The Daily Show: Ears Edition - Copaganda: How Cop Shows Lie to You I Beyond The Scenes

Episode Date: July 23, 2023

Are we being brainwashed by cop shows? Daily Show producer Madeleine Kuhns and writer Ashton Womack join Roy to look at the legacy and popularity of policing onscreen, and how it shapes our relationship with police in the real world.Original air date: September 28, 2021Beyond the Scenes is a podcast from The Daily Show. Listen to new episodes every Tuesday wherever you get your podcasts, or watch at YouTube.com/TheDaily ShowSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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because I'm doing this podcast, because this is beyond the scenes, damn it! This is where we dig into your favorite segments from the Daily Show, and we don't stop until we solve them no matter what the cost. And if you haven't guessed by now, we're talking about police and how they're portrayed on TV shows. It's called Coppaganda. It's a piece we did about cop shows that have dominated TV for decades and how the portrayal of policing affects our understandings of law enforcement in the real world. Roll the tape. Police dramas are iconic, hugely popular, and now under intense fire from activists who

say these shows far too readily portrays cops as good and trustworthy, while undermining real-life claims of systemic racism and abuse. Police not only consulting these shows, but they're also very aware that their portrayals impact public perception, and they have a vested interest in making sure that portrayal is positive. Yes, believe it or not, watching cop shows makes a lot of people see the police as infallible. And honestly, I don't blame any of these people.

I mean, I'll admit, a lot of my perceptions about reality have been shaped by TV as well. Part of the reason it's easy for TV shows to convince people that cops are always right and always good at their jobs is because that's what we want to believe. I think we can all agree that we want people who are going to enforce laws fairly and effectively so that we don't have to do it ourselves. I know I don't want to do it.

Now to talk a little bit more about this topic, we're going to talk with the people to help make this piece come together. Two hard-nosed detectives who brought this piece to life and their chest. They both own Blue Bloods on VHS and DVD because they're diehards. One of our DeepDye producers, Madeline Coons, hello to you. Hello, hello. And one of our writers, Ashton Womack, Ashton, how you're doing?

Ashton, I heard that you own the whole box set of Law and Order LA. Yes, I do, only to learn what not to do and how to avoid the cops. That's where I study it. So, for the people who miss this segment, could you all, I'll start with you, Madeline. Tell me what the segment is all about. The segment's called Coppaganda, and a lot of that is just like, it's looking at just the prevalence of cop shows, I think if you think of, I, the the, th, th, the, th, th, th, th, th, th, the, th, the, th, the, thi, the, the, the, thi, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, thi, thi, the people, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the people, the people, the people, the people, the people, the people, the people, the people, the people, the people, the people, the people, the people, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the thi, thi, thi, to, to, to, to, to, to, toe, too, toe, to, to, to, to, they, the people, the people, the people you think of, I mean, one is like the most watched genre of like all TV, like it's the most popular genre of like all TV shows, which is crazy. And just like the absolute prevalence of that on TV and like how that actually influences our opinions in real life about law enforcement because, as as we mentioned in the piece, like most Americans really have such little interactions with police.

You know, I think it's like 20% of like all Americans. So, like, we really don't see the police that often. And yet, we have this like deep familiarity with, like, law enforcement and, like, the policing system in a way that doesn't quite make sense, unless you take into the count, like, the hours and hours and hours of TV watched and like the media that we consume. That's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's th. th. th. the th. thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. And thi, thi, thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thate thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi th media that we consume. That statistic you just said was crazy. 20% of all Americans. 20%? Yeah, only 20% of all black people have definitely dealt with the cops. And we're only like 13% of the country.

I know, I'm like, what? Who's the 7? Who's the 7? They're like, where are you? Step forward? Lucky individual. Did Coppagan to work on the in the sense of you see these shows where, you know, essentially the police are always right, they do whatever it takes to get the suspect, and you, the viewer, understand.

I had to break that rule, otherwise that bad guy would have gotten away with the thing. How much did television influence your views and opinions of the police? It never influenced my opinions of the police because I had actual experience with the police. So when you, you can show me something on TV all day, but if I go outside and experience a whole different reality, I'm just disconnected. I don't believe what you're showing me. So I always grew up. That's why like you said earlier it was a joke, but I genuinely did not watch, like my mom watched NYPD, New York undercover, that was like probably the one show. Yeah, that's the one they got black people. We watched that. I don't want to age myself but yeah I'm in ballpark your mama's age. Yeah, Maliki. Yeah, Mal- He man, I, I, I, I, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, that, that, that, that, like, like, that, that, like, like, like, like, that, like, like, like, like, likepark your mama's age. Yeah, it was Malik Yoba, man. Yeah, I remember him.

Him and I wasn't the Puerto Rico guy, I forgot him. But, and the last act of every episode, they would play music and it would be a live artist. I'm so glad you chose to be you today. So you got to see black music and culture, but we also took them them the their their their their their their their to their their to see black music and culture, but we also took them down and put them into a system that ain't gonna treat them fairly, but they get in front of a judge. That was my experience with watching TV, or watching cops on the TV. I would watch cops and obviously root for the people running. I'm like, come on dog, jump that gate, jump the gate, make it. So you watch cop shows to root for the criminal. Yes. That's a great. Someone's got to.

