The Daily Show: Ears Edition - Chrissy Teigen Addresses Her Trolling Past | Lin-Manuel Miranda & Christian Pulisic

Episode Date: June 16, 2021

Chrissy Teigen apologizes for cyberbullying, soccer star Christian Pulisic talks about his championship wins, and Lin-Manuel Miranda discusses his book "In the Heights: Finding Home."Donate at dailyshow.com/TrevorProject to support The Trevor Project in providing suicide prevention, crisis intervention and education, research and advocacy programs for LGBTQ youth. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to 60 Minutes, a second look, starting September 17th, wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, what's going on, everybody? I'm Trevor Noah, and this is the daily social distancing show. Today is Tuesday, June 15th. And the big news everyone is talking about today is that New York and California have basically ended all their pandemic restrictions for businesses. I mean no more capacity

limits for movie theaters. No more partitions for restaurants. Nothing. Nothing. No today. to me wrong. I'm glad that the pandemic is getting better, but I'm not happy about this. All right? I liked some of those restrictions. It was nice to sit in a movie theater that wasn't super packed. I go to the movies so immersed in a story, not so that my leg skin can get stuck to a stranger's leg skin. And as a New Yorker, I'm furious the their their their their their their their their their their theirables so close together that you basically eat in together.

If you're next to a couple breaking up, oh, now you're part of the breakup. When dinner's over, now you've got to go and help him get his stuff out of her apartment. What the hell? And space is so, that's so t let's at least, please, just keep those plexiglass partitions, please. They keep you separated from other people,

and let you pretend that you're a hockey player sitting in a penalty box, you know? Makes me feel cool. I'm not just eating Teagan goes on an apology tour. We've got 15 million Girl Scout cookies that we've got to eat and Lynn Manuel Miranda joins us to talk about everything happening with his latest film in The Heights. So let's do this people. welcome to the Daily Social Distancing Show. From Trevor's couch in New York City to your couch somewhere in the world. This is the daily social distancing show with Trevor Noah. Ears Edition.

Let's kick things off with the coronavirus pandemic. It has disrupted so many things over the past year and a half. The global economy, our love lives, chick-falaise plans for a fried bat sandwich, and now it's even coming after our snacks. The Girl Scouts say 15 million boxes of unsold cookies are currently sitting on shelves. The organization is now encouraging people to buy boxes online before they expire. The Girl Scouts normally sell around 200 million boxes of cookies per year or around 800 million dollars worth, but the pandemic kept them from going door to door to door to sell their cookies. No, guys, 50 million boxes of Girl Scout cookies are just sitting on the shelves?

I mean, I was going to start my post-pandemic diet this week, but the Girl Scouts need our help. I'm going to do this for them. In fact, you know what, forget buying them. They're just sitting in a warehouse somewhere. You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to pull the world's tastiest oceans 11. Step one? Just got to find 10 friends. Yeah, I lost contact with a lot of people. Apparently being nude on face today. But let's be honest though people though, though, thoeeeeoe, thoe, tho, thuuuu, thu-thea, thu, thu, thu-a, thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm their, I'm their, I their, I their, I their, I their, I their, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thii. thi. thiii. thii. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi honest though people, the real reason Girl Scout cookies didn't sell this posture is not because Girl Scouts couldn't go door-to-doll, it's because the parents of Girl Scouts weren't in their offices. And because they weren't in their office, they couldn't shame their coworkers into buying 200 boxes worth of thinmints. And I'm not hating on it, I'm just saying, every box of Girl Scout cookies I've ever bought was sold to me by a bold man in his 50s. But you know if you ask me, this actually gives America an opportunity to solve two problems at once. Yeah, think about it. Just offer free Girl Scout cookies

