The Daily Beast Podcast - Why Prince Harry Says King’s Aides ‘Want Me Dead’

Episode Date: May 6, 2025

The Daily Beast's Chief Content Officer Joanna Coles unpacks the two biggest reality shows of our time: Britain's royal family and Donald Trump's presidency. First she lifts the lid on what's really going on in the White House and Mar-a-Lago with the Beast's Executive Editor Hugh Dougherty and finds out who's been voted off the island, who's been pitted in a brutal head-to-head contest and why Warren Buffett just delivered a stinging rebuke with a personal sting in the tail. Then Coles turns to the Beast's European Editor-at-Large Tom Sykes for revelation after revelation about the British royals. Why is Prince Harry really pleading for reconciliation with his father, King Charles? And why is the California exile hinting that someone wants him dead like his mom, Princess Diana—and who exactly does he mean? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, I'm Joanna Coles, the chief content officer of The Daily Beast, and today marks the first day that we're bringing the Daily Beast podcast to the new abnormal feed. Regular listeners will know that the new abnormal was launched as a series to grapple with the crazy days of the early COVID era and quickly developed into sharp, lively commentary thanks most recently to the terrific Andy Levy and Danielle Moody, who are going on to create their own new podcast. called as the world churns. Going forward, here's what you can expect from the Daily Beast podcast, which you'd be able to get right here in this feed. We've heard from so many of you listeners out there saying that you want more interviews, more stories, more life hacks, and frankly, despite the chaos out there, more fun. So that's just what we're going to do with this podcast.

So far, we've had brilliant conversations with guests like Amber Ruffin, John Oliver, Oh, and the Johns Love It and Favreau, Mika Brizinski, Don Lemon, Karaswisher, Governor Andrew Cuomo, Isaac Mizrahi, and more. So we'll be focused on all the stories that obsess us at The Daily Beast from people, power, politics, pop culture, crazy health trains, and of course a myopic dive into my personal obsession, injectable weight loss drugs, aka GLP1s. who's on them, who's taking too much and who's not taking enough and needs to start taking them right now. But before I go any further, you should know I come with a government health warning. According to Stephen Chan, the White House press spokesperson, I'm a blithering idiot suffering a severe case of Trump derangement syndrome which has impacted my pea-sized brain. So fully armed, as they say, expect candid conversations.

an analysis from some of our top beast contributors and please God some laughs as we navigate the complexities of our time. So whether it's the latest political upheaval or the newest cultural craze, we'll be here to break it down for you. So stay tuned. Feel free to leave us comments on our YouTube channel or you can email us at beastpod at thedailybeast.com, because we're just getting started. We'll have new episodes every Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday. for the independent and unexpected content that you should expect from The Daily Beast. So now I'm joined by the Daily Beast executive editor, Hugh Docherty. He's a favourite on the Daily Beast podcast because he knows exactly what's going on minute by minute,

second by second. Hugh, what is going on in the world of politics? I feel since I saw you 10 minutes ago, the world has probably already changed. Oh, my God, Joanna, it has been so much. I can't even begin to pack it into three episodes, never mind. mind one, but congratulations on the new show. It's going to be amazing. But let's dive into the world of Trump. We're not the only people with a new show going on. Donald Trump is as well. As you know, he celebrated 100 days of his presidency last week. And now it's day 106, if you're

listening on Tuesday. And it's a really interesting time because I think what Donald Trump is doing is he's trying to come up with a new format for his show too. So it sees the Two, it's season two. It's season two. Season two of season two. And Mike Walsh has already been voted off the island. We've had a firing or a voting off or whatever you want to call it.

Although Mike Wals, who was the National Security Advisor, who accidentally added a journalist to his secret signal chat, has been nominated to be ambassador to the United Nations. Some people in the Trump administration say officially that that is a promotion, including

among them, J.D. Vance, but none of them will say that behind closed doors because, of course, it is not a promotion at all. And it's also, Nelskevel pointed out in the Daily Beast, actually, in a very thoughtful piece that actually eight out of the last 10 ambassadors to the UN have been women, whereas actually, I think, nine out of the 10 security advisors to the president have been met. So this is actually a girly job. Far be it from me to offer gender. I can say that you can't. Gender barriers to jobs, but yes,

Nell's observation was absolutely right, and she rightly pointed out that it probably wasn't Joe Biden or Barack Obama or George W. Bush, who were making it out to be a girl job, but it certainly was Donald J. Trump, and he had previously tried to give it to his own daughter, Ivanka. Now, also in the reality show... Hold on, hold on. Can I just throw one more thing?

