The Daily Show: Ears Edition - Anti-Lockdown Protests Erupt in the U.S. & Trump Moves the Death Toll Goalposts | Anders Tegnell

Episode Date: May 5, 2020

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Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of the Daily Social Distancing Show. I'm Trevor Noah and today is day 49, yeah, day 49 of us staying inside to try and stop Corona from getting up in our lungs. And here's your quarantine tip of the day. Try to make the most of this extra time that you have at home by starting new projects or hobbies. Like me, I've been coming up with quotes and then trademarking them. If you steal that, I will sue you. Anyway, on tonight's episode, why people people people people people people people people people people thoe thoe thoe tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho the is thi is the is tho tho. And tho. And tho. And tho. And tho. And tho. And tho. And tho. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. If you steal that, I will sue you. Anyway, on tonight's episode, why people are keeping Eels company during quarantine, we talk to Sweden's Dr. Fauci, and President Trump says, Mission Accomplished. So let's get into it. Welcome to the Daily Social Distancing Show. From Trevor's couch in New York City to your couch somewhere in the world.

This is the Daily Social social distancing show with Trevor Noah. As bad as things may seem right now, it's important to remember that the world hasn't technically ended yet. I mean it's gonna happen but you got a figure we have at least a few weeks left. So in the meantime let's stay positive with a little ray of sunshine. Let's kick it off with a story that will make everyone smile. Well, everyone except the coronavirus. This lady has seen a lot in her life. She survived the Spanish flu early in the last century. And now, at 101, she has just beaten COVID-19.

Call her super-granny. Angelina Friedman proudly shares, I am 101 years old and I beat COVID-19. The Westchester New York woman not only beat the coronavirus at her nursing home, but also lived through the 1918 Spanish flu. Her family says the Centarian possesses superhuman DNA. And you feel good? Yes, yes. I feel good. Damn, this woman lived through the Spanish flu and beat coronavirus? Not to mention that in 2010, she also beat Bieber fever. She was one of the lucky few.

And coronavirus must be really embarrassed by this. I mean, you got beaten by a 101 year old woman. I bet Corona's there with all the other diseases like, she won't beat me, man, I let her win. But one thing is clear. If you've ever given your grandmother a world's greatest grandma mug, you better confiscate that thing immediately. Yeah, sorry, Memore. And here's some more good news. In the last few weeks, some countries have slowly been emerging from their corona hibernation. And now, even Italy, one of the hardest hit countries, is starting to open up again.

After eight weeks of silence, today the streets of Italy are slowly coming back to life. Construction sites, factories and parks reopening. Italians will be able to travel locally and order takeout. Joggers allowed once again to run in parks long off limits. In Rome's iconic Campa de Fiori flower market the florists have returned. Cafes like the Antico Cafe Greco, the oldest in Rome can once again serve coffee. In 260 years has this cafe ever been closed? Never. Never closed about. Not even during World War II.

Ura! Ita is getting her back to work! That is such great news, man. Because there's a lot of work to be done in Italy. I mean, Corona, really messed up that whole country. The towers are falling over, the streets are flooded. Their stadiums are in ruins. It's a a a th th th th th th th th th th th th over th over tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha thoea. thoea thoea thoea thoea thoea. thoea. thoea. thoea. thoea. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. toea. toea. toea. toea. toea. toea. toea. toea. toea. toea. toea. toea. toa. toa. toa. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. tauuuaua. tauauauauauauauauaaaaaaaaaa. taa falling over, the streets are flooded, their stadiums are in ruins. It's a mess over there right now.

I do worry about Italy though, because Italians are all about kissing and hugging. But with coronavirus, still out there, they can't do all of that. How are they going to show affection? Huh? Because I mean, we can replace handshakes with elbows. We can just do that thing. But that won won won won won won won won won won won won won won won won won won won won won won won won won won won won won won won won won won won won won won won won won won that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that. that. that. that. that. that that. that. that. that that. that. that that. that that. that that. that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that thing. But that won't work for the Italian kiss. Good to see you, Giovanni. Basically what I'm saying is, post-coronovirus, every country is just gonna have to become Russia.

