The Daily Show: Ears Edition - A Look Back at the Experts - Beyond the Scenes

Episode Date: October 11, 2022

We’re taking a look back at some of the best guest experts on Beyond the Scenes, from members of Congress to medical professions, even professional singer/songwriters. First, Roy sits down with Congresswoman Jackie Speier to discuss the Pink Tax and the challenges of being a female consumer. He’s also joined by doctor of nursing, Dr. Christopher Friese to discuss how nurses are managing during the pandemic. Lastly, Roy chats with Singer-songwriter Aloe Blacc about the rise of music streaming and how it’s leaving artists shortchanged. Beyond The Scenes is a podcast from The Daily Show with Trevor Noah. Check out more episodes wherever you get your podcasts or YouTube.com/TheDailyShowSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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and we talk with producers from the show, writers, correspondence, and expert guests who can give us a little bit more insight and context on the topics at hand. Have a listen. I know you're going to like it. Welcome to Beyond the Scenes. The podcast that goes deeper into segments and topics that aired on the Daily Show with Trevor Noah. This week we're taking a look back at some of the many amazing guests and experts we've been lucky to have on the program. I've had everybody from members of Congress to medical professionals, even professional singers and songwriters. Now let's take a look at some of our favorite moments with our guests who provided us with their wisdom and expertise. The first expert we have up is Congresswoman Jackie Speer who talks to us about the pink

tax and why certain goods and services cost women more than they do men. The same thing that a man buying or a woman costs more. It's ridiculous. And she was even kind enough to give us a little show and tale. Let's check it out. Congresswoman Spear, welcome to Beyond the Scenes. It is my pleasure. Thank you for letting to to to to to to to to me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me to let me to let me to let me to let me to let me to th me th me th me to let me th me to to let me to let me to to, welcome to Beyond the Scenes. It is my pleasure. Thank you for having me. Well, thank you for letting me be a man

in this woman-centric topic. Too bad we don't rule the world though, just because we're ruling this particular podcast. That's the problem. We're not ruling the world yet. I would be honest. I felt uncomfortable hosting this episode. I was like, maybe Desi need the guest host. I don't want to get in trouble. You're doing great, Roy.

Okay, before we do anything, we have to define what the issue is. So Desi, Stacey, let's start off off the top. What is the pink tax? Well, the pink tax refers to the markup on goods and services that are specifically being targetededededededed discrimination. So Roy, you, everything you buy is cheaper than the same products we want to buy. Okay, so if we both bought deodorant and your, and mine is man deodorant and yours is woman deodorant, same brand. You're paying more than thio-saug, is what you're saying, Stacy. It's more expensive for us to smell good than for you. Which is why Stacy and I refuse to smell good. Yeah you're lucky this is on Zoom Roy because you don't want to smell this. Okay. They won't even let us back in

the studio. Yes. Okay. Nothing to do with COVID. So Congresswoman, Congresswoman, I'm sorry, I apologize for both of them. Why does the pink tax exist? And more importantly, how do manufacturers and retailers justify this tax? Well, the pink tax exists because it's a form of gender discrimination. It's not just about pink, it's about the fact that women's products cost more than men's products when they are basically identical. It is important for us to address this because, as we all know, women still make less than men for every dollar man earns, a woman makes 82 cents.

If you look at women of color, it's even more egregious. And that's real money when everything is said and done. Are there other examples of this other than deodorant? Because I'll be honest, as a man, this isn't something that you would normally think about because you're not buying a lot of women's items unless you are a committed, strong man in a relationship like I am. So you're not aware of this. Give me what other items other than deodorant? I have heard that women get worse deals on cars. But let me give you some products that kind of make the case. All right. So this is dove deodorant for men and women and as you can see here

for a four pack a woman's gonna pay $19.39.39, the man's going to pay $13.58. But that's just the odor. Let's move on. How about probiotics for women? 3279 for a man. All right, this like the price is right. Let me guess the next. The price is wrong though. That's the problem always wrong so the price is right needs to have a gender separate episode yes maybe so huh so look at this these are bibs right bibs for boys bids for girls a dollar more for the girls bibs now wait there's more what what there's more what there's more what there's more oh my god these are kids diapers the kids diapers, $37 for the girl, $33 for the boy, but

