The Daily Beast Podcast - I Know Why Trump's Presidency Is Doomed: Wolff

Episode Date: March 18, 2026

To get an exclusive 60% off an annual Incogni plan, go to https://incogni.com/beast Michael Wolff joins Joanna Coles just as the sudden resignation from a top counterterrorism official over the war in Iran exposes cracks inside Trump’s own coalition. With MAGA figures turning on the conflict even as Trump insists he’s “obliterating” Iran’s military capacity, Wolff explains the blunt logic driving Trump’s thinking: If the generals said obliteration was possible, then the mission must be working—even as oil prices threaten to spike, Iran’s regime appears more entrenched, and the president finds himself trapped in the classic dilemma of a war he can neither win nor easily leave. They also unpack Trump’s bizarre insistence that a former U.S. president privately praised his Iran strategy, the quiet power struggles between Marco Rubio and J.D. Vance, Jared Kushner’s expanding influence over Middle East policy, and why the next phase of Trump’s presidency may look familiar: the search for someone—anyone—to blame. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

I think things are, the wheels are coming off. And even before the war in Iran's started, politically, he was in a very complicated position. Minneapolis, the economy, his own numbers, terrible, sinking. And then the war comes along. We're going to go from a political crisis to a political catastrophe. We're getting to the point because it's the second term in which he's not going to be able to recover. Michael Joanna

Thank goodness you're back even though we spoke relentlessly when you were in London I much prefer it when you are this side of the Atlantic And why do you think that is? I've no idea actually It makes no difference in these things

Yeah it's totally an illusion I just prefer it And ever since I am I am back on this side of the Atlantic And I'm not happy about it But here I am Okay, well, you know what? I think viewers and listeners are going to be reassured to see your familiar stack of books behind you and Michael back behind his desk and all is well with the world. Or is it because as we as we sit here 15 minutes ago, a top U.S. counterterrorism official has just resigned over his concerns with the ongoing war in Iran.

Joe Kent says he cannot in good conscience support the ongoing war. Iran posed no imminent threat to our nation. He said in his resignation letter addressed to President Trump. And it's clear that we started this war due to pressure from Israel and its powerful American lobby. Thoughts. Have you come across Joe Kent? No, I've never heard of Joe Kent. But I believe that he works for directly,

reports to Tulsi Gabbard. And I would interpret this as the right-wing MAGA coalition further coming apart. I mean, I think what the message that he's sending there is the right-wing, fundamentally anti-Semitic Israel, is calling all the shots message. Right. And I think that's a very real point of view on the far MAGA right. I think it's probably Tulsi Gabbard's point of view, actually. Certainly it's Tucker Carlson's point of view. It is the, it is the point of view that I think may prove to be extremely dangerous to the president. Okay, well, you're right. He goes on and says He supported the foreign policies Trump campaigned on over the last three presidential cycles. I'm just quoting from the Wall Street Journal here, which just dropped.

But the president has veered away from his goals of avoiding never-ending wars. Is this a never-ending war? What do we think? What does Trump think? What's going on inside Trump's head? Interestingly, the White House haven't responded to this yet. Neither has Tulsi Gabbard. But if you're inside Trump's head where we try to.

to go three times a week. What electricity is happening in there? I think Trump is pissed about this. He feels that he is delivering what he promised, which is to obliterate Iran's capacities, military capacity. And he is probably getting fairly close to doing that. So I think inside his head, it's like I'm bombing. I'm bombing. I'm blowing up.

I'm obliterating. What more do you want from me? I shouldn't be laughing. I love the idea that he's sitting there going, I'm obliterating. I thought he'd done that last summer though. The whole point was he's supposed to have done the obliteration. We're now double obliterating. Pay no attention to that. It's in each context, it's the word obliterate. Right. He loves saying it. He loves saying it. It's a big word for him.

