The Daily Beast Podcast - MTG’s Boyfriend Wants People Racially Profiled While Voting

Episode Date: September 29, 2024

Brian Glenn of the far-right outlet Real America’s Voice says Americans should demand to see the IDs of people at polling places if they think they shouldn’t be there.  Plus! Rashad Robinson, the president of Color of Change, joins Danielle Moodie to discuss his organization’s efforts to fight for the voting rights that are being challenged in many states and in many Black communities. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hi, I'm Andy Levy, former Fox News and CNN-HLN guy, and current cable news conscientious objector. I'm a former libertarian who now sits comfortably on the left. Hi, I'm Danielle Moody, former educator and recovering lobbyist. But today, I'm an unapologetic, woke commentator on America's threats to democracy. And I'm producer Jesse Kedden, and I'm here to make sure things don't go too far off the rails. We're here to have fun, smart conversations with some of the most knowledgeable and entertaining people in politics, media, and beyond. Our goal is to try and make sense of our current crazy world, our new abnormal, and hopefully even make you laugh through the tears. Hello and welcome to another Sunday bonus edition of the new abnormal.

We thank you so much for being here. Co-Rashoref Change President Rashad Robinson is here to tell us all about his organization and their efforts to fight for the voting rights that are being challenged in many states and in many black communities. But first, let's have some fun. Are you guys ready to listen to some clips? Clips. All right. Let's start out real stupid. Senator Tommy Tuberville, our dumbest senator, is going to do one of my favorite things our elected officials do.

Pretend to know what they're talking about while demonstrate they have absolutely no clue what the fuck they're talking about. They're trying to get her elected the worst possible candidate they could put there. But in 90 days, they're trying to get her across the finish line. She's the first ever AI presidential candidate, all done by social media, media, media, TV, radio, they're doing everything they possibly can. They'll spend billions of dollars to get her across the line. She is the worst candidate. There's some Democrat senators up here that are wondering,

how in the world is she get in front of me? I've been up her forever. I know the policies. I know how to get things done. No chance, didn't talk to them. She's the one they wanted because they can control her. That's what it's all about. Does he know what AI is?

I don't think so. I think he clearly demonstrated he does not. I think he thinks it stands for African idiot. Oh, damn. Mm-mm. Mm-mm. One of my favorite things on the right that they do is they all try to float the dumbest thing that all of them are going to repeat that's really stupid, just like this dog thing that got a lot of people hurt. And he really thought he was fucking nailing it here when he was fumbling the ball like there's no tomorrow.

Like they'll do anything. they'll buy ads. It's a whole industry called political, political ads. Like, social media is not the same thing as AI. But, like, I just, sense does not matter. I don't even know why we unpack it. It doesn't fucking matter. He's a idiot.

And this won't affect him or anyone at all. Yeah. What's amazing to me is they glommed on to this talking point that she's dumb. And, like, of all the possible, even people on the left or whatever that, you know, aren't enamored. with her. Nobody thinks she's dumb. And then on top of that, she absolutely kicks Donald Trump's ass at a debate. And it's like, well, if she's dumb, what does that make him? Yep. And yet, they're going to keep going with this. I think one of the biggest things that keeps happening is, you know,

we're at a very weird age where I think you, a lot of times when people don't see what's in front of their eyes, they start to go, hmm, I think this person's full of shit. And I think that this one's going to win pretty flat. Yeah. Okay. Well, Now we come to another very stupid thing, the New York Times op-ed section, an increasingly irrelevant place thanks to the terrible framing and lazy analysis of people like Brett Stevens, who recently said VP Harris needs to win over his vote. So MSNBC's Stephanie Rule took him to task on a show hosted by somebody named like Blah Ma or something. So let's listen to her and do that. It's not too much to ask Kamala say, are you for a Palestinian state if Hamas is a Muslim state if Hamas is a going to run that state.

Okay. Yes or no? And let's say you don't like her answer. Are you going to vote for Donald Trump? No, I'm not going to vote for her. Donald Harris is not running for perfect. She's running against Trump. We have two choices.

