The Daily Show: Ears Edition - Bonus: Therapy in the Black Community from Beyond the Scenes

Episode Date: July 27, 2021

Roy Wood Jr. is joined by Daily Show writers X Mayo and Ashton Womack for a deeply personal discussion about mental health, the Black church, the Black Lives Matter movement and more. Hear a new episode of Beyond the Scenes every Tuesday wherever you get your podcasts. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Here is a special presentation of the Daily Show's new podcast, Beyond the Scenes, hosted by Roywood Jr. will we journey deeper into the topic and issues that we've addressed on the show and explore them even more to see where we are today on these same issues. And we're going to do that with some of the shows writers and producers and special guests. You know how like on the actual daily show we do between the scenes. But see now we're going beyond the scenes. Today we're going to be talking about mental health in the black community. Now. Now. Now. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the thi. the the thi. the the the thi, the the thi, the the same, the same, the same, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, the same, the same, the same, the same, the same, the same, the same, the same, the same, the same, the same, the same. I, the same. I, the same. I, the same. I, th. I, thi. I, thi. I, thi. I's, the same, the same, the same, the same, the same, they. I'm going, they. they. they. the the they. the the the the the same, the same, the same, the same beyond the scenes. Today we're gonna be talking about mental health in the black community. Now, this is a topic that we dealt with on the show

back in December of 2019. There are few groups who could stand to benefit from therapy more than black people. I mean, think about all the things black people have been through, slavery, segregation, winter, all equally traumatic experiences. But unfortunately, even as therapy has become more mainstream, the black community has had a tough time getting the help that they need.

Now, I don't know if you heard, 2020 was a crazy year, all right? A little bit off. You know, you had the pandemic, we had the election, we had the uprisen that occurred after the murders of George Floyd, Ahmed Arboray Bre Bre. B. B. B. B. B. B. B. B. B. B. t. t. t. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. tha, tha. tha. tha. tha, tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t., we had the uprisons that occurred after the murders of George Floyd, Ahmed Aubrey, Brianna Taylor. Needless to say, we were a country that needed some therapy, especially black people. But see, in the black community, access to mental health care is lacking. Black and Hispanic children are less likely to get mental health care than white kids. And studies show that irritability and the average white teenager is often labeled as depression.

That same behavior is more likely to be seen as disruptive in black or Latino children. And doctors say that can lead to feelings of hopelessness at a very young age. We have a stigma in the black community when it comes to dealing with mental health. Black students say where they come from, it's shameful to talk about anxiety depression and trauma making the crisis worse not enough African American therapists today only 4% of psychologists are black it's a serious issue and then having to talk to therapists who don't understand you that can make matters even worse like imagine wasting half your session

explaining what while and out means like you'd have to stop every 10 minutes talking to a white therapist to break down some of the damn obonics or imagine how awkward it gets telling your white therapist that you're in therapy because of white people. Like that'd be like the roadrunner talking to another coyote. I don't have time to break this down. The segment that we did on the show that was only six and a half minutes and there's a lot more to explore with this issue and that's why we have to go beyond the scenes. So to help me do that I'd like to bring in two wonderful, wonderful people from the daily show. I saw these people in the hallways numerous times before the

shutdown. First up, I'd like to introduce Ashton Womack. He is a producer and researcher for the Daily Show with Trevor Noah. Ashton, good day to you, sir, from Parts Unknown, wherever You are. What up, Roy, it's going to stay Parts Unknown, because I don't trust nobody on the internet. What up? the internet what up you're literally on the internet right now talking to me but that's okay the laugh you just heard is that of one of our many Emmy nominated writers on the Daily Show staff she is ex Mayo X what is hatning hello Roy now it's my job to take this topic and kind of merge where you two came in because you both have different entry points but you all are integral parts

and how the show is created on the day-to-day the best thing the best analogy I can give to these two for the listeners you know you have a producer and you have a writer the producer, he goes in shops for the groceries. The writer is the chef. Is that analogy, does that make sense at all? Does that even? Yeah. That's a great.

Yeah. I bring the popcorn, the apples, the milk, and then I tell her to make me a great. And I say, what the fuck is this. . me a great... And I say what the fuck is this? As you see five dollars, you gave me five dollars. What am I supposed to do with popcorn apples and milk? That's what I grew up on, okay? Yes. That sounds wild, but that's literally how the show is made.