Just remember, always remember, constantly remembers. Trump is a simple machine. And so he went into this saying, do we have the military capacity to obliterate this regime and their military capacity. And the response was, yes. Actually, the response was probably yes, but, but he doesn't, again, the simple machine, yes. So we do. Yes, and he'll focus on that. And that's what we have done. And that's what he has done. And that's what you can argue, and he is arguing, is succeeding. The problem, of course, is the butt. Right.

Oil is going to go up to probably has no ceiling to what it's going to go up to. We can obliterate all of this military capacity, but that does not mean we are going to be able to obliterate the regime. We can kill the top level of the regime and maybe the next level. But the regime itself is so embedded after what are we up to 50 years that it is not going away, that the only way we would be able to get rid of the regime is with soldiers, probably. But anyway, but that's on the other side. That's on the side of the butt. He got to the yes.

Can we obliterate? So now he's pissed. We're obliterating. What do you want me to do? We're obliterating. We'll continue to obliterate more. And so that's where he's at now. We have obliterated everything, but we'll continue to obliterate more.

And that will get him out of this. He is trusting, hoping. Well, there's also the strange remarks that he made that he wasn't expecting. the Iranians to bomb any of the Gulf states. Well, that was on the side of the butt. Right, but. And he didn't listen. Of course he didn't.

I don't know. It's strong strange. How could I know? But it was so strange that he would admit out loud that he didn't realize they might do that. And he wasn't expecting it. I mean, you know, I know that war plans change the minute you go to war, but obviously there was no plan. He seems completely blindsided by the fact that Iran would have any kind of response. I mean, he said we weren't expecting that.

We weren't expecting them to bomb the Gulf states. Well, there's a couple of points here. First thing, you know, we do the, this is inside Trump's head because we don't believe that people, that most other people covering Donald Trump are looking at this from the proper perspective, which is from inside his head because everything comes from there. He has no real outside advisors. It's just what comes into his head and acting on it. And it's odd that most people don't look at Trump from that point of view because it is easy to know what's going on inside his head because he tells you.

Right. Right. It is not. You know, and it is part of his, uh, shall we say charm, that he is a transparent person. Yes.

Oh my God. We didn't expect them to fire back. We were going. We were going. How could we're obliterating them? How can they fire back when we're obliterating them? I mean, even with the,

the, um, I mean, it's so ludicrous. closing the straight of whole moves. For, I mean, essentially creating a blockade in which the world's oil cannot pass. I mean, he was actually told that that could happen. But his response was it won't happen because we're going to obliterate them first.

So they'll never get to that because they will be obliterated. So in some sense, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, hooked himself to this word. It's all about obliteration. This is, we're obliterate, and he's going back to the generals. We're obliterating them, aren't we? And they're say, yes, we're obliterating them. It's just insane.

You have two, you know, you have conflicting screens here. You have the obliteration screen. Right. And then the life goes on even with obliteration screen, which is what, he has been unable to comprehend. There's a real problem most of us have to reckon with personal data, like your home address phone number, possibly even your social security number, are online right now being bought and sold by data brokers looking to make a buck.

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you've done. I wish I'd been able to do it. So then, of course, at the press conference, he's immediately asked, well, which president was it? Was it George W. Bush? No. Was it Bill Clinton? I don't want to say. I don't want to say because a member of a party a member of a party

they have trumped arrangements syndrome all but it's somebody that happens to like me and I like that person who's a smart person but that person said I wish I did it

I remember there are only four right right are the four are the four are there only there are four there's Bill Clinton George W there's Barack Obama. I think that's only three isn't it? Is there another one? Are we missing one?

Jimmy Carter just died. George H. Bush has died. So I think there's only three left. Are we missing? Oh, Biden, Joe Biden. Oh, my God. Oh, sorry. Sorry for Biden supporters. Sorry about that.

But so then, of course, the press immediately start quizzing him about who it is. And they go, is it Bill Clinton? And he goes, I can't say. I can't say. And now, of course, all the ex-presidents have come out and said that none of them have talked to him about this. None of them have said this. So he's just in his own world.

