The Daily Beast Podcast - Epstein Files are About to Spill Into Open: Wolff

Episode Date: November 12, 2025

Michael Wolff joins Joanna Coles to unpack Trump’s tangled web of the Epstein files and Ghislaine Maxwell’s looming possible pardon. From the back in action Congress maneuvering to demand documents across the FBI, Justice Department, and multiple federal districts, to the astonishing perks Maxwell enjoys behind bars, Wolff and Coles trace the threads that link influential players, past crimes, and potential cover-ups. They dive into the “out-in-the-open” maneuvers protecting key witnesses, and what it all means for Donald Trump’s ongoing exposure. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

I really, really wanted to talk to you about the fact Mike Johnson is now reopening the House, which means guess what's back on the docket, the Epstein files. So what will happen theoretically is that the House will vote to subpoena the Epstein file or files. Theoretically, it is everything that exists within the United States government on Jeffrey Epstein. Michael, butch to discuss. Last time I saw you, the Democrats were riding high of their victory from the election and now what's happening. And they were also winning the shutdown. Hands down, this was their shutdown, which doesn't usually happen that the opposition party can claim victory on this. But given that it is Trump, who can be counted on to so often shoot himself in the foot, again, and again because fundamentally he is self-destructive. So when he's taking food, snatching food from babies, when he's not snatching babies themselves, to refusing to find money to pay the air controllers to again and again and again, essentially being willing and enjoying it, to ups, to disrupt

major parts of American life. This is what he would do. I am going to do that. So there he was, remote, disengaged, having parties, uncaring, and, you know, a complete shit. So that's what we went into. And suddenly, yesterday, the Democrats are like, okay, we give up. It was incomprehensible to me, too. And also it's very unusual to see the Democrats turn on each other.

I mean, you had Gavin Newsom saying this is unconditional surrender at the other side of the country. Newsom's in California, New York. Richie Torres is saying this is ridiculous. How do we make sense of this? I mean, the Democrats, I guess we make sense by saying the Democrats are the Democrats. And ultimately, they fall back. or a good, in this case, a decisive margin of the Democrats, fell back on seeing this as politics as usual. Right, right.

Politics as Trump, exclusively Trump, anomalously Trump, you know, never to be the same Trump. This is like, you know, we're in the Senate, the Senate doesn't like this, and we have to, we have to, we have. to be practical and take our... Well, and I think they're seeing lines for food, right? And they're thinking this is really bad. I mean, I think they're genuinely caring the people that made the decision, right? Absolutely. Absolutely.

But they are seeing this as a political event rather than an existential one. But the crazy of it, because even Trump knew that they were that the Republicans were losing the shutdown. He actually said people are blaming the Republicans for it. But what he did also say and has been saying within the White House is in his threes, they'll fold, they'll fold, they'll fold. And if they do, we win, we win, we win. He's saying that in the White House? Yes. Yes. He said this to both AIDS because the Republicans have been really worried about this. You know, I mean, essentially, essentially this has not involved the Democrats, what it had been up until yesterday, involving the Republicans negotiating against each other. How do we get this guy, Trump, to a sit down for a meeting, listen to the Democrats, appear to come to some kind of compromise, I mean, work it out, as these things have always been worked out. that didn't happen because because he doesn't do it. He doesn't, you know, the greatest,

I am the greatest negotiator on earth. In truth, he is not a negotiator or the worst negotiator, but really not a negotiator. It's my way or the highway, always my way or the highway. So what's inside Trump's head? Because he was feeling a bit raw coming off the Democratic victory. He just did a fiery interview with Laura Ingram, where she pushed back on his idea for 50-year mortgages. She pushed back on the idea that people are feeling good about the economy. She pushed back on the idea that the polls giving him terrible ratings are fake. This is just Trump who has one mindset, all or nothing, which I'll point out is the title of my last book. You know, my last book is about the campaign, and the campaign was just, again,

you know, four indictments, one criminal conviction, it didn't make any difference to him. Just, just do not alter your position at all. And if you do this, if you are irrational, then the rational people actually fold. That's what they do. Those people, in the Senate, those eight senators, all, you know, in career politicians, completely, completely rational, all about cause and effect. They could have been, it was a reliable prediction. But does the Democratic Party now split into the people who understand how to deal with Trump, or at least think they understand? Because none of them understand. They really don't. Yes, there was a glimmer at this point that