Someone's got it on the side. I've had, you know, my own experiences, you know, I've said this, you know what, I haven't said this often in life, but I've had a gun pulled on me five times. Four of them were police officers. Jesus. To the point where if just a regular dude on the the the the street pulled the the the the their their their their their their their the street pulled a gun on me, I like them odds better. You almost would be like, show me your badge. In a weird way, because, you know, there are certain cops that are going to follow the rules and the training worked fine.

But the likelihood of me running into a cop that is nervous is higher than me running into a dude off the corner who's nervous. Because if you're just a regular ass dude, robbing somebody is one of the boldest things, you've already decided that nothing can happen to you. So within that boldness, oddly, I believe, is some level of decorum. You know, like there's honor amongst these but not amongst cops a pair like that's I'm just saying if you told me a gun was gonna get pulled on me tomorrow and I got to choose random dude on

subway track or police officer I would choose random dude on subway track. And that's a huge testament to policing in America especially for black people. That's crazy that you feel that way. You should be calling you should be calling the cops on the guy but instead you have to if you call the cops they go come and pull the gun on you. They're gonna think the robber is still in the he's still here and like he's still here. And then like it's really good point say. And to to to to to to to to to to to to that like that to that that that that that to that that that that that the that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that you that you that you that you that you that you that you that you that you that you that you that you that you that you that that that that that that the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to the to the the the the to to the the the the the the a really good point about being like the nervousness of police because I do think like a huge theme and like cop shows and procedurals is showing like how cops are not only like superhuman but like they're making these split-second decisions like with a very cool head and almost like moving in a way that's very confident on screen.

And so people kind of use that and transpose that I I think, when they think of cops in real life. Like, they don't understand that there is, like, someone who is being nervous and not, you know, like, it kind of, it pushes that idea that, like, the decision that the cops are making is always right on TV because they're not hesitating. The, the one thing that I've always found ridiculous in any police show or any police movie is when they commandeer a regular person's vehicle to keep the car chase going. Like the robber takes a motorcycle and then the cop just like bad boys too is the best example where the damn marino was on the test drive and they snatched damarino out the guy it's like come on you wouldn't do well stop the car get police yeah I'm in the middle of a sale I have to to to to to to to to the to the to the to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their you their you their you they I their you their you they. I they. I they. I they. I they. I they. I I was I was I was I was they. I I was they. I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I'm the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the toy try. I'm tre. I'm toy try. I'm try. I'm try. I'm try. I'm try. I'm try. I'm try. I'm try. I'm get in. I am in the middle of a sale. We'll have to pull my gun.

Oh shit, Damarino, what's up, man? Back up, Dan. Hey, you're the truth. Whatever you need, officers. Hey, Marcus, that's Damarino. Hey, back up. Let me know how it's. theyn'a' too'a' to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha'. th. th. th. th. th. tha. tha. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. t. t. ta. t-a. t-a. t-a. t-a. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. the. the. tha. tha. the. throw up some like orange. It's the flashing of the badge or not. They're just like, I'm police. And they, you know, they're just like,

who is this random dude? I'll say this, the conversation around Coppaganda almost ruined Bad Boys three for me. I'm glad I got my trilogy now I can stop watching them talking movies what you can retire now yeah we waited right we knew we like we're not gonna do that to you what made you all want to talk about this piece like just walking through the the genesis of this conversation in the building.

Did this start in the writers' wing, Ashton, or did this start over in research in the producer wing with you, Madeline? So before, so I'm in a, like a smaller department where it's called like the Deep Dive Department. So, you know, we do a lot of like looking into a lot of like non-headline issues. Ashton is our very successful alumnus. So last year back when he was in Deep Dive, this was about, it was like the end of June. Like the last week of June is like when this aired.

So a few weeks before that, when we were talking about just the rise of like the Black Lives Matter protests that were springing up like across the country and the world after George Floyd was murdered. It was watching over and over again, you know, both just watching the news but also, you know, for work, just watching the overwhelmingly peaceful protests and then seeing the police brutality. That was like being brought into that peaceful space. And just seeing those images over and over again and the videos of people who are very young, you know, but almost always black. And Ashton can talk more about this, but, you know, but, but, but, but, but, the, the, the, the, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the news, the the news, the news, the news, the news, the news, the news, the news, the news, the news, the news, the news, the news, the news, the news, the news, the news, the news, the news the news, the news, the news, the news, the news, the news, the news, the news, the news, the news, the news, the news, the news, the news, the news, the news, the news, the news, the news, the news, the news, the the the the the the the the the th.ea, to toea, toea, toea, too, too, too, too, tooosu.ea, tooomea, the news, the news, tooosea, the news, the news, to are very young, you know, but almost always black.

And Ashton can talk more about this, but, you know, one thing that I think got me started to think about this issue was just, or this piece was more just because, you know, Ashton was protesting and the way that he was beaten by police officers and like seeing that happened so close to home in a way, you know, made me really, it got me thinking a lot of just, again, as one of the not one of the 21% of Americans who've ever really had run-ins or police encounters and just how looking at what was in front of me and how unmemorable the few in police, like police encounters I've had in real life are that I just don't remember like I don't remember them that much because they're not they're not consequential in that way so it was really trying to like get to the bottom of that.