He would like a president to have said this to him. We should contemplate that for a moment. I mean, he can, you know, there's that old thing. And it's a joke within his circle about the friend who went to France once. Right. And that was like, okay, yes, everybody knows that's made up, but there are a lot of people who he might have known who might have gone to France. Right. Right. We have the same operation here, but there are only the universe is very small. Right. And the fact that he would tell this absolute untruth, no relationship to reality is, well, I mean, mean, you would think that he would truly be hung for this.

Well, and also what was so funny was watching all the media pile in on him. Was it Barack Obama? Was it Clinton? Was it Joe Biden? And Trump just completely, you know, flailing, absolutely flailing and just saying, I can't say, but he said that he wished he'd done what I'd done. I mean, it's just, it's nonsensical. But you could go, you can go back into Trump's mind and quite easily figure out

how he got to this to this point. The Iranians' leadership are bad. They should be, it would be great for everyone, and everyone would have wanted to get them out of there if they could. So therefore, they would have obliterated them if they had the guts to do the obliteration. But they didn't, but he does. therefore this they would have done exactly they would have done if they were man enough exactly

right what he has done right right and of course it worked in Venezuela you know in a way that absolutely confirms um that he is what he is saying and that he is telling the obvious truth and perhaps when he goes into his white house bedroom and he closes the door and he snuggled up with his burger dripping with juices in bed. In his mind, he is talking to the full presidents. I mean, you could imagine it's a very good script for a TV show where the current president talks to previous presidents and tries to channel them. I'm surprised he hasn't brought, you know, said that he in fact talked to George Washington about it. And George Washington said, I wish I had thought of bombing Iran, which I thought of obliterating them. I can really see this, see this,

how he got there. This whole idea of, obviously the Iranians are bad guys. Obviously, in an ideal world, we would get rid of them. Obviously, anyone would like to be the president who has gotten rid of them. So therefore, they must have wanted to, and they must see what I'm doing. and say, I wish I had done that. Right. Totally. You can see how he made it up, but the four of them immediately said none of them had talked to him. I was just going to try to sum up his predicament at this point in time, which is he can't stay in Iran because oil is going crazy, because his base is going crazy, because only worse things are going to happen from here. But at the same time, he can't get out. I mean, this is the classic problem of starting wars.

So he can't get out because because nothing fundamental, the fundamental goals that he has outlined, even the conflicting goals, none of them have been met. So the regime is not only going to stay in place, but it has, by all reports, become more oppressive and more draconian is going to kill more protesters if they actually come into the streets to protest, which they are afraid of doing at this point. Plus, their nuclear capabilities have apparently not really at all been disrupted. So they will go back, this regime, no matter how much they have been obliterated, are still in a position to continue on in every way that was meant to have been obliterated.

So he's just created a monstrous political problem for himself, that if he leaves, if the war ends now, the Democrats will spend all of the, all of the, the, all of the, of the remaining time up until the midterms, saying he accomplished nothing. He's an incompetent. He started a war and for what? He started a war and has made only things worse than they were. So what does he do? He can't stay because those problems will increase almost on a geometric basis. oil could go, it could literally go to $200 a barrel. It will provoke not only in inflation, of course, but a recession at the same time. A disaster, disaster.

He will lose the Senate on the basis of this. And he, but he can't get out because he's managed to accomplish nothing much except obliteration. So is there panic inside Trump's head? Does Trump actually panic? No, he doesn't. He doesn't, well, sometimes he gets angry. You know, he starts to blame people and we should we should talk about that because that is the that is the next step. But he doesn't panic per se and and he, from his point of view, he is always right. I mean, panic comes because you realize, oh, my God, I might not be right. I might have done something wrong. That never occurs to him. He is doing what he is, what he has set out to do, obliterate. And why other people can't appreciate that is another matter altogether.

