The Daily Show: Ears Edition - Desi Lydic Foxsplains - Beyond the Scenes

Episode Date: November 8, 2021

Desi Lydic and senior producer Matt Negrin join Roy Wood Jr. to discuss the digital series Desi Lydic Foxsplains and the rampant spread of misinformation in right-wing media. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What are we doing again? I said Welcome Back. Like it was fucking already. Welcome back. I know, it's like what? Did we just do a segment? You know what? Let's just keep that? Yeah. Let's keep rolling then, damn it. Welcome to Beyond the Scenes. Fuck it! I'm Roywood Jr. That's Daily Show correspondent, Desilighting, and Senior Digital Expansion,

Emmy winning the nominated producer, Matt, Heygren. Just go ahead and edit the title as you reach me. Yeah. We are talking this weektitle as you reach me. We are talking this week about a beautiful, beautiful segment that our digital team. It started as a digital segment and eventually expanded to the actual linear broadcast. It's called Fox Splains. Now a little bit later in the show, we're going to be joined by a senior media reporter, Oliver

Darcy from CNN. But first, let's roll the clip. I've been watching Fox News for 153 hours straight so I can give you the low down on what's already considered to be the most corrupt presidency in the history of the United States. If you thought Obama wearing that tam suit was disgraceful, and Jesus knows I did. Way do you get a load of this. Let's take stock of Joe Biden's America. Dr. Seuss illegal.

Dr. Fauci promoted. Dr. Scholl's so comfy. Dr. Quinn Medicine woman hasn't been on TV since 1998. Is this the country we want to leave to our strange children? To talk about what it means to Fox Blaine, Desi, Matt, welcome to be on the scenes. Matt, I'll start with you first because I would say of everybody in our building, and I've tried to explain the way the Daily Show works to people as this beehive of people

that all have different interests and responsibilities. You are the guy in the building that watches all the news. It's so horrible thing. It's not even your department. Not even my job. But you watch it all. You watch Fox MSNBC, CNN. I'm pretty sure you watch Black News Channel at this point. You watch cheddar. Is that the one? Cheddar? So much cheddar. A lot of cheddar. A lot of cheddar, a lot of Pluto TV, a lot of Christian broadcast network.

Yeah, if there's, is Pax still on? Pax is there, yeah, we got packs. Also, there's a really nice New Mexico correspondent I dig, so I kind of, I got a little hook up, the IT guy gave me a VPN. I that's the the the I need to, yeah. All that stuff, straight into my eyeballs. Matt is true, he watches more than anybody at the show, hands down. So where did this idea come from, Matt? In any way, suggesting it was your idea.

No, we started doing these Fox Blaine's things with Michael Costa, another correspondent. And then one day he was unavailable, and we like, oh Desi can do it and Desi has done it ever since. I was like the alternate who was just like waiting for my chance to get it. I was just sitting on the bench waiting for someone to get sick or underperform or like have another gig. Tom Brady got salivating. Tom Brady is Tom Brady because Drew Bledso got hurt during a game. So never forget that. Desi is our Tom Brady? OK, I don't know how much this metaphor is going to hold up.

Guys, I am nodding, like I know what you're talking about, but I am not a sports person. I'm going to be real. Our producer who runs, Rameen who runs the expansion department says that Desi taking over from Fox Plains was the best scheduling conflict of all time. So I think I agree it worked out great. The idea of it if that's what you were actually asking was that we felt that like Fox was getting crazier and crazier like not only just in the election but also after the election like come on this stuff about it wasn't it was beyond hydroxy chlorquequeen it was beyond like COVID is fake it was beyond hydroxy chloroqueen. It was beyond like, COVID is fake.

It was like going into the craziest, darkest places. I remember there was one day when it, during the election, they were talking, Fox News was talking about Joe Biden and Ukraine and like the Barisma thing, and they were like, what about John Kerry's nephew? And I was like, is this real or not? And so we made a list of things like that that were like Malia Obama's Spotify playlist, things like that that would make no sense at all.

Eric Holder's Venmo account, whatever. And we were like, oh, this, we should just put this in a list and have someone just be like, this is the problem the problem the problem the problem the problem the problem the in a list and have someone just be like, this is the problem. What about Bill Clinton's G Chat history? Chelsea Clinton's iPod, Acorn diamonds. They're all in on it. Biden, Clinton, the steel dossier, Australia of course. What about Eric Holder's Huloo password?

Malia Obama's Venmo history. Oh, hey, J. Z. Visitor logs. And that generally expanded to larger sentences. And then when we did this with Desi, it was like, we're just gonna pretend Desi's been watching Fox News for six days straight and is now explaining to you what is on Fox. Because let's be honest, our audience is not watching Fox for good reason, that number one reason is like they care about their mental health and it will probably destroy you. Desi, who is this character that you play? And I th, th, th, th, that that that that that that that that that that th, that that th, th, th, that th, th, that that th, thi, thi, thi, that, that, that, th, thus, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thus, thi, thi, thus, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thiiiiii.. thiiiii. thii. Wea. Wea, thi, thi, thi, thi, who is this character that you play? And I think that's the thing that, well, I have two questions, but first, to you, who is this character that you're presenting? Who is this news viewer that you believe watches Fox for six days straight?

Well, I kind of, I guess I look at it like it's my own correspondent character, having been subjected to a deeply unhealthy amount of Fox News binge watching. Basically, we started it somewhere around, like I've been binge watching Fox News for 72 hours, and then I think it became seven days straight with no bathroom breaks and has like escalated ever since. And I, you know, I love that because when I first auditioned for the Daily Show, I know we've traded stories on our audition pieces before, but my original, you know, you write a piece and you perform that piece for the audition, and the piece that I wrote at the time, and this was back in 2015,

was a version of like a hybrid of Megan Kelly and Gretchen Carlson and all of the Fox News blondes that I was watching at the time, right? Yeah, I know. That did not age well. It's Desi. Desi Leydic. Okay, care to expand on that? Well, I'm a Stanford graduate. I have multiple degrees. I speak nine different languages.