And so there are some things you might not know her answer to. And in 2024, unlike 2016 for a lot of the American people, we know exactly what Trump will do, who he is, and the kind of threat he is to democracy. I don't know her. Kamala is we don't know her answer to anything, okay? But you know his answer to everything. And that's why I would never vote for him and people shouldn't vote for him. But people also are expected to have some idea of what the program is of the person you're supposed to vote for.

You're just not supposed to say, well, you have to vote for why because X is this, that, and the other. Let's find out a little bit more. And I don't think it's a lot to ask her to sit down for a real interview as opposed to a puff piece in which she describes like, Her feelings of growing up in Oakland with nice walls. Then, I would just say to that, when you move to Nirvana, give me your real estate broker's number, and I'll be your next one of the neighbors. We don't listen. I feel like you're the dog.

We're trying to get in the car to go to the bed. I'll call it on your head for the rest of the day. I say that as one of your biggest feds, you know. I mean, I gobble up everything you're right. I just don't understand how you get to this place. But, okay, let's start. Badger. For the last two weeks, I've been going on and on.

Like, I can't figure out where undecided voter, where informed undecided voters are. I'm like, who's the person who has a list on their refrigerator of like, well, she said this and he's, I'm like, who is this person? And then I opened the mirror times three days ago and it's you. Mm-mm. I mean, bravo. Bravo to Stephanie Rule. That was well done.

A well-done way to pick apart and just put the mirror up. up to his face. Like, what is it? Like, oh, we don't know. It's the laziest response. We don't know where her policies are. Bitch, Google is free. Like, you know, look it up.

And this idea that somehow sitting down with the press is going to illuminate people. Oh, Donald Trump sits down for tons of interviews and says not a fucking thing. So I'm just like, I'm so over these lazy ass people who want to continue to say they don't know where she stands because their eyes and ears are. purposefully closed. Yeah, and that's where I was going to say, I take issue with Stephanie Rule here because she accepted his framing. She accepted the idea that he doesn't know where she stands on anything. That's just simply not true. As I listened to that, I just, I got a little annoyed that she didn't push back on that. I mean, look, he's being dishonest there,

pretending that he doesn't know where Kamala Harris stands on any issue. I mean, we've, we've had a presidential debate. She has sat down for interviews. She gives speeches. We know where she stands. He's so clearly not a good actor here. He's not writing his column in good faith with his fake more in sorrow than anger attitude. Like none of it is done in good faith. And, you know, the New York Times is just they are absolutely beside themselves that she has not sat down for an interview with them. That's what they want. Yep. A hundred percent. She could give 20. 20 interviews to the Washington Post, and they would still say she's ducking the press because she hadn't sat down and talked with them. So everything that Brett Stevens is saying is not being

done in good faith. It's the New York Times being cranky and upset that there are other outlets out there that she is choosing to avail herself of. And it's an interesting thing is like during the Obama era, they stopped rewarding Fox News's bad behavior and started to outcast them further and further from the White House. And now in this era with the New York Times, it's not that it's not they're giving them favorable coverage. It's that their coverage is fucking awful. And they throw fits when they don't get access to things in a way.

And when they're behaving terribly, the funniest thing is there's no political alignment that likes the way that the New York Times is behaving at this point. And it's lazy journalism. It's just purely badly done. It's not about what partisan side it is. It's fucking people literally in the organization, leak all day. They have no idea what the management is doing. They're asleep at the fucking wheel.

So they're not rewarding it. And then you have this guy who's a self-important loser because people like blah ma tell him that they read everything. They write and they throw a hissy fit. Yeah. You know, outside of Maggie Haberman saying that she thinks that they're doing an extraordinary job of covering Donald Trump and, you know, and they've just been, you know, everything's been bang up and there's no notes to be provided. They're circle jerks. Like they just, they give a fuck about what their names being in lights, their names being in print and being in conversation, they have absolutely abdicated their responsibility to the American people. And they have made themselves and continue to make themselves irrelevant with the temper tantrums that they are

throwing around the vice president. All right. Deep breath. So here we have a craven congresswoman from South Carolina named Nancy Mays who continues her run to be accepted by MAGA by saying ridiculous things and let's watch her go. Just last week, Harris, 158 Democrats voted against my bill, the violence against women by illegal aliens act that would deport these criminal illegal aliens who are raping our women, who are pedophiles,

and who are murdering our women and girls, just as you cited in Nantucket and other places. Every town has become a border town. Every state has become a border state. I don't know. That's unfortunate. Twitter's really good at auto playing a sound right after the person talked. from the next video that really describes the feeling towards it.