to anyone getting the vaccine. America will be at 100% vaccination by the weekend, baby. I mean, except for the places that give away trefoils. I'd rather give COVID than eat them shit. Meanwhile, another thing thrown out of whack by the pandemic is the Tokyo Olympic Games. We've had to wait a whole extra year to wake up at 3 a.m. to watch strangers go swimming. But now, the some pretty big changes. We all know that COVID is forcing some big changes compared to a typical Olympics that includes

in the Olympic village. Olympic organizers typically give away tens of thousands of condoms during the games for all the athletes. But this year, there is still going to be a condom giveaway, but they are telling the athletes not to use them until they get home. COVID restrictions mean the athletes shouldn't be getting close enough to be active with one another. Olympic organizers say they are hoping the athletes take the condoms back to their home countries to raise awareness about HIV, AIDS, and other issues.

Hold up, hold up. Japan is not going to let Olympic athletes have sex with each other? Well, then, I mean, what's the point of even going to the Olympics then? What, to bring glory to one's nation? Wrong! It's to smash! That's why the sprinces go so fast. They want that race to be over so they can get back to the main event. If you can't have sex at the Olympics, half of the sports wouldn't even have anybody in them. Nobody's going to spend 20 years learning how to jump over a pole with another pole unless

they know that at some point they're going to get laid for it. And let's be real, they can tell athletes not to use the condoms until they get home. But all that's going to mean is athletes are going to be having sex without condoms. Which maybe th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th. the worst idea. It means in 18 years, we're going to have the greatest Olympic games of all time. But let's move on from the Olympics to a woman with a gold medal in insanity. Marjorie Taylor Green, Georgia Congresswoman and your crazy aunt's even crazier friend. Since her shocking rise from Q and on forums to the House of Representatives, Green has become notorious for her willingness to say absolutely anything with zero shame. Whether its conspiracies about 9-11 or the existence of Jewish space lasers, which is ridiculous.

I mean, everyone knows that the Jewish space laser was taken out by the Buddhist submarine missiles years ago. But now, MTG is admitting that some of her recent comments might have gone too far. Georgia Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Green is apologizing for comparing COVID restrictions to the horrors of the Holocaust. She previously compared mask mandates to the Nazis forcing Jews to wear yellow stars. Her apology came after visiting the Holocaust Museum. I have made a mistake and it's really bothered me for a couple of weeks now.

And so I definitely want to own it. The horrors of the Holocaust are something that some people don't even believe happened, and some people deny, but there is no comparison to the Holocaust. And there are words that I have said and remarks that I've made that I know are offensive and for that I want to apologize. Going to the Holocaust Museum was just a good reflection and it was good to look and see things there and one of the things I was reminded of is how terrible their policies were. You guys, America isn't serious, man.

This woman writes the laws, the laws that govern the land, and she's out here like, Yo, you guys heard about this Holocaust? Shit's wild. I mean, for real, though, are we going to get a press conference every time Marjorie Taylor Green learns about something? Because she doesn't know about a lot of things. It has come to my attention that putting metal in a microwave makes the microwave go boom boom.

I think it's important to acknowledge that. But I will say in some ways I feel bad for this ladyman. Learning things is tough, you know because it forces you to take back all the ignorant shit that you've said in the past. It's why the only museum I go. I I I I to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the theeeeeeeeeeeeeeean thean theeeeeeeeeean theeeeeee the the the the the the It's why the only museum I go to is Madame Tussard's. Madam Tussars. Come stupid, leave stupid. But let's move on now to our top story. It's about Twitter, the internet's septic tank. And now, one of its most famous users is expressing regrets about how she spent her time on the platform. This morning, Chrissy Teagan is publicly apologizing, breaking her social media silence

to address past tweets and cyber bullying. On Monday, writing in a lengthy blog post, I know I've been quiet and Lord knows you don't want to hear about me, but I want you to know I've been sitting in a whole of deserved global punishment, the ultimate, sit here and think about what you've done. Last month, Tegan's decade'sold tweets resurface showing a string of harassment directed at model and TV personality, Courtney Stodden. Tegin told the then teenager and one now deleted tweet. She wanted Stodden to take a dirt nap. Late Monday, fashion designer Michael Costella posted screenshots of Instagram DMs from Teegan, sharing that he's still traumatized depressed and his thoughts of suicide after online