We do not touch, we do not kiss. When I make love, I just stare so hard at them that they can feel it. Here's another fun story. Every day, we're hearing about how animals are thriving without us. But in Japan, it turns out that there are some animals that just miss our face. A Japanese aquarium is asking people to make video calls to their eels. Why? It's all to remind the sensitive creatures humans exist and don't pose a threat. With a largely human-free environment the sensitive creatures humans exist and don't pose a threat. With a largely human-free environment the last couple months, aquarium staff say when keepers try to check on the garden eels, they hide in the sand. In a bid to reacquaint the eels with humans, the aquarium

is setting up five tablets and asking eel enthusiasts to connect via face their. That's right. Because there haven't been any visitors at the zoo. the zoo, the zoo, the zoo, the zoo, the zoo, to, to, thease, to, thease, thease, thease, to, thease, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, is. Soe, is. Soe, is. Soe, is. Some. Some.k. Wee, isananananananananananananan, is.a, is.a, is.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.ea.ea.ea.ea.ea.ea.ea.ea.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e. So, the zoo. The zoo wants people to video chat with the eels so that they remember humans and don't view them as a threat when people come back. Yeah, although if you ask me, reminding the eels about humans will have the opposite effect. Why is the ocean so small? All right, the humans put us in a water zoo. Oh, and you know what the good news is? Eels are perfectly designed for

video chats. Yeah, because if anyone tries to flash their penis on these zoom calls, the eels, they're not going to be phased. Just be like, ah look at that, another eel on the call. A very strange eel, so small and so pale, he must be sick. All right, that's a ray of Sunshine. Let's get straight into the headlines. All right. As the coronavirus would say, let's start with China. Ever since COVID-19 emerged from Wuhan, suspicions about its origins have been rampant.

And today, the US Department of Homeland Security leaked a report that when the outbreak started, the Chinese government hid the severity of the problem in order to hoard medical supplies before other countries could stock up. And I should have known that China was up to no good because my fortune cookie tried to warn me. Those messages, man, they were so vague. Yeah, I just watched Little Fires everywhere. Basically, you know what China's being accused of?

Is doing that thing that your shitty friend does, where they call you from a party like, hey, don't bother coming to this party, no one's here. And then later on, you see a selfie, where they posted themselves, sitting at a table with Rihanna, and the cost of. There was nobody, then there was everybody. I wish you were there. In other news, one of the biggest winners of the coronavirus pandemic has been Amazon, the world's largest online retailer and

the only store where you can get baby food and a dildo in the same order. But while Jeff Bezos's net worth has gone up billions, the people on the ground in his company are having a terrible time. with infections spreading spreading sp sp sp sp sp sp sp sp sp sp sp sp sp sp sp sp th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th. th. th. th. thi thi thi thi the the the the the the. the. the. the. the. the. the. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. thea. thean. thean thean thean thean thean thean thean thean thea. thea. the. the in his company are having a terrible time. With infections spreading through Amazon warehouses faster than prime delivery, employees are demanding more protective equipment and sanitizer, as well as hazard pay and paid sick leave, which seems fair. And now, one prominent Amazon vice president has quit in disgust, saying that the company has created a climate of fear by firing protesting workers instead of addressing their concerns, a move that he described as, quote, chicken shit.

And I'm not going to lie. This guy definitely has balls, because most of us wouldn't dare call Amazon chicken shit. I mean, they've got your home address and can leak your entire shopping history. That's why I would never mess with, because then everyone would know that I bought a Dildo and baby food, which is so embarrassing, because I don't have a baby. I just like the texture. But props to this guy for calling Amazon chicken shit, which is a great insult and something you can also buy an Amazon.

They really do sell everything. Moving on. If you've been getting bored with with with the the the the the the the coronavirus the coronavirus the coronavirus the coronavirus to think about? Well, be careful what you wish for. Killer Hornets, invading the U.S. and Canada. Asian giant hornets, also known as murder hornets, spotted in Washington state, and they prey on honeybees that pollinate much of our food. These hornets grow up to two inches long,

roughly five times the size of a bee. And in Japan, where they originate origin origin origin origin origin origin origin origin origin origin origin origin origin origin origin origin origin origin origin origin origin they they they their their their their their their their their their was their was their was their was their was their was their their their was their was there was there was their was theirimes the size of a bee. And in Japan where they originate, they reportedly kill up to 50 people each year. Their giant stingers, capable of piercing a beekeeper's suit. The mandibles, there we go, you can sort of see them, are pretty large. They're very, very sharp. And that's what they use to decapitate these, and they'll mash up the thorax into a meatball, they call it, and fly it back to feed their larvae. What? The actual... Feeh-hawnets?