I'll show you the same discrimination for adult diapers. That's not, and boys have more happening to fill out diaper space, so really square footage, it should cost more for the men, right? Probably because they need more absorbent material They need more absorbent material so it should cost more, right? Yeah. Now we did this same study two or three years ago and they were egregious around children's toys. So I had my interns do this just this week and this is what they found online at retailers throughout the country. So this is up-to-date current. So what are we going to do about it? How does price discrimination add another layer to the wage inequality that women also deal with?

Well, it's yet another blow. When I did the service review in 1996, we found out through the Assembly Office of Research in California that women were paying $1,400 in a gender tax every year more than men. So imagine, on top of the fact that we're in a she session, not a recession, more women are out of work than men. And there's 1.3 million women who have left the workforce since COVID hit and have not returned in part because of the lack of child care. This number is the highest number of women not employed since

1991. So you couple that with women out of work, women getting paid less than men and on top of that products and services are costing them more. There ought to be a law and that's why I've introduced the Pink Tax Repeal Act and we have 51 co-sponsors on it now. This issue, this Pink Tax issue, when we talk about the, say the word again, a She-Session? A She-Session instead of a recession. I like it. Does the she session strike women equally or even within that is there additional inequities based on race? Oh no question. It's more egregious for women of color. African-American women, Latino women, and the amount of loss and income is the greatest for Latino women.

So your pink tax repeal act is bipartisan and basically we're trying to get all of these manufacturers and retailers on the same plane to basically say if it's something as simple as deodorant and it both, you keep both of y'all from being musty, it should be the same price. That's right. And unless you can prove. I'm sure it's not worded like that. I'm sure you worded it more professionally. You probably said FTC and Attorney General you use a lot of the proper words. That's right. That's right. We did use more proper words to

basically say if you don't play by these rules you're going to be sued. And so then the bill has 48 co-sponsorsorsorsorsorsors the the the the the the the the the the the th. the th. the th. to to to be to be to be to be to be to be to to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to to to to to to say. to say. to say. to say. to say. to say. to say. to say. to say. to say. to say. to say. to say. to say. to say. to say. to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to to to to to. to to to to. to. to. to to the the the the the to. the the to. the to. to. the to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. the to. the be sued. And so then the bill has 48 co-sponsors right now. Has there been any pushback that you've seen so far on your proposal? The numbers have grown. It's now at 51. I've talked to the chairwoman of the subcommittee. She loves the bill and we're going to have a hearing on it and hopefully get it within the next few months. And we can credit you with helping get it the the the the to get it to get it to get it to get it to get it to get it to get it to get it to get it to get it to get it over to get it over to get it over to get it over to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be. to be to be. to be. to be to be. to be. to be to be. to be. to be to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be to be to be to be to be the to be the the the to. the the too. the too. the too. toeck. the toeck. toeck. the toeck. toeck. to. to. the to. to. the house floor within the next few months. And we can credit you with helping me get it over the top. Desi. Dizzy. No credit here. No credit here. What role can consumers play in provoking change?

