The Current - The Current Introduces | The Con: Kaitlyn’s Baby

Episode Date: January 21, 2025

Kaitlyn Braun, a pregnant young woman in crisis, takes dozens of birth workers through an escalating series of disasters – rape, baby loss, and even a coma. One by one, the doulas struggle to support her and grieve with her, and even save her life as they’re led down a distressing path. And then the truth comes out.In this six-part true crime series, Sarah Treleaven untangles a complex web of lies and deception to ask who Kaitlyn really is and why she did the things that she did. Cases like these puzzle legal experts and raise intricate moral and ethical questions. This is not your average con. Kaitlyn is not your usual scammer.Kaitlyn's Baby is Season 2 of The Con — a podcast exposing the art of deception — from CBC and the BBC World Service. Season 1 - the critically acclaimed catfishing quest, Love, Janessa, launched in January 2023.Content warning: The latest season of The Con contains references to medical emergencies, including baby loss. We also deal with sexual assault and there is some strong language.More episodes are available at: https://link.mgln.ai/VPyaaH  

This is a CBC Podcast. Hello, we have a special bonus episode for you today from the brand new podcast. It's called The Con, Caitlin's Baby from CBC Podcasts and BBC World Service. Caitlin Braun, a pregnant young woman in crisis, takes dozens of birth workers through an escalating series of disasters, rape, baby loss, even a coma. One by one the doulas struggle to support her and grieve with her and even save her life as they are led down a distressing path and then the truth comes out. In this six part series, host Sarah Trelevin untangles a complex web of lies and deception

to ask who Caitlin really is and why she did the things she did, cases like these puzzle legal experts, and raise intricate moral and ethical questions. This is not your average con and Caitlin is not your typical scammer. Here's the first episode of the con, Caitlin's Baby. Have a listen. A warning. This story contains references to medical emergencies, including baby loss.

We also deal with sexual assault and there is some strong language. Please take care. It's a Friday night in November 2022. Amy Perry is at home in a town just west of Toronto, Canada. And she's sick. I was fighting an RSV virus that was going around. So I was going to be home not doing anything. She was spending most of her time in bed, bored and scrolling on Facebook.

I manage a Facebook group for local birth workers called Placenta Squad. I just love that name. Placenta Squad. Amy, along with most of the Placenta Squad, is a doula. I'm coming up on eight years. Yeah, I've been a doula for a long time. I've attended over a hundred births now, and it's been a ride. Doulas work with pregnant people. They're not medical professionals. They assist people through labor and delivery

by offering emotional support. The focus is on the woman, not the baby. They will help with massage or position or talk you through the pain or when things start to get too overwhelming. And they're different from midwives. A midwife has medical training. Often, a doula will work alongside midwives or doctors,

but unlike someone with medical expertise, they cannot give or prescribe medication. It just made sense for me. I could make my own hours. I could work around my health. I could have my own business. I could be here when my kids were little, and it made a lot of sense for us.

I'm the child of two parents of chronic illness. I've grown up taking care of people and this is very natural for me. Dula work can involve helping women through trauma. In fact, many Dulas come to this line of work through their own bad experiences. So it's a point of pride that they take on the really hard cases. And that night in November, Amy is scrolling on the Placenta Squad page when she sees a post from her friend and fellow doula, Katie. Katie is working with a client in crisis, who says her pregnancy is the result of an assault. Here's Katie.

Amy Placenta Squad She told me that, you know, generally that she didn't have family or friends to support her, and that it was just like as traumatic a scenario as it possibly could be, because she had just found out that her baby didn't have a heartbeat as well. This client's name was Caitlin Braun, and she was 24 years old, and she would now have to birth a stillborn baby. Kaitlyn found Katie through social media. After sending a message and setting things up, Katie and Kaitlyn connected on the phone.

Kaitlyn said she lived with her mom, but they didn't have the best relationship. Her life had been hard and full of neglect. She said basically like she is just kind of a victim of the system, if you will, and had gone through like years of different forms of abuse and just was like somebody that had fallen through the cracks at kind of every point along the way. This is November 2022. Remember COVID? Much of our world was online or by phone. And that includes doula work. So when labor started, it was Katie on the phone with Caitlin. She ended up having contractions while I was on the phone with her,

like working through contractions. They were timed out properly. When things would get more intense, her cognitive abilities would come and go, which is very normal. When her labor progressed, like she would be throwing up. It's at this point that Katie has to go to her day job. So she tags in Amy from the placenta squad, who's sick in bed, but able to support Caitlin through what is bound to be an emotional and difficult birth of a stillborn baby.