interactions with the star back in 2014. Alleges Tegan tried to ruin his career. In her blog post, Teagan says she's privately reaching out to people she has hurt. Not a day, not a single moment has passed where I haven't felt the crushing weight of regret for the things I've said in the past. I have to stop and wonder, how could I have done that? Phew. Okay, there's a lot of stuff to unpack here. In fact, there might be too much to unpack, which means we're probably going to need another edition

of, now let's talk this out. Puh. Okay, so first of all, I think we can all agree that Chrissy Teagan has been a particularly horrible person online. Because yes, a lot of people have said mean things on Twitter, but to chase people into their DMs, yo, man, that's like Mike Tyson coming to punch you one more time at home after the fight. It's pretty f-ficked up. And you know what's really wild about this whole story? Is that Chrissy Teagan was in this world of vitriol and hate when her husband is famous

for singing the most uplifting love ballads. Like she was sitting on the couch, tweeting that people should kill themselves, and John Legend was 10 feet away in the same room, singing, All of me loves all of you. And honestly, I'm glad that Chrissy Teagan is owning up. I'm glad that she's owning up to being a horrible person online, because that is what we want, right?

We want people to be better, and we to to people to people to people, right? We want people to be better and we want people to grow. It doesn't immediately excuse what they did before, but I think it's way better than them not learning and growing. And you know, even though the story was so messed up, what really gives me hope is that back when Chrissy was bullying people online, millions of people were cheering for her. But now, a lot of those people are criticizing her for that, th., which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, now, a lot of those people are criticizing her for that same thing that they cheered, which yes on the one hand

is hypocritical, but on the other hand is good because it shows you that society has evolved, which is what we're always trying to do. We don't want to accept the shit that we used to. And please don't get me wrong. Online bullying still happens way too often. But at least now, there's much more awareness of how harmful it can be. And for that, we obviously must thank Melania. I don't know how she did it. I just, you know, think she held a press conference one time and stood in front of a sign and the next thing you know, we'd be best. But you know, this apology also made me tholology thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thin' thi thi thi thi thi. thi thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. to to to to to to to to to toeeeeeeeeea. toea. toeea. toea. toeea. toea. toea. toea. thea. thea, we'd be best. But you know, this apology also made me think about why exactly Chrissy Teagan was so brutal to people to begin with.

Because let's be real, Chrissy Teagan was far from the only asshole on Twitter. Yeah, she might have been one of the biggest and one of the best at it. But being on Twitter is a lot like when dogs meet at the park. There's assholes on display everywhere. And that's not an accident. Like what we have to understand is that social media pushes people into being their most assholish self. Roasting people, dunking on them, that's how you get the likes, that's how you get the retweets. It's how you have fun. It's how you get to to be part of the group the the group the group the group the group the group the group the group the group the group the group the group the group the group the group the group the group the group the group the group the group the the the the the the the the the the their their their their their their. their. their. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. the. That's how you get the retweets. It's how you have fun. It's how you get to be part of the group.

And the platforms want you to spend all your time on them, so they send you stuff to outrage you. You know, Twitter sees when a few people are attacking someone, and they put that in the would enjoy dunking on this random guy. Is the random guy going to enjoy it? Yeah, whatever. Whatever. If he didn't want the whole world telling him to get AIDS, he shouldn't have posted that tweet to his 45 followers. He wanted this.

