The Cryptid Factor - 85: #085 The Yay or Nay Issue

Episode Date: November 9, 2023

The team are in Hollywood together and have organised a playdate with Oscar, Emmy and Grammy award winning film composer George Michael! (formerly known as Michael Giacchino). Also, seeing as Aliens won’t get out of the news of late, this is an Alien Special - with news of 8ft non-humans driving front-end loaders, loads of big UFO words in Congress, Highways performing cattle mutilations, a woman having hundreds of alien babies, UFO rodeos and teenage aliens stealing time travel machines to get cow tongues from the past for restaurants in the future. Also, Buttons gets his Theory scored… and let’s just say it didn’t get a 10/10. Enjoy!

The printed factor with Ristabi and Dan Shriver. It's almost midnight on May 1st when a Las Vegas Metro police officer's body cam catches this, something flashing low in the sky. 911 emergency minutes later, there's like an eight full person beside it and another one's inside it and the guys are looking at them, and they're still there. Someone calls 911, reporting two large

figures in their backyard. The eight news now investigators obtaining another officer's video as he sent to the Northwest Valley home. I have butterflies, bro. I've always thought I should be star than these people say there's aliens in their backyard officers meeting up with the caller and his family Like a big creature

Your backyard they see like a big double they say they see like a big like a big something with light but I saw right now I do believe in it. What's clear they're taking this call seriously. Hey this might sound like a really dumb question but did you guys see anything fall out of the sky? Asking others what they saw. I've normally discounted as nothing however um seeing as one of my partners said they sought to. Only reason I'm actually investigating it further. That investigation turning up no concrete answers as a Wednesday, whatever or whoever fell into that yard long gone within minutes.

Oh, hey, it does, it does nice that things come back, don't call us or ideal that yourself. I ain't dealing with that. Wow. And we're back! You might want to use one of your edits on this one to cut that back down. But we're back! Can I mate?

And not only are we back, we're in the same goddamn room. Yeah, this is one of the great cryptid rarities of all time. It's actually quite rough. It's actually quite rough. It's actually quite rough. It's actually quite rough. It's actually quite rough. It's actually quite rough.

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and we're getting on a bit. But hey, we're still rocking. We are. We're rocking and we tried to get to an alien conference together. Yeah. Failed at that because the time ends and stuff. I got stuck in New Zealand. Well, yeah, well, we were invited.

Oh, we were invited Aliens aliens only We were the three humans that turned up What the hell is going on? You can chat to having a look getting to learn what you guys are up to No, no aliens only Well those guys were clearly late as well. They're ones from the news report Oh guys were clearly late as well. The ones from the news report. Oh, they turned up late as well. But the most exciting part about this episode is we have

a guest. Yay! Orquidly sitting in the corner of the room, waiting patiently. Plus we've all been looking at our old faces. Yeah. No, it's Michael Jikino. Michael, welcome to the show. Hi, how are you doing? Thanks for having me Happy to be here if there's any difference in our audio quality of our voices It's because they have much better microphones Well, did you get the notice and bring your own microphone? I didn't see I should look at the text You've got a lovely little microphone that would just sell it up to your just make radio shack proud microphone that would just sell it to your G. This would make Radio Shack proud.

This is great. You're good. Well, they are actually the sponsor of the Zip episode. Radio Shack, thank you so much for the tiny little microphone. And we're so sorry you shut down. But we are so excited to have you here. This is for the listener at home. We're sitting next to an Oscar winner.

Three times Grammy winner. And literally soundtracking our lives at the moment with all the top movies. I mean, everything from Rogue One, incredible soundtrack. That's Michael, 4, 11 Thunder. Oh my God. The Batman, the latest one, the Robert Pattinson one, not the Flash movie.

The Spider-Man movies, the latest Tom Holland ones. We've got Lost, JoJo Rabbit, the Star Trek movies. You've done a bunch of those. Ratatouille? Wow. Up? I mean, up. Up.

I mean, yeah, you've achieved some stuff in your life. I mean, good on you, Michael. I mean, we've all done stuff. Haven't we just done that other than the aimers? Okay, okay, okay, enough guys. Just to make me feel more and more worthless. This is incredible. What is my life being worth?

I haven't done even one movie I haven't scored. I'll give you the next part of the episode. You can do that. I can do that. I can do that. I'll tell you, I love most about you, after so, Michael, is the fact that you are willing to jeopardize every single job that you have by insisting,

no matter how serious a musical piece is, to make sure the title of the piece is a pun. Yes. Every look I've just been going to your Spotify list. I mean, I can't believe it. The, let's see, we've got the Spider-Man movie here. We've got On a Ned-to-no basis. LAUGHTER

We've got the magical Mysterio Tour for that same movie. Star Trek Beyond. We've got Star Trek Beyond. You were just chuck it in back to the future references a long time. We've got, where is it? Hack to the future is one of them. Yes, I remember there's one where will it still make fly? Yeah, will it still make fly? Do you know, actually, can I just quickly ask? Because we went out on a boat trip yesterday and almost every boat has a pun for a name.

Do you get your inspiration by going out of the harbor quite often? Right. Actually, I go down there. Usually it's the first thing I do. It's where I jog. I go check out the boats. And you know, boats come in.

I make notes of the puns. The names of the puns. I thought about it. And the other place do you get puns? Do you go to hiselons and barbershots? You know, a cut above. Oh, yeah, constantly. Like, you know, the names of like you know like or the nail salon it says nailed it right like yeah exactly or yeah yeah exactly I just wander around looking for that stuff

it's incredible actually there are people that are very upset that I do that right very upset like you go and message boards they're like does he not take this seriously what is wrong with this guy? Yeah, this is Star Trek. This is not like, you know, they chewed it like, you know, the Bible like I'm going in and renaming and redoing that. I was by the way, not about it. Yeah, that's a pun to breathe in. Yeah, exactly. This is the fanatics. They really, and you know, you get that with those big franchises as well and soon as you put a little bit of comedy in there they get upset

Tyker's had that a lot And even I felt it when I did X files and I was really proud of the work It was a really funny episode was one of the best of the new ones It was a monster of the week episode and I was the monster and and someone came up to me and New Zealand and a bar and said Hey man, just on ex files. Oh, hey, yeah, sorry, yep, yep. Why, man, what'd you do? What?

Why would you do that, dude? Why are you running my life? Yeah, exactly. I was so taken aback. It's funny when you realize not everyone has your sense of humor, not everyone, you know, and the pressure of seriousness and dramatic intensity that they want, not everyone, you know, and the pressure of seriousness and dramatic intensity that they want some people from things like Star Wars, which is clearly just a hilarious fantasy

thing in space with shiny helmets and lightskeepers to then the Marvel stuff, which is comic books, it's kids' comic books, you know, it's, it's, it's got a, and they have such humor in them, the original books and stuff. And then they look at, you know, some, like Thor or something and say, oh, it's just not taking it seriously. But even if not taking it seriously. The original seriously. It's finals. There was a lot of humor in that between.

Oh, yeah, it's kind of like, of course. And you know why? Because there's humor in life. Yeah, yeah. And I can't stand watching a drama that doesn't have any humor in it. Because even in a dire situation, we find a joke, which alleviates some of the pain in what have you. So, yeah. Well, and the great thing about being here in LA, and one of the reasons why Michael is

here is because in LA, there one of the reasons why Michael is here is because in LA, there's just super famous accomplished people working. Michael is literally just walking past the house that we're in. I was looking for puns outside. I was looking for puns outside. And the bushings, I thought I was going to the trash

seeing if there's anything. I don't even know you guys are in here. We saw Michael walking past and around his neck he has wearing a day pass to the International UFO Congress. And it just so happens that this episode, because of the news report that he's played earlier, is a UFO special. And by the grace of the matrix and lazy code You are sitting on this sofa

But I am apparently I don't know if it's another punters that I see your name rather than Oh, yeah, I didn't put Michael Chiquino. I put Michael George That's my middle name because you know, I'm wandering around this thing It's It kind of looks though, like you're trying to go to an international UFO conference. George Mike. Yeah. Yeah. He never really left us. No.

No, it's fantastic to have you here with us. It's 2016 that you're wearing it for the year 2016. Wait, what year is this? I know, I was just saying. It's 2016. It just happened again to me. Oh, wow. Something's happened.

There's been a slip. There's been a time slip. I gave you a code. Oh, God. It's terrible code. It's not lazy code. That's just that broken code. That was the last time the world was great. It was before a lot of shit went down.

