The Daily Show: Ears Edition - Discrimination in the Adult Entertainment Industry - Beyond the Scenes

Episode Date: December 28, 2022

The porn industry and sex work is often stigmatized, but adult performers face racism, discrimination, and pay disparities within the industry. Host Roy Wood Jr. sits down with Daily Show segment director Stacey Angeles, and adult entertainers and co-creators of the adult film production company, Royal Fetish Films, Jet Setting Jasmine and King Noire to discuss how the porn industry perpetuates racist stereotypes and capitalizes on racist film titles, how consumers can hold companies accountable, and what constitutes a sexual “fantasy.” Beyond the Scenes is a podcast from The Daily Show. Check out more episodes wherever you get your podcasts or YouTube.com/TheDailyShowSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

You're listening to Comedy Central. Hey, it's Roywood Jr. And up next is an episode of the Daily Show Podcast Beyond the Scenes. This week, we're taking a look at racism in the adult entertainment industry with Daily Show segment director Stacey Angeliz and adult entertainers and co-creators of the adult film company Royal Fetish Films, Jet Setting Jasmine and King Noir. We're discussing how the porn industry perpetuates racist stereotypes and capitalizes on racist film titles, how consumers can hold companies accountable, and what constitutes

a sexual fantasy. Have a listen. Hey, welcome to Beyond the Scenes, the podcast that goes deeper into segments and topics that originally aired on the Daily Show. This is what you got to think about this podcast as. This podcast is like a secret family recipe. We got all the ingredients to make that homemade dish that only your mama knows how to make and she refuses to write it down or pass it on to anybody because she don't want you to be happy after she the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi. thi. We's thi. We's thi. We's thi. We's thi. We'll thi. We'll thi. We's thi. We'll thi. We'll the the. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's the. It's the. It's their their their their their the make that homemade dish that only your mama knows how to make and she refuses to write it down or pass it on to anybody because she don't want y'all to be happy after she dies.

You could really do the recipe justice but you know but your mama be hating but it is what it is. So yeah, that's what this podcast is. I'm Roywood Jr. and today we're talking about a segment we filmed back in 2016 that asked a very important question. It's the porn industry. Racist? Roll the clip. Well, no, not that porn clip.

Roll a daily show clip about porn. Don't roll a point. Trying to keep our license. There's definitely racism on the porn. This is the only business in the world where a female can say yay, to a person just because of color or skin. Black men are particularly portrayed in porn as being thugs, criminals. What do you black men do? It in my house? Black women are portrayed as extremely ghetto.

The titles are racist itself. The porn industry will take anything painful to black people and just add a pair of titties. Black wives matter, 12 inches of slave. Hell, they even remade roots. This is my son things. You, cute girls is completely killed around here. Anybody that would say that there isn't racism and porn really needs to be slapped out of. Today I'm joined by segment director Stacey Angelis who helped produce this piece.

Stacey, how you doing, old friend? I'm great, Roy. Always love talking about porn with you. Well, thank you. I'm happy to, you're the only person I talk about porn with at work as well. Hello HR, I know you're listening. Also joining us for this conversation are adult entertainers, life partners, and business partners. They're co-creators of the adult film production company, Royal Fetish Films. She is a

licensed clinical therapist. Please welcome Jet setting. How you doing, Madam Jett. Madam Jett? Madam Jett. Madam Jett? I like all those. Okay, we'll take it. And also, their partner. to to to the the the the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their. And, and the program. Jet setting. How you doing? Madam Jett? Doing the help? Madam Jasmine? I like all those. Okay, we'll take it. And also, your partner in business and your partner in real life, King, how you doing? Peace, piece. It's good to be here. Now, I'm excited to hear about some stories of racism, because you know that's what I love talking about as a black person. But first, Stacey, I know how this this this this this th. this th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to acey, I know how this piece kind of came to be, I don't remember who else was in on the inception of it, but I do remember Trayvon Free coming into my office. And he just goes, hey man, you want to meet Misty Stone? And I'm like, sure, why not? And keep in mind, up until that point,

the pieces I had done were police reform, the 20th anniversary of the Million Man March, and betting on the election. I was so happy just to do something that was just completely off the wall. And if I recall, you were relatively new to the show. So what did you think when they brought this piece to you? No, I was super new. And so it was gonna be my third piece. So I think there were five pieces floating around. And obviously I got drawn to porn because everybody loves porn.

Even people who say they don't watch porn, love porn. But then I saw the story and I was like, oh, this is a little bit darker because Trayvon sent me an article that was like, white women were demanding more pay to sleep with black men. And as disgusting as that was, it was shocking to me because, I don't know, maybe I'm naive, but when I think of the porn industry, I always think ofthat it would be something that had so many boundaries or whatever. And then when I was researching more on it, I saw that not only is it racist, they're like capitalizing on it with with the titles and the premises and it seemed like a narrative that they were kind of getting away with. And also, I never worked with Roy and so it was my first piece with Roy, so I was very excited about that. Yeah, but what did you find most surprising because I'll be thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi tho-m. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I was th. I was the. I was theeean. I'm thean. I'm thean. I'm thean. I'm thean. I thean. I'm thea. I was very excited about that. Yeah but what did you find most surprising because I'll be honest like when I was doing a little bit of the research going into you know for the for the listeners as a correspondent it's very important that you get the back story on the topic that you're researching because it makes

you a better a more adept interviewer when you're speaking with your seeing partners, if you will, for this particular, that we don't call them, see, but the people you're interviewing, you want to know what the hell you're talking about, right? And so I just remember seeing all of these random racist porn titles. We had a researcher, Devon Leri, who was with the show at the time, and she had to watch hours of porn and find the stereotype so that we could find the jokes in him. And so, like, that- Her desk was so popular. Like 12, 12 Years a Slave,

like, like, just parodies of just popular films. They were just like, yeah, let's flip that into a porn. So was there anything that shocked you about this shoot? I was going to mention Dev and Leary because she did all the research and she was a segment producer at the time, she's amazing. And I said, you know, we need to find a bunch of porn that has, that really banks on all those stereotypes of black people being criminals, breaking in, thugs, you know, whatever. And I was thinking she might have to dig deep, like babyed. And it was like, instant, she's like, oh my God,