So then what do you end up with? You end up with millions of people think of until they go too far and then all of a sudden the outrage they were a part of turns on them. And that's not a mistake. It's how the system is set up to keep us all online and to keep making money for the platforms. Because think about it. Chrissy Teagan wasn't going up to people in real life telling them to kill themselves. In fact, most of the things people say to each other o o o o o o o o o. their their their their th. th. th. th. th. they th. they th. they th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thin. And, thee. And, theea. And, th. And, theea. And, thin. And, th. And, thin. And, thi. And, thi. And, th. And, th. them to kill themselves. In fact, most of the things people say to each other online, they would never dare say to another human being in real life. But there's something about the platform that incentivizes people to be the worst versions of themselves. And until we ask ourselves why, all we're doing is chasing after the symptoms and not the cause.

And look, I'm not going to pretend that I'm better than anyone else. I mean, Lord knows I've said things on Twitter that I wouldn't say today. And I don't know how to fix this. The truth is though that people being dicks on the internet is probably going to be a problem for a as these platforms reward people for being dicks online. You know, the last tweet before the ocean swallows us all up is going to be someone saying like, Yo, look at this iceberg melting like a bitch. But I will say this.

We can't change the platforms overnight. But the least we can do is make an effort as individuals to be a little less cruel. And I'm not saying every tweet has to be the to be the to be to be the to be their to be thiii thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thiole thi. thi. thiol-a' thiol. thiol-a' thiol-a' thiol-a' thi. thi. thi. their their their their their their their their their their their thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi a little less cruel. And I'm not saying every tweet has to be smiles and gundrops. We can still be humans. We can still have fun. But maybe, maybe. Just aim for that giant space between Chrissy Teagan hate tweets and any John Legend song. All right, when we come back, American Soccer Custe will be joining

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Welcome back to the Daily Social Distancing Show. My first guest tonight is American Soccer Superstar Christian Pulisic. He recently won two major championships within eight days and as the first American to win a Champions league final. It's no wonder he's known as the Captain America of soccer. Christian Pulisic, welcome to the Daily Social Distancing Show. Thank you so much for having me. You know you are not only one of the most celebrated football players in the world right now, soccer players in the world right now. You are also one of my favorite players to play with in FIFA because you are insanely fast and you just get the job done.

You make history every time you step on the pitch. I mean, you are now the only and the first American to win a champions league. And then within the space of eight days you go on to win another championship for USA and you kick the winning penalty kick. Let's talk a little bit about the journey of Christian Pulisic. What does it feel like right now? Are you, have you even soaked in everything that you've achieved in the space of like, what, three weeks? I don't think I have yet. I'm really just trying to taketo this point so soon, but I honestly just feel really lucky. You know, you've gone at the title of Captain America. That's what the fans call you.

That's what the media calls you. And I think for good reason, because you have come to be the face of American soccer in the world. And people love you for it. Because for so long, people are like, Americans don't care about, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their. th. th. their. their. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their. And, their. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, to. And, to. And, to. And, to. to. toe. toean. toean. toe. ta. ta. ta. I. And, ta. And, t. And, t. soccer, they don't like soccer, but you have this passion in the fans, fans at Chelsea, fans around the world. What do you think it is about the way you play the game and what you bring to the game that has made people fall in love with you and the way you play the game? It's tough to say. I think, I think I just bring a different spark to the game than what I think think tho tho. tho. tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, th, tho, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thi, thi, thin, the their, thi, thi, thi, their, their, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, their, what, their, their, what, their, what, what, what, their, what, their, what, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thr-a, thr-a, thr-a, thr-a, thr-a. And, thr-a. And, throoooooooo, thr-a, thr-a, thr-a, thr-a, I guess you could say. I'd like to be just creative and try new things, and I hope people see that and think, you know,

maybe Americans can do it. So I'm hoping I can also inspire others, others to do it back home as well. Right, you know, I don't even think it's a maybe anymore. I mean, now you've just made it. It's only a matter of time. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thinks thinks thinks thinks thinks thinks thinks thinks thinks thinks thinks thinks thinks thinks thinks thinks thinks thi. thi. thinks th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thin. thin. thin. thin. thin. thin. thi. the. the. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. th could ever win a World Cup. And we were always like, USA will never win a World Cup because they just don't care about soccer. And it feels like this generation is changing that. You've got teammates who are playing in some of the biggest teams in the world,