Murder hornets? Murder hornets? I want to go back to the days when the craziest animal thing was keyboard. How did they do that, by the way? Because right now, 20-20 mother nature is out of control. A killer virus is one thing but murder hornets sounds like someone is just combining the scariest words. I mean what's next? Nunchak waltz? I mean I guess that would be weird too. Honestly, these murder hornets just sound like psychos. They cut off the heads of bees, and then they mash up the thorax into a meatball,

and fly it back to feed their lava. I thought only Rudy Giuliani fed his family that way. And if you ask me, these hornets are just being unnecessarily petty. This is going around decapitating bees. How about some unity? Huh? Be best. Get it? Bee. It's day 49, guys.

I'm struggling. And finally, over the past few weeks, rumors have been swirling over the health of Kim Jong-un, North Korean dictator and disgraced former member of the Teletubbies. Well now, after tons of speculation about whether he was dead or sick or in a medically induced food coma, the dear leader has re-emerged. For 20 days, the world wondered, where is Kim Jong-un? Now North Korea's state media airing footage appearing to show the country's mysterious leader visiting a newly completed fertilizer plant, joined by his trusted sister Kim Yo-Jung.

President Trump appears to have confirmed that Kim Jong-un is indeed alive and well. The president tweeting, I for one am glad to see he is back and well. Yeah, of course Trump is happy Kim Jong-un is back. Thank God, I'm no longer definitely the worst person on earth. Now it's debatable again. By the way, if you ever have to use the phrase I for one, it means you're about to suggest some messed up shit. It's never something good. It's always something like, well, I for one, think we should leave the dead prostitute in the trunk and go to the casino as we planned.

But yeah, according to North Korea media, Kim Jong-un is alive and well and didn't have any type of surgery. And personally, I don't know why I wouldn't believe them. He looks like the same old Kim to me. Now, I know that some people are saying that that that that that that that that that that that that that thiiiiiii is the thi is the thi is the the thi is the the thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th thi, thi, thi, thi, th th thi, thi, th, th is th is th, th, th, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th, th, th is thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii.a. thi. thii. thi. th of him, but the truth is with North Korea, there's no way to tell. That country's 30 years behind the rest of the world. Kim Jong-un could come out like, if I weren't alive right now, how could I be holding this brand new VHS of Terminator 2. So, it looks like that's the end of the Kim Jong-un death speculation for now. And I'll be honest, I almost feel bad for the guy.

Imagine your health was so bad that every time you stayed in the house to chill, people were like, oh, he did. All right, that's it for the headlines. When we come back, we're going to see how America's reopening is going, and why the Grim Reaper went to the beach the beach the beach the beach. the beach. the beach. the beach. thapapapapapapapapapapapap th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi. thi. thi. thi. th thi. th thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th thi. th th thi. thi. th thi. thi. thi. th thi. th th th th th th th th th th. th th. th. th th. th th th. th th. th th th th to to to to to to to to to to to thi. to to to to thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th the the the the the thi thi the thi the thi thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. to the beach. Stick around. When 60 Minutes premiered in September 1968, there was nothing like it. This is 60 Minutes. It's a kind of a magazine for television. Very few have been given access to the treasures in our archives. You're rolling?

But that's all about to change. Like none of this stuff gets looked at. That's what's incredible. I'm Seth Done of CBS News, listen to 60 Minutes, a second look, starting September 17th, wherever you get your podcasts. While nations like New Zealand and South Korea seem to have defeated the coronavirus, the situation in America isn't as clear. On the one hand, the number of infections in New York have been dropping steadily, which is great. virus. The situation in America isn't as clear. On the one hand, the number of infections in New York have been dropping steadily, which is great, but what's alarming is that the opposite has been happening in many states around the

US. When you look across the country, it's really a mixed bag. Certainly cases are falling in the tri-state region around New York City. Around the nation, hospitalizations and new cases continue to rise. So there's about 20 states where we see a rising number of new cases. Illinois, Texas, Maryland, Indiana, Virginia, North Carolina, Tennessee, have a lot of new cases on a daily basis. And so while mitigation didn't fail, I think it's fair to say that it didn't work as well as we expected. Yeah, it turns out coronavirus is a lot like a Broadway musical. It starts out big in New York, and then months later,

a much worse version pops up in Peoria. And like, I don't even understand how these Midwestern states are failing at social distancing. The whole state is already social distancing. Everything's spread out. You gotta get in a truck and drive 70 miles just to infect someone. I'm feeling a bit of a sneeze coming on, honey. We should head up to the Anderson's place. Make this thing count. But this just goes to show that fighting coronavirus in America was not a unified approach.