One person has an idea or an issue or a problem. Ashton will go to Trevor and the producers and go, hey, mental health and the black people, and we need a hug and nobody's hugging us in the people that can give you a professional hug, you can't find. And then X goes, okay, I'll figure out a way to make that funny. You go sit down somewhere and have yourselves the tape. So Ashton, I'll start with you. the pitch was so good that we actually put it on the show. So what was your entry point into this topic?

The entry point was actually, I wasn't gonna submit that idea at all. I had, my packet was already done. I was at the end of my packet and I was looking at it. And it was a topic that's been in my head. And I was looking at the topics I was talking about. And I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I'm the topic the topic the topic the topic the topic the topic the topic, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, the topic. the topic. the topic, I was, I'm, the topic, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I wasn't, I wasn't, I wasn't, I wasn't, I wasn't, I wasn't, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was. the the topic. the topic. the topic. the topic. the topic. the topic. the topic. the topic. the topic. the topic, I'm not. the. the. th. the. the. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the the th. I was.talking about and I was like if I'm going to submit a packet, I'm going to talk about something. I'm not going to talk about what everybody's, not necessarily what everybody's talking about, but I'm going to put my flavor on it. What is something that's deeply inside of me that I want to talk about?

And that is mental health issues. I don't want to say mental health issues. I don't want to say mental health issues. I I I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't that. I don't want. I don't want that. I don't that. I'm not that. I'm not that's that's that's not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I don't that. I don't. I don't. I that. I that. I that. I that. I that. I that. I that. I that. I that. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I'm. I'm th. I'm th. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not th. I'm not th. I'm not th. I'm not th. I'm not th. I'm not th. I'm not the. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not that's something many people, everyone in this country faces. Everybody on the planet faces mental health issues. And that was something for me that kind of really helped define my adulthood was battling, just battling trying to stay mentally healthy. No one teaches you how to, you learn how to do pushups, you learn how to eat right, but no one tells you how to keep your brain right, how to keep positive thoughts or how to seeing where the source of your problems were. So like I had a personal, a very

personal encounter with dealing with, running up against the problems of trying to find therapy and mental health, not just advocates, but someone who could help me get out of the dark hole and to beat depression, depression, and you know, I found in when battling my own depression that in our own community we have certain stigmas, we have, there's a lot of roadblocks in battling depression. Sometimes, you know, depression, I grew up, it was a depression as a joke, like depression. Black people go through so much you got depression and so it used to be a punchline to me and now I unfortunately ran into the actual ramifications of actual depression. You have your own journey with this issue and then you settle on this and you go you make the decision all right I'm gonna pitch this as a top. So now you have to dig and start finding stuff. What was something that you didn't know?

Like what, illuminate me, if you will, on what were some of the things that you discovered as you start going down. Because you have to, because when you're pitching the segment, it's not just why it's important. It's all of the pothpappapp. Here, the pothp. Here, the poth. Here, the p. Here, the p. the p. the p. the p. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. th. th. thi. thi. thi. th. th. that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that you. What, that you. What was. that you. that you. that you. that's, that you. that you. that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. they. the. they. the. the. the. they. the. the. th. thi. thi. that's, th. th the potholes here's all the as I like to call it the goddamn like every story that's in the field department we don't leave that it's called you don't leave the building unless your story got it well damn I like that I like that so yeah so what was in your research what did you find it was a lot of goddam's there was a lot of goddams One was like when I was researching It was the amount of black therapists that actually existed. It's one thing

I started when I went to go search for my own personal therapy. I went to the church first, but then when it came up to actually try to find a culturally competent therapist. I found out there's only 4% of black therapist out here in America. That's a... And how many other the fuckers is in Texas? Uh, exactly. Yeah, exactly. That's a great point. Ain't none of them. The only black therapist in Texas, I know is, was my old... TD Jakes. What? The Potter's house? Come and Serita don't forget first lady so Rita yeah no or listening to a Beyonce album that was the only things I got to cure cure my soul for a right but yeah no that was it was the amount of therapist I think I've heard to Raji P. Henson in my research finding out

people like to Raji P. Henson, and her son was also battling depression, and she realized when she was trying to find a therapist, a culturally competent therapist, like she used the words, it was like finding a unicorn, and it really, really is. And it's, I think a lot of it has to do with one, you know, it's already hard for black people to get in any kind of medical profession, any kind of spaces that are like professional in that sense. But too, the stigma in our community, it's not a, you know what I'm saying?

It ain't, it ain't some, therapy is not something that's like wily talked about or like, years prior, I think it's becoming more acceptable. But before therapy was a punchline, that was some shit white people did. Like we treat therapy like it's a white claw or a storm in the capital. It's not, that's like for white people. It is, like walking with no shoes on outside with your feet bed. In Miami during spring break. Right, khaki is the winter. You see I used to be barefoot in Mississippi.

