The Daily Beast Podcast - I Know Real Reason Trump Fired Kimberly Guilfoyle

Episode Date: October 14, 2026

Michael Wolff and Joanna Coles dig into Kimberly Guilfoyle’s abrupt exit as ambassador to Greece and the leaked messages that preceded it. Why was she pushed out, and what does she know about the Trump family? Wolff argues that her fall exposes a familiar pattern in Trump’s circle: people using power to chase money, status and the next job. They also discuss new White House press secretary Katie Zacharia and why Wolff thinks Trump picked her to be the face of his administration. As the midterms approach, they consider what happens if Trump loses control of Congress but refuses to see it as a defeat. They weigh Elon Musk’s enormous spending on Republican races and what he might expect in return. Then Wolff offers his theory of Trump’s renewed interest in Vladimir Putin, from the deal over Russian diesel to the wealth and influence he believes Trump wants after the White House. #ad https://quo.com/beast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Kimberly Guilfoyle is a reflection of so much that goes on in Trump world. Donald Trump sets the model for this. It's gimme, gimme, gimme. We can't believe we've gotten into this position where we can effectively extort money from everybody. Why are we hanging Kimberly? She's low-hanging fruit. One of the answers is that she's low-hanging fruit. And the other answer is that they can't stand it.

I mean, the Trump's can't stand her. I think they've been asking this question for a long time. How do we get rid of her? How did Don Jr. ever end up with her? This has been a desperate, her clime, a desperate, indefatigable, just clawing up. Relentless. Yes. Michael.

Joanna. We are back in the studio. Thank goodness. Back from your travels. How was London? This is Inside Trump's head by the. way, if you haven't joined us before, we go thrice weekly into the president's head to find out what's going on there. What is going on there? Jesus. It becomes, it's, the question is,

is he, is this a moment of panic? Is he really facing the first stages of facing the end? So the midterms are coming. It's going to be a disaster for him. What does that, how does that affect him? And I'm not sure because he doesn't, he is not affected by the things that other people are affected by, like defeat, because he's never defeated. And so therefore, this whole idea of what he's going to do to avoid defeat is kind of off, and we should talk about this, because it's off target. It's off topic for him anyway, because he can't. Yeah, exactly. And he is, because he's never defeated, even if he is defeated, therefore he doesn't really have

to necessarily compensate or prevent his defeat, really, which is, and if you look at what he's doing, it certainly seems that he's not trying to win. Well, if you look at, you know, Look at his rallies. There are lots of empty seats. We do not want empty seats at our live performance. At our rally. At our rally next Tuesday in L.A. at the Terragram Ballroom, October the 20th. Please book your ticket if you haven't already got it.

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So today we've got, well, we've got big news today, big news that was announced. What an exciting first press conference for K2Z. Zachariah, the new White House press secretary. We've got Trump's insane diesel moratorium, whatever he's doing with Russia and Ukraine. Who knows? They don't know. Nobody knows. The question always at the center of Trump's political career. What is he doing with Russia? Right. Right. We've got Elon financing the Republican Party, incredible amounts of money. It's also very bizarre, isn't it? I feel like the way we're, we describe Elon Musk as the richest man in the world.

It's like a sort of fairy tale. It's like one of those children's books. When you open the thing and you go, the richest man in the world left his house for a walk in his garden or whatever. It's like, how do we know he's the richest man in the world? I thought Putin was supposed to be the richest man in the world. And this sort of moniker that's stuck to him. Anyway, we're going to be talking about. I mean, I think in fairness, he is even richer than Putin might well be.

I mean, he really, this really is rich. He's very, very rich. He's very, very rich. I mean, and that's why we're talking about. We're talking about, you know, he's putting what, $200 and almost $300 million into this campaign. He put $300 million into the 2024 Trump campaign. This is, and I think we should spend some time thinking about this, that a vote for Trump or a vote for the Republican Party is a vote for Elon Musk. That's kind of, in a way, who we're electing.

That's alarming. That's very alarming. And is 15 children or 18 children or 200 children? 22 children. Yeah. Who knows? Oh, and we've also got to talk, I cannot believe we haven't discussed this yet, because you were away. And I want to hear how your trip went.