I don't want to be quoted on that because I'm sure there was some bad stuff there as well. But hey, at least there was no pandemic and that really altered the world through us into a real odd flux. We're pulling our way out of it now. I should also mention that Michael and I are sons of friends at school, so that was the other. And this is essentially our play date. This is our play date. Our sons are the boys. You guys are going to hang out. Yeah. So we've finally done it. And yeah, it's an absolute honor and pleasure to have you here by the way. Oh, thank you for having me. This is like what I would be doing anyway. So this is perfect.

2016, by the way, one bit of sad news from 2016. Yeah. You know who died in 2016? Is this just fresh out? Fresh news out? We have the way in 2016. Everyone who died in 2016. Here, I know!

Come here, go for another one. That's how we started each episode. I took a year. In Memorial. The Immemorial. We brought you in to do the music for us. Yes, that's a very sad story. George Michael.

No, what? What? Lazy code. What? Lazy matrix code. Did you watch Michael? Did you just know that? Or did you?

I remembered it and I quickly Googled it. He's good. I thought that's when we lost him. Yeah. Just quickly, being a UFO special, Michael, I remembered it and I quickly Googled it. It was good. I thought that's when we lost them. Just quickly, being a UFO special, Michael, what's your opinion on UFOs and what got you into it and give us a quick little rundown of your awareness? And just before you do, I thought when Dan was saying that you're willing to risk your career by puns, I thought he was going to say, by coming on this podcast, talking about aliens and wisdom. It's kind of a bigger risk than puns to be risked.

My whole career, I will try. It's fine. I'm going to see which one works. You know, maybe this will be the one. I think it might be. I've finally got him. I have loved this since I was a kid. I mean, I grew up in New Jersey, okay? And the thing that I was most terrified of growing up in New Jersey was Bigfoot. I had no reason to be afraid of Bigfoot. I lived in like a levitown style neighborhood that was like a post-war type thing.

And you know, there's no Bigfoot was out, but I would watch in search of things, shows like that which I was obsessed with. Things like that or or Boggy Creek, or those kinds of films that were just like, terrifying, but I loved it. And every night when I went to bed, I had a ritual because I was so terrified of Bigfoot.

Every night I go to bed, I'd be like, in my pull my carers up, I'd look at the windows, I had two windows, and I would imagine in my head, like a blast shield coming down over the windows, like so that it could be sealed for the night. And I'd have to go through this little ritual as a kid every night, so I could be protected so that big foot could not,

because where my room was, there was a roof outside, and you could just hang out on that roof if you wanted. And I always thought, oh my God, what a big foot climbs up on the roof. And then it's just like, it's right there. It's right there. So I had to imagine in order for that.

And I always had these weird things like, I would look, I had a, well, not a digital clock. In those days it was a digital flip, you know, the other thing that's been like in last. Yeah, oh yeah. It was that, and- Another one you scored as well, by the way. Just subtle reference in there, I saw it, nice work.

Yeah, we're gonna get through all of them by the end. I would, it would have to be even numbers before I could close my eyes to go to bed. So it's all these like rid little things that would be like these like, they're rituals that would keep me safe from aliens. Finally enough, I just did a Naya waskis ceremony and they did a very similar thing in the start,

I think they put Blaschields down or at least a cone or protection Yeah, and that to stop bad energies coming in and so it is you were actually probably doing quite a spiritual Yeah, yeah, I couldn't go to sleep unless I did it That's awesome. Do you still believe in Bigfoot now? Well, he's so years, you know, I just did the, I'm going to name another one. I just, you know, did Where Will F. by Night, right? So I directed that for Marvel. So that's one of the first, like, there was this room in that show where it had all the heads of all these monsters that had been killed and hunted over the years. And one of the heads I made was Bigfoot. Right. Because I was like, I got it. I got to have that up there, right? So,

so that, So I had that up there. I remember just being on set looking at that thing. So I can't believe all these years, like I can't finally have big puts head on the wall. I've taken care of it. He's not that I would want to kill things that I don't know why, but I but that was so now it's in my studio at home. So the guy that everyone at Marvel said to be this massive box at Christmas. And they said, we, you know, we figured your head was getting big enough. We're going to send you another something that's even bigger than your head, which is huge. So now that thing is sitting there.

I got to figure out how to mount it. But when I look at it, I instantly just think of my childhood and the things that I that I love. And it was more of an amazement of what else is in the world that we don't know about. Yeah. You know, that's what I think I love the most about it. That's what we've in the world that we don't know about. Yeah. That's what I think I love the most about it. And that's what we've always loved is that we haven't solved everything. Yes. And I think if you get to a point where humanity has solved everything, then what are we here for? Yeah. When we stop searching, going back to insertio.

Then where's the joy? Because we just we know everything. And even if you go even further back to the philosopher kings, you know, back to ancient Greece, the heroes would be the ones that are talking about stuff we don't know about. Yeah. So it's sort of like in search of wisdom. The wisdom back in those days,

and I'm going, I know I'm spiraling into a hole. I'm not going to get out of hole. I'm not gonna get out I'm gonna get put from the foot from the bottom And I can see you guys already Putting ropes down and I'm but I'm I'm seeing your ropes, and I'm going. No, I'm still five And I'll just actually grab onto one of them I'm grab onto yours Dan. Thank you guys could pull your other ones up on Geo's Dan, you guys could pull your wonder anything anymore. You can just instantly know about it. Yeah, but as a kid, it was like, you would sit with your friend and you talk about,

okay, let's discuss Bigfoot, like, what's the probability of this? And you could talk, and there was nothing, well, not that you could get on the internet now and find out really what the truth is. So we are convoluted with disinformation on the internet now. You don't know what's real and what isn't. And we're also as humans making stuff not real. And so we bleed into artificial intelligence and we're making things so realistic that you think, there's so many photos now. And you go, what? That have been created by AI and you just can't tell. And so it's just getting

murkier and murkier. We're getting further and further away from being able to prove any truth because right now if I came back from the forest with video of Bigfoot that was clear and irrefutable, the very first thing is going to be a people going to be like that's generated by AI. You can do it so easily now that we, when our podcast started through the last 12 to 13 odd years, we went from, if you wanted to try and fake a video of Bigfoot, it had cost thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars and 3D rendering time, which was nearly impossible. To now, it being an app on your phone, you go, here's a shot of my backyard, please put

Bigfoot in it, you'll be a great athlete. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, so we've effectively gotten further away from being able to put it. But are we getting further away? Are we getting actually closer to the core of what is actually happening? The answer to it all. Yeah, which may or may not be the fact that this is a simulation. So simulation! Right, which may or may be, you know, which way is it really going?

Okay, I don't know. right which maybe aren't you know which way is it really going yeah I think we're in that real amazing point of uh we're on the edge you know we're we are we're just starting to figure it out and that's why you're talking about there's been some slips and reality there's been some we were talking about sloths before you turned up and then you turn up with your sloth pants on yeah and it's like these little coincidences are becoming more and more crucial to kind of help us with our understanding of the universe we're living in. It's really exciting time to be alive. It's incredible.

Which incidentally is another score that Michael did, the Incredibles. I think to the point also, when you're a kid, I remember sitting around and talking about Bigfoot and not knowing where to find more information. And one thing that I really feel it helped me with and I wonder if for you guys as well as a storyteller was born as a child where you're creating kind of possibilities. You're looking for alternative thought it's and because it's so invoctive of a beautiful image, this guy hiding inside the woods. part of my creativity, I would say, was hugely born out of those conversations as a kid, trying to work it out for yourself, not being able to have

something debunked in your face the second you say is. Yeah. You know, like story tellers around a fire, right? It's like, you know, the way you would just like carry on an oral tradition of all of those things as a kid and ghost stories and everything, you know what I mean? All of it is just the greatest. And because those stories require you to act the story out in a way that gives the person goosebumps in the way it gave you goosebumps. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that's the fireside, isn't it? Yeah. Actually, my ghost stories are so amazing. Well, isn't it a thing that I really love, particularly about cryptosoology, but also aliens

and the like, is that it is basically fairy tales that we get to keep believing in, or at least have the ability to stole. Because they're not disproved. Fanticized about it. Yeah, exactly. As soon as they're disproved, it's one of the things that as a cryptosoologist, you're almost totally fearful of somebody proving, so when they, the Yeti and they go, I found some DNA, it's actually a bear and you go, well that's,

if that was true, that's great because we're proving, but it's also really sad. The creature has almost died. Yeah and when some of those pictures are disproven, so like obviously you've got the surgeon's photo of Nessie, which it was from 1930, was it? And then it was disproven like in the 90s, I believe. And then also the famous theories one, number the theories, the kind of thing. Which is what.