I found one and the titles were not even, the titles aren't even subtle. They're just like, oh no, a black man broke into my house. Oh no, there's a black man inside my wife. Like, they were just, it was just, it was, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. thi, the, thi, thi, th. th. th. th. th. th. the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th.... th... th. th... th. th.. th. th. th. th. th. thin, thin, th. thin, th. to, toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. t. toe. toe. the, the, the, the, the, too much stuff. And then that was like insanely surprising to me. And then the second thing that was really surprising was hearing things white women were more willing to do over having sex with a black man, like triple anal penetration and prostitution and everything was shocking. Because like I was saying earlier, I really thought it was just open-minded industry, which maybe I am naive in that.

White women will demand more money just to take that black bone. White girls will ask for double, triple, the amount to do an interracial scene. This seems to be the only industry where a white person can just straight up go, I ain't working with no black people tod. You couldn't do that if you worked in a fast food spot. You couldn't just go, who's cooking? Stanley? Oh, baby, you got to pay me time and a half

if I'm gonna be working with these negroes. Jasmine, give me the first time you were on set, and you're not like when you're in the middle of racism, like when racism is in progress, and you just be sitting there talking to yourself, can you know what I'm talking about too? You just be like, am I experiencing racism? But this field, oh, okay, okay, okay, and action. He's like, wait a minute, did he just ask me to hold a chicken wing and a biscuit? Like, walk us through that first time that th, th, th, th, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, the, the, the, the, to, to, to, the, to, to, to, and, and, and, and, and, and, to, and, the, to, to, to, the, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the, the, the, the, the, the, you, you, you, you, you, the, you, you, the, the, the, the, the, and, and, the, the, and, the, and, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, togu, togu.a, togu.a, togu.a, tog.a, tog.a, tog.a, tog.a, tog.a, togu., both of you, walk us through that first time

that you discovered the level of discrimination that existed in the industry, or were you put up on game about that from the jump? So I think we're both gonna be able to give you a range of examples. And so for me, I was put up on, like, the reason why royal fetish films exists is because, as a as was like I can't I can't first of all I can't watch it and listen to you know I can't listen to the fake black scent I can't listen to

the stereotypical troops I can't listen to the chicken and biscuit jokes like it it became a form of entertainment for me that was like if I'm enjoying this is something wrong with me. And I'm not enjoying it, so why am I watching it? Now where am I gonna go to get inspiration to masturbate? So when King and I started working together, it was like, we need to create something that we could feel proud to watch.

And we were hearing this from, we're already doing sex education, hosting parties, and we were already hearing this. Like, I don't watch porn specifically from black women because we don't see ourselves reflected. It's degrading. It's hard to feel sexy when you are seeing the lowest representation of yourself and your people. So I already knew, like, whatever we created was gonna be something that I wanted to watch. Now, that being said, as we started to become more popular, at least for me, people were

starting to ask me to shoot for their company. And so I come from, in this industry from a privileged space where I can say, like, no, thank you. That sounds like I'm going to be sitting there in right off the back, if they're like, oh, well, the scene is going to call for you to do some tworking. Nothing's wrong with twoking, but you've never seen me twoark. Why would you be casting me for that? Like, I'm probably not the best person. Like, if you want to see great pointed that because I'm black and I do porn that that's what you're going to get, right? So, but I will say that what I have seen and I've worked enough corporate jobs and for government

agencies to know that sort of like baseline of racism that's there, I look at where the bottom line with the dollars roll, and I found that my white counterparts were getting money for hair for makeup and for costuming when they shoot and for me it was like make sure you bring your own makeup kit and you know we'll do something with your hair you know you have that style that's so edgy and bring a couple of some sitcoms I can relate to this okay bring a couple of outfits and we'll choose from what you have. And then later to find out that this is a line item where my white counterpart shoot. You know, so there are, there's that.

There's also, I have found, like even leading into this interview, I was like, let me just go, let me Google myself and the end word. And, thea, to th th th th th thin the the the thin the thin the the thin, thin, the thin, thin, they go, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, I, I, I thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thine, thine, thine, thin, th. th. thin, thin, th. th. thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, th.... to to to to to tooooo.. toe, to too. toe. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. So somebody had to put it out there. And a lot of my scenes have been licensed using words that I did not agree to. Now, since those are, a lot of those scenes are older ones, since we got even further up on game, we now make it a part of our contract that they cannot sell our scenes using any type of derogatory language. Because a lot of times you might be thinking that you're shooting

for a company that has your best interest in mind and that sees you as whoever you are. And then, you know, three times around, you're in Germany as black nigger girl twirks on big, black dick husband. Or definitely wouldn't say husband, criminal, you know? Yeah. Or ghetto women give blow jobs to payday power bill. Like it's always like why they need the money in the description. So I've heard I've never been to any of these sites. I said.

I think also with a lot of the times when it comes to just that open-mindedness of the industry that Stacey had just mentioned, it might be open-minded for the white performers like there's a certain level of freedom that they have even within their titles, but within the black titles there's this whole desperation that is also put with it as well. And for me, I have experienced all the way from the subtle racism to the, I've been thin, thin, thin, I thin, I thin, I thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, have experienced all the way from the subtle racism to the, I've been called Nigger on set before. You know, um, I was at a shoot house. Like in the scene? No, it wasn't even in the scene. I was, uh, just a random crew member. No, it was, it was another performer. She wanted to have sex with me off camera after our scene. And I was like, nah, I got things to do. I was actually. I was actually. I was actually. I was actually. I was to to to to call.. I was to call to call to call to call to call to call to call to call to call to call to call to call to call to call to call to call to call to call to call to call to call to call to call to call to call to have sex with me off camera after our scene. And I was like, nah, I got things to do.