One 14 different beauty pageants. I'm a proficient puppeteer, a celiac survivor. No, no, I meant to expand on your view. Oh, no. No, it's self-evident. At that time, I kind of was like, I thought that that was going to be my lane. And then very quickly, after we started in 2015 and Trump came to the front of all of this, and then he became the nominee and then the president, we really quickly realized like, oh, we, there's a bigger beast here in the picture, and we have other things to be talking talking talkalkalkalkalkalkalkalkalkalkalkalkalking about to be talking about to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to to to to to to to to to to to that. that. that. that. that. that. that that that that that that that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, and that, that, and that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, to be to be to be to be the the the the the the the to be the the the to bea.a.a. the toeanananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananan, toe, that, toe, toe, oh we, there's a bigger beast here in the picture and we

have other things to be talking about. So I'm grateful that I wasn't necessarily cornered into that specific character. But ever since then we were kind of looking for a way to embody the madness and the mania without completely betraying our correspondent characters. And this felt like a really cool container to put that in. Because it is a feeling, right? When you watch Fox News. Oh, it's a feeling.

It's one very specific feeling. Yeah. I like the segment because it's kind of, Desi, to me, Matt, seems like what would happen if you followed every bread crum? And you said yes to every possible thing that was ever suggested,................ to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to be, to, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to me, to me, to me, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be to be the the they, they, they, to be to be a to be a thea, to bea, to bea, they.a, toe.a, toe. toe.a, toe.a, they, they, they and you said yes to every possible thing that was ever suggested or presented and you somehow start connecting all of these nonsensical dots like in a way it's the it's the Randy Quaid character and independence day who's trying to explain the alien they're coming like, like considering that it's digital segment, and I think this is the

part that's really cool about it, because when we were in unprecedented times, in these uncertain times, yes, back when the Daily Show first was waiting into those unprecedented times, we were doing, you know, we already do a lot of digital content on the show, but talk to me a little bit about, like, what are the different creative freedoms that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that's freedoms freedoms freedoms freedoms freedoms freedoms freedoms freedoms freedoms that that that that that's thiia, th show, but talk to me a little bit, Matt, about like, what are the different creative freedoms that you have? Because in digital, we don't have the constraints of time, nor do we necessarily have to follow a narrative that ties into something that Trevor is talking about on that particular night. And also, the way that, I mean, this makes me a little a little bit sad because I think quarantine has taken, working from, or working, or working, or working, or working, or working, or their, or working, or their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, think quarantine has taking, or working from home I should say has taken a lot of the energy out of that feeling of like I need to run down to like Desi and Roy's office and be like can we do something real

quick on this on like my phone right now. Okay so then to that point Matt you're running all over the building but then you can't because COVID 43 is finally here. How did that change how you all produce these th th th thi th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I I th. I I th. I I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm thi. the. thee. t. toooee. te. toda. toda. toda. te. the. the. I'm the. I'm th. I did that change how you all produce these types of segments? At first I think when we were all kind of like, oh we got to do stuff from home, a lot of people are like, this is going to be weird. And Fox planes was one of the things where we were like, this is actually perfect because part of like part of being on this expansion team, kind of like a digital team with a little bit more, is that we, is that that we that we that that that that that th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, is, is thi, is a thi, is a thi. thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii. thii. thi. thi. thiam with a little bit more, is that we are able to do things in a truly different way that is, it sounds so corporate to be like digital first, but like at the time, TikTok was getting really popular and we were seeing like a lot of things on Instagram and even on Twitter that were like people holding up their phones and just kind of recording themselves and being like I got to get this off off off................. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, to, to, th. And, to, to, to, to, to, the, the, to, to, to, to, to, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, their, their, their, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th. And, to, to, th. So, to, to, toge, togu. togu. So, togu. So, togu. So, the. So, to, the, th. So and being like, I got to get this off my chest. So for me, that was like, really for our whole team,

it was like, let's do that sort of stuff. And Fox Plains became, Desi has to grab her phone and start talking immediately about what she just heard Janine Piros say to Sean Hannity, because this is out of this world. I remember there was one night. I was one one one. I. I. I was one. I. I was one. I. I. I was one. I. I. I was one. I. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I. I was a. I was. I was. I was. I was a. I was. I was a. I was, th. that. that. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. th debate and it was this like, there was this conspiracy theory about how Joe Biden had an earpiece, he was getting transmitted. There was like a, this was a Fox News, this was a right-wing conspiracy theory. Yes, he was getting the answers. Fed the answers, right? Because everyone was getting, fed the answers. Fed the answers. the answer. to answers. to answers. to answers. to to to to the answer. to the answer. to to the answer. the answer. to the answer. to the answer. the answer. the answer. the answer. the answer. the answer. th. the answer. thoome. thoome. tho. the answer the answer the answer the answer the answer the answer the answer the answer the answer the answer the answer the answer the answer the answer the answer the answer the answer the answer the answer the answer the answer the answer. He's the answer. He's the answer. He's, the answer. He's, the answer. He's, the answer. He? He? He? He's, the answer. He's, the answer. He's, the answer. the answer. the answer. the answer. the answer. to the answer. the answer. to to to to too. the too. the th. the the the the thoooo. the the the the the the the the the answer exactly what, that's what you need to get the edge in a presidential debate. And like, Sean Hannity, or someone, someone was like pushing

this on Fox News. The Trump campaign was pushing it. Brett Bear was even like, yeah, that's a really interesting thing. And so like, I remember I grabbed my phone and I filmed myself doing like, a foxplains like proof of concept? And I was like, is anyone talking about the earpiece? And I like, I remember getting down on my knee. And I was like, it's coming from Colin Kappernick, kneeling, raising his fist to transmit the signal. And then like, sent that over to Desi. And like, Desi just like did it and like did her own thing. And like, we sent this like preparation like went into it was just like this is like happening right now let's get it out before the debate and we did