The live execution that Hegsef has said, are they going to be charging for it? I looked at some comments online on our thread, and it was all about, oh, of course, they're going to charge for it. This is just a money-making thing for the Pentagon. I mean, obviously an ironic comment, but Heg-Seth streaming the execution. Nevertheless, let's come to the execution of Kimberly Guilfoyle, which was Katie Zacharias. first press conference. First of all, let's discuss Katie Zachariah, the new press secretary. Well, let's discuss that your belief that who was that guy who was, you thought was going to be hired. Well, to be fair, you always maintain Trump was going to hire a young woman. She's 41.

That's not young by Trump standards, actually, is it? But I thought possibly Scott Jennings. I have never heard of Katie Zachariah before. As a matter of fact, I didn't answer your, because I I was reading Ari Emanuel's book, which I found riveting. So I overlooked your text about what did I know about Katie Zachariot? But the answer is nothing, absolutely nothing, except that she is the model of what Trump would order up. You know, a younger woman, considerably younger than he is, with long, blonde. long hair loose. Extensions.

Always loose. Right. Always loose. Good point. It's a weird thing. He doesn't like hair pulled back. Why is your hair pulled back? You want to let it go.

You want to just let it out. This is what it really. Well, it's beauty contestant, right? This is what they all do in those pageants that he used to own. And in the modeling agencies that he used to run. It's what Melania has a lot of hair. Yeah, a lot of hair. A lot of hair.

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I don't think he's had a man since Sean Spicer. And as we pointed out in the Daily Beast cheat sheet, which is a brilliant newsletter to start your day, by the way, written by largely Hugh Docherty and sometimes Niccoe Hines, who runs our office in London, they pointed out even Sean Spicer was played by a woman on SNL, played by Melissa McCarthy. Otherwise, they've all been women, his press.

No, that's what he wants. I mean, he's very, very forthright about this. The person who is out front, the person who is on camera, the person who is representing him should be like a woman on Fox. Right, right, right, right. So she is like a woman on Fox, full of conspiracy theories. And they often go. They go to Fox afterwards. Right, which is where Caroline Leavitt has just gone.

Right. Caroline with a K. Right. And the press secretary, the last press secretary from the first administration, whose name is now. Kelly Mechon, many, whatever you pronounce it, went off to Fox. Right. I think there were a lot of young women circling for this job. And Scott Jennings lost all that weight.

What was Katie Zachariah's first piece of news in her vocal fright? Hello. The death of KG. Let's hear it. We have asked Ambassador Guilfoyle to resign. She has been a wonderful asset to the team and we wish her well. We have asked Ambassador Gilfoyle to resign. She's got that vocal fry, cultural cringe goes up at the end of the sentence.

It's a weird way to say this. We've asked not for her resignation. We have asked her to resign. Go on. As though she might have a choice. have a choice. Well, she might be in the legal foil. I think she might just say they asked me to resign. I said no. Listen, the question here is what has she got on the Trumps? What is this? What's her next move? Is it a book? Is it what? Let's just unpack this because the timing and the

drip, drip, drip, drip of the stories about her was kind of fascinating. It felt coordinated, even though they came from different sources. Yeah, no, and I've been trying to figure this out. This has largely come through, a matter of fact, entirely through the Wall Street Journal. Right. So it either means the Wall Street Journal got a hack of some sort. Always possible, of course. When you say a hack, you mean a hack of her text?

Yes. Or it's a hack. leak, but even the leak is, how do you leak someone had to get a hold of her texts? I mean, this is what was leaked are a set of conversations she has had with, well, people she was basically trying to get money from or people who appear to be her boyfriends. So where did this come from? In the journal, in three stories now, I think, gives us no window into that. Well, Eric Dieter's provided them with the texts that he had with Kimberly, where she's like, stop papering this, use signal, you're going to cost me my ambassadorship. We don't know that that he provided them with that.

Yes, he said that. What did he say? He said, this is why I decided to talk. The way I read that was that they confronted him. And then he said, you know, he essentially confirmed. But so the idea that he provided, I don't see what it, what would be his interest in. So the first story was about her friendship with a guy that people assumed because he was so omnipresent that he was, her chief of staff, turns out he's a lobbyist for a Greek energy company. And the suggestion, the suggestion by the journal was that they were in some kind of relationship.