I grew out of it, but I mean, that's that's that's just just just just just just that's just that's just just just just just that's just just that's just is's just is's just is's just just just just just just just just is just just just just just just just just just is just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just is just that's just that's just that's just that's just that's just just just just that's just that's just that's just that's just that's just that's just the separate country. Yeah. There's white in this country. There's two different types of people. Country, you just out in the yard. White bear put you out running errands. That's a separate conversation. Ex, before I come to you, lastly, Ashton, talk to me a little bit about the black church and how you said you went to church first. Yeah. Yeah. You sit down with his pastor, walk me through that conversation because more often than not, a lot of black, and I came up, we all, all three of us came up in some version of the black church experience. And they usually fast forward it to, you need Jesus.

So what was the conversation like between you and your pastor? When you actually sit down and go, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to sit, th. to sit, th. to sit, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're to sit that, you're, that, th. th. what was the conversation like between you and your pastor? When you actually sit down and go, hey man, something's wrong. It was intense. He, he, he's, he brushed me off very, very heavily. And it actually maybe, having the past, first off, my mom sent me to the pastor. I told her, I was like, hey mom, he's like, he me. he took me out. to the took me out. to, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, took, took, took, took, took, took, they, took, took, took, took, took, they, they, took, took, took, took, took, took, took, took, the, took, took, the, took, took, took, took, took, took, took, took, took, too, the, the, the, the, the, they, they, they, they, they, to me, they, they, they, they, they, they, the, the, they, the, the, the, the, the, the, took me out. It took a lot for me to call my mom because I don't want her to worry. She, you know, she, my mama, she loved me, but then I gotta call her and tell her I have my, I'm having these really, really negative thoughts. She got on the phone, got me a, me, a counseling with the pastor. I get in there and I tell them all my problems. I'm 23 focus in school, I'm just out here. I'm struggling financially. I'm struggling, I'm just, I don't know what I'm supposed to be doing. I'm having this like deep existential crisis. But after I told him that I graduated school, he looked at me, he was like, you, you, you graduated college?

Boy, you good. What, you what? I don't have an even graduate. Man. If that ain a that ain a that ain a that ain a that ain a classic that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's Man, if that ain't the classic PASA response, boy, you got a bachelor's? He literally, look, he's like, I don't have, I'm talking to you

and I don't got no kind of degree and you're here talking to me. Yeah, he's like, I went to typica school. And that's it. He was like, I don't, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, tha, that, that, that, that, that, tha, tha, tha, th.. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that, th. that, th. that, th. that, th. that, that, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I, th. th. I, th. I, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that. that. that, that, thatook this meeting. I was like, I don't even, I didn't know what to do. Like also he's like, he was hood and shit. It's just like I grew up third, if you ever in Houston, you know what third ward is. You know, you know, you know, you know, you know how it is over there and like,

you know how it is over there, like, I'm a pastor, I people all the time he's like one of them pastors that was like they go in the middle of service he would just be admitting the crimes and shit like you just be like and we've all we've all murdered and stole out of our mama's purse we've all we've committed larceny grand theft auto we've burned down a building for the insurance policy. He's like, you're like, yeah. And here come the police. And here the police. And here the police. And here the police. And here the police. And here the police. And here. And here come the police. And here come the police. And here come the police. And here come the police. And here come the police. And here, the police. the police. the police. the police. the police. the police. the police. the police. the police. We're. We're. We're. We're. We're. We're. We're. We're. We're. We're. We're. We're. We're. We're. We're. We're. We're. We're. We're. We're. We're. We're. We're. We're. We're. We're. We're. We're. We're. We're. We're. We. We. We're. We're. We're. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the insurance policy. He's like, you do. And here come to police. You have a right to remain silent, period. Why are you planning? My pastor did get arrested. Oh, my, let's, we got so many spin off. We need to go beyond the scenes on that.

Right. So X. Ashton puts all of this research into a nice, beautiful document and he's got Teraji P in there and celebrities the lack of black therapist the inability of black people even have the health care to pay for them you know the church polluting the waters to a degree how do you sift through well first of all to become a part of this project let's start start with that. And then 1B is how do you sift through all of these pieces to decide what puzzle to assemble? So I got assigned the piece so I never really pick anything. As a writer you do what you are told, God bless it. A good chef can work with any ingredients.

