The Connect- with Johnny Mitchell - Washington D.C. Cocaine Kingpin On Importing 5,000 Kilos A Week, Running A Caribbean Drug Empire

Episode Date: February 22, 2026

In this jaw-dropping episode , we sit down with George Day — one of the most prolific yet largely unknown drug kingpins in American history. Raised in Washington, DC, George was literally born into the drug trade. By age six, he was traveling across the border with his father, helping smuggle hundreds of pounds of marijuana hidden inside a Winnebago. As he grew older, his life spiraled deeper into the underworld — from trimming weed in Mexico to handling massive cash pickups and negotiating with Colombian suppliers before he was even a teenager. After his father’s sudden death, George found himself — at just 11 years old — sitting on a multimillion-dollar drug ledger, forced to navigate dangerous debts, cartel relationships, and violent street politics. What followed was the rise of a cocaine empire that eventually stretched across all 50 states… and ultimately led to a life sentence plus 90 years in federal prison. This is Part 1 of an unbelievable story about family, survival, crime, and the realities of growing up inside America’s drug economy. 👇 In this episode you’ll hear: • Smuggling weed across the border as a child • Meeting cartel figures and learning the trade firsthand • Finding millions owed after his father’s death • Negotiating with Colombian traffickers at age 11 • How the foundation of a nationwide empire was built Subscribe for Part 2 — where George reveals how his empire exploded nationwide and what led to his downfall. This Episode Is #Sponsored By The Following: AVA! Take control of your credit today. Download the Ava app, and when you join using MY promo code CONNECT20, you’ll get 20% off your first year—monthly or annual, your choice. HIMS! To get simple, online access to personalized, affordable care for ED, Hair Loss, Weight Loss, and more, visit https://hims.com/connect NIC NAC! Go to http://nicnac.com/johnny and use code Johnny for 20% off, or use the store locator to find Nic Nacs near you. Join The Patreon For Bonus Content! https://www.patreon.com/theconnectshow 00:00 Growing Up in the Game 03:10 Family Roots & Father's Early Hustle 07:20 Boxing, DC Life & Father’s Construction Business 14:55 Smuggling Routes: From Jamaica to DC21:02 This Episode Is Sponsored By Ava 22:37 Business Fronts and Money Laundering 32:15 Legendary Kingpins: Rafel, George, and the Connect39:15 This Episode Is Sponsored By Hims and Nic Nac 42:08 Losing His Father: The Aftermath 54:38 Thrust Into the Family Business at 11 01:03:17 Taking Over & Protecting the Operation 01:15:20 Building the Empire: The Coke Pipeline 01:35:25 Massive Operations: Real Estate & Money Moves 01:44:47 International Transport: Planes, Lanes & Corrupt Customs 01:59:08 Scaling Up: 500 Kilos, Money Laundering & Distribution 02:11:46 Retirement, 9/11, & the End of an Era 02:14:52 The Game Changes: Security Tightens 02:22:46 The Legacy, Staying Low, & Part 2 Tease Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I went down there when I was about six. What he would do is load the Winnebago up. He had a compartment. My father would put hundreds of pounds of weed. So he would drive it across the border with you guys in the Winnebago? Man, and we'd be sleeping on it. It was crazy. We would literally be sleeping on weed, dude.

We're talking millions of dollars a load now. Oh, it's no doubt. Now I need to find something to do with the money. George Day is the biggest drug kingpin in the history of why. Washington, D.C., even more than the late Raffel Edmonds. Unlike Rafeel, George was the importer, smuggling in thousands of kilos of cocaine from the Bahamas every week on private jets, speedboats, and even commercial flights. George was raised with drug trafficking in his blood. He helped his father smuggle in tons of marijuana over the border from Mexico when he was just a little kid. And,

for the age of 15 until his early 30s, George ran a cocaine empire that spanned all 50 states. In 2003, he was arrested and sentenced to life plus 90 years in federal prison. That story is so wild that we had to do a separate episode, so tune in next week for Part 2. Ladies and gentlemen, this man is one of the most prolific but unknown drug kingpins in America, and you're seeing him here first. It's George Day, right here on The Connect with Johnny Mitchell.

Dude, you guys are in for a treat this week. George Day is one of the most fascinating people I've ever spoken with. And as you're about to see, he was that dude. I've spoken to a lot of kingpins, but he really was the connect. Do me a quick favor. If you haven't subscribed to the channel yet, hit that subscribe button and turn on the alert bell. And if you love this conversation as much as I loved having it, drop a comment and smash

that like button. It really helps us out. All right, you guys. I love you. Enjoy it. George Day. George, great to have you here, man. Thank you, man.

I don't usually feel the tingling excitement before an interview, but I feel it now. You're the son of immigrants. Do you think, you know, they say immigrants tend to do better a lot of times economically? I think they do better as drug dealers, too. Oh, yeah. Especially the old school cats. They know how to put their money up. They're kind of like blue collar dudes.

They don't fuck their money off. Like, you know, American-born cats from the hood. They run it like a business. So tell us about your father. Tell us where you grew up. And, I mean, this is going to get crazy very fast. Yeah. Okay. Well, I think it need to start with my father. My father's name, the one we know about, was George Henry Day. Now, if you look him up, and I've done it a million times, I've even went to South Carolina, and I couldn't get his birth certificate because it's not real. He's on my birth certificate as George Henry Day in his birthplace was South Carolina, but he was not born in South Carolina. He's born in Jamaica. He was born in Kingston, Jamaica, and he didn't come here. He was born in 1922. He got here when he was 17.

Okay. Yeah. So he came in like, what, what's that, 39? Wow. And he was already in his 50s by the time he had you. Yeah. You're a 70s baby. Yeah.

Okay. 70s baby. So, and when he passed, he was 63. But he met my mom. My mom wasn't even born yet when he came here. My mom was born in 47. Gangster, bro. Your dad would have been in the Epstein files today.

Yeah, ain't no doubt. So it's like, man, when they finally met, my mom had had a child already. by um it was a preacher a greasy preacher dude named revin ike everybody should remember him so your mom like the brothers yeah yeah she was yeah definitely they used to call her white girl you know what i'm saying but we called her big shirley wow okay so and when did your father to your knowledge get into the the weed business oh man well i know i i could remember i can remember back to the earliest i remember going like out of the country with him in that Winnebago. And he had a yellow van that he used to drive at first.

Then he bought the Winnebago. He bought it new. It was very nice. We had a kitchen and everything. I was about five or six. Do you think even before you were born he was getting things rolling? Ain't no doubt. He used to hang out with a guy that introduced him to my mom named Sunny Reds.

That's my uncle. And he's my Aunt Rosa. She had a daughter by him named Kenya. And he raised her sons. Her sons, my cousins, their last name was Jones. Like Richard Jones, Russell Jones, and Tony Jones. Those were the guys, like, they weren't, I'm going to say, what Russell was. They weren't gangster, though.

Like, they were men, you know, they box, you know, them dudes, you know, they used to go to the gym. They told us how to box. In D.C., you'll see we got a lot of fighters. A lot of champions came from there. A lot of boxers came from there. But, you know, we grew up fighting, and we grew up in D.C., you know what part of D.C.? You know what I'm saying? What part of D.C.?

Well, when I was younger, we was living on 10th place, and then we left from there, and then we lived uptown for a little while. And my father had, he had something happened with a police officer at a job site out in Virginia. He had stabbed a police officer with a pitchfork or something. My father started a construction company, you know, when he first got here. So he used to build houses. I'm going to pull that up. I was pulling it up.

But he stopped building houses. He started getting government contracts. So he started building schools And he was building a school Way out Virginia Way past Glebe Road I knew it was like It was like out by the end of the line

Like the subway line It was like the orange line But it was like Vienna, Virginia somewhere And you know It wasn't really a lot of Back then in the 80s Man it wasn't really a lot of Black

Especially men that had like Dreds You know Like he eventually cut him off And just wore Bush Because he realized He had to get Americanized and they was, you know, he couldn't afford to keep getting pulled over, snatched out the car.

So he eventually cut it off. So he was a builder. Yeah, he had a construction company. It was legit, yeah. Okay. But he couldn't read the right. So the thing was, at a young age, I was diagnosed with ADHD, but my mom would never let them put me on reddling. My mother didn't believe that shit, you know what I'm saying?

You know, in a black household, you know, they beat that out. You know what I'm saying? No, I didn't understand. I did now that I'm older. I realized that I didn't understand social cues, but I learned them quick. Because when you got a mother that slaps you or do something to you every time that you do something wrong, you learn quick to get it right. You know what I'm saying? Your mom hit you like a black woman.

Oh, my mom, she definitely was, my mom like, we used to be like, mom, like the thing she said, she was a good woman. Like, the funny thing is she's the matriarch of the family. And she treated, and all of my cousins said that their moms did the same thing. And I think it was because of the way they were raised. Because, like, down the country, you know, some weird stuff happened. You know what I'm saying? And people like, my grandmother, she was like, not the fully Caucasian one, but she was fair-skinned too.

I want you to show, you know, we're going to see that. You know, you'll have that. So tell us about your dad. When do you think, so he was getting the weed going in the 70s when it was really starting to boom, Jamaica was exporting a ton. It was basically Jamaican and Colombian weed mostly. And also Mexican weed later, which was better. But the iteration of it is the Colombian weed and the Jamaican weed.

So was your father, what did his hustle look like? Was he actually importing directly from the islands? He definitely was going back over. Now, I know I went to the islands a million times. And even as I was growing up, you'll see from my case that I stayed over there all the time. In Jamaica. Yeah, I went over there there in Jamaica. Harmers because what they did, my family over there, they, all of them are into the drug trade.

The drug trade is normal life over there. Right. Because people don't realize that, you know, and know, like on the island, when the helicopter get on them boats, like I got stories to tell you about that. But when they get on the boats or weed boats or whatever back then, they couldn't afford to have a super fast boat. They couldn't get the $40,000 engine to put on the back of it. and outboarding, you know.

Right. You know, they couldn't do what 90 used to do from the Bahamas. You know, that came later. Them dudes had 100,000 to put in a speedboat. But when they got, when their engines got shot, you know what I'm saying? Sometimes they took holes in a boat. That weed is going to float right up. You know what I'm saying?

So, you know, he started way back when, you know, we was younger, but he had, they had like the regular boats, but then he started using cruise ships. Right. You know. How would they get the weed onto cruise ships? with like people on vacation. They have family members, if you think about it, on all of the Caribbean cruises and stuff like that.

I'm only saying this now, things that I'm telling you, nobody, if they're still doing it, they're crazy because we went down for this shit in like 2004, 2003, something like that. And trust me, if they know about it, they just, they wait to get them. But on cruise ships, they're not as strict with luggage and things like the security and things like that. that not back then. And in the 80s, it was open season, man. But I'm going to tell you the truth. I just believe that they did the same thing we did. They had somebody in customs and they paid them

off. Right. And so how much weed could you get onto a cruise ship? Oh, man, they used to have them in boxes like these boxes like mechanical stuff would come in for the boat or they act like it was an engine that was being shipped because people don't know. Even back then, those cruise ships and things like that, they carried freight too. You know, people didn't understand. They didn't, when they, when they had a light cruise and things like that, and even private planes, you know, people don't know this, but, you know, it'd be drugs on them planes, man. It'd be stuff on them planes.

Nothing leaves those islands without drugs on. Please, and understand the money, it's the same way. You'll see later on I ended up doing it, not knowing. The same thing that my father was doing back then. I would do. He used cruise ships, and they would use the boats to come over, but they kept getting, they would lose 60. Sometimes they get 60 and lose 40%.

He used to complain a lot, but it was cheap weed. It didn't matter. Right. Okay. So then where, if it launches from Jamaica or the Bahamas, where is your father unloading it? Like where does it port? Well, everything had to eventually make it to Nassau or Bimini. Those are the islands that when at night, you can stand on the Miami shoreline and you can see

them. Now people don't know it's over 300 islands over there. We've used, and I know he did too because it's, you know, once they come, once the drugs come down to Panama Canal, they come up to Panama Canal, then they come in, they hit the islands, Bimini, Alutra. Freeport and Nassau. Now, Freeport and Nassau were more developed. Now, people would think that's better.

But by the time you make it to Freeport of Nassau, it's Scott Free. If you made it there, then that's where you want to be at. But most guys couldn't afford to go there because they didn't know it's faxes that you had to pay. And like, if you had to drop a load, what they would do is drag it. You know, I used to see these things. They would wait the bags there, and they would suck all of the air out of. of it, and then they were weighted down with weights, and they would drag it. That's why they needed to go fast boats.

But my father and them, you know, of course, they didn't do it back there in old school, but so that they can drag and they can cut the line and they're the drop, and then they hit the airbags. But that's what we did, and it brings the weed back up. And then you lose it. Spring weekends are all about family, sunshine, and evenings on the patio. Before everyone arrives, I stopped by my local total wine and more to grab a great bottle to share. With such a wide selection and the lowest prices, it's easy to find something amazing for everyone to enjoy.

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Sometimes you don't have any. anybody to go. If the beacon has gone off too long when the battery goes, the bags blow anyway. So they'll come up and that's how most of the factions in the Bahamas got on. Because once those bricks break up, they float and they come to shore. And the kids, they get the kids, the kids run out, grab the keys off the beach and take them to the local people and then they'll collect as many. And whoever the drug lord is like during my time, it was 90, but during my was a guy named 90. He was. Right. And these are just Bahamanian gangsters. that basically got on by stealing the floating drugs

from whoever owned. So eventually the big drug cartels would come later and buy them back or then tell them, look, man, how about we just give you the drugs and you, the neighbor came. I see. So your dad's route, basically your dad, his plug started in the Bahamas

when the weed already made it up from Columbia. There you go. Or Jamaica. He was shipped, yeah, he was shipped his, they would ship the family weed up to the Bahamas And then whatever the Colombians brought in, you know, and, you know, it was something that Fuentes guy. I don't know.

He was somebody later. I didn't really, you know, I didn't really deal with. The only Mexican guys that I dealt with that I knew that I liked when I grew up that I actually knew was Pablo. And the only reason I knew that he had something to do with marijuana because he had it outside. It was everywhere. He would take us to these fields and it would just be there. I learned how to trim it there. That's why I really learned how to grow weed, you know what I'm saying?

So you learned from Pablo Acosta. who if you know, if you watch Nauticos Mexico, he basically was the drug lord who had the Chihuahua Oginaba is the town. But he owned that whole plaza. Yeah, but my father was, you know, him and him were, like they were real tight. I mean, I didn't understand it.

They used to insult each other all the time, but they loved each other, you know what I'm saying? So he actually, your father brought you down to meet him in Mexico. Oh, I used to leave us down there, man. Me and my brothers, when they were little, man, I got pictures of us down. down there. We used to call it going down the country, but we would literally be down there. And this is being down in Texas and being in Mexico is how I got bit by that long horn tick

that made me allergic to meat my whole life. I couldn't, you know. You got, uh, yeah, I had Lyme disease. Lime disease. Yeah, alpha-gal allergies. Okay. Tell us about the drugs, dude. Okay, yeah. What the fuck was going on? How old were you when you were down trimming weed in Mexico? Okay, I'm going to say the first time I remember actually touching the weed.

I went down there when I was about six, but I remember my seventh birthday, I spent, three weeks down the country, down my mom's way. Then my father came and got me in the yellow van, and then we drove back to D.C., got into Winnebago, and I thought we was going to New York like we always do. He was like, nah, we're going to be gone for a while. So my mom was, like, really mad because I was getting pulled out of school, but I was always ahead of my work.

So my father would get the work sent, you know, and I would get maybe a week or two, but we would always stay for like a month, month and a half. You know what I'm saying? Sometimes longer than next, and then we would leave Texas, I mean, leave Mexico, go through Texas, and we would stop.

Sometimes we would go to Arizona. It was just, I don't know what he was doing. I mean, I just liked it. You know what I was spending time with my pops, but, you know, we spent a lot of time on the highway, and what he would do is load the Winnebago up. He had a compartment. It looked like a transmission case now that I know that when I started moving freight,

but they would put it into the floor. They would remove things and pull things back. And I remember them saying they had to extend something for it to fit, but they would fit it around like it was a shaft that would turn, and they would fit this box around it. And the only thing, the weed that would be around it would get brittle because it would get hot right there in that one spot. And sometimes it would melt through the little plastic box. Later, they put it in like a metal case in there.

And I understood it now. It was the drive shaft. And it would just grind on it sometimes and it would heat up the box. But anyway, my father would put hundreds of pounds of weed and they would shrink rapid. Some of the stuff was, I would think now that I know that the Colombian stuff was a little better. But the Mexican weed was, it was packed. It was brown, you know what I'm saying? But back then, that's all people wanted.

It wasn't a whole bunch of classes. So he would drive it across the border with you guys in the Winnebago? Man, and we'd be sleeping on it. It was crazy. We would literally be sleeping on weed, dude. You know what I'm saying? But that's a great cover. I'm just taking my sons on a road trip.