Right, and Donald Trump called him out and said, gosh, he is very good looking carefully. Then the second story is the Eric Dieter story of the Magadona, who she asks to pay off her $100,000 amex bill before she's confirmed as ambassador. And then the third story is about how she was throwing her weight around at Davos, which should include in the first story that she was threatening Greek stability by saying at a dinner table, you know, the American government can bring the Greek government down with a first. flick of my wrist, basically. And then leaks that at Davos, she was behaving like a monster. She fired her security detail for not bringing her ice cubes at four in the morning. She didn't

like the way one turned left when they were driving. So those feel like they're from disgruntled staffers, those latter ones, about her bad behavior at Davos. Yes, okay. But I don't know where the first ones came from. I mean, the first ones to say, I mean, and I don't think the Dieter's thing came from him. I mean, it seems like he's confirmed it. But why would it be in his interest to? Well, because he'd paid a $300,000 and got nothing from it. And he was, he reminded me of that guy from Network. I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore. Well, except for the fact that he sets himself up for an investigation. So I don't see why he would want to come clean on that unless he was forced to come clean on it. Because I think that he refers to

himself as a Kentucky outlaw and he's been, you know, he lost his law license and he said he didn't care. I mean, he's- Everybody cares and he's also trying to get his taxes fixed. So this doesn't come from him. Okay. He was confronted and had to confirm it, but didn't come from him. So where did this, where does this come from? Why did someone...

I think it is. I mean, okay, the background on this, you know, and the background is, of course, Kimberly Guilfoyle was at Fox. She was, to my knowledge, the only woman who has been me-toed for a set of, for harassing her assistant, and then her male assistant, and a set of dick picks, which went widely through the Fox Newsroom. And Fox, interestingly, on their digital channels, didn't cover this story at all about Kimberly. I mean, they'll have to cover the fact she's been asked to resign.

Okay, so then she goes on. She leaves Fox. She wages a campaign to get into the Trump White House. That actually does not succeed, except for the fact that she succeeds as becoming the girlfriend of the president's son. Don Jr. This is during the first administration. Meanwhile, she was briefly involved with Anthony Scaramucci before she got involved with Don Jr. And then we should also just remember she was the wife of Gavin Newsom. I know. It's such a weird. Anyway, it's just an, such an extraordinary story. And it's an extraordinary story of the kind of of, of,

Let's find the words for this, of the rank, if not comical ambition possessed by so many people in the Trump world. Right. Matter of fact, you know, so all of this, all of these revelations about her trying to get money from this person and trying to get money from that person and dismissing this country and that country, the truth is that almost everybody in the Trump. orbit, you could pin similar things on them. So it would be interesting to see all of their emails.

But I think the other thing is that Kimberly Guilfoyle, in a world where everybody hates everybody, the person they hate most is KG. The person they hate most. Why would they hate her the most? I mean, I agree she's a fascinating story, but what she'd done to really, you know. She, the people they hate most are members of the Trump family. Okay. So her tenure as a member of the Trump family, I think, helped engender this, this real animosity to her throughout.

out. There's nobody who has, I was going to say, there's nobody who has a positive word to say about Kimberly Guilford. But it's worse than that. It's worse than that. Everybody has the most terrible things to say about her. There was a very interesting exchange between her and Eric Dieter's, the Maga Dona, who she demanded 100K off, where she's talking about Bettina Anderson, Don Jr's new now wife. And there appeared to be an overlap there. And she's, furious. Kimberly is furious about it, as you would be. And, you know, does a whole... The old overlap. The old overlap. And there's a whole thing about how she says Bettina's been sending pictures of herself and bikinis to the Daily Mail. It's real tabloid stuff. So what does she do now? Does she

resign? And... Well, this is the... I mean... She has to resign, right? Well, she has to resign, but what does she do now? I mean, and remember, she was cast out. Well, she was cast there to keep her out of the way. Yeah, I mean, she was, you know, I mean, she's already faced many chapters of ignominy. Right. Cast out of Fox, cast out of the Trump family, cast out of America, basically. So, you know, I guess she keeps going.

Well, she has the money from the house that she bought with Donne. junior in Florida. So, and I think that was about six or seven million dollars. So she has a small. Ten million dollars. She got ten million dollars. Well, no. The house for ten million.