Things like that, and they of course become ammo for the skeptics to go, oh, it's all bullshit. And the one that's always on the cusp of yay or nay is of course the Patterson footage, Gimlin Patterson Bigfoot, which every year there's a restabilization and I even get this kind of restabilized just to see if I brought it into After Effects and tried to see if I can do that. Just to really? Yeah, just to see, because I wanted to see it clear and see. And people were saying, oh no, the suit's been found. And then, oh no, it hasn't.

Or the guy's been found. Right. They did it, a shot of the guy that walks exactly the same way. And he's not tall enough. And then there's the arguments for it. Why would you have a suit with breasts? It's clearly a female. And so that was, and then you can see the muscle definition

on the buttocks and everything, depending on what DVD you're watching. Yeah, yeah. And so that one I love because it's constantly on the, sitting on the fence and no ones, people are pulling it down from both sides. But, and then there's brilliant ones whereby things are discovered,

like the Celia canth cryptosological prehistoric fish off the coast of South Africa. And I think that one, not sure of the year again, because I'm terrible with dates. But that was a moment for cryptosoology where we go see things can be rediscovered literally millions of years after they're supposed to be alive. Well that's used as the logo, isn't it, for the technology museum. It is. It's a good, like, you'd expect it to be the big photo, whatever.

But that's to show an example of proof. Yeah. It keeps us hunting, keeps the imagination going. And also, you know, we're just blowing our own trumpets now, but it's a fun thing to do as an adult, to keep our child like a sense of wonder alive. And I think when you lose that, you lose your innocence, you're bogged down in very boring political and turmoil of the thought, which is kind of it's sad. Your kids leave home, they go off, and then your partner and yourself are sort of looking

at each other going, oh, what did we like about each other again? And you've got to find that. And I think, big fun. Yeah, very fun. That's right. And then a rich research for Seth Gwatt. Yes.

It was 1987. You had the crop top arm. I had the geeky glasses and the bad haircut. And you said, God, we should get together. No, I didn't. Well, maybe I said that in a way where a couple of nips are whiskey and went to the sack we went. Nip-up. That was my friend Sharon.

She's jacked. Nip-up. Nip-up. Nip-up. That was my friend Sharon. She jacked. Nip-up. Nip-up. Nip-up. I'm very, very memorable. I do that great fact about Gimlin and Patterson, which is after they had the footage, they went touring around the country.

So it was back in the day and they were showing it to just various different groups that would come into halls and see it. But Patterson didn't want to do that. He didn't want to be part of it. So Gimlin just got someone in to pretend to be him. Yeah, so what I love is while everyone was watching the footage, trying to work out if there was a fake big foot on there,

what they didn't notice was there was a fake Papas That's amazing. Okay, we're on that subject of that footage. Yeah, we only ever see just that bit, right? The thing so but what were they doing out there with the camera to begin with and what was I was searching for Accessible. They were literally looking for him. Yeah, okay. They're on horses That being if I can my, which never serves me well, you know, sort of out all day. And it was getting to the end of the day.

And they suddenly saw something in the distance. And I think they wrote up really quickly. Or they got off the horse. And you've got, he got the camera going. But that's what he got of it that was the most stable after all the running and he just stopped and and and shot that moment. Your other footage from their day out? No, I feel like they were actually filming a movie like it was a like a fictional movie

and then you know, kind of like, whoa, shit actually a stuntman or she we got to see that move the rest of that exactly I don't know what happened that yeah yeah Gimlin was a stuntman used to go riding around cannons on the I'm chariot like horse like classic old wagons yeah and Reese is actually meant Bob Gimlin so yeah met him at a UFO conference I paid some money for for that famous frame of, and he signed it. So I've got that as one of my prized positions. And I think it's the one of, I think when the Bigfoot's looking back, it's the one where he turns around. That's the best bit of the...

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, now, the one thing I just want to point, being from New Jersey, love New Jersey by the way, big fan. Thank you very much. But you will scare the Bigfoot when you're clearly Jersey Devil right there, right? They're in the pine barrens. The Jersey Devil is terrifying.

It is terrifying. The Bigfoot's kind of lovely and cute, never heard of so, that we know of, but Jersey Devil's legend. No, and then I would eat kids and stuff like that. And it actually flew out of the mother. It was the 13th child. That flew out of the mother. It was the 13th child. That flew out of the mother.

Yeah, exactly. You know, that was actually very close to where I grew up. So you would land on the roof next to your window? Yeah, I would land on it. I don't know why that didn't like scare me more. It should have, if you just break it down, you're like, yeah, that's terrifying. But I don't know, the Pine Barans, for some reason,

we never wanted to go there at night. I'll tell you that much. We would never go near the Pine Barans at for some reason. We never wanted to go there at night. I'll tell you that much. We would never go near the Pine Barons at night. And even if we drove through, like we're coming home from the Jersey Shore, if we drove through at night, it was frightening because you're like, because it's so dark out there

and your headlights only go so far. And anything could jump out. It's one road through a massive, this whole entire thing of the pines, you know, the pine trees. It's it and it was terrifying. So we never wanted to be out there. Well, more specifically around your we're posing going to UFO conferences, given we're

going to talk a little bit about UFOs today. What's your belief in and thoughts on UFOs and aliens? I think that it's impossible that they don't exist. For me, it's impossible that something isn't out there. Now, the big question is time, right? Where in time is everything? Because the biggest, the percentages that would have to be for us to exist

at the exact same time as them, it's a tough thing, but not impossible, right? It's not zero. They may be able to go through time. I don't know. Yeah, you know, I've been visiting this planet for, you know, millennia, possibly. Yeah.

Certainly, the length of time that civilization has been around, because there's the cave paintings, the cave bets in the bin on the early art, they pop up all the time, little light. But mention of the Bible or that kind of stuff. Yeah, it's also, even if there is life, we've only been communicating really with the universe as such, sending out signals for the last 100 and a bit years and maybe even not quite that. It's probably about 100 and a bit years. And that's like of a 14 billion year-long universe, right? So there might be local civilizations. But they might be at a meabestage at the moment.

They haven't yet got to where we are. And then you've got the distance of space. They have to travel light years to get here, incidentally, another movie that Michael scored light year. Ding ding! Oh, the amount of drink every time. Oh, ding-ding! With the amount of drink every time. Yeah. Oh, well, but also there is also the other theory that I just had just then that we don't know in your ears, my head.

And then you're revealing it. There it comes, there it comes. That is a quick one, just a quick little side, but we've got time for the two. Oh my god, no, no, no, no. Okay. Save that for next time. We don't know, is that we don't know the lifespan of an alien species, any of the alien species

that there may be a thousand years, maybe 10,000 years, that this one life, like look at a tree, you know, made last 1,000, 2,000 years old. That's a great signifier. We've got it here on earth. We've got life forms that last set long. So why not an intelligence like just because we only live 80,

100 years at the most. These aliens could be traveling for 1,000 years at light speed. Yeah. And they live for 2,000 years. So they get here halfway through their life. A juvenile for the first 200 years. Exactly. And these are earth years, by the way.

Exactly. They're their own years. Yeah, I don't even know. I think we've solved it here. I think I don't know. Oh, my God! I don't know. I just been a great episode.

And partially so. Oh, really? Absolutely. Have you ever possibly seen a young Michael? You have. And it was. You hit it, huh? It was.

It was. Have you had your time, parents? Yeah, I'm just funny. I don't know if it's just. On a cost for anything? I don't think so. Oh my god. This is an exclusive prize. We need a new thing. We need an exclusive Thank you. It was in high school It was we were on like a senior retreat type of thing out in the pine barons with everyone I was with my friend Tom White who I just saw back in New Jersey a couple weeks ago and we were just talking about this incident. I was

like, remember we saw that cylinder and it was a cylinder like a cigar-shaped thing that was just like just there. Just hanging out there and we... The trees. Well like up in the sky you know it was like pretty high up pretty high up but it wasn't moving and it was clear that it was something solid. Like, but it wasn't moving. You know, it was just sitting there. And we watched it forever. Like we had to eventually go back to the house because we were in high school and we were getting trouble. But we were out on this walk and we sat there, watched it for as long as we could. And then we saw, I think a couple nights later, some red lights as well. And this was all out with the Pine Barans.

And Tom and I both remember that. Like, I was like, incredible. And just remember going back and going, you're not gonna believe what we saw. And of course, everyone's like, what? And this is literally where the Jersey Dibble resides. Yes, yes, yes. Yes, so I was also risking my life.