And I mean, I get it. America's a big country and a country that likes to argue. It's hard to get everybody on the same page, you know? Forget coronavirus. Imagine if America try to order a pizza together. Some people would want topings, some would want no topings, some people would say pizza is a hoax, and then Trump would jump in like, forget pizza, just inject yourself with murder. Now, you would think an increase in cases

would mean that now's maybe not the perfect time to open everything up, but many states in America are saying, hey man, this summer is not thii........ th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the th. the the thi. thi. the thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the the the the the, to, to, their, their, their, their, their, their, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to, to, to, to.. to.. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. toe, toe, toe. toe. toge. toge. te. te. tr. te. te. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. to. to. the. to enjoy itself. With the start of a new month comes a wave of cautious reopenings nationwide. Some states now opening gyms, hair salons, or retail stores, others offering malls, theaters and golf courses. I'm at Miramar Beach Access 49 here in Walton County, and today is a pretty big day. The beaches are fully reopened for their first time in more than a month.

And while some residents are happy, some are not. And one of those people is Walton County resident and Florida lawyer, Daniel Ulfowder. I'm here today to try to make a point that we need to, I think it's premature, that we open our beaches. Wow. Walking around Florida as the Grim Reaper that must have freaked people out because you know there had to be some 90-year-old grandma who saw him like... I'm ready, Grim Reaper. Take me. All I have is my grandkids and I hate them. What? You can all see him too? Oh, that was just Nana's medication talking.

Now look, I appreciate the effort this guy's making, but at the same time, I don't know if the grim reaperaper is is is is thraperperperperperperperperperperperperperper that that that that that's that look I appreciate the effort this guy's making but at the same time I don't know if the grim reaper is going to scare that many people. This is Florida. God sent alligators to make people stay out of the water and they responded by wrestling them. But it turns out people on the beach might be the least of America's worries because there are other groups doing much ca things. Tonight across the country, outrage. Protesters demanding states reopen their economies in Maine, Oregon, and Kentucky. Impassioned protesters gathering tightly by the hundreds, frequently without masks.

On Friday, California's capital, 30 arrests as protesters face off with police. Protesters armed with assault rifle storming the capital in Michigan. God, damn. Only in America do protests start by storming the capital with assault rifles. I mean, did you try calling, writing a letter? Usually the armed rebellion is the last step. It's not, which way to the suggestion box. And I feel bad for all these governors trying to enforce these shutdowns. You know, it's like hurting

cats, except more difficult because some of those cats have assault rifles. Now, I know a lot of people probably saw this video and said to themselves, man, if black people were holding guns and shouting at the police, that protest would end badly. But guys, please that protest that protest that protest that protest that protest that protest that protest that protest that protest that protest that protest that protest that protest that protest that protest that protest that protest that protest that protest that protest that protest that protest protest that protest that protest protest that protest that protest that protest that protest that protest that protest that protest th. th protest tho. tho. tho. tho. tho, that protest would end badly. But guys, please, please, that's not true. The protest wouldn't have ended badly. There wouldn't be a protest. All the black people would have been pulled over on the way there. Now, there's no denying that Trump has encouraged these protests. I mean, he's tweeed that these states need to be liberated. He said that the protesters were good people and th. He said that that that that that that that that that that that that that that th, th, thoes that is that is that is that is that is that is thate. It thate, that is that is that is thate, that is that is that is thate. It thate. It thate. It would that that thate. It would that that that that that that that that that that that that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is thate. It is thate. It is thate. It's thateauu. thateau-au-au-au-au-au-au-au-auauauauauaua. thatea. It and should negotiate. And even as America's coronavirus death toll has zoomed past Trump's predictions of what

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You start by saying 60,000 Americans will die, coronavirus counters with everyone, and then Trump moves it up to 90,000. Who needs a vaccine when you have a deal maker this good in the White House? Am I right? I'm not right. Basically what happened in that clip is that Trump got his numbers super wrong And instead of just admitting it he picked a new set of numbers to try and seem right And I hope that Trump doesn't play the lottery because that must suck for all the people who work at Powerball

I won I want the lottery. No, sir, you actually pick the wrong numbers. Well, I want to change them to the right numbers. You guys do this every time I try claim. You treat me worse than Abraham Lincoln. And this isn't even the first time Trump has shifted his predictions. In fact, the only thing we've been able to rely on Trump for is throwing out estimates that keep on changing. If we didn't do it, you would have had a million people, a million and a half people, maybe two million people dead. But we're going toward 50 or 60,000 people. It looks like we'll be at about a 60,000 mark.