They sold it for sixteen. I think she got around seven. She has a perfectly substantial by any normal person's accumulation nest egg to survive here. She can't complain. She doesn't have any money because she has money from the house. Well, she has been complaining that. That's why she wanted the guy to pay her $100,000 amex. I know.

but that was because they hadn't yet sold that Florida house. Now she's got the money from Don Jr., from the joint sale of the house, or he bought her out of the house. But I wonder what she's going to do now. Does she stay? Is she suddenly less appealing to the lobbyist from the Greek energy company because she can't deliver in quite the same way? I would say much less appealing.

Much less appealing. So what does she do it? We don't know. But she will do something. She's not going to slink away. So how much does she have? on the Trump family? What does she know? We don't know that.

We don't know. So the question properly asks is, do you think she has a lot on the Trump family? Answer, yes. And there was a moment, actually, in the early stages of her relationship with Don Jr. when she went around saying that Trump had made a pass at her. Okay, well, that's useful. Yes. That's useful.

So what are they going to do with her? We want to know. We want your suggestions, actually. What would you do with Kimberly Gill for? What would you ask her to do? How old is she? 57, 58, I think. Also a lot of hair.

She could chop her hair off and sell it for extensions to someone else. Possibly the new press secretary. That would be weird. If the new press secretary ended up with Kimberly's hair in her own hair, blonde, obviously. Does the new press secretary have hair extensions? Of course she has hair extensions. Yes, she's got four children.

And given that Carolyn Levitt decided to spend more time with her family after having a second child, and she's got a slightly older husband, I think he'd probably send enough already. This new one has decided to spend less time with her family. No, she's bringing her family to Washington with her. But I think she is the inevitable result if you become the press secretary. four children at all. Let's be clear. So there are only three questions she took at the press conference. One from Brightbot News, one from Fox News, and one from the Daily Mail. Let's hear one of the questions to her. The idea of not spending evenings with my kids is completely unacceptable. So my president,

or excuse me, my husband, that's a good one. My husband is out here. My president, my husband, my president, my husband. You know who's going to win? I always think it's an interesting one when the phone goes, or if the phone goes twice and it's your president or your husband, which phone call do you pick up? I think she's going to be picking up the president's call. I would say we would, everyone would pick up the president's school. Except not you, because you don't like it when he calls. When he used to call you, you would say the whole house ground to a hole because you were like, oh, here he goes again.

and he would just keep on talking. Yeah, I mean, after a number of times this, and then it's, it just, you know, you just can't, you cannot get him off the phone. Does he leave a voice? But I would start doing it, putting him on the speaker, so everybody in the house would be like riveted. Yeah, which is great.

So that when Louise, your daughter grows up, she'll be able to write, you know, my memory of my childhood in the Hamptons was growing up with Donald Trump's voice echoing around our wooden drawing room. All right. So she looked nervous. She's got a domestic, you know, she's got a lot going on because she's got to move four

children, which is a lot from California to Washington. I'm sure she'll have some help. And she's got to deal with Trump, who is in his, well, he's in a crazy stage. Well, I mean, in her defense, everybody would look nervous on the first day out in front of this. And really, she has no preparation for this. I mean, she comes out of nowhere. This is like, you know, as though a set of pictures were displayed in front of him, which I'm sure is the case.

And he said, let's pick this one. Looks. I like the way this one looks. And then suddenly she's shoved out in front of the Washington Press Corps, which is not a comfortable place to be. Of course she's going to be nervous. Of course she has to relocate her. her family. This is a big job. This is this is a career-making job if you don't blow it. She can go to Fox. She used to be on OAN, America's own network, America One network,

which is even further right, the newsmax. No one has really been on OAN. Okay. I'm just saying that she... It doesn't really exist. It's just a rumor of being on television, as was Natalie Harp on OAN. That's right. I wonder how Natalie Hart feels about Katie Zakaria, Zachariah? Well, she feels whatever Donald Trump feels. Oh, excited. Yeah, I mean, like this is, I mean, I, she's not threatened by this if that's what you're saying, because this is not a real job. This is not a power job in the Trump administration.

Right, but it can take you on to Fox News. It can take you on to Fox News. Okay, and she's joining him at a time when Trump is even more unstable than normal. Because he's losing. Well, we don't. I mean, that's, again, he doesn't see losing the way other people see losing. All politicians see all politicians other than Donald Trump, acknowledge that they live in a world of winning and losing, and you will lose.