And by consumers I mean men. You know I'm talking about. We're the problem. You are the problem. Well, the problem is that it's not illegal in most states to charge more for services based on gender or charge more for products. You should not be discriminating on goods and services based on gender. It should be based on the time it takes to do a service and what's in the product. Women pay about 40% more to get their haircut than men do, and they pay about 60% more at the dry cleaners for the same service for the same item. And then for car repairs, they pay about 30% more. Now in California, back in the 90s, I had legislation passed that was signed into law that said for services,

you had to base it not on gender, but on the amount of time it takes to provide that service. For instance, I timed the last time I got my haircut. It took longer. So if we do base it on time, then I think you're going to see the tables turned a little bit and then there'll be an outcry from you guys because you're going to be paying more for your $2 dry cleaning shirt. When would you say that you all were first aware of a pink tax existing? Because, you know, you got to figure you have a little bit of a blind spot to to base to base thiiiiiiiiiiioli to base the blind to base the blind to base the blind to base to base their to base their their thi. thi. to base to base to base to base to base to base to base to base to base thi. their to base to base to base to base to base to base to base it on, to base it on, to base it on, to base it on, their on, their on, their on, their on, their on, their on, their on, their on, their their their their their their their their their their their their their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, te. ta. ta. thea. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta pink tax existing. Because you know, you got to figure you have a little bit of a blind spot to certain inequities

and then one day you just go, wait a minute. When was your wait a minute moment? Congresswoman, I start with you. It was when I took my husband's Oxford shirt, shirts to the dry cleaner and they were, you know, a dollar fifty a shirt and my Oxford shirt costs, you know, 350 or four dollars. That's when I thought, wait a minute, something's wrong here. I can remember when I first started shaving my legs around six, seven years old. I was a very hairy child. No, I was 13, 12, 13, somewhere around there. And my mom bought me a razor and some shaving cream. And I remember the Gillette razor being considerably more expensive

than what men use. And my mom refusing to buy me that razor and also bought me a can of barbisol, like the old school men's shaving cream. And so when I shaved my legs, I used, I just used the stuff for men. And I, I just used the st, I the the the th. I th. I the th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I the the the the. I the. I the. I the the the the the. I the the the the the the. I the the the. I the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. I th. I th. I the. I the. I the. I the. I the. I the. I the. I the. I thea. I thea. I thea. I thea. I thea. I thea. I thea. I'm thea. I thea. I thea. I thea, like the old school men's shaving cream. And so when I shave my legs, I use like, I just use the stuff for men. And I still, if I'm being honest, I still have an affinity for the smell of barbisol. That's why I just never shaved my legs. Mine was, I went through a terrible phase where I had, we'll call it, a pixie haircut to be nice about it.

And I went to a hair salon and the girls' haircuts were like about $20 to $30 more. And I was like, why, I'm literally getting the same haircut as that guy in the chair. And I just at the time thought that they were just a really, like, sexist hair place. And they were like, oh, women, you know, you guys have more layers. I'm like, it's the exact same haircut. And then it wasn't until I went to your office and I was ashamed. I was like, oh my god, this is a thing, like another thing to add on top of everything else. So you open my eyes, Congresswoman, woman. Good.

We want to open the eyes of both men and women in this this tham thuuthat this is another form of discrimination that we've got to stamp out. Big thank you to the Congresswoman Speer for giving us a little bit of her time. Our next expert after the break is going to talk to us about the way nurses have been treated during COVID. We're actually mistreated. It's beyond the scenes. Finding great candidates to hire can be like trying to find a needle in a the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the tha tha tha theeaseaseaseaseaseaseaseaseaseaseaseaseaseaseaseaseaseaseaseasea to hire can be like trying to find a needle in a haystack.

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Welcome back. You know what man, that price's wrong segment was really eye-open. And CBS needs to develop that into a price's right spin-off. Hit me up, Drew Carey. I got nothing but time. Trevor got my number. Next up, I chat with the doctor of nursing, Dr. Christopher Freese. Now, I know his name sounds like a bit of a super villain, but I assure you, he's a in a white coat. I chatted with Christopher about how nurses have been coping during the pandemic and he had some real eye-opening things to say about the treatment of nurses.

Give it a clip. Dr. Fries, you know, when you look at health care in the modern era in this country now, like it's not just about knowing your job from a techy, technical, IV, find the vein standpoint. You also, it seems that the job of nurse is a little bit part sociologist as well, where you have to be able to relate to people and I would even argue that there might be a little small element of social work in trying to just connect with people on a normal human basis.