So, Michael, if you're inside Trump's head, where does Marco Rubio fit right now? Is Marco Rubio panicking? Because he must see this more clearly than Donald Trump, that they underestimated, as is always the case, the Iranians' response. Well, you know, Marco Rubio is a pretty classic neocon. So actually, in the world, Marco Rubio as, I mean, Donald Trump is playing the Marco Rubio part. And I think probably because Marco Rubio has convinced him to play that part, he is not playing the J.D. Vance part. This is Marco Rubio is an obliterator. Let's go in. Let's bomb them and use all our military might to get rid of the bad guys. But if Marco Rubio is playing the long game here and thinking that Trump's going to be toast after the midterms, and then that's when I muscle into hopefully.

reach for the brass ring myself. This is bad for him, isn't it? I mean, how does Marco Rubio think they're going to get out of this? Not necessarily. I mean, again, Marco Rubio is a classic down the middle, neocon. I know, I get that. But just because he's a neocon doesn't mean that the war is going to end up any better than it did for the neocons who went into Iraq. Yeah, but they don't think that. The neocons are never in a position and have never got to the point saying, oh, my God, we were wrong. Oh, my God. That was a big mistake to be a neocon. Oh, my God.

You don't think the neocons realized that Iraq was a mistake? No, of course not. Nobody ever realizes. I mean, Donald Trump certainly doesn't realize he's wrong, but most everyone else, they don't realize they're wrong either. So, and from Marco Rubio's point of view, the world becomes. an infinitely better, more promising, more manageable place without the mullahs. If we take Iran out of the power matrix, that leaves. But as you've just said, it appears at least now, and goodness knows,

we're only three weeks into this, so we don't want to rush to judgment. But it appears that the regime has only been hardened. We don't know who's in charge. But it, you know, certainly there's nobody out protesting. They're all terrifying. There's, you know, the Revolutionary Guard is around like ice, masked at night, riding around on motorbikes, you know, threatening to shoot anybody that's out. And Trump has said to stay in your homes until we finish bombing. So why would Marco Ruby? I understand they think. I got it. I got it. Which, and, and you're, I mean, the problem is you're trying to impose a logic that seems absolutely clear to us and to many, many, many people on other people who don't see that at all. How could they have gone on the same people,

including supported by Marco Rubio, go on to fight a war in Iraq for how many years? Too many years and leading to... It doesn't make... These, so, so we're just at a contradiction. We're at a contradiction in, on the right, we're in a contradiction in the, we're in how the American establishment has, has for so long seen things. We're in a, in a contradiction within, within the close circle of Trump support. So, I don't know.

what, I mean, Marco Rubio is, I think, feeling like everything is going his way at this point in time. He owns Donald Trump, much to the concern and consternation of the other people who thought they owned Donald Trump. So interesting. So interesting. Well, J.D. Vance must be just sitting there thinking, well, it's very noticeable that he's remained quiet and he's now been given some sort of benefits for what, uh, job to look into, which seems much smaller than what is going on on the world stage. So two things. You mentioned that, you know, Trump is now going to start blaming people. We saw Christine Noam lose her job. We saw Rick Grenel lose his job. He was running the Kennedy Center. Is that what you mean? Or do you think more heads are going to come? That is. We're going to get to the, you know, we're at the, you have a problem, fire people, you're fired, which he has not done, which he has assiduously avoided doing for since the beginning of this term. He has not fired anyone as a point of strategy, of almost of ideology.

I'm not going to fire anyone because that would be giving into outside pressure. These people are the people I've put in the job, therefore they must be the right person for the job because I put them into the job. That's what's in Trump's head. But that becomes dislodged from Trump's head when he feels that someone should be blamed. Things are going wrong. Therefore, someone should be blamed, clearly not him. So what do you do when the reflex begins?

I mean, Christy Noem is not being blamed for the war in Iran, but she seems to be blamed, at least in part, for Minneapolis. Well, and also the ad campaign, right, the quarter of a billion dollar ad campaign, which Trump seems to have wised up to a bit later on them, perhaps others did. And he realizes that there's some sort of level of corruption going on there and that there is a huge commission coming off the top of that ad campaign. Yeah, I'm not so, you know, Trump doesn't exactly work like that. It's more of a thing like blame. Blame sort of focuses, you become a person surrounded by blame. I mean, he just turns off of you and feels that you are part of his problem. He has to get rid of you.