Oh my God! Being out there in the Pine Barans. You're a bright, bright, cute guy. Yes. Thank you. Thank you for saying. Going back to the object was it a cigar shite? Yes. Yes. So the total, the telekin and the color. Yes. And how a darker, it was like a darker gray kind of thing. But it was so far away that I couldn't tell you the exact color. That's a limited edition model.

Oh, it're very rare. You know, the darker ones. You know, you sure collect as item. Wow, that's amazing. But we were just like flabbergasted. And it just, it still did the whole time. It did not move. It just did not just stay.

It just did not move. It just did not move. It just did not move. It just did not move. It just did not move. It just did not move. It just did not move. It just did not move. It just did not move. It just did not move. It just did not move. It just did not move. It just did not move. But that's the only like you a whole thing that I've seen, you know, that I still remember being like, what was that?

And we, and at that time, I had never done drugs. I had never drank anything at that time. I was like, yeah, that all happened later in life. Right, yeah. Like, right before I got here. Yeah. That's where you went through the trash cans all year. Yeah, that's where you went. Yeah.

That's where I wasca lived on this. I saw you sucking on that? I said, come inside, if he's gonna do that, we're gonna have to know a podcast. How do you know? Now, have you seen anything in your phone? You can get your head used to that. Put these sloth pants on. You're saying it, guys, it's out.

Well, can we just grace you with a very popular theory that our show has on UFOs? Yes, yes, yes, we have to hear this. Bussens' own theory. Well, no, but... There has since been put out in a big book by Michael P. Masters. Michael P. Masters, have you heard of Michael P. Masters? Oh, I've got a senior easy. He's great. Very very respected professor of anthropology. Oh, and

he took my theory. Cheeky bastard. It's a chicken and egg situational. Who came up with it? I might say. Yeah, yeah. He wrote a book here. We'll say it's Yeah, it's like the he wrote up the egg here will say it's But so I give I do this so often I give people ideas Yeah, and they make the idea and then they forget that I gave them the idea and then I'm like hey, that's not cool It's not cool. No, no I did have an idea before you said just before just before it's lost yeah on the cusp of yay or nay That used to be a movie title. On the cusp of yay or nay.

And I had it, you know, we have the same twinkling. That is great. When I said it, I had a twinkling of it. I had a twinkling too. It's good. This is good. I'm glad you kept the twinkling. Twinkling, we're still twinkling.

We're still twinkling. Right it right now. Let's do it. Hang on, I'm just going to check GPT. Right past a script, I called yay or nay in cusp. Hey, have you gone to chat GPT. What has a script that's called the A or not in the past? Hey, have you gone to chat GPT and asked it? Are aliens real? Have you done that?

Like, what would it say? Oh, we should do that right now. Yeah. You won't believe what's happening. Oh my God. I am writing the word. I am writing the word. I am writing the word.

I am writing the word. I am writing the word. I am writing the word. I am writing the word. I am writing the word. I am writing the word. I am writing the word. I, Michael's here. We refine that. Yep. It's breaking check TPPT. First of all, I had to blank statement nothing. I asked it again and it goes while ultimately nothing. And that's what I can. It's just being start. Are you joking?

What is the only thing that... Nothing. Oh my god. Alright. What? We've broken the simulation. We can't be the first ones who have discovered this idea of asking AI, what aliens are there. I want to try it on the app version of this. Please. I was just scared to download it.

Oh look, look, look. See, your simulation is still fine. My simulation is broken. You have a great thing. Do you want another answer? Yeah. Here we go. The existence of aliens is currently a topic of speculation and debate. While there is no conclusive scientific evidence confirming the existence of extraterrestrial life, many scientists believe that given the vastness of the universe, it is likely that life exists elsewhere. However,

until concrete evidence is found, the existence of aliens remains unproven. I don't know why it would have to be made of concrete. That's not the way it was. That's my first thought. Yeah, that's my first thought. No way, that shit's a concrete. I'm sorry, that's my first thought. That would weigh tons.

They're making it very difficult. That's my first thought. You're never gonna get caught by people. I think what they want to say is metallic evidence. Yeah, yeah. Yes. See, Tepetidia is no shit. So,. So, so I see what everybody tried to do there, which is try and shift the conversation away from my theory of aliens. Oh, yeah. Oh, it was a very private

too. Very, very clever. You're even on it too. Yeah. Try everybody's China. But if we bring it back to my theory quickly, which I'm very keen. Oh, we haven't talked. Why haven't said this theory on podcast? You said quickly, but already it's not happening. Yeah. Are you learning this about me very early on in our friendship? He's very slow. He's very slow. Right.

No, I'm just detailed. I like to detail lots of words before I do. The details are so obvious. You can see them from the moon. He's so generous with our time. Yeah, he looks so generous with our time. Thank you. It's a great statement.

It's a great statement. You guys, I just know that your time, the value of it is just... You know what the fun part we can actually do here? You can, you tell him your theory as fast as you can. Actually, just normal speed. All right, as concise as you can. And then when we do the edit, we'll speed that bit up.

Oh, you will, because you're editing it. Just times two or times three. Like we did that other time with something I did, I thought maybe I'd slow it down. Oh, you. Oh, you. I never saw that. Sweet jazz music.

Oh, you. Oh, my God. Another job for me. Yeah. Yeah. It's all going to get, another job for me. Yeah. It's all because it's Manacan. Yeah. But you just score my theory for me. This is a new gig for you.

If you send me the audio of your theory, I will score it. Oh, my god. Oscar and Grammy award it. We can use it from that day. To the moment on which we'll be going to conferences or stars. No, no, no. Well, actually, we did have a problem that the button's theory time thing, June. I just know this is a...

No, this is the Michael P. Masters theory theme. This is your time travel, June. I wouldn't have said theory, but it's a theory. Yeah, no, is it? Oh, yeah, but my name. But you pop this theory everywhere. My name is... This is not a theory. Yeah, is it? Oh, yeah, but you pop this theory everywhere. This is not a theory. This is your this is literally. Is this is your belief?

Okay, it's gone beyond button's belief time. Yeah. All right. Okay, here it comes. Here it comes. Here it comes. I do it right because this one is going to get scored. Oh, here we go. Here we go. No pressure. Michael. I have a deep belief that it's most likely aliens are simply us time traveling back from a distant future where we have engineered the ability to be able to time travel.

And we are coming back to witness ourselves living the golden age of three AI existence. As tourists coming back as scientists, anthropologists coming back from the future to get evidence of how life was before. It is just as likely that as it is an alien species coming from millions of what years away. Great now. Alright let's do that once more but no. I love it. I love it. I spit this thing. Are you happy? You want my mo? You want you happy? You want my mug?

You want your happy? You want my mug? I think my words were more. He was not inspired. No, no, no, no. I was waiting for that simple moment. But are you telling me, are you telling me that we are ignoring Doc Brown's advice? Like, you don't, you should never interfere.

Yeah. Like, what happened to that whole? Yeah, exactly. So, part of the theory is that UFO sightings happen more in certain countries than others. And that could well be that every country once they all figure out time travel have different laws governing different countries for time travel. So America might just be a lot looser in their laws about missing that. That's actually cool. That's actually so I space continuum. Did you hear that? I might just replay that in the

edit. That's actually cool. Thank you. That may be come my rent earn if you don't mind. But the other thing is when there are things like and we've got a couple of examples of new stories that we may get around to today, although it seems like, the full next shot, things like cattle mutilations, story about that today. Even things like, we all giggle when we say this word because it is hilarious, but anal probes. The one thing that anthropologists say that they would love to be able to get if they could travel back in time from today, back to the anal probe. Is an anal probe? No, it's bigger matter.

Oh, because that says so much about what we're eating about our microbes, about our digestive system. And like, if we could get some actual dinosaur poo, we would be able to tell so much about them as an... Well, there has been fossilized dinosaur poo. They have been able to get some information about that in figuring out what they were eating. And the other one that they talk about is sperm harvesting. Again, your giggle and it's kind of thinking, but like Michael P. Masters says,

is the anthropologist, one of the biggest existential threats to human life is declining fertility. And the fact that it's getting harder and harder and harder to have children. And at some point, if that trend continues, and it's gone down from something like 1960 to 2020, or something, it's reduced by 30%. Really? Are we saying that is a physiological issue? Or is it a choice that people are just having less kids? Probably a bit of both.

And probably environmental that we're having so much more terrible food and diet and all that stuff. And stress and radio waves, messing with our systems. I might have you, who knows? But if that keeps going One of the reasons that we may need to invent time travel or figure it is to come back and get healthy sperm and in healthy reproduction Systems and why have you read you even?