But you have a lot of different confluences happening. What do you believe are the primary challenges for nurses and the health care system right now? Well how much time do we have right now? So first I want to say that each and every day, nurses are delivering exceptional care across the country. They are getting it done for their patients, technically, socially, physically. They are problem solving behind the scenes. They are, you know, I call it, you know,

part technical, part psychology, part air traffic controller. And that's the part that a lot of people don't see. So a lot of excellent nursing care is still happening, but we're on the brink. And we've been on the brink for about almost two years now. So when we think about the priorities, what I'm really worried about is at some point, our public health officials will have a lower level of concern for COVID than they do right now. They will say we're at a phase that we can quote manage this. We have an ability, you know, the case counts are very, very low. We're not seeing these big wide spikes that we're still seeing. And everybody's gonna say, oh, great, problem solving,

and they're gonna leave nurses in the lurch without solving the underlying structural things that are happening to nurses every day day have been happening for a decade. So my team has been studying nursing workplaces for two decades now. A couple things that I'm very worried about. One is, executives are not spending enough time on understanding the working conditions of nurses and how they need to fix them. They're not listening to nurses and solving their problems. Executives within the health care system. Exactly right. Okay, just make it.

Executives in the health care system are not listening carefully to nurses concerns and acting upon those concerns. When nurses tell you they have a problem, they're not making it up. And when nurses have problems in their workplaces, we've known that patients are more likely to die, patients are more likely to have complications, patients are more likely to have to stay longer in the hospital. None of us want any of that.

So first is we have to have our health care executives listen deeply and carefully to nurses, and work very strategically on those problems. Then we have a couple of structural things, not very sexy, but we still allow many nurses, as you point out, to work mandatory overtime. Their boss can come to them, they've worked a 12-hour shift, it's 5 o'clock at night, they've worked 10 hours nonstop, and their boss can come to them at 5 p.m. and say, guess what, you're staying another 4 hours? And we don't do that to pilots. Your pilot flies you from New York to LA. They get off the plane and they go home and rest.

Truck drivers either. They track truck drivers to make sure they're not even cheating. Exactly right. So we've got a couple of structural things like that. We also have, well guess what? We're running short on a nurse, so you're going to take another one, two, th. th. th the COVID area, we're seeing that in the ICU. I've never heard of that in the ICU in 25 years of nursing.

So executives have decided to put the labor problems on the backs of nurses rather than solving the underlying problem. And I think that problem predated COVID, and it's only gotten worse during COVID. So if we really focus on those issues, we're going to have a healthy, safe nursing workforce that can care for us during COVID and after COVID. And if we don't pay attention to that stuff, we're going to be in a whole world of hurt and we're going to see more

of the stuff that we're seeing now. Nurses leaving in droves, too many, too many patients to care for, unsafe staffing, etc, etc, etc, etc, to, to, to, to be, to be, to be, and to be, and to be, and to be, and to be, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and to be a to be a to be a to be a toe, and then, and to be a to be, and to be, and to be, and to be, and to be, and to be, and to be, and to be, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, the the the the thi.a.a.a. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. too many patients to care for, unsafe staffing, etc. It's a vicious cycle if we don't break the chain. I'm going to ask a question that's going to seem morbid, but it's from a fiscal place. Why would the executives break the backs of the employees whose job it is, is to help keep the customer a lot. Like if we're just going base level, making money in health care, if people die, that is not good fiscally for business. So why would we create a place where the workers cannot do their job the right way?