Hello, hello, and I need to work with the ingredients so I get paid on Friday, God blessed. This is what's on the menu, cook it. Period. I got you. So, yeah, so I was assigned this piece with myself and Devin DeLa Quante and I write with Devon and Zach and I write with Devin and You wrote the State of Blackshed, me and Zach for you, which was one of my favorite pieces. So yeah, so that's how I got brought on to the project as I was assigned it.

And then once I looked at it because I'm born and raised in church, like I have such a connection to this piece. A lot of this stuff I've already laughed at and it's already like been fun to me. So for me it was just like time to play. And I had to make sure that some of the stuff wasn't too inside baseball as people say. That's a term we use like within comedy and stuff because if it gets too specific. I want people to know, I want people to get it especially white people because they are in power and have positions to change this shit so I need you to get it so I had to

write the piece and stuff with Devon and so once I got that they were like hey the issue is black people don't have access to therapy but what they do and they don't trust therapists right their their their their their they they they they they they their they they they they they they they're they're their they're their they're their they're they're they're their. they're they're they're they're they're their. they're they're their. they're they're they're. they're they're. they're they're they're they're therapists right once they get there so many barriers to entry but what they do trust is God and the black church like it's it's helped us get through so much child slavery okay George Bush so we just we we just like okay we need we need to try to try and we need to to try and to try the the the the the the the the the the the the the that the the the the that the that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that the. the. that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to the to to the to to to to to to to to to to to to to toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. to to to to to to to to like bring these two worlds together. So we just need, we need, we need PASA and we need mental health. Okay, so we just have to like, fuse it. Maybe that's one way we could try and help solve this therapy crisis. We need to make therapy a little bit more like black church.

And I think it would be pretty dope. I don't, it's just really hard for me to let people in. And I feel like it's probably because every time I show affection, it just feels like weakness. Uh-huh. Did y'all hear what brother Jabuki just said right here? Brother Jabuki said that he can't show affection because it feels like weakness. But before we can understand what hurt us, He can't show affection because it feels like weakness. But before we can understand what hurt us,

you gotta understand who hurt us. Who hurt your brother Jabuki? Oh, wow. I would probably say my father. Because he was really emotionally distant, but then so was his father, which is probably where he got it from. The sins of the father. Pass down from generation to generation.

And what will break this cycle other than a reflective analysis of the egos hold on your psyche? So after the break, I want to talk a little bit more about what that experience was like for me, because see, y'all can have all that fun, but at the end of the day, I'm the one that's going to get all the grief if we don't nail this issue the right way. And I'm the one that's going to get all the grief if the church is mad at how we came at him, this is beyond the scenes. We'll be right back.

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I'm Seth Done of CBS News. Listen to 60 Minutes a second look on Apple podcasts starting September 17. Now, X, when you all are writing this stuff, do you all ever consider at all, oh my God, will the correspondent even do this? Will Roy agree to wearing a cross and pretending to be a pastor? Or does the body of work of the correspondent inform you on what to do before you even start writing the actions? I'm gonna, I'm gonna go with B, that my final answer.

That for me, I was just like, Roy's gonna do this shit. Roy is from Bama, please. He is going to do this. He knows what it is. And also Roy knows I'm writing this. He know I ain't gonna say no shit that's gonna make him look fucking stupid. And I'm a believer. I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm writing this. He know I ain't gonna say no shit. That's gonna make him look fucking stupid and I am a believer like I'm I am I am not Confused I love my Jesus okay, so I wasn't going to write anything also that would be

demeaning disrespectful or dilute the power that we believe as Christians about God so I wasn't gonna write anything Disrespectful. I wasn'tto have Roar be out here like looking crazy, Djibouki as well. So I wrote with that in mind always but I knew what you would do and wouldn't do because you're a black man. So I'm saying I'm not going to have him looking crazy. That was that was always my biggest concern with any issues that are, like so with stand up, I don't know if this is a mission statement or not, but with my comedy, the goal is to show black people show black people that they're not alone and what they're going through,