There's just no political career in which you do not lose. Donald Trump doesn't see it like that. There is no political career in which he sees himself or is able to see himself as having lost. Witness, of course, 2020 when he did lose, but never acknowledged, never admitted, never understood that he had actually lost. So we'll go into the midterms, and that's one of the issues. How will this play? This is going to be a substantial, loss for him, how does he play that? Does he blame everybody else? Well, of course he blames.

Of course he blames everyone else. And of course he doesn't accept it as his loss. But then he has to deal with a House of Representatives that he has no control over and more and more likely a Senate that he has no control over. So how does he deal with this, having lost a significant amount of his own power? How is he dealing with Elon Musk? Do you think he's calling Elon and saying, I need you to put more money here, there and everywhere? Or is Elon just deciding this, or Elon's people just deciding it?

I mean, he's given $278 million, $158 million to the Senate Leadership Fund, which is just to give some perspective on that, it's more than the Democrats have raised all together in one quarter. That's just one check from Elon. It's extraordinary. And I don't think the American political system has yet absorbed this kind of development. I mean, what happens when someone is rich enough to, I was going to say by the election, but it's even, in a sense, it's greater than that. It's enough money that everybody in the Republican Party becomes beholden to Elon,

granting him enormous power. Now, remember, he did this once before. We've seen this play out. In 2024, he put. put close to $300 million, a similar sum, into Pennsylvania. And partly because of that, perhaps more than pardon, primarily because of that, he was given a seat, probably the most powerful seat in government ever given to a civilian. So we're not part of government.

This was Doge. Yes. Right. And, you know, that lasted for three months. Yeah, three or four months. And then it was a complete breakdown. Well, then he accused Trump of being in the Epstein file. Well, he accused them of, yes, of everything.

They completely broke down. That was a meltdown one afternoon, a complete meltdown. But not before he'd dismantled US AID. Yeah. No, I mean, had phenomenal power for that. period of time. So effectively, he's buying himself. I mean, let's assume Elon is not doing this for free. And of course, there are other benefits. He gets, I mean, his business, there's significant parts of his business, his trillion dollar business, or briefly trillion dollar business,

was on the basis of government contracts. So that's there. That's a give. But he also wants things for himself. What can you do for Elon? What can what does Elon personally demand? Babies. What if they just, and everybody has to have a baby? In addition to Bill and Musk. It's like one of those biblical stories where everybody has a baby and has to give it to the king.

But I think it's also, you know, he wants there's some, there's a sense in which he doesn't have a broad vision here. He doesn't. He isn't playing the long game. He's playing a game. I want it now. Give me, give me attention, give me press, give me importance second only, modestly second only to Trump himself. Right. So this is what happens. So, I mean, well, I'm going to, I'm going to parse this a little more here because because Trump won after. in 2024, and then Elon came into the government. So what happens now when he puts all of this money into these races and there isn't a victory? I don't know. Trump may blame Elon. Oh, that would be interesting because it's possible that...

He gave us too much money. He gave us too much money. He gave us too much money. Right. Because it's facilitated 6.5 million doors knocked on. apparently by his America pack. Do you remember when he left, when he had the big fight with Trump and he was going to set up his own party? Then he set up a pack, the America pack. And then of course Trump's got his own super pack. It's a lot of money. It's a lot of money. It's actually true. What happened to Elon's party? It just faded away because I'm sure he couldn't be bothered to do it or Trump persuaded him otherwise. But it's become the America pack because it was going to be the America party. Now Tucker has his own party. So we've got Elon had a party called the America Party, which seems to have disappeared, but he has a big pack, which has facilitated 6.5 million doors being knocked on. And their goal is to get people, not moderates, but Republicans or sort of people that don't really vote. I think what Donald Trump would call the uneducated. I love the uneducated. They're technically called low propensity voters. Thank you. Low propensity voters. That sounds much better, doesn't it, than it.

uneducated. LPVs. LPVs. You've got the terminology down. All right. LPVs. So, 76 million he's put in to get out the Republican vote in seven battleground states. So it is possible that his money could push those very tight Senate races towards the Republicans. The post analysis of this, of the midterms will involve what is the effect of the Republicans extra electoral efforts. That includes the redistricting to gerrymandering in several key states.