Is there a specific thing? He doesn't really deal in. specifics. It doesn't really, you know, the advertising campaign, the griff corruption. I mean, these are not really things that particularly upset him. So I thought the whole point was that Trump hated it when other people in his circle made money off him. I thought that was one of his. No, no, that that is a or profit off of him and she would have profited off of it from the publicity. Yeah, I mean, that's part of it, but it is more the blame. You become a person who he can blame.

Does he, I think it's partly that he senses your weakness. It's suddenly he just doesn't like your smell, really. I mean, this is all on his part visceral. So Rick Grinnell, for instance, has been incredibly loyal to Trump. I mean, Trump has an issue with Grenel. because Grinnell is gay. But nevertheless, I mean, that's why. So Grinnell wanted to be the Secretary of State,

but he couldn't be a Secretary of State because he's gay. What do you do with a gay person? Well, the performing arts. I mean, this is literally, again, the simple machine. Although he was in Germany. He was the ambassador to Germany in Trump One, wasn't he? Yes, he was around. he um unless we should we should get to this because rick grinnell was a um uh was a Jared Kushner

person so i mean Jared had he was Jared was kind of protecting Rick grinnell and and Rick Rennell is a you know he has been a you know a pretty effective guy at insinuating himself into all kinds of foreign policy portfolios and situations. I mean, that's why this is a kind of sort of humiliating to be put into the performing arts, obviously. But that's not why he's out of there. He's out of there now because this has somehow for, it just, it doesn't, he, the Trump Kennedy Center has failed to be the Trump Kennedy Center.

center. And they're now having to close this down. So again, the blame thing has started. So what I think the point to concentrate on here or the theme should be that blame, the need to blame, not for any specific reason, but because he feels, he feels if he doesn't blame someone, the blame might come to him. So I think we're going to start to see more and more people fired. and just to recall the first administration, which was a revolving door of people constantly being being pushed out. But so to keep our eye, we're beginning to see the blame. And what that also says is that he doesn't have an enemy at this point. That rattles him.

and, you know, the, I mean, I think that he probably had hoped the Iranians would be his enemy. He could focus there, but he doesn't. And we've just seen some Newsome things. I think he's trying to revive Newsome. Yep. Yeah, I was going to talk to you about the Newsome thing, which is absolutely fascinating. We have a clip of that as he goes after Gavin Newsome, which feels like a complete. you know, lateral attack, the zero reason to go after him right now.

His book that he's been around promoting, which talks about his dyslexia. This is Gavin Newsom talking about his dyslexia. He's been out for a month at this point. But obviously, Trump has decided to focus on it as a distraction. Can we play the clip? You're going to jail. That's how crazy it's got. With a low IQ person, you know, because Gavin Newscom has admitted that he is a,

that he is learning. disabilities. Honestly, I'm all for people with learning disabilities, but not for my president. I don't want. I think a president should not have learning disabilities, okay? And I know it's highly controversial to say such a horrible thing. The president of the United States, Gavin Newscom, admitted that he has learning disabilities, dyslexia, everything about him is dumb. But then he looked at the audience and said, said, well, he said, well, he was, but I'm smarter than you or something like that. It was pretty similar.

So now on top of everything else, I call him a racist, because it happened to be a black audience, I will tell you this. I think it was the worst interview I've ever seen of any human being in my life. Anybody else have any questions? Very interesting. So the journalists actually in that moment don't take the red meat. He's just thrown to them and go straight back to Iran.