60,000, maybe 65,000. 65,000 people. 70,000, 75,000, 80 or 90,000 people. They had minimum numbers of 100,000, and I think we're gonna beat that. If we could hold that down, as we're saying to 100,000, so we have between 100 and 200,000, we all together have done a very good job. And that is why Donald Trump will always be in the top five presidents of all time.

Okay, maybe top 10. You know what, possibly top five presidents of all time. Okay, maybe top 10. You know what? Possibly top 30. If he's in the top 45, then I would say he's done a very good job. Don't go away, because after the break, Djibuki Young White investigates the challenges gay men have in donating blood, and I'll talk to Sweden's Dr. Fauci

to find out why their country hasn't shut down. When 60 Minutes premiered in September 1968, there was nothing like it. This is 60 Minutes. It's a kind of a magazine for television. Very few have been given access to the treasures in our archives. But that's all about to change. Like none of this stuff gets looked at. That's what's incredible. I'm Seth Done of CBS News. Listen to 60 Minutes, a second look, starting September 17th, wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back to the Daily Social Distancing Show. During this pandemic, there have been a lot of people who have gone above and beyond, donating their money, their time, and even their blood. But as our own Djibuki Young White reports, for some people, it's not that easy to be a hero. With a vaccine still about a year away, medical experts are looking at other ways to treat

COVID-19 patients, and there's one thing right now that seems to be working. Convalescent plasma. Convalescent plasma? Closma? Actually, the plasma, the plasma, the plasma, the plasma, the plasma, the plasma, the plasma, the plasma, the plasma, the plasma, the plasma, the plasma, the plasma, the plasma, the plasma, the plasma, the plasma, the plasma, the plasma, the plasma, the plasma, the plasma, the plasma, the plasma, tha, thuasmuclasea, thozyluclucluclucluclucal thozylucal thozylapususk, thozys, thuucoa, thuucoa, thuuucoa, thuuuuuuuuuuuuucoa, thuuuuucoa, thucoa, thucoa, thuica, thuic thuic thuic thuic thuic thuic thuic thuic thii, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thia, thoa, thoa, thoa, thoa, thoa, thoa, thu.a,escent plasma. Closma? Actually, the plasma of recovered COVID patients, it's the one thing right now, more valuable than total paper. If you've recovered from COVID-19, doctors want your blood. So I sat down with two people who might be able to help. Do you still have COVID or like, how does that work? No, I'm good. I I was cleared I've been without symptoms for about 30 or 30 some days now. So I've been symptom free from coronavirus for about three weeks and then basically recovered. So can you explain to me what convalescent plasma treatment is? Yeah that's where people

donate plasma to get people better. Oh okay right, right, right, right, right, right. That's the therapy that Madonna uses on her face where she takes a blood of her 20-year-old lovers to look younger. Okay. So it's not exactly that, but what happens is people who have coronavirus, their immune systems develop antibodies,

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This was during the AIDS crisis, which was another disease that the government didn't do shit about until it was far too late. In 2015, that ban was lifted the the the the the the the the the the the the the FDA the FDA the FDA the FDA the FDA the FDA the FDA the FDA the FDA the FDA the FDA the FDA the FDA tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha to to to tha tha to toa toa toa toa toa toa toa toa toa toa toa toa toa toa toa toa toa toa that that that that that tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha toa toa tha ta ta ta ta ta ta ta toa toa toa toa toa toa toa toa toa toa toa to which was another disease that the government didn't do shit about until it was far too late. In 2015, that ban was lifted. But if a gay man wanted to donate blood, he just couldn't have sex for 12 months. That's some straight-up Mike Pence shit right there. But now, in the middle of this pandemic, the FDA relaxed their bullshit policy to three months. That's like an entire coughing season. Where are th you to find a man who hasn't had sex in three months? So I'm actually eligible to donate for the first time since I was 18. Oh, boom!

