The Daily Beast Podcast - Will Trump’s Fake White House Have a Churro Bar? An Omelette Station? Or Both?

Episode Date: December 15, 2020

It’s getting near closing time for the Trumps at the White House—Monday’s electoral college vote made that official. Which means folks like Ivanka Trump have to GTFO and find themselves new careers.  It might be a bit tricky, Daily Beast contributor and Hysteria host Erin Gloria Ryan explains. Just about everybody hates Ivanka these days—well, except for a handful of Fox-addled octogenarian creepers. That corporate feminism she used to try to embody? That “Hallmark feminism where there's absolutely no substance behind any of the things that she's saying”? It might’ve worked before. In the dying days of 2020, it just makes everyone gag. And the only thing worse is her “naked desire for her to be seen as an American princess. We literally fought a war so we wouldn't have to live in a monarchy,” Erin tells Molly Jong-Fast on the latest episode of The New Abnormal.  So she’s settling into a new little palace in Miami. Meanwhile, daddy will be just down the road, setting up shop in his bizarroworld castle, Mar-a-Lago. Jong-Fast and Rick Wilson think it’s only a matter of time before Trump cultists start treating Dear Leader’s place like the real White House—and Donnie looks for new ways to extract cash from his megafans.  “I’m wondering how much it costs to get him to sign your boobs,” Molly says. “Free—if you stop at the churro bar,” Rick answers. “There's going to be an omelet station for sure,” Molly counters. “Or a station and you'll get to say mean things to Eric.”  But before the festivities begin, there are still a few remaining questions: How many more cabinet members will Trump fire on his way out? How many more Trumpists will declare war on the GOP? Will Donald try to smuggle any Oval Office tchotchkes in his pants? “I'm still curious to know,” Molly says, “does Trump get dragged out of the White House or does he go to Mar-a-Lago and just forget to come back?” Want more? Become a Beast Inside member to enjoy a limited-run series of bonus interviews from The New Abnormal. Guests include Cory Booker, Jim Acosta, and more. Head to newabnormal.thedailybeast.com to join now. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hi folks, it's Rick Wilson, and welcome to The Daily Beast's The New Abnormal. Hi, I'm Molly Jongfast, a left-wing pundit and editor-at-large at the Daily Beast. I'm also an editor at The Daily Beast, a former Republican political strategist, best-selling author, and full-time troublemaker. We're here to have fun, sharp conversations with some of the smartest people in media, politics, business, and science that help make what's happening in the country and the world clearer. I'll try to keep Rick to the minimum number of F-bombs and try to keep our... kids, pets, and other wildlife sounds from invading our respective bunkers. Hi, Rick Wilson. Good afternoon, Molly Jungfast. How are you?

Whatever fucking time, day, week, and eternity we're living in in this twisted fuck-a-doodle timeline of enormous right-wing. What day is it? Quick. Well, while we're recording this, it's the 17th of the month of fuckery. That's right. I know it well. I know and I live it and I love it.

That's right. Yeah, but I will say this. Today is the day where the Electoral College gathered in their several states, as they say, and cast their votes confirming the decision of their citizenry in these various states. And of course, as you know, Donald Trump has been named to a second term as president. A glorious second term. The second of many. Oh, wait.

I'm sorry. Wait a second. Wait a skiff. In fact, it weren't the other way. In fact, today, America, Joseph Robinette Biden and Kamala Harris were named as president and vice president of the United States of America by the venerable and venerated electoral college. Donald Trump, despite having promised for what seems now like, I don't know, an epic, did not somehow win the electoral college, even though his highly competent team, his strike force, if you will. dumps. Wasn't it the dumps? Apparently there were no massive dumps today to save him. And as much as Donald likes a massive dump and resembles one, he could not close the deal with the Electoral College. I thought he was the master of dealmaking. And the Electoral College said, why no, thank you, Donald. You may return to your previous role as seller of gimcrack merchandise on infomercials and reality TV hustler. Shitty wine.

Do we think he thought he could settle the electoral college? Like how he thought he could settle with Mueller? I think he thought he could bully the electoral college. I will sue the electoral college for not treating me fairly. They're very, very cruel to me and not fair at all. My favorite event today was Stephen Miller this morning on the president's favorite morning show. We call Stephen Miller Santa Monica Goebbels. And I would like to say one thing before we talk about this.

He's not doing the hair in the can anymore. He's not even bothering. He's checked out. I saw it this morning. He looked like a shaved ferret. Did we not think this is a post-Juliani dripping on live TV thing? Yeah, that's what I was. Well, I don't know.

He did hair in a can on Meet the Press once. And it was so striking that I think he never got over that, you know, you can't go from no hair to a full shellacked head of spray paint without some people notice that. Right. But Stephen Miller, senior advisor, tells Fox that in all, alternate slate of electors. Oh, an alternate slate of electors.

