-word, calling me the wannabes, you know, shit like that. And, you know, I would try to introduce my girl to my mother,

and, of course, my girl was black. Then they'll both have something to say about that. But he really, he drunk out that bush beer and shit. You know what I'm saying? A white boy, he really, you know what I'm saying? A crocker. He's just doing shit for no reason. Like, I ain't tolerating that shit, bro.

I smacked him up a couple times. You know, my mother didn't like that shit. So it's just time to go. he was a real like southern redneck racist what that flag is Confederate flag yeah yeah that shit

yeah all that going on yeah that's a weird area of Florida like the Tampa St. Petersburg on the one hand because I go there a lot now even now it's like there are some cool shit about it you know what I mean it does feel like

diverse and a lot of Dominicans blacks but then you do still have the Confederate shit like you got good old boys there damn that's fucking crazy He did other calling you the N-word. But then did your crew call you the N-word? Yeah. And you're throwing that around too, right?

Absolutely. Yeah. I've recently backed up because I'm so publicized now. I don't want it to damage my brand nor my image. So I try to catch myself. Before, I've never even heard me say it, it's that natural. You understand what? But the internet is good and bad.

You know what I'm saying? For those who don't know me, and you put out the one minute clip and the only thing you hear is me say the end words. You ain't seen a whole hour and a half. You don't know my background. You don't know where I came from. You don't know about the struggle.

And I'm not saying the internet equals out either which way, but it's so much judgment that I try to make sure I'm a very respectful person, and I try to make sure I respect. I'm huge on human compatibility. I don't get a fuck about black, white, or LGBTQ. I don't get for a Muslim, Jew, Christian. I don't care about none of that shit.

If you fuck with me, I fuck with you. If you respect me, I respect you. I don't see none of that shit. We're just all human. So I try to make sure I stay in a respectful space because not everybody is willing to accept, adapt, and or appreciate the authenticity. And that's okay.

You understand what I'm saying? I'm not here to rewrite nobody else's history. But coming up, it's so natural. Right. That's never a problem. Never a problem. Even when I was in prison, we had a couple times where both whites and blacks

like want to go on in the yard and meet by me, you know, throwing the inward around here and now. But they're like, listen, man, we're going to be here a whole day. What y'all want to do? Y'all want to tell this bitch a bear weekend, we can. But this man here, like y'all,

I don't know how to pinpoint who he is. He don't have an identity crisis. He don't have a black sin. He don't act like shit. Man, this man is who he is and this is who he's going to stand on, that's what he's going to be. Then if it's going to be that,

then we're going to have his back. Because he get that from the area that we're from. It's a doctor. Not only did we teach him, but he also, like, but we, listen, y'all want to fight him one-on-one?

Cool, but y'all ain't jumping shit, and y'all ain't stabbing shit. That's it. You know what I'm saying? Y'all want to be, I'm telling you, going to lose. That motherfucker cracker got a while again.

That boy can fight. You better be prepared. But if you jump them, we're going to tear the motherfucker prison down about him. When did you find out that it wasn't, I guess, technically cool as a white person to say that? Recently. Right.

Exactly. On God. Bro, because you don't know any better. You're coming up, you don't have the Internet. Right. You don't understand in the 90s. Your whole environment is black. Right.

How the fuck would you know? You wouldn't. And like I said, I wasn't checked a thousand times in prison behind it. You would think, you know, a person would be checked thousands of times. I wouldn't even, I'm in an all-black TV room. I'm in an all-black car. You know what I'm running with the Muslims? You know what I'm saying?

The white people don't like it? No. But they understand that I chose. I didn't run back and forth between two different sides. I'm not a snitch. I'm not a chow-moor. Came in here on 10 toes. I'm a grown-ass man.

And I'm willing to accept it whatever happens. And if the white people, if you ask me whether there's an Aryanhood, you know, Aryanhood, brotherhood, whatever. They don't like it because they won't, you know, them with them. But at the same time, shit, if he, that's where he going to be. and if there's a race ride, we're going to kill them first. And I understood all that.

You understand what I'm saying? And there wasn't, after that initial confrontation or initiation, it wasn't too bad. You know what I say? It'll be a little slick shit, said, of course.

But, you know, in passing, you know, hey, tell him, how you doing? What's up, Black? You understand, what I'm saying? It ain't charged. You know what I'm saying? He made his choice. Let him live like that.

If we get a race ride, we're going to kill them first. But you can't come between cars. You can't come over and ask her for food. You can't get a phone call. not doing shit when you get locked up in the whole shit. I understand that. Because that's all I know.

But that's all they know. Because you got to remember, they've been locked up 10, 12, 15 years before. I even can't in prison. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, bro, I respect your politics. And I ain't even here trying to play both sides of the fence. I hear you. I respect you.

You know what I'm looking in your face. I clearly hear you. You know what I'm saying? I appreciate you for having this conversation. And I appreciate for us to be meant to have this conversation. You know what I'm saying? I don't know the fucking dude. One of the biker dudes.

He didn't like it, but he was cool. You understand what I'm saying? He was cool. He ain't like it, but he was cool. Like, there was no issue, but there could have been an issue. Like, I could read in his eyes, like, I would kill you, white, boy, if we have a problem out of you. I'm going to be the first. I can see it.

But it's just, like, kind of like he was all right. You understand what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. I feel like it would be, you could take way more shit in the free world than in prison. Because motherfuckers get it, bro. I don't know. I just real, recognized real. Right.

You know, just a word. It is what it is the day. You know what I'm saying? You know, and you've, it's not even like you earned it. I mean, you did earn it, but it's like, that's you. You are an M work. When you get on, when you get up in the morning, you know, you wash your face, you put your clothes on, that's just part of your daily routine.

It's just part of my daily routine. But the internet eats is so much, and I have a great brand. Black label is a household brand. It's in the entertainment industry and professional. professional bodyguard, a professional private chauffe. I got a fleet of black trucks. My list of clients are all A-listers. You know what I'm saying?

For any one, I'm saying, for any of them, you know, celebrities, the artists, to athletes. Like everybody's been sent to all million, as multi-meanor, as investors. So at the end of the day, my story is accepted worldwide, but that one word isn't.

So if I got to remove or reteach myself about that one word to get the message without me saying them, message that I respect what y'all saying and I'm gonna watch what I do in the future on this internet that just shows the masses it speaks volumes about the character and the links that I take to protect that brand and people they see they see and plus you don't want to hurt people's feelings either that's not absolutely not you can you can clean that you know right it's like i don't want you know black people to feel i don't want white all black people to feel you know what I said an old white

He was telling a joke, he was like, you know, he was on state. It was funny as shit. He was like, you know, I like black people. And just for my white people, you know, you can't use the N-word around me just down and the third. And he was like, but when you get called the N-word by a black person, that shit feels so good. You know what I'm saying? But I understood the joke.

You know what I'm saying? It was funny. It said everybody laughed. But it makes sense. Is that my joke? Is that a young stage? It was an old old white dude with some glasses on stage. Oh, okay.

You know what I'm saying? It was pretty funny. But I said, I said this, let it come to you. You don't have to go to you. You feel me? Right. Let it come to you, champ. It's like a girl.

It's like woo and a chick. Just let her come to you. Don't be so desperate. Don't be so desperate. So you had women and your dating these, you know, girls from the neighborhood. And I don't know, man. It's such a fucking crazy thing. And where you know now in your section of St.

is like you're on. He's the man. Black blew up. I had me and Jigavelli, O.G. Gigabella podcast. The one-minute clip I sat down did 12 million views. No shock value, no cars, no money, no women in bikinis. Just me and her conversation. It's crazy to relate that particular conversation to what we're doing now because he said the same thing.