What is the advantage in an executive doing that? Like if we said, they're not a sponsor, let's just use Amazon for example. Okay, yeah, Amazon's gonna pay you as little as possible and not put you in a union because it makes them more money. Overworking nurses doesn't make you more money. The patient is the patient, the cost is the cost. So why would you want the patient to die? Like what are the advantages in the executive infrastructure of a hospital in being assholes like this? Well I have a lot of friends who are executives. Let me put that on there. And I think a lot of them are them. They're cool. But those are the means. You know who we need. I. I. I. I. I the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their. I their. I their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the patient. I their their their. their. The patient. The patient. The patient. The patient. Well. Well. Well. Well. Well. Well. Well. Well. Well. I have the patient. I have the patient. I have the patient. I the patient. I the patient. I the the the the the the the the the their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I have. I have. I have. I have. I have. I have. I have. I have. I have. I have. I have. I have. I have. I have. I have. I have. I have the. I have the. I have the. I on there. And I think a lot of them. Not them. They're cool. But those other means. You know who we need. Those other people, right? So, you know, I think that, first of all, a lot of the executives are trying to do the right thing. But we don't have the

incentives lined up. And I spoke about this earlier. So number one bill when you go home, do me a favor and look at your bill. And you tell me, this is a quiz for everybody listening, go take a look at that bill and tell me where the bill for nursing services is. You know where it is? Room and Board. Nurses are part of the room and board part of a hospital bill. So if you have cancer, and I'm an oncology nurse, and I am giving you expert care for you leukemia, and I'm in your room every hour drawing blood and checking you blood products to save your life and giving you antibiotics and all that stuff. And the person next to you, or the room down the hall has an appendix removed

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So you get what you pay for, but you know we don't, I love this idea of the CV because if we did that for a nurse, what did you do for this patient for 12 hours? It would be a ticker tape parade. Is there anything that the general public can do because so much of what you're talking about is it seems to be in my opinion or just from my perspective again as a guy who only goes to hospitals to steal blankets. I borrow. No, I don't take them back, Madeline.

Don't clean it up for me. I'd steal them. These are very wonderful blankets. As a person who's just on the outside looking in, it seems that a lot of the solutions here lie within the institution. But how do I, as just Joe Blow's citizen, what can I do to help alleviate some of these challenges? Is it looking at what our elected officials are doing? How much does politics?

Is there someone I need to vote out? Like, what can it, do I show up to the hospital and try to protest? What can we do as regular people to help be a part of the solution on this issue? Yeah, so a couple of things. First of all, it's not just the blankets, the real money is the warm blankets. So make sure you ask for that next time. Oh, nice. It will change your life. It will change your life. So thank you all. You're very welcome for that tip. So what can the public do a couple things. One is if you get great great the public the public the public the public the public the public the public the public the public the public the public the public the public the public the public the public the public the public the public the public to to the public to the public to to to to to to to to do a to do a to the public the public to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thea. thea. thi. thi. thi. thrue. thi. thi. thro. their their their the the their their their their their the public do a couple of things? One is if you get great care at your facility, write the CEO of the hospital and mention the people who cared for you by name and tell them what a great job they did. And if you saw quality of care concerns, if you heard about mandatory overtime or unsafe staffing,

put that in too and say, hey, this is not what I expect for my community hospital. Because they are accountable to the public. Most of our hospitals in the country are non-profit and they're supposed to serve the community. So they need to respond to you. If you know a hospital executive, you can say, what are you doing to keep your nurses safe? And the answer shouldn't be pizza parties or coloring books. The answer should be eliminating mandatory overtime, humane staffing levels and listening to nurses and acting on their issues. And do you have a safety committee for nursing and health care workers? We have patient safety committees in every hospital. Do we have a group of experts focused on health

care workers safety? Missing piece. Finally for the policy piece, couple points. Every state, health care, most hospital issues are managed at the policy piece. Couple points. Every state, health care, most hospital issues are managed at the state level. Moving throughout the country is legislation on penalizing verbal and physical abuses towards health care workers. Zero tolerance. You hit or strike a nurse, or you call them a name.