So after a few rounds of screenings, I was given an appointment to donate. So what are gay blood drives like now? Like, is everybody on Molly and listening to the new Duolipa album? Yeah, it wasn't quite like that. After I arrived and was preparing to donate through the New York Blood Center, they asked me why I hadn't donated since I was 18. I volunteered I was gay, and that's when they told me they're not yet recognizing the new relaxed deferral, and so they weren't willing to accept my donation. Wow. They are making it really hard for you guys. You know, if you want them to take your blood,

you can't just reveal that you're gay. You're going to have to pass as a straight guy. What does straight people look like? Okay, so first, Lucas, let's take a look at your outfit. I'm going to need you to stand up and twirl around, not twirl, spin around. Okay, so, so I've, I've th, I've th, I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've got, I've got, I've got, I've got spin around. Okay, okay, so I've got this. Okay, is this your straightest outfit right now? Your look should kind of say I'm looking for a girlfriend to shop for me

because I can't shop for myself. That should. Also, do you have any clothes that your mom bought you? No, no, no. Plad? Do you have any plaid? Any plaid? More plapl. No plaplad? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I I th. I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. th. th. th. I've th. th. thi. thi. I've the. the. tha. tha. the. tha. I've got the. I've th. I've th. I've th. I've know. No, no. No. No. Plad? Do you have any plaid? Any plaid? More plaid? No, but it's really cute. It's like, it fits like exactly. No, no. How about any boot cut jeans? No, I mean straight cut? Do you have any shoes that look like they're too casual for formal events and then too formal for casual events? And they're scuffed up and they look like they're the only the only the only the only the only the only the only the only only only only only only only only only only only only only only only only only only only only only only only only only only only only only only only only only the only the only the only the only the only the only the only the only the only the only the only the th. th. the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. But th. But th. But th. But th. th. th. th. th. cute. cute. cute. cute. cute. cute. cute. cute. cute. cute. cute. cute. cute. cute. cute cute cute cute cute cute cute cute the the the the the the only cute the only cute the only cute the only cute the only cute the only cute the only cute the only the only the only the only the only the only the only the only the only the only the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the like they're too casual for formal events and then too formal for casual events and they're scuffed up and they look like they're the only shoes that you've owned for the past a decade. Yeah, never mind Lucas, never mind. You can just have a seat, you can have a seat. Let me hear you say, just say bro. Like if I say take my blood bra bra. And there. And there it is. I'm there. And I'm tak. the the the the b. Br. Br. Br. Br. Br. Br. Br. Br. Br. Br. Br. Br. Br. Br. Br. Br. Br. Br. Br. B. B. B. B. B. B. B. B. B. B. B. B. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. B. B. B. B. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the only only only only only shoes. S shoes. S shoes. S shoes. S shoes. S shoes. S shoes. S shoes. S shoes. that you've th. S shoes. th. S. S. th. there. So-Cal, Skater, you know, 90, I'm there and I'm sold. I believe it. Yeah, the thing is we shouldn't have to pass as straight, right? What do you mean, Jack? So being gay or bisexual isn't a real risk factor for HIV. Say you have a straight man who's had sex with 100 women in the past month and never used a condom.

That person can still donate blood. But if there is a gay man who's been having sex with his husband and wearing condoms consistently, that person can't. Yeah, I think at the end of the day, we need science and not stigma to make decisions about donor eligibility. FTA is sending this message again that if you're gay, the only way that you can be a good, clean, charitable

person, the kind of person who don't have sex. So until the FDA comes around, we'll just have to keep our fine, fabulous blood all to ourselves. Thank you so much for that Jabuki. And in some good news, one of the men Jabuki interviewed has since been able to donate his plasma to a private hospital. Hopefully the federal guidelines will change soon to make that more common. When we come back, my guest will be Dr. Anders Tegnell, Sweden's chief epidemiologist. So stick around, we'll be right back. When 60 Minutes premiered in September 1968, there was nothing like it.