So that's a job in the future. Oh sperm harvest When are you going to bars and stuff and you, uh, as firm hunter? Yeah. Like Steve Irwin types of people coming back. Right. We're going to be very quiet. Yes, I can see the spam.

He's a very, very healthy, self-proclaimed. He's a very healthy, self-proclaimed, go to the go, follow the drunk. Yeah, that's what that's the thing. But these people come out, these people, they spam out of us is, no, these abductees come out and they're almost to embarrassed to say, like, I remember what happened. It's going to be a bit awkward, but they took a bunch of my poo. Yeah, there was definitely a sex act. And there was a sex act. And that's quite a freaking thing. And that was not erotic, they literally just harvested.

And also, like you say, if the UFOs have come here from the other side of the galaxy, like if we finally got to a planet that was inhabited, we would probably observe for a while, but then we'd come down and say, yo, yo, yo, yo, what's up? How's it going? Yeah. Alien's a dad. You've come down to... Yeah, you've come down to... 60, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Oh man. Wow. Anyway, so. It's very easy.

Yeah, so I mean, that's gonna be seven or eight minutes with a scoring for you. What does that kind of cost us? What does that cost us? What does that cost us? I'm gonna hit you. I'm running through the program. We'll see.

We'll see. All right. Well, let's do what we like to call weekly world, we in use. It's crazy. Freaky watch out. I think you could just score that as well. That's crazy. Freaky watch out. I think you could just score that as well. That's great.

Yeah, it's great. It's giving you a list of the way you need. We'll get it done. Yes, yes. So the 911 call I played at the beginning of the show comes from something that happened very recently. And yeah, it's certainly an eye opener. It's articles all over the internet from various publications.

This one's USA Today just seemed to be, I like the font on it, so I flipped on it. Flicked on it? It's not the right term. Anyway, Las Vegas Police Investigate Aliens in Backyard Report after Officer Spot's flying object. Reports of two unknown entities falling from the sky on the same night in late April that a family reported something not human in their backyard.

I mean, it could have been a rabbit. But, or a relative. Yeah, that's just a treat. One officer drove to a home on the night of April 30th and interviewed the family who called 911 after making the sighting. According to body camera footage obtained by USA Today, this publication, so they obtained the footage. One of the family members told the officer they saw a big creature that was long 10 feet tall. The officer told the family he was looking into claims because another officer saw something in the sky that matched the family's description eight minutes earlier.

You know, that's my favorite part of the audio. That he kept asking, you know, yeah, because I have a buddy that saw something too. So I just want to see if you used it. It saw something because I think he's full of shit. Yeah. And I just want to see if you saw something, because I think he's full of shit. And I just want to know, like, it felt like he was checking, you know, like, yeah. And you know, there's, yeah, what is the kind of like, broy as well? Like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, they kind of tough and stuff. And so it's kind of like that old adage of would they even really be into this kind of stuff. But it's, but you know, when it's real, it's real, and when people see things, they see things. It's a possible t-shirt. I didn't quite get the twinkling there. No, it can be workshopped.

Yes, sir. Back to my article. I'm not going to BS you guys. One of my partners, this is just a bit, you just mentioned. I'm not going to. No, no, no. He says, it's weird.

It's just the fact that our partners or something are the exact same time. It's like it's a coincidence. Yeah. All right, maybe start watching some more. You were photoconentries and things. A nearby resident called 911 to report something, 100% not human in quotation marks on their property.

About 40 minutes later, another man called 911 to report two unknown entities in his backyard, which is the one I played. Did those people know each other? Yeah, apparently there's no connection. I am making that up, but I'm adding. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. The man described the creature as large

and somewhere between eight to 10 feet tall and appearing like aliens with big mouths, big shiny eyes and added that they're 100% not human. The department investigated the property for days following the alleged paranormal incident before closing the case. That's it, case closed, nothing to see here. I think it Is closed there? Did anyone, was there a police sketch of the creature or anything like that? I want to see, but one of the things that I love about it is that they saw the crash, they came out and they heard the creatures on the roof, then they look out.

And one of the alien creatures has jumped into a front end loader that was out on the yard. It was trying to start it and trying to drive off in a front end loader. You were that is part of this? Yeah, no, there's a news article. Should I play the news article? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anton sent it to me. Here we go. Just before midnight on April 30th, Skywatchers across several Western states saw a bright

fireball streak through the heavens. A police officer working in the Northwest Valley caught a glimpse of the colorful object on his body cam. At nearly the same time, a ring camera in the area recorded a strange noise and what sounds like a crash. One family living in a ranch-style home had a much closer view of the object. Two brothers and their father were working on a vehicle in their yard

when they caught a glimpse of a sparkly object as it came crashing down. Then we're hit by what they describe as a shockwave. One of the witnesses, a young man named Angel, has stated when the brothers looked into the yard where the object landed, that spot was obscured and blurry as if by unknown form of camouflage. What they saw next prompted a fronted call to 911. the city. The city was surrounded. That spot was obscured and blurry as if by unknown form of camouflage. What they saw next prompted

a fronted call to 911. So there's two people or two subjects that are in your backyard. Correct and they're very large. They're like A. Colts. Nice feet to put on. They're like they look like aliens to us. Big eyes have big eyes like I can't explain it and big mouth. They're trying to eyes and they're not human. They're 100 percent not human.

Eight news now investigators have spoken with family members multiple times in the past four weeks, but each of the three times we accepted their invitation to do an interview. They didn't answer the door or their phone. These are some of the claims they've made in other public forums. Multiple family members backed up the story in an initial police report we obtained. Angel says they heard the pattern of multiple feet in the yard.

They later heard footsteps on their roof. They saw one of the eight-foot tall creatures climb behind the controls of a large frontloader stored in the yard as if trying to engage it. He got a good look at one of the creatures, he said, a greenish grayish being with large eyes and long legs. He says he could hear its deep breaths, and when he locked eyes, he was, in essence, frozen in place.

Couldn't move. In the middle of the yard, where the object had crashed, then vanished, a circular impression was left in the soil. Okay, where is this on your property? Metro sources say the police dispatcher initially wondered whether to send a crisis intervention team to help the troubled witness, but then took the incident seriously.

Two officers arrived 38 minutes after the call, and by then it heard from other officers. They proceeded cautiously and managed some nervous laughs. I ain't doing that. A few days later the family says two Metro sergeants returned to the scene to ask follow-up questions. The family says they also saw men in suits and sunglasses driving in a car with government plates cruising slowly past the house in the following days. Nellis and Creech have denied any interest to her involvement with the incident. Metro has indicated they believe the family that something crashed in their yard. But what?

Someone else has access to it. You mentioned George in that piece that they were frozen because so many people have been critical of like, why didn't get their phone out? Why didn't they show the video? Do we know if there's even any video of this incident? Yes and no. So there is a surveillance camera in the backyard. The property owner keeps that because he's got a lot of expensive equipment there. What we were told is that at the moment this thing comes

down and crash, this camera went out. And it was out for a couple of minutes. When it came back on, the object was gone, but the circle was there. We've been told by Angel in multiple phone conversations that he shot video of the creatures. We haven't seen it. And we don't know anybody else who's seen it yet.

So maybe he'll release it at some point. It's getting a lot of attention. Yeah, I'll over. I mean, like, if you, if you shot footage of something like that in your yard and you had it, what, like, if you think about, why would you not release it? What would you do? Well, here's why because you are going to draw so much attention to your life and to you. Now, he has done, he's already stepped over that mark by,

you know, everything he's done so far. But if this happened, which, you know, I think it's feeling pretty credible, at least obvious that something did come down with seeing it. So on the footage, you know, and the sonic thing, the door footage of the, you can hear the crash. That was all there. There's evidence for it and then the 911 call so he either went we saw something let's make a joke here and call the cops like but then that's he's young he's a young guy and he's very calm in it but some people have said you know you'd be more terrified but I actually go the other way. I think if it was gonna be a joke, yeah, oh my god, I saw it.

Yeah, but also to do a joke where you call the cops, I think in this country, you can get arrested for that gesture. It's not a joke thing to do. Also, I've known a sense becoming a dad if something scary happens to my son, choking something like that, I go into this new place, I don't freak out anymore, which I might have in the past, I go into

a zone where I need to just tell you, I just need to focus on what's going on. I imagine if I was seeing something like that, I'd be like, okay, what's up? He feeds us because you can lip just boil. We don't get on it talking about that. Deterra. It's quite a lot of, he's now very busy in about it. A lot of practice. I was an incident.