We would go fishing. They'd bring the fishing rods and stuff like that. He had a fishing cooler in the Winnebago. He could show him, man. We'd go out there and catch some fish, though, man. We'd catch 50, 60 fish. You know, it was kids. That's all we loved to do, playing the water and catch fish.

And then, and so it sounds like you were, during harvest season, you were down there helping, were you working with other Mexicans, trimming the fields? That's where I met. Somebody he called his grandson, but I mean, who knows? It probably just was one of the migrant workers' kids. But I didn't know no better, man. They was my friends, man. You know what I'm saying? I would learn a little, they told me some Spanish, but they would always teach me the nasty stuff, had me saying stuff to the women that I shouldn't have been saying, you know.

Did you know what you were doing? trimming the, you were in the meat fields? It was flowers. It was flowers, and I would see some of the older guys taking it and roll it up in this long leaf. It was a green leaf. And I would see them, it would be, they would break the leaf off. It would be white paste and it.

You know, I just remember they would use the paste to seal it. And they would dry it, dry, dry, and then they smoked while they work. But I just wanted to learn. So, you know. Were they smoking cocaine? Was that the past? And let me tell you, no, what they used to do with that, they used to chew on the stalks.

But they were rolling it in the leaf. My father and them, they call it a spliff. Oh, like Jamaica. Yeah, he showed them, yeah. It was like a banana leaf or whatever. Okay. They would roll it up. But the older guys used to smoke that with my father, but he would never let me touch it.

I never could. But my father, I couldn't breathe that good anyway. He smoked like two packs of cigarettes a day. Wow. But he would put all the weed in there, and then we would drive on back across, man. Okay. So now he's got hundreds of pounds of weed. And does he take it back to D.C.?

Or is he making stops? Stops. Yeah, and that's what he was doing. See, later on, you know, I, you know, I talked to my mom like when my case, when I caught my case, my mom, me and my, we're a little bit before that, but she told me some stuff when I was 14, but, you know, my mom, my mom was always a church-going woman, you know, she was strict. You know, she was a good mother, made sure we was fed, we always had new friends, even if we lived in the hood for a minute when my father was dealing with someone or had to go on and run. you know, she, we had it. You know what I'm saying?

We was good. You know, we never, like, did without it. She always had to help other people. So my mother used to, you know, she explained to me when I was 14 that, yeah, your father's crazy. I couldn't stop you from getting into it because she wanted to move me down the country. Right. And she did that.

We'll get to that, though. So your mom didn't really approve of what your father was doing? Well, I'm going to say this. She loved the money, you know. So you know how it is. You know. It's talking about women. Yeah.

And so in the beginning, my mom was a gangster. You know, she told them guns with them and hanging out, they partying. And then my aunt Irene had a sick, my cousin Katina, she passed, you know, but she had a sick child. They thought she, in a children's hospital in D.C. misdiagnosed her, and they was treating her for something. So this right here leads to why my mom started, you know, having, you know, it never got in the way.

But my cousin Katina got sick. And so everybody started going to church and try to, you know, black people, right? God, please, you know, and it worked. I mean, she was supposed to die. You know, she was by the time she was five, but she ended up living it since she was 49. So, you know, but it eventually caught up to her because what was really wrong with her, whatever it was, her mom did something with the insurance. And it kind of got messed up with she couldn't sue, but children's had to still take care of her for the rest of her life.

So anything that happened to. But that's how my father, you know, my mother started getting at odds with my father. I see. But she never did mind. You know, my father just kept it away from her. So, and he's still running his businesses. Like part of your story is like you're always into legitimate real estate and companies. Do you think your father's business was just a front to wash the weed money, or was it actually a profitable on its own thing?

And people will tell you, I'm going to show you a lot of the things he built. Like I said, he built schools. It was George H. Day construction. And when you look it up in the D.C. records, you'll see, honestly, I don't even know if it was because he died before he could. you know, dissolve it, but I'm sure it's done now. But, you know, he had a lot of government contracts. No, he made good money. I think he was taking his damn, the construction money and building that up, if anything.

Because he was a gambler, too. My father gambled. My uncle named was Sonny Reds and everybody know him. All of the old heads knew him. You know, these dudes would have been in their hundreds by now. But them dudes were gangsters. He had all of the body shops around the city and things like that. I wonder why he needed, felt like he needed to.

to be in the drug game if he was doing well in instruction. Because he had to keep sending stuff back to Jamaica. He used to always buy barrels of clothes. You know, it's like you're taking care of the whole family over there. You know, they, they weren't paying them nothing over there, man. Yeah. They might be working in a hotel. And back then in the 80s, my mom, she didn't have to pay no bills.

So think about if she was making $3.75, maybe $4.25 an hour at a dry cleaners out, you know, just to be having something to do so have pocket money. you know, if she just always wanted to get out the house, my father said he never want, don't never let a woman lay around the house, you know what I'm saying? Because that's when she get in trouble, you know. Today's episode is brought to you by Ava. You guys have heard me talk about Ava before. Ava is a credit building app that's designed to work fast and help your credit score where it really matters.

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So at this time, you know, Heron is really big. Rafel Edmonds is the star now, the street star of D.C., of course. Did you know about him as a kid? I knew him because I'm going to say this. Before I came to there, I had to call a lot of my guys. Like, most of them don't care. The ones that got charged, they really don't care because they name and the paperwork. But some of them I got to protect because the guy that I'm particularly talking about now,

he's probably about to be a, he wanted to be. I think he might become a minister. He changed his life all the way around. But, you know, he didn't really get touched by this directly. But anyway, I'll say this. I knew Ray very well. I knew him, but I was a child to Ray. You know, all of them guys are like 10 years, 11 years older than that.

Of course. You know, and a lot of them, you're going to see from, you know, if you look, when you look it up, you know, I sent you a lot of paperwork. But all of the guys that I hung with, I was the youngest. You know, them know, them do's like some of them, when I was 20, they were like 35, you know what I'm saying? So I always grew up around the older guys because I was so serious. Right. You know, so it's like I met Ray because my, I will just call them squirrel. squirrel, he knew everybody. Like, he threw parties. He was always touching a bag. Like,

he was the first guy, like, in the 80s, man. I'm telling, I'm talking about, like, they trusted me implicitly. Like, it was like, he was my cousins and them friend, but, you know, I think, you know, maybe him and my sister had something going on, you know. Did you, did the drug dealers know about your father? Or was your father invisible? Well, let me say this. The thing about my father was him and Sonny and them moved different. And that's probably why I moved away. I did and I didn't end up like Mitchell, you know, somebody that was real flashy. My father had nice things, but he always had a business to back it. Right.

But did, was he distributing to dealers in the D.C. He was giving it to older dudes. Yeah, he was giving it to older dudes. He had a guy named Willie Davis. He dealt with. He had another younger guy that was probably, he probably went no more than like maybe. I know when I was nine, this dude was barely 20, man. but he had like big cars, like the big, like the biggest back then.

People don't know, like in the 80s. I heard one guy say something about the 600. That was a lot of 600 Benz didn't come out into 92. So in the 80s, he had to have the big 300. I don't know if it was the SC or the SCL, but I mean, I just never seen anybody have a car like my father was dealing with him. And I didn't know that he was dealing with him. His name was Ronald Brown.

The only reason why I say his name because he's passed on. And he was the guy that taught me a lot to how to be. like when dudes was wearing Versace and Gucci, you know, Tony Lord's guys from my city that you know, wore that type of stuff. He was walking around with used jeans on, like, acting like he was a broke guy, but he owned real estate

all over the city. He owned 34 units over here in Southeast and the projects that we hustling in. He owned them. And I was like, man, why do you do this? He said, nah, I do this right here. This is the money that you have for backup. He said, I'm going to show you how to clean it. You know. And that's why he was just showing

me. He said, you always got to have a nine to five. You always got to have something to sustain your life. That's what I mean, old school. But your dad was basically the biggest supplier of weed in D.C. And he was starting. Ron, that's why I brought up Ron. My bad, sometimes I get a hit. He started, of course, Pablo.

At first, Pablo was against cocaine. My father never, he used to talk bad about cocaine. One thing he never moved was heroin. I was going to ask you that because heroin was big in D.C. Right. And Pablo Acosta, that was one of his things that he grew. They were able. It was poppy.

Yeah, he did that. So my father didn't want to have nothing to do with that because he had a brother, my uncle, Chunk, that had got on dope real bad. So I hated dope too. Right, right. So your dad didn't touch dope, but tell us. But he snuck a load in before my father was mad at Pablo.

Oh, right, right. They didn't talk for like a year. I missed it because I used to go down there every summer. So tell us what happened when you were 11 and your father passed. This is crazy. My father, he had some kind of, he had a problem with his circulation in his legs. So it was either his left or his right leg would go numb, but sometimes he would just walk and they would just give out on him.

So he went and got these doctors, and they agreed to come over, some island doctors, they came over and they did a surgery on them, experimental surgery that was going to open his veins up from the left because it was affected his private life, you know, in his private parts. And so he went and had the surgery and everything went good, you know. We went to go see him. That's just say it was a Friday, you know. I got out of school Thursday.

My mom said, come on, boy, you know, we're going to go down and see your father. So we went to the hospital. We go down in the, it was at a hospital called Greater Southeast, off of Southern Avenue in Southeast Washington. And it wasn't the greatest hospital, but it wasn't the worst. You know what I'm saying? The doctors came from overseas. So, you know, it didn't matter.

He wanted it done there. My mother didn't like it. So he paid the doctor. They came and did the surgery. And that night before we came to see him, you know, he was downstairs in his little robe, his house robe. My mom brought him. And he was saying, like, I'm coming home.

You know what I'm saying? So he's like, yeah, mine. I mean, you got to be home, man. You know, so I'm like, all, cool. You know, anything, I jump up, you know. I'm a big guy now. You still pick me up. My father good.

He's healthy. Yeah. All right. So just say the next day was Friday. So Friday come. I get out of school. I'm talking about the bus was taking too long to leave. You know, the school was probably a mile away.

You know, a mile ain't nothing for a kid, maybe a mile and a half. Man, I ran from Overlook, ran all the way home. He had just bought us a house, you know, right before this happened, like four years ago. But he had just remodeled the house. It was 1226, Launtuan Avenue. It's about three or four houses down from the fire department. So I never forget. I was running up the hill.

I told my friend, Eric Engram, he laid down on the corner. his grandmother, I used to stay the night over their house a lot. He ended up hustling with me later too. And I'm running up the street, running. So as I'm coming around the corner, I see, as you come up, launch my neighborhood, man, this hill is straight up. Like, you know, people used to speed so bad kids,

you'd get killed on it. So I had to stay, my father always told me, facing the traffic, so I'm running up the hill. And I see all of these cars in front of the house. So I'm like, oh, my family here, my father home, all big George home. So I'm like, oh, man. So I get up the hill.

I chopped the mailbox three times I had to do that, you know, my autism. Pop, pop, pop, pop, run up the steps. As I come in a house, everybody crying, you know. You know, where my father at? Like, get off me. Like, come here, boy, you know, get off me. Like, with my father. You know, I'm going through the crowd with my father.

So I see my mom. She's sitting, like, as you come in, the house is weird when you walk up the steps. You come in. My father built a front porch. There used to be a front porch. He closed it off. So he had a Capone set, the 80s, you know, that obligatory big Capone set thing,

but the TV, TV didn't work no more, so we had the other TV to sit on top of it, you know, black staple. But we, they watching TV, they got the TV on, but nobody watching it. My little brother's already home, the ones that's, you know, that's in school, you know, my youngest brother, Jury's, he running around, he, you know, he don't know nothing. So my other brother's looking all sad,

so I see my mother, so you walk in, you come through the, Once you come through the porch area that's closed off now, then you come into the living room. It's a big, big old living room. Then the dining room, but you've got to, the stairs to go upstairs to my mother-in-in-in-bedroom. My father took the ceiling all the way up to the rafters, made it big. So they had their own, the whole top of the house was their bedroom. So I seen the door open, but I seen my mom feet, and she had on this brown dress.

You know, something that she was wearing the little nice for my father, and she was sitting up against the wall. I'd never forget. And we had this brown phone. I think everybody had this in the kitchen. You know, with that long cord to come down. And she had the phone to her ears, and she just crying. And I walked in there.

And she looked up and she saw me. She was like, oh, my God. So I thought she was going to hit me. I ain't know what was going. I said, Mom, what did that? And she just looked at me. And she was about to say something. Then she stopped.

And it's like, when I seen her face, she knew it was going to crush me because I was my father's favorite. I was his first son. And she just like, Like, man, your father dead, man, he died. I said, man, he ain't dead. I just talked to him.

You know, who are you talking about? We were just down there last night? So everybody trying to grab me. I was like, you line, you know, I'm going off. Yeah. You know, I don't know what to do. So I run off, you know, 1985, you know. So did he bleed out from, what the complications from the surgery?

No, this crazy thing. The surgery was fine. He ended up getting some kind of infection in his kidney or something. And I don't know how they missed it. So, you know, but. I wrote a little song to remind you. Choice Hotels gets you more of the experiences you value. The Cambria Hotels got it all.

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that it would have been oh right i mean it's so crazy or any of that stuff if they had that you know god damn you know he wouldn't even did that and honestly i think it was i just wish when i found out later what it was i just wish he to just let that shit be right because you know him dying they put a lot of stress on my mom because you know she ain't had nothing but a third grade education of course and and the whole family was relying on his work and his business and his other business right Right. He took care of everybody. Like if anybody, my aunt needs anything, he got him, you know. Oh, I'm so sorry, man. Yeah. But now it gets complicated because he's got a bunch of money owed to him out on the street, right?

And what I don't know, but my mom does know, you know, because she won't touch none of this stuff upstairs. And, you know, I'm going upstairs. Just, you know, I'm in this stuff, you know. I'm trying to wear the clothes that I can try to fit. You know, I'm 11 now. Right. I'm about five foot 10, you know what I'm saying? Five foot 11. I'm getting big. So my father was only six, maybe six, one.

So, you know, I'm trying on some of his clothes, but I see this little ledger. And I knew my father, he was, it wasn't that he couldn't read it right. He can count very well, you know what I'm saying? But I think he was dyslexic, like my brother Thomas ended up being. But he was a genius. You know, he knew angles he could build, but he had a book. And he had a way that he wrote, you know, didn't make no sense. sense, but he taught me, so I'm looking at it.

And I was like, it's something he learned in jail. It's like, you know, like the grid on the phone. Everything's different. If you just erase the lines on the outside, you got a one, two, three, four, five, six, you know, but you got the lines, pay attention, the lines. This line is a backwards a, that's the one, but that's the ABC. The middle line is a you. That's a two, but that's the other.

He wrote that way, but even his numbers. And he taught you how to read that kind of code? So it's like when I learned that, they talk about it in my case, you know, my paperwork. So how much was owed to him on that ledger? On that ledger, it was about seven and some change, but one of the guys that owed them, like 700,000. Like I said, now he was into cocaine. My father had three catalogs.

He had a yellow one, a white one, and a silver or gray one. He gave a gray one to my stepmother, Lethia. My father was a polygamist, too, I meant to tell you. That's something else that's in the court records. Shocking for a Jamaican guy. My mother only became the real wife by default because the woman he was married to in Jamaica died right before. But all of the people he married, he married Leithia way before. My mom didn't know.

But it was no good because he was already married in Jamaica. You know, so... Did you know at 11 that he was into cocaine? Did you know what cocaine was? Well, I knew the only reason I knew what cocaine was, because by 85, you know, when I hear people say, oh, man, crack wasn't in deep. Yes, it was. And like I told you, my cousins, like, you know, we grew up hard and they was out in the streets.

Were you actually out hustling with them? No, I was outside watching it. You know what I'm saying? But my cousin Russell, he was selling the lardas. He was selling pills. And my cousin Tony, he was into boxing and weightlifting and stuff. But, you know, we was respected because when we moved, it was four sisters that lived in D.C. So you got to understand, all of them had five kids apiece.

So when they moved in the neighborhood, we moved in. So it was like 25 of us around there. Was your dad moving Coke with Pablo Acosta? Was he the connect now as well? And that's the thing. Pablo started, he kind of forced it on my father. But Sonny Reds, my father made a mistake one time and took Sunny Reds with us. And I don't think he really understood with.

Sonny wanted to do. So when he took my uncle Sonny with him, the Coke started coming in. Sonny Red was the powder man. It sounds like Sunny Red was the distributor. Your dad was just the one who had the plug and helped him cross it. Right. I remember my mom getting mad because, you know, she didn't want him getting involved in whatever it was. So the first time I seen some powder and I knew it had something to do with my father because he would give me the briefcase and tell me, you know, go take it to Sonny, but Sonny was also a bookie. So Sunny Red, but his main business was cocaine. I found that out young, but I didn't know what it was.