which is a new generation for Team USA. Talk me through why you think this change has happened and what the dynamic has changed in the actual squad? Absolutely. I mean, there were definitely American players who had played in Europe before and guys that I even looked up to. But I think in this new generation, you're just seeing just a bunch of fearless guys just going for it in Europe. I don't know. I really just took a big risk moving to Germany, for example, and, you know, Westin, out and doing his thing in Germany, then getting a move to Italy. And I think it's just this new generation of just fearless soccer players who just want to go out and prove to the world that Americans can do it too. And I think that's why we're seeing such a, yeah, such a big jump.

You know what I've always appreciated about you is, the pitch. It always felt like, A, you were grateful to be on the pitch, and B, you were going to make the most of every single minute that you came. Where do you get that from? And what is it about the game that inspires you to always want to do your best, even with the little time that you've given, that you've now increased to just just the love for the game. I mean, I have so much passion for this sport. And I mean, there's a lot of other people who, you know, who would love to be doing what I'm doing. And honestly, I feel grateful any time.

I'm able to step on the pitch. So that's really just what it is. And then just going out and that's that's always my mindset going into it. What many people will appreciate about you is you don't just have a joy for the game for yourself but you have a joy for the game for others. You know you come from Hershey, Pennsylvania, you just plowed yourself into the game of soccer, you're like I'm going to do this thing, I'm going to make it as as far as I can. 22 years old, you still have your whole career ahead of you, but now what you've started doing is really paving the way for others to follow in your footsteps. So talk to me about what you're doing, what's happening.

I know you started sort of like an academy, you've started like a training program. What are you doing and what are you hoping to achieve with this? Yes, so I'm really excited that I was able to help my hometown club and Academy PA Classics to basically build new fields for these kids. There's like multiple miniature fields that these kids can kind of just go play on. There's another field where there's a nice kickwall, some skills, some challenges and stuff. And it's really just an area that I hope the kids can just just go to it and have fun, sometimes without coaches, sometimes without, because that's growing up, I think that's what I missed out on in the states

where after school you just, you know, the kids might go play basketball, they might go do these other things. Yeah, it's just such a different culture. I think it was when I moved to England actually when I was very young young I lived there for a year and after school every day we went on these little courts and we were just playing for hours you know kicking the ball around and that's where I really started to love the game so much so I hope that that's obviously just one you know I want to be like him. But I hope yeah that would be that would be the goal. Yeah, that would be inspired kids to just go out and to thi to tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho the thi thi. their just thi. thi. their just their just thi. thi. thi. their just their just their just their just their just their just their just their just their just their just their just their just their just their just their just their just their just their just their just their just their just their just their just their just their just their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the. like him and that's a yeah that would be that would be the goal. Well you know what you're so young that not only could they try be like you they could probably meet you in the league and then you could beat them in the final and

then remind them that you made it all possible for the game. Thank you for bringing it to the U.S. in the way that you have done. Thank you for bringing the fans into the sport. And congratulations on all your trophies, all your medals, and everything that's still to come. Thanks so much. Thank you for having me. All right, when we come back, the one and Finding great candidates to hire can be like trying to find a needle in a haystack. You might get a lot of resumes, but not enough candidates with the right skills or experience. But not with Zip Recruiter.