She is very unfortunate. I don't even know what to say about Nancy Mace at this point. Like, she's a tool. She's like, she's so malleable by the Republican Party. Like, whatever it is that is popular within their own circles is what's going to come out of her mouth. She has no morals. She has no conviction. She's the biggest, like, pick me, pick me that I've ever seen.

and she's embarrassing. And that's why 158 Democrats voted against your racist bullshit bill. Like, it's just they're embarrassing. There is not a member of the Republican Party that should be in Congress. I cannot think of any of them in the House of Representatives where I'm like, oh, well, that one, they deserve to be there. Not one of them. Oh, God.

They're so gross. Yeah, I was trying to come up with one and I couldn't. Yes, to everything you just said. I just want to point out that for so long, Nancy Mace was held up. as like, I mean, by the media was held up as like a voice of moderation. And look, this goes back to why I don't fault Kamala Harris for not wanting to sit down with the New York Times. The sanewashing, as Parker Malloy so astutely calls it, the sanewashing of Donald Trump isn't the only thing they do. They do this for a lot of Republicans. They make Republicans seem much more reasonable

than they are. And they do it when they use language like instead of saying racist. They say racially tinged. There's a million little ways that they do it. And if I were Kamala Harris, I would actually say to them, I'll make you a deal. I'll come sit down with you when you start telling the truth about Republicans. And I don't think at this point under the current leadership that they are capable of doing that. So Kamala Harris will never have to worry about sitting down with the New York Times. And I just throw this out there because Nancy Mays is just another example of that. I mean, she was very clearly insane from the start. And yet she was held up. up as like some sort of

moderating influence in Congress. Yeah, that's a great way of putting it. Okay, we have one last one, and I'm going to apologize as advance. Here's Marjorie Taylor Green's boyfriend, who's an anchor at the... Really? Who's an anchor at the bargain-bidden version of Fox's Real America Voice, and he's going to encourage crime

and be racist all at once. If you go to a polling center and you see busloads, van loads of people walking up to vote that clearly perhaps look like they could be, let's just make sure people are checking IDs. Because if people are going in with zero ID and they're not a U.S. citizen and they shouldn't be allowed to vote, period. So we need poll watchers that can perhaps sound the alarm

if they think that is going on so that maybe some election officials can double check on that. So if we start to see all these caravan of people coming in, let's make sure they're all legal before we're. allow them to vote. As simple as simple as that. Andy? I'm curious, Daniel, what does he mean by who look like they might not be legal? Any thoughts?

I think that he means melanated. Yeah. Right? Having any bit of melanin, potentially not looking white. Which is what he just wants to fucking say. I know. Just say that you don't want non-white people to vote. Like, we don't need your coated, like, thinly veiled, stupid.

coded language, right? Like the only real Americans in this country, two Republicans, are white Americans. That's it. Everyone else is fucking suspect, suspicious, and is deserving of nothing. Like, we get it, right? And the only people that have been caught up recently with their fucking, like, election fraud are Republicans who are white people. I feel like, Jesse, you do this as a way to, like, really just send me over the edge. And I am calling HR. I'm thinking of the people and shining light on the things that the mainstream media misses that I want to highlight in our show so that they can understand and see these people for who they are while also having company in my misery of having high blood pressure. Can I issue a correction on something you said when you were introing this clip?

That we don't have HR. Please, please, please. That too. You refer to, is it Real America Voice? Is that what it's called? Yes, yes, yes. You refer to it as the bargain bin Fox News. I think Real America Voice is the bargain bin Newsmax.

Oh, thank you. Thank you. That is true. And Newsmax is the bargain bin Fox News. Oh, dear. That is a correction I will take. I'm not sure where OAN fits into that. I'm going to say, uh, incestuous stepchild with birth effects.