You're out. We're not gonna, you know, with limited circumstances. We are not obligated to treat you, and you, and you, and you, and you, and you, and you, and you to be to be charged, and you, to be charged, to be charged, to be charged, to be charged, to be charged, to be charged, to be charged, to be charged, to be charged, to be charged, to be charged, to be charged to be charged, to be charged to be charged, to be charged, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe. toe. toe. to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the tol. the the toliaughe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. the toe. to not going to, you know, with limited circumstances, you are, we are not obligated to treat you and you can be charged with a crime. Also, mandatory staff, mandatory overtime and staffing ratios that are humane and safe. There's legislation in many states. California has a staffing mandate. Some states are working on banning mandatory overtime. We know those work. That keeps not only nurses safe, but it keeps patients safe. So those are the couple things. And then the final thing at the federal level, we talked about the nursing pipeline for faculty. We don't have enough funding to

incentivize expert nurses to either stay at the bedside to teach or to teach in nursing schools. And if we want more nurses, that's where we need to start. And that's a solvable problem. That's a, we have money, right? I hope we have money. That's a money problem that we can solve. And our nursing schools, you know, we can work on our back end, to make it work that we can add, you know, bring more more more more more more more more more're turning away year after year after year. Well, I'm happy that you are a nurse educator and that you're a nurse and that you're a doctor of nursing because with a name like, you know, Dr. Frise, you easily could have been a villain or some sort of

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Zip recruiter dot com slash zip. Zruiter, the smartest way to hire. Shout out to all our nurses out there who work long hours and who deserve way more than a pizza party. In this next clip, I chat with singer-songwriter Allo Black about how musicians have been getting short-changed by the streaming industry and how he got involved in the fight. Better give us our money. I mean, I'm a comedian. I don't don much streaming as musicians, but still I want them 48 cents. It's my, roll the clip. It's my money I want it. I did not know that the number was 43 billion dollars that the music industry brought in last year. Yet somehow artists only got 12% at that. You wouldn't have this shit. You wouldn'tthat the music industry brought in last year. Yet somehow, artists only got 12% at that 4. You wouldn't have this shit without us.

That's what I'm saying. Especially now, because like back in the day, it seemed like, oh, well, music labels did work. You know, they got the records into the store, and they did promotion, and they, you know, they got it out there to people, but, Al-O, now you probably do a lot of that stuff yourself now, right? Yeah, Alo, break this down. How did you get involved in this? Because I know that you were very vocal about this. I got involved because I had one of the biggest songs in the world in 2013, 2014. Wake me up. So wake me up when it's all over. When I'm wiser and I'm older, all this time I was finding myself, and I didn't know I was long.

And I was looking at the streams total, and then looking at the money that came in from the streams total, and it just wasn't making sense. I'm a songwriter and a singer. Not every artist who's singing their songs is also writing the songs. But when I looked at the math, it just wasn't wasn't't adding up. You know, I'd rather have a dollar per download or somebody purchasing a CD than 0.004 cents for a stream. It's it's not a it's not a tenable situation for most of the artist. Do you think Alo just as an artist? Do you think that streaming, what are what are? the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. the the the th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's the. It's the. It's the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. situation for most of the artists. Do you think, Al-O, just as an artist, do you think that streaming, what are some of

the pros of streaming? Do you think it saved the music industry to a degree? Because the music industry was taken a bath. And I know that's where a lot of those 360 deals came from, because the record labels, their, thrown. We're not gonna make any money off you from album sales, so I want a piece of your t-shirts and your Live Nation and all your tour dates, and then we'll make sure your song gets on the radio. So do you think streaming in a way, save the music industry?