I was actually about to call Jasmine and check in on the family. And she catches an attitude and messages, we had the same agent. And she messaged the agent, King is being an uppity nigger. To my agent, he won't have sex with me off camera. And you know what uppity mean? When they call you uppity, that just mean you're not doing what white folks want you to do. Yeah, they try to break you.

Exactly. The company tried to tell me that I should still film with her. I basically had to tell them nothing that I shot with her should ever be released I had them sign like I wrote some shit on a paper right there and was like y'all signing this Y'all never releasing this or there's gonna be a problem So then they try to tell other people in the industry not to work with me because I Because I'm a problem because I don't want to be called a nigger by my co-st, coast though. But if she's a white woman, she holds more power than you in the industry because white women are kind of the golden geese, fiscally speaking, for a lot of these production companies, right? So I want to challenge that, Roy, the perception, right, is that white women are the golden, the geese, they, and I

think that that's where it's the reflection of society in the industry, but when you look at what the top selling genre is, it's interracial. You cannot have, you know, a white woman alone is not making the top dollar. When you look at the top searches, it's interracial, hentai, milf, right? So there are certain subsets of the people that are participating in the industry that actually are the clickbait. They are, you know, so this idea that, you that, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, you know, you know, you know, you know, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you are, you are, you are, you are, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the industry that actually are the click bait. They are, you know, so this idea that, you know, white women have specific power in the industry, it's more of a reflection of our larger society and how we see them as, you know, without fault, to be protected, to be held in this prize position.

But if we look at the bottom line, they need to sleep with someone other than themselves to bring in the highest number of clicks, advertisements, and money. What is the dynamic on set, though, like, if you write in cease and desist on the back of a napkin on set, what is the HR situation in that? Okay, like, let me break it down. Because all I know is like is like acting on a set. And there was some time years ago, I played an extra, I played a slave in the background of a civil war reenactment. This is like 97. This is my first ever television credit. And we're all dressed like slaves and it's, you know, showing Union soldiers walked by and the director comes over and goes, you know, Could you guys mime like like like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, is like, is like, is like, is like, is like, is like, is like, is like, is like, is th. It th. It th. It th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. walked by and the director comes over and goes, you know, could you guys mime like you're clapping? Like he wanted us basically to be doing like some humming and singing around the fire.

It's like, hmm, hmm, like singing slave hymnails. And we all kind of looked at each other. It was like, you know, I just kind of want to, I'm already dressed like a slave, my man. Just let me just sit here and just chill. How much do you get to challenge when they try to add a little, they try to, like, you agree to one thing and then you get on set and they try and flip the script, king, like has ever been a scenario where they try to come in and sprinkle a little race, you mind, king, I love what you're doing. Put a little racism on top of it real quick. Let's do it again. I mean, those are the times when you have to make a business decision. Where it's like, am I comfortable with this?

Am I walking offset? Am I going to deal with whatever backlash is going to follow? Have you walked off set? I have definitely walked off set. I have had, that's what I said, I've dealt with so many, it's sometimes it be that type of racism where it's like, I have a lot of black friends. I grew up with black friends. Like just just recently I had this thing where he was, this is the director. This isn't like another before, this is the director. The first time I ever went into somebody's

house and it smelled like chitlins. What does that have have that have to do with anything that we're doing right now? You know what I'm saying? We haven't smelled chitlins in a house. I don't eat pork, you know what I'm saying? So, but it's like stuff like that. And it did wind up having to, it led to a conversation that I was like, hmm, I might never work for this company again, but I need to have this conversation in a way that's not gonna completely make them be like, you know, angry black man, but they gotta stop.

And it had kind of led to this thing where I can't go. He was talking about Atlanta, like some neighborhood. He was like, you know, white people go to? Y'all own stuff. You got to go, you got to go to the hood to collect your rent, or there's a Burger King there, or there's whatever. You know what I'm saying? There's no place in America that you can't go. But I know if I'm Amma Aubrey and I'm running through a neighborhood, I know I can't be there. I can't go to Benson-B Benson the Benson Benson Benson Benson Benson Benson Benson Benson Benson Benson Benson Benson Benson Benson Benson Benson Benson Benson Benson Benson Benson Benson Benson Benson Benson Benson Benson Benson Benson Benson to sun sun sun sun sun sun sun sun sun sun sun sun sun sun sun to sundown towns. That's that's our reality. That's not your reality. But it's shaped that way. So I had to have this conversation on set with the director. And I knew like and at this point it's just like I'm not in the mood to f. After this I am I know like, I'm like, look, it's not oh yeah also there's not going to happen to shoot. Exactly. It's not going to happen to tod. And to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to that. that. that. that. that. that. that. the the that. that. that. the that. the the their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. the. the. th. th. th. to. to. to. to. tod. to. to. I. I. I. I. I'm. I. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. the. I'm scene to shoot. Exactly. It's not going to happen today. And trying to explain that, like,

you sometimes will have to, it's not gonna happen for me. And you don't always have to, sometimes you're gonna have to put it like, I can't work with you, but sometimes you just gotta, you gotta take that L. And that's a tough the the the the the the tough tough tough tou tou tou tou tou, tou, tou, tou, tou, tou, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, th. that, that, that, thi, th. th. th. th. to, to, to, to, to, to, to, th. to, th. th. to, th. to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, thi. It's, the. It's, they's, they's, they's, they're, they're, thi. thi. thi. thi. It's, thi. It's, th. It's a tough part about our industry because there isn't an HR department that I could say, hey, you know, who are you going to go to with most of these companies? These are their own companies or these directors are also the heads and owners of their company. Is there a union, pardon me, if this is an ignorant question, but is there like an actor's union for adult entertainers?