Let's stay with that for a second Ashton Madeline says she can't even remember most of her the police. What me thr of yours. I don't even know where to start. I mean, even as like growing up and you grew up in a black neighborhood, it's just ingrained in you. I can't even remember the time when I ever thought like police were heroes or good, it's always been a negative interaction with my community to the point where like, you play cops and robbers, don't nobody want to be the cops. Everybody's like, I'm, I the th you th you th you th you th you th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I thi thi thi thi th and robbers don't nobody want to be the cops everybody's like I'm a robber you got it's no one you start when you see someone coming in harassing your community you don't

you don't see them as the good guys I remember I've had plenty of interactions when I was younger in Texas I got arrested for weed twice when I was a teenager everybody you know obviously it's proven black, brown, white kids are doing smoking weed at the same exact rate. There's no, there's no race doing it more yet. I would hear these insane stories about how my friends would get pulled over and the cops be like, oh you're good, but if they just smelled anything around us, we were going to jail.

We had to deal with, we were in probation. We had to deal with to deal with getting to deal with getting to deal with getting to deal with getting to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get the to get the to get to get the to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get the the the the the the the their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their smoking, their smoking, theck.keck.keckliphueck.k, theauk, theaugh, smoking, their smoking, their smoking, their smoking, the We had to deal with the, we were in probation. We had to deal with getting put into the cycle that keeps people in jail, especially black people. Telling, going, yeah, exactly. You get put in a situation just because of the color of your skin to be in a cycle of the carceral system. You have to, you go to probation, they say you need to find a job and pay these fees or you're going back to jail. Well, if I don't have no job and I can't, I can't pay, if I can't pay, I'm going to jail.

I've had a lot of interactions with the police, with the carceral system. It's kind of designed for me to have those interactions. It's clear as day that I was dealing with a racist system and so were all my friends around you and it's not until hearing stories like Madelins that's like, oh you really had a different experience dealing with the police. It's like that made up a large part of my teenage youth and stress and my mom being disappointed in me and me thinking it plays it plays a deeper effects on you because you don't think you're going to be able to succeed in life you feel like you're you've been thrown away and that would that's that's

I'm sure I'm not the only person who feels that when we come back to beyond the scenes we're going to talk a lot more about copgana and I know both of y' all you tho tho the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the to the the the to the to to to to to to to to to to to the the to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the you don't. Start thinking now. I'm going to ask. Only one. Okay, yeah. Don't lie. You have to do it. No, I'm asking us to name only one.

I was like, how can we choose? The one that I love, I consider one of the best television series of all time. And I'm so ashamed when I tell you all the news and thought to yourself, wow, the Supreme Court sure does suck? We made a podcast about that. We sure did. There is a supermajority of conservative maniacs on the Supreme Court right now, really doing some damage.

I'm Michael. I'm Riannan. And I'm Peter. Our podcast, 5-4, is about all of this. Every week, we dissect and analyze a different ruling that has made our country a little worse, a little more cruel. And you would not believe how many of them there are. Check out 5-4. That's the number 5-4, dash the number 4, wherever you listen to podcast. Madeline, Madeline, I'm going to start with you. We're talking about copgana-a, which which which which which, the, the, the, the, or the, or the deliberate, or the the tho, or tho, tho, thiii, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi-in, thi-a-a-a-a-a-in-a-in-in-in-in-in-in-in-in-a-a, their, their, or their, or their, or their, or their, or their, or their, or their, or their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the think we all have guilty pleasures. There's foods that you're not supposed to eat, that you eat, you know, they're bad for you.

So we all know there's TV shows that are kind of bad for your mind that you still sometimes check out. Madeline, what is your favorite cop show of all time? I mean, I will say the one that it's not one of the typical procedurals in terms of like cops, but criminal minds. Which is all about like the FBI profiling serial killers. It follows like the same exact formula in the template and like, I don't know. It was on all the time when I was in grad school. I was in Ireland and like the only TV channel that we got was just like criminal criminal minds like during the break and I was like well this is what I'm watching

like and I just got so addicted to that show but it was also really crazy I was just like oh wow we're exporting like the way that we see law enforcement and policing to like the rest of the world so but yeah but yeah no I watch like all of it and it's not good, but it's hugely problematic. Ashton, I already know your answer. You watch New York undercover, but that's only because Malik Yoba was in it and iced tea. I grew up watching T.J. Hooker. Using syndication by that point, William Shatner just is a tough LA detective, always in a foot chase with action music playing

and all of that. 90s, early arts, New York Undercover, and then Third Watch was a show that I love. It wasn't extremely popular, but I thought it was well done. But my goat TV show. I have four TV shows that I think are just canon in this television universe. The Wire, the Sopranos, Breaking Bad, and the Shield. Oh, okay, yeah, we definitely watched some of that. We got violent there at the end. Yeah. Now when we talk coppaganda, the shield. And this is going to dovetail into my question about your you all's research into researching

this segment. But the shield for those who never saw it. It was a show about a dirty cop unit. It was based on the Rampart unit in LAPD that was just running roughshod over people in the 90s. But in the show, there were a dirty unit, but they sometimes do the wrong thing for the right, I'm a dirty cop and I steal, but I still to pay for the private school for my autistic child, see?

What? You like me, right? No, I hate you there was a cop that was investigating the unit and this is the pilot of the shield I'm not even giving away the series the first episode there's a clean cop investigating the dirty cops and they kill him and the rest of the series is the length that they go to cover up that crime oh wow this kind of sounds good this one of the best telethey go to cover up that crime. Oh wow, this kind of sounds good. It's one of the best television shows ever written. But... I mean it was a big rise of like the anti-hero.