That was an incident and it's done and they're all lost. It's okay. There's another thing which is potentially I think a lot of people are now wise to the idea that footage of any kind is... Screwed nice straight away. Well also it's worth a lot. And if you said, and you immediately go, well, I could sell this for,

I'm not saying they've done that, but that's a possibility. And then I'm black turn up and say, well, not kill you. I can believe that. I was gonna say the other thing we haven't thought of is that perhaps these things communicate it with him in a way which suppresses his telepathy to want to give this away or show anyone.

There's many points to bring up like when he looked at them, he froze. He felt like he couldn't move when they made eye contact. We don't know what they're doing to have a back point. And also the fact that one of them went into the the front loader just trying to pull it. I mean, that is it. We don't know that these aren't they're coming down. They know they can disappear anytime because we've got the device or whatever. And they're just going, let's have a little, let's have a close-up.

They're playing that. Yeah, exactly. The device disappeared very quickly. Was to say the alien didn't jump in quickly, dig a big hole, put the broken down UFO in the ground and then cover it back up again. That's ridiculous. What is it? What is it saying? Okay, now you're talking nonsense.

That's like a fall. And there's a memory. It was a memory time loss of like eight hours while the digger, dig a massive fall, everyone's just in a frozen room or whatever the cops are like. He's got to take a break. He's just taking a break. Oh my god. And then he does it. He disappears and then goes, he laughs back. Simulations back on guys. Okay we're good. How did was the detail about the the blurriness of the that was cool. I've heard that before. That was cool. That was cool. That was great. And it makes sense and the cloakinginess of the, that was cool. I've heard that before. That was cool. That was great.

And it makes sense and the cloaking scenario of the visibility and awe that they could slip into another dimension because that's pretty much says like, but why don't they drop out of the sky? Yeah. Why is it that time travel theory? Back to that, that does very quickly. How awesome that they're down there How awesome, the down there,

and the both standing there looking in this yard of antique objects, and one of them's like, hey, like is a frontiner? And the other one's like, get down off here, we're gonna go to the corner. I love that scenario, because I think we always feel like these things are so serious. And so, it literally could just be kids

screwing around, just kind of for a quick time. We're still making it out of the door. It's somewhere else in the galaxy. Where's the concrete chips? There's a pair going, where's the car? The concrete chips. Did someone tell take the car? Yeah.

Looking out at their space. That's the driveway. Cars, cars incidentally, cars too, also composed. Ah! Ding ding! And cars, three. Root, root! That was a great news package, by the way. What was that? Ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding Yeah, it was it was it was to get the phrase in there you were for rodeo. Oh Come on first. Yeah, you are by the way. What a great band name. Yeah, come on. Yeah. Yes Your full rodeo your full rodeo and but the fact that he said I'm like it's not our first

That's oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the phrase That's a funny face for a year for rodeo Oh, I got a dive into this Yeah, that's the phrase. That's the phrase. First of all, first of all, rodeo. Oh, I got me a diver into this. Oh, no, no, yeah, go. Yeah, that's, you just put your phone to a very famous phrase. That's. That's.

That was, wow. I've never heard that phrase before. Anyway, anyway. Okay, okay, but we need to now cross over into this so much important UFO news at the moment. There has been yet another ex-government official whistle blow-off that has come out saying that the US government definitely has crashed and also complete UFO craft in their position.

Yeah, so let's have a look at this. So basically, I got this sent to me from numerous friends. This one's from the debrief. Intelligence officials say the US has retrieved craft of non-human origin. And it's a real bombshell of a headline. And it's hard to put this in a nutshell. So I'm going to put it in sort of a really huge awkward, odd looking and hard to understand nutshell. You might look at for a bit and then sort of just wander on like an astro jagged yeah yeah more of an ostrich that's half hatched and you'll worry that the things not alive inside I'm going to stick a former intelligence official turned whistleblower has given Congress and the intelligence community inspector general

extensive classified information about deeply covert programs that he says possess retrieved intact and partially intact craft of non-human origin. The information he says has been illegally whithheld from Congress and he filed a complaint alleging that he suffered illegal retaliation for his confidential disclosures, reported here for the first time. So the debrief was the original article on this, breaking the silence on this. Other intelligence officials, both active and retired, with knowledge of these programs through their work and various agencies, have independently provided similar corroborating information both on and off the record.

The whistleblower David Grush 36, a decorated former combat officer in Afghanistan, is a veteran of the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency in GA and the National Reconnaissance Office in R.O. Reconnaissance Office in RO, he served as the Reconnaissance Office's representative to the unidentified aerial phenomena task force from 2019 to 2021 from late 2021 to July 2022. He was the NGOs. Sorry, NGOs co-lead for UAP analysis and it's Representative to the task force. So a lot of gobbledygook there, but also very, you know, read it two or three times and you start to understand what all the letters mean, but the long and the short of it is that this guy is a, is the real deal involved in the real scenario. Unfortunately, that David Grush hasn't actually laid eyes on any of these craft. It's just that he has seen the documents and that proved that they have it all.

And he's spoken to others that have been involved exactly craft retrieval. I think that's the main thing. But most importantly, his credentials and his reputation amazing. Yeah, it's done. Really, yeah. And so now that he's at the end of his career, much like Michael here, why would you put your career and jeopardy to be involved in such a terrible podcast? We're taking down a Grammy, an Emmy Award winning, and a UFO specialist, and the one

podcast. This is my favorite wedding, though. Perfect. Well, look, I'll tell you why. Look, and this is a quote here from Mallon. Christopher Mallon, he spent nearly like 20 years in the US intelligence community, and he served as a deputy assistant secretary of defense for intelligence, work for Congress in the unidentified area of phenomena situation. He says, it's a delicate matter

getting this potentially explosive information into the right hands of validation. This is made harder by the fact that rightly or wrongly, a number of potential sources do not trust the leadership wrongly, a number of potential sources do not trust the leadership of the all-domain anomaly resolution office established by Congress. Okay. I mean, it's more difficult words, isn't it? It's about distrust and it's about getting to a cusp. What was that famous thing I said once on the cusp of the day? Yeah, you're right.

And that's where they are fucking ah, yes, my swore. Yeah, this is so personal. But it makes sense because if, if, if recently, what they have divulged in terms of all those videos of the military stuff and everything, right? So that's what they're thinking they can share with us, which means there must be things that they feel that they can't share with us, right? Yes, be things that they feel that they can't share with us.

Yes, yes, all the nay on the side. Yeah, they're not going to give all of it to us. Yeah. So that's what they're giving us. There must be stuff that can't show us. So it just feels more and more like the trickle feed to disclosure whereby it's a little bit at a time. Yeah.

So that we can comprehend it and we don't get the ultimate shock and we all like just faint like those goats that have been stared at. But do you think that this is sanctioned? Then this released something that feels like this. And that's what a lot of people then Eophology community believe as well. I think Richard Dolan was one who said the trickle-down thing is what's happening. It's disclosure with a small D. It is engineered. Yeah, so it's not just, you know, a UFO landing on the White House lawn. Yeah. It is like free.

Okay, look at these, look at these videos and these are genuine. They're from the US Navy and we're, we, uh, you know, these things are real. We don't know what's inside them. We're going to shoot down this balloon, you know, and it's little bits like that. And now this is the next bit where they there going, okay, look, we are recovering alien craft non human. We're not even using the word alien because they don't, they just say not. It's definitely non human. What? So was it built by chimpanzees? What are we looking at here?

From the future, from the future, concrete engine, it could be drone technology. It could be as in, so possibly made by terrestrial, but the item we have has no satin. Yeah, there's no. Apart from those two nine foot dudes with big shiny eyes, nine foot less. And then you've got that. And that's that that's why I just love that. I just I need just found that that stuff from Las Vegas like last night.

And nearly lost my mind looking at looking. It's exciting. Is's that big-foot footage kind of thing. I love that. The 9-1-1 call. And party views, definitely going, this is not real. There's a big part that's going, oh, I want to believe and I hope this is real. And let's see what happens. Let's keep following it. I'm just waiting for maybe an article to come out with this guy saying, oh, and I was just under a lot of pressure It was a dear and you know, it was the final year at high school You know, but it's all that comes out. It puts us back as the kid fireside chat

Yeah, you just go what happened then? Yeah, that's all the info right now. I waited for the footage and when Star Trek the motion picture came out I started another Star Trek the motion picture came out. Oh, Star Trek another one that you're gonna know. Oh, no, no, no. But it's one of the things. Yes, one of the things. But I do remember being blown away by the idea that something we sent out could evolve on its own.