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I'm in a ridiculously maroon red jacket and I look like a shady Atlantic City casino dealer. And then I also have on way too much jewelry. You did. You did. You did. You did. Like he was using that church collection money for something else. Yeah, you look like David Allen Greer and Martin. Remember what he was that? Yeah. Yeah. I just it's just something that I'm very, very mindful of. And you know, I came up in the church and then that's other thing. I still got to go back home. My mom is friends the daily show. Come on. And I don't want miss miss miss miss miss miss miss miss miss miss miss miss miss miss miss miss miss miss miss miss miss miss miss miss miss miss miss miss miss miss miss miss miss miss miss miss miss miss miss miss. I I I I I I I I. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm th. I, I, I'm th. I th. I the the the th. I the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the show. Come on. And I don't want Miss Turk pulling me to the side at Thanksgiving. Now I see what you did, me was that pastor, you didn't have to that, blah, blah, blah,

like that. Like that's always, Miss Turk is always in it. Not my mom, my mom's friends. Those are the people that are in the back of my head when I'm running my performance performance performance a behavior filter and I'm like, will Miss Turk approve of this? Because if Miss Turk don't approve, my mama gonna be mad because I'd have made Miss Turk upset. And I don't want that drama. So I had the crucifix on. I was just like, don't touch it. Don't touch it. Don't touch it. It's still comedy. But I think that's like one of the benefits now of having like so many like we have a lot more black people. First off us doing the piece. I grew up in, I watch late night. I'm a stand-up comic. I love, I can't wait to be on late night, but late night is a white space. It's like, it's a white space it is like historically been a white space and so when we did that when we did that piece and it was it's my first time

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you know, that's, we're wilding on that. Let's not do that. Well, that, that goes down to the importance of when we say diversity, it's often a specific black person that echoes whiteness, right? So that's why it's important to have all different types of black people. Because there are some black people who weren't born born to There's some black people who weren't born and raised with church. You had a black Christians, you had you had all I'm black Mormons, I'm mourning. Lisa's right there too, everybody, man. Yeah, everybody was in the building and it was great too because I think why it worked is that we were not just making fun of church. This was the, the juxtaposition with the therapy with Roy using these these these these these these these the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the juxtaposition with the therapy with Roy using these technical

ass terms for mental health was just at at that balance with that my God it was it was so funny we self actualize that's still my favorite my favorite part I need to self actualize you need You need to what? Self-actualize? Self-actualize. Self-actualize. Self-actualize. Self-actualize. He's going to empower himself.

Overcome his demons. Deal with his forgotten memorandum. Confression. Confront his dysfunctional avoidance of intimacy. He didn't go to prop. He didn't go to prop. He didn't go to prop. So the show is called Beyond the Scenes, and that's what we're going to do after the break.

After we hear a quick word from the sponsors, we're going to talk about what's happening now today with black menal health and the things that are still contributing to a lot of the stresses that black people are going through and ways that you can get help yourself. We'll be right back. When 60 Minutes premiered in September 1968, there was nothing like it. This is 60 Minutes. It's a kind of a magazine for television. Very few have been given access to the treasures in our archives. But that's all about to change. Like none of this stuff gets looked at. That's what's incredible.

I'm Seth Done of CBS News. Listen to 60 Minutes, a second look, starting September 17th, wherever you get your podcasts. So we've been talking about Black Mental Health as it relates to a segment that we dug into back in 2019. But I want to kind of come now to this this this this this this this this this this this th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th it relates to a segment that we dug into back in 2019, but I want to kind of come now to today and go beyond the segment and talk a little bit about you know where we are, you know, as a people when it comes to stress because 2020 that was having 10 10 ton gorillas put on your back,

and then every month you get another gorilla. Yes, it was execatively produced by the devil, period. How do we view this sketch now? Like when you have Rianna Taylor and George Florida and Arbori and everything that was a lightning rod for a lot of what happened last summer How do you view this sketch now in the context of that uprising? Part of me feels like we didn't go hard enough? Now I'm gonna let y'all continue but it's like you thought it was an issue in 2019 oh no but Ashton I start with you how do you view this? Well me personally I still I'm very proud of what we did. I do of course with new revelations

Yeah, definitely, I definitely agree. I wish we could have told you how dire the situation is because yeah, we may, we've joked around. weighed. We've joked around. the situation. it, we informed people, but the situation is dire. The mental health of, especially after last year, it was a point in the summertime where it felt like every day I was waking up, checking my phone and there was a new dead black person on my phone. I just woke up, saw another dead black person. And it got to me. It was, I thought, I literally, I've never had this feeling my life until last summer. I thrown. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that th. th. th. th. th. th. that the that that the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the. the. theat teat teat teat teat teat teat teauuu. tea. teat te. tea. tea. theat the last summer. I thought I was next. I was like, oh, as soon as I go outside, I'm next. I like legitimately went through just a whole brand new depression and I feel like it was a nationwide black depression after Ahmad Aubrey, George Floyd, I do, I agree, I do wish, I wish we kind of would have put more of like, this is a very dire situation and we need so many resources