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Four out of five employers who post on Zip Recruiter get a quality candidate within the first day. Try it for free at this exclusive web address, Zip Recruiter. the smartest way to hire. Welcome back to the Daily Social Distancing Show. My next guest is the multiple award Distancing Show. My next guest is the multiple-award-winning composer, lyricist, and actor Lynn Manuel Miranda. He's here to talk about the story behind his first Broadway musical and now

feature film in The Heights. Lynn Manuel Miranda, welcome to the daily social distancing show. Thank you sir, Always a pleasure. So everything you write turns to gold. Everything you do seems to be a smash success. You are now here on the show to talk about a book about the film, about the to'n'lady to the, the, the, the, the the thea'n'lady to the tooe, theyme, told to be a success. that the too, too, the too, the thrown, too, the too, the the too, too, the too, too, too, the too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, to to to to too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, the the the too, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the too, the too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, the book about the successful movie about the successful Broadway play is now also going to be a success. Tell me what this book is about and most importantly, if I read this book, will I be able to also make a Hamilton? Can I do a Hamilton? It's an instruction guide precisely.

That's what I wanted to. Tell me about the book. The underappreciated historical figure. Ad genre. No, I think the, it's funny, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, the, the, the, thuu. thi, thi, thi, the the thi, the the the the thi, the the, the, the, the, the, the, thi, thi, the, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thi, thi, thi. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the book... the book. the the the the the the book, is, is, is, is, the book, is, the book, is, the book, is, the book, the book. thi. thi. thi. I think the, it's funny actually, today is the 14th anniversary of us winning the Tony for Best Musical. This musical has been in my life since I was 19 years old and so it's a lot to cover in a book. My co-writer Jeremy says this is like the Godfather Part 2 of the books because it goes before Hamilton. It has like the stories before Hamilton including in after, because it's, it's so much about meeting the the the anniversary. 14. 14. 14. 14. 14. 14. 14 the anniversary. 14, the anniversary. 14, it's, it's, the anniversary. It's, the anniversary. It's, the anniversary, the anniversary, the anniversary, the anniversary, the anniversary, the anniversary, the anniversary, the anniversary, the anniversary, the anniversary, the anniversary, the anniversary, is the 14, is the 14, is the 14, is the 14, is the 14, is the 14, is the 14 anniversary anniversary anniversary anniversary, is the anniversary, is the anniversary, is the anniversary is the anniversary is the anniversary is the anniversary is the 14, is the anniversary is the 14, is is the 14, is is the 14, is the 14, the 14. 14. 14. 14. 14. 14. It's the 14. It's the 14. It's the 14. It's, the 14. It's, it's, it's, it's, their, their, their 14, their 14th. 14th. 14th. 14th. 14th. 14th. 14th. 14th. 14th. 14th. 14th. 14th. 14th. 14th. 14th. It's their, their, their, the Godfather Part 2 of the books, because it goes before Hamilton. It has like the stories before Hamilton, including in after, because it's so much about meeting the collaborators that I would go on to work with Hamilton

on, but also it follows all these other journeys. Like Chris Jackson, who played Benny in the original show and plays Mr. Soft, the opposite, might be I go a guy in the movie. He met his wife when their, their, their, their, their, my Pidagua guy in the movie, he met his wife when she was playing Nina and he was playing Benny in a workshop. I remember their chemistry read when we, when like they held hands but it wasn't in my script that they hold hands. I was like, oh, they're actually falling in love in real time in my show. And so like so much of my life is bound up in the journey of it. And so I do annotations on the lyrics of lyrics. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. So, th. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. I, their. I, their. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. And, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. I. A. A. I. A. I. A. A. A. I. A. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, they. And, they. I. And, they. I. And, do annotations on the lyrics of all of the songs. Jeremy sort of tells lots of stories. Kiar and my co-writer contributes essays, specifically about specific moments in the show and transitions to the film. So we just try to cover as much as we can.