And if you're thinking about what, and even now more than ever, as they start putting AI into these things that are gonna be going out into the universe, you can imagine them doing that. Maybe not it's going to come back like Veejer, but there's going to be some version of putting something out there that's going to evolve on its own, whether we see it or not ever again, I don't know, but I love that idea that these things are just out there. Well, you can't, on the disclosure thing as well, you can't blame the government

for needing to slowly bring us up to speed as well, because if you look at just the example of War of the Worlds, the radio play that was broadcast in such a way that made everybody believe we were being invaded by aliens. And it was New Jersey for New Jersey. Oh, really? Yes. Everybody started packing up and heading for the hills and freaking the hell out. So if anything, that's a great test and maybe it was part of the disclosure that's been going for a long time. That's like, what will happen if people think we've been invaded? They will freak out. So we have to actually just do this slowly.

And for a government, it's like, okay, this disclosure is, we're going to roll it out over the next 100 years, 200 years. Whatever, that is not like time is a limit for them. But that will be the point where they can disclose where people are like, come on, just tell us the truth. You know what you're describing? Is the matrix basically, and people slowly figuring out that this is not, you know, and there's people behind it going,

they're starting to like figure this out. What are we going to do? That's so true. Yeah. And so then is it the matrix? Is it like, because this is the one thing, and the simulation theory, if it is a simulation, why do bad things happen? Yes.

And it's like, well, when you go to Disneyland, it is literally called the happiest place on Earth, and they have roller coasters and rides there that make you feel that you are going to die. Yeah. They literally take you to that edge of one make you feel that you are going to die. They literally take you to the edge of one of the hot sand. I see you at a point. There's rides that you're like, oh, that bowl is going to hit us. We put ourselves in that position. Why? Because we want to know that we're alive and that fear and that stuff makes us feel very alive. So do you, something you said was very interesting about the idea of like, why put bad things

into the simulation? If it, like, so if you think, if this is a simulation, why do we have cancer? Why do we have these awful things? Is it, for the same reason, to make us feel alive? I think so. To make us feel alive and to, and because, how ironic. How, we only know, you know, the good good side of life the feeling of love and happiness If there's the other side to counteract it so we only know when we're truly happy

Yeah, we don't feel It's too sized everything there's two sides to the human isn't it is the goes the good and the bad yeah And with it was all good you wouldn't feel Anything stronger than goodness. Can I reveal something to you? That is deep. That is deep. That needs to be. Did you get a tingle on that one?

I didn't quite. Maybe it's a bell tree. A bell tree. Get it, get it, get it, get it. What were you about to reveal? You're very excited there. Yeah, what were you gonna reveal? I had this thought the other day, you know, people will believe,

you know, in heaven and hell, and you have to be good on earth to go to heaven, and if not hell, and that's what religion is built around. I think I genuinely fear more that this is a simulation, and we're going to pop out of the simulation, and everybody in the room is going to be able to look at what your simulation was and all the good and bad things you don't. Like it's kind of a research group and they're like, okay, so your simulation, oh you did that dodgy thing didn't you?

And when you have to sit there and go, oh yeah, sorry. And that embarrassment of this being some form of experiment and popping out and some way stops me more doing dodgy things. No, I said more so than going to heaven will help. So this is just therapy? Therapy! That's all I think you guys are all part of my therapy! That's you matrix!

That's you finding your moral compass. My friend said this to me the other day, it's from the Yuval Nova Harari book, which is as humans with the only species alive that has a thing whereby a promise can be bargained for it for something returning on the other side of death. So we will met you, he was saying, a monkey doesn't go, I'll give you a lot of bananas in the afterlife if you do this thing for me.

No species knows how to like agree on something on the other side, we do. And that gives us moral compass. So for you, your bargain now is, I won't do this in this simulation, so that I don't have to look at it. But conversely, if that's true, then none of it makes any difference, right? So you can do whatever you want, unless you're saying that on the other side of that simulation, when you're reviewing everything, is there a punishment for what you did or did you do? What I fear is that I'm a kid that we're in a multiplayer game with my mates and then

we all go into it and we all live this life and we're like free well and we do either good things or bad things and then it's game over. And at the end you end up back in the lobby. In the lobby and everybody's like the lobby. And they tell you your scores. But who's watching your, so you think who's watching your game, your game of life? Us.

Yeah, the mates at the end, you're all watching. I'm not gonna be by the watching. I'm not, there's no way I'm watching that. No. So boring. I'll watch some of my best. I like, you know, when you play, you're watching all your, whatever you've done behind closed doors.

And the board, when you're fixing something, it's out of town. You're playing a game, you're playing like a PlayStation game. And at the end of it, it plays you with the little highlights. That's when you're trying to press into that wall and that's where you came across a finesse. Mario Kart, right, right. Yeah, that's going to do that at the end of it. And I'll be like, no, don't look, don't look. But then do you also think, because this is, as far as we know, the latest

theories of science are this is one universe, but there are parallel places. There were multi-verses, kind of like in Doctor Strange, incidentally, another movie. Ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding. Are there more fun? Places there were multi-verses kind of like in Dr. Strange. It's certainly another movie The Boy I have been I've done it all since I've been sitting here Genius of it all I didn't even know he did that. I'm just yelling out movies there The likelihood is that he's scored them And Michael scored so many.

He's not even sure himself. I don't even know. I don't even know. I don't know that. But are there multiple buttons, billions and billions infinite buttons, indifferent simulations, doing different things? Yeah.

Or do you think this is the one simulation? Yeah. Well, I think that there are multiple simulations that we've played. It's like playing grand turismo multiple times and getting better and better and better at driving. Right. And that's where past life memories come in and that's where coincidence and that feeling of predicting the future because they're like, oh, play this before.

Yeah. And I know what's going to happen. I'm going to meet all those kind of things Because that's multiple games you playing so it's deja vu sort of like things blending over crossing paths like Universes have a momentarily there's dodgy code lazy code It's like oh it's funny you mentioned grand tourism because I was Driving griffy around the other day letting him practice driving and he goes to me seriously says to me You know, I really think playing GTA is really helped me be a better driver having Griffey around the other day, letting him practice driving. And he goes to me, seriously says to me, you know, I really think playing GTA

has really helped me be a better driver. Wow. And I was like, okay, well, watch out for that curb still. You know? Don't knock that prostitute out there. But autonomous cars are trained to be autonomous by getting them to play GTA. What?

Yeah, they sit the part of the way that we've got to where autonomous cars are, they sit and they play GTA and they learn how to do all the, yeah, yeah. So there's cars sitting around the country just playing PlayStation. And basically, are they the cars that are actually in the game that you're smashing into and crashing into? Well, no, their job is to not crash into anything. No, that the robot car, that the NPC. Oh, no, no, their job is to not crash into anything. So that they're the robot cut, they're the NPC. Oh, no, no, no, no, I don't think I.

So it's just the software. It's the software. Exactly. I don't think when you're playing online, you're playing a Tesla. Driving around somewhere. That would be amazing. That was incredible.

I think a little off track here. I just suddenly thought before you launched another diatribe of, can we fast forward, past lives could also be looked upon as perhaps concurrent lives. Yes. So you know, when you have, yeah, so the life that you thought of is also still happening, but it's in another universe and you just had a flash of it So when Albert Brooks was looking at all his past lives in

Another one that you've forgotten you scored. No, no, that's what they did that's good. But defending your life That I'm gonna stop there We're just gonna pause the podcast here. I'm just gonna watch the movies together. We'll be back with you. Let's take care. Hey, we're back. Yeah, we're back.

Michael, you're so amazing. So many lives as well. I love the cat as well. The cat and I didn't expect that. Well, by the way, it was a tiger. Tiger, oh my god. But you're not far off. You did catch that.

There you go. But back to you, folks, quickly, I've got one piece of news. We can't believe two hours in. We're still in weekly, well-good news. We're having way too much fun. My headline, mystery as six cows found dead with their tongues cut out by Texas Highway. Now, how can a Texas Highway cut out the tongue of a cow?

Someone explain that to me. That's terrible. That is a terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible. Did they miss out the word man after highway? Mystery of Six cows found dead with their tongues cut out by Texas. Yeah. Give us all your tongues, all your money. There should be mystery as six cows found dead by Texas highway

with their tongues cut out. Yeah. It's so right. Yeah. You don't even need Texas highway. You don't even need Texas highway. That could be in the article. Exactly.

