The Daily Show: Ears Edition - Black Women Own Guns Too and Finding New Lanes for Women Comics | Guest Spotlight

Episode Date: August 11, 2024

Best selling author, publisher, and professor, Roxane Gay, joins Michael Kosta to talk about her new e-book, “Stand Your Ground: A Black Feminist Reckoning with America’s Gun Problem,” her decision to buy a gun, and why only heterosexual, white men are allowed to exercise their Second Amendment rights. Also, stand-up comedian Hannah Berner discusses her Netflix special, “We Ride At Dawn,” and how she’s finding her own path in comedy that doesn’t rely solely on late nights at comedy clubs with questionable dudes. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

John Stewart here, unbelievably exciting news. My new podcast, The Weekly Show, we're going to be talking about the election, economics, ingredient to bread ratio on sandwiches. Listen to the weekly show with John Stewart, wherever you get your podcast. You're listening to the Daily Show of my guest tonight is a best-selling author, publisher, and a professor whose new e-book is called Stand Your Ground, a black feminist reckoning with America's gun problem. Please welcome Roxanne Gay. Wow, all right. What made you want to write this piece about guns?

A lot of my brother was a big gun. But my brother was a big gun owner, very enthusiastic about guns, which was weird because nobody and my family cares about guns. And we were like, oh, where did this come from? Yeah. My brother was a big gun owner, very enthusiastic about guns, which was weird because nobody in my family cares about guns. And we were like, oh, where did this come from? And he kept trying to get my other brother and I to buy a gun and we were like, oh, no, we're good.

And finally he broke us all down. And so I got my first gun, and one of the things I noticed at the gun store and at the gun range was that there were a lot of people of color and black women in particular. And so I thought, why are black women buying guns other than the obvious? Well, why are black women buying guns? Black women, I think, are buying guns simply because we often recognize that if we don't protect ourselves, no one else will. A lot of times, it's that we don't trust that the police will come to our homes and protect us. And in fact, Sonia Massey's murder recently bears that out,

among many others. And so I think it's not a form of empowerment, which I think is overused and cheesy, but it is a form of protection and recognizing that sometimes you have to take your own defense defense to to to to to to their to their to to their their to their to their to their to to their their their to their to to their to to to to to to to to to to to to take your own defense in your own hands. There's something beautiful about a bunch of white, male forefathers 260 years ago, not envisioning black and brown people at the shooting range? I know. Was it beautiful? Was that? I mean, I think that there's a lot to be said about the founders and their lack of vision.

I mean, people always talk about how much vision they have. You mentioned it in the essay that the Second Amendment wasn't written for black people. It wasn't written for black people. It wasn't written for women. They saw us as only three-fifths of a person. So I guess we could only use three-fifths of a musk. But now, you know, if the Second Amendment applies to white men, it applies to all of us. And I, you know... Do you, I mean, what's fun about this essay is, it's not you writing about people that own guns.

You, you bought a gun. I did. In fact, your first gun, the Beretta was a little too big. Then you bought a different gun. It was just so big. Yeah. Kind of like the pole vaulter. What can you do? Yeah. What's it like buying a gun? I know that half the country's going to hear that question and laughing. But there's a lot of people that don't, I had no idea, even know how to buy a gun. What was it like buying a gun for you? Well, I live in California most of the time and so it's a kind of a pain, but it should be, like it should be, it's a pain to buy a gun, yeah, it's also a pain for other reasons. Yeah, Yeah, you have to take a take a take a take a take a take a take a take a take a take a take a to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their a the their to to to buy a to buy a to buy a to buy a to buy a to buy a to buy a to buy a to buy a to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their., their their their their their their tha.a.a.a.a. thro.a. the.a.a.a.a.a. the.a.a.a. to.a.a. to.a. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. It's like the driver's exam. You study the booklet in their car beforehand. Right. And you fill out an application, you get a background check, and then 10 days after you do all of that, you can pick up the gun, which I think is great. Take us some time, really think through, like do I really need this? Or am I angry? I mean, a gun destroys things. I mean, a gun destroys things. I mean. I thi thi. I thine thine thine thine. I thine. I thine. I thine. I th. I the th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. the the thi. the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. And their. And their. And their. And their. And their. And their. And their. And their. And their. And their. And their. And, their. And, their. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, the. And, te. And, te. And, te. And, te. And, te. And, te. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, their their It takes people's lives. It causes grievous injuries.