He was like, Brian O'Lon-Latte after sitting down. He said I was apprehensive about. first, but shit, you get the pass for me. But I'm not looking for a pass, bro. You feel what I'm saying? I'm not looking to be accepted. I am who I am. I've been like this. And I'm not saying he was wrong or right, but in the comments,

people would say, I'm invited to the cookout, or I get the pass. I'm just me. I'm authentic. This is how God created me. I came up in a fucked up error in a fucked up time. Had I been over to chose what uterus I was attached to? Absolutely. It wouldn't be that, motherfucker. You understand what I'm saying? And had I been

over to dictate which way I needed to go in it would be at CEO of Procter Gamble, CEO of Johnson & John. It wouldn't be CEO of Crack Air. No, nobody wants that. Nobody, I spun 15 years in prison. It set my life so far back still to that, that mistake I made at 16, 17. It still affects me today at this podcast right now. It still affects me.

Yeah. Do you think you guys were doing it the biggest in St. Petersburg? In our era, yes. Not the biggest, but, you know, back then you had a 1996, six, Microsoft case with Eric Wynn. You know, he's still elusive, whatever the case may be. What was that? What case was that?

Microsoft case? I never heard of it. Yeah, it's one of the biggest. So you had Jed Lee and Wonder Man, and after them, after they left, you had Eric Blue and the crew. Then you had Mike Bowling, Eric Bowling. Then you had around the same time like Terry Lee and Robert Larry. Then you had a couple other small crews. and then right after that, then you had us,

which is the offset from the Microsoft case. We was the New Millennium case. And then after that, you had the X-Con case. And these are all fed cases. These are all fed cases. It's just crack. It's all crack. It's all crack.

It's all. And guns. Right. And again, for those who say, I snitch, I talk too much. These boys are already men, sentence, gone, bitch. I'm talking about they done dead their time came home. We had obesity them case. Like all these boys, like I mentioned their names,

because, brother, they're part of the crack error. They're part of my story. They're part of my error. They part of that black entrepreneur without Jed Lee, without Wonder Man, without Peter Clark, without Chief, without Mr., without, you know, these people, we would not have black entrepreneurship

in St. Petersburg, Florida, had it not been for them. We wouldn't have that today. It was because those leaders of the times with those leaders who was, you know, part of Congress, part of the council members and, you know, family members and stuff like who grew up,

who understand how important it is to, have black entrepreneurship in St. Petersburg. When, you know, it ran back then around, you know, white council members. Back then we had an officer Kurtzinger. He was running for the government or something like that. They ended up running out of town because he was so racist. So we just wouldn't have that today.

We wouldn't have that liberation. We wouldn't have that freedom in our community had it not been for those forefathers. Right. You know, because of the money, because of the intelligence, because of the CEO attitude and aptitude and what it took to get where you needed to be. You know what I'm saying? So now we have the offshoot. and those who are in, you know, council members who are in our city, you know, the black

police officers and, you know, the mayor and shit like that, we wouldn't have that. I'm telling me we wouldn't have that. Wow. Yeah. And that was the crack. Crack dealers. Right. In a way, passed that culture on to where now it's more inclusive.

I get that. When you guys started to make real money, like big money, did the violence go away? No, it increased. Fuck. It increased. Why? Because people are jealous? Yeah, because we took away the plate.

They selling 28 for 12. 52 for 900. Come see me, bitch. Come see me. I'm outdo it every time. I'm outdo it every time. Even if you brought me shit, 8, 850, 875, I take that. I ain't crying.

We make a hand over fist. Okay, so you have people from other neighborhoods coming at you, coming to see you? Yeah, that's cool. It was business. You know what I'm saying? We can't just sell to each other. No, I know, but I meant like jealous crews coming at you trying to like... They'll try to fight us in the club and shit.

You know what I'm saying? The money didn't protect us. It made us more vulnerable in the streets. You know, everybody wanted. Did you get your door kicked in? Did you get, you get robbed? Yeah. Was this when you got kidnapped or was this before?

That's all during the same. Yeah, same process. I came to one of my trap houses and the side door was kicked in. All the product was gone. The money was gone. Whoever did it left me a dollar. left me a dollar bro you know what I'm saying I had to be on purpose it was on purpose it was on I was mad as fuck but you know it's just part of the game how much did you lose on that

shit probably it's an easy lick probably 9-12 thousand oh it's nothing that's nothing but you know it's still an easy league for those who wanted it and and your your connect stayed the the Miami boys or the Miami connect was to connect the whole time on Jamaican shop but so what happened What happened with that was, is I got a little smart, so they wanted the money back within two weeks. So the dude was all right. So what I would do is we already had their money set aside, although we had our product.

We knew how important is to get their money back to them. Not because fear of violence and shit, we just always want to do good business. Like, that's why I want to find out how I was going to reinvent my name and make it into a household name 15 years later, and I did that. The shit was hard to do, but I did it. Because black, the name black, is so structured.

It has so much reference. reputation that had so much integrity behind it. I can't get rid of this name. It carries heavy weight. So back then what I ended up doing was like the OG LIC murdered on the all-shoots from from Jed Lee. They was on 16th Street and 18 Avenue. They had J.A.N. Carl Wash.

The street immediately, where they had a mechanic shop, Phillips Mechanic Shop, that's where all the weight was being held. And then behind it was Prescott Street. Then you had, that's where all the heavy weight was being held back there. Like in different houses? Yeah, different houses, the shop, the car shop, the mechanic shop. Oh, wow. Yeah, so you're paying business owners and people.

No, they owned all that. What I would do is back then you couldn't be white and go there, period. So I would take my partner and we would go together. And what I would do, instead of giving the Jamaica Shia POSA back, their money, for me, I just understood it to be their money. Yes, they're for honest. Yes, we owe them. But if I could get two more weeks out of this, I could take their money, take it to my

partner over here who has weight, get, take, buy that weight, bring it back, cook it up. Now I got his money and more money. If I could do this twice and keep him on the limb, you understand what I'm saying? But they know we're coming back. Right. You see what I'm saying? So I end up just taking their money

flipping that money, getting more money. You see what I'm saying? That's how I already knew. When you talk about capital games, when you're talking about running a multi-million dollar corporation, you're talking about being a CEO, it's moves at 16, 17 years old. That that college is never going to teach. you. So when I say it's more important to know a guy who knows a guy that gets you

further than any degree that you can never have. But they criticize me for being a convicted felon in America and they won't let me in that field. So you you always wanted to be moving money. Yeah. You never wanted to have huge stacks or re-up money because that could be deployed to more product. Right. That makes sense. Because I'm always going to have the money. Right. And you're always going to be able to move the shit. Always. But there's not always going to be the shit because there was a drop that came through in 1999. Really? And we was fucked up.

Really? We was fucked up. How long did it last? That shit here for about damn no, four months. Maybe longer. Dude. Maybe longer, bro. And you're just there burning a whole.

Custies are fucking just, shoo, shoo, it's torture. It's torture. They used to happen in the weed game. Oh, in the year. Absolutely. Because it's the summertime and all, everything got sold.

Yeah. All that shit, the heat. All that shit plays a part. Fuck, bro. Yeah. So there was a huge bus, it sounds like, and your connects just couldn't come through? I don't really know, to be honest with you. It was just a drought everywhere.

I don't really know exactly what caused the drought. It's just a fucking drought. Couldn't get it. And all your connects. And everybody was out. Wow. You know, they hit you with a man, man, come back an hour. It's coming.