That's like, he was like... Vic, Mackey and Tonia Soprano were the only two that existed. Those are the only two characters that my daughter's been kidnapped and it was a Colombian. So then he would go into the hood and chop off eight Colombians. My bad, that was the wrong Colombian. Anyway, we found her in the, yeah, it's very like, ends justify means 100%. I bring all of that up to ask you all in the process of researching this what were some of the common themes that you saw through

all of this in terms of the programming? There's like three on the top of my head that come to mind and like the first one well the first one was that like all these cop shows just like how many there are and like just like the prog the procedural of like solving a crime every week it really makes it seem like violent crime is like increasing or like this like reality that we live in where in fact like violent crime has been like trending downward over time so it's just like but this idea of just like seeing crime all the time makes us like deeply fearful and makes like like having a police force which I the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to to to to the the the the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th is is. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the way that you need to view the police force,

especially if you're looking at like funding issues and things like that. The second one was more like, like this like weird like colorblind magical world where there's like a lot of black and brown people in roles and like judges and like other police officers. So it's like there's race, but racism doesn't exist. So it's just like you're like, oh, so that's okay that's okay, that's okay, that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's okay that he's chasing that guy because it's not about a systemic problem or like if they do deal with race it's like a very special episode and it's all about like one black cop. Do you mean he's like he was mean to me and it's like, he's. he was mean to me and it's like, it's like, it's like, the wire season four. Yeah, it's like, the wh. the wh. the wh. the wh. the wh. the wh. the w. the w. the w. the w. the w. the w. the w. the w. the w. the w. the wire. the wire. the wire. the wire. the wire. the wire. the wire. the wire. the the wire. the wire. th. the. It's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the. the. the. the. the the the the the the th.. th. th. the the the th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. guy, not a system. It's okay, we're moving on, and we're never going to mention this again. Just like this idea of like, I did what I had to do, you know?

Like this idea that like the way that we have normalized a, like the abuse, like the intimidation, the like boatloads of like illegal surveillance that these shows do, cops have to do it to be good. And so because the police are the good guys that like, it's almost just like even when they're bad, like the system only works because the police break the rules. Like that's the only way the justice system works. We can't just break protocol because we think it's right at the time and expect to get away with it.

Normally I'd agree with to the the th. But in this case, I'd rather ask for forgiveness than permission. As you well know, we will need a warrant to search the house. Agent Callan, these are exigent circumstances. You let me worry about the legal ramifications. If I could have been the rules a little bit to get a bad guy off the street, I'm gonna do it, and you would too. Forget warrants. Forget the rules.

It's on us to get to the to to get to get the to get to get to get the the to get to get the to get him. Ooh, that was cool. Although what that guy was actually saying is the Constitution is for pussies. I guess the things that stuck out to me as well was like what they didn't show. It was like, it was like the same, the people who wrote these TV shows were the same people who wrote Florida's critical race theory laws. We're like we're taking all the black stuff out. You just read, you don't even pay attention to black stuff. And it's like, that's what I paid attention to. Having a, uh, uh, cops, they're just trying to, trying to make them lovable when I just never saw a lovable cop.

And I was like, who are these, who are these down the earth, humane cops that was what I noticed the most and like like Mads were saying it was how they portray these cops as these like just anti-heroes and and what kind of really did stick out was like seeing them break it the law even in their own system like they couldn't say like like I was saying say if they needed something out of evidence locker they would break the law in the police department they would they didn't follow the law the the the the law the the the law the the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. their. their their their their. their. I was their. I was their. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, I I I I I I was their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their theyn't is. I'm they. I'm they. they. they's their they. their their they. And then. And they. And then. And they's. And I'm they's. I'm they's is. I'm the in the police department. They didn't follow the law anywhere. They'd be like, let me, I need something out of here out of the evidence locker. And they'd be like, sorry, I'm not allowed to. And then they smashed their head up because the evidence locker.

And then the evidence locker opens up and I guess I didn't need you anyway. And they were just break laws. And it's like, to me, it was upsetting to me because it's like, well, it's you're normalizing this behavior and you're allowing, we were basically giving sanction to, for officers to be that violent and that like aggressive even throughout the entire time. I'm so sorry, I pitched the session because we had to watch so much, like we had to watch so many episodes. Like, we watched, we watched a lot of TV. It was brutal. A lot a a lot but it was super bad there's just like some crazy crazy like crazy episodes that I was like how there was a blue bloods episode where a cop like literally he chases a suspect you know a suspect who is black into an apartment building like pulls out his gun is like stop free you know freeze or whatever the guy

the guy on the second floor throws himself out of the window lands on the ground and and the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their their was their was their was like their was like their was their their their their their their they. they. they. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. the. the. the. the. theeeeeee. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. throws himself out of the window, lands on the ground and then he like breaks his arm so he's like police brutality, police brutality and I was like this is not but it was like a three-minute long you know scene so like you can't we can't use it but I was just like who sees this and thinks that's what police brutality is. Please brutality. Wait, wait, don't shoot. Shut your mouth. Hey, back inside the apartment. Tenor Apple chants against a wall, I promise I'll throw you out the window. Yeah!