We talk a lot about the people who die from gun violence, but there are people whose lives are irrevocably changed because of really bad injuries, the loss of limbs, the loss of organs. And so you really have to think very carefully about why you would welcome a weapon like this into your home. But we don't have children. If we had children, it would be a complete non-starter. Well how did you, and maybe I'm asking selfishly, how did you, or was it hard to convince your wife to have a gun in the house?

No, surprisingly. Okay. Yeah. But that's another consideration. It was 100% of consideration. If she said no, the answer would be no. But she's a lifelong New Yorker. So. Right. She's not afraid of a good fight.

And she's like, why I need a gun when I'm a New Yorker, I'll do all my fists. She does not need a gun at all. She doesn't even need her fist. She has a very capable mouth. What, what, I'm just going to leave that there. What has, what did you learn that maybe you weren't expecting about America's gun epidemic in this process? I learned so much and I think everyone, I mean we read the statistics every single time there's a horrific crime and nothing ever changes, But there are more guns than people in this country.

Which cannot possibly be the case, but yet it is. And only about 35% of Americans own guns, which is to say that the people who own guns really, really love their guns, and they own a whole lot of them. And that really surprised me because when you listen to the NRA and other lobbyists talk about gun ownership they really make it seem like everyone's kind of like walking around with a gun in their purse or in the back of their jeans and that's not the case and nor should it be and yet that's what we hear that so many people own guns now it's a choice that some people make and yet those people get a disproportionate amount of our cultural attention. One thing that really resonated with me in the essay was when you went to the shooting

range and you almost, you were mentioning the shooting instructor, Raul, how obsessed he was with safety. Yes. And I loved hearing that. Oh yeah, I was so hardcore. But I mean, this is, this side of gun ownership isn't always told. A lot of responsible gun owners are obsessed with safety. Share a little bit of that experience with that.

For sure. When you hear about gun violence in general, it's irresponsible gun owners. It's people who don't know how to handle it properly. But before we even went to the range, we took some classes because we're nerds. And we sat in an actual classroom. And he was like here are the four the four the four the four the four the four the four the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. to, theeee. to, to, to, to, to, to, to, toeeee. toe. to, the., here are the four rules of gun safety. Write it down. Which I did. Yeah.

And it was really heartening to see that there is a responsible way to go about this, that you don't have to be casual, you don't have to be careless, and you can protect not only yourselves, but the people in your household and also their community by being responsible and also, you know, locking up your guns. Do you feel safer owning a gun? No, not really. Yeah. But that's because I know what happens to legal gun ownership for black people when the police are involved. Yeah. So, not necessarily, but I do feel like, I get a lot of death threats. That's what precipitate. Yeah, that's what I want. I mean, what, you know, I have friends that's that that that that that that that th. th. th. th th. th th th th th th th th th you th th th you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, the the the their their their their the the the their their their their their their their their, you, you, you, you, you their, you their, you their, you their, you their their their their their their their their their their their, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, the the the their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their the their th. th. th. th. thoooooooooooooo. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the get a lot of death threats. That's what precipitating buying a gun. I mean, you know, I have friends that say they own guns for, um, defense of their home, and I kind of laugh, because I go,

you live on 10 acres, you don't even have a neighbor. But when you were describing in the book that you get true death threats and threatening your wife, that's, that, threats, threats, threats, threats, threats, threats, threats, threats, the, threats, threats, they, they, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their defense, their defense, their defense, their defense, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, and, and, their, and, their, thr-a, thr-a, thr-a, thr-a, thr-augh, thr-a, thr-a, theateateateateateateateate, their, their, their, their, wife, that's different now. It's different and it starts to get closer and closer to home. And as the threats became more and more specific, particularly during COVID, I just thought, man, am I gonna sit around and wait for something to happen or not? But the thing that makes me feel most safe is we also got a dog during COVID and he thinks he weighs 90 and he lets us know when someone's even thinking about the house. And so that's actually what makes me feel safe.

Like, I don't know if I can stop something, but Max, our dog, Maximus Toretto Blueberry. He's absolutely going to let us know. I mean, in some states, there's more regulations about dog adoption than getting a gun. Yes, and in some states, women have more rights as gun owners than they do as women or people with uteruses. You know, you wrote that black gun ownership is definitely a political act. White gun ownership is generally taken as an inalienable right. Explain that to me.

Absolutely. We tend to look at the Bill of Rights, I almost of the Ten Commandments. I mean, you know. They're getting closer and closer, yeah. And, you know, we treat those Bill of Rights as inalienable. But the further you get from a white heterosexual cisgender man, the more you have to fight for those rights. And the more you are considered sort of an anomaly when you choose to avail yourself of those rights. And I'm not the kind of person who's going to rep myself in the Second Amendment.