It's not coming. It's not coming. You never went out to Cali to try to find a connection? No, too scared. Really? Way too scared. I'm not leaving my neighborhood, bro. When I talk about my Cadillac,

when I was in middle school at 14 years old, you know, back then again, you didn't have registration. You didn't have to, I mean, of course, you had to have a tag, tag, but it wasn't as it is now. Again, when you talk about the flock cameras, you know, the police rolling around 24 or something shit,

it just didn't happen. So now I got a 1984, two-door, El Dorado Cadillac. I'm driving the school with no tag on it. And I got loud music in it. You know what I'm saying? But I'm going from my neighborhood, going through the back streets,

going to 16th Street, coming back home through the back streets. but I'm not just cruising around bitch I'm not going to Tampa in this fucking car yeah and you're talking about flying in California bitch who not me I feel the most safest in my neighborhood so you still even when you were blowing up

and you had keys and things were rocking you just stayed protected in the neighborhood you grew up in and it really was until you started to expand finally that you went down right that's you have you thought about that you're like I could have ran for longer

if I had just had a good another 24 months Because we all had a path that we wouldn't go outside our circle. I was the first dumb ass to go outside the circle. My very path. Where'd you go? I told, well, you know, we was going to open up a new chaplain in Tennessee. So I told a couple of dudes take a couple of, you know, zips, well, a couple of keys up there. They ended up getting pulled over.

I don't know at the time. They ended up, you know, ratting on me. Then St. Petersburg Police Department, they did their investigation. And one thing leads to another DEA, you know, ATF, you know, shit just keeps going on from there. So they never even made it to Tennessee. No, they never made it. There's a lot of money in Tennessee.

I get why you chose to go to them. It's crazy. So when I came home from the feds, I was in a halfway house, and back then you couldn't leave the county, the state, whatever you was at, you had the state remain locally. So I ended up meeting a girl through the call center in Tennessee, in Ashby, Tennessee. She's probably one of the most beautifulest woman I ever seen.

I just got home. Black girl? Absolutely. Absolutely. Just absolutely. I'm talking about my drop-dead gorgeous, bro. Have you ever been? She was so beautiful. I can't even describe the beauty she was. Like, this motherfucker was so pretty, bro. Have you ever been with a non-black girl? I've been with, you know, mixed women, Italian women, shit.

Like I've never had an actually an American ginger-born, real white girl. You understand what I'm saying? Keep it like that. You're funny. He said keep it like that. Keep a gold star. You know, I be trying to, you know, try to figure some shit out of them a little elder. age, you know what I'm saying? But I just, I think, I think that the ideology to white women I appeal to, but they actually like take me home and sit me down and stay there with the

parents. Oh, that's not. That is going to call me. Yeah. Right. Absolutely. I'm going to get it. So what about that? What about that black girl you met? Um, we're talking about Tennessee. Right. So I end up moving up there. So now we have a condo in Tennessee. I'm still in the halfway house. You understand what I'm saying? I ain't supposed to be leaving. this shit. So it's probably about, I want to say probably about a week as me getting ready to leave a halfway house, I shoot up there to see her. Great relationship. So I end up going to the Thorntons one day. And back then, this was on Bell Road in Nashville, Tennessee, exit 53, Antioch. I never forget it. I lived at Cambridge. It's a gorgeous place. So I go to Thorntons.

Man, I see this fucking dude out here hanging out, real, real, like he hanging out. I can tell like, bro, he got it. So I go off fuck with him and shit, man, what's up? You know, I like a car, so we get to talk and shit. So he's selling weed. So I'm like, shit, bro, what you know, what you're trying to do? You're like, shit, I could get whatever, you know, I could take whatever you can stand. So I met some, I met a plug in the joint in the feds, some messkin through Mexicans and all that old shit.

So, um, shit, I came home. I bought 10 pounds and two keys. So by the time I came home, bro. After 15 years in the feds. I ain't have no choice, though, bro. I ain't have no choice. I needed a car. I needed a house.

I need the glasses. I need the glasses. I need clothes. I need apartment. Bro, they send me to work at you fit behind the fucking, bro, this is $5 something dollars an hour, bro, plus commission. This is not know what the fuck I need. Bro, that's not preparing me, bro.

Then I'm going into goodwill and buying clothes. And I'm not saying it's a bad thing. But God damn, bro, what the fuck? I'm supposed to do this shit for the next 10 years? It's not going to happen, bro. It's not going to happen, bro. And I knew it wasn't going to happen. I ain't got nobody.

There's no family home. Bitch ain't no couch. Ain't no auntie. Ain't no grandmama. Ain't none of that. That shit gone. You better get your ass out here and get you some money and sit the fuck down when you do.

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we follow the money. Learn more at Bloomberg.com. So you had 10 pounds of weed and two bricks. When I went out there, though, fucking with the dude, he ain't a big ass fucking, he ain't them getting shot at the fucking thorns in front of me and all this shit like a few months later. But it was a fucking huge investigator.

It was all over the fucking place. But you got it off, though. Huh? Oh, yeah, I got them off. Yeah, me and the girl, we was real cool. And then I was telling that story because when I came home, it's like when I first, you know, jumped on the porch and kissed the young girl when I was 12.

Like, I just came off the porch and started fucking with the girl. But we ended up having a good relationship. And she ended up moving back down here to Florida with me. And she and them getting homesick and depressed. So I sent him back up to Tennessee to her mom and her father's house. I never seen her again. Wow. Yeah.

Wow, she helped you get on your feet. Yeah, she helped me with understanding the point in banking. She helped me understand the point of what it was to manage your money. She showed me no point about, because she worked for Bank of America. She was a financial accountant. So she was really hands-on with me when first come home. How long were you moving product? after you came home?

Was it just at one run? Just at one run. Okay. Yeah, I just wanted. I just needed some money, bro. I went and didn't even really want to do the shit, bro. But after 15 years and then when I came to St. Pete, nobody knew me.

I was walking through the neighborhoods and the streets and trying to rekindle, you know, in the store. He just started, nothing. Nobody knew me. How crazy is that? It's very crazy. Everybody was gone. Everybody was gone. There was nobody.

There was no barbecue. There was no money. There was no car. There's no nothing waiting on me. So where did all the, the homeboys go, either dead or they were locked up. Everybody's dead and in prison. Yeah.

Or had dead more fair time and then, you know, moved on with their life, whether it was Atlanta or, you know, you just. Did it get gentrified? To the max. Yeah. Right now, to this day. They probably had something to do with it, too. People moved away.

Mm-hmm. Wow. Yeah, that, um, when I first came home to see, the little white kids in my neighborhood with the airphones in their head on a skateboard, fuck me up. Fuck me off. You pull them aside and say, I really wanted to. I was very close.

I had to, I had to remind myself. I said, mind your business, bro. You ain't healed to be warning people about their own death. Let them people experience that shit, bro. But it never happened. Of course not. Of course not. But I couldn't, that shit fucked me up so bad to see them white people out there

walking their dog at 10 o'clock at night. You know what we was doing out here at 10 o'clock at night later? Yeah, your face would have been gone. They had no respect because you was a woman or not. It's just part of life. Yeah. Yeah, you saw so much violence, experienced so much of it from the time you were like four years old.

No, way before then. For my mother. Yeah, that's what I mean. Yeah, right two, three years old. I can remember it. You were a baby into the streets, then doing your own work with your crew, and then you were in the feds.

Yeah, the feds. That's violent. The feds was violent. You know what I mean? So for people that haven't seen your story, haven't heard your story, it was a whole federal indictment based off of the guys that were bringing up

your cocaine to Tennessee. You sniffed it out pretty quickly. Oh, no, no. I didn't. You didn't. At all. Oh. That was the problem.

The new guy. The fucking new guy. Go into it. So, you know, again, they get into the WootWW Exchange phone number, so he ended up calling me and say, you know, he was in the city, whatever, he was looking for some weight. La, la, la. I'm like, what you want.

He's like, man, I get an ounce or so. I'm like, yeah, that's cool, because that's what the average cell was. right there and what's the ounce, because that's who we was pushing. So, you know, that shit going for four or five months and shit, and you know what I mean?