To, there are some organizations, there's the free free free free free works to uphold some forms of advocacy for performers and there's also a guild. But it's very, very loose. I mean, part of the issue is that the porn industry is stigmatized from the rest of the workforce. I mean, we literally have a hashtag that sex work is work, right? The only time that we're really recognized as being a part, a fiscal part of the society is taxes. That's the only time, you know, is that what goes into our bank and what comes out for taxes, but trying to uphold like a discrimination suit, sexual harassment and those type of things. Think about where would what what what what what what what what what what what what what w. What their, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, th. th. th. th. th. their, their, th. their, their, their, th. th. thea, thea, thea, thea, thea, thea, thea, thea, thea, thea, thea, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thea, thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. the. the. the. the. trying to uphold like a discrimination suit, sexual harassment and those type of things, think about what court are we bringing that to that also validates that what we're doing is work, that what we're doing is consensual, that what we're doing is moral.

Just sort of thinking about the pandemic that we are, that we're still in, I know everyone else is out of it, but the, there were the PPP loans that came out for people who had businesses, were trying to keep their employees working. We have a full production company that we wanted to sustain over the pandemic and keep people working, but the morality clause, there's literally a morality clause in these loans that although we are taxpaying, legally producing content, paying our taxes, that although we are tax paying, legally producing, producing content, paying our taxes, etc., etc., we don't fall into the requirements. And so, you know, because the structures that are supposed to be able to support us with

taking, whether these are claims up for discrimination, hell, hate crimes if you will, right, being called a nigger on set, sexual harassment, any type of harassment, or the financial discrimination that I talked about where my co-stars are getting paid more for the same work if not less than what I'm doing. It's really difficult, it's even difficult to find a sex worker-friendly attorney that'll take up your clause. So we're really off, it's like a marginalized industry with marginalized people within that industry.

It's like we're in the margins of the margin. Mm-hmm. Stacy, we, I know within the piece, we talked a little bit about, you know, how the porn industry perpetuates racist stereotypes, you know, in the present. The thing that I hated was that we really weren't able to get deeper into the history of porn, you know, in terms of the roots of the racism and all of the other different, talked to me a little bit about some of the pieces and parts that that we wish we would have had space for the record I pitched porn part

too but then Trump got elected and you know we had we had different priorities within the building. I mean I remember initially reading a pitch about it being like we wanted to make this like the civil rights movement of the porn industry making you like the Martin Luther King of it and trying to you were trying to like you were trying to like camp you were try to inspire white women to sleep with black men to you know and that stigma. You know and that stigma. You were everybody. You were. You were. You were. You were to the their. You were everybody. You were everybody. You were everybody. You were everybody. You were like. You were like. You were like. You were like. You were like. You were like. You were like. You were like. You were their. You were to. to to to to to to to that. I. I the that. I that. I that. I to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their. I I. I. I their. I that. I their. I their. I their their their their their their their their their their that. I that. I that. I that. I th. I that. I that. I the. I that. I that. I the. I thi. I the. I thi. I the. Roy. Wish your dream. Yeah. I think he was like try to inspire white women to sleep with black men to, you know, end that stigma. But with everybody though, because that was the, oh, you just brought it up.

Wait, there was also a hashtag. This is but I think there was like a hashtag black people. I you like me, you love good pornography. But there's a problem. Black people are constantly being portrayed as criminals and sexual predators. The porn companies aren't doing anything to change it. So I am. For a limited time only, see black people getting portrayed positively in my new porn series, affirmative actions, starring me, Goodwood Jr.

I'm horny. I'm busy. Iwood Jr. I'm horny. I'm busy. I run a Fortune 500 company. I did not have time to come home and just bang you repeatedly. We only had time to focus on black discrimination, but then there's also the issue of Asians, you know, being presented as... Submissive. Yeah, and just, oh, I'm so quiet and Islamophobia being a big part of it.

And then, oh, you're not light skin black, you're Latino, pretend to be a Mexican. So this idea. That happens to me all the time. They be like, can you play Puerto Rican. What does that mean? They just throw ethnicity on you. They'd be like, can you play Puerto Rican? What does that mean? Like, how do you? Ethnicities on you?

I'll be like, oh, Puerto Ricans are black too. They just were colonized by a different language. What do you want me to do? And then they get scared. Do you have sex differently? Do you talk with a accent? Hola, chica. I am here. Like, that's a terrible Puerto Rican. Please don't cancel my head back. Stop playing, stop playing Puerto Rican.

You're doing it. We can't even, so for example, I'm Filipino and Panamanian. Oh my god, me too. Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt on Filipino. Hey, Pinoy Power. So, but you would be casted as Filipino. And neither am I. You know, I, and I'm fine, like I know I'm a black Filipino and a black Panamanian, but when people ask me like,

you know, what should we put here? And then when it comes out, it's still like black lady. Black lady. You know. Can I, I'm so sorry, this has been like lingering over my mind. King, when you were talking about that offensive woman, whatever her name is, I don't remember, we don't have to name her. How the hell do you perform with someone after they throw all these offensive racist remarks at you? How do you perform with them on camera after that?

I don't, I don't personally. For me, like I said, with that particular, with that, with that, with that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to be, to be, to me, to be, to be, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, toe, toe, toe, toe.e.e.e.e.s.s.e.e.s.e.e.e.e. toe.e. toe. toe. toe. that particular situation, they had to remove her from the follow-up shoots. But the, and it's funny you mentioned Puerto Rican, because when we, I was shooting the rest of the scene, like another part of this, of this film with two other performers, one who was there for when she said, well, when the whole thing happened, and the other who they brought in to replace her. And then the director yells cut, and then one of the women said, why did you get mad?