I think that no one should be able to own a gun and if they want to come take it, like, feel free. But that said, as long as the right is there, I think there are many black gun owners who say, why not? And and why th enthusiasts, some people are concerned with self-defense and home protection, and there's room for all of that. We contain multitudes. I love in your essay, you reminded all of us that the Second Amendment is 27 words. It is. It is.

It is shocking, given how often people talk about it. I mean, it's kind of like, hey guys, we need a little more clarity here. You would think. Could we be like a little more specific? But also in 1787, when they were writing those 27 words, it musket took like a long time to load. And it only shot one bullet at a time. I don't think that the founding fathers could have begun to imagine what that gun would become. And the fact that we that we that we that we that we that we that we that we that we that we that we that we that we that we that that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's the fact that we decided collectively that we were okay with not regulating weapons of mass destruction is something that astonishes me every single day.

Let's talk about stand your ground and you know, you dive into it in the essay. It feels kind of f-up actually when you start to think, oh, we actually put a law on the books that you're allowed to kill somebody. Should it, you know, should it be more inclusive? Should it be taken off the books? I mean, what is a thought you have on Stand Your Ground? Well, I think it should be more specific and I think that if it applies to one person it should apply to everyone. Right. Like George Zimmerman used stand your ground as his excuse for killing Trayvon Martin. But Marissa Alexander also used stand your ground. She was a legal gun owner who shot in the air away from her former partner who was menacing her and against whom

she had a restraining order and she spent five years in jail and house or under house arrest because of that and so when black people try to stand their ground in general It is used against them and so that's really what we have to change But I also don't think we should be given carte blanche to take other people's lives Yeah, you you you painted well you shared a lot of examples that I was unfamiliar with and it's a great read. Kamala Harris. How you feeling? I'm feeling great.

As a black, as a black woman, as a feminist, as a gun owner, I don't know if that pertains. It actually doesn't pertain at all. However, I think that... I don't know if that pertains. It actually doesn't pertain at all. However, I think that I wasn't really advocating for Biden to step down, but I was excited when he did. I think that Vice President Harris is going to be a very interesting president. I think we have an opportunity. For so long we've been told we have to wait untiltill 2025 24 or 2032 2040 who knows for real political change

And even in the run-up to Harris becoming the nominee people were saying that she's not a viable candidate like what about Gavin Newsom what about Gretchen Whitmer and so I think it is a real interesting moment to consider who is Kamala Harris and what kind of president would she be and we don't just have to critically engage with her. I think we can th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th the thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi thi thi the thi thi thi the thi thi to to consider who is Kamala Harris and what kind of president would she be and we don't just have to uncritically engage with her. I think we can ask her genuine political questions about where she stands on the major issues we're dealing with right now, whether it's Gaza, Ukraine, reproductive freedom here in the country, transgender rights, and it's a very long list. But I am encouraged, I think she's going to do the job extremely well. I don't think that she's going to make everyone happy, but I don't think that's possible for a president. And look at the alternative. Thank you for talking with us.

The original e-books and audio books, Danger Ground is available only on Eberran, Roxanne Gay. Hey, everybody, John Stewart here. I am here to tell you about my new podcast, The Weekly Show, it's going to be coming out every Thursday. So exciting, you'll be saying to yourself, TGID, thank God it's Thursday. we're going to be talking about all the things that hopefully obsess you in the same way that they obsess me, the election, economics, earnings calls. What are they talking about on these earnings calls? We're gonna be talking about ingredient to bread ratio on sandwiches.

And I know that I listed that fourth, but in importance, it's probably second. I know you have a lot of options as far as podcasts go, but how many of them come out on Thursday? I mean, talk about innovative. Listen to the weekly show with John Stewart, wherever you get your podcast. My guest tonight is a stand-up comedian whose Netflix special is called We Ride at Dawn. Please welcome Hannah Berner. Look at this is amazing. This is your so daily show. I try to match the energy. Yeah. I mean, look at this. This is amazing. This is your so daily show. I try to match the energy. Yeah. Um. Um. That's great. That's great. That's great. Um. Congrats on your special. Thank you. It's doing great. It's thr. It's thrown. It's the. thi. th. th. th. th. th. thoing. thoing. thoing. thoing. thoing. thoing. thoing. thoing. thoing. thoing. thoing. thoing. thoing. thoing. th. th. th. to thoing. thoing. to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thoing. thoing. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. to to thooooooooooooing. to to to to to to the. the. the. That's great. that's great.