I do give it some credit. So I was part of that Napster Generation when I was in college, I was downloading all music for free. Having an organized system by which there is some sort of subscription, paid, some money paid, will put money back into the system then gets distributed to the artist. However, the way that the system works right now

isn't an equitable system. So I would give the streaming industry some credit for saving the music industry, but it was also in a moment where we're always rapidly transforming and progressing, evolving with technology. Things are always going to change. If we can have artists at the table, though, to make some of those decisions on how it changes, so that we can continue to offer value,

really valuable music and art, then I think it'll make for a much more fair play playing ground. Allo, what's different about this battle now? Because as far as I know, the record industry has always been shady. Is it the addition of the streamers now playing the role of co-conspirator? Or is it the fact that this system, this construct was kind of built before our eyes over the streamers now playing the role of co-conspirator? Or is it the fact that this system, this construct, was kind of built before our eyes over the last 10 to 15 years? Good question. It was built before our eyes.

You saw it happening. What you didn't see was the inside baseball, where Spotify, looking like it's standing alone is ultimately invested in by the major record label corporations. So Spotify doesn't really have much say. And when I joined the fight, I was joining the fight really as a song, really as a song, really, as a song, really as a song, really as a song, really, as a song, their song, look, what is the song, right? What is a song, their song,the melody? You could get a great Michael Jackson song

and hear three, four hundred different versions of it, right? At the end of the day, it's that unitary piece, that that more so, that nucleus, the songwriting. And when I learned that the songwriters get one-fourth of the income out of all this, I thought to myself, that doesn't make any sense. Where would the music industry be without the, that piece of intellectual property, the actual song writing, the underlying work?

And so I just started doing more digging and just getting involved in the fight. It's the problem the rates paid per stream? Like, how do we make this more equitable? The problem is the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the theateateateateateateateateateateateateateateateateateateateateate, the, the, the, the, the, theat involved in the fight. As the problem, the rates paid per stream? Like, how do we make this more equitable? The problem is the rates paid per stream, and the issue is that as an artist, as a businessman, right? I don't get to choose my price. Any other industry, you get to choose your price. As an entrepreneur, you get to say, this is what I'm willing to sell my wares for. And if, and if, and if, and if, and if, and if th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. th. th, thi. thi. thi, thi, thi, they the they. they is they is they, they, they, they, they, this is what I'm willing to sell my wares for. And if there's a willing buyer, then so be it.

If there's not, then I die by my own sword. And I want to be able to choose my price. You're going to tell me that Bill Withers, lean on me is worth 0.004 per stream, same as, uh, I don't even want to name no artist right now but you know there's a gang artist. Roywood Jr. you can just say it Roywood Junior comedy albums from Comedy Central it's not the same price it's fine I'll tell I'll lay on that grenade it's fine take the hit yes you can take the hit so you get me right and so what I think is yeah why can't mr. Wers estate say, nah, this is worth $4 a stream.

And if you don't like it, so be it, but this is the price. It's not going down because this is what the worth is in terms of value, artistic, credibility, authenticity, and what he delivered to the world. So, you know, if there's going to be a number, at least let the artists decide, and we can figure it out over time. What can fans do in general? Because more often than not, this battle between artists and the record label traditionally as a fan, I've always felt helpless.

You can correct me, I'm sure you're more of a music encyclopedia than me, but I just won't name the artists, but I know that there have been traditionally a lot of rappers who speak out against their label and go, I'm only getting 50-cent a CD or dollar CD. And as a fan, the reaction from a lot of people, especially a lot of black people, a lot of hip-hop fans, well black people, a lot of hip hop fans, well, you shouldn't design that deal, not knowing the intricacies of how you get distribution and how you get in stores at that time.

But it seems like distribution is less of a necessary need. So what can we as fans do to even try to help support artists? Other than just set up eight laptops and just let all them shits play aloe black The best thing that you could do to support fans is go directly to the fan to the artist for the merchandise that they're selling The artist if they have their own their own infrastructure can deal with you on a one-to-one basis. There are, you know, many of the major artists have such a huge infrastructure around them that it's not going to be easy to do that, but for independent artists and up-and-coming artists,

they generally have their own marriage website where you can buy a t-shirt or whatever. They might be able to sell you a song one-to-one from their website as well, their band camp or their tune core. And, you know, share their music, share out the love and spread the gospel of what they're doing so that when we do open back up and people can get into concerts, they can get a chance to get that concert ticket money. That's definitely one of the plays for a lot of artists. I know a lot of artists that survive off of that touring money.