We really spent most of that day on phone calls. She told me that she had earbuds in her ears so she could be hands-free and that her phone was just in her pocket. I was honestly in the same situation, just walking around the house, phone in my pocket, kind of puttering around, doing some cleaning while I was coaching through contractions. Well, coaching through a stillbirth really isn't much different than coaching through any other delivery. When the contractions start, we remind them that she's safe, that she's in good hands, that there's people here to help her, that she's not alone,

that she's going to get to hold her baby soon. Kaitlin had mentioned to Amy that she was naming her child Eden. We used the name Eden, both of us, regularly. She would say things like, I'm going to get to hold you soon Eden, you were brought into my life for a reason. We're gonna get through this together She would say things like you're gonna be so beautiful I Would remind her that you know, she's a good mom that she's doing the best thing that she can do There was a moment where she questioned whether she could call herself a mom and I reassured her that of course you can call

Yourself a mom. This is your baby. While it might sound like a young woman having to deliver a stillborn baby that was conceived through rape could not possibly get more tragic, the truth of this story is devastating in a completely different way. Well, it took us a little bit to actually figure out what actually happened. And to be honest, I still don't fully have those answers.

I've reported on a lot of heart-wrenching stories. Social workers who exploited vulnerable kids. Ponzi schemers who stole life savings. I've spent the last year and a half immersed in Caitlin's world. And this is one of the most complex stories I've ever covered. A story that has puzzled psychiatrists and legal systems. A story that contorts moral and ethical instincts. And a perpetrator who takes up the valuable time of a stressed and

overloaded medical system. A woman who took so much from people whose job is to give. The people you will hear from never want any of this to happen again. But no one really knows what they would have done differently. We always were asking why. I mean, from the very first moment, I wanted to know why.

So it's a long story, settle in. For CBC and the BBC World Service, I'm Sarah Trelevin. And this is The Con, Caitlin's baby. Episode 1. The Barking Dog Hour after hour, Amy helps Caitlin with the early stages of labor. Amy constantly on the phone, encouraging, listening, crying, everything and anything Caitlin needs. Yeah, I mean, it sounded exactly like a contraction. It had a buildup, it had a high point, it had a come down, they were well spaced apart. There are some very subtle signs as birth workers that we can see that made sense to us. The way her voice just got a little in her chest

when she was feeling crampy or when she would tell me the different positions she would find herself just naturally going into through the contractions. She would tell me she was on her hands and knees or that she was squatting, that she was sitting on a yoga ball. But after quite a number of hours of this, I asked like, do you specifically want to lean into this? Like, do you want the tips and tricks to like really get this rolled over into an actual active labor? I was really coaching on how to move her body through the contractions. I was really focused on things like making sure her mood stayed as positive as possible because we know that negativity just works against us due to the labor process. So we were making jokes. We were building

a rapport. We sort of learned kind of quickly we have the same sense of dark humor. We were making comments about our families and she was asking questions about me and getting to know me and I was doing the same with her. Here is this lonely young woman, traumatized by a sexual assault that led to a pregnancy. A baby that died in utero at around 32 weeks and she is now birthing her child alone.

She tells Amy and Katie that her family has abandoned her, that they blamed her for the rape and didn't support her decision to keep the baby. In fact, Amy says that Kaitlyn told her all sorts of intimate things, which isn't unusual for doulas. Amy K. The one thing that really stood out to me that I was tiptoeing very carefully around when talking about getting the labor started was some of these more like pseudo-sexual type ways that we can move labor along. I was very informed from the beginning that this was a pregnancy via assault. When we're dealing with like a loving couple, it's not all that weird or awkward to talk about how

things like nipple stimulation or masturbation or pumping can move people over into active labor. She asked me specifically if nipple stimulation and pumping or masturbation would help. I never would have offered that information in the situation, but she asked the question. So I answered, I was honest and I said yes. And that was when she told me that she was doing some of those things through contractions. And I'm a doula, like this is normal for me in these situations. I was a little shocked that someone who had been through something like that would be okay with moving in this direction, but she had told me she was, so that was where we went. Kaitlin has been in labor for nearly 40 hours, and Amy was hardly sleeping,

hardly eating. We were getting to a point where like contractions were getting stronger, where they were getting closer together and longer, more powerful feeling through what I was listening to over the phone. And I said, you know, I'm, I'm starting to feel uncomfortable with the fact that you're at home and I think we need to start getting you over to a hospital. Amy is sick, so she can't meet Kaitlyn at the hospital. And Amy's friend and doula partner, Katie, is at work. But let's figure this out. I'd rather you be there alone than be at your house alone. And she right away was like, yep, I'll grab my keys, I'll get in the car. And I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, like you're not driving yourself to the hospital.