to help out black people in our mental health. You don't have to go down this road if you don't want to, but I'm going to attempt to get you to talk about something that you don't talk about often. You don't tweet about often. You went out to a couple of protests last summer and you know as a protester you got, you know, some first-hand front road treatment I'm not going to name cities. But you was out there and the police was out there too and what happened

to a lot of protesters, whatever you want to imagine as a listener, happened to my man Ashton. So you come home, right? You come home from this protest. How do you? What did you do to deal? Because this is more of a, as we all, especially black people, deal with the stresses of last year and you don't have access to that type of stuff. And at this point, this protest, when you was out there protesting, you know, all the therapists was just now figuring out Zoom. These mothuckers didn't know how to unmute their self. On God. the therapist was just now figuring out Zoom. These mothuggers didn't know how to unmute their self. It wasn't a lot of good online therapy happening. What

were some of your methods of being able to get through that valley during that time as a black person? Because I just think you've had an experience as a black person pre-pandemic and during the pandemic that's I think is one-to-one. Yeah no I guess yeah I don't mind talking about it for sure is what happened was I went out to the protest and as you could see throughout if you paid attention to anything that happened in 2020 you know police were turning up on protesters. Set literally non-violent protest became violent, crazy interactions with the police. Little children, kids out there, they turn it up on kids. And I was, I got, I got, I got hit and on the head by a cop for just following their orders.

They told us to turn around as soon as I turned around, I got clocked on the top of my head, cracked my skull open, and I was bleeding and it was, you know, I'm still a comic, so like obviously it was a very traumatic experience. I'm still a comic. I saw a lot of funny in it, oh, that's hilarious. You was a sign that it was time to go.

She didn't ask if you was okay or nothing. Not at all. She was like, they cracking niggas, heads open. I got to go. And I was falling. That's hilarious. That's hilarious. But honestly, at the next couple weeks, it were pretty terrifying. I didn't, the protest weren't stopping, and I didn't want that to stop me from this moment,

from standing up for something I thought was right. And I felt a fear. I felt a fear of like, I don't want to go back out there. But I had to overcome it. And the things that got me through it, like you said, I didn't have access to therapy. I wasn't even in therapy at the time because I should have been in therapy. But what got me through it was I think there's this new wave of people, of just people who understand self-care and the importance of taking time for yourself. their of like taking time for yourself. You gotta, you have to take time for your mental health. And I knew that, I'm surrounded by a great set of friends

and a great set of people, my surroundings, made it a lot easier for me to get through that. And I did a lot of like riding bikes through the parks. I did a lot of things for self-care. I did a lot of like meditation, I did a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot of like a lot of like a lot of meditation, like a lot of drinking water just taking I decided to take care of myself and and honestly you know part of it's probably still compartmentalized part of it's probably I don't think about it I still have like my shirt I still have all my I have I still have all the items that were like very bloodied up just as a reminder but most likely I probably haven't dealt with it the way I should have I kind to I kind of just thought I could just meditated away. I thought I could just, you know,

but I probably do need to still talk about it and I probably compartmentalized it and didn't healthily take care of it, especially as which is you know someone who's like an advocate for people taking care of the mental health. You know, you know, no one's perfect. Ain't nobody, you know, everyone's trying their best. I can say, please take care of your mental health while I still got some work to do. You know, so. Well, I'll say this, brother, the fact that you're aware of it, at minimum, puts you on first base of dealing with the issue. So, you know, you, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, I, I, I, I, I, I, I thi, I thin, I thin, I'm, I thi, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I can, I can, I can, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I thin, I thin, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm thin, I'm thin, I'm tas, tas, ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. tha. ta. ta. the issue. So, you know, me and X got nothing but love for you. And that's why we're

having this conversation is to help get other people to at least first base. X. How do you view this sketch now through the context of 2020? Do you feel like the sketch still stands up? Or is there a need for us to circle back? Do I need to go put on my pasta outfit again? I was just about to say, I'm about to email you you you you you you you you you you you you you to you the second to you to you to you the second to you to email to email the second to email you to email you to email you to email you to email you the second to email you the second to circle back. Do I need to go put on my pasta outfit again? I was just about to say I got I'm about to email you the second part. It's a part two. Yes. Um, well for me, I feel like the sketch holds up because it reflected the times back then had what was going on in 20 20 20 20, was going on to 2019. We would have reflected the time. So I think we reflected the time that was 2019. You know to to to to to to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to to be to be the to be the to be the the the to the the the to be. to be. to to to to to to to to the the the the the to to to to to the to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. thi. the. te. two. two. two. two. two. two. to. to. to. to. to. to. the the have reflected the time. So I think we reflected the time that was 2019, you know, to be honest. Because the thing for me is just kind of like, the racism is always here. It's not here, you know, like we're not racist listeners. But what I'm saying is that if, like, I feel we went as hard as we felt we needed to at that time, like the people who were a part of this piece and myself and who was in it were very black. You know, like if there was ever a time