It's such an insane story that I feel like can never be replicated. Because here you are a 19-year-old student who's, who is, who is, who is, who is, who is, who, who, th, who, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, is, is, is, th, is, th, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is a the-a-a-a-a-a-a-s, is a the-s, is a the-s, is a the-a-s, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the about this world and then you go like man I have this musical in my head and there's this thing I want to try and do and what I've loved to see is is the journey because like like you said earlier about the godfather and then the story before it's like you know sometimes people will experience your work in a nonlinear fashion you know I'm one of those people. So I wasn't around for in the Heights in New York or anything. So now I experienced Hamilton first. Then I was like, wow, this is amazing. Then like, you know, he did something before this, and you go and you go backwards and then you come forwards with it. What I've always found fascinating is how you try and break the sisters, but they're all of different races, but the story

never broke. I'd love to know where you thought to yourself, you know what, we can tell stories and we can include people and we can change the way we present things in the world and it will be successful or did you doubt that it could be successful? I think I doubted it at every phase, but your belief in the idea has to be stronger than what the world is proposing, right? Like your job as an artist is to write what's missing. Like I did not see a future for myself in musical theater. The other thing I'll add to that initial impulse back when I was in college was was like it was the first Latin pop boom was happening. It was like Ricky Martin like in leather pants singing Cup

of Life, Mark Anthony who we all loved but was singing in English for the first time. It was Shakier like Enrique Iglesias and I remember being like oh all those guys are really hot. That's not going to be me either. Again, there is another lane that is not open to me. So again, it's about like writing what's missing. You know, with Hamilton, I honestly was surprised that people were surprised about the casting because it was a hip-hop and R&B musical. Like, you can tell very clearly, like, that's my inspiration for what I'm pulling for. So if it was an all white cast, you'd think I messed up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up that.. that. that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. th. th. the. the. the. the. that. that. that. that. that. that. that like that's my inspiration for what I'm pulling for. So if it was an all white cast, you'd think I messed up like someone, someone messed up along the way.

And so, you know, within the heights, like, again, like it is, it was just like how many of us can I get on the board? Like that's that's the goal is like we're all going to be in this thing and can we tell ell stories that are not about like Latinos from the 50s with knives in their hands. Right, right? Just, which was, is incredibly overrepresented in musical theater weirdly. Yeah. Like 50s, gangsters. Oh man. That's hilarious because in South Africa, that was like, in South Africa, because in South Africa, there's like the stereotype of people who look like me, they they they they they they they they they they're they're their they're their their they're their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their th. They're th. They're th. thi. They're thi. thiol-like, thiol-like, thiol-like, thiol-like, thiol-like, thiol-like, thi. Like, thi. Like, thi. Like, thi. Like, thi. Like, thi. from from from from from from from from from from from from from thi... Like, thi. Like, thi. Like, thi. Like, thi. Like, thi. Like, thi. Like, thi. I's like, thi. I's like, thi. I'm thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th TV anything that everyone would ask me to do in South Africa there's like the stereotype of people who look like me they call them the colored gangster

that's what they always said be like all right Trevor you're gonna be the gangster and the next thing they'd be like Trevor you're gonna play a reformed gangster and then they'll bes, even though you've always strived to write people in and create these stories, you haven't been immune from criticism. And what was really interesting and beautiful to me was your response to some of the criticism that you got for In the Heights in terms of colorism. You know, some people said, hey, Lynn, we love your work. We love what you're doing. But man, it feels like there's so many Afro-Latinas who are not represented here, you know, we've got all these Afro-Latinos

who could be in the movie and who aren't in the movie, and you responded, and it was interesting,that you basically said, I'm trying to make this world and I can do better. And I felt defensive on your behalf, funny enough. I was like, Lynn does so much. We had black people singing on Broadway. I mean, why are you doing this to Lynn? You're tearing down one of our own.