Like alternative facts, but was alternative. Yes, exactly. I will cast their ballots to elect Donald Trump. Well, as our friend George Conway said today, it's only a matter of time before they name Marlago as the actual alternate White House. Don't you see that happening now? Of course. Good Lord.

Like it's going to be like tour the real White House or tour the real White House. or toward the real whiteout. Sunday, Sunday, Sunday. Here's a real whiteout in Mar-a-bago. You'll see for a lawn you wearing nothing but a... Donald Trump and a monster golf cart. He'll be leaping over Stephen Miller. I wonder how much it cost to get him to sign your boobs.

Free? Free if you stop at the choro bar on the way in. That's right. There's going to be an omelette station for sure. For sure. I'm with station and you'll get to, you know, you'll get to say... I'm sure about. I'm telling you.

Mean things to Eric. Who doesn't say mean things to Eric? For an extra ten bucks. Yeah. I say mean things to Eric all the time. Oh, I don't. He blocked me. So what do we think?

Today, it's Election Day, Part 1,0.5, Groundhog's Day. It's election. Trump is now lost. Trump has now lost the election. The final part. It's the final. And it's the final. And it's still.

Day one of vaccines in America. Day one for vaccines. Thank you, Pfizer. Thank you, Maduro. Thank you everybody who's got their shit together, who's busting their asses to make this happen. A mere month, no, a mere week after the UK got it, but it's better late than never, right?

I'll take it no matter. Listen, I don't care if it's a couple days behind the UK. I just care that we get it shot directly into our veins because I don't know about you, but I'm fucking sick of this virus. I'm still curious to know, does Trump get dragged out of the White House? Or does he go to Mar-Lago and just forget to come back? Well, I think he goes to Mar-a-Wago and says things like,

the White House was never very nice, very low-quality, not very classy. I had to go somewhere else because while the fake President Biden is there, I'm not going to stay in a place like that that just doesn't have the kind of amenities I'm used to. I'm cold running corn stars, velour, toilet seat covers, Leo fish machines. I could go on, you know. I know, asshole. You could do a whole hour of this.

No, no, I would think I would be like by minute 35, I would kill myself. But I would enjoy it until that. Yes. So we have the electors. We have 300,000 dead today. Yeah, we do. Which is like a pretty grim milestone. We have a whole highway of grim milestones, unfortunately, at this point.

And that speaks to the degree to which we've kind of become just ground down by this thing. Yeah. I mean, I think, and the other thing that I think is actually really real, which we haven't talked enough about. And I think it's got a real misnomer. But I think a lot of us are really suffering from pandemic fatigue. And I don't... Not you, Rick, obviously. No, no, no.

I'm definitely suffering from pandemic fatigue. Trust me. I mean, I just think it's dark. I mean, where I am, it's getting cold. And I think that, you know, even though there's hope on the horizon, it's very hard for a lot of people to look down the Christmas that's coming and not feel incredibly shitty. It's true. It's true. I mean, there is, there's no doubt that we are a country now desperate to return to some vague kind of normalcy.

We're desperate for it. The whole country is desperate for it. And we're still a few months out from it. Right. It's still a good haul between now and then. We're not there yet by a long shot. Rick Wilson? Yes, Molly.

You know what happened this weekend? Yes, the Insel Ablaitung arrived in D.C. The Browshire? Rick, you got to explain the joke because people didn't get the joke. In pre- and Nazi Germany, there was an organization that Hitler had called the S.A. The Sturm-Ablightung. So brown shirts. No, well, it meant storm unit.

And they were the brown shirts. And they were, for a while, the steel helmets and then the brown shirts. A lot of them were either World War I vets or wannabe World War I vets. What you saw in D.C., and you've seen it popping up around the country in the last couple of months, the increasing number of the Insulphite Club, all these guys from, you know, the proud boys, the boogalus, the various, you know, the various 3% mafia, whatever. the fuck these guys are, right? You've seen them start to appear more and more, and they were, they were in full effect in D.C. this weekend, tearing off, tearing Black Lives Matter banners off of historically black churches, you know, as the founders intended.

I mean, in case you're wondering if they're racist, they're racist. I don't think there are many people who are still wondering about that. Right. But, yeah, and look, they also deliciously, I mean, I was long on popcorn for this one. these guys were also giving speeches like a little Nazi Nick Fuentes. We fascist Nick Fuentes. Is he very short or is that just an honor? I don't even know what Heidi is. I just think of him as a small person.

Lil. Like Marco. Lil Nick Fuentes. He went out and was giving a roaring speech to his various proud boy audience members saying, it's time to burn down the GOP. I wish you all the best, Nick. You are fine American. I hope you'll pursue your dreams and make them real.