they would go the distance, but I don't know how much more distance they would actually go. And I've got to believe that these eight people did this because that was basically the mood of the party. So Chuck Schumer, who people are blaming for this and other people saying, well, he's not to blame. I'm sure he is to blame. And I'm sure that there was a tacit kind of thing within the Democratic Party, certainly among the Senate Democrats, which was, you know, how much longer can we really go on this? Right. And two of them are retiring. And then the other six, none of them are up for re-election next year. So they're relatively safe in terms of no one will remember this probably next month, but certainly not by the next election. We're back to that thing, that Trump fights an

asymmetrical battle. And they don't get it at all. They're still in. We're politicians and we do what politicians do. They're still fighting George W. Bush. They're still just doing what they've done for their whole careers. It's a we have a process job. It's about procedures. It's about cause and effect. We know this. Trump, no. Trump is all or nothing. Now, that is in, those are diametrically opposite mindsets. I mean, Trump will go down. He is willing to go down. Um, Now, people don't let him go down because I think they don't know how to do that. They don't really, what is – I mean, and they're looking at this and saying, you know, this is the crazy man. What's the crazy man going to do?

We better do something. So that fundamental political precept, if the opposition is immolating itself, do nothing. Instead, they gave it to them. Did you see the Laura Ingram interview? No one ever sees any interviews anymore except Donald Trump. Yes, I saw the clips. What did you think? Well, I knew what was going on.

Well, that's really what I'm asking. What was going on? Yeah, so Laura Ingram at Fox, she is the anchor who is the mouthpiece for the Fox owner Rupert Murdoch. Everybody else is kind of difficult and doing whatever they have to do to get the best ratings they can possibly get. The Fox people have wanted to fire Laura Ingram for a long time. She doesn't really get ratings, but she is protected by Rupert Murdoch. Therefore, she says what Rupert Murdoch wants her to say or what Rupert Murdoch wants to be said. So, so, in the In that interview, you know, and Rupert Murdoch, you know, has this deeply, tragically

conflicted relationship with Donald Trump, who he detests. But nevertheless, Donald Trump is the president of the United States. And Donald, and Rupert's relationship to power is, you know, he understands, he understands power. Right, he understands where it is and how to get the fallout from it. he has to what he has to do. So he is theoretically a Trump ally at this point. But that's a, that's on thin ice. And so he uses his outlets. The Wall Street Journal is often opposed to Trump. Fox less so. But in this instance, it was. So Murdoch would have been aware that this interview was set up. And then he would have been on the phone with with Lord.

Orra Ingram, and she would have taken notes. Now, that is also difficult because to be on the phone with Rupert Murdoch, I can do it. Hmm. No one can understand what he said. Yes. So, a more power to her. Right. But she certainly delivered the, that was not the Fox line.

It was the Rupert Murdoch line. Okay. Well, I love the line where she walked. around the Oval Office and said, is this all from Home Depot talking about all the gold decor? Because he's saying, you can't just get paint that has gold in it. That seemed a good line and sort of slightly withering of him. And then his strange understanding that most people's mortgages were for 40 years and now we were extending them to 50 and she had to correct them and say 30. Yeah, no. I mean, Rupert literally would have called her

up and said that asshole. That's his always his always the bottom line when it comes to, comes to Rupert's view of Trump. He's an asshole. And you say, what an asshole.

I can't even begin to do his accent or his mumble. But you say in the first book, Fire and Fury, it's Rupert's great tragedy. He always wanted to make a president of the United States. The fact is he made it Trump and he hates Trump and doesn't respect him. Yes, the great irony is that it is Donald Trump. There's also an

anecdote in your book The Fool. I'm sounding like one of those superfans who now turns up at a book reading and has all your books in a pile and asks you to sign them. I promise you I'm not that. But there is an... I'm willing to sign anyone's books. Come with as many as you have. All right. Or you can send them to the Daily Beast offices and we'll get them signed for you. colleague of mine from Vanity Fair who sent me his copy of Fire and Fury

annotated and asked me to sign it. This was very nice. Well, now, what is that? Almost six years later, I look at that book constantly and somehow I cannot bring myself to, I have signed

it to put it in an envelope and go to the mailbox and the post office and send it back. It's just a moment of guilt constantly in my life, just to point that out. Okay, well, then just remove it, remove it from your office. All right, you can send them to us and I'll fake sign them. No, no, no, no. We'll have you sign them on the podcast as we're talking. But my point is, there is an anecdote about Laura Ingram at Roger Ailes' funeral. Ingram. Ingram. Okay, Ingram. You say Ingram. I don't know what to say.