But you, I honestly would love to know how you approach that criticism and what you think you could do better because you responded to it so meaningfully. Yeah, well, again, I can't legislate how people feel. Like, again, all I want is for this neighborhood to feel seen. And if there's a segment of it that doesn't feel seen, and they're saying that, like you have to acknowledge that and let it in. And, you know, all I can do is learn from it and promise to do better better th, there's so much Afro-Latini-Diida in the movie. The beef really was specifically dark-skinned Afro-Latinos in leading roles, in those leading

principal roles, and like, why can't in this movie? And I totally understand that, and I receive it, and I just have to do better on the next one. But again, like, that, that, that, I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just have just have, I just have just have, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just have just have just have just have just have just have just have just have th..................... I just have, I just have, I just have, I just have, I just have, I just have, I just have, I like, that is, we took so much love and care and filmed on location. And so, like, it's, like, I'm happy to like, take the learning from it and bring that to the next one. And also hold space to be proud of this thing we made that has been half my life. So like, I have to be able to hold both those things because they're both true. Like you are hearing from this community that feels underrepresented that is hurting. It's a paradox, yeah. And, and we made this thing and I'm proud of this thing and we don't get to make things

like this much. So, like, I have to just be able to hold it all. As a creative, I wonder if that is something, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. in your mind, or does it become a burden? Or how do you prevent it from becoming a burden? You know, like, how do you live in a space where you go, no, I'm always try to tell the best story? I'm always try to have everybody involved, but I'm not trying to be like, you know, specific about like, you need that as Lynn, or do you think it's just naturally a learning for you as a person? I think it's naturally learning for me as a person.

I think that one of the things I've learned, and I learned this in Hamilton, and I learned this with heights, and you learn it, listen, and you learn it because of the success of the thing. Like that's for half this book. Like, that was most of the time. But I also think that like, there's a reality of like, when you make something, you're creating a frame. And the folks who are not in that frame are going to tell you, hey, we're not in the frame.

And so you go, you have to acknowledge that, and go, and the next time I make and that's sort of all you can do like as you move from thing to thing. You know one of the most beautiful explanations I got was from one of one of our writers and she said to me I was like we were talking about this whole thing and and she said to me she said you know what's really interesting here Trevor is I don't think anybody is angered at Lynn because they thinne the tellainthae th in th in th in thin they they thin they they they they thin they they they they they they they thin they they they they the the the the the the the their the. thin. thin. I thin. thin. thin. I thin. I thin. thin. thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' their one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one. thin, thin, the the the the the the. the. the. thean. thean. thean. thean. thean. thean. thean. thean. the. thean. thean. thean. th it's because they know he's the one person who will listen. Because for so many Afro-Latinos, they've lived in this world where, whether it's Telemundo or Univision or Delon, like any of the telenovelas, there's certain type. Oh, the tele-nvelas are cold-yates. It's like, this is I will, like I am listening, and I do want to do better with each project

and I want to just keep having it bats and having the chance to prove that. Hey man, I'll tell you now. I will support you all to the way. to keep you at bat, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, that, that, th, th, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and...... to. to. to. to. to. the. the. to. to. the. to. the. to. the. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. every single time. Thank you for being here, my friend. Thank you. It's a much pleasure. Good luck for the book. And yeah, man. I hope I'll see you at my Hamilton part two. I'm just gonna find who the person is that like no one really knows underrepresented,

but like that historical figure. Listen, you're all your notes. Berg went to Mexico and'm going to find, maybe I'll find Desamonda 2-2, I've got it, I've got it, I've got it, I've got it, I've got it, I've got it, I've got, I'm gonna go write the thing right now. Follow the threat, keep writing, right? What's missing? Lin, look after the ta. Lin, to tha. Lin, to to to to the to to to to the to to to to the to to to the to the to to the to the to the the the the to to the the to the the to to to to to to to to to to to the the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the th. Li. Li. Li. Li. Li. Li. Li. Li. the, I, I, I, I, I'. the, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm the the the the the the. the. the. try. try. try. to to to to to to in theaters and on HBO Max. All right, we're going to take a quick break, but we'll be right back after this. Well, that's our show for tonight, but before we go, June, as you know, is Pride Month. So please consider supporting an organization called The Trevor Project. It's the world's largest suicide prevention and crisis intervention organization for LGBTQ plus young people. Your support will help them offer LGBTQ plus youth free,

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