But it was a very clear attack on Gavin Newsom. and learning disabilities. And actually, it's quite a good line. I don't want my president to have learning disabilities. Of course, from a president who very clearly has all sorts of learning issues. I mean, you can't fault the irony. But let me just go back to the first administration when in those first months and everyone, everyone who had come into the, very few of the people who had come into the White House

actually had any kind of relationship with Donald Trump. So they were all trying to figure this out. But a real focus of concern and of fear became the level of which Donald Trump could or could not read. In other words, was he? And this was kind of constantly, was he actually illiterate? Because he would just wave things away. You would give him something printed, you know, a couple of lines, wave it away. Was he semi-literate?

What was the problem here? There was some clear problem with his ability to focus on and to absorb written information. Well, and it's interesting because most presidents read books. Right? Think of how many books, Bill Clinton read, I mean, maybe less so George W. Bush, but certainly Obama. And, you know, they make an enormous, well, not an enormous thing, but they, books are useful. They're full of history. They're full of information. And there's no question that Trump is voraciously unread. You didn't just say books are useful, did you? I did just say books are useful. But you wouldn't think so. You wouldn't think so from the way Donald Trump behaves. But there's no question. He's voraciously unread. No, well, I mean, I mean, literally this was a point of people had to around them had to deal with this. And the question was, and these were not hyperbolic questions, this was a question of, okay, there's something wrong with his ability to the way he relates to words when they are written down. What do we do about that?

Right. So he may well be dyslexic himself, which is why he's focused on Gavin Newsom's dyslexia. Yes, or illiterate. He just decided he was never going to learn to read because why should he? Michael, how can you say that when he's written the art of the deal? How can you say that? Maybe you can write, but he can't read. We actually know who wrote the art of the deal.

Tony Schwartz wrote the art of the deal, and Tony Schwartz has often wondered if Don't Donald Trump ever read the art of the deal. And I think he's also regrets that he regrets writing it, right? You know, deeply. Deeply. I mean, I've known Tony for a long time, and that's a, you know, I mean, the poor guy. He never, never expected Donald Trump to become the, within the United States. And who did, of course.

Right. I was going to say he's not alone there. So Iran is not going well for him at home. It's certainly true that the U.S. US does appear to have obliterated a large part of Iranian hardware, but the Straits of Hormuz are a problem. Maga is raising its head over this. Tucker Carlson is barking into the wind about it. We've got the first resignation, and Trump is beginning to blame people. You know, and this news about Susie Wiles, I think, is relevant here because because, I,

Susie Wiles is to the extent that this administration was different, this Trump administration has been different from the last Trump administration, that there is, however, shallow, nevertheless, a certain order of organization that has, that has, that has, that has, that has, you know, I think been the deed, the key difference between this administration and the last. And that has to do with Susie Wiles. And I think, you know, if she's not, she's sick and no longer all of her attention is not directed at what's going on in the West Wing. That's going to be a, that's going to be a, we're going to see the effects of that.

Okay, and we should just for people who haven't followed the Susie Wiles news, Susie Wiles announced yesterday, actually the president announced for her that she has breast cancer. So they've caught it early and the prognosis is apparently good. But as you say, she will probably feel very distracted. And for anybody who wants to know more about what Susie Wiles' impact is in this second Trump administration, we did a special about Susie Wiles on Saturday. actually, a sort of deep dive into the significance of her and the limits of her role, which is really worth listening to.

If I do say so myself, that sounded a bit grandiose, didn't it? I didn't mean it like that, but Susie Wiles becomes a person of even more intrigue. And the somewhat different way that Susie Wiles is a really interesting story. He's an interesting story because she doesn't really fit into the Trump orbit and universe. and the very fact that she is not of the Trump piece has allowed her to bring, to make, to hold this White House together. Well, there were a lot of comments on Saturday when we dropped the podcast from people saying, how is it also that Susie Wiles survived with the look she has? Because as we know, women go into the White House, Christine Nain being the perfect.

example, looking relatively normal and very quickly end up having a maga makeover. And Susie Wiles has remained determinedly herself. He referred to her as a refrigerator. But she's somewhat matronly looking and resisted the big eyelashes. She doesn't appear to have had tons of filler or certainly not the big lips. She's not gone for the hair extensions. And I think the fact that she's a grandmother is neither here nor there because a lot of a lot of the women around Trump around Mara Lago, around Bedminster, have all gone for that maga look. But Susie's remained her own person in that regard. Yeah, no. I mean, I think that that really spotlights the thing that is most interesting about her and ultimately most valuable to this White House.