But there is an anecdote about her at the funeral because don't you fly down to Roger Ailes' funeral with Sean Hannity. My wife and I flying down on Sean Hannity's plane, which is an entirely other story how that came to be. And that should be another episode of the podcast. But at the funeral in Roger Ailes' funeral in Palm Beach, Laura Ingram was there. And I've always been friendly with her. and when we saw each other in the church, we had a nice conversation. But from that point progressively on,

she got drunker and drunker and drunker. Drunk to the point of, you know, in the 1960s on television, there was always a character of the drunken character, which is not really how people act when they get drunk, But this is how actually Laura Ingram acted. You know, the speech, the slurred speech, she couldn't stand straight, her hands all over you. And then on the way back, she wanted a ride back. She didn't come down with us, but she wanted to ride back on Sean Hannity's plane.

And Hannity said, no. So he kind of whispered Soto Voj. no way those planes that bathroom is very small we do not want to see that what do you mean that bathroom is very small we do not want to see that you know on the plane when she threw up

oh she was that dry and the plane would be bumped well what was the Sessna four-seater no but you know those but it wasn't that it was a you know it was a respectable private plane but not a

super private plane Right. Does Sean Hannity have his own plane or was it rented for the event? It does. He does have his own plane. But a smaller executive plane. Smaller executive plane. Okay. Well, we've somehow got distracted. The bathroom is right there and you didn't want to go because it's like, you know the. Yeah. I thought Laura pushed back against Trump quite well. More effectively than Nora O'Donnell on 60 Minutes looked stern, but she didn't really push back as much as Laura did. You know, they were both carrying water.

Laura for Rupert Murdoch, Nora O'Donnell for the 60-minute CBS, and who's that company that bought CBS? Skydance. Skydance and Paramount. Whatever those executives were saying, this is, you know, go gentle on. Well, Barry Wise, actually. Barry Wise. Go gentle on Trump.

Matter of fact, that may well have been part of their settlement in the 60 minutes. suit. So $15 million plus go gentle on Donald Trump. Okay, which brings us neatly to the BBC, which lost its Director General and its head of news, Tim Davy and Deb Turner, who used to be the head of NBC news, they both resigned this week after accusations that Panorama, their flagship documentary show, had actually elided two different speeches. Yeah. So the thing is, I mean, we can break that. What they did was they shouldn't have done and was a mistake, which you should have been able to apologize for, and life goes on. They had to resign bringing the BBC to its knees in many, many respects right now because, well, enormous political pressure within the UK against the BBC, but also Trump, Trump now threatening to sue him for a billion dollars. And we ought to say that the person threatening to sue the BBC for a billion dollars is also the person who threatened to sue me for a billion dollars.

I mean, the lawyer. Alessandro Brito. Exactly. So this guy in Florida who is now kind of runs, you know, the Trump libel industrial complex. You just send out these things. And everybody, including now the BBC, goes, you know, clasps its breasts and panics and, you know, now fires its executives. So, and I will again say that I am the only one who has not panicked and has fired back. And the GoFundMe page is still open, still collecting because I am not going to fold.

At any rate, but I don't want to get off the BBC because I don't want to, you know, I also want to say two things can be true at the same time that they're getting screwed by across the right-wing political spectrum, including the right-wing in the UK and the right-wing in the White House. But having said that, the other thing that's true is, is the BBC, if anyone, I mean, I've never met such arrogant people, such remote people. What world do they live in? This is, this is, so while I would never have, what has happened to them is completely unfair, at the same time, they deserve everything they get. I don't feel as strongly as you do about the BBC. Because you're inculcated. Well, as a British person I grew up, there were three channels to watch, and you always felt like it was reliable, that it was doing its best. The institution is always going to be bigger than any one person that works there, right? I think also Tim Davies had a difficult time because their lead anchor,

the man who announced the Queen's death on television, got into trouble because he was paying underage boys to send him photos of themselves naked. Oh, well, yes, that old that old chestnut. Well, it's not a British habit. It's definitely not a British habit. It is extraordinary how they just gave Trump

this gift, though. I am speechless. I know, literally when your enemy is committing suicide, what do you do sit quietly? All they had to do was just wait this out. He would have, and they said, well, he would never have crumbled. What are you talking about?