that we felt like, oh, we could have went harder, I think we would have, right? So I'm very satisfied with the work that we did. And I think th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th think I thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I the, thi. I'm, the, the, that we, that we, that we, that we, that we, that we, that we, that. that. I, that. that. I, that. that. that. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that. that. that. that. that. thate. the. that's, thean. that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that that that thee and I think we reflected the times that we were in. So yeah, and I think, you know, I echo Roy for you, Ashton, when I saw your post about it, like I was like full of tears because that's just, you know, like I have a little brother to where he was supposed to start learning how to drive last year and I was like, no, the summer is too hot for you, like we just cannot. So just even things about like him being able to

drive a car, like it's always that conversation we have had to have, but he can't, I can't, you can't even learn how to drive right now. So just a natural birthright for a young black man in America, it's like no. No. Well, first off, I love y'all, thank y'all. Everybody, as soon as it happened, I didn't even, that's what I like really love, love working at our show doing. It's not even, it's hard to show for like three months. And or like five months at that time. And like everybody reached out to me and I was like,

it blew me away. That, I'm like, you want to talk about something that helped me get through it was the fact that I got to work for this, I worked for this dope ass show that takes my experiences and they takes my experiences my my experiences my experiences my experiences my experiences my experiences my experiences, allow me to put it on a bigger platform and possibly relate to more people who've gone through this similar experience and inform people who are blind or who have blinders on or who just don't know about what black people and minorities are really going through in this

country. Like it's, I felt literally that was one of the most grateful feelings of seeing how many people reached out to me and knowing that what happened after that was, you know, we made it, we got to make a piece on it, we got to talk about it, we got to talk about more in depth and as soon as I feel like this piece, the black therapy piece that we're talking about right now, it was one of the pieces that the pieces that like it was the the th..... th. th. th. It was th. It was th. It was th. It was th. It was one. It was one. It was one. It was one. It was one. It was one. It was one. It was one. It was one. It was one th. It was one thi. It was one thi. It was one. It was one thi. It was one. It was one, it was thi. It was thi. thi. thi. It was, it, thi. wea. wea. wea. wea. wea. wea. wea. wea. wea. wea. we. we. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. we. wea. wea. wea. wea. that's wea. wea. wea. we we we we got we got we got we got we got we got we got wea. We got we got we got we got we got to to talking about way more stuff in our community that needs to be talked about. And so I'm, that's why I was like, it's kind of hard for me to be like, feel sorry for myself when I know I have like, I'm surrounded by great people. I have a great job where I get to express all these, all this turmoil, I get to, I'm to get to, it's kind of thir therapy, that, that, that, that, that, th..... And, th. It, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, to, to, to, to, to, to, I, it, it, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, I'm, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I........ And, I. And, I. And, I. And, I. And, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, to, like, like, like, to. And, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, to. I'm like, you need Alexa Pro, my guy, but still being able to express in any kind of creative format is a form of therapy.

So and seeing my co-workers express like reach out to me. That was that was one of the, you know, it's a highlight to a terrible situation. It's. Well, I would was th. It was th. It was th. It was that. It was th. It was th. It was th. It was that that was one. It was one. It was one. It was one. It's that was one. It's one. It's one. It's one. It's one. It's one. It's one. It's one. It's one. It's one. It's one. It's one. It's one. It's one. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's one. It's one. It's one. It's one. It's one. It's one. It's one. It's one. It's one. It's one. It's one. It's one. It's one. It's a the. It's a the. It's a. It's a. It's a. It's a. It's a. It's a. It's a. It's a. It's a. It's a. It's a. It's a. It's a th. It's a th. It's a th. It's a th. It's a th. It's a th. It's a th. It's a the. It's a the. It's a the. me feel great. Well I would challenge you Austin Ashton too when you said I don't want to feel sorry for myself I would challenge that language like what you went through was a very traumatic life-altering emotional experience so there is no like feeling sorry quote-unquote for yourself like I think if you take as much necessary time as you need because we don't know who's listening and there could be black people out there listening that have gone through traumatic events a level of violence with the police with white people whether it be verbal or emotional or physical so it's not I would challenge that

language of you saying feel sorry sorry for myself, absolutely not. You are experiencing something life altering and you're doing a great job at it. Well, God, X, I'm too black to blush. You kill him. So everyone who just heard that from X, we need you all to Venmo us a copay because that was some free therapy that she just gave you. Let's get to people some resources, man. I think that's a great place to end on because we need to give recommendations on, you know, places that can aid and spreading more awareness around this issue.