I thought you were Puerto Rican. Oh, oh, my God. And that, and that was the end of my working period. Like, like, literally in the middle of, to replace, of of, the, the, the, the, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I that was the end of my working Period like like literally in the middle of I was like I'm done I'm done. I can't do this no more and the craziest siah? So I had to get out of Iowa So I had to get out of Iowa Oh God and it was in Iowa after this after this racist situation

And there's nobody to connect with in Iowa after you go through some racist shit. You can't just talk to the brother next to you because he ain't there. Let me find out they got some porn studios in Iowa, man, I've been going to go into the wrong side. It's like, in those kind of situations where I said, like, you're gonna have to make to to to're going to have to make a not only a business decision, but there's a certain decision that you have to make for your own humanity. And it's like, nah, y'all gonna have to pay me to kill fee for this shoot because this isn't, this isn't

appropriate. This is a bad situation. I'm, y'all don't deserve my dick no more. I gotta go. Bring you home. That's what I tell I that I that I that I that I that I to to to to to to to to to to the to to to the to to to to the to to the to to the to to the to to to to to to to to to to to the the their the to to to the the thiole their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the. the. the. te. te. teck. teck. teck. teck. teck. teck. teck. teck. te. te. te. te. toe. to what I tell women too. I'm not talking. After the break, I want to get a little bit more into the work that you all are doing at Royal Fetish Films and how you all are helping to solve this problem. And we need to talk a little bit about your boy Marty Klein, Stacey, who was in the segment. Don't say he's my boy. That's not my boy. Yeah. Well, you're the one one one one one one one one the one the one the one the one the one the one the one the one the one the one the one the one the one the one th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thin. thi. that's. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I's. I th. I's. I'll. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'll. I want. I want. I want. I want. I want. I want. I want. I want. to. to. to. to I didn't want to interview my client. Okay. Talking about it's not racism if you don't want to watch black people on camera having said whatever Marty we'll get into that after the break. This is beyond the scenes we'll be right back. Beyond the scenes we are talking about racism and porn a little segment that I did back in 2016 shot some of the interviews out there. I didn't know that they like that that that that that that the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the p. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. threat. tha. tha. tha. thea. tha. tha. the. the. the. the shot some of the interviews out there. I didn't know this, King and Jasmine. I didn't know that they like, that the point industry, y'all rent out a nice big six-bedroom house.

Each bedroom is a different universe of a set. And there's just multiple adult films being shot concurrently all in one house. And I was like, wow, this is a bit, that was like, the most, thihea. thihea. thi. thi. thinininininin. thin. thin. thin. thin. thin. thin. thin. thin. thin. thin. thin. thin. th. th. th. th. th. th. thin. thin. I, that I, that I, that I, that I, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, the point, the point. I, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. th. the. th. that's, that's like the most shocking thing like because I don't know why just growing up watching porn I just always thought that was somebody's real house like the concept of a film set did not register with me I thought they were just shooting at somebody's crib actually me too that's good that's good that we're into the fantasy that movie magic right there you know yeah I was like that look like that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that th that tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho that's tho that's tho that's that's that fantasy. That's the movie magic right there. Yeah. I was like, that look like a roach on the wall.

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But let's talk about royal fetish films and the work that you all are hoping to accomplish with that company because, you know, the first thing I want to do, let's set the table and just talk about the history of discrimination discrimination discrimination discrimination discrimination discrimination discrimination discrimination discrimination discrimination discrimination discrimination discrimination discrimination discrimination discrimination discrimination discrimination discrimination discrimination discrimination, the first thing I want to do, let's set the table and just talk about the history of discrimination and racism and porn and white women saying they make less money if they have sex with a black person and what it is exactly you all are trying to undo with your film company. So, I think a lot of times people like to compartmentalize whatever industry it is, whether it's porn or music or Hollywood film, whatever it is, and think that the racism that exists within it is somehow specific to just that industry, but it always goes back to the same shit. You know, America is born, rooted, and grew up on racism. You know, America's number one industry was our ancestors here.

You know, like just running through the numbers of our worth, our ancestors' worth, being worth more than the country and the currency of this country, going back to the 1800s, right? But the important part to think about with the stereotypes that we see in porn is that those stereotypes were born and how they sold us, how they purchased us, and the fact that, for example, like in Virginia and Maryland, their number one export, if you will, and crop was our ancestors, was black folk, and they had breeding plantations. So like a lot of times people talk about tobacco, rice, and cotton, but America also had breeding plantations that they sold our ancestors on and they had specific ways that they did it.

So like, for example, black men were a lot of times specifically purchased by the size of our penis. Because whatever these racist slave owners back in the day, they were, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were like, they were like, they were like, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, they, they, thi, thi, their, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their, their, their, their, their, their, whatever these racist slave owners back in the day, they were like, oh, he'll probably make more babies because his penis is bigger or whatever the fuck they thought. On some horse stallion type shit. Exactly. Exactly. And, you know, so that is one stereotype that we see to this day,

because if you look at just percentages across the planet, man, dick's range. There's big and small of all races, but the perception of black men's penis is being larger is because for however long these white men just sat there with black men on a stage looking at us but naked and trying to select our dick size, the shit has been imprinted on their brain because that's what they look for in us. It's also what they fear in us because they have raped so many black women, black men, and black children over this time. You know, when you look at just the history of film and the history of entertainment, a nation. You know, and birth of a nation was all about the Ku Klux Klan stopping black men from raping white women.

Mandingo was all about a slave owner who goes on a trip and was afraid that the mistress of the house was going to sleep with his slave mandingo because he had been raping all these black women on the plantation. And this is American popular culture. First popular culture and music was minstrel music, black, white people in black face imitating us. So all of this stuff culminates in porn because these fantasies have been stuck in their head for hundreds of years. So now they get to put out 12 inches of slave as a thing for just like had you mentioned for 12 years of slave, or this, this fear of any kind of movement

that we have in a positive direction, where you saw like that film that was called Black Wives Matter. These feelings and perceptions, yeah, they're rooted in all of these fears and racist ideas that they've had of us for years and years. And if you look at a lot of the stereotypes of black people, they are also based on what they did to us on., the the the the the th th th th th that they've had of us for years and years. And if you look at a lot of the stereotypes of black people, they are also based on what they did to us on the plantation and kind of how they manifest themselves in the world today.