I mean, he had the following choices and to crumble or to get rid of the filibuster, which other people in the Senate were not going to do, or to continue on. He was going to get the blame on this. But all the energy that the Democrats had from the election victory now feels like it's just blown away on the wind. Totally. Blown away on the wind. And so the larger story here is that we are beginning this year, now formally beginning the year to the 2026 midterms. And those are going to involve a reckoning in the Democratic Party. And that will then be the precursor to what happens in 2028. But this is the kind of thing. And we ought to we ought to be able to start to frame that story

because this is a big story. I mean, together with the Trump story, which is obviously the biggest story and will be the biggest story for the next hundred years, but what the Democrats are now going to do, the spotlight is on them, and the onus is on them.

Well, certainly as far as I could see, Newsom was the first person out on social media saying the Democrats have unconditionally surrendered. This is terrible. Well, yeah, and I think Newsom is the first one out of the gate. I mean, he is going to, I mean, he is out of the gate for 2028. He is running for president clearly. And he will, in order to do this, he will look to step up for 2026.

Right. And remember, 2026 is going to be pivotal. That is the moment that could truly, and we don't have to wait until 2028, bring down Donald Trump. We could have a ticker here just clouting down the days because it's, whatever it is, 363 days to the next election, to the midterms. And a word from our sponsor. Michael and I are back, inside Trump's head. It's very exciting.

I mean, I saw that your friend, Trey Parker, had made a comment saying that it's not that South Park has become political. It's that politics has become pop culture. And we are all engaged now. I mean, the idea that you would have a ticker and you would be excited about the midterm elections, who knew that that was something anyone would ever say? Matt Stone is really my friend in that duo. And I should tell the story at some point about when I thought that Matt Stone should be the president of the United States and when I got Steve Bannon, who I thought should abandon Trump.

And I said, this is your real populist candidate. And then I had them both to dinner at my house, a complete catastrophe. Well, go on. Well, I will. happened? Well, they just didn't click in any way. I mean, Matt was utterly contemptuous of Steve Bannon, and Bannon was not able to rise to the populist occasion. All right. Well, then that does bring us to Steve Bannon and his expression, Burning Daylight, that neither of us knew what it meant. But in fact, thank you, thank you. Scores of people actually wrote in to tell us that it means don't waste time. Your burning daylight.

Daylight is valuable. And then someone said that it was actually, it made an appearance in a John Wayne movie. The Cowboy. The Cowboy, okay, which I'm sure that Steve Bannon has seen, where Burning Daylight is a John Wayne line in the movie, The Cowboys, and that's from Beer Check on. Beer Checkan.

Anyway, thank you. Anyway, if anyone else has any other point of view on that, we're... Yeah, we're open. I liked it. It's a great expression. All right. So I really, really wanted to talk to you about the fact Mike Johnson is now reopening the house, which means guess what's back on the docket, the Epstein files. Well, not that it ever left, frankly. Okay. Well, it was just hovering. It was simmering on the back burner. And now it's been moved to the front burner. So what will happen theoretically is that the House will vote to see. subpoena the Epstein file, or files.

Those things that Pam Bondi had on her desk in February. Well, we don't know. I assume what she had on her desk was nothing blank pieces of paper, which is part of the problem. And that is now going to become the next part of this battle. So they are going to subpoena something, but they don't know what they are subpoenaing. and then it will be they'll have to figure out exactly what that is.

And the executive branch, which will have to deliver this material, will define what that is. I mean, within the hands of the executive branch is the ability now to define what that is, plus its own, I suspect, confusion about what it is and where it is. And then what they redact and don't redact. So the executive branch, even with a vote in Congress, is still basically in charge of these, of this material. Epstein file.

Okay, which is the stuff that the FBI has, right? Well, we don't know. I mean, it's theoretically, it is everything that exists within the United States government on Jeffrey Epstein. And just to remind people, this is the joint effort between Thomas Massey, the very independent, leaning Republican, and Congressman Roe Kana from California, the two of them got together, backed by, they've got enough Republican votes with Marjorie Taylor Green. Lauren Boba and Nancy Mace, plus the Republicans, to get 218 votes, which means they can demand the files. Right. So let's look where the files are. There are what the FBI holds. There is what the Justice Department holds. And while the FBI reports the Justice Department, those are not necessarily material in the same place. Plus, that would be considered what main

justice holds. Then there's the Southern District in New York, and then there is the Florida District. And that's just within that framework. There is potentially throughout other parts of the government and what they know about Jeffrey Epstein, including the financial investigations that have at various times begun about Epstein and his business endeavors and business relationships. And plus, there he is on the local level. I mean, he was actually convicted in Florida state court, not in federal court. So this is all, this is just spread far and wide and it will be. it will be sort of up to Congress to kind of define what they're looking for.