I thought it was bear because the bear aspirin back in the day, you know, whatever it was. It used to have the powder, but he had this thing, like it was like cookie sheet paper, but it had like a girl on it with her hands behind her, like a white lady. And I knew it was white lady because her head was long, but it was like a black paper, but the lady would be linked back like that. So, and it would be a line of cocaine going down her body, and it would be folded up. Russell went into Sunny's safe,

and I think he gave away dude like a half a brick, man. He went outside showing off and some dudes, some guy named Cowboy. I never forget these guys. I hope these guys should be 70 by now. They shouldn't care. But, you know, I think Cowboy and him tricked him out of it. Or, you know, Russell gave it to him, told him,

it ain't nothing, you know, Sunny came home and it was crazy. My father come over, this, that, and the third. So they went and got the stuff back, you know. So you bring Sonny a briefcase of money? Yeah, I give him the brief. No. This was the work. The money was coming my father's way, but my father would lie and say that,

or maybe sometimes he wasn't lying, but in the beginning he told my mom that he would hit a number. But he was lucky. He used to hit street numbers all the time, you know. But he would come in, you know, and everybody in my family, They'll tell you, man, if he was to, I got another cousin that's real interesting. So you were dropping off suitcases full work? Yeah, of work.

How many keys do you think were in there? I know how many, like a few times Sunny will open it, but now that I know what they were later, it was probably 10 at a time. He was giving everybody five a piece, but he was getting Sonny 10 of. So you were a 10, 9, 10, 11 years old? Yeah, and I would hand in and Sunny would give me. With 10,000 grams on you. Yeah, it was crazy.

And then Sonny would give you money in a duffel bag? No, it wouldn't even. Sometimes it would be trash bags full of money. It would be duffel bags, and I would be dragging it, you know, dragging it out to my father here to see me. I get it to the car. Anything, when my father, he was like, anything I did, he gave me money. You know what I'm saying?

Wow. So you'd have a bag with like a, because bricks, what do you think your dad was giving bricks for? I know what they was. He was, I only knew this because when he passed, he ended up on 375, but they said it was for 30, 30, I'm no, 15. It was 15 keys. He was paying about 25 apiece back then, and he was selling them for Sunny to Sunny and them for 40. So you would have like almost a half a million dollars in your little hand.

That was nothing, man. My family members to tell you, they used to help us count money. My father, he had it. Did you ever count up with your family? Yeah. I said, not only people I trust it, I mean, when we get around to when I started doing it, you know, how Robert Wilson took me down, it's, you'll see. It was only money. He couldn't, I never let nobody see what the other person would do. And I talk back. And I talk back. about everybody. Today's episode is brought to you by my favorite company on earth, Hymns. Do you guys know erectile dysfunction is more common than you think? I've heard, I don't know nothing about it, but thank God there is treatment. Through HIMS, you can access personalized prescription treatment

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Yeah, it's names, but it's more like, like, for Willie Davis, he might have had, like, the number of his first name, that, you know, the letter. You know, like how they say 12, you know, law, that's the 12 letter. Like, he had, so, you know, Willie Davis, he had, you know, if it was the 26th or he'd have a 26th, then. So I knew it was Willie Davis, but I knew who owed the money. So when I'm going through it, what happened was somebody came by the house. And when he came by the first time, my mom was like, don't answer the, you know, it was like the Jehovah Witness was at the door. But I didn't say nothing, but I kept looking and I'm like, man, this dude looks familiar. You know what I'm saying?

It was a dude that, well, I told Mom, it looks like a guy named Roach that used to be with, you know, my godfather, Pablo Acosta. So I was like, why would Roach, you know, my mom not answering the door, you know? So the second time they came probably was about two or three. days later, so I just went and opened the door, man. I went and got the pistol. My father had a 38. I never forget. I had some blue shorts. They was cut like you cut baloney when you were to fry. I opened the door. I was like, man, what's up? And he was like, little George, you know what I'm saying? He went to the pun. I stepped back. And I was like, man, what's up? He was like, man, we need to talk.

He was like, you know, white girl here? And I'm like, nah, man, you know. I was like, what's up? So we sat down on the porch. I let him in. We sat on the porch. I went and got him something to drink. He always wants something to drink, so I went to him something to drink, and he was trying to explain to me that, you know, it was some business that you need. I said, man, just spit it out. You know, I was like, what you need. You know, we got some food or, you know, know, what you need. No, he was like, nah, man, you know, Jorge owed us, you know, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some money. So I'm just like,

okay, you know, you know, I go in the house. I'm like, I leave him on a porch. I go upstairs and I ask my mom. I said, mom, it's Mr. Roach. She was like, she thought I was talking about Banks Roach. He used to live in our basement, but we put them out. I was like, nah, it ain't Banks Roach. I said, it's the guys from overseas, you know. Okay, so, that's important. So these are the Mexicans.

Yeah, that's, this is Roach. And Roach is not, but Roach is with a Colombian guy. They're coming because my father was always on time. He's never. Okay, so hold on. Your dad was, I thought he was copping from Pablo Acosta. Right. But you got to understand by now,

Pablo is in, Pablo going to some kind of war. He's going through something down there. Okay. Because we're not going down there. My father's not driving no further than either New York or sometimes we'll go to California or we'll come to Texas. He's not going back across the border. Because they're in a war right now. Yeah, and they were trying to already trying to other factions was trying to make my father because he was doing stuff for Pablo.

The little smaller guys were trying to force my pops to take, you know, some guys he would help if they got an extra fit to him. I'll bring you some money for this later. But, you know, but he owed them. He owed for the cocaine. That was the Colombians. Okay, so he was dealing with Colombian cocaine. Yeah, he was dealing with the Colombian cocaine. Got it. But they were still running it through Ojanaga.

You see what I'm saying? So my thing was, it was just getting hot. So we used to have to drive to different places. Sometimes we go to LaGuardia, so they try to switch over the planes. How were they getting the bricks in to your father? My father, I don't know how they got them in with him. But I know we used to drive up to New York. He would leave the Winnebaco in a shop.

It was a shop. They would always change the tires. They would always open that compartment. up and they will put them in there but the last time we went up there we took the van it wasn't as much he didn't bring back the weed was kind of like fizzling out right they was putting the weed in the side quarter panels on the van right so but the cocaine was going into the floor there was a little floor safes and they were hold 10 here 10 here and then it would be 10 turned this way in the back so he was getting 30 he was bringing back 30 keys right so most of that was going to

sunny res but by this time sunny reds was dying of cancer so sunny couldn't get out there so he So he had one of his runners, and I think that's what Ronald Brown that I was telling you about earlier. Everything always ties back together. He was giving each one of these guys. Like, you know, he was getting 30 here. He paid for 15. He told me, Roach said he paid for 15, but he still owed for 15. So your dad was dealing with the Kali cartel.

If he was going up to New York, probably, right? Now, hold on. At first he was dealing directly because the only person that Pablo would deal with at first, I mean, was Pablo. Everybody keeps forgetting that. Like, the Kali cartel came. in, they became big after they put the mix and, you know, helped the government get Pabloito. No, no, no, no, no.

They were big already. I mean, they were big, but I'm talking about for us. So what was your dad going up to New York to get bricks from? That wasn't, that wasn't Pablo O'Costa. Nah, he wasn't doing nothing with Pablo Acosta. Whoever he was dealing with up there, they just had a route. They was using their routes. Yeah.

Those guys was moving that Columbia and weed up there. That stuff was going up there, but he decided to go there to get the, get the weed and the coke sometimes, but he wasn't getting that much weed, more. He was only getting... That's what I mean. Who was bringing... It must have been the collie cartel. Yeah, they were. They were. I mean, I just didn't know who they were. I can honestly say that. But I can tell you later, they told me who it was, but I can't tell you like then that I knew because I was too young. Okay, cool. So the Colombians show up. Your dad still has a bill out.

Yeah, and they want their money. He's owed money and he owes money. Right. Okay. So when I see the three names on there is Ronald Brown. Ronald Brown came by. He was trying to talk to my mom, but she didn't know what he was coming for. So, You know, she don't know nothing about that tablet. And back then my father didn't tell my mother nothing. She didn't know nothing. You know, he, you know, so when he came, when I seen the list and they came, I was just like, all right, cool.

I took the gun, put on my back, put on my little jacket, and I got in the back of their car, made both of them sit up front. And I told him where to go. I took on the Willie Davis house. Now this, this is, the funny thing about, you know, I used to call him Uncle Willie Davis, but he was a creep later, man. You know, I found out later, he was just a creep, you know. But this guy told me, man, who was that in the car?

So I was like, it's the people that came to the house. And I explained to him, I said, it's the people from over. Like, I thought it was Mexico, but I ain't know the difference. He said, that one right there is Roach. I know him. I've seen him before. He was like, who's that other one? I said, man, he's Colombian.

He was like, why you bring him to my house? I was like, well, why you didn't bring the money to my house, man? You know what I'm saying? If you owe my father, go get the money. And it's weird, man, because he took me down in his basement. It was like a little seller. And they had nice houses. them dudes was getting money even, you know, I thought 25 now, the numbers for me, 25 was way high.

But, of course, they was making plenty of money back then. So he takes me downstairs, and he had the same bag. It was so crazy. It was like a revelation. Now I get it. It was always the drug business. He had the same bag that my father used to always pass back and forth to each other. But it would always have to be hundreds and 50s.

Now I understood it is because they was taking the money back on the plane. Right. Back then, you could just put the money in your suitcase. Yeah. And so the Colombians were like only 150s. It was for them. They couldn't take them. But really, they just wanted hundreds.

But, you know, but he had the money sitting there. So I was like, you know, you're wondering why I brought them to you. But I'm wondering why you didn't bring the money to the house, but you're coming by the house trying to hit moms. So they definitely, if you didn't have those Colombians with you, they definitely would have played games. Why are they going to pay? I know my mom probably called him and told him she needed help. I mean, it would have definitely helped if he brought the money to $200,000 you owe my father. Right.

So we go there to get that. So he owed for five. Yeah, he owed for five. because remember he paid for 15, they sent 30. So he owed for five. Ronald Brown, I thought he owed for 10, but he didn't. He owed for five. When I got there, you know, he was like, man, I've been trying to get your mom's

and your mom, Big Shirley ain't answering the phone. White girl won't answer the phone. So I get that bag. So I don't know, like I said, we didn't stop and count it. They just give me the shit. I go back to the car, put it in the car, get in the car. We go to the next person house. So, yeah, it was crazy.

And you got your gun on you? Yeah, he got your gun on you? You got your 11? You got a 38 on. 38. It was stuffed in my back. Half of the time I get up the damn gun and be in the damn seat. You know what I'm saying?

That's a great little gun. I knew how to handle it, though. It was a little snub nose. But, you know, I was going to bust them too. I wasn't scared. I just told my mom I'm going to keep not answering the door. These guys, I know these guys. You know, but I didn't know the Columbia, but I knew Roach.

So we go to the last person in house. I can't say his name because he's still alive. But he was going to play things. So I went and got Roach. Roach had this little scorn. his lip would almost look like he had a cleft lip. But what happened was he, somebody had caught him, was trying to do something. They said he slid his lip, cut his lip, you know, cut both of them.

But this one didn't get cut all the way through. But so he used to look real menacing. And he was, you know, so when we came up to the door, I told him, come on in. Because, you know, he acting like he don't understand. He kept saying he didn't owe this. He didn't hold that. So he said, what does this mean? So I told him it means 200.

And I said, he said, are you telling me you only owe George, you know, Big George, $200, he was like, hold on, hold on. So he went back and got the bag. He put like a couple stacks of money in there. I guess he was going to short them. But he paid the 200. So when we get back, I take them in the basement. My mom's hiding upstairs, and we count the money out.

And they tell me, you know, they're honest. We count it out. I swear. 700 G's? Dude, I'm talking about it. I'm sitting here like, this is crazy, you know. So they get there, they get their 375. And it was more like six.

But it was like to be sitting here. I'm looking like, okay, I got 225 grand left, and they was like, don't tell your mom, you know. So, but I was cool. We had to drop ceiling in the basement. So, you know, my father used to hide stuff up there, weed and guns and stuff. So I just put the money up in the ceiling, and I ain't say nothing. And I took like $5 or $10,000, and I took it upstairs. And, you know, once they left, I gave it to my mom.

I knew this was going to make her happy. And I was like, Mom, they said they're going to look out for us, you know. Because my father was like, you know, don't ever get your mother. Don't get women your money. that all they know how to do is spend it. You know what I'm saying? So I put the money up in the ceiling and I, you know, I kept it up there.

I didn't say nothing. They left. Now, when I look outside, the dudes had backed up. They was parked in front of the house and it was a, we lived on a busy street. So they had backed up into the driveway and I thought they was about to leave. So I come out there, I said, J'I need something. They was like, man, let me ask you a question. You know what I'm saying?

And I was like, yeah, so Mr. Roach is talking, and the other guy speaking in Spanish. And then he was like, you think you can talk to those guys, you know, those old guys. I said, man, he's pretty mad at me. I said, but I mean, I can. And you say, you think they will see if they want to still do business. You know what I'm saying? So I was like, okay. So, I, you know, they left. I ain't think nothing about it. So, you know, they've gone for a minute. Then they called my mom and my mom, I guess she's answering now. I'm telling her that they're giving me money, but I just come give her a thousand dollars here and they tell her that

the guy pulled up on me and gave me money. But in reality, money was in the ceiling downstairs, So did you go talk to your dad's distributors? Yeah, I talked to, what I did is I wanted to talk to Mr. Willie Davis, and I told him to talk to the rest of them. And Mr. Willie Davis, he talked to the rest of the old guys. And they, you know, at first they tried to work me. They did for a while. They was telling me that, you know, they had a problem with the number. And, man, you know, you a kid, you know, this and the third.

So they was like, man, we could do it, but, you know, can you come down on the number? So, you know. And they're asking a young child this. didn't even understand that, you know, I knew that they gave up $200,000, but then when I really sat down and did the math, I'm like, man, they were paying $40,000. My father was getting them for $25. He's making $15 per brick. Right.

So I was like, well, you know, it don't matter. I can probably knock five off, you know. Right. So I told them, yeah, I'll do that, you know what I'm saying? But when I go back and say something to the guy, I said, look, man, I had to knock off, you know, five grand that they didn't want to do it. They said, no problem, no problem. Your new number is 20.

Like that, right? So I'm looking. So now you got the joints for 20 a fucking brick. But I don't understand. You know, it's like I know it seems like it's something big, but I was a child, man. And you're so used to huge money. It doesn't mean anything to you. But I'm not touching it.

So it's like, it's not like they give me the bricks. And when the stuff came, we set it up. So when it came, they would just leave a car. It would be a car. They would leave it. Mr. Willie Davis, and he'll come get it. He'll come get me. We go pick the car up.

I give him the key. Boom. We get in the car. We'll drive to. his house, going to garage. We go in the basement in that little cellar. And then he'll break the bricks out. And then he'll make sure everything was what it was.

He'll do this little testing. He stopped doing that after a while because it was just good shit. Okay. So Willie Davis was the one who basically took all of it and gave it to his distributors. So how much were you taken off of each key? Well, at that time, yeah. But at that time, I was taking about 15 because you got to understand they only wanted 20. And their number was 40, 35 was a great number for them.

Right. I didn't know that they was taking each ounce, breaking it down and stuff. I didn't understand. I understand. I didn't know none of this until I met somebody later on in my time. Okay. Hang on. So you're making 15 a key, about 20 keys at a time?

30. 30 keys at a time. Okay. So that's about $400,000 and something like that? Something close. $350 to $400,000. Just for me. How did you, what stopped Willie Davis from just saying beat it?

Because my cousins would have blew his head off. Okay. And I probably would have did it. I was seeing some things by this time. It wasn't no playing with me. And I had seen some things when I was going to Mexico. Like my father, you know, I had to sit in trial and watch my father when he fought that stabbing on the cop. He beat it because the cop was trying to beat him.

But, you know, I seen some things. But you had enough gangsters in your family to where you could have killed Willie if he got funny with it. He would have got done. You know, I had a cousin that was murdered to my family back then. And he was no joke. Wow. He was known in the city. Okay. Did you have to wait for the keys to get sold before them?

No. No, Willie Davis and most of the time you pay half. Like if at one time they was getting five apiece, three people didn't agree. You know, they didn't agree. You know, it was about six of them. But I didn't know. Like I said, I told you, I thought he had Ronald Brown. He had him down for 10. But Ronald had already paid for half. They always paid for half up front. Whatever they bought up front, my father used to always spot him, you know. Wow. Wow.

But my father would have never went down at a number. I did, though, but I didn't care. You know, I didn't know no better. I would just take my money and put it in the cellar. So you just keep adding hundreds of thousands of dollars every week, every two weeks to the ceiling? These guys, like every month they would come and get their money. Okay. It was a month.

It wasn't only when they up the number later when we get to that. Okay. You know, they came like, you know, two or three months, but every month they came for that money. So you accumulate, and then you would make sure that the Colombians every month got their money. And I made sure every dollar was turned the right way and everything. So how much is the re-up money in total? You count out millions. Well, for 15, it was 375 for the whole thing at that time.