I do have to say, though, I do love Republican-un-Republican crime. It's not even crime. It's just pure, like, hate sex. Yeah, I don't mind that. These guys are just, you know, they're going to it. You're talking about because this crowd was chanting, destroying the GOP this weekend. Oh, yeah, they're playing, chain and destroy the GOP.

These guys want to, because the GOP won't defend Trump and won't go to war and won't sort of civil war over Trump, they think that they haven't been loyal enough to the dear leader. And so they're going into this new phase of their lives. And look, Trump even sort of hinted at it himself today in that tweet, where he said, oh, Brian Kemp is such a loser, da-da-da-da, and he may regret it when two senators aren't elected from Georgia, whatever it was. He said, I don't remember the exact tweet, but he clearly was saying,

was saying, that's a nice house you got there. It'd be a shame if you didn't have any fire insurance. And, you know, something happened to it. Maybe something in the garage about two in the morning. I mean, it could happen. You could die in a bathtub. So what do you think is going on? Well, look, I think that part of this is a hissy fit

and part of this performative horse shit, you know, tween Nazi drama. I didn't want to go to the prom with the Republican Party anyway. Stupid prom. I'm going to go with my Canadian girlfriend who's really far right in a supermodel. But what do you think? Happens now, Rick Wilson. Look, I think that the schism inside the GOP is accelerating. We saw a member of

the GOP from the great state of Michigan leave the party today over this stuff. Can you explain a little more about that? Because I don't even know about that. And I... Shout out to Paul Mitchell, former Republican, member of Congress, who said him done. With all the violence or with the... It's the claiming the election was fraudulent. It's the violence. It's the Trumpism. that was not what he represented. So is he still in Congress or is he retired? Because I feel like when retired, people do it, it's a little less. He's still in Congress.

He's still in Congress. He is indeed retiring. Shouldn't the Lincoln Party start a place for those people to go? It's not a party. It's a super PAC. Right. But if there were such a party as the Lincoln Party, there'd be no party like the Lincoln Party.

Wait, sell us on it. Because the Lincoln Party, it's lit. I like how you pivoted from it doesn't exist to... Well, it's purely a hypothetical idea right now. His letter to Ronna McDaniel and his letter to Kevin McCarthy was very clear. He came at this as a conservative, and he said, you know, the conspiracy bullshit, it's got to stop. You're tearing the country apart. The court, you know, the Supreme Court is not here to simply, you know, rubber stamp, whatever comes out of Donald Trump's, you know, brain farts, du jour.

Those were his words. Those were mine. And he took apart the arguments that Michigan went away from Trump because of cheating. He walked through and basically said, you're losing Oakland County. You can't win Oakland. You're bleeding out in Oakland County. You can't bleed out in Wayne, Oakland and McComb County in Michigan and win a statewide race, whether you're Donald Trump or not. So anyway, he basically said, you know, that Trump has become too radical. And the things are doing are too damaging to the country. And a lot of our listeners, to put it mildly, are not terribly sympathetic to conservatives. But I would encourage you to think hard. This is a guy who was elected from a very conservative part of a pretty conservative state who has taken a bold moral position. And if you want to go back and relitigate every vote he's ever had, okay, that's your prerogative. Or if you think that people, regardless of their past, should split off from a party that is ruled by Donald Trump and that is objectively becoming a authoritarian, fascist authoritarian party objectively, then you might want to pat the guy

on the back a little bit. You don't have to agree with his policies. He did the right thing as an American and as an elected representative. And look, he'll have a hard time winning that seat again, okay? But really? Yeah, he will. Even in two years? Well, hopefully not in two years. years, they'll probably try to recall him. There'll be a whole bunch of other shenanigans. It's still very early in this, in this moment. But the other part of this to remember, he voted with Trump 95% of the time. He was a party line guy. Yeah. And I know there's at least one other member who I spoke to today. A member of Congress? Yes, another member of Congress. Shall you break some news with us today? I cannot break that news yet because this person has not made his final final. But I will tell you it's a he, which is not really a solving much of your mystery. since... Yeah, I was going to say since all Republican are men. So it's not Liz Cheney? Well, listen, I mean, again, I'm going to piss off our listeners. Liz Cheney was abundantly clear about this shit last week. She came right out and said it bluntly.

Biden won. This is ridiculous. Stop it. Right. I know that a lot of our listeners will never, ever, ever forgive her for her last name, but she has been one of the few voices in the Republican Party that has said, not just this time, but a few other times, hey, guys, this isn't us. Can I just be devil's advocate from here for one second? I think she has, but how much of that is because she has a lot of power? She has a last name. I mean, like, if you think about McCain, too.