So I'm assuming that because it's a Senate confirmation job, the Senate will do the actual dirty work of questioning or interrogating Mike Wals about actually what went on with the signal chat in a way that Donald Trump hasn't had to. Yes, this could be really embarrassing for Mike Wals. All his signal secrets that he hasn't leaked himself, we're going to come out. We're going to see a lot of emojis, maybe some fire ones from the Democrats. And what we're also going to get is one of the most bizarre spectacles of Trump world. What does Trump love more than anything else? He just loves the show. sure. And inflicting that on Mike Waltz is going to be for him just part of the entertainment. So he may well be confirmed by the Senate, but he will have gone through humiliating questions from the Democratic senators too on the committee. Absolutely. This is a chance for them to really get into how on earth do you accidentally

add a journalist to signal chat? And just for the record, please add me to your signal chat. I'm easy to find. You can find my number on the internet just like you can find people. Heggis and unlike Pete Heggisth, I don't have any secrets to tell you, but please tell me your secrets. I don't believe you don't have any secrets. I'm sure you do. Not official ones, Joanna. You all is to tell people, though. That's true and you do it very well. All right, what else is going on? I think that there's been another big shift in the world of finance, correct? Again, this is another episode of the reality here. And it's one that I don't think Donald Trump has liked or is going to admit to not liking. Warren Buffett, who is by any measure the man Americans would trust most with their money,

and he's one who Donald Trump does trust with his own money. Donald Trump is a shareholder in Berkshire Hathaway, Warren Buffett's legendary conglomerate invested company. That Warren Buffett, as many people have noticed on Saturday, he suddenly stepped down as CEO, not unexpected, he's 94, but a very dramatic way to do it. He addressed his annual shareholders meeting and said that he was going to have. recommended the board hand over his job to Greg Abel, who's been his designated successor. Now, what he also did before that was to take aim at Donald Trump, very directly answering a question about tariffs. And as we can hear now, this language was very, very pointed.

Trade can be an act of war. And I think it's led to bad things. Just the attitudes that's brought out. And for Warren Buffett to say trade is not a weapon, was really a weapon directed, straight at Donald Trump. And if that isn't enough of a dagger to the heart, in the front row, clapping as this was, you know, clapping as this was said, was Hillary Clinton of all. And the meeting that goes on, their annual general meeting, a lot of people attend, correct? Yes, huge numbers of people attend. Tim Cook or Tim Apple, as he's known to the president, was there. Bill Ackman, the outspoken hedge fund investor. Bobby Kotick, who's a tech investor, who in many ways is one of the voices of Silicon Valley was there.

And I noticed had lost a lot of weight. I saw Bobby about six weeks ago and he had lost an enormous amount of weight. So to my own personal obsessions about GLP ones, I think Bobby Kotick has probably got some familiarity with them. He would certainly as an investor know about their impact, I think we can safely say, Either that or he's been running a lot. He's been running 100 bars a day. Joanna, I would never seek to diagnose you. I know Stephen Chung has.

He was used you as having TDS in your P-sized brain. Of course, that's a medical insight that, you know, is a matter of your privacy. But same thing for Bobby Kotick. Yes. Sorry, I'm calling you out, Bobby. The interesting thing about people who are on GLP ones is though it's very evidence to everybody that they've had dramatic weight loss. So I don't think I'm pointing out anything that anybody else hasn't said

because if you've seen him, I saw him last year, sat next to him to dinner last year, saw him six weeks ago. The change was dramatic. Anyway, good for Bobby Cotech. There's been change in the country. There's been change everywhere. There has. And then, of course, there was an interesting interview

that Trump did at the weekend with Kristen Welker, where he talked about not running for 2028, but now he seems to think that actually he might pass it on to someone else. Yeah, and this was, again, a fascinating bit of reality television because everybody had been wondering, what's Trump doing about the third term? And he said, people have just been keep asking him to run again. We don't really know if anybody has, obviously. Grown men, tears on their eyes have come up to him saying, sir, sir, please run again.

But it's no, you know, it's prohibited by the Constitution. It's really simple. You cannot have a third term. He did, in fact, create a whole new conflict by saying that the most likely successors where J.D. Vans, not a big surprise because he's Vice President. And Marco Rubio, Marco Rubio already has Mike Waltz's job. He's also the official archivist. He's the Secretary of State. And he's running USAID. So this would give him a fifth job of running for president. And of course, in Trump world, this is great because he's the secretary of state. because now there's two people who are going to be going head to head, not just in the next hundred days, but for almost three years. And what does Trump loves this show?