I'll call a cab for you if you can't make the call. I'll help you set up an Uber. Finally, after what felt like a lot more work than it should have, Amy convinces Caitlin to call a car. She'd say, okay, it's 11 minutes away. And I said, okay, great, we'll start counting them down. That's like, in my mind, we have a contraction every like five minutes. So I was saying things like that's two contractions we can do that right that's two contractions till the till the uber gets here you know I know it's gonna take you some time to I know you think you can get to the door in ten minutes but like you're in labor this is gonna take you time let's start getting our shoes on let's start getting the things we need let's make sure our stuff's at

the door we'll stop for contractions but that 10 minutes would go by and there'd still be nobody and she'd go, oh, he's still, now he's 12 minutes away. And I'd be like, okay, well, maybe he's picking somebody up on the way. Like, I don't know, I'm not there, I can't see her phone. And I'm like, okay, did you do everything right? Yes, another 10 minutes goes by. Once we get it 30 minutes, she tells me that she forgot to hit the confirm ride button. And so that's why the time had been dancing. And so she said, yep, it's for sure hit now. He's definitely on his way. I have a time he's going

to be here. And I am honestly like freaking out at this point. Like contractions are strong. And in my head, I'm picturing her having a stillborn baby in the doorway of her house when an Uber driver pulls up. And I'm losing it. So I asked if I can call an ambulance for her. And she said no. I don't know her address at this point either. So asked if I can call an ambulance for her and she said no. I don't know her address at this point either so even if I was to call 911, I don't have an address to send the ambulance. Back and forth they go until finally the car arrives. So she gets in the Uber. I hear like what's like I hear a car accelerating and decelerating. She's speaking to somebody else in the car. I can't hear them because I'm just in her earbuds. But she's speaking

as if there's somebody else in the car. And we're even making jokes about how this will be the story of his Uber career. Amy feels a wave of relief once Caitlin makes it to the hospital. So we get to the hospital, I hear, you know, you hear when people are walking through different environments. So I could hear, you know, it sounded like a lobby. I could hear what sounded like more enclosed space like an elevator. We did a contraction in the lobby. She was working her way up. She was excited that there was nobody in the elevator. And when she got to labor and delivery, she told

me she was going to hang up so that she could deal with that and she was going right in. When they finally reconnect, there's news. Caitlin's labor is progressing. She's four centimeters dilated, which for Amy means she's now in active labor and can be admitted to the hospital. But oddly, Caitlin is being sent home. They wouldn't admit her until she was five centimeters, which sounds weird to me, but I'm not there,

and that she was being sent home with the promise of Pitocin the next morning. Host 2 Pitocin is a drug that induces labor. Host 1 The next day, I spent the entire Saturday alone at my house on the phone with her, continuing this labor. We started our conversation with me saying, okay, like, when are you going in for this Pitocin? Like, when's your appointment? And she told me two o'clock in the afternoon, which I right away was a little red flagged on because she had told me Pitocin in the

morning and like a 2pm afternoon appointment is like far away from what was happening in my mind. But I don't know what's happening at the hospital. I don't know what's going on. So I really just hang out on the phone with her. Amy coaches Kaitlyn through more contractions. They all sounded really real to me. They do the car booking dance again.

Not quite the same where she forgot to hit the button, but this time she told me the name of the driver. And again, there was like a conversation with this driver that I could hear through her. I didn't hear this person, but I heard, you know, the same like car sounds. And she got to her appointment. She went right in. Kaitlyn narrates as she goes through triage, then up the elevator and she's booked into

labor and delivery. Finally, finally, things seem to be going in the right direction. And Amy's relieved that Kaitlin will not be having this stillborn baby by herself. A few hours later, there's news. Baby Eden is here. We had a lovely stillbirth delivery, like, you know, as nice as it could be. She described to us what the baby looked like when she was holding her. She got that immediate skin to skin and she described what it was like to hold the baby

and what she felt like. It's such a heartbreaking situation and they made the best of it together. All of this, remember Amy is just on the phone. And then she started making noises like she was in pain again. She was making like, oof, like, oh, kind of noises like something was being done to her body. And she explained to me that they were tugging at her placenta, that they were tugging at the cord and that it was painful and she was having a hard time with that. And so I was just reminding her to breathe, you know, let