Joe Biden is wearing an earpiece how can you tell because one earpiece is bigger than the other the earpiece is making it bigger that's a cover that's why he wears the mask to cover it up it's a cover. the the that the that that that's the that's that's that's that's that's the that's the that's that's that's the that's that's the that's that's the that's the that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's to to to that's that's that's that's that's that's that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the they. I I I's they. they. they. the they. that's that's that's the I I's cover up. Where's the earpiece getting the transmission from? Colin Kappernick. He's on his knee with his fist up to transmit the signal. To me that was kind of the benefit of working from home and embracing that sort of phone culture which has like just shoved all of this like people screaming and yelling into our faces and instead of returning to a more civilized discourse, we were like, let's make it louder and embrace it. Yeah, I think it's one of those segments, like Roy, we've had to adapt to shooting from home.

And so many of the pieces, you feel like, oh, I'm missing something because I'm not out in the world, or we don't have a professional cinematographer to get dynamic shots, and you feel like you kind of miss a little s s s s s s s s s, thi thi to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to thi to thi to thi thi to thi thi thi thi thi thi to thi to to to to to thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. th. thi. thi. the, the, to to toeeeeeeeeea. toeea. toeeea. to, toea. toea. toea. toea. to th shots and you feel like you kind of miss a little something, but this one in particular almost feels like the messiness of the camera work and getting a little too close sometimes and getting all hopped up actually works to feed the emotion of it because it's like I had to get this off my chest. I don't have enough time to get into a professional studio and share this. I've got to grab my phone right now. So, yeah. Do you remember, there was one we were doing, I don't remember which one it was, but like, you got really into the like getting close to the camera and you were like, should I do do one that's closer?

Should I do one that's closer? Like, it basically got you. how many Cuomo's are there? Or whatever. But it's like all you can see is her face. And it's like, yeah, no, I've watched like internet videos of people and like, that's kind of what it is. So. Yeah, yeah. My, our poor viewers have gotten way too close into my mouth. They probably know more information than my own dentist about the health of my teeth. I apologize for that. Who was the one the one the one the one the one the one the one the one that that one the one that one that one that one that one that one that that one that one that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that. that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that that that th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the. the. the. thooooome. I apologize for that. Who was the one that said Major League,

MLB is just BLM backwards? Yeah, Eric, so like, yeah, we did a Fox Plains with Desi where she said, it's just when Major League Baseball took the All-Star game away from Georgia because of their voter suppression law. And Desi's line was, if you think about it, MLB is just BLM backwards. I know three things. One, conservatives are pro-business. Two, conservatives are pro-freedom of speech. And three, conservatives need to destroy these businesses for opening their

fucking mouths. You thought Major Biden was bad for this country. Major League Baseball move the all-star game out of Atlanta. MLB is just BLM. And like a week later, we were watching Eric Bowling, who technically is a Fox Emeritus, okay, for the fact checkers out there, for the Daniel Dale's out there, for the Glenn Kessler's out there, but he did used to work at Fox, and now he's like at Newsmax. So he said, when you think about it, MLB is really BLM backwards. MLB is really BLM backwards. MLB is backwards for BLM. And we were like, did we do this? Or are we so in the mind of these psychos

that they made the connection that we thought was dumb, and they were like, this is genius? Is there a joke that you think is too ridiculous now, Desi, where you look at it and you just go, no, that, that's, that's a good one. Like, that was one of them. At the time I was like, oh, this is insane. And then come to find out, he said it. So yeah, I guess not.

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work in a narrative that was like slowly every episode another member of Desi's family leaves. So it's very clear this woman has driven her whole family away. Yeah, she's got problems. Do you, and here, and here, and here, and here, and here, and here, and here, and here, and here, and here, and here, and here, and here, and here, and here, and here, and here, and here, and here, and here, and here, and here, and here, and here, and here, th. And here, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the, the, the, the, the, the the the the the the th. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the the. the the. the the the. the. the the. the. th. you, and here's the thing that I think a lot of the correspondence deal with from time to time on the show is the real world interactions with people after you've done a particular piece, like I've done CP time enough to where older black women will come, thank you baby for doing the history. Yeah, that people, a lot of people didn't know about that black person. That's the hidden history. Do you get more, I'm trying to think of a polite way to ask you this year. Is it daily show fans who get it, or do you run into more Fox fans who don't and think you're on the team, so to speak.

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We'll say with this one in particular, it's hard to tell because this came about during the pandemic. So I have not left my house because the show keeps making me binge watch Fox News. And we've been on lockdown. No, but I think that this is one that most of the feedback has been people who, like, have watched enough Fox News to know that it's not for them. And they appreciate that we captured something that it feels like Fox sort of runs on and I will also say that I have family members that are avid Fox News watchers and it's the one segment that they have not brought up to me so it's probably a reason for that.

They were like she's getting too close to the secret. We can't engage with her. Yo, that is, we need to, we need to do a separate beyond the scenes of just correspondence interactions with their family members. Oh yeah. Yeah, just at family reunions. It would be great if the people in your family who do watch Fox end up talking you like at Thanksgiving or whatever and they're like, bythe way have you heard that MLB is just BLM backwards and you're like I did that that was me that was a fake one after the break we're gonna get a much more qualified journalist in here we're gonna speak with Oliver Darcy from CNN this is beyond the scenes