We're talking and we're trying to figure out where this dude's coming from and why the fuck he keep coming to get this weight. So I asked him, man, what the fuck you're selling all the coke at, bro? Like, what the fuck you got going on? You're like, oh, I'm up in all.

Clearwater. I'm on Greenwood. Back then, they had already clean greenwood up, bro. You're lying. I know you lying, bro. So I called a partner. I said, man, what's going on in Greenwood?

He said, yeah, Black, you know, we ain't doing that shit. into the Martin Luther King or parking shit like that. Moneforkers wasn't up that that store, selling dope no more. Fuck no black. But then I had so much shit going on in my life between the girls and my girl and, you know, on the kidnappers and the violence and the drugs. It just slipped my mind because I'm so busy with everything else.

I can't focus everything on one thing, you know. But it was a red flag. It was huge. So again, you know, as the story moves along, I'm getting ready to sell him some major weight. And then my partner, he looked at him. He said, man, where you going? I said, bro, I'm going to go take this dude.

You know, these ounces in this, um, SKS. He was like, bro, don't do it. What's that SKS? SKS is, um, uh, uh, like a Draco, AK. It's the same thing. He's just called the SKS. With the long-ass clip. Had you been selling guns before?

Yeah, absolutely. We had, we had a white boy named Mark. He was in a military, ex-military. He owned like a biker shop or something. You know what I'm saying in the city. So everybody just know to go to Mark to get everything you need. Okay. So what kind of guns did you guys have? Right everything you can think of. One of my most infamous guns that was in the indictment

was a Korean military shotgun. That was one of the most infamous that's in the paperwork that synonymous about, yeah, that bitch has so many bumps and lumps and bruises and shit hanging out of it and muffles and, man, that bitch was like an army tank green. That bitch was big as fuck, heavy as fuck. Man, it's the first time. I want to say if it wasn't automatic, that bitch was semi. I remember pulling the trigger one time and like Three of them bitches will come out. Pum, ptum, pull that trigger again. And that bitch, fucking, boom.

Oh, fuck. Yeah, we had some, we had some fucking, I had an Israel military issued Desert Eagle Blue Series. That's a great gun. Bro, one of the fucking best guns. Huge, huge. Huge fucking cannon, bro. I can remember pulling that bitch one day,

and I'm pulling that bitch, and I'm pulling that bitch. I'm trying to point the motherfucker. I can't even get the bitch out. You know what I'm saying? I'm steady pulling this bitch. I'm looking at this motherfucker. I'm trying to point this bitch. They're like, God, damn, bitches, you're going to cut.

That bitch was long and head had that triangle. You got to lift weights before you fucking pull that out. I remember that shit. Wow. Shit was wild, bro. So you guys were just asking for it. Like, it's so much crap. Yeah, they had to get us out of the neighborhood.

I ain't one left. They had to stop it. They had to stop it, bro. Do you feel like you guys didn't have any direction the way that cracked dealers in more established ghettos, New York, Baltimore, places where you got OGs that are like, no, no, you can't have all this guns with the crack, with the money.

We were too far gone. We weren't in Lehman, listen to it anyways. Really? Too far gone. Just the ego. Yeah, the ego gone, ego being cooked. Because you gotta remember what we started out is doing this shit for a purpose.

We lost the purpose, bro. It's just all pain. There is no purpose no more. What was the purpose? To get out. We never got out. We stayed. We lost focus, bro.

We lost all the way around the board. And then we came home. They released us back into the same area. Yeah. Well, hopes of us not doing it again. I made a post one time. Well, recently, the same thing that went viral. Me and OG Gigabelle,

St. Petersburg Police Department commonly underneath my post and say, we are so glad that he is home and doing the right thing and has pain and the purpose. We're so glad that he's not out here doing the same thing. We're so glad I could show it to you in my phone.

St. Petersburg Police Department. So I made that much bigger of an impact than the 25 that you have a veteran who was on the force then, it's on the force then. He's on the force now. He said, he said, I'm St. Petersburg Police Department, veteran.

And we're so glad that he's out here preaching the pain and the purpose and trying to make a big difference in the same community he poised and now he protects. That's a huge impact. What do you think you should have done with the money.

How much money do you think you made at your height? Oh, shit. They hit me out my house like $250,000. I still got the newspaper clipping on my phone. 250 Gs? You probably made way more than that. Because you got to figure out that. I got all the gold.

I got all the gym. My girl, she got literally she got 14-carried gold fingernails. Like I have to actually gold metal. You know what I'm saying? There ain't no plastic shit. No, this what the fuck she, yeah. She got the macaron bracelets back then. She got the big X and O, the biggest shit.

in the world. Like, you know what I'm saying? All this gold is, yeah, the whips. We got convertibles. I got, fuck, a blue van. I got a fucking Cadillac. I got another Cadillac. I got, it's crazy.

Guns out the ass. Yeah, so you probably made a million bucks. Yeah, at least. You made the Connect a lot of money. Definitely did. I hope he sees this one day. Man, give me some of that shit back. Did he stay out?

I don't know. I don't know what happened. So, let's finish this up, because I just think it's just so rare, and it's a treat, you know, because I talk to a lot of rats on this show. All due respect. You know, a lot of mob guys or whatever,

some drug dealers, but you, this guy you're selling to back and forth keeps picking up ounces of crack from him. Right, right. He's a Fed. He is. Is he a Fed or is he working for the fed? No, he undercover, St. Petersburg Police Department.

Ah, okay. Undercoat. But he's working with the DEA. With the DA and ATF to bust me. How much has he bought from you up to this point? Shit, I don't even know, bro. A lot? It was probably about 10 ounces or more.

Yeah. That'll do it. That'll do it with the guns. Because 10 ounces, that's 280 grams of crack. Well, my indictment, or what I played out to was 50 to 500 grams of crack. And then some other smaller charges, like telecommunication devices, some type of money laundering fraud or some shit, not fraud, but it was like it had something to do with receiving money for our instrument,

some shit like that. And then I had 11 charges on the indictment. They ended up pleading out. How many people were on the indictment? I started out with 14. So it was you, your whole crew? Yes. And then who else?

Just, you know, the people who just got rounded up in the drag. Right. You know, some of the people were, you know, workers and stuff. There was an offshoot. They weren't just our inner circle or five or six. There was just people who just around working, you know, got caught up on phone calls and shit. So do they have wiretaps? Yes, on the phones.

They have you? Yes. Did they get guns? They got the SKS. Yeah. And then they end up charging because I didn't rat. and then they and them coming back and supersede indicting me on 924C

construction possession and furtherance of a drug trafficking crime gave me five more years because I didn't agree to rat on those who was going to trial. That's what's fucking crazy, bro, is you should have, you had no, all your fucking recklessness, all your crime, all your shooting and drug dealing

and fucking pistol whipping, whatever the fuck, you had no criminal record. No criminal record. And now you got this huge, federal indictment. I do. So you should have done... Like I say, you know, I tell the story.

They definitely said I was facing 40 to 60. That was actually when they took me, you know, off my couch and into the federal courtroom the same hour. And then, you know, like I was telling somebody, oh, how are you facing 40 to 60? You told back... And again, I'm going to talk about Mike. I don't know what the fuck they do now. I don't have a new case, brus.

I don't know what they're doing 2026. Back when I got knocked off, they would tell you these huge numbers to scare you. It was theatrical. The judge is way up here. You got all these people in the courtroom you've never seen. You got the DA in the suit and tie. You know what I'm saying? You got the fucking DA who just knocked you off.