But here's the thing. Here's the thing. Inside the Republican caucus as it exists today, this was a fatal decision on her part. She will now not be the speaker, even if Kevin McCarthy, did you think so? What got whacked by a train, they will now, the Trumpists will now say she's not loyal to Trump, and there is enough of the Republican caucus that will under no circumstances support anyone for a leadership position unless they were 100% on board for Trump at all times.

So, yeah, once again, if your last name is Cheney and you're not conservative enough for today's GOP, right, that's something. It should tell you that this GOP is not a conservative. conservative party any longer. It's a Trump party. Yeah. Let's pick up on that in the other direction, though. So we're seeing the hardest right of the hard right now saying the GOP has abandoned them. Do we think there's any chance that this Trump party emerges or are they smart enough to know that they need each other? Yeah, that's a really good question, Jesse, Kenham. I think that all comes down to Donald Trump himself. So he needs to

behave rationally? Will he behave like a rational person? Sorry, go on. Oh, so many people in D.C. have done that for so long now. I'm almost bored with it. Dan Dresner is hilarious. That thing he's tweeted, I don't know, what is like a thousand times now? Four years.

For five years, like a thousand, whatever it is, many, many thousand times or whatever. It's, you know, I'll believe the president is growing into the job when it's made stop. Yeah. Yeah. As to always, you know, I'll believe Trump is going to grow into the job. when he stops acting like a goddamn psychopath and a bully to everyone all the time. Is it possible that Trump, like, there's a split between the GOP and Trump? Yes, absolutely.

Listen, I can tell you, from knowledge, forming a third party that gets on a presidential ballot in this country is really tough, okay? There are legal hurdles that either party will bring up if they feel that a third party will hurt them. Okay. But now, if Trump decides to go on and start the Trump Party, which I will tell you, I could easily see that pathway in their heads, easily see how that would happen. If Trump says, I'm going to start the Trump Party, goes out and goes into the states, and they do the petitions, which in most states is what you have to do, they'll easily have the petitions, and they won't get the normal pushback inside of the legislative process or the executive process in states with the Republican governor, because those. people will be afraid of pissing Trump off. Or they will be eager little beavers to try to get on the ground floor of the Trump party.

Right. But you know, that could be great for Democrats if they split the party. I mean, they'll never win again ever. Yeah, well, shh, quiet. Sorry, I mean, it would be great for them. Congratulations. It would really prove how strong they are, how strong they are and how much the liberal shill-cuck stooge deserve to be punished.

Yeah. But it does seem to me like the rational Republicans, it seems harder and harder to imagine them ever taking back anything, especially if Trump is going to run again. Yeah. Yeah. No, I don't disagree with you. I think that's exactly what's going to happen. I think that's exactly what Republicans should fear the most, but they can't make themselves process any longer. Risk factors.

They can't. They don't understand risk anymore. And because- What do you mean? Can you explain that a little more? They cannot wake up in the morning and say, if I put my dick in this toaster oven and turn it on, it will hurt. This is such a very good, Rick Wilson.

As one does. But they can't know. They literally cannot process risk. So they say, It's a problem a lot of people deal with. I mean, I've made the rattlesnake analogy on the show. I'm not going to make it again. Everybody understands the rattlesnesty.

Tasteful. Some say elegant. Indeed. The difficulty with understanding what it means to destroy your party is they can't do it. They're either too opportunistic or too cowardly. The ones that understand it intellectually, you know, they have a plan. And one of the people that understands it, by the way, is Mitch. He has a plan. They all have a plan where they're going to publicly proclaim that they had to do this. They had to be with Trump. They were with Trump. Trump was great. Trump was

all-knowing, all-seeing, wise and benevolent, you know, orange god. And privately, They're already, a lot of them, or already have their press people out pitching stories quietly like, you should ask Congressman Smith about the time he told Mark Meadows. No way. I'll stand against Donald Trump on this issue because I'm so brave. Well, he didn't have to do it, but, you know, they're pitching that shit right now like crazy. Okay. I always say this. You're going to try to run Trumpism through the car wash and they're going to all try to be the ones who pretend that they were the bold, strong leaders who kept, the Republican Party together. And, you know, Trump was just an aberration. And now they're going to fix it. Get back to their true calling. But I don't understand if Trump's going to run again in four years, which he is. Which he is. Then he is going to be the head of the Republican Party for the next four years.

He's going to be the Republican Party head until he dies. Right. I do. So those people, aren't those people just going to keep sucking up to him? A lot of them will. A lot of them were ambitious. A lot of them are hoping that the actuarial tables and a high cholesterol diet will kill Trump before 2024. Right, the next four years. But even still, wouldn't Junior be the next one? Absolutely. Trump can be on his deathbed and he'll lean down and he'll whisper into Stephen Miller's ear. Don Jr.