It includes, well, it includes the Trump threats of impounding votes that they think are dubious. It involves sending government agents, ICE agents, to polling station, all of these kinds of things. And then on top of that, Elon's money. And it actually isn't just Elon's money. I mean, even without Elon's money, the Republicans have vastly more financial resources than the Democrats. Well, and he's also brought X to the table, right? X, his social media platform, formerly known as Twitter, which was a real factor in the UK election. I mean, there's been all sorts of efforts in the UK to try and ban X or figure out how to deal with

Elon. He's deeply unpopular there. I don't know why the Democrats haven't been using Elon Moore as a weapon in this election because he's, you know, incredibly unpopular. Good question. And I don't, because they're Democrats. Because they're Democrats. I'm using your line. I'm taking your line. It's a good one. So, and how do you think people feel about this live streaming of the execution? This is Pete Hegseth's idea. He said this on a podcast. I wonder if, like Trump, it just fell out of his mouth. Without any way or thinking. I'm going to go, this is not going to happen. This is just, you know, this is just more, this is just the Trump baloney thing. This is, this is, this is grabbed the news cycle. What's the news cycle for a day?

and we'll take a live execution and then we'll and then we'll figure out how not to exit, how not to live stream this tomorrow. But there seemed to be a genuine outcry. I mean, I don't understand what base this would play with. It doesn't make any difference. It is, let's go back to the fundamentals here. Good press, bad press doesn't matter. It's just all presses attention for the Hexer.

The Trump political formula is that attention is zero sum. If he gets it, others don't. So we've had this live execution dominated the news for how many days. Not a day and a half. But of course it would. It's totally astounding. It's completely makes everybody rethink everything they have ever thought about life in the United States of America.

But then it will go away. So that's what you do to get a day of news or two days of news, three days of news. And then they'll think then something else goes on. You just do a deal with Russia. Okay, so let's talk about the deal with Russia, deal with Russia that Trump has done for Russian diesel to bring down the cost of diesel here, which has gone up because of his war in Iran. And the fact that not enough oil is getting out of the strait of Hormuz, despite the fact

he claims we control it, but we actually don't. Let me give a theory here that this is what, from the beginning of his political career, what he has wanted to do is develop a close relationship with Vladimir Putin. I think Putin provides a model of the kind of politics or the kind of authoritarianism that he understands. If I want it, I should get it. If I say it should be true. And also a model of the oligarchy that he imagines. I should be able to make money out of this.

You become the president in the United States. You should be paid for it, handsomely, which he has been, but even more handsomely. He's been frustrated in this relationship by, first, the Russian investigation in the first administration and in the second administration by Ukraine. And remember, he was going to solve the Ukraine war overnight. I'm going to, you know, one day in the presidency, no, you know, I bring peace to Ukraine, and then I can get on with my ambitions to be Vladimir Putin's friend. Okay, that didn't, that, that, that, he was frustrated in that by the fact that the Ukrainians

proceeded to, um, um, to fight a successful, you know, quite a successful war against, against the Russians. Now, coming to, coming up to the midterms, coming up to the moment when he doesn't have a, he won't have an election to worry about, I mean, even to the extent, and he doesn't really worry about elections, but at some extent he does. And remember, you know, the Republicans, the Republicans are very queasy about, about cozying up to Putin, or at least many of the many of the traditional Republicans, Lindsay Graham rolling in his grave right now. But he doesn't have to look toward an election anymore. He doesn't even have to look to, likely he doesn't even have to look toward keeping the Republicans in the House or

the Senate happy because they're not going to have any power. Likely, what he is looking toward is now two years to make this relationship with Putin to bring it home. And this is the first stage of it. And he's going to go, he's going to leave the White House, return to Mar-a-Lago, and the oligarchy is, I think, is going to be very important to him. That's what's going to fund this alternative White House that I believe he's going to set up in Mar-a-Lago. And is he also trying to build up resources to fight what will be inevitable court cases against him, against his family, against, you know, all the investigations that seem inevitable. Yeah, I don't think it's a very big issue with him. I mean, I think first thing, he has

already bajillions of dollars and and billions more where that came from. So you said when you talked to in 2016 and you said, why are you doing this? He said, I want to be the most famous person in the world. Does he now, if you've already become the most famous person in the world, is the next goal, the richest person in the world. Right. So that's his next goal. Yeah. Yeah. And that is very much, very much connected with this, with this Putin thing. I mean, there's a lot, been a lot of speculation. What does Putin have on Donald Trump? And God knows, yes, it could be something. I think we've discussed, Steve Bannon, always thought he had his college transcripts. Right, which would be, well, and you said when we discussed the things that Trump is most afraid of being thought of as stupid, it's amazing that those things haven't leaked, if they still exist. But I do think, I think it is more than Putin having anything on him is that Putin provides this model for what he thinks government should be. And also this access to the world's unbanked fortunes, really. I mean, there is money out there he knows and Putin has access to it. Right. And he wants access to it. He just wants to be much, much, much, much richer.