Here's a naive question though. And this is coming from a guy that has seen people go viral on Tick-Tock and Twitch and YouTube and IG stories with their own original stuff who had no label, they had no support. What does the future of streaming look like? Because what is the advantage of a record label? If I like right now, what's to stop me from going in the studio getting my shit recorded and mastered and then getting some ISRC code digital from going in the studio getting my shit recorded and mastered and then getting some ISRC code digital footprint embedded in the track and sending that out onto the internet and uploading that to set, because there's ways for me to get on a streamer

without a record label. I could just send, like there's digital distribution companies that'll just take a 30% pinch off of the dollar and I get to keep 70 cents. So what's to stop an artist that's popular? Like why do I need a label if everybody's listening to their stuff on a streamer anyway? And I can get to a streamer without a label. Yes, that's a good question. Ultimately the answer is whether or not you're going to be part of the global consciousness

as an artist. You may be in for a second for a hot minute with your hot song but you know these big boys are there to play and if you want to get that radio you're going to have to work with them because this is the the decades-old kind of you know inside club and then if you do have that one the that the decades-old kind of, you know, inside club. And then if you do have that one hit, they're going to come at you with a huge bag and be like, look, here's a huge amount of money that we're going to offer you to join our record label so that we could probably never pay attention to you again, and you probably won't get all this money, it's just promised to you over time if you perform. And so, you know, when you hear about these big multi-million dollar deals,

these are usually spread out across 10 albums, you know, and multiple years, the artist doesn't necessarily see all that money. And you're looking at a lot of young cats who are flos in, but they're flossing, and they're, they're, they're, they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're thing, thing, thi-and, thi-and, thi-and, thi, if thi, if thi, if thi, if thi, if thi, if thi, if thi, if thi, if thing, thing, thing, thing, thing, thing, thing, thing, thing, thing, thing, thing, thing, thing, and thiausing, and thi-au-au-au-s, and thi-s, thi., the artist doesn't necessarily see all that money. And you're looking at a lot of young cats who are flossing, but they're flossing, they got a bag, but they're flossing off of money that's not going to last forever. That's not forever but ever money. Some of that's going to be gone. The reason why they end up going to the record labels is because they get that big, big paycheck in front of their face, rather than having to wait for the slow drip from the streams. What does it take then? Because there's independent artists that have stayed independent,

like a guy that I, two guys that I've enjoyed, one immortal technique, the other one, Tech Nine, and you know the rapperthat, if you know him, you know him. He definitely does not get the spins on regular radio, but seems to have carved out a decent living for himself. And we'll never, he's not gonna get mobbed at the airport the way Drake or somebody from Young Moneywood or whatever, but why do you think that, or what does it take for the artists and the creators to realize that they're the ones with the power and not the labels in the radio stations?

It's going to take a lot of communication from, I'd say, the more mature and seasoned artists in the music industry to work with some of the younger ones and help them to recognize. You know, young cats, they're rebellious. They just want to do what they do and get their money. They're not really paying attention to the history of everything. And where the trend is leading, or at least where the activism within the artistry is leaning. It's a tough battle. It's a tough, it's a tough battle. We're battling culture, cultural norms, we're battling some deep-seated industrial norms.

And I just keep trying to stand up and speak my truth, you know. And that's just the tip of the iceberg of the great guests and experts that we've had on the show and when season 2 comes back around, oh man we're going to have some more. Be sure to listen to the Daily Show Beyond the Scenes on Apple Podcasts, the I-Heart Radio app or wherever you get your podcast.