Ashton, you go first. Where's some places people can go? Well, for starters, check out National Council.org. That is a great source of, great place for resources for mental health in general. But specifically, for culturally competent counselors and therapists, there are, what I learned in my resources, my research was there are a lot more resources springing up for minority communities. Like there's an Iona therapy app.

It's based out in Los Angeles, but there's an app. It helps you find, through a questionnaire, it helps you find therapist that can help you out because you know, that understand where you're coming from culturally. You know, it's hard to go to a therapist and you're like well like where do you want to unpack and you like where do you want to start and it's like black people we got to start at slavery before we even get to ourselves we got to unpack shit for our ancestors and then we can get to them so it's like you tell me I got to deal with Harriet Tuftman to... Yeah, we love talking about our ancestors. Your ancestors need therapy too, all right?

They can help them. Oh, Jesus. I wish Hertempem would pop up in my therapist room during my session. That's our next sketch. Hello. Call Doseet. There's times people somewhere to go. Therapy for Black Girls.com because black women, Lord Jesus, what we've, oh my lord,

the things we have to manage, my God, in the workplace, hallelujah. And ask Dr. Jess, one of my good friends, and she's also a licensed psychiatrist, beautiful black woman from Alabama, okay Roy, and Tuskegee alumni, and she's been on everything. She's been on CBS. She's been on good money in America and she has something called Be Well Convo where she interviews black artists. She interviewed Toby, she interviewed Swiss beads. She interviewed Kirby, the creator of, damn what's the name of that clothing line? Oh my god, it's so good and I love it. I'm so sorry it's escaping me. But, it's thi. It's thi. thi. It's th. It's th. It's th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. She's thi. She's thi. She's thi. She's thi. She's thi. She's thi's th. She's th. She's th. She's th. She's th. She's thi. She's th. She's th. She's th. She's th. She's th. She's th. She's th. She's th. She's th. She's th. She's th. She th. She th. She th. She th. She th. She's th. She's th. She's th. She's th. She's thi. She's thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the thi. the creator of, damn, what's the name of that clothing line? Oh my God, it's so good and I love it. I'm so sorry, it's escaping me.

But his name is Kirby to on Instagram. But yeah, she's in a lot of dope, like taste makers, trailblazers, artists who are all black and talks them about the importance of mental health. And also, I know this may seem kind of like unorthodoxodoxodoxodox me, I really learn more about myself watching other people work out their shit. So there is a show called Couples Therapy, and I believe it's on HBO, and it's an actual licensed therapist, and she's talking to these couples, and so much stuff that they were going through, I saw myself.

So I think different shows like that, And it's not a reality show, guys. It's a docu series. Like, don't be watching Love Island, talking about ex-said. I can watch Love Island. I can work out my daddy issues. That it didn't what the fuck I say. Okay? And so I think I think those three are, because some people are not people think, you people, you people, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, that, that, that, that, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th, thi, thi, thi, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th................. th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, thi, thi, thi, ththat want to go to actual therapy. You know black people we don't really trust. So if you have to watch a television show to do that to kind of baby your step baby step your way in to deal with your shit

Then do what you need to do. Well look I can't thank you all enough for taking a little bit of time out of your day to sit down and go beyond the scenes. to go beyond the scenes. to to to to to to to to to to to the scene and go and go and go and go and go and go and go and go and go and go the scenes. the scenes. the scenes. the scene and go the scene and go beyond the scene and go beyond to go beyond to go beyond to to to to to sit to sit the scene and go beyond to sit to sit down and go to sit to sit to sit to sit to sit to sit to sit to sit. to sit. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the to the the the the the the scene. the scene. the scene. the scene. the scene. the scene. the scene. the scene. the scene. the scene. the scene. the the scene. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th the te. the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the to the the the with me. That's all the time we have for today and hopefully we've successfully taking you beyond the scenes. I'm Roy Whit Jr. that's Ashton Womack and that is ex-Mayo. That's the only name you get from her because she's hiding from the government. Period. Mayo. Thank you. Thank you. Next time. Listen to the daily show Beyond the Scenes on Apple Podcasts, the IHeart Radio app, or wherever you get your podcast.

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