This is 60 Minutes. It's a kind of a magazine for television. Very few have been given access to the treasures in our archives. But that's all about to change. Like none of this stuff gets looked at. That's what's incredible. I'm Seth Done of CBS News. Listen to 60 Minutes a second look on Apple podcasts starting September 17. Welcome back to the daily social distancing show. Earlier today I got the chance to speak to Dr. Anders Tegno, the chief epidemiologist for the country of Sweden and we

talked about how they've taken a different approach in Sweden, right? They haven't imposed lock towns and they haven't imposed any quarantines. But is it working? Well, there's only one man we could ask to find out. Dr. Tegnell, thank you so much for joining us on the Daily Social Distancing Show. You are chatting to a train station right now, is that correct? Yeah, that's correct. A train station in Stockholm, Sweden. OK. Are you commuting? Are you still out and about? Yes, I'm commuting from my home, which is in Lynn Shopping town,

some 200 kilometers to the south. OK. Sweden is an interesting outlier in the world, where most countries in the world have decided to completely lock everything down, keep people indoors and shut down the country, Sweden has gone for a different approach. Sweden has decided to keep the country fairly open but require citizens to social distance themselves, to remain responsible, to limit gatherings to below 50 people, and I think, you know, like older people are meant to stay at home, etc. Tell me about what Sweden is doing, and then would you mind explaining to me how Sweden came to that decision to do it differently to everyone else in the world?

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where we think and we know from other diseases and we've seen in other countries, most of the disease disease but they stand. And I think that has had a great effect in many ways. It has enabled our health system to keep on functioning. It has had other interesting effects, like over Easter, Swedish people travel a lot. Only 10% of the normal travels were done, which is a lot of change. Our yearly epidemic of flu suddenly stopped when we instituted this measures in the middle of the normal wave. So in th, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which is is, which is, which is, which is, which is, which is, which is, which is, which is, which is, which is, which is th is th is th is th, which is th, which is th is th is thi, which is thi, thi, thi, thi, it has thi, it has thi, it has thi, it has thi, it has thi, it has thi, it has their their their their their their their their their, it, it has has, it has, it has, it has, it has, it has, it has, it has, it has, it has, it has, it has, it has their their their their their their thi. It has thi, it's thi, it's thi, thi, thi.a. It's thia.a.a.a.a.a.a. It has a thea.a.a.a instituted this measures in the middle of the normal way.

So in that way, it's worked and we have used sort of what we normally use in Sweden when it comes to public health. And that's really telling people to take responsibility and do the things they think will fit them the best in diminishing the threat to spread a disease to other people. And I think that's historically worked very well. Tell me about what's happening in Sweden. What have you seen from the numbers in and around the coronavirus? Do you think Sweden has seen the worst of it? I think in Sweden like in many countries it's different in different parts of

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have gotten a hospital bed for COVID-19 or for other diseases, so it's kept on working. And intensive-in, th-in, the beds free at any given time. So in that respect the strategy has been successful. We manage to keep the level of spread on a level below the threshold of the health system which I think is one very important part in any kind of strategy. People look at the numbers of countries around Sweden and they go their death rates is far lower in terms of coronavirus. Sweden's numbers are higher, but then if you look at other countries like Italy and Spain, etc. They have higher numbers than Sweden. So when you say Sweden is successful, so when you say Sweden is successful, how do you just looking at it at it holistically? What does that mean Sweden is successful? I think we're trying to look at it holistically and I'm

not saying we were successful in all different ways. I mean a death toll is really something we worry a lot about and it's very much related to our elderly people's homes who have proven to be extremely susceptible to this disease and we know that there is a number of things quality-wise that needs to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be a to be a to be a their their their their their their their their. their. their. their. their. their. their. thi. their. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. their. their. their. I is a their. I I is a their. I I I is a their. I I I I is a their. I I I. I. I. I is a their. I. I. I. I is a their. I. I. I is a thii. I is a thi. I is a thi. I's thi. I's thi. thea. thea. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. thea. thea. thea. thea. the t. And we know that there is a number of things quality-wise that needs to be addressed in those and we are addressing them with a lot of other agencies involved and we're seeing some improvements. But our death toll has very much to do with that. In other aspects, it's many of the things I work, I think, reasonably well. And I think the good thing is that we've been able to keep schools open. Keeping schools schools schools open the schools open the schools open to school school school school school school school school school school school th school th children is very th children is very th children is very their th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, th. th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, their, their, thi, and, and, and, keep schools open. Keeping schools open is very important for children and children's health. We know that for sure.