Right. And of course, she used to work for Marco Rubio. So he may be anxious about her health, too. Anyway, I'm sure she has the best possible medical attentions that she can get. So the other person we should talk to who may also get blamed, and there seems to be some distance going on now between the White House and make America healthy again, is, of course, RFK Jr. Well, let me go out on a limb here, and I think that he's going to get fired. Oh, you do? You think he's going to get fired before the midterms? I do. I do. I think he's showing all the numbers are showing him to be a clear liability. The Vax thing is, the Vax thing is, the anti-vax thing is not a winning position. It's a MAGA position, but it's one of the positions that really isolates MAGA from the rest of the electorate.

So, and he's associated with that. I don't think Trump wants to be associated with it. And the way to get out from under is to get RFK Jr. out of the administration. And do you think that's a power trip for Donald Trump to fire a Kennedy? I think he would prefer not to fire a Kennedy. I think that this is just, it's just too stark. and everybody in the White House knows it, including Susie Wiles, who has never been a fan of RFK Jr. Nobody's been a fan of his, actually, in the Trump circle.

Well, he was useful at the moment to bring in independent voters when, because of course, just reminding people, he was running his own campaign that was financed by the ex-wife of Google founder, co-founder, Sergey Brin. She financed his campaign with their divorce settlement. after she'd gotten divorced from Sergei Brim because she had an alleged affair with a Elon Musk. So again, another fascinating story of one of Trump's cabinet members. No, and it was it was in actually a very precise thing. As soon as Kamala Harris, there had been a large number of voters from both of Biden voters and Trump voters who had gravitated toward RFK, upwards of some polls as many as 17% of the of likely voters were had gravitated to RFK.

When Kamala Harris became the nominee, almost all of the Democratic voters went back. They were sort of, they were more anti-Biden voters than they were pro-RFK voters. They went back to Harris. for, but the anti-Trump voters were still with RFK Jr. So the administration, they literally had to sit down and make a deal with RFK. It was like, okay, we're going to give you this significant health portfolio because we need

you to drop out of the race. Well, and I saw that he just had rotator cuff surgery, which doesn't speak very highly of all those pull-ups he's been doing at the airport where he takes his shirt off and suddenly there he goes. Anyway, I hope he also gets excellent medical attention on his rotator cuff. So we also have a court that's put RFK's Vax plan on ice. So even though there are various places that have stopped vaccinating their children and you're certainly seeing a rise in measles in the Carolinas in particular, it, looks like the courts are going to step in anyway, so he will be muzzled by the law.

Yeah, no. I mean, I don't think anything looks good. It's not a good look. And that's what Trump is going to start to say. That's the thing that's going to start to go around in his head. Okay. Not a good look. Okay.

So he's got rid of Nome. He's got rid of Rick Grinnell. You think RFK Jr. might be next. Who's really in charge here? But let's set this broader thing. I think things are, the wheels are coming off. I mean, in so many ways.

And even before the war in Iran's started, politically, he was in a very complicated position, more and more and more. Minneapolis, the economy that won't, that won't budge. his his inability to read the room when it comes to putting his name on buildings and building what the triumphant arch the ballroom no and i mean his own numbers terrible sinking sinking fast so and then and then the war comes along and the war comes along and is going to so we're going to go from a political crisis to a political catastrophe That's where we are now. In the second year of the second Trump term, it is, you know, we're getting to the point because it's the second term in which he's not going to be able to recover.