And he's going to love watching. So it's the great American political bake-off. It is the great political bake-off. I'm going to offer you, there's another British show that is offering itself as a comparison, and that's Monty Python. And this is quite a surprising, intervention, and it's one that I would just, Tuesday is the day that we publish our must-read

newsletter, The Swamp. I just urge everybody, go to the Daily Beast, sign up to the swamp. It comes out every Tuesday afternoon, so now is the time to get the most amazing gossip and insight in direct your inbox, but what's going on in D.C. from our team there, and their team around the world. Everybody contributes because Trump touches everything. It's all the gossip, it's all the ooze you can use. All the ooze you can use, that's fantastic. I haven't actually heard that. That's very good. In The Swamp this week is an intervention from John Cleese, who of course was one of the co-creators of Monty Python. And he has said that he's comparing the Trump administration not just to Monty Python, but he says it would have been too extreme for Monty Python. He says if Monty Python had written a farce about hopeless administration,

We would not have had, as the first man filed for serious security lapse, the National Security Advisor. We'd have not. No, that's pushing it too far. Nobody would believe it. So as Trump Mentos's the second 100 days, that's the kind of celebrity endorsement that you really want. And you certainly wouldn't have thought that the head of Homeland Security would have had her bag stolen from under her seat in the Capital Burger restaurant with a security guard on either side of us. You would have not, but we now know that there is something that might happen to that perpetrator. Donald Trump has obviously been looking for TV formats and he's found a new one, prison break. He wants to bring back Alcatraz. El Salvador was not enough. Trump, as we all know, kind of peak boomer. His references do tend to go back to the 50s and 60s. Alcatraz closed in 1962. It's been a tourist destination that I think everybody

he has been to, now he wants to bring it back and use it as a prison to bring to what he says and to bring down crime. So if you are considering committing any federal felonies, be aware you could be the next birdman of Alcatraz. Or Trump says that he often talks about the late great Alfonso Capone, who of course was without doubt the most famous inmate in Alcatraz. That's right. And of course you'll write about his references. Anyway, Hugh, you'll be back regularly with updates from The Madness. Subscribe to the swamp for the latest ooze you can use. I love that expression. And Hugh, I'll see you back in the newsroom in a few minutes. And I can guarantee you the world will have changed unrecognisably the next time I see you, Joanna.

I'm very excited now to be talking to one of our favourite correspondents, Tom Sykes. Today marks the 80th anniversary of VE Day, the end of World War II in Europe. Across Britain, crowds gathered at Buckingham Palace to witness the pomp and the ceremony honouring that historic moment. King Charles, Prince William and Kate appeared on the balcony joined by their children in a carefully orchestrated show of unity and tradition. One figure, of course, was conspicuously absent that of Prince Harry. Despite being one of the only living royals to have seen active military service, Harry was not invited. Instead, just to Days ago, he gave a blistering BBC interview that reignited his tensions with the royal family. Palace aides reportedly told the media they didn't want any Harry-shaped distractions from today's long-plan celebration. With that backdrop, we turn to the interview that now casts a shadow over what should have been a moment of national reflection. And I'm joined by the Daily Beast's European editor at large, the great Tom Sykes. He's our brains trust when it comes to all things royal.

Tom, it's great to have you. Thanks very much, Joanna. It's great to be here. Well, we're very excited to have you. And I want to go back to basics, really, which is what is Harry complaining about? And what was this particular appeal about? So this court case was supposedly all about his security. So when Harry and Megan stepped back from Royal Duties in 2020, they said they were at a hybrid

model. They wanted to be part-time royals, part-time private citizens. The Queen rejected that idea. They left fully. They moved to North America. They signed the lucrative deals with Netflix and Spotify. And just Tom, can you just remind us how lucrative they were because they were pretty lucrative, weren't they? Yeah. I mean, look, Netflix is thought, the figure of a hundred million has been thrown around. I think in reality, that's what it could be. But, you know, as with all production deals. That's contingent on delivering hits. They did deliver one huge hit. So I'm sure they got paid well for the Harry and Megan documentary. Maybe not so much money coming out of the polo film or as ever. But the book was huge. I mean, it was the, you know, it was the fastest selling book of all

time. I think it was fastest selling even than the art of the deal. It could, it could well be. I mean, look, let's not be about the bush. Those guys, you know, can make in an afternoon what the rest of us can, you know, make in a lifetime. Do you know what I mean? So like, they've made a lot of money. They've been very successful. But is it then when you're in the world of Montecito, is it a lot of money? I mean, I don't know compared to what, you know, I get the feeling that they're the poor guys on the block up there. But the point is that he lost his UK security privileges and which, which meant that basically, in the old days, whenever Harry was in the UK, whenever he went anywhere, he was accompanied by, you know, motorcycle outriders and armed guards and all that kind of stuff.