But it went down. So when they started charging me for, it was 600 for 30. I mean, so it was cool. 20 a joint. 20 a joint, yeah. So you count out 600 Gs for the Colombians. It was easy, man, you know. And then you're putting $250, 300 in your ceiling.

Oh, putting up in the cell. How much did you accumulate? What was the most money that ever got up there? I didn't realize. It started at first. My mom was getting scared. And, you know, of course, my cousin Katina is getting better. So she keep talking about she want to move down the country.

She met a guy named Salas. So I didn't realize until I had to move the money. And the ceiling was bulging, you know what I'm saying? Stuff like that. And, you know, so me and my little brother Thomas, I had cut him in on it now. So I'm about 14. We're about to have to move out of this house because, you know, it just ain't going to work. My mom needed to get my brothers from here.

Thomas starting to play with guns. So I go up in the ceiling and I'm pulling down the little things and, you know, box of shoes, boxes of money coming down. Yeah. So I didn't realize until I was about, I'm going to say, I might have been 13, maybe 13 and a half that I had well over maybe $1.5, $1.6 million, you know. And that was with my mom, like giving everybody money doing stuff, you know. Did your mom at this time know?

She must have. She knew about the drugs. She knew what I was doing. But she didn't know where the mother was on that level. I never told where all that money was. And I had to eventually get somewhere to start stashing the money. And that's where I started using. and storage units.

Okay. My cousin told me I had to get it out of there because it stopped falling. And then my brothers was going to school with $100 bills. And, you know, we had to explain it. You know, just stupid stuff, you know. So it's 1988. You're 14 years old. Yep.

So how does the hustle grow from here? So as soon as I think everything is going to go good, um, something happened in Southeast and Ronald Brown gets, I believe he got killed or something. And I came home, I didn't know what to do. I was like, oh, crap. You know, this is the first time. Ronald's your distributor.

Yeah, one of the distributors. Mr. Willard Davis said he ain't been able to get in touch with him. And me and Ronald, you know, he was closer to my age. So he, you know, me and him used to kick it. And I used to mess with my first wife. I met her around the neighborhood that he used to, in the Brow Village. I met her around his neighborhood. That's where he's from.

And actually, my ex-wife used to date as well. brother. But anyway, he got killed and my mom got spooked. Like, no, I don't want you involved in that C. But it had nothing to do with that. Ronald Brown, like I told you, he owned a lot of, like, project properties, you know, Section 8 property. So he would buy him for a dollar. He was telling me about all of this stuff. So I was always interested in it. But he ended up getting killed. He had slept with a girl from around the neighborhood, put a baby in her, you know, going to see his baby mother around his own neighborhood. And some guy robbed him and shot him in the head right by the hospital with my father died. So my mom gets scared. So my mom gets scared.

I want to go and I'm like, this ain't a bad thing. Maybe she could move. You know, I'm thinking if I move, it still don't matter. I still can keep everything going, but it didn't work like that. So my mom packed up the kids. She had met this minister guy, they sound as easy, you know, anyway. And she moved down the country. I didn't want to go, you know.

But I had to, you know. So my mom took us down the country. I paid the people before we left. And, you know, we stayed down there roughly before about two summers. But it was only 18 months. So how, you know how that works out. We went down there in the summer, stayed a year, with the school, then started school the next year.

The summertime came. After summer break, I got in the fight, we ended up having to come back to D.C. So within the two-year span, we ended up having to come back. Now, when I was down there, I had already paid them to people, and they're coming back, they're looking, they're still dealing with Mr. Willie Davis. You know what I'm saying? But Mr. Willie Davis now, Ronald Brown is gone. He wasn't doing nothing.

My money, I wasn't getting nothing. You see what I'm saying? So when we get back, they're looking for us. So my mom, we come back, whoever my mom was renting the house to, her and Silas easily, they break up. We come back to the house and we stay there for maybe a month. They don't show up then. We get a house, my mom and my aunt Irene end up getting a house together.

This is 88 going into 80. No, this is 89 going into 90. So she get a house with my aunt Irene, and it's off of Rosecroft Drive. And this is crazy because a lot of things happen at this time. This is when the drugs come back. and everything's style really shaken. So my mom, we come back from the country,

and my honorine buys a house in Fort Washington. It's a racetrack there called Rosecroft Racetrack. So when you come down the street, we're the first house up on the left. So we got the whole basement. Man, my mom, it's huge. This place has got to be about 5,000 square feet, you know, but it's the same.

It's a rambler, but it's the same on each floor. So if it's 2,500 feet up there, I mean, square feet is 2,500. So that's big for us. It's like, you know, we're like, cool. We just came from the country. So we down there, I got my own bedroom. My brothers got their own bedroom.

It's big. My mom's bedroom. Then we got our own kitchen and all that stuff down there. But my mom cooks upstairs. So I just remember one day we moved in, you know, but the family came over, if there's nothing to move in, set up the house. And we was there for probably, I know I probably went to school for probably like a month. And sure sugar turned the shit, man.

You knock on the door. I'm talking about I don't know how these bastards did it out. Yeah. They always do, right? They always found us, man. The Colombians. I swear to God, man. So I think Willie Davis, at this time, he had got sick.

And basically my mom, you know, I think him and my mom had messed around for a brief moment. You know what I'm saying? That's why I said I didn't really like the guy. But he, well, hey, whatever. You know, he probably told him what we was at. But, you know, he came back and he had another guy from New York. I can't even think of his name right. now, but he had him with him. He was cool. He was like a Dominican guy, you know, but he had

him with him so he could translate and talk to me a little bit. And did you still have a ton of this money? Yeah, I wasn't. And this is the crazy thing. I had, finally, I had to keep it clean with my mom. And I had explained to her. So I told her, I said, Mom, you're even going to have to do something with this money. So by this time, my mom, you know, she put a lot of it in the bank for me and things like that. But other than that, we didn't tell Salas. Everywhere I went, I had this metal box. And my mom had put, like, this bag in it. We had, you know, we had. We would put the money in the bag, and then she would seal a bag up and then put the food saver thing, you know, suck the other. I was one of them old food savers.

You took about 10 minutes to suck. So, you know, I didn't have a lot of money left, though, believe it or not, man. Because down there, you know, like when a tractor broke or something like that, you would have to wait for Silas to go back. He was working in D.C. Right. So he would go up there, do construction in D.C. Come back home. And then on the weekend, he had come home on Thursday.

He worked four twos. So you're just draining the money's draining. Yeah. So by the time we get back to D.C., man, I might be lucky if I got. like 60 in my mother account and maybe a maybe about a hundred maybe a hundred something right right you know what I'm saying because we've been fucking me I mean we've been messing this money up buying dirt bikes right stuff down the country you know yeah and the only thing I can get my hands on down there it was a it was a New York guy where I was down there for about 18 months

but about a year that I sold some good weed they had the good skunk then and uh his name was cueball man I hope he's still alive for years man what's up cue ball okay so but it doesn't matter because if you can move it the Columbia is just give it to you so they come back boom Now, when I get back, everybody thinks that I'm boy jabbing. So I run into the guy that I was telling you, the close family friend, when he brought the little Dominican guy, his name was black. They called him black. He was darkening me, you know what I'm saying?

So I was like, cool. So me and him kicking it, you know. So he was like, look, man, some things happen, Mr. Willie Davis, you know, the dude, Davis, he's no more good, man. Like, what can you do? I was like, man, let me call around. I said, I think I seen my friend, the one squirrel. I said, I'm going to call him squirrel.

We seen him the family friend, and he was driving a nice car, you know, just that and the third. And I was telling him, I was just getting back up here, you know, I told him what happened. And I was telling him about the situation before I left. I was like, man, you said you sell a Coke. You know, he sold powder. So I was like, man, I got somebody who can get it. You know what I'm saying? Like, I can get it.

But I think he thought I was playing. I said, man, you know, my father was in. He said, yeah, man, I knew your father, what your father was doing. I said, oh, okay, that's probably why he liked him. Never went further than that. But I was like, what's up? So he showed me some. some crack.

So he was like, man, yeah, this is what I do. I know how to cook it up. So I was like, cook it up. Like, what are you talking about? Like, he said, I know how to whip. I know how to stretch it and make it be. I can stretch the powder or I can, he said, man, shawdy, if you really can do it, so I guess he was dammed.

He was like, so if you really can do it, then I'm telling you, man, I can move 100 a month. And I said, 100, what, units? And he was like, yeah, I was like, man, ain't no way in the world. Like the most. A hundred units of crack. Yeah, powder, crack, whatever. It don't matter.

he's going to turn it into cracks. Right, right. Well, with the Columbia is this time, they asked me if I could find somebody to move it, so men are having these conversations. So now, they're telling me now we're not doing all of that stuff that, you know, how we used to bring it in through Cali. He said, we got a direct line. All you got to do is either get to Miami or we can get it here.

You just got to have somebody who can, you know, receive it, you know, have a place to put it. And what's the ticket? Well, now this is the craziest thing. Now that's in the game. So, you know, it's about 89. the numbers, Rafe was on top now, so he didn't regulated the city at about 24. Right.

So that old number at 20 still ain't that ain't no good now. You know what I'm saying? You need a lower. Yeah. So when I was like, man, shawdy, I'm going to tell you, I mean, I can get us 24, but I'm going to need to be somewhere close to, you know. 18, 18, 16. So soon as I go back and mention it to him, he was like, no problem. I give you the price here.

He said, I give you the price here. You know what I'm saying? He said, whatever you buy, he said, if you buy it up front, you know, when you get your money, I said, I ain't really got nothing right now. He said, I can give them to you for $8,500 to the door. But you got to pay up front. Watch this. But if I front you, it's going to be 15.

So I was like, cool. It leaves me a little room. You know what I'm saying? So I didn't stay there long, but I got to 15. So he gave me to, he front me for 15. I think the first time said he could move 100. I'm glad he didn't send it, but they sent 50. He was like, man, we got to get somewhere to put him.

So he had a guy that had a, they had this old, I thought it was a badden it, but it wasn't. It was like an air strip. But he taught people. The dude used to, he taught people. It's right there off of wood y'all rode. I took her about it. When we go to the farm, every time I go about it, I tell a story. You can look it up.

A plane crashed on top of a house and it was cocaine everywhere. It was in the 80s. It's undeniable. They definitely in my case, they blame that on me. But anyway. He gave us a hangar, dude, for $5,000 a month. Ryan Reynolds here for MintMobil. I don't know if you knew this, but anyone can get the same premium wireless for $15 a month

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A whole hanger. What I didn't know is this wasn't an old beat down. It just wasn't a private airplanes parked on these. All of these hangers had planes in. Oh, my God. So, you know, I wasn't thinking this in this lane yet. You know what I'm saying? But like I say, I was with squirrel.

Squirrel, he was. You know, he knew what he was doing. He had cars with the seats that popped open. And, you know, so he would show me little things. And finally, when the work came, you know, they pulled into the lot with the van, stuff like that. They broke it open. I was thinking I was going to see stuff in the doors. Everything was under the truck.

You know, they put the truck on the thing, raised it up. And what you thought was this covering this, everything, when he pulled the bottom of the truck off, the whole bottom was false, man. It might be five here, seven there, you know. But it was 50, you know. And I just was like, he was all excited. Like, oh, man, we're going to, me, I didn't care. All I was thinking was like, shit, I'm going to make $7,000 times 50. You know what I'm saying?

That's all I was thinking. Like, okay, cool. I mean, when it's over with, this going to be the biggest, you know, like take take. Because before I would be giving them money for like half up front, then it would be $3.75, you know, then I'm making $2.25,000. Then I'm like $3.25 and one watch. $350,000. Right.

And see, this was the good thing with Squirrel. He had the money. He had money. He wouldn't spend it all up front, but he was like, man, whatever you get, you say whatever I buy. So he paid, boom, he paid for half of them up front, boom. So he gave them the money for 25, they're happy, but they're like, you don't have to do that. You know what I'm saying? But because they don't, when they come drop it off, they're just dropping off.

Yeah, they don't take the money. Yeah, you can't. They can't because they only had a lay in the brain. Right. They don't want to send burn the road back up in the same car. Of course. They just going back to the airport. They leave.

and they're going to leave the car where it's at? Wow. And that's that. And are you keeping him at the hangar? Yeah, he's keeping them there. But he's doing what he wanted to do with him. This is the last time. Let me tell you something.

And everybody will tell you, this is the last time I was going to be around this stuff. I thought anyway. So you just thought this was a one and done. Right. So after this time, like I told you, I had to set up a meeting in the Bahamas because they was like, this dude, this dude moved this shit at like three weeks, dude. And that you're a connect is the guy that's moving at all for you. Yeah.

So, yeah, with squirrel. Whitsons, bro. And he was, he was stretching it into crack? Or was he just dishing the bricks off powder? Every single one, probably if out of the 50, if he told me you never sell the powder. He said, bro, not until you up up. He said, you just starting. And I understood later why he said that because he could say that. I didn't have a client base yet. He was the end all for me. Oh, so he was, he was making more money than you were. Yeah. So for a minute, you know, for a nice little minute. He had a nice run until I caught on. Okay. What year is this?

Well, this right here, when it started there, this was around 90-90s, 80s. Okay, so that's the year Rayful goes down. Yeah, and so that's, I was going to get to that. Right. When Ray go down, but see, people think that when Ray failed it, it was just, it was crazy. No, because it was guys, like, it was always guys like Ron Brown that was getting 25, 30. You know, these guys tell these elaborate stories about Ray, but, yeah, Ray was getting a whole lot of money, and he did everything. they said he did well did raise distributors when his whole organization went down did his

distributors get his connect or was there a was there a need for somebody like you know by going to deal with them because any everybody who came to dc got killed right everybody who brought work who got killed even our alberto martine is even when alpo came he you got to remember my homie titus had him in the trunk my homie titus had him in the trunk i'll poe would never make it to snitch if if titus right you know know. So, you know, you won't going to last long in D.C. unless you had, you had to come there with it and give it to somebody and let them.

But you had to find the right person, a business-minded person that is still that played with them guns because we were the murder capital now. So do you think that because, excuse me, that because Rayful was gone, you think the work was moving faster? Oh, you daggone right. Because now you got to understand Squirrel, you know, he, knew everybody. He's the reason why I knew Rayful. He's the reason why I knew Wayne, Uncle Wayne, you know what I'm saying, how I knew Wayne Perry, all of the names in the city at the time,

all of these guys, he knew them. He was their age, you know what I'm saying? So he brought a lot of these guys to my bar. Now, by this time I meant to tell you, at 15 to eight months, I got my driver's license, even though I was driving without it. And I also was in barber school, but Mr. Roe thought that I can cut so well. He was an instructor at Blaisburg Barber School. He pulled me into his barbershop on Brinkley Road. And that's going to play. That's one of the charges you've seen in my case that my barbershop played a part. But this is when I became popular, but not for drugs.

Nobody ever knew me for selling drugs. They knew Squirrel. They knew him, you know. So Squirrel just had so much love for you because it seems like if I, you know, thinking like a criminal, what good are you? I could just go to the Colombians. You introduced him to the Colombians. I could just go around you. He wasn't George.

He was just. Yeah. They didn't have, yeah. But see, this is the thing. Let me tell you why. This is the story. This is why I was trying to get to when I was telling you about the playing thing.

Now watch this. The reason, the honest reason why I was never, to be honest with you, and this is the God, honest. I was never supposed to be the plug. Squirrel was supposed to go with me to the Bahamas on that meat that I was telling you about. Okay, got it.

And this is what happened. And this was in, this probably was, this definitely was 90. So he was supposed to go with me and he was supposed to take his wife. He's supposed to take his wife. And I think he was supposed to take their son at the time or whatever child he had at the time. You know, they're supposed to go over there, meet them, sit down and talk like I ended up having to do.

Okay. So why did you have to go to the Bahamas? What was there? Well, this now, this became their base. Because now, right. I see. Now they made a deal. They didn't broke with a 15 key a month deal with 90.

Okay. Who's the Bahamanian? He is God over the year. Got it. It's him in Nassau. 90 was the man that I saw and it was some guy I can't remember his name but he ended up getting killed him and 90 ended up going to war now what but why did you if the bricks were just coming straight to you in DC why would you have to take the step to actually go overseas to go to the Bahamas let me tell you why I was paying 15 is the cost of transportation and this is where squirrel taught me he said man why they child he said that's a good number he said but they went down they came down off of the 25 down to the 20 you tell him me, now they went to 20 so that you can, now they went down to 15.

He said, they knock, he said, dude, there's some play here. He said, what's driving the cost? So I asked them, like, what can I do to get the number down? Well, we can just make them so they fly. They was like, well, you got your own transportation? So I was like, nah, you know, like, I don't know how to get nothing. But they said, but if you can get it from the Bahamas, he said, even if you get it from Miami, you can get it for like three or four thousand cheaper.

Right. You know, because they're killing us for all of the Virginia states, all of the Fourth Circuit states, people don't know. once you leave Florida, you get to Georgia, then once you get to lead there, South Carolina, now you're in the fourth circuit. Thousand bucks. Yeah.