Exactly. The most important part here is that this is at the expense of Ukraine. Right. So he was out there, you know, he's been forced and you can see how resistant he is to having to say good things about Zelensky and Ukraine. How grudging has always been. And now he is back to where he began. I mean, he has always been, you know, that Zelensky guy and get him out of here. Yeah, this weekend. He's going to lose.

He has no hand to play. And then he's been forced because Ukraine has been so successful in waging war against the Russians. But now he's gone, we're waving that away once again, and Zelensky is the enemy. Right. So just coming back to Kimberly Guilfoyle in a way. Let's keep coming back to Kimberly Guilfoil forevermore. It's such an irresistible arc of a story right now. But in a sense, given what Trump is doing, what Kimberly Guilfoyle is doing just seems like a shadow of what he's doing.

Why didn't they think, oh, they'll pass? This is a new story. It's a couple more days and then we'll just leave her there. Good question. I mean, but I think there are two points here that Kimberly Guilfoyle is a reflection of so much that goes on in Trump world. And she is. I mean, Donald Trump sets the model for this. It's gimme, gimme, gimme, gimme, across the board.

We're using this position. We can't believe we've gotten into this position where we can effectively extort money from everybody. You have to give me money. You know, and the Elon thing is kind of, I think this works for Elon, but Elon is also being extorted here. So why don't this? So the question, why are we hanging? Why are we hanging Kimberly? She's low-hanging fruit.

Why don't they just say, oh, Kimberly's a character. People love her. She's been very effective for us in Greece. I mean, that's one of the answers there is that she's low-hanging fruit. And the other answer is that they can't stand her. I mean, the Trump's can't stand her. I mean, she's a, I think they've been asking this question for a long time. How do we get rid of her?

How did Don Jr. ever end up with her? This is like we can, they can't even. And, you know, everyone is holding their nose. Don Jr., whose wedding was paid for by a Russian oligarch. And Donald Trump says he said to him, you have to pay it back. He claims he's paid it back. If anybody's got a copy of the check, we'd love to see it. But poor KG.

Poor KG. I feel a little bad for her, actually. I mean, this has been a desperate, her climb, a desperate, indefatigable, just clawing up. Relentless. Relentless. And then that line, you're going to cost me my ambassadorship. I mean, just think of how preposter it is that she became an ambassador. Not really under this regime. Well, actually, nobody has become an ambassador under this regime. Right. There's 105 ambassadorships still to go. And then, of course, there's Jared Kushner's dad,

Charles Kushner who's swinging his legs from the ambassadorial seat in Paris. I wonder if they'll find her another job. They might do to keep her. Yeah. They might do. Because they gave Christy Knoem, who was a problem, a new job, didn't they? Part of the, what was it called, the American Shield or some bogus thing that they did. And Kimberly looks like Christy Knoem.

That might trigger Trump and he might think, oh, we have to do what we did for Christy for her. No, on top of everything else, in terms of having an advisor, a close mail advisor. Her cloying up the Trump Greasy poll has also involved having her face entirely remade. Right. And they both had very close male advisors that they traveled everywhere with. Final question. There was a column in the New York Times by Jemel Bowie. Trump is begging to be impeached. Did you read it? I did read it. Do I remember it? Not exactly. He was begging to be, it was really the headline was, I think, as I recall, a little misleading. It was like he's begging to be impeached. I don't know. You tell me, which it was. The theme of it was should the Democrats impeach Trump if they're in the House slash Senate?

Should they go after Trump with investigatory zeal or should they just get on with trying to deliver for the people? And it's that how, how. Oh, right. And they said, so his, he's a big liberal. So his conclusion was, yes, they should impeach. Yeah, he should be impeached for a third time. First time was Ukraine. Second time was January the sixth.