And now you got a jacket on telling the, you know, the judge about all the violent shit you don't did. And then, you know, they say, you know, you're looking at 40 to 60. And when I tell that story, people are like, oh, you got sent us to 40 to 60. You're fucking right. Listen to the story, dumb ass. This is what the fuck they were doing to scare you to get. Because the next thing they do when they pull you in the back in handcuffs, they say, hey, you know what I'm saying? You face a 40 to 60.

We're going to give you a chance to, you know, work that time off. We're going to get you down. We're going to get you down. It's all fucking with your mind, bro. You just got knocked off. You don't know what the fuck to believe or think, bro. So I just think for those, like you said, the best who've never ever been faced

or in a federal courtroom for you to get on a platform or to comment on the shit that you'll never experience on the day of your life, you're oblivious. Yeah. Yeah. No, so did they want your connect in Miami? Mm-hmm.

And they knew you guys were going down there to pick up, right? Yes. So it wouldn't have been good enough for you and all your co-dees to just telling each other. Would you have done that? No. Fuck, no. Because I'm just thinking from a lawyer now,

and I'm trying to get my clients the best time. If everybody's on the indictment, why don't we all just say we all sold to each other and have that count as cooperation, and then we all get time cuts? Well, I think because the weight of the amount of the crack, and back then it was a war on drug, not just as really a war on crack,

it was one to 100. Right. So that was fucking extreme. The old cracker. Clause. Yeah. Bitch didn't want all that weight. You understand what I'm saying you ain't want to be talking about what you did.

Yeah. Fuck, no, that's why I just want to plea. Whatever you say you got me, what I can understand in my mind and see me on camera and what that weight is and know what I saw. I want to plead out to what the fuck you got, I got caught with. I don't want nothing else to do with nothing else. And that's how I ended up was able to plea on it. You got to figure on first time offender. There's no, you know, criminal record, you know, shit like that.

And then by time you get through, you accept your plea, you get three levels of downward departure, then you get a safety bow. That's another two points off. You know, it just, it starts, you know, you're able to back it up without telling. And then, you know, and then when they had the attention and thought that I was going to go and tell,

you know what I'm saying? I came off of like, I want to say 20 or 22 down to 10. You know what I'm saying? But again, I ain't talking about telling or the promise of telling for an extra. It's just how the time, you can only sentence me what the fuck you caught me with. Right.

And if you're talking about 50 to 500 grand, if you look at the statute back then, five to one, it's only 10 years. Mandatory. So you were ready to give me that 10. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And then it was like, you know, you're going to tell on your partners. I'm not telling on them. So they thought I was bullshit, you know, in the wake of.

And then when they come back to get me to testify on them, I'm not going. Two weeks later, they came out with a supersede indictment. So that was the assistant U.S. attorney that had it out for you, right? Right. And he had it out for me because my and my paperwork. And on the recordings, I'm saying shit, like old pussy ass, cracker, fuck you, cracker, you suck my dick, cracker, cracker, cracker, cracker, cracker, cracker,

you see what I'm saying? I'm calling the police and all this shit. You know what I'm saying? I got this fucking mouth on me. You know what I'm saying? Pussy ass, bitch I ain't, bitch, I got a pay lawyer, bitch, I get the fuck about it. I'm just running my mouth, bro.

Don't even know what the fuck. So, of course, the white prosecutor don't understand my error, my violence. He don't have to, but for the conversation, that made it worse. It's racism. It's racism. It's fine.

It's welcome to America. That's so fucked up, bro. Yeah. And so they come at you and say, you don't want to tell, here's a superseding indictment, but what was that indictment from? If it's different than your guys' indictment.

You got me. What the fuck? You got constructive possession, which means that there's a gun somewhere around in this neighborhood, somewhere underneath this roof, somewhere in a car we magically found his gun, and it's yours. And your attorney is.

You can look it up. 924C, constructive possession of a firearm and furtherance of a jury trafficking crime. Constructive, but that constructive possession is a key word. You wouldn't even have to have the bitch. A motherfucker that said they've seen you with it.

That's constructive possession. And your attorney didn't think you guys could beat it at trial? My attorney said, right, bitch, just go. Just get the fuck out of your work because you fucked up. Wow. Take it.

Or go get on that stand. Yeah. I can't go get on stand. The reason why it's not even in me to be undergone. I'm such a responsible individual. Even back, even when I was young, I was very responsible for my own actions. It made no sense to me to tell on the same very people who helped me get where I am. It made no sense for us to struggle and cry together and watch our mama's band together

and try to do better for us for me to turn around and rat on a bunch of people when all this shit is my fault, bro. All this shit is my fault. I have my own mind. Them people ain't kidding at me and make me sell no drugs. So what the fuck I'm going to tell them? It just didn't instill to this day. It don't make no sense.

But I will tell you this, for the record, though, if me and you're in a car, and I say, hey, man, don't bring no gun in this car while we out, you know, hop bar, and we get put on it, and it's a gun on this car. Oh, yeah, bitch. Yeah, run that. I'm going to jail.

I promise you I ain't going to jail. I promise you, I promise you. What? Bitch, I ain't going to jail for you? And I'm not saying I'm a sniff, but I'm telling you now that when they ask, Hey, who gun is that? Br, it ain't mine.

On God, bitch, I'm a little riot at you. You know, when they put us in this sale, you know we're going to have them, because that ain't mine. And I'm not going down for that, bitch. I guarantee you I'm not. So I'm not in the game, though. You see, I'm a taxpaying civilian now. You see what I'm saying? The times are different.

I'm not doing that. Did any of your partners or anybody in your crew tell? Um, I want to say this. Without, with keeping respect on everything. to happen. That 14-man indictment spawned out to 62. That 62 spawned out to 105. That 105 spawned out to like 500 and something people within like a 24-month period. Get the fuck out of here. They took the whole neighborhood. Listen, you can go with this. It's on one of them newspaper clippings. You can go back and see 500 people are arrested in a period of time in St. Petersburg,

Florida for drugs and shit. All feds. Or some of the state. Some of a fed. Not everything. was fake okay right right right but the state and from from 1996 to 2002 i will say this st petersburg police department ATF and our DEA worked really really well to clean that up from 1996 to 2002 you know there's nothing else after that you know the real estate developers were like we got we need you guys to we need you guys to take the whole fucking neighborhood out right now i would never do what i did again it ain't even the fact that i'm i'm just old i understand the system You know what I'm saying? There was more ways, there was more than one ways to get some money.

I just didn't know. I was uneducated. I had an entrepreneurship grind an entrepreneurship mind, and it took me under. Wow. He stood tall, man. Good for you. You did the full 15? Day for day.

Not a break. So you lost some good time. I did. Yeah, I was in the fucking the CEOs. I was in there beating the police up and shit. Were you fucking the CEOs? Yeah. Black girls?

Black girls. I had my counselor, I think she was, she was German or something like that. You know what I'm saying? But a little older, you know, her skin color was, you know, like my fair skin. She's like German or something like that. And then, you know, I was fucking on and there's two other people who was fucking on and shit like that. You were fucking your counselor?

I was fucking the, um, the chaplain secretary. Yeah. She happened. People say, people say, I'm lying, but it'd be female CEOs or CEOs, they get up and then come and they'd be arguing. That man, they're lying. I was in correctional for 20 years. Seen it. Nobody.

Yeah. They're going. Nice. They're going. They're going. They're going. Absolutely. Yeah. If you look, you took. Absolutely. I wonder why it just happens all the time.

They do. I guess it's because you work and your... Shit, you, you 50 hours in this bitch with me. Right. I got more time with you than your husband and your boyfriend. For sure. And then my mouthpiece so slim, that's so much silver. Silver time.