OK. A lot of people do go to Texas highways. All right. So it's another cattle immeasurations. What makes this one different? OK. We need the others. Well, that haven't been, well, it's certainly numbed and reported lately, but back into the

UFO world, the surgical removal of parts of animals, particularly cattle, particularly horses and particularly in the United States has always been a mystery. It's been happening for a very long time. Sometimes internal organs removed without there being any kind of scars. Another common one is that there was just like half a beast missing was just bone white bones. The other half of the animal is just

died the night before. Wow, is that that's a genuine thing? Yeah, they like looked at it and went, that's been missing for months and this died last night. Yeah, so you know Linda molten how we had her on our Podcast under the live show at the alien conference She got into u apology and reporting that because she was just a reporter and Went to report on these cattle mutilations, right and what she saw affected her so much. She's like I'm dedicating my life

She was full Reb at hold after that. And I can understand why, because it's such a shocking thing to see. And then when it happened again and again, and you know, you've got to find the answers to it. No matter how many years, I think it's been not possibly 40. Yeah, 40 plus years now. And she's still, you she's still looking at her. What does she think has done it?

Oh, aliens. Yeah. Because she considered them maybe the highways have been. Yeah. And she says, we need to get her back on and ask her this and maybe there's all the answers are here in this one. I mean, but the one thing is, is that these branches don't report it because they don't want to be associated with uophology?

Yeah, but also they hate it because it's these beasts are worth a lot of money. Right. Yeah. Of what's Yellowstone? I know. And then you didn't score that one, did you? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no But this one here again has all of these hallmarks of a UFO cattle mutilation because things happen like they find the beast in the middle of a field with no footprints, no vehicle tracks, nothing around it.

Like it has been dropped there from an alien craft. No sign of struggle, it's not... It's a hell of a struggle. And then no blood. So this is in Texas and Madison County, and these Texas authorities have been called. These is the animals tongue had been removed with surgical accuracy and no blood spill, the sheriff's office said in a statement. The hide on one side of her mouth was also removed through a straight, clean cut with apparent precision. It was noted there was no signs of struggle and the grass around the cow was understood.

No footprints or tire tracks were noted in the area. Ranchers told investigators that it appeared the cow had been left to decay untouched for several weeks with no predators or birds attempting to scavenge its remains. That's interesting. You think that's the first thing that would happen. The ensuing investigation authorities discovered five other cows had been found dead and mutilated in a similar fashion in the area. All six of the cows each found in separate locations and belonging to different herds had their

tongues removed with a cut along the jaw. Two had their anus and external genitalia removed with a circular cut. The official cause of death has not been determined for any of the six cows. I mean, it's freaky. Whatever it is. Whatever it is. Yeah, okay. But what is this, this, this sign here?

What is this? This is what the Madison County Sheriff's office put up? What's the sign? It's pretty great. Oh right, so it's a black and white photo of some Cal. It's a suspicious cat. It's like the equivalent of a milk bottle. Yeah, have you seen this cow? Oh, how ironic being on a milk bottle as a cow. Oh, yeah. That's what I was. I found it quite interesting that each cow was from a different herd. And why the tongue no wonder, like, what would be...

Well, and this is the thing, if it's time travel is coming back from the future, then maybe there is like a jealousy, and they're like making money taking this. Yes, I'd like a 2023 cow tongue. Tell us how long is it going to take? It's Wyoming. Wyoming, please. Yeah, we got off to the movies tonight. Well, we can't actually serve you that tonight,

because our time travel machine has been taken by the owners' sons and their joy-riding dad. No, no, no, no, no. No one came back this afternoon, took out the crash. When they get back. Do your boys go to Vegas again? You cheeky backers, I hope you didn't get caught. You and your fascination with the front-end loaders.

Just leave us alone, leave us. Get back and play your GTA, please. Come on. Yeah, so anyway, so a lot of UFO news out there at the moment. And all about happening in America. What's the date on that one? It was 23rd of April. Yeah.

That's, yeah, that's three within a very, very close proximity. Yeah. And that's just three we know of. Imagine like, there's so much wilderness out there. Like, who knows if they could find deer, they could be doing this. Yeah. And he would. Well, we are be doing this. Yeah, and he worked with.

Well, we are running short of time now, because we don't keep Michael too long, and it's now five minutes to five. Oh, yeah. So what we talked a little bit about the UFO Congress and going there, and I'll just want to tell you one story from what's on the list. Yes, why was your time?

So I told you one of the great things to do with these conferences is at night time when there's nothing else to do because you're out in the middle of nowhere Is you just hang around the bar and you just sit down on a table and just start talking to people. Yeah, and one night my friend Kirk thatcher and I He's the one I would go with all the time. We sat down next to this guy. His name was Bruce and Bruce just we just start talking and and before you know it like this thing ended up being like a, I don't know, two, three hour story that Bruce tells us. And the story that he told us was this incredible epic about how he is in a second life now,

but his previous life, he was integral in the battle between the reptilians and the simians. Right. And he tells this incredible story that spans thousands of years and takes him to Mars where all of this was happening and then back on Earth and then the simians from Earth going to Mars to fight this battle, to protect this baby. And he recalls this one battle that he was in.

And I, you have to understand this guy was so serious. But he was crying as he tells the story. He was crying as he's telling the story of this. He's feeling the emotions. He's feeling the emotions. He's reliving the whole thing. And he's, and we were like stunned. Like normally you'd be like,

it's kind of a fun sort of thing. This was not, this was a serious, like three hour conversation. And he was talking about this baby semi. And he was like, I had it in my hands. And it was dying. It died. And it got hit by crossfire or something. And he was just, he lost it.

He's crying and crying. And we're all just like, like you don't know what to do at that point. Yeah. Because it's, it's, you just don't know what to do. It's, it's heavy. It's know what to do. It's a hit. It's out of the swirl. It's so heavy. But the detail at which he was telling us this story was incredible.

So he's either 100% just telling us exactly what his experience and his truth was, or he's the greatest writer on the planet. But it seems to me, he believed this. This whole entire story. He believed this. Yeah, this whole entire story. He believed this. So there was that that was one of my I actually recorded most of it. Yeah, big guy, big guy, burly guy, not the kind of guy you would think that would be their crying and telling stories. How big is what? Eight foot. Yeah, John Mouth. Yeah know, really hairy. Yeah. There was a bulldog, there was a pot down side.

I was already as hard as seeing, riding a tractor thing around everywhere. He didn't want to get off it. So that was great. And then there was this other woman that I sat with and she's talking to me. She was like, oh, you have kids in this now. I was like, yeah, I have three kids and we talk about that.

And I said, do you have any kids? And she goes, I have hundreds. And I was like, what have any kids? So she goes, oh, I have hundreds. And I was like, hundreds. And she was like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I have them all the time. They're all over the place. And she was, I was like, what do you mean? How do you, what, she goes, oh, well,

I for a long time was up on this spaceship. And they used me as a reproductive thing. And then they would test it all. I'd have a baby and they'd bring it down here. She goes, I don't know where they all are. I'm sure they're fine. They're all my babies. And she was telling this story about how they were using her

as a way of sort of experimenting and just learning about the human body. And for years, she would just spit out babies and they would just go to the, bring them down here and I don't know where they ended up, but she's like, they all exist somewhere. She goes, I can feel them. I feel their presence

everywhere, you know, it's so well, you're you're a you're a director now regardless of anything whether it's true or her imagination. It's a great TV series. Oh, absolutely. Well, that's why we go, you know, both were fascinated by this, but I'm also like, I just love these ideas. You come across these things. You know, we all have our own stories. We hang out with our friends, but when you get into a group of people like that much that you don't know, you just start learning all of these things you never could get just by, you know, being on the net or doing whatever. It's just the best. We're going to have to go to one in the future, contact in the desert or the Congress or

some way. 2016. We should go to the 2016. 2016. 2016. 2016. We should go to the 2016. 2016 was good. We should do that. We should go back to 2016. Yeah, we should do that. Whoa, we can meet those people at the bar.

We'll come, listen to the story again. Yeah, yeah, bring on this equipment. Because my mic was just, it probably wasn't that good at this time. Well, it's probably better than one cellotape to you. Yeah, I know. I know. I'm embarrassed. Yeah, I just love that the, you know, it's fascinating human behavior and just the stories

that are told, the truth and their eyes, the what if and at the end of the day, when you weigh it all up, where do you want to go, where do you want to believe and it's fun to believe in the unknown. It's just Amazing to be sitting on the cusp of yay or nay And on that note Being with us Running your career George Michael Laysinger! George Michael Laysinger! 3 2

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