Hey! Call an ambulance. They pushed me out the window! Just calm down, look, just stop moving. Police brutality! Police brutality! Calm down! What the hell, lady? Give me some examples of stuff that you wish it made it into the piece but didn't because of time.

The kids piece, the kids portion? What's that? What's that? The propaganda that gets shown to children and you know slowly indoctrinates them into believing that you know everything is good with the policing in America and getting them to which I mean you don't want to like which is it is a fine line to walk you don't want to introduce negative thoughts around policing. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the police the police the police the police the police the policing. the police the policing. the police the police. their their to to to their their their their the police.. to their their their their their their their their their their their their their. their. their. their. their. their line to walk. You don't want to introduce negative thoughts around policing, but you do want to be honest to your kids about what policing in America is currently. And so, but we had a vast, vast PR system targeted towards children for police. Which I think is the most insidious one because it's like cops are I mean dogs are definitely racist and then now they're cops there's doubly right what

dogs don't see color they don't have to met have you met the Paw Patrol yeah because I've met them oh no man dogs don't see color. the Paw Patrol live pre COVID. Oh no bad dogs don't see color and I don't that I'm like you should see my car. I see if all the the cops. I the cops. I the cops. I the cops the cops the cops the cops the cops the police. I the cops the cops the cops the cops they they are they are they are they are they are they are they are they are they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're cops. I they're they're cops. I they're cops. I they're cops. I they're there. I there's there's there's there's there's there's there's they are they are they are they are they are they are they are they are they are they are they are they are they are they are they are they are they are they are they are they are they are they are they are they are they are they are the cops. I they're not the cops. I the cops. I they're not not not not. I can. I can. I can't the cops. I can. I they're not. I they're not. I they're not. I pre-COVID. Oh, no, man. Dogs don't see color and I don't trust that. I'm like, broo you should see my car. I can see if all of the Paw Patrol was German Shepherds and you as a black person would feel some sort of way based on the German Shepherds relationship with the black community and the six.

But I'm not going to come on True TV in the early arts. This is when reality TV was really wild. The show was called Bate Car. And Bate Car was a show where they would have a nice car and leave the engine running and just leave it in a low-income neighborhood. I love that show. And then some random dumbass would hop in the car. Ooh, the keys in it. Hell yeah.

And they would hop in it and then a kill switch would be activated. They would be locked in the car and then the cops will pull up and take them to jail for car theft. Okay, these guys are right up on the car. Drivers getting in. Stand by. That's all that. They're going. A big car heading north. Okay, shut it on.

The kill switch stalls the engine and locks up the windows and doors. Right. Oh. Oh. And it? The aura up. It's like the police were creating scenarios for crime instead of going to find crime. Like a show like that's too late dog we're going to jail dog. It's like the police were creating scenarios for crime instead of going to find crime. Like a show like that and I'll be honest you're right it was entertaining As Ashton.

Because the funny in it was watching people trying to figure out how to get out the car. Mm-hmm. Hey, look, and you were, like for me, when I would watch a Bacar, I would always, I know what the outcome is gonna be. I know every single time, they go in to jail. But I still would be like, they're gonna beals versus the Harlem Globe Trotters. You know they go lose, but yeah, I mean, they got one fan in me.

Like, yeah, it just never really hit until, you know, a year two later, where you just like, you knew like, well, should the police be doing this? Anyway, it's entertaining. Then years later, you go, wait. That's really messed up. Reality TV is almost like its own, you know, own piece in itself because it's just so expansive. So we really didn't have time to fit that into the piece, but like we did look into a lot of reality TV and it's deeply disturbing to watch and it's also just. I learned a lot more about the show cops though, which I think everyone watched whether they realized it or not it was on everywhere.

It wasn't all bad man. It's like sometimes I got to watch some of my favorite clips from cops. There was one clip on there I remember watching it was like the this like one lady she went to her cop and she was like this lady this drug dealer I was try to buy drugs and she the drugs and then the cop was like what? I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. There's th. There's like, the th. There's like, th. There's like, the the the they. they. th. th. the the the the their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th this drug dealer, I was trying to buy drugs and she ain't sell me the drugs. And then the cop was like, what? Show me who? It is, she went to the lady and she was like, bam, did you not sell her drugs? And she was like, first off, officer, I'm not a drug dealer. I'm a prostitute. I'm a prostitute. And we were, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show. I, show. I, show. I, show. th. th. th. classic clips. Don't get it wrong.

Cops got some good stuff. But also it's a terrible show. It's a terrible show. What I didn't know actually before doing this piece was just like the history behind cops and how it was really used as this like PR vehicle. So it started to like get big after it was like a year or two after the police beating of Rodney King is like the show Cops was invited by they got permission to film in LA and it was specifically to rehab the image of the LAPD to make them like give like receive better coverage and like that became the cops models. They know what they're doing

they're rehabbing their image like when Justin Bieber did the roast to Justin Bieber and it's like oh this to rehab his image that image. That's literally what you're cops. That's cops. The roast of the San Diego Police Department. Cops did get taken off the air during the George Floyd uprising in this country, at least no new episodes. I've heard rumors that it's starting to seek back into syndication in certain places. But I want to talk to you all about about about the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to the to to to to the to to to to to to to to to to to to to, to to the to tooes. I, tooes. I, tooes, I want to talk to you all about the future of Coppagan and where we go from here now that we as a country are actually aware of what the hell is going on. Also, we need to talk about while these rappers end up being cops at some point.