Right. The death. I don't see a world where this is like, I mean, Junior's next, man. There's no way Marco is next. My favorite thing this weekend was Roger Stone on. parlor saying, I'm not all parlor. Somebody tweeted it that that he was going to run against Rick Scott

because he knows of Vonka's got a primary little Marco. That was amazing. But you know, but by the way, Vanka Primering Little Marco, like as much as I hate everyone involved will be amazing. Yeah. Delicious.

Delicious. Right. Erin Gloria Ryan is a Daily Beast contributor as well as the host of Crooked Media's hysteria podcast. Recently, you wrote a brilliant, brilliant piece that is like so lyrical and brilliant. And we were hoping you could read all of it or some of it or whatever you feel like. Sure. Well, Molly, I'm not a poet by trade. I'm just a smart ass. But this is my first foray into poetry and I'm really happy with how it turned out. So I'm going to go ahead

and read. Well deserved, I might add. I'm going to go ahead and read this poem. Oh, the places Ivanka won't go. Go fuck yourself. Today ate your day. You're out of the White House. You're off and away. You're deposed in D.C. Macy's won't sell your shoes. And if you run for office, you're certain to lose. You're on your own and you know what you know. And now you've got to figure out where to go. You'll return to Manhattan. It's worse than you fear. At each gala, they'll whisper, get the hell out of here. With your head full of brains and your shoes full of You'll fear spit in your food when you go out to eat. And your alma mater, the vaunted you pen on their campus.

They won't want your face there again. Out there, things can happen and frequently do to people who banked as much bad karma as you. To a cruel asshole using her kids for likes while her daddy's locking up little migrant tikes, there's no making up for these things you help to do. Oh, where will you go? I'm sorry to say, but sadly, it's true that in state crimes and local, Daddy can't pardon you. So New York states out they don't like the vulgarity of a family that steals from a kid cancer charity. How about old Europe? Could you hang with McCrone? Nope. The leaders

there think you're a dummy and con. But I stand up for women, you may insist. Several Chinese pass grip tightly in fist. If you look at approvals, I'm sorry to say, less than one third of women feel that way. Despite all your dithering, you are not able to give more women a seat at the table. In fact, women lost ground under your watch. Your empowerment efforts were nothing but botched. And people your age, sorry, princess, the truth. Is it 73% of us find you uncouth. Oh, where will you go? You can try South Dakota. Far from your troubles legal, unfortunately, you might have to talk to poor people. And in the Midwest, they don't care for winers unless you like to spend time hanging out in sad diners.

Plus, thanks in part to your husband, the adult in the Dakotas, are a lot of safe. folk. Skip the Dakotas. There's a better place. The West Coast where doctors can maintain your face. Unfortunately, the coastals don't take kindly to fascists, even ones with beautiful, long eyelashes. You will sit in the place in America's hearts between paper cuts and elevator farts. You will try to return. You will want to come back, but you're an unqualified political hack who does interviews in a weird, childish voice and has already said that she's anti-choice.

We're all fed up. We're going to be. We're tired of you. We want you to go. We can't wait till you do. We'd like you to leave on a bus or a plane or hop in the mail or get on a train or like the snowflake you are fly off into snow. We do not care where. We just want you to go. Oh, the places you won't go. Your career is done, but congrats first daughter, you had a good run. Maybe magic awaits you on QVC. It's amazing the crap they can sell on TV. Because daughter of losery loser who lost, I'm afraid that sometimes bad deeds come with a cost. All alone, whether you like it or not, alone will be something, you'll be quite a lot. So the Midwest is out and the West Coast won't take you, but maybe there's one place that will not

forsake you. Go to Florida. A place that is surely not sinking. Your neighbor, Tom Brady, stands next door on blinking. An island of rich guys and their tacky wives, an island of only the most mattering lives. No more pretending you care about others. Finally, finally, you'll have all your druthers. You won't have to pretend that you're on vacation the next time your dad endorses Aryan nation. No more booze, no more jeers, or electoral defeats. You're finally living among the elites. And back on the mainland, where things are not fine, your time in the White House will be a punchline. And will you recede? Yes, you will indeed. 98 and 3 fourths percent guaranteed. So, be your name Mick, Hogan Gidley, or Conway, take a walk off a short pier.