So, I think something that's really important when you said, like, what are we doing to fix this? Hopefully, the work that we do, I hope that changes the industry. But so much more important to us is helping us realize our range of sex and sexuality, and I say our black and brown people, who also are terribly impacted by these stereotypes, not just from like, oh, I can't find anything to watch in porn, but I don't have any reflection of what I'm supposed to be like sexually. You know, we talk about folks that are on some of these sets and can't walk off, that they don't have, you know, the means to be able to make that type of financial decision, how that leaves their psyche. We deserve to be a part of this industry just like anyone else. If this is how we would like to monetize our body, some people want to type for a living,

some people want to, you know, play sports, act, what have you. We choose to have sex and to do sexual acts for a living. We deserve to be in this industry without harm. We want our population to be able to type in, you know, black couples and romance, BDSmkismsm k kinky, and kinky, and to, and to, and to, and to, and to, and to, and to, and thi. And, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and to, and to be, and to be, we, we, we, we, we, and thi. We, we, we, we, we to be, we, we, we to be, we, we, we, we, we, we, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to to to to to to to be, thi. We, thi. We, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the, theate, theateate, to be thi, to be to be thi, thi, thi, to be thi,type in, you know, black couples in romance, BDSM, Kinky, black and kinky, and see something where they are not the fetish, that there is an actual act of kink, fetish of sex that doesn't have to be degrading, that doesn't fall into these racist tropes, that allows us to see other types of bodies interacting with each other, people from different walks of life, you know, just so many different expressions that unfortunately we don't see. The other work that we're doing at Royal Fetish Films are we are sticking it to these larger,

larger companies. We're going on their pages and we are consulting with them and letting them, helping them understand that if you can't see it for yourself, see it for your bottom line. Your search engines, all your algorithms show that people want to see us in film. And when I look at your site and you point me to your premium content or your front page, all I see are white women that are of a certain size and appear to be of a certain age, a younger age. And that is, that's a mismatch. You're not even marketing to your consumers. You're not marketing to what people are looking for. We're challenging them to see the

black dollar in the adult industry. It's important for us to help our people be represented to see themselves. Because the way that you,. It's important for us to help our people be represented to see themselves. Because the way that you, what you see important, we know that it's a primary source of sex education because there is no sex education in this country. So, you know, if people are gonna learn there, I wanna make sure that my interactions, my sexual interactions aren't based on somebody's terrible education that

they got from, you know, the front page of one of these tube sites. If people are going to learn that this is how I have sex, like it's important in our films where we are showing people are having conversation about what kind of sex actually want to participate, that you have autonomy of your body, that you, you know, can be bound and suspended and checked on and showing that on camera and showing that as part of the scene. Yep. Yeah. And not consent and intimacy and closeness and conversation yes through the actual process of intercourse. I mean our shit ranges from sapiose all the way to like hardcore BDSM and everything in between because black sexuality is all of that and there was so many times people that that that that that that's that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's showing showing showing showing showing showing showing showing showing showing showing that's showing showing showing that's showing showing that's showing that's showing showing that's showing that's showing showing that's showing showing showing that's showing showing that that that's showing showing that's showing that's showing that's showing that's that's showing that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's the the the the the the the the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their s. thoing their ss their ssoing that's in between because black sexuality is all of that.

And there was so many times people would say stuff to us like that's some white people's shit and we would challenge that and like no it's not you really think people only started this way within the last three four hundred years? No, are people that have been spanking each other on the ass for thousands of years? You know, you know what I'm saying? Open your mind, you know? So that's what like really got us into like how could we decolonize these ideas and and open up our people's minds and do it in a beautiful way because sometimes when you look at mainstream porn, it'd be looking like they don't even give mom shit, some coconut oil to not the to'c, the to'c, the to their to'n't the their their their their their to noth.o'n't, their their their their their their their their their theirn't, theirn't, theirn't, theirnighk, theirnighk, their, their, their, theirn't, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, theirnigh...o-colionioninininininnip.o-colion, theirn'te, theirn'te.e, theirn'te.e.e, theirn'te. Soe. theirn'te. theirn't theirn't ttthea'ecklipe, the. thea'n't theirn't theirn't theirn't theirn't theirn't theirn't theirn'te, theirn'te how to make our bodies look good anyway. You know what I'm saying? From the lighting to coconut oil, the wigs, the makeup, you know, all of it. And having things that reflect our culture,

like music that you actually want to f-to, playing in the background, instead of whatever it sounds like, you know, from back in the day. We try to make everything that reflects tha tha tha the thi thi thi thi thi that thi that that thi thi thi that that that thi that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that the, the, the, the, the, the, theee, thean., thean., thean. theean. theean. thean. theean. thean. and who we are. Stacy, I guess the challenge we have is trying to figure out a way to make everything they just said funny. Like, how do you, how do you dig and navigate the seriousness of this topic and still find room for humor other than getting me to talk to Dr. Marty Klein in the segment, who said if I, and I'm I'm gonna paraphrase, but he basically said if you're into some ghetto-ass porn, it doesn't mean you're racist. It's a fetish. That's just what you're into. It's not that big of a deal.

I think that anybody who reads racism into pornography, they're just prejudiced about certain kinds of sexual fantasies. These are real titles. Oh my God, a black man banged my daughter in the ass. Black bull for hire, King Kong's ding dong. It's a fantasy. It's easy to find humor in something with such an outrageous counterpoint of view, but like what were some of the other ways that you were able to find humor? Man, working with you helps. You're very good at making depressing subject matters funny, which is a gift, and but he, I think when people are stupid and say, you know, terrible things,

I think it's taking their logic and flipping it on them. So I think you did a good job of that when he was like, it's just a fantasy like tha tha tha th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I the th. I th. I the th. the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thin. th. to to to to t. I tee. I tee. I tip. I tip. I th. I th. I th. I thi. I th. I th. I th. I think you did a good job of that when he was like, it's just a fantasy, like Star Wars or whatever, and you're like, okay, so let me get this straight. If I saw a white woman, and I said, Hey, you crack a bitch, you got some big ass breasts. Woman, squeeze them. That would be racist. Yes. But if I had an erection while I said it to that. That's fantasy? It's a fantasy. It's like Star Wars. Porn is like Star Wars. It's not real.