LL Kooja cop on NCIS, Ice T is a cop. The Ice Cube is a cop and ride along. We need to talk about that transition from, the ice cube is a cop and ride along. We need to talk about that transition from F to police to how much you're gonna pay me an episode to be people? Can I apply to the police? This is beyond the scenes. We'll be right back. Hey, I'm Ben Mycelus. I'm Brett Mycelus. And I'm Jordy. We are the hosts of the Midas Touch Podcasts. the top-toppopop top top top top top top top top top top top top to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to hosts of the Midas Touch Podcasts, the top rated top watch podcast for pro-democracy content. Every single day we release new episodes reporting on the issues that matter most without any of that both sides corporate media BS that we are all so sick of.

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A lot of cop work is mundane. It's weird. It's talking to a prostitute who supposedly sold me drugs, but she's not even a drug dealer. It's job is to tell a story to wrap you up in the story with drama and conflict. So you need conflict if you want a show to be good. If you're telling the truth about policing is probably going to be boring. You need some, I'll give you a perfect example. Ashton, the Shield, season 5. Anthony Anderson was the villain he had killed a girl and hid the body and they spent in the whole season trying to find the body of his girl Vic Mackey finds out that Anthony Anderson's son is in prison in a minimum security

jail so Vic Mackey has his son transferred to maximum security where all of Anthony Anderson's street gang enemies are incarcerated knowing what they'll do to his son. And Vic Mackey used the threat of prison rape and traumatizing a 19-year-old to find the body of the dead girl and bring the family justice. Can we all vote right now for the Shield Dramatization Podcast? Just by Broi.

Yeah. I would listen to that. Was you not enthralled by that storyline? Yeah. Yeah. That's how you get leverage on a criminal who killed innocent black women. But like, I know that that's not realistic, but are there any show, like, because to me there are aspects of police work that I don't know anything about and that I do, to a degree,

help inform me. I will say that law and order SVU, by and large, was a great part of my education on just how terrible agenda men are. And that's a show, it's not an easy show to watch even with iced tea with his perm. I feel like that's why they have iced tea in that show is to make it more digestible for black people because you know it's so serious and heavy and then ice tea just walks in a man man we got to take him down. Whoa is that a body over there? It's like yeah that's a body there's a body over there ice tea. Yeah yeah no. Well 100% that is like one of the things that we were running into but we discovered is and we kind of already, is that a lot of what they show is violence. They over sensationalize the violence aspect of police work

and they minimize the actual police, the work of the police work, which when you hear at these protests, you hear about it all the time. You hear that like, the police are overworked. They have the time. You hear that like the police are overwork. They have too many jobs. There should be mental health counselors going out for certain, to deal with certain problems instead of sending a police officer. That's why, you know, a large percentage of police shootings end up being disabled, mentally disabled or handicapped people because they just,

they only know how to, not they only know how, but they're dealing with problems that shouldn't you need a hammer. You probably probably to to to to to to. to. to. to. to. to. to. they. they. their, their, their, their, their, to, to, to be, their, to be, to be, to be, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, to, to, to, to, to, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, their, their, their, their, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, toe.e.e. toe. to shouldn't you need a hammer you probably should give to other people but it is an oversensationalization over sensationalization of police violence and I think you definitely got to start there. Madeline do these shows have a responsibility to be socially conscious or to just be entertaining. I mean I I think there's there's a space between there where it's like if you're to try to push to push to push to push to push to push to push a to push a to push a to push a to push a to to to to to the to the to to the the to the to to to to the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to be a. to be a. to be a. to be a. to be a. to be a. to be a. to be a. to be a. to be a. to be a.. to be a. to. to. to. to. to. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. the. think there's a space between there where it's like if you're gonna try to push like a realistic genre, like policing doesn't exist in a vacuum in our society,

it has like very real implications. I mean, I will say watching SVU, which is a show that I loved and I loved at Livia Benson, it did make me feel like I would be kidnapped, anywhere, anywhere in the city because because because because's what happens at the beginning of the episode. Of like every episode, I was like, this woman has been kidnapped. They will find, they will beat up the suspect until they get her location and they will save her just in time. But yeah, I mean, I think, you know, one of the thing, study of police procedurals.

And they released this really large report. It's called normalizing injustice. And one of the stats they found, which I think, actually, you can talk more about this, being a black writer in often a very white space. But 81% of the writers on these scripted TV shows are white. So you don't have the demographics reflecting the reality. So, I mean, maybe it's less of a the right right right right right right right right right right right a a a the right right right right right right right a the right right right right right right right right right, their their their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the't have the demographics reflecting the reality. So I mean maybe it's less of a an outright responsibility but like if they're gonna try to tell stories it's like you don't have enough voices in the room to actually tell that story in. To tell it balance and tell it properly.