We have been able to keep a lot of people working. We know that losing your work is very dangerous to your health. So we've been trying to take a slightly more holistic approach to this than maybe some other countries have done. There have been reports coming out, the there will be herd immunity achieved, I think in Stockholm at least, over the coming weeks. What does herd immunity mean for you and what are you hoping herd immunity will achieve for Sweden? I think complete herd immunity, we're not sure any country will ever achieve because that

means that the cease goes away and I don't really see this disease going away. But even some immunity in the population like the 20, 25% percent that we are th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th that the disease goes away and I don't really see this disease going away. But even some immunity in the population like the 20-25% that we are reaching now will have a great effect on the speed of spread. So with that and the measures we have in place and with immunity going up, I think there is a possibility that we can eased down on some of the restrictions otherwise that we have so that we by the immunity level of the restrictions otherwise that we have. So that we, by the immunity level of the population, can have such a slow spread of the disease that society can start work more or less normally again. I mean, some parts of it will always be at risk.

I mean, elderly people will most likely be, always be at risk for this kind of disease and so. But many things we can then ease up a bit on. If somebody said to you Dr. Tegnell you know your numbers we understand your methodology we understand everything you're trying to do but having triple the death rates of countries like nowhere in Denmark means that you know you've put some lives above other lives. Do you think that that's a decision epidemiologists slash governments need to make? Is it that th th th th th th th th th th th th to th to to th i i i i i i i i i i i to to to to to to to to to to to the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to be to to to be to be the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi. the the the the the the the te.e.e. te. te. te. te. te. toe. toe. toe. the. Do you think that that's a decision epidemiologist slash governments need to make? Is it an easy decision to make? I'm, you know, because I don't think anybody has the right answer in this regard, but I'd like to know like how you got, how you and

your team got to that place where you said, you know what, it's worth the risk. We want kids to be in schools, we want people to still still to still to still to still to still to to to to to their to to their. to be to be their, their, to be to be their, to be their, their, to be to be their, their, to be the to be to be the the their, the th. to be, to be, to, to, the the the the the the to, their, their, the their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the. Wea.ea.ea.ea.ea.ea.ea.ea.ea.ea.ea.ea. Wea. I's, toe. I's, th. I's, the their, we want people to still be working, and we understand that that might lead us to have a higher death toll initially. No, I don't think, we never really calculated with a higher death toll initially. I must say that that's not right. I mean, we calculated the more people being sick, but the death toll really came as a surprise to us. We really thought that our early homes would be be be be be be be be be be be much be much be much be much be much be much thapapapapapapapapapapapap – th – thi, we thi, we thi, we thi, we thi, we thi, we thi, we thi, we thi, we thi, we thi, we really thi, we really thi, we really thi, we really thi, we really thi, we really thi, we really thi, we really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really thi, we really thi, we really their, we their, we their, we their, we their, we thi, we thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, that, that, that, that, that, thi.. thi. thi. throwneeeeeeeeeeat, that, their, their, their outside of them than they actually been in here. Not that Sweden is the only country with this problem. I mean, many countries in Europe have the problem with Adelie-on. So obviously it's very difficult to keep the disease away from there. And even if we're doing our best, it's not obviously not enough. So we are not putting

anybody's life above everybody else's lives. That's not the way we are working. We are really trying to keep public health as good as possible in this troublesome time. That's really interesting, because that's not how it's being reported in many places. No, I'm glad you said that. It's interesting to hear it from somebody in Sweden who's part of this directly. Because Sweden is doing something differently, because populations around the world are getting agitated, because people are growing in unrest, there's protests, people feel, they want to go back outside, they want to work, etc, etc., etc.

People are now using Sweden as the example. If somebody said to you, Dr. Tegnell, people want to take Sweden's model and apply it to a country like America, would you have an opinion on that? Not really. I mean, I'm sure there are some things from Sweden that can be transferred to other countries and some things are not. I think some things will become increasingly clear. We are feeling more and more confident about closing schools. It's not something that's really going to be very effective for this kind of disease. It doesn't seem to be very much of a motor of this epidemic like it is in flu epidemics and so. So some things definitely. Building up the trust between the agency and the population that we have in Sweden is something that takes a long time.

The trust level has always been high, now it's increasing, we are 70, 80% of the population thinks we are doing a great job. Only like 5, 10% doubt that what we are doing. And we're even finding that people have more, better and better adherence to our guidance. I mean, more and more people are keeping social distance and these kind of things which is actually the opposite of what you see in other country where people are revolting against it here we see that people are more and more in line with what we want them to do. Right well doctor thank you

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