I'm going to tell you shit you never heard of it because there ain't nobody paid that much attention. to you like I do. I got time. I could go read a book and tell you some shit you ain't ever heard. I could write you a poem. I could tell you shit that's going, you know, sweet lull about you. And plus I look good. You know what I got this tan? I got this big edge. I'm coming in, I'm coming in your office with some, with some, with some, with my gray sweats on. You know, my pool halfway down around my ass, my band up, my chest out, my arms big. Yeah. Your dick. Does your dick look good in sweatpants?

Great. Looks fucking great. I'm like a red bull can. Ah, nice. Yeah. So, you know, it's it's, it's, oh, yeah. Yeah, it sticks out. So it's the, it's really the width. Right, it's the girth. Yeah. So, you know, you're just going there, you know, key, key, ha, whatever it can be. You know what I'm saying? Feel it out.

Talk about music. Talk about food. You know what I'm saying? She ain't told me to get out yet. She, you know what's next? Pull that dick out. Put that bit right on the desk. Yeah.

I know what you're looking for. Don't truck. We're going to make this shit real quick. Yeah. So that's how you break the ice. That's you just. Because the only two things are going to lock you up, but she's going to eat that bitch up. One or two.

Right. One or two. Right. But you're not, you're not catching, like, a charge if she goes, no. No, no. It's a jacking charge. They're going to give you some diesel therapy. You're going to compound. You're going to try your hand again. Bitch I got 15 years. I'm going to do this shit how I want to do it, day for date. Did you? And that was just to get pussy. It wasn't to get them to, like, bring you into. Oh, eventually it turned into one of the last COs I had was a nice run of bringing in contraband and shit into the prison. Hell yeah. Yeah, it was a cologne, sunglasses, tank tops, Nike size. Polo shit like that. Shit that you can't get is what makes us the most money.

And that's a good hustle. They own beard tremors was one of my best hustles. No shit. Yeah, because they'll take the motor out of the beard trimmels and make them a tattoo gun. Right. So that motor is priceless. It's priceless.

They can make any amount of money. So what do you charge? Shit, I can go in between $250 to $500. They're depending on who selling. If you're the top gunner, yeah. You're going to pay top price. You need this motherfucker. And I'm the only one can get it.

only one. $500. $500. And they buy it for $30 bucks at Walmart. Oh, I'm pretty sure. If that. You know what I'm saying?

I have a pretty good some shit coming like like a brand. Like I remember a wall. I remember, you know, Gillette shit like that. I remember some good brands

come through. That's the smartest prison hustle. I've never even heard of that. Right. And the dudes in the feds got money. Oh, they got Boku money. It's so many hustles in the feds. It's unreal.

Like I can't even describe to the amount of money on these compounds is endless. And when I told the story about when I made the pizzas, everybody like, that's not possible. That's not, bro, you wasn't there. I haven't heard of this story. So, so, Super Bowl Sunday, I made like 50 pizzas, I don't know, maybe 100 pizza. I can't really recall. But anyway, long story short, I saw each piece for $50. So I made probably about $7 grand just in that one Sunday. But people say, I'm lying. But people who've been in the feds to understand exactly what I'm saying. You see what I'm saying? So what is that? So what is that? You were able to

get your hands on dough and the no so so you back then there's no limit back then on what you could buy the commissary there was no limit if you had $2,500 and you spent $2,500 on commissary that was it but now there's limits you know you could only spend $300 a month you can only buy like two packs of burritos one thing of cheese back then they wouldn't do none of that shit whatever the fuck you want to buy they sending that shit down that shoe so I go you know and then I had other people who are like all three of us all sellies or whatever case may be or you know you're on the tear with me. I'd be like, man, my girlfriend sends you a hundred. My girl, going to send you a hundred. My girl,

going to send you a hundred. This is what I need. You're going to keep 25. I need $75 commissary. $75 commissary, send a five commissary, send a five car. You see what I'm saying? So now you got $25 to yourself. So now you're going to go get all the shit that I need. Then I got my kitchen runners, who they in their fucking the kitchen COs, so the kitchen COs is letting them out the side, though, because whenever you used to come out of the front of the kitchen, the COs sit in front of you to pat you down. So they let them out the side,

though, you know, when they white's on from the kitchen, they got soccer socks on, they got cheese, bell peppers, onions. You understand what I'm saying? Tomatoes right here. You see what I'm saying? A bag of cheese here, a bag of cheese here. And it's wrapped up with cellophane. You see what I'm saying?

But if you're not there... What about the sauce? The sauce is made from... You get a can of tomato sauce. At the kitchen, they had the big can open on the stainless steel table, like a restaurant. So, you know, you peel the can open. So what they do is they pour it in a bag. Because they're not just using...

this for my tomato paste on Super Bowl Sunday, they've been doing this shit for years before I even got to the yard, but they're making a hooch, wine out this shit. You see what I'm saying? So now I'm just doing everybody. I'm just buying the bag of, you know, tomato paste and then sending people over into the store to get, you know, salsa and barbecue sauce and all the shit that I need, you know what what I'm saying to make my shit? And then back then somebody said, well, where'd you cook it at? We have microwaves. Then somebody else said, there's no microwaves. Bro, what the fuck be wrong with y'all, bro? There's definitely, I know that. There's definitely motherfucking might, there's a microwave room, bro.

It's like six of these motherfuckers. But because I was so well known and everybody had to come to me, I was the hustle man, the consular air on the compound for everything you could think of. So I got a lot of juice, not just a little juice. So, you know, I got these microwaves. You know, I got a microwave in the cell. You don't like, bro, I'm rocking and rolling. You understand what I'm saying?

So, bro, it's like your crack house. It's just like the crack. Entrepreneurship at its finest. So you got all that on Super Bowl Sunday. Right. Heller runners. It's 2,500 people on the compound, bro. Right.

Makes sense. Understand what I'm saying. 2,500 people on the compound, bro. Everybody in this motherfucker got money. You go out back to the poker table. Bro, the chips probably big as that motherfucker fucking playing. Pover chips. Thousands of dollars.

A bitch ain't playing. They're paying. They're paying. They ain't no problem. Nobody got a problem paying. It ain't no weight to the mall. I'm calling my girl on the phone. You're going to get it in 10 minutes.

It's a mini city, bro. It is. Everything you can think of. It is a city. It's its own city. It's an apartment complex. So you killed them. Killed them.

With the pizzas. With the pizzas. So basically, the bigger bank rule you have in prison, it's all... The comfortable you're going to live. Obviously, but it's like, I mean, like, if you got a couple thousand bucks, you could make huge shit happen. Big shit. Wow. They're buying one cigarette for $25.

Right. You know, a chapstick cap. You know, when you take it off and I'm small, that little cap is packed. That little cap is packed with marijuana for $20, $25, $35, depending on where you're at. The black guys got it, right? Everybody got it. Did you ever get Bud? Did you ever have like a line on?

That wasn't my thing. That wasn't my thing. You know, everybody else had it. You know, everybody got their own shit. You had the bookie. You had the weed man. You had the wine man. You had the pornography man.

Then you had me, the Casigliad. I'm the go-to guy. And that means what? You come see me for everything you need. Doesn't matter what it is. Besides, you know, those cornered markets, of course, because I don't deal with that. But when you talk about shoes, when you're talking about a brand new, like you're going to visitation, you want brand new uniform. You come to me.

You know, I got my guys who work in R&D. So when you first come in R&D, they take the shit that people come in with and they throw it in the trash or they throw it in the bin. So now you work R&D. I've already, you already on my tab, what they call that shit? Yeah, you're on my payroll. You feel what I'm saying? I just pay you to come bring me all the shit that you can. Did the people come and, you know,

smuggle it out? They smuggle it out. It's other people's shit. Yeah. And then you're going to get them right. Right. Visiting. Right.