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It depends on the cult, Michael. Some are better than others, and I would fall for one. I am one of those people who would fall for a call. It's always a very compelling person, it seems to be. They're so good at sales. Yeah. I mean, so naturally, you're a comedian, but was this drawn from some bachelorette experience? And there had to be some people that mad that mad that mad that mad that mad that mad that mad that mad that mad that mad that had to be some people that mad about this joke. I hate to call myself out, but it was my bachelorette.

Oh! Oh! The audience made me feel really bad about that. No, but I kind of felt this weird sense of power. Like everyone was like, look, making sure I was okay. And I was like, in the wrong wrong hands this could go real wrong. Yeah So I think I was able to be good, but it's just look there's already a wage gap and we're paying all this money for bachelorette's. Yeah. Honestly, I feel like the man came up with the bachelorette idea. Okay. Okay. Okay. Uh, I remember when people were like, Michael, are you doing a Bachelor Party?

I'm like, I'm a stand-up comic who's on the road. It's all the Bachelor Party. It's all a Bachelor Party. It's all a Bachelor. You hit the road. You are a stand-up comic. You've got to a lot going on. But let's talk about being a woman in comedy.

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But there is a male... Do you want to tell them what happened? What happened? What did it? What happened? Well you brought your dog Walter to the green room once. Holy shit. And I was trying to have like a safe calm energy before my show and Walter just growled at me. And I'm already dealing with all the comics give me weird energy. This dog doesn't like me. Yeah and I thought dogs could read good character. Yeah well maybe he can. So Walter is a dick my dog and you should follow Daily Show dogs there's a lot of pictures of him on there but you know if you had him for the weekend he would snuggle up with you. I appreciate. Although I noticed on your special and the end I watched it very end, I watched it all the way through to the end. You thank some

people, one of which is your cat. Yes. Butters? Butters? Butter saved my life. Tell me how? Tell me how. My therapy cat? Which is perfect because it says on here, how did your cat save your life? It doesn't say that. I've never heard that before that before that before that before that before that before that before that before that before that before that before that before that before that before that before that before that that that that that that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. tho th. th. th. the the th. the th. the th. the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. the th. th. th. the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th th th th th th. th. th. th. One th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. And, Am I trying to run for something right now? What am I doing? No, but I do feel like there's moments where a cat just being there for you, not judging you for all of your mistakes and regrets. She just loves you for you and that was important in some hard times in my life. Because, you know, comedy is a coping mechanism. I think having a really cute animal is also a coping mechanism.

This whole business is people saying no to you, but when I come home my dog says yes to me. And that sounds like very sexual what I just said. I don't mean it to sound the way. Your special is not, it's, keep going, keep going, Michael, keep going. Don't talk about f-fee your dog after bad sense. All comics should have a pet that loves them no matter what. Yeah, because the audience doesn't always love you. No, it's true. Your special, I'm a man and you say at some point in your special like there's not a lot of men here. You point, you a guy yeah yeah and I'm like oh I'm sure he loved that but am I

was I allowed as a man was I allowed to consume and watch your special I love I feel like it's kind of like you know what the reality TV shows that guys were like I'm not into this stuff yeah but then like half an hour in you see him in the kitchen just like why she say that to the to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th you the to th you to th I thi I'm to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th I th is I th is th is th is the I the I thi I the I the I the I the I'm tooooooooooooooooooo. te I te I the the I the I was to the I was the I was to to that to her. Why don't you say that? Totally. So I feel like this is a great special to watch with your guy. And I feel like it's kind of the female locker room, like they hear things or girls are like, see I'm not the only one who like during a, can I say a quief? Anyway, I feel like I like kind of just speaking out as a childless community. Yeah, and making guys kind of understand us a little more and like we like the comedy, I like, I like, I like, I like, I like, I like, I like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, th, th, th, th, th. Like, th. Like, th. Like, th. Like, th. Like, th. Like, th. Like, th. Like, th. Like, th. Like, like, like, like, like, little more. And like we like this comedy from a male perspective. And I think it's great to have the female perspective too. I agree. And it's, yeah.

The Daily Show's been on air for 29 years. No one has ever said, quief behind this. I was trying not to and it just came out. But which that's in contradiction to what you said in the special because in the special you said I've never quief by myself you. You skinny dick queefed me. Yes yes I don't know if I use the term skinny dick you You just said that. Oh shit. I said needle dick. I said needle dick. I do think a lot of girls have been gaslit to believe that like they have a problem if they queaf and it's like he queefed you. Yeah. And I got a lot of messages. I got a lot of messages from women being like it it happened to thi and I felt no shame. And if that that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's th. And I that's th. th. that's th. that's th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I thi. I th. th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I the the the th. I the th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I thi. I thi. I thi. I the. I the. I the. I the. I the. I the. I thee. I the. I theeeeeee. I theeeee. I thee. I the. I the the world that's what I brought. I mean that's like... A lot of fun.