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With the biggest guest. Please to be joined by Cowboys owner Jerry Jones. Well, first of all you guys have a great reputation. The best analysis and plenty of opinion. If the NFL wants to get their season and they've got to stop testing players vaccinated or unvaccinated. To the state of Pennsylvania, you just suck. I'm Jonathan Hutton. Join me, Paul Kuharski, Chad Withrow, and our entire Outkick 360 on Spotify today. I'm excited now to bring on a guest who actually does this in a more professional capacity. No disrespect

to you Desi whatsoever. None. None. I take a ta. He covers politics. He is a senior media reporter for CNN and the program that he does now, you know, reliable sources where they really take a deeper look into what's going on with a lot of the same channels that Matt that you and Desi watch for research. Oliver, welcome to be on the scenes. Thank you. Now you regularly as a professional journalist, can I call you that? I know a lot of people try to dodge that title now. You can call me that. You're not scared. You're not scared. You're not scared to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the same the same the. the same the same the same the same the same the same the same the same the same the same the same the same the same the same the same the same the same the same the same the same the same the same the same the same the same the same the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the theou theou theou theou theou. thean thean thean thean thou. thean thean. thou. thean thean. thean. thean. thean. thetry to dodge that title now. No, you can call me that. You're not scared? You're not scared to be in proud and open journalists in these challenging times.

Proud and open journalist. Okay. You all cover a lot of the misinformation and conspiracy theories that bounce around out there. When did that turn... Let's go back in history with you first when you used to work with Glenn Beck over at the Blaze where you kind of swam in those waters professionally and then eventually you got over to CNN and then you were now the guy who takes a look back at that same environment.

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And so I made a jump over to a business insider, now I'm at CNN. But it has given me an interesting perspective because I am very familiar with a lot of the key players in the conservative news media. I know a lot of them still. I talked to them and it's allowed me, I think, to really succeed on this beat. When you see something like, you know, Desi of course is playing a character. Yeah. But when you see people in the real world out there, you know, I won't say quite tinfoil hat with it with their beliefs, but when

you see people, you know, basically going, yeah, the vaccine and lizard people, and you know, Hillary's emails and Joe Biden's son sold me crack last night. Like when you when you see that type of stuff what does it make you feel with regards to what conservative media has become? Well Desi's segments are very funny until you realize that there are so many people who actually have those views and have have been told these things and believe them. And so I think it's, you know, it's incredibly alarming. And I don't know how we actually solve this problem because there are these incentives,

whether it's Facebook or social media, or just, you know, Fox News, or talk radio, or whatever it is. There are these incentives to put these things out there to mislead other people to give them what they want, the feel-good content, the red meat that really fires at the base. And I'm not really sure how we get out of it. So when I see people on, Jordan Clapper, for instance, went to that New York City anti-vacene rally recently. It's funny.

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they're all wearing masks, right? The New York Post, as they put out these a-mask things and say, you guys should repeal your mask mandates, they're required to wear masks at the office. And so when they they they they they they they they they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're thoe thiii thiore thiore thir thir thir thir thoes thoes they're they're thoes thrower thease thoes.. thoes. they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're th..... thoes thoes thoes their their their their their their thoes. thoes. thoes. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. theananananananananananananananananananto thro thro thro thro thro thro thro throo throooo theanananananananananan. Oliver you can probably even connect A to B on some of these things because on Fox they talk about like do we really think the vaccine is safe? It might give you fertility problems. Six months down the road who knows and then the people in the Clepper segment are saying the exact same things. So you know where they're getting this and there's nothe. There's no longer this like thi. It's like like th. It's like th. It's the th. It's thi. It's thi. It's the thi. I's thi. thi. thi. their. thi. thi. their. their. thi. their thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. their their their their th. their th. th. th. the the the th. th. th. the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. thi. the. is it bad that Fox is doing this or is it just kind of fun? It's like, no, it's actually horrible. These people are absorbing it and repeating it out immediately. From your perspective, that must be like,

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at least make the argument that Facebook is doing something to kind of clean up their platform, whereas Fox is like intentionally profiting off of anti-vaccine rhetoric, right? Like, they are doing some really, really terrible things to society, and they actually end up getting a pass a lot of the time. It's really strange. I agree with you about that that that that that that that that that that Facebook that Facebook that Facebook that Facebook that Facebook that Facebook that Facebook that Facebook that Facebook that Facebook that Facebook that Facebook that Facebook that Facebook that Facebook. that Facebook that Facebook. that Facebook that Facebook. that Facebook. that Facebook is something is something is something is something is that's that's thiii-Fi-Fi-Fi-Fi-Fi-Fi-Fi-Fi-Fi-Fi-Fi-Fi-Fi-Fi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi th is is is is th is th is th is th is th is thi thi thi thi thi thi is thi is doing thi is doing thi is doing thi is doing thi is doing thi is doing thi is doing thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii is doing is doing is doing thi is doing thi is th society and they actually end up getting a pass a lot of the time. It's really strange. I agree with you about that, yeah. Desi, when we, when Oliver is talking about, you know, like the people that Klepper are talking to who are obviously drinking the Kool-Aid that's being served up at these right-winged

spots, is there a smidge of sympathy for people who have bought this horse. The people that you parody, is there any sympathy in that? Or is it just what they believe and we just gotta get the jokes? No, I think I have a lot of empathy for people who are getting all of their information from this one source that is peddling lies and untruths and people believe everything that they say. And in my opinion, one of the scariest things about Fox News is that they have a way of making you feel like it is the only reliable source of information and you cannot trust anywhere else. And that's, that's scary. I mean, Oliver, you can speak to this else. And that's scary.