So I think that's why we're seeing a lot of these a lot of these storylines. I know Viacom CBS, who's a proud parent company of the Daily Show and the Beyond the Scenes podcast, Viacom CBS and other networks, they've hired a lot of consulting groups to police their portrayal of people and the criminal justice system in their program. And it's almost like they've, like, companies have had to hire, like, it's not enough to just cancel cops and say, and say, and say, and say, and say, and say, and say, and say, and say, and say, and say, and say, and say, and say,

.. . . . Companies have had to hire, like it's not enough to just cancel cops and say you're not going to show cops anymore, but now you need someone to come in and audit your whole situation to find where your racial blind spots are. And it's, you know, you know, all love to paramount, but it's crazy that you have to do that when you can just hire people of color or people who've experienced those things. You wouldn't need a consulting group if you, you, you, you, you, country's done the right thing and put people and allow people to tell

their own stories. I'd say just especially like if no harm was coming of this like maybe they don't have a social responsibility but like we've already we've seen that these shows are like actively shaping our perceptions of police, right in a way that doesn't match reality and that might be deeply harmful for certain people in society who have a lot less power. So yeah, I think there is, I think something has to change and it has to change just as much behind the camera as in front of it. So, I think one of the things we did learn while researching this was how, and we probably said it already, but how these shows literally, they created the perspective of, of kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind, the the the the the the the the the the their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thi, thi, their, their, th thi, thi, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the perspective of kind of black people in policing and why it was okay to be overly brutal to black people in America because they're watching

these police shows and the criminals. Though there was this notion of having like the cop shows would have black police chiefs and all that, you would still have the criminals be overwhelmingly black or PLCs and it kind of justified in America's mind the brutality that it needs to happen. And that is like, that is the problem. When someone else has control over your image, they have the control over my image. They can do with it what they will and they put that image in other people's minds. And now I have to deal with the consequences of what they've put in people's minds. Actually, I'm not an excuse me. Oh, go go ahead, go ahead. No, I just I had a

question for you because you mentioned that you had police officers in your family and I'm wondering how they're affected by watching cop shows and like how if that changed your perception of watching cop shows because I didn't I mean I mean I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I th. I th. I mean I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I that thi th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I'm th. I th. I th. I th. I that I that I that I that I that I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the. I the. I the. I don't have any law enforcement in my family so it really was like being raised by Olivia Benson you know. Talking to them taught me the mundaneness the the overwhelming mundaneness of police work which I think feeds into the when something oh you got some action it feeds into that oh shit you're almost something this is everything that I've been trained to stop, because this is the one thing that I should always be careful about. Like, when I saw Bad Boys 2, the thing that's always made me laugh about police work in general on television is after they shoot somebody

and then they just go on about the rest of the case card, yeah. Yeah, you're supposed to go do all like bad boys too. They blew up the whole freeway. And there was no paperwork. They're just like, great. There was no paperwork. Good job boys. Keep it the case. You destroyed $16 billion worth of city damage.

And God damn it, you do it again. And like, you get a pat on the back. They went to Cuba without clearance from the government to save Will Smith's girlfriend. And blew up a mansion. So, they, Bad Boys Three should have just been them coming back from suspension for the last 15 years. Yeah. I have a black question for you, Madeline, just sit this one down in me,

I was like, please don't say me, please don't say me. I thought he was gonna say you. Denzel's Oscar and Training Day, proud moment or no, as a dirty cop. I mean, obviously, I think it's very nuanced, proud moment because wasn't it like one of the first times a black actor was able to be awarded, th..............., th.. th. th. th. to, to, to, th. th. to, th. th. th. th. th. the, th. th. th. the, th. the, th. th. th. that, that, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th. th. th. th. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. the. the. th. the. the. the. th. the, the, the, the,, I think it's very nuanced, proud moment, because wasn't it like one of the first times a black actor was able to be awarded at that height? But it had to, yeah. But it had to be for being a crooked, dirty cop.

I mean, they could have gave that to Carl Winslow. He, you know, he should have been, why, why we got started with a dirty cop. Carl Winslow was a great cop and he taught America good values and he didn't get awarded at all so I don't know. I want to say as far as copaganda goes Carl Winslow really did come home with a good attitude for somebody who was on the Chicago PD. Carl Winslow was the worst problem no the GDEs down the street. You worried about the wrong. Are these changes enough? It's what's happening. Is that enough or is there more that needs to happen?

And if so, what else can we do? Or do we just blacken up these writers' rooms, blacking up these diversity panels, and consulting, hired black consultants, and see where that gets us in a the the their their th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, their, th, th, their, th, their, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their, their, their, their, the, the, the, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th........ the, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the, the, thanks, thanks, thanks, thanks, thanks, thanks, thanks, thanks, thanks, thanks, thanks, thanks, thanks, thanks, thanks, us in a couple of years or are there more drastic things that you all would like to see happen in the in the short term? I think it's not enough, but I don't think it's enough. I think we are skimming the surface of how we are truthfully telling the the nations, the relationship we have the America has with the police. I don't think there's any story out there that's actually actively portraying how current modern day America's relationship with the police. Now that being said, that doesn't mean to go on the other opposite end and just be