Oh, God. Jesus. Oh, Lord. We'll be right back. I am very excited to welcome back to the new abnormal. Rashad Robinson, who is the president of color of change, which is one of the nation's largest racial justice organization boasting a constituency of seven million plus folks.

Rashad, as we speak, we are currently, I want to say, 40 days away from the presidential election. And a lot has happened and a lot is happening. but one of the things that is troubling to me, as I know to many of the listeners here, are the number of ways in which the Republicans right now are rolling out different voter suppression techniques. Narrowly avoided in Nebraska was going to be an entirely different way of counting the votes after, oh, I don't know, 248 years of this country to have it be a winner take all. And now that that is not going to happen.

They're going to remain within the count of the electoral college. Georgia has opened up different avenues for their voter suppression, Texas. What do you make of these changes that are coming with just days to go until the presidential election? And what are you and color of change paying attention to right now? Well, the opponents of social change, of democracy, of racial justice are afraid. They're afraid because even with the attacks and the setbacks and the challenges, we've been winning in a lot of places. And the 2022 election was just one of many signs that, you know, the public is kind of fed up with a lot of what the right wing has to offer, what we've seen with abortion ballot measures. It's another example.

And so if you can't win by the rules, you change the rules is what they do. They cheat. And so, and they're focused on stealing this election in whatever way possible. And that's nothing new. Like, the history of elections in this country has been about denying, suppressing, or stealing black votes. This is not new. And so we have to walk into this election clear-eyed that we have to overperform and that we have to over-engage. And we have to muscle through this election cycle.

And then we have to hold the people that we put in office accountable for, actually making sure that in the future, we don't have to walk up a hill with rocks on our backs each election cycle. Because it is not enough to just say thank you to black people, oftentimes to black women in particular, for saving democracy. You thank people by doing something about it, by removing the barriers, by removing the obstacles, by putting in place legislation and accountability to make sure that our elections are actually fair. But what we know now and what is happening now is a direct result of the fact that we are rising, that we are pushing, and that we have an opportunity to do something really powerful if we take it and we seize it.

You know, one of the demographics that gets a bit of news are young black men, as well as young Latino men, kind of I'm looking at Gen Z. And their connection and they're just enabling of Donald Trump. Donald Trump represents something to a certain set of. of young men. But in each election, we're kind of seeing, and it's small, but it's still this nipping away at young black men who are, for some reason, wooed over to the Republican Party. What do you make of it? Do you think that the media makes too much of it being as how small the number still is, or that we're not making enough light of why these young men are able to be peeled off? It's a mix.

You know, so Danielle, I do think that the way the media focuses on it and how much they focus on it and how little they interrogate why Donald Trump is white America's leader, why, you know, a convicted, non-family man, six-time bankrupt charlatan is their hero. Because regardless of what black people do or don't do in this election, Donald Trump will get the majority. of the white vote. He will get the overwhelming majority of the white male vote. And we don't actually interrogate what's going on with white men. What's going on with white boys that they feel so comfortable voting for a man who brags about grabbing women by their genitals. So we are focusing on what's wrong with black people.

What's wrong with black boys? When the overwhelming majority of white people are voting for Donald Trump, they are his heroes, you don't see young black men at MAGA events. You don't see young black men on the floor of the Republican convention. You don't see young black men at any scale walking around with MAGA attires. When you do, they cover it a bit because it's not normal. It's salacious. But what it does is it allows the media, particularly the corporate media,

to actually avoid the tough questions about their families, about what's happening in their household, what's happening with their me-mahs, what's happening with their nephews and their nieces and all of these conversations that actually should be interrogating what's happening with white America, that Donald Trump is their leader. And what does it say about white America and white family values that Donald Trump is their hero? And for the white people who are appalled by this, what are the action steps they take? What is the engagement that they take?