I mean, Oliver, you can speak to this better bit like that. Well, CNN does it too. CNN, they even hired James Earl Jones to make it feel like it's your father. This is CNN. I'll beat your ass if I get you listening to another network. It's always a... Every news network is a deep voice guy. Oliver, where do you think this politically? I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I can't th. I can't th. I can't th. I can't to tr. I can't tr. I can't tr. I can't trust. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I can. I can. I can. I can. I can. I can. I can. I can. I can. I can. I can. I can. I can. I can. I can. I can. I can. I can. I can. I can. I to to to to tr. I tr. I tr. I tr. I tr. I tr. I'll tr. I'll tr. I tr. I tr. I tr. I tr. I tr. I tr. tr. I tr. tr. I tr. I tr. I a... Every news network is a deep voice guy. Oliver, where do you think this political,

I'll tell you where I think, and you tell me if I'm right or wrong. The politicization of the news and like this debate culture, to me, in Negrant, I know you watched this show too. I think it all goes back to debate culture on ESPN. like like like like like like like like the the the the the the the the their their their their th, I th, I th, I th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, I th, I th, I that, I tho, th, I tho, that, tho, tho, tho, tho, I'm tho, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll th., I'll th., I'll th. I'll tho, I'll tho, tho, tho, tho, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, tell, tell, tell, tell, that, that, that, that, that, that, mid to late 90s, where I felt like, if I'm not mistaken, I feel like sports kind of did, there was crossfire and Tucker Carlson and whatnot, but James Carvel, but I really feel like this, this era where an opinion is ratings, but somewhere along the way we, the viewer, mistake opinions for facts and research.

Well, I think you need to separate, for one, opinions with propaganda, right? Like, we know, like, I think it's fine. If Fox wants to have the conservative, you know, a person who's, you know, giving their opinion on the news and it's based in fact, I think that's, that's, otally fine. That's part of a healthy political system. You know, you hear the conservative, maybe you hear the liberal, you hear someone else, and you make you up your mind. The issue here is that they're not doing that, right? They're just inventing things out of thin air that support their guy. It's a sustained propaganda effort on behalf of these people to keep them watching this channel. And so I think that's the issue. They're not playing by any facts or any rules.

They're just out there. It's really a truth versus fiction sort of thing. So I think maybe the cable news culture may have been born out of ESPN. And I, you know, cable news was around long before, you know, I started covering it. But the new phenomenon where Fox is just totally detached from reality, I think, I'm not really sure where that comes from. Maybe Matt has some ideas, but it's new. That's new within the last, I think, even five years.

Yeah, I definitely think the complete 100% false propaganda stuff came right at the end of like the second half of the Trump campaign basically after he got the nomination and then it became like oh none of these allegations about him a sexually assaulting women are true. Obviously that's not true. This man is perfect and once you cross that line it's like cool everything is everything is, everything that's true is now false. It's surreal to see it like become, I know that I can turn on Fox at any point between 7 and 10 p.m. and I won't hear something true. And that's absolutely

crazy because even six years ago, you could turn it on and hear something that was like bad, but you weren't guaranteed to get something that wasn't true. On the cable news culture thing, I know this is like, you know, this is part of your home too, but like, there's a lot of this element, I think what Roy was talking about with like going back and forth like a sport show, you know, NBC has meet the press, they have these panels, like Rich Lowry is on there, like, that's not thian...... NBC, NBC, NBC, NBC, NBC, thi, thi, thi, thi, th, thi, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, th. Like, th. Like, th. Like, th. Like, th. And, th. Like, th. Like, th. And, th. Like, th. Like, th. Like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like is on there, like, that's not great. ABC has Sarah, Isger, and Chris Christie. That's not great. Like, CNN hired Kaylee McEnany. Those, like, these people were, were not good people, but they were allowed, they were getting paid to essentially say things that were not true.

And I'm not, I don't want to put you on the spot by saying, ah, it was bad that we did that. I'm just pointing out, there is a problem with, as you said, not separating opinion versus propaganda. It's totally fine to have someone a conservative on a news channel and be like, I actually think we should privatize blank, and then the liberal says, actually it's more efficient if we run it like this and let the viewer decide. That does not exist. There is no channel that does that accurately that accurately that accurately that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that thiia That does not exist. There is no channel that does that accurately right now because the Republican Party has moved all the way into misinformation and propaganda. So all of those people who are bad actors are now when they're presented as people who just have opinion,

that's misleading and they should be labeled as completely false. None of this is true. Why are they even here in first place? So So then to that point, Matt, and Desi, you can chime in here if you like as well. If the Republican Party has decided to entrench themselves and a lot of lies for the sake of popularity and staying connected to the base or in Fox News' case to keep the ratings going, you got to sell with the people, you got to show people what they're buying and they want, right now right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right. they're they're they're right now they won't lie so you show them lies. The other side of that coin though is as a news organization. If you're ABC or NBC or CNN, do you just not have anyone on from that side of the line? If most of the popular people that are going to be bringing ratings are also bringing lies,

is it, I can't believe I'm saying this, is it fair and balanced? Like 10 lawyers running into your house to serve you season to six? Is it fair and morally equitable? Ha ha, fuck you lawyers. Is it fair and balance to do that, or do you just have on the Republicans, who are still more centrist for the sake of having a balanced newscast, knowing that it won't get you the same ratings, and then your show could get canceled.

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questioning from like Jake Tapper, right? Like when he's doing an interview and and their narrative just falls apart, like that's that's very valuable and I think to demonstrate to others that Pamela Brown. Yeah, Pamela Brown? Senator, President Trump told Bob Woodward the first week of February that he knew the coronavirus could be spread through the air and that it was more deadly than the flu. But two weeks later he said at a rally that coronavirus was the Democrats new hoax. Is that acceptable to you? Is that misleading the public? You're talking about the the Woodward book? Yes, the Woodward book.

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Didn't the public, didn't the citizens in your home state of Louisiana deserve to know that as well so that they could change their behavior appropriately to protect themselves? Well number one, Pamela, I'm not going to repeat what I just said, but I, but th.. the their, but their their their their their their their to their to their to their to to to to their their to to to their to to to to to to to to to to to to to their their to to to to to to to their, their, their. their, their. their, their, their, their, their. their. their. their. their, their. their. their. their. their. their their their their their their their their their their their their to their to to to to to to toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. to to to to they could change their behavior appropriately to protect themselves? Well, number one, Pamela, I'm not going to repeat what I just said, but all I can tell you is what my personal experience has been. Number two, let me say a word about this infatuation in Washington with who said what to whom. I learned pretty quickly up here. No, Senator, I'm sorry. I'm not going to let you do this. Okay, this is, I understand there's so much politics right now. We're two months away from an election, but this is life and death.