Those will, if an investigation actually begins, if hearings actually happen, then that's the question. Where is this? What are they? What is, how do we define this information about this guy? Which leads us nicely on, that's the Oversight Committee doing their job there. but on the Judiciary Committee, Jamie Raskin, the Democrat from Maryland, has been asking about Gillen Maxwell's what seems to be preferential treatment at Bryan, the jail she was transferred to

from her less salubrious jail in Florida after the two-day interview with the number two in the Justice Department. Todd Blanche. Yes, from a terrible jail in Florida to a jail, a club fed, which sexes, offenders are by statute excluded from. It's also interesting when you have a sex offender who has offended against women in a women's jail. I'm assuming this doesn't happen very often. I mean, because in a man's jail, don't they get put into solitary confinement for their own protection. I don't know, but there aren't that many women sex offenders. Right. And certainly not that are sentenced to 20 years

for sex trafficking. And I wanted to read you the story that we had in The Beast. I wanted to read you some of the details because it was kind of amazing. So this is Jamie Raskins saying that a top prison official is complaining that he is sick of being Gillen Maxwell's bitch at her cushy new prison digs. Apparently she has a puppy and the Maryland lawmaker, I'm reading a paragraph here, alleged that anyone pushing back against the grotesque pampering of Maxwell is being punished and retaliated against by prison warden Tunisia Hall.

And Maxwell was transferred to the low security camp where she has her own private physical trainer and she's getting her own meals delivered to her in herself. I mean, I would quite like my own personal exercise classes and have meals delivered to me. I don't want to go to jail, obviously. I'm just mentioning it. I mean, if you've got to be in jail, it's not bad. And then we know that she sent emails to her family saying this is so much better. And the warden is actually one of the more professional people I have met in the prison system.

I wonder if she could give a review of her prisons. Let me just briefly digress and say. Don't digress too much because I am fascinated by her. Well, let's go because, I mean, her leverage here is much more powerful than $50,000 or whatever contribution she might be able to make. Her leverage here is the President of the United States. Let's be very clear. I mean, it is clear.

It is transparent what is happening here. And let's go back. The Wall Street Journal published a Donald Trump's birthday greeting to Jeffrey Epstein on the occasion of his 50th birthday. a birthday greeting which did not let us say we're down to Donald Trump's advantage. Well, it talks about their wonderful secret that they shared. Exactly.

And we want to know what the wonderful secret was. Right. So within the White House, everyone immediately understood that this was a leak from the Maxwell family and describing it as a shot across the bow. Almost immediately, several days later, The number two in the Justice Department was sent down to Florida to interview Galane Maxwell, a sex offender. Now, this is the number two in the Justice Department who just happened to have formerly been Donald Trump's personal lawyer.

But this would never happen, not in the realm of logic would the number two in the Justice Department personally go and interview a convicted sex offender. Anyway, he goes and interviews the convicted sex offender, Galane Maxwell. Shortly thereafter, there is a transcript of their interview released in which clearly Galane Maxwell is utterly on script. Donald Trump is the greatest guy. I love the guy. Never saw anything inappropriate. Never, never, never.

I mean, she, so everything. And also, top lunch was pretty fawning towards her. I've seen very, you know, thanks for profusely for doing this interview, as if she had lots of other things to do and wasn't stuck in prison for the next 20 years. No, the amazing thing is how transparent this was. I mean, the thing, I mean, it's kind of confusing. The thing about cover-ups is that they're supposed to be hidden. I mean, what is it even called when the cover-up is out in the open?

It's released on a transcript. And then almost immediately afterward, she is. is she is transferred from her terrible prison to a vastly better prison. On the way, I think we can reasonably assume to a pardon or commutation of her sentence. And again, you know, the cover-up is completely out in the open. One more time, another word from our sponsor. And Michael Wolf and I, Joanna Coles, are back inside Trump's head. Well, Jamie Raskin is on the case wanting to know what's going on there.