It's higher, higher. It's going up. Yeah. So the price is going up for that. So now we're starting to try to find somebody. We got this hangar. We just ain't got no plane, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah.

So I ended up working in the barbershop, just played a big thing. And I met a guy that he's my co-defendant. It's nothing I can do about that. My co-defendant named Rufus, you've seen his name, you know. And Rufus used to cut right beside me in the barbershop And his cousin, Edward, his name was Ed.

Ed taught me the real estate game. But Ed liked to play with his nose too. So Ed used to get some, you know, some wife for me every now and there's some powder-headed head in there. You know, I'd do something for him just for him. And Ed told me, man, I'm buying a house over in, not Nassau, but Freeport. And I said, for real, man. So he found a house over there.

He was ready to retire because where he was. doing. And this right here ties into all of the, he played a major part. He's the reason why I ended up shipping through the Bahamas and getting the number that I got. Ed bought a house over there that he was renovating. He met a guy over there named Kim Masabi. That was his nickname. Kemosabi? Believe it or not, that's the weirdest name in the world. I'm well aware of Kimosabi, dude. Yeah, I didn't even want to, you know, but anyway, Kim Masabi, he hooked him a big fat, you know, he said, man, if you come over here, I'm going to hook you up with somebody. He was talking about 90,

and I'm glad I didn't go over there because he probably was trying to snatch me or something because remember Freeport was beefing with Nassau. I ended up never going over there, but Darren said, nah, I don't want to mess with him. So Ed said,

nah, I hear the man that you need to mess with. I'm doing some business with him. He was trying to buy a hotel that, I guess, 90, if he didn't own it, he controlled it. So Ed was like, I'm going to go over here because Ed had on his illegal real estate buddy.

He went to Baltimore, about a thousand houses, literally for a dollar. him and this one of the dudes he met over there, the Columbia dudes. And they did fake appraisals on all of them, dude, for 100 grand, though. Wild. You get what I'm saying? He made out like a bandit. So they both like, you know, you can read up on that too.

So they were basically on the run. They were fleeing to the Bahamas after a huge fraud. So now that he got to set up, you know, a revenue stream of money. I said, if you make this work and you're telling me I can get these things for less than 10, you know, we'll give you a point or two off of each joint. We don't care. Right. So Squirrel was going over there. But Squirrel at the last minute backed out, dude.

I don't want to do it. I don't, you know, I can't do it, man. What if it ain't, you know? I'm like, dude, what are you talking about? We're already getting? Nah, I just don't want to do it. So he chickens out. I go over there.

I take my real wife, dude. I take my... You're 16? Yeah. But this is not my wife at the time. Tammy, not my wife at the time, but I ended up marrying her. But I ended up taking her over there with me,

me and Tammy go over. We're sitting in this apartment with an old dude name, let's just say his name is Em, you know. So we're sitting there with Em. And Em tells me, man, is, you know, your guy can't never come over here. He's talking about him.

If he come over here, we're going to do this, and that's bull crap. Because later on, this is how I end up locked up. But anyway, it was disrespect for him not showing up. So we leave there, and we go to, we go to, it was a hotel. They didn't have the Grand Bahamas where that

Atlanta's hotel at yet. But it was another hotel that was kind of similar to it, but they knocked that down the building where I'm mom. We went there and went to the top floor. And when I went in this room, dude, I'm talking about this dude had everything. Like you, he, I can't even believe it's people like black men living like he was living. I only met him one time. I only met the guy one time.

And I was skinny, you know, just tall curly head. You know, he's like, man, you know, you're like, man, what happened to? You know, I explained to him why squirrel didn't show up, you know what I'm saying? He said, yeah, let him know we can't even come over here for vacation, you know, stuff. like that, you know, talking like they would do something to them. So I was like, cool, but I was explaining to him about the number. And I was saying, man, you know, we got dudes coming down from up north, you know, New York can compete. You know, if I'm paying 15, you know what I'm saying, they're selling them for 17, 18, so they got to be, I need to be able to sell to them too.

So he was like, well, how much cash do you have up front? I was like, I mean, I got a couple hundred thousand. You know what I'm saying? He said, all right, so if you can buy 10 at a time, He said, I'll give them to you for six, but it's going to cost you another 2,500. To move them to you. Yeah, to move them to you. I see. So it'll be 85 to you. Right. 8500. So now I can go 15 and I'm still comfortable. Right. So you're making $6,500 off a break. Yeah, $5,500 off a brick. Well, now if 8,500, remember six, then he put in $25 on it for travel, and I'm going 15. That's $65. So you're making, so now my question is, why, if he can just move. them right and get them to the states why does he need you like why wouldn't he just

charge you 15 why wouldn't the Bahamanians just charge you 15 if they can get them to the state successfully why would why would they give you such a good break well because I'm paying up front I see you don't even want that money oh my bad that money doesn't even go to them that's what people don't understand the money he only wants six a key that's all he want everything over six at any time 90 never sees any of this is what he explained to me. My number is six. You know, you got to remember,

this is the same guy that's finding a hundred keys floating in the water. Just the same guy that's, you know, got kids out there every time somebody got to cut a rope. Right. You know, Griselda and them is tan to show up right now.

And you're talking about one out of every three boats is getting hit. Right. You see what I'm saying? Right. So, you know, they can't feed these boats. So he, all he wanted six thousand a key.

So he was basically selling you free cocaine. Yeah. And do you know, yeah, do you know how much a key of cocaine? cost them in Columbia? Like $475, he told me, man. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. But getting it from there to him, you know, that's where another $1,500 is tacked on. I see. The Panama Canal. It's like, you got to pay. Every place it's stopped. That's

what you got to pay. Now, why, what happened to your Colombians at this time? Were they dealing with 90? Now, watch this. Yes. And this is what I was trying to say. They, all along, he didn't know that I was the person. He didn't know. They just knew that it was somebody in D.C. that was moving this and that they owe money. So 90, it was. It wasn't even that 90 was dealing with my father. No, 90 wasn't even big enough then. My father was dealing with somebody totally different there. Okay. Now my father's dead. I get that. Six years. I get that. So why would the Colombians just tell you to go to the Bahamas? Wouldn't they want to keep selling to you? No, they wanted, yeah, they did. They wanted me to meet with 90. I'm

my brother. They wanted me to meet with 90. Okay. To meet with him because he's the one that had the lane. Right. And the lane was, oh, it was a vacation company. Apple vacations. Have you ever heard of him? They're still in business, but they had somebody on their custom side that was letting us give them 25 grand a month. For 25 grand a month, they turned their head, and whatever that pickup truck, box truck took into that private hanger, they put it on that plane. Okay. Got it. So the planes, whose planes? Okay.

At first, they were Apple vacations. Okay. But what is that? Like, what does the company do? They get plane tours? They do, no, all Apple vacations do is take New Yorkers, Californians, and they put them on a boat or a plane on their Apple vacations plane and fly your ass to the Bahamas. Okay, so it's just a private jet company. But they're not even just that.

They're more of a vacation company. Like, say, you know, people who, women who set up those businesses where they plan your vacation for you? Yeah. It's Apple vacations. Oh, wow. So no matter where you go, it's just in the Bahamas at this particular time. and they may have changed it now. You only needed an ID and, you know, another form of, you know, identification, birth certificate

or whatever, Social Security card, and you could just go through. You know, it was nothing. But you went through customs in the Bahamas. I see. So if you can corrupt the Bahamas, which the whole Bahamas was corrupt at this time. Of course. And the dude that I was giving the money to, I didn't even know I overshot, you know, because I'm young.

I'm thinking I don't know how to gauge $25,000. That's $300,000 a year. But I didn't know this, and I didn't care. All I know is they said they can send anything. So we tried it. The first time, when I went over there, I went by myself, I went to go meet him. Like I said, Squirrel backed out. He backed out.

He didn't do it. I went by myself. How did you get your money down there? Okay, I'm going to tell you. The money goes the same way. You go to Baltimore, you load the ship. I used to give my wife the suitcase, the big suitcase with the money. You know what I'm saying?

It's all hundreds. They turn sideways, and it's all around the side. She walked right in. They'll take the bag. look at it, check the tag, check her, she walked right past her. So you're on a cruise ship. You can go on a cruise ship or the plane.

When you go to the plane, you put the money right there. I'm telling you, you put the money right on that thing. They weigh it out because you got to remember them. They go right through. You're not looking at it. It's right. It goes right through. Everybody was shipping their money like that.

How much money were you sending out there? The most I ever did in a suitcase back then probably was maybe seven, 800 grand, you know. I didn't know no better. We never got caught, though. You know what I'm saying? You see that in my paperwork. We never got caught.

Okay. So now you've got units for 8,500. Yeah. Okay. But I only can get them what I buy. And when they front me, still, the number's still crazy. Okay. You know what I'm saying?

The number, it wasn't crazy at that time, but it was still 15. Okay. So, no, but that's a huge. It's still, you know. That's a three and a half is like, that's a big deal. It's a big deal. Okay. So you're getting them for 8,500 total with the freight cost, which is paying this customs guy.

Right. That's the route. That's the route. And that's the reason why I had to go there to deal with that. Once I was a, they were scared to approach the guy. But the guy was cool. He was sitting in this, it was a restaurant called Mojo Bones. I'd never forget.

And we were standing at the Grand Bahamas Hotel. You walk right across the street to Mojo Bones. And Tammy, you know, she was, Tammy, all my women was a little bit older than me. Tammy was almost two years older than me. So when we went in there, she was the only one that, you know, she did most of the She spoke a little bit of, you know, the dialect over there, the Spanish dialect that they were speaking. And the Bohemian dude, he just spoke regular, you know, island, but, you know, you guys understand, but the Colombian lady, when she was talking, she was explaining to the guy what they needed. And I guess they worked that out.

I didn't know. I mean, I didn't understand what they were saying. But, you know, Tammy basically relayed to me that they were saying that the Spanish guy was saying that anything that they needed anything that can go through, anything they bring, they only needed to be looked at. manipulated or anything you just need to go through. He said as long as that truck get there within the three-hour period, you know, within that three-hour period, they can come in and out. And they just go. So that worked out later for when we ended up getting Edward that plane. Okay. So you got the kilos on the truck. How many units do you start with? Well, when they first, when we first got them, you know, we started with about, I think the first

shipment that came after the 50 was straight hundred. So you got a hundred birds. Yeah, we got a hundred. They never shipped anything less than that. And after a while, they wouldn't ship anything less than half a ton. Okay. Okay, hold on. So you start with 100. They load it onto this jet. Yeah. Are the passengers, the customers of Apple vacations on the jet? Everybody's on there. Like, but you got it. That's the thing. Whoever you send with the money, they have to go. They have, they go on vacation. Like, so most of these people don't touch the bag. The bag is locked. It's, you know. So you have 100 kilos is 200 pounds. Right. So are the workers, but Nobody's searching the bag.

How big is this jet? Like, compare it to like a... Okay, let me tell you. See, people who've been on it, they're going to know. So the Abel Vacation's plane is one of those planes that you've seen on Final Destination. It's got the roads in the middle. It's big, dude. It's the rows in the middle.

It's the, what's they call it, a bone, like the 767 or whatever? It's the rows in the middle. And then it seats on the... There's a bunch of people. Like, when you go... Oh, so this is a airplane. This is not like a private jet. Yeah, this is what I'm trying to tell you.

I see. They're full of crap, man. They know that these people are doing this, man. Right. These planes are full of drugs, dude, because the bad, definitely, I'm going to tell you, the suitcases we had were like the, like, suitcase a little bit bigger than it. It was wide. But you pull them with the little handle and stuff like that.

But, you know, they had the bricks in there. You know, they were still bricks and everything. When you open the suitcase up, if the police was to manipulate it, you didn't have to as soon as you opened it up, it was keys right there. Right. And so you've already gone through customs, U.S. customs in the Bahamas. This is why this is such a lick because when you get off the plane, you walk straight out to your car. Right.

You walk straight out. Nobody touch you. Okay. So who's where does the plane fly to when you guys unload? Where does it land? Well, it was landing back then. We would land and we never went to Virginia. We didn't play with them because they.

So you didn't go to your hangar. No, no. They didn't go there. Not yet. That would be really cool. No, it didn't go there yet. Oh, is it coming? Oh.

It's in the paperwork. Okay. Okay. This, they used to land at BWI. And, you know, and when it comes up, Baltimore. Baltimore. Yeah. So when they come in, this is what they do.

This is how you, the ticket to it. A lot of people go over to the Bahamas. They buy massive amounts of liquor because everything's duty-free. Right. Now, this is the ticket. I didn't know. They would take the red tape.

Whenever a suitcase has been searched, they strip that red tape around it. One, two, three, and it says customs, nobody's touching that. If somebody was to literally touch you with one of those suitcases and there was nothing in it, you could sue them, because why are you touching it?

Why are you touching me? I haven't had, since Customs touched this suitcase, for you to touch this suitcase, you know customs is putting drugs in it. Right. See, so that's why the first time that, you know, we brought something back, I did it myself. You know what I'm saying? The first trial. You're picking it up in VW.

But I went over there, but I went on a regular flight. They told me you can take a regular flight, but it don't matter how you go over there. You're coming back Apple Vacations. So you were on the plane. Yeah, I came back. But they gave me the box. I only came back. I was too scared.

I only came back with two. And it was like a source. small, like, it was an alcohol box. It was like some kind of sweet rum. Like, I don't drink so, but it was like one of them rums that's white. I don't know if it was, it might have been Kalua or something. But it was some Jamaican rum. And they had it in a box, small box.

It was wrapped up. Now, I never seen this. Now, understand. When I come through the plane, I'm getting on the plane, you know, in the Bahamas, you come, you walk up the steps. They don't have had a ramp, you know, back there. And you walk from the ground on the tarmac and you walked up the steps. So when I came on, they had back there.

So the dude came up, they had opened. they had opened the sleeve up now. He came, they opened a sleeve up, and they was like, they was calling out all of people's names who boxes got pulled by customs. Back then, if you had a certain amount of stuff or they would pull it, anything you had to declare it. So you give them the box, so I'm giving the box to customs, and I'm handing the box to police.

Yeah, in the Bahamas. Yeah. You know, they take it. You get on the plane. They come back and bring you your box on the plane. I see. After they've searched it, right? But your guys have already been.

They're loading it. They did everything. So do they, does the customs know, are they in on it, the custom guys you've given it to, or do you even know that? I'm going to say yes. Okay. That's why, I believe that's why I got the time I got, because I wouldn't snitch. Yeah, they definitely knew. Okay, got it.

So perfect. And then you landed at BWI. Somebody picks you up? Yeah. As soon as I get there, scroll or whoever, you know, they be sitting outside. I walk straight out, you know, put the box, put my luggage in the back of the car, and I pull off. I got two bricks the first time. Like, but then, you know, fast forward when the hundred.

Keys came, it was crazy. So this is a lick. No, and we keep doing it every month. Who do you send now? Who's on the plane? Then this is the thing. Now, these names I can say because these are the guys, these are my boys. Now, the first trip, I told them what happened. I told them my experience, because I always say, I always do something first, even in prison. If I'm not going to send you to do

something, and I won't do it. So I said, I went and got it. I came back with the two keys. Y'all see it. Right. Shit was good. I mean, it was good. Right. So I sent, My co-defendant. And your distributor is now squirrel. Yeah, he's still giving it to squirrel, right? Yeah, he's the number one, but he's bought to be just one of them.

And you're giving it him, his ticket is 15 now. Yeah, that's it. Okay. He owes that. Yeah, so he. So 85, so you make a quick, so that's three and a half, so it's a quick seven grand just for passing it off. Yeah.

Got it. That's it. So times a hundred. Yeah. You're making 700,000 a haul. And that was nice. And that was nice. It was cool.

But I understand. I don't, even the first, you know, you know how it is, dude. you don't see that money because the money is still owed out. Once you get the money that you owe, you put it in the hangar, you know what I'm saying? Or you put people on the plane

and they go take it over there. Okay, so you were sending the money back also on Apple vacations? Yeah, we had to. Okay, now, so then... That's the only lane we had at the time. Got it. Okay, okay, makes sense.

So you were, so they would just, you would wait to the whole low got sold before you paid for them up front? Yeah, because they only came the same time. It's like, they was like rent, man. They would come like on the, the third. First, they were doing it on the 27th, and then we took that break. When I came back

from Virginia, they were doing on the third. I don't know why they would be like between the first and the fifth, but normally on the third, they would come. It would be there. I don't know whether it was because they had to have a certain person off work in the Bahamas. You know how the schedule would be. They always say, man, a lot of things are moving that I didn't know, you know. Right. But they had the people, you just had to, you had to be the person to go negotiate with them. Right. It was crazy, you know, and it was cool because, you know, none of them ever went to prison because I never took. So you're, you're, So 25,000 remained the cost to bribe the customs.

Yeah. That price never went up all the way until the day when I ended everything. You know what I'm saying? It was always that. I see. But you can get whatever you wanted. Bro, those guys made out like band. That was the best place to be in the drug game.