And all I have to say is, and how did that work out for you, Democrats? Fair. All right, we've got two limericks. We've got two limericks, one from Garfried, our regular limerist. At the state of the force, Pete perspired for the next White House chair he aspired. While the armour is thinned and the midterms rolled in, and each fire Pete cry made him more hired. A bit of scanning going on in there. last line there, Garfried. But good. That was a good one. And then Edits, who's rapidly

encroaching on Garfried's territory as our Limic Laureate, a presidency racing right through the red zone and heading straight into the dead zone. Now, he's building an arc, and if I may be so dark, it may one day make a most excellent headstone. Very good, edits. Michael, we'll be back on Thursday, inside Trump's head again. I wonder what's going on in Kimberly's head. Well, we may find out. Do you think this does play badly for Gavin Newsom? I have no idea how Gavin Newsom explains, explains having been married to Kimberly Guilfoyle, unless he says, well, I actually once had a friend who said that none of us should be held responsible for our mates. Maybe that's what he should say.

I don't know. But how, I mean, again, this novelistic, I mean, a novel isn't enough to contain someone like Kimberley, but the irony is if, as is rumored, the reason she left Gavin Newsom, I think he says this, doesn't he, was that he seemed too small, his ambitions too small for her. Were he to become president that Kimberly bet on the wrong horse? Yeah, no, there could be a lot of ironies here. Maybe you'll hire her as an ambassador. The idea of this character, having stripped everything out of her life except ambition itself,

which is obviously novelistic. I don't think she's stripped everything out of her life. She's got a very close lobbyist friend. No, but even those, all her romantic relationships are about her ambition. There is nothing. I mean, I, you know, maybe she has an interior life of, of great depth and wealth. Softness and grace. And, but we don't know.

What we see is a life devoid of everything except the need to get the next thing. Go up the ladder to just to kill to. Well, Katie Zachariah said, we have asked Ambassador Guilfoyle to resign. Michael, joy to have you back in the studio. Joy to have you back on American soil. Do you like my new notebooks, by the way? I picked these up in my favorite bookshop in, where is it, Summerland, called Godmothers. It's a very good bookshop.

I like this one, mostly just whining. And this one, business bullshit. You have novelty notebooks. They're not novelty notebooks. inside they're just, but I like the fun of them. An actual notebook does not have a saying on the front of it. Is that true? But they're kind of like your t-shirts. Yeah, they just add, add something to my day. So we actually have one of our production team told me, this was an interesting story and I don't know why he held this back for so long John Romero I'm talking about, that he actually met Donald

Trump, that he was part of a team that filmed Donald Trump. Donald Trump didn't look at him apparently throughout the whole thing, because John felt that he was too, well, wasn't important enough. So Trump forned over the lead producer. John was in the background of the team. But at the end, Trump very generously, sent them down to Trump shop and said that he could pick out a tie. And this is the tie that he picked out.

Jesus, that's horrifying. Can we show it close up, actually? Look, we've got here, Donald J. Trump. signature collection, the signature collection, which I guess is this kind of crazy signature. Anyway, actually, I thought it, I didn't think it was that bad. Really? Yeah, I thought it was okay. Terrible.

You thought it was terrible? You think it's terrible? No, Jesus. It's very, very long. How long would it be if you put this on? Can you just, it's very, very long? It would be really, really long. I think it would be quite long, wouldn't it?

I could, well, not with a big old winds or not. Oh, the big old Wins are not. Anyway, John, thank you for bringing that in for us. I think we should add this to the paraphernalia we have in the studio. Okay. A Trump tie, genuine Donald Trump tie from his signature collection. Yeah, we don't know where this was made. If anyone knows where Donald Trump made his signature collection,

it could be like his Joss Bank. Is it pronounced Joss Bank? Joseph A Bank. Oh, Joseph A Bank. I didn't understand that. Yes. I thought he was wearing Zenia suits and then it turns out he's wearing a cheap soup. Joseph, I mean, that's a cheap suit.

Yeah, made in China too. Made in China. If you have been, thank you for joining us. Don't forget to buy your tickets for Michael and I live next Tuesday in L.A., October the 20th at the Teragram Ballroom, which is downtown L.A. We've got some tickets left, but they are going fast and don't leave us with empty seats. We do not want to look like a Trump rally. And a big thank you to our team.

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