Please take the long way. You're out of the White House. Today is your day. We don't care. where you go, just get on your way. That's great. Excellent. That is great. Why is Ivanka so terrible? Because why do we hate her so much? Because every single thing you said, I thought. You know, I think that at some point in the near future, like 10 years from now,

somebody will write a PhD thesis on Ivanka's cultural legacy. and the reason that she just kind of hit all the wrong notes for so many people. I think the issue is, if I had to boil it down, it's a combination of the fact that she is oblivious in a way that presents her as a person that is good in the same degree that she's actually bad. It's sort of, it's like worse than the emperor has no clothes. It's like the emperor is not only naked and taking clothes away from other people. they believe that they've like started a clothing charity where they're giving clothes away.

Yeah. Beyond that. It's and it like it really, I always, even before this, I think that I was always kind of annoyed by like conference feminism. Yes. Like convention feminism where women wear like pumps the same color as their skin, which is usually white. And they get on a stage and they have a roundtable about like, you know, start becoming.

Having it all. Yeah, or like becoming a self-made billionaire. Like that's somehow uplifting to women just because a woman did it. I've always kind of had a blue-collar chip on my shoulder about that. And Ivanka just kind of embodies the worst of it. She's sort of like, it's like hallmark feminism where there's like absolutely no substance behind any of the things that she's saying and she just kind of wants credit for it anyway. And that it's like worse.

I feel like her inaction is it's worse than doing nothing. It's like the opposite of nothing, but she still thinks she's great. And it's just, it's, it's that. It's also the sort of kind of naked desire for her to be seen as an American princess. We literally fought a war so we wouldn't have to live in a monarchy. So I don't, it's a whole bunch of things, but I think the main thing is like her kind of thinking that she's helping when really she's hurting. The thing I'm always struck by, and I'm curious to know what you think of this idea, is that

Junior is like a working class hero. And you touched on this before. And Ivanka is like this ivory tower. I mean, she's not, obviously, but like princess. And they grew up in the same house three years apart. But they have like tapped into these totally different socioeconomic fantasies. And I'm just curious to know what you, if you see that and what you think of that and if that's some of why we hate her so much. Yeah, I guess I think it's both.

Both of those, like, fictions are carefully cultivated. And, you know, their dad is a brand more than anything else. So, of course, he gave birth to three little brands. And then, like, you know, a couple of kids who are you mostly feel sorry for. What's Eric's brand, stupid? Gumbs? Eric is a little bit more, you know, I think that Eric is smarter than Don Jr., honestly. What?

Yeah, I think that I think that. This is the hardest take we've gotten in the world. I know. I think he's all smarter than Don Jr., I also think that he's a little bit of, he's a bad person. They're all bad people. Yeah. I think he's a slightly better person than his two older siblings.

I think Eric is like a little bit, a little bit better. I think his brand is like, I'm a businessman. That's right. He's something that like, so Don Jr. is like a guy who, you know, goes elk hunting and doesn't know how to sit on a rock. Yeah. And Ivanka is like the type of woman that would look up to Ivanka in the night. think does look up to Ivanka is one who's several decades older than her.

Right. And who lives in a town that doesn't have, you know, any five-star restaurants, but believes herself to be better than everybody else that she's surrounded with. I think Eric is like the guy that like the number one realtor in Ohio's fourth largest county, like fancied himself like in Eric Trump. But he's like, he's like, I think it was a David Cross joke that that Donald Trump is like a rich guy or like what hobos think rich guys are.

You know, like Eric Trump is sort of like what nobody who's like really a successful businessman would look at Eric Trump and be like, that's a businessman. And nobody who's really like a successful urban woman would look at Ivanka and be like, I want to be just like her. It's for people that have no

fucking idea of what those worlds are. And it's kind of selling a fiction. So I think the fiction of it all kind of contributes to it. But you know, But when I was writing this, I was looking into her cue scores, you know, because every once in a while, there'll be like an approval, like, oh, Ivanka's approval rating, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. And I was looking at like, you know, do people actually like her?

And actually the people that like Avon, I think she has like a 38% overall approval rating. And among women, it's something like 29% or something like that. The people that like Ivanka are not Ivanka's target demo. It's like old Fox News watching type people. Right. So I'm not even sure. what her audience is because it's like, you know, the people that she's trying to sell this shit to aren't buying. And the people that are buying, she has really nothing to sell to them. I'm not positive,

like, what her move is. I don't, I think that she really wants to be like a millennial, like an icon and, you know, she's not, you know, statistically, millennials don't like her. Statistically, people that she would run into at like a gala in Manhattan find her repugnant. And women don't like her. So it's just, I don't know what she's quite going for. It's interesting to hear you talk about the kind of the visceral dislike of her, because I also have that. The thing that I was think about is she speaks in this corporate feminist, very white feminist way

that is like where she uses all these kind of McKinsey buzzwords, like inclusion. And, you know, even you see her Twitter. It's like she's tweeting about like, Snap, being able to use Snap at a farmer's market, and like last week, she spent $30 million on 1.64 acres. So it just strikes me as kind of, it is sort of this amazing world, this sort of white feminism in its worst implications. So, you know, I'm glad to hear you say that. You know, I do see that a lot. Yeah, I mean, I think like intersectionality has become something that is completely unavoidable and not that it should be avoided.