I think that's the proper way to do these things is not to maybe, you know, just allow them to come on and just share a point of view necessarily that's factually inaccurate or not tethered to reality, but to actually challenge them. I do think that we've seen, you know, and I don't like making general remarks or wide sweeping remarks, but I do think generally the news media has moved away from having, you know, the Kaylee's on, and if they are going to have them on, really putting them, you know, putting what they're saying under the microscope. It's interesting, two days ago, or, yeah, two days ago,

Nikki Haley was on Face the Nation, didn't get any pushback about anything she was saying about Afghanistan, even though it was, a lot of it was in bad faith. But I do, I do see your point. I think there are no longer Kaylee McEnany's getting paid by cable news networks. I think that's true. The point about pushing back is like so important because how many people can actually do that? Like in reality, I'll give you Jake Tapper, Pamela Brown. I'll give you Jonathan Swan.

I'll give you, I think Metti Hassan's really good. I mean, are there that many people who are, Terry Moran had a good interview with Paris DeNard on ABC where Paris would, Paris Denard is a Trump supporter, would not say that Trump lost the election and Terry for four minutes was like just say it, just say Joe Biden won and Terry Moran was like, Joe Biden is the, Roy, you, we did a video about this, you remember this, right? Yeah, like, it's painful. Why can't Republicans admit that Trump was? Joe Biden legitimately won the 2020 election.

And yet a strange phenomenon has arisen from the mist. Republican mouths are unable to formulate these words. Watch this. Is it a legitimate election under our constitution and laws? Yes or no? Joe Biden is the president. The election was not stolen, correct? Look, Joe Biden's the president.

Republicans seem to know that Joe Biden is the president, but not how that happened. Do they think a store delivered Joe Biden to the White House? Do they think a stored delivered Joe Biden to the White House? Do they think he tunneled into the White House? Like some sort of reverse shawl-shank. Do Republicans believe in an immaculate inauguration? Yeah. And so like those that's good questioning. Those people should be commended and just held up as examples of how to interview these people, but the reality is that like most people can't do that, or they choose not to do that. And I think the difference between

the debate of should you have these people on versus leaving them off comes down to, are you going to have them on with people who know how to treat them? And I don't think there's more than six people who can actually do that. So that creates this whole of just bad interviews. On the other side of the break, I want to get into that a little bit more with you, Oliver and Desi. Oliver, I need you to help me and Desi on how we can stop misinformation. First, what can news media outlets do to stop the spread of misinformation, but more importantly, how can we stop the spread of misinformation at the Thanksgiving table?

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Like it is torture to watch Fox News. It legitimately is. Zero. 30.30. It takes shit going on. Will we talk about the misinformation, you know, Oliver, before the break, Negrin was talking about, you know, unique reporters that are going to give that pushback. Is that the only thing that can help stop this misinformation? I mean, there are a lot of things that can help stop this misinformation.

I think there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there are there are there are there are there are there are there are there are there are there are there are there are a there are a there are a there are a lot there are a lot there are a there are a there are a there are a there are a there are a there are a there are a there are a there are a there are a there are a there are a there are a there are a there are a there are a there are a there are a there are a there are a there are a there are a there are a there are a there are a there are a there are a there are a lot there are a lot there are a lot there are a lot there are a lot th are a lot th are a stop this misinformation. I think it really comes down to large companies enabling this. And so it's difficult to tackle because there's not just one avenue that misinformation is spreading on. So you have a talk radio avenue, which is, it's totally undercover. There are so many people who listen to talk radio for hours and hours a day, and you have hosts that most people haven't heard of who are spreading lies across the country and they're supported by companies like Premier Radio Networks and we just never talk about Premier Radio Networks and how they allow for this spread of misinformation

and conspiracy theories and they profit off of it. So there's there's that avenue. Then there's, you know, companies, I asked to companies at the beginning of the year, like Comcast, like AT, like AT, like AT, like AT, like AT, like AT, like AT, like AT, like AT, like AT, like AT, like AT, like AT, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, and their, and their, and their, and their, their, their, and their, their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the year, like Comcast, like AT&T, my employer, technically, you know, like Dish, why do you carry channels like OAN? Why do you carry channels that spread vaccine conspiracy theories, election conspiracy theories? And so you have those guys, you know, to some extent responsible for beaming these channels into the homes of millions of people across the country? And then th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the th. th. th. the, th. th. the, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, they, they, their, thi, their, their, their, their, their, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, tha. And, tha.. And, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, their. And, their, they. And, the. And, te. And, te. And, tha. And, tha. And, tha. And, tha. And, tha. And, tha. And, tha. And, tha. And, they you know, to some extent responsible for beaming these channels into the homes of millions of people across the country. And then you obviously have social media platforms which incentivize people to spread these lies by giving them, you know, if the more red meaty throughout there, the more engagement you get and the more your profile builds, right? And so there are so many different issues here when we talk about the spread of this stuff, there are a lot of directions to go in it. And that really actually makes me

extremely pessimistic in terms of solving this. I saw a tweet from Jason Abruzzi, who's another media reporter at NBC. His tweet was like, it's almost impossible to talk to someone who doesn't have a family member who's been affected by misinformation at this point. And I think that over the past like six months, that has become clear to so many people that there is someone out there in your family or in other people's families, like in a way that is more extreme than ever because of what Oliver was just saying, talk radio is like this thing that most of us don't even think is real because we don't drive in New York and so and we're not Republican so we don't have

that on it hits millions of people and it's way worse than what's on Fox it's completely unchecked and there's no accountability. When I used to do road trips as a stand-up comedian and I would do like a midnight to five a.m back to Birmingham. That shit is the Wild West. Like alien shows, there's psychic shows, and then there's politics somehow woven into all of that. Desi, how do we connect with the family members that are being, that are kind of buying into this stuff? What's your move? I, it's, I don't have the answer for that are means that are kind of buying into this stuff. What's your move? I, it's, I don't have the answer for that.