So he appealed it over and over again and he lost the final appeal. On Friday, the court of appeal said, no, you know, they were completely right to take away your automatic security. And, you know, he was incredibly upset. And I don't know, it just, It felt like a bizarre moment for to lash out, you know, straight after this sort of legal defeat that had cost him millions of dollars and that, you know, he says prevents him from ever coming back to the UK. I mean, it's all, you know, typical Harry, bullheaded, rushing in, very overdramatic, very kind of like, I can never do anything ever again, you know, and all that kind of thing. But yeah, so he's complaining about he thinks that because he was born with what he calls,

heritage risk, he says that when he comes back to the UK, him and his family should just get armed top-level guards. And the palace, well, not the palace, but technically this body called Ravik, but I think we all know, you know, the palace are involved. They say, uh-uh, buddy, if you want to come back, you've got to give us 30 days of notice. And if you're invited, we will give you security protection. Well, why can't they just invite him? I have to say, this sounds like a sort of weird, petty family argument that's somehow playing out at large. If I were a parent of a child who was facing any kind of risk, I wouldn't care about picking up their security bill. So why is the palace so determined not to pay for him? Because his mother was

killed being persecuted by paparazzi in that terrible accident in the Paris tunnel going back now to 1997. So I can see why Harry would want security. And we know there have been threats against his life because I think in the documentary, or it was either in the documentary or the book, he talked about killing people when he was posted abroad, right? Yeah. Yeah. Look, there's no doubt that there is a completely reasonable case to say that Harry, you know, who's, as he says, was born into this position, should have top level security whenever he wants. The thing that I think just astonishes me about this whole thing, I remember being called up by an ally of Harry's last year, you know, who was going on and on about it was so unfair

and the king could click his fingers and take it away. I don't have to say to this person the end of it, do you really think that Buckingham Palace with everything that Harry and Megan have done, all the conflict, do you, like, imagine if Harry had full-time security for him and his family. Today, when the focus is supposed to be on VE day, it means that Harry could have rocked up at Heathrow Airport and gone and opened a new wing of Battersea Dogs Home. Do you know what I mean?

Now, I'm not saying he would have, but as things are structured now, basically the royal family have an enormous without control about when Harry can come back, which is basically never. So they're basically saying they don't want him back? They're not because they're saying, oh, this is nothing to do that.

this is an independent body that made this finding. But I think there will be a lot of people who have sympathy for Harry when he says, this is a good old-fashioned establishment stitch up, which is what he said in the interview. I have had it described to me once people knew about the facts that this is a good old-fashioned establishment stitch-up, and that's what it feels like. What astonishes me is that Harry, having been in that institution,

like all this years, having seen, how ruthless they are, how determined they are to control the narrative, thought for one moment that it would be anything other than an establishment stitch up, quite frankly. So Tom, what is it exactly in the interview that he said that was so provocative? Well, it's one thing to say, you know, I'm upset that I've had my security taken away when I'm in the UK and I believe I deserve it. And I think a lot of people have sympathy with that. But then, typical Harry, typical, you know, getting over-emotional, over-dramatic. He launched into this. extraordinary tirade. He at one stage said that there were figures in the royal household who

wanted the same thing that happened to his mother to happen to him, that wanted history to repeat itself. That sounds so conspiratorial. Who is he talking about? Well, he hinted that they were two retired people, which seemed to suggest that they were the private secretaries of the late queen. And he's literally trying to suggest that they want him to die. He is basically saying, these people want me dead. And interestingly, this is a kind of conspiracy theory that's been around in the so-called Sussex Squad for quite a long time. Very interesting to see Harry sort of giving it rocket boosters.