It's just the guy working, taking the money to look the other way. That was, I think about in the Bahamas, those guys made millions of dollars. And just now they're living. He took care of his little crew. Yeah. He gave, the person on the ground probably got two. man. Right. Right. You know. Oh yeah. They're all getting paid out of. They're getting paid because you, and you knew because like when I came, like when I would come in town, it was a different, like I noticed the first time I came over, nobody knew who I was. But like I've, of course, like looking at the records, I've been over there two, 300 times. They knew you. They knew what you were. They knew who you were. You know what I'm saying? Okay. That's my question now. So you're, you've got like your boys making the trips with the cocaine, 100 bicks at a time.

how is that not sketchy, you know, young black guys, single black men, or just single guys in general? How do you stay under the rail? They take the girls with them. And it's not, you got to understand, every time they didn't do Apple vacations, like I told you, they would only come back on Apple. So they probably was disappearing them on the, on the riders. I never knew. Only time they got caught, like they was able to show, like when I sent you the records, when you see the flight records when they got caught, it's because we started using,

regular flights. Okay, got it. We started using regular flights. I was going to ask that. So you go, you clear, you're on the flight logs going to the Bahamas on a commercial flight, but then there's no record of you coming back.

Yeah, you come back on Apple vacations. You know what I'm saying? It's like you missed the plane. Right. You know what I'm saying? This is what you tell them. You missed the plane, but you ain't worried about customs because we got customs.

Right. So you're not dealing with the Americans at all. No, they're behemian, but they're doing the American customs. It's the craziest. That's crazy. I didn't understand why we allowed I know, that's wild.

But when you go to Jamaica, it's the same way. Yeah, it's like... Seriously. So they do that in Jamaica, too? Yeah, they were. Now, I think they changed it, dude. It was crazy. That's fucking, that's insane.

They're like, oh, these guys got it. Hey, they'll handle security for the most powerful country in the world. What these Bahamanian... It made no sense, man. So they would... Okay, so... And the Coke is moving. Squirrel doesn't have any problem.

No, man. He's actually... This is the thing about... Squirrel, man. We call him Secret Squirrel because he always disappeared, no one to disappear, no one to pop back up. But he threw parties, you know, at the classic nightclub. We had Maisha and Huggers, all the go-go bands. So he go to these parties.

And of course, you know, he threw the party. One of his men about a ball, you know, that's how you get known. So he knew all of the girls and all the girls knew all of the guys. So he always said, I knew everybody. I knew the Y-Ns for my era. They started getting money in a major way. Like, you know, my partner, Cedric. You know, that's when all of them came to play.

You know what I'm saying? Like in the 90s, like at this time, how we was actually moving it, he would give, he did the same thing they did, whatever you buy. So if somebody came from Connecticut and they bought five or New York, they bought five. He funded them 10. He gave him 10. And what was his, did he must have the lowest price, right? Yeah, he always had the lowest price.

Yeah, he was killing it, man. You could still sell it in New York for 18, 20s. He was going 17, 5, 18, sometimes 20, you know what I'm saying? Because ours was better. You know, it was just, we never had problems with supply. We never had a drought. Like in 96 when the drought hit, we never had a drought, you know what I'm saying? Because it was coming straight from the Bahamas.

And so you never had to test the Coke. You knew that it was unwrapped. Let me tell you. You had not been touched since Columbia. Oh, yeah. It hasn't been touched. Now, every now and then, they had a guy that would hold the bricks before. Like, say, if you, they took them 50 or 100.

He would hold them at his house until it was time to deliver them to the, airport, you know, whatever shift that they had to take him in. He started doing this, this BS where he would take like an eighth out or a six. Like somebody's not, and I, you know, I complained about it or whatever, but eventually, you know, they ended up sending him over there and I had to show him like what happens when you do that, you know what I'm saying? Right. Because now I'm just going to call back in live.

You took an eighth. I'm going to say you took a quarter. Yeah. Because I wanted to hurt him. You see what I'm saying? I didn't care. I wouldn't be greedy. It was just stopped doing it, whoever's doing it, you know.

And your enforcement. in the Bahamas, if you had a problem, was 90. Yeah. Okay. I honestly tried to never complain to those guys. Right. Okay. So how did it go from 100 keys up to half a ton?

Okay. 500, 600 keys. Now, this is what happened. No, I'm sorry. Yeah, that would be half a ton. Yeah, about 500 birds. Yeah, 500, yeah. Oh, so this is what happened.

Now, Squirrel had a plug that he was dealing with from either Connecticut or somewhere up north. It wasn't New York anymore because the guy, we was dealing with a guy named Black from up there that came down and he, something happened to him. I think he got locked up. So his connect used to send him like 40 keys. It was always 40, 40, 40, 40. And they looked like footballs. I swear they would be like this aluminum looking stuff and they were shaped like football. So I think they were literally shipping these things inside of footballs. Because by the time they came to us, I didn't think they wanted us to know it. And I kept telling them, dummy, they're not going to tell us this because then we don't know their lane.

But dude, each key was shaped like a little K-12 football. Wow. And they were, you know, it was broken up, but it was shaped into a football. So I said, that's how they're shipping them. You know, because back then they would put them in the towels of the roof and all of that. We started doing all of that type of stuff, too, but that was later. But so he, his connect, something must have happened up there. I don't know.

He disappeared for a minute. And by this time, I didn't know, unbeknownst to me, my guy said he was, selling a little bit of crack. You know, nobody in the city had powder. You know, they were selling crack. So he was doing a little sum buying ounces. It was a guy named Ray from our neighborhood. And, you know, he probably was getting maybe an eighth of key or quarter key, nine ounces, three and a half, maybe four and a half to a nine.

And, you know, he would get it probably for, you know, three, 35 selling ounces for, you know, back then sometimes he would go up as much as 12 if it was a drought. But, you know, I'm talking to, you know, 2000, then he had drop it down to 12 to a thousand. And I kept telling a Cid. I was like, man, why you keep messing with that clown? He said, because man, this stuff pure. I don't want to mess with that stuff the squirrel got because squirrel will be whipping it. Now, this is the thing.

Even though squirrel was my man, he never, he would take me with him when he whipped. But I didn't understand what whipping meant. I thought it was just taking a key, converting it to a key of crack. And I was like, yeah, y'all selling it much cheaper, man. I don't want to do that. I'm going to lose money.

He said, nah, man, when you whip it, you get back to extra grams. And he was the first person. I've seen guys cooking on top of the stove, make it look like popcorn. He was cooking in the microwave, dude. And he was using the big pyrex. And this is where we went from 100 to 500 because he would take the big pyrex,

the biggest one, he'd get the oversized conventional microwave. And he would take a cake mixer, man. Watch this. See, people don't really realize. I learned this from being over there with Uncle Pablo, that cocaine ain't nothing but a liquor. with anyway. It's paste. So he would put the, break the Coke up real good on the, in the parracks. Then it would take just enough water, man, just enough water to make it sudsy.

You know, you chunk it with the ice pick, boom, boom, boom, and it'd just be sudsy. You're not putting a lot of water in it. Then you would take bacon soda, whatever amount. That is you had to be careful. Because unlike what I hear a lot of guys talk, they're not telling you all the truth. I'm going to tell you, this is how you stretch your money. They would take the Coke and whatever you wanted to bring back, I heard a guy say three kids, nah, we never did that. If he put one-on-one, it's going to be trash, you know, because it was a good Coke, but you just can't do that. And it's going to, people are going to smoke it, it's going to leave a black resident. So to make it good, no more than a half a brick. We started out that the formula was a half a brick.

You put it in there, you put 500 grams, you put you, if you put, if you cook in a quarter at a time, which he told me, at first we did, Aides, it would take too long. It would take us literally three days to cook it. So he started cooking a quarter at a time. So you'll take 250. Put it in there, boom, chunk it up, wet it. Then you'll take an eighth key, four and a half. You take nine ounces put in there, then you'll take four and a half and drop it in there baking soda.

And remember, it's only enough water to make it just a little soupy. You put the whole mix in the microwave, set it on five minutes. Man, in about three and a half, you're going to see bubbles. In five minutes, every bit of oil. It's going to be brown oil floating.

It ain't nothing but oil. And all you're going to see is the baking soda at the bottom of the parricks, floating, you know, the Coke is floating over top of the baking soda. You take this cake mix. Johnny, put both of the blades on. You hit it. It's hot.

You whipping it. You got the sink, you got the water, you got the ice. You whipping it. As soon as it started looking like cake mixing, you see them lines, he tell me, when you see the lines, it's time. It's Duncan Hines time. You take the whole jaw, and you put it in the sink. It's going to lock up.

By the time you take the cake mixer out, you just see, you can take the cake mix and do it over top. It'll be like the icing. It would just make a design on top so it make it look like you dropped it in water and it just folded. But really, you whipped it. Now when this cookie, you take the water, you take the ice off it, you dump it off. You take your little razor blade and you cut around the edges. The whole cookie come out. It's circle.

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So you just earned 125 for free? Four and a half. Right. Exactly. So by the time you finish, you got a half a brick of hard. Right. This where the money came. Okay.

So off of one kilo of powder cocaine, how much, just in, just in grams, off a thousand grams of powder wholesale that you brought back from the Bahamas, how many grams did that a thousand become? Of crack? Yeah. 1,500. Okay, got it. So you were basically, yeah, 50% up.

So you turn... Getting a whole key and turning it to a key and a half. Right. So off 100 keys, you got 150. Please, Lord. And it's never been a time. Like, if I let Squirrel do it, it's never been a time he's putting less than that.

Wow. Now, sometimes... He's selling the, the Kratos of crack wholesale? Yeah. For sure. He put back then wholesale was 24, dude. dude. Wow. So he's making 24, but you got to remember, we're still making the amount.

See, this is, this was squirrels. He's a genius, man, that I think. I was on the phone with him earlier. It's crazy. So he said, we're getting 36 ounces. We're going back to the day when the key back of the day was to buy a key for 24. This is what everybody wanted. My first key for 24, but you got 36 ounces.

You got dudes on the streets. You sell them to them for 1,000 apiece. So now you're taking 24,000, you're making 36. But this was a way to make 36,000 without having to pay. pass out no ounces. But you're making everybody independent now. Now they can do it. Right. So now a key that you would have had to sell for 24, you can sell for 20. You can give them

the whole thing for 30. Why do you care? He's paying me 15. He's making $30,000. He's making more to me. I'm only making $6,500. But now I went in. It wasn't enough for you. Yeah, because my thing was this. But you had millions of dollars. Yeah, I wanted, but I wanted

to retire when I retired. See, I watched them. What year was this? Now, by the time, okay, now by the time we started By getting that amount, it was 90. My brother got killed 95 in my apartment. About 90, yeah, I'm going to say about 95. Okay, so, and you were actually getting 500 kilos of, from the Bahamas. Yeah.

Okay, that would be. I wasn't getting it. I was giving it to the people. Of course. Yeah, but yeah. 500 was the lowest. Oh, yeah. It was no more coming back.

And what we would do is because you can move a certain amount, like, when we was moving 500, they would like throw 10 or 15 in it. would be extra. It's crazy. And there was never a drought. Never. You would never see nobody ever say we didn't have coat. We've always had.

500 kilos. How many suitcases is that? That looks so sketchy, you know? Yeah, but see, the funny thing, it's not even a suitcase anymore. By this time, it's bold. See, because we skipped over the part, like I was telling you about what Kim Maseb did. Kim Mazzabi, after the dude got killed over there in Nassau, um, uh, uh, Rufus's cousin ended up getting a plane.

you know what I'm saying they were selling one for like they wanted like 400 over there you know it was twin-engine cester right you know what nothing big you know what I'm saying but it was nice and they wanted like four four-fifty I told him I'll put up 200 grand you know what I'm saying he said he couldn't do it so you know squirrel said he'll put up 100 so it was like okay cool it was like we're going to buy the plane so he got the plane he had already had his license he got a boat he got the plane remember you got remember him and a Colombian dude just hit a lick for like a hundred million dollars that they you know they're about to tear they ass up you mean I might need to get him on But yeah, they bought to get them.

So now you guys co-own a plane. Yeah, so now he gets the plane. And now he's flying the plane. This is crazy. Who's flying the plane? Rufus? No, no, not Rufus. Rufus on the plane.

Right. With his cousin, yeah. But, um. Now, why is that better, that just seems way sketchier and way more dangerous than being on a plane disguised as a tourist, as a tourist plane. Because now that we got this, the way they was doing it then, we didn't, all we wanted to plan for, for the first three years that we had to play, for the first, for the first three years we had the plane, we only flew right into Miami. So sketchy or not, it couldn't look

sketchy. You're leaving from a private party. You're still in customs. Private planes leave from customs. People act like they don't know. They act like they don't go through customs. They do. Customs actually walk onto the plane and talk to you on the plane. They just treat you better than they treat you. You know, they're not subjected to anything. So they would come on the plane, which I'm going to tell you what I heard because I never brought my ass nowhere near. But, you know, Rufus said they would just come on the plane. I'd say everybody if they're all right, they'd be sitting there. But under the booth for that plane, man, the bricks is dead. 500 joints.

It might be more than that. See, this is a thing. Because now we own the plane, you got to understand the bottom line is everything. Anything else they put on the plane, I get a piece of. You see what I'm saying? So, yeah, we might got a 500 for us, but then he might have somebody who's going to, you know, meet up, me halfway, or sometimes Squirrel will take it for him up to Connecticut or they got guys. They got guys in New York.

They might come down. You know, we work the prices out. So now you got to understand. If I'm getting the $1,000 to $2,000 off of every unit, even if it's weed, one time they sent 600 pounds of weed, the person didn't come get it. I got it. They let me have the weed, and I just sold the weed for them.

You know, ain't one of them about $175 a pound. You know what I'm saying? The shit was dirt cheap. You know what I'm saying? So you come up like that sometimes, but I used to get a point off of everything that was sent. So I would bring five, but they might send 1,500 keys because now 90's controlling it.

Right. So he's sending what he wanted. I probably was getting the least of it. I just get a piece off of everything that was coming. Okay, so you, but did you still owned, so it was different people's cocaine. Yeah. Like, that's how smuggling works. Everybody puts their own shit in there.

Put their own. They're using the lane. So you would keep, so you would own 500 and then get a piece of the other stuff? Yeah, of everything. So this is, we're talking millions of dollars a load now. Oh, it's no doubt. Now I need to find something to do with the money. Okay, so, right.

And just because you're flying into Miami, all the matters is you cleared customs. That's all the matters. Because we're not wearing a nudge. you have a snitch on this end and the feds are waiting for you. They don't know. They don't know. It's just like any plane landing. People think, oh, it'd be scrutiny.

No, it's no scrutiny. Nobody was blowing up planes or doing nothing back then. What if you could do this today? I mean, believe it or not, I just... I am sick of doing this podcast. No, no, no. And look, the funny thing is Squirrel said it, though. Squirrel said, man, be careful, man.

You know, dudes are probably still... I said, dude, if somebody's still using this after our case, I mean, you know, they might be. You know, because the police get tired. Once they think about it, people still doing... What's the highway up here? New Jersey Turnpike coming from New York. How many people still bring a Coke

through New Jersey Turnpike? You know, they're not going to stop. A lot. You know, but if I was there, I wouldn't. Because after my case, it was busted wild. I think planes are probably coming back because you see drug boats getting blown up. Like, they can't keep doing that forever.

You can't. Like, you can't. Like, the police can't keep fatigue is real. Yeah. You know what I mean? So then they get distracted. They're like, okay. Maritime.

We're maritime smuggling, okay? We're going to go back to planes. Like, the game never stops. Yeah, I believe they probably still using planes, but they definitely can't do like we did because sometimes, like you were talking about the money, we had to revert back because it would be times when it just, it was too much, you know.

Right. Okay, explain that. So were you responsible, say like 600 pieces came through from the Bahamas, right? And just to keep the math easy, the money coming back was like 15,000 a kilo. So that's, you know, five times five. It's $2.5 million. Yeah, no doubt.

Were you responsible for making sure all of that? Everything. Okay. So you were the one to get the money back to- Yes, that was my job, yeah. Okay. To make sure the money went back over. So how do you get $2.5 back?

Do you just put it back on the same plane? No. Okay. See, that was a tricky part. It was, you would read that on a, several occasions, we used to make these body suits. And it was crazy. We would buy nice clothes.

No, never, we never sent a fat person. We used to like, like my sister went over there one time. We put 175,000 on her. Because my sister has these jambongous boobs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Island titties, we would say, right. So we would have these. Amazon, so you know, the money, the bags that you seal steaks in,

the food saver bags, the same ones that my mom put our money in to put it in the ground. And that works. It really works. You just got to get the right kind. Right. They come about this big. Dude, we do 5,000 stacks.

Now, you know, in hundreds, that's about that big. It's not that big, right? So, you know, we put that in there. Right. We vacuum and sit there. So now it's about that big. And we put that around here, boom. But that belt right there is 50.