I wish I did. I find myself in conversations that I wish I didn't start and I find myself having like a really enlightening conversation sometimes with family members who have a different set of beliefs. Fortunately, most of my family members who have a different set of beliefs. Fortunately, most of my family members who are Republican and have watched Fox News or do watch Fox News are of the belief that the vaccine works and COVID is real and they're taking it seriously. So thank God for that. But like, yeah, I try to lead with trying to have an understanding of where they're coming from.

And it's really hard to get on the same page with someone who just believes the information that they're being told and they're only trusting one source. If you, if you're only getting your information from one source and everyone else is going to, and everyone else is the to to to to to to to to to lead to lead to lead to lead to lead to lead to lead to lead to lead to lead to lead to lead to lead to lead to lead to lead to lead to lead their to lead, their to lead, their their to lead to lead their to lead to lead to lead to lead to lead with their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their try., try., try. try. try. try. try. try. try. try. try. try and try try try try try try try t they're being told and they're only trusting one source. If you if you're only getting your information from one source and everyone else is getting their information from somewhere else, you can't, you're dealing with a different set of facts. So until you can acknowledge that there's not much growth. That's an issue too because like if we're having a debate, right, we can agree that the New York Times is probably an authoritative outlet that establishes basic facts. The issue is that if we're having a debate with someone who watches Fox and listens to

talk radio, none of the authoritative outlets are going to have any sway with them. In fact, if CNN reports something, they will probably be conditioned to think, well, it's the opposite is true. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the o' their their their their their their their thoictiauoictioliolioliolioliolioliolioliolioliolioli. thi. thi. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the theyo.eau.eau.eau.au.eau.au.ea.a.a.a.a.a.a if CNN reports something, they will probably be conditioned to think, well, it's the opposite is true. And that's the issue. And this is actually where it would be helpful if there was a trusted conservative news organization, right, that these people would understand and at least listen to. But sadly, there really isn't these days.

If the ones that were responsible have been holled out and they're just, you know, rightly and right. Yeah, because of the economics of it. And see, and that's the other part of it when we get into the corporate capitalistic part of media is that OAN has to one up Fox News if they're going to get their, like, they, not only are the Democrats lizards, but they're venomous lizards. Like they have to... Whoa, here at Fox, we don't say they have venom in their lizard tongues, okay?

We will not go that far. Shut up, Sean Hannity. You know that if you get bitten by Gen Saki, you will die in in in in in in six in six in six in six in six in six in six in six in six in six in six in six, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the to to to to to to to to to to the the the to to to to to to to to tooom. tooom. their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their. their, their. their, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. I. I. I. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the. thea. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. the the th get bitten by Gen Saki, you will die in six to nine days from the venom that comes out of her teeth. There is no profitability and sensibility in media right now, at least not from the right. And I think that's probably one of the bigger issues. Oliver, have you as much as you are willing to share, what are your interactions like with the family from then to now in terms of your affiliations with media, the types of stories that you cover, do you get family members that are like put, are you the one pulling family members to

the side or you are you the one that gets pulled to the side? You know, actually my family is not very political. So I actually, you know, they just think it's cool that they have someone who's on CNN or wherever it was, you know, so that that's the good news, but I do know a lot of people who who have been sucked into this, you know, alternate universe and it's, I mean, it's really difficult to have conversations about politics and even now, you know, it's expanding beyond politics because this is really a lifestyle choice. and so it can be extremely difficult to just see eye to eye on basic things at this point and I wish there was a solution I wish that

was an antidote or a vaccine for this stuff but they probably wouldn't take it anyway. They wouldn't take it anyway exactly. I don't know I don't know what the answers are. I feel like I'm I'm always the most pessimistic pessim pessim pessim pessim pessim pessim pessim pessim pessim pessim pessim pessim pessim pessim pessim pessim pessim pessim pessim pessim pessim pessim pessim pessim pessim pessim pessim pessim pessimist the most the most the most the most the most the most the most the most the the the the the the the the the th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I thi th. I'm thi. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. I don't know what the answers are. I feel like I'm always the most pessimistic person in the room because I think this stuff is really destroying American society and I watch it every day. Matt watches it every day. I don't know if you watch it every day. I don't know if you watch it every day. But- I don't.

I have a child. I watch Paul the show. Well, it's when you watch it every day and you know that these people are peddling, you know, total bullshit, like it is, it is very, very aggravating. I mean, and there's only so many media reporters out there like that, like quite frankly, we cover Washington, D.C. And we hold those people to account a lot more than we hold the Fox Newses and the Rupert Murdox to account. And I think that I've been saying, I've thu, I've thuii, I've thui, I've thui, I've thi, I've thi, I've thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, I've thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thu, thu, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, tho, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu-a, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, th. th. th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, that, that, that, thi, thi, th we hold the Fox Newses and the Rupert the Murdoch's to account. And I think that I've been saying that needs to change. Like that that is that just outdated. The Rupert Murdoch has so much more power than some random congressman like Marjorie Taylor Green like we need to be focusing a lot of the scrutiny on the people who are actually controlling the dialogue and incentivizing the Marjorie ta ta ta ta ta ta ta toe the ta ta the. ta the ta ta toe the ta ta the the people who are actually controlling the dialogue and incentivizing the Marjor Taylor Greens versus just focusing on the surface issues.

We have a clip of Fox News personalities saying some horrible things about refugees just in the past few days that I feel like is very similar to how Oliver is describing, like watching this stuff is like so enraging. Is it really our responsibility to welcome thousands of potentially unvetted refugees from Afghanistan? It is extraordinarily expensive to resettle a refugee in the United States. Resettling in America is not about solving a humanitarian crisis, it's about accomplishing an ideological objective to change America. If history is any guide and it's always a guide, we will see many refugees from Afghanistan resettle in our country in coming months, probably in your neighborhood.