The thing that he said that really upset the palace was he said, I don't know how long my father has left. Because he has cancer. Has cancer. Now, look, the reality is that everybody knows, that the succession plans are gearing up. No one's really expecting to. Charles to live, you know, more than three or four years. And I mean that in the context of that when

he came to the throne, people, people definitely felt that he could live till he was the age of his mother, who was 94, or his father who was 99. So people definitely thought it was kind of 20 years of the King Charles era. And I think people much more now think it's, you know, going to be like a five, six year reign, something like that. But what Harry said was he said, I don't know how long he has left because he won't speak to me. To say that on the BBC, for the king's son to say that on the BBC, when the palace have literally spent the last year going, the king's fine, you know, he's going to be fine and he's going to carry on working. Because, and then, look, everybody knows, you know, Charles himself has made jokes about it and he's

made less, you know, he said, I don't, I hope I will survive. He said, he said all these kinds of things. Charles is very aware that he has cancer. He is having weekly treatment. But the public perception, the public messaging has been, let's not. let the fact that this narrative about my health and my story just detract from the work that I want to do. So let's all just, you know, put on a brave face and get on with it. And to have your son go on the BBC and say, I don't know how long he has left because he won't speak to me. It was just extraordinary. Who the hell is advising this guy? I mean, also, like, who would do an interview on like one of the worst days of their life? Who thinks that is a good idea? I don't know.

I know what, I've had a really terrible day, a really upsetting day, I've just lost two million dollars, I've just been told I can never have hacked to the country of my birth. I know what I'm going to do, I'm going to give an interview to the BBC. You know, you're going to look angry, you're going to look bitter. I know that there's probably an argument that he wanted to get the narrative out there and all of that. So the basic question, Tom, why can't he just pay for his own security? Well, exactly. I mean, he can. He can totally pay for his own security.

He can pay for a nice private house. and he totally could, but he's backed himself into a corner now because he's saying, I can't come, I can't come, they're trying to control me. So if something goes, well, I can't come and just turns up, it sort of exposes him as, you know, having exaggerated matters, shall we say. So when was the last time that Harry's children, Lillipette and Archie, saw their grandfather, who is after all the King of England? I mean, it's really, really awful, but Lilibet has only met Charles once during the Placombin Jubilee.

And she must have been a baby at that stage. For like 20 minutes, I believe. I think that Archie, you know, has had a few, a bit more contact, but definitely not since the Placom Jubilee. You know, nothing. And it's just, it's just like, I just keep thinking, like, are they going to turn around one day and go, Mom, Dad, is my grandfather the king of England? That's also going to just be a surreal moment, isn't it? So Tom, you broke a very good story last week about William being determined that when he becomes king, he will strip Megan and Harry of their royal titles.

Can you just give us a bit more detail? William absolutely loathes Harry. He despises Megan. Him and his circle completely blame Megan for what has happened. William feels so betrayed by Harry. They had such a close bond as kids. Like, people who knew them when they were kids, you know, describe this incredibly close bond,

the terrible tragedy with their mother, and the sort of weird, slightly distant father, you know, that actually Harry captured so well in his memoir, spare, you know, it's the most brilliant. The first third of that book, I would say, is one of the best books ever written. And if Harry had stopped after the, the first that. It's so brilliant. It describes being at Balmoral, and Charles, it's like,

you open a door and you'll accidentally knock over Charles because he's behind it doing a headstand because he's a headstand. And, you know, there's waiters arriving while they're having with the fish fingers under the silver closh that they pull off with the fish fingers. You know, and it's all so brilliant. But just, sorry, I've got off the point. But yeah, so they had this, they were so close, those guys. You know, the hacking trial we got to hear all these phone conversations between them and taking the Mickey out of each other just just so close and such good mates and it's yeah it's just unbelievably sad and and so William feels basically like Charles has not been assertive enough

he understands that it's different with your kids you know and he respects Charles he respects Charles his rank is how it's often put put to me Charles is the boss at the moment and Charles thinks it's not the right thing to take the HRH off them. Now, taking the HRH off them is a very, very easy thing to do. The monarch can effectively, could effectively just say, I am removing the HRH from these people. It would just be an edict or a proclamation. Taking the title, the Duke of Duchess of Sussex, is more difficult and will not be done.

Like, there are plenty of dukes and duchesses. But there's very few people with the title, HrRH. Very, very few. You know, so it is a real thing. and the problem is that Megan, they agreed with the Queen that they would stop using the title, full stop. They just agreed, we will not use the title anymore. But Megan has started using it again. And this is a massive insult.