What is the interrogation they're taking within their people? communities to actually deal with the fact that this election will not be blamed on black people's performance. It should not be blamed on black people's performance because white people will overwhelmingly show up to vote for someone like Donald Trump. But to your point about black men specifically, because I don't want to avoid the question. Black men vote with the women of their race more than any other group of men. Let me say that one more time. Black men vote with the women of their race more than any other group of men. Black men vote for progressive candidates, and by progressive I mean pro-abortion, pro-LGBQ, grow civil rights, grow environment. Black men vote

for those type of candidates more than any other group of men and more than white women. So if we start from a place not of deficit when we talk about black men, but talk about the ways in which time and time again, when it's been expected for people to show up and defend and protect and save democracy, black men, while have not been as solid of numbers of black women, they've been right behind black women and have far outperformed any other group of men and most other groups of women. And if we start from that place, then we can start looking at how and why are groups of folks perhaps being peeled off. And we can interrogate and push the Democratic Party to not actually believe that they're owed the votes of black people,

but that they have to be in partnership for those votes, that there's work that has to be done, right? When you see the recent sort of reporting numbers about how little digital advertising has actually been targeted towards black men and to black communities in particular, how little of the money has gone to groups that seek to mobilize and engage like mine and others, then we still have to asking a question,

And are we actually serious? Is the left actually serious about not just engaging folks around an election time, but the type of long-term engagement that creates the brand connection necessary, the type of connection that we need to actually win long-term. But right now, so much of this engagement feels deeply episodic. And despite that episodic engagement, black people, black men are overwhelmingly supporting Democrats, overwhelmingly. supporting progressive candidates. And even with the recent reporting that there's some ways in which the numbers may not be as high as in other years, they are so incredibly high compared to other groups. Obviously, we know that one of the reasons why white America is not interrogated is because we still, and by we, I'm talking about folks in the media, view white people

as individuals and not as a collective set. So they're not interrogated in the same as what is happening with Gen Z white men? Why are they following along with the Joe Rogans and the toxic masculinity and the J.D. Vance's and the federalist guys? Why do they seem so appealing? Why is the Tradwife phenomenon taken off in places like TikTok for white women

to once again don the aprons and to make centering patriarchy like your calling in life? And anything outside of that is not feminine. We need in media to do a much better job because I think that we have lied to ourselves for decades upon decades that said racism would die out. I don't know how something dies out that is taught in the home and in the schools. I wonder, you know, when you're looking and you see right now, right, these poll numbers that come out that say that still, even after the overturning of Roe v.

Wade, 50% of white women are in lockstep with Donald Trump. That is their man. That is their man. that they are standing by, you know, it becomes disheartening, I think, to the rest of us who are just like, what is it going to take? And when we look at the evils that are inside of Project 2025, and I want to get your thoughts on that and try and lift up how life, daily life in America will fundamentally change if, in fact, Project 2025 becomes the law of the land, that doesn't seem to be enough of a threat to white America. Yeah. I mean, here's the thing. Racism is profitable. It's held up by profit incentives. And so until we make racism not profitable, we're going to not be able to end it. We're not going to be able to end it whole.

We are living in a capitalist society. So what is profitable will survive. What is profitable will thrive. And I know that might feel simplistic and we can like go down the rabbit holes of changing hearts and minds and all those things, but if we really want to truly change behaviors, we have to, at the heart, cut off the kind of animating engagement that sort of drives our behaviors. And what animates our society in so many ways in a capitalist society is profit, is resource, is money, is survival, is wants, is needs. And the fact that, like, racism and the sort of hierarchies that spawn from it absolutely do drive so much, that that is absolutely part of it. And that's why it won't die. It's part of that. We live in a world where our laws and our rules are not always

implemented fairly, right? And so if you take something like marijuana, right, marijuana was essentially legal for years for white people and rich people before states started, you know, making it legal. And we see that with so many other pieces. And so you do have a portion of the public that even with abortion bans, they don't think it will affect them. They go through the story. of, oh, well, I'll just travel here or I'll go here. That is why the storytelling about some of these situations where folks were not able to make movements or situations that really sort of impacted people that did not have power, young people who were victims of incest, are so important to help disrupt a kind of people's

way of sort of thinking that they can fix these things. And so I say all that to say, that is very much something that, you know, we feel. focus on a color of change through our storytelling and narrative work. Talk to us about how Project 2025 has played kind of a central role in this election. For a while, no one was talking about Project 2025. We were talking about it here on the new abnormal, like, you know, a year and a half before it became a common point of conversation. And we were unpacking it and talking about the national abortion ban talking about the rollback of or just disregard of public education as a whole and picking apart these pieces. It was center stage at the DNC. Literally skits were done and the book was brought out.