What other kinds of shit? Dog, you know who you're like? Morgan Freeman from Shawshank Redemption. You've seen that? Vaguely. I'll get you anything you want. A bag of Rifa? Yeah.

That was Morgan Freeman. Yeah. Whatever fuck you want. I just didn't. My thing was to keep me out of trouble, I stayed away from pornography. I stayed away from the wine. I stayed away from the weed.

I stayed away from the gambling. Stayed away from the drugs. Five biggest things are going to get your head knocked off. But I had bigger plans, though. That shit was small to me. That's middle school. If I could lock this bitch down with some shit that they can't get. See what I'm saying?

That's what my market is. And then I was always friends with the bookie. Because the bookie run the yard. He got all the money on the yard. So what he would do is we'll make it align me. He won his money. I would pay him his money. But what he do is whoever lose on his gambling table,

he sent them to me. So if you got a gold cross or a wedding ring or something like that or some cardiades or glasses, I pay you whatever you owe him, $300, you give me that shit. You don't get my money, your shit gonna be circled around this motherfucker somewhere

for $5, $700. Know that. And you ain't gonna fuck with me and you ain't gonna fuck with me because that's just how the operation. This is our economy. Right. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, it's like a pawn shop. There's the money lender. Right. I feel like if you're a money lender, in prison, you got to be willing to, like, go do some work, though, if they don't pay you or send somebody to do it, right? Rare. We had an incident where, and again, people say I'm wrong.

Bitch, I don't mean knowing what the fuck than people is. MS-13, I said Mexican. They say I'm lying. They say MS-13, eight Mexican. Listen, these motherfuckers spoke Spanish. They were short-haired black hair, and they claim to be MS-13, motherfucker. Now, whether they're Honduras, Dominican, what the fuck ever, bitch, but story is real. That's what the fuck happened.

We got into the motherfucking shit with them. You understand what I'm saying? We was in D-Block in South Carolina, Estelle, South Carolina. One of my partners, he blacked, he gave the motherfucking Air Force One to the MS-13, Spanish, Mexican, Dominican, Honduran. Whatever the fuck y'all want to say in the comments. The dude didn't pay him. He went to go get the shoes back. The two Mexicans, the clan MS-13, jumped on him.

He'd come to the wreck, y'all, come get us. We go down in D-Block, beat all that shit up. I get stabbed 12 times by four Mexicans. The warden coming in that. They spray everything with Mace. We don't tow the whole fucking unit up. They take everybody to the shoe. They grabbed me and the Mexican shot caller and Ali.

They take us all, you know, they were trying to take me in an infirmary, but I didn't need to go. You know, they poked me up, but it was with plastic, the little plastic coat hankers that they sell in commissaire. Oh, okay. So it wasn't a fucking. Yeah, it ain't like a whole, like, slab of steel. Yeah, it wasn't a bone crusher.

So I'm sitting there. Yeah, I'm bleeding and shit through my shirt, but it ain't like, it's major. You know, they want, of course, I went to the first. But we all in the wardens office. Warren trying to figure this is the black warden. Great fucking warden, one of the best ones I've ever been around. He really understood the politics of prison. He understood being humanitarian.

He understood like, I really wish I could find him, and I really wish he could teach a program how to be a warden. He was the best fucking warden ever, bro. Not on a hot shit, not on the flaming shit, bro. Just on some real mental strategy on how to play chest in prison, bro. Fucking badass fucking warden.

They locked us all up. The MS-13 shot caller found out that one of the dude lied, which got everybody in the uproar, went back and told them that, quote-unquote, you know, the black dude, the N-word stole the Air Force Ones, and that's why they jumped them. That's not the case. And once they found out what the real case was and he started all that shit, and got everybody fucked over, they ended up getting that dude.

They killed them. Oh, it wasn't no running off of the yard. It was like... They killed them. They stabbed him up? Yeah, bone crushing. There wasn't no plastic shit then. Yeah, they killed that boy.

Yeah. It's all kind of fun until... Somebody get hurt. And I say, that's the reality in life. It's all fun of games. That somebody get hurt. They ran up in a cell or something? I don't really know what happened.

I just know. You just hear about it. No, no, we know. They killed them. I don't know what they killed them. I don't know what happened. I don't have another yard. I don't know.

But they killed that boy by playing. But that's what they do. Yeah, it's... When people get killed in the feds, it's usually by their own, right? Right. It's usually by their own. Well.

And you said, like, every week of the life flight would be coming. Yeah, that was in USP. Yeah, absolutely. You could see them flying down and shit in the yard up from your window and shit. And they would land in the yard. Yeah, on the wreck yard. Damn. And they just fucking.

Yeah, willing to do that. Get them up out of you, going to the hospital. What USP were you having? Oh, Coleman. Coleman 1. They didn't have Coleman 2 back then. So now you got in Coleman, you got Coleman 1, Penn, Colman 2. being Coleman medium, Coleman low,

and then you got Colman camp for the girls. The girls are down in the camp. And what about your mother this whole time? Did you ever, did you stay in touch with her? Yeah, she came and visited me a couple times, but it was so standoffish. It wasn't nothing we really didn't talk. She'd sit in there for like four or five hours.

We'll take a picture or whatever, but it wasn't nothing really talk about. This is really off and hard, you know? Yeah. And then, wow. So I guess that relationship just kind of. Doing it on its own, you know, I came home and nothing was the same. You know what I'm saying?

When I first came home, I had, you know, some of my partners and shit in front of my mom's house. I was coming and meet me. It was probably about sending my, you know, street friends who never went to prison and shit. They went on to school and coaching the high school and, you know, stuff like that, you know, good fellows and shit like that. So, and then I can remember out of the fellowship and I could see her in the doorway through the screen door, like, looking like, you know, like he's never going to learn. He's going to do the same shit. He's just a waste of my time.

I wish I would have. I could read, you know, that edge. I could see her eyes burning into me. So when I walked in the house, it wasn't even about like, you know, I love him. I'm glad you're home. You know, we're going to rekind a relationship. You know, you can live here, you know, whatever we have to do. She said, why are you so black?

Why do you want to be black so bad? What is it about black people that you like so much that you want to be that black? She said, your favorite color is black, your name is black, your friends are black. Why? I told the man, I want you to rest easy, and some things don't need the explanation. And I walked out. And that was it. That was it.

Have you forgiven your mother? You can't forgive nothing like that. That's the first woman who you're supposed to receive love from. That's the first person where you learn emotion. That's the first person where you learn dictation and who's. you were supposed to be. Your mother is supposed to give you a love

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I do. Serafo. It is. It is. And people in the comments when I speak like this, they say, I'm a pussy. I blame my mother. I'm a stand-up. You can't be stand-up nothing if you're two years old.

You can't be a stand-up man at 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 19. When you're receiving that type of mental, verbal, and physical abuse. So how can you ridicule me in the comments when I say, no, I don't forgive her. It's her fault. You put me, you had a chance. Every day, every human being who's going to see this podcast around the world, They wake up with two Cs, a chance and a choice. That's what we wake up with every day.

It's up to you to choose what your chance is going to be. And she didn't. She didn't get that second job. She didn't get that education. She didn't pursue a better lifestyle for me because she was comfortable and content with what she wanted to do, smoke or weed, get fucked, get drunk, neglect me. And abuse you.

And abuse me. So how the fuck is my fault. can't blame me. I'm a fucking kid. I would have brought that, yeah. If I was your lawyer, I mean, this is all got to be presented before. It was, but they don't know your fault by that shit.

We was too far in the dope game and we had too much money. So they were right, I could have left. To a certain degree, of course, it's my fault. You know what I'm saying? When I start, no one in understanding, yeah. But you can't blame me for getting on a podcast and saying, man, it's my mother's fault.

not when I was born here. Now when she didn't take the right correction and direction to change this shit because she too had all demons that she couldn't fight off. Did you enter into some kind of therapy when you were in the joint? No, never. Still to the state, no. For what?