Right. We do 10 them. Then we do it around here. Right up under our titties. Now, you got to remember, back then, you just walking through. Yeah. You clear the metal detector. There ain't no bars, strip bars, you know, metal strips in the money,

none of that shit. You know, these old, small faces. So my sister go through the metal detector, and this is what they tried to say we were so bold doing because they actually, somebody got caught doing this right before I went to prison. So how many time, but 175,000? Yeah, but we sent in like five and ten people, dude. That's, I had a, look, and that's why I sent you that.

I know Brian was going crazy. I had 12 accounts, you know. A lot of them were in dummy names, companies. I was learning a lot of things. Right. Acosta had a paper guy that was out of this world. So you were still in touch with Pablo Acosta's people? Yeah, his people, but he had a very good, we just kept the document guy.

You know, I had, like, when I was young, I had an ID, and she's saying, and one of my uncle, like, somebody, like, we called him my uncle named Donnell Mac. I had an idea of his name until the day I went to prison, like a real ID. I was using his credit profile and everything, buying cars and all that. Right. So you're putting, okay, but you were sending 10 money mules. back. Yeah, 10 sometimes. Just to get, if I need to get a million, I might send eight people.

And how much were you giving them? Like 125 apiece. 125,000? Yeah. I was putting, no, no, you mean how much was I giving them? What was their fee? Believe it or not, $1,500, dude, that wasn't giving them no money? Right.

Fuck you're doing. You just look, dude, you're putting on a belt. Right. Literally. And I've done it myself, but I was just getting too fat. Yeah, you're walking straight. Why aren't they going to touch you? You know, and it didn't, we never even got this guy.

We never got caught doing that until. 9-11. Right, right. Okay. So this is wild now. It was messed up. So you've got different bank accounts. You're getting into real estate. Yeah. And so now that's where to play. I'm getting into real estate, but I'm only buying. At first, I was buying houses. And I was just using the houses to hold coke, whole money, whole weed. People's wondering, why you got all these houses in Fort Washington? So I bought like 10 big mansions. They was nice houses, man. Fort Washington is like the Beverly Hills for black people in Maryland, man. And you had 10 mansions? I'm talking about, like, you know, all of them weren't mansions, but most of them were.

like 4,500 square feet. Because they were going for like 125. Why not? Because even though Fort Washington at the time was the Beverly Hills for black people, but it was always, it was just like Coconut Grove, the highest rate of foreclosure. Right. So I was in with Coldwell Banker, a lady who liked to touch her nose. She worked at the courthouse for a minute.

And she was the lady, the court clerk that I used to go in there, bring her a bottle of the liquor she liked and give her $500 in the envelope. And she would give me the cheat sheet for all of the tax lien properties. about what was coming out of the market. Right. She would give it to me like 500 of them at a time, dude. Then after a while would be 5,000, but I would give it a $500. She would give me the list, and I would know exactly when it matures. You know, they get two.

I didn't used to get them and wait for the two years. You know, they get two years to come paid. Then they got to pay you anywhere from 17 to 22 percent interest. So I would go buy the houses right at peak. Soon as they come, I put my bid in like two days before. And obviously you're a cash buyer. Yeah, I'm back. I get them every time.

And how do you buy out? house with drug money. All right. Cash drug money. Now in 89 before I, uh, we came all the way back up. My mom had another great idea. She decided to move back down to her hometown, but I encourage you to do it. And I told her I would help her open a restaurant. So she had a restaurant called mortaise. Look at it. I want you to make sure people look at it. She had it for like 20 years, dude. It was by St. Paul's College in a place called Lawrenceville, Virginia. And people to know it was a store down there. He was my only competition.

It was a store down there. I'm thinking the name of anyway. He was a white guy. Had all the Coke in the world down there, dude. They caught him with a plane. He had his own personal plane landing on his own airstrip with 200 keys. He crashed the plane and some shit and got locked up. But yeah.

I can't nick in the name of the store. I think of it probably when we do this show tomorrow. What does that have to do with buying houses and cash? This is what I was trying to tell you. Okay. Now, when my mom, she opened a restaurant. restaurant and Percy's. Her restaurant was beside the rest.

You'll see that everything is always connected. Her restaurant is beside Percy's, the clothing store. So we get her to the restaurant. As soon as she opened this restaurant, the college dude is literally, you can walk down the sidewalk, make a left, go down the hill, come up, and go right. St. Paul's College there. It's

thousands of students there. The restaurant, my mom can cook. The restaurant takes off is going. My mom deals with nothing but cash. You know, ain't no credit card machine. It ain't none of that, cash. So now I'm telling my mom what I need. You know, she's making money, hand over fist.

The restaurant opening at 6 o'clock in the morning. She feeding the truck is going out. So now anything we need, we're running it through moms. So now back then, you got to remember the banking laws was really, now it's not. People think that it's $3,500. Anything over $3,500 triggers them. They just don't make you fill out a CRT for cash report transaction. But back then, anything under $10, you know.

Right. So we would give our mother exactly. Exactly, $99,900, $9,99, you know, whatever. I would just give her, just get, always give it to her. She was running through the restaurant. She was running through the restaurant. And so then if you wanted to make years later, you're buying foreclosed houses with cash, you go through her company? I go through my mom's, either my mom's company, but by this time, you got to remember, I bought the barbershop that I worked in for years.

Roosevelt Johnson sold me that. I think I had the picture of the cashier check. He sold me 10 chairs, dude. This is how Maddie was at the other guy that owned it with him. He sold it to me for $8,000. And he went to open a Christian shop on Island Town Road. But so now by this time, 95, 96, I was working in the barbershop. But Road was talking about getting out.

So I'm buying the barbershop. I'd be owned a detail shop on 86 Richie Road. That was Squirrel's place. Right. So, you know, every day he's saying he was making $3,000. Right. You know, we just cleaning the money. Okay.

Okay, so I see. So then that money that's, that cash, the drug money that's going into these businesses, then makes it into your bank accounts clean, and then you take the money in your bank account to buy the foreclosed houses. That's it. I got you. But I'm just putting the down payments now. See, you put down the down payments. People kept saying, some of them I bought cash, like my one in Florida, I bought cash because that was my, that was where I was retiring to. And but most of them, I would just do what I learned over the years, I watched guys that sold Coke locally. And everybody knew them. So I just, You know, they would buy these things. And then when the government come there, cash out, the government takes everything, but the things you owe notes on. If you owe enough money, they don't want it. If it's not equity in it. So that's why I stopped doing that.

You know, cash it out was cool when it was a 36 unit building, and I'm renting out to Section 8 to 1,200 a piece, and I'm making that $30,000 a month. But it's not cool when you're still selling drugs, and they come, and they're going to take that building. So how much real estate did you own while you were in the game? What was your real estate portfolio? It was big, right?

It was huge, dude. Okay, let's hear it. Probably, at one time, I've probably owned an accumulation of units, apartment buildings, probably 32, four units, and I had a 36 and a 34 unit. Houses, I mean, as you saw, it had probably another 20. Wow. So probably close to 50 properties at a time. God damn.

And you were renting most of them out, right? Yes, mostly all of them. But maybe about seven I was letting my family members live in. And then you were holding stuff in a select few. The ones that my family members lived in, I stashed shit in the attics. Right. Yeah, that's where I kept, you know, I kept guns, coke, money, things like that. Wow.

So this route, and you never got raided during this time at all. This is what's so wild is like all this throughout the 90s? I mean, you moved probably 100 tons of cocaine this way. Because you said you went to the Bahamas, what, 300 times? Probably, yeah. Over 11 years, Mexico? I might be, yeah, maybe, at least I stayed over there. And you're bringing half a ton back.

Yeah, it's 150 tons. Yeah, it was crazy, man. Okay, so this is going well. Why do you then find the commercial route where you're bringing it over on commercial planes? Okay. If you have this private plane route sewed up so much. Now things started getting hot for at Waccountingham. We didn't have enough money that, you know,

cover whether he would get locked up there because now who is edward cunningham yeah that's ed that's the one that showed me the real estate game and they was looking for him you got to remember he stole all that money you know that's right he was the guy that did the scam yeah they bought all of that dag on them houses in baltimore and got the fake appraisals on them and stuff right and it was it was genius you buy something for a dollar and get a hundred grand the bank cash money do right right and they bought a thousand of them things so they was looking for him you know but what does that have to do you i needed a new route he couldn't fly the plane and i don't damn show couldn't do it. Oh, he was the one flying the plane. He had, we didn't know that. He had his

own boat. Ed was, he was really an island dude. This is what he wanted to do. But he was over there now because he had to be there. But now he can't come back. We need somebody who can fly back. Right. So now it's to the point that we go back and talk to the guy at, I'm going to say we, I went back and talk to the guy, me and my partner. And we go back to talk to the guy at the customs played at the, you know, the customs got in. I was asking them like, would it be hard? Like if we, I had started a little record label,

you know, we had a record label called Backwoods Records. And we actually did some things. You know, I was real close friends with Genuine, you know, Genuine Elgin Lumpkin. He actually lived right across. When you come out of front of my house, I used to ride my four-wheelers up into the back of his house. Really?

Jen. So Genuine's a decent. Sea Cat? Yeah, Genuine was living literally. That makes sense. He lived right there in Brandywine where I live there. He sold his house now, and I sold that house too, but that's the house on Tobacco Trail Lane. And we started putting stuff in, like, musical cases, the same way that the boy did for

New York. We was on the way before him. We would act like we're shipping, you know, musical, like, commercial flights, they got a, when you get your luggage, how do I explain it? How did they explain to me? The front bulk part is all luggage. It goes there. You'll see that comes first.

That's where they get that on there. Then you'll wonder, you'll see them coming and you'll see packages and things like that. People don't know this. Planes do the same thing that other people do. They rent out whatever space they have on the plane. For freight, for commercial freight. Yeah, commercial freight.

So what we wanted to know was how big of a box can we put into the plane? He said, dude, it doesn't matter. He said, as long as it, is it, you can't put like 5,000 pounds in there. But if it's something that's 1,500, 2,000, cool, well, we didn't need all that. You see what I'm saying? We just needed enough room for 500. Right.

You know what I'm saying? So they started allowing us to put the plane that's right on, literally right onto American Airlines, right on to Delta Airlines, right on to. Wow. And then what was the route? Was this always still going to Baltimore? No. You could put it wherever you want it. now. See, this is where it got dangerous because now I'm just like, fuck this. Let me put

150 here. Send that so I can cut all of the middleman. Ain't no ed to pay. It ain't nobody to pay. Once it gets here, if it's 85, it's 85, I don't want nobody, nothing else. Now, you know, now it's down to seven because Ed is out the way. So you just have to pay the customs. Yeah, that's it. I'm paying him a month. Now that's just a lump sum. Yeah, that extra 2,500, that's only a thousand now. Right. You see what I'm saying? It's only, it was six for 90 and another $1,000 for them to get it just to put it onto the plane and do what they're going to do, the actual, you know, 90 people. But I still pay customers and let that get on the plane. Right.

So now I'm getting it for seven, so I don't really care because I can, now if you want 100, I'm sending it to you, baby. So if I'm in Detroit and I'm trying about 100 keys from you, Delta, Delta, well, it's a Delta hub, yeah, Delta will fly him to me. You just got to have a guy who's going to be there to get it. And all you have to do is have your, just like you have your baggage claim, it's a freight. It's called a BOL, a Bill of Liden. Right. You know what I'm saying? But it's flight and then it's ground.

So now, so you take the Bill of Lidon down there and you give them the bill of Lidon and then, you know, they give you your freight. And so it's essentially a scaled up way that I used to send FedEx boxes, right? Yeah, that's it. So what ways did you disguise that with like LLCs? Like what did you say was being shipped? And how did what kind of fake names? Like how does all that work? Man, you ain't going to believe this, man.

We ain't do none of that. We didn't do any of that, man. I was smart enough to know that if they told me that we was clear, we was clear. He told me it wouldn't be touched. I put it in, I had my company at the time. It was day family. It was investments. His name was day family enterprise.

But day family investments, we did parties. We did everything, you know, limousines. We did all kinds. We had all, you know, I had a, it was multifaceted. So I had a bunch of companies wrapped up in one. I would just send it to one of the companies. Right. So you just have it.

It would be, it would be a box. It would be saying it's a musical equipment going to the guitar factory. And it's not going to no damn guitar factory. Where so, and then the bricks in, they're just in a big cardboard box? It's in a crate. They was on a pallet. The same way, when they got caught with the, in my case, it was pallets sitting in the courtroom with cocaine. Okay.

602 keys in the courtroom. It wasn't even mine. I mean, it's sad that it had nothing. I didn't make a dime off of that. Okay, so. And then how were you sure that it wasn't going to go through metal detectors or anything on the American end? Oh, no. Because you got to remember when it's in the Bahamas, it's already in customs.

So this crate, it's in a wooden crate. You got to take the hammer or even crowbar, take, you know, because it's, this is stereo. Like, it could be stereo. We might have it marked. be a speaker or a receiver for a big show. Right. You know, Squirrel would make up all of this stuff. You know what I'm saying?

It would be equipment. Or he would say it's a shipment of some fabric that they sell over there or some, you know, products from John Bull. You know, things like that. It was a store over there. You know what I said? We just did anything. It didn't matter because nobody was looking at it. When it came back to America, it was here.

Where were you sending them? What were the cities? We didn't play with too many places, man. We'd say we never best with LaGuardia. We left them alone because they was getting too hot. We would do Miami. I've sent it to North Carolina. I've sent it to one time I did Reagan and we almost got caught.

Reagan National in Virginia. We never did. But most of the time it was BWI and we would send it to Philadelphia. Philadelphia was wide open. Why is that? I have no idea, dude. They just was unorganized and unprofessional. And then who did you have picking it up?

Well, they did. that. Now, see, that's what we paid. That was 90 people. Whoever they had, like, the people that they had is that worked for them, he had hubs in every city. That's why, if he could get it to D.C., people from, that lane right there would be people from Connecticut coming, people from North Carolina, people from Virginia.

So that's what I was trying to tell you. He was sending the Coke, but we would just let us sit in the, in the, when it stopped coming big like that, we would put it all in the, in the, um, that's all going to. on the plane, the plane thing, what you call? The hangar? The hangar, yeah. We would leave the Coke and the hangar that that wasn't ours. They were, darned them, we'd get what they went out of there,

and Sid would get his, and then the rest of the Coke that was there, it would stay until somebody came. But I'm talking about who's picking it up from the airport. These are 90s. Oh, yeah, these are night. Whoever get it from the airport there. In Baltimore, my people will go. It's whoever he's sending the Bill of Ladin to.

Now, if I had a guy that was going to be in Detroit, now the guy who, if you was receiving it, one of your guys would have to show up with a box truck. You know what I'm saying? We have to have a shit together. Now, we have to tell us the truck number because you're not getting behind the, when you're going on to the airport, you got to have a clean record. You're not going back there with no, you had to be a clean record.

You had to have your CDL license. Or if you had a box truck, it had to be less than 26,000 pounds for you to drive without it, but you had to have your shit on point. And when you were supposed to be somewhere, if the plane was coming in at 7.57, you were there at 7 waiting. And you're not driving. You literally have to drive onto the tarmac, dude. You have to drive into the back gate.

They come in, that's why they call it the clear port, and they'll park the box truck, and you set there at this yellow line, and they'll tell you, it's a wall, a knee wall. They come, they bring it, and they put it right on to you. I mean, literally, the airport employees. Put it on it. The driver doesn't even have to get out of the truck.

Did you think the driver, a lot of times probably didn't even know what he was picking up? No, he just was being paid. Wow. You never suppose it was just like, you don't look in the box, and they're done of your business. Who are your, so are these people,

different distributors that you guys have in different cities, or are these mostly 90s people? Yeah, the guys that were, like, in Detroit and places like that, and like the New York, Philly and stuff, I knew some of the guys, but most of them were his people. Okay. Or if Squirrel had somebody up there, he would have somebody up there because he was very industrious.

He owned a lot of the trucks that went up there to get the stuff. Wow. So squirrel took care of that. But, you know, he did all that. And what about your end? Did you ever have to send your people to pick stuff up? That's the way Kareem Bowden, that's what he got locked up for. He was a transport, a hem, Rufus Cunningham, Ed's cousin, the one that showed me the real estate game

and hooked me up with Kim Wasabi, which I never dealt with. But he did make it so I ended up talking to the old man M. So, you know, he still was responsible for me getting hooked back up with the behemians and the Colombians. So, and your deal's the same. Now you're getting it cheaper, getting it for $7,000 a brick. And do you own $600? Are those all yours that you own? Yeah, those are mine.

Those were mine. But the thing was, they were, I call them mine, but I just, I took the money off the top. I just, all I wanted was the eight off the top now. You know what I'm saying? So once I got my money, it was really, it was really squirrels, man. So you stopped touching cocaine. Yeah, I believe. You weren't even, you're just collecting the money.