But it's like you cannot be a feminist and not have some understanding of how that like intersects with everything else. And to imagine that you can sort of use tweezers to just kind of take out the pretty pieces that you like and not have to confront anything that makes you uncomfortable and not have to confront anything that points out that you're complicit or that you benefit from a system that has caused a lot of pain and suffering is like it's just like it's stupid. And it's like, and, you know, I'm not like an academic. I'm sure like an academic feminist would have a lot of valuable stuff to say about this. But I understand that like, you know, if you're a white woman and you're a feminist, part of that is having an uncomfortable confrontation with yourself and saying like, okay, the reality is I'm benefiting from this system that is harming people. How do I help elevate these people? How do I help them dismantle it? with the understanding that I might have to step back from some things.

And like, Ivanka just, I've never seen her. Another thing, it's like, I've never seen her lend her platform or appear to be trying to open doors or reach down the ladder and help anybody up behind her. It's all completely about her. You know, it's not like she's opening doors for women. It's not like she's started an office at the White House of like women's economic empowerment that includes several high visibility women that don't look like her. Right.

Or even high visibility women at all. Yes. It's just her. Exactly. Exactly. It's sort of like the, you know, the one woman who gets to be in every action movie. It's like she kind of understands the world as like a series of like mostly dude clicks with one chill girl who gets to be part of it. And it's just so antithetical to what is.

is necessary for any form of progress. Eric, you've been covering this horrors of this administration podcasting just like us. The things that I've been joking with friends about is, you know, we have stages of grief normally and now we have a stage of relief. I want to see which stage of relief you're at. I think I cycled through the relief stages pretty quickly. Like as soon as it was clear that Biden was going to win, I was like, how can I glass half empty this?

How can I figure, you know, I'm worried about the Senate. I'm worried about progressive goals, getting bad. buried in the service of this like invisible made up centrist voter that like owns a speedboat dealership in Iowa or whatever. You know, I'm worried in Iowa, the, you know, mecca of speed voting. I know. It's going to say, I feel like he has bigger problems. Yeah, well, I mean, he's the forgotten man. Everybody's forgotten about the state boat dealer in Iowa. I think that a lot of times there's like this kind of toxic cycle of like media creates a narrative that it's comfortable with repeating and Washington sort of caters to the media rather than serving its constituents.

And I'm worried that the Biden administration will try to appease centrists as designed by the media instead of like understanding that, you know, Medicare for All is super popular. And it should be a priority, getting everybody health care in a real way. in a way that eventually gets rid of insurance companies, if not right away, should be a priority. Yeah, I would like that. Universal childcare needs to be a priority. Take a look at all the women who have left the workforce during COVID needs to be a priority. As a person from a rural area, we have to have a better rural broadband system.

We have to have better rural access to the internet. If we're living in a society now where people are going to be expected to work or take school remotely, people in parts of the country that are not major cities need to have reliable access to the internet. I also think that, you know, prioritizing women's health is really important. The Trump administration really quietly chipped away at Roe v. Wade in such an insidious way that women now have, like, less access to birth control options. And I'm in the stage of relief where I'm, like, worrying about all the ways that I'll be let down. I am still, like, excited about the things that happened. I'm excited, you know, about some of the, you know, I live in

Los Angeles. I'm excited about some local stuff that's going on. Like, we replaced our DA with like a, like an actual progressive, which is cool. But I'm just worried that on a national scale, the federal government will be like too clunky to respond to the fact that people's values have been shifting towards something that's more progressive than maybe the media and like the Washington establishment wants to admit. This was great, Erin. Yes. Thanks for having you guys. Before we get into things, we have a fun little treat.

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Can we end fired by tweet yet again or not fired by tweet, resigned by tweet? What do you think happened there? And also, can you just give me a little bit? I'm a little worried that we're all that Trump is going to now like overturn the election and declare martial law. Well, look, I, you know, Bill Barr had resisted in the last couple of weeks, some of them were absurd. And so, you know, if fire begins to rain from the sky later tonight as he begins to nuke Antifa held cities just to protect them. We should really be surprised. You're not making me feel better.

I wanted a little bit of like Rick Wilson, like, you know, it's going to be okay. Molly? Yes. It's not going to be okay. Rick! No, look, the fuckery level can now be increased dramatically. Now I will give you a little bit of it's okay. There's no one who's going to go in, oh my God, he could put Eric in there tomorrow.