her body do what it's supposed to do. You know, I'm here for you, whatever happens. And just reminding her she's not alone. Katelin is bleeding. A lot. She tells Amy that the doctors are nervous and she's heading to the operating table. Ultimately, the decision was made that she needs a hysterectomy. A hysterectomy is when a woman's uterus is removed. It's major surgery. And so I'm on the phone with a 24-year-old girl who's just had a stillborn baby to a sexual assault. And now I have to process with her that she needs a hysterectomy after this. And I just want to pause you there for one second. Tell me about where Caitlin's at

at this moment. She's just acting very sad at this moment. To me it was acting like she was a little bit dissociative. Like she maybe wasn't really present in the moment. She started like whispering a lot of the bad news. So she would like get really quiet and say they want to do a hysterectomy. And then you'd be like, okay, that really blows. Like, let's figure that out, but like right now you just need to know that you're safe. Like these are medical professionals. They're trying to do what's best for you.

If you're bleeding this badly, then like they're trying to save your life and I'm here for you, right? But things go from bad to worse. The hysterectomy didn't stop the bleeding. Kaitlyn needs life-saving surgery and needs to be moved to a bigger hospital with a trauma unit. It sounded like she was fading, like it sounded like she was having difficulty talking, like she was having difficulty staying awake. She

would talk about how scared she was. Amy stays with Caitlin on the phone the whole ambulance ride to the bigger hospital. She would explain what the inside of the ambulance looked like. Honestly, she used a lot of tactics that I have been taught all my life in therapy. Things like focusing on one object in the room and describing that object in the room.

Or focusing on one feeling in the room and describing that object in the room, or focusing on one feeling you're having instead of all the different feelings you're having. And so we spent time doing that. I would remind her, you know, it's 20 minutes up the road in an ambulance driving bad out of hell. We're not going to be that long. We can do this. We counted down the minutes together. Suddenly, Amy realizes that none of the doctors or nurses working on Caitlin have Amy's contact information. She described to me and I listened to her speaking to somebody else and giving my contact information and it being written down on a pink sticky note which was put on the front

of her file that was being passed over. That if something happened to her during the surgery, that like, her mom didn't know us, her family didn't know us, no one would know to call us. Katie and I were fully prepared to be searching obituaries for the next four days if we didn't hear from her. Kaitlin tells Amy that she's being wheeled into surgery and hangs up. Amy is alone, off the phone, for the first time in days. I am just standing in the shower, staring at the wall, scalding hot water, thinking,

like, I'm two days in and I have no idea what's coming. At around 3 a.m., not long after an exhausted Amy finally drifts off to sleep, she gets a call from Caitlin. Out of surgery, but not out of danger. So she would say things like, oh, like this pain is building in my stomach, I'm starting to feel pain in my belly. I'm feeling bloated. And then she would look down or reach down, and she would see blood. And I would have to say, is there someone there?

Is there someone you can speak to? Have they left you the call button? And she'd say, I don't want to press the call button. And I'd say, girl, you've got to press the call button. Like, we don't have a choice right now. Press your call button. She'd go, OK, I press the call button. And then she would describe a nurse coming and checking on

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you get your podcasts. I want to just stop here and acknowledge that this is a lot. Like, so much. And in hindsight, Amy sees that now. But at the time she was tending to Caitlin, even though it was all on the phone, it was overwhelming. She hardly ate, rarely slept. All she did was focus all of her energy on what Caitlin needed. And as someone who had chosen a profession that at its core is about caring for others, her instinct wasn't to say, hey, this seems like a lot for one person. At this point, more than anything, I am exhausted. I am completely emotionally checked out. I am no longer taking care of myself.

It's something Amy's ex-husband has noticed. It's why he was keeping their kids at his place. Amy's girlfriend at the time is also concerned. But at this point, everyone is just doing what they can to support Amy. And Amy needs the support. It's been three days now, and Caitlin's problems just keep getting worse and worse. She starts hinting to us that this no longer seems like necessarily a gynecological issue, but maybe something more is going on here. We have another emergency hospital transfer and this time it's in a helicopter. So she tells me that she's being helicoptered from

McMaster and Hamilton to Toronto General. She says she's covering her mic when it's loud and so that I don't hear too much of what's going on. when it's loud and so that I don't hear too much of what's going on. She makes a little quip about, oh, your pink sticky note's still on the front of the file. So everyone will know to contact you if they need to. And she tells me when she can see the CN Tower and she's using phrases like, I feel like I'm dying.