Yeah, it's interesting. I had tea yesterday with a Democratic congressman, and he was saying that some of the Republican congresspeople he knows want to lose. the House because they're desperate for a reckoning on Trump and they hate him. They know that he can still have the power to unseat them and primary them. But what they actually want is a reckoning for the Republican Party and especially if they lose the Senate too, then Trump begins to feel like he's in the rearview mirror. And actually he was saying that Republican congressmen actually text him things he can use and raise against them.

I always feel that this is what Democratic congressmen have said about their Republican colleagues for many years now. And my conclusion is that actually Democrats don't talk to Republicans in Congress. So therefore, it's all projection and wishfulness. Well, it may be all projection and wishfulness, but it has the ring of truth about it that we know, and you are always pointing out, and every now and then we see small flashes of resistance to Trump that he has hijacked the Republican Party. There are many people in there who hate him, who don't want to put their head above the parrot because their families have

said, for goodness sake, don't bring his ire upon us. I don't want to have to deal with all that social media hate. I don't want lunatics turning up at our gate, because none of these people have security for the most part. But if he loses, then they... have an opportunity to regroup. I have never felt they wanted to get rid of Donald Trump. Quite the opposite. I think they don't know who they are as a political party. I think they know that they sink without Donald Trump.

And however Donald Trump complicates their lives, they still have jobs because of him. All right. So, Michael, you've talked about the power of Jared Kushner in this sense. second administration. We talked about the fact he'd raised $2 billion from the Saudis, and you think that he's still very important. I mean, I have always observed Jared Kushner's influence over his father-in-law. I think that Jared Kushner was really the only person who survived and prospered in the first administration. And I was curious that he didn't take a job in this second administration

and yet has become so central and powerful in it. I mean, I really think that he is the son-in-law who ate the father-in-law. I mean, he doesn't look big enough to have eaten the father-in-law. He's almost concave at this point, Jared. No, but nevertheless, you know, he's like one of those snakes, and then you see them. They devour their jaw. You know, the, I mean, his positioning, he is the chief advisor and the chief negotiator on all things, well, on so many foreign policy things, but certainly on all things in the Middle East. and he has been able to see the Middle East in a way that Trump admires, which is what's in it for me.

And, you know, and there's a kind of thing. There's a Trumpian thing, and I think a Kushner thing too, is we do what we have been, we are selfless in terms of the, of taking on this civic responsibility. but why shouldn't we also profit off of that? And Jared raised after the first administration, even Trump was, you know, again, even even Trump seemed to seem to not survive the first administration. But Jared came out of it having raised $2 billion from, literally from his work in the White House and to set up this investment fund. Now, in the middle of being the chief advisor and chief negotiator on all matters, Middle East, having been really one of the pivotal and may be the pivotal voice on what happens in this war, in the middle of this, he's outraising $5 billion from sources in the Middle East.

So is this for another fund? So the first two billion went to Affinity's first fund, right? Is this for a second fund? Well, I assume. But yes. So, and, you know, obviously this is just part and parcel of the greater Trump family's extraordinary efforts to monetize this last term that they will have in the White House. But I think that even beyond, I mean, this is, this goes beyond the money because this goes directly to the policy. This goes to, to the Middle East becomes a function of, of Jared's ambitions to, you know, effectively reconstruct the Middle East.

Wow. Well, I'm very excited that spring is on the way. There is at least sun. You missed a very cold spell while you were in London. How was the weather there? Great. Good. And did you meet people who are listening?

I go to the weather now. Climate change means London is always spring. Did you get any sense that people in London are listening to Inside Trump's Head? Yeah, it's all over the place. I was stopped constantly. Well, by people saying get out. Get out of our town. No, they say this.

I mean, it's always embarrassing because they say thank you for your service. Well, Michael, I'm very glad you're back. Thank you for your service. I hope people will share this podcast with their friends. I'm always forgetting to say that at the beginning because I'm so excited to talk to you and we get straight into it. But please, you know, don't forget to comment on this podcast. Subscribe to the podcast. Subscribe to the Daily Beast.

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