Do you think that there has been enough done to really talk about this 950 plus page manifesto that is ready to be activated that is already in a lot of red states in motion? but ready to be activated nationwide if Donald Trump gets a second in what I refer to as the final term. You know, I think a lot has been done to lay out the policies and talk about the policies. I think what we have to continue to do is, you know, make it clear about who's behind it and why, you know, what their profit motives are because this isn't simply about Project 2025 alone. It is about an infrastructure of enablers who want the world to operate a certain way. The Heritage Foundation, which sort of created Project 2025, doesn't exist without, you know, corporatists and Christian billionaires and white nationalist.

It doesn't exist without tech billionaires and others, putting resources into it and putting resources and helping to support it through amplification. And so making sure we are telling a full story of the ecosystem that we have to defeat, right? It's not simply about a list of policies and practices. It's about changing the sort of way in which we live and our ability to fight for a better tomorrow. And why would people want to do that? And so when we were going up against Alec, the American Legislative Exchange Council, really,

and all the corporate money that was going to Alec, people would say to us, well, when we're going after Coca-Cola, for instance, for its support of Alec, and Coca-Cola would say, I don't really, we don't really care about the voting rights stuff. We're not against voting rights legislation. You know, we have a history in Atlanta, supporting civil rights and all of that. And they said, we're a part of Alec because Alec is going to help us fight the discriminatory soda tax.

And they called it the discriminatory soda tax, right? And so, and that's the taxes that were placed on sodas in a lot of places to, like, deal with the health impacts of sugary drinks. And also to like spur more drinking of water. And to get sodas out of school. and whatever. And so Coca-Cola wanted to fight that. But if we actually dig a little deeper, what they were trying to deal with is the fact of how you get to a soda tax is that you elect certain types of leaders. And you elect leaders that care about black communities, right,

in a certain way that are going to fight for black communities, certain way, they're going to hold corporations accountable in a certain way. And so in essence, while they said they didn't care about who voted and who doesn't vote, you can't believe that out of a corporation because they know, that when more people vote that actually don't want tax breaks for billionaires, when more people vote that want to make sure, you know, resources are shared and the environment is protected, that even though corporations may say they don't care about voting, they actually care about the impacts of voting. And so they do care about voting. And so at the end of the day, what we are sort of oftentimes dealing with is corporations and institutions that are playing in

our face. And so we don't actually get to Project 2025 without corporations having a long game about the type of world that they hope to operate in and are willing to some days play that they care about DEI and diversity and then some days sort of put their money behind infrastructure and people and practices that are trying to strip away diversity. They will smile in our face by day and try to strip us up of our votes. and our power and our possibilities by night. And so that is in essence what Project 2025 is. And you only have to look at sort of all of the ways in which it undermines the ability to enforce civil rights law.

So it's not simply about whether or not it's going to take away this law or that law or implement this or implement that. When they talk about the end of tracking racial data, how do you then enforce problems and issues if you're not tracking? When they talk about the budgets of civil rights offices, you know, you don't actually have to end anti-discrimination laws if you remove the ability to actually enforce those laws. And then you make those laws almost null and void because there's not the infrastructure to enforce to track, to recognize that racism is like water pouring over a floor with holes in it. It will find the cracks. And unless we have the infrastructure to cover those cracks, we will just have a leaky, leaky floor. Well, Rashad Robinson, we will have to leave it there today. Always, always appreciate your insight and your analysis and the work that Color of Change does to make a more equitable country for all of us. Really appreciate you. And can I just ask people to join us in this election cycle?

We are doing lots of voter contact work trying to engage irregular voters. And we're also doing a lot to fight back against mis and disinformation and hold tech platforms accountable for the amplification, even what Google through YouTube is doing right now by monetizing anti-Hasian hate on their platform. They have ads running up against some of the anti-Hasian hate. And even when we talk to them this week, they are refusing to stop monetizing it. This is the type of work that we need people to engage and show up. So sign up at Color of Change and join us in this campaign. We will lose in the back rooms if we don't have people lined up with us at the front door. And those people are you.

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