Oh, shut up. Acting Attorney General Eric Trump. You are the worst. So you're saying there's a chance? You would one might say he might gum up the works a little? Oh! Oh, Eric Trump gum jokes are my jurisdiction, but I'll let you have that one. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to steal the bit.

That's all right. You know, Rudy could still be in there. I was AG finally for a month. It was, I could have been there longer. I could have done better. Oh, my God. That could actually happen, right? It could actually happen.

That would be unbelievable. In this world, I would believe it. Yeah. When you say the words unbelievable when it comes to this administration, after four long years, I believe any fuckery, any shit is possible. And so... But you think Trump will leave? Look, I think Trump will leave because he's going to go out that day and have a big

frickin' Trump rally. Right. He's going to announce for 2024. Yeah. And he's going to demand that Ted Cruz and Marco and Josh and Tom Cot and all the rest. You better come to my rally or you're going to, or I'm going to say, I'm going to tweet bad things about you. It's true.

You know, I mean, these guys have sworn basically a vow of abdignation and chastity for the longest time. Yeah. And it's, you know, once you're broken to Trump, okay, once he breaks you, he wants you to stay broken. Right. That is true. Once he breaks you, he wants you to be a permanent part of his afterlife as servants.

Like, he's some sort of Egyptian god. He's buried with his cats and his housekeeper and his dormant. That seems very likely to me. You're going to $1.00 to the afterlife. Shut up. Be grateful. That seems very likely to me that it's almost more appealing to hold the entire Republican Party hostage and make money. And also, he can keep the money he raises now, right? That's correct.

In a way that he couldn't when he was president. He's going to keep all the dollars. And remember, he controls the Republican Party. Right. He kept Rona in there because she won't do a damn thing without his performance. Yeah, she's pretty sick of that. I mean, she wouldn't change out that carpet on the fourth floor without his permission. And it's been janky since like the 80s.

But nothing, nothing, and I mean nothing, is going to stop Donald Trump from ripping off this party until the last dog dies. Right. He will steal until there is nothing left to steal. They will have sold off the wall fixtures at the RNC by the time he... That's kind of fun. Rick Wilson. Yes, Molly Junk Fest. We have our one segment now.

Oh, but we're getting a new segment. We are getting a new segment, everybody. But nobody knows what it is. New Year, New Year, New Year treat. New Year, new segment. It's going to involve fuckery. It's called Stephen Miller after dark. No, it's not.

We're telling a long-running, collaborative, erotic story about Stephen Miller. Literally, no one wants that. And his reptiles. fetish. Oh, Jesus Christ. All right, continue. Who is your fuck that guy? Well, my fuck that guy is, of course, Stephen Miller. First off, we're almost done with Stephen Miller in the White House.

For now. For now. For now, until he runs for president. I feel like he's running for Congress. 20, 2050. Congressional seat in Missouri. Is that where he's from? No, but I just, I see him as like a VEP character, right? Okay. All right. Oh, I'm sorry. I was having a moment where I was

like, is this real? Is this real? No, none of this is ever real. I thought it was in California. Yeah, he's from California. California. Santa Monica. Hence Santa Monica Gerbils. Yes. But I will say his entire game on Fox today of telling it the audience of millions and millions and millions of Trump Republican Party viewers that it was only a matter of time before the alternate slate of electors. Yeah. Who were to establish the victory. Yes. It's really so dumb. Yeah. It was really, it combined dumb and malicious. Yeah.

Dumbitious, if you will. Delicious, yes. Dumbitious. Dumbitious. Dumbitious. My, fuck that guy. You want to know who my fuck that guy is? Tell me you're fuck that guy.

It's the editor of the Wall Street Journal opinion page. Fuck him. I mean, yeah, that this weekend, they ran a piece. I actually wrote a piece that's in The Beast right now. You can read it about this. But the Wall Street Journal editorial page, it was a Jill Biden kiddo, written by a guy who had been an adjunct at Northwestern, criticizing the fact that she uses the term doctor.

She's a, you know, a college teacher, so a lot of college teachers are called doctors. Criticizing that and then also saying lots of snobbery and a lot of real disgusting classism against community college, which, as we know, community college is one of the great things in America because we have a way to go to college for not a lot of money and a way to get into four-year colleges for a lot of people. And it's a very wonderful thing. So fuck you, Wall Street Journal editorial page. Just a lot. And by the way, it's not even the worst op-ed they did. You know, they had Mike Pence, head of the coronavirus task force.

Oh, yes. Mike spent so many long nights in the lab. Right. Musing about how there was no second wave. That was 175,000 people ago dead. So Wall Street Journal opinion page, go fuck yourself. On that note, we'll wrap up this episode of the new abnormal from The Daily Beast. In future episodes, we'll be talking with smart folks from The Daily Beast and beyond

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