When he says those words that he wrote they're like, he sounds... So I think one way to find the humor is just like these people that are so narrow-minded, taking their logic and taking it to the absurd extreme and, you know, flipping it. To that point, Jasmine and King then, to Dr. Marty Klein, it's just fantasy. When do these fantasies cross a line? Like, how, like, is it about being tactful in showing only white, like, if I only want my white woman with white men, but also do we like, like, you know, like on YouTube? After you watch three videos,

you gotta watch a 15 second pop up. Do we show them 15 seconds of interracial? I think, before they go back to their own way. I think, I think one of the things is like, if you just think about it, if you went to the daily show and was like, I don't want to work with any Chinese any any any any any any Chinese any any any Chinese any any Chinese any you would not have a job tomorrow. No. You know what I'm saying? But in porn, people say, I'm not working with any black people and that might not even just mean fucking someone on camera. That could be, there's no black director or black key grip or whatever,

you know what I'm saying? So that's one thing. And then also as like, you know, have you ever heard the term Queen of Spades? No, no, no, th. th. th. th. their th. th. their their th. th. their their th. their th. their th. their their thing and then also as like, you know, have you ever heard the term queen of spades? No, no, later on time. So queen of spades is some racist as shit, but it's white women who will only sleep with black men. And a lot of them they get this tattoo of a cue with a spade. And anytime you see the letter Q by itself, it's usually a problem. So. Yeah, you know, it took the goddamn alphabet and shit it up. But, but so, but so. Why get the tattoo?

Because it's, it's kind of like this, this whole, like a branding. It's like a blaze-live's matter shirt, but like, it's more like a white lives matter shirt in a way because, you know, if someone called the, if someone, if someone, if someone, if someone, if someone, if someone, if someone, if someone, if someone, if someone, if someone, if someone, if someone, if someone, if someone, if someone, if someone, if someone, if someone, if someone, if someone, if someone, if someone, if someone, if someone, if someone, if a way because you know if someone call if someone walk up to me or call me a spade in the street we fight you know I'm saying like spade has been it's a racist term so basically it's like I'm a queen of spades so it kind of goes back to that history that I'm talking about from the plantation because a lot of times people only talk about overseers and slave masters, raping slaves. Mistresses did the same thing. You know, so it's rooted in that same thing. Like, these black men serve my pleasure. That's it. None of the black men that they work with

are they talking about his intellect, his creativity, his love for fine arts, it's literally he is here to pleasure me and that's all the purpose that he serves. And then going back to the Klein thing, it's like when you, if you have a fantasy that is rooted in something that in the world, is taking people's lives, it's problematic. I like to use people's fantasies as a way of helping them understand, like, things, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, th, like, thi, thi, like, thi, like, thi, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like thi, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. I like to use people's fantasies as a way of helping them understand like things outside of their fantasies, right? So when I'm working with therapists on how to use porn and practice, it's like, what does

the porn that you watch? What does it say about you? How do you feel when you watch it? does it, you know, if you're only watching this particular style, why is that? What is it telling you or informing you about those people if it's like a specific type of people that you watch? You know, is it an attraction? What are you attracted to? Are you fetishizing the person? Are you letting out an aggression towards that person during that time? Is it because you're curious? And, and then helping them them them them them them them them them them them them them them them them them them them them them them them them them them them them them them thema their their their that time? Is it because you're curious? And then helping them explore, what would that fantasy look like outside of the fantasy? Is there someone at work that you never speak to, but you just go home and like, you know, Google, I don't know, the janitor

or something along those lines? What would that interaction be like, can you interact with someone in a way that is not hyper-sexualized or fetishized, or is your only connection, like King said, through these stereotypes? So, you know, there is, when people are sharing, if they're willing to share, about their racist, sexual fantasies, I know we can be so quick to just want to shut them off and call them racist, and that would be true and that is okay. But if you do have like the capacity to go a little bit further, it's to help them become curious about why that is and how that is really shaping their ideas about these people in reality. Well, you said that janitor thing and maybe think of this one site, it's like a mental institution. And the men play doctors and the women the women the women the women the women the women th. th the women th. th. It th. It th. It th. It th. It th. It th. It's th. It's th. It's to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. to to to to to to the. to to to's like a mental institution. And the men play doctors and the women are patients, right?

And so I had got booked for this site. And so like I go on their Twitter the day before, and they're like shopping for the scene. And they're getting stuff from like Home Depot. They're getting like, you know, like the big yellow mop tub and stuff like that and mops and shit. And so I hit my agent. I'm like, can you ask them what role they have me playing in this?

And then so they were like, you're going to be the janitor. What? What? black men on their site and they were like, nah, you're going to play the janitor. Why can't you be a doctor that also has sex with the patients unethically? Well after the break we're going to bring it home and ask a single question, who else can help y'all make the change and who is responsible for helping y'all clean up this racism and porn. This has been a good discussion thus far. Let me do a little research in the second tab while we go to this break.