It's so hard to live right now, I just want to give up. And all I can do is just encourage her to keep breathing and keep focusing on the environment she's in and know that she's getting somewhere where she's going to be safe. At this point, Katie, Amy's friend and fellow doula, is back on the calls, sometimes together and sometimes with Caitlin alone. There was no ability to just like continue on with life as this was happening, like everything was on hold. I was calling in sick from work. I told my boss like I have a friend going

through an emergency. I need some time off. My partner was like basically keeping me fed and like semi-functional and like having to explain to our families at that point too of like I was at my partner's house and his mom was like hey why hasn't Katie left the basement in like a week. She had told us that the blood clots were getting bigger that one of them was weighed in at 5.7 pounds. She even explained how it ripped her as it came out. She would start sending us selfies, but they were all very close. So we couldn't necessarily see what was happening in the background. And the whole time she wore the same sports bra. We had like a half a thought, like why isn't she

wearing a hospital gown? Katelin tells the two doulas that she's starting to go septic. She needs dialysis. It's a smorgasbord of catastrophe. Everything that can go wrong is going wrong, and all to this desperate young woman who just lost her baby. At some point there was a more major surgery that needed to happen or something that we couldn't be there for.

And she's getting more weak sounding and she says that she can hear doctors yelling at each other and you know people are disagreeing with treatment like it feels tense on her end. And we are hysterical. I mean we are both crying and we just listened basically like at some point she's just stopped talking and all we could hear was her breathing on the phone and we kind of assumed maybe she had been put under but we weren't really sure and then the call was still going but it just goes quiet.

but it just goes quiet. And we were even, like we were both on the call, not speaking, texting each other going, how long until we hang up? Like once in a while we're just saying, you know, we love you, Caitlin, if you can hear us, like you're going to be okay, we'll talk to you when you wake up. Everything's going to be okay. Like, you're going to see another day." At some point, the call drops. For a few hours, Katie and Amy do nothing but worry until Caitlin gets back in touch at 5 a.m. the next day. And then she texted us that she was being diagnosed with stage 4a pelvic cancer. It's now been a week since Caitlin went into labor. She told us

that it was specifically in her vagina, in her pelvis, and in her rectum. We asked what they said the next steps were going to be, if there was a prognosis with this information. She told us that the next steps included a vaginectomy, radiation, and palliative care. So at this point, we are under the understanding that at some point she is going to die. Um... She told us that they gave her brochures of the different palliative care options. We had real conversations about when is it okay to give up. And just die. And just die.

And just die. Just one week after Amy started coaching Caitlin on giving birth, she's now coaching her for her own death. Amy suggests it's a good time for Caitlin to reach out to her estranged sister in England and tell her that things aren't looking good. They talked about who Caitlin would give her social media

passwords to, what they should say after she died. They figure out where Caitlin should be buried. Amy helps Caitlin write a will to disperse her very few meaningful possessions. And then Caitlin says that she's having a nurse witness and sign it. She was saying things like, we're all trauma bonded forever. I don't ever want to get rid of you.

We're going to be in this together forever. We're never going to forget each other now. Also making it very clear that she was sorry that she was putting us through this. So she would say things like, I'm so sorry. You have to listen. You don't have to like, I'm so sorry, you have to listen, like you don't have to stay here with me if you don't want to, you can go at any time, like, almost pushing us away so that we would become even more solid in our like, no, we're here for you, we're going to be with you through this, we're not going anywhere.

Amy and Katie promise they'll come and spend Christmas with Caitlin. It's just a month away and Caitlin is really worried that she'll be all alone if she's even still alive. The two doulas commit to decorating her room at the hospice and singing Caitlin's favorite carols. I got to a place of being so connected to her that I was saying like like screw your mom like, screw your mom, like I'm your mom now, you don't need her in your life. At some point in all of this mess, a little over a week since Caitlin went into labor,

it's decided that Caitlin has to be moved again, to another hospital to deal with the cancer. Caitlin tells Amy that she's been loaded into yet another ambulance. It's late at night, it's about 10 o'clock at night, and I'm on the phone with her by myself. And she starts getting very quiet. And she says to me, I'm not alone. And I'm like, what do you mean you're not alone? And she says that she's in the back of the ambulance and that there's a doctor here and

he's scaring her. And I'm confused, but my body is, I mean, I'm physically reacting to this already. What do you mean you're alone? What do you mean you're uncomfortable? Can you see his name tag, Caitlin? Can you tell me what his name is? And it goes on and she's sounding more and more scared. He's here, he's getting closer. I don't know what to do. She says, oh my God, and the phone call cuts. And I am picturing her being raped in the back of an ambulance by a doctor.