You know what? Good. For what, bro? It's going to make no difference. What about... Yeah, you know what? It makes no difference, bro. It makes no difference, because what?

Does it feel good, though, I guess, to talk it out? No. Has telling your story? My story, from paying the purpose or what I've been through and where I sit on this couch with you today, yes. But the dark side, no. Because it's not going to, who the fuck are you to tell me some shit you read in the textbooks that's going to change my mind about a dead woman

and going to any other relationship where a woman say she loved me but turn around and fuck my friend? What are you going to tell me? What are you going to tell me? I'm going to pay you $175 to tell you something wrong with me because that person broke my trust. Fuck out of here.

I ain't doing it. Has your horrible relationship with your mother? Has it affected your relationship with women? Now I'm turning this into a therapy. Yeah, no doubt, right? I want to say no, because I have enough common sense to rationalize when I'm being, unappreciative.

So I have, everybody goes from being a victim to a participant in that era. So the first time your wife or your girlfriend beat the shit out you, that's domestic violence. You say you stay, you love it, you gonna work it out. She whoop your ass again. You stay, you're gonna work it out, you love her. The third time she whoop your ass and you don't leave

and this is her conduct, you have accepted her conduct, allowed her to teach you that it's okay for her to treat you like that. Now you are officially a fucking participant. And I ain't got nothing else to talk about after that. I don't want to hear that crying ass shit. You stay, motherfucker.

You stay. Anybody can leave. And I'm not saying whether or not it's hard or not because I would never be raped in any relationship. Nobody going to never rape me. So I don't know how it is for a woman to be raped and how it changed the emotions in the brain. I can't speak about that.

But what I can speak about is whenever you know as a grown person you're being abused, you can leave. There is proper guidance in our life, whether it's the police or when they're hunter number, a 911, or 211, or 211. or six or one. You know what I'm saying?

There's places on the job. They got the shit that's called the angel shot when you need help. You understand what I'm saying? And I'm not saying, you know, sometimes in both sides, you know, a man don't know what to do. I see men being abused. Again, I'm just saying. Everybody's got a choice. Everybody has a choice, bro, how bad it is to where, when is it going to be enough for you to leave?

When you dead in a casket, you go from being a victim to a participant. Well, that's the inspiration in your story is because you, you, come from the worst circumstances. I've never, I've heard a lot of horror stories from childhood on this podcast, but yours is one of the worst. And you still accepted responsibility, you know, in getting sentenced and carrying yourself in prison. And it's not,

you don't have to forgive your mother to take responsibility for what you did. Correct. And make a choice. Correct. You know what I mean? Right. It's great, man. I really, really appreciate you coming through.

Oh, yeah. I think that when people hear me talk, my message gets thrown out the window because of the delivery. You understand what I'm saying? People don't like the way I talk. People don't like the way I announce any words. And my message is so prevalent to the world that if you just take time out and take the prejudice and the bias out of what you feel personally and listen to the message that I provide to those who are in need, I restore confidence. give you back intelligence. I allow you to understand who you are and why you walk on this earth

the way you do. You understand what I'm saying? I tell you to accept yourself in the way God made you, but be respectful about it and don't let nobody disrespect you about it, you see. And my pain and the purpose is so prevalent in today's society because we see so much violence, we see so much war, we see so much just degradation that you can't even, some regular people don't even where the fuck they come and are going, whether it's finance or romance. But when people get a hold of my message and they see I came from all this violence and ridicule and today, poverty.

Yeah, poverty. So today, now here it is, you know, I'm one of the most iconic bodyguards in the entertainment industry. You know, I've been with every, you know, you know, iconic figure that the entertainment industry has to offer that America's ever seen. I've been, you know, standing right next to them. I've been hired to, you know, keep them safe. When you talk about security in any realm or in the United States,

black label will come up in the conversation. Now, whether or not you can afford a black label, that's a difference. But my name will come up in there. We need the door guy. Man, you know, I know black label. We need heavy security. Man, I know black label. Man, I need a bodyguard.

I got my son just coming up in, you know, the athlete program. or, you know, he's a rapper. I know this guy, black label, you see. So, and then to turn around and have people get in a vehicle with me after hearing my story and how much violence and shit that I occurred and be able to get in a black truck and darts in the winters, and I locked that door. And there is no parcel between me and you.

You see what I'm saying? And then people love me to death. They love the vibe. They love the hang out. They love the system that I give them that they bought into. That's the brand of black label. that's the beauty behind pain in the purpose. It can't everybody do that, bro.

It takes a significant person to be able to mentally compensate from the hurt, from the pain, and turn in the purpose and turn around not just heal yourself, but also heal people when they get in this black truck. There's a lot of shit I hear in this black truck. I mean, I am the therapy session. Yeah. I am the preacher. I am the school teacher. I am the bigger dad.

I am the brother. You see what I'm saying? So a lot of these people who get in this black truck. truck are they going through a lot of shit and when they drink in my black truck they spill out more you see but I'm not on TMZ telling these people secret I'm not on YouTube over here you know promoting all the shit that goes on and breaching confidentiality and tell you who fucking who and what I heard in this conversation and that's what separates me from everybody else when I talk about when I was looking on that

block and understanding everybody had the same thing what can I do it's the education it's the education what separates me from every other bodyguard it's the education that I have on confidentiality and how to move these people properly that separates me for every other private chauffeur. So when you talk about having a great date night with you and your wife, when you're talking about having a business brunch

with you and your boys, when you're talking about having birthday out with your girls, you want to have the cameras and shit, guys night out, you want to keep your kids safe on prom, graduation, homecoming. It's always going to be, I know this got black label.

Your life has just been overcoming. again and again and thinking outside the box. Telling you, man, you know this. I do. You're special. You're different. Very. But I think ordinary people, we all have something in us.

That's spark of genius. And life is figuring out what that is and doing your thing. Right. I think that's what, I think that's the message. You've got a lot of messages, but I think that's that. What people can learn from you is be, yourself and be proud of it. Be proud of it.

Stand on it. Black label services. Plug away and plug your podcast. God damn it. Yeah. So for those who want to book Black Truck, you know, I'm based out of Tampa, Florida. I run from Miami to Atlanta. If you need, you know, long distance drive, whatever you need.

I don't have a website. Of course, we're in the days of social media. I had a website. It just was getting no traffic. So I use my Instagram, Black underscore, label, underscore services. And YouTube, Painting the Purpose, my podcast, Black Label Lounge. And for those who just want to relax and just let Lucea have some comic time, follow me on TikTok.

Black Label 1014. Great TikTok follow. Yes, absolutely. My TikTok is crazy. Yeah. I mean, you're a star, bro. I appreciate that. I got some keys.

I got a move from Tampa to Atlanta. Can I hire you for that? You can hire me for that. You can. I got a movie script about that. No, I'm playing. But I do have a movie script. It's a great, I got the number one comedy in America right now.

I need somebody who knows somebody who does not have the degree. What did I tell you? I know somebody who knows somebody. It's going to beat that degree any date. I have the number one comedy movie in America. It's a great idea. You told me before the show. It's amazing.

I need Will Packard. I need Adam Sandler. I need Tyler Perry. I need 50 cents. I need somebody who could take this script and just make America happy again. Let me see what I can do for you. I appreciate that. It means a lot. Man, it means so much.

I had a great time with you. We could do this all day. We could. You guys, the great black label, go follow him. You know who he is. Right. And go over to his YouTube channel. I want to get a lot of traction over to his podcast.

We're going to blow you up, sir. I appreciate it. I need it. You got it, man. You guys, thanks again. See you next week. We'll be here. Appreciate you.

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