like, oh, cops are big, you know, have a show called ACAB and then just, you know, just show the negativity, and only show just the worst worst worst worst worst worst worst worst worst worst worst the worst worst worst the worst worst the worst the worst the worst worst worst the worst, the worst worst, the worst worst, the worst worst worst worst worst worst, the worst worst worst, the worst worst worst worst worst, the worst, the worst worst, the worst, the worst, the worst, the worst, the worst, the worst, the worst, the worst, the worst, the worst, the worst, the worst, the worst, know, just show the negativity, and only show just the worstness of cops because that's not the case either. But we have to find a way to tell the true story of policing in America. I know it's entertainment, I know it's entertainment, I know it's TV, I know it's entertainment, but for the past like 30 years, it may be longer than that, it has not the real.. the the the the the the the the the but for the past like 30 years, maybe longer than that, it has not told the real story and it's had a negative consequence on many Americans. Madeline, what stories surrounding policing in our criminal justice system would you like to see told? I mean, I agree with Ashton. I think that we haven't really seen a real portrayal, so I do think showing that. I also think there, I mean, there just needs to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be more to be to be to be to be to be told their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, to to be a to be a toe. told. toe. tol. told. toe. toe. toe. tol. toe. tole. the. the. the also think there, I mean, there just needs to be more space for other stories that doesn't, like, that don't only tie black people to policing as well, right?

Like, we can't only have stories of tragedy, you know, I think like showing the full spectrum of humanity, which is often not shown on police procedurals. Like, you just need space for like, like, thia thia thia thia thia thia thia, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like other shows as well. But again, a lot of that change happens like, you know, in the writer's room. I mean, I guess, I mean, I'm kind of curious now, like, because you're both actors, like, would you want to be, would you be in a police procedural? Like, would you take a role as a cop or a detective? Oh, that's like, I mean, I just, I don't, I, I, I, I, I, I,'m just like how, like, I guess that's like, if it was changed. I mean, I just, I don't, I don't, I think it has to change a lot, but I don't know exactly

how. Well, I had a sitcom that was originally in development here at Comedy Central, where I played a probation officer. And for me, I wanted to show the redemption side of the criminal justice system, because I feel like that's something that we don't see enough of. Most shows that involve the criminal, the legal system, it's either the cop, it's the case, or it's jail. But there's never anything on the other side of that.

I would say the only show in the last couple of years, to even come close to that is the last OG on T.S on, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, t, t, t, t, the, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the, th, th, the, the, th, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th, th, th, th. th. thi, thi. to, tod.e.e. today, today, today, today, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, that is the last OG on TBS. And that's really more of the first two seasons where we see Tracy Morgan's character going to a halfway house. And that's really not about the criminal justice system as much as that shows more about one man's journey back from all of that. It's not really pilling back the layers of probation and the bullshit and everything you go through and keep this job. But you got a the job a the job the job the job the job the job the job the job the job the job the job the job the job. the job. the job. the job. the job. the job. the job. the job. the job. the job. the job. the job. to to to to to to to the to to to to to to to to to to toogeauauk. to to toogeauauc, to to tooge. to tooge. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. the toe. tha. try. te. te. te. te. te. te.e.e. te. te.e.e. try.a. t.a. te. But you got a job, but the job is out of your travel district.

And the judge won't give you clearance to go to the next county to work. So now you're in violation because you're two payments behind on your restitution. Like, they don't really get into that on the last OG. But that's definitely, you know, that's definitely been a show that I've enjoyed seeing kind of explore just a different part of that world. They do that in Atlanta, there's like scenes of in Atlanta, in the TV show Atlanta, Earn or Trilish Gambino's character, he gets arrested and you keep, and throughout the season, you see him still having to go to probation office.

He calls out, oh, if I don't pay, I'm going to go to probation office. He calls out, oh wow, I have, oh, if I don't pay, I'm going to jail. And people, I don't think a lot of Americans recognize that when you get arrested, nobody, it means specifically, especially for something as inconsequential as marijuana. There's millions of Americans dealing with, have been put in a system where they, their life is now a jingo, a jinga, table and one false move can have that entire thing come crumbling down. And that's the situation you're putting, you're putting a situation where your future is literally at jeopardy and that pressure you feel, it's not just dealing with police brutality. The brutality continues after you get a job, after you come out of jail and trying to get a job,

trying to vote, trying to change laws. There's so many things that you still have to deal with and the pressure is constantly on you. So yeah, I want to see more stories like Ashton's story, because like you were saying, it's very, like what you're saying is like, like the truth of that is not reflected in on screen. So those are the stories that absolutely need telling. Ashton's just an innocent kid. Ashton's an innocent kid, minding his business, but he knows the guy that sold the drugs that

OD the girl. And Detective Vic Mackey pulls it up. And takes Ashton and chokes him up and puts him up and puts him up to this to bottle. Yeah. Okay, you're not a drug dealer right now, but if I take this crack cocaine and put it in your pocket, that's 10 years. Where's tea bake? Tell me where tea bake is.

I ain't telling you shit, Coppa. That's all the time we we we today. I'm pretty sure we fixed Coppagan. Special thanks to you Madeline and special thanks to you Ashton for going beyond the scenes with me today. Hopefully we've taken you beyond the scenes. Take care everybody. I'm gonna go re-watch the shield now. I'm sorry it's a good show. I think I am too, honestly. Yeah, I think I'm a huge fan now. Yeah. Everybody go watch the Shield. Yeah.

He went on a date. Forrest, look, I know the music is playing. I know it's supposed to shut up now. I don't care. Forse Whitaker was internal affairs and was investigating Vic Mackey went on a on a on a date on a date on a date on a date on a date on a date on a date on a date to to to date to date to date to date to date to date to date to date to date to date to date to date with his ex-wife just to break him down. D'i! Cold World. That's a dirty cop.

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