Amy is freaking out. She can't believe this is happening. I called Katie. I said, like, do I call 911? I don't know what ambulance she's in. Before the doulas can even decide what to do, Caitlin calls back. She tells them that the attack is over and the doctor is out of the ambulance. She tells Amy that she's at the new hospital and has reported the incident.

But to Amy, she seems oddly calm. And Caitlin really wants to recount every graphic detail. We were told that they were going to collect evidence and that they would be in touch with the police. But like we were, we were a mess. I mean, I'm, I was even more checked out. And when you say checked out. I hung up that phone and I went and I vomited. This whole ordeal goes on for a total of ten days. Frantic calls that go on for hours. Katie and Amy putting their lives on hold for Caitlin. I was a zombie.

I mean, I am a smart, well-spoken, educated individual. And I had none of those abilities. Friends are checking, family is worried. But neither Amy nor Katie can get off the train. They are trauma bonded. I had a friend who I was, who's a doula, who I was, she made a comment on that Thursday kind of mid-afternoon to me.

And all she said was, wow, I can't believe that all of this is happening to the same person. That comment, Amy's friend wondering out loud what we are all wondering, finally makes Amy ask the same thing. Those red flags, the old sports bra instead of a hospital gown, the strange timing of the Pitocin shot,

all of a sudden these were pretty hard to ignore. And then Amy remembers something that happened a few days before. She's again being taken into the operating room, and we hear a dog bark. And I have spent a lot of time in ICUs, both for myself and with other people, and I have never and could not imagine a situation where someone would have a dog in an ICU. And then Amy's girlfriend has more questions. She calls me and she says, Amy, I need to tell you something. And I'm like preparing myself, like what could this be? And she says, if these doctors are getting arrested,

it's not on the news. Caitlin told Amy that the doctor that assaulted her was being arrested. And Amy starts to think her girlfriend has a point. Surely if a doctor's arrested for sexually assaulting a dying woman in an ambulance, it would make the news. So we started digging.

And very quickly we started getting our answers. Katie is put in charge of sleuthing, trying to verify everything Caitlin had told them, all of the pictures she had sent. I started reverse image searching stuff that she had sent us. The photo of a stillborn baby that she sent to Amy. And it was like something so ridiculous. Like if you type in 32 weeks stillborn baby on Google images, it's like the second picture that pops up.

Like she didn't even try that hard to hide her tracks. The picture of a tumor that she sent us that had supposedly come out of her reverse search that and it was like the Wikipedia picture for like colon cancer or something like that. By this point I'm out. I'm like, fuck this whole situation. I don't believe a word of it anymore. I don't know what's going on." Amy's mind is racing. What is happening, but also why? Why would anyone lie about all of this? What did Caitlin really want from them?

And how is it possible that she was able to do all of this so well? And in that moment, it occurred to her. There's no way we're the first. They weren't. She texts me, oh, you can just come in. You know, ha ha, I might be fully naked. And that was the first time it crossed my mind that something was off,

like something felt off about that. And I had a moment where I stopped before I went in, and I thought, I'm about to be kidnapped. That's next time on The Con, Caitlin's Baby. We made numerous attempts to contact Caitlin Braun, outlining the allegations made through the series and inviting her to respond to what has been said. She made it clear to me that she didn't want to be involved with the podcast. The invitation remains open to Caitlin should she change her mind and wish to respond.

This is a CBC and BBC World Service production. The show is written, researched, and produced by me, Sarah Trelevin. It was also written and produced by Kathleen Goldhar. Extra production support from Andrew Friesen and Alexis Green. Sound design and scoring by Mitchell Stewart. Emily Quinnell is our digital coordinating producer. Our senior producer is Veronica Simmons. The fact-checker is Emily Mathieu. Our executive producers are Cecil Fernandez and Chris Oak. Tanya Springer

is our senior manager and Arif Noorani is the director of CBC Podcasts. For the BBC World Service, Kat Collins is the senior producer and John Manel is the podcast commissioning editor. Caitlin's Baby, episode two is available for you right now. Just search for the con wherever you get your podcasts and be sure to follow so you don't miss an episode.