This is Beyond the Scenes. We'll be right back. Beyond the scenes, this has been a wonderful conversation. I knew it would be serious, Stacy, but I just didn't know it would be so heavy and rich with just knowledge and just folks straightening this stuff out. Because you know Jasmine, as a therapist, like you have to approach this from a, like you can't, you don't have the ability to just yell at white people and white coming, go,

it's racist and y'all need to stop. You have to like get into the idiosyncratic aspects of the, well, the finances, it'll make more money. Did you know that your consumers would also enjoy, talk a little bit about that aspect of it, of trying to turn the corner with people who don't understand just how damaging and emotionally corrosive this is for everybody who's taken apart it. Right, so a couple of things. One is, I really want to give props to the Daily Show for doing that segment that was

probably risk gay, even though y'all tou toub toub toube a lot of controversial topics, you know, when it comes to porn that usually is an area that everybody can go. Like, you know, we all watch it, but we all pretend that we don't and that it's dirty, And I use the clip in our presentations when we're talking about decolonizing sex as well as educating therapists and medical providers on how they can communicate with you know with their clients and using adult entertainment. So you know, it's like using something that we know everybody watches the daily show and being like, see people are talking about it in mainstream and you know even they're able to make the connection. So of course you can at your higher level make this connection for your folks for to to to to to their their to their their to th. th. th. th. th. their th. th. th. th. their, thi. their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thi, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I, the. I, the. I, thi. I, thi. I's, their, thea.ea.ea.ea.ea.ea. I's, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, they're able to make the connection so of course you can at your higher level make this connection for your folks and also challenge your own attitudes and behaviors on sex specifically by what you watch and how that perpetuates in your work that you do but our work you know we

draw it out even beyond porn into sex work right because people who produce who perform in porn and produce porn are sex workers. And it's really important for us to normalize sex work. So when we are talking to, and we provide education to therapists, medical providers, even realtors, like how you, y'all are missing out on a population of folks that are looking for safe places to live and affordable,

you know, take their money. Take their money, but in order to take their money, they have to trust you, right? And you have to legitimize the work that we're doing and validate us and and a lot, not discriminate. So oftentimes I'm always coming at it from the perspective of like we are a huge population. There's someone in your their their their their the from the perspective of like we are a huge population, there's someone in your family that engages in sex work and if they don't they probably will looking at the projections of the economy right now right so go ahead and do something. It's a lot of people are only fans they all are pandemic older only fans shut up it show they showed in we need to go back on only fans. They all are. That pandemic hit, oh, the only fans, shut up.

It showed it. Big fans. We need to go back to the lockdown. They made money too. They're making bank on that only fans. I've seen them numbers. I said, man, let me go on get me some. their for you, Roy. There are coins for you too.

I heard Trevor Noah was leaving a daily show. I said, man, let me see what there's only fans talking about. No, really. So, you know, it's, it has been so important for us to normalize sex work, normalize porn, right? That you watch it and you should feel good about watching it. It's a form of entertainment just like everything else. When you, you know, you should be able to watch it with the sound on. You should be able to watch it without being offended. You should be able to find a reflection of yourself. And so really helping the consumer, like, take some charge of what they're consuming.

You don't have to just eat it because it's in front of you. There is a menu menu menu menu menu menu menu menu menu menu menu menu menu menu menu menu menu menu menu menu menu menu menu menu menu you, there is a menu that's out there. And we help them learn how to shop for it. So, you know, Royal Fetish XXX.com. Go check it, Royal Fetish XXX. tox. Go. Who is responsible for making effective change? You know, we've talked video that ain't even what the slug title says it is just because

they know to get someone to click on it and stay within the site so they'll augment the title of something that a production company made or is it the consumer? What responsibilities do the consumer? Like who was who could help? Who was the next person to join you? Like when Batman went and got Commissioner Gordon to help him clean up Gotham, who is the next person? Is it the consumer? Is it the production company? Is it the websites and the distributors? Like, I'll start with you, King. I think it's everybody, to be honest, but I think it's very important the work that we do to inform the consumer of how to purchase non-racist and ethically made porn.

So you know, if somebody doesn't know that they can go to royal fetish or doesn't know the other sites that they can go to where they can find content that is not only, you know, pro-everybody and non-racist, but also where they can go where they know that the performers are involved in acts that they enjoy, that they're not there on some, you know, desperation, then they'll make the right decision. It's like that scene with Elijah Muhammad tel and Malcolm X, if you choose between the dirty water and the clean water, people people might not want to think of porn as clean and dirty water, but there is... there is there is there is there is there is there is there is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is some their is some their is some their is some their is some their is some their is some their is some their their their water and the clean water, people going to choose the clean water. And people might not want to think of porn as clean and dirty water, but there is some porn with clean water out there that you can find that has all the things that you're

looking for that involve all your fantasies and show you different routes of pleasure, but you can do it in an ethical way. Yeah, it's all parties involved, everybody that is benefiting from porn. So the production companies need to stop being lazy, like fix the template. The scenes need to be more reflective of the people that are in them and the people that are watching them. The performers, I definitely feel like we have a responsibility to have some advocacy, some self-advocacy, and draw the picket line somewhere. You know, not everybody could jump off set, but you could try to negotiate. You can be up front with what you're comfortable with before having that little bit of racism sprinkled on you, right, like you mentioned. So go in, go into those situations already describing, you know, what your boundaries are. I think the consumers also need to follow the performers directly. And, you know, I say the easiest way for the consumers to engage what work that they could feel good

about is if the performer is promoting it, usually we're not going to promote something that didn't make us feel good on set or that we're not proud of or that we didn't have consent in the labeling of it. So, you know, if you're going to watch something, like get to know the performance, and this helps us also humanize the industry itself. It's like, oh, I like what King had to say, okay, go find his work, and look at what he's promoting and purchase that,

or watch those scenes, because more than likely we are going to again promote the things that we feel good about. And then finally I do think it is the advertisers. They're making money off of our backs but they're not willing to hear our demands. So it is really important that advertisers stop pouring money into sites that are acknowledged that this stuff is problematic and that it needs to be removed. So yeah, and if you see stuff like the same way you can, I think for consumers, I don't want to put so much responsibility when people are like anxious to have orgasm that they have to like stop and write a letter before they can engage in the work, right? But one of the things that you can do the way that we touch all forms of social media and content is like, don't like it, like report it, right?

Or just put a thumbs down and keep it moving if you have to. So it's a small way, but it lets people know that are putting the shit out that it's like, oh, this didn't do so well, something about it. Maybe I should take the racial slur out of it. You know what we need what we need, St need like a ethical ethical porn logo you know they got that recycle logo you know vegan oh yeah like the organic like yes yeah you didn't murder nobody to make this product and then you go see

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