And over the next decade, that number may swell to the millions. So first we invade and then we're invaded. It is always the same. I feel like that's such a perfect example of like white supremacy on Fox News that we do watch every day and like it's hard to just watch it and be like got it. Okay we are invaded, uh-huh, got it. Why is this our responsibility? Got it. Like when you watch it, you're like, ah, there are so many people who believe this.

This is so like, it's truly not enjoyable to do. There's a couple of clips just then just made me scared of the refugees. I was like, oh my goodness. How much does it cost? That's the thing, like, the bone-headed devil, man? If you were to watch, like, if you took a normal person, right, and someone who's smart and enapped, like if you were to force them, to force to force to force to force, to force, to force, to force, to, their, their, their, to, the, the, to, to, th. th. to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, thi, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the the the the the the the their, their, their, their, their, their, their, to, to, to, to, to, to, too, too, too, too, tooome, to, too, too, too, to, toe, to, to, tooretically does, to just only watch this stuff and to only consume this kind of content. Like, it is very likely that they will start believing this stuff. Like, it's not, it's very likely.

And they can be a smart person outside of politics. They might be like an engineer, for instance, and really good math, but when they're consuming this political stuff, like, you could see how the math works there and that's because they sound so sure of themselves yeah like especially the way that Tucker is like if history is any guide and it always is and it always is like well that's kind of that's true right to I guess yeah that's a that's always a favorite thing to do just to say something and it always is and it always is and I was is and I and I and I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I is is is is is is is and I I I I I was is I was like is I th is I was like is I th is I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm right I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm right is I'm I'm right is I'm right is I'm I'm I'm I th is is is is is is is I th is I th is is is I th is is I th is I th is I th is is is I th is is is I th is is is I I I I I I I I I I th is is is is is is is is is I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I th is always is always is always is always is always is always is I th is I th is always is I'm always is I'm th is I'm th is I'm th th th th th th th th th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm the the the the the the the always is. And I write about this, yes, of course. They also like are putting all of this like, all of this false patriotism around it in like the worst way, which obviously since 9-11 has been like kind of like slowly throwing more flags in the background and everywhere, but it makes you think like if you disagree

with this, you're like kind of un-American and that gets the people that Oliver's talking about these like people who maybe don't watch a lot of news all the time if they watch it, they're like, why would they be saying that if they were not patriotic? Like, that's the, that's how you get those people in the middle or people just who aren't super aware. What people maybe don't realize is that like the Fox News prime time line up is so much so much so much so much so much so much so much so much so much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much that it is so much much much much much much much much much that it is so much much much much that it is so much much much much that it is so much much much much much that it is so much much much more that it is so much much much much much much much much much much much much much much more that it is so much much much much much much much much much that is so much much much much much much much that it is so much that it is so much that it is so much that it is so much that it is so much that it is so much that it is so much that it is so much that it is so much that it is so much... that it was like 10 years ago. Like, you know, outside of what you think about Bill O'Reilly, like he was like not Tucker Carlson. Like Tucker Carlson is like mainlining, you know, talking points basically from Info Wars. Like, this stuff used to be relegated

to really far, weird corners of the internet, and now it's being sent to millions of Americans night on Fox. And I just think people don't maybe understand that. Like the Fox News we're talking about now is so much different than the Fox News from 10 years ago. What makes it so addictive for people? Because I know people who will plan their entire day around Fox News programming. Why do people get sucked in the way that they do unlike other news platforms? Yeah, I mean, I like Dun Lemon,, but I'm not like, hey, I'll see y'all later, I gotta get home. Yeah, yeah. It's lemon time. Well, honey, get the DPR.

I think if you've been told the country is like going to hell and there are people, you know, scary people coming to invade the country, you know, and you believe this stuff, which they've been conditioned to believe this stuff over hours and hours and days of programming, weeks and years of listening to folks like this, like, you think that the situation is very dire and you want to hear a truth universe where you need to know the truth and Tucker is the only one delivering the truth and it's like an extremely urgent situation. And that's sort of what it's like on Fox, right? That's exactly what I was going to bring up a little earlier that in talking to other

family members that I don't see out of eye on politically, what I've often found is the consistent, the consistent, you know, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, theateat, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the the, the the the the the the thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thin, thri, thri, thri.ean, thriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii.eeeeeeeeeeee, their, the consistent, you know, thread between all of them is some degree of fear and self-preservation. So I feel like my life is not where it needs to be and I feel like this politician or this network has the solutions that will make some of my problems go away. So that's what I'm going to lock in on and anything that you're talking about, even if it's better for mankind, it might not be good for me personally. So because of that, screw everybody else and I'm gonna lock in and watch this show.

Like my family, you know, I have people that, you know, they were working well through the pandemic. And it was something that, you know, we didn't always, my uncle, this sounds crazy, my uncle was still openly dating him. My uncle is vaccinated now and he wear a mask. And I'm like, dude, you can't just be out dating on a regular, this is like last summer. Just going on date. I'm like, these are literal strangers.

And a date is intimate to which my uncle said, and I quote, I wear a mask. But if we have th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, it was, it was, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. It was, was, was, th. It was, th th th th th th th th th th th th. It was something was something was something was something was something was something was something was something was that, that, that, that that that that that that that that that that that that th a mask but if we have sex I'm taking it off. We could talk about that on a separate podcast. Delta was originally a sex position which is what we're finding. We could go on about this all day but I want to thank you Oliver for coming on and being a part of this. Thank you so much and And I will set the DVR for reliable sources on CNN and, damn it, it is Oliver Time, Nacron. I'm excited to see that. Thank you. As always, Matt, thank you and Desi, thank you as well.

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