It's a massive slack in the face. It's very provocative. It's a big rattling of the cage. And it's also kind of weird, like, you know, like the whole irony of the whole Megan thing. of like how awful the royal family were and yet, you know, wants to be an HRH. And by the way, I have no doubt that multiple people in the royal family,

in the royal household were, you know, prejudiced towards Megan. And bullying towards her. I mean, Tina Brown makes the very good point in her book, The Palace Papers, that Megan and Harry didn't seem to know what they were doing when they gave up the very thing that made them special. which is they were members of the royal family because now they're just like any other sea list celebrities

scrabbling around for something to make them relevant when all along they had this exceptional unique title. And certainly in as ever Megan's news show on Netflix is a moment which I know we've discussed where Mindy Kaling calls her Megan Markle and says, well, well, Megan Markle, kind of look at you and Megan goes, actually it's Megan Sussex, it's Megan Sussex, which feels unnecessary actually to slightly dress down your friend over giving

you the wrong name. Can they still use the name Sussex if they lose HRH? Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, that's completely fine. Like, that is not unusual. Like you'll often, or Eddie Norfolk, well, do you know what I mean? All that kind of thing. So bizarre. English people are so bizarre. These traditions are so odd. They're so odd. And that is normal. So the Sussex thing is not in danger. It's the HRH. Which that's not actual title. It's called a style. But it's,

it's, you know, the HRH is very rare. It is very valuable and it is very dangerous if it gets devalued. And I think William's point is that they have devalued it and they have betrayed it. And it can be removed very easily and it should be. And I think also for William, it's where just drawing a line under the whole thing.

It's like, stop going on about reconciliation. Let's just, let's just not talk about this anymore. We're taking the HRH off you. good luck see you later you know so yeah he's going to do it he is going to do it and i think it will be done i'm told it's going to be done very quickly in much the same way as camilla was simply suddenly became queen camilla after charles took uh ascended to the threat now queen elizabeth

was very helpful because she said she would like her to be known as queen consort so for about three and a half weeks she was known as Queen Cornwall. And suddenly she just became Queen Camilla. And that's it because Charles just said, I am King Charles and she is Queen Camilla. Well, do you want to have an argument with the King? As Harry has proved in this ridiculous court case,

you know, one person not to pick a fight with over. Right. Off with their heads. Off with their heads. Tom, as ever you shine light on a complicated nuanced story. Thank you. And the one thing I did think watching the interview was how good Harry's hair transplant was. I mean, for the longest time, there were pictures of him looking as if he was going to go as bald as William, who really is as boiled as an egg. And suddenly Harry's hair is, it's like a bush on his head.

Can I tell you what I thought, looking at it, which is I just felt it was so incredibly sad that this could have been an incredibly consequential guy. that he was such a preeminent voice for the environment, for mental health. He was such an amazing advocate and he could have been such an influential, consequential person. If they'd just been a little bit more patient, if they'd just bit their tongues and waited and just being patient, they could have had this, you know, roles don't have to do anything. They don't have to be interesting. They don't have to be a hit. All they have to do is weight, quietly, you know, until the time had come. And I just think it's, he's just a very, very diminished figure now. And I'm afraid he'll just become less and less important, much like Edward the

eighth just became less and less important. And at the end, you know, people in my generation barely even knew who Edward VIII was. Oh dear. Well, family is complicated, right? Very complicated. And you can see clearly sibling rivalry and this extraordinary accession to the throne has destroyed what was once a wonderful relationship with two brothers. As the mother of two sons, I just feel for them. It's so sad. Did you see rivalry between George and Louis today? I did not. Go ahead.

Apps is so fascinating. Oh my goodness. It starts and Ellie what happened. The day to kick off George. George, who is the older one. Yes, who is the heir. Right. Who will eventually inherit the throne after William. Who is the heir.

sort of puffs at his hair. He goes and blows his hair up off his eyes. And Louis looks at him and blows his hair like, like, you're such an idiot. And then George gives him what Paddington Bear would have described as a very hard stare and pushes his hair with his hand like that. And Louis gives him a very hard stare back and pushes his hair like that. And then George leans over and appears to report Louis in Parliament.

And father seems saying, yeah, yeah, all right, lads. That sounds like very boy behaviour to me. It sounds very normal behaviour. Maybe the last normal thing they do. Tom, you're a terrific correspondent. As always, bringing us the latest from this of viparous, your word, I think that you use from time to time, which I always enjoy, this viparous family.

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