Yeah, that's it. I was, I stopped touching it. But every now and when then, I had to, it was like, like Sid, I had to eventually show him how to cook, you know, dudes how to cook. Because Squirrel would go too far, like I told you, like he would try to do the thing that the boy said, double it up sometimes. You know, if the drought hit, I'm like, if the drought hit and we got coke and I'm giving it to you for the same price, why are you raising your numbers? Wouldn't we get rid of it faster if you just kept the numbers the same? Right. But, I mean, I understood, like, you capitalize off the drought.

But that's not how I thought. I just wanted the units move so we can start getting more, you know. Yeah, of course. You know, but... All right. So how long were you guys using commercial flights for before it eventually ended, right? It was 9-11. Yeah, 9-11.

I think it was September 2000 when that happened. And a month later, they changed the way they did the things that the metal detector do. Like, Kareem, he was just going over there. And see, this is crazy, but I'm glad he was doing this. He was just going over there to gamble. And he was taking like 31. 1,000 with him, 32,000. But he did the strap thing.

And I said, don't do it. Just put that in your bag and claim it, declare it. I ain't telling them people shit. He went. They hit him when he walked through, you know, you got to remember now the money's changing too. So what I didn't know is they had started turning them things up so sensitive that the bar, like I guess maybe the bar is in the money.

I don't know. But it went off. You know, they used to wear like iceberg sweatsuits. So I made them wear sweatsuits or something, pants that were tight enough where you didn't need a belt because we didn't want them scrutinizing. He went through.

They said, no, step up. And he was like, okay. And when they took the wand, the lady went down. I guess he had like a little wrinkle in his shirt. He said, she hit that bag, man. So I should have stopped then, but they took him in the back and they pulled the money off him.

He told him, I was just going to gamble, man. They was like, well, why didn't you just declare it? You know, woo, woo, woo. So now, you know, I didn't want to, after he told me that happened, he missed the flight that day. But they put him on a later flight. He went. He went over there to gamble. And I think Robert Wilson, the rat on the case, he had called me from over there, something that they had never supposed to do.

But he just called the flip phone. I used to throw him away after I use him for a day. But he called me and told me, man, you know, Kareem didn't come when he was supposed to come. KB didn't come. He was like, KB didn't come. I said, what? So my thing was always if the plan change, the man changed, you know what I'm saying? But this was different.

You know, he probably couldn't call me if he missed the flight, you know. So I knew he made it on time. You know, he sent me the code for that. But, you know, back then it was a text. He just sent the text that just said nothing, everything good. Like, you know, basically a code we had for thumbs up. So he ended up getting there late on. So I was like, damn, I wanted to, is he compromised?

So I didn't want him to bring anything back. You know, I didn't want him to even be in the same. I didn't want him to get on no flight because he was supposed to take some stuff for me up to New Jersey, you know what I'm saying? Philadelphia, no, Philadelphia at that time. And I couldn't use them. So I ended up having to get somebody to meet the guy up there to get it from this end, but somebody was supposed to be on the plane. You know what I'm saying? But Kareem, I flew him back home. When he came home, he told me the story, I got scared. But they wouldn't stop. I kept telling them, I think we compromised because, you know, Kareem had been over there at this time, probably 30. maybe 35 times.

So it flagged him and they were obviously looking at him. Yeah, because think about it, dude, there ain't nothing go off. You know, like, if the money didn't go off last month, it's still, I didn't know. He said it just, they said he went off. So when they wandered him, so now that money got caught. Now we got my little cousin, he was about to go off to college, so he wanted to make some money before he went, derail. So I sent my cousin DeRail over. He had, I think he had the most.

I think we ended up been able to fit like 200 on them. But they needed, for some reason, it was a guy that they had over there named Sammy, but he had did some shady shit with some money that I sent. So not to argue about it, I just sent the money, man. They was like it was 200 short. I know all of this time I had never been short, you know. So I sent the rail over there.

They hit the rail, but they didn't, when they hit him, they only, like, hit his calf, muscle. They got some money off of him there and they hit like the waist bag. So when he left his shirt up, they couldn't see the other top part, but they just asked him what he was doing. And, you know, he said he was in the music industry. He made up some kind of story, but they let him go. I should have, you know, it's just saying they couldn't do nothing to him. It was just money, but I saw that it was getting burnt out. So we had to leave the, um, the messing with the, the, uh, flying on the commercial flights with the money, but we still could send the Coke back.

Right. So he said there's no problem. He said we weren't. compromise and we weren't right we weren't so how'd you start sending the money back so now I had to start sending the money back the same way under the plane that's right that's right how much and you're sending what's an average free up well at this time at this time a couple mill right serious yeah it was like three and a half do wow all hundreds yeah hundreds and 50s it was kind of all sometimes 20s too man the money was heavy dude it's starting to get the money we had to put them in crates we had to do the same thing, dog. Sometimes we were sending like three crates of money off.

And you're sending the box truck into the airport with the crates full of millions of dollars? Oh, man. They said when they used to open the bag, oh, I'm sorry. They said when they used to open the freaking bag, dude, they said he used to smell like pure ass, man. For sure. But it was, it worked, man.

It was just like when they said it was a clear port, it was clear. You know, they had it. We never got popped that way. Like, they never caught the money. They never caught drugs. They caught us on the ground with drugs. They had to do that. Right.

But we never got popped until that. And when did you retire? Honestly, when I really got out of it, it was close to, because I always told people 96 because they had to fit my case. You know what I said? But I literally stopped doing favors for people, meaning if somebody put up enough money to buy 100 or 200, I wouldn't order no more. Probably 2002.

Okay. So this is after 9-11. Now did after 9-11, in like around that time had had it gotten more difficult in the Bahamas did they change anything up it got bad period because you got to remember man they was trying to fight terrorists though it was the war on terror so they was tightening up on everything like okay how though explain okay the airports would get tight where he would start telling me look man y'all can't come we got to wait to next weekend your customs guy yeah he was getting a lot more strict

because they were putting america they was putting americans with dogs And the air, so it was like, it was, everything was getting, they, they claimed that they were looking for weapons of mass destruction, man. But it just seemed like they was looking for drugs, man. I don't know. Because, like, you know, the dogs, I guess dogs just smell explosives or whatever, but ain't nobody doing it like that. They was putting it on their bodies. Why y'all down there where the customs is at? So, you know, I think they just was trying to figure some things out.

But it got real hard, man. Like we, it was like one time the guy called us and we thought when my guy had got on the plane, we thought everything was good. and squirrel and was there to pick up the package and nothing was under the plane. So, you know, when I get the phone, I call, yeah, he said, no, he said it. He said they had to shut it down. They literally had to take our crate off site

and put it up somewhere and then stuff started happening. Right. Brick started coming up missing. Everybody's getting scared. Yeah. Was 90 still moving? Was he still your guy?

No, by this time, 90, 90 was in a full-out war, man. Like, we was still using the routes. We still had to pay to whoever his people were because we never dealt with him on a regular basis. But he still got his money. But at the end of the day, I couldn't, you know what I'm saying? I couldn't deal directly with him because I stopped going over there too because they was trying to kill each other.

Him and that dude was trying to kill each other. And once he got, I mean, I ain't going to say once he got him because I don't know if he killed him. I wasn't there. But the dude in Freeport was murdered. And then everything went to normal over there, but not customs. Right.

So it just was getting other. and I was going through stuff with my wife. It just was, I was just tired, man. You had so much money. Yeah, and then I was out, yeah, I didn't need the money, dude. I didn't need the money. I was trying to retire. I was moving to Florida, man.

I had bought the house, built that big house and built my wife the house in 98. Then I was building, when I built her, her house, because I said when I divorced her, because I was about to get divorced, I was going to give her the house in Fort Washington, and I was going to move to the big house in Brandywine. They just bring the kids out there, visit me, and they take their ass home, you know. So, what about the Colombians? What happened to the Colombians? That this is what happened.

I told them in 2002 that, man, I felt like we're hot. I'm going to need a break. And that's the one thing that... And these are the same Colombians that have followed you since you were 11 years old. But let me tell you. For real? Yes. Yes.

The Roach was still there. The Mexican was still there. But the Colombians that came in was now they were under the guys that was working. They wasn't under the Madaheen no more. They was under the guys that you mentioned. Rodriguez. Collie Cartel? The Collie Cartel?

The Rodriguez brothers, yeah. Yeah, they, you know. And they're in prison, but they're, at 2002, they're in prison, but they're in Colombian prison, so they're still operating the business. Man, that don't mean nothing because Fabio O'Chul was the last one out of all of that. Because Fabio, when Pablo got killed, you know, Fabio and him, him and his brother, they was dealing with them boys, too. You know, so all of them, before they got picked up, they were still putting all of

shit on the plane too. You know, you knew certain ones because they put symbols. People thought the symbols didn't mean nothing. The Scorpio was Medellin, and then it became... The bicycle? No, no, no, it wasn't that. It was the Stamps. The Stamps, yeah, it was a Scorpio.

Then when they turned to the Texaco symbol, it was the Rodriguez brothers. They were putting the actual dude. That was a dope. It was a Texaco symbol. And, listen, the only thing I did not like about that, one time we got it, We had got a shipment of like, it was like 800 bricks, man. It was so over. And so I was like, man, Durham's like, I mean, I mean, Squerb was like,

dude, like, it's good shit. It's perfect. It was pink, though. So they kept telling us, man, it's Peruvian. Don't think it's nothing wrong with it. But the thing about Peruvian Coke, it don't hold nothing. Right. So you try to whip it.

I'm trying to whip it. You know what I'm saying? Guys trying to whip it and bring back a half a brick, but you can't bring back. more than maybe a couple ounces on the whole brick. But if you drop it, it come back. Every gram come back. So it just was good, like, for snorters.

We couldn't do nothing with it. So I would just make the points off it and then, you know, just get rid of it. But we had about three shipments like that. So then what, so these guys, the Columbia's ever got caught that you had been dealing with since you were a child in the 80s? I mean, the ones like I can say, Pablo got killed, you know, the Roger Egas brothers might have got locked. I never met them, you know, didn't know him. When was the last time? When was the last time you talked to Pablo Acosta, the Mexican in Ojinawa?

I think I talked to him the last time I talked to him. Because he was killed by in a raid. He was killed in a raid by the Mexican army. He was set up by another. The U.S. was there too. He told my father the U.S. was there. But they was over there fighting him. They was trying to get him before my father died.

They was trying to get him. He was going to war. He was long gone. Yeah. But the last time I talked to him, that was probably 80, probably 80. shit, 88. I mean, no, no, 87, 80, right, right, right, right when he died. But, I mean, he was, he was fucked up, man.

Yeah. He was doing bad. They was burning all this shit and everything, man. Right. And I couldn't do nothing for him. So did you have a reputation? Because we're about to finish and then we're going to part two, to talk to talk about what happened to you after you retired and this whole odyssey of being

sentenced to life and, and eventually, you know, beating your case, getting your sentence commuted. It was just, this is going to be so fast. Fascinating. But are you known in Washington, D.C. as like an elite, elite drug trafficker? Oh, yeah. Now, yeah, I wasn't known at all before that. I was known as the best barb in D.C. Everybody came to me for headcuts. Even when you were moving hundreds of bricks, people didn't know you? No, because they knew Sid. And what I would do. Who said? Yeah, that's my best friend. He's the one that started moving just as much as squirrel. Okay. Gotcha. So said is the one that was moving just as much of the squirrel.

Squirrel, but said is like he was the muscle. Right. You know, he was shorter than me, but said, didn't nobody play with him. So it was like nobody knew me, but they had come into the barbershop like Fawas drugs and everybody liked me because I'm a real amazing barber. So dudes will come up and get their hair cut and all of the big dope boys, everybody who was somebody came to me to get their hair cut. Right.

But like Sid to leave out and I'll be like the kids of being, I'd be like, man, y'all don't be sweating this car. You know how he got that stuff. I talk bad about him. I did the same thing to Squirrel. did it to everybody. So nobody, everybody thought I was against drugs. So you never had an ego about it. You were just like, I want to be this invisible guy that's just dealing with four people, basically.

That's it. And I had no other, to this day, you know, my woman to tell you, I have no friends other than childhood friends. Right. Daryl Ware, Cedricall, Squirrel, him, James Reed. And all those dudes all out? Yeah. And free? Every single one of them. Wow.

Every single one of them. And all of the guys that I knew that I was dealing with in the street, except for two guys right now, I've gotten them all out of prison. Lafayette Watts, he used to sell crack full of me back in the 80s. He got locked up for a senseless murder that happened down in the Southwest. He used to run up under Wayne Perry and him. And, you know, I literally spoke at his hearing when he came home. You know, get him home in the judge.

let him out, released him after 32 years in custody, to me with no parole. I'm going to let you get the video to that too. I'm going to let you break that. It was amazing. Did you ever meet, did you ever meet Ravel when you were in the feds? No. Raffel was, believe it or not, Rayful was in Lewisburg. They would not let me go to Lewisburg because one of my partners was down there and I was

trying to get there. But for some reason, I couldn't get to Lewisburg. They kept me away from home. Yeah. You know, I was living in Florida at the time. So I was living in Orlando when they came, you know, tried to kick my door and they couldn't. My door was reinforced. Man, George, this is...

Yeah, that is an amazing story, dude. That is amazing story. You know, Rayful, I wish I could have met Rayful. Sounds like a wonderful human being. But he wasn't bringing it into the country. You were bringing it into the country. You would have been Rayful's plug, probably. Yeah, if he...

See, if Rayful wasn't so... Because I had the capability, he was one of the ones I wanted to go talk to, but I was afraid because they... It wasn't that he was killing nothing them. The guys around him was crushing shit. Man, they was crushing shit. Man, they was killing everything, man. And I just didn't want to get in that.

Like, we didn't have any murders attached to my kids. They had a gun that they found in my house. It was a police officer's gun. But at this time, I had a carry permit, dude. I wasn't, you couldn't do nothing to me. Well, I don't know of any other black drug trafficker for lack of a better, you know, from that era. It's not being racist. It's just as what it is.

Yeah, no, it's the truth. Yeah. I don't know any other black drug trafficker that was actually importing. Like, because that's the big, that's, that's what separates the $100 million man from a 500 million dollar man is can you, can you get it across? Because that's where you save that freight. Right. Per unit. Every time.

Wow. And the number one, I found out that over in Pablo Acosta was the one, I was young. But he told me, like, the pounds of weed that, you know, that the weed that he was growing. You know, that was packed weed. But it was good. He was one of the first ones, him, and then the other guys that did it over there in Chihuahua, they was getting the big full buds.

But Pablo was telling me each one of those pounds to him is $50, man. Yeah. Yeah, and he sells it for $150,000, and he just does that $2,000 at a time. Yeah, but see, that's, and when I got that mind frame, it's called quantifying. And I noticed that it's called wholesale. Yeah, wholesale. But it's better, I told dudes, instead of trying to make a million dollars off of one brick,

make $1,000 off a thousand, you're going to get a million dollars. Yeah, it's going to move a lot faster. That's it. A thousand times a thousand is a million. That's what I tried to count. And they're going to give you the same time, likely anyways. Yeah, once you get over 40 bricks, you're done. That's King's doing.

You're fucked. Yeah, and I started out with 30 or 40. And I was like, you know, I really hate that I, you know, I didn't, I won't lie. I heard you say it a few times, and I used to tell Tracy, my woman. I used to tell her, I was like, I hate when he says that, but it's so true. I used to get so mad at you at the TV. You'll be like, I love that the rush. And I get chill bumps now because it's like the first thing when you get out,

people don't know the story, but it's like when I counted that first million and I had a million, I literally, I cried, man. You know what I'm saying? Because I was a kid, bro, and I was always smart. And then when I found out, by the time I found out that I had Asperger's, I understood the numbers. My numbers, like my woman to tell you, I count all day. I can tell her where everybody's payroll is before we sit down and do payroll.

I do payroll for like nine, ten people. And I know that money. If it's $18 an hour, he's a security guard in this section, he's 18, this one's 20. I know, it's like, it's a rush. And I know what you meant. And it's something about getting away. When I came back with them two keys, it was better than I didn't care. When I saw the first time I seen a crate open up or I went into my apartment over in Southeast

and I had 70, 80, 90, 100 keys in the closet. And I was just like, my cousin was like, man, what are you going to do with all that? I said, shit. That shit ain't nothing. But, man, I make six grand off each one of them. I don't care. You know, it's nothing. Power.

You felt power. When I came back with them two keys, I felt like I was God. Because I looked the police right in the face and I knew they couldn't do nothing. What are you going to do? This package with this marked customs, red tape. It means that they searched it. So I even told the judge, do you feel right giving me all this time when y'all helped me bring? I almost felt like Freeway Ricky, man.

Y'all was bringing me these drugs. Y'all knew what was going on, but I just wouldn't, I didn't snit. I didn't snitch so, that's why. George May. Odyssey, man. What a slept-on story, and that's why we're the connect, man. We bring you the stories that others don't have yet. Yeah, that's it, man.

Thanks so much. All right, you guys, we're going to go do part two, man, because the story doesn't end there. It doesn't end in 2002. It gets greater later. George, thank you, sir. I appreciate that. Take care, guys.

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