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which we all love to do. And we might edit a lot of that out. Yeah. But people don't know that when I first started comedy, we hit tennis who's a successful comedian. Maybe there's a chance that I could do well in this business. And look where we are now, it's pretty cool. Yeah, I like how you're saying we. The reason Walter growled at you is you saw the trajectory of your career.

He was like, stop her now. No, I mean, you played at University of Wisconsin, Madison. Go Badgers. I mean what is this, what is this evoke? What does that evoke for you? I'm upset. By the way, that's her. We didn't just pull like... No, you know I was in it, you know, waking up at 6 a.m., weights, tennis. Yeah, look at that. Yeah, I, you know, I worked my butt off and I do think that there was a moment when I didn't go pro Where I was like this was all for nothing. Yeah. I'm glad I wasted 15 years in my life Yeah

And I really now looking back realize how tennis did prepare me for a lot of the adversity that I've dealt with comedy and how With comedy you're never like a real loser unless you like tell yourself you're a loser right because I could I could be like they liked it. They've they were laughing with their nose like they where tennis it's like you lost you suck. So I've been much kinder to myself with comedy than I was with tennis and I think you know dealing with pressure has been easier compared to like some of the things I dealt with with tennis. Why is the junior tennis world, and excuse us everybody, we're just going to talk about junior tennis for a second, but it's very niche. You're so true about being kinder to ourselves and I think it's something we all can do all the time, positive self-talk. And I, in his junior tennis player ten, ten, ten, ten, ten, ten, ten, ten, ten, ten, ten, ten, ten, ten, ten, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, their, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, their, their, tso. tso. their, their, their, the junior tennis, the junior tennis, the junior tennis, the junior tennis, the junior, the junior, the junior, the junior, the the, the junior, the, the, the the,. Is this, is junior ten, I mean, is it traumatic?

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Quit your jobs. Quit your jobs. Find joy. Do drugs. Do you still follow tennis? Do you still follow tennis? I'm newly back obsessed with tennis. I watch tennis all day. I'm training again.

But like, you're training. It's almost like therapeutic in my own way. Like I take a lot of breaks. Yeah, that's okay. Who, of the pro players out to some young Americans, Emma Navarro. She's extremely talented. Jesse Pagula, Cocoa Goff, Ben Shelton. Yeah.

Yeah. What is it that you look for in a pro? What is it that you look for? Like, I like fashion. And then I like backhand. I really want to play it as a badass backhand, right? I like a player who's fearless. I like a player who goes for things and does things

that I never had putspa to do on my own. I love that. I want to see people who seem like they have no fear. Even though I know they're all scared. It's cool to see like they're not human. I love watching Ben Shelton. Ben Shelton will hit like 150 Mount hours second serve. And the way I used it at second serves was like this, please go in, please go in, please go in, please go in, please go in, please go in.

I mean, I think it's tennis is such a mental battle, so I love seeing people overcome then she won a major after that. So I love seeing people deal with diversity, and I love comebacks. I love revenge. Honestly, sports is the best reality TV. Let's talk about last thing. You mentioned it. Revenge.

Yeah. You're okay, that's that's that's it. That's all needs to know. No, but I mean one of the things that endeers One of the things that I really love about you is your work ethic. I mean before the show I see you doing man on the street in the city of New York Afterwards, you're always like you're oh you got your podcast you got your tick toc, you're crushing it. What is driving? What is driving? this this this this this this this this this th. Is th. Is th. Is th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that? You. that's? You. th. that's? You. the th. You. that's that's that's that's that. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. I. I. I th. I th. th. th. I th. I th. I th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I th. I th. th. I th. I th. I th it some kind of revenge? I would say that's a glamorous. I would love to blame revenge, but like I'm running from my thoughts. Okay. When I'm sitting alone for an hour, I start to be like, who is going to die? And I just, I love working. It makes me feel fulfilled.

I love creating. But I also think revenge, like, there's always going to be people don't believe in you or people who try to take you down. And I think as a tennis player, we're very individual. So I kind of have this story in my head where I'm like, I'm going to take all that energy and help motivate me every day to like keep working, keep creating. I love it. Yeah. Hannah Burner, we ride at Don. We're streaming on Netflix. Explore more shows from the Daily Show Podcast Universe by searching the Daily Show, wherever you get your podcasts. Watch the Daily Show weeknights at 11, 10 Central on Comedy Central and stream full episodes anytime on Paramount Plus.

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