And of course, that wasn't, I mean, he may be thinking of pardoning Gilein Maxwell, but he's actually just pardoned 77 people on his crew, the people who were denying that the 2020 election had been won by Joe Biden. No, I mean, and to pardon Gislane Maxwell, would seem to be appalling, except that this, she just joins the long, long, long list of other appalling pardons. True. The difference here is, I think, that there is a very motivated, articulate, attractive group of Epstein victims who will not take this line down. Well, I think that they will not take this line down, and this will continue to haunt Donald Trump. But what it avoids

is the person potentially with the smoking gun. So he will not have, he seems to have arranged it, so he will not have Gleine Maxwell saying on this day in Palm Beach in 1999, Trump was with this girl or whatever else she might say, and obviously there is great fear about what she might say because of all everything that we're seeing that she is she is getting not to say it. So he avoids that. So in that respect, the out in the open cover up will probably succeed. Yes, the Epstein matter will go on.

Yes, people will continue to try to get to the bottom of it, including yours truly. But that pivotal witness, Galane Maxwell, that pivotal person who is, who is, you know, effectively a co-conspirator, will be quiet. All right. Well, that brings us to questions that we have for Melania. Many of you have written in with excellent questions. This is a great question. This is from Pfe. Question for Melania. With your apparent expertise in matter of hair, makeup, and styling, why have you never assisted your husband in these areas? I mean, this is a fantastic question.

Yeah, I mean, this is complicated because you have to understand that actually Donald Trump believes he is the consummate Mr. Stiled. he is, he is, and he would, and I've actually heard this explanation, actually makes this explanation to Stormy Daniels. She's one of the few, but this is a great part in her book in which she, she asks them, they're in bed, and she asks him, you know, so what's with the hair? What's with the hair?

Right. And then he gives an explanation. that, you know, his hair was, he was always very proud of his hair, and then he got older, and he started to do things, have to do things to it, to maintain it. But now, now, rather than seeing this has become ridiculous, he understands it has become a signature. It is, it is Donald Trump, and people identify him with the hair. It is a, and I even think he used, he used, um, He used one of those words. It's a, you know, a brand enhancer, something like that, you know.

Brand enhancer. So he's a, he is, for a guy who looks absurd, he is actually aware of that and has cultivated that and has seen the advantage in that. And didn't Jeffrey Epstein tell you that Donald Trump had had a scalp reduction? Yes, yes, of course. I didn't even know that was a thing. I'd never even heard of it until then. So you reduce the, the bald scalp.

So it has, you know, the exposed surface is... Well, it is smaller. But also Pfei assumes that Melania hasn't helped him with his styling. There are two other possibilities here. One, she has and she likes what he looks like, and she finds the fake town attractive and the confection of hair attractive. Or it could be that she's deliberately. deliberately helped him with this because she thought it made him look ridiculous and that he would

somehow not get elected because he looked so strange. And indeed, as you say, it turned out to be a brand enhancement. Okay, I'm now officially in over my head here. Okay, so another question for Melania, this time from Camille P. Question for Melania. What was it about Donald that you fell in love with. He's energy. He was a man about town, successful businessman. Yeah, I think that's the answer. We got it. Okay. And here's a question from Senior Swifty. Ask Melania, what does Be Best mean? And given his many infidelities, why haven't you divorced Donald Trump? Well, there's, I mean, I think that the answer to that, there is divorce and there is divorce. When you really don't have to live with your husband and you leave a parallel life and he leads a parallel life and everybody is and the

financial arrangements stay the same this is you know rich people don't have to get divorced they have a lot of real estate i live parallel life parallel life okay all right so more questions please for milania uh michael and these questions remember i can't I am answering these questions as best I can, but I will have the opportunity I'm counting on to ask her directly. Yes, so we're compiling you a huge list of questions. Just remind, they're not for me. They are literally for. No, they're for Melania. These are people asking you to ask Melania on their behalf. Under oath.

Under oath. So she will undoubtedly be best under oath. What do you think that means? Be best. Be best. I don't know, but we like be beast, as you know. It just means release your inner beast. You don't need to release your inner beast because your inner beast is already out there.

You have an outer beast. You don't need to worry about your inner beast. But other people need a little encouragement to release their inner beast, and that's all we do at the end of each episode. So we'll be back on Thursday with more. of what it's like inside Trump's head. But how do you think it's feeling today? I think it's feeling sunnier inside Trump's head, don't you?

This was a wholly unexpected. Well, no. You see, I shouldn't say that. I think for everyone around him, it was an unexpected victory. For him, it's just plain to victory. I just wait for the victory. I can wait as long as anyone. and he was right.

They'll fold and then I'll win. And that is what happened. And why the Democrats can't understand how to play this guy, why they don't call me up and at least have a conversation, I really do understand something about this guy because they don't. If you have been, thank you for joining us. Don't forget to subscribe to this podcast. We are independent media,

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